One of the upcoming negative effects of feminism that has yet to take hold in the United States is the increasing prevalence of the unmotivated, single man in the workplace. Since he has no family to support, a man of modest appetites does not need a high-powered career. Taken to an extreme, a man who is a social recluse can exist happily with an income near the poverty level based on the following expenses.
Although my income is currently nowhere near the poverty level, for a good chunk of years I lived in a simple apartment with a short commute to work and supported only myself. I was an avid Warcraft gamer, and was fat and did not go anywhere usually other than work and to see relatives. We’ll use numbers from my past for this exercise.
Expenses
Rent
The apartment I lived in during the time of this discussion cost $600 US per month, and that included water and heat, both of which I could have all I wanted. The apartment complex went Section 8 about halfway through my time here, but I have not been bothered and I felt safe, except for one time there was a fire.
Not my building, but in the same complex, about 5 years ago. Girls smoking and doing yoga; caught the mat on fire. Section 8 for the win.
Utilities
Power ranged from $20in the winter to $100 in the summer to run the air-conditioners. The internet connection and cable has averaged $75, so we will say $150 a month for utilities.
Food
I usually ate two meals a day at the plant for under $10 total, and would often have fast food in the evening, which made me very overweight. $20 a day did it for food, so say $600 a month.
Not me, but I DID love the Taco Bell, multiple nights a week.
Gasoline
I drove five miles each way to work, and WalMart is practically on the way. Although that is way less than one tank of gas a month, let’s say I did other things and at $4 per gallon, too, so $160 per month for gasoline.
Warcraft
That game costs fifteen dollars a month and your soul.
This one was mine.
Total
So far, we are running a yearly total of $18,300. Yes, it was an ideal situation—I had enough clothes, and no car payment on a reliable car. I had a good computer upon which to waste my life in Azeroth, and a short commute to work. While I did make mad money during this time, I was just living, but not having a life.
Minimum Income
Tacking on 15% taxes to the $18,300 gives us $21,045 gross income, which is 177% of the $11,880 that the federal government considers poverty level for a single person. So I need me $21k in income. What’s a simple job I can do around here that requires no ambition or real skill?
Any of these would work for a slacker with a gaming addiction.
Wal Mart
Says here I can make $10 an hour minimum working at Wal Mart. That is 2,104 hours of work over the year which puts me at just over 40 hours a week and a week’s vacation. Might even make some overtime.
McDonald’s
This tells me I can get $9 an hour working for Ronald. This would mean I would have to work 45 hours a week all year long, but it’s still certainly doable.
AutoZone
Glassdoor.com lists the base job at AutoZone at $9 an hour, so it’s the same setup as working at the burger joint, just with a better set of duties, in my opinion. 45 hour work weeks here.
Jobs Abound
Those are three jobs within less than a mile of me as I write this. I guarantee Walmart is hiring, since they have their shingle out every time I go in there. There have got to be more jobs for similar income around as well.
Welfare
I’ve never been on welfare, but some quick googling shows me that if I go Section 8 and get free housing, that would put me down to needing only $9300 per year. Cut gas down to just going to work and that’s down to $7740. Eat cheaper and I’m down to $5940. If I get $200 dollars in SNAP food stamps a month, and $300 in TANF allowances, that puts me right at $6000. It’s doable, barely, on welfare.
Work has to have a point
What women don’t get in the feminism movement is that there has to be a point for men to hold down a job. I work as an engineer because I like having money. Sure, there’s a bit of prestige that comes with the job, but I only put in the long hours of tedium and dealing with people with high school educations or worse trying to tell me that I’m wrong because I want a paycheck.
I like making the money I do because I like nice things, and I like having my surplus income make more income on its own so that I can retire sooner. Some married guys I know make the money they do to provide for their wives and kids. I live in a very conservative area of the USA where this is still a little normal.
But what if you don’t have a family and don’t need or want nice things? Are you going to pursue a high stress career just because you can? Women certainly seem to think so. Many of the female engineers I know define their success at their career as their success at life, and will do anything, and I mean anything, to advance it. They won’t learn until near the end that their career is a means to an end, and not the end in itself.
If you’re a guy with no family and no real ambition, a ten dollar an hour job will suit you right down to the ground, and a fifteen dollar an hour job might even allow you to get a retirement going, once the left passes those minimum wage laws they want.
Satire, but extremely accurate.
It’s all going to come crashing down
The feminists’ tragic flaw is that they assume that they are the only ones changing their game. They expect that they can sleep around in their 20s and get their power career going, marry a perfect man in their mid 30s, then have perfect children in their early 40s once their career is set for good.
We’ve seen here at ROK that the babies are not perfect when the mother is in her forties, and that the men who will marry a 35 year old post-wall carousel rider are far from perfect as well. We know that they are wrong on those.
We also know that they are wrong on substituting the corporation for a husband; it has no loyalty to you, you can’t sleep with it, and you’re going to die alone if you take that path.
But now, we also know that feminism, by making men realize there is no longer any point to having a high powered career, will replace men with women in those careers, as the men will no longer pursue those positions. By removing our obligations to society, they’ve freed us from the need for these careers. Once they harness up the yoke over their shoulders that was formerly ours, they may then finally learn that they are wrong in this, too.
Until that point, equality means I don’t have to help and you can carry that load all on your own, sweetheart.
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This was in Florida, right? I can see that being the case because it has a generally lower COLA, though in Maryland you need about double that unless you have Section 8 housing.
One thing that always struck me when I worked retail were the number of young and middle-aged black males out shopping for the entire afternoon 4-5 days during the workweek. Most of them didn’t look like blue collar workers with overnight shifts or NFLers, so it remains a mystery to me how they could afford to do that.
Slinging drugs, milking unemployment for all it’s worth; just gaming the system
Did an analysis like this on myself many years ago between my single self living alone and my newly married self. The results were pretty much just as you outlined. Men have NO idea just how much they shoulder when they decide to have a family.
My expenses were more than triple after I got married and I’d wager most married men with familes will say the same thing. We can live off VERY little when its just us, c’mon how often do we hear about women chiding men on their sparse ‘bachelor pads’?
Why do men do this? Go for careers in the first place? We all know that we need a job/career if we ever wanted a lady but this is no longer the case. Feminists are sniping their noses to spite their faces with this current paradigm.
Patriarchy wasn’t about oppressing women but harnessing men and their excess works. Women can’t be the bulls who drive society as their resource output compared to their maintenance comes nowhere close to that of a man.
The ugly truth is simply this: men are the tractors and women are the trailers. Past societies were smart enough to remember this fact.
I’ve thought being married has been pretty cheap overall. One rent, more efficient groceries, she joined my insurance so she doesn’t have to buy Obamacare and her car insurance went down, go out less, etc. Granted, the four new place mats we picked up last week would never have crossed my mind in my single 20’s, but $10 for a nice looking table at dinner isn’t outrageous.
This has been my experience of living together. This only works when you know how much your partner is making and budget accordingly. It is an extra expense if you both are spending your money.
If you are married, then kids.
Nuff said.
That’s the plan. House first though.
Good on you, my friend. My children (19 and 22) are a constant source of joy. Money comes and goes; the family lives forever.
I’d like to do that, unfortunately there are no prospects in view. This whole post is the nihilistic consequence of the destruction of the family and a place for men in society.
Her expenses went down, yours went up. The total may have dropped, but the difference’s almost always her spending money, not yours.
My wife’s food expenses dropped dramatically after marriage, as she didn’t know how to cook and so bought prepared foods or ate out. She happily spent that ‘extra’ money, until I finally got her to understand (kicking and screaming, learning despite herself) financial planning.
Right, but when you are married it is both your money. I’ve driven home living cheaply since day one. We have a budget. I think I chose a good one who is very stingy and fiscally conservative. Even now, she asks me for approval of every purchase, even a cheap $50 sale off modcloth (I on the other hand spend waaaay too much on hobbies). Once she graduates, I told her she has to watch Financial Peace University.
The point is this; especially since you plan on a house and kids…what precisely will YOUR expenses be at that time? Higher or lower than when you were single?
Correction: past societies had no choice. Women knew they would die without men. Today’s women believe they are able touphold society , but do not see the infrastructure and how it is invisibly maintained and built by men. I understand that there are quite a few women reading these forums and to I say: you chose to sink the ship and I have always defended you. ‘Have’ – as in the past. Took the red pill in December 2015 and I have treated you like the whining, lying, disloyal, hypergamous aliens you are. I believed we had something together which we worked on. You fooled me. Until now.
“Correction: past societies had no choice. Women knew they would die without men.”
100% correct, I should have phrased my points better.
“Today’s women believe they are able to uphold society , but do not see the infrastructure and how it is indivisibly maintained and built by men.”
That’s the issue right there. Men’s contributions to infrastructure, the economy and society are SO ubiquitous that they seem invisible to both women AND men. This is the reason why so many men actually believe the myth that women don’t need them.
It wasn’t until 2010 after reading The Misandry Bubble by TFH that I realized just what was going on. I had already taken the RP by then, but it was still a few years before I realized just how invaluable men actually are even to this day.
I like how Rocco put it.
^^ Yep ^^
well said Burt
Far as I’m concerned the patriarchy was made for women just like civilization was made for nurturing and is more of a feminine aspect
Well, the way you explain it, I think feminism has done more for men’s liberation than for women.
Men are still better off under either system than women. Men definitely suffer under feminism, but at least we have free and easy sex (even if the women are sometimes less than boner-inducing). Meanwhile what do women get with feminism? A career that leaves them cold and alone, providing some financial resources typically no better than a husband would have in previous times. Women are still below men, under patriarchy, or under feminism. Both sexes are lower under feminism, but the men always come out ahead. We are resourceful. We are independent. We adapt.
“…but at least we have free and easy sex…”
Oh yeah, with diseased, fat, nagging, ugly bags of cellulite that will drop a false “rape” or “harassment” accusation on your head at the drop of their saggy boobs.
I’d rather live like a monk.
Easily one on the most poignant articles that I have read to address the unspoken factor in the decline, listless men. Once shit hit the fans and women took the jobs, plus society showed it’s hands by devaluing the input of men, what choice was there for men but to opt in for bare minimum? Obviously, there is much to be said for a quality living and high rewards for doing so, but when you factor the undertone of an empty existence; your level of honor is past tense, your work ethic is trumped by YOLO, your desire to fight is barbaric, your desire to cultivate strong kids gets chided with cries of ‘Let your kids live their lives’, and your core being is treated as the scourge to be changed, why wouldn’t you shoot for bare minimum, if for nothing else to not deal with persecution and ridicule?
Although you didn’t directly address the answer to this question, as pleasures don’t appeal to every man. You did answer how to address the matter. It is all about progression, whatever that may mean or be for you. And doing it because you are willing to not listen to others and push for what you want. I may be extrapolating a conclusion you did not intend, but all the same, it is a conclusion I think you were heading towards. Great illustration of the effects of docile living and a great article overall.
Women simply cannot comprehend male simplicity.
We don’t need social validation in order to enjoy the things we enjoy.
Comprehend male simplicity? Women can’t comprehend the fucking remote to the tv or the thermostat. They are light years away from even acknowledging the existence of male simplicity.
Vive les choses simples!
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It’s good to have a couple of those in your stable, son.
Right next to the garage no doubt:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jcphw3pcbQI
Did that also mean that she was frigid, as well?
That’s disgusting and sexist. Keep up the good work.
You know they’re super size when the seatbelt goes underboob
I prefer keeping them in a pen. But to each his own.
Well read, she would a real Ice Queen bitch…
Vive vive vive les gros nichons, les pairs de seins come des ballons
uhnter-tit
bitch, your nipples are uneven!
Motion seconded!
If only it were a GIF, it would be perfect.
They’re not capable of abstract or original thinking. The greatest things in life ARE simple and direct. It took history’s greatest thinkers to discover that and tell us why. Women have to pile layer upon layer upon of things and confuse them, because that’s how their minds work and why they’re permanently unhappy. Women would be happy if we went back to the middle-ages with their positions in society. Like 5 year olds; little kids might demand things, but when a parent controls the situation the kids go back to feeling secure and comfortable. It’s too stressful for them to get their way all the time.
This is true as I believe men USED to have that innate quality of seeing the value and beauty of simplicity in the substance of a thing and not the form.
This has been hammered out of males now and it’s more and more rare to see it among them since mass feminization of society has been going full swing.
Theres a big ol tree outside my apt, and a bunch of orioles have been hanging around(I dont think they are native to my neck of the woods). Musta wasted 20 minutes watching bounce from branch to branch…quite enjoyable
That’s better that anything on TV.
I guess youve never watched “The Americans” 😉
I see far too many of those on a daily basis already.
seriously, a great show. Key takeaway for me: working for a govt, any govt, sucks. The amount of stress, on top of dealing with a family, aint worth it…
Wasted? Sounds like time well spent to me.
I have gotten into bird watching in the past few years. I even have some homing pigeons that I keep for dog training. They are enjoyable little creatures.
I think bird watching involves a pair of binoculars and a plan. Im more of an “incident bird starer”
incidental
I read that as “indecent bird starer”
Haha, yeah, I’m only at the throw the binocs and bird book in with the camping gear level.
I’ve seen you out there, plucking them with your eyes and licking your lips.
yup, thats me. every time a bird alights on a tree limb, I open my trench coat and flash em
I like bird watching too, my favourite are the great tits
I did too. Our minds might be missing a few wires.
Feminism might be telling you that when in reality it could be those wires are just connected to your balls.
Is your name tom?
Ball wires?! Things are getting hairy.
I like bird watching too.
And chick watching.
I love parrots notably the African grey. All other birds excluding Hawks and Eagles, are just going to be targets for my recurve bow or gun.
The simple things really are some of the most relaxing: watching birds, kicking back with your fishing line bobbing in a stream, sitting outside and listening to the sound of rain falling on a chilly evening…
Stepford Wives:2016 edition
Very nice.
You have so many wonderful pics. You are now my third best buddy.
Whatever happened to wet T-shirt competitions?1?
I miss those.
Remember “The Man Show”?
I’m talking with Adam and Jimmy…not whoever took over and pussified it.
That show would never get aired now. The 90’s really was the end of an era.
Niiiiice. What heaven must look like.
Corm to find out Jimmy is a leftist shill but Adam stayed red pill. He has a radio show calling out sjw nonsense.
Given the way they’re dressed, they’re going to score (in more ways than one…)
Oh I’ve watched many things bounce for hours and hours on end but it had nothing to do with birds though.
Please kind sir, what is this “bounce” of which you speak?
Thirty minutes gone! 😀
Prefer the bouncing boobs… but that’s just me.
I was alluding to boobs in my previous comment but GoingSane, you have made me a believer.
My kinda woman.
It is wonderful!
A few younger acquaintances rib us as old farts for engaging in the activity.
Whatever.
We’ve got all kinds of birds:
Woodpeckers, Wrens, Jays and Cardinals to Barred Owls, Hawks, Peregrine Falcons and Bald Eagles, just to name a few.
Now I’ve got to set up camp to shoot squirrels right through my kitchen window. Heard they go well with gravy.
And what we don’t spend on social validation (fancier shit, branded clothes, etc.) we put away for future use.
Like, say, a motorcycle. Or a fucking months-long trip around the world. Or just being able to say “fuck you” to the boss when the job becomes more trouble than it’s worth.
Yeah, I’ve been reading some of the stuff on RVF about approaching.. so many openers are just tailored to commenting on the woman’s brand of clothing or purse that she’s carrying (like “Oh Hey a BuFu backpack–you like it up the back?).. I’m like shit–I pay extra to NOT have text or labels on my clothes!
My casual shirt collection consists of a few fun tees (“If I’m ever on life support unplug me…then plug me back in. See if that works”) and close-fitting v-necks of various colors. I’ll bet that entire drawer cost less than anything a college hipster wears.
I feel the exact same way. I only wear clothes without any branding on it, which can be surprisingly hard to find sometimes. I like to wear nice, good quality stuff that lasts, but I’m not going to be a billboard for some company’s logo or symbol.
Yeah, although I’m guilty of wearing the logos of companies from places I’ve been. I wore a rum shirt from central America today and have a Tanzania beer shirt. I was thinking “is that just like poor third world people wearing Coca Cola gear?”
But these aren’t brands you can even buy here, I mainly just wear them because they are cool, unique things no one else has, and it shows I’ve been to interesting places. Plus, anyone who has ever visited will immediately come up and engage you in conversation about it.
I tend to wear suits most of the time. Been complimented many times. Guess I can use “suit game”.
My casual clothes are rarely used (except for yard-work, farting around the house, etc) and mostly over 5 years old. Last t shirt I got was for volunteering at a Japanese culture festival a few years back. Damn kanji.
Hell the sun out side could turn a shitty day into a better one.
Well, REAL men don’t need social validation at any rate.
Men’s ability to live very well on very little is something that most women (and especially feminists) can barely comprehend.
They, and society in general, have ignored it at their peril. The fish may not need a bicycle, but the bicycle doesn’t need much of anything at all.
