368 thoughts on “If You Can’t Get Laid In The West, You Won’t Get Laid Abroad”

1. “Anyone who claims that “women are the same everywhere” is a virgin and a fool.”
   I’m in 100% agreement. Too many commenters here seem to have given up on women entirely because they don’t have the will, determination, testosterone, or motivation to improve their sex life in a meaningful way. While all women are genetically the same, and have the capability to destroy a foolish man, a Western man’s dating life can jump several levels by dating feminine foreign women who aren’t tattooed, argumentative, or addicted to Facebook. They’re not hard to find.
   I see a lot of men here have just given up on women entirely, and while I have sympathy for them, ROK is ultimately not a site for them. The whoremongers, the MGTOW’s, and those who are game denialists are not welcome here and their anti-game and anti-sex mentality warrants a permanent ban since many other sites cater to those types of views. While they complain about women, Matt and I will enjoy Asian or European women, approaching relationships with caution yet still enjoying intimacy with the opposite sex.

   1. Now I’m curious to see if the AWALT folks are going to argue this is pedestalizing foreign women as they usually do if someone else says something similar.

      1. Those idiots will never convince me that banging an americunt is better than a 100 lb girl, lol

         1. They’ll never convince me environment doesn’t shape behavior.

         2. Hold on, does that make you a “weight-ist”? Ooh, did I just coin a new term?
            Fat hater! lol

   2. “They’re not hard to find.”
      I agree with this; the challenge isn’t finding her, it’s keeping her that way for the long term. If you’re going out for a pump and dump, it’s pretty easy to find what, on the surface, appears to be a “good girl”. The problem for a lot of guys is that they get into a LTR and drop the game (because, let’s be honest, kicking game 24/7 to keep your wife interested/in line is a lot of work) and find their good girl turning into a argumentative Facebook addicted and FAT harpy.
      This is coming from someone who’s married and uses the principals explained here every day. Yes, it works. Yes, it’s a lot of work. But is it better to work hard at it (either in a relationship or to land new ass) than to sit around and bitch about it? IMHO, yes.
      The one thing I’d add.. No matter who you date/marry, for the love of everything holy, don’t get them pregnant (at least not in the US). I’m sure there are some guys out there who can maintain frame with women who have their children, but I don’t know any. Even the biggest PUA’s I know who had great married lives when if they settled down have seen it all turn to shit when a baby comes along. Presumptive child support payments are a fucking disaster for high income men; the wife can go online and figure out what she’ll make for the next 18 years if she walks. The temptation is too great for the females, they are given a shocking amount of power over another person and it will fuck your relationship up. Good luck being with your alpha when she knows that she’s got you for 3K a month for the next 18 years, no matter what she does!
      On the same angle, if you are going to get married to one of the good ones, make sure you get a pre-nup that states no alimony. You MUST, IMHO, keep the power in a relationship. Alpha and your PUA skills will only take you so far before your wife realizes that she has a loaded pistol pointed at your head (alimony/child support) that she can use whenever it suits her. No way to be alpha when someone’s shoving a pistol down your throat.

      1. But wait, why would you get married if you weren’t going to have children? Also, how will you convince your new wife that she is never going to have children as long as she is with you?
         Yes, it is true she has a loaded pistol. In my view, the best thing to do is put your forehead on the barrel and dare her to pull the trigger. Why? Because you are in a no-win situation. The situation is fucked but what can you do other than die without heirs?

         1. I got married because I like my wife. Same reason I dated her. Never wanted children; used lawyers to make our marriage as close to cohabitation as legally permissible. Of course, she wanted the wedding day, which didn’t matter to me one way or the other as long as I wasn’t going to have to pay for it 20 years from now in the form of alimony.
            I am going to die without direct heirs. I’m not at all upset by that, I’ll leave anything that’s left to other family members who will appreciate it (because it wasn’t expected) far more than my non-existent children would.
            My wife knows I don’t want children. But, if you remember my article on male birth control, there’s no need to actually talk to anyone about anything if you don’t want to. Your body, your choice. No convincing if there’s no sperm in the tank. 😉

         2. “I got married because I like my wife”
            If that was all the reason required to marry someone, the world would either be full of asocial curmudgeons, or one gigantic polyagamic playground…

         3. I don’t follow. You mean that people should not marry people they like? Or that’s not enough to marry someone?

         4. You married because otherwise she’d have cut the pussy supply. Just like most guys do.

      2. Good points.
         Quote: “I agree with this; the challenge isn’t finding her, it’s keeping her that way for the long term”
         All one need do is read Roosh’s article about how now a man has to be an entertaining clown just to get sex.

         1. Entertaining clown? Not if you simply adapt the “pay4play” approach.

         2. “Entertaining clown? Not if you simply adapt the “pay4play” approach.”
            That’s kinda my point; so called ‘game’ requires a man to bring himself down to the female’s level i.e. act like a clown retard, light his farts on fire etc and NOT let one second of silence go by otherwise he is voted off the island. Pay4play means you can relax and be yourself. And do not think for a moment that any woman whose been successfully gamed likes you any more than the pay4play gal does, she does not.

         3. May not like you, but can certainly appreciate and possibly respect your approach and frame.

         4. “May not like you, but can certainly appreciate and possibly respect your approach and frame”
            Women respect nothing and no one.

      3. Great points and advice. I would say that “gaming” doesn’t really have to be so hard on a consistent basis when you internalize it and entwine it with your core personality. After all, gaming is really just de-tuning your emotional responses to women (appearing indifferent), reducing your verbal communication (comes natural to most guys), increasing your confidence (fairly easily accomplished by getting fit and making more $$$), fucking really well (feels great to unleash the inner lion), and finding other areas of enjoyment so not to be too thirsty (lots of great hobbies — buy yourself a classic car or a Harley).

   3. Agreed. Even though i been critical of women it never stops me from getting laid. MGTOW and game denialist are just sour graping virgins if you ask me. MGTOW clam that they are rejecting women when in fact, women have already rejected them their entire lives. I would feel sorry for them if they weren’t constantly shoving their philosophy down everyone’s throat.

      1. Why do we still shame male virgins?
         I got laid when I was younger but it always felt odd. Like something was wrong with that culture. Whether you get laid or not is meaningless when you’re playing by female rules. Ultimately if you’re jumping through hoops and dancing like a clown to get laid it’s hardly even worth it.

         1. Nah you don’t have to play by female rules. Just fuck the bitch.

         2. I’m not. I’m just seeing it as it is. If they are heterosexual males then why would they reject all women? MGTOW seems like an excuse to avoid interacting with women because they don’t want to get hurt. It seems like insecurity to me.
            It is not “jumping through hoops” for christ sake. Just being a confident guy is more than enough to get laid.

      2. If being a beta chump can be looked at like a room in a house, and being a PUA another room, I would say that MGTOW is merely the hallway between them. If people are seeing MGTOW as a means within itself to no end, then there’s a problem. With MGTOW a fellow eventually has to ask the question “So I gone my own way. Now what?”
         To confuse MGTOW with what is more likely incel dogma is just as much an error as assuming all outlaws are alphas and law-abiding people are betas.

         1. So you can either go back to beta land or land booty? Third option… remain.

      3. I agree with both of you, except I don’t see how a MGTOW cannot still get laid? Why do they have to date them, rather than just lay them?
         I think the best of them don’t disagree with you hardly at all. More than likely, they just like you, don’t see the value to taking the risky plunge into false marital bliss.

   4. I see a lot of men here have just given up on women entirely…

      Many of these men think they are displaying strength when they utter “I don’t need a woman,” when in fact, they are showing the rest of us how weak they are.

      1. And inside they are saying, “I really do want (perhaps need) a woman.”
         Almost every heterosexual man wants the “V” from time to time. Whether it’s getting ass once every two months or once every week, I need “V” as a good recharger and break from my busy life.

         1. True. You are only really free of something once you know you can get it if you want. Then you are free to take it or leave it.

      2. Just a bunch of sour grapes.

      3. If a man thinks he “needs” a woman he’s already making a mistake. Is that not one of the rules of game, to avoid “needing”? And if you “need”, it’ll show on you as if you got splashed with “need paint”.

         1. You miss the point…. screaming “you don’t need a woman” is the equivalent of an Americunt screaming “I don’t need a man”…. at it’s core both are protesting way too much.

         2. Well put and saved me the trouble.

         3. No. I’ve been in this a long time. Women get championed for not needing a man. Men get shamed for not needing a woman. This is step one of the system built around beta-ization.
            Either way, whether a voracious PUA or a beta chump “doing anything” to get laid, if you foster a mentality of needing it, you are still a slave.
            You see when the feminists try to shame men, then I know it’s a good thing and not being in need of pussy gets shamed because as was said here once “no man can be harmed when he has options”. And if that option is not “needing” the pussy to such extent that a fellow has to put up with crap just to get it, that pulls the rug right out from under a huge power factor of the enemy (their perversion of biological drive to manipulate people).
            You might LIKE the pussy. You might like the woman who pilots it too. That’s your thing. But if it makes you feel more manly to scream about people screaming and insist against something that is tried and true because maybe too much time and ego went into one way of thinking, then that not only your thing, but your problem too.
            No man should need a woman because to need a woman is to not operate on his terms. The desire to have sex should be to full his needs and have fun. The minute “they” have you thinking you need something is the point where they have you.
            The entire crap system around feminists and the destruction of women was all based on them convincing women they don’t need dick (when in fact women want dick more than men want the pussy – perversion of nature I said) and then call that empowerment when in fact men are capable of this kind of empowerment all along but had it indoctrinated out of them by a complicit media system. And if a fellow can’t get laid for lack of prowess, the system is in place to make him even more fearful that he’ll wake up gay or something and that makes him more “needy” and in the end you have a fellow at the beck and call of a 30 something “ex” slut who is having her cake and eating it too (and lots of it via fatocalypse during that first pregnancy).
            I know what I’m talking about and have practiced it for over 20 years. When I say a man should never need a woman this is not incel/MGTOW stuff. “Need” will emanate from you like body odor. I suspect at times there’s a pheromone involved.

         4. What?
            You continue to talk at us rather than communicating with me or englishbob.
            The typical feminist shaming of males is “You can’t get laid” ie no woman would want you for sex.Needing women as it relates to sex” is not referenced at all.
            When society references men needing women it relates to “LTR’s /Marriage. Because that’s what used up whores want. Suckers to commit to them.That’s where the shaming comes in.

         5. You are way off. The “can’t get laid” shaming is not the weapon. It’s the way of using the damage they already put in place indirectly through corruption of entertainment and media.
            So what it looks like you are getting at is the system puts together a notion that sex can only come of needing a woman just because she has the pussy? Are you saying there is a difference between needing the pussy and needing a woman?
            Of course we’d be stuck with one and not the other unless .. fleshlights… which should come with a gun for the user to shoot himself with when he’s done.
            Still, if you don’t need the woman but need the pussy, and they are the only ones in possession of pussy (unless you want to get freaky and I don’t want to know) , “need” is still going to derail you.
            Once in Denmark I was feeling low and a friend of mine, a PUA before the term even existed told me “Just stop giving a fuck and you’ll be fucking. Trust me.”.
            So I did that and… tried to get two girls at once and failed but got one of two and fucked her five times that one night. Even pulled a muscle.
            Europe was a poosy paradise back in the 90s though I hear it’s a mess now. US export of cuntery I guess. But back then, we did have a few fellows in our unit who were so uptight about “getting laid” it was their undoing. They were not looking for women or LTRs either. It was sad and pathetic. We tried to help them.

         6. Great comment.

         7. There is absolutely a difference between “pussy” and “women”. This is exactly why feminism has coined the term “objectification”. People that a discarded/replaceable are not needed and feminists realize that to their slutty core.
            Do you not understand the different between pumping anddumping and a compulsion for pussy as if you were a vagina junky?

         8. Women do need men. Men saying they don’t need women is accurate.
            But I agree with your point and have observed it in mgtow.
            If u are mgtow, no need to announce it. What do u want approval?

         9. “I suspect at times there’s a pheromone involved.”
            Now that is a hypothesis… I like hypotheses… That actually shouldn’t be too difficult to test actually.

      4. Kind of like feminists, only with different genitalia.

      5. “Needing” anything beyond air, water, and food is for the weak minded. Why relinquish your power to someone else by “needing” their validation (regardless of gender)?

      6. One of the worst things about the manosphere is its idealization of men and the demonization of women. That’s basically what most of us would deem as “woman logic”. Examples: “All men are the same”.
         By simple logic, if all women are the same, as some red-pilled men say, then all men are the same. There are no good or bad men. No betas, no “alphas”. The women are also all the same. There are no sluts, there are no keepers. They’re all the same.
         Ridiculous.
         By the way, what’s with the yellow fever? Am I the only one disgusted by those sub 5’s in the pictures above? It’s been shown by scientifical studies that women with caucasoid skulls and features are the most attractive.

         1. You’d fuck the one in the middle especially since she’s not a pia

      7. I need women for their bodies, and I always get what I need.

   5. “Too many commenters here seem to have given up on women entirely because they don’t have the will, determination, testosterone, or motivation to improve their sex life in a meaningful way.”
      Roosh, do you think a man’s sex life – or lack thereof – defines him?

      1. Yes. LOL

      2. If you can’t fuck hot girls you’re a biologically unfit individual.

         1. To the sperm bank!!!

         2. If you feel a constant need to advertise your “sexual
            prowess”, you are probably a failure with women.

         3. Hey, I’ll leave the statistics work to you Carl. Keep up the good work.

   6. Are we not allowed to complain about western women anymore ? If thats the case I suggest that you post less articles that (rightfully so, I might add) hate on them.

   7. MGTOWs are pussies who can’t get laid, neck-bearded rednecks who live in their mom’s basement. Virgins who are afraid of today’s strong, independent and empowered women

      1. Yeah but, you should see how I fixed up my mothers basement though.

      2. You sound like a feminist troll…

   8. You’re right Roosh, I’m mentally ill, and I’m ok with that. I’m a loose fucking cannon and Real Men (TM) piss me the fuck off. Reality is what you make it, and I’m not meant to play in the current reality, so instead of improving myself, I’ll destroy it. i’ll make a new reality out of the ashes, in my own image. After all war, doesn’t decide whom is correct, only whom is left. This culture damaged my brain beyond recognition and now it is my turn to return the favor. If you don’t like that, send some help my way in the form of a fist to the face, otherwise shut the fuck up and stop being so fucking insecure about your source of revenue.
      You helped open pandora’s box, and it’s going to take a lot of fucking work to close it.

      1. Whoa!
         I’d say everybody was a little loose in the attic but to quote a used up meme “The problem is not the problem. The problem is your attitude about the problem”.
         As for destroying civilization – good luck on that. You’ve been beaten to it. There are only lights and running water now because of inertia. But please do not fall into the trap of thinking that a collapse will mean women will flock to you (I call this the beta prepper wet dream) for protection and food if you have it. A collapse based on a pandemic or meteor/volcano incident maybe if you started off with normal people.
         But that’s clearly not the case.
         Go have a good dark beer and lighten up. If you think you are crazy or damaged, it means you are not crazy nor as damaged as you might think you are.

   9. I get your point, Roosh, but there’s absolutely nothing wrong with whore-mongering in principle, and insinuating that people who “pay” for sexual gratification should be banned from this site is ridiculous. The old adage, “sex is never free” is truer now than ever before, so what exactly is wrong with paying $50 for good sex in a foreign country with a totally compliant female that you really dig? Is it better or more fun or more economical to spend 5 hours bar hopping, jumping through various hoops, struggling with language / cultural barriers, buying drinks and food in order to bang a foreign 6 or 7 for “free”? Come on guy, get off your high horse.
      Personally, I do both — game civilians and pay for pros — and it’s great to mix and match depending on logistics, your mood, your budget and a host of other factors. Both strategies can be fun and challenging — especially gaming a pro such that you don’t have to pay for it — now that’s great stuff when you can pull that off! However, I too was once “morally” against paying pros, but I quickly got over it when I began to see the simplicity / practicality / pleasure / beauty of it, and I would strongly recommend it to all “geeks” who can’t get laid in their own countries, because it can quickly give them confidence and other qualities that will help them game civilians in any country — kind of a “fake it ’til you make it” situation. My main point is: sex is never free (in terms of money / time / logistics / travel / emotional torment, etc) and sometimes it makes much more sense to simply fork over the cash to a gorgeous willing pro who has some bedroom skills. I see this as pretty common sense and obvious now, but didn’t always…

      1. I paid for sex once and I realized how incredibly efficient and smart it is. The amount of time and effort you spend ‘gaming’ a girl who’s maybe a 7 or 8 is absurd.
         That is why women hate prostitutes, you pay for sex once you realize what a sham the entire female market is.

