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The True Nature Of Female Hypergamy

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366 thoughts on “The True Nature Of Female Hypergamy”

  1. “When I said the last line she looked ready to tear my clothes off, and my buddy, himself a veteran player, thought he could perceive this too, so I don’t think I am mistaken or being conceited here.”
    So your buddy wanted to tear your clothes of too? Wow that’s good game.
    Just kidding. 😀

  2. Another trend in hypergamy is women leaving their husbands for other women. Researchers suggest that women’s bisexual tendencies increase as they get older, meaning that in a few decades, America will be dyke heaven. They can ride the cock carousel, get married, divorce him then ride the pussy carousel til they get old.

      1. Women may be fluid, but men are hardwired. Most gay dudes are in fact born that way, very few lesbians are. I say this because it is what I see out there, there may be evidence to the contrary but I sure have not seen it. Men don’t have a bad relationship with a chick and start sucking dick, women get out of shitty relationships with dudes (or a pimp, or abusive relatives, or get fat and unattractive, ect.) and carpet munch and scissor party it out like it is therapy.

    2. Maybe, but to call them “researchers” is to miss the fact that their conclusions tend to be foregone. Its a sponsored trend

      1. its very rare to see any kind of sexual chemistry with lesbians even when they’re displaying affection. One of the things feminism / queer theory has sought to do is to ‘re-describe’ ordinary female intimacy / friend behaviour with a view to re-orienting it towards the sexual. That may also be one of the reasons why it may work when women are older, and when sex is a lesser requirement than the constant of needing attention that they will be getting less of by the day from men

        1. It’s sad to see old women turn to lesbianism. You can really see the defeat in their eyes. You can also sense that their rationalization hamster is going full speed and it’s heart is about to explode. Late-in-life lesbians always have to rationalize that this is what they’ve wanted all along.
          Being a woman must really suck. They can never get free of their mental prisons.

        2. “They can never get free of their mental prisons.”
          Well put. Its difficult to imagine what red pill feminism would actually be, beyond an admission of defeat and a public conversion to ‘patriarchy’

  3. 2 o’clock sluts often don’t recognize an insult/sarcasm like “classy”. You actually gotta add the pointing and laughing.

    1. Agree. Many of these women are so “dumbed down” by reality TV that they just answer with ‘huh?’

      1. The bar and club scene is a far too exhausting environment for the average man to deal with for an extended amount of time. I left it behind years ago. Only the dregs of society go to bars and clubs.

        1. As a complete fuck up going no where in life, I can verify this statement.
          side note: I still fuck lots of chicks who are also fuck ups going no where
          we can’t all be Christian McQueens

  4. All good points in this article.
    I was seeing a woman a few years back and we were out at a club (bar). I was talking to someone across the room and I saw a guy pick my girl up off of the ground. I excused myself and I walked right over to them giving the guy a warning “I’d advise you not to pick her up again”. The guy was about 4 inches taller than me and maybe 40 lbs on me, but it didn’t matter….reflexes kicked in and I let him know exactly where he stood.
    In the end, he apologized (we had beers) and all was forgotten. My girl says later after the incident (on the ride home) – that was so hot.
    It just proves what you are saying about women in this article is true.

    1. I’ll add that I think sometimes women instigate these kinds of situations as shit-tests…. where the correct response is to demonstrate superiority over the other male in some way.
      I find this behaviour is only exaggerated when she’s drunk.

      1. Yup. And the best way to pass the shit test is to chat up other chicks like you own the place and let her know she’s replacable.

        2. I was at a music festival, after getting into a bit of a shoving match a nearby girl got involved so my friend called this girl a dumb bitch then we walked off. She followed us for like 5 minutes around the campground, on the phone with a dude she tried to convince to come fight us.
          I couldn’t believe what I was seeing, if you let a girl convince you to fight someone youre a fucking weak idiot.

        3. I had a very similar experience in a nightclub. I got into an altercation with a girl that got us both thrown out, she got straight on the phone to some guy to try and get him to come and beat me up. The funniest part by far was listening to her side of the conversation and working out he was having none of it.
          Girl: ”That IS what happened……no I just told you, he walked up and pushed me over and said ”get out of my way bitch”…..no I didn’t do anything to him……OMG I just told you that’s how it happened”.

        4. Dude same shit happen to me, I rushed some dude over my ex because I was trying to get her back home with me and she was being a fucking idiot then she went and started talking to another guy in his ear and I rushed his ass I didn’t give a fuck I was going to swing at both of them and it took 6 men to hold me back and they were still struggling. She will never do that again I even told her that if I see her doing that shit again Ill rock her ass and the dude both at the same time. This wasn’t in the states either so Ill rock that bitch and dip.

  5. Women will also try and make their man more dominant, without even knowing it.
    To diss him in public is sure to piss him off and make him more aggressive and have the urge to dominate her.
    That’s why a lot of girls try to push a man’s button, sometimes it’s too far and then they play the victim.

        2. He backed into the corner of an elevator and had his back against the wall then she charged him. What else was he supposed to do?

      2. A shit test that is going to cost her plenty in the end. Ray made the mistake of putting up with the behavior in the first place. He should have cut her loose at the first sign.

    2. Same shit happen to me, I lost my shit with my ex girlfriend. I didn’t hit her but I raged on three different occasions.

  6. Here is where you are not cool:
    “Yeah well, when this guy you’re with,” I say looking right at him, “can do something about it, let me know.”
    You just made her cuntyness his problem. That is bullshit. whether he was beta or not, you are a gender traitor with that shit. Grow up and dont drag your brethren into your issues.

    1. Better yet, quit acting like an indoctrinated droneling voting for and supporting those who insist on getting the government involved should the bf simply and casually pull out a gun and end the confrontation right there. (Properly) armed societies are polite societies. Unarmed societies are not. As the author’s little vignette demonstrates.

      1. i’ve just moved somewhere where there are antique stores with duelling pistols on sale in the windows. When I see them I can’t help thinking how cool it must have been to live in such a society, where there was such a code of honour system. Problem was though it frequently wasn’t deterrent enough, and lots of men lost their lives for trifling reasons. I’m also not that sure I’d have much of a stomach for “pistols at dawn”. Still it was a gentlemanly code of honour and a world away from this fallen society

        1. Cool idea or less lethal ways like dueling with swords or boxing. Bypass the satanic court system with chick judges…

        2. Duelling with fencing foils might work as well as you can wear a mask and have protection for vital organs, however even paint-balling would do it. Nobody likes to lose. One of the problems with traditional ‘manly’ ways of deciding an issue, was that a sense of proportion between the offence and the remedy was lost.

        4. honor killings ? I thought you were were of western heritage? Maybe i’ll go with the flow if the islamic state takes over

        6. Dueling pistols were found illegal soon after there introduction in most counties. It tended to make a mess. That said I am sure if you ever get in fight you can supply your opponent a pistol to make it interesting.

        7. quite right jihadi john. 77 virgins waiting for you. But I’m sure you’ll whittle that number down

        10. Boxing is a great way to do it. There is something about fighting that brings men closer together.

        11. I’m the kind of guy to bring a gun to a knife fight. I would never fight unless I was more or less certain to win. Fair fights are for losers.

        12. the best way to turn a Beta into an Alpha is to beat his ass in a boxing ring, and then help him get better.

        13. John Woo style is more like ‘star wars stormtrooper style’. If you cannot kill it with one gun, you are less likely to kill it with two. a second firearm is for more targets when your first runs out of ammo, not for using simultaneously.
          If you want to fight Case or Florentine, try it with knives. and don’t get discouraged by all of your cuts.

        14. duelling pistols are one shot at a time, so it doesn’t hurt to have a second Maybe a blunderbuss would be an option, but where’s the finesse?

        15. Quite right. And since you and I have something to settle lets get together and find out who the alpha is! lol!

        16. Hey, I am always always always up for sparring. Boxing, wrestling, SCA heavy (if you have armor), Rapier (I have plenty of armor for both), boffer (No armor required), shooting range, paintball, or golf. I learned very early that there is no test among men that cannot be boiled down to violence, and the best forms of violence are the kinds that don’t leave lasting injury… In the end, fighting is fun, even if it’s abstracted.
          Not gonna get my girls, though :). One advantage of Utah is that they take their combat sports very very seriously.

        20. I always think there is something missing from a man if he doesn’t do at least one form of combat sport. All of those sound good although the stand up stuff is my particular forte. Looks like i have a sparring partner of if I ever visit Utah!

        22. Heh, I will be there with bells… white sheet? jackboots? fedora? assless chaps? (I have been accused alternatively of having all four items in my wardrobe… not sure how that works) on.

        23. Stand up stuff? You mean like the freestyle fencing? Heh, I have to admit a preference for that, even though I am not an expert, because fencing ‘on the line’ is boring as hell… I’d rather envision myself as D’Artagnan or make pithy observances like “I am not left Handed!”, and SCA style lends itself to that far more than the over-ritualized olympic forms.
          Heh, even taser fights can be fun, as long as you don’t have a bum ticker.

        24. Ha by stand up I mean boxing over wrestling. It’s strange but I just can’t get excited about rolling around on the ground with some sweaty guy. I’ll never forget what I saw on Oz…

        26. I don’t watch television. I take it that was a prison rape scene?
          Most ‘real fights’, if they don’t move to weapons, eventually become ground fights. Even if you don’t enjoy them, It’s good to learn ground holds and finishers.

        27. I don’t own those any more than the rest.
          I do have a pretty good stormtrooper costume I made for a comicon a few years back, though. I guess I could wear that and like put a swastika on it or something.

        28. I don’t disagree with the concept of ground fighting. I trained for many years in Aikido which generally means making sure the other guy is on the ground but you are standing in case of attack by multiple attackers. My experience of’real fights’ on the ground generally meant one guy on the ground and several others kicking him and beating him with bats. I’ve been that poor guy on the ground and I learned pretty quick to get back up again.

        31. Free-style fencing? HAVE to look into this. As good as UNC-CH was, they short-shrifted me on this

    2. Agreed, it’s one thing if the other guy is getting in your face, actively white knighting and making the thing his problem. To just drop all the girl’s shit in his lap like that is not cool.

    3. Actually when you see a guy doing this in front of you. What is a good “Alpha” way to respond without looking like a wimp? I’ve had a similar experience before with this in the past.

      1. Just ignore his bullshit unless he comes over and tries something physical. If this dude would’ve hit on my girl, I would just walk past him and grab my girls hand. I usually just ignore chodes like that.

        1. Very well put. It’s much wiser to just walk away than to waste time fighting a supposed “alpha” thinking he’s the shit hitting accompanied chicks with his tight “game”….

      2. Guy: “Yeah well, when this guy you’re with,” I say looking right at him, “can do something about it, let me know.”
        Boyfriend: “You’re right. I can’t do anything about your problem. Small penis syndrome is incurable, I’m afraid. Sorry.”

        1. I hope you’re joking. Insulting another man’s penis size is about the least masculine thing you could do in any situation.

      3. Stand behind the girl.
        Put your hands on her back.
        Gently push her toward the asshole, saying, “Here you go, honey. If you want this dude, be my guest.”

        4. You wouldn’t have confronted anyone in the first place, so it’s a moot point.
          If you’ve been enough of a fool to laugh in anyone’s face, you wouldn’t be around to make comments on ROK. Payback’s a bitch.
          The entire original post was for illustrative purposes only. Ray Wolf never actually did stuff like this. If he had, he wouldn’t be writing about it. He would have gotten a bat to the back of his head by now. The most bad ass motherfuckers don’t go around doing stuff like this, because they know they don’t have to prove anything.
          Back to the original point: Guys that fight over women are weak. Stop mate guarding – you’re only displaying your weakness.

        5. You’re not gaining any credibility with such passionate responses. What does your rant or ‘mate guarding’ have to do with you thanking a guy for ‘testing your woman’ in front of you? Lol. The entire concept is beyond ridiculous. Don’t ever do that in real life.

        6. I tell you what, my oh so masculine friend. Why don’t you go out tomorrow night to a bar and laugh in someone’s face and report back to us how it went.

        7. No need, I know from experience and will do so again if need be. I’ve never been intimidated by men who feel the need to posture as much as you obviously do and have the hands to back it up.

        8. You just don’t give up, do you. You’re missing the point entirely. it’s sad.
          I don’t intimidate people. I get the job done.
          If you actually went around getting “experience” you wouldn’t be bragging about it. Experience sucks. People get hurt, shit gets destroyed. If you would do it again, you haven’t learned.
          Good luck to you; I’m out.

        9. Lol. You can stop posturing now. It’s painfully obvious you’re not to be feared or taken seriously. You pretty blew your cover when you suggested thanking a man for getting your woman’s pussy wet in front of your face. TTYL dude.

        12. Absolutely. Where ‘Shortest Straw’ and I diverge is when he suggests thanking a man for hitting on his significant other, in front of him no less. At best, it’s a sheepish attempt to feign masculinity.
          Any idiot weak enough to thank me for hitting on his girlfriend in front of him, deserves my ridicule and contempt.

        13. If he’s bigger and tougher than me, which is rare, I will blow it off by warning him to wear a condom so he doesn’t catch her HPV.

        14. Lol! Well played. The obvious implication notwithstanding, it certainly beats the hell out of @shorteststraw:disqus’s “Thank you sir may I have another?” mentality.

        15. well, to be fair, both people in that situation are wrong. I would never even get myself into either end of that situation. You don’t take your slave back to the auction unless you are planning to sell her.
          Setting aside the girl for a moment… clearly what she deserves…. amogging some AFC just because you CAN is just flat out low class. No pussy is worth tossing away your self-respect through bullying, and even doing that simply shows you are weak as hell and completely lack self confidence.
          Strength is defined by how much you can burden yourself, not how good you are at forcing others to bear burdens for you. The ONLY correct response if you are on the recieving end is to realize that both of the others involved are garbage, and treat them as such. If you are going to fight, fight because he is being a disrespectful douche, not over the girl.
          Don’t even get angry. you can even be grateful to the guy for proving what a whore she is… but thanking him is pathetic, since he is every bit as far beneath you as she is. It’s like thanking a cold virus for strengthening your immune system.

        16. Don’t even get angry. you can even be grateful to the guy for proving what a whore she is… but thanking him is pathetic, since he is every bit as far beneath you as she is.

          You nailed it up until the last part. I’m a gentleman in the sense that I don’t barhop looking for fights but I don’t limit my behavior to accommodate men with fragile egos either.
          That said, my only real objection is the idea that you shouldn’t “amog some AFC just because you can.” Albeit the logical reasoning make sense, it’s debatable. I don’t see how “taking someone’s food” and self-respect are correlated so I’ll ask outright: Should men not take what they want?
          If a man makes a move, subtle or otherwise and a woman is titillated, should he eschew his natural male tendencies to maintain an illusion?