Bicycles damn well sure don’t need fish; they’re too apt to leave slime trails on the seat…
Not to mention how smelly they are when they get old.
haha, ewwwwww…
Dude SOCIAL MEDIA traps every gender. its fucked up to s ee how obvious it got them by their neck and how they fell into this “Their life is perfect…mine is not…I gotta post so I can feel that cocaine like reward and validation” and thats the fact, its pretty much the feeling and excitement that social media gives you. after a w hile it becomes like a routine, but in reality its just temporary part of making a history of YOUR OWN individual life. Better save all this posting for future when you get a whole amount of images, pictures, wisdom etc . you know what I mean?
It just seems so lame to me to sit around liking everybody’s shit.
I know people who are total train wrecks but you’d never know it because their facebook page looks like they’re famous movie stars.
Their default mode is extravagence. While you’d be happy reading, or walking on the beach, they’re unable to see any pleasure in those things. If they go for a walk on a beach, there has to have been a lot of money spent to get them there and entertain to look forward to afterwards.
Lol. Just found this website. You dudes are fucking hilarious. Pretty sure women have understood male simplicity for a long time. We like to fuck, fight, eat and work. In general, men don’t understand women, which is why you have knee-jerk sites like this full of scared little boys trying to exert power in a world where they have very little. I get it. I dislike the victim culture too. I dislike the feminization of men and vilification of masculinity. But I will support Clinton, gay rights, less war, and yes, equal treatment of the sexes (gasp!). This is coming from a 32 year old former marine, who now makes good money framing luxury homes, with a sweet southern girlfriend who cooks four nights a week. You dudes sound like you’ve seen fight club way too many times, and probably spend your days coding at a desk in your khakis, silently seething about having to take orders from your female boss with more experience than you. Relax brah, it’ll be okay
I’ll speak for myself that I’m trying to work towards the kind of life that you describe, but it takes time. No southern belles where I’m from dude.
I’ve personally seen guys lose their jobs from false-rape accusations, and I’ve seen media propaganda be created in real-time.
If you’re in a good spot that’s great man, but I think you might be out of touch.
And I agree that women are well aware of male simplicity, but I don’t think many of them can truly empathize with how we think.
Finally, I don’t get why you’d be supportive of gay marriage, Hillary Clinton, and everyone having voting rights when it conflicts with our long-term interests as men. I believe feminine leadership is leading Europe straight to hell.
While I disagree with you on the premise of feminine leadership being inherently bad (people in positions of power have generally fucked us, they’ve all been men), I do appreciate that your response is measured, without a bunch of slurs or one liners.
I guess what I don’t get is why this has to be such a big deal. To me, all men in power = no good, all women in power also = no good. Both sexes are different. I don’t believe in this whole “a woman can do anything a man can do” crap, nor do I believe a man can do everything a woman can do. Women have been subjegated and abused for thousands of years, and I support them standing up and saying yeah, you fuckers, I’m just as important as you. They are. Women literally create men. Both by giving birth and raising them to be men. I can’t do that.
I guess the problem I have is how people fight about it. Men are physically stronger, generally more practical, and also more stoic, which isn’t a bad thing. Women are more caring, more in touch with their emotions and more intuitive. There are shitty ass humans from both sexes.
I think feminism is good, if it takes a form that empowers women without diminishing or belittling men. As in, “yeah, I’m a white male, but I’m from the backwoods of Pennsylvania, I worked hard to get where I’m at and I still have to work hard every day, probably til I’m 70. I get hurt often. My glovebox is basically all band aids, gauze, electrical tape and Advil”. The things I do building custom homes in the mountains, 5 days a week, %99.9 of women can’t do. It takes strength to carry an 80lb sheet of fascia 35 feet up a ladder, then hold it above your head with one hand and nail it with the other. I’m a decently strong guy, but I’ve had to yell for help several times on this last build. Chicks could not do it.
But women are good in so many places we aren’t. I don’t just mean the kitchen or doggy style. These chicks have been managing households, or watching their moms or grandmothers manage households for thousands of years. They know how to control the chaos. If your 90 year old grandma tells you to set the table, you’re doing it.
In my opinion, and maybe not in yours, we need a collective between our strengths. Both sexes have strengths and weaknesses. We’re equal, but we’re not the same. If we could combine our strengths, I think we might have a chance of turning this whole thing around. As equals.
I get why you’re pissed off. I am too, and I’m a pussy ass democrat. Men shouldn’t be shamed for being men, unless they’re actively fucking other people over solely because they have a dick between their legs. To me, women do need things like equal pay for equal work. That’s common sense. If you run a tech company, or a deli, or whatever the fuck else, or work for one doing the same job, pay should be equal. Now, if you brought a girl into my line of work, which is building custom homes, she should get paid less if she can’t do the physical work. Common sense. If they can, and they’re good, they should have the job. Like the female Marines who got through ITB, or that ranger girl. As a former marine, I can garuntee those girls are harder than most any dude who’s ever been through those programs.
In any case, (admittedly I’ve had a few whiskeys, gf is outta town, hence the LONG ass response) please don’t think I’m here to insult you. I’m interested in debate, not yelling platitudes at each other. Hope all is well in “superman world” 😁
I’m too tired to respond to all your points, but if you’re interested in why we at ROK are skeptical of women’s liberation check out this video. Doesn’t cover everything but it presents an argument that deserves a response.
Cheers.
You are out of your mind.
White Knight detected.
Guys like you ARE the problem.
White Knight, or a feminist troll pretending to be a man…
like THAT hasn’t happened before.
So true, Very well said.
Which is why you wankers all flock together to worship at your master Roosh’s feet. You dozey buggers keep me laughing.
Excellent points. Males can live comfortably on around 30% of their productivity. Living the minamalist lifestyle is something I highly advocate since as this article elucidates, it puts more of the weight on these whores shoulders.
And that is what I want to see. The weight of all their horrible choices to come crashing down on their bitch asses.
That’s called justice. For every man that drops out of the rat race, that’s one less man that could support a baby murdering whore.
Let these women climb their corporate jobs stepping over men the entire way up, only to find the bitter loneliness and empty hole inside filled with drugs, dildos and bad food to comfort them until the reaper calls them to hell.
To be honest, a smart young man can do this in an anti-fragile way that can put him in a really good place. Go do some high-paying, long-hour seasonal work for a couple years (fishing boat, oil rig, etc.) and build up a nest egg. Then buy a couple properties at a sheriff’s sale, fix them up a little, and live off the rent. A good friend of mine bought an older 5-bedroom house for about $55k cash near the local hospital. He gutted it out completely, and turned it into 4 2-bedroom apartments. Did most of the work himself – learned how to do all the plumbing, dry-wall and flooring stuff from these 3-day workshops Home Depot was doing for free. He had to pay an electrician to come in and rewire everything, but he worked with the guy and learned how to do most of that, as well. Bought old appliances from a rent-to-own place, cleaned them up and repainted them. Then he moved into one of the apartments, rented out the other 3. None of his tenants know he owns the place, they just think he gets a break on his rent for helping out the owner and do small repairs around the place. Rents to nurses and hospital staff for about $1000 a month, including utilities, cable and wireless internet. Paid off his truck and a little debt after the first 2 years, and then bought an old house across the street using his place as part of the collateral. Did the same thing there. He still has a mortgage on the second place, but makes decent money after taxes. No boss, no co-workers, he can pick his tenants/neighbors, works when he wants (except for the random flooded toilet in the middle of the night), etc. Pretty nice life. Added benefit: easy access to lots of nursing student poosy.
Sounds like a great set up and I agree. Males can form many counter cultural lifestyles in te current climate. Which is why I recommend minimalism so you can save up and invest in other opportunities to improve yourself and your tribe.
Sure sounds like a great setup that he has…I just hope that he makes sure that he keeps his finances secret from any women. Women HATE “selfish” men who won’t “share” his money with them.
Hear hear. I’m doing the same thing to disconnect from society and letting women try to run it. They can do it for a while, lifted by spite (which is the only thing that motivates females to actually work over a long period of time (education is not a long period of time)), but after max a generation society crumbles and they will of course blame anyone but themselves. Only fe-male.
Keep pushing and keep that middle finger plunged into the unhinged eyes of these snarky cunts with perma resting bitch face.
Keep in mind also that this is made possible solely because of weak faggot males. Either the elite few who are invested with State-Corp to pump out all the useless products and pass all the legislation that ensures you cannot be an authentic man at any time in any place.
Or the brain dead majority of sex crazed, dopamine over saturated males, thirsty as FUCK to have a few scraps of road worn pussy.
They have allowed and enabled this to happen all for wanton and impotent greed.
I am standing on the sidelines laughing while I toss kerosene on the fire. The bloody weight of countless men who have had their lives ruined and millions and millions of dead babies are crying out from their early graves saying this
THERE IS BLOOD ON THE HANDS OF EVERY MODERN WHORE.
Your day is coming and I’m going to have ALOT of laughs.
I like your style. People on this site need to realize one of the major roots of the SJW of beta males are from aging fathers
I really like your opinion, but let me tell that this is a battle lost unless we men unite and control law and goverment again.
Or we make new laws and form new governments which represent us.
On the men unite I absolutely agree. We all must realize what is at stake here. Not just you or me but all of us and any possibility of a future to spread our seed and flourish with masculine roles and identity for men.
I don’t feel I need to fix the deformed and dying monstrosity that is the western world and thus enable it to huff along on life support.
The best thing to do would be to cut the fucking cord and burn this bitch down. After the ashes are all but swept away we can talk about this restructuring business.
The weak fathers who consumed the media poison of “free love” from the sexual revolution and the quickly downward spiraling decency of the women paralleled by the increasing political and economic power this gave over their wandering bitches completely ruined them.
Its a fucking MORON that looks at the benign and momentary pleasure of instant gratification and assumes if he is allowed to splurge on it this is some great benefit to him.
Its motherfuckers like that who need to fucking expire already. Just pathetic.
Just get yourself into the mindset of ignoring them and becoming indifferent to them; NOTHING both upsets them and scares them at the same time more than a man who is indifferent and couldn’t care less about them.
I couldn’t live like this, but would be lying if I said it wasn’t tempting. The fact that my biggest temptation is dropping out of society, gaining 100 pounds, being drunk, unhealthy, playing video games and saying fuck you to the world is very telling.
I’d go stir crazy. I maybe watch an episode of some show collection on Netflix a night. If I am not actively producing something, e.g. food, art, home repairs, I feel like crap.
Robert Nosick’s Experience Machine (basically the plot for The Surrogates and The Matrix) would be adopted by almost everyone, if invented.
Where I live — Long Island, NY, a relatively expensive place — if three men each working 40 hours per week at the minimum wage are willing to share a rented house, they can afford a near to middle-class lifestyle with very few omissions. They might have to settle for one or two used cars, to be shared among them. They wouldn’t eat in restaurants very often. But theirs would be a well-above-subsistence existence. If you can do it on Long Island, you can do it nearly anywhere in these United States.
I haven’t observed such arrangements very often…but the demonstrable practicality underlines the author’s point about how easy it is to disdain achievement and settle for a low grade of comfort. And yes: To him who is willing to say to himself “No woman and no family, now and forever,” it can look ominously appealing.
Sister’s friend is about to get married. She and shlubby hubby to be just bought a 3 bedroom apt. I asked why- they dont need it. “She wants to have a family.” I knew her age, that is why I asked(she is 39, wants a family-now).
Female Reasoning: Well now that my vagina looks like the blown out end of a practical joke cigar the childbirth will be a cinch. Why, there was that guy who double fisted me last year…that had to be bigger than a baby and I barely felt it.
Such a meanie. Shes a cool chick. I honestly blame tabloids for putting forth the idea women can have kids- forever. No way Anniston at 48 is pregnant- she is wearing a fake baby bump, and surrogate is having it for her…
Or if it true and her biology is clinging to its last hope, then that baby is gonna come out as powder or it comes out looking like smeegol
if she attention whores with a still born I will totally say you are right. It is like when Angelina Jolie had fake cancer in order to get her tits done and be called brave and feminist all at the same time.
IVF and pharmaceutical hormone pills are a big boon.
The ONLY way that she’ll ‘get a family – NOW’ is if she either adopts, hires a surrogate, or has her eggs frozen somewhere.
Women can get pregnant at 40. It’s just not easy.
She could have a fine kid with no genetic damage. They could’ve just got the two bedroom though because she likely isn’t having more then one. All woman I know who waited until their late thirties and forties only were capable of one child and not without a few miscarriages, before or after.
She should see a fertility clinic mainly because they can double check for genetic damage.
In her defense, if she wants a child ‘now’ is the time to get copulating. Most woman are well aware of the difficulty in conceiving at old age. He’ll be dealing with days of crying, lamenting every time they pass a stroller, and baby-craziness until she gets a positive test.
In the meantime, he’ll be having sex like a rabbit.
This isnt a sound reproductive strategy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3ykWbu2Gl0
I never claimed it was a good one, merely possible.
Sounds like a trap
I made a similar post, where I live a good lifestyle, including eating out at nice restaurants, living in an upscale part of town for less than the OP. How? Twofold. One I paid for my house and car in cash and two if you live a simple life, you really don’t need that much money, as the author broke down. I cook most of my meals, which gives me a HIGHER quality food than if I ate out all the time. I grow some food in my garden, same outcome. I walk or bike around town, which makes me more healthy. I don’t buy shit I don’t need because it clutters my life and it’s expensive.
I’m not sure it’s accurate to say men aren’t doing this yet though. I’ve heard stats for years that something like a quarter of 30 year olds are living at home with their parents, etc.
Note: The math is wrong on the taxes, someone earning less than $30,000 probably won’t pay any income taxes, and will only pay some payroll “FICA” tax that is for medicare and social security when you retire. It should be roughly half what the article quoted.
No he’s correct on the taxes. My bro makes around 28k and since he has no deductions, he pays a nice 6-7k to the gubmint every April.
Using this calculator with the defaults, a $30k a year income owes $1,800 in taxes. And it’s not hard to have a few deductions–you even get some deductions based on your state’s local tax rate now I think. You shouldn’t be paying any income tax unless you make at least $20 or $25k. (The calculator shows a $500 tax bill on $20k of income). Remember, the majority of Americans pay no federal income tax (so if you’re earning median wages or below, you shouldn’t either). I’ve done it making two or three times that much before (with deductions and a personal business with expenses).
I bet if your brother bought a $30 turbo tax, he could reduce his tax payments to almost zero, or at least see how to do so the following year (may need to open a retirement account or something, but that’s wise anyway).
https://www.calcxml.com/calculators/federal-income-tax-calculator
Technically correct. You get a single deduction and single exemption, then you will need to factor state or local income tax in.
Also, keep in mind that you have to pay SS and medicare. If the guy’s bro is self employed, that’s 15.3% he has to pay in addition to income tax. That’s $4,284 on $28,000 in income.
Hopefully if you’re self employed you are making more than $28,000. The rule of thumb I always heard was that you should shoot for making about 1/3 more than working for a company, to allow for the fringe benefits, paid time off, etc. that an employer gives you. So if you earn $30k a year at your current company, you will need about $40k a year to maintain the same purchasing power if self employed (to fund a retirement account, payroll taxes, paid vacation and sick leave time, health care, insurance, and basic materials and office equipment like computer, phone, etc.). Of course, money is not the only reason to be self employed. And there are far more writeoffs available to the self employed vs the employee.
Everyone gets personal exemption of $4k and standard deduction of 6.3k. That leaves 17.7k in taxable income. The first 9224 is at 10% so $922. The rest is at 15% or $1,271. That means his total tax bill is ~$2.2k without itemized taxes, 401k deduction, or any tax credits. Even adding in 7.65% for social security and medicare, that brings his total federal, including retirement benefits, to $4.3k. Assuming 5% state taxes after $5k standard deduction, brings his entire state, federal, and retirement taxes to around $5.4k and 40% of that is retirement benefits that he’ll get far more out of it per dollar than I do at the top end of the SS bracket. And that’s *Worst* case scenario in taxes. If he contributes to a 401k, his total tax burden would be significantly lower.
Since I filed my first paper 1040 on my own this year (without an accountant) and I had all the calculations and documents at hand, I checked your math and you’re dead on. You get a solid up vote for due diligence.
To me this can and does get scaled to a more accurate minimum over her in the other side of the pond.
Call centers are staffed by nerds who take home ~1250€ a month after tax if lucky, most live in student rooms or apartments in rent range below $600 often by a LOT. And they but microwave meals or cheap take out or cook crap and spend max 5€ per day on meals. And they have no gas bills, or utility bills because only middle class have cars here.
These guys save a LOT compared to even guys like me with double the take home pay simply by elimininating shit they don’t need or can have.
Most don’t have a degree, or a drivers license, or any specific skills so they will do this until they retire, and to me in a way the saddest moment ever was when one of our call agents retired. Yes, the motherfucker answered calls from customers for most of his life and he retired at 65 with a pension so low he has to find some kind of work.