         1. Basic math says otherwise….
            Compare the cost of fuckng a 7 or 8, 500 times (from the example above) vs fucking a pro that much….

         2. Of course, that’s why I’ve only ever banged the same pro 4x, and twice with her was NO CHARGE! I prefer to bang long-term girlfriends, but mix in pros for variety / excitement / ego boost. I ask, why not?

         3. Agreed 100%.

         4. Well you must admit that most dudes on the “go pro” bandwagon… act as if it’s cheaper and it is not cheaper.

         5. If you bang a hooker all the time, no it is not cheaper. But if you use it as an occasional convenience to get what you want…that is the real value.

         6. “Well you must admit that most dudes on the “go pro” bandwagon… act as if it’s cheaper and it is not cheaper.”
            Yes it is, dope.

         7. Are you deformed? Then stfu

         8. Well, it’s certainly cheaper if you were to factor in a divorce w/ child support payments and alimony. Further, banging whores in Tijuana is lots cheaper than chasing reasonable pussy in San Diego.

         9. That’s my point.

         10. Don’t complicate it by adding marriage and kids…. that’s not what “go pro” means when it’s used as a battle cry.

         11. Adelitas ftw

         12. HK > Adelitas!!!

         13. Depends where you are baning them and how much they are charging you.. To fuck a 7 or 8 500 times is not an easy feat for free. That is sex for basically 2 years. If you are in north europe you can pay $40 to bust your load with 9s all over the whore houses of netherlands. Its about 20k over 2 years. Compare that to all the dinnr dates and other shit any gil fucking you that many times will require? I’m not sure what would be more cost efficient.
             I know its cheaper to not marry and cheaper to not pay nothing if possible.

         14. Well that’s kind of like saying if your aunt had testicles she’d be your uncle. Well she doesn’t have testicles and so she isn’t your uncle.
             Long term pussy is mostly upfront cost… with the exception of Birthday and V-Day. And when you average that out over 2 years… it’s gonna be more like $4 per bang, not $40 per bang.
             Also $40 bucks to bang a 9 whore seem and order of magnitude unrealistic in most Western Countries… can you provide a link to prices and to a girl you consider a “9”?

         15. Why would you pay for sex? Just rape woman, most don’t go to jail.

      2. “The old adage, “sex is never free” is truer now than ever before, so what exactly is wrong with paying $50 for good sex in a foreign country with a totally compliant female that you really dig? Is it better or more fun or more economical to spend 5 hours bar hopping, jumping through various hoops, struggling with language / cultural barriers, buying drinks and food in order to bang a foreign 6 or 7 for “free”? Come on guy, get off your high horse.”
         Roosh canot handle such a question, don’t bother asking.

         1. 500 fucks for 5 hours work is a deal

         2. You’re the one always stating the benefits of managing a “harem” of pussy. In interested in the concept.
            Personally I don’t think most men can do it and not have things go wrong … Not working men (50 hours plus at a real career) past 30 years of age. Every guy I know like that doesn’t have a career or has time for only one hobby; pussy.
            Women drain your wallet, balls, time, and concentration.

         3. One must enquire as to how most of the rok community has the abundance of time neccessary to go out and conquer sluts. Im studying, reading and working out when Im not working at my job and Im so fuckin’ tired as it is.

         4. Agreed. I’m in a three year ltr.
            I have time for work outs, mma, work, reading this site, and girl. That is my life. How do these guys run harems? I have seen it with some guys, but it’s with girls I won’t want.

         5. Yeah so your stacked for time as it is. I bet your not feverishly anxious to get your ass out there and build a harem. Your set and fully booked, so to speak (for now). I think theyre exaggerating the numbers of girls they real in or turn into harem girls. Either that, or theyre currently working a menial job and have enough time to screw around.

         6. May be we are missing something.

         7. I dont think so. How can we be? …Time is time. There is no way around it. Most people work 9-5 jobs throughout the week and if they work reasonably hard the job will be somewhat draining. Thats means no weekend trolling for harlots. And why would you spend the last vestige of your time on someone other than yourself.

         8. It all sounds too much like college.
            Or may be tinder.

         9. Ha! It does, indeed. I think we should trust in the words of wise men for this matter: “Believe nothing you hear, and only half of what you see.”

         10. Harem? You overstate my position on purpose. Why?
             It sounds to me that you have never had even a single FWB or a fuck buddy. What’s to manage?
             At 23 years old… you should have much more energy than you seem too. And your 8 plus (define that) seems high maintenance. Have you talked to her about 3 somes yet?

         11. Don’t act so defensive, it’s merely an inquiry. 8 plus is basically top 10 to 15 percent of women. The women we really want.
             If you are with an 8 or 9, why would you want to fuck 5 or 7s on the side?
             Except for rare cases, quality women in the west have no interest in being part of some guys shuffle board. Yes, they may allow a guy to cheat, but in my experience they don’t tolerate being one of many. Why would a woman in her prime let you fuck her and other women regularly?
             Unless you’re talking absolute whores or get short term hook ups.
             Essentially, I’m questioning the feasibility of polygamy from his and her standpoint.

         12. Dude. Pay attention and stop deflecting. Have you ever had a FWB or a fuck buddy?
             Because with all your shuffleboard , polygamy framing.. it appears you are limited in your understanding.

         13. lol. 3 years…
             So you have been with this girl from 20-23. SMH.
             No wonder you don’t know anything.

         14. Are you really gonna tell me you are too busy to have a couple of fuck buddies?
             For the record going to college while working (that’s you right) is harder time management wise than most full time jobs.

         15. Banging a girl “for free” has some costs as well, in terms of time, rejections, money spent on days…but IS NOT the same as paying for a hooker. One puts out because she’s horny, the other just because you paid. You know it. Keep that hamster in line.

         16. No, I honestly haven’t. The closest I came to that was sophomore year in college. That’s why I’m asking.
             The guys I do know who do what you suggest arent with quality women … Quantity replaces quality.
             My POV is lock down one 8 plus rather than a bunch of 5-8s.
             The most desirable women lock down older alphas in LTRs as they approach mid 20s. Your harem must contain college girls and skanks … Because there isnt much outside that pool.

         17. You don’t ask shit. You pontificate and assume.
             Harem? Again? Really?
             You’re 23 and have oneitis with your woman and that’s fine, but there is no good reason why you shouldn’t have at least two good pieces of pussy on tap

         18. It won’t be hard for me to get a 7 … If a man is good looking and tall, 5 to 7s are a dime a dozen.
             What’s hard is anything above a 7. I have seen men who pipeline, and the girls they fuck are usually 7 and under.
             I am picky at this point, nothing below an 8 would do. I question my own ability to pull off what you suggest at that level.
             My game would need to impove.

         19. No. Im working as an electrical apprentice in the mining sector (Industrial). I work 6am-5pm (weekdays and weekends). Tell me, Isaac (Newton). How the fuck am I supposed to go out and reel in some harem girls with my schedule?

         20. “One puts out because she’s horny the other just because you paid.”
             Chicks that put out without getting paid do so on speculation that they will receive something materialistically bigger in the long run i.e. dupe the chump into marrying her.

         21. I’m trying to determine if you are picky or unreasonable. What’s an 8 to you? What’s a 7? Provide links.

         22. Realize your schedule and job aren’t the norm.
             You work 77 hours a week around 90% men.
             However quit your whining. I had similar hours when i worked at at start up (IT sausage fest), but I did take lunch. And lunch is full of waitresses and bartenderettes…
             Be efficient.

         23. The pro acts horny, for the most part, and generally has good skills — so who cares? Plus, she walks away with her bit of cash and is NOT scheming how to take a pound of flesh from you. Priceless.

         24. I do realize my schedule is not the norm, but I was talking about MY schedule. Learn to fucking read and apply context. Whos whining? I told you my situation when you incorrectly insinuated otherwise, you dumbshit. Lol. Go back to kindergarten.

         25. Hello Mr. Isaac Newton, I myself work a 6 to 5.20 myself. Although it’s difficult to keep your shit together all the more even go out with girls, It is dueble. Just yesterday I dated a nice foreign girl, came visiting my country & got her number like child’s play, called her, asked her out, and voila. It’s not hard but you must keep your time frame. Don’t stay up too long or you’ll fuck up at work the next day. Have a beer, make out, go to her hotel room/ apartament, hit that (if it works that fast, I was on my second date so no muffin just yet) and leave- go sleep, go to work. Work is more important that bitches. If you’re hungry you won’t be able to eat pussy (well, you catch my drift).

         26. I get what youre saying, brother. Thats great that you have the ability to pull that off, as well as the luck/timing. I just dont have that luxury. I work around nothing but men, and cant leave site until my shift is done (3 weeks on, 1 off). There is no damn way I will waste time trying to attain your awesome situation when I can just visit a 10/10 escort girl, scratch the itch (so to speak), and then apply myself where my attention is warranted (study, pt, hanging with friends, visting parents, travelling etc.) when I have some time off work.

         27. I sustain that ! But try to throw in a little mingleing with the ladies. Find 2 hours / week to do that. You’ll do wonders. By the way – the foreign girl act worked, we went to her place, she only got to briely polish my helmet that my soldier went in retreat – it was getting to close to my waking ours for work. And I work in a spit-fire, harpie-trator environment where everyone smells everyone’s ass to see what they ate & shit & stuff. I bailed, to my great regreat, but still one of the best catches yet !

         28. Rape is free.

         29. I would point out that draining the balls shouldn’t be considered such a disadvantage; but concerning our most precious gem besides our health, time is of incredible value which we should never waste, neither is concentration of course.

         30. you know it’s interesting, I agree with you about the requirements to get laid, and the irony of all this is I bet Matt Forney couldn’t pull much over a 4 in the United States, despite the name of this article.

      3. Must agree, I dont understand roosh comment as well. Most of his articles about western women is more or less about how he has given up on them and how much he hates them. Yea he has sex with them but how can he demand that anyone should have sex with someone they dont like, just for the sake of “not having given up on sex” ?

   10. Usually I agree with most things Roosh says, I love the website, and I’ve bought his book Bang and Day Bang. I enjoy his cynical but realistic outlook on American culture. But when I see comments like this I really have to wonder what’s going on? Don’t MGTOW men make it easier for these PUA types to get laid(i.e. less competition)? I think ultimately this knee-jerk reaction from PUAs can only mean one thing: Fear. Think about it, if men seek and achieve their satisfaction in life outside of “Game” or only use escorts for pussy, these PUA clowns would be out of business. I’ll give it to PUAs, they are excellent marketers, coming from someone who has worked in marketing before.
       “Too many commenters here seem to have given up on women entirely because they don’t have the will, determination, testosterone, or motivation to improve their sex life in a meaningful way.”
       Yes, these should become more like me. And read MY books. And visit MY website(etc, ect.)
       Also the idea that MGTOWs is a form of voluntary celibacy or that they can’t use game is foolish. Game after-all is just a euphemism for anything used in attempts to get sex. So yes, I do talk to women and I do occasionally get laid while using some game, does this make me a PUA? Or just like any other guy? Chasing a fleeting biological sensation for a lot of guys is not nearly as exciting as doing what they want, studying science, making a business, learning new skills, etc. But again, if men realized that, they would stop buying all this PUA stuff and these PUAs would go broke.
       Remember people, the perspective of the author is widely important to the statements they make, they have goals and agendas just like anybody else. Maybe Roosh could learn from the MGTOW movement, he did say in a recent youtube video that gaming women(particularly 6’s and 7’s) didn’t bring him any satisfaction, only banging 8’s and 9’s did, making it even harder for him. It’s almost as if(gasp) chasing women has a diminishing marginal return and is ultimately not very satisfying after awhile. But, just keep drinking the kool-aid and be an alpha male, what a joke.

       1. I feel that the manosphere is at risk of ending up like neoreaction where everybody stands on the hilltop of their own strictly defined faction and then starts hating each other.
          Roosh might be making a valid point though, that perhaps MGTOW is not to be found here – but as I said before, MGTOW is a pathway, a hallway between rooms. You got the beta chump room, the PUA room, the Omega room (lost souls), the grass feeding gamer and porn room (sticky floors and lots of Cheetos wrappers), and perhaps a few others.
          If Roosh wants his site to be the PUA room and nothing more and ban everybody else, it’s his right. But without a hallway how will people get to that room?
          Already to get out of the Beta Chump dungeon, consisting of a mental prison based on a lifetime of indoctrination and conditioning, it’s as if a fellow must break down walls (literally). Is he expected to find the PUA room on the other side of that wall or will he find that he must then tunnel with his fingernails to the PUA room?
          MGTOW is the hallway that makes it an easy walk. And on that walk a fellow realizes that no, he’s not going to die alone because he refuses to “settle” for some fat narcissistic blob with no class. He’s not going to roll over and die bleeding out his ass because he didn’t get laid. And best of all, he learns that nothing in his self esteem or perception of worth has any connection whatsoever with what a woman – or anybody for that matter – thinks.
          Is such a fellow a threat to PUAs if they reach the PUA room and decide to enter?

          1. I agree and I like this perspective on it, I usually view full mgtow as a temporary gateway to get your life in order. If people want to take it further then that’s fine with me, or if they want to become a PUA that’s fine. I don’t like the division either but it might be because both groups are actually different people. Ultimately it’s not a zero-sum game, many ex-puas become mgtow and many mgtow learn game and become puas, I’m just trying to defend the mgtow movement from a clever PUA-shaming marketing heist.

          2. The divisiveness has the potential to kill us. Women might actually be superior to us in this regard. They’ve managed to come together for their cause and make it a global issue. We’ve gotten off the ground with good momentum, but articles/comments above will make everyone point at each other and call the other party losers. PUA guys have to respect that some people have better things to do with their time than approach 100 girls a week just to get laid. Doesn’t mean you have to be celibate, just hook up with women who give obvious hints and require minimal effort, such as Tinder or friend introductions. Shaming red pill guys for whatever lifestyle they lead is stupid. We need cohesiveness now more than ever.

          3. Roosh seems like a naturally smart guy who would have a hard time getting laid due to his personality. Why would someone “smart” dedicate his entire life for something he’d have to sell his soul to get efficient at?
             I have to throw this out there, sometimes I wonder if Roosh is CIA (he is from DC after all) engaging in a “controlled opposition” operation. He is quite blue pill in his non-pussy related views.

          4. Yeah you are right about that. Find one big fat dude in a social setting and he’s surrounded by betas (not as orbiters though). Find one big fat girl and she’s got pretty orbiters or standard “fat girl’s friend”. Then you got the den mother, the freshly-divorced and looking to suck a cock to piss off her ex, and a few others, all in one group. And for a player they comprise a little amusement park of obstacles to get past just to get that 6 that’s painted to look like an 8 for a few hours.
             But let’s not be fooled. Look at how feminists use “women of color” as a cause celeb but otherwise don’t give a shit about them. And those “fat girl’s friends” are happy to have someone ugly around because it elevates their own appearance.

          5. The ban on MGTOW over the “all women are like that” litany, it is because it gets on your nerves. If you don’t like women and don’t want to get involved with one, what the fuck are you doing here, other than harassing other dudes?
             Divisiveness might be bad, but keeping troublemakers in the ranks, just because they happen to have dicks, is a sure way of getting nowhere with whatever you want.

          6. Great point as in no point in dividing ourselves.

          7. A CIA operation would be far more effective than this. Roosh is very intelligent but his number one concern is snatch, ultimately holding him back from being a true global force.
             We have cultural warfare in the US. An economy in grave debt. Significant risk of global destruction and violence. A gargantuan, out of control government and an enabling media covering it all up.
             I think ROK and Roosh have the potential to step this site/movement to a higher level but continually show a dependency on pussy. I frown and bypass the “How to Get Laid in X” articles. We have bigger fish to fry, fellas.

          8. This is why I laugh at Roosh and his antics even though I like the guy. He’s a below average looking beta with A plus game.
             I think he’s brilliant but it’s like what are you doing with your life? He’s 35 not 25. He has potential to be something greater.

          9. Yawn.
             If you’re talking to me, I like women and getting laid, as does everyone here. Weird question. But as Roosh says, American women generally are a pain in the ass, and as Graft says, we have bigger fish to fry. If you want I can harass only you 🙂
             You’re right, red pill men tend to get on blue pill men’s nerves. How old are you, 19?

