The Sexes

What To Do If Your Wife Is Cheating On You

319 Comments

The dreaded moment becomes reality. You come home early from work, much to your wife’s surprise. You quietly walk in to surprise her as you’re going to take her out for pizza, only to hear noises come from the bedroom. She’s moaning. It couldn’t be. Something has got to be wrong. You take off your tie, place it on the counter, then walk down the hallway to your bedroom. The moaning gets louder as you approach the door. Then you walk in, only to find another man pumping the shit out of her. The guy jumps off her in a daze and they both cover up.

“This isn’t what it looks like!”

What do you do? Double homicide? Beat the fuck out of both of them? Quietly slink away down the hallway? Burst into tears like a bitch? Okay, maybe this example is a bit extreme. But one way or the other many men find out their wife is having an affair during the course of their marriage one way or the other. Realize women are VERY good at keeping their cuckoldry hidden. Dr. David Holmes, a psychologist reveals:

The biggest difference is that women are much better at keeping their affairs secret. If you look at the studies into paternity, even conservative figures show that between 8% and 15% of children haven’t been fathered by the man who thinks he’s the biological parent.

That’s a lot of men—millions—being cucked into paying for other men’s children. (Just imagine how many times women have affairs if that many women lie about who the real daddy is!) Yet, we hear nothing from politicians and the legal system about “fixing” this enormous problem, i.e. with paternity fraud criminal and civil charges.

To illustrate how one-sided Anglo American culture is becoming, ABC (unaffectionately referred to as Always Bolshevik Communism) ran a report defending women’s infidelity as some sort of harmless sexual adventurism. Just listen this gem of an excuse from a woman who had an affair, from a report featuring hot to trot wives who look up flings on the internet.

I was feeling very lonely one night,” Katherine said. “I was bored, on my phone in the parking lot, sitting in my car, pulled up AshleyMadison, and decided to open my first profile to see what would happen.

Next then you know, she trips, falls and lands on some guy’s erect penis. What are the chances?! “Oh well, while it’s in might as well enjoy myself.” The female capacity to lie has no bounds. Some men literally have to walk in on a sordid scene like the one detailed above in order to be clued in about the realities of female infidelity.

For others, maybe the gossipy neighbor clues them in. Maybe you see sexual text messages on her phone or Fakebook account. But, you know she’s having an affair. What do you do? It all depends on what kind of outcome you are looking for. Just know you are not the first man and definitely won’t be the last this happens to.

Gather Evidence

Get a lawyer and gather evidence if it will help you in court

Get a lawyer and gather evidence if it will help you in court

If you live in a state where fault can be found in a divorce, fault that may save many of your assets from the divorce court meat grinder, by all means GATHER EVIDENCE. If the affair is ongoing, and you have a cool and aloof enough personality, use your rage to talk to an attorney and get his recommendation on how to build an airtight case. However, DivorceInfo lays out the craptasticness of the legal system in most states:

Increasingly, states shift toward disregarding marital misconduct by either spouse, focusing instead on a dispassionate analysis of what each party needs and what each party can afford, or fairly rigid application of defined guidelines.

In other words, you will be paying no matter what she does. As Charles Dickens wrote, the law is an ass. Unfortunately, in most states men are seen as little more than walking ATM machines, and poor little women can’t do anything wrong. At least, in the eyes of the injustice system they can’t. So, evidence may or may not help you. There’s always another alternative.

Leave Her Ass

Don't listen to any of her bull, just leave

Don’t listen to any of her bull, just leave

Be the bold motherfucker that has balls enough to simply walk off and leave the bitch. And most importantly – don’t come back to her! Ever! Women are gifted with the innate ability to deceive men, and men are hardwired to believe the lies. Some of the cruelest jokes I’ve ever heard have come from predatory females who have just taken their discarded Beta male husbands for an expensive ride.

If she’s cheating, don’t listen to her excuses, especially the tired old gnome “I was bored” or “I wasn’t happy” or “You don’t treat me like you used to.” Would these excuses work if you told them to her? Hell no, they wouldn’t. Don’t let women play on your sense of emotion or sense of duty.

Even if you are married and think you can trust your wife, never let your guard down and be prepared for all circumstances, including the possibility of an affair. Have money stashed away somewhere, and a plan ready to spring into action in a moment’s notice if the inevitable happens.

In the office space where I worked I saw women turn into total sluts around certain men when their hubbies were away. These clueless men must have believed their precious wife wouldn’t ever cheat on them. In one memorable case, some buddies of mine and I saw a blonde coworker constantly orbiting this tall black guy. It was so insidious that those of us who were paying attention (and who had a modicum of Red Pill knowledge) secretly called them a “couple” even though she was married. It was painfully obvious the black guy was wearing it out while her hubby, the Beta white boy professional was out working to pay for her expensive lifestyle.

There are things a man sees in his life he can never forget when it comes to women and how naturally gifted they are at deception.

Don’t Get Married in the First Place

Avoid having a figurative trap close around your ankles

Avoid having a figurative trap close around your ankles

Save yourself the trouble in the first place and just don’t get married, especially in a society with legal guillotines hanging over your throat. Think slavery ended after the Civil War? Slavery still exists in the family court system. Men are regularly saddled with lifetime alimony payments and a generation’s worth of child support, under threat of imprisonment if they don’t pay up. This legal chicanery was foisted upon men for two reasons—it is intended to break up the nuclear family, and it has led to enormous profits for lawyers and private investigators.

As long as men are throwing their bargaining chip—commitment—around like it is worthless, women will continue to rake hapless Beta males over the hot coals. Whenever I see photos of most Beta males with their smiling wives, the men have the “I’m getting fucked and don’t know what to do stare.” Don’t be the poor bastard that ends up with that stare.

Until the legal code is lit afire and begun anew, perhaps the worst advice there is is to get married. Once the deal is sealed, most men will notice a complete and total change in personality among their wives as they know they have you by the ball sack. Even the best game players among us will be altered by this master-slave legal relationship. It messes with a man’s psychology, and most importantly it has the potential to devastate his finances.

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Read More: 10 Best and Worst Countries for a Man to Find a Wife

319 thoughts on “What To Do If Your Wife Is Cheating On You”

  1. 1. Don’t be mad at the guy, if he isn’t a friend, or does not know you. Most times sluts don’t tell that she is in a relationship.
    That guy just wanted to bust a nut.
    2. Leave her ass immediatly.
    3. If you married her, I have no pity for you stupid fool.

    1. See your wife or girlfriend getting fucked, smile, snap a photo with your phone and walk away as if it was an explosion in an action film. Smile and know you won. You are now free

      2. That is why I think you are the best poster on here, lolknee… Very eloquently stated and I couldn’t agree more!

      3. Good advice for a girlfriend, bad advice for a wife. One has no claim on your assets, the other one owns your ass.

        1. I’ll be the first to admit that I have no advice for wives other than don’t have one. However, I imagine her getting some dick in a photo would help with the legal case. Though, again, maybe not. I am just assuming

        3. HA! If something like that happened to me, I’d quit my job, sell the house (if I owned one), deplete the bank account and leave the country, never to return. I wouldn’t even divorce the bitch. I would just let her wonder where the fuck am I gone.
          Of course, I would send proof of her infidelity to all her relatives as well as mine so that they knew exactly what’s going on.

        4. That might work. But are you really prepared to permanently cut all ties to the US? Another guy successfully did that for 20 years but got caught when he snuck back in to visit some relatives.

        5. Smarter would be to figure out how to legally keep your assets completely put of government hands so this doesnt even become an issue. You would probably also want to have a second passport and assets in multiple locations out of the country.
          You also should know te family court situation in your state. Who are the judges, how far they can go, etc. Judges have a lot more power to fuck up your life than anyone realizes.

      4. You are certainly the ROK in house nihilist, not that we all aren’t a bit here in terms of ability to trust women

      7. Always gather evidence, even if it isn’t likely to help in the divorce court. It can’t hurt to have it later and she’ll always be concerned about her reputation.

    2. No. No. NO. You can not let him off the hook. Don’t be a mook. He knew. Of course he knew. An ass-beatin’ is called for at the least. THEN kick her out.

      1. This. Most of the time, the “guy” knows or at least suspects. Unless it was an one-night-stand, he should have become suspicious of her behaviour after a while, even if she told him she was single.

      2. Even if he did know that she has a girlfriend, I wouldn’t care. If he is not a friend of you.
        It was your slutty girlfriends job to tell him to fuck off.

        2. Exactly, I wouldn’t care if a girl who wants my D if she has a boyfriend, as long as he is not a friend of mine.
          If she’s a slut and wants another dick, she will get another dick. If I refuse, the next guy will bang her.

        5. Play carefully. If you do that enough you’ll eventually come upon a man whom doesn’t agree with you and is man enough to open up the proverbial can of whoop ass on you. In that situation, you own philosophy regarding the ethics of this won’t matter.

      3. I only care if the boyfriend/husband is a fellow veteran, a friend, or especially, currently deployed overseas.
        If a dependa with a deployed husband tries to hook up, get her name, look up her facebook, and tell her husband. Post that shit to the unit FRG. Her naked selfies will be forever added to the deployment Wall of Shame.

      4. fuck no. Don’t even be that passionate about it. If you catch some guy balls deep in your whore be fucking glad because now you can walk away. You were the one who was trying to wife up a whore. He was the one just fucking a whore. Which of you two was in the right? Don’t look now pal, but it wasn’t you. Ya know?

      5. Not smart to beat up the other guy, at least if you’re in a western country where that kind of thing can easily land you in jail. Just walk away, go on with your life, and work on becoming the kind of guy who understands women and how they work. No use getting into massive legal trouble.

        1. Depends on goal. You want less cheating, make it the new court precedent to assume temporary insanity for men whom murder.their cheating spouses and the cheating spouses partners. Now, instead of men getting consent forms verifying the girl wants to have sex, they’ll be demanding to see the women’s left hand, her purse and jewelry box looking for that ring and men would be much more careful of who they fuck.

        2. Well, you can always move to the middle east Josh. I think instead of sharia, we should probably just not marry sluts. Let them deteriorate into spinsters.

        3. You’re a dumbass. What a stupid suggestion, really. Ilike I would consider moving to the middle east just because I suggested threat of death would prevent cheating. Besides, Islam is hardly the only religion in the history of religion to stone adulterers. You act like if I want to do that, Islam is my only choice. In fact, if I want something in the world, why wouldn’t I just try to change my area of the world as opposed to moving to the other side of the world.
          Beyond that though, I don’t seriously want to kill anybody. I was just pointing out that it would probably be effective. I’d be much more in favor of society simply stigmatizing women cheating again. In fact, we should stigmatize marrying non-virgins. But guess what, that’s similar to Sharia as well. Boo hoo, I guess you should move to the middle east as well. The west sure as hell doesn’t promote your sexist ideas of not marrying sluts.
          Back to where we have common ground. Since the worst punishment for most women is embarrassment and shame, stigmatizing non-virgin status at marriage and female promiscuity might be even more effective than the death penalty in preventing adultery. This is similar to what you suggest. The problem is, you’re never going to get lonely white knights to not marry sluts. You’ll have to get society to stigmatize it first so those pathetic wannabe sheeple losers realize they can’t marry a non-virgin and ever be able to look another man in the eye’s again.

