My Education Was A Complete Waste Of Time

Looking back at my thirteen years in the American public school system and four more years at the University Of Maryland, I have come to the realization that it was an utter waste. Nothing I do today which serves me in work, women, life, or leisure can be traced back to what I was taught in school. I must therefore conclude that being educated in America was the most harmful event in my life.

My parents pushed me hard into attending university. I didn’t question their well-intentioned urgings because I had no idea what else to do. I eventually picked microbiology out of a black hat, which served me for six years after college until quitting for good. On my visit to the States last year, the topic of my education came up in a conversation with my father. I remarked how I would have been better off not going to college.

“But university did help you,” he said. “It taught you how to think.”

I didn’t question his rebuttal at the time, but now I’m certain he was incorrect, because my education didn’t even teach me how to read or write.

I couldn’t read properly until I was about 24 or 25 years old; I simply did not have the ability to properly parse and analyze difficult texts, and my abominable SAT verbal scores, which were below average, could verify that to you. I had trouble understanding basic assigned literature like Catcher In The Rye or The Grapes Of Wrath. My brain didn’t care for understanding the symbolism, motifs, or even the plot.

I also could not write. Well, I could write for the teacher who ordered me to hit a certain word count, but my grades in English classes only proved that I was averagely literate and able to convey someone else’s ideas without introducing too many grammatical errors, but not much more. A 19th century London schoolboy had more writing skill than I did when I was legally allowed to gamble and drink alcohol.

Anything else in school I developed competency on—calculus, physics, biology—was mechanical and based on stenciled learning that any average mind could handle with enough prodding. Either I copied the instructor’s methods for solving a problem or memorized facts and equations as if I was a robot. Up to my graduation, I had not developed one original idea or sentence of writing that is worth exposing to you right now. You can even mention specific classes I took in college and I will be unable to relay one fact I learned from them, in spite of doing well enough on the exams. If I ever write my autobiography upon old age, I can skip the first 22 years of life when it came to my intellectual progress and not lose a speck of importance. My education taught me nothing I couldn’t have achieved on my own with a basic tutor, and if anything, it greatly inhibited my development.

Did the American educational system fail me, or did I possess a sluggish mind that chose not to bloom until gray hairs started appearing on my beard? Maybe a bit of both, but I look at what my younger brothers are studying in school (one is in middle school and the other in college), and I can only shake my head at how ill-prepared they will be for a world that is frightfully changing ever year. For my youngest brother, school is essentially a babysitter that teaches him a week’s worth of the most elementary math and science spread out to nine soul-numbing months under the guidance of a feminist headmaster, while my older brother is more fearful of bad grades and punishment from dad than being an apex achiever in a field that will give him self-sufficiency for life. They’re both screwed, but at least they won’t be alone—their classmates are floating in the same rickety lifeboats as them.

Actually there is one thing I learned in school that I use every week. It is my default approach to seeking truth and understanding this complex Earthly world. It is the scientific method:

scientific method

The scientific method, which I remember learning in the 9th grade, gave me everything I needed to solve problems on my own in all areas of life. The first time I used it outside of a school setting was at 22 years of age when I wanted to improve my sex life. I made the observation that a certain type of man was getting women and so I made hypotheses and changed my behavior to conduct real-life experiments that resulted in abundant fornication.

When my observations on women or relationships could not be understood, I sought the consul of books and other men. My book Bang is essentially a lab report from studying the American female Homo sapiens. This personal enthusiasm for experimentation has stayed with me since then, and I will always seek real-life confirmation of whatever behavior I urge upon myself or others.

But besides the scientific method, it was all for nothing. I say that without exaggeration—not a single lecture, factoid, graph, or equation I’ve learned in school has been marginally useful in my life since graduating 14 years ago. Even when I was employed as a microbiologist, more than 90% of what I used at work was learned through practical on-the-job training. I’m confident that at 15 years of age I could have done the same job as at 25, especially since I was essentially a glorified assembly line worker in the manner at which I conducted experiments handed down to me by my superiors.

What percentage of men in the past completed a formal education? Compare that with today’s perverse obsession to educate everyone using a one-size-fits-all model that jams facts into people’s ears as if force feeding someone on hunger strike. It’s no surprise that the only thing that accomplishes is creating adults who are good at basic trivia but not at solving problems or generating useful ideas. You can not educate thought into someone. You can not create a great thinker or an intellectual out of thin air. Education destroys original thought and muddles great minds, and mainly excels at creating zombies who march in step with all the other automatons after being indoctrinated to respect authority and, lately, Marxist ideas. Education has devolved into social brainwashing happy time for Westerners (and slut training centers for girls) and not much more.

If I have a son, he will receive a classical education from a dedicated tutor at no more than two hours a day. The rest of his time will be spent exploring nature, music, athletics, woodworking, art, and of course, the scientific method. The goal is not to fill his head with information and facts in the hopes that one day it will aid him, but to give him the tools and mental framework to tackle any problem he will face in life while allowing him to develop passions that make it all worth living. My education didn’t do that for me and for many other men, and what a regrettable waste it has been for us.

This article was originally published on Roosh V

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383 thoughts on “My Education Was A Complete Waste Of Time”

  1. i learned basic arithmetic and algebra in school. one specific high school teacher inspired my interest in foreign languages. being on the wrestling team taught me basic self defense and the value of fitness. still, i’d say most of the valuable things i know, i learned on my own.

    1. One of my biggest regrets in high school was not following through on trying out for the wrestling team. I opted for the track & field and the cross country teams instead. Not a bad experience but wrestling would have been better for fitness and martial arts training.

  2. I was, for several years, a professor. After getting the required education and professional credits to get a job at a university (for a white male nearly impossible) I spent 5 years teaching before jumping ship and going corporate. The last few years I knew it was coming, I was just figuring out the logistics.
    I would tell my students the same irrefutable fact every semester. The one thing that school, from primary school through university, is able to teach a person is how to wake up, show up on time, do something you do not want to do, do it in a timely fashion and do it well.
    For what it is worth, any branch of the military could have taught this exact same lesson and they would pay you (though admittedly not much) instead of the other way around.

    1. The one thing that school, from primary school through university, is
      able to teach a person is how to wake up, show up on time, do something
      you do not want to do, do it in a timely fashion and do it well.

      I’m absolutely stealing that and will use it with my kids, heh.

      1. I would change the last part

        do it well

        I learned to do things well through work experience.

      2. Didn’t you just mention earlier how you learn English, typing skills (in your school experience) basic/advanced maths, debate and rhetoric (something I see you use vigorously in all your posts).
        How is that one thing/rote drone work?

        1. Sorry, I’ll try to be clearer; in one post you mention how school teaches you many necessary life skills, yet in this comment you seem to agree with the opposite position. I was wondering why you changed your opinion, unless I’m misinterpreting something.

      3. If the don’t go to university to learn those things, make sure they learn them somehow. Most adults I know who did not graduate college cannot wake up, show up on time or do anything not fun to them in a timely fashion, forget about doing it well. That’s why they
        are so poor, listless, unfocused, undisciplined, lazy and depressed.
        The one’s who were home-schooled and un-schooled (its a movement, look
        it up) even more so.

        1. One of my favorite quotes: Jason, you don’t lie to me. You lie to girls!

        2. Another Back To School clip that backs up this article- real-world entrepreneur schools an ivory tower, no real world experience economics professor:

        3. No matter how you slice it, that movie was pretty damned good. And compared to movies today, it was so hard right wing/libertarian that it would trigger entire theatres full of Millenials into comas.

        4. actually this is so wonderfully accurate….and corporate construction is my career. I must play this clip in the office at least 50 times a year.

        5. Can you name any other right-wing comedies?? Other than the first Ghostbusters(fak oaf EPA) I cannot…
          Mind- blown.

        6. Stripes maybe? Eh, hard to say.
          The Left seems to own “comedy” or what passes for it, except for Libertarian “South Park”. I think Parks and Recreation does a good job of lampooning government, and one of the main protagonists is an openly declared Libertarian (Ron Swanson) who, most of the time, is usually correct and normally is not made out to be a fool (although sometimes he is, but so is everybody on the cast, so that’s fair). My daughter introduced me to that recently, I am watching the series on NetFlix. Kinda funny.
          The Right excels at the action flicks and the historical flicks. Braveheart, The Patriot, Predator, Lord of the Rings, the original Max Max, etc.

        7. Private entrepreneurs who create their own nuclear powered packs without government licenses or approval, who strike up a good business model, and then are attempted to be brought down by a corrupt governor and his toady, whom they insult with wit. End of the day they win, government toady gets slimed, I don’t hear a word about “licensing” again even though they don’t appear to get any, and all ends well in the world.
          And of course, there is the Third Reconciliation of the Last of the Meketrex Supplicants, they chose a new form for him, that of a giant Sloar! Many Shubs and Zulls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of a Sloar that day, I can tell you!

        8. I could be talking outta my ass, but they provided a service, they were ahead of the curve, and the govt shut em down due to violating code X, Y, or Z…how dare you do this w/o our consent? I tend to read too much into movies…

        9. Never heard of it, sorry.
          The first season of Vikings is pretty hard core. The other seasons try to girl it up a bit, but it falls flat. The rest of the show outside of the minor girling up though, is fantastic.

        10. Never saw that one. Seriously, any right wing comedies in the past 30-40 yrs(ever) other than GB and Back to School?
          Merits an article I tell ye…

        11. Ron Swanson is glorious. Whomever researched libertarians actually did a very good job, he doesn’t just spout boilerplate, he seems to have the platform down cold. Plus he’s a carnivore extraordinaire and drinks Scotch like a champ, so you’d think that they’d lampoon him, instead they do a medical on him one episode and he has perfect blood pressure and perfect cholesterol. He also is an open gun owner, which the show does not lampoon, he goes hunting (again, they don’t make fun of that, they instead have some government leftists go with him and they shoot one of their own), and generally everything you’d expect from a good libertarian. He took the government job in order to clog up the system and help make government as inefficient and impotent as possible. It’s a hoot.

        12. Ghostbusters is the classic tale of academics who wind up leaving academia and finding success in the private sector.

        13. Please take this as my official notice of surrender. The Rick Morranis quote about the destroyer coming in one of the pre-determined forms is gold.
          The point out, quite clearly, that city hall bureaucrats indeed have no dicks.

        14. Stripes can go either way. I look at it as more silly and less political which is exactly, in my opinion, what comedy should be.
          The AIrplane movies had no particular agenda…for that matter, and I am seriously dating myself here, Kentucky Fried Movie was hilarious without pushing anything other than schtick down the throat of the audience.

        15. Yeah, Stripes is either way, agreed. It was semi-new when I was in the military, so it was a goto Friday night movie on our new fangled VCR contraptions.

        16. “No matter how you slice it, that movie was pretty damned good”
          I’m going to rent it tonight. Thanks GOJ I forgot what a great movie it was. And also lets not forget Caddyshack “Hey everyone, we’re all going to get laid!”

        17. “schools an ivory tower, no real world experience economics professor”
          Exactly how it is in business schools. Those who “can” actually “do”, those who can’t “teach”.
          Seriously for anyone who wants to learn something in business, do so by speaking to someone in the sector you are interested in.

        18. Airplane II predicted the body scanners. When a crisis was created with the underpants guy to get them into the airports the first thing I thought of was “Airplane II”. But the american public just accepts it not realizing it was the future predicted by a comedy. Sorry can’t find it on line. The women appearing topless on the body scanner gets it scrubbed from video sites.

        19. Idiocracy?
          Fired-Up!, maybe ? (until the end)
          Not sure if there really are any which are entirely “right”, but more that they’re not so blatantly leftist. But then I don’t watch a lot of more modern comedies.

        20. 30 Rock is relatively balanced. I wouldn’t call it “conservative”, but the most right wing character on the show is also portrayed as being the most competent and somewhat of a management savant. They also frequently make fun of the main character’s feminist tendencies.

        21. Last Man Standing with Bruce Willis is essentially a remake of A Fistful of Dollars, which is in turn a remake of Yojimbo.

        22. When I started my business degree at Ryerson all of the professors had extensive business experience and almost none has a PhD. My first year marketing prof had 30 years with Proctor & Gamble. That changed over time as it went from “Ryerson Polytechnic Institute” to “Ryerson Polytechnic University” to “Ryerson University”.

        23. Kingsman is definitely right wing, my son borrowed it from me last night, to watch tonight. He’s getting into the hard right type of flicks, he just finished watching the Batman with Bane in it.

        24. Lord of the Rings had conservative themes.
          Another I would put on the list was the last Rambo movie (the only one I actually liked). The liberal-do-gooder pacifists find out their philosophy doesn’t work out well. Plus, it had some realism as to what a 50 cal round actually does to a human body.

        25. I am revisiting this because I caught part of Falling Down over the weekend. Not sure if you are willing to consider it a comedy, but it is right leaning

      1. That would be “progressive universities”.

        1. Arent all of them “progressive” these days? I was inside of one college recently, and all the walls were plastered with “Gay-Straight Allience” info. When I was growing up I never saw a gay person even once.

        2. It wasn’t a trendy attention stunt for emotionally-damaged nitwits at the time is why.

      2. Too true. Where else do you have to wear uniform and ask permission to go to the bathroom?

      3. That’s actually correct. American education is adopted wholesale from the Prussian model, which was designed to educate peasants to prepare them for careers in either the military or factories.

      4. What do you have against the military. All young men should join. They would learn so much about life since it puts you in do-or-die situation on a regular basis.

        1. That’s great if you make if through with mind and body intact. Not so great if you’re one of the unlucky ones.
          The military is essentially a tool for the elites. They use it to benefit themselves at the expense of countless young men. In some ways the propaganda used to convince young men to sign up is similar to that used by Imams trying to motivate young men to sacrifice themselves as suicide bombers.

        2. The reason you are living in a wealthy and reasonably safe country is because young men have been sacrificing themselves. The day this process stops is the day you can have your head chopped off by ISIS.
          Besides, the Army is a relatively fair system: it teaches you aboutdiscpline and shows how the game is really played: your place in the system is determined by your rank.
          It’s the same in the outside world except thatn nobody tells what your rank is your actual rank.

        3. “The military is essentially a tool for the elites.”
          You believe you haven’t benefited at the expense of other dead men who defended the land you are in? How small of you.

        4. Basic and deployment is the kick a lot of young teens need to mold some discipling when they’re young and have some piss and vinegar in them. If you go in as already red pill convert and knowledgeable, then you’d know where the benefits lie and when to say no. If you go in as a blank slate, you could become too much of a tool and end up disappointed to find the the institution has other agenda than supporting a strong patriarchal nation.
          It’s true though that back before drones, the air force was the best and cheapest way to get top notch pilot training. Private training schooling is expensive.

