As we begin a new year, men should remember that standing one’s ground—with women in particular—is a central tenet of masculinity. Far too many guys allow women to get away with irritating nonsense, or worse, borderline-abusive behaviour for fear of missing out on sex. This can happen when a man is approaching women, dating, or in a full-blown relationship or marriage.
It’s not good enough. Let’s all resolve this year to call out bad or disrespectful behaviour when it occurs and and not to fall into the trap of kowtowing to girls just because of their beauty.
Frame Control
A way of talking about this issue that will be familiar to anyone who has a passing interest in game is “frame control”—as it is frequently remarked, the person who controls the frame in any given interaction has the most power and will most likely get their way. Frame, defined simply, is the way in which individuals (or groups like businesses and governments) organize and communicate reality.
As a man, you should be very certain of the types of behaviour you are prepared to tolerate, as well as those that you won’t. If you find it irritating when the girl you are with speaks to you rudely, is dismissive, or plays with her iPhone during dinner then you must be sure to let her know that these behaviours negatively affect you and that you will not accept them. Control the frame—as far as you relation to her is concerned—by setting out your version of reality and ensuring that it remains dominant.
It is good practice, by the way—and also only fair—that you also avoid whatever behaviours you proscribe yourself. That way, not only are you able to maintain the upper hand morally, but also you set out by example what is acceptable and what is not. Be fair-handed, in other words, but don’t be a pushover. When she crosses the line you must speak up.
An Extreme Example Of Frame Control In Action
I was recently reminded of an incident that I witnessed many years ago that for me perfectly encapsulates frame control in action. I once had a friend by the name of Stevie. Stevie may have been well-groomed, but he was not the best looking guy on the planet. His eyes bulged out of his skull like a toad’s, his hair was cut too short and plastered down into a (then unfashionable) side parting, and he was on the wrong side of five foot nine. However, his quick-witted sense of humour, his job in a nightclub, and his rock-solid frame control meant that he was a hit with the girls nonetheless.
One morning I went round to Stevie’s apartment to find him having a huge row with this cute brunette Dora, possibly the best looking girl I’d ever seen at that time (I was 21). This girl, who Stevie had been banging for a month or so, was bawling her eyes out and screaming at him as he had not come to meet her the night before, nor had he called her to explain why.
It was Stevie’s reaction to this outburst that impressed me and that has stayed with me ever since. Rather than attempting to pacify her, or to apologise for his behaviour, he stuck firmly to his guns and wouldn’t concede any of her criticisms. He’d been out all night? Why not—he was a free agent, after all, and they hadn’t made firm plans to meet. He hadn’t called? He hadn’t had an opportunity to do so. Everything was very simple—Stevie was calmly and collectedly putting forward his version of reality.
But after Dora screamed and shouted some more, Stevie held up his hand.
“That’s it. I’ve had just about enough of this. Get out and don’t come back.”
Dora was astounded and so was I. Here was Stevie, a man certainly not blessed with male model-like looks, throwing a gorgeous girl who at that time I would have killed to be with out of his apartment and out of his life.
Enraged at his dismissal, Dora stormed out, but then returned again later, broke in by climbing through a window, and cut up a selection of Stevie’s suits. While I would never recommend that anyone incite burglary and vandalism in a woman, there’s certainly no surer sign that you’ve rattled her cage.
Stevie’s stoic upholding of the standards of behaviour he required in a woman, even to the point where he was prepared to relinquish the relationship, drove a huge emotional response in Dora. A week of so later Stevie was in the arms of another hottie, Dora conveniently forgotten.
If You Want To Be An Alpha, Behave Like One
So how did this happen? How did an average-looking guy like Stevie summon up the brass kahunas to reject a hot girl like Dora? I think we can break it down to these three elements:
- Believing unquestioningly in his own value
- Abundance—knowing that after Dora another girl would be just around the corner
- Rock-solid frame
But what if you aren’t jacked, you’re not good looking, or you don’t earn Zuckerberg bucks? Well, Stevie didn’t have those things either. Here’s the trick. If you want to be perceived as an alpha then you must simply behave like one. Keep the three elements above in your head at all times and embody them whether you believe them or not.
With a bit of faking-it-to-make-it you will create a virtuous circle where, appearing more alpha, people will defer to you more and with time you will gain natural confidence.
As we get into the swing of 2016 remember that the true measure of a man is his ability and willingness to live up to his own standards, and to ensure that those around him do the same. This year, let’s be in no doubt that we are in control of the narrative going on around us and act accordingly.
Read more: The Personality Trait That May Be Hurting Your Chances With Women
Be tall, stoic, and good looking.
Did you even read the article?
Yes. Just put in my 2 cents. Is that ok?
Kratom!
also, electrolytes.
Motark.
Fake it ’til you make it. Words to live by. My standards in women have gone up ten-fold due to success from putting this notion into practice. In the words of Neil Degrasse Tyson “Irrational self-confidence will get you more pussy than rational defeatism.”
http://www.returnofkings.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/tumblr_ncxx8pEt3b1u0bf4jo1_1280.jpg
that article with all the fake NdGT quotes on women was one of my ROK all-time favorites.
Mine too, dude.
Link?
found it (recommend not drinking anything while reading unless you want to get your keyboard and monitor wet):
Oh, god, #8. That Dune reference!
Sure, but acting like a depressed dolt might get you a sympathy fuck. Better than nothing.
I would rather have a dry spell that made the Sahara look like the rainforest than get a sympathy fuck.
lmfao sympathy fuck wow just wow that the most crazy shit I have herd lol, all you need is a picture of a sad depressed man with a sign saying “Help”
Right?
Smh
Well, I never say never because I know I just might…
You look like you’ve had plenty of dry spells.
I’ve had a few in my day. Fortunately none that lasted too long.
Sympathy fucks are overrated. The women who give them do so from a position of low self esteem, meaning they are fucked in the head and/or fat.
sympathy fuck ? for women ok, but does this really exist for men ?
….wow sad
Oooooooh good lord help this brother…
Gosh, all the negativity. I posted that as tongue in cheek comment (i.e. not to be taken seriously). Still, bad sex is like bad beer, overall it’s still good.