        17. It might be a generational thing. Bullying is something only the weak do.
          It ties into concepts like honor, honesty, faith, nobless oblige, etc. Yes, I know that today, such ideas are unpopular and nearly unworkable, but the world is a much poorer place for their passing.
          I am strong enough that I can do my best to maintain honor, even if it costs me, because it is what I enjoy on some level and gives me a difficult to assail sense of self-worth. I could get into some highly convoluted psychoethical philosophy that I have worked out over the decades, but in the end it boils down to ‘don’t be a bully’. Especially not just to impress a gash.
          But, I guess if you can’t get laid any other way, I could see the appeal of acting like a turkey.

        18. Any man can try to take what they want but should they? No, because there are consequences. We aren’t animals, just because someone is big doesn’t mean they can get away with anything they want – they aren’t too big for a bullet. Allowing full on law of the jungle would only result in chaos and it would suck especially hard for big burly dudes like the asshat who wrote this piece, the “beta” he punked would be free to handle business appropriately.
          I have to hand it to the author of this article, it has really made me consider getting a concealed carry permit – no court in the country would convict the beta in this story for capping some big gorilla getting aggressive with himself and his girlfriend. I’m not a small guy but there are always these kinds dbags roaming the world who think they can bitch other dudes because they’re freakishly large and the truth is the only real option they give people is to kill them or run.

        19. I think you’re allowing your indignation with the author get in the way of good sense. Based on your logic you support gender equality, which isn’t what we (or at least I) stand for at all.
          Further, if you’re waiting on the meek to inherit the Earth, don’t hold your breath. “Full on law of the jungle” is ubiquitous in day-to-day life. Those who are strongest rule and exercise the power to determine right from wrong. This is true of business, finance, politics and essentially any industry you can think of. The “strongest” isn’t always the “biggest” but the same concept applies. Is it always ‘fair’? No but it’s basic principle of human existence.

        20. I guess my second question is why do you view competition as tantamount to bullying?
          Also, you’ve made a number of fundamental attribution errors. There’s no need to attribute sincere beliefs (honor, honesty, faith, noblesse oblige, et al) as the author clearly expressed his intention to game the young female before he was made aware of the boyfriend’s existence.
          So again, should men walk on perpetual eggshells or are we allowed to take what we want? Based on your philosophy, the author should not have approached until he was 100% certain the woman wasn’t already spoken for? Which seems ridiculous to me for a number of reasons I won’t list.
          There’s ongoing trend amongst the weaker members of society to control the strong and it troubles me deeply that it’s crept its way into RoK. I’m willing to admit the author’s behavior and subsequent dick-waving was questionable but I don’t believe in limiting male agency. If anything is an individualist counterpoint to a increasingly collectivist culture that embraces mediocrity in the name of egalitarianism.

        21. You assume that I am an individualist or that I consider myself an ‘alpha’. That is not true, I am a fascist and a dominant, and I don’t consider ‘alpha’ to be any sort of a boon or particular virtue.
          In point of fact, I don’t have any sort of interest in promoting the welfare or ‘freedom’ of alphas. They are useful if they can bend a knee, and if not, I will happily see them hanged. They are too dangerous to a stable society to pique my interest unless they are capable of behaving with a submissive posture to those who command them, and my only interest in them is how well they will serve as warriors. The ‘betas’ are, in fact, far more useful to me and society as a whole, and I wish to keep them breeding, producing valuable innovations, and I wish as well for a stable structure that will NOT permit them to be cast aside or railroaded by the ‘alpha’, or far less useful, members of society.
          In point of fact, one of the things I love about RoK is that it does exactly that… teaches Betas to behave in a dominant fashion, and thus secure their breeding privileges, place in society, personal happiness and welfare, while leaving their beta-bred skills intact.
          ‘natural’ alphas are generally useless unless you are in a war, or unless they somehow (rarely) possess the sort of leadership abilities that sets them truly above all other men. A leader of men will not take advantage of his physical prowess and treat a productive-class badly simply to take his woman, nor will he threaten such a person in order to boost his own ego… the simple fact that he attempted to do so proves indubitably that he is not a leader, he is simply a useless thug or a beta bully… neither of which stands a chance of helping us settle mars someday.
          That does not, however, mean I support current societal norms. Women are NEVER leaders, and are seldom productive beyond the boundaries of their uterus, and thus creating laws to benefit them at the expense of useful betas is retarded in the extreme.
          I amn not on RoK to promote the cause of individual liberty (Libertarians are useful idiots of the liberals IMO) or even that of PUA’s…. I am here to see Beta men simulate alphas in the most effective way possible, controlling their women or destroying sluts. In a sane society ‘PUA’s and thugs would quickly run afoul of a righteous husband or father that would put them out of their misery, to public support, but since this society is sick I would prefer that both natural and simulated alphas continue their trend of turning slatternly women into sperm receptacles destined for the cat-lady dump.
          I was simply pointing out that by the author’s own admission, he is behaving like a troll and proving his unfitness for anything beyond the approved role of cunt-destroyer. A role which, when society either self-destructs or regains it’s sanity, will quickly and justifiably result in a short trip to the morgue.
          Concepts like honor, justice, honesty, faith, and noblesse oblige are not for the likes of them. But do not confuse the idea of treating another man honorably with being a wimp, putting the pussy on a pedestal, or egalitarianism. And also do not confuse following your dick with self-actualization. He insulted another man he did not know in order to worship the pussy… not out of competition, or individualism, or self-confidence, but to make a girl wet and ‘prove his badassitude’. Simply the fact that he felt he needed to take such steps to affirm his worth and attract the girl is slave-bully mentality as hell.

        22. First, I should point out that you initiated the use of the word ‘Alpha,’ not me. Secondly, that’s well and good but ‘Alpha’ isn’t a virtue, it’s a basic principle of human behavior and social organization. The concept is more or less evident in nature and civilization, whether you decide to promote the welfare of Alpha males or not. A Beta male is likely to have as much success comprehensively emulating the behavior of a genuine ‘Alpha’ male as…well, pigs will flying. The author is strong evidence of that, if nothing else.
          Further, you’ve misread my comment. I presumed the the author of this piece was an individualist, as well as a counterpoint to an increasingly collectivist culture where the weaker elements seek to control the strong. Not only have you substantiated those beliefs, you’ve taken it a step further by admitting to advocate a notably more collectivist culture where the strong are only useful “if they can bend a knee” and are candidates for hanging otherwise.
          Assuming that your statement wasn’t hyperbole, I find it contemptible and would be remiss if I didn’t say you’re walking a fine line as I see little dissimilarity between your beliefs and those of our ‘progressive overlords’ who actively ostracize men who won’t “bend a knee.”
          Lastly, at the risk of sounding combative, you’ve yet to address either of my questions. Which were:
          A. Why do you view competition as tantamount to bullying?
          B. Should men walk on perpetual eggshells or are we allowed to take what we want?
          As I’ve mentioned above, I don’t advocate degenerate behavior but I don’t have a habit of making fundamental attribution errors either. So I won’t assume he was following his dick or worshipping pussy for simply gaming a girl then standing his ground while being browbeaten by two people, at the same time because it’s faulty reasoning.

        23. A. False attribution. Does your mother know you are gay? I never asserted that competition was tantamount to bullying, I asserted that what amounted to threats was bullying.
          B. False Dichotomy. You are placing two conclusions into conflict where there are not necessarily a conflict. Do I think Men should walk on eggshells? When necessary, yes. Do I think men should take what they want? Absolutely. There is no conflict, as it is entirely contextual, and it is not a question of being ‘allowed’ or ‘not allowed’.
          I like how you framed it as collectivism, though, as if somehow having rules and leadership is tantamount to the people’s republic.
          Do I think a society is more important than the sum of it’s parts? Clearly. A society is capable of accomplishing things individuals cannot. Do I believe in socialism? absolutely not, since, while labor and productivity can be pooled, intelligence cannot.
          The fact that you see a rational dictatorship as similar to collective socialism is your failing, not mine. Apparently you are some sort of anarchist. I can respect that, but this is not a discussion of anarchy versus overlordship, since such a discussion can almost never be rational… the discussion always dissolves into claiming the other is an extremist and takes all sorts of ridiculous positions with no bearing on reality, a reality which is, in the end, a balancing act between individuality and leadership.
          The extreme position on a man ‘being allowed to take what he wants’ results in pure warlordism, dog-eat-dog, and a complete breakdown of the concepts of humans as anything but beasts. The extreme position of ‘walking on eggshells’ results in pure antlike complacency, utter slavery to the state, and a total loss of humanity.
          So the answer to both questions is ‘purple’. Gigo. I didn’t address the questions because they are both logically flawed, one in ascribing an attitude I do not possess in order to justify a behavior that does not apply, the other because of a false dichotomy.

        24. In regards to A:
          I won’t address your ad hominem as it’s commonplace when confronted with information that conflicts with existing values or beliefs. However, I will say that if standing your ground, when confronted with a tandem browbeating, is a threatening bully tactic then every man here is threatening bully. As I alluded to in my last comment, you may have more in common with progressives, in this regard, than you think. With that said, I’m content with putting this particular matter to bed.
          In regards to B:
          In this case, there is a conflict but I can see this is getting us nowhere, so I’ll rephrase the question: What, in your opinion, could the author have done that would have made it okay to engage the female? Ask for her permission to speak? If so and if she allows it, what then? If she’s willing to be engaged thereafter, despite her significant other, should a man eschew his natural male tendencies to maintain another man’s illusion? If so why?
          Regarding “as if somehow having rules and leadership is tantamount to the people’s republic”
          How I “framed it” is irrelevant. Fascism is a form of collectivism. I assumed everyone knew that. You said, point blank “I am a fascist” and your views align with your statement. End of story.
          I read everything you wrote after that out of respect but won’t bother addressing it since you didn’t know Fascism was also a form of collectivism and understandably, missed the point.
          However, I’m curious: Can you name a modern and enduring ‘rational dictatorship’?

        25. The comment ‘does your mother know you are gay?’ was not intended as an insult, It was meant as an example of what I am talking about… creating a false attribution, or a question that cannot be answered because any answer creates a viewpoint that the target does not possess. No, I do not usually indulge in pointless ad hominem attacks, but you seemed to misunderstand the point behind the phrase.
          ‘modern and enduring’? does not exist. The closest would be Vatican city, but it is an outlier for a number of reasons. However, if you wish to name effective and enduring rational dictatorships of the past, I could give you a list as long as my arm. There are basically two earmarks of a truly rational dictatorship:
          1. They are limited. A dictator, whether Ceasar, king, Baron, General, or el presidente, is not totalitarian. Micromanagement is a death blow for a government, always. Status levels are very clearly defined, with each successive level sworn or answerable to the level immediately above and below them. The moment there is a ‘break’ in the chain of command, or an area where responsibility is not shared, both up and down the chain 1 level, it becomes a despotism. This was the original intent of the representative republic, and it worked spectacularly until the federalists fucked it up. an Armed populace is an outstanding way of ensuring that leaders can be held accountable, and was the reason the second amendment was drafted.
          2. They are small. Empires, unless administrated on a local level with little imperial oversight, soon become bogged in their own bureacracy… leaders make new rules to give themselves more followers or more power, instead of to create new opportunities. This is an effective method for a corrupt individual to create a gap in the chain of command, and to eliminate responsibility to those he is ruling. The moment a ruler cannot be personally approached and/or confronted by those immediately below them in the chain of command, That person is no longer a ruler, they are a despot… a warlord, or a thief.
          But, as far as ‘enduring’ is concerned, There is no such thing. Governments change. Generally that change occurs every 250 years OR LESS. The closest thing that can approach ‘enduring’ is a system of government where that change is controlled and accounted for. China, for example, changed dynasties frequently… the ‘chinese empire’ endured for a long time, but every couple of hundred years it was completely altered with a new dynasty, remaining an ’empire’ in name only.
          Even a Kingdom or Empire tends to change every couple of years, or even every generation. Elizabeth’s government was NOTHING like the government of Henry VIII, (ignoring the short reigns in between) even though they were in close temporal proximity… the governments changed completely even though it remaind a ‘Monarchy’.

        27. You’re mis- interpreting (or understanding) the meaning of a correspondence bias. Attribution errors aren’t allegations so much as attempts to draw conclusions from something, fallacious as they may be.
          What is a Fundamental attribution error:
          A great excellent example is how you reference Libertarian concepts, I assume because my views have lead you to believe that I subscribe to those ideologies. Would it surprise you to discover that I’m a Monarchist at heart? Confusing right right? Such is the correspondence bias.
          What is not a Fundamental attribution error:
          “Does your mother know you are gay?” It’s a non-sequitur. It doesn’t logically follow anything that was said. Naturally, one will assume it’s an insult when context is limited or absent.
          I won’t go into depth here but if you care to understand them, I would start here and here
          My question regarding the author was overlooked, so I can’t argue his point but assume I disagree until your arguments resonate with reason.
          I more or less agree with your words following “earmarks of a truly rational dictatorship…” with the exception of a few fallacious statements but I won’t nitpick.
          Lastly, with reference to your final paragraph, I believe the phrase ‘floating abstraction’ is relevant here. The only Fascist state that’s lasted longer than a single generation was Portugal and if you ask a portuguese national (which I know a number of) they definitely aren’t better off for it. Additionally “Fascist forms of government recognize that humans are imperfect” is an understatement.

        28. Ahh, correspondence bias again. I think we need to refine terms.
          Apparently the word ‘Fascism’ is highly deterministic and it’s definition been fought over since the term was originated in the 30’s, so I should probably clarify what I mean.
          Authoritarian, not totalitarian
          Militaristic, placing highest value on Military.
          Consistent, non-democratic leadership, or limited democracy (ie. only ex service members vote, only landowners vote, only fathers vote, etc.)
          A justice system focussed on addressing a problem, not on ‘rehabilitation’ or being ‘humane’, or perhaps possessing different values of ‘Humane’ from current forms. Corporal punishment, not prisons. Swift and definitive justice for all, but not immutable.
          Social controls and benefits left in the public sphere, including welfare, marriage, etc.
          Taxation based upon national income. IE duties, import fees, etc.
          Revolving door, contractual public works projects.
          Free market economics, strict anti-trust , anti-monopoly and anticompetetive practices controls.
          Strong, but not absolute, property laws, including recognition of some forms of slavery.
          Strong (but not immutable) Hierarchy, with emphasis on upwards mobility of middle class, natural hierarchy, and monoculturism.
          In short, my ‘fascism’ is more a function of social style rather than a strictly defined form of government. a constitutional monarchy could qualify, as could a military dictatorship, feudalism (with knighthood), or if some method could be found to impliment it, a Meritocracy.
          It does not neccessarily include jack boots or ranting overlords. A leader is mandatory, but I looked at the book ‘starship troopers’ as more a utopian fantasy than a distopian hell.
          These forms of ‘fascism’ often existed, but were not referred to as fascist because up until this century, they were an organic form of government, and rarely questioned. Of COURSE a strong man wil swear fealty to a stronger one, to the mutual respect and benefit of both. of COURSE Landowners should have more say in a government than a beggar.
          Not sure if I agree with a strict monarchy or feudalism, however, because both tend to strictly restrict upwards mobility by either concentrating ownership in the hands of the few, or disassociating hereditary power from Ownership.
          I subscribe strongly to the theory that almost every sociopolitical group has some pieces of the great puzzle that is humanity, and I will not discard a piece simply because it comes from a source that is otherwise retarded.
          The liberals are right… public healthcare and education are important to producing a superior population from which to draw cannon fodder and economic growth. They way they attempt to accomplish this is a complete and utter failure and the worst sort of fantasy, but the basic idea is sound.
          The Ethno-nationalists are right in that monoculturism produces the strongest nation morally, socially, and influentially. However, ‘mingling’ the races is a far better solution, producing a hybrid population rather than permitting ethnic enclaves and ghettoism to divide a population racially and culturally.
          Both the theo-traditionalists and the anti-theologists are right. a Unified religion, and faith, are hugely important to maintaining a monoculture, yet at the same time fanaticism needs to be squelched, and harshly, when it begins to control public discourse rather than inform it.
          The humanitarians and hawks are right in that where applicable, charitable foreign aid is a GREAT way to destroy other nation’s ability to compete with us. There is no greater way to ensure an otherwise threatening country is kept as a third world shithole than encouraging them to accept, and become dependent upon, our largesse. backed by a strong military.
          The feminists, though? I am trying hard to figure out what they bring to the table, but so far I am drawing a blank. I mean, they support institutionalized racial suicide, disenfranchisement of upwards mobility and meritocracy, celebration of mediocrity, government by beauty pageant, and truth by consensus.
          Like Jeet koon do, the strongest nation will be one that pulls stuff that ‘works’ from other cultures, and discards what doesn’t work… the only way to judge what does and does not work, are the lessons of history.

