I received an email from a female ROK reader who wants to stay off the carousel and be a mother before focusing on her career, but is not sure how to do it.
I am a seventeen year old high school student who has been reading RoK and your blog for three years. My attention was first caught by the controversy surrounding the “Five Reasons to Date a Girl with an Eating Disorder” article. Most of my liberal friends were criticizing it, but I was intrigued by a site called “Return of Kings.” As a result, I became a regular site visitor as a fourteen year old.
Your sites have had a notable impact on my opinions and actions. Granted, I take many articles with a grain of salt, but I have found interesting and valid perspectives there (and opinions rarely voiced on my liberal, all-girls school campus).
I find myself considering several options as to my future. I believe that all people, not just women, can have anything they want, but not everything they want. This is the apparent crux of the issues your writers discuss regarding women.
I want a husband, children, and a career. Even looking at successful women with children (e.g. Ann-Marie Slaughter, Sheryl Sandberg), their hectic lives and cutthroat attitudes were less than appealing options for my future.
However, I began consider an alternative route to starting a high-powered career in my twenties, getting hitched and having kids mid-thirties, and subsequently being stressed and miserable. I am considering getting married young (22 would be ideal) to an older, (approx 10 years) wealthy man, having children soon after, raising them, and then start my career in my late thirties.
This way I would be young and healthy in order to have my children, have enough energy to raise them, and still have time for a career (given that my lifespan is estimated around 90 years, starting work around age forty is plenty of time for a career).
I am not asking for advice on the career aspect. I can figure that out myself (I assume I would complete a graduate degree while raising my kids, work part time if possible, then transition to full time as my kids go off to college).
I am asking for advice on if it’s possible for me to find such a man (10 years older, wealthy, willing to marry me), and if so, how. To answer this you should probably know my vital SMV statistics:
I am white;
I am young (and intend to marry/have kids young);
I am facially decent (I can send a picture if you would like, though I request total privacy);
I have long hair, clear skin, and good teeth;
I have a very good physique;
I have excellent hygiene;
I was taught domestic skills by my mother (cooking, cleaning, etc);
I am intelligent (although a woman’s intelligence is considered negligible on RoK, I still consider it an asset);
I am a virgin (never gone beyond kissing).
I’m also American, and will probably remain in America for college, if that information is of use.
Thank you for your time.
Besides her fixation on having a career (albeit after having a family), she has the right idea. She’s already made the right moves to maximize her value in the eyes of a man and has also held on to her virginity. The question that needs to be asked is where she can find an older man in America who wants to marry a virgin and start a family.
Outside of a church community, she has almost no hope. My answer to her would definitely involve joining a church that hasn’t already been subverted by feminism. I’d advise her to go with the Orthodox Christians or the Mormons. And yet another option is for me to help “arrange” a marriage between her and an ROK reader who is ready to be an alpha provider. What say you, reader?
Even though we have been greatly maligned by the press for several years, our message is still having an impact on young men and apparently young women, too, who can see through the media distortions for the practical advice and logical arguments that we offer. While ROK isn’t a huge outlet, it’s definitely making a positive difference on many lives.
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My sister is 17 turning 18 this fall. My advice: Be a bigger brother and tell her all the red pill truths when she is a teenager. So far I think I’ve been on the right path, she’s slim, super healthy, religious, is vying away from collegiate pursuits despite the parents both pushing them down her throat, and more interested in becoming a mother. It’s possible but a daughter/sister takes more coaching, a girl outside of your kin is probably unable to be helped in this matter.
“Don’t let yourself be brainwashed by the left or the mainstream media.”
“Also, here’s this thing called the red pill, it works wonders, trust me…”
here’s my email sweety. I’m a small business owner, 29.
[email protected]
When is your 18th birthday?
this sounds like one of those chris hanson ‘to catch a predator’ setups.
Some national magazine wants an article about whatever ROK guy takes the bait.
maybe I’m just cynical. Girl – when do you turn 18?
I’m 29 I plan to date teenage girls as long as I can
Yep. Quite articulate for an average 17 year old American girl. Maybe she’s atypical but I’d run this one through a screening protocol surpassing that of the highest level of national security.
I can totally imagine that.
Boy – I turn eighteen in January of next year.
Let the ideas of career go.
Instead, you can choose from a multitude of hobbies (writing, painting, reading, playing etc) and have time to be with friends. You can even run an online business part time if you want.
See it as a blessing to not have to work 40+ hours a week for unknown company owners who won’t care much if you live or die. You’re easily replaceable to them, but not to your family.
Instead of a career, have more kids. They are the most enduring and meaningful contribution to the world you (and almost anyone really) is likely to make.
And as a mother you’re essentially a teacher. You get to teach an elite class with relatively few students, all of whom you love 😉
Once the kids are cared for, it is perfectly appropriate for her to start a home based business. I see that as a net positive.
Don’t conflate ‘career’ and ‘working for unknown company owners’. My advice to the young woman, if she exists, would be to have the family, but keep aware of what’s happening in the world, and when you’re ready, start your own business. It might be something small, like a flower shop, or it could turn into something really big – like Mrs. Fields’ cookies.
The dad seems a shadow figure in this picture, the cookies, the mom’s business and all. Everything must revolve around the patriarch. Her homage to him is to be sacrosanct. The west is a complete wreck and the rules of moderation go out the window. The surviving and rebirth of the west will be like the dead walking out of the mustard trenches and then cleaving to the most extreme and righteous forms of patriarchy ever practiced. It’s the only medicine and shock that will keep driving the awakening until the day when MAN RETURNS TO THE THRONE!!
How many children? Do you want just two or a full house? What age do you (currently) want to have your last child?
Note by looking for an older man you will also have to find one who will stay interested and not stray after you’ve stopped with the children.
I would be looking at his family, not just him – religion is one thing, but if he is from a large family where they want grandkids, you will be better off than with a singleton.
If you aren’t religious and he is (or vice versa) it will cause tension as whose views control the religion of the children.
Another plus is if you would homeschool.
If she wants an “alpha” provider, and not just an older provider, she’ll have to do what all alpha women do throughout history; be like Hillary and other wives of the rich and famous, turn a blind eye to the odd bit of straying, as long as he keeps his financial egg basket in her hands, and his resources focused on her children.
There is nothing Alpha about Bill Clinton or anybody who apologizes and cries like a litte bitch in public because he enjoyed the variety of some younger groupie poosay. What’s the point of being rich and famous if you can’t?
I will accidentally get you pregnant and force you to marry me.
I have honestly been wanting to ask about the matchmaker thing for quite awhile. It seems communities throughout history always had a matchmaker culture that proudly married young women to well off men.
“He makes $4,000 a year!”
“She is a handsome faced maiden!”
“Think of the babies!” *fans face*
17. American. Girl. Writes with perfect grammar, going as far as writing out “seventeen” instead of using “17.” Even college girls don’t write like that. Sounds like a journalist to me.
Aw shucks, man. Not one in 100 Americans use a semicolon correctly, certainly not your typical 17-year old. If this was a teenager’s letter, it was polished by someone who writes for a living.
I thought more girls in the US enjoy using their colons these days, especially virgins, or is that just xojane BS?
Although when there’s a parenthetical I think the punctuation marks are supposed to be inside the closing paren, which just doesn’t look right to me.
She is in a private all girls school, probably catholic. They do teach grammar at such schools. They still drill those skills hard
I thought that was just the middle eastern “muslim” and “catholic” latina girls because technically they are still virgins afterwards?
That isn’t all “they drill hard”
Not just, the poopschute is where the party’s at, just read Sulkowotz’s emails.
And she pays attention?
And “To answer this you should probably know my vital SMV statistics”.
She’s either a journalist, trying hard to prove herself or a total nerd. Although that is not necessarily a bad thing. Then again, getting married to such an intellectual monster…
Then again, getting married to such an intellectual monster… would be hot, just imagine the brainy offspring.
Maybe I should have phrased it in a different way. What I meant was … imagine she is talking like she writes all the time. Imagine you are in bed with her and she tries to rationally analyze which position is the most pleasurable etc. That would drive me mad.
I see… solution to that if it’s a chronic case is something like a ball-gag, perhaps.
Heh, brother. We are thinking the same way!
I actually speak much more colloquially than I write.
Okay, let’s test you. How would you tell me that you want my penis in your mouth?
I’m also an honest person, so I don’t think I can do that.
Oh man, you’re like a cartoon character. Well, have your fun.
And the divorce rape…sounds awesome !
I used to sleep with conservative radio talk shows playing on the snooze. Can you imaging sleeping next to a brainy woman like this:
You wouldn’t need a radio anymore.
Maybe there is something worse than wives growing fat and ugly – wives starting to believe their opinions matter.
You are describing a man…
That simply isn’t possible.
One would need a ball-gag and earplugs. Mercy…
She gets even better
Julie Borowski was a typical girl raised conservative and then she started a youtube channel. She made many short 2-4 min clips on traditional issues and red pill related subjects. She retained a goofy unprofessional but cute style. She was known as ‘Token Libertarian Girl’ and became a darling with alt righters and libertarians. And what did her efforts get her??
http://I.vimeocdn.com/video/438544277_1280x720.jpg
She was quickly wifed up by one of her followers who was an orthodox Russian guy and who also luckily had a little bit of game. Julia Borowski and Aleksei Gerkin wed in 2013. They have one or two small children now.
Seeing her many youtube clips, Julie’s vids would be a great suppliment to homeschooling curriculum, kind of like kid house rock or multiplication rock. Being a young mother now with obligations herself, this girl got what she ordered. She put out her cute face on youtube with red pill messages and she got a trad orthodox man. She gets invited by libertarians to do a speech on a campus now and then but with little ones, the tit feeding comes first.
Tit feeding, is it safe after Kratom ingestion?
Nothing will ever be safe after kratom ingestion. Safe is for faggots!
Lovely story, but fanboi-ism, as well as other forms of internet arrangements are considered beta.
The first I heard of ‘Token Libertarian Girl’ was a mention on Alex Jones show. He wasn’t plugging her but just mentioned her name. I searched it and thought damn she’s cute as a button talking red pill like that. The goofy faces, you’d want to ream every hole but not kill her buzz. She’s a darling putting out that stuff. She’d be like an AM radio at night. The next link I saw of her was her getting married. Figures. Someone like her being a libertarian would easily slide right into her slot in my clan. She’d be a great homeschooling asset.
Grammar is violence against self-determination of wymmyn
Along with orthography adn elocution.
Too bad you misspelled “and”.
Yep.
Thats what proves she isnt a journalist.
That’s also how we know she’s not a writer for Salon or Slate LOLZ … step away from the table Sir your play is too good
“17. American. Girl. Writes with perfect grammar, going as far as writing out “seventeen” instead of using “17.” Even college girls don’t write like that. Sounds like a journalist to me.”
Yet more evidence something aint right about that email. Was wondering if it was April 1when I read this article.
The left no longer has journalists who can write. Have you read Huff Post, Jezebel, Salon etc. lately? The writing is terrible and the ideas are even worse.
Who cares though. I mean, if I was wealthy and a bit younger, I’d certainly be intrigued enough to try and see what’s behind the curtain. You may well be right, and call me a flaming liberal if you want, but I refuse to believe there’s no hope for finding a girl worth coupling up with, long term. I have known at least one, in my long life…true, they’re probably going to have messy spots in their psyche, but that’s the point: we’re here to learn more about becoming great men in a world filled with weak ones; there’s no reason to think that there are zero women out there who have come to the same realization regarding their own gender. Men will always have our weaknesses, so will women. Our jobs are to learn how to balance those out and compliment one another.
Indeed, and I know there’s such a thing as an honest lawyer. I met that guy once.
I submit that your average student at an all-girls boarding school almost certainly uses better grammar than your average journalist.
She claims to attend an all girls school, meaning private and likely quite expensive. They still emphasize grammar at such places. My 17 year old daughter can write like that, she doesn’t text or e-mail casually like that, but knows proper form for a formal letter; and she’s always attended public school.
Yeah, my sister at 17 could easily have written that letter. High end schools make grammar a focus because it’s the easiest way to improve SAT scores.
Don`t be so cynical…if nothing else…hope it`s true.
That’s because it was entirely written by a male, named Roosh. She doesn’t exist.
I once had a college girl ask me to proof read her essay. It was so poorly written that I didn’t know where to start. I had written better essays when I was 10 (sorry ten).
I handed it back to her and told her I couldn’t help her.
And I can’t help this 17 year old either. This sounds like a fishing expedition.
she has better vocabulary than you though haha
I bet that 17yr old still got a passing grade, because she’s female and the college wouldn’t have wanted a law suit on their hands.
Try grading a few hundred philosophy papers
No… please no.
I was thinking the exact same thing the entire time. No way a 17 year old girl writes this well. No way.
What 17 year old girl knows who is Ann-Marie Slaughter? Maybe she might know Sheryl Sandberg because of Facebook and Leaning In. But Ann Marie Slaughter? She’s some random public policy wonk I never hear of until reading this article. Whoever, wrote this letter is definitely catfishing.
well done
“It’s a trap”
This. ^^^^
Roosh that email has to be a scam, I’m a bit surprised that you’re taking it serious enough to waste an article about it on your site(s).
Holy shit I LOLd
Having raised a 17 year old, they don’t come to men asking for such advice. Rather, they display arrogance, ignorance and disdain at seeking wisdom, especially from men, even from the father who loves her and raised her. The only input she seeks and listens to its the empty opinion of her bad boy boyfriend who’s banging her.
This girl doesn’t have a father, uncle, or other trusted adult male from whom she can ask for life wisdom? Does she not have a spiritual leader such as a priest or pastor to seek moral direction? If not, finding one is the first thing she needs to do. Asking for such wisdom on a website dedicated to helping young men get laid is the last place a girl should ask such questions.
Yup, sounds like a Trojan horse of a question.
the literal definition of rofl
I’m with everyone else who’s saying this is a trap, Roosh. The letter is written far too well and describes a female that simply doesn’t exist anymore in Western countries. If the girl that this letter portrays actually does exist, then she’d owe that existence along with her values to being raised in a traditional, patriarchal household with a strong, alpha father who lays down a strict set of rules. Thus, she’d be asking him for guidance on this issue, not you.
Haha, exactly my first thought
damn straight
If you are reading the comments I feel as if Red Pill Women might be of help to you:
https://www.reddit.com/r/redpillwomen
13, 23 and 14 because I have a thing for redheads.
Become a Mormon and go to BYU. They prioritize marriage and children.
Mormon girls/boys ratio is so skewed she is unlikely to find a good boy there.
If you are clear about what you are offering, there will be plenty of men who want that, without having to join any particular church. Church is a bad place to find an alpha provider. I’d also say, if he is a wealthy provider, make him put money in escrow. This clarifies his intentions; if the relationship goes south, the money goes to you. But to find such a man, you do have to be very clear in communicating what you are offering and what you expect. Sounds like you’ve already got that down pat. Good girl. My daughter is on the same path; she feels good knowing I’ll be there to screen her suitors.
Move to Springdale, Arkansas, join the Duggars’ church and find a man in it (not necessarily a Duggar) to marry.
My mother lives in Springdale, and it has a livable climate (the Ozarks moderate the South’s subtropical summer weather) and a cheap cost of living. Only diversity blight has started to happen there because of all the Mexicans and Marshall Islanders brought in to work in construction and in the chicken processing plants. White people in northwest Arkansas need to follow the Duggars’ example by fighting the war of the cradle to keep Arkansas white enough to stay civilized, as strange as that sounds given Arkansas’s reputation as the home of simple backwoods white folks.
I’ve seen the alternative, however. The Marshallese make hillbillies look like the Jetsons.
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Darn! Can you give us a hint what you said?
I seriously have doubts about the candor of this letter. It really smells fishy and an attempt to take you off guard, and later publish the answer in an unfavorable light, out of context, in a hit piece against ROK.
It’s possible, but Roosh is a smart man so I’m not worried.
Even so, prepare your anoos for the incoming butthurt.
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.
There is a difference between smart and all-knowing.
My email is not a ploy to undermine RoK. I sent it as an honest message in search of advice, but I understand your hesitation.
Yeah, this seems a little fishy. If this is true, then this girl is isn’t just a unicorn, she’s a pegasus with sparkles and pixie dust flying out her ass. Although, after all the shit Roosh has been through, I’d imagine the calibrations on his “Lying Liberal Slut Radar” (patent pending) are pinpoint.
I’m flattered by your metaphors, and am not a “Lying Liberal Slut.” My email and intentions are genuine.
Well, you should leave this site for the feminine equivalent of it.
You will not get much understanding or mentoring here. Nor should you.
I am certain that the internet is big enough for that.
Just keep in mind that women were happier in general and than men 30 years ago.
So you are doing something right.
If the letter smells fishy the girl must have had someone else mail it for her because she claims to have good hygiene
Woman are wired biologically for Alpha f and beta bucks. Any letter is a waste of time. I think its up to a man to sort the gals out; the other way around is a waste of time. Her ego can’t get past it. I would imagine its 85% lies.
correct. it’s more accurate to view them as an automation which responds to its environment. They will be whatever a man molds them to be, or whatever he can give her in terms of attraction. They cannot really do much on their own.
You can’t expect them to reform themselves.
I can see the headlines now:
“Mysogynist rapist ‘RooshV’ selling women!”