Fuck both bad beer and bad sex lol
Ive seen this payoff for some fellas so I cant hate the strategy. Ive seen some guys just talk about how sexual they are until the girl is like “fine lets get this over with” kind of thing. Alcohol makes it all feel kinda normal. Hilarious to see. Kind of like watching jersey shore
The best quote on this is from Felix Dennis (look him up if you don’t know him) – How To Get Rich is his best book, very funny and very honest. He made about £500 million through publishing and other ventures.
You have to persuade yourself that you absolutely don’t care what happens. If you don’t care, you’ve won. I absolutely promise you, in every serious negotiation, the man or woman who doesn’t care is going to win.
Felix Dennis
Advice that will get you killed.
???
by the way, where have you been?
I’ve been here. Maybe commenting on different threads.
Uh, actually there’s a lot of truth in that.
Advice that will get you dumped in a dumpster in a strange city somewhere.
Chicks are fickle, and the hot ones always have a ton of orbiters willing to do almost anything to impress them with the hope of getting in their pants. Not to mention over protective family members and former boyfriends.
Do your fucking homework or make sure you’ve got a good life/health insurance plan. And know which broads to avoid like the plague. Simple observation.
Where was ‘effin Waldo when I was 23 and needed to hear this message?
Does not matter. You hear it now. Act.
Sound advice. An older alpha gave it to me 25 years ago.
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I took it to heart. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/770dc411c8d04947c73871f371125ff5397db884fbf9d480008999ef6bccaea8.jpg
Dude he was busying appearing in those Where’s Waldo books, give the guy a break for having a career.
I’m a loner, not a leader.
well then you shouldn’t mind getting the majority of your sex alone.
1) If you’ve got a penis and testicles, you were born to be a leader.
2) May I suggest the role of sigma?
“Sigma” is a term I see pop up from time to time but information on it remains to be sporadic.
Here’s a website that breaks down a lot of the different types of men you’ll encounter. Not sure how much I buy into each one, but it’s somewhere to start.
http://alphagameplan.blogspot.de/2011/03/socio-sexual-hierarchy.html
Vox (http://alphagameplan.blogspot.com/2011/03/socio-sexual-hierarchy.html) CH, and Sigma the “Renegade Alpha” (https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/10/18/the-rise-of-the-renegade-alpha/) and ‘Rise of the Sigma’ (http://www.riseofsigma.com/2013/10/heartiste-on-sigma-males.html) have something on it.
While they may differ on some of the details, they can basically agree that a sigma
1) Is an social outsider, but founds his kingdom on the fringes.
2) Despite the fact he does not play “the social game”, picks up women like an alpha anyway (may not be the 9s and 10s).
2) Holds all women in contempt.
3) Does not require social approval (as an alpha might, as his kingdom is built on his social circle)
Vox further differentiates between a gamma and a sigma:
For examples, an alpha would be Gaston “from Beauty and the Beast”
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A sigma would be Casanova or perhaps the 1980s Conan the Barbarian (the latter was an outsider, and refused the kingdom offered to him, preferring to take one “by his own hand”) :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Casanova_ritratto.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/81/Conan_the_Barbarian_by_Renato_Casaro.jpg
Fellow Sigma here…..Not really interested in being the leader of men.
Had a lot of opportunities to be one.
But you gotta do whatever makes you happy.
Have no problem getting the respect of natural alphas in a group setting. It’s like, there is a mutual understanding between them and me. They know, I wont sabotage their chances of leading the group as long as there is mutual respect. And if they try to impose their frame on me, I make sure they end up looking stupid.
I hate the word “Sigma” though. “Renegade Alpha” sounds much better.
They’re not always mutually exclusive.
It’s not just a question of getting the girl via solid frame. It’s needed throughout every step of your relationship – even years into a marriage.
A man can rest when he’s 99…maybe.
When he’s dead
I used to describe to fake it ’till you make it, but I have made some subtle shifts that I find work better for me.
I simply decide “be it”
It would seem similar, but I won’t admit the possibility that any of it is fake with the hopes it will stick. Rather, I see myself as self-actualized. I am what I want to be.
The distinction is subtle, but for me, at least, real.
I tend to agree with your approach. Fake it til you make it is good for getting someone to actually get the ball rolling, but if all you ever do is fake it, you will never make it because at the end of every day when you look in the mirror, you will see a fraud.
exactly the way I feel. I used to fake things and sometimes they would catch on and sometimes not. Now I realize that in this world it is up to us as men to decide who we want to be and once we decide it is up to us to either be it or not be it, to succeed or to fail on our own merits. Faking it and hoping for the best? Maybe if I am playing basketball. But I am not looking for fate to help or hinder me and I am not looking to fool people. I don’t have to act smart, I am smart. I can act like a moron and I will still be smart. I want to be things, not pretend.
Fuck DeGrasse (fake quote) and “irrational self-confidence” there is nothing irrational about my self confidence, it is based on knowing what I want, understanding how to get it, sacrificing what is necessary and never stopping.
“in a state of confusion a man who knows what he wants stands a good chance of getting it.”
Sean Mallory, fistful of dynamite.
Ones own’s plans / clarity of vision are crucial, but you also have to choose / create the environment, which is the (external) competitive element
“knowing what I want, understanding how to get it, sacrificing what is necessary and never stopping.”
The Good Life in one sentence.
Right, you are. It’s all perception.
Don’t fake it. Just do it!
Yeah just speak your mind
Some good advice. Always know your value, always know that another woman is right around the corner, and never put up with any bullshit from any woman. The last one is key because too many men are too busy trying to please their women.
Have a standard for all women and when she crosses the line then show her the door. You’ll then realize how much women will respect you (because the rest of the men are too busy kissing her ass).
Abundance…As an old but popular Mexican cumbia song puts it matter of factly, the harvest of women never truly ends.
Maybe, but, to paraphrase scripture, it’s mighty tough to separate the wheat from the tares these days.
Especially genetically modified wheat.
Seen some women that look genetically modified, and not in a good way
I like my food like I like my women, natural and organic.