        5. “you could become too much of a tool and end up disappointed to find the the institution has other agenda than supporting a strong patriarchal nation.”
          Most youngsters who join the military are very street smart. They are well-aware of they are just a tool of the elite.
          These kids join because they have it good in the military: free meals, catering and they make good money.

        6. I’ve benefited at the expense of individual men who spoke truth to power and paid the cost. These men are my heroes. Muhammad Ali is a hero for refusing to serve an oppressive regime.

        7. My father taught me discipline and I determine my rank. I don’t need the government to do this for me. Young men have been sacrificing themselves for the elites not for me. That the military is responsible for our freedom is the biggest lie that the government Imams tell us.

        8. Many ISIS members were actually born and raised in the West. Others can just mingle with the refugee flow. Any other question?

      5. Yeah, I was in the army. My best friend is a corrections officer. Prison may be a better choice.

    2. How much time did you actually have to spend on the job? At the university level, most of my professors taught 2 one hour classes that met 3 days a week. So that’s 6 hours in a 40 hour work week. I know it takes a lot of effort out of the classroom, but it always seemed like a pretty good gig to me. Unfortunately the subject’s I wanted to teach like history paid peanuts and stuff like finance paid $100k a year, so I eventually dropped that idea. Getting summers off (to travel the world) sounded great. But none of the mentors I talked to seemed to like the working conditions. What was your experience?

      1. My experience was similar…only I worked at 3 universities and 2 community colleges while keeping a part time office job to make a living. Eventually, through a series of promotions at the office job, they eventually offered me a higher level position that would require much more of my time and energy. I thought to myself about how I hated the other faculty, the students, the administration and was making zero money and jumped ship. In retrospect it was the right decision, but it was a difficult one to make because I was basically writing “BALLS” on a college diploma and 3 graduate degrees that I had worked hard and sunk myself into debt for.

    3. I knew it all along, that’s why I’ve always arrived late at school & meetings. In my society it is said that ,,punctuality is a fine judge of character ” – be that as it may, I simply don’t respect robots with no free thought- no insult intended to the disciplined guys out there, but the most punctual people i’ve ever met are either slave drivers or good modern slaves. Nothing in between.

      1. I can see your point, but think there is more to it than you give credit for.
        Being able to be punctual and preform despite not wanting to doesn’t mean that that is what you will do for the rest of your life. Having that skill is valuable and marketable and gives you a higher value.
        I am not only never late, but am always early. I am one of those annoying guys who considers being 10 minutes early “on time.” I don’t have the patience for people who think that they can play by their own rules. If they wanted to play by their own rules they can go work for themselves, when working for me they play by mine. If they show they can do that well they will find a bright future. I think one of the largest problems facing western society, it’s men especially, is that they do not want to slog through the hard times and pay their dues. They all graduate college or walk into the workforce wondering why everyone isn’t treating them as the amazing and special fella that their grandmothers told them they were.
        If you are starting your career out expect to get your ass kicked and kicked hard for very little money while playing by someone else’s rules. I wouldn’t recommend doing it for life, but try to remember that until you cut your teeth you are still a nobody and can be replaced with 100 other people.
        Once people understand you are someone who can follow then you will get the chance to lead.
        My two cents.

        1. Apparently you haven’t been properly trained in how to deal with Millenials. Watch, and learn.

        2. Fortunately, the NYC construction business, especially when you work on the side of the developer, doesn’t allow this kind of shit. We are a little behind in the times which, in my humble opinion, puts us light years ahead of everyone else.

        3. Thank you. School is part of the paying dues process that one has to get used to in life. I will admit that at times college and law school seemed like a waste of time. However, once I became a successful professional with my own practice I fully understood that those are just stepping stones for greater times to come. Even the beginning of the career is tough but it is all part of developing into a man. Nothing is going to handed to you that easily. In a perfect world, we could all start training for our professions with practical and academic training starting at age 15 but the reality is that most of us do not have the maturity to truly be fully responsible until we get into our 20s. This is just reality.

        4. and then end up getting kicked in the teeth anyway… Your right men don’t want to slog through the hard times, my problem was I slogged and it never paid off. The ONLY way to roll in this putrid state of affairs we live in today is to be your own boss (or be so invaluable there is NO POSSIBLE WAY that a harder working Indian can do the job cheaper). I heard that a lot growing up, never gave it much thought but it’s the truth. It seems corporations today will always replace someone regardless of “value” if it means more profit, or worse you end up getting replaced by a quota hire or the CEo’s dickhead kid. Lol.

        5. Yes master !
          I came late to meetings and classes held by ( get this ) people I did not respect. Punctuality among many others, is a luxury I give only to the deserving. I do know people that are worth the 110% but they’re rare; to those I dedicate all I can give; but to the others, well, the ones out there helping corporations by being a goody corporate slave ( in the detriment of everyone else ), I salute them with my middle finger.
          I encourage discipline, and I encourage giving it all, a man must train hard to have an easy battle, but above that I encourage not sabotaging your fellow, be it co-worker, colleague etc.
          Exception making the ones that have already been discovered as saboteurs.
          I have yet to meet a corporate manager worthy of the word honor.
          To you corporate guys out there cheers!…. and the middle finger !

        6. Only because, unfortunately, it’s rather accurate.

    4. On the other hand, if you don’t get the highest education you’re totally fucked these days. No job, no money, no glory, no woman, no nothing for you.
      Well paid blue collar jobs are hard to get and, escpecially in Europe, not even available. We don’t have a lot of oil fields and crab fishing going on here 😉 The rest of the “low education” jobs is poorly paid.
      Founding a business would be nice too but without a cutting edge idea you better don’t take the risk and rather go to university.

      1. Blue collar jobs are in demand here, at least in Ohio. They are desperate for anybody to come work for them who is not an illegal, but can’t find anybody under the age of 40. Millenials by and large absolutely have zero clue about how to use tools or fix things, I’ve been told (a buddy of mine is a manager for a construction company). Home Depot did a demographic survey not too long ago and have found that their main demographics age has shifted over the years, and now the average person visiting is somebody aged 35 or older. Didn’t used to be this way. So yeah, if you can do a trade you can write your ticket nowadays, again, at least here.

        1. Most of my DIY skills were self taught, minus the basics to car maintenance my father taught me. There’s so much stuff that can be fixed or done if approached with a critical mind and some common sense. For everything else, there’s YouTube. It’s hard for me to consider a guy (at least around my parts, YMMV in an area with less access to vehicles) a man if he doesn’t know how to change the oil in his car and replace the brake pads…doesn’t mean you HAVE to do it, but by golly, at least know how!

        2. One thing I’m looking to improve upon is DIY-ing everything.
          Not going to lie, as a kid I always looked forward to going to Blockbuster or Futureshop. Nowadays, I look forward to hitting up Home Depot.

        3. Location is a huge part it seems. I used to be a mechanic, though I worked at a warranty call center for most of it, and there were many stories about people getting jobs somewhere then getting dropped soon after. One guy said that’s why tool boxes have wheels. I still think that sounds depressing as hell. However, if I did move somewhere that has a lot of cars where people commute to the city with all the stop and go traffic like Houston I probably could have found and kept a job easily.

        4. Same here. There’s always something to get haha.

        5. I didn’t care to learn at first, but I’m really happy my father taught me how to rebuild carburetors. From Briggs & Straton singles to Rochester quadrajets. That knowledge has helped me gain some nice tax free supplemental income.

        6. Sounds like dealership blues. Unless your dispatcher is feeding you cake jobs you can’t get ahead on flat rate.

    5. The whole process is called ‘drill’. The draconian rules, waking up to a buzzer. Red light says stop, green is go. Running like a rat down your perscribed route, through hallways. More rat buzzer bells. Elementary schools have little ‘footstep’ stickers or lines painted on hall floors to train kids to walk straight and goose step. Rules. Rules. Hall pass required to go potty during hall curfew. ”papers please”. Your hall pass is your visa. You learn to forge excuses to survive. You drink the force fed pink slime state propaganda. And the only freedom to flex is the school sponsored witch hunt to find the terrorists who post free thinking dissenting messages on the bathroom walls. Whoever it is must be QUICK with the mere 5 min between rat buzzer bells for sure!!
      Ask yourself. – – can you remember ANY public school teacher ever asking the class. ”Who are the two most important people in your life?” and did the teech ever answer the class with ”Your blood parents are the most important, and your father, the patriarch ultimately makes your world go round”?
      Hell no. They prime kids TO SNITCH on their folks. To RAT OUT their own blood clan. The state has become rotten to the core. The schools have perfected the science of crowd control and operating an instutition whose main goal is herding masses through courses of conditioning and propaganda drill.
      Any meat of my own puplic education sxperience I gained by independent study, reading a $10 text book on my own. The bulk of school expendature goes to the complex and to operating the program of social conditioning. But the important useful info is independently learned. It’s good to be ‘self taught’. YOU are your own best teacher.

      1. “YOU are your own best teacher.”
        That’s totally ridiculous. You need structure and discipline to learn.

        1. I would disagree with that.
          You need structure and discipline to learn IF you don’t want to learn.
          I have learned a huge deal just by reading, and anyone who wants to learn can easily learn by himself without the need for the school system.

        2. Any class that follows a simple textbook during the semester can be aced by reading through the textbook beforehand and quizzing yourself with the bubble questions. A weekend or peaceful study ‘newspaper time’ or even the time you spend on the crapper reading before the course semester begins can be enough to enable you to relax in the class and focus on the hotties that don’t ‘get it’. But you ‘get it’. heh

    6. “The one thing that school, from primary school through university, is
      able to teach a person is how to wake up, show up on time, do something
      you do not want to do, do it in a timely fashion and do it well.”
      And kids are still screwing it up. At least with the military they force you to do it and if you don’t they’ll make you wish you had.
      If that’s the only thing college is good for then joining the military will do all that and at least make you more manly.

      1. Not sure about more manly…I think that is something that comes from within — however, the suggestion that the military is a viable alternative to college has my full support.

        1. Most guys I knew in college who had prior military service had the rights skills to tackle college efficiently and make the most out of the those 4 years.
          Sure, the military doesn’t guarantee that everyone who comes out is a barreled-chested freedom fighter but compared to the rest of the student population, those dudes were solid.

    7. “After getting the required education and professional credits to get a job at a university (for a white male nearly impossible)”
      Is it as bad for jewish guys?

      1. yes
        At least my experience teaches me that if you are a half black half native american who had gender reassignment from male to female and is currently a female lesbian who may or may not identify as a male you are immediately given tenure. If you have white skin, a dick and enjoy pussy you better have a nobel prize in your bag.
        Your mileage may vary

        1. “If you have white skin, a dick and enjoy pussy you better have a nobel prize in your bag.”
          well there you go, a strategic mistake many men make. But does university really teach you to get up on time? I used to skip 9am lectures. Maybe you can’t do that if you’re doing the teaching though.

    8. Companies prefer to hire graduates with a degree rather than someone our of high school despite virtually all entry level positions not requiring any sort of skills or knowledge beyond grade 12.
      Your point is well taken about what you are actually learning, and companies want something to indicate you are not a complete muppet.
      in Canada, particularly in the big cities, a military background isn’t well respected. It might help you get a construction job or something similar but white collar HR types don’t sem to give a shit.

      1. True. Though it depends on your job. A NYC Local 3 electrician making 80 dollars an hour with benefits and retirement package and overtime etc isn’t obtainable with a degree, but some time in the military will help.
        On the other scale, getting a STEM degree on a GI bill after serving in, say, Army corps of engineers, is a huge boon.
        Of course, as you noticed, my comment was more about what one learns verses the value as a key to a door per say.

        1. There are job skills and job knowledge, and then there are life skills and life knowledge. Trades and highly technical jobs tend to be the minority of jobs these days but the majority of good jobs with a straight forward paths to pursue.

    9. “The one thing that school, from primary school through university, is
      able to teach a person is how to wake up, show up on time, do something
      you do not want to do, do it in a timely fashion and do it well.” And these are PRECISELY the things that most adults I know who did not graduate college cannot do and why they are so poor, listless, unfocused, undisciplined, lazy and depressed. The one’s who were home-schooled and un-schooled (its a movement, look it up) even more so.

      1. not sure about un-schooled. I will have to look it up when I am in a better mood. As it is, I am about to explode. As soon as, however, I hear that someone was “home schooled” I instantly think “retard with moron parents”

    10. Reminds me of a form of discipline at my high school. It was called a “Huxley”. Rather than write “I will not chew gum” or the like one of the teachers had students in the penalty box write out the quote:
      “Perhaps the most valuable result of all education is the ability to make yourself do the thing you have to do, when it ought to be done, whether you like it or not; it is the first lesson that ought to be learned; and however early a man’s training begins, it is probably the last lesson that he learns thoroughly.”

  3. Some fair points, but I wonder how much of this has to do with the school(s) you attended, in the regions that you lived?
    I’ve learned many things from school that I’ve carried with me throughout my life.
    – English: Correct writing forms, grammar, expanded vocabulary from reading assignments, creativity in writing.
    – Basic math: Everybody uses this I think. Addition, subtraction, multiplication and division. Even blue collar types use this daily. Unless your parents taught you all of this, you’d have to credit this to school I’d think.
    – Advanced math: I’m in a high tech field, abstract variable driven math is absolutely required in my daily work.
    – Typing: Learned to type in high school on an old IBM Selectric. The value of this in the internet age has been tremendous, especially now that nobody is learning how to type in schools any longer. I can throw out a wall of text at 95wpm in a matter of a few minutes where you’re average hunt-n-peck Millenial can only get out a sentence or two in the same time.
    – Debate and Rhetoric: Definitely got this from school, and have utilized it often.
    So, eh, all is not lost with the education system. My kids seem to be doing pretty good with upper tier math (son is studying Mechanical Engineering in college, for example), although I do lament how little is taught any longer when it comes to proper writing, spelling and basic punctuation.
    As to college, eh, mostly useless except to “prove” that you can jump through hoops.

    1. A large portion of my dad’s side of the family was/is in education. From administration and counselors down to teachers…
      I too can say that many things I learned in high school in my day have greatly benefited me.
      That being said, as my generation (“generation y”) is now beginning to take more and more positions in school districts, the learning environment is slowly deteriorating. There is less common sense, less respect to people who have earned tenure and have experience, and an overall warped set of values. The administration in the high school district in my home town has effectively forced a majority of the good people out so they could be replaced by “pawns”. The replacements (mostly generation y) are the type of people who will toe the line, even if the authority is corrupt.