Worse than ISIS sex slaves!
http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2016/07/06/sex-slaves-islamic-state-selling-online/
Don’t take this the wrong way, but I think someone is trying to pull another Dr. Oz
She does bring up an important option that too many young women discount. There are many careers (particularly teaching) that can be entered after one’s twenties and which are compatible with kids’ school schedules.
This is the ideal arrangement for women who want to raise families. Devote one’s twenties to family, and then start a more flexible career path once all the kids are in school.
Pity most teachers are left wing lazy parasites.
That’s because they start that way. Majoring in ‘Eduction’ simply brings out the bad and makes it worse. People with these majors are generally in the bottom quartile of their class.
Who is the blue pill bitch that reported my comment as spam?
It would be interesting to see if this girl has a Disqus account, maybe she could leave a comment.
Good screening.
Another test is for her to walk into a room with several ROK members. If one of them throws his bros under the bus to impress her, she can scratch that pussy-begging pushover off her list of men worth their salt.
If you respond at all, I would only give very vague and general opinion that she is on the right track: She could simply avoid the carousel and take with a grain of salt advice from people claiming to work for her benefit (teachers, feminists and politicians). What about her father? Why can’t she get advice from him?
Perhaps her father is part of the problem. The generation that has produced the current crop of teens are themselves problems.
My advice for her would to boycott contraception. If she does that then she’ll be forced to take responsibility for her actions. In her responsibility, hopefully she’ll have the good instincts to seek out a man with good genes and marry him.
That’s called nature. I’d advise her to be natural.
Shouldn’t the girl’s father be involved in this courtship process? She hasn’t said anything about him. A girl’s coming from an intact family with the original mother and father is one of Victor Pride’s 12 criteria to look for in picking the right wife.
Her father should be involved in finding his daughter a husband. He will make an unemotional decision based on her well being.
Gay ass thought experiment from manosphere site in decline?
“I am considering getting married young (22 would be ideal)”
Somebody needs to tell her that’s an old age to marry at. Throughout human history and across most of the modern world, girls marry in their teens (or even at 12).
The only reason the West has begun marrying later is because they have contraception, so Western women can ruin themselves as sluts without having the natural consequences of babies. But I thought this girl didn’t want to be a slut?
She should marry now.
I’m on the same page on that!! Most retarded non-red pill men will label you a pedo though, despite pedo clearly meaning PRE-pubescent. Really bothers me when ignorants go crazy about that (like keestar with the 15y/o.) If she’s clearly past pubescence then fuck off, honestly.
Where the hell do we go to marry 17 year olds??? Guess I’m becoming a muslim now…
That’s legal in many states. In some states, with parental permission, a girl can marry at an even younger age than 17.
Legal age of consent where I’m from is 16. It’s not hard to find 16 year old girls to marry in SE Asia. Make sure the country you’re in is also at the same age of consent or lower, though, or you’ll have to export your bride before you can have sex with her in order to comply with the law.
Westerners, generally, will frown on this. I have no idea why. I suspect for many their disapproval is actually out of secret jealousy. I’ve got a middle finger for them.
I won’t even consider marrying a woman over the age of 20. By then, she’s simply taken too many men to be appealing for wife material and I can do better elsewhere.
Her parents would neeeever let her get married now.
Then her parents are forcing her to become a slut or an unmarried mother.
Is the only problem you have with marrying a woman who’s 20 that she may be slutty?
Well it varies from girl to girl. A traditional girl at age 20 – 25 might be very fine, but you got to wonder if she’s so great then why hasn’t she married already? It’s not like there’s a shortage of honest guys looking for a wife or anything.
It’s safer to hit on girls who are right on the age of consent, because if she has less experience in short-term relationships then she’ll slip into a long-term relationship like Cinderella with her slipper.
To others it will sound as if you take advantage of her though
Yeah. When guys score a hot, young bride, other guys get jealous. When a teenage girl scores a perfect man before she’s even finished school, older, less romantically successful girls get jealous. When people get jealous at me and my bride, there shall be LOLs to be heard!
Seriously, who gives a damn about what people think?!
Actually the custom of late marriage began after the famines and plagues of 1315-1351. To prevent a repeat of the overpopulation that lead to this catastrophe, couples were forbidden to marry until they came into possession of a piece of land big enough to support a family. This kept the population safely below its Malthusian maximum, so individuals were healthier, wealthier, and able to experiment with new methods of growing crops and raising livestock.
At least within the Hajnal Line. Outside of it, peasants continued to breed like rabbits and live in desperate poverty well into the 20th century.
I’m talking about the majority of the world, not an isolated minority.
Well, I’m talking about an “isolated minority” that, as a result of careful family planning and eugenic marriage, built a society advanced enough to break out of its ancestral homelands, explore and conquer most of the planet, and grow (circa 1880-1900) to a third of the world’s population.
Then we decided that if everyone else wanted to breed like rabbits, we wouldn’t let their poor children starve. So now we’re 15 percent of humanity and falling.
The problem is you’re lying about the facts in order to promote your own hateful view of the world. It doesn’t take much Google work to learn that age 12 is a European marriage standard and, historically speaking, quite typical.
https://discover-the-truth.com/2013/09/09/age-of-consent-in-european-american-history/
It’s also a good thing for girls to marry young. Marrying at age 18+ typically means the girl fucks at least half a dozen men before marriage. Even a relatively chaste girl is likely to have at least 2 sexual partners prior to age 20 if she doesn’t marry.
This is what you’re promoting. You’re promoting lurid behavior. I frankly find this sort of thing to be distasteful. Foul, even.
I support marriage as young as legally possible because I’m a moral man with virtuous standards.
If a war or plague just cut the population in half and there was vacant land all over the place, you could marry a 12-year-old girl, no problem. Marriage was delayed only as long as needed to get hold of a good piece of land. Of course that system could never work today because (a) people today have no self-restraint, and (b) we have no idea what people will do for a living twenty years from now, so we don’t know how many children we can afford to have today.
Man, I really don’t care about a plauge several hundred years ago. Absolutely nothing I’m talking about has anything to do with that.
Dude, you really need to face the fact that you are a pedo, or a perv at minimum. No amount of mental gymnastics or referring to what the “majority of the world” does will change that fact.
The majority of the world is third world and uncivilized. Not something normal people in the west would want to emulate.
Except for pedos and pervs… to justify their sickness.
Pedophilia is an interest in pre-pubescent girls. An interest in sexually mature girls is natural. A man’s lack of interest in sexually mature girls is abnormal and unnatural.
In any case, I obey the age of consent, which is 16.
If you have a problem with this then that’s hardly surprising – the vast majority of people are dumb or mentally unstable.
Do you have a source for that?
I found it a really interesting analysis. Would like to read more.
IF, IF this is legit (the girl, that is), then she’s truly rare. If she did marry a successful man, then her need to start a career would be moot.
Also, if she can make it through college without getting FUBAR, that would be impressive.
It is rare but not out of the norm for female nature. When men act like men and the sound is loud enough what Red pill men have to say is heard. She is looking for status among red pill men. What is rare is the message of red pill men being heard by any young woman.
this isn’t real, the list format is too logical. and the offer to send a picture is a subconscious recognition of how fake it is, trying to quell suspicion.
I do think a woman wrote it though, judging by how long the letter is.
It’s someone getting a rise out of roosh.
My picture offer was honest, and I thought the list format was the most convenient way to illustrate who I am (in terms of dating, at least).
100 bucks she’s not a virgin in two years. That’s all I’ve got. I’m all out of advice.
You never know. Who was that American track star who was still a virgin into her late twenties? Super hot white girl. Heptathlete or decathalete or something like that.
Girl, if you’re a virgin at twenty, you’re prime wife material. If you’re *still* a virgin at thirty, you’re cat-lady material.
Lolo Jones?
Yes that’s her. Hurdler. Really nice looking with, as you’d expect, a superb body. She was a virgin into her late twenties. Maybe past that.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7e11d854b92d19592112155a768c95b1dc07b9139bfe5261d37ab95d91248b52.jpg
Eh, “virgin” up which hole though? In Muslim countries girls allow themselves to get anally speared to keep their hymen intact until marriage. Don’t think for a second that a Western girl couldn’t also be savvy to this guerilla tactic and claim virginity!
,, anally speared ” – you should copyright that shit !
There’s honestly something wrong with this idea.
1. I’ve slept with highly promiscuous girls who refused anal sex because it hurts. So what kind of virgin would give it a try?
2. If a dominant man has convinced a virgin to bend over for anal… well, frankly, he’ll likely shove it up her cunt no matter what she wants just because the sensation of feeling a hymen grip your cock is so intensely rare. He wouldn’t waste the oppurtunity.
I just don’t see virgin’s doing anal. Unless you’re absolutely certain whether it happens and how often then don’t spread the rumor. It uselessly tarnishes something that ought to be valued by red pill men.
By Crom, I shall!
I’m speculating as is, nor do I even ultimately care.
Yo’ dude, you know about Sybreed ?
A lot of people have speculated on this. If it is, ultimately, a bullshit rumor then that needs to be pointed out.
Sure, as you like.
No, do tell.
Check this out :
It’s all around
A solid wall of lies
Designed on massive scales
Still, we endure and tolerate
Because we know we cannot stop the fall
Because we know it’s getting worst day after day
Look at the world
We’ve got nothing to preserve
In this hollow life
We are broken deep within
We are destined
To be expendable products
To emulate cheap happiness
Like zealots, we imitate
We do our part
Secluded in vain deceptions
But soon glory fades
And there is nothing left but suffering
Look at the world
We’ve got nothing to preserve
In this hollow life
We are broken deep within
Look at the world
We’ve got nothing to preserve
In this hollow life
We are broken deep within
Our god is dead
Since we have been proclaimed divine
We have become but empty shells
No faith could feed or sustain us
We drift from place to place
Sunken in miserable dreams
We feel no love, we feel no hate
Then face the heart of destruction
Look at the world
We’ve got nothing to preserve
In this hollow life
We are broken deep within
Look at the world
We’ve got nothing to preserve
In this hollow life
We are broken deep within
Right on. Are you in this band?
Nope. Discovered them last year and eventually found out they broke up. After listening to all of their music, you get this feeling, and I think they’ve been told to break it up.
Cool. The latest albums from Revenge and Rebaelliun are among my recents favorites.
I just took a look. Counter- Christianity isn’t really worth my appraisal.
Sybreed on the other hands sings about virtue, these other guys just yap about the devil and shit…
It is actually a thing. Google ‘anal to save virginity’ and you find both reddit forums and a peer reviewed article which show that the phenomenon is real.
That’s the essence of metal, my friend. Always has been from the jump. Was never meant to be fun, happy, or “safe” in any way.
Gods, help us. If you swear it is then I’ll keep that in mind. However, I doubt it’s common – I’m sure it’s extremely rare, in fact, for the reasons I already stated.
Also, it’s not hard to tell whether a girl is an immaculate virgin or an anal slut. Virgins are very shy and inexperienced – it’s as easy to spot as a hymen if you know what you’re looking for.
I can see why she won foot races, someone feed it some sugar cubes or an apple because it was spliced together with equine genetic material
I’ve had girls only allow Mr. Johnson in the backdoor and the front was so tight I could barely get a pinky in.
Plenty of young virgins have mouths like sailors, but when you get them alone it’s all a front
I think that’s the ,,essence of metal” you’ve been acquainted for a bit too long. Take a look at these guys’s lyrics and you’ll get what I’m talking about.
The world is at war, it takes real eyes to see it.
My country’s been in this unseen war since forever.
Communism when it came to my country, the first thing the soviet russians did, was to destroy the churches. In Bessarabia we had 1500 churches, after the soviets came, in 10 years we had only 120.
The tortures, the murders, the rapes, the mass killings, the deportations to Siberia, the replacement of native people with jewish settlers.
The whole idea around which Satan himself draw it’s methods of working ( and the directives all come from Moscow to this day ) :
,,God and church teachings need to be extracted from man. We need to use all the methods available to us to create a new type of man. The one who will not care about his fellow-man, the one who will kill his parents, destroy his heritage and forget his history.”
Having been constantly exposed to the works of the horn-boy from below I can safely say that I choose God.
Being a christian, especially in the times we live now, means to be the true rebel.
Peace on to you my metallic friend !
More often than not, I find that to see who a girl REALLY is, just look at who she says she’s NOT and you’ll have your answer. “Oh I’m a good girl!” (slutted around in high school and college), “I’m not the kind of girl who kisses on the first date.” (allows you to finger her in her backseat twenty minutes later), “I don’t date assholes. Period.” (Goes out with you enthusiastically after you send her initial message asking if she’s normal and teasing the heck out of her her.)
This has all happened to me.
My favorites are “I don’t usually do this” or “I’ve never let a guy do that to me before”
Ha ha yes and as you’re having your way with her you think “uh huh sure…..”
If she got the Hep(B or C) from sport f-ing she was no virgin
Agreed with Roosh wholeheartedly. Speaking from my experience, the Mormon community has what she is asking for. As she does this, a few things to consider:
1. Study this list of things to NOT be.
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=site:returnofkings.com+avoid+women
Avoid smoking, foul language, coffee, alcohol, etc. It is a long list, but important. If you want a 32 year old rich man, you got to be the kind of woman that this man would want. He wants a meek, submissive, beautiful mother for his children who has risen above all the nonsense of today’s popular culture, and yet is interesting and pretty.
2. It would be better if your list were things you could do for your future man. Why is all about your personal goals that only involve yourself, about what he brings to you? I think you will eventually find it is all about what you bring to him.
3. Drop the timeline. Instead focus on prioritizing your goals. Is motherhood most important? It should be. So then, that comes first. If you don’t achieve this right away, have a Plan B, because otherwise you will beat yourself up for not achieving your goals in the order you wanted.
Remember how depressed you got in elementary school that time you got a bad grade, and today you don’t even care? Many things that are important to you now are not really important in the grand scheme of things. Focus on your foundation. You have to start with a foundation for who you are, and then move on to the visible structure. An attractive image and personality is built this way. Make yourslef a pleasant person.
4. For some reason, when girls don’t find their idealic man right away and get depressed and lose hope, they just cut themselves off from men. We men just assume that the girls aren’t interested in them. This is the vicoius ice cream eating cycle that turns girls ugly and miserable. You are at the point where men magically appear and lead you away on in their gilded carriage, but that won’t keep up for long. Expect to put in work.
She should convert and seek a returned-missionary. There are plenty of weak men among Mormons, to be honest, but overall they are solid. Statistically, the income rate is higher, the attractiveness is higher, and the divorce is much lower. Don’t believe what third-rate comedians portray in their homo musicals.
5. I don’t understand how you expect to have kids and then dive into a career at the age they are in elementary school. Unless you are in financial dire straits, you should be at home, period. The world is a horrible nasty place for children to grow up in. They need you around as much as possible to lead them the right way. You should pick a career that won’t interfere with being a mother.
Kids are not some commodity that you fit into your busy life schedule, and stick in school and forget about.
Enjoy being a woman, and being a help to a man. Girls today are taught to revile the things that make them woman, chiefly motherhood. You should also appreciate what makes a man and understand how to help a man.
Excellent advice.
I find this somewhat suspicious, considering there have been several too-good-to-be-true cases of “Red pill women” yanking beta orbiters by a chain (Sunshine Mary et al…) And if this does happen to be legit, I apologize to the young woman.
Assuming this is real, I would advise her to just seek out any guy with a good job, good aesthetics, and any other qualities you’d deem worthy of a husband. A guy with a good head on his shoulders is likely seeking a long term relationship. Assuming you’d like to get married soon, this man would be in his late 20s. And I don’t think I need to explain to you how sex works.
Of course, finding this man is the hard thing. I’d try church groups as others have said, I’d also ask your father if he knows any young up-and-coming types at his place of employment.
Don’t forget to make sure said man has has a father growing up (I just read thag article). Either way, meeting the parents is always VERY illuminating/indicative of the individual.
Also, check out this chicks mom. If she’s still milfy then those are some good genes!!! (And double check for a father of course)
Milfy mother/daughter threesomes ftw
Arranged marriages are the wave of the future.
Your advice is sound but I would tell her you can’t help her until she’s 18. Just to be sure it’s not some sort of trap or scam.
She specifically says she’s looking for an older man to marry rather than to fornicate with. The law should be okay with that.
The numbers are in. Arranged marriages have a much lower failure rate. Part of it is the love is subsequent to, not a prior requirement, in the marriage. Good people who are committed to their marriage can learn to love each other. Romantic Love, in that sense, is an error. I blame Jane Austen.
Arranged marriages were the marriages of the past (and they occurred a lot younger than age 18).
The people criticizing gay marriage because it’s “redefining marriage” completely miss the point–what we have today is a gross redefining of marriage. We need to return to the historical definition of marriage.
Older wealthy man?
sugardaddy.com
Keeping woman is one of the oldest customs in Western civilization. Up through the 5th century the Roman Catholic church legitimized this by allowing for Concubinage. Following Hebrew Biblical law, the concubine’s children were recognized as legitimate, and they had certain rights to inheritance. Unlike marriage, the relationship could be dissolved and both partners free to enter a marriage.
And the problem with this model today is?
That’s not even up for discussion as that model does not exist today. Surely I don’t need to remind you of the misandrist laws and culture we have today.