          10. Groups of women are different people, that doesn’t stop them from banding together.

          11. Be something greater? What for?.

          12. That or Russian psyops…trying to smear or turn people off to America and sell Russia to us lol.

          13. You, sir, have pointed out the problem with the,current supposed Alpha Male movement. Real Alpha Males dont spend their time just trying to get laid. These fake alpha males emulate certain alpha male traits just for sex. Real Alpha Males have always portrayed real power and control in all aspects of their lives. When you can do this, you dont need Game. You Are Game. Game is just the term used by Omega males pretending to be alpha. Real Alpha Males build and lead societies and civilizations, even if,its just at the family unit level. Feminism is out ofl control becauselittle boys pretending to be men dont know how to keep their bitches in line. They mistakenly think because they know how to get a dumb cunt to sleep with them is power. Nope, youre just that night’s flavor for unchecked female promiscuity. Real Alpha Males fix society’s problems, not ride the downward spiral while tallying a count of how many whores you slept with.

          14. “a. Real Alpha Males build and lead societies and civilizations, even if,its just at the family unit level”
              Feminist propaganda right there. Only a complete jackass today gets married.

          15. You, my dear friend, should read about the true virtues of a man. All real men want families. It’s the feminist mentality that has left the majority of women out of the category ,,wives”. From 80-90 % good women to marry, we’re just left with 30-40%. There are still some left.

          16. Red pill men hardly get on the nerves of anyone. Men who act like thwarted bitches, do.
              Actually, I was not talking to you, but if the shoe fits you, be my guest.

          17. I hear what you’re saying but you need to look at the current state of affairs and accept the fact that men have no rights – and spare me please the notion of “quit whining” bs – men have been put to third class citizenry enforced by SWAT and governments. This is why I think civil war may have to be an option.
              Until men get their rights and their respect back, it’s NO MARRIAGE.

          18. Take your respect from the women by force. If they still dissrespect you, than don’t even say goodbye- just get up and leave with a smile in silence – let them bitches contemplate on THAT !

          19. “Take your respect from the women by force. If they still dissrespect you, than don’t even say goodbye- just get up and leave with a smile in silence – let them bitches contemplate on THAT!”
              They won’t contemplate anything. Most likely they will just put their noses back into their smartphones and the guy gets quickly forgotten.

          20. Don’t bitch about it, just do it, you’ll see wonders.

          21. Clueless idiot.

          22. “They’ve managed to come together for their cause and make it a global issue”
              No they haven’t, feminism has only prevailed because we’ve entered the service-industry era of lazy comfort where nearly all westerners find themselves in pointless occupations that even women can competently perform, which rather feebly (but feebleness is always good enough for leftists) enforces the leftist idea that equality is achievable. The feminist “solidarity” would crumble to dust if the (male-instigated/run) society that supports it were to fall.

          23. You must think you’re in the movies; there’s no snappy come-back here boy. Learn the ways or you’ll be the one to suffer. As a matter of fact I hope I won’t encounter such ignorance again.

          24. I second this !

          25. Don’t waste your time & energy. Channel them into something worth while.

          26. all REAL men want families!? REAL defined as? I see too many men WITH families with side action and occasionally illegitimate offspring (Jesse Jackson, Bill Cosby, former South Carolina Governor and Arnold Schwarzenegger to name a few).

          27. Let’s make a distinction, they have families, even if separated, divorced whatever. You still have to lean into a family at some point into your life. It took a lot to think about for me too, but unfortunately where I live, the financial prospect is a bit grim, so until I reach my objectives, financially and otherwise, I will not even think about marriage. It’s just that you have be very well-fucking- prepared when entering a marriage. You have to have your shit together, your values, your goals, your finances, your stability ( just in case she divorces you etc). Be prepared to walk out of she gives you any shit. Many of my mentors currently live separated from their wives, but go see them ocasionally, as their kids ( of course ) live with their mothers. Give it a thought, think about it.

          28. that makes more sense but I think throughout history and across cultures, many men never have families. Self preservation is core…families in many situations are burdensome.

          29. Unfortunately, one can relate to your statement. In the majority of situations, families do tend to be burdensome. I think we need to discuss this more throughly. There are pros and cons, but in order to have more pros you have to be completely self sufficient and powerful.

          30. Gentlemen, can we have an article where Mr. Graft’s subjects are individually touched ? To ROK staff.

          31. Interesting point.

       2. Interesting take and I have to agree.
          We’re obsessed with sex, that’s right, obsessed. The high from orgasm is as addicting as any drug, but people think it’s free and without consequence. If you aren’t chasing that dopamine you aren’t a man.
          I’ve seen too many men driven into the ground by making pussy the only goal worth achieving.
          Women laugh at us because we behave like crack addicts for it and it makes us gullible, stupid and desperate.
          There’s nothing wrong with wanting or having sex, but it’s been perverted into something we we’rent evolved to indulge in to this degree.

          1. “There’s nothing wrong with wanting or having sex, but it’s been perverted into something we weren’t evolved to indulge in to this degree.”
             Well said

       3. #cosign

   11. u mad?

   12. I disagree somewhat. From a point of logic, all women are the same everywhere. I can utter this from first hand experience having been around the world. This doesn’t make me a virgin, fool or a given up herbivore. In fact it’s foolish to think women are not the same and fall into the grass is greener trap, although it is a nice fairy tale to have some kind of hope that it isn’t true lol
       They all may exhibit differing rates of spin on the hamster wheel (loosely perceived as quality I suppose), but they all have a hamster nonetheless. Argumentative, tattooed, Fakebook? lol They might seem nice at first and may be hiding these from you, most I have seen abroad have the traits you mention with exception to maybe the tats depending on the country. They are just better actors, remember they want something from you. American women were good actors at one point, but modern women have simply just dropped the act and let their inner hamster out in full spin.
       That being said, the propping up of foreign women is nothing new. In the past this propping up was more for LTR’s than easy lays. Either is easy because foreign women want something from you (sound familiar?). Usually this is a LTR in the long run with family, and maybe even a green card, or at least having the perceived higher status of being with you in her country. In other words resource extraction.
       Gaming foreign women for pump and dump short term flings is going to slowly corrupt them, in the sense of no longer putting on the act, just as it’s been done in the west. There is no shortage of getting laid in America, plenty of pump and dump material out there. Very little to no quality LTR material.

   13. No one here on has given up on women, just the bullshit it takes to get them. I’m sure everyone here is an opportunist when it comes to getting laid and not a masochist. Wanting to get laid when it’s convenient does not make you less of a man, and only a fool (or someone with an income stream to protect) would think otherwise.
       You going to ban me Roosh?

   14. This is your thing and you can run it any way you like, run anyone out of here you want to. If you’re going to limit content and membership solely on men 18-39 getting laid with impunity without “paying” for it you’re going to thin the herd considerably. The state of and fate of men in the new leftist PC reality is far more serious and complicated than how many notches can I get in (name your favorite foreign country.)

   15. after watching your videos, all i have to say is good luck with that.

   16. I didn’t know what MGTOW even meant so I googled it. The first fit was a website (mgtow.com). The site seems red pill to me. My question is why would you classify MGTOW with game denialists and whoremongers?

   17. Not to be a wise guy, but what is the difference between picking up as many strange women as possible using game and being a whoremonger? I think outside observers would see very little distinction except the cash transaction. It doesn’t seem any less sleazy than picking up a hooker but that’s just me.
       I usually really like this site as it is a forum for men’s issues and I have learned a lot here. I honestly enjoy the diversity of opinions. I am basically a serial monogamist who doesn’t pick up chicks in bars. I tried dating multiple women at once and it just confuses me. I forget who said what and when.
       Maybe I don’t belong here either but I like the site anyway.
       If this just a site for pickup artists, I’m a little disappointed. It would be a very narrow focus and certainly diminished in popularity if all those viewpoints you mentioned are eliminated. But it’s not my site so you can do as you wish.

   18. To follow up on the same quote, I would also like to say that not all women in the US 100% are the same. Many or the majority deserve the never-ending bashing they get here, but there are plenty who are not only great, but who are well aware of man-jaws, feminists etc…, disliking it and wanting to stay away from it as much as we guys.

2. This is what I wanna know. im 21, and yes ill admit im a virgin. If you saw me you would say the fuck are you a virgin. I’ll admit im rather good looking, dress well, work out constantly, being in military helps on top of that. Ive realized im insecure as fuck and that is a huge no no in attracting women. How the hell do people meet, this is what bothers me. LIfe isn’t exactly like 50 days of summer where I meet some cutesy girl in blockbuster. Im stationed in Korea, and now I find it even more daunting. Not really into clubbing, is my only hope to approaching random chicks when im out and about?

   1. Pretty much. Start by practicing striking up conversations with strangers. They don’t all have to be chicks you are trying to seduce either. It’s all useful practice. Say hi and ask a question about something they are doing, or carrying, or ask them information..whatever excuse to get them to talk about something.

      1. In a nutshell thats an excellent response.
         You just have to force yourself to have conversations. One thing that really helped me with chicks was reading a book 15+ years ago that said to get into your own comfort zone. You are the most confident when you are the most comfortable. Is it jeans and a tshirt? Your favorite tshirt perhaps? Like to drink a beer or smoke a little dope? Its brash to say that last two but if it makes you confident thats what its all about.
         So this totally worked for me. I used to be pretty shy until I found my comfort/confidence zone. Next thing you know I was running a small record label and the women eventually came up to me.
         Ive naturally evolved since those days… instead of smoking up, I’ll grab a beer. I now feel confident when I wear nice shoes, dress in a nice suit, etc. Women love a well dressed guy, and thats easy to work on. The trick is working on your communication skills. And its tricky to communicate if you are not confident. They sort of go hand in hand.
         So back to what Phantom said…. work on your people skills and talk to ANYONE! At the grocery store? Chat with the clerk instead of paying the money and leaving. Too shy to do that? Well you would ask someone for help if you needed an item in the store right? Start with that then. “Hey, do you know which soup is better?”,….” Hi there, I cant seem to find the chocolate coated almonds”….. “Can you recommend a beer? Im throwing a little party tonight”.
         Good luck!

         1. A man should be well dressed on principle, not for women. In general ones appearance is something that one can improve drastically and it will usually lead to an increase in stature in the public eye. If anything looking decent goes a long way in making it not a complete fucking blowout to the natural alphas.
            A man should go home every night to his bed feeling like he tried his fucking best and that there’s nothing wrong with him because women don’t like him. Who fucking cares about women? You’ll never be good enough for them, so just fall in love with yourself and your own image.

      2. I talk to chicks all the time, especially in my unit, really don’t want to get involved with army chicks, they tend to be a bit off. I just get stupid fucking test everytime I talk to a chick, sometimes im not even trying to get with anyone and it seems like im being tested on something, meanwhile some non assuming slob gets no hassle from girls. Its like im looked at with scorn without even having done anything.

         1. Ah I see. Can you give an example or two, of how you broke the ice and what kind of ‘test’ they responded with?

         2. women will ask me to hang out with them, only to fuck up the plans hours before its time to go. this happens constantly, why ask me in the first place, and when I ignore em for waisting my time im met with shitty attitudes. I really don’t know how to convey over the internet how women react towards me, its very passive aggressive.

         3. Taking a case where a chick asked you out and then flaked on you, what happened during the time in between? Was there communication? If yes, by what means, how often, who initiated it .. ? I’m trying to see if there was something that turned them off, although keep in mind that even the best players will have chicks flake on them. It’s just in their nature. They are like empty beer cans floating on water and don’t know whether they’re coming or going .. haha

         4. “They are like empty beer cans floating on water and don’t know whether they’re coming or going”
            That’s tremendous.

         5. communication was pretty even. both sides initiating at one point

         6. Talk to them with an objective in mind. Have a list of steps leading to that objective. Step 1, start the conversation, step 2, get the number, so on and so on until you achieve your objective, getting laid. Adjust your tactics based on what works and what doesn’t depending on the situation. Hardest part? Step 1.

         7. Right. As a general principle, you want to be playful and fun, but without looking too eager. Some girls, if not most nowadays, will run if their hamster smells even a whiff of possible neediness from you. That can mean talking too much, replying to soon to her texts (you want to take a little longer than she does to reply), or being too accommodating. And if they ever get the impression that you are “just another boring dude” it’s usually game over. Yes, it’s like having to entertain a 5 year old with ADHD sometimes. I can’t tell you anything more specific since I don’t know much details about your case.
            However, keep this in mind. Even very experienced players – the kind who write books and do seminars on this stuff – say that no more than about 10% of the numbers they get result in actual action beyond a first date. It’s just the way it is.

         8. You are showing the symptoms (both your part and females’) of all the stuff they talk about on ROK.
            Women are shit testing you AKA seeing if you’re man enough. Just using assumption, I am going to assume, since you are a Virgin and not so well in the communication skills department, I bet your vibes comes off as not so confident. Hence the reason why chicks flake on you, because they found someone who is more “experienced” (verbally or non-verbally) in the areas of sex and confidence.
            They shit tested you again when you ignored them, to see if you would fold under their pressure, and I am assuming you did. When you unconsciously react to their emotional responses, rather than conscious respond (this is very Buddhist in nature, but the writers on ROK seem to exhibit this same manner, even if they do not study it). An example of consciously responding is understanding that said woman is being a bitch, having mood swings, yelling, bickering, etc. Then as a response, you laugh, smile, walk away calmly, or don’t respond at all. By UNconsciously reacting, you not only give them the fuel, but also further conclude that you are not man enough to handle her. this is an unconscious and evolutionary thing with women – they need a man to be an oak tree through their storms and rivers of emotion.
            My recommendation is to learn and practice game. Buy Roosh V’s books, especially Day Bang, which I believe fits any man, especially virgin men. I believe it’s good, because day game involves you being who you are (which I will again assume, you’re a Safe and Nice guy), and straightforward about what you do in life (you’re in the military, that’s something great you can use as part of your dialogue). Night game is a totally different field, where cockiness, asshole, and a little bit of other things is part of your game.
            Bro, read ROK more, it will harden you up. Pick up some Roosh V books, and do what the above respondents said. Just go out and talk to people. Get warmed up into having conversation so that things can become easier when talking to any women, 2’s or 10’s out of 10’s.

         9. Oh man this site makes me laugh.
            Phantom said “they are like empty beer cans floating on water…”
            haha

         10. Using logic with chicks (ie: proper communication) will always bring negative results.

         11. Your best bet for snagging a high caliber Korean woman is meet them in coffee shops or bars. Stay away from Itaewon, stay away from the clubs in Hongdae packed with mostly army guys…in fact stay away from any area where there’s mostly U.S. military–you’ll only get the trashy Korean girls. Go to the places where the English teachers go and hang out with them if you want to meet quality Koreans.

         12. Oh my friend, I have asked that question myself many times. Best thing to do here is stack these bitches. Then you can flake on them instead.

      3. Good for you actually admitting this and not making some bullshit anti-pua argument like a lot of guys do. I would like to add, don’t quit. My first month I began approaching I approached 90 women before I got laid. Tons of mishaps and failed dates but it was worth it in the end. You will sometimes get into rough patches, periods of stagnation. But it helps me to know that after one month I can sharpen my game into fighting shape.

         1. thanks guys, gotta go to sleep. uncle sam owns my ass. Ill spend tomorrow hitting up the Korean babes.

   2. No matter what you do, remember, as you get older, it will get better. While you might not be able to get the girls today, 10 years from now, if you still have a good job, dress well and are in shape, you’ll be beating them off with a stick. If you want the “easy” answer, go for older women, they are desperate for a lay and things will move faster with them. Or keep learning game and practicing it, then you can land the hotties around your age.
      Go to the gym, that’s a good place to meet people. Nightclubs/bars are the easiest for guys, any girl there alone/only with girls is looking to fuck, pretty much without exception. But it’s by no means the only place; I’ve had great success with the gym and the beach (especially if you’re working out constantly). I will admit though, all my experience is with American women who, as we all know, are rather susceptible to game/alpha (even fake alpha, like me). I’m not sure how that translates to Korea, although, I’m sure you can find good advice here from others who’ve been there.

      1. Don’t like the idea of waiting til im 40 and established, so yeah ill keep trying. Not really into the whole game thing though, it just seems like at the end of the day, game is just pandering you words to cater a female’s response that ends in you possibly getting her attention. Is the dating dynamic so fucked now that I have to manipulate women.Im no pushover when it comes to chicks, but this whole game thing seems draining and ends nowhere in the grand scheme of life.

