5 Firearms A Man Should Own

The election in November is anything but a sure thing and it is quite possible that the USA will have Hillary Clinton as its next President. One of the first things that totalitarian tyrants do is disarm the populace so that they cannot resist oppression, and Clinton will be no different. While we of Return of Kings have had plenty of articles on the election, today we will cover something I wanted to write about much later after preliminary articles, but, as there is a clear and legitimate threat to at least buying new firearms in the future by the presumptive Bitch-in-Chief, here are the five firearms a man should own.

A Pistol (portability, discretion, and universality)

The first gun a man should get is a pistol. Fortunately, I can at least refer you to my back catalog on these. Pistols are important for a whole bunch of reasons, none of which are relative firepower. Friends, pistols flat out suck in terms of ballistic performance; they are literally one-third of a rifle in terms of cartridge power, action robustness, and accuracy and energy of flight.

However, the compromises made in performance are returned in practicality. You can wear them, as opposed to carrying a rifle. You can conceal them on your person, in your car, and in your home. If you are doing your job right, you will be armed and no one will know unless you need the gun, in which case you have bigger issues at hand. Lastly, a pistol can do a lot for you; it can defend your home, defend your car, defend your person, and can be thrown into your overnight bag as just another part of your kit.

CZ-75B, Glock 21, HK USP Compact, and Kimber Custom II (1911) from left to right. Any of these will work just fine.

To recap picking your first pistol, if a man is to have one pistol, it needs to be centerfire, and of a popular caliber that is powerful, yet easy to shoot, and it would help to be cost effective as well. If you are going the semi-automatic pistol route, you should go for 9mm Luger (9×19, or 9mm Parabellum), and it should be a modern pistol, hammer fired or striker fired, of either the full sized or compact sized format. Do not get a pocket pistol.

For revolvers, you want a double action revolver with a medium sized barrel (like 4 inches.) Too long a barrel  is impractical, and too short is loud, recoils harshly, and tends to limit bullet performance. The best revolver caliber for starting is the .38 Special / .357 Magnum. Buy a pistol that will do .357 and feel free to run the lesser .38 Special in it most of the time, just clean the cylinder bores well so that the carbon ring of the shorter .38 doesn’t build up and block the longer .357s from seating fully.

Any semi-auto gun requires extra magazines. I like at least six mags, guns typically come with two, so the first thing you need after the gun itself and ammo is magazines. Get online to Midway USA, Brownells, CDNN, Natchez, or even Gun Broker and get some for cheaper than your gun store.  For spare parts, you need to get all springs first, a spare barrel, then maybe a hammer and internals.

You need two types of pistol ammunition; full metal jacket for range practice, and hollow points for defense. Make sure the defense ammo runs reliably in the pistol.

A Shotgun (power and versatility)

Shotguns make no compromise on power, although you can download them to low brass shotshells for easier shooting. They are not particularly concealable, although collapsible stocks, folding stocks, and pistol-grip only stocks help, as well as shorter barrels.

My guide to combat shotguns has yet to be written as of this article, but I can point you to a background article on shotguns in general of mine. A shotgun is a short to medium range weapon that excels at being a home defender. There is absolutely nothing better with which to hold a house and its surrounding lot than a good shotgun, with the only caveats being it will be louder than hell, and you need to worry about over-penetration of interior walls.

The best defense shotguns are either slide action (pump) or semi-auto. The pumps are cheaper, simpler, and will digest more types of ammo, but the semi-autos are semi-auto. You want one that can chamber at least 3 inch shells, and can handle variable chokes (use a full choke for self defense unless you want to run slugs.)

Saiga 12 (top) and Benelli M4

Run high brass, 3 inch, 00 Buckshot (that’s pronounced “double ought buck”) for defense. It’s a good balance between nasty power in each pellet, and enough of them to do damage. Practice with whatever you want for fun, low brass birdshot is fun for clay pigeons and shooting up stuff in general.

Get a sling for the thing, and some way to carry more ammo. There are side-saddle clips that mount to the receiver, butt stock cuffs that slip around the stock, and belts and bandoliers for you. Unless you run a Saiga, you will need to practice feeding the tube, as magazine capacity is tight on these beasts (a full length mag tube will help there some.) Get a full set of chokes for versatility, and all springs that the gun needs for spares.

If you’re going to have two guns, get a pistol, then a shotgun. A shorter barrel (18 inches to 24 or so) is combat shotgun length, and, although folding and collapsible stocks are ok, pistol grip only stocks will eventually truck your trigger hand’s wrist because the recoil that is supposed to go into your shoulder via the butt-stock is now going into your wrist. Full length fixed butt-stocks are also useful as clubs for when someone is being rude, but not a deadly threat.