Perhaps the wealthy can buy themselves a solid wife. Good for them. The gap between wealthy and peasant is widening all the more. You are speaking of the top 5%.
Isn’t a Sugar Daddy one is is a member of the top ten percent? Alot safer than marrying.
I brought it up for a reason. Just tryin to help the young girl meet her goals.
What the bloody Anita Sarkeesian?!? Nothing but 40 year old bastard heifers wanting to claim to be babies?!? Do these bitches even have uteruses? Kill that site with fire. And does the whores on there with flaming semen. See how they swim under fire.
This feels part a setup, part a gold digger looking for a free ride, part you should start a dating service for any legit gems who think this way. She needs to get over that feminist career bullshit. This is why women are miserable, stay home and raise the kids behaving like a woman and you’ll be full of joy your entire life.
I feel bad for her because for centuries this was what was normal but now would be considered a laughable arrangement.
The fact is what 30 something type man with money would want a virgin?
I don’t know any high powered man with money who would have the time and patience to train a virgin to be a proper lover.
Also, once this woman did become sexually awakened, what would stop her from taking the money and run?
This also could be pure BS.
Proper game would keep her in the marriage, and some might view inexperience as cute.
But it’s probably a G.I.R.L. (Guy IN Real Life).
I know plenty of 30 something year old men who come from wealthy families and would like a virgin.
You got to remember, most men have been brainwashed by tv into being that beta male who looks for the one.
For a wife? Yeah, I’d be incredibly interested in wifing up a young attractive virgin.
The man would not need to train her, her older more experienced sister wives would
B.S. meter is pegged out.
Agree with the others that it reads like a trap, but I’ll assume otherwise for the sake of responding.
Yes, it is definitely possible. My life plan, and that of many of my friends, is precisely the opposite side of that coin. Acquire an education, enter a professional field, make money, then marry someone 5-10 years younger. When you are 22, I will be nearly 30, my friends similar, and I’d bet there are many like us who will be looking to marry.
That being said, I see two primary difficulties with your plan.
1. You probably don’t have the grit to stick to it. Staying a virgin for 3-6 more years will be extremely difficult, and once you’ve slutted it up, that’s the end of it, your whole plan falls apart. To prevent that I would recommend trying to meet such a man right now, not later, as you don’t need your college degree before you get married anyway. It’s better to leave your education until you are older and ready to enter a career anyway as that way your knowledge will be up to date.
2. It’s hard to meet people. Roosh’s recommendation of finding a church is spot on, but there is the catch. The kinds of men you will find in church, who want to marry and have kids, will tend to be conservative Christians who can’t marry non-Christians (the Bible forbids it). Unless you can truly, honestly convert to Christianity, finding a good, conservative church would likely be a waste of time.
For other ways to meet an alpha provider, I’d recommend doing the sorts of things that he might think a girl like you would be doing. For example, my brother and I are looking to marry sometime within the next 5 years or so. We will be attending church, volunteering at church functions, joining hiking groups and tennis clubs, attending our local gym, etc. Partly because we like to, partly because we hope to meet girls. I’d recommend getting involved in those sorts of activities.
Again re. attending college, don’t do it if it would saddle you with a lot of debt. It is a huge turn off if a girl has a huge amount of debt. Nobody wants to pay for that. If you absolutely have to go to college, come to Canada. The education is just as good, sometimes better even, and for much less than in America.
A Canadian Jewniversity degree will still run her $10,000 to end up with only barista job prospects
Agreed, but better 10k CDN than 100k USD.
A career and being a housewife/mother does not mix. Can’t have both. She needs to forget about career if she wants to raise children. No need for college to raise children and have a family either. In fact I’d go so far as to say college would just brainwash you. If it’s wanting out of the house now and then and some extra spending money, a part time job does not require a degree or a huge amount of her time away from the family needs.
Wanting to go full time into a career after child goes to college makes me think, ok great but what about your husband? You going to push him off to the side at that point too? It almost seems like she is only thinking about herself and the kids, is hubby supposed to be just a sperm bank and wallet while she has kids and goes to college?
Personal trainer, nutritionist, mayne a secretary/personal assistant for her husband if he deems it appropriate.
Thats the only kind of career i would want my woman to have. She gets a flexible schedule and works when her husband thinks it is best.
Personal trainer? Ya, your wifey in a sports bra and yoga pants getting all hot and sweaty with other dudes is a great idea, what’s the worst that could happen?
Going to college will ruin her: dorms, parties, frats…
She should live at home and commute to campus or go to a community college and stay at home.
Orthodox Christians is a good religious community for her, based on her goals, especially for the older man/younger girl marriage dynamic.
I am Orthodox Christian myself , and married to a man who is 15 years older than I. No one in the Orthodox Christian community batted an eyelash at our age gap, or that I left college before graduation to marry and start a family. (I am tentatively planning to finish by attending part-time after our youngest kid starts school full-time, but who knows…) But my college classmates definitely had issues with both of those, the age gap in my marriage and leaving school before finishing.
But depending on which ethnicity of Orthodoxy is prevalent around her, she may encounter a good amount of xenophobia.
Whatever way she chooses, I wish her good luck in the future.
Perhaps Roosh could put you in contact with her…you could be her mentor.
To what extent single sex college a desirable option for women? It seems to do very well up through secondary school, as alot of the toxic social interaction is absent when the other sex is not present.
Straight women? Not at all. Women’s colleges are pretty notorious for being packed with lesbians, never mind the third-wave feminist influence. Lot of them admit men, anyway, just to stay open.
Thanks for the advice, and for the good luck.
You’re welcome. I’ll add that my father was VERY “involved” (aka “controlling” by some people’s standards) in my social life and I had a lot of restrictions. I was born and raised in the US but both my mom and dad were very “old country” and kept to a lot of old customs.
I wasn’t allowed to go on dates, but boys could come over to our house. My dad was happy to sit next to any boy on the couch while we talked. (Goes without saying that no one was allowed even upstairs at our house, let alone in my bedroom)
I went to a high school dance with a boy…. and guess who volunteered to chaperone at the dance? My dad. He was a very vigilant chaperone, for sure. Everyone still remembered him at the 10-year reunion.
I can laugh about it all now, and I was teased a lot by my classmates all through school and even in college, but here’s the thing:
I never disobeyed my dad or broke his rules because I respected him AND I trusted him. I knew, deep down, he really did only want the best for me, and that he knew what he was doing.
I married when I was 20 and my husband was 35. My dad was very happy on my wedding day, and he also gave me the best advice (out of anyone) for my wedding night. (“Tell him if you’re nervous. Ask him to show you what he likes, and he’ll take it from there.”)
I have a great life! I’m very happily married to man I respect, trust, love, admire, and love being intimate with. He takes good care of our family. We are not rich, but we are comfortable, and I love being a stay-at-home-mom. I wouldn’t trade my life for anything.
I am really grateful to my dad for being as strict as he was. I have a wonderful husband and life because my dad cared enough to be very strict.
What you want out of life is out there, Vivian. Be discerning and look to others for guidance.
(ps – I say that Orthodoxy is a good religious community, not only because the doctrine is sound and unchanged, but also because it is one of the few religious communities where a woman’s virginity/sexual purity is still valued and seen as desirable)
So you should join ortho to get a good husband? I guess the soul’s salvation and respect/reverence of the divine is merely an afterthought. Pray tell, is there a good networking among orthos, so men can be well-connected and get a good job? Unless the lord wants us to have a life of luxury, it’s not appealing.
Pretty college girls still get invited to keggers/frat parties even if they don’t live in sorority houses/dorms on campus
Of course, but I wasn’t allowed to go to any of them.
My point is really more to eschew situations that aren’t conducive to maintaining your goals. Being a commuter student puts you in a different social circle than those who hang out in their dorm during the day, cutting classes, and drinking.
Girls who live in a dorm or a sorority house are unsupervised / unchaperoned. The RA’s now are not liked the Dorm Mothers in the 50s, when there were curfews and single sex dorms, and male students weren’t allowed past the lounge on the first floor, etc. They’re also in a position to be influenced by other girls there (even if they’re just being asked to go to a frat party to “keep an eye on a friend’)
Hi! I’m another Chitown mom of three:) nice to meet you here!
I say be the biggest slut you can. A shower and no on knows the difference.
This letter is a fake. But it does give me an opener for something I’ve been wanting to post. I have two daughters, 20 and 23. They were raised in an intact family (though we are divorcing now after 30 years), I’m self employed so was able to be totally involved in their lives from day one. I took my role seriously as head of the household, and held my kids to high standards of friends, work ethic, grooming, social behavior.
My daughters were curious and involved with various projects as I renovated our house, electrical, plumbing, carpentry, and they like to cook, make clothes. I taught them to ride a two wheeler, taught them to drive a manual car, and motorbikes. None of it forced, it’s just what was happening and they wanted to be part of it.
In the back of my mind from day one was to parent them so they could make their way in the world. Ideally they would each make their way with a deserving man who took their masculine birthright seriously and could hold upright frame on my intelligent, beautiful daughters.
Where are those men? And how are my daughters to meet them? As I see it, my responsibility as their father is to enable my daughters to be self-sufficient enough to be better than most of the men they meet so they don’t have to settle for a loser who will drag the entire family through some level of hell.
It would be so much easier not to give a fuck, but I just cannot live that way. The amount of chemicals I would need to anesthetize myself against that would surely kill me. What’s a red pill father to do?
My girls are preteen and my parenting approach sounds very similar to yours. I hope the sexual marketplace and relationship between the sexes isn’t as fucked up as I’m led to believe reading sites like this. Based on the anecdotal evidence I get from the young men I work with I think that’s wishful thinking. I haven’t been in that world since the late nineties. There was certainly some dysfunction back then but nothing like now.
It’s a quandary isn’t it? Raising them with enough independence to give them the self sufficiency they may very well need in a hostile culture but keeping them
from being corrupted by the insanities of feminism while instilling in them a strong sense of the feminine mystique, respect for masculinity and reverence for tradition.
Just repeat over and over again.
“Sex before marriage will ruin your life.”
“Career before children will ruin your children and your relationship with them.”
“If you don’t have children, no one will hang out with you when you are 80 or 90 years old.”
“A good man is one whom will take care of you, and you should take care of him by nurturing him and your relationship with him.”
“Sex before marriage could ruin your life.”
“Girls are happiest by bonding strongly to the best man they can find and having that bond returned.”
“All your friends are unhappy sluts, do you really want to be like them? Sex before marriage will ruin your life.”
I’d volunteer myself, but I found my future bride from one of the lesser known Ukrainian cities (and I’m letting her in the US, God willing, over my dead body).
Good luck to you…and all of us….
If you ever get hitched, at least make a lot of kids.
Self suficient “women” attract gigolos and tom cats
So what’s your plan for your daughters?
“So what’s your plan for your daughters?”
Homeschooling to chaperoned courtship (15/16) to marriage (seventeen or eighteen).
“I have two daughters, 20 and 23.”
Old maids. I’d be getting worried that I’d encouraged them to price themselves out of the market (“better than most of the men they meet.”)
http://i.imgur.com/xdUtoTV.jpg
,,Feminists spotted !”
That look on his face is perfect. “What are these bitches babbling about?”
watch out roosh!
Lol …
I am intelligent (although a woman’s intelligence is considered negligible on RoK, I still consider it an asset);
“Negligible”? That’s not how I would put it. Intelligence is an asset, it’s just not the all important trait mainstream society makes it out to be. Smart is less important to me than nice. Smart is less important than trustworthy. But smart and nice and trustworthy would be ideal.
a woman’s intelligence is considered negligible
I don’t even understand the phrasing enough to form an opinion.
The problem might be in what we consider intelligence to be. It’s sort of subjective. Some might say an intelligent woman is one who focuses on her husband, family, and children, realizing what the best use of her biological traits are, etc. Some others might say an intelligent woman is one who excels in any particular pursuit such as music. And, while not typical of RoK, but still a subjective interpretation, an intelligent woman might be one who makes it in a male dominated career field, say perhaps aviation or engineering.
Or the problem might be that negligible (read: too small to matter) isn’t the intended word. Neglectable (read: able to be ignored) makes a bit more sense in context. Certainly, a fair number of men here don’t value the input of a woman when it comes to politics or the proper operating technique of a Variable Intensity Meglinator. But, it’s reasonable to believe there may be exceptions that prove the rule.
Essentially, “I am intelligent” is just too vague an assertion to interpret meaningfully.
“I am intelligent” not a vague assertion, but you’re right in the sense that the phrase doesn’t prove the intelligence of its writer.
Being intelligent is actually the opposite of being jewniversity edumacated today. Especially in “gender studies” or sexology
That letter is from Ayn Rand’s grand-niece.
Her whole project looks like prostitution with a fucking dirty sugar daddy. She is young to paint herself in the corner like that. And by forty years old, the best years to learn and build something great are gone. After that, you can rely only on your experience and knowledge to outlast younger competition. Better for her to start a business now, being fucked hard by buddies, and adopt a kid for the road. Her fucking old dirty husband will treat her like shit anyway.
women finding a provider is common sense. It’s the context in which they do it that matters. Do they intend to fulfill their wifely role in exchange for said provisions? or are they looking to eject when the time is right.
My instincts tell me this chick isn’t who she says she is. Any 17 year old with traditional views, a good physique, great teeth, domestic skills taught by mom and a desire to marry young and have children is quite literally the holy grail. She conveniently checks off every red pill aware male’s check list. Any female born and raised in this country ends up a slut sooner than later (assuming her parents didn’t keep her in the basement and away from any modicum of media). Plus, she’s a female and we all know girls leave out details that make them look bad (read: slutty).
All that said, if this girl is the genuine article, my advice to her would be: A) Don’t move out of her parent’s house until she’s married B) Until that happens, get a job at a day care center or a preschool to hone her mothering skills and satisfy her need to nurture while making a half decent living C) Continue reading sites like ROK on a daily basis so as to stay motivated while reading cautionary tales of females who’ve run amok and the miserable lives they lead and D) Don’t do ANYTHING outside of kissing with a male….no blow jobs, no fingering, no nothing. Hang on to that virginity until your wedding night. It is her single most valuable commodity as a woman and it’s not close.
It won’t take long for a high value male to notice her and snatch her off the market…..
…..assuming, of course, this chick exists…..
Such harsh words for a modern woman to hear. And yet, so fucking true.
This.
to be fair, no chick is who she says she is.
BULLSEYE!
Well, Mr. Apathy strikes a cold blow to the truth.
And no man is who he says he is
Incorrect.
Men tend to exaggerate their accomplishments. I need examples of how a women isn’t who she says she is
Some men do exaggerate and some outright lie. However, earnestness is a part of the very definition of masculinity and as such I would say that those are not true men.
For a woman, everything is false. A woman is basically a salesperson and she is also her own product. Every conversation I have ever had with a woman has been like a job interview.
Men in my experience will try to lie to get pussy. They often like to advertise themselves (happens with men of all ages)so they have a better chance with me…. As a female, I do not have to “lie” in order to sell my “product” as you say. I have the liberty of doing whatever I want and being completely honest about those things( guys let me get away with anything I want to). And hell, any conversation with anyone kills off my brain cells, but you are correct that I have had more intelligent conversations with men rather than women.
I still need examples of what women supposedly lie about.
Some lie to get pussy, but I would say that that is a) not the most effective way to achieve that goal and b) not a masculine trait. As a female you absolutely have to lie.
Do you wear makeup? Heels? Do you act sweet when you don’t feel like it? Do you sometimes roll with things to make a man happy? Pretend you aren’t as smart as you are? Pretend you are smarter? Try to look younger? Try to be extra dirty in bed for your man? Try to not be too dirty in bed so you don’t scare a guy off?
An example of women lying? Yesterday I had a date with a woman. Very pretty girl. Very nice makeup. Dressed immaculately and super heels. She had a coquettish smile. She told my absolute favorite lie. I made a joke about sex on a first date and she said “well YOU won’t be having sex on a first date”
I knew when she said this it was a lie. She knew it too. My response was priceless. Her name is jane. I responded “don’t be ridiculous jane, I know you like dick. There is a whole book about it”
Back at her place he apartment was very messy. This means that the way she was presenting herself to the world (as a totally put together and organized person) was a lie. I don’t mind this. In fact, I demand it.
On the other hand, I showed up dressed in the exact same thing I would have worn if I went out by myself. Was my normal self. Made jokes and was very straight forward. After 15 minutes I was telling her how I felt I was lucky that I grew up at the time when I saw bush disappear. That young guys today have no idea how lucky they have it now that all women with taste and class wax. She then made a point of telling me how she has been getting waxed since she was 16. This was 15 minutes into a first date with a girl I met 2 days prior at a restaurant while she was out with friends.
Her whole persona was a lie whereas mine was just me. She is 28 and she is lying to herself about her value because she honestly thinks she can continue for a few more years just having flings and then settle down, get married and have kids. Not going to happen.
I don’t want to sound arrogant, but in the list of things you said:
1.) I do wear makeup and heels for special occasions (weddings) but on a date I don’t wear makeup (and heels), I’m lazy in the makeup department, and I don’t have blemishes to hide anyways
2.)I do act nice when I don’t feel like it, but i don’t think it’s fair for me to take my own feelings out on someone else (I don’t show anger or sadness at people because that gives them power over my emotions)
3.)I actually hate “stupid girls”
4.)I feel with messy apartments are a sign of an American trait. My mother always taught me to have a clean house if someone came over, and I notice that people who were raised under American homes don’t keep their houses clean.
