Western Civilization was not always the military and scientific powerhouse it has been over the past 500 years. It was made so by the actions of an elite cadre on men fighting thoughout many generations. It was made so by the tips of axes, swords, and rifles. I present to you three such men who defined the borders of Western Civilization and carved out a future for the West to prosper.
1. Charles Martel (The Hammer)
Martel Bashing Skulls
The Battle of Tours
732 AD, Europe, much like today was under siege from Islamic invaders. The Moors had pushed through the Iberian Peninsula and had their eyes on the heartlands of Europe. Charles did not have a professional army at his command, but rather farmers, usually only able to fight between planting and harvest.
His rag-tag group of warrior farmers were outnumbered roughly three to one, and were up against battle-hardened professional soldiers. Using defensive tactics, close-knit formations, and the terrain to his advantage, Martel was able to halt the Islamic invasion into Europe.
2. Jean De Valette
Siege of Malta
In 1565 AD, The Ottoman Empire was quickly expanding westward, having already taken much of the North African coastline and the Balkans. All that stood in their way from further conquest was a tiny island in the Mediterranean occupied by small order of 700 knights. If the Ottomans took the island they would gain a stepping stone into Sicily, Italy, and further into Europe.
The Knights Hospitaller were reinforced by the native Maltese people, a small number of Italian, Greek, and Spanish warriors, along with their servants. Even with these reinforcements the Knight’s forces were outnumbered eight to one. In one month’s time a force of 50,000 Ottoman warriors along with 70 siege cannons captured Fort St. Elmo.
The bodies of the knights killed there were decapitated, lashed to make shift crucifixes, and floated toward Fort St. Angelo. De Valette responded to the insult by ordering his men to fire the heads of dead Ottoman soldiers out of cannons targeted at the Ottoman encampments.
The siege carried on; about two months later the Ottomans had breached the walls on the main island and expected victory, but it was not to be. De Valette himself took up his pike charged toward the breach, inspiring his men. The Ottomans pouring in through the breach were cut down and slaughtered, while being pushed forward by the mass of bodies behind them.
De Valette’s men held out ferociously for one more month until a relief force of 28 ships carrying 10,000 warriors from all over Christian Europe drove off the Ottomans.
3. John III Sobieski
Polish Hussars
The Siege of Vienna
In 1683 AD, The Ottoman Turks were staging a massive assault on Vienna, a major strategic point which, if taken, would leave the doors of Europe wide open for Islamic domination. Again Western forces were severely outnumbered. A coalition of Germanic nobles, The Holy Roman Empire, and the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, were up against 300,000 Islamic invaders.
The fortifications of Vienna were the strongest and most advanced for their time, with hundreds of state-of-the-art cannons placed strategically across the walls. Turkish sappers dug tunnels under the walls and placed kegs of black powder in key areas.
For two months Vienna was cut off and starved. The walls were being blown to pieces and food supplies were non-existent. Just when the city was about to fall, 80,000 of Europe’s finest, under the command of King Sobieski, came to Vienna’s defense. King Sobieski, a tactical genius, had roughly 60,000 infantry men fight earlier in the day.
Then after hours of fighting, the Turks were worn and tired. King Sobieski then led the largest calvary charge in history. All at once 20,000 horsemen charged downhill at the exhausted Turks. At the front of the charge were 3,000 Polish Hussars; the most well trained, best equipped, badass, heavy calvary ever.
The result was a bloodbath. Not until modern immigration policy has the Islamic world ever tried to invade the West at such a scale.
Lessons
These three heroes of the West demonstrate all of Jack Donovan’s 4 traits of masculinity, strength, courage, mastery, and honor. These men did not fight alone, they were leaders. Leading by example, they fought on the front lines alongside their men, putting themselves in eminent danger.
This method of leadership inspired courage within the hearts of their troops. In modern times many think leadership is simply putting on an authoritative face and telling others what to do; these three men prove that vile notion wrong. Together Martel, De Valette, and Sobieski gave the West a tradition of honor and a legacy of valor.
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Hmm.. The real lesson here is Islam seeks to devour everything in its path and will do so unless it is given a good beating every century or so
Is it not a tenet of their religion to control as many other peoples as humanly possible?
Sounds a bit like a virus.
No wonder communists find kinship with it.
If I were in charge, this
http://imageshack.com/a/img174/7765/squarelargeforecastbackkg5.gif
I’d start with their cube thingy and work my way out.
It’s a cult, not a religion.
It is a cult, but the mental hold of a cult is difficult to break.
That’s why it needs to be wiped from existence along with all “believers”.
Harsh?
Yes.
Drastic measures should be taken to stifle Islam…just sayin’.
You don’t need to destroy them but merely have a respected barrier. They have just as much a right to be rid of us as we do of them.
Islam is cancer
Negative, Lawrence.
Yeah let’s wipe out hundreds of millions of people to create a safe space. That holds up.
No, it doesn’t.
Okay, if your conversational capabilities consist of a binary programming language then there’s nothing to discuss.
Muslims do not have just as much right to be rid of Westerners, in the West, as Westerners have to be rid of Muslim ideology, which is hostile to the West, and fundamentally contradicts the Western value system. Furthermore, it is futile to construct a ‘safe space’ as Islam is expansionist by nature, and the West is tolerant by nature. If you accept these two points, at some point conflict between Islam and the West is inevitable. A corollary of this inevitable conflict is a period of civil conflict as muslims in the West attack non-muslims and Western institutions. There is significant evidence in support of this argument.
well, since their “religion” calls for expansion by the sword….
I vote oven.
C’mon…we’ll do them and all the cucked commiecrat/socialists/communists all at once. The world would be a better place.
BIG Happy Face…
We’re going to need a bigger oven, uncle
I don’t disagree with you in that they have no place in the West but similarly we have no place meddling in their affairs and I am more than happy to let them decadently rot atop their oil money. Middle Eastern countries have some of the highest obesity rates in the world while the West has the most advanced implements of warfare. I am not worried about external war from Muslim countries. Should we come to blows they will be utterly destroyed and they know this, which is why the more stupid elements of their population have taken up asymmetrical warfare, often out of a sense of revenge against us for supporting Israel or invading Iraq/Afghanistan.
There’s a difference between keeping them at bay and wiping them all
out. Do you really think the Chinese or the Indians for example, would
be content to watch Europe & USA obliterate the Middle East and
North Africa? Leave the MENA alone and should they try to start something we will level Mecca. We don’t have to exterminate hundreds of millions of people in other countries because they aren’t white.
heh…we have “outdoor ovens”.
The prototypes were called Fat Man and Little Boy.
Civil conflict against Muslims is inevitable unless their numbers are curbed through immigration controls, something Western governments have made illegal. In fact, civil conflict is already occurring in many European countries, as Muslims exercise violence as a means of political expression. It is this conflict that is concerning, as increased numbers of Muslims agitate and gain political leverage.
In terms of the Middle East and North Africa, the Chinese and Indians are almost irrelevant in terms of American involvement, as is Europe. Neither China nor India has been involved in a legitimate land war since before the second world war. Europe cannot even secure its own borders, let alone wage a foreign war.
Level Mecca? There is no chance that a Western government will level Mecca, no one in a position of power has even suggested it. Because they aren’t white? People want to exterminate them because of the threat they pose in terms of ideology and violence, not because of their color. Playing the race card detracts from any legitimate point you may have.
Again, I absolutely agree that Muslim populations have no place in Western countries. They are a threat. They are an electoral threat, a cultural threat, a demographic threat, a sexually violent threat, a regularly violent threat, an ideological threat… You’re beating a dead horse pal. That we are even discussing this should tell you the nature of the political spectrum and base assumptions on this forum.
What I am critiquing is your genocidal mentality against Muslims in their own countries as some means of protecting Europe from them. China and India both possess nuclear weapons and they will be watching any unilateral decision made to wipe out hundreds of millions of people and I can guarantee you they would never allow us to exponentially increase our control over the world in such a way. Assuming that we would fight “a legitimate land war,” or that anyone would, shows that your knowledge of current generation warfare has substantial gaps. No one is going to pour millions of men into any front, given that they could be slaughtered by air and nuclear power. They stay on their side of the fence and we on ours, and both will survive and thrive.
As for the race card, I’ve got news for you. Playing the Islamophobe card detracts from any
legitimate point YOU may have, because leftists interpret Muslims in the
West as a racial group and will shit all over everything you say once
you let out that you don’t think they’re the same as anyone else.
There is no one here for you to signal to on RoK that you aren’t some sort of bad illiberal person. There are plenty of illiberal people here who recognize that racial differences exist, that civilization differences exist, and that religions are not cookie cutter facsimiles of one another. I don’t see how you could possibly have a problem with Islam but not with Arabs, Turks, Africans etc. in Europe, who are the ethnic or racial groups that profess Islam. They are connected.
There’s also no chance of a Western government doing any of the policies
you suggest towards Muslim populations both in Europe/USA and in their
homelands, so if we are discussing the hypothetical, leveling Mecca is as much on the table should a war break out between Muslims and Europeans as is your idea of European governments banning immigration from the Islamic world.
I do not advocate genocide, merely banning Islam from Western countries, much as Spain did after the Islamic expansion into Europe. If this option is off the table, what do you view as a solution to the problem?
Agreed. But, honestly, I think Jews are worse.
It’s not about safety, sure, the media tries to spin it (even though we all know who has the bombs, and who did the stuff that they claim was done by the muslims), it’s more about, “Do we want these cunts as our neighbours?” And the simple answer is, no.
And I’m saying this after having met a fair few Middle Eastern people, all of whom were really fucking nice. In fact some of the nicest people I’ve met have come from Iraq. But all that doesn’t matter, their religion states: 1) Kill everyone who isn’t Muslim. 2) Lie to your enemies about your real intents. 3) If any part of the Koran contradicts these missions, ignore it and follow the last commands.
Of course we don’t HAVE to exterminate hundreds of millions of non-whites, but let’s take a look at the future 100 years from now (a world your grandchildren will be inhibiting).
Who’s breeding the slowest? Japanese, Whites.
Who’s advanced modern society the most? Japanese, Whites.
So, using logic, if we (the intelligent countries) don’t start doing some mass culling of the scum (Africans, Chinese, Indians, Middle Easterns, etc) the world will head back to the dark ages.
And that brings me to an obvious question for you, Lawrence, “Are you unable to think long term, or do you just not care about your grandchildren?”
I’ve been out-LARPed! Clearly we must eliminate everyone else on the planet. I wonder why no one thought of that before or carried it out.
tough call…
No. There is nothing wrong with Judaism. Some of our best people against evil and demonic Islam are Jews. David Horowitz, Pamela Geller, Barenakedislam, vladtepesblog, Dennis Prager etc.
Most orthodox Jews vote conservative and oppose Islam.
What you are talking about is secular Jews. They hate the traditional Western Civilization (Christendom) and wish to destroy it and replace it with atheist Marxist Utopia, where nobody care about their Jewish roots that they hate so much.
Well Hitler tried to save us from the Jews (amongst other dickheads) but, unfortunately, failed. Now we have Jews running rampant fucking shit up. But I guess you’re one of the cunts who thinks this is a good thing because, and I quote The most common response, “Otherwise we’d be speaking German” like That’s the worst fucking thing in the world.
It is thanks to the pagan/occultist moron Hitler that being a patriot is now suddenly a dirty thing on par with as a pedophile rapist.
Without this Christian hating sick psycho, we would not have this problem and could be proud of being whites, just as blacks are proud of being blacks.
Hitler was Christian. FYI.
If you believe that, you are an idiot. Show me one renowned historian within academia that make that claim.
Only retarded atheist web sites rant on about Hitler being a devout Catholic. He was a pagan. And most of the leadership of SS belonged to the occult Thule order.
Oh, and FYI stands for Fuck You Ignorance, in this case. I know you’re writing a reply trying desperately to disprove the FACT that Hitler was a Christian… well, read Mein Kumpf.
Exactly as I expected. “Fuck you and your claims, they cut deep into my Christian beliefs.” Well, as I wrote in my other pre-emptive reply, he talks about his childhood and going to church often.
Bam. Fuck your beliefs. Facts is facts.
I have read Mein Kampf in German, ignorant moron.
He rants on about the “Godess of fortune”, gods this and gods that. His ranting and ravings is totally consistent with paganism, and has nothing to do with the Jesus Christ. Not even close.
His private conversations behind closed doors, ample documented, reveals a vile and insane hatred for Christianity and a fanatic admiration of the warrior religion Islam.
Educate yourself.
Most you fanatic atheist psychos lover of Marxism or, as in your case, Nazism, were born into Christian families but rejected God as grown ups.
To claim that this is “evidence” for him being a devout Christian as grown up, is just insane and utterly illogical.
But just as expected. Go cry to your picture of Stalingrad, Nazi moron and caller of the death of all Jews. Normally you Nazis just love Muslims, as you hate the Jews, so why do you differ from the norm?
Pagan=occulist Moron lolololololololololololololololololololololololol I know a history channel historian when I see one.
No, but really, just kill yourself.
Paganism and occultism is not the same. I never claimed that.
You have zero logical argument and just expose yourself as an uneducated and low-IQ moron.
Ah, hit a nerve. Understandable, it’s hard to dispute a fact that came from the horses mouth. I’m now thinking you’re a jew, trying to dissuade the imminent slaughter that’s coming. I mean, you do know the Eastern Europe has gone full Hitler, right?
Mmmm, so he PUBLICLY states how he’s born and raised a Christian, goes to church and believes in God, but PRIVATELY says otherwise. You do realise that if what you says is true then… that makes fuck all difference because he PUBLICLY states he is a Christian, so for all intents and purposes to the PUBLIC who supported him, they were supporting a CHRISTIAN movement. You DO get that, right? Or do I have to spell it out even clearer to you.
P.S. Please provide verbatum quotes of how Hitler loves Islam. Go on, do it.
I am a Christian. Not a Jew. Your simplistic “kill all the Jews” is that of an inferior mind. Both Pamela Geller and barenakedislam really hate liberal Jews like Jon Stewart.
The one who really exposed the history of the oppression of the non-Muslims, and EU’s ties to the Muslim world, was Bat Ye’Or, a Jew.
I could go on and on.
I agree with Roosh that Jewish atheist intellectuals have been a disaster for the West. But so has many conservative Jews, artists, scientists, etc also been a BLESSING for the West.
Hilter ranted on about a generic, ie pagan, god. Not that Jesus Christ was his Lord and Saviour.