    2. I also am glad with what I have learned in the university. Not everything of that I use in my everyday life, nevertheless it has broadened my horizons.
      It’s not about what university gives you, it’s about what you take from it. It’s not about things you learned being useless, it’s about bringing them into use.

    3. i forgot about typing. definitely need to add that to the list of useful things i learned in high school. very practical in real life, and later on when i learned russian (mostly self taught) i was able to use the techniques i got in school for learning to type in english to learn to type in the russian alphabet too.

    4. I think most of this is driven by the person. The maths I was taught at school did not prepare me for higher order subjects. I needed to get an additional tutor to get through. Reading and writing I learned though constant reading at home. There are many others who had the same classes as me but did terrible in these areas.

      1. I’m only speaking of high school, for the most part.
        We had pretty good math courses in my high school. I arrived at college ready to jump into calculus. Reading, yes, reading at home helped, but the suggested reading lists at my high school also gave me some insights and shaped some of my ideals that I have even today.
        Among my reading list/authors in high school, that I can remember:
        The Fountainhead (our school participated in the national essay contest on this)
        Animal Farm
        Watership Down
        The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress
        Starship Troopers
        Ovid – Metamorphosis
        Wealth of Nations – Adam Smith
        Joseph Conrad
        EDIT: Shakespeare (ugh) and Chaucer (yay!), forgot about them.
        I don’t recall a single far leftist author or book actually. Rural school, 1980’s, so apparently the infection of Leftism hadn’t reached us when I was still attending high school.

        1. Currently starting Fountainhead, but just finished Animal Farm and 1984.
          Did you read Atlas Shrugged? I’d recommend it to your list as well. Albeit Galt’s Speech could have been read instead of the entire novel haha.

        2. Oh yes, read Atlas Shrugged, we even have the hard bound edition in my house. Also read most of her non-fiction works.

        3. “we the living” is great too. one of my ukrainian coworkers read it and said that it was pretty much exactly the same as what her grandfather told her about life in the early USSR under lenin and stalin.

        4. No Orwell for me in HS; no Huxley either. I had to read Naked Lunch senior year, pretty fuct up, no?

        5. Looks like you had a much better reading list than I. I just read whatever I could get my hands on at the local library (remember them?).

        6. “we the living” reads much more like a conventional novel, in that the characters seem more human. i’m not knocking atlas shrugged, but each character is pretty obviously a vehicle to express a philosophical viewpoint first, and a real, believable person a far distant second at best.
          the same ukrainian coworker read atlas shrugged and commented that it was basically the story of an alternate-reality early 20th century USA that degenerates into a soviet-style society. i thought that was a very apt summary.

    5. Yeah, I forgot typing. That may be the single most useful skill I learned in school, because I can type probably 80 WPM. With everything going online, that turned out to be a huge leverage to efficiency.
      I did enjoy the final lecture one of my professors gave in college. Basically he said you are all used to living on less than $10k a year. Your next year your income will double or more. Remember that you can live on very little. Postpone car purchases. Keep your expenses low. Don’t take on too much debt. Of course I knew all this from my dad, but I didn’t think about the income doubling part and realize how I was getting by on so little at the time, yet I didn’t really want for anything.

    6. It seems my school was really shitty.
      I could read and calculate before attending school.
      No one ever taught me typing or rhetoric in school.
      After seven years of “studying” English in school (not my native language) I couldn’t form a single, grammatically correct sentence. I didn’t know the difference between “could”, “would” and “should”. But then I got an Internet connection at home. Now I’m doing fair enough.
      The only, and I repeat, only useful thing I ever learned for the twelve years spent in school is how to setup my router. And the advanced math I learned in the university, but that’s another story.

    7. I’m a licensed mechanical engineer myself working in Silicon Valley. Not a bad career track. However, I tell other up and commers that software and automation engineers can make 2x what I make right out of college. Crazy demand right now. In 10 yrs? Who knows

  4. My Literature major was good for one thing: I earned the grades I needed to get into professional-track grad school, which HAS directly impacted and improved my life.
    That’s my advice when picking a major: go professional track. Unless there’s a job waiting on the other end of your college education, you’re wasting money.
    And don’t get me started on loans. College loans are insanely predatory. Loaning 200 grand to an undeclared major, who has no plan for earning money and paying it back? WTF? Let’s see how that would play if you asked a banker for a $200 grand loan:
    Borrower: I’d like a loan to start a business, please.
    Banker: Ok, what kind of business?
    Borrower: I’m not sure yet. I’ll figure that out as I go.
    Banker: Ooooookaaaaaaay… how do you plan to pay us back?
    Borrower: Meh, I’ll figure that out later too.
    Banker: Go fuck yourself.

    1. Great advice. I’d also say that the “do what makes you happy” can be really misleading if you don’t know what it pays. I know a very young, bright and rather pretty girl, 23 years old, fresh out of college, with a degree that was to help her get into being a veterinary assistant. She went through college and finished the degree without once, not once, knowing the pay scale in that field. She just knew that she really, really wanted to work in a Vet’s office. Turns out that particular career pays jack shit and she makes more money tending bars than she could ever make helping Fido and Fluffy. All that time and money, right down the drain, needlessly since all she had to do was investigate her chosen field before she decided to major in it.

      1. Agreed. In addition to envisioning the pay you will be getting, also envision the work you will be doing

    2. Someone told me grad school loans do not have deferred interest- is that true? 60k for an MBA and the interest starts accruing immediately?

  5. Definitely a lot of filler in school. Not a complete waste. Plus it’s wise to know about the mistakes & failings of the past so you don’t waste your time toiling down a path that’s already been traveled.
    I recently read an article from a high school student that instead of going to school he chose to home school himself for a year then take state tests for aptitude. His appetite for learning increased tremendously but after the year was over he appreciated curated plans by teachers because it helped focus energy on paths untraveled instead of a bunch of dead ends.
    At any rate, I remember becoming aware. Walking down the street one day, I said, “I know how to learn now…how valuable is that? Hmm…how valuable is that!”

  6. High school and college also used to serve a purpose to men unrelated to “education”, and that was meeting and locking down a wholesome sweetheart. Just anecdotally speaking, almost every one of my family members met their spouse in college, including my parents, and are still together today. (Our family is essentially divorce free).
    However, women are now taught via feminism and “progressive” thought that they should not even consider serious relationships in high school, and college has become a cock carousel “you go girl” playground.

    1. We used to say that women who went to college were going to obtain their MRS degree.

    2. I have met so many “independent” women who got degrees in liberal studies, sociology, psychology, english, etc, who live way beyond their salaries (elementary school teachers with a Mercedes). It’s all bullshit, they still depend on men to finance their lavish materialistic lifestyle.
      If I have a daughter I will only support her education if she attends a strict christian college (homosexuality is against the rules, strict no partying, etc), and encourage her to lock down a husband.

  7. That is because the system is based on a presumption
    that you can teach “intelligence”
    Intelligence is just a genetic trait you either have it or you don’t, memorizing a bunch of factoids just makes you good at memorizing a bunch of factoids but does not create more actual intelligence
    what the system produces is “repeaters” people just smart enough to pass the tests and dumb enough to think it makes them smart
    true education that is authentic means learning about your own curiosity, suddenly, your memory is on steroids, and your focus is sharp, when the subject is “authentic to your own curiosity” when learning is forced… Its low quality

    1. Not sure I agree with your last paragraph. Very few people are authentically curious about math and want to learn it. If we went on the Rousseau method that you advocate there would only be 1% of the population who could add 1+1. Some things in life you learn that you may not like are still valuable and of high quality. Life isn’t all good feelz and rainbows.

  8. I agree completely. But Roosh, at least it got you a job in the field right? My diploma is completely useless as it can’t even get me a retail job.
    Honestly, it wouldn’t be an exaggeration to say that had I spent the 8 years I wasted in high school and university in jail instead working out, reading books, and writing, I would be a better man than I am now (minus the criminal record).

    1. I probably learned more in prison in my field of study than the previous 5 years in college. I was in for involvement in a crime from my younger, dumber days that finally caught up with me. I spent every day (all day) reading books over and over and contemplating different scenarios and viewpoints. It wasn’t an easy environment, but one with less distractions. When I got out, I finished my senior year in college with a 4.0.
      Of course, a criminal history is not taken lightly by *most* employers, even if you’ve proven your worth. But that’s a separate issue.

    2. “Honestly, it wouldn’t be an exaggeration to say that had I spent the 8 years I wasted in high school and university in jail instead working out, reading books, and writing, I would be a better man than I am now (minus the criminal record).”
      And, judging by how women select their men now, you’d most likely be swimming in a lot more pussy!

  9. If you intend to be self employed, traditional schooling is unneeded for success. If you intend to be a worker in the corporate world, you need the credentials to open doors. Corps use credentials as the first wave filter against hiring lazy and incompetent.

    1. Basic math/maybe advanced math
      Writing skills
      These are all needed for being self employed. You’d probably want to go to school to learn them (or be home schooled).

      1. home schooling is my plan for my kids. not just to avoid marxist-feminist indoctrination, but also because it just seems vastly more efficient. a cousin of mine and his wife home school their kids and they say the hard working ones get a whole school day done in 2.5 hours or so.

        1. It only makes sense when you think about it. The reason normal schooling takes so long is because you got the loser kids who screw around the entire class which wastes everyone’s time. A math class shouldn’t really take any longer than about 15 minutes for explanation/lecture, then about another 15-20 minutes for application. Kids do some homework, ask any questions the following day, ba-da-bing ba-da-boom, next!

    2. “Corps use credentials as the first wave filter against hiring lazy and incompetent.”
      That’s a pretty lousy filter then. The corporate world is rife with the lazy and the incompetent.

  10. This is why I home school my children. One of my top priorities for them is to learn *how to learn*, and to make that a lifelong and self driven process.

    1. My wife and I are planning on homeschooling our 3 girls. No nonsensical social crap. On top of learning the basics (reading, writing, math, science, etc) they’re going to learn to cook, garden, manage a budget, and other homemaking skills that are so often neglected.

      1. Those are the things we’ve taught our daughter as well.
        I wonder how many families are starting to do this now? The dearth of female skills is noted not just here, but outside of the manosphere a lot these days. Hopefully we’ll see a new generation of women who bring more to relationships than their Certificate Of Vagina Ownership.

        1. The old fashioned ways of the traditional family and roles worked for hundreds of years, and we’re already seeing the damaging effects of when we change them.

        1. My daughter pre-screens potential boyfriends. If they have no muscle tone, or are weak and insecure, or are feminists, or they have never shot a firearm, they are immediately invisible to her.
          This is great, however it does mean that the few dudes who make it to my door are generally no-nonsense types who can see through dad games pretty easy. As a tonic for this, I always ensure that they get a tour of my gun safe. You know, because “common interest” aka “Look at what I can kill you with”, heh.

        2. I’ve already told my wife and a few friends that when my girls start dating I’m going to (coincidentally) have some friends over cleaning guns, sharpening knives, etc. As the guy enters the room I’m going to act like I am in the middle of a story, “And then I smashed the guys face into the pavement. That’s when the cops finally took me down, but I did what I said I was going to do. That motherfucker swallowed his words and his teeth… oh hi, honey! Is this your date?”

        3. Lead by example mostly, plus we’ve had plenty of “conversations” that seem innocent enough but are me gently guiding her towards certain ideas – what makes a man a man, feminism is silly, etc over the course of her life.
          I’m 6’3″ and lift weights, have a rather deep slow voice, good posture, don’t over-talk like most modern men, etc. Girls generally take the father as the first cue on what to look for in potential mates almost instinctually, for better or worse. It was easy to see that she was going this path when she was quite young; when going to the zoo she only liked the bigger, scary, hulking types of animals and eschewed things like prairie dogs, she only like really big “scary” dogs, etc. It also helps if you too are in good shape and retain a strong masculine frame, because her friends will nearly always “pre-select” you without realizing it, which helps her solidify her ideas on male attractiveness. Her friends all say that I’m “scary” and “dangerous looking”, because I’m so tall and in good shape. Despite saying this whenever I say “hello” to them they light up with smiles and bright eyes and answer immediately with a lot of cheer in their voice, you can nearly see them melting in front of you. No, not going pervy pedo here, just saying that at 14-16 or so the “dat’s a man!” thing kicks in, and when they react to me like that it sends the correct signals to my daughter about her own preferences. If that makes sense.

        4. My daughter pre-screens potential boyfriends. If they have no muscle tone, or are weak and insecure, or are feminists, or they have never shot a firearm, they are immediately invisible to her.

          I tip my hat to your objectively impeccable method of raising your daughter. I intend on doing the same thing when I get to that point in my life.

        5. That’s actually a good idea, now that you mention it.

        6. I second Unabashed’s comment! I enjoy your commentary as much as I enjoy the original RoK articles.

        7. “As a tonic for this, I always ensure that they get a tour of my gun safe. You know, because “common interest” aka “Look at what I can kill you with”, heh.”

        8. Boy takes cues of what to expect from a woman from their mothers.
          My mother went to an all girl Catholic school and was a virgin when she married at 19.
          Imagine what it was like being raised by that and then having to go out into the world dealing with this cunt-o-rama.
          “appalled” is the word.

        9. Damnit, GOJ, you’re too modest – that legendary gunsafe is worth marrying Broomhilda for, and you know it.

        1. You don’t put your kids in a basement and not allow them out of the house when you home school.

        2. Introduce them to other familes who have home schooled their kids? Meet other people around the neighbourhood?

  11. I think the goal of education should be to teach people how to use their brains and how to write, read and calculate and to prepare them for their future professions,
    if it was for me I would teach people professions from the first day they enter school.
    in the morning they would study theory (writing, reading and some basic maths like calculation) and in the afternoon they would study technology like how to build a car and mechanics and aeronotics and other interesting stuff like how to build a watch and the exam would be building that car or laptop or Watch or tv for real,
    every year the dificulty increases untill they reach a plane or something like that
    and some of them would study medecine from first grade till they become doctors.
    of course that education will be made simple for their small fresh brains,
    that way we will have a world full of smart practically inteligent not theory inteligent

  12. I truly believe now that college was a waste of time. In this late age in the industrial era and the empire(USA) I would not recommend getting in a bunch of debt to learn a bunch of esoteric crap that’s never helped me. There is not a single function I do now that I could not have done when I was 18. The only reason I keep my job is that it’s so relatively challenge-less and stress free it’s like walking in, sitting for 8 hours, collecting a check, then going on with my life. I hope in the future to work on my own business, I have a couple of ideas.
    I certainly don’t believe college is for everybody, a mantra that’s been used to put kids who either:
    a) Are not academic and do not belong there
    b) Make kids who hate college(or blue-pilled academic settings) go there
    By my senior year of college I was grinding my teeth at how fucking boring and pointless it all was. At least I was able to pay off the debt quickly, I’m never spending one more minute in a college classroom. The people were great but the academic setting was so tedious and repetitive, an exercise in how hard you can go through the motions, and suck-up to liberal blue-pilled professors and “empowered”/”Intelligent” female professors. I only had one business professor that was redpilled and to be fair he had more balls than all the other male teachers I ever had combined. Spoke what was on his mind all the time, the only class I genuinely wanted to show up for and listen to.
    If you want to be an entrepreneur I would move away from the college environment. It will only be a waste of your time and money, with a high-dose of estrogen-laden bluepills as well. I believe we should have a system where people can choose to go into a trade or do something else at the age of 16. This would free up a massive amount of resources currently being wasted on an army of pointless bureaucrats and administrators. The college industry is rotten to the core and needs to be shut down and shaken to it’s very center before it get’s any better.