Never have had a boyfriend so can’t answer about “acting” in bed.
If Jane is attractive as you say she is, then men won’t really care. I know someone in their thirties who recently got married to a doctor, and I wouldn’t say she is beautiful, so maybe you won’t marry her, but someone else will.
Both genders will always try to make themselves look the best for the other gender. It’s not only a female issue. Men also crave attention and like hearing women tell them how “amazing” they are.
I’m not really “ashamed” about anything I have done. I am cautious, because it’s very hard for myself to feel comfortable around people that I don’t trust yet. And the best way I can conclude this is that I have a large pool of options that I can choose from. If a guy didn’t like me, that’s ok, because I can easily start talking to another one. I have never met a guy worth loving/liking…Even admiring for their intelligence or talent.
Thank you for your thoughtful response. I first want to say that I am not adding a negative connotation to “lie” here either. Just that in my experience women are almost like theater in their every day lives.
Also, never apologize for sounding arrogant. Arrogance isn’t something to be ashamed of. I will tell you that if I was waiting for you to show up for a date and you came in dressed too casually I would stand up and leave.
I think your #2 is very good and exactly what you should do. It is important for women to realize this.
Everyone hates stupid girls.
I don’t know if messy apartments are an American thing. I am an American and a male and single and you could perform surgery in my apartment it is so clean. I think it is a lazy thing. If you want to say that Americans are generally lazy, I would fight you on it. I agree in general. But I do not think there is anything specific about being American that leads to messy apartments. Further, I have been in quite a few places and have found, on average, most of them are pretty tidy. I think that has to do with the women I pick being clean in other areas of their lives though.
As for Jane, some men will and some won’t. The problem is, and a lot of this site is devoted to explaining it, if she gets married to a guy who doesn’t care that she is over 30 and has had her box beaten to death by 100 or more people then he will be either a) a guy who can’t do any better b) a guy who is weak. It doesn’t matter if he is rich and famous (Brad Pitt with that demon harpy he married) and if he is a wealthy doctor like your friends guy or anything. She will be bored with his weakness which was necessary for him to pick her in the first place. She will be fucking other men.
I think that women have this idea that they can just show up with a sign that says “i have a pussy” and men will do anything for them. And some men will. The catch 22 is that the guys that will make her crazy will just laugh and keep walking.
I understand about your difficulty feeling comfortable around people. I do not trust anyone and often say that the only time I feel truly happy is when I am alone. That said, there are times when I want the company of a woman and she better have more to bring to the table than just pussy if she wants more than just a booty call.
Ah, to clarify the last point, I first mentioned I did not want to sound arrogant because in a hookup sense, I could really get any guy I wanted to. I’m used to getting what I want when it comes you guys. Even if a guy doesn’t give me what I want, I can just get it from a guy that will.
Surprise, girls care about the number of sexual partners. I recently met a guy who was attractive smart, etc. But when I found out that he stopped counting after 80 girls, I felt very grossed out. Now all I can think is that if I were to have sex with him, I would just be one of the many girls he had sex with, and it would make me feel very dirty.
Thirdly, allow to clarify “American”. I am also American. But I was mostly referring to hospitality. My mom is Latina, and in our culture we stress hospitality. So that means keeping a tidy home for guests, and cooking for them. I have not really experienced that with white Americans. I know in Arabic culture, this exists as well.
My main problem with this whole site is that the men here sound whiny and bitter. I have my own things to complain about in men, but ultimately, it is not my job to change them. If you don’t like females lifestyles, then focus on yourself. That’s what I do. I just focus on making myself better. As much as I’d love to, I sadly can’t make men 6 feet tall, or attractive. I highly doubt that most men on this page fit my standards regardless.
Another thing that I find irritating is that the men here want young naive girls. Ithe is not about being fertile. It’s about being naive and more easy to manipulate. I like older men, but I trust them the least because I know that some men will try to take advantage of my young age. Ultimately I feel like a woman’s age to them is just a threat because that mean she is more wise=less easily manipulated.
Men here somehow think it’s cool that they fuck alot of girls, yet complain that women are promiscuous. Stated above, it becomes dirty. If the men here really cared about a woman’s sexual life, they would abstain.
Men tend to claim to have done things they haven’t and women tend to claim not to have done things they have.
A lie is a lie.
I think it is wrong of you to lump “guys on this site” together as there are many different types here. I also get annoyed, like you, at the guys who are whining and bitter. That shit annoys me to no end. I can understand why it would bother you, but to say it is true of everyone here is simply incorrect.
Further, you mention that guys want young naïve girls. Again, that isn’t me. I am not looking for some doe in the woods. I like a girl who is a little tough and can fight a bit. That said, I am also not looking for a wife. I like girls in high pressure business fields that have no time for bullshit, are a little bit world wise, cynical and a little snarky. A lot of guys here don’t like that. Again, it is a large sampling here and putting everyone in the same category is a mistake.
I too have noticed there is a disconnect between men fucking a lot of girls and complaining about promiscuity. While I think it is different for men and women to have a lot of partners because men and women are simply different that way, I think that the modern world and its female promiscuity is great. Sex is fun. I enjoy it. I would hate to live in some puritanical culture at a time when I would have to make some kind of honorable intentions known just to tickle a little puss. However, I notice there is a disconnect with women too. You say that you don’t like being one of the partners of a man who has had many. Women will always complain that a man doesn’t fuck them right and then will put a man down who has the experience to know what he is doing because they will say he has had too many partners. Sex is like basketball, cooking or riding a bike….you get better with practice.
Obviously there are some things you must like on this site. Here you are, right?
I don’t really like a site that dedicates it’s time to bashing women. Since I am a women I am automatically lumped into this stereotype they have of women, it makes me hesitant to post here anyways. From what I’ve read, they don’t really hold women’s points of views as important, because women’s place is the home and not having a career. I don’t see myself that way and decided to have a discussion to better understand their viewpoints.
I am a very laid back personal, and I simply don’t understand why everyone here seems so angry. I see many pretty women where I live, but sadly I don’t see any handsome men. Just like how you said it was not fair to lump everyone here in the same category, I think you should also not do that with women either
But do you see what you are doing. You are saying you are different from other women and do not like being lumped in with them by the people on this site. Then, in the very same comment, you say “everyone here seems so angry.” So you are doing to me the very thing you say you don’t like being done to you.
I am not angry at all. Further, I have no desire to see a woman in a kitchen. I don’t want to get married. So I like women out of the kitchen, out in the world, being all pretty and smelling nice.
I agree that SOME men here are the way you say. But there are a great number of men here that are not. As a person who specifically doesn’t like to be lumped in with all women by men on this site you should understand that better than anyone.
I would advise you to deal with each person on and by their own merits.
Allow me to clarify again. I specifically mean the authors, since that’s what I read. I don’t mean the angry you are talking about. No one here is that type of angry. If people in the comments are agreeing with the authors, then I have the impression that they have similar viewpoints at the very least.
I just realized as I was skimming through this discussion that I missed a few questions about how girls lie.
I definitely do not try to look younger because I am 18. Most people think I’m 16. So if i do wear makeup, its to look more like my age. Which isnt really a lie. So I cannot afford to look younger. Why are you even on this site? You are intelligent, and I don’t understand your need to be here if you have everything figured out
I get what you are saying. I don’t think all the authors are like that either. There are a very big difference between one author and another. Some are very positive.
If you are 18 you do not need to look younger. Though I would suggest never being too casual. It shows great care and respect to someone when you have obviously put effort into appearance.
Why am I on this site? I enjoy it. I like a lot of the articles and enjoy the comradery with people from different walks of life in the comments section. It doesn’t mean I like it all and, frankly, there are some commenters that I think are below contempt. There are lots of different types of people in the world though, only exposing yourself to the ones you like is a surefire way to never learn or grow.
I wouldn’t say I have a need to be here, but I enjoy it and that is good too. And while I am intelligent, thank you for saying, I certainly don’t have everything figured out (ok, maybe like 93% of things 🙂 ).
There is a lot of interesting stuff here. It isn’t all terrific. But some of it really is.
If you noticed, I don’t really agree with the authors here. Which is why I decided to come here anyways to understand them better. I have my own cynicism about men (which is so sad being that I’m so young), but there are millions of them, so I’ll probably find one I like eventually? Honestly it shouldn’t be my focus anyways, since I have college in the fall.
I am sure you will find many you like, some you think you like but don’t and many you don’t like. There are loads of people out there. I think you are right about your focus though. I will tell you the same thing I tell myself and I tell other men. Make yourself excellent. Everyone wants to be near excellent people. If you focus on making yourself excellent everything else will come to you, you will not need to come to it.
I am sure you will do just fine. There are people on this site who would tell you that you should skip school and focus on finding a quality husband. I disagree with those people. Some of them are smart and some are not, but I am not a big believer in trying to pretend its 1888 and live up to some antiquated notion of society.
It has been a pleasure talking to you.
Hahahaha You are right. I disagree with what some men here think about getting married immediately as well. If something were to happen To him or his job, how would we live?
Have fun with whatever you do, and thanks for being mature.
Men YOU choose, at least.
I have never had a boyfriend which means I haven’t “chosen” any man…. Nice try though
Then exactly what warped logic did you base your conclusion on? Hollywood? Instagram? Snapchat? Do enlighten us, oh Wise One!
Hahahaha, men come on to me with the false pretenses that they actually care aboute when its about sex
Again, more than likely men you pick or associate with. Sure, we here are very much into sex, we do have pulses. Yet we put ourselves, our needs and our priorities first over some sex that tends to only be as good as the man wishes anyway.
Ohhh, how about the time when I thought I was just watching movies with a coworker during work, only to find out that he had other things in mind, which ended in sexual assault? That definitely helped me not trust guys:)
Honestly guys are completely expendable to me. I can get sex easily, and if that’s how guys want to present themselves to me as(a means of pleasure)then they are nothing but objects. I want something more than sex, because sex is that easy to get. I really don’t care regardless, I can just keep looking till I get what I want
That happened to you TOO, huh? Oh you poor thing; we never get tired of hearing these copycat pity parties! “I JUST thought this was supposed to happen…”
Yes, I would look for pity from an internet persona? I really don’t care, If it makes you feel better I don’t trust both genders. I never asked for your pity, I simply gave you a reason. Because of that experience I don’t trust men that easily. Please, don’t give yourself so much credit-I don’t care what you say.
Oh no! You’re actually one of my favorite writers here, so I’m sad you’re suspicious of me. I am who I say I am.
Billy Chubbs, is that you, son ?
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Total sentences: 29
Total sentences about yourself: 27
(Where you mention yourself, i.e., I, my, me etc…)
Total sentences not about yourself: 2
Total questions: 1
I see a trend. Do you really want to know what I (or any of us) think?
Shoot me an email: [email protected]
Take a picture of yourself holding a sign that says “AV8R ROK” and send it to me. Don’t stall or waste my time with excuses or petty bullshit as to why you can’t or won’t do it—no nonsense, please. You have a phone, a camera, a webcam—something, so make it happen.
The picture should also show your figure. I’m not talking anything indecent, exposing, or provocative; just something that proves you’re not obese or hiding some kind of deformity. I’ll also ask you some vetting questions to help prove your legitimacy. If everything passes the test—I’ll publicly announce here that I think you are who you say you are.
I also guarantee 100% privacy and any photos you send will be deleted and not shared with anyone.
Not to mention: “my kids” rather than “our” kids. That’s the wrong way of thinking all around.
I’ve no doubt that any woman can find some man willing to marry her, so advice on that seems superfluous, and there are several things here that superficially seem good yet raise a warning in the back of my mind upon further scrutiny.
Wanting a “career” (ie: a way out/some dream of self-indulgence away from the reality of marriage serving as a comforter to the psyche “Well, I’ve got options.”) along with any other feminist drivel (such as marriage rape for instance, as once married sex should always be considered a given) that might be entertained aren’t good signs either if a woman wants a masculine, traditional, dominant, well-to-do older husband. Of course, wait those 6 years; then the “older” men will be even more highly comprised of today’s modern male with greatly lessened standards for women to meet.
Virginity is a good deal of the bargain, but it will be the overall attitudes and character of a woman that will entice or deter men and right now, I would personally grade the person outlined here as a C-.
Why 22? Value for women only depletes with age. What is the point of wasting any time related to their attractiveness? What are the plans for the 6 year interim? Most women go to college, gorge on feminism and progressive ideology, lose interest in their more desirable traits and “experiment” as soon as the hamster goes wild. Seen it over and over despite how adamantly they claimed opposition.
Lastly, to not be a slut, women should not sleep around (some might even argue for abstinence until after marriage), simple as denying any justifications their minds may fabricate to give in to their lusts, because each time one gives in, it’ll be easier to make up an excuse the next time. It may start as: “This is the guy I intend to be with forever.” but will end as: “The sky is blue, why the hell not?”
And there will still be plenty of sluts in the sea for those of us looking to hook-up easily and feminism right there aiding us in the endeavor by convincing women that sluttiness is empowering.
This.
My instincts tell me ALL girls lie. Then there was metal. the end.
Thank God for metal.
Yo AV! I know you probably have a shit ton going on right now, but 7 months since your last article bro????
A girl, er, “girl”, with a similar story turned up on askTRP today. Just sayin’.
17 year old chicks don’t use the word “crux”. There is simply no precedent for it, and no foreseeable circumstance in which it would happen.
What do you mean by that?
A slightly humorous way of indirectly suggesting Roosh had an idea for an article that would generate a lot of traffic and conversation. If you presented that email to me with a picture of Roosh and a picture of a 17 year old girl, and asked me to choose which one wrote it, … That’s all.
I did write the email. If Roosh would be okay with it, I can screenshot our email correspondence and show you?
Actually, that won’t be necessary. I would quite happily stand corrected as-is.
I’m not reading comments and replies in real time, and may have overlooked or not seen yet where you identified yourself.
Yes, I commented with a message about me and my email, and saying thanks for the help. It’s somewhere in these comments now.
As a 17 year old also, sometimes we do use words such as those to prove that despite our age, we do have valid points and want to be taken seriously.
I am genuine, and I am not a slut because first, I go to an all girls school and have very little contact with boys, and second because I am aware of virginity’s value. The returns from keeping it are higher than the returns from losing it for the sake of experimentation, attention, or attraction to the football team.
Thanks for your advice, I’ll take it into consideration.
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I’d like to give the benefit of the doubt and assume you/this girl are real. I guess I would firstly say know yourself and consider these few things: Have you had any sexual thoughts yet? How much of a follower would you say that you are? Are you proud of maintaining your virginity? How much male attention do you receive on a daily basis? Do you have high self esteem? What is your relationship with your father like? Do you factor into your decisions what your parents would think of them? How do you behave when intoxicated? Would it be easy for someone to touch you if you were drunk and off guard?
I feel very judgey posing all of those questions but if you see keeping your virginity as essential those are things to consider. I lost my virginity when I was 20 in a pre planned thing with someone I was very interested in and I actively pursued. It’s not that hard to say no to sex, you don’t need to have sex with someone every time you are drunk and someone asks. A lot of people can’t do that. So, you have to think if you truly value saving yourself to be a virgin bride how you want to get there?
I would suggest something like Seeking Arrangement, the men there can be very old school and understanding of something like that, and it is based off of providing. For dates you would have to be upfront about your expectations. You should not use Tinder or dating apps as most likely they will get you drunk and try and coerce you and you will ruin your streak.
The work/life balance thing you are proposing is interesting in theory. You are 17 now, a lot of things will change in that 5 year span you are proposing to settle down. This is one of my very small handful of issues with the beliefs of neomasculinity; I personally do not think a lot of 22 year olds are prepared for marriage. They are even less prepared for a baby at that time because of the immature narcissism built into the current culture. Yes, the prime baby making years are 19-24 or so, but society was so so different even 20 years ago. If you think you can respect yourself enough to handle a child everyday and disciplining them and dealing with a tantrum when they don’t want to go to bed, be my guest. I recommend nannying, (and not just weekend babysitting), on school nights several nights in a row to feel it out.
You have to give yourself a realistic timeline. I know for myself I can’t date for real until I’m about 25. I am 23 now, I absolutely was far too much of a mess at 22 to handle marriage. My timeline was stunted, I had one partner at that time and would have stayed on if he had wanted to. I stayed completely faithful for 3 years, which is about how long a marriage at 22 these days could probably last given the odds. You are 17 and idealistic and optimistic which is great, but life will slap you in the face soon enough. It doesn’t mean to go and be a whore, just realize your point of view will most likely change.
“I lost my virginity when I was 20 in a pre planned thing with someone I was very interested in and I actively pursued”
Sluts who actively pursued pre marital sex have no business giving any advice, you are damaged goods.
Exhibit A: “I would suggest something like Seeking Arrangement”
Might aswell just go full on jet set Dubai port-o potty @ http://www.tagthesponsor.com/
Yea, she lost me at “find a rich man”.. like “get my degree” like it’s a fucking fast food purchase. IDGAF what your age, 99.9% of American whores are psychologically definable in one paragraph of writing or live speech. That’s right. speech, not conversation, because that ins’t possible either. My suggestion is don’t have kids, traffic sucks. And this wasn’t a response to rip you personally.