    3. A man should not fuck married women. A man who do this is an idiot who, at best, have low moral standards.
      It is not his responsability the lack of loyalty of other guy’s wife, she is the only to blame for his own lack of moral standards and commitment. I will not, by any means, remove the fault of this bitch.
      But your own moral is your responsability. By default, a man should respect other’s men territory, which includes his house, his property, and his wife.
      Don’t cheat. Don’t take part in other person’s cheatings. Don’t take part in the destruction of other person’s families.
      If you do this, you’re an idiot who deserves a punch in the face and worse.
      However, if the guy did not know that the woman was married, then he’s not to blame.

      1. It is okay to knowingly fuck a married woman if you immediately present the evidence to the husband after. You are doing him a service. If it wasn’t you it would be someone else who would not have told him.

        1. That would be true about a girlfriend, not about a wife. Again, you cannot jist up and walk away from a wife.

        2. Most men wouldn’t be so welcoming to receive a text or friendly note from another man who pounded his wife. On paper it seems like a good idea, but in reality, a man would likely get irrationally jealous and vindictive. Due to social conditioning, he would probably view his wife as an innocent angel, blaming the guy instead of blaming his slut wife.

        3. You have a point, if you’re willing to take the risk of being shot to death. Most men will not be in a good mood when they see their wives with other guy. So I doubt that a guy who is willing to consciously fuck a married woman will do this with the intention of help her husband, because he knows that this is dangerous, and because in fact this kind of guy does not care with her husband, nor wife, nor the consequences of what he does.
          But lets pretend that this guy indeed care about this poor husband. If he is really doing this to help the husband, he don’t need to go to the finals with the wife. Knowing that she is married, he can just play with her enough to take evidence that she would commit adultery, then you show this to the husband.

    4. idk. if the guy was in my house theres a pretty good chance he wouldnt be leaving, consequences be damned. of course legally you have a much better plan

  2. Right on point with this article – and then some. So here’s a big, fat, red pill that adds a glaring layer to what Relampago had to say here. I used to get rides from this black cab driver in Portland, Oregon. He took to hanging out at this upscale hotel, just waiting around in the parking lot. Why? Because scores of white, married businesswomen would stay at the hotel.
    They would boldly walk up to his cab and get in, and proposition him for sex – no strings attached. He said he banged them at his apartment usually. Sometimes in the cab. Very rarely in their hotel rooms, because they didn’t want to be seen with him. He told me some of them insisted on anal sex only, as in their minds, that wasn’t cheating. Most of them would show him pictures of their families (husbands and kids), on the ride to his place. I thought he was telling tall tales at first, but after many weeks of having him drive me here and there, due to all the details he described, I finally realized he was telling the truth. Women singled him out mostly because of the Myth of the Big Black Dick. This guy was overweight, middle-aged, and totally non-descript.
    Yes, married women cheat like you and I order pizza. They don’t think of it as cheating, they think of it as their god-given right as empowered (and totally unaccountable) Western female cock-holsters. Bitches and cab drivers – the perfect setup. Nobody knows. No planning. And no evidence…unless somebody she knows sees her going into the cab driver’s apartment, which is very unlikely, since she is out of town. Married women scheme on extramarital sex the way alcoholics scheme on stashing away hidden booze bottles…

    1. It’s not just American or White women who cheat. I was involved in an affair (well, it was an affair for her) with a married Chinese woman 5 years my senior for almost 2 years.
      So I have experience being “the other man.” For some, an affair may start out as just sex but the people do develop feelings for each other and do fall in love.
      Women who travel a lot will use it as an opportunity to cheat. This girl attended academic conferences and stayed in hotels far from hubby’s eyes. So be wary if your girl travels a lot for work. A girl who travels has much more of an opportunity to cheat than does a woman who is stuck in the same city.

      2. Being the other man really provided an inside look at how women cheat, the tricks they use: requesting non-itemized receipts for lunches and dinners, traveling frequently for work, carrying condoms in their purse (not something a woman who intends to have sex with just her husband will do), not allowing you to call them (they can call you but you can’t call them).

        1. That would definitely give you a Ph.D. on the subject…which proves we pay for our education one way or another.

    2. Reading all this kinda makes me wonder whether we don’t have it wrong in the first place. What if commitment is the bullshit ideology, not the other way around? Never seems to work out in the long run, always seems to bring a lot of pain.

      1. The older I get, my friend, the more I think you are dead right. What if it’s all a match made in hell (literally), and we’re hardwired to dash ourselves on the rocks of sirens. At least until we wake up…

        2. That’s a whole different deal, I think. Men cheat, sure. But not like you and I watch a movie or blow our noses. Sex means nothing to women. Unless they are hamming it up for some alpha provider with money. Then they really take the lid off – “Oh, you’re a CHAMPION…oh my god you’re the best I EVER HAD”, etc.

        6. He must be an alpha. He’s waiting a little bit at the edge of the cliff, before following his buddies…
          “What if I told you that you were hardwired to chase a creature, Neo…a creature of great beauty and magnetism who was every man’s desire…a creature you thought you simply had to have in order to be fully content in this life…a creature you dreamed about procreating with, raising children with, and winning her love…a creature that was ultimately designed to destroy you…while binding you to this existence, so that you might be reborn, and destroyed, over and over and over again…”
          – Morpheus in “The Matrix” (well he didn’t say that, but maybe he will in “The Matrix – Part 17: Neo Goes Full-blown Red Pill”…)

      3. I think commitment, in the form of marriage, has always been a way to keep people (men mostly) under control. If they’re tied down through marriage, there’s no time or energy for causing trouble. Marriage, usually of the same-sex variety, has recently been described as a “right,” but I don’t think anyone thought of it in those terms until recently. It’s always been institutionalized social control.

      4. marriages only worked in a god fearing community or in a setting where it’s a promise of uniting two tribes or kingdoms together, breaking that covenant by adultery or abuse caused wars and riots between the parties, women would panic and prefer the quiet way it was so they avoided causing trouble that time
        of course lots of women like watching these movies of the olden days where that bold woman that found another man they loved and didn’t want to get that arranged marriage even if it means the two parties would kill each other until nobody was left standing

    3. “Women singled him out mostly because of the Myth of the Big Black Dick. This guy was overweight, middle-aged, and totally non-descript”
      But did the dude have a big black meat horn?

      1. I don’t know. I don’t think it matters to women, they are so brainwashed they do whatever they are programmed to think is “trendy”. (But yeah he probably had a humongous rhythm stick…)

        1. “I don’t know. I don’t think it matters to women, they are so brainwashed they do whatever they are programmed to think is trendy”
          Good point. I think when supermodels started going after men of color, well this started it – and women being lemmings, do what the models do – domino effect.

        2. I guess theres nothing worse than being a black guy with a small dick.
          Everyone has huge expectations that you have a big dick. Then the disappointment.

        3. Absolutely. High-level programming via the media. Monkey see, monkey do. (Couldn’t resist that last part…)

        5. See the monkey…do the monkey. Mount and do. Mountain Dew. Remember that Mountain Dew Kickstart, puppy/baby/monkey commercial that aired for the first time during the Stupor Bowl last year. Might be some seriously under-the-radar programming going on there, aimed at women and men…either that or it was a “coincidence” placed in an uber-expensive advertisement seen by hundreds of millions. You decide.

        6. Exactly. Imagine the shame. Psychological warfare, coming at us all, 24/7, from the idiot box and the computer…

        8. Yeah but I what I really want to get is some of that Western, empowered, tatted-up poontang more than anything else. Get me a blue-haired hose bag with pierced nipples and three kids by three baby daddy, and have us a passel of chilluns. Get me some gubmint cheese. Forty acres and a mule. Burp.

        9. I don’t know about the rest of it, but one could get the mule in Germany, they have legal bestiality brothels there…

        10. The funny thing is as these girl to that to themselves. They think they are looking good. No you’re just hanging an I’m a whore sign on yourself

        11. The least successful kind of man I met in Japan (that attempted to play the game, at least) was the beta black-man. The best was the Alpha-black.

        12. We need men who will stand up to defend guys with small dicks. Unfortunately guys are afraid to since that will make people think the advocate is insecure about their size, jealous, etc.
          We red leaders who DGAF and defend the smalldicked anyway. Who boycott women who shame men over dick size.
          I mean if you think about it… Size chasers are probably all stretched out and untight so it is a good idea to preselect against them.
          Foster the image you have a small penis. Then only tight/shallow cunts will seek you out because they want that to avoid pain.

  3. Even if you are married and think you can trust your wife, never let your guard down and be prepared for all circumstances, including the possibility of an affair, false claims against you and the inevitable divorce rape.
    “Have money stashed away somewhere, and a plan ready to spring into action in a moment’s notice if the inconceivable happens”
    This!!!
    I’d also add fight like a lion we see what happens to those that bow down to this system.
    A man should always be prepared for the “what if?” scenario’s.
    I’ve seen seemingly decent women go south fast. Once they do, their minds can justify anything. They have little problem with living off your dime while fucking some other guy etc
    Here are some real life examples I’ve heard/seen in the last few years. A sort of “Whores Gone Bad” compilation:
    1) Boyfriend of the cheating slut moves in into the home while the husband lives in basement. WTF? she was a proud whore from what I was told.
    2) Met a mutal client of mine at my buddy’s Christmas Party. Wife had just thrown him out of the house and wouldn’t let him see his two young children. Reason: Becasue “she felt like it.”
    My buddy invited him because this was the only Christmas he was getting that year. He is a quiet gentlemen. A decent guy we see where that gets you.
    3) Client of mine had lost his beautiful house,kids for a time, moved into shit hole slaved away for two years , fixed it up to move into moderately better shithole still half the size of original house. The wife has done nothing and got a big house for it. She still tries to use children to manipulate and control him.
    He can’t figure that one out since she divorced him>>??
    4) My cousin married this dumb whore years ago and had two children. This bitch never worked eventually, cheated on him with some bad boy and was texting him about it and boasting how bad boy was a better man..
    Good news is the bad boy beat the shit out of her, broke her nose, I wonder why?, so that one had a happy ending.
    All institutions encourage women to do these things boys.
    So be prepared..

    1. only way u can make a marriage work is that u create an actual contract stamped and noticed by law, all the conditions must be met by your spouse otherwise u have all the right to divorce with no alimony or repercussions, also make sure much of those conditions can easily be supported by evidence u have
      overall i think keeping a hand on your camera and voice recorder at all times with your life partner is far too tedious to live for why go through all that trouble anyway screw marriages, many men that dream of marriage is imagining a lalala land where everything is perfect, some kind of fantasy

  4. im really interested in the new game that roosh has said hes developing i believe he mentioned it in one of his 2016 Q&A’s there are some of us who Are interested in having a family not me tho i am only 20 and i wont be getting into a LTR im my 20’s but for the men who are i think they would be bery interested in roosh’s “relationship game” as he called it

  5. Ii have to say that despite the handful of hapoy stories people might tell you, anyone who gets married or procreates now is totally fucking insane. Period. Done.