  13. Unfortunately, if you want a white collar job (and now it looks like any kind of significant retail job), you have to get a degree.

  14. From the years I went to school/college/university, I just keep respect for science teachers. On the other hand, literature,languages (french,english) and especially history/geography teachers were just some letfist/sjw/women who tried to indoctrinated us to their way of thinking. Funny fact, even as a child I challenged their way of thinking by asking questions.. and i was ridiculized by others for doing so. Those motherfuckers.
    Math and science teachers just did math and science, they just did their jobs.. And most of them were men.

      1. Mine was a math teacher who scared all the students. Can’t remember how many times we were having harsh “words”. But He was the first kind of alpha/red pill guy who stand on his ground (against others, administration etc.) and inspired me much. It was 20 years ago !

  15. This makes me glad I never listened to the people pressuring me to go into debt for a worthless degree

  16. “being educated in America was the most harmful event in my life”
    Cannot agree more. I would stretch it out beyond university. Everything after grade school was completely useless. In effect, I see it as my whole childhood being stolen. I came out of public school suffering from chronic anxiety and depression. I’m still working through this stuff ten years later.
    Not to mention the fact that most of the state workers in charge of education are insane or bored with their lives. I had to “unlearn” my hatred of reading books.
    I was educated in France by the way. Even worse, the system is designed to crush you under too much work and massive anxiety to squeeze out the 1% of autistic math geniuses. The rest can die. Don’t think this is just an American problem.
    If I ever have children, they will be educated the way the elites of humanity have always educated their children: by their families.

    1. I agree that formal education is placed on a pedestal that it doesn’t seem to deserve. Look no further than most people typing on the internet. It’s all incoherent nonsense (sites like this excluded); grammatical/spelling errors, run-on sentences, faulty logic, the list goes on. What’s even more deplorable is the system wants to start the kids ever younger. Let the kids be kids! They could easily teach the kids everything they need to know in half the time if they eliminated all the worthless bullshit courses. I remember my junior and senior years in high school were filled with bullshit electives because I had already completed 99% of my required studies. Wish I could have taken my one or 2 required classes and left school early.

      1. you make a good point about the commenters on this site. you rarely see anyone who seems semi-literate or worse commenting on ROK, whereas its the norm on most other sites.

        1. They don’t tend to last long when they do appear. If you want scary intelligent levels of commentary, head over to, another red pill site.
          I guess most of us have had our fill of trying to comment on other sites where you are a signal level of 1 compared to a noise level of 1000.

        2. Yeah, he showed up for that thread, never saw him before or on any other thread. He’ll be gone soon enough.
          He was really not doing his side of the discussion any favors, that much is certain.

    2. The hatred of reading, self learning etc is a deliberate part of american schooling. It’s by design. It makes children hate learning. Because when people start learning on their own they can “sit around the kitchen table and figure out how they are being fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago” (quoting Carlin there).

  17. I often say that I have succeeded in spite of going to school.
    Not only is school generally a waste of time it is now becoming a new form or slavery. Some students have debts so large they will never be able to pay them off. And of school Federal loans cannot be discharged in bankruptcy proceedings.
    The purpose of school is indoctrination. That’s why the government is so keen for you to go.

    1. do you have the same student loan debt problem in the UK that we do in the US? somehow i thought that was just an american problem.

      1. No we don’t but we’re doing our best to create one. The US leads and the UK follows.
        I was actually speaking with regard to some of my friends. I think its criminal what the US Govt is doing to young adults in the States.

        1. agreed. i’ve been telling people for years that higher academics in the US is mainly a network of criminal organizations. there’s a great documentary on it, that would be preaching to the choir for you, but here’s the link if anyone else wants to check it out:

  18. My degree in Engineering is what has enabled me to have a great career. Staying a bachelor and my education has allowed me to travel the world and get paid at the same time.
    I’ve never had a problem getting a well paying job, good or bad economy. This article makes some good points but I would not shy away from education. Be smart, colleges offer good degrees and junk degrees. If chemistry is your passion, go for it. If it is carpentry, go for that.
    Remember, the feminist goal of college rape hysteria is to scare men away from education.

    1. So you have a “bachelors” degree?
      I put professional certifications above academic where work is concerned.

      1. In my line of work, certifications are king.

        1. Hey Ghost. What is your profession. I am looking to go to school for Computer Science, but I am weak in math. Have any literature that can send me on the straight and narrow?

        2. Depends, what do you want to do with computers. CS is pretty generic, are you shooting for management, or coding, or networking, or what?

    2. I would second this. I too have an engineering degree, also have a professional license. It’s done nothing but open doors for me and brought new challenges and opportunity I would never have expected.

  19. That last paragraph was fantastic. Speaking from my own experience something in the back of my mind always knew most education was a farce even before taking the red pill. I can think of maybe two classes that actually taught me anything other than that is simply to parrot back to the professors what they want to hear get the passing grade and get out.

  20. I hated every single second of formalized education. From how the “cool” kids who were good at nonsense like basketball or came from privileged families were lauded to the way history is taught (or NOT taught, I should say!) to the utter lack of philosophy, ethics, or finance taught to young kids to give them a head start when thrown to the sharks once they reach adulthood to, yes, the pussification of leftist indoctrination above all others!
    There is no experience like life, men. Be self-made and get your dues paid!

    1. They do a horrible job at prepping kids for the real world. They need mandatory classes on finance and economics for sure. And just basic life skills like how to navigate loans, mortgages, insurance, etc…

      1. And tell more about history and how and why we got where we are today instead of “Greeks beat Persians, we came and killed Indians, we brought slaves, freed the slaves, Civil War happened, World Wars happened, Korea and Vietnam happened, Martin Luther King Jr. happened… END OF LINE”.

  21. Very interesting points Roosh. I’ll go back a bits in the hopes that my thoughts come through coherent. As a child a large wealth of my schooling was at home. This doesn’t discount schooling as I went to school, but multiplication and math, I learned ahead of my school and at home. Writing tools came mostly from newspapers and encyclopedias I read as a child. My writing really didn’t improve until I was forced to either get good grades or pay for school, and I wasn’t paying for school.
    How I learned to improve was by studying the paper of some unknown A student and getting what they did and imitated it. Suddenly, I got nothing but A’s when before my papers depended on a friendship with the teacher. Imagine that? A natural love of writing and not a teacher to instill any assistance that counted until I was well in my twenties and forced to do it myself. In a few ways, the teachers were like most corporate bosses, there to monitor and “guide” but more to play favorites and fail than teach.
    My dilemma is currently I wish to return for the sciences as I don’t see a path in without a degree. I have the textbook and am doing some self studying but I dread heading back for 6 more years of schooling considering I already have a BA.
    On the topic at hand, looking back on it I was leaps ahead of my fellow classmates in regards to potential yet was taught on a yearly basis to reach for what they did. And yeah, I wonder at times what my trajectory would have been had I gone to one of those Science High Schools in NY. If there is one thing school teaches well it is that society operates on a system and maintain an edge you must step out of the system to get what is best for you.

  22. Roosh,
    Would you give a pass to St. John’s College? Didn’t go there, but lived next to the Santa Fe campus for a while, hung out and talked to the students, and although nerdy, they seemed to be truly intellectual, and interested in the world around them and you can’t really knock the great books tradition for a meaningful old school liberal arts education.
    I know there is a campus in Maryland, so maybe you are familiar with it. Is there still a place for traditional academics? Not for the many, but for the few who really have a passion and and interest?
    I wish I had known about it when I was twenty.
    I mean look at that freaking reading list:

    1. Wow, less than 10 students per faculty member too. And tiny school size. Yeah, that looks like a pretty amazing university. And with enrolling less than 1,000 students over 2 campuses, it goes along with the idea that college should only be for the top 10% or so. College was never meant for everyone. Unlike my state school who is increasing enrollment every year by 10%, and will soon have more out of state students than local ones.

      1. Yeah.
        Not much room for gender studies when your only reading is books by dead white males.

  23. One thing my engineering education taught me was to learn by reading books. Don’t expect teachers to teach you.
    Everything we know in science could be thrown out and replaced once we discover something that disproves our current model. Science as we know hasn’t been disproven so we accept it as fact. But always be open to reject what we know.

  24. Standing Ovation for you Roosh. Same education system here in Argentina. I feel completely identified with your thoughts.

  25. The scientific method was indeed one of the few important things taught. Yeah I use a little geometry a couple of times a year (9th grade). And perhaps I picked up something from being forced to read all those books in English class. But it was mostly a waste. Ever notice how one is never taught LOGIC in school? I remember the first time I came across rules of logic I was like why the fuck don’t I know this?!??? Now I did learn some things in debate class in high school, such as how to analyze texts and form well reasoned arguments. But most kids are never exposed to this.
    For anyone with children, Roosh has the right idea. Look into “unschooling” which is basically educating your child with a classical liberal mindset but allowing him to study (or play or do) the things he is interested in, instead of segmenting his day into 7 “periods” of equal exposure to stuff he could care less about. I have an acquaintance who did this with his son, and he was applying to college at age 14 (the kid was a genius, I’m not sure if this was a good or bad idea).
    When I finished grad school, my uncle asked me about it. I said it was nothing I couldn’t have learned on my own in the library in 6 weeks. This was not an exaggeration.

    1. Enjoyed the link.
      It somewhat reminded me of a George Carlin “rant” (good stuff) where he talked about the fact that many parents nowadays are trying to micromanage absolutely every aspect of a child’s life.
      His joke was along the lines of: “What ever happened to just letting the kid go out in the back yard and play with a fucking stick! Huh!? That’s right, dig around with a fucking stick and get his hands dirty!”
      I remember digging around with a stick. It led me to ask my father if it was possible to dig all the way through earth. This led to learning about the earth’s crust and other elementary scientific facts.

      1. I remember when I was in primary school me and the rest of the kids would just dig in the dirt during recess. Everyone dug and a kid was chosen to get water from the drinking fountain to loosen up the dirt.
        It’s boy stuff; what’s wrong with letting boys do boy stuff? I don’t parents these days.

      2. Yup, there are probably better sources out there for learning about unschooling than Wikipedia, but just know it is out there and it is a growing trend. Kind of like expanding home schooling beyond the inbred loner religious nut crowd.
        Yeah that’s a great Carlin bit. I also like the one where he talks about swimming in the disgusting Hudson River as a child gave him immunity to most of these bullshit diseases where now kids can drop dead over seeing a peanut.
        Carlin was an absolute master. The philosopher of our time. He is sorely missed.

  26. There are limits with education. It’s how you use it to your advantage. Some jobs require degrees. Every kid should make an advance decision on what they want to do in the future and work towards that goal. The problem with education is not deciding on a major until too late. Without a degree, you won’t be hired into microbiology. Companies are unlikely to trust a high school graduate with such a responsibility. Degrees are credentials. They are the first step to a career. Nonetheless, that is no guarantee of long term employment. A young person should enter a college and quickly graduate. Young minds can accomplish a lot. If you wait until 30, you might not ever return. Circumstances are stacked against you.
    “My education didn’t do that for me and for many other men, and what a regrettable waste it has been for us.”
    We should all pare our expectations of education. But still, this doesn’t mean no one should get a college education. Nor does it mean everyone should get one too.

  27. Whole heatedly agree with this article. Today kids aren’t even graduating high school literate and universities are not preparing students for the economic reality that exists outside of their little progressive left bubble. Thankfully my parents recognized school’s disinterest in teaching kids to be literate critical thinkers and home schooled me. I received a classical education that also included useful things like woodworking with hand tools. All of the cabinetry in my house growing up my dad built, beautiful solid oak kitchen cabinets in particular always left people who visited interested. Kids should work with their hands and be nurtured to appreciate fine craftsmanship and the value of skilled labor. Instead I find a lot of my peers look down on tradesmen and craftsmen, often asking me why I would ever enjoy woodworking by hand when I could just buy something at IKEA. We need to take back our school system and inject it with the Protestant Work Ethic. I can’t imagine getting shitfaced at the club every weekend being nearly as satisfying as building something with my own two hands over the weekend.

  28. I hate to disagree with Roosh, but it’s only educated people who ever say their education was a waste of time. I have been out of school for 20 years and I am still learning and reading and writing. Like Roosh, I wonder why I didn’t read the books I am reading now instead of reading them in High School/College. But I know my education, and the experiences I had in school shaped me in ways that I do not know what I would be like if I didn’t go to school.

    1. Those who didn’t get beyond some arbitrary point see the lack of the diploma as a barrier to advancement because that’s how society uses education. Those who have the diploma may see the time lost and the damage done to them from K-12 and in some cases beyond.

  29. One thing I’ve learnt is that all the Arts Degrees are useless. Almost everyone I knew who majored in “Communication, Women, Gender” studies ended up working in Starbucks or a call-center.
    Today Academia is great at churning out resentful SJWs. I have great respect for those in Trades occupations though.

  30. 2 maters degrees here, one bachelors degree, 2 associates degrees and numerous IT certifications; largely worthless. I should have spent my young adulthood, getting bangs, learning game and learning a skilled trade. The biggest problem with education is that it trains young people to be compliant worker bees/slaves toward achieving other mens’ dreams. Most jobbie-jobs, even the “better ones” requiring the most formal education, ultimately involve the same routine, more or less, and involve application of rote tasks in ad finitum. Entrepeneurship should be the hallmark of post-secondary education in particular, with the emphasis of young men controlling their own destiny.