I work in this kind of environment but not in that position, I’m a systems integration specialist so I have to make the systems of the outsourcing client companies be able to interface with others.
That’s reminds me the meaning of the word FICA in italian language.. LoL
Holy shit the picture! Didn’t even get to the article but holy SHIT!
I myself don’t see the benefits of being a wage slave and providing for a family. I make around 20$ an hour in a field where I’m not likely to ever be out of a job. I work 80% of full-time usually five 12 hour shifts in a row then I’m free 4-7 days afterwards.
I don’t own a car, live in a rental apartment in a low crime area, have few expenses, got lots of free time to workout, ride my bike and play games on my computer. I don’t need to work more and can still afford what I want. Sure, I could make more money if I wanted to but I don’t really feel it’s worth it.
Having a son grow up before your eyes is something I can’t explain to you, because you have no frame of reference to understand. It’s worth it.
I understand perfectly, and if male-female relations were different I would most certainly be a father. It’s not that I don’t want to but as I have seen from my own parents relationship, my friends parents relationships, peoples family relations at large and my close married friends relations. Having a family in this day and age, atleast for a man, is like placing three rounds in a six round revolver, spinning the chamber, then pointing it at your head and pulling the trigger.
It is understandable. The russian roulette with 3 slugs in the 6 cylinder pistol parabel is astute. It matches current divorce rates.
I feel the exact same way… I grew up watching all the men in my family go through divorce and dysfunctional women, including my parents. I’m passing my adult years watching my best friends become shells as their wives slowly drain them financially, mentally, and emotionally. There was one buddy and his wife that gave me real hope. He was a strong man and set boundaries right away and she was the type of girl that enjoyed taking care of the household, cooking, and working on small projects for money. The marriage looked good… appealing even… for a couple of years. Just the other day he told me he was exhausted. I guess she is constantly pushing him and he has to constantly maintain those boundaries. He isn’t sure how much longer he can keep it up and has already given in at vital times. I can’t imagine it lasting more than a couple more years.
The thing most men don’t realise is that when a guy has a relationship with a woman it’s not solely with her. It’s with her close friends, her family, her colleagues at work and women in society at large.
What a guy would not discuss with anyone but his closest friends, a woman would spill to anyone who would listen.
And they all give her advice on how to act and behave in her relationship. Because she herself is insecure and feels she must rely on the opinions of others rather than her self. This is the heart of the problem.
Yes. I certainly feel a bit of freedom. Its not perfect but it will do:
As a single man I can go live in the mountains/my apartment and contemplate the meaning of existance/ play xbox and masturbate. I can really harness my chi now whereas with all that career crap I would have had to crunch numbers all day long and go home with a headache and, god knows, if i had a wife, listen to her complain while she secretly text messages other guys.
All this freedom has me stoked though.
Just sliding by on minimal effort has been the way of the lazy fuck for thousands of years. The differences now are:
1. A welfare safety net in case you get a bit too lazy
2. A lack of criticisms and rejection by society
Lazy, worthless bums used to be scorned by productive members of society. Now we have commie politicians telling them how they deserve their fair share.
MAN UP you ‘lazy, worthless bums’ who used to be scorned… you’ve just been scorned again – so – MAN UP!
Feel the BERN!!
I realized one big problem we have. Men generally work to maintain a family, but women on the other hand want more shit and fancier shit all the time. So actually it kind of works as an unholy balance from the depths of hell.
Now that women can just go out and worm to get the trinkets and shit, and the validation is available at a swipe, they even more see no point for men to be a permanence in their lives.
To them no system is required to ensure reproductive success and knowing its your offspring. That’s inbuilt.
So basically we are fooked if we don’t break this circle.
My brother basically does this. Works at a local warehouse 40 hours a week (which keeps him in shape), then basically nuts around on his computer in his ample free time. Nice apartment, reliable (and paid-off) car, and no real stress in his life. He’s not exactly red pill since he tends to pedestalize women, but he also just pays for a pro once or twice a month instead of being someone’s beta bitch.
I can’t fault his strategy, as the computer stuff makes him happy the same way expensive power tools and German sports cars make me happy. Offered him a job in my business once, but he turned it down because he didn’t want the responsibility. If I hadn’t married a foreign gal, I’d probably be doing the same thing as him.
Where are guys paying for pros in the US? CL? BP? Seeking arrangements? I’m thankfully at the point where I can mostly do without until my next trip abroad, maybe pulling some college ass occasionally, but am curious about how this underground system works in the locked down USA.
No idea, I haven’t asked him. Only reason I know is because I brushed past one of them coming out of his place at 11a on a Sunday morning, lol. I was like, whoa that your girlfriend, and he was like nah just for last night.
Raleigh, NC fwiw.
Not happy with the marriage then?
I’m of the opinion that thinking men need to do a bit more than sleep, shit, eat, but and then die with no offspring or anything else left to show for it. But that’s just me.
You are not red pill if you pay to fuck women, save the money and just pick up some skank in a bar or some dumb student in a artsy cafe, it’s not that fucking hard.
That’s just my opinion and maybe you guys value pussy higher.
As the saying goes – you’re not paying for the sex, you’re paying for her to leave.
You also don’t have to worry about them falsely crying “rape!” because their friends talked them into it later.
I’m fine with marriage, but I think I got lucky. We’re trying for kids but if we don’t end up having them I’ll be ok with that since I’m already in my 40s with more hobbies than I know what to do with.
My business takes up most of my time, but I don’t kid myself that it actually means anything. It’s just something to do in order to get stuff to show off, lol.
Go to tests or IVF or whatever the heck people do these days.
My wife got pregnant a little over a month after our wedding :-P, old school.
We are both 35+, and I told her if it doesn’t hit goal in maximum 6 months we are going to the doctors to see what we can do.
There was no need..
Yep, most men will opt out and live the minimalist lifestyle if there is little reason to “man up”.
The final blow will be vr porn. Once sex with a virtual 10 pornstar is better than the sex with irrational effort to bang a social media addicted, overweight, careerist, 6.6 woman that men generally see when they go out… the game will be over for the ladies. Men will check out.
I think the biggest savings here will be the time involved. Sure, some guys will always want the real thing. But when you realize you can sit in your own place and have a VR quickie with a girl hotter than anyone in your city, or you can go out hunting, approaching, collecting numbers, texting, setting up dates, wining, dining, flirting, kissing, making logistics, planning and executing interesting conversations, always staying happy and positive and upbeat, and finally hopefully sealing the deal, it’s not going to be worth it in the majority of cases. I would estimate VR porn would satisfy over 90% of guys sexual needs. Not to mention it would be instant gratification.
I’ve already been contacted by an up and coming VR company to make 3D girls for these games. They’ve successfully raised near 100k for this first interactive media experience.
fascinating- is 100k a decent amount for a first round of funding?
Yes, they actually had to halt production for the first series line cause the demand was too high.
Hey man I’m currently working on a WebGL interactive app project.
I’m going to be starting a thesis on VR coming Sept. It’d be nice to have a red-pill contact in the design scene.
If you’re interested let me know I’ll share some contact info.
Sure you have an email that i can contact you with?
there will be connoisseurs in the future :-). those like many who still prefer the old ways, who will clandestinely learning game and meeting real girls and exchanging real biological juices :-).
I predict that 200-300 years from now people will laugh at the fact that a man and woman would have physical sex. It will be a novelty, nothing more.
It doesn’t even have to be better. If the sex with the porn star, created woman, celebrity or, god this would be cool, anyone you pick in RL, is indistinguishable from the absolute act there will be about a 5 year farewell to society.
If I can put on a helmet and bone Giada Delaurentis in her kitchen from Food Tv and I can’t tell it isn’t real then I am going to fucking starve to death
Yeah if people are too addicted to StarCraft to remember to eat, there will definitely be some deaths from VR porn.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4137782.stm
Blizzard seems to make some of the most addicting games and that’s coming from personal experience.
some? some deaths. Are you saying that “some” people will die if they can put on a helmet and have a meal with their 3 favorite celebrities and then fuck them 8 ways to Tuesday and never be able to tell that they aren’t handsome and satiated and actually getting laid…it won’t be some…it will be close enough to all that the difference won’t matter
Bethesda. I don’t even like games, but those elder scrolls games I will play.
Cant imagine you leveling up for hours. I have a soft spot for the Metal Gear Solid games…
When the knee incident happened which gave birth to my moniker I could barely move. I snapped my ACL MCL LCL and tore meniscus in same knee. Had a use a piece of hamstring to tie the fucker back together. I spent about 8 months devouring enough oxycodone, hydrocodone, morphine and pretty much any other pain killer I could get and laying on the sofa. Work sent a car for me in the morning and dropped me off at home until I was able to start crutching my way to the subways again.
This was right at the time that Skyrim had become popular. Between pity blowjobs I got online through match.com, delivery food and groceries, enough pain killers to kill an ox and skyrim I made the best of a bad situation.
It’s funny, I don’t know if I would enjoy that game sober but I loved the fuck out of it and felt it was incredibly interesting on pain meds.
Yeah, I made the mistake of playing Skyrim for a bit once. Very easy to see how it can becoming addicting, it’s so real. Same with the Fallout games from 3 forward. Can suck you right the fuck in.
see comment blow. You get really sucked in when standing is hard and pain killers are freely prescribed.
So when you played, you kind of sympathized with the guard who was an adventurer once, until he took an arrow to the knee, I take it?
All the time. Ha.
Honestly, you probably wouldnt have- I had surgery around the time the miami GTA came out, taking painkillers, thought driving around was the best. thing. ever.
I went through a phase during and slightly after college where I was a World Of Warcraft addict. That shit rots the brain.
And I hear that chicks really don’t respond well to being told that you have a level 60 night elf druid. No idea why.
Nah, fuck the Alliance. I was Horde through and through. Blood elf death knight.
See? Even my eyes are glazing over with that shit.
Hence why I got out of it. An utter time sink.
You need to use that line on a chick you’re trying to bed.
Their opinion shouldn’t matter though:
To be fair, I can’t blame them on that.
There are worse ways to die
Skryim is actually pretty red pill.
Oh man. I still remember the Diablo 1 & 2 especially & Starcraft series (1 & 2) from my senior high school & college days.
The power of addiction to quality games is real.
I think I played almost every blizzard game out there….everything Warcraft related, sc 1&2, and Diablo 1&2. Never got 3. I even played rock and roll racing back on the sega Genesis. Hah
Heh. You go further back than me. Oh man, I forgot there was a Diablo 3. Had rather gone off the boil with video games by then. Those were some memorable & frustrating times (wont deny utilizing cheat codes for some of the insanely hard Starcraft campaigns, haha).
But I don’t regret moving on to more productive things.
I cheated on SC1 just for fun. My crowing achievement for SC2 was beating the Terran campaign on brutal difficulty. That damn near made me want to throw the laptop into the dumpster. Like you though, I’ve moved on to bigger and better things.
Skyrim was a master piece. You dont have to be a gamer to appreciate the sheer scope of creation, talent and heart that went into that game. Honestly, if it does not consume you, I think playing some video games makes you smarter. You have to adapt and learn new ways of thinking and perceiving. Not to mention the fact that playing and elder scrolls game is like reading a book virtually. The quality of dialogue in those games are astounding.
It’s not a bad thing, its just about balance. Out of curiosity, I always saw you as an older bloke, but how old are you? The way you speak makes me think your in your fifties but then you say you do things that a younger man would normally do.
I’m in my 40’s. I’m just a bit more observant and intelligent than the average person, and am well read, so my written tone comes across as more mature than a person my age.
When rats are given the choice between sex and food. They starve to death.
I still say the sexbot will change the entire human culture. VR will always just be a video-game. The sexbot will be physically and emotionally interactive. People say “They can’t make them look or feel real enough.” But all they have to do is get close. A next-gen self-lubricating fleshlight and a pair of silicone tits under a self-warming layer of faux skin. If the sexbot is programmed to say the right things, act the right way, and respond to you in the right manner, your imagination will fill in the details. People fall in love with made up “catfish” over the internet. I guarantee people will be marrying their sexbots and treating them like real human beings in no time at all. Plus, while you’re at poker night with the boys, she’ll be home cooking, cleaning and doing your laundry, not out screwing an entire biker gang while nagging you to mow the lawn via text message.
Make sure she’s UL certified. An electric shock after you’ve “made a deposit” would be very unpleasant!
But then you need an artificial womb and the donation of material to complete the child, like an egg… It is very hard to get adoption agencies to adopt to a single parent no matter how much money is made. Many men I have heard dismiss adoption because the child is not of their blood.
VR will not satisfy those who want a child. So you have a child…
What is your child is born female instead of male, how do you explain why she should not feel inferior to a VR pornstar? Because she is alive? What’s that matter?
I don’t think VR would solve anything long term and it opens a whole new can of worms. In the short term, it would provide a release until that man starts swooning after children.
Maybe VR Porn will be the kick start women need to become more feminine/pretty and less bitchy.
And if that day comes, who is going to be in a better situation reap the new crop of beautiful women? Jobless, homeless losers, or the men who kept their shit together?
I worked a minimum wage job for a few yrs. Managed to save over 13k. A single guy should strive for being at least a minimalist. Enjoy a simple life.
What most people don’t realize is how little you actually need to survive. Men are highly adaptable creatures, and if you take something away from us (Let’s say cable TV) we’ll figure out another way to get it or, even better, to realize it’s not a necessity and learn to live without it.
I’m a perfect example of this. I make around a poverty level salary, yet I’m able to live comfortably in NYC, one of the most expensive places in the country to live. People are confused as to how I can do this, but it’s simple – I cut out most bullshit expenditures and can therefore afford to technically live above my means. I cook all my own food and rarely go out to eat, spending between $25-50/week on food. I get all my clothes off-season so they’re discounted. My gym membership is to the cheapest gym around. If I go out to bars I buy the cheapest beer they have. And if I need something expensive I comparison shop online until I can find the best deal possible and then buy it.
The thing is that quality of life is relative to a lot of people. Before I moved to NYC I met a girl who lived with her parents in Brooklyn and, in one conversation, mentioned she was making $32k a year but was still saving up to move out. I assumed the city was way too fucking expensive and I’d never be able to afford it with my meager salary as a freelancer since this girl was still at home making $32k. The thing I didn’t count on is that this girl had expensive tastes. I bet she spent most of her income on shoes and clothes and fancy $15 cocktails at nightclubs. That shit all adds up – She was making $32k and was pretty much broke, but if I made $32k and lived as frugally as I do now I could live like a king. A lot of people also spend what they have. A friend of mine makes close to 6-figures as a cop, yet he’s broke a lot of the time. This is because he pays a lot in rent, buys new cars regularly, and goes on expensive vacations with his gf several times a year. He has the money so he spends it, and in the end we’re probably in the same boat financially even though he makes several times more than me. See also the family with the McMansion and Escalade who appear to be well-to-do but are drowning in debt and may have a lower overall net worth than a burger flipper at McDonald’s who makes minimum wage but has no debt.
I also have to say that even though I’m technically poverty level I have very little stress. Meanwhile, a friend of mine makes 6 figures as an accountant and has tons of money but he’s fucking miserable. He works 12 hour days, sometimes has to work weekends, and he hates what he does. The only reason he chose this career was because of the money, but the toll it’s taking on his sanity and health isn’t actually work it. He’s basically just counting the years until he can retire. Meanwhile, I made a career out of a hobby. It doesn’t pay much, but I actually enjoy doing it and want to do it forever. I can’t even imagine the though of retiring. So my accountant friend might have more instant reward with his money, but I’ll have more long-time reward when I’m 60 and not a miserable shell of a human.
I’ve done the math before and you can retire on a million dollars working a full time job at McDonalds if you start in high school. This was before the financial crash.. I might have used an 8% return on investments, but I think over the long run that would still hold true… The rat race is not worth it, and you can be emotionally happier but even financially wealthier than people making much more than you. I really liked the book “The Millionaire Next Door”–basically how frugal guys are rich but you never know it.
But don’t you feel the pull to propagate your genetics? Make a her of little spicynujacs to unleash on the world? Boys and girls with the proper attitude?
Just wondering, I sure do, and if you keep your wife pregnant most of the time you can rationalize her nonsensical behavior with the pregnancy. I am not a fan of her mood swings when she’s not baking a new copy of me but when she is I am much more inclined to just ignore it.
The old saying that the true place and position of a woman is barefoot, pregnant and in he kitchen… I’m more modern, she wears slippers.
In my 40s probably will do that.
If you’re good biologically with your health etc, no rubber blast 1-2 days past her period will do it. It did for me.
Oh and for gods sake never take a wife who has or is on the pill – fuck that shit. Only girls who have never been on it are wife material imo.
Absolutely never consider a girl on the pill for a wife unless you want to basically have the worst experience ever, she will fucking hate you once she is off the pill, it flips the hormones completely.
But what worked for me was just being myself around her, and her period miraculously became stable like a clock, then time the shot hehe.
Good wife material girls for us older gentlemen are ones who maybe had a failed go at marriage, maybe one involving action. But that resulted in nothing, no kids no marriage.