    1. Agreed…..when enough of the strong independent women are stuck with their cats and a freezer full of Ben n Jerry’s they just might realise female liberation was for naught……

      1. Maybe they will maybe not. They probably should have. However, for the most part, fem lib has been great for me. So if they want to ruin their lives and futures to make me happy then I say I’m all for it

        1. True, I’ve taken advantage numerous times of the female liberation lie. Eventually though I’ve found the resulting conquests satisfying yet empty….

    2. Yup. But even in RoK’s Comment Section you see guys claiming that they’ve found their “unicorn” and married her.
      Stupid cucks.

      1. I got no judgement for them. If they are happy great. I find it hard to believe that more than 1 in 10 are happier than they would be alone but again, it doesn’t effect me so as they wish.
        For my part though: yeah, I’m with you

        3. Depending on the state that might not confer much benefit. Where I live the only prenup that will pass muster is one for disposition of premarital assets. But the default is already that premarital assets go to the spouse that brought them, so you’re pretty much wasting your time.

      2. “Yup. But even in RoK’s Comment Section you see guys claiming that they’ve found their “unicorn” and married her.”
        I commented on a similar topic on ROK. Indeed I do believe there is the extremely rare lucky guy who does find his unicorn and is happily married. But what annoys me to no great end is how these guys who were lucky are advocating that all men go out and get married. They have no clue that they were very, very fortunate, and nothing more. Essentially what he is doing is saying “I won the lottery, and so can you” which is the soundbyte spewed by, and intended for idiots.

      3. Well, part of it is using classic human rationalization as a defense mechanism. And the other part is indeed where they got the dice roll they wanted. Can’t really fault them though. Most people want to believe.

  6. “To illustrate how one-sided Anglo American culture is becoming, ABC (unaffectionately referred to as Always Bolshevik Communism) ran a report defending women’s infidelity as some sort of harmless sexual adventurism. ”
    Author, do you have a link to this report?

  8. I had commented on another article that I hoped David Garrett Brown got paid well (if he gets paid at all) for all the articles he writes for ROK.
    I’m gonna have to add you to that too, RF. It seems like you’re averaging an article a day, if not more.

  9. If your wife is cheating on you, gather the evidence. Show her the evidence, as she is about to say something, grab her, forcefully lay her face and body facing down the bed. While holding her arms with one hand tightly. She would be struggling, but hold her down. Pull down her pants, skirt, whatever. Now remove your belt or use your hand and start spanking her really really hard. Never on her face nor any other part of her body. Dont mess up her beauty.Do not ever hit a woman like you would another man. You are spanking her butt really hard. Make sure you are not doing this while the kids are around. Beat her butt until everything is red, and she is crying or swaeting like a pig. Now let go of her arms that you were holding. Tell her that you are off to go have a beer with your buddies, and that you wouldn’t like to see her in your house when you get back. Bro, she wont call the cops. You disciplined what was once yours that you dont want anymore. Psychologically, she would be incredibly confused about what just happened to her. She cant tell her girlfriends. She cant tell anybody. It is totally embarrassing. You didnt rape her, you didnt hit her face, you spanked the bujesus out of her. That’s what a man would do.

    1. This would probably end up her screaming and crying, after you go to drink your beer, she will call the cops and use the neigbors who heard her screams as evidence that you are violent.
      Not a good idea.

      1. If you’re the kind of guy that has a beer with your buddies, this may not work for you.
        you are off to go have a bear with your buddies
        However, the guy that has a bear with his buddies is another matter entirely.

        2. Depending on the definition of ‘have’.
          Ugh, now that I reload, that joke worked much better before the original post was edited. It did say bear at one point. 😉

      2. Have you ever heard that a woman called the cops on her husband because he spanked her? dont be a wuss.women are like children. She will understand. Besides, you already showed her evidence of her cheating. Which had her in a shocking mode. While you spanked her. Psychologically. You have phucked her up.

        1. Yes, of course I’ve heard women calling the cops because her husband spanked her. You forget how crazy women are. Some even hit themselves and call the cops. Just last week there was a case where the CCTV captured a woman who beat herself and called the cops afterwards.
          Why would you even take this risk, like for what? Just leave her ass and go.

        2. I would only call the police on my husband if he beat me like I was a man. We have agreed that spanking works well.

        3. A woman will never respect you if you never show a little aggression. Religious people fear their gods, cause he appears to be very aggressive and loving at the same time.

        4. Do you have any idea how easy it is for a woman to put you in jail? This advice is crazy.
          If you discover you wife is cheating on you, just go. The marriage is over, so you may as well sever any emotional ties before doing something stupid instead of after.

      3. “Not a good idea”
        Agreed. The guy that posted that is probably an sjw troll looking to cause trouble.

        1. 1) He’s telling us how men should act in a situation that’s MAYBE grey area at best… but more likely not
          2) He’s encouraging us to partake in activities that would probably be interpreted as criminal in the eyes of a court of law (there are judges out there that think YELLING at a woman equals emotional distress)
          3) His enthusiasm is quite high for this.
          I agree, he’s most likely a troll whose purpose is to illicit posts that agree with this one… which he can then take back as “evidence” for his fellow SJWs.
          The online equivalent of a leftist infiltrator at a Trump rally.

        2. Have you ever googled Clint Eastwood’s face? thats how i look at people like you. The betarism in the comment section of this site is incredibly saddening.

        3. The only reason why a woman would ever cheat on you is because you’ve never appeared as a man to her. Your comment proves so. I didnt comment on this article to recieve a backlash. My comment was based on experience.

        4. Not true.
          It could be one of the reasons. But not exclusively so.
          And yes, experience & nuanced observation drives my reason here.

        5. “The online equivalent of a leftist infiltrator at a Trump rally.”
          Was thinking the same thing.

        7. The best predictor of a woman’s future is the woman’s past. If she had lots of sexual partners before marriage, if she cheated on past boyfriends or ex husbands then she is more likely to cheat than a woman who was a virgin on her wedding night. These are facts that can be proven. Whether or not you exhibited Alpha behavior or Beta behavior towards your whore wife will not matter, the fact that she was a whore before you put a ring on it is a better gauge as to her future behavior as a wife. That’s why you should not date whores and never marry one. It’s pretty much the point of every article on ROK.

        9. Bullshit. A lapsed Alpha might have appeared as a man to her for ten years then get fat and soon as she dries up she will cheat.

    4. That’s horrible advice for the following reasons:
      1. She might actually go to the cops with that, what will you do then?
      2. Even if she doesn’t she can still sue you for that… which itself is just as bad as jail.
      3. If the above doesn’t happen, she’ll probably use that as justification for inviting a bunch of black guys over while you’re gone to run train.
      Your post has SJW implant written all over it…

    5. the result will be – she will be cheating every day and make sure as hell you’re aware of it.

      1. So you are saying you would stay with a woman who cheats on you. Which makes you a beta mangina.

        4. You are the troll. Why respond to a comment i made on an article i read? Psychologically sedated fool.

        5. “the result will be – she will be cheating every day and make sure as hell you’re aware of it.”
          So you’d stay with her ? That’s what he’s asking.

    6. This is the principle behind a Domestic Discipline marriage.
      I get spanked every time I am disrespectful to my husband or I am not adhering to the rules he has set. He doesn’t use a belt. Just his hand.
      It hurts and it’s humiliating but it keeps me in line.

    7. I have done that few times and she never called the cops.
      What you have to bear in mind though is that is you do it too regularly she might start getting sexually excited from the spanking and might cheat on you in order to get spanked.

  11. Not getting married is the most important advice here.
    A man has to be able to ditch a bitch without owing her anything at all, period.
    If you really really trust and “love” her and think “she’d never do anything to hurt me”, you’re a fool and you have no understanding of the way a woman’s mind functions.
    Marriage is unfair because it removes your ability to kick her to the curb if that’s what she deserves (and I don’t just mean if she cheats- I’m talking about bad behavior in general). When you lose your ability to do that, she has free rein to disrespect you and there is nothing you can do about it. You have castrated yourself, because you have lost your ability to be in charge of the relationship and that is a huge part of what being a man is about.
    Also be wary of shaming tactics to pressure you into marriage, like “I don’t want to just be somebody’s girlfriend forever”. The correct answer is always and will always be, “the door is right there.” The rule HAS to be: if she is on her best behavior, she gets to stay. Otherwise, she doesn’t. It has to be as simple as that. Being married takes away that option.

    1. It becomes more and more apparent that women have a zero integrity and young men must learn this as early as possible. Any person that needs the fear of abandonment and loneliness to treat someone that loves them with respect and kindness is trash. The lowest of human life forms. If the majority of woman fall into this category then biology/evolution/God, or whatever you believe in, has played a cruel trick on human men.

    3. Also avoid living together. Actually never have her over since even if she visits one night a month she could concoct a story about being there very day to play for common law status.
      If you do then draw up a rental contract. Charge her one dollar a day for the privilege of sleeping over, cancel it when you break up. Sucks to have to give two weeks notice but it prevents common law arguments.

      1. Great idea about the contract, I’ll keep that in mind and consult a lawyer if I ever feel the urge to let a vampire into my house for an extended period of time.

  12. For those who still wish to have a wife. Simply explain to her that in Gods eyes you and her are now married , and the Government doesnt need to be involved. If she prefers an government recognized marriage , and protests your suggestion , consider her reaction a red flag, and it may be a good idea to leave her.

  13. Advice never think woman are like we are. Yes we can fuck around constantly and love our wives dearly. They are not like that. If they cheat on you, it is about you. She was going to leave you anyway, as soon as she had a better fall back. Tell her to leave now. If that cant be done, then you leave now. Never get back together, be cold as ice even if it is a lie. Have some pride, because that is all you are going to keep in the divorce.
    About the guy. Unless he is your ex best friend, just ask him to leave and as he goes tell him he can have her. If he wants to come back and help her pack you are good with it. Because she is single now. You do not keep a whore as a wife.

    1. “Yes we can fuck around constantly and love our wives dearly”…
      I don’t see difference in sexes as an excuse for infidelity. If you weren’t ready to give up the poon train then you shouldn’t have gotten hitched to begin with. If your wife has become less attractive than when you first married her, you should have put a hard stop to the decline after the first extra 10 pounds and the second baggy shirt and sweats day of the week. No side hoohah is worth the alimoney and child support shell squeeze out of your testicles every month for years. Cheating is for assholes who settled for something they didn’t want.