  31. I think the worst part about the education system is that they try to teach kids never to interrupt an adult and to never ask questions. In order to quell natural curiosity, a person needs to ask questions. The greatest thinkers of their times always had the hardest time being allowed to ask a question. The rest of the world doesn’t want to answer said questions because it be too difficult to explain. Not to mention, it creates a big social problem if you can’t control somebody because they’re giving the idea of thinking for yourself by asking said question. So the education system of the United States makes an attempt to stop any questioning that may ever take place.
    They don’t want people to be intelligent. They want a bunch of stupid workers who paid way too much on an education you can get on the internet for whatever your monthly fee for Internet is. Seriously, we are here to be stupid and hand out boat loads of money. Why the hell else would they make student loans unforgivable under bankruptcy and not dissolvable at death?

  32. Roosh, the feeling you’ve transmitted while writing the article, resonates with a fucking lot of us. How many of us feel cheated by education ? Fuck this shit ! I want the time of skill sets to come back. I want to learn Tailoring or Auto Mecanics. Everything else can be learned at home in front of a laptop, paper and pens. This is how you create a fucking matrix. We should take notes on how the elites developed the Matrix and how they continue to support it.
    Former Conan the Barbarian – Johny.
    Peace !

  33. STEM or bust when it comes to college.
    I agree that primary school is a waste of 13 years. An American 18 year old has zero applicable skills upon graduating HS while in Asia they’re teaching Calculus, advanced Chemistry, and business economics to 12 year olds.
    The instructor for my Thermodynamics course was Japanese and he would yell at anyone who got less than an A in his course because as engineering students, we were learning what was considered 6th grade level science in his country.
    Dumbing down of Education is one of many factors why we’ve lost our lead over the world.

    1. Agreed. I got a Bachelor’s in Healthcare Management and a MBA. Largely worthless as I currently don’t even work in the health field. I was caught in a Catch 22 where I wasn’t qualified for some jobs because I had no experience and was overqualified for the others because of my education. Finally landed an internship that gave me enough experience to get a full time job.

      1. You might as well end up working with Medecins Sans Frontieres in some Middle East hellhole. At least there you get real on the job training.

        1. Well I got a good steady job now and some side hustles. My story is really a word of warning for those coming up behind me thinking having some nice pretty diplomas will be a magic bullet. Experience is king in the real world kiddos. And be sure to have some side hustles in addition to your main job.

        2. I don’t have kids, but if I did, my best advice would be “Dont have a dream. Have dreams. Plural.” Also, good advice on the hustles. Anything from cutting yards on the weekend to collecting scrap metal, to volunteering .

        3. I do recall the one girl who worked with Medecins Sans Frontieres that died while kidnapped by ISIS. Also, the female medic that died during the Nepal earthquake. If there’s women worthy of my respect, it’s those two.

        4. If working for “Medecins Sans Frontieres”, I’d gladly strap a bomb to my chest as a preventative measure to ensure I take out as many of those ISIS fucks as I can.

        5. Learned that the hard way. If you don’t have a high-demand degree or one from the Ivy League schools, then no one cares where you went to college. It’s about what you’ve done and who you know.
          Agree on hustling as well. If you’re not hustling, you’re not doing enough.

    2. Oh the wonders of Thermodynamics….
      I noticed that as a Chemistry major there also seemed to be an overall lack of passion in the department when it came to most of the other students.
      Now I can understand sitting in a high school classroom and being unmotivated, or even being unmotivated to complete the B.S. “general ed’s”. But when you choose to major in a certain field, pay your money and give your time, you’d think that there would be a sense of passion and enthusiasm in the air. It seemed as though many of the other chemistry majors just did what they had to do to “get by”. Couple that with fact that as you said, we’re dumbing down education, and it’s no wonder why we’re falling behind.

  34. I went to school during Soviet and post Soviet times. And one thing I remember there was a lot of pressure to perform well. Teachers also were ruthless with their shaming tactics. You were shamed in front of all of the class.
    After that going through a college in N. America seemed like a breeze.

    1. i taught english at a public high school in the former USSR for a few years. i definitely remember the shaming other teachers would do. my students loved my touchy feely american approach to things. that, and the fact that i let them chew gum and eat candy in class. heh.

  35. Roosh, thanks for ruining my college dreams asshole…trolling of course. But seriously, I do want to go back to school, but I do want practical education, like woodworking, electrician training, etc. not some philosophy class. Frankly, if you want to learn philosophy, go out and observe things and people, even if your observations are wrong.

  36. What we need is emphasize technical and vocational training more. When you reach 16, that should be taught to you at least half a day. Also, make it where it gets you credit towards either an engineering degree or a certification.

  37. Many of the people I went to school with in engineering school were autodidacts.
    That being said, we had resources and access to things you probably were not going to get on your own. For example we had a working nuclear reactor that the Nuclear engineering guys got to play with.
    We also had networking opportunities that you would be less likely to get on your own. From Roosh’s explanation he was a lab monkey/tech role so yeah you wouldn’t really need your formal education for day to day stuff.

  38. I tell college students or ones recently graduated that their degree is really not worth as much as they think or were decieved to believe by the councilors. It is just a way for employers to know that you have the fortitude to achieve something long term and not give up. An employer does not know you and is taking on great risk hiring you. This degree is the only marker they have to gauge you by.

    1. I’d also add in that the best thing they can do is get a job or internship in a relevant field while they’re at college. That way they can come out of college with a degree AND experience on their resume. Most college students work as a server or retail which offers nothing to a resume.

  39. You’ll have to get laid before you have children. Seems unlikely for the author or any of the putzes who have posted below.

    1. You could have contributed something of value, even if you disagree with the site and the posters here, yet instead you chose to waste not just your time, but ours, to snark.

      1. Why is it that every time a “modern enlightened feminist SJW” wants to insult men, there is always an attempt to rate their proficiency (or lack thereof) at “banging?”

        1. It’s boilerplate. They think they’re being original of course. So original that we’ve compiled their normal insults into a list.

        2. You would have actually had to “bang” someone for you to have demonstrated enough proficiency for me to rate you.

        3. Your enthusiasm for voyeurism concerning my avatar’s sexual escapades is disheartening.
          If you keep going you might even hurt my feels and then where will your karma be?

        4. There would have to be some sexual escapades, or at least some involving another person, for it to count as voyeurism. Sorry about your feels (sic)!

        5. He’s just trolling in order to get attention. Nothing but ad hominem, feigned superiority and sneering.

        6. “I’m so sorry that you’re going through this. I understand how you feel. My ex deleted me from facebook and then came the pictures. Those damn pictures. Its like having those precious memories thrown into a
          But don’t think that karma is out to get you. You have to go through pain to really appreciate the happiness after. Happiness
          will come for you. I know it. When that karma comes around you’ll know it too. I’m rooting for you. Hang in there.
          “Everything will be alright in the end. If its not alright, its not the end.”
          – Signed gmac (Gil).
          Seems like one in need of some red-pill wisdom.

    2. Oh and don’t forget, we all have small penises can’t get laid to save our lives, and live in Mommy’s basement while jerking off to porn all day. Come on, toss out all the predictable classics. Don’t you dare let us down!

        1. That’s unfair! You know we can’t type our lisps.
          Bi-the-bi sugar-plum-bum didn’t you mean to say:
          “queerly closet homosexuals?”

        2. It’s already there on the master list, it’s a well worn ad hominem from these types.

        3. Oh? So you’re a qualified psychoanalyst or hold a degree in psychiatry and are thus qualified to make such calls based off of a bit of banter on a Disqus thread? Tell us, sir, what your credentials are.

        4. An ability to read is all that is required to determine that inhabitants of the “manosphere” are a remarkably ill-adjusted group.

        5. Incorrect. You made a positive claim that many here are homosexual. What basis do you base that on that has any actual authority, outside of your plain disgust with opinions that you do not agree with? What you’re doing is very similar to what the Soviets did when they encountered people who held opinions opposite of the Approved Political Orthodoxy, namely, labeled them as deficient and mentally ill in order to de-humanize and belittle them.
          If you could put aside the sneer and snarl, and take a bit more time to read the articles on this and other manosphere sites with an impartial eye, you might find that we’re not the enemy you think we are. I float that to you as an intellectual challenge.

        6. Yep, clearly. Nice to know we’ve known each other for so long! How’s the family? Work good? Did you end up buying that yacht you wanted?
          Sounds an equal amount of ridiculous, doesn’t it?

        7. So based on all that… we like choking on human dick and tearing apart dude’s anuses? What color in the sky in your universe, bro?

        8. Yep, caught! Everything’s simply so “obvious” to you based on wild conjecture and emotional belligerence. What a swell guy you are!

  40. I went to college two decades ago during the end of the first era of PC. You could still get something out of it back then and it was expensive but still worth the price. I learned a lot form the PC holdouts and old school professors that refused to give in. I even joined a modest student resistance that fought some the the PC cowards. Just from that alone I learned how to conduct political gorilla warfare. That was then, now is now.
    I caution every young man who asks me to stay away from college. I tell them to take a few years off and learn a trade. Think about going to school when you have some work experience under your belt. Then when you do go get in and get out as fast as you can. Do your first two years at community college then move up to the flagship state school. Just don’t say anything remotely offensive, don’t tell a joke, keep your head down and just go to class, don’t have sex, and stay about as anonymous as you can on a big college campus. Get your degree and run.

  41. read tao te ching a taoist classic. That book would fit with your article. Nice article roosh I agree

  42. People who complain about formal education, particularly university education, are typically those that could not access a decent education or did not have the ablity to take advantage of it.
    Those who use terms like “slut training centers for girls” are typically angry at women because if their inability to make any progress with them.
    I attended a world famous university and it was an invaluable part of my intellectual and emotional growth. Was every course I took directly applicable to my current role? Of course not. Did those learning experiences help me become a well rounded individual with eclectic interests and informed views on a broad range of topics? Undoubtedly.
    There were plenty of girls too, and only a very few of them were what a normal person would define as a slut.

    1. “People who complain about formal education, particularly university education, are typically those that could not access a decent education or did not have the ablity to take advantage of it.”
      I see you gave up on your last ad hominem attack so you’re now throwing out a new one about us being angry and uneducated. A for effort! I am being completely unbiased when I say that my MBA is in large part worthless. I didn’t learn a whole lot more than I already knew or could have learned outside of the college setting.

      1. I suspect that if one actually *needs* university to make one appreciate life and culture, one basically is not the independent type that takes those lessons from his own pursuits and experiences in life.

        1. “Hi I’m one of your followers here on tumblr and I know this is probably weird but I can understand what you’re going through. So much it hurts. I’ve been following your recent posts and I’ve been debating whether or not to contact you. (I’m really awkward when it comes to meeting people online)
          But this post has helped me in a way. Seeing
          you go through all this and still managing to keep your head up helps keep me determined to do the same. I too hope to get through this and hope to be a better person. It just feels better knowing that I’m not the only one going through it. Thank you for sharing your feelings. – Signed GMac (Gil)”
          Well, certainly sounds well-rounded and adjusted…or at least the exact opposite of that.

    2. What was your major?
      Did those learning experiences help me become a well rounded individual with eclectic interests and informed views on a broad range of topics? Undoubtedly.
      Oh come now. You’d have to have led a totally sheltered life to have your interests expanded that much by college. I took many humanities focused classes and only a few sparked any interest that led to me enjoying life outside of university. Sorry man, but I took nothing from Ancient Chinese Art Theory that has benefited me in life. It was interesting enough to not put me to sleep but has played zero role in my life after I graduated.
      There were plenty of girls too, and only a very few of them were what a normal person would define as a slut.
      Define “normal person”, your statement lacks context without that particular definition. “Normal people” generally don’t see girls who sleep with 5 guys a year as a “slut” any longer. Normal people with actual traditional values on the other hand, do. Context, as always, is key.
      emotional growth
      Ah, a humanities major.

      1. Whose traditional values are you referring to? Victorian Britain presumably or maybe Eisenhower America. Your “traditional values” would have seemed very odd in, oh I don’t know, late era roman empire or pre-Revolutionary France.
        Need to define your terms a little more clearly if you wish to engage me, old chap!

        1. So you won’t answer my questions. I asked you for context since your definition lacks it, gave you a couple of examples, then you turn around and tell “me” to define terms? That’s highly illogical.
          Answer my questions please. If you’re here to sneer, which appears to be the case, you’ll throw out a few more snarl posts and then fade into obscurity just like every other troll before you. We don’t take your shaming and mocking attempts seriously here, your weapons are impotent, you’ll need to either try to strike up a real conversation without ad hominem, or you’ll be soundly ignored once everybody else figures out your schtick.

        2. You asked one question – what was my major. It was business with a minor in law.
          Your turn to answer my question!

        3. No, pay attention to details. What was your major AND what do you define as “normal people”. Readers are leaders.
          I have nothing to answer from you, since your question makes no sense. And as you have not, as of yet, even bothered to answer one of my questions, then there’s no particular reason I need to address your non-question.

        4. And again, no answer to my questions.
          It doesn’t matter what “traditional values” I was referring to specifically, rather the kind you’d find on a person who figured that a girl who sleeps with 5 men a year is a slut. The very specific virtue and value set is of no importance, ergo, your question is a non-sequitur.
          Now answer my questions please.

        5. Oh, so you can’t answer the question? That’s fine, I wasn’t expecting much and you haven’t disappointed!!

    3. Actually it’s those who have been educated and are trying to figure out how they were damaged as children.
      College is highly variable. College is only bad if you’re in certain majors. If you’re in a science or engineering major the biggest problem you might have is too little hands on and too much math.
      If you really want to understand the damage done to children please read John Taylor Gatto’s “The underground history of american education”.

  43. The only valuable thing I got from my time in college was access to the library, where, as cliche as it may sound, my actual education happened. Of course nowadays, the SJWs on campus are probably working to make sure school libraries get rid of any books or journals that contain information they don’t like, so even that refuge will be gone for sane students.

  44. Here’s a challenge for all you alpha males (!). Can you identify the item in the foreground of my avatar picture?

    1. Wine bottle, 750ml, containing some form of red wine (can’t read the label) and a carafe.
      Behind, is a building.
      Ta da

        1. I don’t drink wine, child, I collect and drink fine Scotch. Some of us have graduated above the amateur class.

        2. I thought gmac died around 2009- shouldnt your screenname be “ally” at this point?

        3. You try to belittle me, I’ll have no problem with putting you in your place. Learn some respect for other human beings or spend your life constantly being insulted. You expect somebody who is not a connoisseur of wine to know the specific type of wine, which is silly. I don’t ask you specific bottles of Scotch based off of a fuzzy picture, since I highly doubt you partake of that high of a level of pallet sophistication.

        4. And…you’re done. Officially a troll.
          Good day.

        5. I purchased several bottles of 18 year old single malt on the Isle of Skye back in 1991, that are still sitting sealed in my collection. While Scotch doesn’t really age much when bottled, I still can’t wait to eventually, some day, crack one of those seals.