         1. Nobody said you had to be 40, but, for a man, some of the hardest years with women are from 21 (after college) to late 20’s or early 30’s. Women that age are dating older men (who have more resources) or being pumped by alpha thugs. Once you have more resources, you can be that guy dating those young girls, it’s just hard, at your age, to land the top tier women long term.
            Listen to me when I say; if you want to have successful relationships with women, you MUST learn the pricipals of game. No, you don’t have to become a pick up artist. But you have to understand the female psyche and know how to keep her interested in you; sure, your personality is some of it, but, if you don’t game her, someone will and you’ll likely wind up very unhappy in the long term.
            I see game (in a relationship) for men the same way I see keeping fit and being sexually open for women. Can a woman have a relationship with a man if she’s fat and only likes the missionary position? Yes, she can. But the type of man she’s going to get is MUCH LOWER than if she was thin and liked anal 3x a week and facials the other 4 nights. Women work on their appearance and sexual skills/willingness, men work on their game (and their income). Yes, our road is much harder than theirs. And no, life is not fair. But, if you commit to it, you’ll wind up with a higher quality PND, girlfriend or wife (whatever your goal) than you could have gotten otherwise. And that woman will be happier with you.
            Where do you expect dating women to get you that game seems to end you nowhere? Lots of guys use game to get their wives, and then keep using game to keep their wives around. If you want to drop out and not date women (or only pay for sex) no, you don’t need any of this. But if your goal is to fuck a lot without paying for it (either short term or long term), you need to understand game. You don’t need to memorize 100 openers if you’re just looking for a LTR, but you do need to understand how the female psyche works.

         2. hahaha yeah that would be stupid to wait until you’re 40, you want pussy now!
            Like I said, learn game, pick up Roosh V books, strike up convos with people, perhaps pickup articles on learning how to dress.
            Start right now…..go up to some old man, old woman, cashier, mall clerk, etc. and strike up a conversation. Talk to them as if you are talking to a friend. you gotta start on some basic level. It’s about gaining competence.
            Because competence makes confidence. The more competent (or skillful) you are in a given thing or things, the more confident you are. Take for instance your Army M.O.S. I bet through time you have become competent in that area. If you are just an E-1 through E-3, wait until you make E-4 or even NCO and how competent you will be in your M.O.S. And when you are competent in your MOS, you are definitely confident. You do your job with finesse, basically second nature. If someone in your unit shouts “I need someone to do this (which pertains to your MOS)” and they point at you, you won’t have the jitters. Why?
            Because you’re competent in your skill, therefore you are CONFIDENT in your skill.
            Communications is like an M. O. S. – train for it, so you can be competent and then……………..CONFIDENT.

         3. I enjoy the comments on here.
            He said “….or being pumped by alpha thugs.”
            ROK is seriously my morning paper.

         4. Excellent stuff, but there’s no such thing as fucking a lot of women without “paying” for it in some form.

      2. Soooooo true. Older women are definitely easier to get. Chicks who are 25 and younger have a line of men who want to get with them, so it’s all about trying harder with game. Even before ROK, I was still laying older women. Any man can have sex with any age of women (even if the young 20s are ugly as hell), it comes down to confidence, that is a single component. Back in the day, living at my mom’s house, as a bus boy at a restaurant, still got me many lays. It came down to my confidence, and I definitely had an abundance mentality.
         I could say times have changed with women. They have a better pick at the cock carousel, but I believe as long as you approach and have confidence, it will still do the trick when picking up women. 🙂

      3. Your response sounds like some hamsterization. I’m an older guy and it did get a little easier in the 30s vs 20s but in now way was I ever “beating them off with a stick”.

   3. Keep approaching, keep asking, keep trying. You will get a lot of rejects. But you will forget the rejects and remember the lays.

      1. Im not a game denialist at all. Of course it works. Thing is, its an arms race..the more you approach, the more women get tired of being approached. Their attitude goes up and you would have to approach more to get the same result. It might end with that you will get no results at all. I believe that men should change their behavior, have more pride. Stop chasing women as if they are water in the desert.
         Dont stop of course, but a fundamental change has to happen.
         See men from other cultures, like Russia and Asia, they have the right
         attitude towards their women, they are not slaves.
         And because of that, the women-situation is under control in these countries. In the meantime, the situation here escalates more and more out of control.

         1. Women get old long before they get tired of being approached.

   4. Is it just chicks, hot chicks or any stranger that you have a problem talking with?

      1. one’s I have sexual interest in. I have no problem talking to girls generally, but the second I want to get involved sexually, I feel ashamed as if im bothering them

         1. Ahhh. That’s your problem… you’ve internalized a hatred of male i.e. your own sexuality. Quick question. Are you uncomfortable in strip clubs?

         2. never liked the idea of downtrodden women shaking their ass in front of me beside 5 other guys. Seems on the same level as watching porn with friends, kinda gay

         3. You putting ‘downtrodden’ there makes me think you still see women as higher beings who can do no wrong, deep down in your heart. That is you consider them superior to you. That’s what’s holding you back most probably.

         4. You have some deep seated internal issues. Feminism has trained you to cockblock yourself. Oh boy. Good luck.

         5. I agree, and it sucks and I don’t know why I feel this way when I know its not true

         6. Feminist indoctrination is fucking you up. If strip clubs are “gay”, I urge you to find a place that has private booths so it’s just you and the stripper. You need to learn how to treat women like pieces of ass.

         7. Don’t be hard on yourself buddy. It’s normal when you are still young and inexperienced, to see them as some prize to be coveted. We’ve all been there. With experience you’ll grow out of it. Keep visiting here, internalize red pill thinking, and keep improving yourself. At the same time, keep interacting and approaching.

         8. Yes, this was the hardest thing for me to do, especially after being raised by a strong single mother.

         9. Yup. Single mothers hate men… and they infect their sons with that.

   5. Just go to a prostitute, why wasting your time with half-men.

      1. Korea is full of prostitutes. If getting laid is what I really wanted, I would have already done it.

         1. Then you just need to be patient. There’s nothing wrong with you. Most women today are faulty. Never settle for low quality woman.
            A woman’s freedom is: “I am with him” a man’s freedom: “I am myself”. You are already free, whereas women, although pretend they are fine by themselves, are not free unless they are with you.
            So don’t beat yourself up. You hold the goods, they hold the money. The exchange must be fair.

         2. excellent.

         3. I guarantee you if you banged half a dozen hot pros over the course of a few months, your subconscious changes will start to attract “civilians” BIG TIME.

         4. Yeah there is probably something to this…
            Its been shown that if you force yourself to smile or frown, your mood will gradually lighten up or dip, respectively.
            Your brain is giving commands but also accepting feedback constantly… If you act like a player, even if you’re shy, you will eventually internalize what those external behaviours represent.

         5. He needs to lose his v card… By whatever means necessary. Even if he took a chick home he’d fuck it up from ignorance fear and shame

         6. That quote is so true nicely done there.

   6. Getting an overseas posting in Korea could be the best thing that ever happened to your social life. Korean women are similar to Japanese although they have historic rivalries (hate each other), but the software programming in the mind is very similar. There might be a stigma attached to being an american soldier, because they have a reputation for going out with their buddies and getting drunk and loud and tearing up the place. You’re much better off going out with only one male friend who speaks the language and being his wing man. Things will open up for you, you really don’t have to run game on them because they aren’t like american women who need to be gamed. Even if you don’t know much local language, they all are required to study english in high school and they like to practice conversation. I’ve been pretty blown away the few times I’ve been lucky enough to date Korean women in the US. Over-dressing on the first date, always on time, very feminine. One thing to keep in mind is they sometimes put up a big front about not kissing on the first date, and no public display of affection. That doesn’t mean they’re not interested. If you get a second date they can surprise you at how aggressive they become.

   7. Go hunting, learn self sufficiency. I take it you more than likely have experience of firearms as you are in the military. Get out more, go cycling, join a tri club, library, etc. You have years to get your shit together….. learn from your mistakes….. if you don’t you run the risk of walking in circles rather than straight ahead….. good luck Bosch!

   8. http://www.asiandatingmonthly.com/how-to-meet-women-in-south-korea-part-1/

   9. Korea is probably the worst place in asia when it comes to starting with PUA. Lots of entitled bitches, cockblocking from korean men and general hesitation against getting with a foreigner for racial reasons (koreans are huge on racial purity). You can get sluts and white guy groupies in clubs, but street game is hard work.
      Get yourself over to the phils whenever you have leave imo. Flights are cheap.

   10. Jesus man, just pay for if you’re in Korea and ENJOY. But for your first time, make sure you take the time to pick the hottest gal for your tastes and establish some chemistry w/ her beforehand over a few drinks in an intimate booth. If you can’t share a laugh w/ each other, audition another hottie for the role of First Fuck.

   11. Do not make women your top priority, because there is no shame in being a virgin at 21. Focus on improving yourself in all aspects of life and make game and approaching women a part of that, not ALL of it.
       Find hobbies and immerse yourself in them and take care of your body and mind. Eat well, lift weights, and surround yourself with positive and successful people. If you’re currently watching porn or masterbating regularly – STOP. Read up on the benefits of “NoFap” and realize that if you’re watching porn, you are sabotaging yourself. This alone will have a massive impact.
       As others have said, talk to everyone. Both male and female, attractive and unattractive. Develop your social skills across a large range of people and ultimately become comfortable around them. It’s not going to always be fun, but realize there is no victory without defeat. Stick with it man, it’ll change your life.

   12. Strongly advise you learn latin dances on top of continuing your game theory.
       You see, hip hop clubs are the worst. Women there, by and large (emphasis is usually on large), are not worth your time. However, you will meet both sexy, educated, and talented women (as it takes a lot of time and discipline to learn these dances well on top of getting an education or working (in other words, the type of women you want to meet!)), and the guys there are the same which means they are more the type of guy you will want to know. You might even start a business or some other adventure with them!
       When you know, I mean really know, that you are far and above most everything else out there, you will carry yourself with the flair of one who cares less who eats their heart out dreaming of you.
       I met my foreign hotty based on my ability to bust a move. Not to mention the hundred or so hot lays, and jealousy of my wife it has garnered me over the years.
       Also, keep in mind, your “misses (emphasis on the plural) rights” are waiting in areas where you BOTH have interest. So go to the places you personally enjoy. Why would any man go to a physics convention if he does not have the wherewithal to talk to a brainy chick, no matter how hot. Stick to something that is on your level.
       Trust me, it does not have to be any harder than you make it. So keep it simple stupid. *KISS*

3. Doesn’t take a genius to figure out that if a foreign woman is treating men of her own nationality like shit but her eyes light up at the sight of a foreigner…. that something’s wrong with her.
   Look, I got laid back in the US but the women didn’t want to stick around and were all degenerate hypergamous sluts (eyefucking other guys right in front of me, etc), or I was just number 22 on their list, somewhere after the Kenyan double team (serious). Went abroad and guess what. Women with their boyfriends eyefuck me in front of their men.
   I look at most women with real disgust now. If I catch them making eye contact with me I just shake my head just to let them know what I think of them. They’re all like that. All. Like. That. They’re completely useless, bird brained, just floating through life looking for whatever makes them excited. I’m not forever alone but if I was FA I wouldn’t mind. I really just have zero tolerance for most women and have every sympathy for men who go their own way. I wake up every goddamn day thinking what if I had been born looking like my brother (who looks Asian). My life would be a lot more fucking different, eh. I don’t like the idea that women all have this fucking sick ideal that no man could possibly ever attain. I don’t treat my wife like some angel or pedestalize her like some western men might (re: my own dad). Half the time I’m ignoring her. She has high standards too for men, and I don’t like it that I’m fulfilling them when so many other guys I know go through life single / depressed. It’s a weird feeling. I easily, and I mean, EASILY, could imagine myself being alone – I think about it every day, and over time I’ve come to realize that I could be just fine being alone.
   Anyways, rant over.

   1. “I look at most women with real disgust now. If I catch them making eye contact with me I just shake my head just to let them know what I think of them.”
      It’s kinda hard not to see women with disgust after one has enough experiences with them. That plus reading the articles at ROK exposing women for what they are. Recently there was an article here about the book Manipulated Man which melted my skull because it echoed all the shit about women that somehow I subconsciously buried I guess for the sake of my own sanity.
      All. Women. Are. Like. That.
      Accept that as a fact. There is too much valid literature and world wide talking and realization and epiphanies. And yeah, i’s an ugly world out there.
      I have more respect for men who at least will say to me “Yeah women are selfish and evil, but I need to fuck and dump my load so I will do what it takes to get my dick wet.” than some dumb-ass who is rationalizing female behavior and trying to convince himself and others that the female gender is nothing more than a hormonal driven animal who truly does not care about about anyone except herself.
      It has been said that social media and smartphones have destroyed women, but I disagree. The current technologies have simply revealed womens’ true nature. If any man cannot read the writing on the wall, or more accurately, if any man cannot read the bright glowing message written in the brightest and glowing sign on the billboard, there is not much hope for him.

   2. wtf?

   3. I get sick of looking at rice kings.

   4. ” but if I was FA I wouldn’t mind”
      Just curious – what does ‘FA’ stand for?

4. Getting laid in America is easy. Its getting a quality woman that is difficult. Personally, I would never travel to get laid. But I do expect to get laid when I travel.

   1. If I’m going over seas it better be to improve my own life before finding a woman first.

      1. Well said. Next to that getting pussy is a nice bonus.

   2. “Getting laid in America is easy.” You must be some kind of game oracle, because all you ever write is how easy it is. Everyone else complain about how hard it is, entitled attitudes, cockblocking friends, white knights etc etc. But you..YOU know how to do it. Hats off, Sir

      1. Like he said: it’s easy if you don’t care about quality. I can vouch for that. If you don’t mind a big fat used up slut and you are not a big fat slob yourself there’s pussy to be had all around. If you don’t want to have to chew your arm off in the morning to get away from her then it gets more difficult.

         1. “If you don’t mind a big fat used up slut”
            Sorry, I dont touch big fat used up sluts. So I guess it will be hard forever.

         2. Well I guess that leaves more big fat used up sluts for the rest of us….

         3. lol ok 🙂

         4. Yeah I can’t bring myself to deal with the fattys either. I got hit on my some fat girl at the counter in the local supermarket. I was polite but had to struggle not to bust out laughing.
            Once in Miami I knew this woman who was a pure 8 with implants. But she was not my GF (heh – I’m not stupid even with the big tits on that 100 lb 5’9″ frame). She gave me an invitation to a lingerie fashion show she was in and I had a center table right down the end of the runway. It was nice (until they sent the men out I mean WTF that was the end of a good boner let me tell you).
            After the show they got rid of the runway and the place was a night club again so I sent the hottie to the bar to get me a drink (something about a discount for the models – I was a beta chump back then but I had my limits too) and when she was gone these two fat chicks started flirting with me. Again I was a beta chump back then and a few years before already did the “beta chump in LTR with fat chick” routine and would have none of that again. I don’t think they saw her with be before. Anyway, when hottie came back the two fatties broke off and walked straight away in a huff. It was entertaining to say the least.

         5. Just remember to use rubbers that cover so much area they come with a free snorkel.
            I’m an asshole.

      2. Hey man just because it’s hard for you doesn’t mean it’s hard for everyone else. Lol!
         Doktorjeep summed it up precisely.

         1. Yea well just because its easy for you doesnt make it easy for everyone. But I get your point, I just have a hard time putting in hard work for bitches that are not worth working for.

   3. Quote: “Getting laid in America is easy”
      I agree to this. So is contracting the herpes and HPV strains. I guess I go foreign not for love (love does not exist) but to fuck a chick who doesn’t have all the diseases.

5. If you have absolutely no game, you should STILL go overseas ( study abroad for a semester, as a tourist for extended stay, gap year abroad, volunteer service, bible missionaries, I don’t care- any method you find) because 1) Just getting LAID- even if its from cheap hookers, will get your red pill train of self-knowledge and the nature of women moving 2) experience with women is experience with women. 3) TRAVEL 4) TRAVEL and, last but not least 5) TRAVEL!!!!!!

6. Hahahah, I see corny white guys coming to Manila with no balls to approach. Even a mini relationship with a Filipina is great but you have to have the fiery will to lay women. I don’t know who compared getting laid in America to training with weights but it’s a brilliant metaphor. As I reflect on my trip to PH, one lesson stands out more than anything. As women here stare at me with wide eyes and warm gazes, I can’t help but become super entitled, and this will put the edge on my game back home. I should always be entitled. Always act as if it is my right to approach and get laid. Because once you take away the white god factor, once I’m stripped of all my exotic value and placed back in a small U.S. town, I understand that it is still my willpower that gets me laid. No one can take away your irrational self confidence

   1. Irrational self confidence???
      Seems you have become too civilized ie emasculated. Why have you forgotten that should you choose to…. you could drag her back to your cave by her hair and have your way.