      1. You missed the point. Do not project the fact that you can still love her yet cheat. She is not like that. She doesn’t love you if she cheats. You know if forgiven you are not going to leave her. She is going to leave you.
        Now if you want to talk about morality. I agree with you. I did cheat. The girl was crazy and made certain the world found out about it. My wife did not Forgive me. I don’t blame her for that. But if she had I would never have wronged her again. As a guy my cheating was a reflection on me, that had nothing to do with my feelings for her. Women are not like that. When they cheat it is a reflection of how they feel about you. They will leave you if you forgive them. Unless they suddenly hit the wall and can’t get better

        1. Oh, i see. Well I do agree with your statement about reasoning. I guess what I can take away is when men do, its for isolated personal reasons to put your wants above your marriage, and when women do, they planned on jumping ship the whole time and likely have been trolling for their idea of the “bigger better deal” for awhile because of how they feel about their spouse. Marriage is scary.

        3. Personally I found marriage worth it. I do not blame marriage for what I did. And my wife never let me down. Good woman exist.

        4. I find the institution of marriage itself beautiful and part of our reason for creation. I think the hardest part for me is being able to trust someone for the greater part of your life, knowing the nature of humans. I know you said the incident happened because of a personal conflict. But if I may ask, if your wife had a body more like the other girls (or some other missing factor), do you think it would have possibly made a difference in temptation vs. acting on it?

        5. Maybe but my wife is beautiful for her age. The girl was simply young. I could have controled my lust. Instead I lied to myself as said I was just trying to help the girl. When she came on to me it was what I wanted. It was just me being a pig

        6. Do not fear living life fully just because life can hurt you. Do what is best live fully love hard take risks. But keep your eyes open and do not be a fool

        8. I started reading ROK daily a little over a year ago, finding it ironically enough through an outraged feminist shitpost about gamergate. I was already a fan of reaxxion (rip), which began my transition from dismissing feminism as just stupid to knowing that its dangerous. Ive learned so much. Obviously I can’t say I agree with every single article written, but those disagreements are from a Christian standpoint. Its comforting for me to come here, and in the midst of the rainbow painted limp wristed shitshow, know that some won’t be turned. Its easy to become disheartened by others in my age group, and many writers and commenters here give me hope and make the future seem less dismal. When I think about it, a lot of the positive changes Ive made in my life are because of the knowledge shared from this site. I could go on, but that’s the “short” version. Also, thank you for your honest response, its given me some things to think about.

        10. Being here is actually bad, perhaps she would prefer a more directly anti feminist spot like those men’s rights people. Th S is a boys club is it not ?

        11. Yes this is a men’s club. She seems to not try and take over or be one of us. Nor troll. Her question was honest. Pops in pops out. Harmless and it might be an education for her. MRA are whiners and I can understand why she might want to read men who still like girls. There are not many MGTOWs here.
          She has been here a year and caused no trouble. But I would hate to see woman becoming common here. Can we not have our own place

      2. I gave up the poon train for 28 years. I obviously was ready. I just fucked up. It was a cute little 20 year old and this old guy was looking at that is his last shot at a body like that. stupid I agree with you immoral I agree with you. But I had given up poon until then

    2. Fully agree but with one proviso: seek legal advice before you even let on that you know. If you are prepared to wait and be calm as a psychopath there may be ways to increase your chances of getting custody or to keep the house.

    3. You don’t marry whores either.
      A husband who maintains frame and dominance will never have a cheating wife. He also needs to be an Alpha provider so that his wife cannot just leave or have affairs because such nonsense will lead to living in poverty. A woman who is properly dominated will be too fearful of consequences to cheat and she will respect herself too much for that.
      It also helps to marry a traditional woman who came from a family which condemns female promiscuity. She will have the mental and emotional programming to stay faithful.
      Divorce laws need to be stricter. There should be harsh penalties for cheating wives so that they will be more inclined to keep their husbands happy. In the 50s, there was far less divorce because women had no way of supporting themselves if they were not married or living with parents. They also worked harder to stay attractive and submissive to keep their husbands with them.

      1. False. Women will cheat regardless of the male. They may do it less, it might take longer, and they might try to hide it better, but eventually you’ll lose the game whether it’s warranted or not and they’ll stray, if they’re ever inclined to.
        Even the most pious wife whose virginity you might’ve taken is still wondering what the rest of Mankind’s grass is like, and if it’s greener. Their programming dictates a constant, unyielding search for the highest quality male possible.

        1. A little heavy on the fatalism.
          The only out you’ve provided was if they’re ever inclined to.
          Maybe I’m being a little heavy on the idealism, but I’m going to agree with HHD here. Women, as a whole, would be less inclined to cheat given the proper framework and motivation.

        2. You can’t turn a hoe into a housewife, whether you’re Alpha, Beta, Gamma, Kappa or Phi.
          The proper framework was a lack of birth-control and reasonable courts, so her and her unavoidable bastard-baby are out in the cold, starving in the street. That was motivation.

        3. Shame also no longer exists. In my day, shame was a very big factor in keeping your legs closed.

        4. Why would a woman search for the “highest quality male” if she has one already?
          An Alpha male can attract several decent women. We do exist even if we are rare. LOL
          A red pill woman will be completely disgusting by cheating because we’re not carousel riders.
          I agree that most women are promiscuous these days but I’m not going to pretend that I am the only faithful wife around.

        6. What the fuck is a “red pill woman”? Stop trying to co-opt our culture. Women don’t need a red pill. They know who they are, always have.
          You don’t understand our scorn for the carousel. You cannot empathize with it. The carousel is the reverse harem you strive for. Your army of servants.

        7. I will “co opt” whatever I wish. I’m glad that most real men on Return of Kings respect and revere women like me. All you’re doing is showing what a little bitch you are.

        8. Bitch, shut your stupid mouth and go make a sammich!
          …
          We were all warned about bitches like this, and there have been a few.
          ….
          Go away, you dumb bitch.

        9. *yawn* All the beta males who swallowed the pink pill are throwing tantrums.
          The Alpha males are too manly to shriek at a woman.
          Sorry darling….I only make three course meals (Sandwiches are for lazy women) for real men like my husband. Now go shave your legs.

      2. It’s obvious you are a woman because your statement not only contradicts itself, but puts all blame squarely on men.
        Men with frame and dominance get cheated on also and women are responsible for their shitty decisions. Why is leaving the relationship not the first option if the man is so repulsively inadequate for her?
        “It also helps to marry a traditional woman who came from a family which condemns female promiscuity. She will have the mental and emotional programming to stay faithful.”
        So you do admit that a woman’s mental and emotional programming make her more likely to cheat. This sentence directly contradicts your second sentence.
        “A woman who is properly dominated will be too fearful of consequences to cheat and she will respect herself too much for that.”
        Contradictory again. She stays faithful out of fear OR self respect, not both and with alimony and child support laws what does she have to fear? Certainly not poverty.

        1. Women should be more chaste and have strong morals. Men should be mindful of the deceitful nature of women and choose wisely.
          I don’t believe that truly dominant men are foolish enough to marry whores. Life is about choices for both sexes. Did you ever consider that women can stay faithful out of both fear AND respect? The two are not mutually exclusive.
          We live in a society which celebrates female promiscuity. That’s why a traditional moral background is important for women. Women are naturally more monogamous than men but feminism has caused many women to turn away from their natural inclinations.

      3. … You’re clrearly a woman or a Beta. I knew by your first sentence.
        1: to an extent, all women are whores. Some just stick with a client for years vs an hour.
        2: you assume women are incapable of the long con. Like no whore would ever make herself appear to be decent to snag a man.

        1. A smart man will be able to see through the long con. Sorry that you aren’t that savvy. LOL
          “All women are whores” sounds like some MGTOW nonsense.
          While I agree that the vast majority of women are promiscuous these days, an Alpha male will have no trouble finding a woman with morals and a low notch count. That was what my husband found when he married me.

        2. Implying morals are common and high notch counts are rare. This lady, gentlemen, is what we call a RELIABLE SOURCE.

        3. Oh dear. I specifically said that traditional women are rare but we exist. LOL.
          An intelligent Alpha male knows to reject trashy women and wife a decent one if that’s what he wants. I guess you believe that common sense is not that common in males?

      4. My soon to be Ex Husband was never aware of the 20k I have sitting on the side. My buck out Money. I was always faithful, provided sex, food and a home. Now his family knows all his dirty secrets.

        1. Yes, a wife should always have “F-you” money in case her husband becomes abusive or cheats.
          I agree with that. My point was that providing a certain lifestyle will cause a cheating wife (Not husband) to think twice.

      5. This is not true at all, and comes obviously from someone who has no idea about women and has never been in a long term relationship. Fact:
        Women cheat because that is their character. It has NOTHING to do with the husband. All a woman needs to cheat, is to allow herself to do it, AKA to have no morals.
        The only thing you can blame the man, is that he didn’t pick a better wife. Even if you are the best Alpha Male in the whole universe, a whore will still cheat.

        1. I am married to an Alpha male so I know that a man’s character will influence the wife he chooses as well as whether or not she will stray.
          An Alpha male would not choose a whore for a wife so that factor is self explanatory.
          Please tell me again that as a red pill woman who is married to a dominant man, I know nothing about my own gender. LOL

        2. Ok. You’re a woman. Assuming you’re straight, you have spent your life being interested in men. We, being straight men, have spent our lives being interested in women. Therefore, a man who has been in relationships with women (ie more than one) will know more about the behavior of women than you do. You will, obviously, know more about the behavior of one woman (yourself) than he will, but, women’s behavior overall; that’s us. The reverse is also true, you almost certainly know more about the behavior of men than I do, as I am not gay.

        3. How is it that I would know more about men when I am not one?
          I know nothing about what it is like to be a man, just as you cannot truly understand the experiences of women.
          If you believe that I know more about men than a man would, then that makes me qualified to speak on the character and quality of men who are usually cheated on.

        4. Yeah. 25 year anniversary coming up in a few days.
          If you keep a horse reigned in, it will follow your lead. If you don’t, it won’t.

        6. Stop making up terms like red pill woman. Women don’t have anything near our Matrix.
          Alpha men can still wed whores, just not obvious ones. Being Alpha doesn’t require perfect insight into human nature or infallible prediction.

        7. You can speak to the qualities of men who are cheated on because you have cheated. Please, deny it, we trust your word.

        8. I did not say that, I said that men would know about the behavior of women better than a straight woman would of any woman other than herself. I did not say “what it’s like to be one” or “the experiences of” or “about them.” Subtle point, but crucial.
          I personally have no idea of how a man could mistreat a woman, other than maybe stringing her along as a side piece, because I don’t do that shit. I do, however, understand at least 80% of the ways a woman can be a bitch, as I have had them done unto me. The reverse is also true. Just behavior, though, not understanding them. Hell, I don’t want to understand women.
          http://www.madcow.club/images/memes/20/al-bundy-dont-understand-women-meme.jpg

        9. It’s not that hard to understand women. What’s hard for most guys is accepting the ugly truth.

        10. Congratulations! As a forever bachelor and marriage cynic, it’s good to see exceptions to the rule. I have a couple of close friends that seem to have genuinely happy marriages, but again…exceptions.
          It’s good to see examples of “how it oughtta be” .