        29. I subscribe strongly to the theory that almost every sociopolitical group has some pieces of the great puzzle that is humanity, and I will not discard a piece simply because it comes from a source that is otherwise retarded.

          That’s an interesting point and also why I’m only opposed to “Fascism,” in its entirety. It does have its redeeming qualities, a few of which you named. If I had to choose between the wings, of the dreaded bird called collectivism, I would choose Fascism hands down.
          I suppose the underlying point of my last comment was that if we have to eschew reality and dig through obscure theories to draw up functionalist discourses that match what we want to see, chances are we’re on the wrong track.
          For example when you say a military dictatorship could qualify for your style of ‘fascism,’I think “Well, there are military dictatorships all over the world, why not live in one of them?” but common sense tells us why.
          Now, in turn we can tell ourselves “NAMDALT” or we can accept history and reality at face value, then head back to the drawing board. I would also apply the same logic to a constitutional monarchy. In 1814 John Adams said:

          Democracy has never been and never can be so durable as aristocracy or monarchy; but while it lasts, it is more bloody than either.
          […]
          Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.

          A number of America’s founding fathers sang the same tune. How did they know this? Because his descendants had just fled an oppressive constitutional monarchy to create a new kind of government.
          Also, to date, that same constitutional monarchy still represents it’s citizens jussst enough to keep their jobs.

          Not sure if I agree with a strict monarchy or feudalism, however, because both tend to strictly restrict upwards mobility by either concentrating ownership in the hands of the few, or disassociating hereditary power from Ownership.

          This is true to a degree but the former could easily be said of a ‘meritocratic’ system as well. In Singapore, for example, Singaporeans criticize their meritocracy for causing the society to become increasingly stratified.
          An absolute Monarchy, in my mind, is more desirable than a ‘Fascist’ system for several reasons:
          Fascism advocates a radically centralized society; Monarchy/Feudalism, a decentralized one.
          Fascism is typically accompanied by a complete lack of individual rights; Monarchy/Feudalism historically has an elaborately detailed code of rights for each person.
          Fascism features the unchecked will of the leader; Monarchy/Feudalism: a formal rule of law.
          Absolutely Monarchies typically last hundreds to thousands of years; A Fascist government will last a decade, if it’s lucky.
          I could go on but the real the reason I’m a Monarchist at heart is far more pragmatic: A monarch, inherited in his position without the corrupting need to accept money or input from bankers or activists (respectively) because he doesn’t need to be re-elected.
          The unified faith and religion are there. Monoculturism and deep sense of nationalism are still there and policy is predicated on need, not ideology.
          The problem with far-wing movements is that citizens who don’t subscribe to the ideology still need to be “compelled” for it to work and democracies are eventually rigged by every cheap politico who’d sell his mother for a single vote.
          That’s my 2¢ Also, this is an interesting discourse but I have to be honest, I only have one or two more good replies in me.

        30. No worries, I share your disgust for Dumbocracy. The one thing I feel most strongly about, even more than property rights, is the right of exit.
          The thing is, while today most military dictatorships are despotism masquerading as dictatorship, in the past they HAVE worked…. when they are tied to a mitigating influence like christianity, and when the right of exit is preserved.most ‘monarchies’ actually started as military dictatorships formalized via inheritance.
          My biggest concern though is that hereditary powers become divorced from the needs of their people. why should a monarch care if half his kingdom is in the midst of a drought when he still has food on his table? such situations, where leaders are utterly unconnected to their subjects, are the source of much government injustice throughout history.
          There are ways to combat this (making the future prince work on a farm every summer, and join the military as a common soldier, for example) but who is to say that this will remain consistent generation after generation?

      4. I would love to say beat them into submission, take there women and plunder there belongings but the reality is to walk. Almost none of the possible outcomes of an optional physical confrontation are positive. Take it from someone who has been in more than one physical confrontation.

        1. I gotta agree with this comment, fighting over bitches is stupid and the only one who really wins is the woman. I have seen what happens when two drunk men fight the winner gets arrested and charged does six months in jail, and while he is there the bitch fucks his best friend. Fighting or arguing in public over women plays into a woman’s worst instincts as attention whores, and is the most visceral validation of their ego and self worth. In truth any woman worth fighting over will avoid putting you in a situation where you have to fight because she will worry about your long term well being as it reflects on her and her choice in a long term partner.

        2. very true. I recently upgraded when it comes to women and the level of attention my new girl gets is unbelievable; the fucking bartender the other night tried his damndest to game her right in front of me but she gets that shit constantly so i just let it be cause 5min later we’re kissing right in front of the douche. I go to pay the tab and he is practically pouting because he had some good game but the chick runs into that shit all the time, he really thought he was gonna amog me. The hard reality is that it is up to the woman who she is with, there is no use fighting over her – if she don’t want you she’ll leave and if she does want you, there is no need to fight some random guy. A girl that will get you into fights doesn’t really want you or she has mental problems.

        3. A simple and effective line the guy in the article could have said to the author:
          “Can it classless trash man.”
          He could have used this after the “I don’t like your tone line.” The author is a big puffy pussy who most likely would have backed down. Bravado is what gets your nose broken.

      5. Act like they don’t exist. I have had much worse. I was in one situation where guys followed me down the street trying to talk to my girl. I couldn’t hear them and neither could my girl.
        In another setting, guys were literally trying to pull the girl out of my hands. Yeah I could have got mad and attacked them. Instead I just pulled my girl back.
        Job done.

    4. The writer nailed it about how women’s minds work, but hitting on chicks right in front of their male partners is just wrong (by the way, did he actually fucked her or did he just “guessed” that she wanted to “take his clothes off”?).. anyway, that wasn’t cool, and it’s something I wouldn’t do.. and if a chick trades a loyal partner for assholish attitudes like this, then the partner is better of without her…

      1. In the author’s defense, this happened in a bar where people traditionally go to hook up, so they should expect their girl to get hit on.
        For the life of me, I can’t figure out why guys bring their girlfriends to bars/clubs. It’s like they have a cuckold fetish or something.

        1. yeah…. you don’t take sand to the beach…. take a date to a quiet restaurant and then home for a fuck… (or better yet, skip the first part and just stay at home)… you don’t parade her about noisy, sleazy clubs, not least because it’s a total cock block and waste of time, energy and money going out when you already have a chick on your arm……

        2. That blows my mind and I see it all the time. I’ve never said to my girlfriend “hey, let’s go spend our money on overpriced drinks and cab rides so other dudes can oogle you.” Then again, I have never understood bars all that much either. Drinking around an open fire is how drinking should be done.

        3. You aren’t a loser who lives in philly with an attention whore 20 something woman for a girl… So of course it blows your mind

        4. 1) Challenging men in front of their woman is wrong and in this era you might find some guy who you can beat up but is willing to pull out a gun or knife to protect his ego.
          2) Bringing your woman to a bar/club can be risky but it can also help you if you are someone who other women will check out. Sometimes it is a good thing for your woman to see that there are other women out there who want a piece of you. However, I will agree with you in the sense that you have to pick the venue wisely…

        5. A venue like that is a woman’s idea, so she can attention whore, get free drinks, and potentially be hit on by a higher value man. Only a beta would take a date to a meat market. Nevertheless, there was no reason for the author to humiliate that guy simply because he could.

        6. I’ve never gone to a club with anyone I’ve held a relationship with since taking the redpill. You realise it’s fraught with landlmines. She gets hit on by another person then boom there is some societal expectation I do something mostly physical about it. However if I get hit on and that girl has a boyfriend then I’m at risk. Women glass men and also men, I’ve known a man to lose an eye. With no thought of recompense. I go out on my own terms with buddies. Flirt but keep it above aboard. She can go out and flirt but keep it above board. If you drop the hammer on every guy who tries to make a move then you will end up someone’s bitch in prison or potentially dead. It’s not worth it.

        7. It is a rare thing that I take my girlfriend to a club. For me the worst thing is that I will see tons of great pussy and not be able to do a damn thing about it, not even look because I’ll hear about it later. Hell, I will hear about it even if I don’t look.
          As for other guys, that aspect doesn’t worry me because I own my woman. Guys chat to my girl it doesn’t bother me because when I come over they recognize who she belongs to. My woman knows this too.
          That said, I don’t think the author would mess with a man who has his woman on lock.

        11. It is a terrible mistake to just assume you can beat someone. A few years ago a saw a mountain of a man get the crap kicked out of him by a smallish guy in his forties.

        12. Right. It is the guy’s fault for taking his gf to a bar and not the insecure author’s fault for being a bully (not even close to alpha). If he was genuine he would have done the same thing if it was Brock Lesner with the girl and we both know that would never happen.
          And he wasn’t being “mistaken or being conceited here” he was being delusional because if he was right he would have hooked up with her. Pathetic.

        14. Yous are actually fucking delusional…
          Obviously most people go out to have a drink and have fun with friends or a partner. Paranoid guys

        15. And you can’t hear yourself think. And clubs don’t have jacuzzis. So WHY bother?

        17. Ernestine Anderson (look her up, whippersnappers) said the final word on clubbing and hookups: “When you get my age, you learn what to do with your time.”

        20. Haha better yet he probably tried messed around with another man girl and got his teeth kicked in but not in a million years u’ll ever see him writing about it here or else here since is a prosumed an alpha and alpha don’t get beaten by other men…..

        22. Good point. Rules are different in the meat factories. If someone is married or committed to the other person, why the hell would they be in such a place.

    5. Agreed. If the the boyfriend felt threatened enough and was carrying a weapon this story would not only have ended differently, but the woman would have cum on herself with her boyfriend gallantly defending her like that.

    6. Agreed. I get the point of female hypergamy but to be a total fucking douchebag to possibly one of your readers makes you quite the asshole.

    7. I do question why the guy didn’t keep his girl in check and curb her running mouth. When I’ve had girls unload at bouncers, I’ve told them, “Leave the man alone, he’s working.”
      You’ve gotta clip this the instant it starts. If instead you let her run her mouth like this at other guys for minutes on end, it’s only going to end one way: With her manning up …and expecting you to clobber the other guy for her.
      If you walk into a situation where she’s already doing this, you gotta make instant friends with the guy she’s been picking a fight with while scolding her poor behavior. Greet him like a brother who’s done you a favor. “Hey! Thank you for finding her!” Turn to her and scold her, “I’ve been looking for you for forever. Did you get lost?” then firmly pivot her around and walk her away.
      If she bitches about it afterwards, he’s your friend, you know him through work, you’re not going to clobber a co-worker just because she’s bitchy today.
      You do not want a woman to go around picking fights for you. You need to stomp out this bad behavior the instant it starts.

      1. Best reply to the question. See the issue and chock it off before the situation escalates. Always maintain frame. That’s the issue the loser in the story had. He had no frame.

        1. Before even that, you probably shouldn’t be dating somebody who would even spout off in the first place.

      2. You know when any girl is hit on, boyfriend or not, she has the option to ignore it and NOT respond. So when women get all dressed up with a slutty porn-star look, and snap when a guy hits on them, and the guy responds with not only appropriate, but deserving asshole game, everything points back to the woman in the first place.
        Women typically don’t pick fights with guys because they want an actual fight, they want an act, a dramatic screen play that gives their meager lives purpose beyond it’s true value. This is what is misunderstood. Rarely do you stumble upon the ghetto scene where a woman is trying to physically attack a man because he killed her dog, beat up her little brother, or vandalized her car. In a bar it’s an arousal indicator. Translation:”I’m not getting the exact attention I want tonight so I’ll piggyback off this guys asshole game to cause a scene and fulfill myself. If it goes on long enough, I’ll just fuck him.”

        1. So when women get all dressed up with a slutty porn-star look, and snap when a guy hits on them, and the guy responds with not only appropriate, but deserving asshole game, everything points back to the woman in the
          first place.
          What’s disappointing is that so many have missed this exact point on the thread. Too busy playing the Michelle Obama approved “You’re a buuuuullllyyyyy” game.

        2. I think we do get the point just that we find his actions unnecessarily hostile. Then again we don’t know the actual situation enough to judge.

        3. Good point… I am dressed like a whore, but you better not treat me like one, I am royalty after all…. LOL

      4. No you need to get rid of her. Stay single or find a women with better ethics and morals. If you have to discipline someone become a kindergarten teacher .