If the girl is being truthful, then your suggestion about S.A. is not for her. I have a profile on S.A., and I am there for one reason. And the girls are there for one reason ($$$) as well. A virgin would have no reason to be there at all. And even with that being said, it’s not a very good service. My profile specifies exactly what I want (under 30/thin/pretty/white or east asian), and yet, I still keep getting messages from big, fat, ugly Aunt Jemimas.
Whores are girls who have sex before marriage. Period. That is the line in the sand. Cross that line and you are merely one kind of whore, or you repent before God and Christ, and stay chaste again until marriage, asking for the healing you need, the humility and self-discipline you need over your body and emotions, to become worthy of a man and be a good wife to him.
Outside of that: whore.
That seems a little extreme.
“Might aswell just go full on jet set Dubai port-o potty ”
I’m guessing the female commenter is in on the scam that Roosh apparently is glorifying by dedicating an article about it.
Oh yeah I also think I saw her in Dubai: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2a41abc1fadfb8a6c8998ce35acb6b89165197767d326d9f3aa918e3ba4ad091.png
I’m not a Christian so I guess that makes me a doomed heathen, haha. Oh well.
That it does, Rachael.
I’m sorry, but seeking arrangement is the equivalent of prostitution. There is so much more to a person than their monetary value. If a man is that wealthy, then he would be getting beautiful women, which sadly, 99.99% of woman and men aren’t
I am very disappointed that you are so judgemental and talk about Christ. James 4:11-12 say:
Do not speak evil against one another, brothers. The one who speaks against a brother or judges his brother, speaks evil against the law and judges the law. But if you judge the law, you are not a doer of the law but a judge. There is only one lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But who are you to judge your neighbor? People like you are the reason why so many young people leave the church. No one says you have to agree with her lifestyle, but calling her or anyone else a whore doesn’t solve the problem
Many left Jesus because they said his words were “hard.” Tough nuts.
Stop being whores, as Jesus said to the woman at the well. Lest you be thrown into the lake of fire, as Jesus warns.
Eternal salvation is available to all who repent of their sins. Continued whoring leads to eternal death and hellfire.
Nice try, but last time I checked Jesus in his actions with people never was judgemental with “whores/prostitutes”(I looked and reread the passage: 16 He told her, “Go, call your husband and come back.”
17 “I have no husband,” she replied.
Jesus said to her, “You are right when you say you have no husband. 18 The fact is, you have had five husbands, and the man you now have is not your husband. What you have just said is quite true.”) we look at the bible, Jesus befriended whores. The bible never mentions that he called them a whore, or belittled them of their decisions. Like I said, that’s not your job to do.
And for your second point, no one has to agree with what anyone says. But what made me irritated enough to reply to your comment is that your comment was not constructive in any way to her or anyone else. You are free to criticize her lifestyle, but calling her a whore is the equivalent of me telling a porn star that she sucks dick.
Look up the passage where he calls the woman a “dog” whilst not bothering to look at her.
Oh, and he did NOT “befriend” whores… he only accepted those who repented. The rest? Nope, he wasn’t “hanging out” with them. Repent, change your ways, you can hang with Jesus, aka you’re no longer a whore. Keep whoring, and burn in hell without Jesus. That is not “befriending” whores, as though he was hanging out with unrepentant sinners all day. He wasn’t.
uuugh… “befriended sinners”… “hung out with sinners”… it’s such a canard. It’s so… easy. And easily refuted. He preached hellfire and damnation to them if they did not repent, and friendship and eternal salvation if they did. Those trite and sentimental expressions make the feminized Church of Nice types feel all warm and fuzzy inside, mainly about avoiding hard conversations and confrontation with others. But please, by all means, if I am wrong, show me where JC was just chillin’ all day and night with the kids who told him to pop off after He warned them of hellfire. I’d love to see where he was just like, “that’s a no? ok, well, hey, let’s have a beer and watch the game guys!”
not.
not constructive to those who read emotionally. Very, very constructive for those who seek clarity… clarity in the definition of terms and boundary lines for what type of behavior is or is not acceptable.
But you know, clear definitions are “hateful” to people like you. Because, feels.
I’m not taking anything emotionally. Allow me to give you an example. Let’s say you believes that alienshe existed and I didn’t. Telling me that aliens exist doesn’t really prove anything to me. But if you tell me factual evidence why aliens existed I would be naturally more open to listening. I’m just telling you that most people will react in an emotional way. If they don’the want to listen at that point then you did your job and can walk away
yes, Etoile, and if you want to always speak to the lowest denominator, by all means go ahead. but don’t waste time, energy, and breath criticizing your brothers and sisters in Christ who preach the Gospel and Truth in a different way when you should be spending your time against the Enemy. You’re tone-policing and it’s a massive waste of time and energy, mine and yours.
Also, i GAVE you hard evidence that many, many people took offense, emotional offense, to Jesus’s logical, hard truth-speak, and they are now in hell because of it. So, while MOST people will react in an emotional way, guess what?! WE ALL KNEW THAT ALREADY Etoile! It doesn’t mean anything. It means that if they reject Truth and Christ because of their butthurt, as many did in the Bible too, they go to hell. If they reject Christ because no one gave them hard logic and got in their face, made their egos hurt a bit and inspired them to think more or change, they go to hell to.
So, be emotionally sensitive, YOU do that, but don’t tell me that others’ emotional reactions to the harder parts of the Gospel makes ME a bad guy. Saying so is the same as saying that Jesus was a bad guy because He said stuff that people found offensive and therefore did not accept Him as Lord. So, you’re saying Jesus got it wrong!
If you can’t follow that…..
Ok fine. I follow what you are saying. No need to take things so emotionally. I already mentioned that some people will not listen. I’m am just telling you how people react. Being a whore doesn’t send you to hell anyways. But not believing in Jesus does. If calling people a whore is your way of bringing people to Christ, then it’s your problem to deal with. If it works, then I don’t really have much to say. You can have a mature conversation with someone about their decisions.
Actually, with many people you cannot have a mature conversation. Not sure your age bracket, but with much of the “youth”, depending on the nation you’re in, many conversations are non-starters. They have neither the intellectual nor the emotional maturity to even engage. For many of them, either angle, the rhetorical or the dialectic, a slow-paced analysis of the pros and cons of their life choices, or preaching hellfire and damnation, does nothing.
To be honest, and I’m being quite serious about this, as an objective observer of my past interactions over the past few years over several continents, the amount of BS being shoved into the heads of most people, hellfire and damnation is far more likely to resonate with them, if only because the NEVER hear it and have never heard it, ever. Ever. They’ve got 101 excuses and rationalizations for not being Christian, or not being a practicing one, or having sex with their boyfriend, or blah, blah, blah (pick your sin), they’re so full of moral relativism, that having someone tell them that hell really exists and that they’re going there if they don’t change. That might be their only hope. Because they only think and react emotionally, they need a big emotion to jar them awake. Or maybe later they will remember it more.
To each his own. Keeping preaching Christ and fighting the good fight. Christ the King.
Well, I do have a few sons and we are Russian Orthodox…
“Any female born and raised in this country ends up a slut sooner than later (assuming her parents didn’t keep her in the basement and away from any modicum of media).”
I would wager that at this point in time at the decline of the West, I highly doubt one can find a seventeen year old female who isn’t a virtueless, piece of shit whore.
Now, now
Some are much too fat and physically unattractive to monetize the vag
Sharpe, Donovan Sharpe.
E) purchase pocket rocket
They exist, but are usually heavily insulated from the poz by their parents and would almost certainly not be writing RoK.
You see them all the time in the ethnic Orthodox Churches; they usually get setup with someone from church of the same ethnicity so your point still stands that this is highly suspect.
The fact that she says, twice, that she requires the guy to be wealthy, is a huge red flag.
Other than that, I find it a bit odd that a supposed almost perfect 17 year old American white girl would be so anxious to find an ROK type guy that she is asking Roosh to play matchmaker and/or just give advice.
You must be reading this, honey. What say you?
If she is what she says she is, she is perfectly justified for desiring a wealthy guy.
Donovan, I’ve been reading ROK,because I believe that instead of hearing liberal media views, that you should hear two sides of the argument (conservative “men’s rights”). I decided to go this route and just message a fellow ROK reader so that multiple people could join the debate. Now, a little about myself (to allow you to pick me apart for later) I am:
18 year old female
Beautiful (have no problems proving it)
I am a size 0 dress
Not a virgin (slept with one guy only)
Racially mixed
Christian
Now I have noticed many things about these posts/comments that I have read. There is a philosopher that I recently came across (friedrich Nietzsche) who talks about Master and Slave Morality(https://youtu.be/XhaaVeYmWM4h , a MGTOW youtuber). Sadly, I feel that you, along with many other male readers, posses traits of slave morality. ROK is characterized constantly by pessimism and cynicism, and vilifies it’s opponents. Ultimately, slave morality Is a reaction to oppression, which is what all you guys whine about. You men whine how you guys are so opressed, when all that these liberal women are trying to do is become like you.
You guys also constantly whine and complain about the below average looks of the female population, but I also have to think about your own credibilty. Are the men here actually attractive ? Do they even have a “say” in the looks department? Are you 6 ft tall? Washboard Abs, perfect smile?
Sorry, but sex isn’t everything. Let me tell you a little secret. I can get sex anywhere, anytime I want to. I understand that sex is more important to males than to females. But even I realize that just sleeping around, tinder, etc., will never fill in the longing that I have for respect, companionship, trustworthiness…. No marriage will work if all you built it on is the idea that a girls hymen isn’t broken, which seems to be all that you guys care about. Also, even after losing my virginity, my hymen isn’t even broken, according to my gynecologist. So a hymen isn’t really indicative of whether someone is even a virgin.
Don’t contribute to the problem, then whine about the consequences.
I’ve read many articles on ROK, about how the authors and commenters talk about their sexual exploits, then whine about how women are sluts. It takes two to tango. A women can only be a slut if a men are willing to engage in sex with her. I don’t care how high your sex drive is. If a females chastisity was so important to males, then they would abstain. I believe in demand side economics.
I am open to as many rebuttals as you can throw at me… but please, seeing how judgemental some off you are, try to do better and think of more clever insults than slut. Actually insult my intelligence, or lack of, whatever you believe.
that should be easy:
1. hang out near a church in a good neighborhood
2. when you see an older, wealthy man, approach him with a confused innocent face and ask if he knows where the pet shop is…
!!
And the password is KRATOM !
Understand that having one man who loves you is better than 1000 men who just want to fuck you. Sluts will try to make fun of you for being more traditional, but ignore them – know that despite what they might say or how they act, on the inside they are miserable.
And having one man who loves to have you fucked by 1000 men is even better if you are a splasher
American men are swimming in free nookie(at least the type she wishes to marry).A wealthy guy in his late twenties is hardly wanting to settle,even for a virgin.She may have to find a religious community or aim for a man in his late thirties that is much more experienced and bored with bachelor lifestyle,and appreciates a youthful virgin enough to bet half of his wealth on it.There is nothing sweeter than being a rich white dude in US.You get to have unlimited sex,adoration and even father children with nothing more than your mere status.Modern feminist environment turned the market into candy store for any Alpha.Any guy with ounce of wit isn’t going to cave in for a hymen.However,he isn’t going to cave in anyhow.
Has the mating market then become a “winner take all” society?
even when a girl likes a guy, sometimes she fucks it up by testing him too hard at the wrong time. To her, it’s flirting, but he might think she’s a bitch and ditches her. Girls aren’t even aware when they test you, it’s an automated response.
Lies. ALL LIES!
They ended up married, by the way. She was just an 18 year old looking for an older professional man to guide her on the straight and narrow.
Love at first grapple.
Sadly, I’m not the only one who thinks it’s a fake letter, based on what Roosh transcripted above. Even the “Letter From A Member Of The Global Elite” looked more candid.
roosh, send her my way. Ill take care of her.
I can imagine how you would take care of her!
stop spoiling the virgins ass hole !
I don’t spoil their assholes. I’m not into anal.
As below, I concur. This is bull. Sounds like that shit you got a few years ago from Russian girls looking to find an American husband. Or plain old baiting. Reads like an ISIS sex-slave ad.
Is this a new income stream, Roosh?
BUT, were this an actual girl I would suggest she talk to her father about how to meet a good man instead of a blogger. Obviously shows the shortcomings of communication in her family, so she’s probably f’ing doomed.
a-fuckin-walt
Since her social circle probably does not have many 30-35 yr old men and if she is serious the internet is a good tool for women. Set your age range very specific and what you want very specific on some sites this will block 90% of the traffic you get but for a quality woman this is a must. Look for someone that puts effort into the written part of the profile and their messages.
Meet 1 or 2 guys a week and demand real dates and hold them to a more traditional standard, god knows you dont want to end up sitting across from RooshV (I keed I keed).
1. Marry an older man.
That should be enough for a start.
I’ve had some experience in the “hospitality” industry. Since my Red Pilling, it disgusts me to have to deal with single women older that 25 who still “date” and see “boyfriends.” You really have to wonder about women’s intelligence when you see how many of them have failed to understand the purpose of their own biology.
Hi All,
This is the girl mentioned in the article. I am not, as many have speculated, a journalist, or someone who ill-wishes Roosh or RoK. To those who believe my writing style to be out of a teenage girl’s ability, I can only say that the English department at my school has beaten it into me. I promise my speech is much more colloquial, and more characteristic of a seventeen year old than my writing. I also meant what I said when I described myself as intelligent. I value communication and being articulate very highly, and so my writing (I hope) expresses this.
I don’t know how to convince you all that I am not someone with disingenuous motives. I would suggest that someone who has such motives would try very hard to sound like a teenage girl, instead of a thirty five year old journalist.
Thanks to user “yup,” I created a Disqus to try and clear this up. I appreciate all of your input, and am taking it into account.
Best,
Vivian
Fair enough. Pay heed to the comments here. Know we are many heads and many thoughts but of one general consensus; a feminine woman is one who values her chastity, her family, and her contribution to their station in life. A little self sacrificing goes a long way in preserving a union which guarantees life long friendship, love and community for all involved.
EDIT: I will vouch for you, kid. Anyone who has any basis in rhetoric or English colloquialisms, knows to use the term ‘suggests’ under the context that you have is a big mistake. Not in the sense that it fails to convey your point, just more so that it stretches your content and refers to a subject (person, place, thing) that is never actually addressed. Are you stating this as an action that has passed? Or as a way to illuminate a future action to take as a way of proving or disproving your character as that of a child versus an older journalist? Simplified, you used the wrong verb, classic mistake from someone who has yet to come into their own on their intelligence. The really smart people feed you a lot of information while stating it plainly. You have a ways to go in your rhetoric but you are off to a decent start.
Understood. I know I need to de-clutter my language a bit, so thanks for the rhetoric tip and the support.
You’ve handled yourself fairly well here, and the comments show a general decency that reflects well on ROK readers. If this was an operation intended to elicit “shameful” behavior then it failed.
Since you’re participating now, what sort of man is your father? What was your relationship like when you were a child, and how has it changed as you’ve grown older?
My two daughters are in their early twenties.
How can a man trust you not to divorce him later as a easy way to get his wealth?
Are you willing to give up your Citizenship and get married in other countries that is not one sided in divorce, like China or Philippines
There are enough articles on both here and all over the “manosphere” and broader Internet in general that have dealt with this whole topic ad nauseum that everyone who wants to can get all the advice they need. This site is for men and our issues.
Are you replying to me? It seems to be a fraud.
Why did you make your Disqus account private?
This is attention whoring; do not engage.
The point of this article is not whether or not one individual girl wrote it. There are readers out there looking for a way not to be sluts and to be happy with their lives. So what is the answer for them. The point is not to address this one particular fictional writer (or, on the off chance she is real, the actual author of this article). The point is to discuss the best path for young women about to finish school and begin a more independent life, and what steps she should take to find happiness and fulfillment.
In other words, whether the letter was written 100% by Roosh or is the real McCoy, one should respond the same way: Provide advice for what should be done in this type of situation.
First, realize that as a teenager, whatever you think you want now will likely change. In other words, don’t plan on starting a career at age 40. You may or may not want a career then (and can always start one if you do). There are plenty of other paths to fulfillment that you may not have experienced or even thought about yet (ie volunteering, working in your local church, arts, crafts, hobbies, etc.). You don’t have to take the path of a corporate job with a paycheck to fulfill whatever role you want at age 40. Plus, the world will be far different then, and will likely operate in ways far different than it does today.
Second, don’t place so many rules or restrictions on your life plan. (IE marrying someone “10” years older, getting married “at 22”, starting a career “at 40”, having “2 children”). Think in broad strokes. Marry “young” to a man who is committed to loving and cherishing you. Have children (plural) and enjoy motherhood, as it is one of the greatest joys a woman can experience. Don’t limit or enumerate it.
Third, to find a decent man… this one does strike me as difficult. Many decent men are going MGTOW and a lot of guys don’t go to church anymore. However, I would recommend an orthodox eastern church, and I’m sure you would find a suitable man there quickly.