Hitler developed positive Christianity. Something that was Christian in name only. The Jewish Messiah, Jesus Christ was taken out, everything Jewish was taken out. So you had Christianity without Christ. What a joke. This is one reason why no renowned academic historian ever called Hitler a devout Christian. Only you uninformed and ill-informed atheist idiots do that.
Here are just a few example from approx 100 pro Islam statements:
According to Speer, Hitler stated in private, “The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?”[228] Speer also stated that when he was discussing with Hitler events which might have occurred had Islam absorbed Europe:
Hitler said that the conquering Arabs, because of their racial inferiority, would in the long run have been unable to contend with the harsher climate and conditions of the country. They could not have kept down the more vigorous natives, so that ultimately not Arabs but Islamized Germans could have stood at the head of this Mohammedan Empire.”
— Albert Speer[228]
Similarly, Hitler was transcribed as saying:
‘Had Charles Martel not been victorious at Poitiers […] then we should in all probability have been converted to Mohammedanism, that cult which glorifies the heroism and which opens up the seventh Heaven to the bold warrior alone. Then the Germanic races would have conquered the world.[230]
Source: wikipedia – Hitler’s view on Islam
Interesting quotes:
“Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?” i.e. why can’t we get warriors rather than pussies fighting for us.
“…Arabs, because of their racial inferiority…” Yeah, R.E.S.P.E.C.T.
“…that cult which glorifies the heroism…” i.e. suicidal cult. One more time, cult.
Yeah, those excerpts clearly state how much Hitler loves Allah and all his people. Also it goes on and on and on about how fucking cool the Koran is too. Man, you got me there.
No, wait, here’s another interesting quote:
Hitler,
Franco and Mussolini were given VETO power over whom the pope could
appoint as a bishop in Germany, Spain and Italy. In turn they surtaxed
the Catholics and gave the money to the Vatican. Hitler wrote a speech
in which he talks about this alliance, this is an excerpt: “The fact
that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the
acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church.
This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the
assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to religion is a
lie.” Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party.
And, finally, Hitler was baptized… and NEVER excommunicated.
So, fuck your quotes right in the pussy, facts is facts.
I said Hitler respected Islam, you start to whine about how Hitler disliked Arabs, as if that should be the very same thing. Please learn basic logic.
On what basis should the Catholic church excommunicate Hitler? Do you have any idea of Catholic excommunicating at all? Tell me how it is done. Go on, make a fool of yourself.
Explain “Mit brennender Sorge”.
Show me the documentation supporting the claim that anyone have veto over who the Catholic church elects bishops.
//So, fuck your quotes right in the pussy, facts is facts.//
Your comment says more about you, than me. Nice.
Something went wrong when I tried to paste your quote.
You said Hitler was a pagan/occultist Moron. He hated that sort of guff and ridiculed Himmler for his obsession with the old Germanic religions. It was Himmler that was interested in the occult, not Hitler. Hitler was a deist. Read table talk. It’s the man in his own words.
He was a fucking deist. He ridiculed Christianity in private. He was trying to gain power in a Christian society. It’s only sensible that he played the part of a Christian man when he was required to.
Hitler had a spiritual experience during WWI, where he believe he was saved supernaturally from danger. After that he believed he had a mission from the gods or god. He ridiculed Himmler, because Hitler believed that the true spiritual forces were hidden, before his time.
However, his spiritual universe is clearly pagan. The origin of the Aryan race as a superhuman root race, is from the occultist Helena Blavatsky. The Swastika is a pagan symbol from India. The Swastika is a broken cross, and unholy for Christians.
If you have read the Table talks, and not just some random quotations on the internet, you will know how much Hitler hated Christianity, loved Islam and how he was not sure of he followed god or gods (deism or paganism)
But don’t you see, that’s exactly my point: He played the part of a Christian man to his supporters (who were Christian too). And as for his “private and totally confirm-able quotes” that’s all good and well but it is impossible to deny that he was born a Christian, publically called himself a Christian, and died a Christian. Are you able to accept facts not opinions, and just get over it, or do I need to explain it again?
It convinced the Japanese to knock off their Crap in WW2. When it boils down to survival a person has to make a choice, either them or me? Unfortunately Right Now we are Sitting Back and allowing this War to go on at the Expense of our soldiers lives because of Politically sensitive reasons when in fact we could clean shop in about 2-3 weeks, maybe less if we let loose the Hounds of War. Trust me, ISIS and the Muslims would be fine with wiping out hundreds of Millions of People to create a Safe Space for Islam.Is it Really taking the Higher Road to be against Mass Destruction when it could unsure our societies beliefs, future, and Legacy? We aren’t quite at the Point yet, but if it boils down to it and Nuclear Weapons Had to be used to subdue the Middle East, i’m all for it.
Judas Iscariot was an Apostle. What is your point?
Did you seriously ask me, “What is your point?” Seriously?
You are nearly there. Keep going….
English your second language, or are you stupid? You can be honest.
“English your second language, or are you stupid? ”
Ha! This coming from a man who argues with attempted insults.
Hang on. You’re arguing that I’m “attempting” insults… after you ask me what my point is of mentioning that Hitler was a Christian in response to a poster stating that he was pagan? Trust me, no “attempting” required, you might just be the dumbest troll I’ve read. And I’m not using hyperbole, I’m being 100% serious. I’ve read some doozies in my time, but your “trolling” is just fucking incredulous.
You made no attempt articulate what in Hitler’s Catholicism informed him of the evil he would later unleash.
He may have been in the Church when young but dear Fuhrer was no Catholic.
The devil was cast out of heaven and to mention him as a reformed angel is as pointless as your insults.
Grossly incorrect Mate. Horowitz, Geller et al. are only concerned with the ‘West’ if it benefits them and their interests. They are much more concerned with Israel and are merely the opposite side of the Islamic fanatic coin.
Ah Godwin’s law was bound to occur once we started having a conversation about white showing some backbone. How predictable.
The problem is the cult has about a billion followers mostly concentrated in several major regions of the world. Even if we’re talking a hot Third World War you won’t get them all and in the process most of the world will probably be destroyed. The best way to fight against a cult is to disarm its followers with mental attacks. The same could be applied here.
I can always LARP about it…one day, tho, God will have his way.
The devil was a female, dickhead, and was the angel of knowledge. If you believe the bible (shakes head) and believe in God and Satan, and AREN’T on Satan’s side (after she slaughtered way, way, fewer people than God, and didn’t try to keep us all ignorant) then, fuck!
Sheep does as sheep is told, and you’re a lamb to the slaughter.
And, btw, you’ll never be more than just a dumb cunt to me after your “What’s the point” initial statement, so just fuck off already, you’re only gonna get angry that you can’t defeat knowledge and logic with beliefs.
If you want to rant about Godwin’s law, why do you make a comment to me. I hope you are intelligent and literate enough to see that Floyd mentioned Hitler first, not me. Your comment makes no logical sense whatsoever. Maybe that also explains your hatred for Christianity and political position as well. Again; without Hitler, patriotism would not have been a dirty word, and we would not have been in the mess in Europe as we are now. Only because of the horrific war crimes of Hitler and extermination camps, is it toxic to be proud of being white. Thanks a lot Mr. Hitler.
You should go and read a Bible.
And regarding backbone. Christians are operating underground churches throughout the Muslim world. Giving food and shelter. Including helping Yazidis in Da’esh controlled areas.
So where are all the brave Nazis? I only see them on the internet trolling.
Sure, living with death threats from vile Muslims really “benefits them and their interests.” Go and learn basic logic, please.
So if Jews support multiculturalism and Muslim mass immigration, they do it only for Jewish self-interest. And if they oppose multiculturalism and Muslim mass immigration, they ALSO only serve their Jewish self-interest. Are you able to see how illogical you position is?
Norway is a very small country and we know our Jews. I always ask Norwegian Jew-haters if they can name just ONE Jew who pushed for multiculturalism. They can’t find a single one. It was ALL done by hard-left atheists who hated our Judeo-Christian culture and history, and dreamed about their globalist Utopia, ruled by socialist, they themselves of course.
Your “opposite side of the coin” argument makes no sense whatsoever. That is like saying good and evil is just the same as good is just the opposite side of the evil coin. Ridiculous.
So while Jews, like Pamela Geller, David Horowitz, barenakedislam, vladtepesblog, Dennis Prager, Bat Ye’or, et al, are standing up for our Western Civilization against Islam, and thereby risking their lives, the Nazis are hiding under their beds. I never see you ever.
Our problems started in the early 1880s when Europe really started to ditch God and embrace hedonism, based on the moral void of atheism.
Tsar Bomba?
Thank you. This man gets it. Dont be fooled by the act. Unless they renounce islam and burn their Quran in front of you, they’re just putting up a front until the radicals kill you & then these peaceful ones can join them
Abrogation is a big part of the Quran, all infidels (I’m a proud bacon eating infidel) would be wise to understand the 3 points listed above.
Like the terminators, that is their prime directive until they stop believing in islam. they will try by all means to accomplish the goal
or both of your races (the smartest, healthiest, youngest, brightest of your bunch) will fly to mars, colonize, & repopulate leaving the rest of us to fight with the aloha snackbars & the dindu nuffins.
more than likely ping pong cheng & bengali rajesh will probably beat the shit out of both of them
the curb immigration ship has sailed; the camel’s nose in the tent. Just look at UK, the French Banieulus, or Malmo.
the only solution is war & whoever loses gets forced out of europe through death marches to the sea or gas chamber ovens
these muslim fuckers started it, those of us who are left that believe in civilzation will finish this fight.
What sort of civilization includes death marches and gas chambers?
I’d bother replying with a lengthy answer but, it wouldn’t matter, you’re grossly informed. And I understand and symoathize Mate. Most of UA haven’t been provided with the information to see the big picture.
Oh no. Egads. You mantioned the evil Hitler again. Try and see if you can mentioned Hitler at least once in every one of your posts. You can do it. Use your Girl Power.
Thanks for proving my point.
If you are unable or unwilling to use any kind of facts and/or logic, why do you even bother to comment?
Fuck you and the Jews! You neocon zionist piece of shit!
“Judeo-Christian” is code word for jew loving neocon zionists. Go back to Breitbart or Drudge where you belong ass clown.
I demand the right NOT to be logical!
Go suck jew dick you neocon ass licker.
Stop spouting off your “Judeo-Christian” social gospel. You’re a fucking heretic and NOT a Christian. You are a Judaizer and support Christ killing Pharisaical Jews.
Don’t you mean Educate Yourself with Jewish Propaganda?
You are like an apostle of Simon Magus spouting off about how his master was the original Disciple of Christ. You are fucking ludicrous!
Thanks, rage boi, for exposing yourself in such and obvious manner.
Sure, in your delusional world, there are no documented facts and logic. It is all Jewish propaganda, so hate and vile comments can substitute facts and logic. Keep smoking that crack.
OK, explains a lot
As I am a Christian, I am not gay but a 100% heterosexual conservative. You seem very familiar with the practice you describe.
If you were not a moron. You would know that the Hebrew Bible is incorporated in the Christian Bible. How can we then not say it is Judeo-Christian foundation
Yawn. Ask yourself this. Where were Horowitz and Geller thirty years ago when the attacks on white Christian society’s traditions were accelerating? Right. They were on the other side.
The Geller’s of the world only care about European culture now due to their immense dislike of Muslims. They’re using Europeans as a proxy.
Most truly effective anit-communists were all former communists/leftists.
Horowitz is the norm.
First book to really warn about the decay of our society/academic institutions was The closing of the American mind, in the 80s if I remember correct. Written by Allan Bloom, a Jew.
Mate why do you hate facts??
Funny how I’ve never ever heard a single Muslim speak of this “abrogation” thingy like that, just lots and lots of haters.
More like a code word for “Christians, including Jews as honorary Christians”
That’s what all genocidal extremists say: “Our enemies are EVIL! They want to kill us just for existing! We are ***Totally Different***, we just want to kill them to prevent them from killing us!”
And what if they don’t believe that those 3 things are religious mandates? Hint: Most Muslims don’t.
all religions are cults dumbasss
…said the dumbass
“cults” take people hostage or threaten them with death…you DO know how Ol’ Mo got his juice, right?
Christianity is a choice.
It’s a choice until they hear they’re going to burn in hell for an eternity then it becomes fear. I’d said something like Jainism would be more of a choice.
That’s why its so important if it is true or not. You can’t make that claim without ample proof.
Atheism is a cult.
How so?
Google league of militant atheists.
I criticized the science, logic and facts of the junior food scientist Thunderf00t on youtube, and got death threats from his followers. How is that not a cult?
Illogical argument. If you don’t believe in Christianity, you don’t fear hell, as it is pure fiction.
If you do believe in Christianity, you fear hell, but then you already are a Christian, and have a guarantee (unless you turn away and become crazy evil) that you will not end up in hell.
A cult is a system of religious veneration, generally towards a person or object. Atheism lacks the ‘religious’ aspect, as well as the person or object. By definition, atheism cannot be a cult. Being bullied by atheists does not make atheism a cult.
The argument is not illogical. If a person is told by their parents as a child that you must be a Christian/Muslim/Hindu/Whatever or else you will go to hell/whatever, people tend to believe it, regardless. Their religious position is unformed, though belief exists. However, Christianity is certainly a kind of choice, albeit often arrived at through a system of coercion.
The argument is illogical, as I pointed out.
You talk about something totally different, not fear as a motivator, but adopted world view from parents.
How do you explain that Russians ditched godless atheism after generations of indoctrination, both heavily by the state and communist majority atheist parents/grandparents.
I was raised in an atheist family, in atheist Norway with vile attacks on Christianity and Christian history, both by school/academia and our state broadcaster NRK (sole TV and Radio provider for many decades by Norwegian law).
If a rather large number of people respond to legitimate criticism of their great hero, based on logic and facts, with vile aggression and death threats, then clearly this is a cult, caused by the void of admiration created by atheism that historically always lead to a personality cult.
That the definition of a cult must have a religious aspect is absolutely not true.
Webster:
4: a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator
5
a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fadb : the object of such devotion
c : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion
Illogical Argument? Every argument of yours is illogical you fucking douche-bag.
Your whole mentality and ideology is esentially the same as Anders Behring Breivik. You are just as bat-shit crazy as he is.
He never prayed and was a “cultural” Christian. In his manifest, also an atheist could be a cultural Christian as long as he celebrated Christmas etc.
I saw Breivik commenting on Document.no, but saw easily that he was no true believer and never bothered to contact him.
I saw your other mouth-foaming comments and hysterical rant, so I don’t bother to answer you any more. You clearly are not here for any kind of learning or personal growth.
Bye.