Shove a billiard ball down your pants. Make sure it’s the front though!
Shove a billiard ball down your pants. Make sure it’s the front though!
You mention you saw this incident “many years ago”. How long ago was that 5 years? 10? 15? Even a mere 2 years ago game was easier than it is nowadays. Its kinda hard to pull this off in 2016 unless you have a boatload of money on the side – the vast majority of semi-working men are too busy surviving the next layoff to develop rock solid frame and truly believe in their own value. And abundance in the age of POF/OKCupid, the impending fat-apocalypse and virulent feminism which has rendered the majority of women un-touchable is hard to come by unless you can somehow convince yourself otherwise. Excuse the cynicism..
Being an alpha will always work better with women than not being one.
No doubt it will, I have personally used some of the guidelines offered here but this is considerably harder for many men to pull off than it was a few years back. For most men this is like trying to convince themselves they are surrounded by rose while walking next to a toilet. Besides why would any decent man really want to be someone they know are not just to get with a woman? It is precisely these beliefs that allow our current corrupt and unjust system to get worse. Hey if I can act a certain way or do whatever to laid who gives a damn about everyone else. I have found that a hooker is much less time and money consuming these days..
Those who worry about society are doomed to die unhappy.
A small sacrifice to make which benefits all..
My point exactly. Buy your sex from a pro. The key is going places where the pros are abundant, affordable and HOT. The life of a whore monger can be pretty great, I’ll attest to that.
It’s not really even about believing in your own value (although you should do that). Just be totally selfish, and that will automatically cover everything else.
We are born being naturally selfish and have this socialized out of us. This is bad. Just go back to the instinctive attitude you were born with. That’s who you really are anyway, not the socially conditioned neurotic milquetoast
I can’t say I disagree but remember – everything in moderation, that is my guide through life. I’m not advocating you turn into a saint but “total selfishness” is not civilization building, quite the opposite in fact. And if our civilization indeed collapses you’ll be wishing and praying you were in the previous state.
Agreed. A healthy amount of selfishness along with not being a pushover really makes life easier.
Trying to save civilization is a misguided waste of one’s life.
Trying to save the world is a misguided waste of one’s life. Trying to protect your liberties and culture can and does pay off sometimes.
Feminism and internet dating has decreased abundance? Does not compute. The world is now full of slags willing to suck your dick based on a few pictures on Tinder. If we went back to a time when the majority of girls were wholesome, game and abundance mentality would be required less.
It actually has for the MAJORITY of men. Have you tried getting a functional working relationship on Tinder and POF lately?? I have and I can tell you I have to message dozens and dozens of women to be lucky to get a response back. I’m not ugly nor am I poor. Internet dating benefits only the very few men at the top of the social pyramid.
Different experience here. I haven’t used it for about four years. Back then I probably had a 20% response rate with internet dating (and I’m nothing special). My wife (who I actually found through the internet) works with a dude in his early 20’s who is banging some new Tinder broad every week. I just assume that is the norm.
That is not my experience at all with those apps. I guess it also depends on the kind of messages you send to them and the pictures you use.
Again it might be true but articles were written in ROK previously about the problems and logistical issues of online dating so I know I’m not the only one with this (past) problem.
Here’s one for you: http://www.returnofkings.com/57107/want-better-women-stop-feeding-the-beast
There are some good points in that article. Online dating should not be taken seriously.
And even for those of us with top looks, it’s STILL hard.
Last year, during my divorce, I lived in South America and used a popular dating site to meet women. This site is known for attracting women who want los extranjeros (gringos).
During the five months prior to leaving, I messaged about 500 women. Just throwing out the nets.
Of those 500, 250 responded.
Of those 250, I pulled the phone numbers of 50.
Of those 50, about 25 responded to my request for a date once I arrived in their cities.
Of those 25 actual dates, I tagged 6.
That’s 6/500, which is about 1% close rate. Granted, four of these six were high quality, beautiful women, so I ended up with more quality than quantity, which suited me fine.
Keep in mind that I’m 6’2″ with blonde hair/blue eyes, had great photos, and spoke Spanish already. You would think that I would kill online there, that I’d hook up with a different girl every night. Nope–at least, not without lowering standards.
Back in the U.S. now, Tinder has given me only a slightly better percentage–in the last year, I’ve matched with over 300 and have banged six. So that’s about a 2% close rate.
It takes more effort, but if you can find a target-rich environment, meatspace will yield better results than online. Watch for the IOIs. You’ll spend more time chasing after pussy but your closing rate will be higher. Me, I prefer online for the moment because I’m obsessed with building my career and don’t want to throw away good hours on bad women.
Thanks for proving my point, the current environment of thirsty me online and off has fed women’s narcissism so much that most of them have become inapproachable and your father’s and grandfather’s experience with them is a pipe dream. It is the culture that tells men to constantly be after them when they shouldn’t be if a few rules were put in place to limit their sexual power. Roosh talks about this and I concur.
Jammy, you’re killing me gent. Put the real effort into yourself (working out, making money, learning another language, etc) and simply BUY your sexual experiences in South America and abroad. I’m a little taller than average, dirty blonde, most of my hair still, boyishly handsome, decent shape, very well dressed and ooze charisma. I don’t bother fucking around with simpletons, marginals and delusionals. I simply buy hot women (rather inexpensively actually, as I’d rather spend the real dough on my cars…) and enjoy the experience thoroughly. 100% close rate.
That gives me a tremendous abundance mentality that spills over to the civilian population, so when I decide to game a rare bird who tickles my fancy, I close about 80% of the time. Then again, I don’t need to get laid multiple times per week to be happy. I’m patient and pick scenarios that are high-yield. My life is best when I minimize my time with women, not waste it on hoping to get a sniff of soiled panties.
My advice to everybody: MIX SOME PAY-4-PLAY ACTION INTO YOUR LIFE!!
Maybe it wasn’t clear, but I was using dating there as a way of improving my Spanish. It wasn’t a waste of my time, not at all.
Re: P4P, let’s agree to disagree. The fun is in the chase.