    8. That dude let his woman run her mouth. He deserved the admonishment. He said nothing back because he was afraid of the physical altercation that would ensue. There is nothing wrong with dominating another man in front of his woman. He let the situation get to that point due to not keeping his woman in check

      1. “There is nothing wrong with dominating another man in front of his woman.”
        That is traditional alpha behaviour, which may have some immediate rewards for the dominator.
        The problem is at present it plays to the advantage of women as a whole and to the disadvantage of men as a whole. If the top alphas have dark triad characteristics, there’s also a bit psychopathy involved. I would question whether that’s the solution rather than – at least at present – the problem. I am not taking an ethical standpoint except with respect to the pragmatism of the situation we all find ourselves in

        2. Alpha and psychopath are different concepts and any overlap may or may not be coincidental. The fact that women seem to be attracted to dark triad characteristics suggests there is at least some, and maybe quite a lot of overlap, but that doesn’t mean the two concepts are equivalent. For example I wouldn’t associate empathy with either psychos (who by definition are empathy impoverished) or with alphas. However there is no necessary reason why alpha behaviour should exclude empathic behaviour as long as that behaviour does not involve making his own interests secondary.
          My concern is that I think a lot of alpha behaviour at present is effectively anti-social (if not clinically psychopathic) and this is the kind of behaviour that disadvantages men as a whole and plays to women’s advantage through its short-termism. Insofar as psychopathic + alpha behaviour is likely to be unprincipled and unconstrained by codes of honour, or anything beyond self-interest that behaviour will reinforce hypergamous instincts in women as a whole, not least by setting men against men in a competition for women that raises the collective SMV of women as a whole. Where the alpha and the psychopath overlap there is only narrow self-interest and short-termism. Given the incentives that exist in society for men to betray their group interests that overlap may be a major problem, as psycho-alpha cares only about his own interests. That overlap may well go some way towards explaining the elites who govern us today and their readiness to shit upon ordinary men

        3. I would say this. Psychos mimic empathy and can talk very convincingly. Obviously this is why they would excel at politics. Psychos have a different physical and genetic profile to normal human beings. Some people can see through their bullshit and not be fooled. Some psychos either inspire disgust in those that know them or avoid getting close to people because they know they will eventually be caught out. These psychos do not make good leaders and are not alpha males.
          You can also get female psychos for whom being alpha is impossible.
          Some people think that being alpha is being a bully and pushing people around. It is not. That is being a coward and this kind of behaviour is usually displayed by less intelligent men who carefully avoid anyone who can fight back. The alpha male is one who inspires confidence in his followers and demonstrates unflappable confidence in the face of adversity. Even when he is outmatched physically (say by the bully) he will find another way to beat his foe. This man has the courage of his convictions and does not need to fool or coerce people into following him as does the psycho.
          Let us not also remember that being a psycho does not make you somehow stronger or tougher than other people. It just means that the lengths that such a person will go to realise their goals are limited only by their desires.
          Self-interest and short-termism seem like oxymorons and there is nothing about an alpha male that suggests he would demonstrate either behaviour.

        4. I’m not hating on the alpha, or trying to brand him as a psychopath. Those are different constructs. I am not sure however I believe in the notion of a true or ideal alpha. There are good leaders, with natural leadership skills who I would be happy to label as alpha. If they dominate it is likely to be done through a display of strength of character as the basis of leadership. You might get those kinds of qualities in a military officer, where you would expect that officer to be loved and followed perhaps to the degree that he demonstrated that he loved his men, ate with them, socialised with them, fought at their head on the battlefield. Is that man alpha, yes, but then the psycho bully who dominates ‘his men’ through fear, and ruthless, heartless discipline might also be alpha. His men might be cowed into following him, yet he might care nothing for them, and sacrifice them at his whim. What I’m getting at is that there may not be any moral centre to being an alpha even if there is arguably such a centre to being a ‘leader of men’. Maybe we can think in terms of what an ideal alpha should be, and no doubt there have been plenty of such men, but then we should understand that in terms of an ideal; perhaps someone we aspire to be like or potentially (and there would be no shame) even to follow.
          My concern though remains insofar as alpha behaviour may be shaped not by any such ideals as we might identify say makes one “a good leader’ or ‘what makes one a good man’ but rather in terms of what is most likely to get the most women or get the most success – defined in narrow and selfish terms. Which leads to the further reflection that at the least, alphadom is correlated to success – if one displays alpha behaviours but without alpha success are you still an alpha? Its like seeing a Lion in the zoo. Magnificent creature. King of the Beasts, but unfortunately for him for all the admiration he receives from visitors to the zoo, he’s still in a cage

        5. I found myself in this situation recently. Approach, hook rapport, comfort and subtle physical escalation to number close in front of the guy. He did absolutely nothing about it until I gave the opportunity (allowing him to change her number to a random one). Engaging him into the conversation I found out when he was in the country and for how long he’s gonna be out the country. As well as the best times to message his girlfriend (which she told me). Before retaining the number again just as my friend said he was going to another bar.

        6. men have always taken women off other / weaker men. Maybe he will lay into her when they get home, or just stick his head in the sand and hope she was just flirting. But the point I was making was that a situation where such things are normal encourages slutty behaviour, and ups the value of women – including those who may have no intention of doing anything other than soaking up the attention – at the expense of men generally. Its not about dominating other men being wrong necessarily (its the law of the jungle when it comes to sex I guess) but about the aggregate effect if it isn’t done selectively. If it isn’t about a lay (which obviously it might be), then its just more attention for women, which raises her value relative to him, and all you get is a kind of feeling of one-up-manship. Think of attention as CO2 and the manosphere as the ozone layer.

        1. I understand you were making a point, I would just like to warn any readers here do not try these tactics unless you are ready for a possible confrontation. The author was ready to back his talk up, do not do this unless like the author you are ready to take it to the next level. If you are black and hang out where black people congregate do not do this at all it will escalate into something unreasonably excessive( to put it elegantly).

      3. I think it was said somewhere else on ROK. Power is situational. If I am somewhere and some 300 lb beast starts talking shit to me I am walking. I dont care how bad ass you are mass wins. But back in the real world, I bet I cut his check. Don’t play in the wrong side of the pool if thats your game

        1. I agree with that. I avoid fights myself. It’s not the fight that scares me it’s the police report or the other guys friend who gives u a sucker punch from behind.
          In college I fought a lot, but once adult life hits you, you lose the inclination. All of the venues have cameras now too.

        2. 2 friends of mine did time a little while back, different incidences,.. because cameras proved them fighting. Get this, in both cases they DID NOT start the fight, just finished it. Lawsuits, broken bones, hospital bills, facial reconstruction. Yea, it’s not worth it. You have to run or find a bouncer nowadays. plus everyone’s phones.

        3. You can beat bouncers but you have to take the game to a level they are not familiar with. I have had bouncers try to menace me before or goad me into a fight. In my experience, many bouncers are cowards who want to get you into a fight so they and all their bouncer friends can beat you up. The trick is not to respond to their provocations and come back at them in a way they cannot deal with.

    9. Gender traitor? I might have agreed with you a year or two ago. Now, my principles extend only to those who have taken the red pill. Non red pill men have no respect for these principles, so I feel no obligation to show them such consideration in return.
      Hate being emasculated in front of your girl? Take the red pill. Afraid of being cuckolded? Take the red pill. Fuck whoever doesn’t.

      1. “Got a problem? Take the RedPill”
        What does that really mean?
        I worry that this is a slippery slope. While I agree with the sentiment in theory, I feel like this can slip into male rationalization hamster… “This guy is not RedPill, fuck him he’s a loser”.
        I can imagine young guys who get together to be “RedPill” not as men thinking for themselves but rather trying to fit into some imaginary “alpha” gang.
        Begs the question of what being a RedPill man really means.

        1. “Got a problem? Take the RedPill”What does that really mean?

          It’s meaning is evident: Stop being a fucking pussy. No one honors the timid, everyone admires the bold. Which was the moral of @ccontrary:disqus’s piece.
          Also, as a general rule, I deem any male enabling degenerate female behavior as”non red pill” and thus not worthy of the dignities accorded our fellow “red pill” men. Either take the red pill or don’t and fuck those who don’t.

      2. the “beta” guy may have been redpill as fuck, what is he supposed to do with some aggressive guy much larger than him starting shit with his gf? The bouncer douche obviously started everything shouting a line at a passing couple so it is understandable that the female got angry, what is redpill joe supposed to do now that he is facing a much larger man? Don’t say keep his woman in line; women are like children and the bouncer instantly made her emotional – this shit can happen to any man out with his girl. Being “redpill” doesn’t stop a larger man from imposing his will, it is not magic, this is still the real world.

        1. I agree but your reply is somewhat of a non-sequitur. The author’s actions we’re clearly in poor taste but this is the real world (your words) and not everyone is nice to you.
          That said, is the author obligated to mince words and feign politeness if it isn’t his character? or worse out of some false sense of gender camaraderie? Both seem equally ridiculous.

      1. LMAO-all these bros never got the memo that a trained combat athlete, military combat vet, or Sam Colts inventions could all potentially humble their delusional egos in a matter of seconds given the right set of variables. Arrogant clowns. All my training has taught me humility.
        Ive never understood all the insane pride because I know a 73 yo with a Glock is as bad ass as any juiced up bro ever thought about and you never know when it can go down with all the armed crazies in this insane Country. Being from the South with all these crazy people strapped up has taught me to be polite, chill, and respectful.

        1. My friends ex-Army son will now spend the rest of his life in a wheelchair. He squeezed in front of a pickup truck entering an Arizona highway and when the truck beeped, he flipped him off. Then truck sped by him and fired three shots into his car. One bullet severed his spinal cord; another missed his fiancee’s head by inches. The kid was a tough guy, but not any more as his life is ruined. The author is a total dumb fuck for acting the way he did. There is a difference between Asshole Game and Shit-for-Brains Game. Oh by the way, the pickup truck driver was never found.

    12. “Yeah well, when this guy
      you’re with,” I say looking right at him, “can do something about it, let me
      know.”
      Mary, Mary, quite
      Contrary, that statement can straight up get you paralyzed or killed. A bouncer
      I worked with has been in a wheelchair for over 15 years because another
      bouncer embarrassed a customer in front of his girl and friends. Pissed off
      customer goes home, gets gun, comes back and fires through front door at the
      first bouncer he sees. Innocent bouncer takes the bullet while asshole bouncer
      was taking a leak.
      Yeah, 99 times out of 100
      you’ll get away with showing up a dude in front of his crew but that 1 time you
      pick the wrong guy – and you can never tell who it’s going to be – he’ll punch
      your ticket to wheelchairville or the afterlife before last call. And you were
      willing to take that risk over what? A dumb trick who in your own words was an
      “American vampire… exuding the usual cuntish attitude and haughty entitlement.”?
      Not smart at all.
      Your bio says you’re a
      scholar, but judging by this post, you are definitely not a gentleman, or an “alpha”.
      Or a very good writer, for that matter.
      My suggestion to any new,
      young readers to ROK; unless you have a thing for jail cells, wheelchairs or
      coffins, don’t listen to this punk. It’s one thing to give shitty game advice –
      what’s one more five knuckle shuffle? It’s quite another to be dispensing
      pointless AMOG posturing that could cause you to needlessly eat a knuckle
      sandwich – or a bullet.
      Tl;dr Unless
      he’s begging for it, your dignity is at stake, and you know for a fact he can’t/won’t retaliate, NEVER embarrass a man in front of his friends and especially not
      in front of his girl. You never know who the killers are.

    13. Was an insecure pussy move. Plenty of chicks would call you out on it but if you are a roided meat head they don’t want to get their guy in a fight. I also noticed while the author and his friend “knew she was into him” he didn’t get laid. So who cares.

    14. Plus, it’s a REALLY good way to get your ass kicked. There is no way I would have let that remark slide, and I don’t care how big he is.

      1. It doesn’t matter how big someone is if you use Gracie bjj locks on them, rip their eyes out, hit them in the groin, or smash their throat in. I learned alot of fight techniques from a Vietnam operator who killed by the dozen. Let them be big and bad but if you blitzkrieg their vital areas they arent going to be fighting anymore. Its stupid to seek out conflict.
        This article sucks.
        It should be called, “How to be a Jersey Shore Ronnie cocky jack ass douche bag and get opened up on by urban psychos with Glocks acting like a clown at night by talking shit and confronting and disrespecting them and their girl in public places where many bad people carry guns use drugs and drink very heavily- all for my silly pride and delusional ego to prove Im cool and a man to my inner self and for a potential shot at hooking up with lame mediocre American 7s who could give me herpes or HIV and if I did marry would divorce rape me in 5 years and leave me the tab for 2 snot nosed kids who will also grow up to be working class and slave away in a factory or corporate park”. In a word-retarded.

    16. He didnt even consider that guy could’ve been coming down on some bad trip or just got out of jail or hated the World and been ready to go off and sliced him or started blasting up the place like the Medellin cartel. If that had happened in Miami projectiles could’ve flown because they are some locos up in that bitch. I guess its more of a “Hey yo” thing in Philly but what wouldve happened in the Bronx?

    17. If he would have hit on my girl in front of me like that, I would have beaten the shit out of this “Lauchgestalt”. (We call that a weak man without muscles or fighting skills)

    18. why he did him a favor. If he didn’t do that to the guy, someone else worse would have.

  7. All of women’s decisions on based on either one of two things:
    1)Whatever their instincts tell them to do.
    2)Whatever the dominant authority/culture tells her to do. This might be a manifestation of #1.
    Period. End of Story.
    As i always said, women just follow their animal instinct regardless
    of consequence, like all other animals do. Do not ever expect Loyalty,
    Honor, Integrity from such a creature.

    2. I like to go with the 5 closest people rule. Most women will do what the 5 closest people would ‘vote’ on them dong. As female freindship circles are loose, ever-changing and continually overlapped, this encourages homogeneity of choice. In short, the love or hatred of a certain celebrity, for example, will spread like wildfire among most females. This is also why females in alternative culture or who avoid feminine cmpany tend to have more interesting opinions and hobbies than your standard bar slut.
      The only way a man gets an in is by becoming one of those five. And even then it’s him against her four closest friends or family members. If they are uninanimous in that he must go then he goes and in steps another close person. The only way a man can guarantee full control is either by picking a female outside of the herd or becoming her sole closest friend. Which unless you find a unicorn is too much work for a lay.

      1. very interesting theory with the 5 closest people thing… i’ll be thinking about that one for awhile because it really does make some sense.

    3. Alot of women like to do the opposite of #2 to feel rebellious. Youre exactly right though, and any human with no ethics are really a waste of a good man’s time. Too many men choose to ditch their integrity to appeal to these creatures.

  8. I’ll just say, having been on both sides of this scenario (i.e. the loyal boyfriend vs. the asshole alpha), don’t take this shit so seriously at all…
    In one scenario you’ll be king… in another scenario you will not… thats just how it is. It is all relative in this sense… her instinct is just to look for who is the most alpha in whatever dimension “alpha” is being measured in that environment…
    C.Contrary here, a bouncer, is superbly successful in his story because he is using a near universal dimension of alpha… which is to inspire intimidation in another male due to his self-confidence and physical superiority. There is however at least some reason to doubt that he would pick on Mike Tyson and his gf for example.
    I’m not trying to knock C.Contrary here… his article speaks the truth and we all know it… I just wanted to say that in his story he could have been unknowingly picking on frickin’ Albert Einstein, Nikola Tesla, Steve Jobs, Pablo Picasso, Donald Trump… whatever…
    My point is don’t give a shit… a lot of these girls are fucking idiots who act like dumb animals that can’t see more than 2 steps in front of their iPhones… They’ll trade a fucking awesome life-partner for some immediate demonstration of power… There is no objectively better anything… So don’t waste time feeling bad about some girl… Women hate the patriarchy because they hate themselves…

    1. In other words, if she strays, kick her to the curb and talk up someone else.
      Girls are like Busses. Especially American girls.

      1. Yes. Personality is self-created. The basics may be genetic, but you can, with practice and persistence, move from introvert to extrovert.