        11. Understanding the way most women think can serve a man well.
          However, I sympathize with your lack of interest in applying logic to our flighty behavior.

        12. LOL Only betas catfight with women online.
          Are you done or do you need to put on your makeup to continue whining?

        13. I ask you, good sir, to ignore the bitch troll. Her purpose is confusion and time wasting. Do not allow the bitch to succeed

      6. Here’s an oldie but goodie. Don’t think you had too many cheating wives under this system
        Deuteronomy 22:22 “If a man is found sleeping with another man’s wife, both the man who slept with her and the woman must die.”
        By and large, women don’t just do the right thing because it’s the right thing. They need something external to control their behavior. A woman left to her own devices, will think nothing of cheating on her hard working husband, getting him put out of the home he’s still legally required to pay the mortgage on while the woman moves her new lover into the house.
        Yes, my friend told me about a guy on his job that exact situation happened to. While he lives out of his truck, he has to pay the mortgage on a house his ex lives in with her new lover. Of course, since there are no consequences to her, she likely doesn’t feel bad at all. But if she had the threat of death by stoning hanging over her head, that’d help reign in her hypergamous instinct
        No more alpha fux, beta bucks but alpha fux and a barrage of rocks thrown at you until you’re dead

        1. I agree with this. That’s why I mentioned coming from a strict family as a factor in a wife’s ability to be faithful. Traditional upbringings yield chaste girls.
          If I cheated on my husband, my family would shun me for the rest of my life.
          I wouldn’t even be surprised if my old mom would smack me and spit on me.

  14. Women love jumping from lily pad to lily pad…and men love things that disappear (the girls who got away, their youth, old friends, times gone by, etc.) – a match made in hell for sure.

    1. I never thought of it that way I’ve always just thought of it as men love deeper and longer. We are just slow to do it

        1. A lot of guys are left shocked that the girl who fell so hard and fast for him. Can leave so easily and coldly. They honesty no longer care while you never stop

  16. I have read manosphere content for 2 years now and I actually started by listening to MGTOW . Since then everything I read I managed to observe and my life is now considerably different . Especially advice 3 if followed you have a better chance of avoid being “cuckolded” and humiliated. I just find it hard to digest that men invest their life’s work into raisING another person’s biological children while the biological fathers have an array of female partners to choose from

    2. One of my cousins looks nothing like his father, and unlike the rest of my cousins, who I can instantly see that we are related just by looking at their facial structure, this kid looks nothing like any of us. Worse is he’s borderline gay, dresses like an emo. And his papa admitted once that his mom was a cheatin’ hoebag. Case closed, he got cucked.

      2. One of my uncles had his wife cheat on him while they were separated. He even knew that guy that did it. But for the sake of their marriage and other kids, he claimed the kid as his own. Now in the family of 4, she sticks out like a sore thumb. We know that it’s not her fault that her mom did it, but one of these years they’re going to have to be truthful about it.

    1. Be cautious against creating a self-fulfilling prophecy. If this is what is in your head, you might unwittingly encourage it.

  18. “What if I told you that you were hardwired to chase a creature, Neo…a creature of great beauty and magnetism who was every man’s desire…a creature you thought you simply had to have in order to be fully content in this life…a creature you dreamed about procreating with, raising children with, and winning her love…a creature that was ultimately designed to destroy you…while binding you to this existence, so that you might be reborn, and destroyed, over and over and over again…”
    – Morpheus in “The Matrix” (well he didn’t say that, but maybe he will in “The Matrix – Part 17: Neo Goes Full-blown Red Pill”…)

  19. In all fairness to the article, which I think is spot on, I don’t believe the institution of marriage exists anymore in the west. The marriage is a holy union where man and woman are joined together permanently for the purpose of having children, and he wife is to submit to the man. What we have today is an institution that is a temporary arrangement for the purpose of mutual wellbeing where both parties are “equal” with extra legal protections for the wife. It’s just another institution that has been so corrupted that it can no longer be called the same thing it once was.
    With that said I fully believe in the necessity of marriage as it is the only way to preserve the future of our country and society. This is why I believe you must pick your partner wisely because the deck is stacked against you.

    2. The second the state got involved in sanctioning marriage was the second that institution started its slow death.

  20. “paternity fraud criminal and civil charges”
    A majority of women think the cucked father should still raise the bastard kid. “It isn’t the kid’s fault” or “You must’ve done something to make her stray”.

    1. I always hear the argument “what’s best for the child”.
      How is a lying cheating mother best for the child?
      How is not knowing the biological father and any genetic issues not best for the child?
      No, it’s what’s best for the lying, cheating mother. She hits the child support lottery. And I am sure you already know the whopping percentage of money these sluts spend on themselves. I have heard them brag about it. When you really think about it, kids should be very cheap. Just food, a new pair of shoes/sneakers every year, and maybe ten sets of cheap kids clothes, all from K-Mart.

  21. The way I see women treat their husbands when I visit their houses is creepy as hell and despicable. The amount of hatred pouring out of every pore of their body for their men keeping them like princesses is sickening.
    The things I hear them say in front of them and behind their backs are pretty close to cold hearted evil.
    They are so beaten into submission I wanna slap both of them, him for being a cuck and her for being a bitch.
    Met a guy on a job, we had a few beers after work, starts telling me I need a wife, i told him fuck off you idiot, you are 58 and you still need permission from your neurotic lazy wife to leave the house for 30min. She has bled him dry, he could lose a million dollar beach pad and she’s just a stupid airhead artist 60 yr old bimbo, you look in her face, dense stupid, silly, a slight wind would blow this muppet away.
    It’s getting harder to be around stupid emasculated idiots.

    2. When I see this I get flashbacks to my marriage. These controlling bitches have turned their husbands into slaves. They constantly threaten their husbands, the husband knows he’ll lose the house, half the savings, half his retirement even if she has her own, he’ll be lucky to see the kids every other weekend. When I see a woman bitching at her man or giving him the perpetually pissed off look, I want to take the man aside and tell him RUN.

    3. Familiarity breeds contempt. Women “believe” they deserve much more than their actually worth and they are born cowards, so they just hate the man who provides them a lifestyle they would never be able to afford on their own.
      As others have posted, you let the wife know there is the door and she is free to go at anytime and it will forever be closed to you once you pass through it (never taker her back).

      1. Very effective way of dealing with women.
        I’ve had 2 long term relationships, and this was a way to maintain frame. Although never explicitly stated, two things were always reinforced in day to day dealings:
        1.) I’m the “prize” in this relationship. While you may be beautiful, it is a fleeting and quickly deteriorating value that can quickly and easily be replaced by someone several years younger than you. I’ve spent years working on a trade/craft that makes me valuable to society, and in return I am compensated handsomely for what I do. The benefits of being with me are bountiful for the both of us, so long as I’m given due respect when necessary.
        2.) You’re not happy, the door is right behind you. Remind her that she is replaceable, they all are. She will try and become “that special one”. & you can be free to believe that all you want, but never be afraid to walk away from a bad deal. Sure, a little fight here and there will happen. Anything that becomes a pattern of behavior should not be tolerated. ESPECIALLY any displays of disrespect in public- let it happen once. Twice, she gets the boot.

    5. It’s not just the older guys- I saw it all the time when I was a student at SDSU (earlier this year). As a former vet with knowledge of the world and a regular reader of the ROK, I was armed with knowledge many of these young bucks simply didn’t know.
      Women dominate the social sphere in college, and men are either willfully blind to it, or are complicit in their own subjugation. I couldn’t tell you the countless times some pointdexter would be working on quantum physics problems next to me, just to be interrupted by some cunt who demanded (not politely requesting, but demanding) to be “helped” with her own studying. Essentially, these men were being used for their intellect.
      These young nubile women would use their sexual appeal to figuratively hold a carrot in front of these men, and elicit information these young men worked countless hours to figure out.

    6. My buddy, who, back in our college/post college days pulled pussy like it was nobody’s business, is now in his second marriage. The first was to a controlling slut who left him after 8 months and immediately moved in with another dude. He’s still married to his second wife, but needs permission to do anything, including grabbing dinner with me when I’m only in town once a year. His wife controls every single aspect of his life. And his eyes look more and more hollow with each passing day.

  22. I still have no idea if my old French girlfirend ever cheated on me or not. But she had said she would if she got a chance.Not sure if it was reall or just a shit test. But that was e-damn- nuff for me. Plus she bitched alll the fucking time.Also, I was pissed at her any way. She had made me walk barefoot 200 yards on hot pavement to her car to punish me for not wearing my sandals from the car to the beach earlier in the morning when it had been cooler. I asked her to pulll the car around to the beach sand so I would not have to walk on the asphalt , but she said I needed to be taught a lesson. Fucking burning hot pavement. I got blisters on my feet ! So I was already thinking up shit to do to get her back. We had been together for 5 years, and I had grown weary of trying to calm her down and avoid a scene. I would have gone to jail if I had just beat the hell out of her like she deserved. So for once, I had to use my noggin.
    So I moved from France to Japan without telling her. Broke up first, but as she was a stalker type, the only way to get away was to go far far away. Got a better job, more money, a better woman. Learned a 3rd language.
    I sent her a postcard to let her know I was gone for good. That was 26 years ago. When I was ……26 ! My half Japanese son is 20.
    She did traCK me down by internet stalking about five years ago. Found my work email online. Sent me an email to renew our” friendship”. I answered her I was not interested.
    She was was an evil bitch with limitless capacity for destruction. I was not going to let the she-devil back in my life.
    I have found much better. Been married for 24 years to somebody who is still kind to me. Looking forward to our silver anniversary.

    1. Many more years with your wife! Congratulations!
      Have you ever been unfaithful to the woman you married?

    4. I take it 26 years ago ROK’s words of warning about Japan, and its golddigger “pandemic”, didn’t apply?

      1. All to a degree. But all can be navigated. My marriage has had its difficulties, but is probably happier now than ever.
        That was still a good article on ROK about Japan. Very critical. And there is pressure on a dude to make money. At least there was in the bubble economy of the early 90’s when things were booming and everybody was getting great jobs. (For a few days, their GNP, because of exchange rates, was actually equal to ours briefly. That’s how strong they were).
        At the time, I was a little like a hippie. She went through a phase of thinking I should be making more money, but it has all worked out. Will never be rich but house, cars are paid for.
        But it is true, I went throough a phase of resenting a few things. Like she had the right, as a Japanese girl, to work or stay home according to what she wanted. And I resented the pressure to make more money. She has been staying home for 6 years (freelancing some) as she will only accept work she likes. I actually want to buy some big stuff, land, gold, guns,ham radio, van, mancave undeer house or in attic etc, so I am glad she just got hired as she found something that pays well and finds inteeresting.
        So now I am even looking to buy a bug-out place in the country to crate an off the grid Russian style dacha. She is sort of getting on board with that (not quite though, will fly after we fix up house I think).
        But just get ready for attitude. She works if she wants, you, as s dude must work. But at least when she is not working, she cooks great damn food. The best.Your work is for survival, hers must be fulfilling. But she just got hired for a new job that pays well. She has pretty high but narrow qualifications.
        I am looking forward to the cash coming in again. She will make almost what I make. But I am not looking forward to helping around the house like I used to when she worked before.
        For 6 years, I just came home, ate, surfed internet, or now, work out. But I need the extra cash for a bug-out, more guns, gold silver etc. So good she is working. But gotta get a few girlie things too like better home before land. (I have enough guns anyway).