No worries, not on the attack. I learned Spanish in a similar way. I like the chase also, but I chase and game whores! I just hate to see high-level males not light it up on a constant basis, that’s all.
It was near constant shagging, mate. I dated all six for several weeks each and had more sex in three months than I’d had in three previous years of marriage. I lost almost ten pounds from fucking: no joke. I should’ve fixed bigger breakfasts.
lol, good on ya mate.
No shit. I raised the ol’ periscope into some online dating sites lately and holy cow. Women have profiles that men would get shamed for.
I guess you can have a ‘sense of abundance’ without there actually being an abundance ‘out there’. If the girl was trouble getting rid of her was the right thing to do even if there were no easy replacement. Anything else is thirst / dependency.
Eh, self actualization tips are better coming from an internal realization than successory posters and memes.
What I mean is simple. When one comes to the realization that what they are doing is not working, and that who they want to be might actually be who they are, and they remain faithful to said realization, that is the key to success. Even amidst numerous failures.
Just do not get a dumb bitch knocked up. Steve Jobs, Gates, JP Morgan, hell even Nikola Tesla will tell you. Stay away from bad women. All it took for me was one freakin time. And family courts are right up your ass. You have no way to legally remove them. They make you their wage slave.
At some point though, you young bucks also have to realize that you are not going to be a stud forever! So whatever business, skill, or hobby you pick up ensure that they are something YOU ENJOY and can do till your dead. Because that is what will bring you, and those who meet and are inspired by you, will want to hang around you for.
Pussy is last. It is the fate of those who put pussy first to suffer. It is the fate of those who put it last to get the most of it.
Agreed but for far too many people, they don’t get to the point at which they realize what they’re doing isn’t working. Many think they’re simply “doing whatever it is they’re doing” incorrectly. It often takes a major external jolt for them to snap out of that way of thinking.
That my friend is nature’s defensive mechanism in action. Separating the wheat, from the chaff, like nature’s Husband (and Lord) intended! Hehehehehehehe
Game also comes in handy with child-rearing. If my younger daughter throws a tantrum in a store I just take the older one by the hand and walk away. It’s funny how quickly the crocodile tears dry up when they realize realize they have no effect on you.
Absolutely! and it’s surprising how quick the turn around is.
I have 4 sons and 1 daughter. Hands down she’s the quickest to throw a tantrum.
By doing that you also stir jealousy. It’s funny how they are already hardwired that way.
Works with women too.
That’s because women are inherently childish and petulant.
Women and children have the same wiring: to manipulate the men who can haul the water, hunt the food, and protect the cave.
The biggest folly, and I know this from my own personal life in trying to adhere to it, is the notion that men and women are equal. Just about every disaster I have seen and experienced on the personal level came from wrongfully assuming that women were our equals, as adults, with the same agency, initiative, desires, and cognition.
Once I realized the truth my life improved 1000 fold. I’m not kidding.
“is the notion that men and women are equal”
I wish I could put stars around this comment.
Bingo.
My go to was, when my daughter was tantrum age, “Crying doesn’t affect me and it never has. When you’re done slobbering all over yourself, we’ll talk.” then walk away.
Great article. I make these same points all the time to men who express their jealousy of my appearance. (I’m 6’2″ and — no ego — blessed with extreme good looks. It’s actually a hindrance in making friends, as is my career success.)
Anyways, take it from me: A MAN’S LOOKS DON’T MATTER. I’ve learned the hard way — I was in a marriage for five years with a woman who, despite my looks, eventually walked out on me for absolutely no reason except hypergamy.
The point: Women will take advantage of weakness wherever they find it (or imagine it), and they will fall into a superior frame wherever they find it. (Pro tip: Marriage weakens that frame and beta-izes everybody, in the long run.)
Everything can be overcome by the strength of a man’s personality. Are you short, ugly, poor, stupid? Congrats: none of it matters. If your frame is strong, you’re golden. If your frame is weak, you’ll be eaten alive. The sexual market is that simple.
Agreed. I followed a similar path as you it sounds, except I’m still married. When my wife and I started dating, she said she thought I was a model or something. That didn’t matter though when I lost frame during the first few years of our marriage. She walked all over me and no matter how much I pandered to her, everything just got worse. Finally I had enough and started putting my foot down. Once she realized that I wasn’t going to deal with any of her bullshit anymore, things magically became better.
Frame, gentlemen, is everything.
Yeah, putting your foot down, repeatedly, works with normal women. My problem was that what I had thought was immaturity was actually narcissism. As time went on, I came to realize that she was never going to grow up, that her tantrums were really expressions of narcissistic rage. You can’t outframe a person like that. Nobody can. By the end, she’d become a caricature of herself; I didn’t even recognize her anymore.
I’ve been banging a relationship therapist for the last year, and she’s helped me understand a lot better what went wrong in my marriage. Free therapy lol.
Anyways, good on you. I’m happy mine ended, though — and the total cost of the divorce to me? Three dollars, for postage and photocopies. I should write an article about it: How to leave your marriage for the price of a cup of coffee.
Hah, wow. Sorry to hear you had to go through all that but it seems you came out wiser in the ways of women for it.
People need this info lol
Yes, it is true. Being handsome just gets you a lot of unwelcome attention from men in your youth. Being smart or accomplished isn’t so helpful, either, as both put your squarely into beta-provider territory. Frame is all.
From men?
homosexual men.
Jesus, have I got stories. Needed body armor when I was nineteen. Gay men loooove young straight guys.
*Wipes brow in relief*
And here I thought I was doing something to encourage them. It’s a relief to know that just BEING was enough for them.
LOL me too.
Years later, one explained it to me this way: “It’s not that we THINK that you’re gay–it’s that we’re HOPING you’re gay.”
Come on… looks matter a little. At least for initial attraction/beginning an interaction. You have to rely on personality after that.
I was never blessed with looks and like a whiny child was pissed early on that life wasn’t fair. Now that I’m older and can see more clearly, I realize that made me compensate and develop intelligence, communication skills and a personality which benefit a person in the long run.
Looks matter for about five minutes and are adequate substitute for negging. Both achieve the same purpose — create attraction.