      2. I’ve actually been thinking about writing an RoK article on this. I’m very introverted myself but nonetheless I have my own strengths. I am a much better writer than I am a public speaker on the fly for example. I have friends who can just run their mouths and I’m always impressed at how clever they can be so spontaneously.
        Nonetheless over the course of my life I’ve managed to fuck attractive women and even be the “cute one” of my group of friends.
        Just because you’re introverted doesn’t mean you can’t stand your ground… doesn’t mean you can’t approach people for conversation… doesn’t mean you can’t ask a girl to go out with you… Regardless of whether you’re introvert or extrovert you can overcome shyness.. The main difference is that an introvert NEEDS to eventually go back to his den to process what he has experienced. Thanks to this an introvert can develop more sophisticated and nuanced ideas and skills compared to an extrovert who finds solitude disheartening.
        As an introvert it is your duty to cultivate your own interests and figure yourself out… When you do that you can bring a girl into your world with confidence… and trust me girls can fall for a guy who is intellectually independent, financially secure, and comfortable being himself.

        1. I’m looking forward for your article for introverted brothers because it can be hard in nowaday extroverted society. I assume that you have to cultivate social approach but it’s very hard when there are very small number introverted role models. From my experience when i ask natural extroverts if they could give tips, how to pull it off, it’s always the same answer – it’s natural for me. I know all about gaming, domination and alpha traits but doing all this feels like betraying my character.

        3. If you’re introverted, avoid locations that extroverts own. Bars, clubs, and the like. Play in areas where YOUR strengths come out. Work on your weaknesses and build them up. You too can be intense and intimidate other people. Hit the gym, learn a martial art, and get that inner confidence.
          Extrovert introvert whatever. Work on yourself if you feel truly weak. I felt weak and hit the gym. I no longer feel weak and I don’t get shit on by unprofessional goons like the author.

  9. That the feminists are in rebellion against the alphas is true for many of them. Others amongst them oppose both the alphas and betas, ALL MALES. So they vie to control political and judicial machinery to fleece and enslave betas almost exclusively. They miss their target of course and the alpha lives on. Merely the noise of nearby ‘ALPHA THUNDER’ makes a female realign her squeaking hamster, shut up, and get it feminine, just like a nervous bitching chihuahua dog gets quiet under the chair when real thunder booms outside. To her the alpha is on par with mother nature herself. To the alpha with wisdom, he must swing his ball not like a wrecking ball or trudgeon, but as a force of order over the herds of wild bitches. The alpha dick is powerful. So is the cunt. The fields of cunts beckon their scent at all seasons, and the alpha maintains his rule WITH GRACE. It is the bitch who rules with the leather whip. Keep the grace and keep the rule.

    1. “they vie to control political and judicial machinery to fleece and enslave betas almost exclusively. They miss their target of course and the alpha lives on.”
      and the point of the article I suppose is that most would have it no other way. The ‘bad’ male behaviour that feminism focusses upon is archetypally alpha. That behaviour is not necessarily a constant (it has diminished over time) but it certainly persists, and its persistence is used to control the majority of men (betas). An example of this was the Swedish feminist initiative’s proposal for a man tax that ALL men should pay because some men were beating up on women. The ‘genius’ of feminism (and all class oppression based progressivism) is it has mastered the art of using the alpha against the beta and the beta against the alpha. We would do well learn from their machiavellianism

      1. A MAN TAX ! ! Unbelievable. I wonder what Hillary’s take on that would be. Bill Clinton was an uncircumcised alpha. Princess Lewinsky learned the hard way that NO YOU CANNOT control the man with the pointed dick. Even Hillary can’t control him. In office he had to placate progressivist and feminist lobbies daily. Until he gets control of his primary bitch (Hillary), he falls short of anything that could be remotely described as patriarchal or worthy of kingship. Our constitution forbids titles of nobility, luckily, and we will never fall under a queen monarch. Hypothetically, Bill could spank and break his bitch and it would make tabloids and show that America can still shine a beacon of light for man in natures order, instead of writing checks that its ass can’t cash.

        1. clinton is the modern alpha, who leads rather than controls his harem. Such men have a kind of plenitude of being that substitutes liberal largesse for the kind of patronage of the past. That way they can be both progressive and top dog. I think Clinton really wants Hilary to win, both so he get back into the whitehouse by the backdoor so to speak, and because he wants to be the ‘facilitator’ for this new egalitarian age. Your right in thinking its a kind of aristocracy, powerful patriarchs have always put forward their candidates so they can enjoy power vicariously or otherwise.

      2. But it didn’t go through. The proposal caused a deep backlash and was panned in the media. Now the Sweden’s Left Party is paying a steep political price for the radical proposal.
        Still the fact that they had the arrogance to propose it speaks volumes and it’s quite alarming.

        1. I heard feminist initiative didn’t do as well as expected in the recent elections, but I think that within the last year or so, they managed to re-establish themselves as a quite important political force despite the historical embarrassment of what as you say (was proposed but) never passed. I find that fact alone pretty appalling – I think they still got about 3% in the recent elections, and that’s a hardcore feminist party (albeit softened a bit around the edges for the sake of electability)

  10. Looks like Aristotle was right:
    “He who thus considers things in their first growth and origin, whether a state or anything else, will obtain the clearest view of them. In the first place there must be a union of those who cannot exist without each other; namely, of male and female, that the race may continue (and this is a union which is formed, not of deliberate purpose, but because, in common with other animals and with plants, mankind have a natural desire to leave behind them an image of themselves), and of natural ruler and subject, that both may be preserved. For that which can foresee by the exercise of mind is by nature intended to be lord and master, and that which can with its body give effect to such foresight is a subject, and by nature a slave…For he who can be, and therefore is, another’s and he who participates in rational principle enough to apprehend, but not to have such a principle, is a slave by nature.”
    Politics, Book 1.

  11. While I agree with this article, I don’t think it was right for C. Contrary to try and emasculate another man in front of his girl when it was the woman that was the one being the cunt.
    That being said, everything else in this article was spot on. Women crave Alphas. They will literally throw their friends, family, co-workers, spouses/boyfriends under the bus just so they can get some Alpha dick. As C. Contrary stated, most women have no sense of loyalty. When it comes to Alpha dick, women cannot be reasoned with because women don’t give AF about logic or rationality, they only act on instinct. That is why you see in both the Chris Brown and Ray Rice domestic violence situations the women stayed with the man even after everybody was telling her to leave.
    Finally the part of about women wanting men that get a lot of other women is true. If you flirt with one or two girls in the club, bar, or in the workplace and other women take notice, they will be drawn to you like flies to shit.

  12. only problem here is that you may run into a real man, and consequently end up scraping your teeth from the floor.

  14. randomly threatening other men over their women? annnnnd I just list the consumable respect I had for you. won’t be clicking on your articles again.

  15. I should clarify that in the first instance the boyfriend was a douchey college guy: spiked hair, ear rings, a kind of typical Jersey Shore wanna-be, of whom there are many here in the urban northeast. What I did was still wrong, I don’t deny, but it’s understandable, I think, given that 1. I was drunk and 2. I have no respect for that sort of young dumb ass, especially after having been around so many, both at work and when out at night.
    As for the second instance, I don’t go after other men’s dates or girlfriends, but his tone was disrespectful, and such as to suggest that he could kick my ass, which he could not, it seemed to me, so I reacted as I did.
    Anyway, thanks for reading and for all your comments.
    –CC

    1. unless he explicitly threatens in the second scenario you’re still the aggressor.
      I don’t like your tone is something a woman would say. grow up.

      1. upon rereading this it’s really just a litany of excuses.
        being drunk is not an excuse to act like an emotional jackass.
        drink at homeif you can’t comport yourself in public with dignity while drunk

      2. Dude, you are a bitch, lol. It’s hardly womanly or emotional to let another man know that you don’t like the way he’s speaking to you and that it’s not going to continue: this is about respect; this is how old school men roll; and this is how lots of men still are here in Philly.
        “You’re still the aggressor.” Lol, did the paragraph give you the chills? Poor fellow.
        Peace. I won’t be responding to any more of your bitch words.
        (Also, to haters in general: keep commenting—the more comments you write, the more I get paid $$$ for this article 😉

        1. what seperates men from beasts is reason and morality.
          you may be physically tough but to threaten people over their tone? you’re a moral coward. go read nichomachean ethics and tell us what you learned.

        2. I did not read it as a threat, I read it as an acknowledgement and then a “but watch your tone” … big deal, nothing to get panties in a twist over. If he included the word please would it have appeased the hamsters who are commenting negatively based on how the article made them feel? Pot kettle….

        4. Respect has to be earned. What have you done to earn other men’s respect? Honestly, you sound like the type of frat-bro asshole that goes trolling for fights on South Street who was the bane of my college years. Fucking Filthadelphia.

        5. I’ve been reading the articles on this site for about a year now and it seems the more widespread this site has become the more bitches have a bitchfest. Seems like this article displays that reality. When I was in college I did the same thing you did whenever another man disrespected me. And the funny thing is, never did physical violence occur if I called someone in their bullshit. The reason for that is not because I am some big, thought guy but the simple fact that men who intentionally insult other men in public usually lack a backbone to back up their disrespect and usually fold when confronted by a confidant man who will not tolerate disrespect.

        7. “I did not read it as a threat, I read it as an acknowledgement and then a
          “but watch your tone” … big deal, nothing to get panties in a twist
          over.”
          Exactly. We have a lot of bitch readers on ROK right now, though, and I’ve been laughing my ass off this afternoon reading their comments 🙂

        8. Your insight lacks context of the entire altercation. You’re compartmentalizing and pulling one frame freezed in time to sneer at, without regard to what lead up to that frame in the first place.

    2. Regardless of what you may think of him (I probably would have a similar opinion), is potentially instigating someone into a fight which will at the very least likely have legal consequences really worth it? Even if you beat the piss out of the guy and fuck his girl that night, he can just as easily have you identified by camera the next day and have charges brought up. It just seems like an emotional decision.

      1. That’s why the article is so fucking dumb….this so called “Alpha” with no women of his own goes out and hangs outside random bars challenging guys with girlfriends to fights. He knows full well the deck is stacked in his favor because the other guy has way more to lose by engaging with him than he does. The other guy is out on date with his girl and probably going to get laid and has shit going on…why would he risk ruining his night, injury, jail and lawsuits, etc to mix it up with this choad?
        Fucking unbelievable…..total cheap, poser shit.
        Oh yeah, this: “When I said the last line she looked ready to tear my clothes off, and
        my buddy, himself a veteran player, thought he could perceive this too”….fuck off

        1. Hahaha, you illiterate little jerk off: What do you know about whether I have women of my own or not? Because I am out with a buddy on a particular night, I have no women of my own? A tutor can help you to improve your reading comprehension.
          Likewise, that I’m standing outside of a bar with my buddy doesn’t mean I went or go out to pick fights. I happened to see a girl I knew while I was out enjoying my life. Made a playful remark to her. Her friend came up and gave me shit, so I fucked around with her, and yes, took a dig at a bitch ass young guy; that is, a bitch ass, like many of you with your neg comments on here.

        2. A jealous loser, tanked on booze with a friend to back you up so you won’t get an “owie.” on your quivering lips.
          Let me know when it;s time to be impressed.

        3. you gotta understand you come off as a jealous douche who wanted the girl but couldn’t get her… That is just how it reads.

      2. The law doesn’t care what a person says, the law only cares who starts the physical violence. He did not start physical violence. The cameras the next day would exonerate him entirely if the insecure Jersey Shore femi-man struck out in impotent rage at him.

        2. I assume he’s an intelligent man based off of his language use and writing style who knows the law well enough to know not to throw the first punch.
          Besides that, life is dangerous. You can walk down the street minding your own business doing nothing wrong and end up paralyzed or nearly so on the sidewalk because some “teens” decide to play the knockout game. You don’t get a pass out of life’s little carousel of pain by being a nice guy.

        3. So on top of everything else and all the tough talk…now you are saying the guy is actually just bluffing? Talking shit but “knows the law well enough to know not to throw the first punch.”
          If that’s the case, its just posing and posturing.

        4. You really need to read the story a second time, looking particularly to take from it full context.

    3. C. Contrary I felt this was a very good and informative article and you were right in your actions in both scenerios. What’s more disturbing is the negative feedback your article is getting shows me that what I thought to be a red pill universe (rok) is really a bunch of blue and purple pilled guys undercover. Everybody on here sounds like a bunch of bitches taking up for betas who can’t keep their hoes in check or dudes trying to act tough in front of their girl until C. Contrary calls their bluff. Don’t tell me rok is really purple pill

      1. Thanks, and wel-said. My hope is that ROK will become more international in appeal, since in today’s America it seems too late for most so-called red pill men to be the real thing or to understand it. Most of my readers seem to be straight up bitches, lol. Whining about “bullying.” Get real! Here’s a kleenex…
        Also, while I have bounced on the wkd on and off for 10 years, I am not bouncing in the examples in my article. And people who can read need not be told that.

  16. threatening men over their women? I won’t be clicking on your articles anymore and just lost a good deal of respect for you

    1. It’s omega behavior, very feminine actually. If I were that dude, I would have wiped the floor with the authors face.
      In a real society full of hard men that shit won’t work. Disgraceful.

      1. He invited the confrontation by playing “I’m jealous” games.
        Instead of confronting the author, he should have verbally corrected the lady in question, and if she can’t deal with correction, next her on the spot.

      4. So, you would have mate guarded (meaning you felt threatened by his comments to your woman, meaning that you don’t trust her) and then come over and beat up a man who has done you no actual harm?
        And you call him omega? Really dude?

        1. If I were the guy in the article and my date was starting shit with another man, I’d walk straight up to her and quietly tell her to STFU.
          If the other guy made the smart-ass comment that he would do something if I made him… LOL I would’ve laughed and said “You’re the fool if you think this bitch is worth fighting over or that I give two shits about what you do or don’t do” and walked away.
          I have no interest in what he (the other guy) does, and if she’s more interested in him than me, then she can have him.
          Fuck her. They’re all imminently replaceable.

        2. If I were the guy in the article and my date was starting shit with another man, I’d walk straight up to her and quietly tell her to STFU.
          Exactly, that’s the proper way to deal with it. Notice how many men here are jumping to the indirect white-knight position of callying CC a bully instead of properly framing the situation as you did though.

        3. I have a girlfriend who gets hit on constantly because she’s a social butterfly. I let her talk to whomever without worrying.
          I have never once been approached by a dude who belittles me in front of her. Why? Guys just don’t do it … intuitively they know that in a normal society that would provoke violence.

        4. And that’s fine. Now if she goes out strutting in front of other big men to get attention, gets attention, snarks at him and then you come to defend her, I’d say the fault here lay with her for her behavior, or with you if you do NOT call HER out for being a jackass.

        5. No its not about being a white knight, it has nothing to do with the girl and everything ton do with disrespecting a guy.
          It’s like cheating with a guys wife while he in Iraq. There are some things real men don’t do. Or having sex with your best friends former girlfriend.