        6. Oh, it is a very famous wine that any self-respecting gentleman would recognize immediately. What kind of a heathen are you?

        7. I find the best way to convert interested parties is to suggest that they not do the usual throw back quaff. Instead, take a small amount in your mouth (start with it on the rocks, move to neat once you get a taste for it), then place that bit on the front 1/3 of your tongue for a while. Swish it around a bit, let it settle and the burn go away (depending on the brand you’re drinking), then swallow. Then do another like that. After half a glass it becomes easy to drink for a first timer and then you can start appreciating the finer tastes.

        8. What gmac really means is ‘I guarantee I can Google it and pretend I know what I’m talking about.’ Don’t feed the trolls. Enjoy your scotch.

        9. He already said he couldn’t read it because your picture was bad. How do you expect him to recognize it immediately with such a shitty picture?

        10. You’ve got something to say? Then be a man and say it. Guessing shit is for sewing circles.

        11. If you are so familiar then perhaps you would know the correct spelling of whisky. Guess not, eh?

        12. He won’t, he’s here from some random link or search I suspect, and simply wants to mock and sneer. He’s a troll, treat him accordingly.

        13. Yep, I don’t play that game on the internet, as you point out it’s rather goofy. Real life, well, that’s another matter entirely. It’s funny how so many Google Warriors know diddly squat without their iPhone in hand.

        14. You’ve been Googling that wine for the last half hour and you still don’t know what it is.

        15. Yeah, he’s a common type, the Superior Ubermensch. Easy to shoot down too, as is being demonstrated. People possessed with vanity and pride are the easiest ones to trip up.

        16. When does the shooting down start? Because so far you have been getting your clock cleaned…

        17. From a dietary perspective they’re better for ya’ than beer or wine. No carbs.

        18. You collect and drink fine Scotch but you can’t spell it?
          You’re embarrassing yourself here, old boy.

        19. I’ve got lots of things to say. Go read my recent posts and come back when you need me to be a little more specific.

        20. From your earlier post in this thread:
          I’m not a huge Scotch connoisseur, but that glass I had the other night might convert me”
          Case closed.

        21. Lol you’re lack of reading comprehension is refreshing. Let’s piece together my whole conversation:
          “Well, I’m growing tired of beers so I’ve been branching out over the past year. Had a short fling with wines and am now settling more into whiskeys and the like.
          I’m not a huge Scotch connoisseur, but that glass I had the other night might convert me.”
          I obviously stated that I have been drinking Irish/American WHISKEYS, but after the Scotch I had the other night, I might switch to it (Scotch/WHISKY) instead.
          Case closed. I would love to chat more, but I got a few more emails to finish off before I head home. Have fun with your trolling, Gil.

        22. Hide? Nobody else here made their Disqus profile private. Go home kid, you’re drunk.

      1. Looks like Chateau Latour to me, but the picture is very fuzzy.
        Personally, I’d rather have a little Courvoisier, Belvedere, or even some Evan Williams before most wine.

        1. Hey, we have a winner! Only took him an hour of searching but I didn’t expect you guys to have much of a clue.

        2. How interesting where your mind immediately goes! Something you would like to share with the group?

        3. From the source that called people closet homosexuals?
          You know it is possible that not everyone cares to read all your posts alone in a section of 260+ comments, (this particular string is near the bottom when sorted by best, takes about an hour to read down to it). Especially since you are a troll and we are all aware of it. Enjoy the bridge.

    2. Who is this faggot gmac?
      And why isn’t that a bottle of Johnnie Walker?
      What a Fag

      1. Ah, the intellectual giants are among us!
        Johnnie Walker? Cheap intellectuals it would appear..

        1. I gather from your comment that you are not familiar with the Latour 1970? No, I suppose you probably aren’t.

        2. That would depend, if what you mean by familiar is that I possess a digital photograph of said beverage and have it as my discus avatar picture, then no, i’m not a faggot.

  45. Education, where could I start on this. Anyway, I’ll be short for a change. What’s the ideal job? Truth is there’s not likely to be one, so get used to this fact. However where you actually end up is generally a compromise on a number of different fronts that change with experience and age. Currently, I have a job that’s not physically challenging but often mentally challenging, not soul destroying, but hardly the most creative and imaginative work in the world either. From the outside people think I have it made, as it pays well, I’ve great benefits and perks, good pension, travel and all the rest, and I’m practically unsackable. In the past, it was the opposite, I had a job that was physically challenging, and I got huge fulfillment from it, but, the pay and conditions were crap. You learn to adapt and compromise over life, but, the important thing I’d say to younger men under 30 is try your hand at a load of different things during this time, don’t waste it in some call center or retail store, travel and get some life experience.
    If I had a son I’d tell him to be a chartered accountant….study until you’re 23 or so, then go wild for a couple of years. When you’re 30-35 you can work anywhere as an accountant, and, in addition you can do it freelance from you home, work your own hours, you’ve no boss over you, and accountants are always in demand. Study the classics and languages then at your leisure.

    1. “However where you actually end up is generally a compromise on a number of different fronts that change with experience and age. ”
      Im incluned to agree. If I may ask, how old are you and what part of the world do you hail from?

      1. Just hit 40 recently. British Isles- I’ve lived on and off between England, Ireland and Wales (and Brussels) for years. I must admit, counter-intuitively, that I’ve gotten much happier with age. I’d say, I’m fitter and more content now than when I was about 10 years ago.

        1. Thanks. And I think to get better as one ages is a conscious decision. Most guys just let themselves go as time progresses.

        2. Never become satisfied. That’s the trick. And don’t tolerate boredom in any facet of you life as something normal- that’s a deadly habit.

  46. Not to toot my own horn but having worked as a teaching assistant I can honestly say that most university level teachers suck. And what’s worse, at the university level professors are working their very hardest to avoid teaching altogether… They’d rather spend their time writing grants and schmoozing with each other… Teaching is an utter nuisance to the majority of successful professors.
    The best way to learn is by doing and solving problems… And you aren’t going to get that kind of hands-on experience in the majority of university classes. In fact a lot of classes at the undergrad level will force you NOT to think. Presenting an original argument not only challenges the establishment, but is too time consuming for your average professor or teaching assistant to deal with.
    I can’t say I’ve gotten nothing out of university. I actually learned quite a bit working under the supervision of a professor. But the university system is a money-grab that forces you to spend the most energetic and enthusiastic part of your life in pointless electives, frustrating bureaucracy, and Frankfurt style liberal rhetoric.
    There’s pros and cons but I made the choice to escape the ivory tower and half a year out of it I couldn’t be happier with my decision.

    1. Escaping the ivory tower is a great feeling. Luckily, I studied science and engineering which was a SJW/feminist free zone in my day, and lecturers in these subjects I found in most cases went into university teaching roles for the right motives

      1. If someone has the aptitude/drive for STEM or medical (and maybe a few other exceptions) university is probably the right path.

        1. Very true, particularly with Maths and Engineering, I think you can only study these through the formal university system. Most European countries provide free university education for STEM courses as it improves their economies in the long term.

    2. Hardhat and sledgehammer, toilet brush, plunger and broom, dark early morning foghorns on the longshore, oilrig, truckdriving, meat-packing plant, etc.
      That’s the life…

  47. After attending primary and secondary school, I attended art school in Boston. What that means of course is that I don’t know a damn thing, seriously. I’m not trying to diss myself, but rather anything pragmagtic I learned for for vocational purposes was in real life. Indeed with things changing so rapidly, university education is a fucking waste and the first step that the system uses to get one enslaved via financial debt (student loans)

    1. Geez, can I ask when? Berkeley was expensive back in the mid-late 90s….

  48. Great Article
    Am a total arsehole!
    Avoided universities like the aids, never got a trade, never worked for a big company, was always happy to work shitty industrial jobs for small companies where I knew the boss. People just keep telling me I should do these things.
    Honest days work for decent pay with none of the backstabbing, mediocrity, political, feminised bullshit plus making something with your hands that holds shit together.
    I did spend thousands and thousands of hours studying after work. Studied my enemies very well.
    Learnt how to build a house anywhere, out of anything, (antarctica withstanding) learnt to grow food crops/fruit trees, learnt to retrofit/fix things (not as good as the old blokes).
    Learnt about food, how to make it, preserve it, how to get their poisons slowly out of my life, and am pretty close to being able to make my own electricity (very simple, no big fancy inventions ) + have kept my killer instincts very honed, still heaps to learn.
    Never gave a resume, cv, none of that, just my word, honest hard yakka and honour/friendship amongst men. Mistakes where made.
    If i had time I would go to university (at 42) and go straight into gender studies just to cause heart attacks, shits and giggles.
    Would probably turn up naked in a gorilla mask with my body scrawled am white hetero cis gendered ableist privileged scum, waving a huge dildo in the air attacking their safe spaces, all in the name of diversity and for the clickbait, deconstruction works both ways.

  49. I definitely see where Roosh is coming from. I had a pretty positive college experience; most courses I took, in my opinion, did legitimately improve my writing skills and enhance my grasp of history. But there were a minority of classes I went through, mostly mandatory ones, that were mind-bogglingly dumb and useless. My very last course I completed (one I was required to enroll in to graduate) was called [email protected] Countercultures, and it was a four-month class focused exclusively on Latin American gays & transsexuals. Almost all the weekly readings in the course dealt with subjects like AIDS, gay chatrooms, cross-dressing, queer feminism, and gender identity issues. In one of the pieces we read, the writer describes himself, as a little boy, having sex with a goat. I seriously am not making any of this up, though I wish I was. Courses like this serve absolutely no value to students after their graduation, and work to mold students into a specific ideology, rather than teach then any objective, useful knowledge. It’s unfortunate that by the year, this kind of education is becoming more commonplace at universities.

    1. Read my post above I know its long. This fucking shit has no business in any institution serious about learning and knowledge. Oh for fuck sake, goat fucking?

      1. Some New York magazine ran an article a while back about a guy who was married but liked to fuck horses. They wrote about it like it was totally normal. Disgusting…

        1. “Another lie.”
          When the New York Times is advocating pedophilia as a civil rights issue, it is well past time to start taking for granted that ANY perversion you hear about the Left is probably true (until proven otherwise).

          The nation’s tough anti-pedophilia laws are unfair to pedophiles, according to an op-ed published by The New York Times’ editors. “One can live with pedophilia and not act on it,” says Margo Kaplan, an entrepreneurial assistant law professor at Rutgers University, and a former lawyer for the American Civil Liberties Union. Tragically, the roughly 1 percent of “people who are sexually attracted to children] must hide their disorder from everyone they know — or risk losing educational and job opportunities, and face the prospect of harassment and even violence,” she wrote. Kaplan is trying to make a legal career in the regulation of expanding sexual diversity, instead of routine and lower-status practice areas, such as torts, probate, crime or copyrights. She’s focused on “legal limitations on intimate decisions, particularly the use of criminal law in areas of health and sexuality,” according to her web page.

      2. Agreed. Higher education, for the most part, has become a tremendous waste of money and will remain so until the far-left bias is removed from the classrooms.

    2. This is an obvious lie. No university REQUIRES that you take a class “focused exclusively on Latin American gays & transsexuals” to graduate. None. Nada . Zip.
      Only the most gullible moron would believe this – see the putzes below to confirm this.

  50. Education, especially today, is both a huge racket and basically a waste. It could, very easily be incredible, but, through things like government control, political correctness, unions, tenure and a cabal-like accreditation system that suppresses competition (why are the same schools always the best schools…for decades) its become an embarrassment. Need proof, lets look at the hard stats, tuition is soaring meanwhile the ROI of a 4 year undergrad degree is not different than a high school, which (at least as a student) you can get for free. Now, mind you at this point you’re likely already deep in the hole with no decent job prospects, so, to get ahead you have too…oh surprise, go back to school for another 2 or more years and go into further debt. Flip this around to see it for what it really is – the university has you for several hundred thousand for four years, and then, gets you again for another hundred of so for another 2 years.
    Its a broken system!!
    The future, just like with media, is ours for the taking. That’s right Jack. Online education has all the makings to be a vastly superior substitute product that will cost a fraction of schools today and…perhaps even better, it will be so customized and therefore efficient, you (or at least the motivated students) can get through their training in a shorter period of time. Already, IBM and Cloudera have created their own certification schools because academia is so slow and fat they are failing miserably training Big Data, which is the hottest thing right now and will be for some time.
    Elsewhere, across the board, although not highly publicized, humanities are suffering. Its not so much a question of want more like people can’t be literature majors and especially women’s or queer studies majors.
    Those nasty state funded political unions that have no legitimate reason to exist will hardly survive the online education disruption. Tenure will also go away. Information is ubiquitous, Standford, MIT and Harvard (I think) are already killing themselves by putting their proprietary classes online for all to see. So, why the fuck would you pay to go there? Exactly. But going forward you’ll have a star system just like in amazon or ebay etc that will be peer ranked, so, the silver hair pony tailed activist throwback from the 60’s (that’s, oh by the way been fucking with us) will be out of a job! Alternatively, you’ll see people like a high school educated franchise owner (Jiffey’s or Burger King) give business classes…and why? Because he owns fucking 20 franchises and makes 4 million a year! Would you rather learn from him or some academic that never held a real job and can’t be fired? The answer if obvious…now you see why this is going to be huge.

  51. Couldn’t agree more, especially on the college part. It took me 7 years from graduation to realize it was a hoax.
    Get a job out of school? Great. Be prepared to learn everything on the job. You take nothing with you, and you are correct that reading and writing skills are also underdeveloped.
    It paves the way for the herd mentality – wake up, work for someone else, come home, waste time, sleep. Repeat. Original thought is massacred early on and deviation from the mundane is met with disdain. Yet college costs continue to rise, paying useless professors and supporting the fattening infrastructure needed to run these cash cows. Go look at the public salary info for a major university. It’s sickening.

  52. Roosh pretty much nails it. Looking back on my college experience, it was pretty much useless except for the people I met and the chance to go abroad. You don’t have to go to college to meet people and go abroad.
    Kids should go to college because it will move them towards what they want to do, not simply for the sake of going to college.
    If a kid doesn’t know what to do after graduating high school, I’d advise him to go learn a trade and at least gain useful knowledge and make money while figuring out what he wants to do with his life.

  53. I actually just graduated college with a degree in environmental health, with honors. I did my internship for my local health department and the ceiling was very low, you only had specialist or manager with a cap around 50,000 and I would have done on site septic inspection and run a rabies program. I wont go into detail on how gross that is but to do work that I did at 17 after 4 years of toil that could have been put into other things is quite disheartening. To earn any more money you had to register for programs or organization that require 50-100 dollar monthly dues. Like you I was also pushed by my parents and in complete honesty i feel like college almost ruined me. Luckily i had a eureka moment and now am pursuing my dream of being an army ranger and possibly green beret.