Very well, I will accept your (rather broad) definition of a cult. By this definition, almost any movement of any kind can be labelled a cult. Running enthusiasts are members of a cult. Sports fans are members of a cult. Certainly all religions are cults by this definition, including Christianity. And if every movement is a cult, then the term is meaningless. Also, in your recital of the definition, you failed to post the first three (most accurate) definitions. These are:
Cult:
1 : formal religious veneration : worship
2 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3 : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents.
I am sure you will note that the three (most common and accurate) definitions I have listed all treat cults as a religious phenomenon. Regardless, I do not see that it applies to atheism. Perhaps you believe some people display a devotion to atheism, and that qualifies it as a cult, however I believe it is necessary for a cult to be based on a ‘belief’. Atheism is not a movement, system, or belief. Rather it is broadly characterized by a lack of belief, or a denial of a belief. Furthermore, the level of devotion must be of a great magnitude to qualify as a cult, which is not the case with (certainly most) atheists. You initially said atheism is a cult because a group of atheists sent you death threats, indicating that you believe violence is a characteristic of a cult. Is this what you think? If so, can you point to an instance of a person committing violence in the name of atheism?
The two issues are related. An adopted world view? Perhaps, but one which is adopted using fear and rewards as motivators – heaven and hell. The argument is therefore not illogical: threat of punishment (among other things) forms a basis of coercion by which people are ‘encouraged’ to adhere to a religion. I am not saying this threat is universal, but it is certainly a characteristic of every religion I’ve encountered.
In terms of Russians ditching ‘godless atheism after generations of indoctrination’, I don’t believe that religion was every fully abandoned by the Russian people, and therefore they didn’t so much ‘ditch’ atheism as more openly practice the religion they have always practiced. In terms of your ‘cult of personality’ point above, something you attribute to atheism: there may be a connection between atheism and the creation of a cult of personality, however I believe that a cult of personality is more accurately paired with extreme political movements like communism or fascism. It is therefore more a means of control than a product of atheism, and a means to supplant pre-existing religion. The state banning religion can create a void which can be filled (somewhat) by a cult of personality, though to characterise such a cult as a product of atheism is to ignore the underlying motivation that created the cult in the first place.
No, that is another cultural Marxist myth that Soviet Union had freedom of worship with a free church. Fact is that the godless communists violently oppressed the Christians and nearly exterminated Christianity for good. Between 100 and 200 000 clergy were killed, merely for being priests. Even when the villagers begged the godless communists not to kill the priest, because they were very poor priests and only did good. The atheists would kill them. Favourite method during winter, to poor water on them in the snow until they died. Very often after torture, including cutting tongues if they prayed and/or sticking out the eyes.
Read Richard Wurmbrand, I believe his organization, Voice of the Martyrs, has free books and other free material online. He was a Romanian and the torture and persecution were much worse in Soviet Union.
If children came to school and showed sign of knowledge of Christianity, there would be an investigation and the parents and/or grandparents sent to Gulag.
There were a few official churches, run by KGB officers as priests, conducting sermons where pure Marxism was infused and created a pseudo-Christianity. Every member of the Church, would have his/her name taken and their future life/career totally crushed.
There were a small underground church in Soviet Union, and Bibles and printing presses were smuggled in.
Atheism creates a spiritual and moral void, and atheists have always filled this with a very vicious and violent form of personal cult.
It is binary, either you believe or you don’t. If you believe you are a Christian and therefore saved and don’t fear hell (unless starting to behave like Hitler and lose salvation).
If you don’t believe you don’t fear what you believe is a joke.
If you can’t see the logic, I can’t help you.
Too claim that Christians use fear of hell against atheists that clearly don’t believe in hell at all, is just another insane and illogical attack on Christianity by atheists.
You claimed that only religous people, per definition, could belong to a cult. I proved you wrong.
I did not fail to mention other definitions, there was no logical reason for me to mention them to prove you wrong. I kept the original number connected to the definitions I gave, to indicate competing definitions.
I don’t see hordes of Christians attacking young atheist girls making songs about her belief and wish for staying virgin until marriage and sending vicious/hysterical death threats against anyone using sound logical arguments against their superhuman heroes, Dawkins, Hitchens, thunderf00t et al.
Internet atheists are the most vicious, anti-academic and hate-filled group on the internet. Even Satanists look civil compared to them. That is why a peer reviewed science paper showed that atheists are trusted as much as rapists. Even atheists distrusted fellow atheists less than Christians.
Your “in the name of” argument is meaningless. I can kill in your name, against your will, what does that say about you? Nothing.
Christianity created Christendom, the greatest civilization the world has ever seen. Atheism has only caused death and misery, from the reign of terror in France to the killing fields in Cambodia, Gulags in Soviet Union and death camps in China.
Atheism gave us the word terrorism. Nothing more.
More than 100 million innocent people were killed, tortured and raped by atheists, within less than 100 years. More than anyone else in the recorded history of mankind. Worse, there is nothing within atheism that says murder, rape and torture is wrong. Hence there is nothing within atheism that says atheists will not do it again.
Moral relativism and subjective morality are logically inherent within atheism. That caused the murder, rape and torture spree. Unprecedented in human history. Not communism.
That is also why no society, and far less a civilization, has ever been built upon godless atheism.
Certainly much evil has been done by people who do not believe in a god. However, just as much evil, if not more, has been done by those who believe in a god. It is false to claim that all violence done by atheism is the fault of atheism but the violence done by religious people is not the fault of religion. This is your claim, and it is rank hypocrisy.
What is a better measure of the morality of a system of belief is the justification one finds in that system to do violence, or rather, the violence done in the name of that system. Hence communism is responsible for the deaths caused in the name of communism: the system of totalitarian communism required the deaths of religious adherents, not atheism at all. No one was killed because atheism demands the conversion or death of non-atheists. No one runs around killing all non-atheists – in contrast with several major religions, where people have run around at several points killing people who don’t subscribe to their religious views. This is because there is no principle of propagation in atheism, unlike in religions.
In terms of your stance on atheism and morality: atheism is morally neutral – it has nothing to say about morality. It is not morally relativistic, or morally subjective. It is not about morality at all. If you believe it is about morality, then you fundamentally misunderstand what atheism is.
The claim of moral degeneracy many religious people seem to make of atheism is that in the absence of a moral system provided by religion, atheism must be a moral void. This is a false view, true only insofar as humans can choose to be moral or not – certainly not a choice faced only by atheists. Atheists have a moral system informed by their religious history, but not bound by a set of rules provided by an absent, all-powerful wizard, who cannot be applied to for clarification. Much as western society has found that rigid religious laws have been insufficient to govern modern societies, atheists recognise the failings of religious morality (an oxymoron if ever I’ve seen one).
In terms of christianity and ‘Christendom’, certainly a great civilisation has flourished in lands considered ‘Christian’, but this has often been despite the controls imposed by christianity. Christian churches have played a significant role in fostering the conditions under which science and prosperity have improved, but have also suppressed both science and economic advancement at many points. Anyway, this last point can be argued back and forth ad nauseum.
Finally, your attacks on atheism come from a position of religious certainty. Your entire argument is based on the belief that the best moral system or system of beliefs is a religious one. As all religion is based on the existence of a god or gods, something that is unverifiable, all arguments which stem from that premise are suspect. If I am wrong about this, if the existence of your god can be demonstrated physically, or logically proven, please do so. Until that is done, your religion and any arguments regarding its superiority, are false.
No, atheism is not morally neutral. Atheism rejects the idea of objective morality from God, and does not bring any other basis for objective morality. Thus atheism rejects objective morality and must logically have moral universe of moral relativism and subjective morality.
No, no one has been as vile and murderous as atheists. More than 100 million innocent dead within less than 100 years.
No one has ever killed more of their own population as atheists. In nominal terms, China under Mao. In relative terms Cambodia under Pol Pot.
No, these insane and unprecedented murder sprees were caused by atheism and not communism. If the communism we saw were solely based on, and totally followed by, the teaching of Jesus Christ, there would have been no murder. Logically, communism can therefore not be the cause.
Communism based on atheism, however, has no problem with slaughtering tens of millions of innocent people.
God can be proven scientifically. Since the scientific universe had a beginning, there must logically be an uncaused cause with a power of creation. Normally called God. The only alternative explanation we know of, is an untested hypothesis of multiple universes with at least one eternal, and thus uncaused, universe.
For other scientific arguments for God.
Read:
I don’t have enough faith to be an atheist, by Norman Geisler.
and/or
Without excuse, by Werner Gitt.
If you find any logical/empirical errors, please inform me. If not, accept God 🙂
Regarding hypocrisy, is it not more hypocritical to blame the teaching of Jesus Christ for actions that are in clear violation of the same teaching? How does that even make logical sense?
Can you find any evil thing I am commanded to do in full accordance with the teaching of Jesus Christ?
I have addressed atheism vs communism, as you have failed to engage in my point I won’t again.
Certainly religions and religious people have been as vile and murderous as atheists. Your own old testament is littered with tales of war and violence. History itself is a record of violence, almost exclusively perpetrated by people who claim religion. According to the christian bible, god killed almost the entire human population of the world at one point. Your god did. Talk about an insane, unprecedented murder spree. Nothing atheists have done has been that extreme.
I don’t claim that the teachings of Jesus are evil. Far from it. I claim that religion has done much evil, christianity included. This may contradict the tenets of a particular religion, but this does not absolve that religion of some responsibility, in my opinion. Religious wars, inquisitions, crusades, suppression of breakaway religions, etc etc. Not to mention religion’s oppression of its own adherents.
In terms of atheism and morality: religion says ‘you must live this way’. Atheism says nothing of the kind. It is therefore not a moral stance. Atheism rejects the existence of a god and therefore rejects the existence of god as a source of morality. It does not reject morality itself. Nor does atheism takes no stance against objective morality itself. Many atheists do, as objective morality as a concept is unprovable without an appeal to authority. Morality, a human concept, is certainly based on human perception of right and wrong, and is therefore subjective. If you can prove that morality is objective without an appeal to authority, please do so.
Now, your proof of god seems to boil down to 1. The universe has a beginning.
2. Something must have therefore existed which caused the beginning of the universe.
3. That something must be god.
I am not a scientist, I do not understand the origins of the universe. Neither do you, therefore you cannot state that the universe has a beginning with certainty.
Nor can you state that an agency – a sentient being – caused the beginning.
Even if we accept premise 1 and 2 as correct, there is a logical leap made in stating god as the cause. How do you know it was god? It may have been god’s big brother. It may have been something we haven’t seen and don’t understand.
There is simply no evidence of your assertions. And religions aren’t even looking for evidence. There are no superconducting supercolliders funded by religion setting out to show that god was there in the beginning waving his wand.
To illustrate how your argument fails, I will reiterate it using god.
1. God has a beginning.
2. Something must have therefore existed which caused the beginning of god.
3. That something must be God.
So, using your argument: God created God. Tautology at its finest. Don’t bother with the how of it, we’ll just accept that on faith. Let me forestall your ‘God is eternal’ rejoinder. If god is eternal, why can’t the universe be?
To further counter your god argument: Many religions exist. Many religions are fundamentally opposed i.e. they cannot all be correct. You state that christianity is the one true religion. Can you demonstrate that christianity is more valid than judaism? Or indeed more valid than rastafarianism? And if you cannot, can any religion? And if any religion cannot demonstrate greater validity, and they can’t all be true, aren’t they all invalid?
Now in terms of untested hypotheses: science is trying to come up with testable hypotheses in order to discover the origins of the universe. Is religion doing the same with god? What hypotheses has christianity come up with regarding the nature of god? Can we test for god? Is there a machine that shows he exists? No, there isn’t. At this stage, an untested multiple universes theory is the best we’ve got, if that is indeed all we’ve got. To throw over the best idea that humans currently have in favor of ‘Look god did it. I’m telling you. No, don’t ask any questions. I know the old book says he’s a psychopath, but he’s nice now. What do you mean proof? I’ve got a book.’ is patently absurd.
I will accept god when I can either perceive it or it is logically proven. Until then, he will remain a split personality wizard.
A Communism + based on teaching Jesus Christ = no killing (ideal world)
B Communism + based on atheism’s moral void = no killing to limitless killing
The common determinant for killing is not communism, but atheism. If not, there would not be possible to have a scenario with communism and absolute certainty of no killing (ideal world).
To compare the judgement of God with the murder spree of atheists is just as a faulty comparison fallacy. Just as claiming killing farm animals is just the same and just as bad as gassing humans during Holocaust.
You claim that God is a psychopath etc. I am totally sure that you have no clue what you are talking about. That you have not read the Bible until you understood the teaching, and you have not read a single book within systematic theology. If you claim otherwise, I will then ask you some basic theological questions that you ought to answer without any problem at all.
Slaughtering more than 100 million innocent people within less than 100 years is unprecedented within the recorded history of mankind is unprecedented.
You confuse the existence of objective morality with proving the truthfulness of the objective morality. Christians use the Bible as basis for objective morality, whether God truly exist or not.
Your rephrasing of my logical example has major flaws.
Why must God have a beginning? Explain why it is logically and/factual impossible for God to be eternal without a beginning.
That we don’t “know” about the beginning of the universe is true. However, scientific is very clear that the universe had a beginning. So to have a world-view that rule out a universe with a beginning is pretty anti-scientific and flat-earth-ish.
The competing hypothesis are not God versus multiple universe, but our universe had a beginning and multiple universe.
The correct hypothesis regarding God would be life created by God on earth, and life spontaneously self-create from a rock (dead matter) just like that, without any divine intervention whatsoever.
Read Darwin’s doubt by Stephen Meyer.
Competing religions are discussed in the book I gave you by Norman Geisler. There are many other books that deal with the same question.
I have read many, many books by atheists promoting atheism. How many books by Christian apologetic have you read?
Ah, you are pro-communism. That explains why you are so willing to characterise communism as a benevolent philosophy and atheism as morally evil. You are suffering from a form of confirmation bias. Let me put this in terms you will understand: Communism is characterised by violence. Wherever there is communism, there will be violence, as communists take from people what those people have earned or own.
You say that communism and christianity together are a happy state of affairs, however this has never been attempted, nor could it be. The two philosophies seem to me to be totally incompatible. You have no basis to say that communism and christianity would be a good thing.
I don’t state god must have a beginning, I illustrate that it is just as valid to assert that god has a beginning as it is to assert that the universe has a beginning. I then use that to illustrate the logical fallacies in your argument for the existence of god. As you have failed to offer a valid repudiation of my argument, it stands.