Me, I do comfort first for the girls who know they’re below me in sexual market value. Then I neg them later. Most guys have to do the opposite.
Hehehe. No, they matter alright. It reminds me of a drinking/bar game I play with friends: Better to be rich and stupid OR poor and smart?
Yes, if someone is dumb as rocks AND good looking, it seemingly “won’t matter” but that can be said of anything, really. Being short and poor for a while certainly helped to me to toss out any notions of white knighthood. Being a beta meant not only did the women NOT give me anything, they would treat me with utter contempt. It was a lesson I learned early because it was taught so well. But that doesn’t mean a good looking/wealthy guy has to be totally dumb as rocks.
They matter for initial interest, before you open your mouth or stumble over your feet. After that, it’s up to you to cash in on them or throw away the opportunity.
I’m not extremely good looking, but pretty good looking 6’4″, decent build, ego when it’s appropriate, and just last night had a bitch I’ve been fucking a few months stand me up, knowing damn well I pulled a muscle in my back late last week so previous nights were delayed up until our next night planned, which was (last night). Mind you, this bitch was regularly telling me after sex “damn that was some outstanding sex,” and “Jesus Christ you’re hot..” “you’re a manly man,” blah blah blah (read: conditioning me).
She cancelled on me 2 hours before our planned time, and I called her on her bullshit. Her house was in route to another, better looking plate’s house who all around has this girl beat. So I figured wtf, drive by her place and see if her claim to be working late and bogged down with work was true. Nope, her car was there at her house, not at work. I’ve suspected her of fucking the neighbor 2 doors down and his car was there as well with lights on in both houses off. Well story tells itself, I was right. Also to note, when calling her phone once it went straight to VM and said her mailbox was full. So clearly some dude(s) was blowing her shit up in previous day(s). hmm.
Did I really break frame? Fuck no. All I did was pull a muscle in my back – and realize that to a girl, just a misfortune like an injury IS breaking frame, and IS assumed disinterest in her so thus, I must be fucking other girls in her slutty insecure mind. I’ve got her beat in looks I’d say so…. but do you think this cunt would abstain from hopping on cocks on those days my back was pulled? Fuck no apparently, she started banging the neighbor dude again when my back was pulled clearly, and was going back for a return fuck right before OUR scheduled time. In fact, she was planning on fucking him JUST BEFORE fucking me and still wanted me to come over. Nasty.
I let her know I was onto her little slutfest and dumped her. Mind you, we’d been getting along just fine up until just hours before then. So what does she text me when I reveal I caught her in her bullshit web of deceiving me (so she thought). “you WIN!” She’s right actually about that.
My reward was plowing the living shit out of a better, hotter fuck all night last night. What was funny was her win-lose mentality. Bitches who try to go to “war” in the dating field only win to an extent, in the end they all lose miserably.
Yeah, what nobody tells you is that many women RESENT you for being physically sick or injured. They sneer at it, think it’s a sign of weakness. Totally amoral.
My former spouse regularly attacked me whenever I got an upper respiratory sickness, usually once each winter. What I’ve come to find out (thanks to Dr. John Gottman, look up the work that he and his wife have done) is that living with a negative person literally weakens your immune system. His research shows that people married to toxic spouses get sick at a four times greater rate than average.
Solution: Find and keep a good woman. The others can hurt you in ways you can’t even imagine.
In her attempts to add injury to insult in the “conditioning” phase leading up to this, she said each day we spoke;”Oh believe me, I know your pain, remember last year I was laid up for 2 months with degen disc in my neck.” << she must have reminded me of that 10x in 4 days.
So not only is the humility all a facade, notice how she always turns it back to focus on her, and basically 1-up with her own lame story. All the signs of b.s. were there with this one.. While she tried to already expect “exclusiveness,” by saying shit like, “well I’m not seeing anyone else, why would I need or want to with sex like that, God damn!” ,, I will again reiterate to the gents here, the #1 TELL in a scandalous cunt:
They will make a point about something, either awkwardly concise, or repetitively like you have no fucking memory, that’s too damn clear. Well whatever they go so far out of the way to make a point of, typically either the exact opposite is true, or they’re using it as a driving point for a cover up.
Of all the gut instincts I’ve sharpened, it’s that, which has never failed me once for the last 5 years.
Care to post your picture so we can see how good looking you actually are? Anyone can claim they are very attractive online, but like they say, “pics or it didn’t happen”.
It’s one thing to say you are good looking….but when you say you are “blessed with extreme good looks” then you’re going to need to back that up with pics.
I’m also 6’2 and have no issue with posting my pic online.
You are not blessed with extreme good looks.
LOL I didn’t say I was. But I am confident enough to post my pic and get criticized by someone not willing to show himself and hide behind the computer screen
I’m just busting your balls. You look Turkish. Are you a Turk by any chance?
Palestinian
Lol it’s not a contest. Posting one’s pic online has a way of biting one in the ass years later when one least expects it. Google image search: hello. Just take my word for it.
Google image “cameljockey”. My face is plastered all over the Web already. I was famous in the Misc on bodybuilding.com. I don’t post on there anymore though
Please stay safe
I would remove that immediately. This site, although I respect your tenacity, is likely not strong enough yet to warrant such an exhibition.
SJWs will use it against you. But your choice.
Chrome Dome of Peace. Respect !
well said, jjb………if it weren’t true, mick jagger would never even get to first base
I too have been blessed with extreme good looks. Nah, just kidding, I just wanted to see what it felt like to express it. Felt damn good.
“Enraged at his dismissal, Dora stormed out, but then returned again later, broke in by climbing through a window, and cut up a selection of Stevie’s suits. While I would never recommend that anyone incite burglary and vandalism in a woman, there’s certainly no surer sign that you’ve rattled her cage.”
Maybe one reason a lot of men are afraid to stand up to their women is that their gut is telling them that if they cross a line, she has the potential to react hysterically or perhaps even violently, and we all know who tends to reign victorious at the end of a he-said, she-said battle.
Even worse. Now they’ll storm out and then file a false rape/assault report.