Yeah, it’s stuff like this that I *knew* before even discovering the red pill that makes it just resonate with you. I dated a cunty career woman in a major metropolis, and didn’t like the fact that she was on the pill. I just wanted her to go off temporarily, you know so I could experience what the “real” her was like, when she wasn’t having her brain altered by the daily hormone interference of the artificial pill. She would have none of it. Even got one of her “female doctor” friends take me to lunch and explain how there was nothing wrong with it, and it was perfectly normal and natural to use.
She had all the stereotypical problems we have here, and should be hitting the wall any day now (Did I mention said girl had a dried up cyst-y uterus?). Then you discover the red pill and all the stuff your subconscious KNEW is confirmed and verified.
I’ve heard it said the easiest way to amass wealth is to save and not spend. Like I said before, people will spend what they have, and if they get a raise then chances are they’ll spend that extra money proportionally instead of saving it. Look at everyone who recently got their tax returns. Did they save it? Fuck no, most people use that money to fund vacations or buy an XBox or other things they don’t actually need.
And to do this sooner rather than later. Saving $20 a month from age 20 is FAR more valuable than saving $50 a month at age 30.
I read an Australian survey where every respondent said that an extra $10,000 p.a. would help them out enormously. This is, people on social security AND people on 6 figures needed just a little more to make them happy. Millionaire next door is a great book
Reminds me of this article: http://www.esquire.com/lifestyle/money/a44086/four-men-four-numbers/
And it shows what we’re both talking about. The guy making $7/hour says that to have the life he wants he’d need to make $50-60k a year. A modest salary. But the guy making $1 million a year says he’d need to save $25 million to have the life he wants. I wonder if he could survive on $60k to have the life the minimum wage guy wants.
But in the end you don’t need that much to survive. At $50k a year you can afford to feed, clothe, and house yourself and have money for savings if you’re frugal. The millionaire doesn’t need that much for those basic needs, his goal is to just maintain his lifestyle. But an apartment and a mansion still serve the same purpose, and a 20-year-old Ford serves the same purpose as a Lamborghini, so logically speaking getting the higher end stuff is just status whoring and isn’t any more efficient. Warren Buffett is one of the richest people on the planet and he drives an old pickup truck and lives in the same ranch style house he’s had for 60 years.
Depends on your expected return. At 6% return, the second scenario would yield around 74k vs 56k for the first. 7% is 92k for second scenario vs 76k in first. You need to assume over 9% CAGR to ge tthe first scenario to be better. Given ZIRP environment, I’d estimate 5-7% returns. But definitely true the earlier, the better.
People like that don’t realise that a tax refund/return is just that. You’re getting back money that you already spent on something else that you needed to buy due to your job. It’s not free money that you then piss away.
Agreed; your “refund” is just THAT — a REFUND of YOUR money that you earned and overpaid to the government.
Your refund is NOT “free money” — it is YOUR money that you “loaned” to the government last year for free.
It would take 66.3 years with a static minimum wage and zero cost of living at 40 hours a week to earn 1 million from McDonalds.
Of course, hopefully you’d move to manager or into Corporate by 66 years of service to McD’s.
Managers make 10.16 per hour. It’d take 47.3 years to earn 1 million as a manager.
Entry-level Exec seems to start at around 16ish. So about 30 years.
Management and Corporate is reserved for relatives/friends of the owners of that particular franchise.
The days of the best man getting the job have long gone brother.
http://www.bankrate.com/calculators/retirement/retirement-plan-calculator.aspx
The main reason this works in the power of compound interest. Assuming an annual salary of $16,640, if one saves 15% of one’s income, and starts at age 15, using the default assumptions about investing, one will have $1.3m at age 65. That’s only saving $200 a month, which is doable, even if you are on a low budget. Not easy, but certainly possible.
Expensive vacations another reason not to get married
I realized once I became an adult and lived on my own that single guys really don’t go on vacation, this is mainly the domain of women. Funny how men typically have the harder jobs yet women are all about vacations and massages and paying to be pampered.
Not true. I know guys who save and go to various places around the world to surf or scuba dive. But they don’t stay in resorts, they stay in little run-down off the beaten path places, eat on the local economy. Single guys don’t need plush accommodations. They actually manage to travel for very little.
Any single man can forgo living independently. Just live in your old bedroom. You don’t even need to change out the childhood décor. Pay a bare minimum in rent to your parent(s). They’ll appreciate the extra spending cash. It gets even better if you have a professional job. More money to spend on yourself.
Hehe yep, good for those who still have parents and/or those parents still have their old rooms.
Not sure but to me this sounds rather rare…
Several years ago, I suggested my parents let me pay to build my own detached garage apartment above their car park (maybe cost $40,000 for a nice big one) so I could live on their property, but in my own space. You could share one power bill, water bill, internet service, landscaping / lawn maintenance, property tax bill, etc. They didn’t go for it, so I got my own place. But I could have lived like a king with even lower monthly expenses than I have now.
When it came time to sell the house, this would be a selling point, as many homes in the area have rentable garage apartments, which are an income stream for the buyer (or mother in law suite). I estimate it would have increased the value of the home at least $30k, therefore costing $10,000 for free housing in perpetuity for me, which is what some people pay in rent in a year.
tfw the hq of neocucksculinity is advocation for MGTOW
So….English is not your first language I take it?
Not sure it’s even his second…
I like the cool kind of zen “omfgwtfbbq” thing his syntax and spelling have going on though.
think of it as greentext
What kind of drink would you like then?
The equivalent of that thing about monkeys banging away on type writers & producing works of Shakespeare 😉
Dude your being an overachiever. I have a friend who went through a bad divorce said fuck it and is now a bum. He makes about 15 dollars a day canning spends it all on cigarettes and cheap vodka doesn’t work and goes on an adventure every day.
Yes, I should add that this is what any man who is divorce raped SHOULD do to prevent alimony or divorce rape payments from being collected.
Everytime I hear “feminism is for men too” I think of him.
Better would be if he just dropped off the map, emerges somewhere in SE Asia, puts up a company and makes a killing and has a 100kid family with a herd of concubines goddamit.
No man should sacrifice himself for a woman.
Whenever I hear about a guy down on his luck committing suicide I wonder why they didn’t just do this. As long as you could scrape together like $1,000, no matter what your situation, just GTFO and start over. I mean, I know they are not thinking clear headed at that point, but it should be common knowledge among the male community, that no matter how bad things get, this is always a backup plan (and it’s probably going to be an improvement over the life you had).
Yeah, same here. I used to want to end it but just because of shit my parents did and so on but I really realized that if I do that I end the combo that I am and so much more
I have literally no context to even understand this shit.
It’s a playground out there, men. Fucking hot ass broads jump to your cock nearly on command if you’re doing it right. Drop out and give up? Dufuq? Did the we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
That’s right! We didn’t give up when the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor and we didn’t give up when the Germans came around and bombed it again!
I’m guessing here that you didn’t get the cultural reference. Amirite? Heh
too young for animal house.
I figured.
“let him go, hes on a roll…”
I haven’t seen that movie since at least the late 1990’s. Gotta go and rewatch it again. Maybe throw in The Blues Brothers as a double feature.
or that fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life.
“take it easy, Im in pre-law.”
“Thought you were pre-med?”
“Whats the difference?” Entire flick was based on the shenanigans at Dartmouth in the early 60s…
Blues Brothers is such a fucking classic. I love ray Charles as the music shop owner.
Same. I like everything about both of those movies. Wish there were movies of that caliber still being made today with any frequency.
We shall fight on the beaches!
We shall fight on the landing grounds!
From the lakes of Minnesota, to the hills of Tennessee!
And ye though I walk through the valley of death, I shall fear no rabbits! For death awaits us all, with big, sharp, pointy teeth!
Be sure and cross your references for even more hilarity!
Shit we are old. I have all those DVDs on my shelf. I knew guys in HS who could repeat the whole script of Monty Python “in search of the Holy Grail” to the word in the 80s.
You gotta always go back and watch the classics. Same with music. I cannot listen to my generation’s music anyway.
Is it behind the rabbit?
My son watched The Holy Grail when he was about 8, and completely lost it at the scene after this where they enter the cave. At the line, “He must have died while …” my son fell on the floor in tears laughing so hard he couldn’t breathe.
I agree with you in principle and in action….however, I can sympathize with the choice. The idea of amusing my self to death, saying fuck you to women and just beating off, eating whatever I want, getting as fat as I can, working as little as possible and just distracting myself all the time……..Obviously I am not taking that path…if I was I would have already….but I can see the temptation.
I honestly, seriously don’t. Maybe because I’ve been lifting since age 17 or whateverthefuck, but I’ve never been anything *but* optimistic about shit. Even when it’s bad, I find that I can still point to the kernel of corn in the shit and laugh.
Giving up, fuck, that’s loser shit right there. Homey don’t play that.
I generally feel the same way, but I would be lying if there weren’t days that totally stressed me the fuck out and I wonder why I don’t just say fuck it. Obviously I haven’t taken that option now so chances are I never will, but yeah…sometimes I am at work and I stop and say “dafuq am I doing this for”
Guess I just haven’t been there yet. I get not wanting to support the system, but becoming a Herbivore Man just seems like totally the opposite of any option I’d take.
doesn’t have to be herbivore.
I mean, I wouldn’t mind eating some fucking take out Chinese and Burgers, watching movies and turning my brain and dick off for a few years.
It’s fucking exhausting being as big of an asshole as I am.
My dick doesn’t have an off switch I guess. I truly think that this much “healthy living” for this long has kept my T in this high range for like fucking ever. It’s why I do what I do, as we discussed over on the app. The off switch apparently doesn’t exist, and that shit ain’t taking care of itself.
Hell, you could even give camping a shot during your womanizing hiatus.
You can lure him with Hostess Ding Dongs. He’ll follow.
Never.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_W-pG7tUmJk0/TPL7He_KoRI/AAAAAAAADIg/rwixkmO333E/s1600/hostess_ding_dongs_03.jpg
You got me on this one.
I mean it, wtf is that thing. Is is a chocolate covered oreo? hash? molded turd?
Nobody is really sure. I think it’s a subspecies of Twinkie and probably has a 40 year shelf life.
Lolknee, I’m curious: how are you an asshole? I don’t see that.
I don’t either. Must be taking the word of others 🙂
Lol if they want to be unhealthy, at least make your own desserts from scratch. Tastes better.
Please be cake. Please don’t be what I think it is.
I thought that it had a shelf life of “indefinite”?
And I think that I was told that even bugs wouldn’t eat it.
Why become fat and fap? Just bail out on helping women and live life. When they need help never help. They don’t want us to so….It’s not giving up it’s doing something else.
I am saying I never would do it, but there are some really fucking hard days where the thought crosses my mind
This is too much to explain. But VERY short: I am married to a NAWALT. Women hate her and always have. She never wanted to drink, go on a a vacation or go out without me and she would always get mad if I asked a friend to drive her. Because she said this could cause complications. She was ecstatic when I finally took the red pill. Women are Gollumsand people who do not see that are still blue pill. I now own the house 100% so she’ll lose everything if she goes and she now supports me financially doing all the work in the home company I built, and there’s a lot more.Not you, but many of the comments I see here on ROK tell me that a lot of guys who say they are red pill are actually blue. If you do game you are blue pill. High T makes you horny , yes, but our forefathers used that high T to accomplish things. Gollum is not worth your sperm.
I actually tend to agree with you. Oddly enough, I would like to settle down into a situation like yours. It just honestly isn’t me. If she was perfect I would troll her until she hated me. It’s just who I am. I am just happier being by myself.
I further agree that for the most people people who are out gaming (that is using the concept of game as an active hobby rather than just a set of principles which helps them better understand the female mind) are, for the most part, beta chumps. This isn’t to say that flirting with women and trying to have sex with them when you find them attractive is blue pill…that would be absurd, but to the degree where you are getting ready to go out and lay some game down it seems like an exercise in silliness.
I don’t know if I am red pill or blue pill or alpha or beta. What I do know is that I am honest with myself about who I am, what my strengths and weaknesses are and what I want and what I can and can’t do. There are some things that I am just not cut out for … being in a committed relationship is one of them. So I stay single not because I want to live a life of banging chicks all the time, gaming till I’m dead, ftw, and all that jazz. I am simply better suited to this life. I would like to think that that is a positive and masculine trend — the understanding ones own aspects and creating oneself a life which they are suited to and will best make them happy with no apologies for to anyone for whom it doesn’t fit nearly into their fucking paradigm.
I suspect that you and I are incredibly different people. However, I think we agree on quite a bit including just about everything you said in your comment here. The only place I take issue is someone else or some system of morals outside my own mind telling me what is and isn’t worth my sperm. It’s mine and I will dispense with it as I please — not in the childish way of I will do what I want, but rather in the way of I will take time out, consider what will work best for me and act on principles that I hold for myself and are in my own self interest as best as I can figure while being open to revaluing frequently.
Honestly lolknee, in a way I envy you. You are the perfect man to survive our sexual dystopia. You have absolutely no desire for a committed relationship, and are perfectly content to live the player lifestyle indefinitely. If only it were possible for all of us, especially younger men, to so fully embrace this way of life, but unfortunately most of us will always have that desire to become a patriarch, something which is just no longer an option in the modern world. I wish I could just say “fuck it,” and go and fuck sluts, but I just can’t. It just sickens me. I’m still hoping to someday have the opportunity to have a family of my own, but realistically I know that that is probably never going to happen. Sure, I have my friends. I have my parents and my sister. I have my hobbies. But even after taking the red pill, I still can’t help but long for that idealized (or as close as it can get) relationship with a female. I guess I’ll never really be able to get over it. One thing is for sure, though. If this society cannot be rehabilitated, I’m sure as hell not gonna work myself to the bone to support all the parasites out there.
Envy is poorly spent. Need to blow a lot of shit up before you stop caring. Is it better? Truth is, I envy people who are happy with their family lives. Grass is always greener brother
I can see both your perspectives, in fact I kind of have both. There was a time when I wanted nothing more than a wife and family. In fact my poor addled brainwashed mind thought I’d found my NAWALT. After that came crashing down, I discovered the red pill community, ironed out some faults of mine and started the slut collecting phase. But to this day its like the part of me that wanted a wife and family is broken. I can’t form any real connection with women, mostly because I can’t find one whose of any quality. So banging sluts sardonically is where I’m at and where I’ll likely stay.
Agree; live YOUR life according to YOUR rules, not theirs; you will ALWAYS lose if you play by their rules. We’ve seen that for the last forty to fifty years.
“Gollum is not worth your sperm.”
Agreed; and no pussy is worth your soul.
My thoughts exactly. Probably the most depressing and defeatist article on RoK. And I’ve been here from the start.
I don’t think the author is advocating that lifestyle. He’s merely pointing out the incentives are gone so this is now an option that many guys take.
I don’t know that the incentives are gone, it is more that there are easier options to pursue if you are not intrinsically motivated.
One of the main issues I had with the post is that while people are posting about male simplicity and no need for validation, it is highlighting very bluntly that a man’s purpose and motivation is to look after women. With women becoming more accessible due to “sexual liberation” and more competition in the workplace, some men do not have the motivation to improve and will readily accept minimum wage to support hassle free minimum standards.
It would be fascinating to address where the motivation for self and societal improvement, exploration and mastery come from in the context of current social attitudes, where there are no psychological societal obligations and a liveable baseline can be maintained with minimal effort. Is a lack of male extrinsic motivation occurring through traditional gender roles being challenged?
Evidently there appears to be a direct correlation between lack of ambition and changing gender roles / societal opportunities, but then don’t we also have to look at how we respond to ensure people still aspire to greatness?
Or… should we just accept civilisation as we know it is over?
Yeah this MGTOW crap is horribly depressing.
But it makes sense if you look at the current western society. There are few women worth teaming up with. They are either too fat, feminist, politically correct, lazy, a danger to your finances, cockcarrousel riders, over the hill, generally crazy or just ugly. And most are a combination of these things. Men are not crazy to choose for themselves. You don’t have to become some WoW-nerd eating pizza every evening. You could still date women, workout, make decent money.
Don’t forget they come with thousands of dollars of debt from their college degrees and maxed out credit cards.
If women have money, they spend it like crazy. Buying xbox-games, furniture at IKEA, knick knacks. Going to the thriftstore is their afternoon out.
The red pill shorted my circuits; I’ve gotten better at getting women, and in better shape, but I no longer want them. More precisely, I don’t want the women I see around me. So I may be overly cynical at times.
This article is depressing, and it is defeatist, but it is not a recommendation, rather, it is a call to be your own man, for your own sake.
Indeed. Most men give away their commitment way too easily. In earlier times, like 50 years or longer ago women had to fight for a respectable man, but now most men treat vagina like it is something special. It isn’t. There a millions of them around. This article is extreme. If you as a young man make a rational choice to be single that also means you don’t have children and make a strive to have a reasonable income.
Agreed on all except the “hot ass broads” shtick. FFS, for every one allegedly willing to do that, there’s at least ten teases.