A Carbine (capacity and intermediate range)

The shotgun was rated above the carbine because of the versatility and close range defense, but, for intermediate range  laying down of the law, the carbine rules supreme. “Carbine” is the correct term for a shorter barreled rifle shooting an intermediate cartridge in a semi-automatic manner, “assault weapon” is a bullshit, made-up term by the media, and an “assault rifle” has a longer barrel and is fully automatic.

There are way too many carbines out there to analyze fully here, as well as their cousins with longer, full rifle, length barrels, and, while I will get into sizes and brands in future articles, the upshot is that you either want an AR pattern rifle, or an AK pattern one.

SKS (standing in for the AK), above, and AR-15

The AR platform is based around the AR-15 design, and can be made to more-or-less military standards by many manufactures, or you can roll your own. The AK platform is based around the AK-47/74 series of Kalashnikov rifles, and are made internationally as well as from surplus parts. Natively, these rifles run the .223/5.56×45 round (get one set up for 5.56×45) and the 7.62×39 (later 5.45×39) respectively. Although an AR can run .223 and it is sometimes cheaper, the 5.56×45 round performs better and should be used. One of the AK arguments is the fatter 7.62×39 round, and the 5.45×39 round sort of negates that, plus, as I understand it, the latter is harder to get, but any of these rounds are just fine.

Defense ammo is less of a concern for a rifle that it is for a pistol as there is so much more kinetic energy already there, but, the same idea for full metal jacket for target, and hollow or expanding tip ammo for defense applies here, too. Get a bunch of good quality magazines and a lot of the ammo of your choice, as well as springs and other internal spare parts. Get a rifleman’s sling and learn how to shoot (I’ll cover three position field shooting in a future article.)

Upgrades to your carbine worth considering are: collapsible stocks, an optic, a sling, a fore-end grip, a light, and perhaps a laser sight. A good trigger upgrade should be your first stop if your trigger sucks; don’t make it too light for a combat gun (as opposed to range toy), but there’s no need to put up with grit, slop, or creep.

A .22LR Rifle or Pistol (discretion and economy)

.22s are something I’ve yet to delve into here, but the family of cartridges (which used to be .22 Short, Long, Long Rifle, and Magnum, but Long is dead and Short is rare) is economical for training, doesn’t recoil much, and is a great little varmint cartridge in the Long Rifle variant, and the Magnum is good for turkeys, ducks, and the occasional bothersome cat.

I’m loyal to American manufacturers for 22s, and Ruger particularly. For rifles, there’s the 10-22 in semi-auto and there’s a bolt action American. For pistols, you can go for the Mark III for semi-auto, and any variant of the Single Six for a revolver.

Ruger 10-22 Rifle and a double action .22 Revolver.

They’re great guns to just have a fun afternoon plinking stuff, or blasting small woodland creatures. Although I think a very little kid should start on a BB gun, I can and have taught 6 year olds to shoot with a 10-22, and they definitely work well for girls on dates who are trying to be cool but are scared of things that go bang underneath.

.22s run kind of dirty, and are prone to all sorts of quality control issues. Since the ammo is not reloadable, you should endeavor to find a particular brand your guns like and stack it deep. 22 has not come back to pre-Obama and Sandy Hook prices, although it is getting closer.

A Battle Rifle (long range firepower and control)

The pistol is the most adaptable to our lives, the shotgun is the most versatile, the high capacity carbine has the most volume of fire, the .22 has it for practice and little furry pests, but it is the full power rifle that is the birthright of all Americans and renders the rest of them unneeded if you can keep the enemy at range.

Russian Mosin-Nagant 91/30, US Rifle M1 Caliber .30 (the Garand), Fabrique National Herstal (FNH)’s FNAR, from top to bottom.

While bolt action surplus rifles are nostalgic and sometimes quite affordable, the best bet for a modern ranged battle rifle (meaning shooting a full power cartridge like .308 Winchester or greater) is either a model geared towards hunting sport, or a civilian copy of a military rifle. Semi-automatics are more expensive, but allow easier, faster follow-up shots, while the bolt action is simpler and cheaper.

Refer to my rifle introduction articles for more specifics, but the accessories you want are good sights, whether that be scopes, irons, or optics, a good marksman’s sling, and a good trigger, in that order, and only them. The rest of the money you have allocated should be spent on ammo and practice.