Fourth, re-evaluate why you want a career. What is a career to you? A way of earning a paycheck? Your husband may be able to provide financially for the family. A hobby that will keep you interested and engaged? There are many other ways of achieving that without a career. A way of feeling special and important? Instead of being a cog in a big corporate wheel, consider being a leader in a church or charity. A leader of an organization doing things for good that you can help control and steer, not a drone in a cubicle. Again, think in broad strokes, not limiting specifics (fulfilling and rewarding life, vs career). As far as careers, a job like teaching, which leaves summers free but nurtures the natural motherly instincts, is good.
Fifth, consider activities you enjoy. Much research has shown that common interests results in a fulfilling relationship more than many other factors. Like to make things? Join an art group. Like the outdoors? Join an outdoor club. Like music? Join a musical group (not a rock band). You will find men who share these interests.
Sixth, focus on what you can provide to a man. Begin thinking of “us” and not “me”. Think of your family and of pleasing your man, not of what you want.
Seventh, consider that even the readers of ROK are thirsty, and auction yourself off to the highest bidder (hmmmmmm…)
Finally, if you are truly facing difficulties in finding a suitable man, ask your father, uncle, priest, etc. Chances are they know of several willing suitors.
Probably a fake letter but,
1. Marry a man older than you. It shouldn’t be hard to find a good 28-30 year old man who is in medical school or law school or comes from a good family or has ambition. The key is to hang out where winners hang out. Get a job at a country club, a high end steak restaurant, or location frequented by sucessful men. Dont be afraid to ask your regulars if they have a son.
The good thing about older men is you can easily judge them. Are they winning or losing in life? Picking a winner out of 18 year old college males is as hard as picking a winning lotto ticket. By 30, a mans path is set and it is easier to judge him.
2. No drugs, no alcohol, become a fit girl. Work on your appearance. Be feminine. Nothing wrong with cosmetic surgery if needed. No drugs for your man either. Avoid the guys that stack roids and run tren for insta followers.
3. Family first, then career. If you must go to school, study something that will allow you to find a job anywhere your husband may chose to live and pick a career that gives a flexible schedule to accommodate your husbands needs.
Ex: personal trainer, nurse, nutritionist, personal chef.
Thanks! The flexible career advice is especially helpful
Dude, cosmetic surgery is a deal breaker. Men are selecting women with beautiful children in mind. Cosmetic surgery is living a lie, unless it’s to correct damage from an accident or non-genetic issue.
There’s nothing wrong with fake tits that are tastefully done. Even trumps daughter has a modest pair and dresses respectfully.
But i do understand your point, when a woman has a jacked face and does tons of work it is a form of false advertisement.
Fake tits = no breastfeeding
Lawyers are the scum of the earth
Just for grins, decided to run this through linguistic analysis (http://liwc.wpengine.com/).
Not sure the text is long enough at 491 words, but the analyzer indicated a relatively weak, inward-looking person writing an authentic and emotional email. Not that I’m an expert, but seems pretty likely to me this was written by a woman in some distress (either that, or Roosh has gotten a LOT better at writing in a fake “voice”)
In any case, it’s a good topic for the community. We all have wives, girlfriends, sisters, daughters, etc. that we’d like to see make good choices that would keep them healthy, happy, and fulfilled, and feel like we’re pushing at the tide of messages telling them every deviance is totally acceptable and any judgement is “haters” or the patriarchy.
It’s not enough to criticize, we need to be able to push a positive message as well.
Thank you! I appreciate the support.
Good luck to you, you must have introduced yourself while I was using the analyzer. Hope it all works out for you
Dear Girl,
If you indeed wish to do this, you cannot do it alone. Also, going to church is not an option either because of the corruption.
What you are looking for is a principled man. You ask what his principles are and then see if he’s lived by them. if he’s 10 years older, then he should have enough opportunities to practice them.
You will need the help of people who are a good judge of character. Specifically, you should be keenly interested in his relationship to his mother. This is essentially how the relationship will be towards you. Conversely, he would be interested in your relationship to your father.
Also, what is the hierarchy within the family. This is vitally important because how you are yielding and respective to your husband, will mirror in how your children will regard you. Women who disrespect their husbands, have disrespectful children.
Also be watchful of putting children a higher priority than the marriage. If the house burns, he will grab you first, and you him, then the children. (two adults looking for children has a higher success than an adult with child, finding another adult)
Also, while its nice to have a plan, be careful that you do not consume your husband and dispose of him when it’s time for your career. The husband you are looking for will be aware of your intention to dispose him.
Also, can you be a mother while being with a poor man? Wealth is temporary and those with inherited wealth will not consider you. You are just not part of their world.
Remember, more powerful than anything, persistence is ultimate.
good luck.
Dear Boy,
I can be a mother while married to a poor man, but it can put my children’s financial security in jeopardy, which is something I’d like to avoid. While not out of the question, a man with some wealth is preferable to one who lacks it.
Thanks for all your advice.
He wasn’t talking about marrying a poor man. He was talking about the fact that your “wealthy” man, if not born to wealth, may well go through ups and downs, and periods of poverty. Can you handle that.
Also, although your chances are slim if you aren’t already among the wealthy set, you can, if you look well and present yourself well, do the “My Fair Lady” thing and land a man. If you are attending a decent college, you already have a good shot at meeting someone of that nature. But his family can kill such a marriage, or disinherit him very quickly unless you win them over too. Easier to find the self-made man in his thirties. It takes self discipline and principle to achieve wealth.
if i were a carpenter …
Hugs to her! This is true girl power, owning your femininity and planning appropriately. So proud of you for making this decision so young! Good luck xo
Thanks! I really appreciate your support. Hugs to you too!
Yeah, hugs !
The only advice I’ve seen so far to you involves looking into Orthodox churches and Mormons.
Allow me to drop a piece of advice that might also work: Try to find a second generation son of immigrants from a Christian part of the world, especially Mediterranean europe (Greece, Italy, Spain). You want his parents to be off the boat, with deep deep accents and English as their second language.
These sons come in two flavors: Utter bastards, and very naive and very nice family guy. If you can find the very naive and very nice family guy, you can accomplish all your goals as a genuine team, with him working hard while you keep the household and “support the troops from behind the lines.”
Only caveat: These men tend to spoil their children quite a bit, which can result in the third generation being dicey without careful rearing on the part of the mother.
Semi-caveat: They also tend to be very very good looking when young, but degrade fast after 35 or so.:) As my cousin says, “I used to look like a Greek God, now I just look like a Greek.”
A warning which may already be floating around the responses. Actually two.
1. Make sure of the man you marry. I dont mean shit tests or such. I meam if he appears purple rather than red, make very sure you are getting what you want/need. (Voice of experience)
2. Be prepared for other people, women in particular, to try and take you down a notch or twenty. You will get ostracized and name called. Rise above it and realise it comes from jealousy.
Best of luck sweetie!
Scenario 1. The letter is geniune, the girl is real deal. She already knows what to do, if she’s been reading ROK for 3 years, because we’ve already covered that one.
Scenario 2. Somebody’s got a hot one for us around here.
You can marry me in a couple years! Otherwise good luck.
That’s the spirit!
There’s no way anyone would believe this is real at first or second glance.
Without some sort of proof that this letter is authentic, anyone here would waste any time giving advices.
,, I am considering getting married young (22 would be ideal) to an older, (approx 10 years) wealthy man, having children soon after, raising them, divorce his ass for half of his money and the house and then start my career in my late thirties. ”
Here you go girl, I fixed it for ya’.
Why would she need a different career if she did that? It’s so profitable. Just rinse and repeat. Remarry at 30, have another kid, have another divorce. Rinse and repeat, baby. You’ll retire a rich old hussy!
You don’t even need to add anything. It’s there and it’s genius.
Teenage girl in 2016 America who doesn’t want to be a slut? Doesn’t add up…
I am bewildered. Since when do we mentor girls?
She should learn from her own kind and of whom she aspires to be if anything. The internet is big enough for that.
“We” are so used to having our ideology rejected that we are befuddled when it actually gets a sounding board.
Yeah, has to be it.
Some troll probably wrote that letter.
God, my head aches from these comments.
Neomasculinity. Finds perfect woman, treats her like shit anyway.
Her story doesn’t add up. That’s the point.
I love how “she” seems to regard having children as some onerous chore to be gotten out of the way before the fun of embarking on her career.
Her mentality seems to be: “Squeeze out a couple rugrats, boot them out the door at 18” and then she can embark on that long illustrious career of shuffling papers in a cubicle.
Most careers are incredibly dull and monotonous: even doctors do the same thing day in and day out.
The purpose of life is reproduction. Every organism on the planet but humans seems to understand this. Only humans regard reproduction as an obstacle or roadblock to life.
“The purpose of life is reproduction. Every organism on the planet but humans seems to understand this. Only humans regard reproduction as an obstacle or roadblock to life”
Spot on! Only human beings have the choice to live life as they like even if that means going against their nature. Offcourse most people (especially women) regard reproduction as an obstacle because this is what they have been taught to believe by the media. Humans are highly programmable… If you repeat a message a sufficient number of times through sources of propaganda (TV, Internet, Radio etc), the majority will start blindly believing and repeating it.
Hmm…something is rotten in the state of Denmark.
Searched and found a newer game being released with Vivian Graves as the star character:
Google ‘ “vivian graves” feminist ‘ without the single quotes, it’s the 4th hit today.
The front page caption kinda says it all…
“Vivian Graves – Necromancer
The protagonist of Undead Shuffle is not exactly a good guy. She’s a cultured lady who commands the armies of darkness. Her goal is to take power from the omnipotent Lich Doctor, the current BigBad of the fantasy land because she thinks she can run things better.”
Alright I’ll bite the bullet and groom – I mean – guide this nubile high school girl.
Advice? Listen to your mother and your grandmother, and stay off the comments section of male blogs.
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,,,
If this girl wants to land a man 10 years her elder, she better familiarize herself with late 80s / early 90s culture.
I’m talking Mighty Max, Monster in my pocket, MAD TV, Wishbone, Simpsons … she gotta immerse in that shit. If she wants my Millenial moolah, she better get on my wavelength ‘ya dig?
Fuck this bullshit, give us the next article from Quintus and Aurelius !
If a bitch is concerned about her life ( which she should be ) the first person she should look for answers is her Father. If he’s a drunked moron than in that case a Priest, don’t have a Priest ? Than enlist in a church, don’t like churches ? Than it goes against your wishes. God and Quality of Life go hand in hand.
Maybe, but she wants to “feel the pulse of the market” sort to speak. She want to know what men like.
Then she should talk to respectable married women.
At age 17? I don’t think so. This journalist’s game is maaaaaad sloppy!
You never know, maybe she is really educated and a clever gal for that matter.
Too good in the right areas, and too inconsistent in the others to possibly be true.
Another Salon writer seeking a scalp? Who knows. But any chick that insists on having a career and only marrying a rich guy is a gold digging, attention seeking, feminist flag desirer to avoid.
I caught that too; she want’s a wealthy man AND she wants a career. Something about placing those two pursuits together doesn’t sit well with me.
Joke: What’s the best way for a man to make God laugh?
Ans: Tell him your plans.
Not a joke: What’s the best way for a woman to make her man laugh?
(same answer)
Also notches times three.
Women’s plans that come to fruition: divide by three.
With juggling kids, she’ll forget the rest. I can put money on it.
Show me women who don’t want to MARRY not have a relation but MARY a wealthy man. Cmon son that basic stuff that goes back to cavemen days
But I dropped more info than that. I pointed out those two features in addition to others. You cannot take part of a particular thing and then summarize it based only upon those parts. Consider all the points I’ve raised and then evaluate.
There’s more information than that contained in her email. Read the entire thing. This shit don’t add up.
Maybe it is a journalist plant, but I definitely wrote like that at 17. Heck, I wrote like that at 15. Some of us have the gift of language.
But did you have those thoughts at 17? And how long ago was that?
Sounds like a slut.
Call me a sucker, but I get pretty sad when I look at so many young, pretty girls and know that their best years will be pissed away on the carousel. Untamed female instinct is an acid that burns through everything.
In your position, roosh, I would tell this young woman to focus on finding the best partner she can. Her main goal needs to be finding a solid man, and establishing a traditional relationship. The emphasis should be on marriage and children, with no deception on her part (I.E, no thoughts of cuckolding or divorce raping). She should look for someone who is compassionate, family oriented, hard working, and stable. She should carry out her search in the same manner that her grandmother and great-greatmother did: That means ruling out sex as part of the vetting process (none of that ‘if I sleep with him, then I’ll know’ clap trap). To find her future husband, she needs to pay attention to her heart and mind, and not just what gets her aroused. All in all, a pretty tall order given what the media is telling her to do, and what her friends are probably doing. Women have a very hard time pulling away from the herd, so she needs to make a decision on how important her future is!
I’m certain there are female spaces on the internet which reflect a concept of femininity compatible with neomasculine concepts. Why is a woman coming to a male space for guidance on finding a husband?
And then there’s this:
“I am considering getting married young (22 would be ideal) to an older, (approx 10 years) wealthy man, having children soon after, raising them, and then start my career in my late thirties.”
You want a wealthy man AND a career? Sounds like the feminist maxim which tells women that they can have it all.
And then there’s this:
“I am a seventeen year old high school student who has been reading RoK and your blog for three years.”
Reading this blog since age 14? That makes no sense. Let’s assume she to be at the tail end of 14 and round off to 15. What does an average 15 year old do on the internet? How about an above average 15 year old? In both cases, the normal pattern of surfing the interwebz is largely confined to mainstream stuff.
And there is this:
“My attention was first caught by the controversy surrounding the “Five Reasons to Date a Girl with an Eating Disorder” article. Most of my liberal friends were criticizing it, but I was intrigued by a site called “Return of Kings.” As a result, I became a regular site visitor as a fourteen year old.”
She has liberal friends and learned about ROK via the “Five Reasons….” article by Thutmosis. Remember the feminist outrage over that article? If this girl, at the age of 14 has liberal friends and learned of ROK via “Five Reasons….” it is more than appropriate to assume that she was heavily into the feminist culture. Teens of any age want to be “cool”. Being “liberal” is “cool” to most teens. Being “liberal” and “feminist” is “cool” to female teens. You mean to tell me that this girl in what appears to be a “liberal” and “feminist” teen culture came to ROK and became “intrigued” to the point of becoming a regular reader before turning seventeen? Apparently she had some sort of epiphany and she’s not yet 18. That shit don’t add up.
Putting all these items together reminded me of an article by Vox that was titled “The Media Comes After The Alt-Right”. I know some of you guys don’t self identify as Alt-Right. I don’t but ROK and other sites seem to fall under a larger umbrella that includes the Alt-Right. I would dare to place the likes of Tommy Sotomayor beneath that umbrella as well. My point is that two possibilities exist: 1) this is a very unusual woman or 2) this is a journalist perpetrating a fraud and gathering information so that she to can build a name for herself for what Vox may have suggested in the title of his article; that this predicted media onslaught has given incentive to journalists to prepare their own articles so that they may be able to say “Yeah, I was leading the charge against those cretins, racists, and misogynists.”
There is no way that this was written by a seventeen year old girl.
I agree that it was probably written by a freelance journalist who would like to publish an article about ROK.
I am curious wether you accepted her offer to send you a picture?
Some things in life sound too good to be true…like the bank clerk telling you about this fantastic investment, which will give you an average interest of 8% per year…right!!
Yup…. agreed.
It’s plausible that a girl who went to a private school would know how to write well. The private school I went to taught English two periods a day from K-12, plus the other classes usually had a writing component (e.g. requiring writing a major paper).
While suspicious, I think that she does allow us to discuss some interesting issue.
However, 2/10, WNB or MIRL – possible feminist honey trap.
If she’s for real that’s one thing, but underage girls get into clubs all the time and hook up with older guys but it’s not marriage. Talk arranged marriage or dowry or trad ways in the west and you’ve beaten the hornet’s nest with a stick as always. The time to beat the nest is when they’re stumbling already and the nest drops and you stomp it. The big issue is young western girls getting wasted, not marrying, never pair bonding and the nanny state waiting for them at the end of the playing field. The whole bitch system is teetering on its ass end and will flop. It’s all flipping. It’s like trying to flip a poorly mixed pancake and the shit’s breaking up. Ha!
I’m past reasonable suspicion now. Old girl is commenting in this comments section as “viviangraves”. According to her, she has been reading ROK for a couple of years but only has 19 comments on her DISQUS account, AND her account is private. I’m calling bullshit.
What I don’t understand, and I alluded to in another comment, is why anyone here is bothering to call out the bullshit.
I just assume that whenever a female says anything it is bullshit geared at personal gain. Regardless of whether or not I know her particular goal, I know a woman is making self servicing statements of dubious veracity by the fact that words are coming out of her mouth.
This is what makes blow jobs so great. When she is sucking your dick she isn’t lying to you. Not overtly at least. She still is pretending a million other things, but at least for the moment she is only capitalizing on lies she already told you….not making any current new ones.
Yes, it strikes me as concern trolling, and is troubling that even the readership of ROK is so triggered by the validity or falseness of a supposed letter from a younger female reader. Assume it’s false, and even if it’s real, the advice I would give is the same. I made a post earlier with some suggestions.
In the end, though, what’s the point of giving good advice? A young woman in such a situation will either submit to the authority of her father, or she won’t. I doubt anything some anonymous dudes on a message board say will have much impact on things.
This sounds exactly correct.