I would highly suggest that being alpha also means BODY CAMS.
Or really good friends who will, without hesitation, provide you an alibi no matter what situation you’re in.
“How could he have raped you, Sylvia, when he was with me in Wisconsin that night?”
Good buds, the kind that will help you bury the body, that kind of wingman.
Before I begin, I absolutely agree with this article, but I have to ask, what year was Stevie seeing women like Dora and what was his last year of successfully dating other women like Dora? Whats his dating life like today in the age of Okcupid and Tinder?
Culturally we have had a big shift in the USA, where those given “appointed authority” seems to be trumping those that have “natural authority” more often than not. Since the early 2000’s I see MORE and MORE spineless Beta types easily surpassing people with stronger personalities, both in personal life and professionally. However, at one time, in the not so distant past, people displaying “natural authority” would have EASILY been the first choice of women and corporations and put in charge of most things, due to simply having real leadership qualities (I’d argue that Trump is facing this strange predicament right now).
What exactly do I mean and how did we get here?
Well it starts in K-12 education, where certain kids are publicly punished for being natural leaders and Beta Types are rewarded with leadership positions for being “yes men/women”. Other kids see this and then begin to develop an indoctrinated aversion to kids that have natural leadership, for fear of getting in trouble, by simply being around or associated with them. This mindset then gets extended into the workplace where “appointed authority” is the rule and no exceptions are made for “natural authority” to usurp the direction of projects, conversations or policies. Once people get past a certain age their “profiles” and “resume” begin to carry much more weight than their actual “manliness”. Sure, women don’t pine over Manginas when they meet them in the flesh, but they will pine over a “hidden mangina” with a perfectly crafted okcupid or Tinder profile.
Do Alpha types still clean up? Of course they do, but a LOT of “hidden betas” are getting FAR more than their share, of “first looks and last looks” these days, on both the career and women tracks, than they would have received in the previous 50 years. Note, its not specifically that women standards have risen (they have not), its that women keep on adding to the list of “non essential” traits that their potential partners/hook-ups must have, at minimum. So while going over that “non essential” traits list, women unknowing eliminate what they ACTUALLY want and end up with something that they are ultimately dissatisfied with. This exact same scenario goes for employers as well.
I always use the old comedy film “Revenge of the Nerds” from 1984 as an example of where we are as a society today.
When the JOCKS were in charge of the “Greek Council”, parties raged, un-PC behavior thrived and everyone had a good time with few consequences for bad behavior (boy will be boys). Essentially when the JOCKS were in charge, people earned good wages, nobody was micromanaged (use your best judgement) didn’t get fired on a whim and life in general was good. Then one day the NERDS gained control of the “Greek Council” and parties started to suck, people had to kowtow to PC behavior, so as not to offend anyone, everyone became micromanaged (i.e. lean) and people started having less fun in EVERY aspect of life, while consequences where jacked up to the highest degree (i.e. zero tolerance).
So I ask was “life” better for EVERYONE under the rule of the JOCKS or better today under the rule of the NERDS?
Long live the “beta types” with “appointed authority, I guess (to our own civilizations demise, I might add).
^This
Real leadership is actively punished in any organization unless the man in charge is a real leader, which is rare. Leadership isn’t valued because leaders don’t follow the herd.
Great Post. A good friend of mine is a complete beta mangina simp and he is always juggling women. His says to me, I just never argue with them, so he just slowly becomes their doormat causing the woman to escalate her aggression towards him over time because he teaches her that is OK because he never argues with her, he just lets her bully him. Eventually he becomes this stressed out hen pecked man who can’t wait to leave, which he eventually does. It doesn’t seem to bother him that much because his don’t argue pickup policy seems to work for him, mind you he has to pick his mark.
Reading the story, it got me to thinking how Stevie did NOT handle Dora very well. I know men like this and it’s not uncommon for “Dora’s” to come up with false accusations of rape, DV, etc. The scenario reminds me of the Jodi Arias case. Yeah, you know how to drive batshit women crazy. Do you want them killing you out of rage?
The proper way to handle such a woman in that situation (and I do this with my wife all the time) is to say that this is my stand, I respect her viewpoint, and then disengage. Don’t kick her out but walk away. (In his case, lock his apartment up and walk away from the place). Don’t incite her. Let her calm down out of rage and then in the “crash” from her anger, she won’t have anyone to blame but herself.
Quite frankly, I’m not impressed with Stevie. Everyone knows that bouncers/nightclub workers get a lot of tail because they’re authority figures in a place where men are paying to pick up women. These places have a lot of loose, crazy women. I wouldn’t poke that bear.
The way to actually achieve being alpha is not to worry who or who doesn’t perceive you as alpha. Yes, do all the things in the article, but do them because that’s how you act around all people, because that’s who you are. If a girl does or doesn’t see you as alpha, well, zero fucks given and she can hit the road.
My best trick: whatever act or words a woman uses to ellicit a negative explosion or negative emotion out of you: simply ignore. Smile casually. Never, ever, let them piss you off. Just walk away with a casual smile. As the old aphorism goes, “Never let ’em see you sweat”.
I think with today’s online dating etc this type of thing doesn’t work as well. Today’s woman would literally turn her profile on and have 4 more dates scheduled for that afternoon by the time she got to her car. Stevie however, because of his height, wouldn’t have a new date for a week or two, because its hard to use wit over an online profile.
Tangentially related: got a few lulz out of this. Apparently, the new Ukraine for Brit men is… small-town USA:
http://www.vice.com/read/i-went-out-with-british-dudes-who-tour-america-in-search-of-sex?utm_source=vicefbus
Funny, this American chick I banged last night was telling me all about it. Irony upon irony…
This is sound advice Troy. At some point we have to meet for a drink to share old war stories…
Anyway, the only times that my relationships have gone south is when I have failed to maintain frame. This happened once with my first young chick (I was 33 she was 20) and with a long distance relationship (not being around her to “maintain” messed with my head). In both cases the results was disasterous.
Generally though, I keep these chicks exactly where I want them. Like Pretty Tony said “when I get a bitch, I gotta bitch!”