Conclusion

If you can only have one gun, have a pistol. If you can have two or three, add a shotgun and an AR or AK. More than that, get a .22 then get a M1 Garand through the CMP. Spare mags, spare parts, cleaning supplies, holsters, slings, and cases, and lots of training and defense ammo.

I recommend 1000 rounds practice, and 500 rounds defensive ammo for each caliber weapon you have, and as much .22 as you can find at a good deal. This is an eventual goal, not an immediate mandate. Get in the habit of buying ammo when it’s a good deal.

There are a lot of types of guns that didn’t make the list. Lever action rifles, double barreled shotguns, muzzleloaders and other black powder weapons, pocket pistols, massive revolvers, semi-auto machine pistols, bullpups, and semi-auto belt feds are not what I would recommend for your core armament, even though this guy is badass, just for reasons of mission role.

Like a local gun store to me says “I would buy it now.” Hillary Clinton, if elected, is going to go after the Second Amendment hard. I doubt she will be able to confiscate guns, but she may be able to stop civilian sales of firearms and ammunition, especially if she loads the Supreme Court with other treasonous liberals. Be safe and practice, then pass on what you have learned.

Read More: How To Properly Aim A Firearm

358 thoughts on “5 Firearms A Man Should Own”

  1. With regards to the Mosin, if I remember right that thing kicks like nobody’s business. I shot one with a highly reliable and cushioning pad, and it still got to me.
    I’ve had a chance to fire a number of rifles a friend of my dad owned, and the Mosin bruised me in three shots. By way of contrast, a week earlier I had put fifty or sixty rounds through a 12-gauge shotgun with no padding and had no visible bruising.
    One article you should equip all your long arms with (with the possible exception of the .22) is a good recoil pad.

    1. Mosin 91/30s do have a kick. But it’s manageable, my daughter has one and doesn’t die from firing it.

    2. It depends on the bullet weight for the Mosin. I use 150 grain Privi soft points at the range, and the kick is barely there (I have the old Finn M39). Lovely rifles, if you must buy a Mosin, I highly recommend the Finn made ones.

  2. Shotguns – Those ain’t shotguns. That’s Shotgun Amateur Hour.
    Now a KSG. That’s a shotgun! Loves my KSG!

      1. It has worked perfectly for me. There are two shotguns in its category, the KSG which is perfectly reliable, and some Turkish piece of shit that you can’t crack three shells through without it breaking. People often confuse the two. Online reviews of KSG’s point to an awesome firearm and my own experience with it does as well.

        1. Been meaning to ask you about that, I’ve been looking to make a gun purchase, because, well we may or may not, soon be losing that right…but you’re saying the KSG is a good gun, it looks sweet. Is it reliable? and are the sights a problem? I held one without sights on the Pic-Rail and it seemed a little awkward, like the butt stock and barrel were in a perfect straight line, so it had me wondering if I placed AR15 pic-rail Iron sights whether or not it would be comfortable, because of how straight the stock to barrel is. Been also thinking about the Mossberg SPX 930 , because I Love a semi auto Shotty.

        2. I do flip up sights, iron (well, whatever they make it out of). It’s awkward until you get used to it, frankly. The ejection is downward and that takes getting used to and feeding it from the bottom requires some training, it’s not intuitive if you’ve grown up with normal shotguns. My only issue is that the rails on top really aren’t that long due to its bullpup design so with your irons you have a short shooting distance. The bottom rails on the pump are synthetic, so you’ll need to buy some steel to fit over them, then they’re good. My son mentions that the pump needs a front guard for the hand and I tend to agree, but I’m somewhat disciplined – that being said, you can’t count on micro muscle at all in combat, so you’ll want a front guard so that you don’t slip in front of the pump.
          All this said, there is no better room to room building sweeper made currently. You can fit that shit under a freaking coat on an appropriate sling.
          But the kick. Oh man, the kick. The action is right under your cheek. Wear shoulder padding or get a sturdy laser sight and don’t hold it at shoulder. It will beat the hell out of you.

        3. Looking at folks hands after they slip is some of the more gruesome stuff I’ve seen. Wouldn’t bother firing one unless it’s got a broomstick on it.

        4. There’s a front guard too that works a treat. User preference. But you do need it.

        5. Thanks Man! Yeah i got to do some thinking about it, its a sweet gun. Im torn between capacity (KSG) and semiauto (SPX930). Also thinking about getting ruger 1022..and really ,every gun i see at the gun store….

        1. Yeah… Only reason I don’t own one in the states. I’d be too tempted to mod it… Not to mention Im in NY and the mag itself is verboten.