Please stop referring me to books. Either make the arguments yourself, or admit you are incapable of advancing rational arguments to support your position.
The flood example I use is perfectly reasonable. You state that there is nothing worse than what communist/atheists have done, I show that in your own mythology your god has committed worse crimes. In fact his behaviour, were he human, would be characterised as psychopathic. Or do you think slaughtering 99.9% of the human population, on the pretext of some sort of moral degeneracy, is not psychopathy?
Your view of science and creation betrays a misunderstanding of the scientific method. No scientist says life spontaneously self-created. This is a mischaracterisation often employed by creationists to ridicule evolution. Abiogenesis was a process occurring over hundreds of millions, perhaps billions, of years, in which bacteria formed from organic compounds. There are many theories as to exactly how this occurred and many experiments attempting to puzzle out the process. Contrast this with the christian view of creationism, in which a wizard decided one day on a whim to create life from nothing. I’m sure the religious experiments attempting to figure out how this occurred are equally rigorous.
I am not confused about objective morality at all. I am merely confused as to how you can assert that it exists, based on the teachings of a being whose existence cannot be shown. It is easy to demonstrate that there is no such thing as objective morality. Simply provide me with an an example of an objective moral principle, and I will disprove it. In the end you will see that what you consider to be objectively moral (or immoral) is simply a reflection of what you feel subjectively to be moral (or immoral). If I can disprove even one of your objective moral principles, then the system fails.
Look, I’m not an atheist, I’m an agnostic, but the certainty of theists is even more ridiculout than the certainty of atheists. I’ve attempted to engage with you in good faith, but you’ve continually failed to seriously engage with my arguments. Your continual support for communism is especially ridiculous. It has never worked, it will never work, and you are unwilling to apply to it the same criticisms that you would apply to movements life fascism in a heartbeat. It is plain that communism is the most evil philosophy ever conceived of. You are obviously both left-wing and religious. Why are you even on this site?
1. I am not a communist. At all. I am fierce anti-communist, always have been. Most atheists are hard-left.
2. “, I illustrate that it is just as valid to assert that god has a beginning as it is to assert that the universe has a beginning”
Scientific consensus is that the universe had a beginning. So how did you reach the conclusion that God also must have a beginning?
3. “Please stop referring me to books. Either make the arguments yourself, or admit you are incapable of advancing rational arguments to support your position.”!
I have no problem providing arguments for my position. However, it is painfully clear that you don’t know what you are talking about. I asked you how many books you have read, and as a typical atheist, you refuse to answer and I guess zero. Not a single book advocating the Christian argument have you bothered to read. Yet you argue as if you have real knowledge about the subject.
4. Again, if you don’t understand the Bible, you can’t make any judgement at all. I asked you about your theological understanding and that I would test you if you claimed to have a good Biblical understanding. Again all I get from you is some very immature and childish pseudo-philosophical statements.
5. I know science and the scientific method. Have you any idea of the statistical probability of these various untested hypothesis for the origin of life on earthy. Even Dawkins could see how insane it was, and floated the idea that life got here from outer space. Hod do you get “organic compounds” from a rock. Tell me.
6. You have no clue what objective morality is. At least read one good about the subject before you continue .
1. You are not communist? But you deny that the violence committed by communist regimes is the fault of their avowed political doctrine, which specifically includes atheism. Do you have some proof that most atheists are hard left by the way?
2. My point here is, if it is logical to state that the universe has a beginning, on the basis that everything has a beginning or origin (which is what you did) then it is also logical to assume that god does. But lets flip it on its head for the sake of argument: why do you think god does not have a beginning?
3. It is irrelevant to the discussion how many books I’ve read. I’ve read many, including the bible. I was forced to read the bible in its entirety. How much i’ve retained is another matter. It now sits in the fiction section where it belongs.
4. Understanding of the bible is not necessary to discuss religion vs atheism. As christianity is no more valid than any other religion, why would an understanding of the bible inform the discussion?
5. Organic compounds have been discovered in space. It isn’t merely a theory advanced by Dr Dawkins, but one of many theories as to the origins of life.
6. ‘Objective morality is the idea that a certain system of ethics or set of moral judgments is not just true according to a person’s subjective opinion, but factually true. Proponents of this theory would argue that a statement like “Murder is wrong” can be as objectively true as “1 + 1 = 2.”‘ You, as a christian, would say that some things are morally wrong because god says they are morally wrong. It is not complicated. But if I can, for example, prove that murder is not always wrong, I am also proving that that principle is wrong and as a consequence, objective morality does not exist.
New point:
7. You demand that science prove, right now, how life was created yet you do not demand god prove, right now how he created life. Double standard? Hypocrisy? Or just stupidity?
You can just forget about your “just stupidity” comments. My IQ is far above Mensa entry level.
Please (further) read some books about the subjects you comment on.
A high IQ doesn’t mean you don’t do or think stupid things. Demanding party a prove his theory, but not demanding party b prove his opposing theory is stupid.
Using logic and the empirical reality alone makes quantum mechanics sound insane. Only after studying the argumentation behind quantum mechanics does it make any sense.
Same with the hidden reality and laws of Christianity. Any child can understand and follow the teaching of Jesus Christ. But to go on a deeper level where atheists are, one has to study the subject, read books and understand the arguments.
You have not done that, neither have your fellow atheists.
I am not an atheist. What is the hidden reality and laws of Christianity? Is it like Narnia?
Any child can go to Sunday school and truly understand the teaching of Jesus Christ.
However, understanding free will, what is free will, why did God give free will, nature of free will, limitations of free will. Evil, why evil, nature of evil etc etc, demands a more thorough study.
You Christian hating agnostics and atheists refuse to do any study and reject everything a priori. Very childish, so in that sense, yes, like Narnia.
I don’t hate christianity at all. It is the best of a bad bunch. And it’s rarely an a priori rejection. Generally, it’s more like “What, a wizard? A wizard did what? How do you know? Faith. Well… What? A zombie jew? That seems far fetched… No? Absolutely true?”.
But if you are really interested in learning about RELIGION rather than christianity, I suggest you read some of the books by Oolon Colluphid, such as ‘Where God Went Wrong’, ‘Some More of God’s Greatest Mistakes’, or ‘Who is this God Person Anyway?’. Or if you really want your mind blown, try ‘Well, That About Wrap’s It Up For God’, by the same author.
OK, Oolon Colluphid is noted. Couldn’t find him on amazon. Is that correct?
That’s right. His work was cited a lot by Douglas Adams, a physicist.
Yeah, he was showing up a lot on the search result.
So it is possible to buy his books (new), and if so, where?
I think he was published by Megadodo Publications. You might try AbeBooks?
OK, thanks 🙂
Ha ha “cube thingy” called the Kaaba and it is what Muslims circle a set number times when they are in Mecca on the Haj. It is the direction every Muslim prays to all over the world.
ya I know what it’s called…it’s still a cube thingy ;^)
A religion is just a big cult.
Christianity is not a religion it is the belief that Jesus Christ is the son of God and the faith that he will come again.
Believing that Catholics have something over the Lutherans, now that’s religion.
My belief that there are billions of stars in our galaxy and billions of galaxies in our universe does not make me a scientist.
Desert of Glass
I agree, But if it were me I think that Friday and throughout the weekend and Next Week would Continue to be a Scorcher as well, 🙂 …
Religion vs Cult. What’s the difference?
ALL religions start out as cults, including the cult of jesus which was blown into a religion by the catholic church. buddhism is another good example.
A religion is a cult that lived on after its founder died.
That’d make you even worse than ISIS, then. At least they’d give you the option of accepting dhimmah, which is objectively more than you’re willing to offer any Muslim.
Worse?
I imagine a world without Islam would be WAY better off.
Ah, so your genocide is righteous, then. Did it ever occur to you that ISIS probably thinks the same of their?
“Ah, so your genocide is righteous, then.”
>Yes, pretty much.
>All the more reason to pop ’em in the oven.
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You are wrong there my friend, not only islam, but the majority of the world and the West at its forefront. To this day, islam has never colonised a country where it wiped out all of its native inhabitants.
The West wiped out the Native Americans, native Canadians, Australians, and most of Latin and Central America and many others. Also the huge expansions of Western empires during the past 200 years proves that the West also ‘seeks to devour everything in its path and will do so unless it is given a good beating every century or so’
The Ottomans are Turks, Roosh is half Turkish, you hate all turks?
The immigrants and extremists you see are uneducated and impoverished, that is why they act in an uncivilised way. In the UK you get non muslim immigrants riding donkeys and shit, robbing people and causing trouble. It’s poverty which does this not religion. Go to your nearest christian African ghetto and you’ll see people behaving in the same way.
The Africans adopted Christianity for special treatment from their European colonial overlords and missionaries. Without them the faith is merely an indigenized cult. The majority of Africa’s Christians are only recognizable in so far as their reverence of Christ, whereas Muslim immigrants to the West of all economic backgrounds are bringing their native faith into an incompatible Western society.
The Ottoman empire controlled many ethnic peoples, all Turks were Ottomans, but not all Ottomans were Turks.
Islam is cancer. It only destroys and consumes.
Violent stumble-fucks choose a religion that allows them to express their violent ignorant nature. These people create the religion. The religion did not create them. Islam is not the disease it is the symptom.
I thought the toughest guys or the most quarelsome guys in london are the irish travelers,gypsys,polish and jamicans?
Or that in uk the toughest and most dangerous cities are in scotland like glasgow and parsley. Like I read somewhere that even though glasglow is smaller then london with like no immigrants they have way more gangs and more crime.
The Irish gypsies are the scum of the earth. I say that as an Ulster Catholic from Belfast. No one wants the inbred pigs.
The poles are A great bunch. Some criminality among their population but when you open up your borders to a former communist country, the first people that you get are the criminal I hate UKIP for their anti European immigration stance. They aren’t the problem. In saying that I still voted for them. Mainly just to tell people I did and start an argument. That’s the type of guy I am.
whats so bad about them?
this is new, always heard it was the poles and russians that were kindaa dangerous in uk
They kidnap small dogs from my local area to train their fighting dogs. This has been happening for decades. If they walk into a bar(usually twenty or so) you know there is going to be major trouble. Targeting the old for scams. We have to live with these people and whenever anyone fights back, bars them for their establishment or even says anything bad about them, it is all over the local papers. They’re considered a separate race which entitles them to special protection and treatment.
There is nothing with the teaching of Jesus Christ that says the we shall kill, rape, torture and smash civilizations, unlike Muhammad and evil Islam.
Christendom was a superior Coulter. Always when a superior culture comes in contact with an inferior culture, the inhabitants in the inferior culture will voluntarily adopt the superior culture. Same way as the conquered subjects of the Roman Empire adopted voluntarily Roman customs, poetry and embraced their laws, technology and infrastructure.
Muslims and Islam however, came from the Arabian peninsula and later Mongolia (Turks) with zero civilizational culture. The only thing Muslims have ever done is to conquer and annihilate great civilizations, like the Egypt, The Byzantine Empire and the Persian Empire, and turn them into third world Islamic hell holes.
Muslims knew that they could never reach the civilizational level of these empires, and with the insane doctrine of the evil warlord muhammad, that everything they had were from the time of ignorance, Jahiliyyah (the time before Islam) and ought to be smashed.
That is why Da’esh smash priceless cultural artifacts belonging to whole human mankind, in the name of Islam.
Christianity does not force, unlike Islam, Jewish culture, customs and language on the adherents. Unlike Islam, where the conquered people not only must give up their religion, gold and daughters, but also their language and culture. That is why the language of the ancient Copts, who build the pyramids, is now dead. If Muslim Arabs heard a person speaking Coptic, he would cut the tongue, as the Copt might have cursed the Arab invader, and their rape and mayhem.
The Islamic golden age is a myth. The mighty Muslim Caliphate, the Ottoman Empire, tried to build a new Mosque that would outshine the Hagia Sophia Cathedral, converted into a Mosque. They could not, and had to settle with a much smaller and less impressive Blue Mosque. So even one thousand years of Islamic golden age, was not enough to even match the architectural and cultural skills of the civilization they conquered and smashed. What a joke.
Roosh is of Armenian decedent. Not Turk. Big difference. His father is Iranian, shiaah I guess.
Islam is a violent religion from hell. A curse on humanity.
The West wiped out the Native Americans, native Canadians, Australians, and most of Latin and Central America and many others. Also the huge expansions of Western empires during the past 200 years proves that the West also ‘seeks to devour everything in its path and will do so unless it is given a good beating every century or so’.
Boo fucking Hoo.
“The immigrants and extremists you see are uneducated and impoverished, that is why they act in an uncivilised way.”
The average Saudi millionaire is quite comparable, in his moral views, to the average Moroccan in the Netherlands, Paki in Britain, Turk in Germany, Algerian in France, and so forth. Therefore, I don’t think this explanation holds much merit.
Roosh is half Armenian, kinda the polar opposite of a Turk.
Yeah, it fucking saddens me seeing our borders finally conquered via anti-social discrimination bullshit. I say it’s high time we took back our borders that our forefathers spilled their blood defending. It’s a fucking insult to their sacrifices what we’ve allowed happen. It’s never too late to defend their honour.
http://scoopempire.com/dont-date-a-successful-arab-woman/#.VV8mxpVvlBs.facebook
https://www.facebook.com/Mipsterz
do we really need too, the western narcissistic hipster(MIpster=muslim hipster) sjw crap is spilling over and corupting them too.
http://rt.com/news/243445-assange-west-islamists-us/
We corrupted their minds like here n the west and we ruin middle east and ukraine through politics and explosives….ya I think we got the upper hand, kinda of a crab in the bucket mindset aint it.
Kind of like War of the Worlds.
We ruined the Middle East? What on earth are you talking about? The West is flooded with millions of third world Islamic immigrants, that hate our culture and civilization. While the oil rich Gulf states are buying political and academic influence all over the Western world with billions of petrodollars, and funding Islamic terrorism directed against the West.
lol.UAE,Qatar,Bahrian and saudi arabia have more migrants then many western nations. The islamic migrants are mainly in europe and canada, but for whatever reason europe is messing up with them. USA and australia get usually latin and asian migrants typically.
Dude we are buying them, the world is westernizing,americanizing and feminiszing year by year.
Like there are guys wearing leather jackets in the middle east, you see african villagers wearing tshirt and shorts, in asia you dont see tradtional dress, many people speak english, eat fast food,we have our bases on their lands, put and supported dictators there, started coups like syria in 49 and iran in 53, love Israel whom dominate our politics not arabia and the wars we brought on them like the first wars we did in persian gulf and afghanistan.