    1. Have you bought “Get Selected” by Major Joe Martin and Master Sergeant Rex Dodson?
      That book is a hell of a resource and so is

  54. I first heard of “Rich Dad Poor Dad” about halfway through my 4-year college term, I read that book and my worldview changed forever at the tender age of 20. Unfortunately I was already more than halfway into the scam, so I figured I would ride out the last 2 years and at least “get something” out of it. Like so many others here, I never even used my college degree and it sits unused in a file buried in a plastic box of old papers. What a rip and waste of my youth.
    If you think about it, “Rich Dad Poor Dad” is the “red pill bible” of finances. The principles outlined in that book are time-less and 100% spot on.
    For those who haven’t read it, the gist of that book is “you are either making yourself richer, or you are making other people richer”. It’s a pretty simple truth to understand, albeit a bit harsh. Straight up; in this world you either work for yourself, or you work for others. There really aren’t any in-betweens, no real middle-ground – unless you count things like welfare or disability.
    I highly highly recommend everyone who has the spare time (the unemployed, students, etc) grab copies of both “Rich Dad Poor Dad” and “The 4-Hour Workweek” and read them front to back, you will be blown away. Your worldview of how “the game” really works will change forever.

  55. yes kids, go to Uni, then if you’re lucky you can get a graduate job earning 20k at one of these corporations that have already destroyed your culture, and are already planning to replace you with cheaper foreign labour….or you can be your own boss and build something of your own, Because ultimately, the only person on this planet you aren’t replaceable to, is yourself.

  56. One thing you’re missing is the why: inability of companies to discriminate by IQ.
    Since getting into a good college is fairly indicative of a higher IQ, companies have effectively kept IQ requirements by outsourcing the testing routine to colleges.
    Next time you want to hire a smart person for a relatively unskilled job, keep in mind why companies want college degrees.
    The bonus is people with college degrees have college debt, meaning they need their job more than a non-graduate.

    1. Actually a lot of jobs worth having, have multiple rounds of interviews with aptitude tests and assessment centres etc.

  57. The days for when a college degree meant anything are long gone. I’m not a tin foil hat type, but you have to wonder how companies only hire people with a degree despite their incompetence.

    1. Incompetence. Too true. This is particularly the case with the so-call competency based interviews which have become the norm in large organisations. I’ve been an interviewer on these boards, and to be blunt, they don’t often favor the very best candidates, especially when your’re looking for technical people. It is my belief that they were established to positively discriminate against male candidates. When you have to asses candidates on their communication and interpersonal skills regardless of their technical or problem solving abilities, women generally do much better than males in this game. Degrees are pretty worthless when you up against this ideological glass ceiling.

  58. An earlier article here mentioned that the whole point of the American Education System is to be an obedient cog in society.

  59. Though as a descendant of immigrants myself I do feel to a point sympathy for immigrants, I will say this: if you want to really, really, REALLY stop or slow the flow of immigrants? Stop support of nonsensical degrees like philosophy, or gender studies, anything that reeks of liberal arts. You want to get a degree like that, pay for it yourself. Instead, encourage students to go for practical crafts and vocations like culinary arts or plumbing, trades being increasingly taken by immigrants simply because they’re not taking those jobs from Americans when Americans don’t seem encouraged to take them in the first place. And I’m speaking from experience. Way cheaper than a wall.

    1. Nonsensical degrees? Aye, the intellectuals are really out in force in the manosphere! Tell you what – how about YOU go do catering or plumbing and then you can cook my family’s food or fix our toilet – both honourable callings. My kids will study exactly what they want and their success in that will lead them to the career of their choice.

      1. You are, hilariously, still here. Good luck with that philosophy or gender studies degree. When your kids are flipping burgers they can wonder about the nature of truth and how everything is the fault of the patriarchy. Helps pass the time in the dead end jobs those degrees will get them.

      2. You mean what YOU want them to study? Also when was the last time those nonsensical degrees did anybody good? Also, have you seen the burden those degrees have wrecked because those who have them can’t pay them back? And yes in fact I am learning carpentry. While I’m learning a good skill that hopefully gets me to college one day, your kids MAY end up cooking for me or cleaning my toilets or preparing my Frappucino because their psychology degree crapped out on them.

        1. What a fucking arrogant dickweed. The truth is that the owners of the catering and plumbing businesses will have their coffee and maybe a cinnamon twist cake made by that jackass’s kids.

  60. I agree with your dad, college taught you how to think. The wrong thing we were all taught that once we got out, companies would be banging down our doors to offer us a high paying job. You don’t get big money until you have experience, but you can’t get the experience without the degree.
    I do agree on the nonsensical degrees though. If you can’t see a clear path to success than you wasted your time. What is a clear path to success? Accounting degree to a CPA to big bucks. But you do have to work and struggle a bit.

  61. If you want to understand the purpose of the american education system read the book “The Underground History of American Education”. If you want heavier reading after that there is “The Deliberate Dumbing Down of America”. Both were at one time free online and both should be out there somewhere.
    The short version is that modern education in this country was developed and implemented by the wealthy industrialists to the Prussian model to create fungible human resources for the military, corporations, and government. It turns people into good consumers who are unable to think and thus ultimately unable to challenge the ruling class.

    1. My father had his MBA. I still remember asking my Dad about getting my masters; I also remember him basically indicating, don’t bother.

  62. Your Prussian-system American ‘education’ hurt you, set you back years. It did for all of us.
    And the scientific method doesn’t work unless you have a strong mind and strong analytical reasoning, and better yet, honesty. Without intellectual honesty, analytical power, and thoroughness, and an ability to follow BOTH inductive and deductive logic, based on correct first principles, then the scientific method is useless.

  63. Three words: John Taylor Gatto.
    As for college, it’s pretty much a 4+ year extension of high school.. and thereby a 4+ year extension of childhood. They refer to students as “kids” for Christ sake. You only need to look at the infantile behavior of censorship SJWs and “women’s safe-space” hugbox jockeys, with their coloring books and play-dough. When some overgrown child can carry a mattress around for two years like an oversized security blanket, after being caught out telling fibs, and still receive a degree in “aww you poor thing”, you know something’s wrong.

  64. Unfortunately parents today are not aware of how much things have changed and they are still pushing their kids to go to college, not realizing that not only is college useless, but so is highschool. In fact, worse than useless: downright dangerous. I know: I sent my kid to college thinking it was the “right thing to do”. Only now, three years later, do I realize what an enormous waste of time and money it was.

  65. It’s absured that the Democrats are promising college for everybody. It’s like when Bush Jr. was running and promised a $50 check to all Americans from the surplus that Bill Clinton amassed. If corporations aren’t going to hire them, then the people wasted years (and money) that they could have spent building a real future.
    It used to be that a degree guaranteed an early retirement and great life. Then corporations claimed that the only way they could compete was to screw workers. And they’ve done that to the point where they have nowhere else to cut costs and no idea how to run businesses by actually coming up with new ideas or products. (What “competition” used to mean!) Now there are Phd’s out there driving cabs and doing lawn work.
    And you can’t really learn at college, unless you go for the sciences and learn something concrete, like working with concrete. Today’s universitites only seem to do apologizing for facts from history and social sciences.

    1. ” First off the discovery of how to properly use the scientific method alone is evidence that school was useful”
      I would wager they have stopped teaching scientific method by now.

  66. I disagree with the fundamental assertion that school is of minimal use. First off the discovery of how to properly use the scientific method alone is evidence that school was useful. But I know many will disagree.
    On my own life I use about 70% of every equation and skill I was taught in school. All the engineering formulas, calculus, physics etc… I apply regularly. It’s what separates me from the pack and allows me to grow a business in an otherwise saturated market.
    For anyone that cares if you don’t want to be a drone or a grunt, be a pro at what you do and know how to apply it to a service or product.

    1. If you think people who are successful at business are good at formulas and equations, or that they do that kind of gruntwork themselves you really don’t have a clue
      Hint: They simply have their name on a piece of paper that says they own a piece of private property.
      95% of “successful” engineers or people that graduated engineering are just that, grunts and drones for people a lot richer and more powerful. Props to you if you’re part of the 5%, but I would thank your own initiative, ambition, self belief and shrewdness before you thank Calculus. Then accept that actually there are plenty of guys who started out mowing lawns, and selling hamburgers at music festivals, who are now richer and have more successful businesses than you. Initiative, Ambition, Self belief and Shrewdness are relevant and applicable cross-industry. I studied engineering at University.

      1. I run my own engineering and manufacturing company. We produce several technical products that require extensive calculation to achieve a successful install. These are durable goods going into heavy industry. If we fuck up real money, time and potentially life is lost. Without a mastery of the subject, access to earning in this field is closed. No one gave me a piece of paper that says I own anything, I hacked it out of stone. Significant money is made by knowing how to take an idea, get lots of people to work on it, and have enough margin that you can take a good chunk of money off the top. Not grunt work, unless you count coming up with a business as grunt work.
        I know plenty of guys that are in the machine trade that started there own shop and are doing very well. Before that, they are went to trade school, were certified in multiple areas, and had years of OJT. Its not calculus, but its still education. They know every tool, trick and skill stone cold. Mastering any trade requires extensive training to reduce to the cost of learning by way of trial and error, and time to practice it.
        In a business analysis of 96 small business ( with a 75% accuracy (p<.001) the probability of small business (0-10 employees) success can be predicted using an empirical equation with 10 variables. 15 variables were tested, 10 were found to be significant and included in the model. Education ranked 7th, industry experience ranked 3, both are included in the model.
        In the same study people with at least 1-2 years post high school (14 + years education) education were found to have a greater chance of success than those with only high school level education. I agree that its a soup of factors that makes a business work, but being uneducated is shooting yourself in the foot.

        1. Thanks for the post. You are right that it helps to be educated. But you are ignoring large factors. Near enough EVERYONE of above average intellect goes to uni these days…even more so those from rich families…and what is one of the largest factors in business success? How much money you start out with……
          I wouldn’t pay much attention to the stats. They compare total lifetime earnings of graduates vs non graduates and such without factoring in other things, like the fact that lots of the people who didn’t go to Uni didn’t go because they are educationally sub-normal or intellectually just not up to it, or much at all. No point comparing someone who went to uni with an IQ 130 to someone who didn’t go with an IQ of 85. Compare to the guy who didn’t go to Uni with an IQ of 130, who are something of a rarity these days, as like I said most do go. I agree going to university helps with opportunity in life, but it doesn’t make you smart, you go BECAUSE you are already smart, and it just teaches you a subject, and certifies that you are smart to employers. Most people don’t use that much degree knowledge in life. Your story is nice, but like I said, you are the exception, in a field which is an exception. Which you should be proud of. I on the otherhand am an engineering graduate from Imperial college London who makes a LOT of money outside of engineering or indeed any mathematically vigorous field, All the highest earners that I know from my class don’t work in engineering, however many of the guys who got the highest marks in class do.

        2. Being wealthy is a massive advantage. Capital and exposure to others with capital is king. But wealth is not permanent, It can be lost or taken away.
          If we take two equally intelligent people and put them in college, the one with a huge sum of initial capital starting out will overwhelmingly come out ahead. But frequently kids from wealthy families are not all that smart and are unaccustomed to real hardship. I have met plenty of university graduate trust fund baby morons, and fired them. University will not make a box of rocks better, but it will make someone who is intelligent a superior asset, and that is a good wedge to have .
          Working in and out of the field of your university degree is a fact of life for most. Continued education post university is essential. A baccalaureate degree is about broad concepts and how to learn efficiently, not mastering a field by itself. I still make sales calls, but because of my technical expertise, I have a much higher conversion rate than my straight sales reps without a technical background, it all ties together.

        3. I know lots of smart people who were home-schooled or un-schooled (look it up) as kids. I also know intelligent high school and college drop outs. Despite their intellectual curiosity most of these people lack drive, ambition, discipline and focus so they are just wandering aimlessly in life and sometimes “creating art” that hasn’t managed to pay their rent yet. Whether he acknowledges it or not, Roosh’s drive, focus, goal-setting and discipline to achieve those goals were what he gained in college, never mind that he doesn’t use his microbiology degree.

        4. Those are the reasons he went to college, his disdain for the outcome is self evident. His drive, ambition and focus is why he went to university, and it didn’t work out for him professionally or in the working world. I think i’ll take it from Roosh himself, thank you.
          Here in England the University entry qualifications are more intense than the degrees, if you get high grades, say 3-4 As in your A-levels like I did, you can basically do any degree at any university in the country and get top marks. The university admissions tutors know this and will tell you as much themselves. Lots of people drop out of university because it isn’t intense or focused enough, not because they can’t hack it intellectually or organisationally, many of them have the raw potential to do a degree in like a year at 17(as do a lot of people, PERIOD). Lots of these people were meant to actually be/do something in life, not sitting and thinking, or procrastinating, or frat partying, or following orders, they did that at the high school level because they thought going to University was the end, rather than a means to an end, they thought it was the ticket and the goal/destination. They were mistaken, for themselves at least.

        5. ” I think i’ll take it from Roosh himself, thank you.”
          You’re welcome! 🙂 But “Roosh himself” said the reason he went to college was to please his parents, not as you wrote, “His drive, ambition and focus is why he went to
          university”. University forces us to properly allocate our time, follow a schedule, focus, buckle down and meet deadlines. These elements are missing in most, but not all, all of the adults I know who did not go to college. They are definitely missing in the overwhelming majority of adults I know who were home-schooled and un-schooled.

        6. I think you are misunderstanding reality or language there buddy, pleasing your parents is a motive or reason for doing things, drive, focus and discipline etc are tools/skills you use to do things. Doing something to please your parents, or not as the case maybe is totally independent from the life skills that you use to do those things. Pleasing his parents was his motive or desire. Drive, discipline, and focus etc is what he used to actually get through university, it didn’t teach him those things. But yes perhaps I mis-phrased. So his motive or reason was essentially to please his parents……for some it is to make money, or achieve social standing. No one has drive, discipline, focus and ambition for no reason. Otherwise everyone would always be trying to do everything. Try that and see how it works out. Do you really know the meaning of language?
          Have those home and un schooled fellows that you know, personally confided in you that they are or feel unsuccessful or is that just some opinion that you have about their life? And if their personal goals and motives are different from yours are they really being unsuccessful or lacking in drive and focus, if they simply feel that actually they ARE achieving their goals?