I would definately impact some things
Why does Roosh put American women in a different category to other women??? They are the same as women in other countries. I guarantee you
I agree with you. The difference, however, is the men and level of wealth to create abundance.
American men, coming originally from a good white knighting position, gave women rights they were never fully prepared to responsibly exercise. This snow balled into women having a disproportionate amount of power, men being immasculated and culture taking on female traits of irresponsibility, live for the moment culture etc.
American women are different from, say, Indian, Pakistani, Romanian, Mexican, Chinese and phillipino women because the money isn’t there for men to allow women to indulge in this nonsense for the most part and if they tried to the men wouldn’t hesitation to properly dissapline their women up to, and including if a situation merits it, a good crack in their mouth to remind them what’s what.
That that force still exists creates a situation where a lot of women are not going to be so stupid as to earn in and wind up acting more feminine and thus being actually happier
a good crack in their mouth
Thanks, I needed that.
So so most women
I needed to hear a US person that actually lives in New York Shitty say that, not the actually cracking itself.
She should go to Dubai and marry a rich older Arab.
Unless the mohar is a few cases of premium toilet paper…
I sorta doubt she wants to be crapped on, but I could be wrong….
I have lots of advice you’ll probably never get from anyone else:
– High value males are as rare as high value females. Lots of the men on this site would consider themselves high value, but are actually just C+ to B. The trick to being successful at game is that not many people play, so just showing up lets a guy win a bit by default. The people who are most successful at game are still only B+.
– I know some high value men in the field of Osteopathy. And… that’s about it. A few others here and there in various other fields.
– Avoid meeting guys outside of friends of friends of friends. Look for a close knit community of intelligent or motivated people. I, for example, know a group of massage therapists and other healers.
I suggest learning a trade at a good looking trade school. Good trade schools tend to develop good communities (like my massage friends).
Also, practicing a trade, no matter what it is (including arts), tends to attract intelligent and motivated people. Avoid a career path, as that repels intelligent and motivated people.
You are interesting if and only if you have interests.
What ever you practice, make sure you’re happy to fail. Success is only possible if you learn from your failures along the way. Try to desire failure as the best way to learn. But don’t scar yourself in the process of failing.
– Men (and presumably women, although I’ve only met one who could confirm this) figure out what they really want to do in life and how to accomplish it at age 27. Prior to that, they only have ideas and hopes and dreams. This makes 29-33 a good age to aim for in men. As any high value male would be steadily on the path to success at that age, and beginning to reap the rewards.
I suppose this also means that waiting until you’re 27 to pursue a career is a good idea.
– If you are truly intelligent, avoid men who have slept with lots of women. These men tend to be emotionally unstable. This is primarily because these men have mainly slept with emotionally unstable women. And sex causes people to adopt a bit of each other (this effect is much stronger in women, but still noticeable in men).
-The most important thing should be your ability to communicate with a man. Intelligent men tend to prioritize that in women. And I don’t mean ability to talk and listen, but ability to understand and reciprocate. a high IQ gap will cause people to feel like they just can’t communicate. I, for example, need a girl to be psychically open, because I communicate on that level. If a girl isn’t at least a little bit psychically aware, I have no interest in her (no matter how attractive she appears).
(There’s a 22 year old I’ve been helping learn meditation. She’s very physically attractive, though not someone I’m interested in because of her sexual history. I finally helped her become psychically aware recently, and felt attraction to her for the first time at that moment. I didn’t realize it was that important to me. I knew it was important, but I didn’t know how important).
– Hippie types and artsy types are horribly droll, and give bad advice, but they tend to know someone who knows someone who is actually high value. And if you’re the one they know who’s high value, they will help you in any way they can. (this is not true of hipsters).
– Your virginity is the most important thing. High value men aren’t interested in a non-virgin. Way too much emotional baggage, and not worth the effort it takes to build a real relationship with them (it takes a LOT of effort to build a real relationship with a non-virgin, to the point that most people can’t even do it).
– The world sucks right now in more ways than just “everyone is low value”. There’s a problem that makes everyone lazier than they should be. This same problem also causes everyone to heal slower, learn slower, and be more afraid to communicate. And that’s not going to go away until I make it go away.
This means that many of the traits people think of as reflecting high value actually aren’t. Everyone in the world is going to have to learn to put up with an intrinsic laziness that just seems out of place. There’s no avoiding it.
– Whenever someone says “you need to experience it to understand”, ignore them. They’re stupid, and afraid of real communication. This goes double for someone saying you need to experience sex. If someone says that to you, write that person off as someone you should never allow to influence your decisions, because that person is specifically trying to sabotage your life in order to feel better about their own bad decisions.
– Avoid marijuana until you’re 23; and after that, wait at least 30 days between each use. Marijuana causes the user’s emotions to get stuck.
Avoid alcohol until you’re 19; and after that, wait at least 20 days between each use. When you’re married, you can try more. Alcohol causes laziness and belly fat (the hard to get rid of kind).
Avoid LSD, Cocaine, Heroine, and other hard drugs entirely. They cause permanent damage to the spine and nervous system. Only I and a few highly skilled Osteopaths can help your body recover from the damage.
Avoid pharmaceutical drugs like the plague. Off-the-shelf cold and flu medicine is acceptable, but never take more than the recommended dose. No aspirin, as aspirin withdrawal causes headaches. Don’t take anything that’s catered to women in the way aspirin is.
Try to keep in mind that 95+% of drug science is fraudulent, and 90+% of pharmaceutical drugs are recalled within 10 years because they didn’t do what they claimed. (Something like 80% of all science on average is fraudulent, but it heavily depends on the field, and most of it is never talked about anyway.)
– Practice at least a minimal amount of “awareness meditation”. That and Taoist meditation are the only forms of meditation that properly train the mind. Spiritual forms of meditation are usually fine, but vary widely depending on their origin.
– Long hair doesn’t matter as much as everyone makes it out to. Well, it does, but not for truly intelligent girls. What matters more is that your hair style fits you (don’t make your hair style fit your image of you. It has to fit the real you).
– Girls tend to learn at an early age that they need to put on a mask and alter their personality or fear rejection from the group. You can keep your mask, because any high value man can see right through it. Just make sure there’s something to see underneath. Don’t erase your real personality.
– Fathers and mothers produce pheromones around their children. The absence of father pheromones causes increased sexual promiscuity and lower intelligence (during developmental years, energy is put into developing sexual maturity at the expense of developing mental ability). This is a physiological thing that can’t be avoided. Knowing about it can help boys and girls make better decisions.
– Religion doesn’t matter, but spirituality does.
People can be religious and not spiritual. Avoid these people. They’re boring.
People who are not religious and not spiritual are equally boring, but for different reasons. They tend to stagnate as they get older.
People can be spiritual and not religious. These people are usually very high IQ and relatively high value, but risky because they’re unwilling to compromise on their goal.
People who are both spiritual and religious are usually medium-high IQ, equally relatively high value, and less risky.
To test to see if someone is spiritual, ask them if they trust their soul (any introspective answer indicates at least acceptable levels of spirituality).
Spirituality also transcends religion.
– Girls usually start looking for a mate at age 17. Girls’ hips are usually developed enough to be ready for children at age 19 (You can have children before that, but at age 19, girls have usually appear to have “child-bearing hips”).
PS. My bar is higher than everyone else’s, I think. I consider the average person to be of less than adequate sentience.
I’m 29, am starting a private practice of “Chi Gung Tui Na” (similar to Osteopathic Manipulation), and have decided that I’ll need to find a girl like you somehow. I have no idea how. I’m hoping one will just show up as long as I continue pursuing my goals and talk to enough people in the process.
I’ve only just started my private practice, so I haven’t reaped the rewards yet. In a year, I’ll be in your stated strike zone.
I don’t know if you’re in my strike zone, though. If you’re somewhat psychically aware, or have the potential to be, then you are. Otherwise, you’re not.
Good luck. Make your own luck first, but I wish you luck in addition to that.
Good advice; would make a good article.
I nominate this guy, but I think he should consider Catholicism based on my biased view.
There’s a problem that makes everyone lazier than they should be. This same problem also causes everyone to heal slower, learn slower, and be more afraid to communicate.
Please elaborate on this problem.
From what I can tell from my experiments and meditation on the matter, the problem is that cells don’t have enough power in their movement. Meaning that the intracellular and extracellular matrices are unable to pump ions in the way that they used to 50-ish years ago. A lack of ion control means a lack of everything that makes cells function. This results in every cell just being slower.
This is my theory only, and it is a recent theory. Prior to creating this theory, I had no idea what the possible cause could be.
Evidence for the result can be found by talking to any healer that has been working on people for 50 years. All such people that I’ve talked to have noticed this. In addition, the average population thinks and responds slower than it seems like they should, and all of the usual go-to culprits aren’t able to explain this observation (distracted by cell phones, education sucks, media sucks, food sucks, etc). There’s a weird disparity between how intelligent someone is and how they use their intelligence, where everyone is more intelligent than they act.
All entertainment media has also slowed down. I hypothesize that this is because the creators have this problem too.
I have an idea as to the environmental cause. I think it’s because of general electromagnetic radiation, specifically in the microwave ranges (and a little extra on each end). Because of how piezoelectric crystals work (all body fibers are piezoelectric crystals), and because of how capacitors work (the cell membrane is a capacitor and maintains a charge), electromagnetic radiation in the microwave ranges should be able to vibrate cells. This hypothetical vibration should interfere with the motion cells need to perform to pump fluids, and thus ions.
So my idea paints cellphone radiation as the primary culprit, but definitely not the only culprit.
Thank you very much for the detailed reply.
Fairly good advice – plenty of HVM out there besides Osteopathic docs, though, although my experience is most of them were married by 27. Anyone at a company of size with a Director of ( ) job title or higher (except banks – everyone is a VP at a bank) is going to be making *at least* 150k today and likely a lot more. The company I work for has about 90 at that level or higher. Prior firm roughly the same number. Just need to find people like that that are physically fit and single. From my experience, the problem is typically they aren’t single (like myself).
Matt was right.
http://mattforney.com/women-subvert-political-movements/
Here’s some advice fit for my own daughter:
1. Don’t put out. No vaginal, no oral, no anal, no hand-jobs. Any man with sense knows that you don’t try to turn a whore into a housewife. If a man tries to get you to be a whore, he either has no sense, or (more likely, especially if he’s older) he’s simply not that interested in making you a housewife. Physical affection like hand-holding or kissing (not “making out”) is okay, but anything more and you lose respect and lower your value in the eyes of a family-oriented man.
2. Ask people you know AND RESPECT to set you up on dates. If someone is a fuck-up in their own life, they have bad judgment. Look for stable, successful, prudent people you know and ask them for help. Hopefully your parents are prudent and responsible people. Talk to them and explain that you want to find a good man to marry. Your dad might know a good match from work. Your pastor might know of a good man in the congregation you could meet.
3. Play the field (with chastity). Before the Sexual Revolution, young people would go on many dates, often dating more than one person at a time unless they agreed to date someone exclusively. It only sounds promiscuous to many people today because they assume dating and sex have to go together, making it a serious, committed thing. If you take sex out of the equation, dating is pretty innocent. By playing the field (with chastity), you can vet several potential husbands simultaneously. (And if a guy knows you’re serious about your chastity and he knows you’re also going on dates with other guys, he’ll compete to win your heart).
4. Examine what you mean by “wealthy” and consider refocusing your goal on economic stability. Although money can’t buy happiness, it sure does a lot to prevent misery. A man with a stable job that can support a family is wealthy enough to prevent a lot of miseries. Don’t hold out for a millionaire, or someone with a luxurious lifestyle. The focus for you and your would-be husband should be financial stability and meeting the needs of your family. Name-brand cereal, designer clothes, a big TV, and new car are all nice, but they are not essential. Learn to live modestly, learn to value a modest lifestyle, and look for a man who can guarantee that modest lifestyle. Any more money he earns beyond that should be a nice extra, not a requirement. (Also, demanding beyond modesty makes you high-maintenance, which lowers your value to men).
5. While you’re looking for a husband, work to be financially stable. Get a job. Look at community colleges for certifications or two-year degrees in fields with a tangible demand (STEM, maybe accounting). (Also, living with your parents is fine if you’re being productive, as it will help you save money and avoid sexual temptations that can be more easily indulged in the privacy of your own apartment). Advance your career one small, practical step at a time. If you get a two-year degree in something, and you have a job in that field but no husband yet, then you can think about a four-year degree (so long as it’s practical). Stay away from the humanities and soft-sciences, and don’t jump into a four-year program. Also, avoid debt (student loans or credit cards) because it’s a serious liability to a potential husband,
6. Consult people you respect before actually marrying anyone. The people with good judgment in your life can help you filter out the losers. Parents, uncles, and your pastor should be willing to provide honest critiques of a suitor. Too often people, even when asked for advice, will say something like “that’s your choice and I can’t make it for you.” People in your life who won’t tell you how it is, especially regarding something so important as marriage, are cowards. Don’t mistake their non-judgment for an endorsement.
I hope this advice helps, and I wish you all the best with your search for a husband.
I forgot to add this:
Whores can’t cover up the fact that they’re whores. Hopefully you follow my advice and don’t put out (and remember, oral, anal, and hand-jobs count). However, many women lie about how many men they’ve had sex with, and they think they can hide their past from men.
Experienced men get pretty good at spotting whores from a number of subtle physical, emotional, and behavioral traits. (I think there might have been an ROK article on this a while back). While an experienced guy probably can’t figure it out down to an exact number, he’ll have a ballpark sense of how slutty a woman is.
Don’t listen to any woman who tells you that you can be a slut and get away with it. Some women think men are idiots, but that’s because experienced men know the value of keeping their mouths shut. There are women who are sluts, but believe they can convince a man that they’re not. There are a lot of men who are happy to con a con woman, pretending to go along with the “good girl” facade to get a few good lays, only to to dump her when she becomes a hassle or something better comes along.
Absolutely! Regarding the stay out of debt. As a 17yo in 2016, you need to be smart about acquiring undergraduate debt–don’t do it!
That girl’s is a fictional character but we understand the author’s point.
No woman has the agency to resist being a slut even more so when she’s bombarded daily with sexual images and stories. Which is why she needs a man to control her, she can not do it on her own. In the past the responsibility fell on the father who would pass it onto her future husband.
It’s like a ‘papa steer’, leader of a herd of free range cattle. The leader of the herd wouldn’t lead the group to a poison water hole to drink where there are bovine rib bones and skulls laying around.
In places where there’s a bombardment of sexual images and stories, a responsible leading father wouldn’t stop and throw down a beach blanket and decide to have a family picnic.
http://66.media.tumblr.com/6ad0420d69365b8b9b34483aee993893/tumblr_inline_n9ygigxebB1qlcnus.jpg
(this place is also too toxic for family enjoyment. It’s not a good place to have sandwiches and play frisbee with your daughters or sons)
THIS IS YOUR HOUSE in a state that sponsors feminism, where women’s advocate NGO’s and divorce rape industry predators have licenced free reign to live and roam the territory:
http://www.rifuture.org/wp-content/uploads/Burning-House.jpg
This could be your house anywhere in the world if you marry a femicunt. The place becomes too toxic, hazardous and unsurvivable for the traditional family dynamic. Aside from the taxable structures on the parcel of land and even with the chain link fence intact, the actual yard’s real ‘family market value’ also drops significantly. If the yard is no good for family picnics, it’s no good at all. The whole investment depreciates significantly if it’s located in a zone where the public schools are staffed with femicunts and where the local stormtrooper cops aid and abet the local femicunt judiciary in forcibly depatriarching their jurisdiction.
If the area is unsurvivable for a traditional family, then by all accounts the place is worthless until the surrounding area gets cleaned up.
Is that Mike 0bamma in the 1st pic? Those look like tranny hoes.
Hello all, using my mother’s (Practically Perfect’s) account to post this:
I can’t speak to the validity of the letter, but I can understand the sentiments. I myself am relocating for both career and love-life opportunities, since the past few years have been a bust where I was living: I’ve seen first-hand guys that are turned off by a girl who wants to be traditionally feminine and seeks out traditional masculinity. One guy that I have been talking to (we met in college) has been obsessed with making sure things are “equal” whenever we discuss the possibility of a relationship, even though I’ve explained to him why I’m looking at more of a traditional (read: red pill) relationship. It’s disappointing because he has potential, he’s very smart and an accomplished CS major, but he has a hard time describing what his ideal relationship would look like without sounds like a Pintrest board.
I’m moving because I know it will mean a change of my demographic and my community which will help me make the best of the time I have left. As a 24-year-old virgin who was raised red-pill aware, I’m not looking for a “wealthy” man to marry (because honestly, I don’t have what it takes to pull one in), just a competent and capable one around my age, preferably a little older. I’ll definitely be looking at church communities once I’m finally settled in, but I will say that being raised in a church community didn’t help me: even though the senior pastor was conservative, the lay-leaders and small groups were predominantly blue pill, which is where it really counts, since that’s where the main community building takes place.
Regardless, I’ll be in a city with (demographically) more single men and who can (hopefully) demonstrate confidence in their goals and positions.