Dont have a short memory look at history it all plays a role instead of buying into the fear mongering, if they hate freedom so much they’d attack mexico since the only laws there are the poorly enforced 10 commandments….And here we have no freedom, we only think we do.
1. You are lying about the migrants. The Arab gulf states have tons of Asian workers that do all the work for them, and treat them like slaves. There have zero rights and will never ever get a citizenship. If they try anything with the local Arab girls, the will be killed with no police investigation. After the job is done they will be kicked out.
The Gulf states, rich with land and money, don’t take any fellow Muslim refugees from Syria, Iraq, Palestine etc, Only a small symbolic group are taken in, while the vast majority is dumped on Europe. All the Gulf states do is crying about European Islamophobia if anyone dare to criticize the evil moon god Allah, his insane and super-evil false pedo-“prophet” Muhammad, or the vile Muslim immigrant ciminals/rapists.
This, all the time the most racist state in the world, Saudi Arabia, receives zero criticism. Jews are not allowed to enter the country at all. Bibels and crosses are confiscated at the border and (literally) shit on and burned/destroyed.
If Kuffar, non-Muslims, enter Makkah or Medinah they will be beheaded. How is that for kuffarophobia?
While Muslims are flooding Europe. We Europeans can not even get a tourist visa to Saudi Arabia, since we are kuffar and not Muslims.
2. Explain to me exactly what we Norwegians did to get hordes of Pakistanis, North- Africans and Arabs to Norway.
Muslims smashed the once great civilizations, Egypt, Byzantine Empire and Persian Empire, and turned them into third world Islamic hell holes long time before any colonialism. Another sick lie from you.
Turkey was never colonized, on the contrary, these Mongolian Muslim rapists exterminated the native Greek, Armenian, Assyrian and Chaldean population, and smashed as much of the Byzantine architecture and culture as they could. Still Turks are now flooding Europe in the millions. How do you explain that.
3. Muslim states have zero industry. The total translation of books in whole Muslim world, is less than Spain. All you ever have is rampant corruption, horrific human rights abuses, a culture of laziness where you traditionally lived as parasites on the Christian indigenous population, where the Muslims raped their women with impunity and collected “protection” money, jizyah. Now,that you have exterminated the population that actually worked hard, you have nothing left but sitting on your asses in the bazaars and chain smoke cigarettes, while you constantly blame the Jews and crusaders for the state of your third world Islamic hell hole.
well it wasnt a lie, never refered to it. what happens witht the migrants is true, but most refugees are in neighboring nations then western nations you can wiki it. But they live in camps along the border.
They been living in europe for decades but you never heard from them since they didnt do dick in fact usually getting jumped themselves. It only became a thing after 911 thats when shit got them all hyped up. We have debates and crtics here too but your europe gets really close to hate speech though find rather strange that you cant question the holocaust there. The pedo thing, you do realize back then people married early since that was the norm. Like princess Isabella of france married an english king when she was 8 800yrs ago. SImilar when europeans colonized the americas…not promoting it but people dropped dead by 40 then….whats there to visit in saudi, even for muslims all they do is Hajj and go home.
2)Dunno why norway picks those migrants since theres no colonial link whatsoever. So im curious to find out.
yes the arabs under islam did take them out but rember the bedoiuns for centrurys were just getting wrecked by local empires. They basically went through the age of empire phase from Sir John Glubb(must read). They were the “pioneers” to beat the ruling power but after beating them then began the “conquest” pahse where they keep the moment going until they stagnate do “commerce” then science and enlightment aka golden age then “decadence and decline”.
That being said they did take over but they had an islamic golden age of science like astrology,cleaning cataracts from the eye with hollow needle,setting up the literature for the Renascence when they got sacked by mongols, and algorithms which is need for our computers for you to get all mad and butthurt about.
there were many great islamic empires after the descendents of mongols, TImur and Babur come to mind. But the colonization ruined middle east politics since it was broken up in strategic line not ethnic line that Lawerence of Arabia wanted(he made a map based on tradional lands and routes per tribe). Like theres no kurdistan or balochistan for example.
Turkey luckly wasnt but their damage was no different then the other colonial powers like russia,uk,france,germany,belguim,portugal,spain,netherlands italy and japan….Hell these guys were far more brutal. The ottomans were considered the “sick empire” for a reason when the brits easily mowed em down.
Why turks are in germany is the same to the norway question, Im curious too. All I got they were guest workers there,but wonder why TUrkey in paricular then elsewhere.
developmen takes time, afghanistan is the bottm tier right now but many are getting rich usually through tourism and exporting of raw goods,which is typical until they fully develop more then youll get services and developed goods being offer. Theres very few right now but ytpically come from the more rich ones like uae qatar bahrain n saudi.
Corruption is typical of any poorer nation like brazil congo india russia, you gotta bribe your way around to make it. But we have corruption here too, its called loop holes,lobbys and law changes that benefit the rich, while theres is just blatent…you cant escape it sadly.
Not really, the jizyah was a 20% tax on goods for non muslims that dont serve in the military since traditionally conscription was a thing for muslims. But jizyah is done away…unless isis. Rape with impunity if they did that those communities would have disappeared like the native americans and aboriginies. You are thinking isis or thugs. People dont wnat heir family doing this to other people.
crusades are long ago and empires have formed, but here is unilateral support for isreal by the usa. Watch the politics its basically a race between left and right on who can kiss their ass first. Israel actually is the largest reciver of foreign aid by americans and they do get benefit of the doubt.
dude if youre gonna go WN propaganda may as well watch David Duke on his pieces. Least he seems rational.
“if they hate freedom so much they’d attack mexico ”
You’re Kidding, right?
None of which disproves the notion that the current state of the Middle East has in any way been caused by Western actions.
Fool. I pointed out that the very opposite is true.
This whole “golden age of islam” thing is bullshit.
Islam – the so called religion of peace – is about conquest, rape and slavery. The only good muslim is one with 3 meter sharpened wooden pole up his ass.
These three men were integral to the defense of Christendom from Muslim invasion. Now Europeans welcome them with open arms.
yeah it’s pretty sad that it took Europeans with blood and sacrifices to secure their defenses and borders back in those days. Here in America we have the exact same problem especially with illegal immigrants crossing the (US)Texas-Mexico border
The Islam in Europe is a tumor that will kill the host from within. It’s members are mostly parasitic and hateful. Now a individual Muslim can be a friendly person, but in the end Hitler and Stalin were friendly persons as well, as long as you visited them for tea and a biscuit. Europe is cursed. In the ’60 the industrialists wanted cheap labor. They got ‘m from Turkey, Morocco and other colonial countries. Those guest workers stayed and brought over whole families. All with the consent of Socialist politicians. Up to this day those don’t want to see the Islam for what it is: a expansionary ideology. The Muslim dictators know they can’t win by force so their preferred weapon is the womb. The tactics of divide and conquer are being preached in a mosque near you. History repeats itself, you only need to see this article to see that is true.
if europe had such a perception of them then why bring em in. they been living there for decades even ceturarys if u count the balkan ones that got sluaghtered 20yrd ago for the most part europe hadnt had a problem with them until 911.before that they were an unknown minority that no one cared about
I can only speak for my own country. In WW2 thousands of Jews were extradited with help of the Dutch government and police. There still is a sense of shame from that. The post war European socialism is Marxist and thus believes all cultures and people are equal. When you combine that with the sense of shame (political correctness) you get the immigration from backwards countries. For decades you couldn’t mention obvious problems without being named a racist, or nazi.
911 sparked the self-consciousness of Muslims in Europe. It led to fear with the non Muslims. Radicals used that to their advantage to implement the agenda of fundamentalism and establish the place of Islam in society. Thousands of women started wearing scarfs, boys started reading Qurans, segregation on schools etc.
Interesting. I think its how they brand these “problems” when words like “invader” or “backwards”(hate this one because feminists always use this to refer to masculine cultures past and present) is thrown around then yes they will say racist. But when they conduct themselves like David Duke then you really cant call him one since he doesnt use those words.
Yes it mustve set off fear in the whites, but so did the muslims. They are the minorities they are more afraid of the natives then other way around hence all of them chest pumping they are doing today and plus they are physically smaller then the typical dutch. Like prior to that you never heard of these guys being dangerous on the news. They were just some lil dudes that you heard got their ass stomped again by the native europeans. And that was the reality then when you talk to them….They likely fear that happening again with the political climate….That plus they could have extreme ptds, if it can mess up well trained soldiers in months time, think what itll do to civilians over years or generations.
Yeah Ive noticed more women (and men)dressing more muslim, then white/american/western, but I think its out of rebellion then actual interest. Like when I was younger they wanted to downplay it and be as western as possible,,they didnt want to dress or act like their grandparents(similar to many western millennials).
But I dont know before I thought that was good, but now with all this western degeneracy we see, Id rather they copy their grandparents and be conservative then the sjw mainstream and be “mipster”. Its like that crisis or hostility just reignited traditional values in some, which I suppose is a start.
The same said about europeans like why import american culture and ditch tradition? Like Id love to visit europe and see locals dress in german lederhosen, dutch wooden shoes, french berrets, etc and be religious then being atheist,piercing, tattoo and wearing american apparel. Europe like the rest of the world just feels like new usa…Its kinda sad
You come from the US? The Moroccan Muslims over here are like Mexicans in the US. They cause a lot of (violent) crimes, live life on welfare. They are not afraid for one bit, they despise us while being figuratively still a guest despite of having a Dutch passport. They don’t speak proper dutch (strange Arabian aggressive sounding slur) There are hundreds of reasons why we hate them. But out government pampers them.
The Dutch are a passive people. We don’t protest, we don’t gather, we don’t like to fight on the street etc. This also encourages Muslims, and especially young boys to commit crimes and profess radical opinions. Who is going to stop them right? Nobody. They’ll try to suppress their urge to start Jihad before their numbers are to a large level. But are probably too unorganized, impatient and stupid to succeed anyway.
Everything is a disaster. Very soon they will have democratic majority in every European nation, together with the hard-left Marxist traitors that truly despise our the culture and tradition of our Western Civilization.
Europe will most likely end up in a civil war. A civilizational civil war that will be the most barbaric war the world has ever seen.
911 woke the western world to the Islamic problem. They always had higher crime rates, poor academic achievements and all that. It dawned on a lot of people that these people bred like rats and they were quickly taking over.
well their feritilyt rates range between 2-5, which is a good normal and healthy rate oppose to what whites and NE asians are doing, below 2.11 replacement value, if anything they are underbreeding.
Woke up? they been bombing and ruling their area for decades if you forget about the colonial bit. Like we had the bosnian genocide 20yrs ago, but that wasnt the wake up? They been in europe for centruarys and whites have a long history with them. In canda in usa the pakistani and persians do quite well academically, dunno how europe is fucking up however.
passive people? isnt the liberals in the country? Live on welfare hows that possible they were brought as guest workers like say badr haris father for example. Wouldnt amek sense to bring foreign welfare recipents. I thought the surinamese were more dangerous along with romani theres.
Dont think its an islam issue, like when I look at crime rate or the video of those rioters or prision rates, I dont see muslim indonesians but its typically moroccans. How are the turks there? Are they similar?
Dude look at our stats your arabs dont compare to out mexicans.
I will gladly join in the defense of Europe against the Muslim Horde.
It will be my pleasure to fight side by side with European Partisans & Patriots against these barbarians within the gates.
I’ll experience sharia infested euro city centers first-hand in a couple of years.
You fucking idiot!!! “Western Civilization” is as dead as disco. Were a Western Man from 1850 to show up today he would not call this insanity normal or even anything remotely resembling Western Civilization, but its antithesis.
You have obviously never lived for a longer period of time in other civilizations. What we have in the West is still the Western Civilization, but greatly damaged by rampant Marxism and hedonistic atheism.
To claim that we suddenly have a profoundly new and unnamed civilization with zero definition, is absurd.
why are Dutch passive? Shouldn’t they fight back? If I was dutch, I would get equally violent if the Muslims start acting physical.
Yes. Islam is not compatible with any European culture. The future of Europe seems very dark (no pun intended). I guess I better hurry and enjoy the travels to Europe before it becomes Eurabia.
There haven’t been any civil wars with Muslims since Bosnia in 1995. The Muslim population there thought they were strong enough to declare Independence. They payed a heavy price for that. Europeans are good ate war. We have two world wars and hundreds of smaller ones as prove of that. All I can say to those colonists is: don’t overflow that bucket, because if you do shit will hit the fan big time. Of course a civil war is going to happen anyway. Before 2040 we’ll have the first one, and it will start in Britain of South France.
you are very dark!, and hispanic can’t even takee over america.
I’m seeing a common trend. about Muslims wanting to invade and conquer Europe here. Perhaps if people paid more attention to history, they would see that trend as well.
Don’t forget about Skanderbeg.
I’m going to state the obvious…….
Looking at the condition of the west today, these guys did a bang up job. What exactly did they save it from? Islam? we all know Islam knows how to control its women (Which is the main issue), regardless if you agree with the religious aspects of not.
Just sayin’
yeah while Islam may have a good components like controlling your wife, it still is not suitable and definitely not compatible with the European cultural assets and any western mindsets. If Islam totally dominated Europe, then all those great inventions from Europe wouldn’t had happened. The West can still control their women without having Islam taking over.
Yet they lost control somehow.
Islam is perfect for ruling a tribe. It fails at anything larger.
If Islam had prevailed back then, we wouldn’t be able to complain on the internet as it probably wouldn’t have ever been invented.
Important victories indeed. If those gentlemen haven’t won, we would be sitting in candlelight and writing with ink and paper instead of profiting from the marvels of the current civilization.
You will probably not even exist or you will be mostly of arab descent with a mixture of european blood due to the harems of european women they will take.
Pity fucking of muslim women is a symbol if generosity, we are enriching their backwards genetic code.
Living it up with my central heating and sewerage system.
Good times.
Men like this are needed no matter how hard Feminism tries to destroy THE VERY REASON we got here and survived as a species.
Its best to just ignore women, blue bill “logic”, and men trapped comfortable in the Matrix.
Continue reading stories about men like this that will help inspire you as not only a man, but as a human tp always reach for Mastery level.
The fundamental core of WHAT IS can not be destroyed no matter what these bat blue donkey shit women and men try to force down our throats.
http://associationofchronos.com/2015/05/23/the-fundamental-core/
Its too bad the west killed itself in the twentieth century. Now we have a parasitic changeling, a kind of anti-west that wears the rags of the old civilization but has none of its virtues.
I’ll be using that one a lot.