        2. Who in the name of god wants a full auto 12 gauge? What use would that have in a real life tactical situation, ouiside of walking into a room filled with 50 men, and even then, that pull is going to make 95% of your shots worthless.

      1. My Saiga is ok. I’ve been meaning to modify it, put the trigger where it should be, pistol grip, wood furniture, and maybe a couple mercury recoil reducers in the buttstock, better trigger, polished internals. No real time. Saigas take some work, but they’re also 1/3rd the price of many other semi-auto combat shotguns. I like my M4 better, but I do like them both.

    1. I actually have a Mossberg 500 converted with a Knoxx Sidewinder mod when they were available. Wanted a detachable mag pump (Semi-autos with detachable mags are legally defined as banned AWs where I’m at).
      I like it a lot, but don’t know if I’ll be able to get it repaired if something breaks. Kind of an oddity (I did keep all the parts to convert it back).

  3. Another excellent article from Luke Stranahan regarding firearms.
    You are spot on about the types of guns and the order to purchase. Spare parts are critical as are magazines and ammo. I would simply add that methods of carrying your magazines are important as well. Chest rigs, battle belts and plate carriers become necessary once you’re hauling more than an extra clip. There is a plethora of gear and kit for the types of carrying you can do, from everyday conceal-carry to outright, overt sheepdog / operator loadouts.
    Once these weapons are purchased take the time to learn them by taking apart and putting them back together carefully (newbies should NOT be taking apart anything trigger related, just simple cleaning takedown).
    Also be aware; shooting behind a bench at the range is a fundamental way of firing a gun. If you are serious about being able to wield a firearm with ability then you must engage in move and fire tactics and training. Running, squatting, walking, reloading on the move are all VERY different then sitting on a bench at the range and firing downrange. As an exercise, do 20 push-ups at the range then quickly attempt to fire your gun with accuracy, you will learn the importance of move and fire drills that simple range shooting cannot impart.
    I know I sound like a broken record on ROK forums, but please consider tactical training. It will change your life as it did mine. The people you meet will be of the same mindset we are, and your confidence will skyrocket. Tactical training is well worth the money.
    With love,
    League of Shadows

    1. Agreed re: training. Though I grew up in ‘gun’ household, I find that now years later my comfort with handguns is in the shitter. This is one thing where ‘learning the hard way’ is unacceptable.

    2. The tactical gun crowd is a league of losers. Paranoid, dressing like an alcoholic commando in public daily, usually milking govt for some form of disability, and broke.

        1. Keep planning for ww3, Ill spend my time actually using real tools to produce work that will live on after my lifetime. Buy another accessory for that AR!

        2. “Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not.”
          -Thomas Jefferson

          Wisdom is timeless. You demonstrate a deep lack of it. Stick with TMZ and gawk more celebrity news bullshit.

        3. I love firearms, reload, and shoot. To plan your life around them and drain your finances for them is for fucking losers. Even know what an Ackey caliber is? You sound like a girl who plays with AR15s instead of Barbie dolls.

        4. Study the Finns in WW2, gun crowd fags, no, men with tools who know how to use them with cajones- YAR. Now go buy your next carry 1911.

        5. ” To plan your life around them and drain your finances for them is for fucking losers”
          Why? Because you say so? Stick it in your ass, virtue signaling is for liberal fags.

        6. Based on your profile you’re all about celebrity news and happenings like a good little consumer, easily distracted by make-believe land and the actors that play in them.
          Yeah, I’ll buy another gun, you guy buy another movie ticket like a star-struck little girl.

        7. Why? Hmmm because looking at the larger picture and investing is for adults? Sounds like somebody lives paycheck to paycheck between spending for their little toy gun collection. Cute.

        8. Your Disqus page that shows you visit People, Mother Jones, and TMZ. What a faggot, suck more tabloid cock.

        9. Investing?! Besides owning a home, if you’re putting money into the stock market you’re a bigger fucking moron that I thought. Firearms are an excellent investment. If maintained and cared for they retain nearly 85% of their value. Depending on what models you purchase on how long they are manufactured some guns actually increase in value.
          You’re just interested in smearing gun culture, because you understand very little about it.
          You write very liberal and progressive, fuckin shill, go back to huffington post.

        10. I trade, youre probably oblivious to making money in a market whether it goes up, down or sideways. Guns are a shit investment. They sit idle, can be stolen from your home, and corrode. Burying a jar of gold coins would be wiser. If you havent noticed, theyre also being made cheaper and shittier to market to people like you. The type living paycheck to paycheck, yet buy guns. The Ruger American, Savage Axis, current Sigs vs their past build quality- all made for fucks like you who buy plastic and aluminum over steel and wood. As long as accessories can attach, it holds your wannabe tactical operator attention. Gun culture is marketing, hype and paranoia. Id love it if major bans hit semi autos, so I could enjoy the misery of your types. I’ll be content with bolt actions and a reloading press…and a New Army blackpowder revolver.