        7. “His drive, ambition and focus is why he went to university, and it
          didn’t work out for him professionally or in the working world. I think
          i’ll take it from Roosh himself, thank you.”
          OKAY! Let’s “take it from Roosh himself” shall we? Roosh himself: “My parents pushed me hard into attending university. I didn’t question
          their well-intentioned urgings because I had no idea what else to do. I
          eventually picked microbiology out of a black hat, which served me for
          six years after college until quitting for good.” Nothing about drive, ambition or focus there! Look, the UK is different. Here in the US, most of the people I met who did not conform to the rigors of a university schedule and its deadlines lack the necessary focus, discipline and willingness to meet deadlines that those who attend and graduate university commonly display. And this is especially true of those who were home-schooled or un-schooled as children.

        8. You say university forces us to do this or that but It doesn’t force us to do anything, plenty of people drop out of college, because they don’t have the drive, focus, discipline or even the motive or reason to pass or go in the first place…..University doesn’t teach you that, you get through university if you already possess that. All of those things could easily be directed at something else. Do elite athletes not have drive, focus, discipline etc because they didn’t learn it at uni? and if they do have it, where did they learn it…..and did becoming an elite athlete teach them drive focus discipline, or did they become an elite athlete because of those things…..? Does becoming a billionaire businessman teach you drive, discipline and focus? or is it an indication you have those things? Uni is what it is, subject matter and certification, it may be a certification of discipline, focus and drive, in a specific field particularly, but it didn’t teach you those things, you needed those things to get the certification. I think you have yourself backwards there.

        9. “Have those home and un schooled fellows that you know, personally
          confided in you that they are or feel unsuccessful or is that just some
          opinion that you have about their life?”
          Most are on welfare and can’t hold down a job. Pot smoking is also a favorite regular activity of theirs which adds to their laziness. They also don’t use contraception and thus have kids out of wedlock, but I suppose they could still “feel successful” inside.
          You also said that uni “didn’t work out for him professionally or in the
          working world” But it did work out for him professionally and in the working world because as he said, he was professionally employed for several years after graduating in his field. Had he stayed on it would have provided him with a solid middle to upper middle class lifestyle. He did not want to do that, fine, we have choice, but don’t pretend it didn’t “work”. It did.

        10. What solid upper middle class lifestyle are you talking about?
          Are you one of these jokers who have bought into the lie of what is middle class these days? here is a clue, it isn’t your typical MIDDLE INCOME employee that earns 40-150K it’s people who own say 3-25Million in revenue generating assets. Certainly UPPER middle class always meant not working a “job” PERIOD. Even lots of doctors and most engineers aren’t middle class, even after 25 years working and job progression. Middle income =/= middle class. When people talk about “the decline of the middle class” they aren’t referring to a shortage of low level accountants, lab-rats, paper pushers, and office chair jockeys. LOL.
          Not liking your job, to the the extent that you have to quit and do something else unrelated…..that’s it not working out for you. People who didn’t go to Uni get jobs you know and often good ones too. You don’t need to end up sick and dying by the side of the road for things not to have worked out for you. If that’s the case, then we all made it, even the dudes smoking weed on welfare. Here in the UK, homeschooling is pretty much non-existant, people still end up smoking weed and pissing their life away…. if you have actually been to college, you’ll have seen the amounts of weed/drugs consumed by many students, soon to be doctors and scientists lol. For a LOT of people, Uni is where they first get on drugs/alcohol. What a joke. You think weed is the big Evil.
          Poverty still isn’t really a real thing here in the west, all the “poor” people have the same phone, food, holidays and pussy as you, they just don’t work as hard or as smart. There are also lots of billionaires who never stop working and spend £2000 a month. In the end all you really got is a sense of pride or increased status in life, good for you, but that’s not a real thing, just a feeling. It’s a woman thing to sit around dreaming of a better lifestyle or one-upping their neighbours/friends, MEN should just always be doing something. Why would you want to work hard to become upper middle class or “rich” anyway? so you can sit around doing nothing, consuming things or taking drugs? kind of like the potheads and layabouts you claim are losers to begin with?

    2. Schooling is of great use. I know a lot of adults who parents didn’t want them to go to school so they home schooled them or un-schooled them (look it up). I also know high school drop outs and college drop outs. Most of these people do not have the discipline, focus, drive and ability to manage their time that Roosh and other college graduates display. They are more or less floating aimlessly in life. Roosh was able to accomplish his goals and become successful because the discipline of college life in a STEM field taught him how to focus and achieve set goals.

      1. This exactly. A college degree is a good indicator, not proof, but a good indicator that the person who has it has some discipline and intelligence. If your going to hire some one very fresh, you need some indication they will be successful.
        The anti intellectual movement in America will harm way more kids than it helps. No one cares about how to wood work or other such romantic nonsense in industry that accounts for 80% of available jobs.

  67. The American school system is as Roosh says flawed. You have so many mixed emotions and 0 plan. School is about indoctrination here and how to think. Everyone agrees it needs to change, but no one can get around the millions of sensitive parents that want their perspective of the way it should be.
    Most of what you’ll learn you’ll never use except the social dynamics.As long as you have people running the country who care more about the bottom line then people or the future you’ll have implosions of reverse growth. You can live ideologically ignoring rules such as the 2nd law of thermodynamics which our economy violates, but reality will soon set in when a bunch of inbred trust fund babies with world entitlement issues get handed enough money to create global change to support their private agendas.
    School teaches you to get in line and be somewhere for 8 hours a day. Only without good leaders who are intelligent enough to put the resources where they are needed most you’ll have more stagnation and implosions. A king was raised from birth to be a leader. Elected officials, rich trust fund kids and lobbyists are raised mostly with the silver spoon, but without the education to know wtf to do with all that power. Mostly what they know is Pepsi and geico commercials and get in line and repeat what other people say to sound smart.
    You wonder why we are were we are? It’s because we are too busy watching the dog n pony show living in denial about the American dream and pretending that our system is good for more then just a few. It’s because the media keeps both sides divided so heavily they become powerless. You have to read between the lines and accept that most of what we view as reality is based on bullshit stacked on more bullshit we tell ourselves. Our forefathers and the builders of this continent foresaw all of this and would have been very ashamed.

  68. Another reason to skip college? Another shooting, this time at Northern Arizona University.

    1. Any details on that? Could have been a mugging went awry, at least as far as we know thus far. I haven’t listened to the radio in half an hour, maybe that’s changed?

      1. No idea. Looks like it happened at dawn. Could be a mugging, terrorism, a mad at the world beta, two drunk frat bros going at each other, pretty much anything. At least they apparently caught the perp alive, which is definitely a good thing. Still, what has happened to our sanctuaries of wisdom and knowledge is depressing to say the least.

  69. Education is for plebs. All the valuable skills and life lessons I learned from anime.

  70. Working on US Gov’t contracts in Engineering requires a BS in Eng. At the aerospace engineering school where I graduated, that was what kept most of us in until graduation: the knowledge that we couldn’t work on rockets without it. (This was before the privatized space industry.)

  71. The fact that homes schooled kids often outscore public high school graduates in America tells you all you need to know aboutb the current state of “education” in modern America.

  72. Roosh, the reason why you are successful today is because you went to college!!!! College taught you discipline, focus and the proper allocation of time, which have served you well today. I know a lot of adults who were home-schooled, un-schooled (yes its a “movement” look it up), high school drop outs and college drop outs, and the majority of them have no work ethic, no discipline, no focus and are just floating aimlessly through life now.

  73. I don’t disagree theoretically with anything in this article
    Sometimes you have to play the game to get ahead in life. Getting an education and a couple degrees got me the chance to leave America and work in Asia where I still live today meeting much better looking and better behaving women than I would have in the USA and finally marrying a beautiful virgin. None of that would have been possible without a Master’s Degree.

    1. Perhaps. Rite now, im trying to relocate to Kyiv & it’s not easy because no one can afford me & no one wants to hire a Yankee.

  74. College is for girls and guys who want jobs that girls can also do (the vast majority of those being what I call fake jobs afforded by a fake economy/currency). Go in the trades you fags (or vocational school). Don’t have a job, with potential to make 55 plus thousand a yr? I’ll help you get one right now. Be in shape…..mean business….and go to a new construction sub-division or house….walk up to a HVAC guy or plumber….and look the owner in the eye and say….”I will make you money!” It won’t take long. Make sure it’s licensed, you bust your ass, invest into your own vehicle/equipment, do side work, live in an area where money is around (you can’t do this in the U.P. of Michigan) and that you are on your own by time you’re in your 30’s. There are no women there (eliminating half the population/competition) or lazy people (eliminating another majority of the male population), blacks aren’t abundant in the building world, and illegals can’t be licensed. And, for example, HVAC is never not going to be….people can’t live without it. There are no young men coming into the trades for some reason either. Lazy? Maybe a little. But I just think there’s a stigma on blue collar jobs; mainly from women, with their bachelor degrees, and the need to “marry up.” But, since you’re reading this here, I’m assuming you could care less about that as well. Besides, that house you’ll own (along with your toys) will lure tons of pussy in. If any college educated homo tells you…”I understand what you’re saying, but think about when you’re 50 yrs old and the wear and tear on your body.” He’s an insecure lazy matrix fag. Destined to work 40 plus hrs well into his 60’s (if he lives that long…no one is guaranteed tomorrow). Just slow down when you hit 50. Don’t try to keep up with the simps and stop trying to impress women. All that motivates men to bust their ass’s in life is reproductive rights and resources. You’re 50…..what are you out to do when you’re 50….have babies?! You should own your house by then (if you don’t get married…if you do…I can’t make any promises) and be in charge of your own life. Be a minimalist and only work 3 days a week and go enjoy life before you’re too old to enjoy it. I’m a new construction painter (work for myself), gross a couple hundred thousand a year (could make a shit ton more if I could find decent help), but am ready to go Galt. Cash only. Pushing 46 this yr. Simply refinishing kitchen cabinets and painting a room here and there. I can’t stomach any more taxes for entitlement programs and illegal wars for a country that doesn’t represent me and actually thinks I’m an enemy of humanity as a white male. The only downside to licensed trades is it’s harder to hide money because a lot of times you have to pull permits or work for builders/contractors. Hard work has a way of cleansing your soul and streamlining your thinking processes. It keeps you in reality. You’ll be a better person for it.

  75. I’m not sure if anyone will read this, but I’d love a response if someone does. I have two complaints with Roosh V’s applying this method to female behavior.
    First is that human behavior is not “scientific”. In science, if you repeat the same experiment twice exactly, you expect to get the exact same result. If you don’t, you have made an error. If you took random samples of women and look at what kind of person they are, it could be very different depending on their circumstances, where they are from, how they were raised, etc. You also can’t really have a fair sample size when it comes to something like this: even if you approach 1,000 women, you are analyzing .00002% of the population. I don’t think it’s correct to draw conclusions based on that.
    Second is that you likely have a certain sampling bias: the type of women you are interested in. They will likely all share some trait that you want. So you are looking at a biased sample of women who have that trait to begin with.

    1. He is sampling what men want. A feminine female that is thin, with long hair, an above average physical set & with a pleasant character.
      Men only care about 2 things. What a woman looks like & how pleasant she is to be with.

  76. There’s a book that I read recently by an acclaimed and award- winning teacher. “Dumbing Us Down” by John Taylor Gatto is about how the public school system purposely teaches kids how to conform to society and give up their power to someone else so that the fit into a specific form and label without question.

  77. You can only say this because you are done with it but without it you would not be up to speed with what is going on in the world and you would not have something to turn against
    Don’t hear much of a homeschooled or non schooled individual that made it big

    1. Most of the major tech innovators have been college dropouts.
      The problem we have today is that you need the system and the credentials to get job recommendations. People could be much smarter – people *were* much smarter – when they were not forced through a 13-year-long pasta maker called public schooling.

  78. I wholeheartedly agree. Essentially everything I know, apart from my multiplication tables and basic math, I taught myself.
    Have you ever read the works of John Taylor Gatto? He kept winning teacher of the year awards, but then various teachers’ associations regretted asking him to share his wisdom, because his wisdom was essentially this: “we teachers are a total waste, and what we do to children is child abuse.”
    He asserts, correctly in my opinion, that most people only needed basic reading, writing and mathematical skills, and that this is easily mastered within about 100 hours of education. A great deal of other information about science and history will be learned by children with pleasure and interest, if they are given the tools to be able to concentrate (and read), and do not have their natural enjoyment in learning crushed. My best friend and adopted brother has three young sons (4, 5 and 7) who are all reading… they’re reading so well, that I brought them my gigantic “Time Life Library” of books on numerous scientific and historical topics. They love to read about Roman warfare and Tarantulas and Outer Space… and, yes, they love to rough-house and traipse about the desert and play with legos. It’s all education and it all builds character (there is no television or video game system in the house), and it’s all an hell of a lot better for them than public school.
    And yes, he and other proponents of home schooling mention the benefit of having a good, engaged tutor for some other subjects such as Greek, Latin, Higher Math, Chemistry, etc. can be beneficial. But all in all, one can give his kids a better than private-school education, largely self-taught, for less than $5000 a year once you start hiring tutors. When one considers the expenses that are normally incurred by a working wife (daycare, eating out all the time, a second car and her daily Starbucks and expensive lunches, etc., etc.), you can truly save money and give your kids the moon out of the sky, for a reasonable price.

  79. The education system, modeled on the Prussian system, is designed to create conformity, dulled, dumbed-down slaves. We are organic robots that have our life and kinetic energy harnessed for digits in a computer. Money is a simple parlor trick. What the elites do with the trick is satanic black magic.
    The last thing the controllers want is a thinking, sentient population of humans on their plantation.

  80. Personally, I learned a shitload of great stuff in college. (Not so much in high school). This is because I studied economics. I often feel like I am one of the few people left in the world that actually has basic understanding of economics. For example, I see idiots claiming that a $15 mandatory minimum wage will NOT increase unemployment, then see the cheering if it is a politician and the media fawning over the idea, and realize just how little most people know of basic supply and demand equations.
    But, alas, even the field of economics has been apparently destroyed within the lunatic asylums called “universities.” Economics professor after economics professor earns their chits in the PC progressive shithole of their universities by doing “research” that concludes that $15 minimum wage does not increase unemployment. So looks like I am probably the last generation that got an honest education in this field.
    Believe me, I use economics all the time. As well as everything I learned about finance. Hell, these disciplines even help me when solving engineering problems.
    Somewhere along the way I also learned about cause and effect. Group think. Some basics of history (which I expanded upon through extensive reading all of my life). And a few more key concepts. So I can see, for example, that the society is being ruined (effect) by feminism (cause).

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