Another important battle against the Musloids was the Siege of Belgrade in 1456. John Hunyadi (a Hungarian noble) and John of Capistrano (a Franciscan friar) defeated the forces of Darkness with a ragtag band of soldiers and “crusaders” recruited from nearby villages armed with pitchforks. It delayed Ottoman incursion into Europe long enough for the rest of Europe to get its act together. Fun fact: the Ottomans had their siege cannons built by Western Europeans…
If you are Catholic you may be familiar with the noon bell, Pope Callixtus III ordered it to commemorate the victory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Belgrade_%281456%29
The cannon used to destroy the wall of Constantinople was built by Urban of Hungary.
Some sources say the cannon was built by a Serbian but either would be consistent with the shifting mosaic of late medieval politics in the Balkans.
Either way, it would be a white European, and not an Asian, Turk. Sadly ironic, considering the misery the Turks inflicted on Eastern Europe in the centuries following 1453.
Edit: just googled Urban (Orban) — another irony: he died in 1453. Also, he may have had German ancestry. Continuing sad irony: Vienna, 1683. Thankfully the Turks were defeated there. That was one more time Western Civilization was saved from Asians/Muslims, who would have turned Europe into the Middle East had they won.
Apparently, he died when one of his supercannons exploded. Justice served. Heh.
Hungarians had it coming, they attacked Serbia mere 5 months after battle of Kosovo. Funny how this article doesn’t mention the only battle in which an Ottoman sultan was killed.
Serbians are f awesome bro, and Im Bulgarian again most of my brothers hate your people dont know why
We have been in a few wars in late 19th and first half of 20th century.
Yeah I know still its the fcuking Turks I hate, their insidious culture turned us Balkan brothers againts each other. Also our king marrying a Jewess didnt help the HR.
Well, to be fair, it’s not like we haven’t been in war even before the Ottomans came. Serbian born queen also inherited Bulgarian throne from her husband once. As much as i understood, there was an opportunity of merging two empires once..
Still we should have united at the face of the threat of Islam, its never too late, and the oppurtunity may present itself in the near future.
As things are so far, we will only be united in EU. And then we will have to everything they say. I like the idea of some federation of Serbia, Romania and Bulgaria. That maybe happens after EU collapses. Or we siplly get in some eastern alliance with Russia.
That has been offered to Serbia, but our leadership was too stupid for that.
The big difference between the EU and the Balkans is the Men. We may not have the brightest men, but they are crazy with love and pride for their cultures and will not tolerate some thirld world scum on theur soil for long without killing them. Our testosterone wont let us. I will be up there this summer and will try and asses the current situation of our region. And escape the mutated canadian mosquitos!
Or we trick pc forces of the west to take all the immigrants there.
MIght as well try my friend, might as well try.
I wonder how numerous the Europeans were among the ottoman population. A lot of the civilized, non goat fucking Turks in the major cities wouldn’t look out of place in France or northern Spain. Might the decline of the ottomans have something to do with the decline of the European population and the growth of the devil worshiping goat fuckers?
Its cause the Jannissaries ( Balkan types) fucked the Western European female slaves and the Turkish Women and when they whent elite their skin color separated them from the nasty durkish looking turk peasants.
Before the attack on Madrid during the Spanish civil war, the Nationalist general in charge was asked which of his four columns should make the first move. The answer was “the fifth” – the one already in the city.
I am so glad Charles Martel was mentioned.
I am a political history major (25 years ago), but history is so vast, you never get a handle on it. Moreover, during my student days, I was an extreme leftie and therefore, not interested in the problems I am now interested in as a paleo-conservative libertarian (to simplify things).
What I did not realize was that the west was threatened by Islam as recently as 1683. I had always been interested in the Knights Templar fighting in the 13th century and the crusaders.
So finally, the lefties are abandoning the Christian civilization fought for over 1000 years. I hate our Sodom and Gamorah mangina culture. Part of me says morally bankrupt Western civ deserves to lose.
At least the Immigrants to the USA are mostly of Christian heritage.But Europeans are damn surrender monkeys to invading Islamic immigrants.
Yes, I wish we were not so anti-white male PC in this country. But at least before self-destructing, the gospel was spread to the incoming tribes. Kind of like the Christianized Romans Christianized the Germanic tribes in the days of the early church.
But how can a civilization fight against an enemy, win, and then just open the floodgates.
After acheiving technological superiority and the capacity to completely annihilate Islam, Europe is surrendering to Islam.
Incredible. I guess it is the Sodom and Gamorroh culture like you find in its purest form among the descendenats of former Vikings.
Go back further. The West was threatened by Islam as far back as the 9th century when Muslims sacked Sicily and attacked Rome.
the rapid advance of ISIL at the moment shows what you can do when you have a few tens of thousands who are willing to fight for a cause….you never need to carry the majority, you just require a fearless and committed minority. The advance and victories of ISIl remind me of the rapid Arab Islamic advances of over a thousand years before.
The lesson…this war against Islam will not be won by trying to convince a majority to vote for Islams destruction, but instead will be achieved by a small number who decide enough is enough.
How about the rapid advance of feminists in the west?
Their advance was not rapid but a long march through America’s cultural and educational institutions, the majority of which are in the hands of the left, beginning most saliently with the Frankfurt school, a group of far left German and Jewish academics who were unwelcome in Germany during the Nazi period. They set up shop at Columbia University and trained a generation of social scientists and professors.
Too bad that this time the oligarchy in the west is supporting IS to take us down.Dont kid yourself.The elite must be get rid of first in order to be able to fight against the Takfiri zombie onslaught.IS could have been never so strong without the active and passive help of western intelligence,Turkey,Quatar,Saudi Arabia,Israel.That must change and it will change.That means froming an alliance with Russia also Hezbollah,Iran,Syria.IS is a geopolitical tool to take down not only Europe and its periphery but also Russia and China.We are not alone.They must be smashed or we will end up as slaves.
Yeah because Iran is so much better than ISIS. Get real, they’re two sides of the same coin. If IS is supported by alleged “western oligarchs”, it was likely done to keep Iran and Syria in check and busy, not to overrun the west. The “western oligarchs” would have nothing to gain from an IS invasion of the west, they’d likely have their heads cut off
ISIS is incapable of mounting an invasion of a stable country. It is another proxy war meant to serve the geopolitical interests of Zionists and Saudi oil.
ISIS will never take over Russia or China.
http://rt.com/news/243445-assange-west-islamists-us/
thats what Julien Assange was saying. That these muslim extremists are our creation thats running amuck. Same story with whats happening in ukraine as well
I knew of Martel and Jan Sobieski. Shame Europe is rolling over to the Muslim barbarians now. 50 years at this rate and Europe will be an extension of the Middle East.
Look at the birth data in countries like France and Britain and you’ll see it’s already underway.
So these men didn’t SAVE the West, they only postponed its demise. Well, I call on all the writers and posters to rise up and fight the Muslim hordes! Give your lives and rid the world of evil!
732-1945 is a very good run. Unfortunate that we’re in the mess we’re in now though.
I hear British Muslim women are complete whores. My cousin, also a whore tells me this is so. She tries to get me to come to Manchester and do her paki friends. I’m not into the hairy lip, curry scented, dark skin thing.
Do you really want to save the feminist Kuntz and queer fuks? Stick them up the front….I won’t fight their war…..
Here’s an honorable mention for St. Bernard of Clairvaux with his inspirational words for those embarking on the 2nd Crusade against the Muslims. Can you imagine a Western leader speaking such words today? From Wikipedia:
“A large platform was erected on a hill outside the city. King and monk stood together, representing the combined will of earth and heaven. The enthusiasm of the assembly of Clermont in 1095, when Peter the Hermit and Urban II launched the first crusade, was matched by the holy fervor inspired by Bernard as he cried, “O ye who listen to me! Hasten to appease the anger of heaven, but no longer implore its goodness by vain complaints.
Clothe yourselves in sackcloth, but also cover yourselves with your impenetrable bucklers.
The din of arms, the danger, the labors, the fatigues of war, are the penances that God now imposes upon you. Hasten then to expiate your sins by victories over the Infidels, and let the deliverance of the holy places be the reward of your repentance.” As in the olden scene, the cry “Deus vult! Deus vult!” rolled over the fields, and was echoed by the voice of the orator: “Cursed be he who does not stain his sword with blood.”
The invaders have a lot in common
Aloha snackbars
Aloha FUBAR
with bacon grease & macamadamia nuts!
Pakistani Muslims are selling your white women like snackbars, even. Princess Diana loved our snackbars, you little white loser
Muslim men and Indian men still marry out more than their women, even 5th generation Muslim and Indian men in the UK marry out more, the stats are against you white boy, you will loss
As I was reading this I immediately thought of John of Poland-Lithuania and was not disappointed. Every European should know his name.
LOL. These Turkish fuckers weren’t really Muslim. They were just barbaric, warlike and violent, hairy apes in search for power and wealth. They used Islam to unite their people so they had a common religion and a common goal. Before Islam they were nothing more than primitive tribes fighting with other tribes.
That’s also the reason why the Arabs invented Islam. It’s simply a mixture of different religions and Arab backwardness. The Arabs were the most backward people in that region and were the only one who had no empire. So they invented Islam to unite all the Arab tribes and conquered a lot of land. Of course it failed, because they were too stupid to control such a big empire. It’s the same way Europeans used Christianity to unite different people.
>Turks
>not true Muslims
The Ottoman empire was the sole Muslim great power for centuries and today over 90% of Turkey is Muslim and there are Muslim convert populations scattered throughout the Balkans. Regardless of the circumstances of the first generation’s conversion, their descendants were raised as devout and clerical Muslims.
Interesting conspiracy theory. Got any evidence for the notion that Islam was deliberately invented as an imperialistic ploy?
so legal guest workers n illegals are invaders akin to that of an envading army?come on thats just drowning out the language. like white genocide is race mixing not what happened armena bosnia cambodia rwanda holocaust americas n australiasia or a rape victim is now a rape survivor.
dont get me wrong those are great inspirational men but even the bad guys be it the moors or nazis demonstrate strength courage mastry n honor among their tribe.
Gastarbeiter programs are literally a conspiracy between businesses and governments to bring in cheap labor and undercut native workers. Even without, racial, ethnic, cultural or religious considerations, which I think are all pretty valid in assessing the acceptance immigration, that reason alone should be enough for a majority in a country to oppose such displacement by foreigners. And so obviously, these programs are never put to a vote.
The Huns who sacked Rome were not only invited in, but trained as legionnaires.
got source cant find that, sounds interesting. Didnt know rome had contact with central asia at that time
The Huns were well settled in Europe by that time.
Forgive the Wikipedia quoting, but it’s quick and easy:
“After these invasions, the Huns begin to be noted as Foederati and mercenaries. As early as 380, a group of Huns was given Foederati status and allowed to settle in Pannonia.”
These Huns were not exactly of certain allegiance and fed both intelligence and manpower back into the Hunnic Horde.
Goths were then let in as refuges from the Huns, then used to drive the Huns back out again, their King then made a consul of Rome – who then took over and made Italy a Germanic Kingdom.
A similar process is what made Britain Anglo-Saxon.
The argument that people being invited in don’t constitute an invasion is specious. History is littered with instances of the refugees and mercenaries overthrowing those that invited them.
Thats an interesting piece. i thought the huns just wandered over there. How did the romans contact them since they never had an empire in central asia
When you flood the native female population with birth control pills, feminist propaganda and access to third level education thus lowering the birth rate and then sitting on your hands as millions of people, very often hostile and with an axe to grind, not to mention hopelessly backgrounds flood into your country, force the natives to fund the lifestyles of these baby producing machines then yes it’s a form of genocide. A civilized, slow motion genocide is still genocide.
Demographics is Destiny.
Don’t forget fag “marriage”! Ain’t no kids ever shot outta a fags shithole……
kinda over using genocide, like feminsts over use backward(code for patriarchial) brave hero coward or survivor.
they are only here due to those factors you mentioned in the former. But they only had this “axe to grind” for only about a decade even though they been here for at least 50yrs. The ones that are quarelsomme are typically the young ones born here and being rebellious, not the 40yr old menial job worker taking care of his 4 kids. Those guys barely pay attention to media andd dont even know how to use computer. They just come home eat and then sleep after snooping through their kids shit to make sure they are not following into this western degenrecy thing. In that sense I dont blame em. Hell Id be the same way, I dont want my kids to be like them….scary what the kids of millenials would be like.
I am a pretty open minded guy who investigated various religions. Frankly, Islam impressed me right up to the point where planes flew into buildings. Fuck that you bunch of misanthropes.
Jet fuel cant melt steel beams.
Nope. But a couple hundred tons of flying machine crashing in at a few hundred miles an hour will fuck with the physical integrity of any structure. I was a military engineer for over a decade and I worked with explosives. In my semi-expert opinion, the twin towers were not a controlled demolition. If you want to drop a building you do it from the bottom. The towers fell top down after the plane crash messed up a floor about one third from the top and the floors above it came crashing down.
Were the towers hit by planes plunging vertically into the top of the skyscrapers, because they went down vertically and didn’t collapse sideways. Also, explain the building which went down without being hit! lololololol get real sonny
The floor that was hit was broken. The floors above it fell in on them and that brought the whole place down. You will have to elaborate on the mysterious buildings that fell down all on their own.
I enjoy the Ballistics of Guns so I can Appreciate Mass+Velocity=Ft-lbs. I can Only Imagine the Tremendous Energy Those Towers Received from those Giant Planes at the Speeds they were traveling at.
I’m not gonna get into details because there is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay to much evidence for an inside job.
Good luck with the tinfoil hat my friend. Again, I was trained to work with C4 et al, and there were no signs of that in the video footage.
Basically, a few thousand engineers with decades of experience agree that WTC 7 was an implosion but you, THE GENIOUS” say it wasn’t. Good one dude
Jack Donovan said those three guys were great? Well that seals it then!
How about Jack’s boyfriend. Did he concur?
Ur totes right those guys are ballz. We should all just bend over for the invaders. I wish that was a saying but boy do the camel fuckers like Fucking each other too
Some of it is geography/environment, some of it hereditary, and some of it ‘hypergamy’. Stressed and inbred tribalism, the sheiks got 1000 chicks and everybody else got… the livestock. Or other guys. Yeesh.
Beyond that tho is a spiritual influence that favors such things. And there are no political (or even military) cures for that.
Cheers.
Yeah, I always take Jack’s ‘being a leader in the manosphere’ with a grain of salt. a big grain. Like…the size of my head.
You leave Jack Donovan alone right this minute. Do you hear me?