    5. Youre a chump for letting that bitch “make” you walk on that parjing lot..
      A chump i say

    1. Didn’t know that they had anything catchy on their early stuff.
      I still think it’d be a decent idea for them to remaster their “pre-metal” stuff.

  26. I think now I understand some of these young couples that just buy a house together without getting married. As she cannot take the house if you are just co-investors.
    At least, I think it works that way.

    1. Unfortunately common-law marriage laws apply after a certain point, so it’s not a perfect solution either.

  27. 1. Tell her you want to rekindle your marriage by taking her on a vacation in a exotic country.
    2. Get her passed out drunk (don’t fuck).
    3. Then take her passport money and phone and get on the quickest flight home.
    See how long it takes her to suck enough dick to get back across the ocean.

    1. Yes. Unfortunately at other universities it appears free speech is being prohibited if considered “offensive ” however, so while that one is good, the general trend seems to be the opposite.

  29. Why not improve yourself? If she cheats, it’s because she’s found someone better. You wouldn’t settle for “second best” – why should she?

    1. She can leave he relationship if the guy is so inadequate for her. Your statement makes no sense because most women cheat with men that will only fuck them, not wife them. So she’s trying to get one man’:s commitment and resources while getting pleasure secretly from another man. She’s a not settling, she’s manipulating and looking out for just herself. Stop defending sluts.

    3. Your mistake is thinking that she has a “better”. No, she has a fantasy in her head that is “best”. You will NOT meet up to it. No man would. No man. Not one.

  30. Get a detailed pre-nup beforehand (or don’t get married). DNA test your kid (immediately after birth), preferably without her knowing. Some states forbid this, so sometimes it’s just for your peace of mind.
    Obtain evidence of the act(s) (hopefully your state will allow you to use it) Dump the bitch. Hoes don’t come back to housewifes, and aren’t worth saving. Hope she doesn’t rake you over the coals (pre-nup is your only conceivable defense).
    Or just don’t get married. Particularly to a hoe, but most women are good at hiding it.

  31. There is really no such thing as cheating anyway. All women, whether they know it or not, are defacto community property to share with your fellow man.

    2. That’s the Africa way.
      But not the rest of the world.

    3. Sounds like something out of a Heinlein novel, and only then when women were scarce.
      No matter how I look at it, that’s gay.

  32. Cue the MGTOW faggots (and their sympathizers) in the comments section talking about “all women will cheat on you.”
    And anyone who has a wife who has never cheated on them is just a “naive idiot” whose wife is actually cheating and he just doesn’t know it yet.
    How the fuck do you idiots think western civilization (or any civilization, for that matter) was built? Do you think the great men of history were simply “naive idiots” who didn’t realize their wives were cheating on them?

    1. According to that “Rome” show on HBO 10 years ago, Cleopatra cheated on Caesar with the Centurion for her kid.

      2. wow. one person in history. good job.
        I’m pretty sure cleopatra had a reputation as a slut, kind of like the marilyn monroe of her time.

        1. Indisputably, one of the most important men in Western History.
          BTW, “MGTOW Faggots”…wouldn’t you say that’s a bit rude?
          Would you say that to someone’s face?

        2. I don’t think it would be possible to say it to their face, since they don’t leave their house (or mother’s basement) very much.

        3. OK, I get your point.
          But some MGTOWs (and I have only just learned that acronym in the past month) have had MGTOW-DOM thrust upon them.
          Some guys were just selected against at birth, and they deal with it as they see fit. If a male is not genetically muscular and athletic, then what is he to do? Take steroids? The vile American slut is attracted to loud mouthed, obnoxious, muscle bound sh*theads who go to clubs and feed them drugs. If you are not willing to play that game, which is stacked for the Alphas, then you have three choices.
          1) Become a MGTOW who just doesn’t give a damn (I admire the hell out of them!)
          2) Hook up with the plain janes and the ugly fuglies. (a fate worse than death!)
          3) Makes lots of disposable income and bang hot young escorts.
          I am in the #3 category. Not proud of it, but not ashamed either. I do what I have to do to get what I want. But…I admire the hell out of MGTOWs!!! They are almost like HEROES to me!

      3. I was given the first season of that on DVD as a shitty Christmas present, because my sister gives shitty Christmas presents. I fast forwarded through it looking for tits, then packed it up and will probably goodwill it.

    2. Not a MGTOW, but a realist.
      Women are creatures of irrational emotions, and emotional creatures will act on impulse. It’s been shown that the prefrontal cortex is underdeveloped in most women, and will therefore make choices that counter their own well-being if it means instant gratification.
      I’ve been on the receiving end of the “object of desire” for these women. Not knowing that they were in committed relationships before engaging in fornication. Women will boldly lie to your face about cheating, and will do so with a straight face. Two anecdotes come to mind, one blonde and one latina- here are my stories about them:
      The blonde is currently in Stockholm, Sweden with her 2 year boyfriend. When I first met her, she was a quiet blonde who had a thing for vets as she made apparent our first day of class. Things moved quickly and within weeks, she spent afternoons enjoying after-school specials with me. This continued throughout the semester, and at the end of it she announced to me and a group of friends that she would be moving in with her boyfriend in Sweden after she graduated. This came as a surprise, as she never mentioned the guy. I perused her facebook, and lo and behold photo after photo of a seemingly happy couple going on trips around the world. You would have never known looking at her sweet demeanor, but she was a bold faced liar, and cheat.
      The latina was a similar story. Quiet. Sweet. Never seemed like someone who would have engaged in anything more evil than killing a fly. One day during a group trip to a Buddhist temple to gain information for a presentation, she asks if I would like to get coffee. I agree to her proposal, and within hours she is slobbering all over my male anatomy. Come to learn later, she has been seeing the same guy for several years, and now the schmuck is paying for a 20,000 dollar wedding in November.
      I think as men we have a tendency to see women as docile, innocent creatures which can do no harm. We want to believe they are, especially in a world where evil is so prevalent. They tend to serve as an escape of all the things we dislike about the human condition, and we seek solace in their comfort because in a way they remind us of the care our own mothers gave us.
      Unlike them however, women have no loyalties to a man who is not her father or child. Regardless how often she will tell you she loves you, she will always be open to temptation, and a creature who is open to temptation will be prone to follow those emotions if she thinks she can get away with it. I’m not saying all women are this way, but most are.
      Tread carefully my fellow gents.

      1. I agree with everything you just said, and my comment was not meant to imply that all (or even most) women are special snowflakes who would never cheat. In this day and age, I’m sure it is quite common for women to cheat, be sluts, and lie about it. However, that’s not the same as saying that ALL women are like that and telling any guy who comments about his happy marriage and loyal wife that he is a cuck and an idiot for believing she isn’t cheating.

  33. Do not, under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, take her back.
    I repeat, do not UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES TAKE BACK A CHEATING WIFE. Don’t even CONSIDER it. It should be clear to her from the beginning of the relationship that if she cheats, she’s gone. Even if she apologizes and begs you. Even if you’ve been together for 20 years and have kids together. Do. Not. Take. Her. Back.
    I can’t even see myself being with a woman (long-term) if she wasn’t a virgin. This means it would bother me a lot if my wife had any sexual partners BEFORE me. Although it’s not as bad as cheating, it’s still another man’s dick penetrating her. If I did have a non-virginal wife (even if it was just one guy and he only fucker her once, 5 years before I met her), every time I had sex with her I would be all too aware of the fact that another man’s DICK was in that hole, pounding away and stretching it out (and no, it wouldn’t matter if the dude’s dick was smaller than mine, or if my wife didn’t enjoy it, or whatever. It’s still a penis having been inside her).
    So if my wife were to cheat on me, it would be the same thing only she is also disrespecting me in a big, big way. I would never be able to trust her again (in addition to the dick-inside-her thing).
    Any dude who stays with his wife after she cheats is an idiot and deserves to be laughed at and ridiculed. I don’t care if she is hot, young, has “red-pill” ideas, and apologizes over and over. If your wife cheats and you have any doubts about leaving her, or find yourself missing her, just picture a MAN’S DICK penetrating her, and think to yourself “that really happened.”

  34. 35 years married and still counting, but honestly, I don’t think I’d go down the same road if I got a redo. The odds are stacked too much against men in today’s world and there’s only a couple of ways to come out on top. As has been mentioned by others here, #1 is to be the kind of Alpha male that she doesn’t dare cheat on because there is no bigger better deal for her. You know it, she knows it, her friends know it. You demand respect and you get respect. There’s a line of women waiting to take her place because you ARE The Man.
    OK, so maybe you’re not THAT guy, Remind me…why are you getting married? No, really, why? Regular sex? Don’t have kids then. The woman you marry likely will cease to exist once she becomes a mother. So, then if not for sex–which can be found in abundance by any single guy worth a damn–why are you getting married? Companionship? Get a dog. Someone to wash and clean and pick up after you? Hope you’re looking at South America or Asia, cuz that’s not gonna happen for very long with your basic American Princess.
    Admit it–she’s the one that wants to get married. They want to have their special day as a bride! They want your assets. It’s called nesting and they want your hard earned dollars to line their secure futures. There is a reason that we joke about the honeymoon being over–it’s when you start looking at other women and she’s settled in and can stop pretending she cares about sports. And she’s got you right where she wants you. You ARE going to pay for her one way or another. And you agreed to this WHY????
    So, yeah, odds are she’s going to cheat on you at some point. Go ahead and divorce her. There is ZERO negative social stigma at this point for divorce, unlike 50 years ago. And yes, she cheated because she thinks you suck and she’s ready to move on if she gets caught.
    I just don’t believe you can win in marriage anymore by playing by the rules. Should you choose to get married, plan on getting divorced. Pre-nupt if you can get away with it, exit plan either way. Unless you were a God-fearing sex-abstaining fella before marriage, why are you going to act like one while married? You win if you can keep getting some on the side. The mistress arrangement has worked well for many cultures over many, many years. The wife (and possibly mother of your children) has rank and status and your assets should she decide to leave. She cheats on you and you know she will, but you’re cheating on her and she at least suspects you are, and everyone is ok with that–because it’s one of the only arrangements that takes into consideration what people really do and not some fairy tale about unreal people.
    However, I’m not advocating the mistress solution for anybody heading into a marriage, mostly because there are very few circumstances that really warrant being married. If you both happen to be be very religious and marry as virgins and both remain extremely devout and loyal to each other, then sure, get married. But that guy won’t feel right about having a mistress or just casual sex on the side. Which again, begs the question, why are you getting married in the first place?
    Talk to older guys–both those who are in long term marriages and those who aren’t. See how many of them advise you to get married in today’s world. Want kids? You can do that (on purpose even) without getting married. Check the laws of the state you are in to make sure you jump through all the hoops to protect your rights–and be prepared to pay and pay and pay. Kids aren’t cheap. And get a paternity test on each one.
    Mostly, wake up and pay attention to what you read on this site! There has been a big shift in power in relationships and men are now at a big disadvantage if you play by the old rules. Find ways to shift the power back to where you have the upper hand. Developing game is one way, although merely having an easy lay is too short term a goal. Use your game to create longer relationships that give you some of the benefits of a marriage without the financial pitfalls. I amuse myself with the thought of a series of “Six Month Marriages” where no assets are at risk, both parties maintain separate financial accounts, and divorce is mandatory at the six month mark. Then on to the next one. No reason to cheat on each other because the marriage is only going to last 6 months anyway.
    Now Six Month Marriages might not work, but I hope you understand that you are going to have to be creative to maintain the dominant position with women, in a world that is increasingly stacking the odds in women’s favor.