Y’all really need to find someplace else to live then. If your area is overrun with ugs/fatties, move.
On the contrary; quite a number of good-looking girls where I am. Sadly, a lot are teases.
You have not been connecting with so many articles lately. I see this all the time. My age group is a mess, man.
Too many defeatist articles. Following this line of reasoning will lead men into the same hole as inner city blacks. Note, basically what the article describes is (mostly) how they live now. You want that for a future?
Maybe reading these is some form of catharsis for some. I do not want that future. I think this was mostly informing us of why these men act this way. It would be different if it told us to go do this.
Just a thought exercise. I got better. Think I need another firearms article next.
Lighten up, Francis.
At first I smelled Satire, but then I think the article is a bit more than that. I’ve been on both ends of the spectrum, 120K/yr jobs through to un employment and every job in between.
I think what the article is saying and a lot of what the comments are saying is that its more important to be happy. While its great to be making huge coin it usually comes at a cost of your soul. No time to enjoy your money and higher cost of living are usually the result of a big bank roll.
But being poor an living in rags and playing video games all day is more shit. You need to find a balance. You need to work to live not live to work.
And if pussy is your main goal I can tell from experience, when I was working in the Whitsundays and making next to fuck all, i was getting the best roots of my life. This was one of the least paying jobs I had but the lifestyle made up for it.
It’s sort of a warning from personal experience, and a call for us to find our own happiness in excelling for ourselves, now that others don’t need us.
If playing the game is your thing or you’re naturally in that 20% women are selecting for it is a playground. Because you’ve got 80-100% of the women wanting the same minority of men. For those who find the effort of pretending to be that man draining or don’t know how to do it or don’t want to do it, are simply priced out of the market. The value of sex varies from man to man as does what men want. If playing the game takes more energy that what one gets out of sex, why bother? If a man just wants an honest relationship with one hot woman the playground doesn’t matter then either.
Most men haven’t wanted to go from one hot ass broad to another. Sure it’s held up as some ideal but that’s always only been some men that really want to put in the effort to do it. Most men have always been far more simple in their needs and desires. Just look how escorts sell themselves online. They try to appeal to those more simple needs and desires (although on a rental basis), not to a desire to go from one hot broad to another.
This is about the men who don’t want the playground. Who before had a reason to be productive. Now they aren’t going to get what they want. So why bother?
Escorts are relatively inexpensive. No dating rituals, meals, or other stuff involved. Get in, get off, get out, just wrap it up!
And an escort won’t accuse you after of rape afterwards so that’s where the real cost saving comes in.
This is what people on the forum just don’t comprehend. A lot of these guys get by on looks not so much great game and attribute success to their game rather than looks. Women get annoyed by a below average looking alpha because they don’t want you for a fuck but at the same time you’re too risky for them to date.
Some men get tired of meaningless sex and want a lasting relationship. That’s much more difficult to achieve in today’s world. It’s an entirely alien feeling to happily married men from your generation.
There’s only so much time and money a man can spend on disappointing women before the lifestyle talked about in this article starts to sound appealing.
He didn’t mention anything about getting laid at all, which was the only flaw I saw in the article. He only talked about staying single and avoiding high-paying stressful careers.
That said, I agree with the author, and with you as well. Since the sexual liberation of women allows them to be sluts, you can live a low cost simple life, and still get laid.
I’m guessing you were joking when you said ‘the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?’
Interesting analysis. The only thing missing is the cost associated with the satisfaction of sexual appetite. Can you do it at that sort of income? I suppose you could beat off to porn and there’s plenty of that for free. However, eventually that brings you down and at some point you need a real physical interaction. One way or another there’s a cost associated with that.
Women’s ‘liberation’ liberated them from the ancient social contract – where women traded their fertility for the man’s utility. The women provided sexual access and reliability (mostly) that any children produced were the man’s, and in return, the man worked to provide for his children and the woman for the rest of his life. But the contract came at a cost for both men and women – for women constraints were put on their behavoir and freedom, for men, they had to work themselves to death.
Women’s liberation broke this contract. It is clear that woman have embraced their new freedoms, earning their own money, choosing how they behave, sleeping with whom they choose. And for a while it worked. Because whilst women were playing by the new rules, menwere still, mostly, playing by the old.
But that’s over now.
Now men are playing by the new rules as well. And what does this look like? Simply that for the first time in 2000 years men are free to live their lives without regard to what women want, and free of any social expectations to do so.
Today’s generation of women are finding few men that they consider marriage worthy, because many men are not putting the effort into becoming marriage worthy. Why should they – they don’t want to, don’t have to and have better things to spend their time and money doing.
This matters. Because it is men’s – and only men’s – productivity that enables an advanced society to exist.
As men check out, so society is crumbling. Men need something to work hard for and nothing motivates a man like the love and respect of a good woman. These days few women are ‘good’ and fewer still know how to love and respect a man.
Good work feminists.
a very clear and accurate break down of modern male/female relations. Well said.
Exactly my analysis, as well. Completely agree. And might I add that I am now going to love to see women fail so miserably at the game they themselves made the rules to. Lean back and enjoy. Man this is going to be freaking fun.
That’s exactly what I was thinking. Cadders mentioned he does not enjoy seeing women eat their own, self created suffering, but I quite enjoy it.
“…Today’s generation of women are finding few men that they consider marriage worthy, because many men are not putting the effort into becoming marriage worthy…”
When you remove incentives, you won’t get the results that you want…and with men, incentives matter. The feminists and their “Useful Idiots” of the female population believed feminist propaganda that ‘men will do ANYTHING for pussy’ and work themselves to death/early graves because “that’s just something that men do”.
It came as a surprise to them that when they took away the incentives for men to even WANT to date or marry, and are now seeing that we men are questioning relationships and marriage WRT what they offer us versus what we men want out of them. And it’s enraging them that we men now want OUR autonomy, too. This obviously wasn’t supposed to happen (according to their feminist philosophy).
Absolutely
What is particularly sad is that there are still young women out there who (mostly secretly) long for a traditional life – marriage, kids, maybe a part-time job. But they 1) are too scared of being ejected by the herd for articulating this out loud and 2) have NO clue how to be feminine.
We are on the cusp of an involuntarily childless spinster epidemic. Women will, of course, cry out to men to ‘do something’. Increasingly there will be few men around to hear and even fewer who will listen.
I take no joy on this, but this is what it will take to make women start behaving in ways that men value. Ways that, ultimately, are in women’s own best interests. It shouldn’t have had to come to this, but after 50 years of being shouted down whenever we tried to tell them the folly of their ways, most men have simply stopped trying. For all feminist’s efforts to drown out men’s voices, the ones that speak loudest are the ones they never hear – those of the men that are walking away.
Feminism is evil.
We won’t be there yet for 5-10 years. We don’t have enough women feeing the negative effects of their actions yet.
But I agree, 5-10 years from now if you are an in-shape 30+ single male I think the massive amounts of 30+ single women who bought the lies are going to be throwing themselves at you. Could be an epic time to play the field for an older guy.
My perception is that we are closer than you think.
My work has (unexpectedly) brought me into contact with a number of early / mid thirties women. Most are not bad looking, mostly in shape and all are single – or dating with no sign of commitment or future – and ALL are childless. I have got to know them well enough to talk about this and they all tell the same story – they sacrificed their beauty years either on the cock carrousel (obviously they don’t state it like this, but it’s easy to read the real story behind the platitudes) or on the alter of education / career (or both) – just like they were told to. And now they lament there are no men around that they fell the ‘chemistry’ with. One admitted to me that her only red flag left when assessing a man was that he had never done drugs. That’s how far she has to lower the bar in order to bring men into contention. Most women don’t even lower the bar and give up in despair of ever finding a ‘worthy man’. And mostly, they wont.
Fifty years of raising boys to be women and girls to be men was always going to come with a cost. Men have been paying for years with money, involuntary celibacy and fatherhood denied.
Now the cost is being passed on to women. And they are paying in money, misery and motherhood lost.
There are no winners here. You mention that it could be an epic time to be an older guy, but as an older guy myself (early 50s), believe me when I say that if you have made living a fulfilling life your guiding motivation then shagging lots of burned out 30’s women is likely to be WAY down your list of how you want to spend your time. Sex may be fun, but when the hormones calm down you might just prefer working on that car you are restoring, hitting the gym or even finishing that book you’ve been reading. THIS is what the feminists, and younger women (and a lot of younger men, to be be fair) just don’t realise. As a man ages, for many, sex, even women, become much more ‘optional’. Having a good one may add value to your life. Having a bad one will suck the life out of you.
Increasingly there will be fewer and fewer Capt’n savE-a-hos and for those that are around, they will be of low quality and fewer and fewer women will ‘lower’ themselves to accept them.
There is no saving these women – they are feminism’s lost generation. Their only function now is to serve as a warning to the younger women who come after them. Let’s hope the younger cohort learn well.
There are always enough males, i’m not calling them beta but unknowing (obviously not informed about women’s mating strategy and psychology) that will saveahoe them. Or they are bitter men who were rejected and ignored in their teens/twenties and suppress the understanding that the woman they have is nothing more but a fifteen-hand car. One man’s trash is another man’s prize.
I’m almost 30 and my libido isn’t even what it used to be. Now, I’m healthy, but I’m not that horny 18-25 y.o anymore.
women will pay a big prize for deferring binding unknowing young men.
When men are in their thirties they will start thinking with the big brain instead of the little one and will choose for himself before the vagina and it’s outcome (cohabitation, children, marriage or other legal contracts)
This is good stuff, right here.
Of course. Plenty of dumbfu*cks here. It’s called the US military. Full of cucks.
That could be changed, yet that would mean the cucks would be forced to confront the military who enforces this insanity via bayonet point.
“If a man could fuck a woman in a cardboard box, he wouldn’t buy a house.” – Dave Chappele
We men should laugh about this new reality. Women think they are “free”, but now they have to work for their own apartments and everything else. They have a worse deal than before, yet they think they are liberated. Anti-contraceptives made sex dirt-cheap and destroyed women’s good-deal.
Fewer men are willing to marry, yes. More people are single. But considering the power feminist voices have, in government, legislation, education and media there are still too many men who ignorantly agree to live the “mule” lifestyle. I don’t know about you, but everytime I see people getting married I pity that ignorant man. He doesn’t know what kind of financial noose he is putting around his neck.
It all depends on where you live; you can easily rent a decent one-bedroom anywhere in the Midwest for $500 or so, but somewhere like California, expect to pay nearly three times that–and in San Francisco, almost six times. If you’re happy making $15-$20 an hour and living in a cheap flat, by all means, go for it, and damn what anybody else thinks.
Exactly. My one BR in a reasonably nice suburb of northern Denver keeps going up. This new renewal will be $1175 a month (after water/trash). I thought that was outrageous, but it turns out it’s actually a couple hundred bucks cheaper for this area. Unless I want to live in a ghetto building surrounded by mexicans and dindus — or else want to move to another town — this is it.
Which is I why I will soon be renewing again for a 4th time, even though the rent goes up every year.
Yeah, bite the bullet and pay a little more. I don’t how much you make, but you couldn’t pay me to live in those horrible, dirt-cheap, ghetto flats. I know for a fact in Kansas and Oklahoma, you can still get a nice place for under $1k a month and stay out of those horrible neighborhoods.
Exactly. I don’t make a fortune, but I can absorb the increase this time around. It’s annoying, but as you say, sometimes you have to think about your priorities.
I wouldn’t mind giving KC or OKC a try one of these days.
One of the little things I find amusing in life is that my ex spends more for the 2BR townhome she’s renting than I pay for mortgage and property taxes on the four bedroom home I bought her out of. She’s having to move because of increasing rent. Again.
I actually knew a couple guys like this, we all worked together at a Mall store selling retro “jays”. I can tell you first hand how guys, including me, feel the weight of their wallet when they make excess money with no real responsibility. I knew a couple guys who dropped out of college to continue working retail, I slacked off something fierce, using the money I earned drinking at the bars just about every night bought an ’02 ls1 Camaro. Pulled a decent amount of ass between the broads that worked under me (giggity), girls I met through friends and at the college bars. I eventually graduated with a near pitiful GPA in Poli Sci and was relegated to taking a retail promotion, as I was driving around to different stores I told myself it was worth it for the eventual 45k a year. Then one night at one of our Wednesday $1 beer and shots nights, I drove home and got pulled over, most likely targeted because of my sports car with tinted windows (illegal in my state), considering i blew a .11 shamefully I am sure that isn’t a career high. 13 hours in windowless and clockless concrete room, I about had a meltdown, I got out wearing some AF1 shoes walked home through the hood 6 miles back to my apartment. I knew this was my fault and as I walked back I looked up at the sky and realized that I had no purpose. I had a memory flashback to a conversation with my Dad 6 or so years prior, told me that before I was born he went through life after the Marine Corps with no purpose. While my dad has been successful and does better than most, I didn’t want to tell my future kids that. 6 months later I quit retail, saved up money to go back to Grad school got my Master’s in Accountancy with a job that started at 60k a year and looking forward to a family.
Men without purpose are a danger to themselves and society. As society continues to relegate men to a seemingly unimportant role, femininity as superior to masculinity, we will continue to see unchanged stories like mine and those currently of guys I worked with. Repercussions are felt now, but as my generation approaches the age of becoming the primary of those wielding political power, I am nervous for that time.
I lift up my beer to you! You did what many still need to do, wise up and realize also that we are the guardians of our civilization. The women can’t be, the gays can’t be, and the SJWs won’t be. It is up to us to stand up and say with a loud and clear voice that we won’t take part in it.
Congratulations!
There is too much “fuck this, I’m taking my toys and going home” attitude in men today, we need to engage and do what we think is right.
I have my first child on the way and I can tell you it’s a wonderful feeling. But when you are feeling the pull of family, you have an obligation to your future children to pick their mother wisely. Don’t pick someone who is on the pill. Don’t pick someone who has had more than one trial boyfriend.
Your children depend on the choices you make for them when you pick their mother, and they expect you to be able to see beyond your hardon and the thunderdomes of women.
I dedicate this post to my boy with the knobby knees.
Good on you brother for finding the light to your path! May you keep seeing true successes forevermore.
Men with a purpose……..that is the turning point. Purpose.
Had you refused to blow the breathalyzer, you likely would have had to walk the line. A failed field test would likely have you in lockup anyway but a real trial lawyer that’s connected would have the whole night expunged for 3 maybe 8 grand. I’m just curious how much the ordeal cost you. You still could have had your wake up experience without getting smacked by the system. The system is a whole nother piece of dog shit. The system is nothing but a bunch of predatory parasites. If they don’t throw you over the iron for blowing a 1.1, the same deputies will give you walking papers from your house and the same magistrate will officiate divorce raping you. You already have reason to hate the system pigs whether you know it or not. Call them the new black. Be a hateful racist against the system. Feel free to crank up the heat against the establishment that is a menace to us all. A new order of man is coming soon and the old guard of bitch rule will be scrubbed from the land. Still it’s good that you got shaken up and woke up.
Good for you. What about guys who dont want responsibilities? What do you think that guys raised in single mom house think about family values? Do they even think about it? Is it their priority? If so, do they prove anything in society with no appreciation to anything at all? Do good people exist? What about people who are not given opportunities in companies though they have talents and are capable of doing more responsible stuff = more money? The guy with family wont help the other guy having a risk losing his position. Everyone is at war with everyone, savage competition even of you realize it or not. What if some guys dont care at all about having a family? They might not even know how it is, they might not trust any women and men, hassle to “train” a girl? Hassle to provide for family? Hassle to shoulder risk of losing everything and become a loser? I dunno man. Life’s tough.
Good for you. But every longtime accountant I’ve ever met hates it with a passion. Start looking for exit opps now
Yeah for sure, it can get rough for some people. Long term goal is own firm or self employed, I always keep my eye out.
I am currently without work – for about half a year now – and have supplied a request for welfare. Never been happier.
How hard is to get welfare in Germany?
I think that they require a pulse and at least partially unassisted respiratory function.
Go into the welfare office with a portrait of Herr Merkle and tell them that you haven’t got a wall to hang the picture of the glorious leader!
That’s the way it is now. Her picture will be hanging in every ISIS crazy ass home right next to the black flag.
Idolatry is strictly forbidden in that crazy-ass religion. The mere depiction of Muhammad sparked mass outrage, protests worldwide, and millions of damages during that Jyllands-Posten controversy.
Well, they want quite some information / paperwork – which is normal I guess. Luckily my stay at the nuthouse left me with a state-financed carer who is a lawyer and takes care of all my paperwork. And yes, I am aware that I am a fucking leech.
Who cares given the state Germany is handing out asylum to every person out there. I know a guy who was so care free and still working light hours in construction. Why was he so relaxed? Later on after I left that workplace I heard he had govt assisted house because he had kida and split from his wife (just for welfare) and had lived in a council flat before and bought it in the 90s and now the whole place is worth nearly £1 million due to it;s proximity to Chelsea and Kensington and Madonna and the like live less than 1/2 mile away. Welfare made that man!