      1. I’m assuming you mean to be aggressive. I say irrational because unless you’re inventing electricity, we could all be a little more humble. But of course humility doesn’t get you laid

         1. No. I mean that you have an odd way of looking at things… is your bar the “invention of electricity”? If so then it’s way too high. No wonder you need to remind yourself you aren’t a “loser”

         2. I don’t think any man should ignore his critics completely. I’ll see what I can take from this.

7. This article is on point but I do read and gym regularly and have a very good job, however most of the “liberated” American women are disgusting in my eyes in the way they act these days. They are toxic cunts in the club and in the workplace, constantly trying to put men and other neutral women against each other. I cant stand their tone and demeanor and it angers me ever time I’m out talking to them, in fact some times it angers me just looking at them. Maybe I’m making excuses for myself but that is the reason I don’t approach them. I have decent game I think judging by my past relationships, but maybe foreign or domestic prostitutes are not such a bad alternative after all – that is if they let their manipulated husbands legalize prostitution that is…

   1. Prostitution in the west = beta guys paying women with the same disgusting attitudes for sex, which is even worse than gaming this type of women. The other types of prostitutes are just broken mentally in general with a history of abuse and I just feel sorry for them (not in a white knight kinda way).
      It’s alright to dismiss women altogether or to become a realist about their transient nature and not to deal with them at all, but becoming a woman hater will lead you to dark channels of the rapist / serial killer kind which is not what the manosphere is all about imo.

      1. No place for feminist warnings here. He’s just pissed (and for goo reason). There is no need for you to stretch it to “don’t be a serial killer.”

         1. Not a feminist warning, but edited out as it probably went too far.
            I’m mainly warning against letting hard realities in your home country affect your mindset in a negative way, as nothing good will come from it.
            Ignore women with bad attitudes, free yourself from the toxic pro-feminist corporations that empower them as much as possible and travel to greener pastures with realistic expectations (you’ll need game anywhere to keep a woman in check long term).

         2. Much better. And yes you’re original comment was feminist. Just own it and move on

      2. You took it out way out of context but my rant is not so much different in degree from what I have read from the other more active readers here. For the record I’ve never paid for it, and I know men who are much better than me with the opposite sex who have. Besides prostitution is a simple business transaction. Having sex with a prostitute might be fun to me but to her is a chore, whereas if a girl is constantly approached her ego will always go up as you are giving her what she always craves – attention.
         BTW in modern civilization most of the true alphas left are in jail…especially in the West and to the benefit of all. Don’t think that because you can go talk to 100 women a day and bed 5 that makes you an alpha. Our society has dissolved completely but not too long ago you would probably have gotten beat up by one of her brothers or father if you did that if not worse.

8. No problem getting pussy here. It more boils down to being a relationship. If more men find life better dealing with women overseas, more power to em. Like I mentioned on another article foreign women treat foreign better than men of their homeland. Of course this doesn’t apply to all.
    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VsAABpjEy5U

   1. Do not try this in the Philippines (i.e., try to steal a girl from someone already with a local). You will get shanked with a butterfly knife or worse….just disappear altogether.

      1. Lmao, wow.

      2. I believe that. I think that’s also part of the culture in every country with a Spanish heritage. Certain offences to someone’s honour are to be washed in blood, and they love their blades.

   2. That’s how that shit is done. Yet if a black guy tries this in America, he’d be called all sorts of pejoratives. I’m sure when enough white men steal and keep impregnating these Asian women, their men will start to think of the white equivalent of ‘nigger’. Lol… Job well done.

      1. That’s racist brah…. Jk… It was rude no matter what color of skin. That pale, scrawny bastard has to resort to stealing from other men to catch a whiff of vag. As a guest, you should have some respect for the locals, and find a woman that is at least single. No need for sniping, when there are 1 billion desperate chinese women around.

         1. Clearly he didn’t ‘steal’ anything. From the looks of it, she was begging to suck his cock. To steal in sexual terms is the equivalent of rape, and obviously she wanted it as the sky is blue. It’s not his fault if that Asian beta was bitched out by a scrawny foreigner, to the victor goes the spoils. I mean what’s the guy supposed to do anyway? Deny some cute Asian girl who was touching his dick because of the feelings of her beta enabler? Fuck him. Life is short and travelling expensive to give two shits about his feelings.

         2. Dead on. He’s a fucking stranger and more importantly, how does one steal a bitch in the first place? Is there a villain running around in a black cape and top hat, tying bitches to train tracks? I call bullshit.
            Sounds like another form of pedestalization to me and most the ‘men’ here showed their true colors after reading about the nature of female hypergamy. A lot of ‘Red Pill’ ‘men’ were indignant to say the least.
            If a bitch is good to go, she’s good to go. If you happen to wife one that respects you as little as the bird in this video, that’s your fucking problem.

         3. True. That chic definitely wasn’t getting stolen per se. She clearly wanted him. So on that count-hey whatever. However just on principle- a pussy ass ‘alpha’ do some shit like that with you standing there? I’m breaking his jaw on general principle. Fuck that! Then she can drive the ‘alpha’ to the hospital and they can be together after that.

         4. While it’s certainly true that the woman out on the town like that can’t be “stolen,” there is a bit of a logical disconnect that goes on here. On the one hand, a common refrain here is “women are on the level of children/animals/invalids” and then on the other hand any desire by any man to take this into account in terms of the logical need to safeguard a woman (from harming herself if she really is that stupid) is automatically ridiculed.
            It doesn’t make sense. You can’t, on the one hand, reduce women to the mental state of children (as many eagerly do here) and then in the next breath assign her full moral agency for her actions as though she were an adult male. It doesn’t add up. If women really are “like children,” it makes perfect sense for men to think that they sometimes need to treat them like children (even if they do this without even realizing it).
            I’m saying this as someone who thinks that the Asian guy in the video is beyond pathetic, just for the record.

         5. You’re confusing agency with “moral agency.” They’re actually two entirely different concepts. Do women have the capacity to act independently? Absolutely. Do women typically have diminished “moral agency” as well? I would say so, as would most men here. Pussy wants what pussy wants, sometimes regardless of who is affected.
            You’ll have to define “harming herself” before I can agree with you but if you agree with me thus far, you can understand why there are truly only three types of women who deserve (or rather are worth) safeguarding: A female member of your family, your wife and or the mother of your children. Everything else falls under ‘pedestalization,’ which warrants ridicule.

         6. “You’re confusing agency with “moral agency.” They’re actually
            two entirely different concepts. Do women have the capacity to act
            independently? Absolutely. Do women typically have diminished “moral
            agency” as well? I would say so, as would most men here. Pussy wants
            what pussy wants, sometimes regardless of who is affected.”
            I agree with you about agency and “diminished moral agency.” That’s a very good way to put it. But at the same time, I’m not confusing, anything. Simply writing “pussy wants what pussy wants” (whatever that means) doesn’t mitigate my point in the slightest. Which is that men here often ignore the logic that follows from women having a “diminished moral agency.” If they have even a “diminished” moral agency, simply saying “pussy wants what pussy wants” and anyone who gets in my way is the same as some white knight who thinks women are ethereal creatures of goodness who should always be honored is pure nonsense.
            “You’ll
            have to define “harming herself” before I can agree with you but if you
            agree with me thus far, you can understand why there are truly only
            three types of women who deserve (or rather are worth) safeguarding: A
            female member of your family, your wife and or the mother of your
            children. Everything else falls under ‘pedestalization,’ which warrants
            ridicule.”
            This is perhaps largely true for most people in the context of modern individualistic feminized liberal society. It’s perhaps mostly true in the context of the “dating scene” or hook up culture or whatever because the “scarcity mentality” is so ingrained. But there is no logical reason why the lines have to be drawn there. You’ve just decided to draw them there. Valuing something (in whatever way you value) it does not equal “you are a princess and deserve to be treated that way and I’ll make sure you get that kingdom you deserve.” I can value some woman as though she were my sister and not necessarily be pedestalizing her. Unless you’re going to redefine pedestalizing as something super generalized such as “any attempt at cockblocking.”
            But I would not say it’s some absolute that any man who effectively tries to regulate a woman’s behavior in the interest of her own well-being is a pedestalizer.
            I mean, if I don’t want someone fucking with my stuff…say keying my car or touching my laptop, does that mean I’m the same as some soulless materialistic yuppie snob who covets his personal possessions above all else? You ignore Will and principle, here. Maybe I actually have a female friend that I legitimately don’t want to see get fucked over? I know that’s hard for this corner of the internet to comprehend at times. But these sincere (nonsexual) feelings DO exist.
            I’d argue that there were many men in the past who safeguarded (their) women (they’re valuable resource) and were by no means “pedestalizing” them. Simply because a man wants something and doesn’t want other men to have does not necessarily men does not necessarily mean that he’s bolstering the female in question up to some ethereal realm of goodness and cosmic importance relative to other things.

         7. Simply writing “pussy wants what pussy wants” (whatever that means) doesn’t mitigate my point in the slightest.

            It absolutely does. Would a man, with dignity, save a skank who doesn’t want him or his help? Even if she doesn’t fall into one of categories I listed? Does the Asian gentleman (in the video above) not look foolish?
            Cock blocking isn’t the issue, pedestalization is.

            there is no logical reason why the lines have to be drawn there. You’ve just decided to draw them there. Valuing something (in whatever way you value) does not equal “you are a princess and deserve to be treated that way and I’ll make sure you get that kingdom you deserve.” I can value some woman as though she were my sister and not necessarily be “pedestalizing” her.

            That’s certainly one, very tender, way of looking at it. The only thing I would ask is: Why? Why create value where there is none? Where there is no direct benefit or vested interest for either party? Is this not pedestalization?

            I generally agree with the sentiment that women reap what they sow. But I reject the logic that says that anyone who doesn’t accept your reductionism is somehow by default a “pedestalizer.”

            They are absolutely pedestalizers. Look, I’m a realist; Not a relativist and definitely not a fucking idealist. So, if my logic seems black and white, it’s probably because I look for externally true meanings.
            That said, you’ve yet to provide a single, pragmatic reason why a man would need to regulate the behavior of strangers and women with no vested interest in his success or well-being.

            I mean, if I don’t want someone fucking with my stuff…say keying my car or touching my laptop, does that mean I’m the same as some soulless materialistic yuppie snob who covets his personal possessions above all else?

            Well, cars and laptops are inanimate objects, with no principles or agency to speak of. Which is a little different than living, breathing beings, which aren’t typically considered personal belongings.
            Either way, I’m old school in the sense that I don’t carry on with women who aren’t at least ‘friends of the family’ so I may not ever relate to a man with tender yet non-sexual relationships with women but to each it’s own.
            If a woman you feel tender towards (who may not be of blood relation) is making bad decisions I don’t see why you shouldn’t ‘look out’ for her. Just don’t be surprised when she disregards how you feel.

            Simply because a man wants something and doesn’t want other men to have it does not necessarily men does not necessarily mean that he’s bolstering the female in question up to some ethereal realm of goodness and cosmic importance relative to other things.

            It does if she doesn’t want you.

         8. “It
            absolutely does. Would a man, with dignity, save a skank who doesn’t
            want him or his help?”
            You’re basically asking me why any man would ever care about the greater good of something beyond himself. I can certainly see reasons why he would that have nothing to do with him being a “bitter beta” or a white knight or whatever.
            I fully concede that just about any men who feigns to care about this greater good is indeed a “bitter beta” or a white knight. But simply because most men are opportunistic and selfish and small in vision doesn’t mean that all men are or have been necessarily built that way.
            Your assumptions, again, seem to take liberalism/individualism as some axiomatic given.
            “Even if she doesn’t fall into one of categories I
            listed? Does the Asian gentleman (in the video above) not look foolish?”
            Of course he does. I don’t ever recall defending his case. And if you mistake me for doing so, my point has gone completely over your head.
            “That’s certainly one, very tender,
            way of looking at it.”
            It’s only “tender” because you’re projecting a psychological trait onto me for having broken from the herd mentality on this site. If I break with that herd mentality, you assume that my psychology/motives what have you are congruent with those of the pathetic Asian or someone who doesn’t see most women for the whores that they are.
            “The only thing I would ask is: Why? Why create
            value where there is none? Where there is no direct benefit or vested
            interest for either party? Is this not pedestalization?”
            I would certainly say that it depends on the MO. You’re trying to make iron clad rules out of huge generalizations that lack much needed context to judge if something is pedestalized. I always thought that pedestalizing women had to do with overvaluing their importance in various ways while eliminating all moral agency from them from the equation and transferring all of the moral agency unfairly onto men. You’re defining “value” in a very broken down, atomized libertarian “I only mind my own business” sort of way. It’s hard for to me put a direct personal value on living in a clean safe community. But I value it.
            Does the notion of valuing things beyond a strictly personal level confound you?
            “They are absolutely pedestalizers. Look, I’m a realist; Not a relativist and definitely not a fucking idealist.”
            I understand. I’m a realist, too. I just don’t do what most “I’m a realist” types do–which is use that line as excuse to lower or justify lower standards of conduct or even to claim that those lowered standards are thus “good.”
            You’re trying to make the world more simple than it is. And I think you have a personal motive for doing this.
            “So, if my logic seems black and white, it’s probably because I look for externally true meanings.”
            I think your logic is black or white because you, like most men, want to put women into simple categories so you can justify your own base motives with them. Given the way women behave, it’s certainly understandable. I’m not here to finger wag and I’m not even here to pretend that I’m above such behavior myself.
            But unlike other men, I don’t pretend that my moral failings are not really failings or even do what some men and make virtues out of them!
            “That said, you’ve yet to provide a single, pragmatic reason why a man would need to regulate the behavior of strangers and women with no vested interest in his success or well-being.”
            Again, you’re taking society as a given edifice. As something that will always remain stable and exist. Which is actually something that women tend to do. That are many reasons people have cared about regulating the behavior of others that have little to do with “tender” feelings.
            “Well, cars and laptops are inanimate
            objects, with no principles or agency to speak of. Which is a little
            different than living, breathing beings, who aren’t typically considered
            personal belongings.”
            That distinction had nothing to do with my point. But it’s nice to get reminders that my laptop and car aren’t people. Thank you for that.

         9. You’re basically asking me why any man would ever care about the greater good of something beyond himself. I can certainly see reasons why he would that have nothing to do with him being a “bitter beta” or a white knight or whatever.

            Okay, I’ll bite: What are those reasons? I’m sensing a strong confirmation bias so I want to understand these ideas you’ve idealized and are now attempting to substantiate with even more idealism. You’re averaging ≈4k characters a post but have been very vague in this regard. You’ve yet to define the “greater good,” “Something beyond himself” is “beyond” ambiguous and both are platitudes to begin with. Be more concise.

            Your assumptions, again, seem to take liberalism/individualism as some axiomatic given. As though individualized transactions of a selfish limited nature accounted for all of reality.

            No, sorry. You’ve made those attributions on your own. I just wonder why you would hold yourself personally responsible for the actions of women who don’t care for you or your opinions? Simple question yet you’ve danced around it and others.

            Of course he does. I don’t ever recall defending his case. And if you mistake me for doing so, my point has gone completely over your head.

            Are you surprised? Brevity isn’t exactly your strong suit.

            It’s only “tender” because you’re projecting a psychological trait onto me for having broken from the herd mentality on this site. If I break with that herd mentality, you assume that my psychology/motives what have you are congruent with those of the pathetic Asian or someone who doesn’t see most women for the whores that they are.

            No, it’s tender because I thought it was a sweet thing to say.

            I would certainly say that it depends on the MO. You’re trying to make iron clad rules out of huge generalizations that lack much needed context to judge if something is pedestalized. I always thought that pedestalizing women had to do with overvaluing their importance in various ways while eliminating all moral agency from them from the equation and transferring all of the moral agency unfairly onto men. You’re defining “value” in a very broken down, atomized libertarian “I only mind my own business” sort of way. It’s hard for to me put a direct personal value on living in a clean safe community. But I value it. Does the notion of valuing things beyond a strictly personal level confound you?

            If I’m trying to do anything, it’s get a straight answer out of you.
            First and foremost, I’m unsure what a “clean safe community” has to do with anything but I would suggest Googling the definition of ‘value.’ We can’t even debate its meaning as it’s not even a moot point. I’m afraid you’re overtheorizing as usual.
            Secondly, if it “depends” at least say on what? Again, you’re averaging ≈4k characters a post and yet have been very vague thus far. Under what conditions would you personally consider a woman valuable enough to “safeguard” even if there is no direct benefit or vested interest on your end?