Sorry, didn’t mean to insult your boyfriend.
Why yes. Yes I do.
Donovan’s one of the guys who stood up to the gynarchy, and I respect that. No qualifiers.
E.g, not long ago a group of folks, loosely allied, freed some kid from Princess’ Prosecution Factory in Mammy Maine, then tossed Ms. Empowered Bitch out on her hateful ass. Guess how that made me feel?
But this jockeying for position and authority in the ‘manosphere’ is silly. All the powers of this planet are against you, from Africa to the Arctic! This is no time to be playing Me and My Group are In Charge, and we’ll make sure you get no traction etc etc ad nauseum. That’s not how men do it.
When I worked in SF during the Eighties, the bars were full of homos wearing macho outfits, bikers and Nazi gear, etc. It’s like see! See! I’m military-oriented, I’m a strong and manly man too! even tho I get boinked in the butt by other men. Instead of trying to artificially compensate for choosing a degraded form of maleness (homosexuality) I wish these guys would just stop doing it, and also stop promoting it as ‘normal’ and part of ‘manly manhood’. Hey we all have inappropriate sexual urges, doesn’t mean we have to act on them.
I hope Donovan puts that part of his life, uh, behind him. :O) The culture is beginning to grok what’s going on here, so the scramble for position and influence is now going full-steam. My Manosphere. MINE! lol too bad, gets in the way of good works.
Cheers.
Degraded form of maleness? I wouldn’t know. Arguably they are even manlier than we are. They both live masculinity and are sexually attracted to it, putting them in a unique position to understand it.
I feel like a black at a kkk rally right now lmao. Took a wrong turn and ended up in this thread.
So you draw attention to yourself by posting?
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3094/2511265432_c62008ce8e.jpg
I think it’s okay to put Vlad the Impaler on the list as well.
He stopped the Turks. As far as I am concerned, Vlad is a hero to the western world.
His night attack is famous. He impaled 20K turks later and with that he made Mehmed retreat.
That’s like a war crime or something.
There was no Geneva Convention at the time. 🙂
The whole idea of “war-crime” is funny since war is pretty much mass murder, rape and destruction. All crimes.
If he had been a Muslim ruler impaling Christians, somehow I think you and 95% of the commentariat here would point to that as proof about his savage and evil Muslims are.
so? I am not. Muslims are not evil, Desert tribesmen are.
ya isnt he the main one
Let’s not turn this into a Buzzfeed-tier listicle. Vlad is cool and edgy and a Western hero but not quite on the tier that the others are. It’s not as if he reversed Ottoman expansion. Ultimately he is a resistance figure and not a great victor. Still worthy of our respect as there are degrees of accolade.
But, but, he’s fucking Dracula!
[edit] Oh, wait, just realised I replied to you, the “Heal the world, make it a better place,” cunt. Oops.
Yes and you’re the “Exterminate the other races even in their own countries to make the world safe for white people,” guy. Maybe you work for the FBI or something and are phishing for mass murderers.
Better to be a mass murderer than a chump who can’t think long term.
If I’m not wrong, I read somewhere that Wallachian and armies from another Romanian principality along with plenty of other Christians from the Balkans made up to 45% of the Ottoman armies which sieged Vienna.
I have never seen any academic source that make that claim.
However, from wiki:
Before the siege of Constantinople, it was known that the Ottomans had the ability to cast medium-sized cannons, but the range of some pieces they were able to field far surpassed the defenders’ expectations. Instrumental to this Ottoman advancement in arms production was a somewhat mysterious figure by the name of Orban (Urban), a Hungarian (though some suggest he was German).[58] One cannon designed by Orban was named “Basilica” and was 27 feet (8.2 m) long, and able to hurl a 600 lb (272 kg) stone ball over a mile (1.6 km)
The master founder initially tried to sell his services to the Byzantines, who were unable to secure the funds needed to hire him. Orban then leftConstantinople and approached Mehmed II, claiming that his weapon could blast ‘the walls of Babylon itself’. Given abundant funds and materials, the Hungarian engineer built the gun within three months at Edirne, from which it was dragged by sixty oxen toConstantinople. In the meantime, Orban also produced other cannons instrumental for the Turkish siege forces.[60]
You mean the horrible story of the Jannisaries, the stolen boys of the Balkans, who were superiour both physically and mentally to turks.
Romanians are gypsies.Full stop.
Ethnic Romanians are not Gypsies, Gypsies are Indian scum.
And Im saying this as a Bulgarian haha
Sand niggers and all 3rd world scum deserve no quarter in the white an’s world. I look forward to Holocaust 2.0.
“Mohammad” was the most popular baby name in Yugoslavia, circa 1989, how’d that “diversity” work out for you?
Two things :
1. Calling Charles Martels army “a rag-tag group of warrior farmers” is a bit inaccurate. Martel had been warring on and off with his neighbours since he consolidated power in 718 and would have had a decent number of veteran soldiers available of the battle of Tours in 732.
2. A VERY important fact about Jean de Valette is his age during the siege. It happens in 1565 and his birth year is given as either 1498 og 1494, which would mean that the youngest estimate for his age during the siege is 67 years old…. A pensioner charging into a breached fortress wall to hold the attackers back……
1. Just like in the battle Thermopylae there were a number of trained soldiers, but the vast majority were not.
2.He was very old and did fight.
http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/twitter-hashtag-supernumberkillallwhitemen-sparks-firestorm/ar-BBkaE0G
unrelated but check it out
check it out, crazy feminist british-indian(no surprise there)woman who tweeted “kill all white men” is getting a backlash
yh yh there was a 15000 strong petition to remove her from the uni and have her degree revoked. To counteract that, there was a 1500 strong petition signed by her mates at Goldsmith. Guess to which one did the uni take into account? you already know.
Anyway there was massive backlash against this idiot throughout the internet and local papers. The “middle class terrorist” as she was nicknamed is so oppressed that she lives in a £500,000 villa in North London.
lol
Could not resist being a visual Devil’s Advocate….so to speak.
(And yeah, all three of those men have always had my respect, Charles and his grandson the most so..)
These paintings are fake. If you look at original and historical paintings of the Turks, you will see that they have predominantly Mongol and Asian features.
There is nothing to admire about these people. It is the paradox of civilization that humans that use their resources to farming, and a civilization with rules of law etc, will always be vulnerable to uncivilized savages, using all their energy and resources on warfare, gaining resources and war booty from peaceful farmers.
I am Norwegian, and Vikings had great respect and admiration for the European civilization (Christendom), and adopted as much as they could. So much that in the end we converted to Christianity.
Not so with the Mongol Muslim Turks that utterly smashed the Byzantine Empire and its civilization, and turned it into yet another Islamic hell hole. As it all were from the time of ignorance, Jahiliyyah, the time before Islam, and ought to be destroyed. Just like Da’esh in Iraq/Syria today.
Even today Turks are fleeing Islamic Turkey in the millions to the West. Turks and Muslims have been a curse on humanity. A disaster for mankind.
“It is the paradox of civilization that humans that use their resources
to farming, and a civilization with rules of law etc, will always be
vulnerable to uncivilized savages, using all their energy and resources
on warfare, gaining resources and war booty from peaceful farmers.”
Cue Akira Kurosawa. The difference between the movie and real life is that in real life, once invited in, the mercenaries generally stick around to be the new lords.
“I am Norwegian, and Vikings had great respect and admiration for the European civilization (Christendom), and adopted as much as they could. So much that in the end we converted to Christianity.”
Change “Norwegian” to “Turk”, and “European” to “Arab/Persian/Islamic”, and “Christianity” to “Islam”, and the statement is as true.
Funny how those supposedly civilization-wrecking mongoloids managed to build a state which, at the height of its power, was far more powerful, prosperous and advanced than its European rivals, powerful enough that 2 out of 3 of the men celebrated by this article are in it specifically for having repulsed invasions by it.
More rubbish from you. Explain the term jahiliyyah and it’s historic consequences.
No, the Ottoman Empire never were able to advance above the Byzantine Empire. Case in point.
Compare Gregorian chants to anything from the Muslim Turks.
Even thousand years after the building of the cathedral Hagia Sophia, the Turks were not able to even match it, but had to build a significant smaller and more pathetic mosque. The blue mosque. How is that for “advancement” ignoramus.
Ah, the Hagia Sophia. Would that be the building which collapsed at least once a century until Sinan the Builder invented earthquake-proofing?
I would like to see your documentation for your claim.
What is more ridiculous, is that you whined about “advancement”, well, even if your lying comment were true, you are in reality supporting my argument and debunking your own.
I see you just how ignore the comparison with the pathetic regression in the Ottoman Empire.
You are a sick and evil person. A fool with an agenda.
I haven’t seen you post any sources in support of your allegations.
You haven’t disputed them. Please do and show your wast stupidity for the whole world to see.
You are a sick and evil moron with a filthy agenda.
Read this:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-05-23/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-us-created-isis-tool-overthrow-syrias-president-assad
And in the end we still won! ;p
But they’re just like us. The man on TV told me so.
I would also add Prince Eugene of Savoy to that list. He is the commander of the Austrian army who relentlessly pushed back the turkish into the balkans in the decades following the siege of Vienna
Vienna 2015…..the walls have been breached…..
So true, Russians absolutely hate it, they see it for what it is.
We had our Norwegian National Day, 17th of May, and one of the speakers in a small Norwegian town, used the celebration to rant on about his rampant homosexuality, feminism and atheism.
He was immediately hailed as a free speech warrior and a national hero, and has been on the front page of all major newspapers for over one week now.
If anyone had dared to mention that our capital, Oslo, will have a Norwegian minority within 10-20 years, the same media would have gone crazy and dragged him trough the mud, before being de facto kicked out off the country.
Pure insanity.
Yeah, hailed as a “Free speech warrior”, it takes a lot of guts and Warrior like attributes to come out in favor of Homosexuality, Feminism and Atheism, when the Politically correct Liberal Left wing Homosexual Feminists and Atheists are running the Media and Country. It Takes a Brave Soul, A True Social Pioneer and Rebel to get up in front of an audience and Repeat the Narrative back to the Listening liberal Media and Left Wing Despots.
I would take atheism out of the equation. You don’t have to believe in some backward jewish fairy-tales in order not to be a negro loving lefty
This was the main subjects of his speech, his own homosexuality, feminism and atheism.
You want me to rewrite reality, not to offend you as an atheist?
We have good atheists in Europe, Pat Condell etc, but it is a fact that multiculturalism and mass immigration totally out of control is pushed by hard-left atheists.
You “claim” to be a Christian and yet claim that there are “good atheists”. WTF? You are a Christian like Antov Lavey is a Buddhist.
In Christianity there is good and evil. All humans have free will, so atheists can use their God given free will to do good acts and good thoughts. No contradiction.
The Clowns have left the Carnival and are now running the Country. The whole world is becoming one Big Circus Act.
Isn’t Roosh a Turk?
I believe he is of Iranian/Armenian descent.
Same middle eastern shit. Turk or armenian-the only thing they know is to open a kebab shop or organize some sort of a racketing business.
If you believe Turks and Armenians are just the same, then you are a complete moron.
While Turks were raping donkeys in Mongolia, with zero culture and civilization, the Armenians were the first country in the world to adopt Christianity. They had an empire, developed their own alphabet and had a distinct civilization.One of the few ancient civilizations that still exist today as a state. As a contrast to, say, the Assyrians.
Don’t be so ignorant, Iranians originate from the same Proto-Indo-European source as you do (Although maybe these days, that’s irrelevant because so much time has passed).
Pravda moi droog! Te prav! Vse hachiki! Choorni zhopa!
I did not know about Jean De Valette nor John III Sobieski. Thanks for the lesson.
Sadly as you point out, the west is throwing itself away by just letting in savages.
I would also add General Joseph Pilsudski for stopping bolcheviks in 1920. Europe was exhausted by WW I and if it wasn’t for him, the French, English and other nations would speak russian by now.
Hmm not sure about that, wasn’t it more of a localised conflict? I presume that you’re talking about the Russo-Polish war 1919-1921…
For the occidental, most of the stuff happening in the East is just local, until it blows up all over Europe and world (remember the French not willing to die for Dantzig, a local conflict between Germany and Poland). For centuries Poland was a bumber between Europe and imperialistic nations such as the Russians, Tartares, Turks. Believe me, it wasn’t local.
Bumper between East and West, yes… but they’re all imperialistic to one degree or another, much like Poland was during the Commonwealth.
Poland is strange, it’s largely Slavic but takes on a lot of Germanic influences socially and politically (which actually isn’t that strange since most of Eastern Germany was largely Slavic in the olden days. Or a mixture of Slavic/Germanic.
Tough position to be in, because the more it leans to “The West”, the more heat it gets from “The East” and vice versa.
Another important battle was Las Navas de Tolosa in Spain, 1212. A coalition of different Christian kingdoms defeated a huge Muslim army, the Almohads (radical Muslims, like ISIS nowadays) that crossed from North Africa to invade the peninsula.
When the defeat for Christians seemed close, the three kings desperately charged against the tent of the Caliph, protected by chained black warriors, so he fled and the army eventually disbanded and was crushed. The remaining Muslim soldiers were thrown out from the impressive Despeñaperros gorges (Despeñaperros in Spanish means “throwing dogs”…don’t need to explain more).
http://www.diarioaragones.com/files.php?file=Noticias/fotos_noticias/800_cabo_d__an____o_d__as_nabas_de_tolosa_articlo_745783776.jpg
was this with El Cid or am i thinking wrong battle?
No, el Cid was 2 centuries earlier.
Yet another man whose adoration by self-proclaimed defenders of Western civilization reveals their historical ignorance. El Cid was an utter mercenary, fighting for little but his own advancement, including decades spent in the service of the Emir of Zaragoza.
A story so fanciful and ignorant of historical reality that it’s almost certainly a mythologization of the events.
That slave soldiers would be kept in chains on the battlefield is a notion easily imagined by Europeans making European assumptions about the nature of slavery, but one that utterly flies in the face of the facts about medieval Islamic slave soldiers. They were by no means unreliable to warrant chaining them together, they were way more reliable than military forces consisting of free men. And if they had been unreliable, that raises the question of why they had been given the job of royal bodyguarding in the first place.
They were not slaves but fanatical Muslims that were chained by their own will in order to never flee and defend the Caliph.
Preposterous. If they were so fanatical, chaining would have just gimped their fighting ability.
The Islamist are our external clear and present danger enemy. If you study the way Rome fell i think we will fall the exact same way. While other country’s litterally hate our guts and wish death upon us and double down on there culture, we as Americans actively fight ours.