This girl never mentioned about her parents, particularly her father. Why is this important? It tells her relationship with a man of authority. She mentioned not a word. This tells me she is BS and wrote to get attention. If she was real, she would’ve placed her father above all else.
doubt it
Tell her to read redpillwomen and redpillwives on reddit…this site is great but the rpw sites are so much better for women. Also read the surrendered single (i assume its for single women) and then read the surrendered wife when in a relationship
Let her know @deephazeljay on instagram would love to take her on a date.
If she is a real person, I’d suggest she attend a Mormon college like BYU or BYU-Idaho. BYU accepts non-mormon students all the time. They must agree to live by the religious school’s standard though. It would give her an ability to try the mormon culture and lifestyle without “joining” yet. She would also be exposed to the dating pool, which, is more different than most RoK readers might imagine. For instance, I was a virgin (as was my wife) until after we were married and that is the norm in mormon culture. And mormons tend to marry younger (both men and women) because sex is not an option. Hope that helps someone.
Assuming viviangraves is a real girl asking for advice (God knows how I’d love a real girl genuinely looking for her own personal improvement), the only hint I can add to my colleagues is this: listen to feminist standard “wisdom” and do the opposite. No careerism, no travel to “discover yourself”, no weeping for not be a man… you get the idea
The Costanza Feminism….always do exactly the opposite. I like it.
I gave this exact advice to a chick recently.
I can think of many things to advise this girl but the top advice I can give would be this : no booze, no drugs, no cigarettes, no tattoos, no piercings…and make a commitment only to associate/date men who also are strong willed enough to avoid all the above things as well
1.YES!! NO tattoos, not ANY, no matter HOW SMALL!
2. ONCE piercing per ear in the lobe, that’s it, no more, NONE.
3. NO drugs. They are a huge waste of time, and risky.
4. NO sex until wedding night. Period.
5. READ. A LOT. Varied alt-right, mainstream, left, everything and sort it out later….belivieng little of it.
6. Become Catholic…its still pretty traditional, although it has been infected with SJW and our Pope is a joke…to many…he is a leftist!
Heh, my wife doesn’t even have her earlobes pierced.
Her reason is that it would be an affront and insult to both God and her parents to modify/uglify the body she was given.
I have to say it’s one of the best reasons I have ever heard.
She also sees it as her duty to please me and be a good wife to me, because to her it was God who chose me for her husband.
That’s some solid foundation of belief and tradition right there.
Oh, I should add we are Buddhist/Shinto.
Yeah, I have been talking to my daughter about her future. I agree that RoK is not just for males. Feminism makes everyone miserable; especially women.
My advice: Convert to Catholicism, begin attending your nearest Extraordinary Form Mass, make your opening qualification to ALL men “Are you Catholic or Orthodox?” If they say no, or if they are not practicing Catholic or Orthodox, then you say, “well, we can have a coffee, and I can tell you the things you need to believe in and begin practicing if you want access to me.” Those things should be: no sex until marriage, no contraception within marriage, adherence to the orthodox Christian Faith (small ‘o’), and that he be ready to kill and die for his family and the Cross. To be a true Warrior for Christ, and for her.
Simple really.
Oh, you better be practicing yourself. Good luck.
Yeah, this.
Gentleman, and Roosh especially:
Last time I checked through my window we are not living in a fairyland, so unicorns doesn’t exist. This is the oldest trick in the book, honey trap.
1. She has almost all the requirements Roosh write about his perfect woman, but one detail: she is still UNDERAGE.
2. A lot of female commentators…..since when we have a lot of female commentators here?
The real question is why this plot?
My guess: this is an elaborate plot to buid a case against Roosh for molesting/sex contactwithanunderage/whatever the local regulations says about sexual relationship/contact between adults and children.
She even offers to provide a photo… Potentially illegal.
‘Specially if it’s a beaver shot.
Legal age in my state is 16 and you can marry younger than that (14 or 15). Besides I don’t even think Roosh is in USA. Typically age of consent laws are lower outside of the US. Anyway, any girl younger than 30 would be seen as “creepy” for a guy in his mid/late 30s. No need to resort to a teenager for shaming, if that’s the plan.
My husband is a regular reader here, saw this article, and asked me if I’d comment since my experience more closely resembles Vivian’s desire, than his.
We don’t have daughters (only sons, so far) but he will parent any future daughters in the same manner my father guided me.
Not even close. This is ROOSH’S article. Typical middle eastern sex slaver.
There are a lot of female readers I suspect. I’ve been reading this site for years without a Disqus account and I’ve just not commented. I didn’t have a dog in the game so to speak, but this is a 17yo girl.
I’m not buying into the notion that the email sent to Roosh by this “teenage girl” was legit. It’s too clean. And it’s too well-written. And 17-year-old females are very unlikely to spend their time planning out their futures to the last detail. So I hope Roosh doesn’t accept her invitation regarding sending him a picture…
As an aside, is it just me or does anyone else notice the huge gaps between comments here at ROK. Case in point, a new article will go up, and there will be a flurry of comments. Then there will be a gap of between one to six hours where allegedly nobody makes a new comment on the article – despite the fact that it’s only 3:00 p.m. EST…what, do all ROK readers simultaneously take a one- to six-hour break at the exact same time? (Or are comments being throttled periodically; I think it’s the latter…)
I think that’s a feature of how Disqus handles comments.. they are not always in real time. It’s a huge service, that works on thousands of sites.
Thanks for the heads-up there…
>And 17-year-old females are very unlikely to spend their time planning out their futures to the last detail.
Is that not a thing anymore? When I was a teen girls were already picking out their wedding dress, deciding the color of the nursery, and naming their grandchildren.
Anyone see this?
Daddies, “Dates,” and the Girlfriend Experience: Welcome to the New Prostitution Economy
http://www.vanityfair.com/style/2016/07/welcome-to-the-new-prostitution-economy
Yes.
Regardless of validity its an interesting topic and the serious replies are helpful for any female lurkers and fathers of daughters.
Exactly. If it saves one girl from a wasted life of whoredom, then this whole discussion has been worth it.
I’m a 17 year old girl here learning, so please know that there is one teenage girl on here who is very grateful for all of this valuable information
OK well I would focus on began yourself, but enjoying hobbies like cooking, baking and wholesome activities. Keep away from social media, no selfies, sexting, there will be leer pressure to drink, smoke, take drugs and be sexual but the best thing to do is keep away from people who are involved with these things. Perhaps volunteering in church groups or even a course with children (improving your mothering skills), forget Uni or college, honestly a waste of time and money in this job market. Focus on being happy, healthy, improving your cleaning, cooking, mothering skills, maybe ask your mum if you can help out more and get an idea of what running a household entails: budgeting, having everything organised dinner, laundry, housework ect children/babies are hard work, exhausting even, so learning to cope with demands and having resolve as a mother is important. Learn about food nutrition so you can prepare food for your child that will help them grow healthy and also about child development. Maybe create a Pinterest board so you can collect ideas for recipes, housewife hacks and bits and bobs like that. Work on being a supporting, understanding wife and learn how to make a house a home. Regarding a wealthy husband, try to be humble, respectful and appreciate his efforts, it might be that you have to budget rather than him work 50-60 hours a week then so be it. You might have to be clever and shop wisely to ensure a good standard of living. I would rather have a husband who had balance in his life and wasn’t worked to the bone than have material items I don’t need and when you have children you won’t have the time to use. Regarding a career, you can’t have both. It is as simple as that. Who will drop and pick the children up from school? Make food? You want to be married at 22 and career at 32, so you could have children between the ages of 0-9 years old…all the house work, shopping, cleaning, cooking ect will still need doing as well as a career. As well as being there for your children and husband who need you. What if your children are unwell, or term time holidays? Who will look after them, childcare is expensive… And starting a career at 32 from scratch is going to be difficult as there will be women who have delayed motherhood not to mention men with 10 years experience vs you. Employers are discriminating againist women because of maternity leave and because they have to leave early and get first choice on Christmas/summer holidays much to the distain of other employees. With little experience or skills in employment the jobs you are left with are sometimes truly awful (call centre). By all means have a small part time job you enjoy, maybe set up your own run from home thing that is based on something you are passionate about (mine is bread making), or take up a course or class. But a career with young children at home is going to put immense pressure on you, your husband and your children.
Thank you very much for this advice!
It looks too good to be true, even most of grown up adults are unable to express themselves as clearly when they write a text, so can we expect it from a 17 years old? Well…
Ok, lets play along and assume this is sincere. From the NY Post today…
Women using Tinder to get men to do things for them:
“I wasn’t attracted to him, but he was very forthcoming,” she says. She messaged him, saying she was only looking for someone to come over to install her air conditioner, making it very clear it wasn’t a date.
After he came over, opened her window and set up her AC, she said thank you — and promptly kicked him out. He later messaged her to go on a proper date, but she never replied and doesn’t regret it…
Men are hard-wired to feel strong and be a provider,” she says, noting she’s also used this method to hitch a ride to the Hamptons. “I don’t feel guilty using them for a little help.”
Advice: Resist the urge to use sex advances to get Beta’s, Gammas etc, and Alphas infected with White Knight Syndrome, to do things for you. They see it as an opening move in romance. Sooner or later, you will meet one and feel just obligated enough to lay with him. He will think he is in love.
You will feel disgust of yourself. From the opening move you were a slut, you just waited a while to consummate your sluthood.
Being a slut begins long before you spread your legs. It is a way in which you think about yourself and men.
Roosh, isn’t the answer obvious? Wait a few months and wife her up yourself. I can tell you’ve been looking for a dream girl for some time. Now here’s your chance.
My advice would be keep your legs together, dress well, take care of yourself and have zero friends.
Write dating profile saying you only want a guy for marriage and will ask for bank statements.
…
Profit.
If you don’t want to be a slut, don’t be a slut.
I am a white 34 year old mother of three boys. I married my husband at 18 years old and we’re still going strong. I firmly believe that it has been my willingness to make my family my career that has allowed us to enjoy 16 years of marriage thus far. I had plans for a career but I quickly learned that, in order to have a successful family, I would need to devote a full time effort to the raising of our children as well as to the health and happiness of our marriage. Why is there no mention of building a healthy relationship with her husband? A woman’s job is not finished once the children are a certain age. In order to have a complete and successful family life, a woman must devote time to her own health and appearance, the cleanliness of her home, the cooking of healthy meals, the education of her children (we homeschool), the physical and emotional well-being of her husband, and the development of her mind – as being a successful wife and mother is consistently challenging. If she wants it bad enough, she’ll have to learn to work for it. It’s either home or the world – she can’t have both. If she can learn to accept things for what they are, appreciate what she has, admire the qualities of a good man, pay attention, and learn quickly with humility and grace, she can be successful.
Part of the problems of our modern era are arguably because we, as a community, did not respect your work enough, Mrs. Doyle. Now that I’m 25, I am so grateful for my mother. No one is ever going to write a biography about her, but she raised 4 stable, intelligent kids with good coping skills and she is my dad’s best friend. On behalf of daughters, thank you.
My wife of over 17 years and I mirror just about everything you listed. And the byproduct is a stable, loving family with God at it’s center.
We’ve 2 sons.
Gentlemen, even in the States these conditions can be found. The pushback is happening.
Mrs. Doyle, my hat is off to you. Keep
spreading this positive message.
I would marry the shit out of that girl.
If she existed.
They exist in various circles. However, they are swept up fairly quickly. I married one.
Just to give a little recap here, gentlemen.
* Girl claiming to be the subject of this article created a Disqus account with the handle viviangraves.
* Made several posts claiming that she is authentic, and as advertised.
* Several of us—including reputable columnists for Return of Kings like Corey Savage, Donovan Sharpe, Luke Stranahan, and myself—pretty much called bullshit on this whole thing.
* She vehemently denies all the naysayers; claims to be genuine.
* Article subject claims I’m one of her favorite writers here.
* I propose she emails me a picture of herself holding a sign that says “AV8R ROK”; this is to establish that the person in question is not using fake photos of any kind that might escape a Google reverse image search.
* I ask for nothing provocative or inappropriate—a simple “G” rated picture was all that was needed to establish this individual’s legitimacy. I did not request—nor did I want—anything perverted of any sort (this is/was a self-proclaimed minor at 17 years old, after all).
* I also said I would pose some followup questions to further establish credibility.
* I assure that all correspondence—including photos and/or any personal information—would remain confidential. I was sincere, and would have completely respected this person’s privacy.
* This individual has now deleted their Disqus account, and there is no trace of her comments remaining.
* My email inbox has nothing from this person, and, from the looks of it, things will remain that way.
Conclusion: FRAUD.
Moving on.
Either she got scared or she was some feminist plotting to stirr shit in the comments section to paint us in a bad image! As can be seen, the comments are normal even by pc standards.
probably a toronto or jizzebel troll
Vivian may be fake but not all your commentators are frauds. As the mother of an earlier comment I can attest that there are some young women out there. The manosphere has been around long enough to see the beginnings of young red pill women emege.
She is young, she could have got spooked and deleted her account.
women especially really young ones shouldn’t really be reading these articles anyway
Duuuuuhhhhh.
yep figured from my first read of it the estimation of her lifespan being 90 is something u will never hear from any gril
Mormons are cult members and we, as a society need to stop pretending otherwise.
Stay away from any feminist shit.
“wealthy man” Shame, i’m not wealthy but i do concider myself a good man, but i understand why, i wish her well.
If she is honest, then it is rather simple.
Aiming for the top and choosing to find an Alpha provider with Game will be tough, since many Alphas with Game now chase pussy until their late 30s or 40s.
She either has to pick a religious one or someone who might demand threesomes since he wants to fuck other girls in his life still.
If she accepts that, then it should not be too difficult to find a man.
She should simply look for men either online or go where well-off men frequent. Dress sexy, girly-like, but not slutty and make it clear from the beginning that you are looking for a husband.
If she cannot find the elusive Alpha, then I would recommend finding an attractive Beta with potential and give him the books by Rollo Tomassi Rational Male and also point him this way. It is rather more likely to find a Beta and help him find his Alpha-ness – way more men can re-kindle their natural Alpha state (Alpha to her Beta – not necesserily a lady-killer Alpha) with some help.
As far as she is concerned – I would be blunt from the beginning that she is actually truly looking for the man of her life and does not want to play games. Most men will not believe her – especially Red Pill men, but they can be convinced.
Over the years I’ve seen quite a few sphere post about this topic, the advice has always and remains the same. What the real question is is how does one red pill find the other without community.
Redpilldating.com?
Like my colleague, Mr. A V Yader, below has said, I have my doubts about the validity of the request and the situation.
I’m a 36 year old single engineer with good interests and health and secondary income. I would not be interested in this lady for a couple reasons. The age gape is too big. Like any aspiring alpha, I am looking for ten years younger, but not 20.
I have no interest in a career woman. While I want the woman I pursue, date, and marry to be gainfully employed, I want it to be at a job that is good, but not rockstar. I want the dental hygienist, not the dentist; the nurse; not the doctor. I want her career to be something for her to do during the day before she has kids, and something that will provide some extra cash for us. Ideally, her job will be able to fluctuate between part and full time in case we need her to take care of other stuff on a given day. When kids happen, I expect her to be a full time mom until preschool begins.
This lady is incorrect. You CANNOT be a good wife/mother AND have a man’s power career. It doesn’t matter what order it’s done in. Her specific argument of kids first then career is flawed for two reasons; first, she won’t get hired very well, and second, she will be neglecting her family then. If you want a power career as a woman, you have three choices: Be single forever and do it; marry a simp who will be a stay at home dad, marry a normal man and wreck your marriage. Nowhere in those choices is to have a power career and a traditional marriage.
@ only 17 years old I don’t think the “gape” would be that big
The feminist movement, coupled with social media, has created a generation of self-centered, egotistical whores. This is no secret. But what is a guy to do?
Gentlemen, we need to revisit the traditional dating practices of generations past. Not the beta female worship standards of the 70’s to present, but before then.
1) No sex prior to marriage. If she wants to be a slut, she is not worth your time or mental anxiety. With sex comes emotional baggage, unless you become detached and develop a “pump them and dump them” attitude. Women develop the 1000 cock stare and become cold, calculating, and heartless. If you do so, any decent girl will respect your self control and will become more respectable herself. Women will marry younger because they want your cock. You see that in Mormon communities.
2) Dates are just dates, take women out, lots of them. Betas have it wrong in that they become so emotionally attached to a certain woman that she will lose any respect for them. After all, it is impossible to respect someone who kisses your ass.
3) Guy asks girl and maintains control of the date. It should not be a lavish show of how much you are willing to spend, but an enjoyable interview process where you see if they are marriage material. Take a walk in the park, have picnics, have them make you dinner, do community service (see if her money is where her mouth is), go on a fairly strenuous hike (see if she is a whiner).
4) Make sure dates are dates, and not “hanging out”. If sex is out of the equation, it is easy to be friend zoned if you are not careful. Hanging out with mutual friends is fine, but when on a date, exercise gentlemanly behavior that she knows it is courtship.
5) After dating several times and you feel like dating exclusively, talk to her and agree that is what you are doing. Expect the same from her. This is the point that either you move on, or become beta material if she doesn’t want it. Better to move on.
6) Meet the parents and ask the dad for her hand in marriage prior to giving her the ring. They will be your in-laws, it is best to start on the right foot. That, and you will be able to find out things about her that you may not have otherwise.
7) Keep weddings simple. If she becomes demanding and wants a lavish ceremony, serious red flags.