  35. ….’Honey, it’s not what it looks like. This is Chad from work. We were testing out the new CPR life saving technique. You know, in case anyone needs help when they collapse next time. This is for your benefit too! What with Kratom being banned & all….
    Don’t look at me like that. What are you doing with that camera!!?’

    1. How a Hermun Munster graphic didn’t get an upvote until now I’ll never know. Well done sir.

      1. Grandpa Al would run for mayor every four years here in nyc- I would see him outside Grand Central handing out fliers

  36. Girls – married or not – that are selfish sexually early on, not in a prudish inexperienced way, but just resistant to certain demands/requests in the sack, I’ve found are the ones most likely to cheat.
    They tier their givings, and not because they won’t get dirty as fuck, they plan to cheat or do the “truly nasty” shit with others. Modern women will find your best quality every time, and conspire against it. Oh.. you’re obviously a respectable man? She’ll sure as hell disrespect you where it hurts the most first…other cocks… in her ass, then her mouth, then kiss you. Literally planning on it. I think women know with 5 minutes of meeting a guy nowadays if they’d:
    1) Marry Them, 2) Cheat on Them, 3) Rob them in court, 4) Pull a false rape accusation, 5) Do anything to ruin their reputation intentionally.
    It works like this;”OK I’ve got this guy on lock with my hot body and bubbly personality, now to do that threesome with those 2 dudes who I’m certain are hung.”
    Yes, the thinking is that fast. Not necessarily premeditated, either planned or on a whim… but it’s a high liklihood if she’s a 7+ in looks.
    Potentially the greatest thing I’ve learned in the physical realm here on the RVForum, when game was still the main topic, and the transformation by Roosh into Neo-Masculinity (natural progression IMO), is you can fuck the daylights out of a seemingly low notch-count, nubile or slightly older hot woman, like heart attack and ischemic stroke sex, and within 12 hours while you’re at work, with family, with the boys, she’s fucking another guy. You think to yourself;”I tore that shit up, I’m sore, she’s sore as hell, she wasn’t walking right and said it hurt to even sit down to take a piss, fuck yes I’m Adonis !!”
    Nope asshole, THAT’s precisely when you look to catch her cheat.. when ANY normal guy wouldn’t be looking for it AT ALL. It’s how I caught a few of my last cheating… and I’ve had many women tell me I was the “best ever,” or “fucking amazing.” It’s a new ball game gents. Don’t step in the batter’s box without your helmet on.

  37. My Husband cheated on me. But since he was so nice as to put a cheaters clause into his prenup he will not have access to my money.

  39. If you look at the studies into paternity, even conservative figures show that between 8% and 15% of children haven’t been fathered by the man who thinks he’s the biological parent.
    I looked into this, and these numbers aren’t real. They came from studies that used male volunteers who suspected the kid might not be theirs. It’s the worst kind of sampling bias.
    The real number over the general population is something like 2%. That’s not to say women aren’t cheating on their husbands – it’s just that they’re not having babies by their lovers in such large numbers.

    1. 2% sounds very low.
      I tend to think it is even higher than 15%.
      Which is why any guy would be NUTS to not get a paternity test before allowing his name on a birth certificate.

      1. Is it possible for a couple with brown hair and brown eyes to have a kid with blue eyes and blonde hair? First kid has brown hair and eyes, second one doesnt…the woman does not strike me as the cheating kind

        3. No idea about the grandparents. jury is out on how much they look alike(younger kid is only four). I hope not, they have been together since college, they are now mid to late 30s…

        4. Yes, if both parents have the blue eyed recessive gene, you have a 25% chance of the kid being blue eyed. I do prefer blue or green eyed women. White, and I’m not particular over hair color, though I guess I’d pick red, brown, blonde, black in that order if I had to do so.

    2. We already pay out the ass for health insurance. It’d be nice if that money went towards paying for mandatory DNA testing for fathers and possible children.

      1. I agree. Paternity testing should be routine and mandatory at birth. But that, apparently, doesn’t serve the interests of the children, which always seem to be suspiciously aligned with the interests of the women. It’s more likely we’ll end up in the situations German men who need the mother’s okay before you can administer a paternity test.

        1. The ‘doesn’t serve the interests of the children’ logic I feel is invalidated when their mother is screwing around with others. If the beloved mother is happily doing something that jeopardizes the interests of her offspring, then why should the man be held to a higher standard…especially when its not even his child. Why cant the best interests of the children is to be with and know who their real father is. I feel this logic is very biased against the welfare of men, but as you say its spun to be not for the benefit of the cheating mother, but for the poor innocent kids.

        2. I’m surprised that more health insurance companies do not mandate this on their own already, particularly if the mother is on the dad’s insurance and the child is to be on the same. Paying for a DNA test would be far cheaper than paying for health care costs for a child.

  40. My coworker was talking about some girl he met who has a kid and is separated from the biological father. I said that I dont know if I would feel good with it since the last poor guy probably got ripped off by family court and is paying alimony. Then he told me: No man she is paying him!
    Reck’d by equality.
    Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it.
    Happened somewhere in Canada.

    1. I did not know Canadian men had been liberated from serfdom yet. Learn something every day. I tend to think of our icey Northern neighbor as a sort of Siberian goulag for mangina men.
      Maybe I need to travel more and see the world. But if I do travel to a winter wonderland, think I will go to Russia instead. As I to not want my hard earned cash to support Canadian cultural marxism.
      Putin is a defender of the Eastern Orthodox faith and patriarchal virtue. (My only problem with Russia is that the 2nd amendment does not apply there.)

      2. With Canada in that case its odds on she made more or owned more then he did. I thought that you did not have to be married for the law there to consider you equivalent married if you cohabited for 2+ yrs. You are in defacto relationship and she can claim a share of your assets when you split (and vice versa)…even if you kicked her out after she cheated on you.

      3. I thought guns and tracksuits were stereotypical Russian garb.
        Dunno about actually going to Russia: Putin is caving to Islam to appease his pals in Iran, there’s a literal terrorist state within Russia (Chechnya & Dagestan) and don’t Westerners have to jump through hoops to procure a visa for entry to Russia.

  41. Women follow the plan. If your plan isn’t working at its highest level she will depart to someone displaying a better one.
    Its not about you or the next man. Its about the plan that they represent. Men are like bosses of a company but not the owner. If you are a bad boss the employee (Women) will just simply move on to another job with a boss that follows a better plan.
    She cheats because of not believing in you. (Or, simply because she likes to get fucked. She grew up without limitations or worse, “Too many” limitations and became reckless once free)
    Women, ironically are looking for freedom in restriction.
    If she cheats and there are no consequences afterwards, more than likely it will happened again. If that is cool with you then cool. Do you its your life. Kink positive.
    If not, properly handle that bitch

  42. All you who say men should never get married. I do get your point. You want the freedom to leave if she betrays you or starts treating you badly.
    And that works fine I’d say until you consider children. Married or not, just leaving the woman you have kids with is not easily done.
    How do you solve that?

    1. Apologize if I am being redundant here.
      Marriage was great prior to the 60s.
      Females stayed home, did the cooking and housework. Ran errands and took care of kids. And when she started getting a little older, she was smart enough to look the other way if/when the husband was seeing a younger girl on the side every now and then. Unless the guy was hitting here, there was not even a thought of divorce. Giving females the vote was 2nd worst mistake in US history (#1 was bringing african slaves here). It took 40 years of them voting to completely foul up this country to the state we are in now. Females should never have power. It destroys everything functional.
      As far as your question goes, about leaving kids, you should be able to take them with you and get a pretty 19yo au per to take care of them and for you to bang, while she gets a job at Walmart and dates Cletus the slack jawed yokel. That is how it SHOULD work. The kids go with the parent most able to support them. And the two adults part ways as EQUALS, and have to support themselves on their own. Feminists keep saying they are equal, right? So why on earth would they need alimony?

        1. Every part of that comment is based on logic and common sense.
          Kids should go with the parent who can afford to care for them.
          Why should the wife get alimony & child support if she is going to hire a nanny/au per anyway, and spend the bulk of the support on gucci dresses and bags, makeup and expensive shoe for her calloused feet, stretch marked, sagging body, and wrinkled face?
          And can you tell me ONE GOOD THING that has come about from the US participating in the African slave trade or giving women the vote?Those two things are a great cancer that is killing this country.

    2. Lot easier to leave if you’re not married plain and simple. If you want to see the kids get them every second weekend. Its not ideal but neither is coming home to find your wife/live-in girlfriend with some other guys cock in her mouth.

      1. True, but I’m looking for an alternative that doesn’t involve splitting up a family. The way I see it, the broken families is part of the mess we have now. Kids being raised mainly by mothers and thus lacking the whole dimension that fathers are supposed to bring.

      1. You can theoretically do that, but the chance of that going your way is not very high. You’ll be lucky to get shared custody.

  43. I dont know about this. In my experience, women are terrible liars. I always knew when a girl was cheating or lying. Women generally try to deceive by omission; its easier to just not mention a thing than to lie about it poorly and get caught. If you pay attention, though, you should be able to tell that something is up.

    2. Yes..they don’t handle scrutiny well. They get this “please don’t ask questions I can’t answer” vibe. They tend to crack under questioning.

        1. I have a policy. I never ask questions that I do t already know the answer to. So I like to ask the questions to see how much they lie and hamster. It be kinda fun to feed them rope, and then yank the noose on them.

    3. As a guy whose girlfriend cheated on him several years back, I wholeheartedly agree. You feel it in your gut. You know she’s fucking around. However, they are good about hiding/manipulating evidence.
      A woman’s current boyfriend could find a sexually suggestive text from her ex and still believe her lies when she says it was just a joke, or he didn’t mean it that way, etc. When a man is steeped into a relationship like this, it becomes very difficult for him to open his eyes, and the woman knows it. She can be the world’s worst liar and he’d still buy her bullshit. It’s only once you’re out of that situation that you realize just how stupid you were to believe her lies, and just how bad she was at lying and hiding the truth.