Solid advice by the author..’fake it until you make it’. The antidote to the usual female garbage advice.’just be yourself’.
In reality a guy needs only two things…good teeth and the ability to lie through them.
Never undersell or undervalue yourself gents, you only get one life, use it wisely.
Some men are just born alphas. I’ve had fathers throw their daughters at me, always the leader of something by default, always given respect/submissiveness of people I encounter. As I have gotten older, I have come to understand that most of my problems came from being targeted by the betas and fags. Do not allow these people to enter into your decision making process.
The attention and responsibility of being an alpha is immense. Do your best to improve your mind and general knowledge of anything and everything. The modern system preaches empathy which is very important but at a certain point you have to ask yourself “Why the fuck did you put yourself in such a position in the first place?”.
Be careful of how you direct and advise your followers. I am still developing in this regard and will until the day I die. Many people that will seek your advice will see your response as cannon in their lives. This has led to many very positive and very negative situations. Do not be afraid to speak your mind but do so with this in consideration.
Very true. People asking my advice re. girls, since they can’t relay the intricacies of interactions because they don’t have the alpha framework to work from for reference, I usually play it safe by suggesting eject points. In other words, if “x” starts happening, distance yourself from the situation and here’s why:”……”
The most difficult part to account for is what does the subject in question actually wan?. Do they want to have more of the success they see you having? Or do they want certain elements of what you succeed at?
Sometimes it’s difficult to piece meal my successes since they’re an intertwined web partial to only me. I have saved a few friends from some really fucked up women in 2015, and the stories they had to tell me when they followed up with the girls after they dropped them were fucking atrocious.
I’ve saved quite a few men from awful women this year as well. It is usually about women with these types in most circumstances. The huge positive negative thing really happens when they bring the more abstract life questions my way. I’ve learned to answer these almost professionally ubiquitously.
You wrote something that’s really very important and cannot be over-emphasized: “I have come to understand that most of my problems came from being targeted by the betas and fags. Do not allow these people to enter into your decision making process.” Brilliant.
As I have gotten older, I have come to understand that most of my problems came from being targeted by the betas and fags.
This. Even radfems and dykes like me, but all those faggy gamma twits like Yeb Boosh, Miss Lindsey Graham, and lameass Stephen Col-bear need to be run over with a Mack truck.
“I have come to understand that most of my problems came from being targeted by the betas and fags. Do not allow these people to enter into your decision making process.”
This is excellent, and the inevitable consequence of Alpha behavior. Care to elaborate on your mindset re: dealing with being a target?
The first step is to identify how and where you will be targeted. In today’s screwed up world it is typically passive aggressive behavior that is a big warning sign. When I was younger I didn’t notice these bitches until they were foaming at the mouth.
If these people are attempting to do something and its too late to subvert it, I have found the best course of action is to let them stew and brood. Do not respond or engage them outside of their initial shitfit. Betas and fags tend to want that two sided argument and are very uncomfortable when their targeted adversary remains calm and doesn’t express any concern. Its a big thing to them that they stand up to you and when you don’t respond it gives them a deep sense of foreboding and outright fear.
Best advice is to take it as a complement and laugh with other peers who are impartial but see your history of being targeted for anything/everything. You are a target because of group think and/or jealousy in your ranks. Cuck em then fuck em
Good words. I have a black belt in handling women. Hateful Betas are definitely much harder to deal with.
Simple… Don’t shave,don’t wash,shower only on your birthday, dress like a slob, get drunk & act like a jerk… Then you are an ALPHA MAN ….
That’s just the dirty hippies and homeless people who your mama had you call daddy on Thursdays after NA or AA.
Beartastico, are you hurt by my comment ?? Did I described you ?? I did mean it ??
LOL ! Next you’re going to tell me my mama wear combat boots ??
Ah yes, the classic, “what we don’t understand, or what we ourselves are afraid to face, we insult.”
You jest but I actually knew such a person that was a real riot with the girls when we younger.
… And now that we’re not so young anymore, got a living example that some men can and will hit the wall pretty fast too sometimes if they don’t get their shit together.
Ohh.. I’m not jesting, I have seen lots of those self-styled Alpha men & the overwhelming majority did fit my above description,. Later on in life they did have some children, but all with a different mother & the result ?? Mothers went to seed, & they as well become what you call in some places a bum ….
You won’t find much pity for these mother girls tho around here. For good reason.
They wanted “alpha”? They got “alpha”. Choices and consequences.
Yupp.. You can’t fix STUPID !!
Fantastic article. Was your friend Stevie on Seinfeld by any chance?
Fake it, till you make it was one of the best advice I got while learning game.
30, single, no debt, not married, no kids, average height, full head
of thick hair, broad shoulders, dress well – haven’t had sex since
2008… and I am more of a romantic and horny type than most who read here.
Whatever I am, it is not an attractive prospect for women, and I have been around them in five different cities in all sorts of establishments.
just lol, pathetic.
No, I don’t think it is pathetic. It just shows you in what world we live in today….
It has been said many times before and I will say it again: Men are the true romantics!
I agree. I only really mentioned romanticism to get the point across, if i said i want to hate fuck every 3rd girl but they will not reciprocate – i know if would look like E. Rodger territory.
Okay maybe over the last year i have been getting a few more IOI’s and glances at my ring finger and crotch region, but ultimately without the action i can’t really make any calls on this thing.
Do you just not do online dating? You should be able to get laid through Tinder or OkCupid or any of the other dating sites/apps. Even if you’re ugly as sin, you can pull some of these girls because a lot of them are homely looking.
Eh.. maybe, I don’t ‘believe’ in online dating, it feels akin to hiring a prostitute.
Serves you right they say, possibly true I reply.
Sex is becoming the last thing on my mind this far down that line. I seem to be facing purgatory from my own child self, all the things I wanted and aimed for, all the the things the evil of the world confronted me with to stop me.
don’t ever let anyone say killing yourself is the easy way. You have to plan murder.