        7. The woman disrespected her man, and him, and you blame the man she initially flirted with. You accord her zero responsibility for her actions, and place the blame squarely on CC’s shoulders with admonisments of “real men don’t!”. If that isn’t white knighting, brother, nothing is.

        8. You need to look up the definition of white knighting. I’m not even commenting on her culpability … I’m white knighting for the boyfriend here. It’s in a women’s nature to be flirtatious … I get eyed a lot, sometimes by girls I know have boyfriends.
          I have every right to be flirtatious back (although I’m not), but I would never attempt emasculating another dude to prove my value. It’s vulgar behavior to verbally assault another man like that. There’s a silent code of dos and don’ts among civilized men and one of them is that you show up other men via action rather than words.
          Like I said, you try that act with the wrong guy and you will have a black eye and a limp for the next month. I’m one of those guys. I know a few others.

        9. i don’t recall the part where the guy came to her defense other than being in the general area… I think you gotta face the facts, the bouncer guy was an asshole because he was facing someone who couldn’t give him a decent fight – pretty much the definition of a bully (makes a suggestive/rude comment to the guy’s girl in front of him then basically says “do something about it short stuff”). The author was trying to start a fight with this guy a whole lot more than this chick was trying to start anything (he actually claims she started it by walking past him… ru kidding me?).

      5. That would of worked in the caveman days but now its different. I had my share of confrontations with other men but boy I did I make them shit their pants and it wasn’t because the girl I was fighting for I wanted to prove myself physically dominant over another man but that was in the past. xD

  17. All of this fake alpha shit works because we live in an environment where you basically can’t get beat up by stronger males for striking a pose. Keep in mind that fifty years ago if you pumped and dumped chances were 20 times greater that she had a brother, father, or male friend who would come after you. Other men didn’t give status away to omega males or skirt chasers who left behind a trail of broken hearts.
    PUA is essentially fake masculinity. Omega behavior masquerading.
    Fifty years ago status and masculinity wasn’t an attitude, it was an expectation to gain any type of status or respect, and thus pussy. Keeping a strong frame and outwitting other men is great, but we’re so far removed from the jungle here that most of this behavior is clownish.

    1. You’re right.. I remember in my highschool times where there was a super omega douchebag which was always trying to strike a pose by imposing his opinions and act tough in front of the girls, making jokes about everyone but getting mad when people joked about him, you know.. these type of super annoying dudes who are always trying to put themselves above all other males just to show they are ‘”alpha”. At the end of the day, no one in the class respected him…. damn, if the author knew how annoying this is, he wouldn’t be glorifying this behavior so much…

      1. I’m not saying it’s ineffective for getting women, but it’s repulsive and only works because of modern feminized social norms which prevents stronger men from caving in the face of a person using said tactic.

        2. Thats the issue, women love that shit. Its why they cant have any healthy relationships with other women: they’re all trying to dominate and out-alpha each other. Women still live in the jungle socially. Everything is anout power and dominance to them, maybe its necessary for better evolution but it goes directly against morality and society’s ethics.
          All of our women are depressed because their instincts contradict society so much it drives them crazy. They have to pretend to be attracted to clean, orderly men when they all want to chase the most animalistic men on Earth.

        3. you know after reading your comment i wonder what is the morality and ethics of the current society that we live in. Is it the rule of the jungle: the strong shall live and the weak shall die or is the morality and ethics of the current society based on cultural marxist principles where the more important/powerful collective(females) rules over the rest. Is this something the manosphere should think about or do i have too much time on my hands ?

        4. You are mistaken. Women have as healthy relations as they can with other women. They have code, teach other feminine guile, teach each other the art of dominion, seek out mainly the approval of other women and those who stray from this are usually more masculine or already broken by the system women established. They may be permanently depressed, but it is because they have a vicious master to please, other women.

        5. I dont know where you live, but here in America women pretend to get along but in all my years I have never seen a really healthy female friendship. They rank and judge everyone in their life, and are in condtant competition (who’s prettier, gets married first, has the most successful, etc.)

        6. The thing is that is a healthy woman’s way of relating. They pretend to get along because of they know the game they play and wish to not die alone. They are eternally in competition with each other until they are too old to logically continue or all their competitors are dead. Then they can impart wisdom and sage advice. To you and I this is unhealthy, for them it is sharpening manipulation tactics and an illusion of importance. It is as unhealthy as reading a Cosmopolitan magazine or posting duck face selfies.

      2. The point of the article (I read) was to show how women will say what they want versus the actions that they’ll respond to in any given situation.
        It think too many readers are getting caught up in the author’s behavior (who cares…it’s his right and his life).
        So much has changed in 50 years or so (yes, it’s no longer 1950) so adapt to the changes. It was really so terrible ‘back when’ for women (I’m joking) so they needed a change (feminism).
        and here we are, today, as a result.

        1. Well if it wasn’t so terrible (for them) we wouldn’t have feminism.
          We are paying for our ancestors fuck up.

        2. Wrong. We wouldn’t have modern feminism if we didn’t have agitating socialists and communists from the 1960’s forward infiltrating our universities and schools. The first wave feminism, the one where they said you probably shouldn’t beat your women and such, was fine as far as it goes. Once those problems were solved women had if fucking easy as pie on Sunday. Not content to let a good resource go to waste, in march the Leftists to preach to them how staying in a nice home all day was bad, how raising their own children instead of shoving them in government licensed day cares was bad, and how promiscuity and delaying family until your 30’s so that you could become a taxed serf were good things.
          Yeah, life sucked so bad for women in the 1960’s, what with all of their labor saving devices, ample free time, and lines of good, decent men queueing up to marry them. They’re much better off now as cubicle drones and pretend-manager jobs, providing tax money for more socialism. Wee.

      2. The bar is a smorgasbord unlike a campus or house of worship or workplace. To have pussy laid out for grabs by holders of a game ticket in the club or bar environment is surreal compared to a supermarket or park or beach. Jungle game would be interesting to consider. It may come to ‘jungle game’ after a societal collapse. For now only feral schizophrenic chicks and lesbian hiker chicks and animals inhabit the jungle. I can only imagine jungle skeet.
        Something like Billy Joel playing piano to :
        ”she can kill with her teeth,
        she can wound with her claws,
        she can ruin your faith
        with her casual paws,
        down on my floor
        on the carpet she gnaws,
        though she’s only a cheetah,
        she’s just like lolita to me.
        eeh. . need a word that rhymes with ‘fur’ . .

  18. In that situation, I would have diplomatically smiled too, as I’d have never wanted to put my boyfriend (someone whose wellbeing I have a vested interest in) in a position where he’d be subjected to some kind of potentially violent confrontation. The author is really taking some liberty in assuming this tactic would garner any kind of sexual interest equity. The whole scenario just comes across as unnerving and intimidating in a code red, mortifying kind of way. Snarky banter and or, a little bit of barbed reparte’ is one thing – being physically touched and overtly insulted by some random roid-smith is only going to achieve a rather rapid exodus of most women in proximity. Just sayin’ not the most advisable of tactics for men who actually have any interest in quickly closing the deal with a random, new woman. Don’t misinterpret the smile in this story. A little bit of self awareness would probably serve this author well.

  19. If we are to accept that women act reflexively to alpha dominance and behavior, we must accept that on an innate level, women cannot be trusted. Blue-pill men cannot accept this.

    1. any daughter’s father would tell you the same thing…. and he’d be doing it, so it doesn’t wind up providing for his daughters absentee sperm donor…… given the right set of mathematics, any woman will drop her panties….. the only thing in their favor is they do try to wriggle out of those situations, albeit just to test the alpha….. even when they want to go ahead….

      1. In the past degenerate alphas and omega pretenders were kept away from women by their fathers. If this wasn’t the case society would collapse. Yes, the betas are living in denial, but beta bucks is still contributing to society, so I can’t hate him.
        I think both of my grandfather’s were beta, yet they married young and stayed married for life. Their women were loyal. Society prevented the harmful consequences of hypergamy, and the beta thrived.

        2. I only think 10 percent of men are natural alphas, and another ten percent below them are borderline. Beta males comprise the soft middle, probably around 60 percent, with a sub category of degenerates, undesirables, and omega as the bottom 20.
          It’s no insult to be a beta. You can only change who you are so much. My grandfather’s were unremarkable family men … betas.

        3. However what is more alpha than keeping a woman as yours and only yours? And having her bare your children?
          Being alpha isn’t abut fucking every woman, if you can’t prevent her from fucking someone else you’re just another notch on HER bedpost.
          Alpha is about controlling your woman.

        4. I never said there is something un-alpha about being a family men, just that most all betas lose themselves in being a provider.
          Alphas might provide, but it’s usually secondary to their main objectives, whereas the beta is good for little else.

  20. None of the examples ended in sex, so this article proves nothing. Cocky behaviour is always bound to attract some attention from all kinds of people as it is outside the accepted norms but it does not mean that it would guarantee sex 100%.
    Women’s hypergamy behaviour is far more complex than that. A woman could be attracted to a man who is caring and gentle if this behaviour matches with her own upbringing and her own genetic code. The daughters usually choose a man who is like or better than their father or the complete opposite to him, depending on how they related with their fathers.
    I think ROK is running out of steam. It needs writers with a different direction.

    1. Modern feminism combined with Darwinian hypergamy is a lethal cocktail. Almost all modern women are programmed to be starfucking whores.
      It’s not complex.

      1. If hypergamy instinct was so strong during the evolution the human female would have developed mechanism to block and eject sperm by low-status men as it is observed in some animals. The female chickens, for example, have this ability (seminal evacuation) and their are known to be one of the most promiscuous members of the animal kingdom.
        You’ve heard of the term “pecking order”, right?

        1. Wow. Valid point.
          If you look at it from the biological point of view, fucking everyone insight actually goes AGAINST her biology. Eggs are a valuable resource and she only has X amount. While men, as you know it continuously produce sperm. Therefore she wants to make sure the BEST male (for her) fertilizes that egg.
          What we have run into is a difference in now she can control who fertilizes the egg with birth control. So she can fuck to the nines BUT not have any children with them.
          Therefor no, women are not biologically hypergamous. But birth control has made them hypergamous.

        2. Nope.
          You are confusing hypergamy with sluttiness… which unfortunately is a convention around here.
          Real hypergamy (marrying up) in human females is strong… cock carouseling (manosphere hypergamy) is a result of feminist and capitalist social engineering.
          As for mechanisms to prevent low status men from reproductive success…. just look around at any feminist country, state, university and examine the culture.
          You’re heard of the term “cock blocking”, right?

    2. you are correct. What is “Alpha” differs wildly among women. This is especially true if a woman was raised in a normal loving 2 parent household. It is overly simplistic to think that most women are attracted to men that overtly display violent tendencies. What a woman considers alpha is highly dependent on her father figure.
      A woman who had a healthy upbringing is not going to want a violent man to father her children. Attraction is a very complex thing. It can not be reduced to this overly simplistic model of all girls want is “Alpha” badasses.
      .
      About 50% of the female population come from dysfunctional homes. The tendencies of these girls is to be attracted to stereotypical ” Alpha/ violent” behaviors. Functional girls from good homes are attracted to alot of “beta” tendencies. They have been shown good “beta” role models in their fathers. Btw this “alpha”/ “beta” thing is too simplistic of a model. We need to get better terminology in the manosphere.

  21. Not that it matters, but I don’t like this writer. He may be “saying truths” or whatever; but for what’s its worth, his attitude gets on my nerves.

  22. Bottle courage, huh? You think you are addressing raw recruits who don’t know a poor self image when we see one? Which one of your guardians bullied you, pal? I’ll hazard a guess and say your drunken father roughed you up to make a “man” out of you and not end up a weak pathetic loser like himself with nothing to show but a big mouth. Scholar my ass, you’re going down along with your cancerous message to the young men who come here to learn self improvement. The comments show you aren’t getting many takers to reinforce your bullshit. Now go on and have another drink, you disgust me.

  23. I see from your bio you are available for “in person game consultations at a reasonable price”…..what? this shit is what passes for “game” now? Pass.

  24. “Yo, she’s with me,” he yells over. I usually do not try to disrespect other men, but I didn’t like his tone, so I say: “Gotcha, but watch how you talk to me, brother.” He sizes me up, then thinks of better of saying more.
    ====================================
    In this case, I think that the better response (insofar as the other guy made a point to ‘mark his territory’, thus showing his insecurity) is to smile and shake your head (in the way you would dismiss a woman with a bad attitude) and say “For now”. Doesn’t force him to escalate or lose face, but gets the point across more subtly.
    I don’t actively try to show up another guy unless he has done something to earn my contempt. I don’t feel sorry for the beta boyfriend in this case, b/c his beta-tude is simply not my problem.
    There are, however, other ways to demonstrate dominance, such as to be a leader of men. Women perceive hierarchies, and understand who the top dog is, in a group.
    À bientôt,
    Mistral

  25. So you peacock in front a woman, bring off on her boyfriend and because you assumed she was into it (its true because your friend said so), it somehow proves a point about hypergamy? Buddy, this article is all about your nature, not anybody else’s.

  26. In light of many weak misreadings of my article, I want to say the following: it seems many ROK readers, sadly, have no understanding of the notion of alpha besides being aloof to women and not taking their shit. But being an alpha also applies to one’s relations with other men (I’d have thought this a universal truism!); and this entails, among other things, telling or showing them (in some cases) that you won’t be putting up with how they are talking to you, looking at you, treating you, etc.
    Nor is this necessarily some kind of “posturing,” done out of, say, “insecurity,” though of course it is in some cases, just as many people who say “nice to meet you” hate your guts, while some actually mean it.
    There still are men in this world who are prepared to back up what they say. They are easily found in any gritty working-class neighborhood and in the marines, for example.
    So I laugh at the thought of being thought of as a “poser” or whatever, just because some so-called red pill men have such a limited understanding of the notion of alpha.
    In the first example referenced in my article, the boyfriend (or date, or whoever he was), as several readers have noted, should have checked his girl, instead of allowing her to run her stupid. He didn’t, so he got alpha’d–too fucking bad for him.
    In the second example, I did not know the girl was there with another man. Had I known, I’d have never said anything to her in the first place, because I don’t disrespect other men for no reason or bully them for no reason. But his tone was inappropriate, so he too got alpha’d.
    But of course, chumps and half-men are incapable of understanding all this.

    1. Amazing how “alpha” you can be with your friend next to you. The man you “backed down” counted 2 of you. Yeah, you’re so tough you can’t handle back talk when you are the first to shoot off your mouth.

      1. I agree with your take….he brings a buddy, goes to a place where 99% of guys are out to socialize (not fight), cherry picks guys he thinks he can take, insults their dates, and claims Alpha status when they ignore him……what’s on tap for tomorrow? going alpha at he local elementary school? or maybe hitting on chicks studying with their boyfriends at the public library…..? Its laughable.