The whole existence of Ukrainian (and southern Russian which were ethnic Ukrainians) cossacks was basically one continuous war against the Turks and Tatars (Muslims). For centirues. The modern russians however have infested their cities with muslims, while their clownish dictator is poring gold on the chechen chieftain Kadyrov.
Russia is the only country in the Europe that fight back against the Muslims.
You know perfectly well that without the pressure from the West, Russian would slaughter every Chechen man they could find. Bribing the local Chechen warlord, is their second best option.
Many Ukrainians now support Muslim rebels in Chechnya and Dagestan, as they hate Russians.
This is insane. Russians and Ukrainians are as close in culture and history as Norwegians and Swedes. Without agrarian products from Ukraine, Russia would not exist. Without Russian soldiers protecting the Ukrainian borders against the Ottoman Empire, Ukraine would not exist.
Both Russians and Ukrainians should stop the hate. The real danger is the cultura Marxists now ruling EU, pushing for mass-immigration from predominantly Muslim countries, and multiculturalism (read annihilation of national culture).
You are either joking or misinformed. Or never have been to Russia.Large russian cities are swamped with muslims, islam is official religion in like 30% of Russia and Chechens are considered to be above the law.
Russia is the rest of an empire, where Russians conquered many Muslim minorities. What you are saying is nothing new.
Show me one major Russian politician calling for Muslim mass-immigration to Russia, totally out of control, as in the West.
Show me one Russian law that gives Muslims, Islam and gays special protection and more rights than Russians, as seen in the West.
Explain why the Muslim Tatars freaked out when Russians took command over Crimea, from the Ukrainians.
What is your ethnic background? You sound like you have no clue whatsoever what is going on. When was the last time you were in Russia and/or Ukraine?
Nobody ever is literally calling for “totally out of control” immigration using such words, not even the most staunch pro-multiculturalist, so your question is an utter straw man.
As for Russian laws, well, some constituent regions of the Russian Federation are autonomous republics, usually those inhabited by a national minority. They have the ability to enact locally applicable laws, unlike regular Russian oblasts. Chechnya happens to be such a republic, and has been using that to enact sharia. Something Western Muslims have been allowed to do only in the fantasies of self-proclaimed defenders of Western civilization.
It seems like you are projecting onto Russia a fantasy image of an antithesis of everything you hate about the West, a red pill Putinish polar opposite of the supposedly liberal/progressive/socialist/feminist/multiculturalist West.
I never said they did. Learn the rules behind commas, I inserted my own opinion.
Your rant about Russia is not formed as an argument, just your own misinformed and ignorant opinion stated as facts.
Are shariah enacted de facto or de jure, and to what extent? You don’t say, because you are too stupid to even grasp the difference. Educate yourself, moron.
Much of that “infestation” is due to the fact that the Russian Empire conquered their homelands during the last few centuries. They didn’t come to Russia, Russia came to them.
How outrageous that they are afforded equal citizenship, and are using it to migrate within the country they are citizens of, which they didn’t choose to be born in, nor did their ancestors who were forcibly incorporated into it.
2000 years ago they said the same thing about Christianity. The pagan tribes in Europe fought a lot against this religion. It was totally different than their own religion and culture. Most of them had two options: convert or get killed. The only good thing about Christianity is that it united all the different people in Europe.
Europeans are very much alike with or without religion.Genetics, culture,food,habits are all very very similar throughout the whole Europe. Only an imbecile would not notice it. The 19 century Europe was in many ways more integrated than the modern one.The lunatic dictators of the 20 century and the wars caused by them have done a lot of damage.
No. This is the popular Marxist myth, spread by the local college professor and media. The pagans invaded the Christian Roman Empire and smashed it. As conqueror, they converted to Christianity voluntarily. To claim that they got two options, convert or get killed, is ludicrous.
Most pagans were converted by monks. Sometimes the local chief or king converted and then forced the rest, but this was not done by an outsider, and not by advice of the monks. On the contrary
Only partly the Saxons and fully the Hungarians (descendants of the Huns) were forced to convert to Christianity in main Europe. Christian Europe did farming, established cities, infrastructure and law and order. The Saxons and Huns did only hunting and raiding/sacking Christian villages and towns. Killing monks that approached them. After they were forcefully converted to Christianity, they too picked up farming and become peaceful.
With regards to Poland-Lithuania -it has been overlooked by many historians. For over a century-the largest state in Europe it consisted of modern Poland,parts of Germany,Baltics,Belarus,Ukraine and Western russian principalities (before they were sacked by Barbaric muscovites with the help of their mongol overlords,muscovites later stole the name “Russia”from Ruthenians-modern Ukrainians, and re-branded themselves from Golden Horde into Russia). The state languages were Polish,Latin and Ruthenian (=old Ukrainian), the religion Catholicism.
Laughable. Exactly when did the Russians steal the name Rus, and from whom? Care to give me academic documentation for your claim.
Fact is that Russian farmer boys have bled on the frontline against Muslim Ottoman Empire and the vile Asian hordes in the East and thus protected Europe for centuries. We owe great gratitude to Russia.
Rus came from Swedish Ruser, Vikings. I can find traces of Viking culture in the Russian and Ukrainian culture. I like both Ukraine and Russia, but I must say that Russians are more cultivated.
Your comment is a poor example for Ukrainians, if you are one of them. Your crude language and obscene comments.
Overlooked/suppressed, same thing. That commonwealth got it’s comeuppance as a result of this, much like what will happen with the USA.
What are the major similarities between that Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth and the current United States of America?
To be sensitive & not being offensive to minorities. In French States school The Battle of Tours is removed from History lessons !
You wouldn’t want to be seen as a insensitive wacist. Wouldn’t you ??
I would.
Me, I’d prefer history education to be about how and why things happened and how humanity got to where it is now, rather than nationalistic circle-jerking.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it. George Santayana
You speak as if drawing the correct lessons from history would be a matter of simple historical literacy. Every single ideological hack is convinced that history proves him right, and all the other hacks wrong.
WTF? I’M The Hammer.
Indeed; here, from Ernle Bradford, is an account of the Grand Master, at the age of seventy-one, leading from the front:
[Ottoman troops poured into a breach of Castile’s bastion] A Chaplain of the Order, Brother Guillaume, seeing the Turkish standards waving over Castile rushed to the Grand Master.
“All is lost,” he cried. “We must retreat to St. Angelo.” It was a moment when a flicker of indecision would have spelled ruin. La Valette, who was in his command post in the small square of Birgu, did not hesitate. “…This intrepid old man, placing only a light morion on his head and without waiting to put on even his cuirass, rushed boldly to meet the infidels.” Seizing a pike from a soldier standing nearby, he called on his staff to follow him and led the way towards the bastion of Castille.
Seeing the Grand Master at the head of a small group of Knights running towards the point of danger, the Maltese inhabitants swarmed round to lend help. The waverers and the disheartened, hearing that the Grand Master himself was leading the counter-attack, forgot their moment of fear. “Accompanied by the Knights who were immediately about his person, the Grand Master led so impetuous a charge that the tide was turned.” Up the scarred and still smoking slopes where the mine had breached the wall, La Valette led his band of Knights and townsfolk. A grenade burst alongside him and he was wounded in the leg by splinters. The cry went up, “The Grand Master! The Grand Master is in danger!” From every side Knights and soldiers came rushing to the attack. The Turkish vanguard staggered back and began to yield.
“Withdraw, Sire! Withdraw to a place of safety,” urged one of Valette’s staff. “The enemy are in retreat.”
It was true that the first impetus of the Turkish assault had spent itself. The position, though, was still far from secure. A group of their soldiers occupied the breach. Their pennants still lifted above the bastion. La Valette knew that it was his presence which had put new heart into the garrison. It was no time for him to withdraw. Limping, he went forward up the slope.
“I will not withdraw,” he said to the Knight beside him, “so long as those banners still wave in the wind.”
Knights, soldiers and Maltese from Birgu now surged forward and began to hurl the enemy down into the ditch. Within a few minutes the wall was cleared and the enemy routed. To further protestations from his staff that he should now retire, the Grand Master only replied: “I am seventy-one. And how is it possible for a man of my age to die more gloriously than in the midst of my friends and brothers, in the service of God?” Not until he had seen the whole bastion reoccupied, and the defences re-manned, did La Valette withdraw to have the wound in his leg dressed.
[Ernle Bradford, The Great Siege (Harmondsworth, 1976), pp. 181-82.]
Great article. Many people have no idea about Martel or about the Battle of Vienna and the repeated Muslim invasions of Europe that preceded the crusades. We are told of evil Christians invading the Holy Land, but never of the Islamic hordes that made the Crusades a necessity.
Indeed. The Crusades were very much a defensive reaction to the expansion of Islam.
Revisionist bullshit. If the Crusaders had actually had any intention of defending Europe against Islamic invasion, they would actually have done something to defend against such, or attacked Islamic states that actually posed threats of invasion. Instead, they went for a difficult target of little value apart from the religious significance ascribed to it.
No – the Jerusalem expeditions were a sideshow to the real fights.
The longest, most continually sustained Crusade was the Reconquista – the 781 year struggle to free Spain from Muslim rule. Multiple orders of Crusading Christian monks fought in this struggle.
You’re moving the goalposts. The term “The Crusades” refers to those going to Jerusalem.
And you’re not only moving the goalposts, you’re wrong too. La Reconquista is a nationalistic narrative invented after the events, as is the entire Spanish national identity. The actual, documented, verifiable actions of Spanish Christian rulers don’t support the notion that they had any continuous, centuries-long agenda of Christian conquest of the peninsula. They spent as much time fighting each other as fighting Muslims. And as it happens, so did Islamic feudal states on the peninsula.
Not sure if it was mentioned already, but in regards to sieges such as 17th century Vienna, it’s definitely worth mentioning the 1456 siege of Belgrade. Similar situation, the ever expanding westward Ottoman Empire, continuing their advance after the fall of Constantinople (1453). Read the stories of St. John Capistrano and John Hunyadi, amazing stories and further shows they do not raise men like they used too.
Don Juan in 1570 commanded a hodgepodge Naval fleet of Christians and destroyed the Turkish Navy at the Battle of Lepanto
in 1529 there was a bigger siege of Vienna with an Ottoman Army destined to conqueror Central Europe. They failed there too.
Skanderbeg of Albania slowed down the advance of the Ottoman Army on its way to Italy indirectly. He failed short term but long term the Ottomans got as far as Otranto Italy.
The many sieges of Constantinople by the Arabs, Bulgarians, Seljuks and Ottomans. The Latins did conqueror in 1204 but the Byzantines got it back later. Only in 1453 were the Ottomans successful.
Vlad Dracul III caused Ottoman invaders to wet themselves on their way back from the attempt to conqueror Wallachia. No he isnt immortal, just a total freak and scared the Ottomans shitless.
The Reconquista of Spain and Portugal.
And one non-Islamic example….
The Miracle on the Vistula. Small Polish Army defeats Soviet army trying to conqueror Poland. Going west, how far does the Russian army go?
But one question we should be asking…..seeing all of the crap going on today in the West was it worth it? Do we honor those who sacrificed?
Yeah.. fucking sad that one of the most heroic savior kings of Europe, Vlad Tepes, has been marginalized by history as a bloodthirsty tyrant and recast in pop culture as a spawn of Hell. It’s probably no accident this occured thanks to a 19th Century work of Gothic fiction, a genre which had its roots in early feminist thought.
Realize the greatness of the west while encouraging readers to move the Philippines or Thailand? Uhhh ok…
The West is destroying masculinity while pushing for limitless immigration from various third world cultures that do not devalue men’s martial nature. How do you think that is going to turn out? This time how is it even possible for a Sobieski, De Valette, or Charles the Hammer to emerge? Let me add one more who was omitted El Cid (Rodrigo Diaz). We’re screwed.
I’m not worried ultimately. The nations around Israel are going to get smoked by Israel. One day they will push Israel to the brink of defeat and will get nuked.
Yeah I heard as soon as Jerusalem gets breached that’s the plan. Apparently most of the nukes have got ‘Never again’ written on them.
Regarding the Siege of Vienna.. The defenders had setup tin plates with musket balls on them, which rattled when the enemy sappers were digging close underneath. Then they sent men to dig counter-tunnels.. there was nearly as much fighting going on underground as topside, as miners from both sides duked it out in tiny collapsing crawlspaces with picks, shovels and their bare hands.
The Viennese won 😉
Good overview. Before them, there may have been no west to save if it wasn’t for Leonidas at Thermopylae and the Athenians , thereafter, at Marathon defeating the Persian hordes. Greeks maintained democracy and western civilization in antiquity.
Charles “The Hammer” I like that guy
The anti-Islam stuff is cute. It is completely ginned up by the elites to focus people’s anger on a group of 1 billion people, most of whom are entirely peaceful. But it’s worked. You see how irate people become. The West has constantly meddled in the Middle East, installing dictators like Saddam Hussein, then bombing thousands of civilians to remove him. We supported Jihadists in Syria, until that effort gave rise to ISIL and mayhem in Iraq. More often than not, the terrorist threats coming out of the region were bankrolled by us, and we have the receipts to prove it.
This civilizational divide goes back much further than the questionable actions of modern American elites.
Not in America it does not. Leave “European history” out of the affairs of this country. The wrong kind of people want to tag the actions of a few on the back of a billion people.
Why isn’t Adolf Hitler on this list? He prevented the grasp of Jewish Bolshevism from destroying Western civilization and capitalism.
Funny how, the way some people like the author of this article present history, it’s as if Muslim invaders of the West are always stopped at the very last possible battle where they could have been stopped, but not one battle before. Tours, Malta, Lepanto, Vienna. Regardless of how many victories on the same scale the Islamic invaders had before those, each of these is held up as the battle whose outcome saved the West, and that the opposite outcome would have doomed it to Islamic conquest.
Funny coincidence that, it’s as if some divine providence always kicked in at the last possible moment. Or, alternatively, authors of this kind of pieces don’t know shit. Which is, among other things, exemplified by the masturbation over Vienna 1683 and the significance ascribed to it, which isn’t much under any objective study of history. In 1683, the Ottoman Empire was stagnant, backwards and surpassed by its European rivals. The outcome of the battle was a symptom of its decline, not its cause. The first siege, Vienna 1529, was way more significant, for then, the Ottoman Empire was at the height of its relative power. But nobody knows about Niklas Graf zu Salm, while every little self-proclaimed defender of Western civilization knows about Jan Sobieski and masturbates to pictures of him.
You said four traits but mentioned five.
Thank God for Islam