A studio in London in the outer areas costs more than £1000 a month and shared housing is fuken terrible.
You do the maths Tommo!
You’re no leach. You’re just enjoying the ride to the bottom!
Yay, that sounds good. Are you from Hawaii?
What shits me… A few years ago I applied for welfare here in Australia during our last recession. Keep in mind that I am fully trade qualified with Tertiary education, many certs and skills etc, there was just no work here for a few years.
The amount of fucking hoops I had to jump through to even get on the short list was crazy. Meanwhile aboriginals and single mums etc getting massive handouts.
We have welfare leaches for life here, its just too easy for them. But if your a white male with trade skills and you cant get a job because your Gov fucked up and nearly broke the countries economy, bad luck.
Nah, my user name is from a lack inspiration years ago. I used to commute to work on my Kona pushbike. It allowed me to save a lot of money that I was able to put a large enough deposit on a house that my repayments were the same as the rent I had been paying.
Here in the Netherlands we have our own low IQ groups. Immigrants from Marocco and Turkey. And also a lot of Somali’s and Ethiopians who came here in droves once they heard our crazy Marxist government would pamper them for life. Those people were not productive, the are not now, nor will they ever be. Same goes for the majority of their offspring. Mostly genetically aggressive people with a culture (Islam) that is incompatible with ours.
The white young man is the envy of the world and the ‘nigger’ at the same time: He is treated like a fool and a slave.
At least you get that. Here in the worlds shittiest country(America), we had our benefits cut by the biggest of cucks(Republicans). We don’t have that option.
“They won’t learn until near the end that their career is a means to an end, and not the end in itself.”
This sums up females in the workplace. They spend their best years chasing an office job, something men are trying desperately to avoid. Then become ragged and run down from 50 hour weeks and look 40 years old at 30.
I had an internship after college that paid me little to nothing. I had about $80 a week to myself after rent and bills and I lived comfortably.
Why are all my comments going into pending approval land? there’s not even any profanity or anything in them?
Shit! I think you identified the problem.
Why? I’ve been nothing but supportive of this site
The problem is the lack of male pride. For instance, women have no problem living of the husband/boyfriend income, but a men cannot stand living off some old vagina. Our ego just cant stand it. So here lies the problem, too many 30 year old teenagers and few men.
Well, I don’t particularly desire to be a wage slave to some organized feminist gene replication unit that will throw me away later.
But that doesn’t mean I’m going to be fat and poor.
For all the “frugals” out there. If we men don’t control law, all this frugality will be taken away from you. Welcome to the upcoming “single men tax”.
“White Male Tax”
“Straight Male Tax”
The shaming is already there, so now they will have to make somebody pay.
We men, the common sense, we need to unite against socialism = feminism.
So just say your gay and that you identify as an attack helicopter. No tax!
“Attack Helicopter Tax” 😀
Don’t you know?
Gay is on it’s way out as a “protected class.” Now it’s trans and other bizarre self-described status.
And, oh, are they butt-hurt. …………
I recently heard Tom Leykis ranting about paid maternityleaves and how insane that would be. Well, we’ve got them in Europe. In my country it’s 16 weeks of PAID leave. Not kidding you. In other more extreme socialist countries like Sweden and Norway it’s even longer. Much longer.
I had a discussion with a pregnant co-worker. I told her I find it unacceptable that women who choose to have a child get paid leave. Of course I was unreasonable because it is like it is… Fact is: it costs the taxpayer money and the employer has to burden other employees with her work. Maybe he has to hire somebody else for the time being. And all this is considered normal over here. Any moral questions are considered backwards thinking.
There is also a child benefit (Hitlers invention to boost population) which should be stopped. Want a child? Start saving.
If you are a single man all you are good for is paying for all of this.
Spot on. We men have accepted the “female imperative” as Rollo Tomassi calls it. The female mentality is the status quo right now. If women want to reproduce, they MUST find a husband to support them. The latest tax-cuckoldry is called single motherhood: stupid spinsters subsidized by everyone.
You know Hitler wanted to do that very thing. Tax all single men heavily. Not sure if he did or not but his ideas about social constructs and whore-shipping mother hood and taking the father mostly out of the families picture was very much in line with feminist agenda. Hence I suppose, why we call them Fema-Nazis!
Do what makes you happy and society’s demands be damned!
“Girls smoking and doing yoga; caught the mat on fire”.
I wonder if this guy was their instructor…
It likely wasn’t tobacco unless it was a blunt containing something else. Hard core yoga people are known for being stoners.
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Might’ve been. I just knew shit was up when the THIRD fire engine tore by in the parking lot in less than two minutes.
An excellent break down article of what men really need to survive. Sex is still something important though and it should be included in the equation.
Go to a pro.
Cost money, but the alternative costs WAAAAY more, amiright?
Either way it costs. That’s what the author of the piece missed. Unless you’re wanking to porn (lots of that for free) how do you deal with sex when you’re a minimum wage minimalist? Porn doesn’t cut it long term.
Porn was fine for me back when I was in that rut. YMMV.
Look around you men. All the women are fat, entitled, slutty, and abrasive. Why even bother.
Don’t forget that they are also diseased, greedy, narcissistic, hooked on head meds, and have NO ethics or morals.
Utterly unfit to be healthy helpmates and mothers.
We and our potential descendants deserve better than THEM.
But how did they get that way? Methinks the “greatest generation” was more like the greatest scoundrels.
Just the wussy UC Leftist idiots that let their pampered, spoiled brats walk all over them.
My dad (born in ’34) wasn’t raised that way — and he didn’t raise myself or my siblings that way either; he didn’t have any problem beating our asses when it was warranted. And although I was a little too young for the war in ‘Nam, I’m proud to say that both I and my youngest brother are military veterans.
I thought the same but then I remember that it isn’t about they, it’s about us.
Spent thousands of dollars and five years to get a college degree. I’ve applied for many jobs but nothing has panned out. I’m stuck for now going full time at my current job. It’s a few more hours but only 9.25 an hour pay. Life has basically forced me to do this. I might start painting houses on the side and hope it can become full time work. Thanks Obama!
What did you major in? I know quite a few people with professional degrees who do manual labor cause it makes them happier than office work.
Business Administration. I failed to find any jobs within a management role. The economy is dead here. Maybe I can start a side gig and put my management skills to work.
That is the best way to utilize such a degree. I have a minor in that myself and it has paid dividends working in engineering and starting my own business. My advice would be to stay open minded and to pick a handful of areas for future management positions even if you have to start out moving muscle in them
MGTOW + Minimalism
Do your own thing that makes you happy.
Don’t own things that you don’t need or use. For the author that’s a high end computer, comfy computer chair and a bed. Maybe ditch the car for a push bike?
MGTOW is just monastic life without spirituality. Pointless loneliness and sexual frustration, unless fapping to porn is enough for you.
It’s either that or live the player lifestyle forever, which is repulsive to some men, and in many ways is becoming increasingly dangerous.
Chaos, like the chaos we currently live in, creates a power vacuum that is not present in times of prosperity. As the status quo becomes outdated, demand for new vision at the top becomes eminent.
The fact most men give up makes the rise in power even easier. Having a future, being articulate, and in physical shape made you one with the crowd in the 1950’s. Now, even possessing one of these three traits makes you stand far above everyone else.
We both embrace the decline, but in 180 degree-opposite ways.
$600 a month on food is quite excessive though.
No kidding; I spend maybe a third of that. Of course, I only eat out once a week, if that. Buying quality food–eggs, beans, rice, etc.–doesn’t have to be expensive.
$600 on food per month is not excessive. If you buy good produce and prime meat (relatively cheap where I live) $600 is about right. Saving a couple bucks and getting strange chemicals put into your body is just not worth it to me.
You’re clearly shopping in a place where he isn’t. NYC is not the same as Indianapolis, IN.
Bodybuilding diet, ie lots of meat, fresh fruits/vegetable and basic supplement costs me about $800 a month. You should know that MISC Bra.
All I can say is, it’s a *fuckload* cheaper living in America than anywhere else. But I suppose wages are higher too.
In the In the 80’s, there was always the army. But even that is competitive now. Even an elisted person can have a hard time getting 20 years in. Before they begged you to re-enlist.
Wouldn’t want that now; at least not Army Or Marines. Get killed or maimed in some sandbox? No thank you.
No worries. You seem to be air force material.
Once I wrote women off and said “fuck it” to romance, life got cheap. I have a kid that spends half her time with me and I don’t moderate my spending in any way. I don’t make much and I have enough cash for two cars and to buy my friends and their kids cool gifts.
Understood, but why would you waste your dough on your friends’ kids?
Seriously, why are you spending money on your friends and their kids?
I used to work in a big international firm, making a very decent salary (in my country); but one day I said “to the hell with this” and quitted.
I have a monthly income (inheritance) that is not much, in fact it is much less than my former salary, but it allows me to pay the rent, services (water, energy, internet, cell phone, etc), the food, and the gym.
Now I’m training every day (3 hours), my gym is located 3 blocks from my home. I’m reading a lot, I have hundreds of books in my physical library and thousands of pdf’s in the laptop. I’m writing articles for alt-right sites. I have a few fuckbuddies that I use when I want sex.
Never been happier.
Well done sir.
No man anywhere should aspire to live off the dole and in Section 8 housing of all god-forsaken places. Quite simply, just do what makes you happy, and if you can make money by nontraditional ways and not through the 9:00 to 5:00, then all the power to you.
The jag off playing video games past the age of 14 dissing those with a high school education…ok. If you were an engineer worth a piss youd have no use for television or children’s games and be welding or wrenching out back for giggles. I have a degree too and it hardly makes the man. Men who choose to tap out of society and cave dwell on electronics are victims. The unabomber did it the right way and you could tell from his essays he had only honed his mind in that cabin.
this is simple for us guys. It boils down to making a stand and saying (to women) what’s in it for me?
Granted, I am a woman, so perhaps my perspective is different, but if you thinking getting back at women is leading a dismal life, working a McJob, well that’s akin to protesting with self immolation. Ok, thanks for letting me know, I’ll remember to pick up marshmallows. Ever heard the expression “cutting off your nose to spite your face”? Using your logic, perhaps I should become morbidly obese to “get back at so called *patriarchal* beauty standards”. That’ll show em!
You are already becoming obese and getting back at the “patriarchy”. That’s what you don’t get. This is a reaction to an already occurring event. What, men should just “man up” and hook up/wife up fat ugly tatted broads then, Emmet? Will that make it better?
Exactly. I sure as hell won’t.
Ironically, the more a man’s SMV improves, the higher his standards (rightly) go, meaning the low-SMV women he once might have pursued, and would find him attractive, are no longer in his radar.
Not going to bust my ass in the gym, work towards great finances, and better myself for a fat & damaged woman.
The better you get, the more you realize what you really deserve and what you want.
A. I really hope the “you” you are referring to is a collective, and not me personally. I can assure I’m the furthest thing from obese, and the older I get, the more discipline that entails.
B. I’m not suggesting “wifing up” anyone you don’t like, for any reason, is a good idea. That’s actually a terrible idea.
I am suggesting that blaming all your personal failings on feminism, or left wing policies, or anything else for that matter, is a bitch move. It’s precisely the root problem of our current— everybody gets a medal –nobody has any personal responsibility—climate. Whining is whining my friend, irrespective of which side your cause lands on the social media spectrum.
The distortion of the SMV-graph is that we now have a society where we have men that fifty years ago would be considered “a catch”, good income, muscular, always improving, fine grooming etc, but now only can get fatties or leftovers on the datingmarket. Meanwhile, the goodlooking women all flock to the top 20, 30% and refuse dating their male counterparts, just because their standards are too high. Thus they wait for the man they feel worthy of, sometimes for years and years until they are too old to get pregnant by natural means. And then the taxpayers money is needed for all kinds of fertility treatments.
this isn’t about getting back at women. This is my own choice and the choice of many other men. Plus there are other choices for men such as other cities, countries, etc. to find the woman we want.
You can go ahead and get fat and as @[email protected]:disqus mentioned a good percentage of the US population is obese. So really you aren’t hurting anyone but yourself.
And this is yet another example of men using logic to make a decision and women using emotions, shame, etc.
Becoming morbidly obese to “get back at so called *patriarchal* beauty standards”, is exactly what women are told to do my mainstream media/politicians/educators/politicians and celebrities.
So fat-shaming isn’t a thing? Then why have almost all doctors told their patients to lose weight since Obamacare?
Unfortunately, no it isn’t.
We obviously need more fat shaming.
Way too many hambeasts ruining what was once a great country.
And how well does that really work out for them? It may very well be what mainstream media advises… But what about in the real world?
Men like hot pieces of ass in the real world. Are you really that daft you cant figure this shit out?
Because losing weight is healthy. Are you that daft?
I was advised to lose weight when I saw doctor for tendonitis. I was then a massive 3 pounds over BMI limit. Others told me they’d been told to lose weight, too. Lost 10 since then. So do not need my name listed on an enemies of the state fattie list.
Are you really so daft as to not understand my question was rhetorical?
Yep. This reduces the potential mates for both males and females, essentially kicking them out of the marketplace, leaving the “hot” guys and girls for each other. It’s an extremely toxic sexual strategy that everyone’s been RAISED ON and LIVED for most of our lives.
3lbs over your BMI is hardly a major concern. You were on the wrong side of it mind you, and wise to keep it in check. Maybe your doctor is abundantly cautious. Doesn’t make it fat shaming though. Sorry. When I was very young, I used to smoke. If I went to the doctor with a bronchial infection and he berated me for that filthy habit, was he smoke shaming me? Nope, just stating the hard realities of unhealthy choices.
You completely missed the point.
When men are treated like garbage enough, they’re not trying to “get back” at women. They find better things to do with their time and lose interest in working harder for no respect and no sense of fulfillment.
In other words, they think “meh” when it comes to women.
Fair enough. I’m all for dropping out of the corporate grind either way. The author is maybe taking things a little far, no? I mean if you want a precarious, mind numbing job, fill your boots, but me thinks we should all strive to do a little more with our lives than become a Wal-mart greeter or welfare recipient.
What you’ve said in your posts is generally true and on point. But the bitterness in some RoK posters is so thick you can cut it with a knife.
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Oh yes, definitely I agree, but the author isn’t advocating it per se, but I believe his intent is to highlight how, due to today’s American culture and how males are treated now, that a man could do so if he wanted to.
Fortunately he makes it clear that it’s not an optimal way of life.
Thanks! Not everyone has to agree with me. That’s ok and makes the world interesting. I am sincere though.
He’s not advocating for it, but blaming feminism for a lack of personal motivation is a bit of a stretch. Despite being a woman, believe me, I’m no fan of this current “wave” of feminism. And by wave I mean the tsunami of equally anti-male, infantilizing to women, sentiments in today’s political climate. We all can do all sorts of things if we want to. Doesn’t make it a good idea. Rights aren’t actually recommendations.
Thank you. That was precisely the point.
Actually I blame feminism for trying to destroy men by destroying their purpose, not their motivation.
Shaming language doesn’t work anymore, and ESPECIALLY not here — didn’t you get the memo?
Shaming language?! Is it triggering you?! Jesus. At least I admitted up front I was a women 😉 I’m sorry if I was McJob shaming, I’ll add that my resume which also includes fairly prolific fat shaming, stupidity shaming and my personal speciality: entitlement shaming. You want to live a crappy, unfulfilled life working menial jobs, fill your boots my friend. Get good and fat while your at it. Anyone tries to advise you otherwise: Take it to social media and make it your cause.
It’s been mentioned in this thread already. The job is a means to an end. Not the end itself. if I find happiness with my meager income when I come home from work, work doesn’t actually matter so long as that meager income can make me happy.
That I fully support. As long as the time you spend working you enjoy, at least to a reasonable extent. I say this for your benefit. Don’t waste your life spending 40 plus hours a week being miserable. I mean this sincerely.
Did you ever read George Gilder’s, “Men and Marriage”? Its from a couple of decades back. But his point was a single man just doesn’t really need much in the way of material things to be happy and satisfied. His income requirements are much less if he’s only supporting himself. I know a guy whose passion is surfing. Doesn’t take much money to surf- a board and a few hours in the water every day, enough money for an apartment and save enough in a couple years to be able to travel to some of the best spots in the world to surf and stay in very cheap accommodations. He speaks a couple languages fairly well and has friends all over the world.