            I understand. I’m a realist, too. I just don’t do what most “I’m a realist” types do–which is use that line as excuse to lower standards or justify lower standards of conduct or even to claim that those lowered standards are thus “good.” You’re trying to make the world more simple than it is. And I think you have a personal motive for doing this.

            I’m sorry but we are nothing alike. You are absolutely an idealist, whether you choose to admit it or not. I suspect this is why you choose to project your “personal motives” onto me for choosing not to make my life more complicated than it has to be, by caring for women I’m not required to care for, for some quixotic “greater good.”
            I read the rest of your response out of respect but honestly, none of it merits a response. The catty barbs are cute but you’ve opted to nitpick my responses in lieu of answering a single question. It’s clear you have a bias or you wouldn’t have responded. What is it? If you can’t be bothered to answer ONE question I won’t even bother replying.

      2. Point taken. To a degree. As a “racist,” it’s not like I approve of everything all white men do.
         First of all, all three of them are a bit pathetic to me. It’s just a sad sight for a variety of reasons.
         How many white men leave Asian women in worse off shape? Not so many when you compare this to how many black men have a negative influence on white women. It’s nothing to read about black boyfriends shooting/stabbing their white girlfriends to death. Then there are the bastard children that they leave behind. White men generally behave a bit more honorably towards other women even if I generally frown on miscegenation in any form, myself.

         1. I’m black and I can totally see how one would consider race and even take a hard look at the stats that are out there on any group and how that might prejudice one’s feelings/thoughts/ et al as far as dealing with a member of said group is concerned. I would hope you don’t do it wholesale and without exception though or you will be burned. Like feeling good about the Asian dating your sister and that Asian turn out to be an abuser. But I see your overall point and we all have prejudice or that is pre-judge others and most of the time it’s a smart thing to do. It’s really just survival. However, up to a point. where it gets over the line is when one goes to extremes. Extremes in anything are rarely good. Balance is needed in pretty much everything. Like one might, and with good reason in today’s society in the states, think of a black man as more likely to be violent. ok fine given the recent stats. But if I were to look at violence historically and on a macro scale, no one comes close to white men as far as whole scale, sweeping violence. Not to mention most of your serial killers and people who eat others in this nation are white. would it be logical for me to think that the avg white guy is a serial killer or a cannibal? no. Do I think you are racist b/c you choose to stick to your own race and want your sister to do the same? no. I totally understand and don’t think of anyone as racist b/c they only date or wanna live around their own. Where it gets to where I would “vilify” it is when you allow that choice to fuel some hatred and then you go out indiscriminately aggressing, hurting, attacking persons who have done nothing to you at all just b/c they are of a certain group. In that case, those kinds of idiots will be vilified-not really b/c they hold racist views (that’s their prerogative and right) but b/c they are nothing but low-life criminals who should be dealt with with extreme prejudice same as any man would bandits breaking into his home and onto his property to bring harm. Extreme prejudice.

         2. “I’m black and I can totally see how one would consider race and even
            take a hard look at the stats that are out there on any group and how
            that might prejudice one’s feelings/thoughts/ et al as far as dealing
            with a member of said group is concerned.”
            I think most actually think this way. But most people lack your honesty for either reasons concerning ego or for fear of losing social status by getting stuck with being “the racist.” Michael Richards comes to mind. Does anyone really believe that he hate hates hates black people? I really doubt it. He OFFENDED black people and that MUST mean he hates them via the “progressive” anti-white logic.
            “I would hope you don’t do it
            wholesale and without exception though or you will be burned.”
            I try to treat individuals like individuals. However, the context can determine how much I have to rely on stereotypes. It really depends. I understand what you’re saying here and can appreciate that much.
            “Like
            feeling good about the Asian dating your sister and that Asian turn out
            to be an abuser.”
            Sure. But if you’re just asking me in the abstract who I prefer she date: black or Asian? I’d say the latter. Just like if I asked you in the abstract who you’d rather have on a basketball or football team: black or Asian? You’d say the former. And so would I.
            “But I see your overall point and we all have prejudice
            or that is pre-judge others and most of the time it’s a smart thing to
            do. It’s really just survival. However, up to a point.”
            Sure.
            “where it gets
            over the line is when one goes to extremes. Extremes in anything are
            rarely good. Balance is needed in pretty much everything.”
            Again, I agree in spirit. But the devil is in the details. We don’t all agree on what constitutes “balance” and what constitutes “extremes.” But the general philosophy of what you’re saying is apt, I think.
            “Like one
            might, and with good reason in today’s society in the states, think of a
            black man as more likely to be violent. ok fine given the recent stats.
            But if I were to look at violence historically and on a macro scale, no
            one comes close to white men as far as whole scale,”
            You’re losing me here, chief. First of all, without getting into a history debate with you, I’ll just say I disagree with your factual assertion. And secondly, context matters. Men being violent in the context of feuding (wars) with outsiders is completely different from crime. Not all violence is the same. The context surrounding the violence matters in terms of how you judge it. I don’t equate Spartan Generals with bank robbers and I don’t equate Spanish explorers with back alley rapists.
            “Not to mention most of your serial killers and people who eat others in
            this nation are white.”
            This is a thing I constantly see black people claiming and there is never any evidence. If most are indeed white that is still meaningless if you’re just talking about the U.S. and not giving me some per capita numbers.
            “would it be logical for me to think that the avg
            white guy is a serial killer or a cannibal? no.”
            Black people WANT to live in white areas. “Minorities” follow us. Whites are generally (and justifiably) afraid or uneasy around non-white areas; that’s a HUGE distinction.
            “Do I think you are
            racist b/c you choose to stick to your own race and want your sister to
            do the same? no. I totally understand and don’t think of anyone as
            racist b/c they only date or wanna live around their own.”
            That makes you sane in this respect in an increasingly insane world.
            “Where it gets
            to where I would “vilify” it is when you allow that choice to fuel some
            hatred and then you go out indiscriminately aggressing, hurting,
            attacking persons who have done nothing to you at all just b/c they are
            of a certain group.”
            Most “white racists” are like me. They acknowledge the honest truth about race; are vilified for their sincerity by those who think everyone has a moral imperative to interpret the world through the liberal/”progressive” prism; and some of them even go so far as to say that they want their race and culture to live on.
            The idea that most white “racists” are curb-stomping “neo-Nazis” a la that Edward Norton movie is based more in fantasy and projection than anything that actually plays out in reality. Again, there are very few majority white areas (even if there are some) where nonwhites seem to be afraid to venturing into. Non-whites go to great lengths to leave their own shithole countries and then settle in white countries and benefit from doing so while at the same time vilifying the people who created the countries whose wealth and opportunity they’re enjoying. It’s a bit aggravating.
            “In that case, those kinds of idiots will be
            vilified-not really b/c they hold racist views (that’s their prerogative
            and right) but b/c they are nothing but low-life criminals who should
            be dealt with with extreme prejudice same as any man would bandits
            breaking into his home and onto his property to bring harm. Extreme
            prejudice.”
            Would you say that the Nation Of Islam is extreme? Many man blacks wouldn’t. Nor would they have to fear some social stigma for saying that they agree with the NOI. Whites, in contrast, have to walk on pins and needles in public. The people you are describing are more a figment of imagination than any real threat despite left wingers’ insistence that “rampant white racism” is everywhere and is a huge threat.
            I appreciate your thoughtful reply. Take care.

         3. Ok. See I like honesty from people. I’m the kind of man-black man who likes open and honest dialogue whether I agree or not it’s all good. A lot of what you say, we really jibe well on. It kind of reminds me of the not oft remembered historical moments where a so-called black racist named Malcolm X met with a leader of the KKK and they agreed on a lot(not all obviously) and had mutual respect for one another as men. They could actually relate as crazy as that may seem to most. I am no democrat or liberal. I am totally independent. the Republican, for the most part, is a wolf and a democrat, for the most part, is a fox. I don’t really trust govt or politicians. That’s pretty much where I’m coming from. So, I pretty much can see where a lot of these “crazy right wing groups” are coming from on a lot of their views and issues (central bank, banksters, NWO, need for smaller government, etc) Of course, again, there are places where we would obviously differ. I say that with no emotion. I say it like I say the sun is hot. I tend to look at similarities and commonground where possible.
            Like with Malcolm and the KKK meeting, one issue that they had in common was the desire for a separate land where people could cohabitate with their own people. Racist? nope. Before I go any further, yes, I voted for Obama (shocker!) not b/c I think anything of him or any other politician, I know they are puppets ruled by the shadow govt, etc, etc. No. I voted for him b/c he’s black. I voted for him b/c of the psychological impact it would have on not just most blacks but on many others too. The symbol of it. I’m not under any illusions in reality though nor do I think he or any other politician is my savior or anything of the sort. That is a whole other post though.
            I have to speak on this “white rampant racism” that you say many “left wingers” say exists. For me it’s different b/c I don’t think the way these people do. I would rather, in many ways, deal with a “wolf”(those who are open and frank) than a “fox” (liberals who pose as a benefactor). At least I know where I stand with the “wolf”. I went into the military at the age of 17 (I was young and had a lot to learn-work with me here). Although I have many different views now than I did then-it was a good experience for me overall on a personal level. I got to live with a lot of different guys from all walks. the activities were masculine. We ran as a pack with a hierarcy. We got into disputes and handled them as men. I learned to handle weapons and learned a bit of tactics. One of the best guys I knew and hung around was a white guy who-he and I had an unspoken agreement. we always were straight up with one another. we could tell jokes and talk about race and topics with no filter and no one was crying about it. We had that relationship but we also were real and didn’t agree all the time. That’s real. I always remember that.
            Anyway, to answer some of your rebuttal. Do I think that the Nation of Islam is extreme? Yes , I do think they are extreme. However I must fill that in with this. It’s kind of like if your child was in a burning car and you had to run through 10 people to get to the car to save them. You might punch some people, shove some people, knock some down and then smash the window to get them out. That would be extreme. Only b/c the situation out of which those actions was born was also extreme. So yes, the Nation of Islam is extreme but so is the situation out of which they were produced. You don’t have a Malcolm X, a Black panthers, etc without extreme conditions like discrimination, lynchings, Jim Crow, etc. Extremes make extremes. Understand this is no excuse b/c none is needed. It is what it is. I don’t, however, unlike say the KKK, remember the Nation of Islam or Malcolm X or Farrakhan ever being cited for lynching or killing a white person in their history. So their actions are not extreme to me. This doesn’t mean I don’t see how whites may hear them say that the “white man is the devil” and say they are racist ro extreme. I could see how they would. That’s why I specified extreme to mean actions of aggression, violence, etc against a group just b/c they were of that group. this is not the case with the Nation of Islam.
            I think that Jesse Jackson and co and those types are attention whores and media whores -they incite nothing but reactionary responses, Kind of like Pavlov’s experiment only with too many blacks enabled and driven by media. It’s sickening to me. Proactive measures are needed and this is what they, the “black leaders” are doing. Many “white Leaders” are no better. They waste time blaming the” dark people” for all their woes and cry about wanting “their” country back. What a joke. Both groups, the masses of blacks who act like sheep and the reactionary right wing whites are actually peas of a pod. One and the same. Just in different hues. The both need to be proactive, get off their asses, shut up about other people and acting like others owe you something or others determine your destiny. Both groups play the “race card” when convenient.
            As to violence, wanton violence in definitely not been cornered by blacks although I would be disingenuous if I acted like there wasn’t a serious problem per-capita in this country. However, let’s not forget that most violence that occurs is race on race. Your daughter is far more likely to be raped or killed by a white dude; mine by a black dude. a white man is most times killed by another white man and black men by black men. Fact. Also, show me where most serial killers are not white in this country.
            Violence, for the most part, Is violence. War, in many cases is just a codeword for killing people b/c you wanna take what’s theirs. Let’s not romanticize it. Just b/c it’s the Mongols or the Vikings or the Spartans or the Zulus or the Hutus that are doing it. It’s pretty much just killing. Oh and let’s not forget all the raping and pillaging that goes along with that. That’s not alpha at all. Now, I’m no pacifist- I believe in self-defense and sometimes you need to defend you and yours. but most of these wars and those who fought them are put on a pedestal and made out to be these heroes when they were just merceneries-many of them. black, white, red. How that’s viewed is a function of the books you read which were written by the same people who did it so of course they are going to write the story glowingly about themselves.
            The white mauraders are going to write of themselves as “honest people just looking for a better place” and lo and behold they had to fight off the big bad “savage Indians”. this is a common device used by those who encroached on others territory and need to make them out to be “animals” or “terrorists” or “savages” in order to justify their actions in going in there. How would the story be written from a so called Indian writer’s perspective? I bet in that story the invading whites would be cast as the “savages” bringing disease and violence, etc. A white writer, wrote a book called “A people’s history”. It chronicles a different tale from what I heard in school. At any rate, why would I accept the version that the so-called Indians are “savages”? Just b/c someone of the same group (who was probably taught this at school-indoctrinated) who invaded says so? I accept that like I accepted the govt saying there were WMD’s in Iraq. It’s literally whitewashed history-HIS-story.
            I do think that a lot of people, white, black and otherwise are racist. Yup. me too. It’s natural. I don’t view it in the oft thought of way that many do in this country.I view racism as self preservation mostly. Of course you get people who prey upon this and insert self-serving agendas , ego, etc into it. They usually start to use over the top shaming and over the top name-calling to mobilize their respective base. This is done by all races. All of them. The charismatic leaders then enrich themselves with money, fame, both or other things in the process while the rank and file, who mean well, never prosper and are used as pawns.
            I view most white racism as a defense mechanism for a group that is dwindling in numbers even in this country. the people of color populations are growing. thus this fear of the brown people coming over the border. that’s why on a biological level this pushes an emotional button in a lot of whites kinda like the Trayvon case did for a lot of blacks. Not me though. I’m not a reactionary. In this case though, I think whites’ fears on that are founded. It’s projected that in the not-too-far future whites will be a minority in THIS country. Wow. Imagine that. Mexicans and others will refer to whites as “those minorities” . I can see all the right wing groups holed up in places like Wyoming now with caches of weapons waiting for a “race war”. Oh come come now. This is the same stuff many black radical groups talk of. All of them missing that we have all been played by the real govt behind the scenes engineering all this and plotting NWO. I’m not fooled but I understand why many whites are and blacks are and why many whites are fear based. They just keep inventing more boogeymen like the Mexicans taking over or before that blacks or now it’s the Arabs. Hilarity. People just don’t see for all the fear mongering.
            Racism is akin to an organism defending itself against what it senses as an attack on its very existence. everything has a reason and that’s what I believe is it’s core reason. This is why many of the right wing types (and I understand their concerns) do not like race mixing and want to keep their race “pure”. I’m no advocate of it but I know that it will happen as long as all kinds of people mingle together. If blacks and whites continually mixed-the white race would be extinct -they would all be black like other people of “mixed” backgrounds like Bob Marley and Obama. So I understand why they are against it. I don’t blame them. It is racist in the liberal sense? not to me. Is it racist in terms of self-preservation or the” I want to preserve my group, my organism, my culture sense? Yes, it is. And that to me I understand and respect. If I were white, I would feel the same. As I said, as long as no one is aggressing against me just for me being who I am, we’re good. I hope people can have their own places and live in peace together. Somehow I don’t feel it can happen that smoothly though.
            Blacks moving to white countries, yeah it happens. but let’s not forget how whites couldn’t leave black nations and others alone. they had to come invading , messing up things en masse and even bringing blacks to other nations (yes, I know some Africans had to do with this too and I don’t excuse them either but right now I’m talking about the whites in question). Then they turn around and ruin the continent and then complain about blacks being here in this country. Come on. Am I missing something here? If you don’t want someone around, don’t bring them to where you are. Makes sense. Not to them though.
            Don’t think that Africa is ruled by blacks. It’s a complicated story for another time, but it’s like Saying Obama rules the country like a King. He’s just a puppet as are most African leaders. What ones aren’t and wont kiss the west’s ass-they villainize and put sanctions on them and essentially starve the country and then turn around and say look at how poor it is there. Funny. This is just a couple of the nations, most of them are owned by European interests that run these countries like banana republics. they have since the Berlin conference.
            War and these Spartans and others mostly are beta because these are otherwise strong men with a lot of heart but manipulated and sent to war by ultra rich men who lied to them and used them like pawns for their own gain and then buries them with a crisply folded flag and call them “heroes”. Beta one and all. Maybe not inherently, but that’s how they were utilized.
            Maybe one day we all will see that we aren’t one another’s enemies. I hope that awakening will come but I aint holding my breath right now. too many people of all colors are ultimately blind deaf and dumb. Mislead by well meaning people who are just ignorant to the bigger picture or knowingly used like pawns on a chessboard. Hey I know this was a bit long but I appreciate your rebuttal and the dialogue. Man, there’s so much more we can talk about on this topic. I know we won’t agree on every thing and that’s alright but we at least agree on one ism and it’s poison needing to be eradicated-feminism. Keep pushing on. Have fun. Travel. Meet pretty ladies. Bang on-literally. I respect you for loving who you are and your people as I do mine. That said, I respect all stand up people of all groups whose eyes are open to the bigger picture. Respect.