        1. Going to church to slap married women on the ass in front of their families.
          ALPHA DOMINATION !!!

    2. Dude nobody likes a bully, and dress it up all you want, that’s what you are in that story. If you expected a different response to your anecdotes you are immensely stupid.
      When you tell a story about how you pushed around a guy you probably outmassed as well as outnumbered, who gave you no offense and in fact had said precisely nothing to you, you need to understand that everyone who reads that who is not a personal friend of yours is rooting for you to try it again with the wrong guy and get your head kicked in.
      Like I said; people don’t like bullies, people react even less well to bullies who brag about their churlish antics on the internet and expect to be praised for it.

    3. You are not alpha and you probably have never been in a real fight in your adult life. If you had, you would know that you don’t antagonize people lightly over meaningless bullshit. You could lose an eye. If anything, this article is a sign of how safe and feminized society has become. Why do you think in traditionally masculine societies respect is so important? You don’t know what another man is capable of and every man, no matter how tough, can get hurt or killed. This high school bully shit is the mark of a child, not a man, and certainly not an “alpha” (although what the fuck does that even mean anymore?).

      1. you don’t antagonize people lightly over meaningless bullshit. You could
        lose an eye. If anything, this article is a sign of how safe and
        feminized society has become.
        I love irony in two sentences.

        2. I’ll demonstrate by re-posting the sentences in reverse order and with slightly different wording.
          “I hate how society has become so feminized and safe. Now don’t fight, or you’ll poke your eye out.”
          Besides, you seem to have missed the point of the article for looking too hard for individual defects in his stories. The point was that women do in fact respond to the physically strong dominant type of men. They do. No question. That this message receives so much hate DOES in fact show how feminized society has become precisely because it strikes a chord of disdain in modern men who, unlike days past, usually couldn’t fight their own way out of a wet poke. The way CC acts today is no different than how men acted “way back when” the difference being that today most men are weak effeminate cowards, which makes his perfectly normal behavior come off as somehow barbaric. That said, it doesn’t stop vaginas from getting wet over it.

        3. No, because you only have a cartoon version of how men behave in masculine societies, you think this is normal behavior. He doesn’t have a true concept of violence. Ask any cop or bouncer – barring being in a drunken pack five or six deep if they would do something like this.

        4. No, it’s because I was alive “way back when” actually. Fights, especially bar fights, were not unheard of, and were not some aberration you hear about only in movies. Men could and did play the puffed out chest game a lot more than they do today (puffing out the chest and trying to intimidate the other guy with the implied threat of violence). The fights generally don’t occur today like they used to naturally, so even a suggestion of violence, sans actual violence, seems so startling, hence your comment about society being feminized being accurate.
          Way back in the day, it wasn’t just bouncers or cops that engaged in violence. That being said, a violent brawl didn’t used to involve cowards who would pull out a crow bar and beat you when you’re down either (though a rare broken bottle to the eye socket wasn’t unheard of, but was always seen as going way too far and the person who did it would be rightly cast out of their social circle AND cast into jail), so there is some validity to your point (I’m not being antagonistic, actually).
          There are still realms where men engage like this still, but you probably don’t frequent them (and likely rightly so), so it seems rather alien no doubt. Personally I’ve broken up two bar fights over the summer involving big drunk dudes covered in blood, and have posted guard just last week watching one of my buddies confront an uppity clique from a local MC that were being jackholes at our gathering.
          Life isn’t sunshine and roses on the outer fringes, no matter how feminized the soft wet center of society has become.
          Rambling, heh, didn’t mean to, apologies.

        6. love how you disparage the use of weapons, take the redpill man! We have developed the ability to use weapons! Only bluepill fags don’t embrace reality… What? You think the largest men should just have free reign? FUCK THAT SHIT. Why would you bow to someone just because they were born to be 6in taller and 50lbs heavier? It’s so easy to correct that situation… Don’t like getting shot? Don’t be an asshole.

        7. I disparage a lack of perspective and honor. Men fist fighting is not the place to bring in the Uzi unless you are tried and true psychopath. Which, admittedly, many people are these days. Your post demonstrates the exact attitude of most weaker men of the modern era.

        8. So a big man beating up a small man is honorable but if the small man uses a weapon on the big man he has no honor? You aren’t living in the real world, just because you’re big doesn’t really mean shit in 2014 when anyone may have handgun with them.
          I fail to understand how a small man doing what it takes to defend himself would be considered dishonorable; I can’t think of anything more honorable he could do in that situation. When faced with putting your life in the hands of a big gorilla or taking control of the situation and making sure you come home to take care of your family, by killing said gorilla, which would you choose?
          There is always a stronger man, i don’t think you’d be so against weapons if ufc heavyweight champion Cain Velasquez was beating you to death with his bare hands just because he can. Honor would be the last thing on your mind – because it isn’t real.

      2. I didn’t bully those men–I did intimidate them, and I had legitimate reasons. You disagree? What do I care? Who are you to me?
        You know nothing about me, so why should I bother to tell you how utterly wrong you are in saying I have never been in a fight in my adult life? Unless you know me personally, no matter what I say, you will say I’m BSing or whatever. I won’t waste more of my time engaging with you and other touchy chumps on here.
        Keep reading my articles and commenting, though–I do have bills to pay 😉

        1. Quite so, everything even remotely aggressive, e.g. – masculine, now is categorized as “bullying”. This is the new shaming technique developed by the feminists and which has seeped down into our culture from above. Bullying would have been walking over and shoving the guy around, or causing him to walk away with his tail between his legs. Showing dominance and aloofness on the other hand would be to simply imply that you *could* do these things without actually threatening or getting in his face about it.

        2. Thank you, Sir.
          My sense is that, today, a man has to be around 40 or so to get where I am coming from here. Growing up in Philly, and playing sports throughout my life, I encountered many men–often older, stronger, bigger and tougher than me–who, if I said or did the wrong thing, would let me know that they’d kick my ass, or else they’d just do it. This–which is NOT bullying, but simple red pill reality—is how the masculine world was up until the PC assault that begin in the 80s; but today even most so-called red pill men seem unable to do distinguish between this sense of alpha (or traditional masculinity) and bullying. Hence why I have said that, for them, alpha means nothing other than being aloof to women and not taking their BS. In regard to other men, they are actually as namby-pamby as the blue-pillers whom they purport to oppose. They assume that the examples in the article like mine are nothing but “posturing” or whatever. Of course they sometimes are, but not in my case, and those who think otherwise can go fuck themselves.
          As I have already written, in the first example, the guy should have checked his girl, instead of letting her mouth off at me. He didn’t, so he got alpha’d. Next. In the second example, I didn’t know the girl was there with another man, otherwise I’d have never talked to her in the first place. But his tone was inappropriate–if you can’t kick a man’s ass, don’t talk to him in a manner which implies that you can. (This is Old School Code–a traditional masculine sensibility–and bullying is something very different from this.) So he too got alpha’d.
          Anyway, haters and those who have their doubts about how I get down can email me on here to find out where I bounce in Philly; then, if they are so inclined, let them come through and start something: and I do guarantee them a fair one.
          If you are among the minority of men on this earth who can kick my ass, then I tip my hat to you and maybe we can have a drink afterward 😉

        3. But his tone was inappropriate–if you can’t kick a man’s ass, don’t talk to him in a manner which implies that you can. (This is Old School Code–a traditional masculine sensibility–and bullying is something very different from this.) So he too got alpha’d.
          Exactly.
          Mid 40’s here, grew up in the world you speak of where guys didn’t bad mouth men bigger than them unless they knew for certain that they could take them down. Today these emasculated “men” know that they have a feminized law on their side which gives them (and women) the leeway to act like little bitches to men who are clearly their superior. It has empowered the wimp and the princess, in essence. Call them out on it though and they have no idea how to respond, as you know.
          Hence why I have said that, for them, alpha means nothing other than being aloof to women and not taking their BS. In regard to other men, they are actually as namby-pamby as the blue-pillers whom they purport
          to oppose.
          I could not agree more. There are articles that pop up here at ROK from time to time that bring up things in the traditional alpha masculine realm, and they are normally 8 parts against and 2 parts pro in the comments section. Motorcycles, firearms, etc. The feminized educational establishment’s influence and conditioning shine brightly through when you read their comments. It’s almost painful to witness.
          The natural aggressive and fighting nature of men is being bred out of them, and they are left stammering about how wrong things we used to take for granted as being masculine are, and the shitter is, they don’t even know it. They are utterly convinced that they should be able to mouth off to a big man without consequences, or that the best recourse when confronted with a situation that may even hint of violence is to slink away with their tails between their legs. They might get hurt after all, and that’s bad, mmmmkay.
          I have a hypothesis that there didn’t used to be an alpha/beta dichotomy like there is now, that most men in the past could be alpha when called upon, as well as good family men. Feminism has created a schism that has cut men into two personality wise, and now we’re flailing about looking for our lost identity. Hence why the 40+ crowd you mention would “get it” since were raised in a more “all in one package” environment, while the kids in school from the 90’s forward, who are used to running to authority whenever they feel insulted, just don’t grasp the mindset.
          If you are among the minority of men on this earth who can kick my ass, then I tip my hat to you and maybe we can have a drink afterward 😉
          Same (on the beer offer). The places I go don’t have bouncers, we’re self policing (bikers, MC’s) and tend to keep the peace rather well, being nearly all bouncer sized or aggressive ourselves, heh. As I noted up in the thread, I’ve broken up two fights this last summer and would expect others to do the same for me if I got that drunk that I felt like a little game of punch-the-dork were in order.
          Philly, eh? Not too far, central Ohio here, just north of Columbus. Give me a shout if you’re ever in this neck of the woods, I’ll take you up on that beer.
          Slainte

        4. It would be a pleasure.
          Your hypothesis seems to me plausible.
          Probably you remember how different sports were in the 80s and 90s. Remember when Kevin McHale famously clotheslined Kurt Rambis in the Celtics-Lakers playoff game? Thereafter, the Lakers changed: they became tougher and much more successful as a result.
          INCIDENTAL violence used to be routine in sports. (Behind closed doors it still is.) Fights and scraps aren’t a big deal to old school men like us.
          We don’t need guns or knives, and we are aware that there may be grave consequences.–I laugh when a readers tell me that “it’s all well and good until you mess with the wrong guy.” As if, again, I were some bully who’s never been chopped down to size. I’ve been in a lot of fights in my day, and like every such man, I’ve had my ass kicked. Live to fight another day. Nor is an ass kicking some traumatic thing to me, lol.
          These days, though, even most red-pill men can’t understand all this. Again, alpha to them means having no feelings for Americunts. Not taking shit from other men they equate with “posturing” and “bullying,” etc. What a bunch of good “team members.” An army of CEOs might be brought in to pat them on their docile heads.
          But really, what dismal days we are in! I am glad to have been born before 1990 and raised by a no-nonsense working-class father. The majority of the responses to my article suggest that most so-called red pill men who read this site are simply ignorant pretenders–not to mention, half-literate men who don’t grasp the full contexts of the examples.
          Let the tyranny of blue-pill equalizers and entitled Americunts continue, then. At present, America deserves no better.

        5. god your fucking stupid if you tell people on here where you work… some crazy fuck on here may come out and put one between your eyes. Seriously, do you know how many suicidal guys are on this site? Taking out a big dumb fuck like you would be a dream last act for these dudes…
          And why don’t you just get over yourself and fess up you acted like an ass with the guy who didn’t say a word to you? We all have done it at some point in our lives. I’ve done it, i regret it but I accidentally punked a guy for no good reason and it was a shitty thing to do to him. I think maybe you just couldn’t wrap your head around the fact that a guy you could beat up was fucking a girl who wouldn’t fuck you… am i right? It must be frustrating seeing that but you have to understand that the modern world is not the jungle… that guy probably makes 5x more money than you.

        6. lol @ running away from fights thing… real fights are life threatening – losing an eye isn’t something to take lightly.
          Besides a “real” man would just follow meathead home then murder him one evening while he takes out the trash… The whole “i’m super masculine” thing quickly gets out of hand – meathead has the right to punk dr. beta but dr. beta can easily do much worse, is that really how we all want to live?

        7. If you would have said the same thing to Brock Lesnar or Mike Tyson in his prime then you deserve respect. What people are doubting is that you would have said that to a guy that you know would have really hurt you. I don’t know you so i can not make that judgement call.

  28. True nature? Are you implying women are naturally hypergamous?
    You guys seriously need some scientists on your roster. This is a joke.

    1. I believe its derived I think from evolutionary psychology, whatever you think about that, but equally from what people actually observe in relationships between men and women and even everyday interactions. Nobody questions that men are attracted to physical beauty in the first instance at least. This is because what they say accords with what they do. Women and feminists on the other hand say one thing then contradict what they say in terms of their behaviour. Their body language if you like is out of sync with their speech. This requires explanation and unfortunately too much ‘science’ is too agenda driven to be able to provide such an explanation. You’re right that it just a theory, and that phrases like “true nature” should be avoided perhaps, but its a theory that despite being a bit simplistic seems to have some actual explanatory power

  29. so you go around theeatening small guys to appear more masculine? how insecure are you? no wonder bouncers have a bad rep because if people like you. there are so many bouncers like you that ( legit) security guys have to suffer.
    you should be careful of who you threaten. also you probably never trained any martial arts because the first thing yoi would have learned is humility. there is always a bigger fish man. doesnt matter if you’re 5 th dan in jujitsu, ypu are still very vulnerable. and the experienced guys know this.
    yes i agree with whatever you said about the nature of women but beating up on the weak because you are bigger is a pussy move. if you ever pull that shit on any guy with a heart, youll be on the floor before you know it. be safe

        1. Perhaps he sounds like a bully because you have managed throughout your life to attract the wrong kind of attention with your attitude.
          Something to consider.

  31. Surprised to hear all these bully comments. Was he not talking to a girl in the first story who he knew previously and was alone, made a comment to her, then her friend (a girl) and this friend’s boyfriend came over to rescue her and white knight the bitch? That’s what I read !
    I see it as they stepped into asshole banter, game no less, which is to be expected at a bar. Fuck protecting the American cunt from her own cuntiness in the form of “sensitive apologies.” How God damned difficult can life be for any single cute, albeit slutty, 6+ dressed in heels at a bar? NOT VERY.
    Great article and spot on. And again, how do I know? Because immediately so many jumped on the “Oh you’re such a bully” bandwagon. Because the truth fucking hurts doesn’t it guys? This is reality. If a girl isn’t left to her own devices to handle her own business, providing the guy isn’t literally groping her while she’s forcefully pulling away, you leave the situation the fuck alone.
    If the boyfriend stops an interaction and drags his bitch back away, but the dominant male punches him, well that’s when you’ve crossed the line. Again, this is the American female and females in general. I guess they should change their hypergamous ways and be respectful women. right? Nope, it’s the guys fault for hitting on her. How the hell do you know when a girl is walking by, even if followed by a guy who would be any one of a million beta orbiters she has a boyfriend unless you’ve watched them closely beforehand? You don’t. And really guys, how many women don’t have a fuckin boyfriend and are lying about it anyways? Or at least leading some guy on to believe so? C’est la vie.