I have a multi-engine ATP (Airline Transport Pilot), commercial and instrument rotary certificates and would be insanely happy in a flying job. Problem is- getting out of the military my choices were a starting flying job in a commuter airline for ~25K or government/contractor work at ~120K. If I were single I would have jumped on the commuter airline thing (or tourist helicopters) like a hobo on a hotdog and loved life no matter where I was living. A bed, beer and a job I loved and was an expert at- what more could a man need? With three kids, all with goals requiring college educations I had to make a different choice. I had responsibilities to them, particularly after their mom decided to bail and live a few miles away instead of with them/me. Between pension and salary, I make enough to put all of them through college, max out the 401, save additional cash even after mortgage and all the other bills (car insurance on vehicles for all three kids and me etc.) But I’d be a lot happier flying for FEDEX out of the PI as a nomad…
Young men look at dinosaurs like me. They see the reward I reaped sticking by a wife and sharing everything, supporting her in everything – stay at home mom, transition to work when she wanted to. There is less and less incentive for men to choose a path of family given the realities of divorce. And I was lucky, my ex wasn’t greedy so the divorce wasn’t the financial devastation it could have been. I’m not living in an illegally converted garage like a friend of mine. My son, understandably, doesn’t have a lot of faith in women’s ability to uphold a vow. I imagine young women whose fathers moved out feel the same way about men. But young men who write off the idea of family just don’t need much income. Got nothing to do with getting back at anybody.
No, I’ve never read the book and perhaps I will. Frankly I think most people would be a lot happier if they were less enslaved to their material desires. The author, however, seems to be making the point that without a family to care for, a McJob and super crappy standard of living will make a lot of people (men in this case) happy. He then goes on to insinuate feminism is somehow the cause of men in large numbers being completely unmotivated to leave the nest or do anything beyond playing Halo. He then goes on to basically relish in the idea that once women have to take on breadwinning responsibilities, we’ll learn….learn what exactly? That pussy was the only known motivator for men to do great things or become interesting people? That the only thing separating a great inventor/scientist and a basement dwelling gamer was access to women/ a wife? That’s pretty insulting to men.
ps sincerely glad you didn’t get taken to the cleaners in your divorce…that s—-t has got to stop.
Its not pussy that was the motivator for men, it was his kids. It was the assurance of paternity and wanting a better life for his kids, a stable society for his kids.
Part of the point is that they’re not enslaved to material desires. This is more of an experiential desire rather than a material desire. World of Warcraft is 15 dollars a month. On a minimum or near-minimum wage job, that’s NOTHING. A good PC lasts almost a decade and costs 500 minimum and 1000 for a decent one. The lifestyle is extremely cheap.
Feminism removes the desire to put their ‘skin in the game’. They don’t want to study their ass off, work their ass off, all so that women will reject them until age 30 and then marry them for their security AFTER they’ve screwed 40-100 Chads. Then have government stroll in, take more of their money all while the woman holds the nuclear launch codes ready to take the house, kids, paycheck from him. Men have to ask why, WHY would they do this? We can BUY sex, even on minimum wage. So what’s the point?!?
It seems a waste of money for a young single unattached guy to pay just to live in a house or apartment plus living in a house is deadly period. HOUSES AREN’T SAFE. More people die in household accidents than any other cause.
LIVING IN YOUR CAR is safe. No shower to slip in, no toaster. Toasters are frightening and there are at least 50 blender related deaths yearly. Yikes.
Some tips for living rent free in your car:
Pick a good car or minivan to convert into a sleeper. My favorite is a sub compact because it’s a challenge to make useable space.
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Whether you choose a car or a larger minivan, dark tinted windows are a must for incognito privacy. In a small car, the rear seat and pass seat come out and a sleeper board is fitted. A 110v inverter can power a small cooler and coffee maker on the side. If the car is a little too crammed, a station wagon can comfortably sleep two.
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If you have any large items like a canoe or toolboxes for a trade, keep them stowed at a friends house and keep cool with the friend. A jug of listerine has 1000 uses including remedying itchy hair, giving it the slick 50’s look when combed in, and saturated in an old sock can sponge bath a smelly bod from top to toe. I believe it’s called a ‘Navy shower’. One jug lasts a week and can brush clean teeth, no need for fluoridated toothpaste.
One up from the station wagon is the suv or minivan. They are numerous enough to where you still can remain incognito, even parked in a wal mart parkng lot for a week. A high top van sticks out a little too much but a neatly parked and clean suv won’t get bothered so long as you don’t blast music and rumble it.
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If the family is up to trying something new and having a blast this summer, try a little inexpensive ‘gypsy vacation’.
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Look how happy they all look
“HOUSES AREN’T SAFE. Toasters are frightening and there are at least 50 blender related deaths yearly. Yikes.”
Hehehe. Best internet comment of the year.
For me, I dislike America. I dislike the culture, the increasing amount of diversity, the lack of morality and the no sense of unity or comradery between myself and my coworkers/neighbors. I have no sense of loyalty to this nation or my countrymen. So opting out for me, really just means leaving the country or not working to pay for immoral taxes to support immoral acts. I can’t do neither and I wouldn’t want to not work a well paying job.
If all men opt out, we can expect civilization to collapse, and reset back to probably when Rome fell, to tribal lands and/or feudalism.
This is the irony I’ve tried hammering into these idiots over and over and over again. They idealize the military as this sort of frat type jock culture, washed, bled into with masculinity. Yet the military is defending the same cultural Marxism which is destroying that same culture. Mind boggling how stupid the pro Zog Bots are.
what the hell is wrong with you? you’re a man. create success for yourself not on how you can gain the system or live simply. you’re a man for christ’s sake. it’s like you’ve given up. you know a lot of us that are aggressive in business just didn’t do it because we had a family it’s because we want to be better than you and bang women you can’t get. jesus what the fuck is wrong with you. strive to dominate not suck back into a minimalistic existence or else the rest of us out here will eat your lunch.
Just a thought exercise, bud, calm down before you get a rupture. I’m neither the dude in the leading picture, nor is this how I behave currently.
Raising a family is for men that are in touch of their feminine side
Men that were delivering pizzas aren’t going to magically become corporate businessmen just because they got married will likely end up with a big hole in their pocket and end up living in a cardboard box
The part about fuel isn’t even applicable if you can walk, bike, or use public transportation to get to work.
You might want to correct this article, in many states you cannot get on welfare if you are a man. Same with section 8 housing you cannot get it if you are a man.
Duly noted.
All you need to motivate a man to better work is an “expensive” hobby. An expensive hobby that gets most girls wet is best. For me, that was flying. It has a touch of danger, and then there’s the “mile high club” angle. That’s an instant panty dropper for most women. At the very least she’s gonna blow you while flying, at best she’s gonna climb on later since she’s already swallowed cause there isn’t a place to spit in the plane sweetheart.
Side bonus: the guy WILL lose weight because W&B (plus easy dick access for her) is important, which also means she’s likely to be better looking as well.
I’ve been out of work for three months and only just got on welfare because I had savings, had to burn through that before being granted.
I definitely don’t like being unemployed (which I have been intermittently over the last 2 years), but I don’t know one person in the city I am currently in either and no family. My industry has been up and down and this is the 4th time i have moved to a new place with no plan other than improvement and a wage to do it with.
Been going to interviews everywhere trying to score a job and living a very low cost lifestyle with barely enough to get me by.
I’ve roughed it living in my car a few times now, no rent in that regard saves a shitload of green paper.
Sadly this lifestyle is encouraged by today’s social paradigm. Another symptom of our social disease and the ongoing breakdown of the western culture.
That’s great. Women working hard and advancing in their careers and getting the economy going. Men working minimum, living partly on welfare and food stamps, going to the gym to build a body, learning game and sleeping with lots of women. Maybe even become gigolos to the women with high powered careers. Women get all the stress, pay all the taxes and men build awesome bodies, learn game and sleep with a harem. Sounds awesome! What are you western idiots complaining about?
Yeah, giving up your independence and letting women control you economically is such a staggeringly good plan.
Nope! You control them with your cock. Build a body, learn game, game the welfare system, do some part time work in a garage or something. And watch women blow money on you. The thrill of stealing from welfare is something else altogether. A real testosterone booster if you ask me.
that’s degenerate. I have too much self respect for that.
But marrying a woman and becoming a legal slave is not? Not having children and dying a genetic death is not?
Marriage can be good or bad so marriage in itself is not degenerate. Both men and women can use marriage for the wrong things.
We’re all legal slaves but that only shows that we’re getting raped by the system, making the system degenerate. The people becoming degenerate is only a result of that system. Think back to history where nearly everything they did was degenerate and laws were passed, now we see those things as degenerate.
I think you miss the point of my criticism. I called your opinion/actions degenerate because it involves scamming or leeching off of people. Do you really need me to tell you that this is degenerate? Why don’t you have your own money so you don’t have to get welfare? Why do women pay for everything and why aren’t you paying your half? It’s about being independent so that nobody can control you but at the same time you’re not negatively affecting anybody else.
Why not? This is what America fought for during WW2. Why are these idiots complaining?
…because you’ve just described the inner-city culture and the decimation of the black family. Only substitute government welfare empowering women to be able to eject men from the family for women with high powered careers.
Result will be the same- decimation of the family in the middle and upper middle classes with all the same dysfunction of crime/violence/substance abuse-just in nicer neighborhoods.
Who’s complaining? I’m making serious bank and have women all but dying to get a piece of my action. I didn’t study “game” and am extremely selective regarding who I sleep with. Women with high powered careers are sad, lonely and desperate. Why would any self respecting man want to dip his wick in that sad mess? Most of those types aren’t really intelligent to begin with and can’t hold a conversation for jack besides talking about themselves.
Much like your comment.
He would dip his wick in that for some serious cash, Foo! Maybe you have a job that is interesting. Most men do not. Would it not be better for them to build a body, learn game and sexually dominate women for money?
If I was any better looking I would definitely go down this route.
But most of the men who learn game stop at having sex, so your interesting supposition that they will dominate women for money is pretty weak. Name calling is also pretty weak and not too intelligent to begin with, which may explain your fantasy.
Look, those women have to have sex with someone right? And it is not gonna be with the science nerds or the corporate slaves. It will be you! The muscular, charming, international man of leisure. Think out of the box, my man!
Muscular guys are all good looking. Hit the Gym, my man!
I happen to be a “science nerd”. I’m also a corporate shitlord. I’ve been a card carrying member of a power lifting team. I drive fast cars and powerful motorcycles and women beg to get on (all of it).
Women get it when you’re using them for money and see that for what it is: beta. Don’t attempt to school me, youngster.
Alright Alright. Not all of us are multi-talented like you. Your method might be suited to Jedi Knights or Sith Lords. But not all us have such talents. For the rest of us infantrymen and foot soliders, I still submit that living off of women and the government is the best solution. Better we live off women and the government than they live off us.
What is ambition really, functionally, practically in this society? It’s selling out everything about yourself for the approval of the system or to game the system for your own benefit measured in money and power over others. Sure there’s still some ambition for personal achievement and such but at some point everyone will be confronted by the nature of the systems that run this society. This will either become the limit of one’s achievement or he will compromise himself with little exception.
But what has happened with regard to women? Feminism has given women the ability to marry the state. The ability to select only the top 20% of men based on what excites them sexually. When women had practical concerns they had to prioritize practical things like a man’s economic and practical value. Now the state will steal the resources from productive men for them. Things get done by calling various services and a corporate career means they can pay for it or they don’t have a career, get it from government. There’s no longer a need for a practical man.
So when you’re in the bottom 80% you can learn game and pretend to be what women are selecting for. But you have to keep that up for life or else. That’s long haul of a lot of work with a huge penalty in divorce court if the act ever cracks. It’s a lot of work. There’s a high cost involved. When the price of anything goes up, demand goes down.
Feminism is based on the idea that the price of sex and marriage for men can be infinitely high. But that’s untrue. The price is now too high. Men will either only earn what they need or earn what they can and keep it. Keep what the state doesn’t steal. Feminism’s response has been demean all men who refuse to play and demand more confiscation from the productive.
I’m currently living off of 16 to 18 while using the gi bill and getting disability from the military. It’s really easy even with my car payment and bills. Only reason I found to get a job is out of sheer boredom at this point. I did game heavily for a time with GW2 and BDO but that lost its luster to me after I realized how repetitive it was and the grinding.
I’ve come to terms with myself never having a family. I’m going to ride out the rest of my life in academia racking up student loans and never paying them, renting out a room and wasting my life. To be honest, it feels good. I’m sure there are better lives out there but they are beyond my reach.
It’s not about defeatist or work. You can not work and still be king. I’m going to live on social welfare for the next ten years, save everything while building my empire full time on the side. This is the plan for my thirties. In my fourties it will be time to grow up and settle down, so I’m shooting for a couple girls who can bear my dozen kids.
Save money on welfare?, clue me in.
I guess it depends on your government, but if it’s high enough it’s possible. Keep your assets secret, or not under your name. Some countries have the banking secret too. Hell, I did the same and used up all my savings before asking for welfare but once I did, I wasn’t even asked or checked about my finances.
“I was just living, but not having a life.” Pssh, been there and coming back a 3rd time. Its nice in many ways. I cant keep spending time and money on girls or breaking my back and head at work for a job that will eventually leave me.
What was the point of this piece? It instructs a man on how much he needs to earn if he aspires to be a fat, Warcraft geek who moves out of mom’s basement.
Not all RoK articles are instructional, although most of mine are. The point, as it were, for this one was to illustrate a symptom of the general malaise of society. Perhaps also to encourage people to not work harder than they need to do so to live well.
This entire article was depressing, and reading through the comments was equally so. At least the author makes an attempt at the end to discourage living like this, whereas half the comments I browsed through were saying this would be a great deal.
What happened to having self respect as a man? I could have a job at Target by this afternoon. And then I guess spend my time dying my hair different colors, getting those horrible spacers in my ears, and covering my forearms and neck with ugly tattoos. (I was at Target last night, and the cashier had the ghost from Pac-Man tattooed on his wrist. Smart choice!)
But I’d much rather stay making good money at my white collar job, keep doing powerlifting meets, and keep getting better all around. And I’m not doing this for the women in my life, or cause society tells me to, or whatever. I’m doing it for me. Never lose your self respect.
Honestly… I couldn’t agree more. Any man who lives like this does not have my respect… because he does not respect himself. I busted my ass for 9 years in school. I toiled and struggled and stayed up endless nights not for someone else, but for me. Now I own my own business… I employ other people (all women)… and I call my shots. If I don’t like someone, employee or client, I tell them to go fuck off. I make great money… and most importantly I respect myself. Any other able bodied and mentally sound man on the planet can do what I did. Don’t throw your life away being a chump.
There’s something to be said for living a spartan, simple life. I agree. There’s something to not giving a fuck about what other people think of or expect from you. I agree. There’s nothing good about not giving a fuck about yourself.
Both ways of life yours included involve you taking care of you.
Yes. And?
You chose you path he chose his. Your paths are not based on societal approval. That is the point.
Because, for most young men there’s really no point in trying hard. Feminism and social Marxism has pretty much thoroughly destroyed western society, and is on track to destroy the east as well. The economy has been in a slump for the last decade, and it doesn’t look like it will ever really come back. The women of today are far more damaged than any other time in history. If you’re a young man looking for some kind of meaningful relationship with the opposite sex, unfortunately you were born too late for that. Why did men in days past work so hard? Because they had the love and respect of a good woman who was a sexual outlet for him, cooked for him and cleaned his home and allowed him to pass on his genes. Today, we’re reverting back to the sexual practices of our hunter-gatherer past, where the top men are dominating almost all the women. Your average young man will likely spend his youth absolutely deprived of any kind of female companionship, and it is only when these women are done being the toys of the alpha males that they will begin to see any kind of attention. Only a handful of men are able to motivate themselves simply due to sheer inner will. The rest of us need some kind of incentive. In days past, that was a family. Today that incentive is gone. Why should we work hard? Because you tell us so? Fuck it. If I’m going to wind up a genetic dead end anyway, I might as well do whatever makes me even slightly happy.
If you know what you are doing you can still have a family and a good wife. You just have to be extremely picky or import the wife.
I’m only going to touch on the economic aspect of your post as the rest sounds like a MGTOW screed. The present “free market” system is dying of its own internal contradictions. Its inability to grow, create good jobs, crony capitalism, “too big to fail” and offshoring jobs are all evidence of this. We are in late stage capitalism now. Even the social depravities you mention are proof of that. We’re headed inexorably towards a publicly-owned economy. The dialectic at work. That’s the real red pill. Embrace it.
That is self respect as a man.
This article started out awesome then seriously disappointed. I am as redpill as it gets and even I say blaming women for the indentured servitude based economy is seriously misguided, This would have been an excellent article if it was Captain Capitalism style “How to get on Welfare” and/or how “welfare benefits beats any job that pays less than $60,000 a year.” More and more men are waking up to the fact that a career is modern day slavery and the right path is emigration or entrepreneurship. Make an easy case for beta males to reject the system and women will follow suite.
Funny– all this was predicted by George Gilder in ‘Men and Marriage’ a couple of decades ago. A single guy really doesn’t need a lot of material to be happy and fulfilled. I know a kid who went from high school into the power companies lineman apprentice program, worked a few years and is now touring/backpacking around the world. Saved plenty of money only having to support himself. Didn’t need a nice place to live or a nice car, wasn’t worried about supporting kids. Traveling he’s staying in bottom of the line type hostels etc. Know another man who is an avid surfer, works a couple years saving up, travel to the worlds best surfing spots for a year, then repeat cycle. Hasn’t met a woman yet that he feels adds anything substantial to his life.