   3. Amazing video… can’t believe those white dudes just AMOGed those Chinese dudes so easily…
      Why did that Chinese dude stand there with his back turned while this white guy was manhandling his girl? Why didn’t he punch him in the face??? What is in the head of the average Chinese man?

      1. He’s not an average chinese guy and is probably from HK or Singapore where guys are soft. Mainlanders don’t fuck around and all his buddies would come around quickly to beat you up in a not so fair fight if you tried that in China.
         The maker of the vid explained that she had met this guy only shortly before his friend gamed her, which explains his lack of interest in fighting for her.

         1. Fair enough… I skipped to the part where stuff was happening. I just assumed the Asian dude was her bf considering he held her hand the whole time.
            Thanks for the tip… usually even a soft man will bubble up if he were to be disrespected so blatantly.

         2. A one on one confrontation is very unlikely to happen anywhere in Asia, as they like to feel on the safe side by going against you with buddies (who are normally around), but HK and Singapore are exceptions and guys with money generally associate fighting with poor people and would never get involved in a fight (especially if they’re outnumbered).

      2. To be honest, even the white guy looks weak to me, physically speaking. It’s like his balls just dropped and he managed to score some mediocre HK chick.

         1. That’s all it takes. As I am sure that you are aware, a lot of Asian chicks tend to have a White/Westerner fetish. It could also be argued that the skinny boy look is seen as more attractive in Asia, and being a slim, muscular guy can work out better than being a “meathead”, for lack of a better term.
            It worked for me (the skinny muscular thing, not being White), at least. When I touched down in China, I was on swole, but I got sick and slimmed down. I got more püh looking frail and half-starved (but with visible muscle definition leftover from working out) than i have at any other point in my life.

      3. “Don’t rock the boat” is always foremost in their minds. Which is also why east asians are uncreative and don’t invent anything compared to the Western world (US, UK, etc).

   4. You’re not kidding. A lot of these foreign women could make a living teaching Method acting in the states.
      

9. Thing is, a white guy with no game in the Philippines will meet women sooner or later, perhaps not at the rate of a seasoned player. But he will be satisfied with what he gets, because its still a whole lot more than what he will get back home

   1. The caveat is though that women that will approach the gameless guy are highly likely to game him short or long term.
      There is no substitute for game if you want to be a man.
      Pussy whipped nice guys will watch her turn into a bitch really quick.
      Her cultural background will make things easy for him for a while but no woman tolerates a spineless guy long term that doesn’t lead her, no matter where she’s from.

      1. We’re talking about “gameless” not “spineless” guys. There’s a difference. Most men are gameless because they have not been taught and the requirements these days are huge for a good “gamer”. Most men however do have spine (still) because its a skill you learn. Just because you dont master roosh great variety of different games for different situations (clown game, mimitw game etc etc) doesnt mean any woman can walk all over you. Especially if you suddenly are in an environment that gives you many more options and thus the power to say fuck you to girls who dont behave.

         1. It’s just my personal experience in south east asia that many gameless guys with plenty of option will turn into the bitch of the first girl they get with due to years of pedestalizing brainwashing in the west.
            I would not call them spineless in general, just when it comes to women.

10. How thought provoking you mention Philippines, Russia and Brazil in the same sentence, I can tell you that Russians are a fuck to actually get for a one night stand, especially compared to the other earlier mentioned.

11. I’m not so sure about this. In his book “The Rantings of a Single Male”, Tom Ellis describes how the women in foreign countries were friendly, domesticated people who would pursue him and buy him drinks. It didn’t sound like it took too much effort – certainly not as much effort as it takes to corral a flakey, narcissistic Western woman.
    Like I said before, as a proud American, it depresses me to put foreign women above my country’s women, but I have no choice at this point.

    1. Traditional women in foreign countries are generally shy (as a traditional woman should be), won’t approach you and will just give you IOIs.
       If you expect to go to a club anywhere in Asia and have women approach you or buy you drinks is just not gonna happen. That’s a beta fantasy.
       Your value is high but you still need to put in the man’s work unless you only want to deal with hookers.

       1. The first time that I went to Japan, I expected it to happen given what I had read about Japan. It didn’t happen there, and I actually found women difficult to approach there, even in clubs.
          In China, people did indeed come up to me in clubs and offered me free drinks. A few times, girls grabbed me and wanted me to drink with them (but this happened after I was seen talking with or hanging out with other groups that had invited me to drink with them). This group of dudes from Denmark said that they got free shit everywhere for being White. So yes, it does happen, it’s just not a guarantee.
          However, I must say that between the time that I went to Japan and the time that went to China I transformed from a skinny-fat dweeb to a muscular (though still slender) physique. I could still be classified as an introverted nerd though.

          1. In China in my experience it’s mainly about gaining face by being seen with a foreigner in second tier and below cities where there are virtually none aside from a couple English teachers, but that generally doesn’t translate into easy poon.
             Free alcohol for white guys is pretty common, but I feel like a zoo animal in those clubs (and in general in those cities). In Shanghai and Beijing it’s much easier to deal with people on a more even level, which I prefer, but you might have it harder as a black guy in some clubs, as there are quite a few african drug dealers that approach very aggressively and have a bad rep for that.
             I never had much luck in Japan night game wise, but my japanese is limited to a couple phrases. A girl that shot me down for speaking insufficient japanese got on pretty well with an English teacher who dressed like crap and had zero game but spoke fluent japanese, so I guess that makes the main difference.
             http://www.amazon.com/Black-Passenger-Yellow-Cabs-Excess-ebook/dp/B001F0RKXE can give you an idea what’s possible for a black guy in Japan btw.

          2. As a Black man, I’ll probably be seen as a zoo animal everywhere I go in China, so if it comes with free drinks and a bit of tang, I’ll take it. I spent most of my time in Guangzhou and Xi’an, with a side venture to Changsha. I didn’t make it up to Beijing or Shanghai, and I hear conflicting reports.
             I’ve known about that book for quite a few years, but never read it all the way through. The author seemed to have a thing for fat chicks and ugly girls though from what I remember. I could do better doing my own thing; maybe I’d have a better time in Japan now because I have developed my mind and body a bit more since I was out there last. “Day game at night” seemed to work best for me when I was in Japan.

12. YES. Thanks Matt for writing this. Way too many guys think that chicks are easy “over there,” and they haven’t a clue that if they’re a dweeb at home, they’re still a dweeb abroad. I can attest to this firsthand after living in an Asian country for 6 years.
    Fix your shit at home first, then look for love elsewhere.

13. I have observed that it’s actually easier to get laid in the USA because the standards are lower.
    You know what a hard place to get laid in was (IMO)? Italy. It seemed as if they were all hung up on the pope and didn’t start dating until they were 40.

    1. I’m Italian and I can confirm. Italy is one of the worst countries in the world to get laid and the girls are entitled as fuck

       1. Italy, would be the crucible of crucibles for cocksmanship. If your prices weren’t inflated due to the Euro, I would be interested in heading back to test the waters and myself. When the lire was still the currency, I went as a teenager, and lived like a king. Got caught up in a class trip from Denmark, and had a blast. That was pre 9/11 & as an American, we almost had default rock star status. If not for other European tourists, it would have been a rough trip. The native women had impenetrable bitch shields and were stone cold. George Clooney game would be an absolute necessity.

          1. I have lived in this country long enough to 1) fine-tune my game, out of necessity more than anything else and 2) realize I don’t want to live the rest of my life dealing with Italian women and their impossibly high standards. I love traveling, I’m interested in foreign cultures and I have long since decided that I want to relocate abroad. I had a good time in Romania last year, but I’m dying to go to Asia and see how far my skills can get me over there. I’ll start with Thailand and the Philippines later this year, than move to Indonesia, China and Korea. I’m literally dying with anticipation lol, I can already smell all the poon

          2. Don’t sleep on the US, sure there are a bunch of fatties, but Italians have more exotic panache than maybe any other nationality. You could clean up in 2nd tier American cities, with the upper echelon. All you need is your accent, passport, and a reasonably fit appearance. With all of that, there isn’t an easier place to get laid.

          3. I’m more into Asian then Western girls, but thanks, I’ll keep that in mind. I’ve always wanted to visit the US for reasons other than women. If I can get laid while at that, that’s even better.

       2. Well, somebody must do the fucking over there.

14. That’s not really true.
    I’ve seen plenty of skinny, nerdy white guys with zero game and beta balding mid level managers getting a better looking girls in China than they’d ever get in their home country (save for comp sci majors who got with a first generation ABC as chinese girls are usually the only women majoring in comp sci), but obviously any non alpha male will quickly end up in a low to no sex relationship, as nothing turns a girl off more than a guy who isn’t a strong leader.
    Chinese girls place a low value on sex though, so it’s no big deal for them.
    It should therefore rather be “if you want ONS or consistent sex in a relationship you got to man up or it won’t happen anywhere in the world”.
    Being somewhere where I felt attractive to the local girls definitely helped me to develop my game. I had zero before as privileged white girls just turn me off in general.
    Guys like the guy in your story usually take some time to adjust and I was once like him. There are others as well that figure they can’t be bothered with women in general though once they’re easily available.

    1. The dude that he described was most likely at the wrong venue. He was an introvert in a PACKED CLUB (no-no)! Now his day game could be another story if it was just him and a girl talking, besides conversating with loud drunk people crowded into one place. Daytime is where he could have improved his game. It really makes no sense for him to go where he is uncomfortable. People picked up on the vibe he was giving.

15. If you can’t bang a 6 in your home country, you won’t bang a 6 in Philippines or Poland.
    If you make the [brutal] effort to learn Game in a westernized city, it will be easier to run Game in a non-westernized city.

    1. Not true about the phils, where girls make it really easy for guys without game in second tier cities and lower.
       Never been to Poland, but guys scared of white girls will probably be scared of polish ones too.

    2. My experiences and observations (in Japan and China) say otherwise. One’s scale of what a “6” is is also a factor in the argument.

       1. While beauty may be subjective, the effort and Game invested per bang are measurable.
          Banging a 6 in California may very well require the effort of banging a 7.5 in non-western countries.

16. So PUAs should practice game with repulsive women in the Anglosphere
    in order to improve their skills abroad.
    For some reason, whenever I see men pursuing westernized women. I’m
    reminded of a flock of seagulls who are fighting for scraps of rancid food
    inside a trashbin.

    1. I wouldn’t recommend it either, especially if you’re skinny (which a guesstimated 95% of all white girls will shoot you down for unless you got serious game or wealth).
       Just be un-brainwash yourself, learn to improve yourself for yourself, study the true nature of women (CH is a good resource) and just go with the flow when it comes to approaching in your preferred destination – no need for fancy lines or magic trick clownery.
       No thai girl or filipina that doesn’t come accross as a huge bitch to begin with would ever think of shooting you down in a white girl’s self entitled “who do you even think you are to talk to me” fashion. A calm indirect dismissal or her looking a bit scared of you is the worst you can expect if you don’t come off really weird.

       1. The ‘inflation’ of steroids and lifting weights among men has become fucking absurd.
          I’m 5’10, 170 and girls call me skinny for some reason. In reality, that’s a pretty normal sized man. But now every motherfucker weighs 200+ so normal size is now ‘skinny’. Id rather be a skinny dude with game instead of some 210lb dude lifting weights all the time to get laid. Theres so many fat motherfuckers (male and female) who go around and deem others ‘skinny’ like its a bad thing.

          1. Yes 170 lbs is the perfect weight (imo) for a 5’10 male. Problem is due to obesity a lean muscled man looks skinny.

          2. As one of those big, weightlifting motherfuckers, I have to say that strangely, I completely agree with you LOL.
             Oh and btw, I’m MGTOW: all women are completely worthless, save for the fuckhole they’ve got. It’s a strange thing to witness a PUA advocate for the possibility of a serious relationship with a woman, LOL. Cognitive dissonance, anyone?

          3. I’ve been lifting weights for a long time, its a hobby. More of a way to relieve stress after a long days work. I don’t talk about it ever, just keep it to myself.
             I have to agree, ever since social media became a thing…there was a exponential increase in the amount of people working out. Now that’s not a bad thing, however it led to the whole talking about working out and everything that your complaining about.
             Some people can’t just workout, they have to talk about it, take pictures of it, and view others who don’t as below them. It’s stupid.

          4. Really? I am 5’11” and the same weight and I’m a rail!

       2. Believe me, you’re not missing anything. Gaming some globby heap of tattooed putrefaction – who has lost any vestige of sweetness or femininity – is about the most self-denigrating act any man can perform.

       3. I wouldn’t recommend it either, especially if you’re skinny
          I always got the impression that girls hated fat dudes over skinny
          dudes.

          1. I’m not from somewhere with a significant amount of severely overweight people so I can’t comment on that, but a confident chubby guy will have more luck with white girls than a confident skinny guy in my experience.
             In asia on the other hand skinny is normal for a large percentage of guys either due to diet or body type, so most women don’t view it as weakly.

          2. If hes chubby (which means “a little overweight) I can see the guy getting more women than a skinny guy . Long clothes can hide the fat. You cant hide skinny. But a 230 lbs fatass is gonna have a hard time with women. One of my buddies was overweight at 5’10 200 lbs and he didnt get any female attention till he dropped 40 lbs.

       4. I agree but disagree a bit. I’m a skinny black guy and it is only white girls checking me out. I knew another black guy who was skinny too with a 1000+ notch count.

    2. You made me laugh.
       Funny but true.

17. This is a much needed article. Travelling won’t solve your woman problems if you are unable to get laid stateside. I haven’t met women sluttier than ‘Mericans. Except maybe in the UK.

18. I’m borderline guilty of this but not 100%, for me it’s about setting aside to do it which I don’t do here. When I go abroad I set aside to talk to women

19. I disagree with the title of this article. Looks that won’t get you laid in the West can get you laid overseas. For instance, a fat, frumpy White dude could become a king in Asia. Guys that don’t get much in the West may find themselves drowning in püh overseas, but game will protect them from getting their bank accounts drained or getting played for green cards. To keep it short, game stops you from being an international “Captain Save a Hoe.”
    I must also add that on a personal level, I find it easier to get laid overseas because I have greater access to what I want (as the article alluded to). I find American women to be repulsive for the most part, and as a Black man under 6′ and not famous for playing sports or rapping, my choices are amongst the most hideous of the hideous, generally speaking.
    On the other hand, you advising men to improve themselves regardless of whether they think that falling off of the plane in a foreign land will get them the tang is great advice.

    1. >White dude could become a king in Asia
       I have heard of black guys from Europe with mid level blue collar jobs literally becoming kings in their African countries of birth, although that won’t happen without a strong frame of mind (game).

    2. Great comment!

20. What’s up with these hideous looking Asian broads in the article? Is that what we aspiring ourselves to procuring? No thank you, offer disrespectfully declined.

    1. Tell the truth. You smash the one in the middle especially since she’s not too much trouble.

    2. That’s another problem with this article. If the author meant this essay to be “inspiring” or “motivating”, he should have found pictures of more sexually alluring women. Maybe I would have sex with a one of these women—if there were no better options available—but I’m not going to fly half-way around the world for the pleasure of her company.

       1. “. If the author meant this essay to be “inspiring” or “motivating”, he should have found pictures of more sexually alluring women”
          Better he use those pictures and save you the airfare.

       2. The biggest problem with this article is that Matt Forney is full of crap. Have you ever seen his pictures? There’s no way an American girl over a 3 would touch him.

21. One thing I have noticed being overseas, I was in South Korea for 2 years and just got back from the Phillipines, you will notice many things as long as you keep trying and improve your game with women. I have been with whore’s, good girls, wifey material, short term and long term relationships in my time on that side of the world and it opened my eyes to a lot of different things. If anything I would suggest men on this website do the same if ever on that side of the world, not just for experience but insight on things you wouldn’t necessarily get with western women. My sons mother is a prime example of an asian woman exposed to too much western psuedo feminist liberal types, shes a bitch now, but before she was a traditional asian woman. Traditional Asian women are amazing, its something you have to experience yourself on that side of the world rather than just take other people’s advice or listen to stories on here. Deep down, I know all women are the same, thats why Ill never give them my full trust, but if anything you all really need to experience things over there yourself.