  44. Until the court system, and most women’s outlook on ‘taking him for all he’s worth’ when you leave him because you ‘got bored’ or saw something you thought was better (or simply because you can) changes, it is simply not worth getting married for men. You are gambling everything, EVERYTHING, on a woman’s feelings. The state can and will redistribute your hard-earned assets even if you are not in the wrong. Pre-nups will not protect you anymore. They can be challenged, and the court can actually throw them out if the judge decides they’re ‘unfair’, even after both parties signed it in sound mind.
    You can see why men are going their own way in droves. While it may not be the way to fix the current situation, I find it difficult to blame them.
    That said, there is some great wisdom in this comment section, too. I agree, if your woman does the dirty on you, don’t lose your head. Kick her ass out, or leave, and never, ever look back.

  45. ALL states are no fault now – I am pretty certain of that. No matter what she does, you can’t use it. They simply do not care. In most states, it is all a computer formula and they tally up what you owe. Most of the fights that remain are over custody. And with that, you know it ends for most men.
    I would NOT get married in the USA. Not a chance. In other countries the rules are different (at least some). But getting married or simply BEING married and residing in the USA is a no-win situation for a man. It benefits you in absolutely no way.

    1. Even shackng up for an extended period can leave you on the hook. Even for child support for kids that aren’t yours, if the court finds the kids had “bonded” to you or some horseshit.

    1. They might have beaten up the victim instead of the perp in that.
      Looking at the pic, it looks like the USMC wasn’t immune to the social engineering that wreaked havoc with the other branches; dude in the middle looks like he has a low-grade tat on his chest FFS.

      1. They might have beaten up the victim instead of the perp in that.
        Beating up the “other guy” rather than the cheating wife is less justifiable, because in most cases, the wife was looking to cheat, whereas the other man wasn’t. It’s just another way to white-knight.
        If anything, it’s the “other men” who have more justification for saying it “just happened”.

        1. A man who sleeps with your wife is disrespecting you.
          Put in in a different way: If some guy just walks up to you and spits in your face, you’re just gonna let him walk away??? He disrespected you the same way the wife fucker disrespects the husband…

        2. If the other man knows you, then its definitely disrespect and a cu*t act. If the other guy has no idea who you are then yeh its still disrespect but its not at a personal level. The other stranger doesn’t have a duty to the man (husband/bf) beyond what society considers good conduct. The wife/gf owes him much greater respect & honor to do the right thing. I admit it would be hard not to lose it and punch some stranger though if I walked in on them, but I would never blame him more than my gf.
          A lot of cheaters also lie to the other person they have sex with (ie they give the impression they are single or they are separated but not divorced or their relationship is terrible and they have not had sex in over a yr, etc)

    2. I have heard of some real savage beat downs on men that cheated with another guy’s woman. To me the more deserving of rage is the cheating gf/wife (not advocating he beat her). She owes the duty of fidelity & faithfulness to her husband/bf, and not some random man. In some of these cases its totally possible the other man has no idea she has a bf. Its a bit harder to not know she is married but still many married cheaters tell the other person they are separated. I think some of these violent cheated on guys like to put 90% of the blame on the other man, so that way they can more easily forgive their missus. If the other guy knew the woman’s bf/husband and had socialized with him, then to me its a different situation then, and the other guy is more deserving of a beating (1 on1 not 3 on 1). There are some (psychopath) men out there that get their kicks screwing their friends/associates wives/gfs behind their backs.

  47. She cheats then cut her off and forget her face. No need to put any extra effort or emotion into an unfaithful spouse. Courts, money yada yada. There will always be more money if you are willing to work for it.

  48. Three gentlemen, were discussing the ultimate sophistication ??
    The first one said, “You come home & you walk in to your bedroom & then you see your wife in bed with someone else. Then you close the door quietly & leave… No no the other said… You walk in to your house, then go to your bedroom & you see your wife with someone else in bed, you just say, Oops I’m sorry, please do continue ….
    The third say, nah.. that’s not the ultimate sophistication ?? The ultimate sophistication is, you’re in bed with someone’s wife, the husband open the door to the bedroom & say oops I’m sorry , please do continue &… You can continue !!

  49. It’s very simple. The only thing you can do when you have been cheated is to walk away and never look back. Looking for revenge is a waste of time. In fact this is the only power in a reltionship as men we have today, walking away when things go south.
    And that’s why when we marry we become absolutely powerless. There is nothing else that needs to be said about this. If you are not free to walk away from her, you are not free.

  50. What would you guys advise in this situation…
    A good childhood friend of mine married the mother of his baby daughter about a year ago. I returned from living abroad to attend their wedding, my friend’s new wife was under 25 and came from a very traditional family of Israeli immigrants. As far as I could tell from the wedding and taking a look at Facebook the two families got along famously and had tremendous shared values. I congratulated my friend heartily on beginning – what appeared to be – a truly fruitful marriage.
    Yet recently Skype calling my friend from Kiev, he told me that they were getting divorced after barely 6 months of marriage. I couldn’t believe it. He gave me a couple of BS reasons why they were splitting up…
    She wasn’t intellectually stimulating enough
    They didn’t have good conflict resolution skills
    They “just weren’t happy together”
    I pushed him for the truth and he got a little emotional and admitted that she cheated on him. It sounds like it was a one time thing. She got drunk on night and just made a bad decision.
    My friend couldn’t bare the shame and decided to split up with her.
    Now her and my friend’s families are a bit naive – apparently they believe this BS story that these newlyweds are getting divorced just because they “are bored of each other”. My friend seems to think that if he keeps her secret she won’t rape him in the family court system. He got married (against my advice) without a prenup. So on a whim she can enslave him for the next 20 year. I advised my friend that he needs to get a lawyer’s council but my friend is betting she won’t because she doesn’t want her family to know she destroyed her marriage with her cheating.
    That was about 6 months ago. Now weirdly looking on Facebook she still has my friend’s last name and is still married but I know that my friend has moved on and is dating someone new.
    I’m not sure what to advise my friend to do at this point…

    1. He needs to lawyer up and bury his assets before she blind sides him and takes all she can. He needs to resolve the first train wreck before jumping on to the next, but from your discription me thinks he will not heed the advice.

    2. I’m not sure how bad Russian divorce law is (I thought it was not as bad on the man as in the west), but since he has time & opportunity he should make the most of it to reduce his assets (assuming he had a lot more than her) for when the divorce comes through. After that he should initiate divorce so he is not legally tied to her and she cannot run up debt in their joint married name.
      I can understand why he does not want to tell the truth so she wont go hard on him with divorce rape (he cant avoid child support), but when he has made plans/allowances for the eventual day he should then let people know the truth. If it was me I would. One of the advantages in this day & age is there is no social stigma of a bf/gf living together. In that time it allows you to get a good up close feel for what the other will be like as a wife/husband or pick up on red flags. Still its not perfect by any means as I’ve seen women change soon after they have security locked in, or men/women that let themselves go after marriage. Personally I dont view all cheating from the same B&W perspective, there are different circumstances, but when it happens only 6 months in a marriage or the first time your partner gets drunk without you, there is not much to redeem them.

  51. I would just gather evidence in case you need it for divorce proceedings later and just not care. I understand that because of gender differences women cheating is far worse than men who do the same, but really why care that much?
    Most Alpha married guys I know keep their sexual options open and have been known to have discreet liaisons when out of town. It is probably better that you have evidence your wife is cheating as if she ever confronts you about your own affairs you just lay your evidence down.
    Since every state divorce is now “no fault” divorce it doesn’t matter if you can prove your wife was cheating. It might benefit you when it comes to social considerations, but outside of that it really doesn’t matter as far as equitable distribution of property or alimony.
    If a kid unexpectedly pops up just do a private DNA test. They are easy to do in this day and age. If it is not your kid just deny you are the father when child support papers show up. Although in some states accepting that you are the father on the birth certificate could still make you liable for child support most have reformed their laws to if you can conclusively prove you are not the father you are not liable. Further, if you can point to whomever your wife was cheating with and prove he was the father (you can get a court ordered DNA test) then you will most likely win.
    Bottom line – I would just document evidence and move on to my next outside affair.

    1. Common law
      Asking the state to marry a woman for a license is pure stupidity. I don’t have a dog license let alone a marriage license. F them

      1. Most states do not recognize common law marriage anymore. It has either been abolished by legislative act of judicial intervention. Don’t have to sell me on how bad marriage is for most men, but truth be told, most will at least get married once. If you are going to have have kids, you owe it to them to at least try marriage to the mother to be.

        3. If you don’t believe me use the magic of the google and look it up yourself. The current count is around only 12 recognize it and some other states only retroactively recognize it before a certain date.

        4. And that date is usually 7-10 years
          That buys a man a lot of time.
          And you’re wrong.
          Only NV doesn’t recognize. Almost all others DO! Read!!!

        5. Can’t convince a man who thinks he is right, but is dead wrong, that he is wrong when he doesn’t want to be proved so.
          The state in which I live (not NV) does not recognize common law marriage. Most don’t because there is no real public policy justification for it any longer. In most states a marriage certificate can be obtained for just a small filing fee, the completion of a form, and having one of a laundry list of officials certify the certificate. Obtaining a marriage license when the common law rule was adopted back in the old country 400 years ago happened because it was expensive to obtain all the approvals, in some jurisdictions marriages required approval of the church or even other government officials, and some men/women just simply could not jump through all the hoops/afford to do so. Since that is no longer the case the practice has been abandoned by most legislatures and/or courts.

  53. The biggest problem is when there are kids in the middle that are actually yours or have got emotionally attached to you even though they aren’t yours.
    What would you do?

  55. I’ve worked for pof for four years and truer words have never been spoken. Great place to work, but online dating is complete balls. I met my current gf the old fashioned way. 16 years younger, models and has traditional values and is kind with a crazy sex drive. All I could get on pof is a 50 year old land whale with a retail job and 3 kids from different fathers. It’s disgusting.
    Unless you have extremely low standards or are exceptionally good looking and can pull all the cute girls, I’d say stay the hell away from online dating. Sad thing is I’m considered good looking even at my age and regularly get cute girls in their 20s making eye contact and flirting in public. But I wasn’t good looking enough on pof as even the 6s weren’t interested.

    1. Can you explain why the moment I started getting plenty of bites and meeting up with women, my account was “disappeared”?

      1. there’s no conspiracy to prevent someone from getting matched or female bots if that’s what you’re alluding to, but there is a very robust automated scam detection system which unfortunately nixes legitimate accounts from time to time. All I can say to that is contact customer service to get your IP unblocked. I’m sure you’re well aware that all online dating sites are targeted by nigerian scammers looking for naive people to wire them money.That is actually something that POF managing extremely well compared to other sties and we have a reputation on blackhat hacking sites as being an extremely tough nut to crack.

Comments are closed.