    1. Most women are loyal to alphas. Women don’t jump from alpha to alpha, they jump from beta to beta to alpha. The alpha jumps woman to woman.
      I know two military guys who are alphas who leave their wife and girlfriend at home for six months at a time. Do you think their women cheat? Nope … verified from experience (not my own, but someone else’s).
      I can think of five or six examples in my personal life of women cheating … it was always on a beta.

  32. Some guys think they are bad asses because they never met a bad ass. The author is one of them. There was nothing “alpha” in your actions, it was just a little boy pretending to be alpha through some shoddy display of female psychology. Alphas don’t need to shoot off their mouths to display power, alphas exude power and control. The author only exudes a childish display of strength he thinks he perceives in himself. Another pretend alpha who will be spouting the same shit at 40 all the while engaging in childish adolescent behavior tantamount to a woman. Men, especially alphas are leaders not guys going through life insulting other men in an effort to get female attention. Then again, this si the kind of behavior to be expected from males… in their mid teens.

  33. In summary:
    1. Post up OUTSIDE a bar
    2. make asshole remark to hot girl to get laid (fair enough)
    3. Continue being an asshole when she blows you off
    4. Engage in an argument with her friend who you have no shot with
    5. When all fails, threaten the boyfriend who is probably rolling his eyes at this “alpha”
    This dude seems really high value.
    This “alpha” shit is what makes us look like buffoons. I guess the true nature of hypergamy is our women leaving us for muscleheads talking shit to random passerby outside a bar.

    1. I wonder until which point all this “alpha” behavior is fueling hypergamy and female validation. I don’t need to do all this shit to get laid.

    2. Different game for different women. Not everybody wants an effete dandy with a patent leather vocabulary. Being physically imposing and dangerous looking does attract women, and if you can back it up with a panty wetting dominant personality that casts her shit tests off like flies off a horse, you will be getting laid post haste.
      You may hate the message, but detach it from your emotions. Different women respond to different forms of dominance, most are open to all sorts of Game types (yours, for example) and most are also open to the rugged badass types, hence the popularity of bikers amongst highly attractive women.

      1. When your “game” is threatening smaller men it is not going to be received well on a site for men. Oh, and most biker chicks are ugly as fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkk! For real, so rare to see a decent chick on the back of a harley.

        1. Why would a man go out with biker chicks? I can see that you’re not familiar with the sub-culture, but “professional, intelligent, educated” type business chicks cannot flock to bike nights/bars fast enough after work to try and get their alpha fix. Same with college chicks (usually junior/senior level, not noobs to the university).

        2. i’m not familiar with the sub-culture I’m just going off the women I see on the back of bikes and they are overwhelmingly underwhelming.

  34. pages like this is where the hitlers of the world get started. ignore the psychology bullshit, and follow one simple fucking rule: respect and treat women like you would anyone else.

    1. 6 million Jews got gassed and yet you still can’t help but make that all about women.
      Shut up cunt.

    2. If you equate men being masculine and not taking guff from other men, with Hitler, who was a one balled effeminate douchebag who couldn’t even be bothered to exercise more than a quiet stroll with his show dogs, then you sir are an absolute bloody moron.

  35. Some great points made in this article. It makes perfect sense really. It is only relatively recently that man has been able to dominate other men with money or political power. For most of human evolution, men dominated other men with force, either its application or demonstration. Both men and women would align themselves with powerful men as this insured protection from invaders or predators.
    A strong, powerful and intelligent man, is just the kind of man that any man will follow and any woman will desire. In fact, for obvious reasons, a defenseless woman needs a powerful man to protect her and the children. It is perfectly rational for her to desire such a man.

  36. This article perfectly sums up the nature of female hypegamy with its relation to male dominance and assertion. Putting aside morals or ethics, men who can display dominance are the alphas whom women will gravitate towards irregardless of his employment status or money. 2 great differing examples: I have one friend who is a lawyer about to take over his dad’s law firm and I kid you not when I say that he is a virgin who’s never had a steady girlfriend in his life. He’s 37. The other is a jobless guy hoping from one country to another and has a banged more than a 100 women so far. He even had the fortune of gaming a rich girl who basically paid for all his expenses. He’s 31. The difference between the two is that he latter has absolute dominance and confidence that has been constantly put into practice and improvement through Game while the former has been worn down by work stress and the sedantary life which has robbed him of any masculine dominance.

  37. All girls are dykes. They do no want men, they want to be men. They want to be able to dominate other women, be in control of their lives, etc. but they cannot because they were born incorrectly.

    1. There’s a kind of truth in that. The dyke imperative is a function though of feminism’s identification of power as male, and the consequent self-contempt that many women have in terms of psychological conflict with their own femininity.
      Women are ‘dykes’ because they believe it is more powerful to be a woman playing at being a man than a woman playing at being a woman

      1. Maybe that’s the deep bitterness they all feel towards men, and the need to humiliate them. An inferiority complex.
        Imagine being a woman, you walk around shorter than most everyone else and weaker. Like it hasn’t bread deep resentment in their minds

  38. Sure seems like Contrary’s article has aroused some emotional responses. However I humbly invite everyone to view it dispassionately and not throw away the message because they don’t like the messenger’s style.
    What CC is saying is quite true. Of course it manifests itself in different ways and degrees according to what social group and context you find yourself in. But nonetheless it exists. Women definitely gravitate towards the most dominant men. Heck, I learned this way back in elementary school when I was like frigging 8 years old. The boys who were the most confident and boisterous, a bit rebellious and not afraid to stand out, the best at playing football and games, and not afraid to scrap physically with other boys, were also considered cute and cool by the girls. Boys who were shy and less sure of themselves faded into the background, or made fun of and bullied. And no one gave a shit about the inner hell some of the quieter boys had to face every day (I was one of them for a time). I don’t need any more proof that bitches are born with this instinct. Nothing’s new under the sun.
    So no need to get bent out of shape cos of what CC is saying. I don’t think he’s implying that men *have* to become bullies or thugs for the sake of attracting skanks. But it’s a fact that many a violent thug swims in tons of pussy, while many responsible, hard working and good hearted men are ignored, except maybe to be used as providers by the same skanks after they’ve been reamed by a 1000 thugs. I know a guy who’s been a bouncer for a long time and he’s seen it all, including chicks who cheerfully declare they want to sleep with at least 1000 men and then ‘settle down’, or sluts who come up to him after he’s physically removed someone from the club and tell him: “Ohhh seeing you kick that guy out made me soooo wet!”. Yep, the red pill is a bitter pill to swallow. I don’t like it anymore than you do.
    But we’re not here to whine about reality like little pussies. We must see things for what they are, learn and adapt. That’s what makes us men. Men find solutions, and everyone must find what works for him. Obviously CC has found the style that works for him, since he must have the genetics and temperament for it. It doesn’t mean you have to do it the same way if it doesn’t fit you. Find what works for YOU, fine tune it, and stay aware of its strengths and weaknesses. All men can improve themselves if they find the way that works best with their strengths and temperament, and all men can become more attractive. However you can never be attractive to all women, and neither would you want to, cos we all probably find a lot of women to be intolerable.
    Find your own niche which allows you to be who you most want to be, and be aware what kind of women it will appeal to or not. While CC’s style seems to be that of the strong, dominant, ‘enforcer’ type, that’s certainly not the only way. I’m more suited to the artist / musician / philosopher style cos that’s who I am. A big part of my seduction depends on good conversation. I’m aware that this gives me an edge with women who are stimulated by it, who have an IQ above room temperature and are well read enough to have a decent conversation. It’s a disadvantage when it comes to chicks who have a vocabulary of about 20 words and only respond to Neanderthal game. So be it. I would probably be unable to stand their company anyway.
    Don’t diss another guy for having found a style which works for him. If that style is not for you, fine. Create your own.
    Best.

    1. Fantastic post. As somebody on the same page as CC (physically intimidating, unafraid of confrontation, with a clear and well known edge of potential violence about me) his words ring true. Artist types are an altogether different category I think, they can come in any stripe (as you mention your success with said tactics). I suspect that most of the negative comments come from those PUA’s who indulge more on the side of city-boy/meterosexual/dandy identity and generally avoid even a whiff of the suggestion of physical confrontation with other men at all costs.
      The only point I wonder about is labeling it Neanderthal game. Many highly dominant masculine type men can be witty and intelligent without losing a shred of blue collar masculinity (think Mike Rowe here, or Sean Connery).
      As you say, find what works for you and run with it.
      Artist game works for you. Metero game works for others. Que sera sera. YMMV.

      1. Thanks. I meant the Neanderthal thing more as the kind of direct, overtly sexual approach which guys who have raw physical appeal can get away with. I didn’t mean it at all to disparage raw masculine physical presence. We all need it and benefit from it, and we all should cultivate it to the fullest extent of our ability. Although I’m not a 6′ plus natural hulk, I still workout regularly and hard and have done martial arts for many years. And I certainly don’t look down at blue collar masculinity. The point is that men who are naturally gifted with sheer physical presence will find that to be one of their main strengths and run with it. Other guys will cultivate different aspects. And there are still other aspects which no man can do without, like strength of character, a passion for life, clarity of thought, wisdom, and so on.
        Really, the core principles are the same for everyone. It’s just the window dressing and presentation that varies according to one’s strengths and weaknesses. We as men should be more concerned with the common aspects that unite our masculine experience in this world, than with arguing about the differences.

  39. Interesting article, CC, thanks. From your perspective what are the instincts or pulls that most men can’t resist? Maybe a followup article?

  40. You have to be fucking kidding me. Zero value in this article.
    I was a Division I college wrestler and no one fucks with a college wrestler. I saw this type of nonsense when guys from my team would go out. Lots of chicks would tell a guy who pulled that insecure macho bullshit described in this article an asshole but she doesn’t want to put her guy in harms way (if they asshole is a muscle bound loser with little else going for him besides his biceps).
    And I love how in the story the author (and his friend) believe she was responding. Did he fuck her? No. Case fucking closed.
    Some women are cunts. Some are loyal. Same with men. All this bullshit (disguised as red pill rhetoric) about how men are loyal and have honor and women don’t if fucking retarded. Grow up and see the fucking world for what it is.

    1. Thank you for your eloquence and even-handedness. Genuinely appreciate cool, ethical people and you certainly are among the ranks.
      *cheers*

  41. The “watch how you talk to me brother” line would have resulted in you getting your teeth kicked out if you said that to me. Especially after you put your hands on my lady.

  42. I would choke the fucking life out of you if you pulled that shit in front of me “player” with my date/girlfriend.You come across like some kind of RSD faggot with that bullshit example.

  43. Guys must be getting wimpier. Long ago when I was young the two scenarios you described usually ended up in a fist fight. Even if the instigator appeared to be tougher than the guy he was disrespecting. Not only that but it wouldn’t be out of the ordinary for the girl to physically stick up for her man, especially if he was losing the fight. What has happened to today’s younguns?

  44. There is a huge difference between a bully and an Alpha. Here’s one way you can tell the difference.
    “I usually do not try to disrespect other men, but I didn’t like his tone, so, after giving him a respectful nod, I say: “Gotcha, but watch how you talk to me, brother.” He sizes me up, then thinks of better of saying more.”
    If they guy she was with was Brock Lesnar (ex-UFC fighter) would you have said the same thing? Not a chance. Not Alpha, just an insecure bully trying to elevate himself.
    “During this exchange, I could see that the girl was getting more turned on as I refused to break, but successfully held my asshole frame. When I said the last line she looked ready to tear my clothes off, and my buddy, himself a veteran player, thought he could perceive this too, so I don’t think I am mistaken or being conceited here.”
    Not conceited. Delusional. You didn’t close her so it means ZERO.
    This article is absolute BS

  45. Redneck/jock asshole game. Real impressive, dipshit 😉
    “Yeah well, when this guy you’re with,” I say looking right at him, “can do something about it, let me know.”

  46. The situation you described where you called a guy out on his girlfriend shows how non-traditional and warped our society has become. I would go on to say that the couple either have a very strong relationship – so the guy did not feel his ego threatened in front of his girl but this doesn’t fit with her bitch behavior and them being out in a bar or a very weak one like most are nowadays. She is probably disposable to him and not worthy of a fight but still worthy enough not to lose her completely. I was born in a country close to eastern Europe and I can guarantee that if you did this there, any man save for the ones most in control of themselves would offer you a fight on the spot unless you have the look of a psychopathic criminal. Although that society is trending towards this rotten model as well with the women becoming more aggressive. 10 – 20 years ago serious hurt or even death might have been served.

  47. Powerful succesful men with money and high social class. don’t stick to one woman. that’s just how it is. tiger woods, bill clinton, arnold schwarzenegger, and so on. you’re either going to marry a successful man who cheats on you with an escort during business trips, OR a bum husband who sits at home all day who wont cheat on you. and this is coming from a girl

  49. I think I may have come up with a more precise definition of ‘Alpha male’.
    First some definitions for direct and indirect benefits in mate choice.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mate_choice#Direct_and_indirect_benefits
    Direct benefits are those that increase the fitness of the choosy sex through direct material advantages. These benefits include but are not limited to increased territory quality, increased parental care, and protection from predators. There is much support for maintenance of mate choice by direct benefits and it is the least controversial model to explain discriminate mating.
    Indirect benefits increase genetic fitness for the offspring. When it appears that the choosy sex does not receive direct benefits from his or her mate, indirect benefits may be the payoff for being selective. Examples of indirect benefits include better genetic quality and more attractive offspring. R. A. Fisher described this less obvious model in a book called The Genetical Theory of Natural Selection.[9] Fisher explained that, through indirect selection, fitter individuals inherit both the genes and the mating preference for some indicator trait. This linkage of an indicator trait and the preference for such trait results in exaggerated phenotypes and is known as Fisherian runaway selection.
    An ‘Alpha male’ is the male who gets the *best sex with the investment of the least direct benefits. Thus he is being selected primarily for indirect benefits.
    *Best sex= some optimum of quantity and quality. i.e. banging numerous hot 18 year old virgins is better sex than i) banging numerous hot 30 year old sluts, or ii) one hot 18 year old virgin. (Not sure if banging 1000 hot 18 year old virgins once is better than banging one hot 18 year old virgin for a lifetime, what one subjectively prefers would depend where one sits on the r vs K spectrum I imagine. (Personally I would prefer one hot 18 year old virgin for a lifetime who is also faithful and loyal over one night stands with 1000 different hot 18 year old virgins, but I guess I’m pretty K selected.))
    Or put even more precisely,
    An alpha male, is a male who is sexually selected maximally (or at the maximum) for indirect benefits while sexually selected minimally (or at the minimum) for direct benefits.
    This is also the optimum strategy for not being a cuckold.
    So a corollary of this definition would be that the alpha male, is the male who minimises the risk of cuckoldry.

  50. what a load of bull. Yes, confidence is attractive. Being a cocky arsehole isn’t. This woman isn’t interested in being dominated.

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