22. Another yellow fever article from big fat white slob Matt Forney, who can’t get laid anywhere on the planet except the Phillippines.

    1. http://www.troll.me/images/asian-woman/sucky-sucky-5-dolla-thumb.jpg

       1. You just made my dick go turtle head. (shakes fist)

          1. http://24.media.tumblr.com/bb5868fca5956427bcd0abc54bfce9d8/tumblr_mj487iFSmG1s0pj15o1_250.gif

    2. Ban this Phaggot.

       1. The guy is overweight. What’s the point of setting standards if we aren’t going to put them into practice.

23. I don’t agree with this at all. A polar bear won’t do well in the desert and a chimpanzee will freeze his ass off in Alaska. Differing environments bring out the best and worst in all of us. Now it’s true a socially awkward guy without a hint of game probably won’t go to the Philippines or Thailand and suddenly become a harem master. However a different guy with some smarts and ability who happens to be in a long slump might go abroad and find it much more to his liking. A low notch guy is now a player. Do you know anybody struggling at his work who has changed to a different company and then begins to thrive? It happens. Environment can’t give you what don’t have innately. but it sure can stifle the hell out of it. Sometimes the grass really is greener.

24. I think the reason guys tend to have better luck in foreign countries is threefold:
    1. Less approach anxiety. One of the main sources of anxiety, at least for me, is fear of running into people you know while out sarging. Nobody wants to get rejected in front of friends and family and get a reputation as a “creep.” The further away from home you are, the less chance of this happening, and therefore, less anxiety.
    2. Language barrier. While the author cites this as a handicap, I believe it’s a blessing in disguise for guys who lack social skills. Getting tongue-tied in front of a home girl will be attributed to nervousness and decrease your value, while a foreign woman is more likely to blame it on the language barrier.
    3. Foreign women are indeed more respectful, although I don’t agree that that’s because they’re “better” than Western women, but because they’re poorer. Half the world’s population lives on less than a dollar a day, so even a wimpy socially awkward beta male is a high status male to foreign women just by virtue of being a Westerner, so he gets more respect than he would at home. Hypergamy doesn’t go away when you travel abroad. You just end up experiencing the upside of it.
    One of the problems I see with redpillers is they tend to pedestalize foreign women. Foreign women are not more respectful than Western women because they’re feminine, but because you’re alpha (in their eyes). They’re not thinner than Western women because they have more discipline, but because they have less food.

    1. Very good. The language barrier can be a gift or a curse depending on the people involved. Utilize your environment to the best of your ability, and if you can, turn shit into sugar.

25. Maybe not the right place, but what’s the deal with German girls?
    I know Spanish and am learning Russian, but every German girl Ive met while traveling has been cool as fuck. They like rock, are reasonably intelligent, have decent asses, like to party, don’t have the dumb latina attitude… I never thought Id bother to learn German but I keep meeting hot ones

    1. Thank God that the USA got that huge immigration wave from Germany in the late 1800s. Otherwise white American girls would be far worse — like British girls.

26. I disagree that it’s more difficult to get laid abroad. Now perhaps I just have “enough” game and can choose to turn it on or off, but I am somewhat picky about who I fornicate with. I find myself rarely attracted to Americunts. So I don’t even try. Lately, after finding this site, I agree it is important to practice game and become better, so I have been engaging with more American girls. But I have never had a hard time with feminine, beautiful, sexy, thin women abroad. It is, however, somewhat difficult to game even fat Americunts. Partly I am choosing not to play the game, but when I do, I find the Americunts more challenging than foreign girls. Perhaps that is because deep down I really don’t want their affection.
    And I don’t understand why both MGTOW and whoremongers are unwelcome here. I mean, I am in the middle of these 2, but I feel like a huge minority, and most of the readers are in one of the above groups.

    1. Amen.

27. Great article. I’ll be sending this to my friends.

28. What about those of us looking for a good woman to marry rather than some slutty girlfriend to bang?
    Sex is supposed to come AFTER marriage, not the other way around. Tragically, it seems that here in the United States, sluttiness and beauty go hand-in-hand. Someone, please tell me I am wrong.

    1. For instance… popular misconception to the contrary notwithstanding,
       most sluts are not beautiful women. Sluts are largely drawn from the 4-7
       SMV class of women; they are those women who can’t get the high quality
       men beloved by all women except by throwing their legs open and hoping
       that they get lucky and manage to trap one of those good men with their
       honeypot freebie.”
       http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2014/08/16/comment-of-the-week-the-tumescence-of-twelve-men/

       1. Wrong, all women are sluts, it’s just that they all have different prices. Don’t ever pedestalise any of them by suggesting otherwise.

          1. If all women are sluts, the word effectively has no meaning. When you use the term, you’re qualifying something from something else. If all women were sluts, the language qualifier would be redundant. All women may engage in slutty behavior under a variety of circumstances. But clearly some women are more worthy of the label than others. I really don’t understand this meme of “all women are sluts” that I constantly see in the manosphere. It’s not even logical.

          2. Wonderful observation Faust. The ‘All women are sluts’ meme is a hint a female biological inclinations. It is a rather crass and proliterian way to refer to the matter but one that is grounded in a sort of truth. The same way stereotypes are based on observational and statistical averages. Every woman has a price, so in that sense you are right some are sluttier than others but not because of moralistic qualms but because of the price. Women are hypergamous and female hypergamy has a price, price dictated by beauty, beauty dictated by demand. Morals and principles are something men foisted upon society and something that women can easily forego for the right price. It would be a wonderful thesis for an econ class, the price theory of female hypergamy. Good day!

       2. Thank you for that, it’s comforting.

29. “I see a lot of men here have just given up on women entirely, and while I have sympathy for them, ROK is ultimately not a site for them. The whoremongers, the MGTOW’s, and those who are game denialists are not welcome here and their anti-game and anti-sex mentality warrants a permanent ban since many other sites cater to those types of views.”
    I’ve definitely become game aware and have had more success with women thanks to this site and others; however I don’t want to be in any commitment, or marriage with a woman whatsoever, foreign or domestic, and would rather learn game to bang it out with them for the price of a drink in Bangkok. Many of us also do not have the funds to travel internationally either, and the culture of the US is becoming more hostile towards male sexuality.

30. Look if your gonna be a MGTOW. Which I could myself one. That’s fine, just stfu about it. Quit preaching to everyone else in the ” manosphere ” about women, just stop being so negative.. I’ll tell you now, i’d rather spend my time leveling up on my craft, then bangin women. However I Still enjoy reading about other’s notch counts, and hearing the stories.
    Basically stop being little butthurt feminists. And if you are going to be a butthurt hurt feminist. Just keep that shit to yourself AND NO ONE HAS A PROBLEM. Done deal.

31. “I’m twisting the knife deeper into their hearts” not I. I do not find those women attractive, they look like butter faces, mere farm girls nothing exotic.
    I like ukrainian/russian/lithuania/latvian women.

    1. That’s an insult to the numerous beautiful farm girls I’ve seen over my life.

32. Living outside of U.S. now I can 100% agree with this article.
    The “girls in country X will throw themselves at you if they know you are an American” is a myth, probably perpetuated by the guys who just want to brag.
    (Actually same with the “if you ride a motorcycle, you will get tons of pussy” myth.)
    Being a westerner is probably a net zero effect: a subset of girls will be into your exoticism, a subset will be repulsed, and most won’t really care. Still, game is needed to close the deal.
    However, there is a caveat. I will claim that a well-off but beta American can find a higher quality mate easier in a foreign country than in U.S. He won’t get laid by many girls, but he has a bigger chance to find one to keep. (Beta provider qualities are valued much more in the non-western world.)

33. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: google this fat troll.

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35. If you’re fat trying to go overseas to date slim petite women, you most likely will fail. Be the change you want to see and stop whining about fat chicks.

36. When I read a Matt Forney article it is difficult to take it seriously knowing he is the chubby shaved head dude who wears MC Hammer baggy pants. His points seem to be solid but my mind always circles back to that classic picture.

37. Asian fetishists?

38. Forney, regarding the geeky white guy in the club in Malate, how come you didn’t go up and talk to him, to share with him the advice you gave here that “it’s not going to magically happen for you if you don’t approach”? If I was in a club in a foreign country and there was only one other American there, I’d probably talk to that person at some point in the night. I bet if you’d gone up to him and laid out the truth that you laid here, it would’ve helped. There’s a lot of guys who think when they go to a foreign country that all they have to do is show up and they will land a hot girl.
    I’ve been the dork in the club who goes out on the dance floor for a bit, then back to the bar for another beer, and paced around the back of the club. I’d be kind of annoyed if there was someone at the club monitoring my movements to ridicule later.

39. Something about the pics in this article just seem right . Nice, happy pics of men with women who are normal.
    What a refreshing change from the onslaught of mental illness an American man must face almost every day.
    Thank you God that there are still normal, sane women on planet Earth.

40. I keep hearing about these “fat ugly American women” but honestly, it really is just the working class chicks that are like this. Most upper class women work out in gyms and are very up on their appearances and spend loads of money to keep it that way. Plastic surgery isn’t as popular as it is for nothing.
    It seems to me that the men who are truly angry, are working class males who think they don’t have a chance in the world with a college educated, upper middle class/upper class woman. Most of them are correct.
    Upper class women are not running out on their husbands in nearly the numbers that working class women are. Divorces among them are at normal historical levels. I can understand the frustration of the average working class male, because the average working class female is ugly, fat, tatted up mess. But by virtue of his working class status, he has little to nothing to offer any other class of woman.
    There really is only one solution, become upper class, or learn to hide the prole mannerisms and language and adopt the affectations of the upper class to at least give one a better shot at the higher quality women.

    1. You can’t adapt to Hypergamy when by definition it is a percentage. If all the men upped their game, it would still be the top 20% slaying the trim.
       The answer is to shame hypergamy, not adapt to it.

       1. LOL Shame hypergamy. Look, I know this is hard, but the sexual market is capitalist now. That means harsh competition to sell your product. Maybe sexual communism was cool a hundred years ago, but not anymore. Now a days women have every right to enter and leave a relationship at any time, just like men.
          The only men I find having problems are the pudgy, bespectacled “every men”. Why would anyone care about some cubicle jockey anyway?

          1. For the benefit of humanity. So the betas who do grunt work, sustain the infrastructure, find cures for diseases and create and invent things for the benefit of society can be properly incentivized to be productive and self-actualized. This has a carry over benefit for the moral fiber and economic health of a country or society. Oh, and this thing called fatherhood too.
             Are you stupid? How old are you.
             Develop your brain more and cater to your dick less. Maybe then you can start making intelligent posts.

          2. I’m 38. To me, children are just economic liabilities and honestly I don’t believe for a minute that American society is going to collapse short of a global catastrophe like nuclear war. Tired of hearing end of world alarmism if we don’t start socializing the sexual marketplace.
             Beta males suck. I dominate them at work and in my social life. I hold nothing but contempt for lowest common denominators.

          3. Maybe you can shoot them at the Fema camps. Sounds right up your alley.
             There are many things to be alarmed about besides the sexual marketplace. Namely the fact that the people running the country were the same ones who ran soviet communism and did 9/11. But you wouldn’t know or care anything about that would you.
             Who cares if the tanks roll down main street? I’m sure you could still find betas to dominate. And when you’re old and decrepit, you can off yourself to avoid the ignominy of being “the lowest common denominator”. Until then though, I’m sure there some homeless dude in your area that you can beat up.

          4. What paranoia! Implications of 9/11 truth automatically make you a nut job in my eyes. I have no desire to debate with the mentally ill. To many peasant superstitions.

          5. Your eyes are blind. Read and maybe then you can see. Israel, jewish americans, and their gentile lakceys did 9/11.
             http://www.veteranstoday.com/category/911-and-terror-war/
             Again, you’re a mental midget buddy.

41. AWALT . I am long-time world traveler. I have about 50/50 P4P/Free(not free) women. pros and cons of both.
    I highly recommend young men travel to places such as Philippines, and Thailand. Sure, work on your self, learn game, approach, have hobbies, build your net-worth/self-worth.
    In the meantime go and get plenty of action with beautiful, slim, available, enthusiastic young women. I had a stop over in Manilla once. Within an hour of hotel arrival I had no less than 10 young girls sucking on my dick, two of which I chose to take-away.
    How long does it take the average Software guy to achieve that? Larry Allison level?
    P4P in poorer countries gives a regular guy high frequency of interaction which can be applied to “home”. Regardless is plenty good!

    1. Do you know where’s a good country to go for a mixed-lookin dude? I know Thailand and Philippines are great places to go for white dudes but it aint so much for mixed fellas like myself…

       1. Dominican Republic. Eastern Europe. However, your cash is green Asia is good!

       2. The world, especially Asia, is the White man’s playground, but a mixed-looking dude should be better off than a Black dude with the exception of girls that specifically have a Black fetish. It is possible for a Black man to do alright in Asia (just expect much more downtime than the super-duper White guys), so a mixed dude should have less to worry about, I would think. It would probably be best to ask other mixed-looking dudes what their experiences are though.

42. True to some degree, but not entirely. Confidence can be a self-reinforcing cycle, and getting an automatic +2 points on the appearance scale from Asian women is a great way to kickstart the cycle. So a 2 in the US will become a 4 in China where I live and still might find it hard to get laid, but a 5 will become a 7 and have a decent chance.

43. Nice aticle and I’ve been saying the same for years. You are also right to say that you hear a lot of American girls claiming that guys who go abroad and just guys that can’t find a woman in the States. In reaility, its often the other way arond in that we as American men have become so attracted to foreign women. I can tell you from experience that you need to bring your A game when living or traveling abroad. Check out an article I wrote on here a while back that is related. http://www.returnofkings.com/41808/5-tips-for-getting-a-quality-foreign-woman

44. I’m new to ROK, does Forney write about anything other than sex?

45. Wow. You are downright niave and hateful toward women in all of your posts. I have a sneaky suspicion that you sit at your computer utterly alone and hating your life and that’s why you have such bitter remarks about females. Pitiful.

    1. You’re in the wrong place if you believe anyone’s gonna give an ever loving fuck what you think.

46. “The will to bang is not dependent on your location but rather who you are as a man, and if you don’t have what it takes, a change of scenery won’t magically earn you a blessing from the God of Poon.” Well said man

47. Yes you will. Rape her, come back to US, never get convict.

48. I haven’t heard someone refer to having sex as “getting laid” since middle school pray that western medicine advances enough for it to be one day possible to have your head surgically removed from your asshole

    1. Damn those little Asian women, hey. DEY TERK ER DICKS! DOSE WHITE DICKS BELONG TO WHITE WIMMUN!

49. In my home state of Michigan, the present law of the land states that it is a FELONY to seduce or debauch any unmarried woman. I reject this whole “game” thing, or trying to “pick up” girls. Why can’t it just be marry your wife and that’s it. Maybe the laws of Michigan need to be enforced by prosecutors…. maybe it’s time to end this sex game.

50. You my friend don’t know what you are talking about. I can’t get laid to save my life in Switzerland, in Thailand I can lay 3 girls a day.

51. “The number one thing you need in order to seduce girls, whether you’re in Manila, Moscow, or Manhattan, is confidence.”
    ROTFFL LOL LOL
    No actually its money.

52. I’d like to have Matt Forney come to the land of the fiercely PC feminazis, The Bay Area and see how successful he is. He would be typing out a correction with one hand and yanking his crank with the other after about a week of dealing with these bipolar broads.

53. Im not giving up on dating, i simply getting smart enought to handle worldwide reality, women are parassitic in nature hence i prefer to be single and pay less with a beautiful escort when needed rather than dine&wine around and make an excuse for it since the trill of the hunting is amazing. Please, get real no money no honey was invented by women, so why play hard when you may play smarter? This reminds me the last trip to Kiev with a friend of mine, he is a cool guy, he knows how to talk, and son on with girls, at the end of our trip, he managed to bang 2 hot girl, while i banged 8, he spent about 1000 euros, me? Just 480.. (i paid in grivna, local currency) who was the winner? Side note, i also had the time to visit nice places such as museum and churches while he went with those 2 girls around pubs and night clubs. Today you should fuck smart this means to keep safe your most valuable thing in this world: your time! Unless you want to find a good woman to marry, in such case, good luck, if Roosh didn’t find one yet, it makes me wonder a lot.

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