Treat these types of people with disdain, they deserve no less and no more.
i am a womban and i agree with everything in this post. during the big boob theory, when the son ejaculated the element eminimemonium into the earth, creating grapes, which created fish, and which created apes, and then created men, but not women because they were made out of his ribcage, thats why the men are better than us women. i hate the modern woman lol. all of them, like me, are terrible at math even the ones working as engineers and rocketeers on mars probably they can’t do 1+1 because during evolution women were created only to look sexy so men could have babies with them. men got to do everything else because of testatertosterone. this gives them twelve more brain cells in there pancreas and its what makes them smarter. during a girls period her body punishes her by giving her testatertosterone and making her bleed to prove that she is inferior to men and cannot handle that very mascootieline hormone!!!!!!!! also the testatertosterone makes the men more moody and they have to prove to murther nurture that they cannot cry and when they hold back tears it makes their muscles bigger and that’s why women are weak because they cry when there is no milk in the fridge lol so weak am i right??? thomas ediwashington says don’t cry over spilt milk he is saying to women that they are better at cooking and cleaning and giving birth i know this because i spoke to him through an orgyboard. thats why men can’t cry or be sad so thats why they rape women and beat women but thats okay because you know science i don’t really understand it because i am women and also i don’t understand men when they talk to me because I’m like a dog or a child or something like that and can’t think right i can only think about what I’m going to put in my next tuna casserole for when my 12 year old son returns home from world war 3 (which will happen if we give men more power!!! it will be great probably) and take care of my other son who just got polio and i wish we had vaccine for it but none of the men can figure out how to make one lol!!!! some women think they can make a vaccine but they are dumb they just don’ understand that science is for masculine men who are also strong and unemotional and that is why cooking is for women and they take care of the kids. Let’s go back to gander roles!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! XD
I think your doctor needs to increase your meds.
I think you and everyone else on this website needs to stop using mental illness as an insult :))
You wrote a rather incoherent and nonsensical comment, with no paragraph breaks, I might add.
If you would like to contribute, then do so and write something of value. I cannot tell from your long comment whether or not you are trying to be clever/funny or you are trying to make a serious point.
Obviously, I was being sarcastic. How could you not see that? Do you truly believe that The Big Boob theory made men and women evolve into different gender roles due to testatertosterone?
It’s probably on an intellectual par with the body of thought that causes you, in other posts by you, to describe yourself as an “aromantic asexual”.
Goodbye, sweetheart 🙂 Stop looking to pick fights on the internet, you don’t need to reiterate the fact that you are a petty human being, because trust me, we all know.
But the OP is obviously mentally ill, in that case wouldn’t that be a sign of concern by advising him to take better care of himself by getting his medication dosages to a level that restored his mental health.
You’re a womban huh? That’s one of those furry aliens creatures from the new Star Wars movie right?
You must be a woman or a terrible gimmick because that was the dumbest post I ever read you troll. Try and come up with a better gimmick, that was lame.
Haha first rule of being apha: Don’t read “How to be alpha” guides on the internet.
The very act of spending time online discussing shit like frame and game means you are not alpha. And I say this as a true alpha myself (6’3, net worth $5m+, 30 years old and over 1,000 lays).
Cool story, bro.
Yet here you are on ROK posting comments about your height, wealth and sexual conquests. True Alpha indeed.
Sorry, but your very post defines you as a classic LOSER !!! Hope this helps. And the dead give away of a LOSER is someone who desperately tries to convince others he is the opposite.
“Enraged at his dismissal, Dora stormed out, but then returned again
later, broke in by climbing through a window, and cut up a selection of
Stevie’s suits. While I would never recommend that anyone incite
burglary and vandalism in a woman, there’s certainly no surer sign that
you’ve rattled her cage.”
Actually, Stevie didn’t incite that behavior, but by being a man about things he avoided being in any sort of committed relationship with a nutcase. He just did a good job of exposing her narcissism. (At the expense of a few suits. She would have gotten shot at my place breaking in like that.)
This site is tragic in many ways
If you post online that you are alpha, you aren’t.
If you come to this site to rant about the articles you are exactly the kind of person that drives men to seek sites like this. Well done btw.
Now that’s out the way, the best way to come across as alpha does not seem to be mentioned here, but it is quite possibly also the most legitimate way. You need to lead people within work and/or your social life. Sorry, but if you are a loner who works as a consultant, it doesn’t matter that you are wealthy and well dressed etc. You are by definition not alpha. There is little point in pretending that you are.
Fuck up Mangina.
Many women are very mean. They frame men with rape allegations when they asked for it teasing. But this won’t stop us. No earthly power can stop us. We are millions. We ARE COMING! Mashaʾallah subhanahu jalalahu!
I’m fucking tattooing this shit on the back of my hand.
Those Hollyweird boys don’t exactly exude masculine confidence. Both of them are wussies. Remember, jews filter the leading white men of Hollyweird, and jews like to filter out white men they find threatening.
And the fact remains ALPHA MALES are determined by comparing them to the rest of the brotherhood. Not all men can be Alphas. You can’t make a silk purse out of a sow’s ear. Better to accept who and what you are, even if that is some pathetic beta simp and work with what you got and play accordingly. Of course self improvement should always be a priority, but if you think you can become Chad Thundercock by following some strategic master plan, I have news for you.
I need some help. Unless Im at the gym, I believe only 1 in 10 girls are hot enough to approach. When I do get the number, 70% of them never actually see me again. Should I start testing less attractive women, or closing harder to get them home on day 1(shots of alcohol.). Or both?
If you have it in you. Nail some 5s for practice, but do not go back for seconds, you do not want to waste too much time with them. Or heaven help you become satisfied with them. And do not let the hot woman see you banging 5s. Its a rep killer. But make sure they see you with 10s, its even better than walking a puppy in the park
Alright, that means it will be ME who needs the shots haha.
And keep the lights off.
Listen to yourself and don’t listen to some stupid articles. study your own past. thats the real alpha
Fuck women.
I could always take them or leave them.
And I mostly found myself leaving them.
That’s not a strategy.
A strategy is knowing women are creatures of hormonal swings. And success is hanging around long enough to catch one on the upswing. That requires commonality. And if she’s bitchin’ escalate.