I need to read that.
How much for a trip to Thailand 3 times a year? Or how much for a monthly trip to Mexico or Canada to bang prostitues? You got to factor in those costs too, man!
While living minimally has its place (for some), I’d rather succeed for myself if nothing else. The house is paid off, no other debts, the car runs good, have some financial assets, always willing to learn new things to better myself as a man, gainfully-employed, etc. These are qualities I assume women would want in a man. So far (borrowing from another commenter), I have yet to meet a woman who would add anything substantial to my life.
An engineer’s salary is better than other majors, but with the economy down, always good to save some bank. Job market a bit lame these days. You also get the joy of paying the higher tax rate to support the warfare state and peoples stupid life decisions.
Luke, is that a self portrait up top? Jesus Tap Dancing Christ, has self esteem really hit the shitter that hard? (Edit: I was MGTOW before MGTOW was cool; mid eighties.)
It’s not me; it’s about the fifth picture in a Google images search for “neckbeard.”
My faith is restored. The rainbow effect had me losing my dinner and I’ve moved on to a 12 year old cask aged single malt. For that, I thank you.
I concur. Let women provide for themselves, work on their own. They will be surprised when they realize that men have lost interest, and men’s lives are becoming more relaxing while theirs more stressful.
Have it all you bitches.
“So far, we are running a yearly total of $18,300. Yes, it was an ideal situation”
For readers who has limited experience outside the US i would like to set this number into perspective.
In parts of eastern europe (like RO) you could live very comfortably with this amount of money and it would be np to have a SAHM and children plus middle class lifestyle. No joke.
In parts of southern america a whole family – no other income – could live with this money in a 10 bedroom house, have an SUV, have a maid, have a pool, eat the best local foods (like quality lomo (steak)) several times a week, cooked by above mentioned maid or the SAHM, have 3+ kids who also have their stuff etc etc.
This again is NO JOKE.
Put it into perspective. What may be a very basic income in the US and not exactly makes you middle class in western europe, even less would allow you to have a family….would very well do so in other parts of this world.
In the fiftie’s everyone got married in their twenties or earlier. Woman had morals and couldn’t sleep around because no one else was.
Then the pill hit the market in 1960. Soon in stead of 5% “loose” girls it was 10% because they knew they wouldn’t get caught with a pregnancy.
In a few years another 10% realized that the looser 10% were “doing it”.
The percentage of “liberated” females then went to 20%. You can see how this snow balled.
Finally abortion on demand made women think they had an iron clad guarantee they wouldn’t get caught in a situation. (Also there was penicillin for “other” problems).
But there weren’t enough guys who were 8 on the 1-10 scale to go around.
So they started dating married 8’s, or time shared an 8 who was single.
The ultimate result among whites has been a below replacement level birth rate and a lot of p.o.’d guys who were 6’s or below. Society is on the verge of collapse, all because of two generations of loose women (pretty much the norm) steming from the pill and consequent moral collapse.
If you are a young guy looking for a family, swallow your pride and marry an over weight girl. Not a whale, just maybe packing an extra 20 lbs.
An get into a conservative social group. Join the Amish or some conservative church group. I don’t know of any conservative social groups outside certain churches.
Not all churches have a conservative moral culture.
Hmm to me the single most important criteria for wife is never having taken the pill. Ever.
It is the most telling factor also about promiscuity in most cases.
About marriage to an overweight chubby, I guess if she passes the boner test but I am more for people being very picky. Not necessarily about looks, but health in general, as it’s very important for the future of the children she bears.
I’d been looking to get married for 10 years after college.
Some years I had no dates.
I decided I’d have to cut my requirements some where.
So I thought it over and decided to go with moderately over weight.
I was married within 18 months.
The later divorce was due to bad luck.
A young man who’s been looking for 5 years had better decide where he is willing to compromise before it’s too late.
The best thing is to just crank down your sites a tad and see if things pick up.
If they don’t crank you sites down a bit more till you get some where.
Fair point but I think if you have he moolah to do it, widen the net geographically rather than lowering requirements imo.
I mean, you don’t want to lower the bar too much or at all in many areas like notch count zero/one and no pill, otherwise you have set your family and marriage up for failure from the start. There is tons of research done on these things.
I decided I wanted to get married and it took me about the same amount of time from start to wedding as it did for you. Maybe a little longer. But the only bar I lowered was age, but nothing of the rest. Ideally I wanted a bit younger but they were flakey as hell so fuck it. 2 months after the wedding she was pregnant.
The difference is that you have to Kung fu with the officials over paperwork and travel a fair bit and all this of course costs a lot of money.
But that said I think everyone benefits from being realistic about what they can attain, and go from there. Anything else will lead to failure I think in all but the rarest of cases.
If you start out with an overweight female before childbirth, see what she will look like after…
Fat women are for poor guys.
You sir are crazy.
I was about a 4 on a scale from 1 -10, a bit short and mildly autistic.
If you are better than that you have options I didn’t. I’m happy for you.
Poor in cash had nothing to do with me. I was working as an engineer.
The thing is too that you can take that overweight girl and get her to start eating right and exercising together. In a couple of months to a year you’ll have yourself a hottie.
Nice idea, but my observation in life is not so much maybe.
Spouses often come to resent attempts to make them over.
It also brings up the idea “you don’t like the way I look”.
Then you can end up in a divorce, which is one of the really bad things that can happen in a life.
I’d guess that if you feel it would be unbearable to live the rest of your life with someone who may not improve themselves you’d best move on.
In my marriage she DID lose about 20 lbs after we married, but then she found someone better and lost me.
Feminism is Jew-construct created by Gloria Steinem for the purpose of destroying White people through an underhanded ideology. While preaching equality as a virtue, its real purpose is to drive a wedge in between men and women to create an antagonistic relationship between the two. Institutions need a well-defined leader, whether it’s a football team (coach), a university (dean) or an army (general). A marriage is an institution, and feminism demands that it not have a leader. Of course a marriage will fail just as much as a football team would without a coach, an army without a general etc. That is the real goal of Jew-feminism. Destruction of marriage and family.
Did you happen to notice how the raping invaders in Germany were given a pass when they attacked women in Cologne? Feminists were silent, and it may have seemed odd if you didn’t know the real motives of jewess Gloria Steinem. That’s because the jew-feminists enjoyed seeing White people (in this case, women) get attacked. You’d think they’d have thrown a fit and defended women. Not at all. Jew-feminism’s real purpose is the destruction of the White family and this article shows how that wedge driven in between men and women causes the men to opt-out and the result is fewer families followed by fewer White children. Read Dailystormer if you’d like to know more.
Excellent post!
Lol. The feeble mind of the female. You realise that feminism hit the minority communities hard before it even started to take effect on whites, right?
Gotta say I like most of your points. What I find hilarious is how this feminine philosophy is changing the world. With more women around the world watching re-runs of ‘Sex in the City’, the typical legal dramas where everyone is f*cking everyone else.
Women are looking for that liberal dream. What’s hilarious is women always had the moral power within their family.
Now, men are starting to win alimony in divorces. Many women are too delusional to understand why men usually died first – stress.
One thing I do hope that happens is than this current generation of house-husbands and single dads can learn how to raise GOOD, QUALITY kids. From what I see most of the sub-25 kids in the Americas are pointless and serve no purpose because they never had anyone raising them. They were raised by nursery schools run by perverts or simply by the TV. They don’t learn morals or responsibility anymore. They can’t take care of themselves, because (at most), all their parents ever did was throw money at their kids so they would leave them alone and let the parents live their lives.
For those who travel in the Americas you have seen this happening in every other country. My $.01 (f*cking inflation!)
This is all emblematic of late-stage capitalism, a system dying of its own internal contradictions. But RoK articles never seem to call out the obvious in this case.
A good analysis, but it is sad that an article like this can be written and considered a reasonable path these days.
“”Says here
I can make $10 an hour minimum working at Wal Mart. That is 2,104 hours
of work over the year which puts me at just over 40 hours a week and a
week’s vacation. Might even make some overtime.””
Trust me. They dont pay overtime at Walmart. I personally know people that work there.
Point taken.
I’m pretty much who this topic is about. I take home 2200 per month and I don’t really feel the urge to do more. I can, but I work 4 days a week and basically read at work. I spend my 3 days off writing my book.
Here is the thing though. I have a son. I wanted a son, but not some leech to go with. Just so happens I got a girl pregnant who is not American (western)
She may be as evil as other women, but she has honestly put up with a lot of my shit. Won’t get into details, but I’m glad I chose a non westernized woman to have a kid with.
Anyway, I’m saying the world is a big place. The moment men realize they don’t have to stay in the store and pic from trash is the moment they can take their business elsewhere.
Western woman are no longer worth the capital, so why are we even still discussing them? No one argues about how that wall mart ring may or may not be fake. We know it’s fake. Only saps who don’t care buy it.
The incentive to brag about your wealth goes away when you don’t care (anymore) about “wooing” women and don’t want a family. Why work hard for a nice car, for a big house? Men generally don’t care about owning a lot of clothes or shoes. And you don’t need to buy an expensive watch to impress girls or go to a club every other week to pickup some carrouselrider. So, I get that. Minimalism is nothing to be ashamed of. Saving instead of spending. Great.
But…being addicted to playing videogames once you are beyond 25 years old? Not exercising and slowly getting fat? Living on a low income? Who are you punishing with that? Only yourself. If you want to punish females in the west, you should make something of yourself, let (over the wall) women smell your money, fuck ‘m and don’t give them anything. No money, no commitment. You don’t need to flash gadgets or property for women to know you have money. They can smell it in the way you behave. Confident, you can hint, your frugaligy, a middleclass job and the absence of children says enough: this man has a nice savingsaccount. But you should use women as sextoys now that you, as a 30+ year old professional with money, brains and knowledge, can. That is a payback, not being fat and poor.
Indeed. I did recover from this a few years ago.
pay them back for what? LMAO wtf
“Women only want to ride the cock of 20 percent of men.” Translation: “I’m an unpleasant, out of shape lout with no personality that no decent women would give the time of day to.”
You have been one Tinder once? Then you know the sexual dating market is skewed.
I’m reasonably pleasant, fairly in shape, have a personality, and even know not to end sentences with prepositions. Considering the argument separate from the issuer is fundamental to reason.
It was a quick post from a smartphone, not an essay for a peer-reviewed journal. No reason to go grammar Nazi. I’ve seen posts on this forum that make mine look elegant in comparison. As for your self-assessment, I’ll have to take your word for it.
“One of the upcoming negative effects of feminism that has yet to take
hold in the United States is the increasing prevalence of the
unmotivated, single man in the workplace.”
Don’t worry. That’s most assuredly coming.
Over the past couple of years I’ve noticed good looking girls who used to be reserved for guys with cash and nice cars now hanging out with poor guys. As the economy slakens, girls are finding less prime target males, and have to compete more. Now they’re dropping their standards and going after any wallet they can.
Hehe, I can sympathize, as a 30 year old engineer with no wife and no kids and minimal expenses, i could do with a lot less.
Say what you want, but the man pictured under the title is clearly in control of his own destiny and takes shit from no one.
be that guy
I’m tens of thousands of hours of self improvement away from achieving his level of success. I sincerely doubt that i could reach such epic heights of masculinity even after years of discipline.
Divorced guys live like this still making 50k plus 40 to 60 hrs or more a week.
Good article, the only problem with this is it doesn’t address getting laid.
Watching porn and jacking off will only go so far, every once in awhile I need to feel a hot sluts lips on your cock and blow a load in her.
Hiring a hooker works, but it’s illegal in most parts of the US and it’s an additional expense which can become expensive.
Illegal, except in Nevada (but not within the city limits of Las Vegas).
Frankly, this is the end result of feminism, merely because most feminists have zero understanding of cause and effect. Guys were willing to work suicidal hours, put themselves through hell, if they felt that having a family, and providing for them was worth it. It’s not, because husbands and fathers get NO respect in our dysfunctional society. Once upon a time, a husband that provided for his family was seen as a pillar of the community, he was seen as something good. I worked those low wage jobs back in my college days and even if I lived a minimalist existence, I wouldn’t go back to those jobs.
Like Chris Rock said, if it wasn’t for women, men would live in a cardboard box.
I don’t consider this “dropping out.” Now, I, on the other hand, have dropped out. I moved to a tent in the woods, year-around, in western Michigan about 30 feet from the train tracks. I have no rent, no car, no TV, no phone, no utilities, no bank account, no debit/credit cards, no insurance, no licenses, and haven’t filed or paid income taxes in well over 10 years. I don’t even have a photo ID. I follow the tracks to and from work (snow plowed by the train every other day or so) and live about 100 yards from Meijers and Walmart. I use the internet for free at McDonalds where I order pretty much anything I need using no-fee Amazon gift cards and eat pretty much for free at the restaurant I work at. I negotiated a flat $7 per hour (plus tips) from the owner who pays me in cash each day. I have the best equipment that money can buy: a $950.00 expedition tent from Cabela’s, a couple of $500.00 zero-degree sleeping bags and another warm-weather model, propane heat for getting in and out of the bag in warmth, a dozen flashlights and lanterns, a half-dozen pairs of boots for various weather conditions, and a $2000.00 bicycle (which I rarely use – much easier to walk). I go out with my daughter and friends a couple of times a week and always pay for everything for my daughter and much more than my fair share with friends. When we travel, I always pay for the hotel and gas. This last year for Christmas I gave my daughter $2,000.00 cash, an entire set of living room furniture for her apartment, $400.00 vinyl record player and a half-dozen other fun things and am well-over that pace for this coming Christmas. During the year she needed a laptop when hers crashed and I gave her $1200.00 for a new Mac. This kind of living is not for everyone but this is about single guys with no kids at home. Word of advice if you’re considering doing this; do NOT scrimp and acquire bargain equipment. It won’t last and most of it is way too visible. Anonymity is your friend.
Well,it’ll all come crashing down-by 2025 at the latest-if the 99.999999% wake up and realize that the ENORMOUS CHASM between them-US (I’m assuming nobody here is a multi-millionaire) and the overlords has sundered U.S. unity and is turning America into
the richest Third World country,with the politicians siphoning labour and other rights from Joe and Jane,ladling EVEN MORE LARGESSE on their filthy rich masters (both “Dumb-O-Crats” and “Re-Thuglicans”)
and imprisoning people either behind bars (see “mass incarceration”),
squalid,crumbling cities,infrastucture,schools and EVEN SUBURBS
(Flint,anyone?) and gated “community” prisons of the affluent.
Nothing like big boob birds!!!!!
Thank you for showing me the King of the Neckbeard Basement Dwellers.
It will all come crashing down. Women are both unwilling, and for the most part unable to do the difficult and demanding jobs done by men. Privileged princesses aren’t the ones building office towers and suspension bridges. Also, they’re not working in coal mines and sewers.
Women want lots of money, prestige, and an easy life – and most still look to men for this. Feminists are too blind, to stupid, or both to realize once the men decide to no longer be beasts of burden in a feminist controlled society that blames them for absolutely everything that’s wrong with the world and wrong with women’s lives in particular, and choose a career stocking shelves at Walmart – and why wouldn’t they – because marriage is a no sum game for men anymore when a woman has the legal right to destroy her husband on a whim – it’s all going to come crashing down. Maybe at this point men’s human rights will finally be addressed.
This article is sadly not true in some countries outside of USA.
i dont get you american cunts 🙂 18.000 Dollar a year, that what you call living cheap, dude, i am from Berlin in Germany, and i am gonna teach you how to live on a REAL BUDGET
FIRST, live in your parents basement, so you DONT PAY ANY rent
SECOND, buy ALL your food at supermarket, and eat like a king for
only 200 Dollar a month, AVOID all bullshit expenses
THIRD/ given that you have a low paying job and your expenses are low too, you should be able to save at least 1000 Dollar per month
or 12.000 per year.
LAST- now quit your job and fly to Thailand for 3 months, splash out and spend about 6000 Dollar, have the time of your life. Come back to home country work for another year, remember you still got 6000 in the bank. Thank me later
You’re speaking my language bro
Learning game just to fuck some bitch who give you a hard time to put out isn’t worth it. I rather fuck escorts & spend my free time practice my hobbies or find ways to better myself.
Man gets married, has children, works crazy amount of hours, tired all the time, no time to spend with his children, 5-10 years into family/marriage wife files for “no-fault divorce”. Man loses children, home, wife, 50% or more of his take home pay. Now emotionally, spiritually, mentally and financially “BROKEN”, the man is left with very little or nothing of real worth!
And society/women demand that men “Man-up”, be a “Man” and then wonder why we “Men” are increasingly electing to not have anything to do with them.
Never ever get married! Never ever live with a woman, many states have a “Common Law Marriage” and you will still get screwed. Never ever live with a woman that already has a child(ren). You could end up paying “Child Support” for a child that is not biologically yours! Don’t believe me? Look it up online and you will see that all of this is true and happening to men in Western Culture countries.
You have been warned. Please protect yourself first. It’s simply not worth it!