        11. I’m all over the webs, you missed a few though. Buy any plastic magazines for your tac vest today?

        12. I understand ben affleck is shirtless in his new movie…better run and get a ticket faggot.

        13. “Id love it if major bans hit semi autos, so I could enjoy the misery of your types”
          Liberal shill exposed. Go back to gawker, poser faggot.

        14. Yeah youd need a semi auto to hit anything. Get back to jerking off to Chris Kyle in the corner, gun phag.

        15. Sounds more like the homo case is you, the way your shit brain hardwired to revert to faggotry and repeat it 100x.

        16. My FFL dealer not only plans his life around them, he also feeds his family, pay his bills and makes his livelihood from selling them, and their components…. to losers like you.. so explain again what elevates you, “a lover of firearms, who reloads and shoots” from the guy standing behind you with the same interest?….Don’t be THAT guy, the one who thinks his snobbery makes him more credible then the guy in line behind him.

        17. My BS meter is spiking.. Not only are you NOT a gun owner.. But no dealer would give you the time of day, .. For all your fabricated “gun talk”, your attitude proves that you are just a liberal troll, who dispenses firearms. Gun shops around the country escort you schmucks out the door in droves ( by the shirt collar if need be )

        18. Keep telling yourself what I am, I own over a dozen. Was working on refinishing the furniture on mah AK last night, to flip for profit to you tactical gun faggots when Hillary takes office and the panic sets in. Im an avid RoK reader, dig accuracy above all else, and both my foreign wife & I dig Trump. Now go fuck yaself.

        19. Yes I have a problem with the tactical gun crowd, the posers who couldnt even rattle a pop can with open sights on a .22. Your ffl dealer makes a killing off these fucks and we all know it, they deserve to be fleeced of their money. Just look at the industry, it’s all about tactical shit these days, no emphasis on being a rifleman and actually honing your skill.

        20. Right..it’s the internet….you keep pretending you know what your talking about.. and everyone else will pretend to believe you…
          You have me convinced thats for sure…..and it looks like you talked everyone else into believing you too… what a chump you are, a real hard rock, Mr. reloader type of guy.
          tell us all again about how content you are with yur bolt action, and yur special foreign wife.. you know.. because we are all so impressed with your story about how special and exceptional you are.

        21. Tactical civilian SEAL AR-15 sounds like he ran outta shit to talk. If you had any taste in your weapons youd pick up some woodworking skill too, rather than clipping on flashlights and suppressors.

        1. you…..don’t…..know………if Kratom……..is STRONG enough? I am shocked you didn’t drop dead just typing that.

    1. From the “brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan” to whom that Rambo movie took pains to show that it was dedicated.

      1. As a kid i loved Rambo. He was one of my heroes. Rambo III is one of those historical ironies that makes you wonder…Different times, different needs, different enemies. But it is not true that the States created the Talibans as many said with this intervention.

        1. I’ve always wondered about the actual blame for the Taliban as while I agree that we didn’t create it, by doing what the USA does best and failing to support its allied Third World foreign leaders we let it gain power for ~30 years.
          I’ll cut Nixon some slack as he was a bit too busy perhaps to stop the coup in Afghanistan but ole Leslie and Carter had plenty of time on their hands to have dealt with that.

    2. You can trade a goat to the ragheads in Afghanistan and they’ll hook you up with one.

  4. The firearms industry makes up a $31.8 billion chunk of the US economy, up from 27.8 billion three years ago.
    Do you think Hillary can afford to shut it down? Think again. All that fearmongering is only designed to make you buy even more of it. This article does the same. The figures confirm it.
    If you think the government is scared of people owning guns? Think again. They have bigger and better guns plus armed people will only be a threat if they could organize themselves in a army. Somehow, I don’t see that happening with a low T male populace.
    So in conclusion, do buy a gun if it makes you feel manly but you’re not a threat to anyone but your foot or any unfortunate folks around you.

    1. You could not say it better. More than one gun (for fun, self-defense and sport) is totally useless. These people fall in the constant trap of “they are taking our gunz”, gunz they will never use against any government or political institution. Gun manufacturers and stakeholders are laughing at their faces.
      French people don’t have guns and are capable of blocking the entire country to stop the passing of new unfair labor regulation. In the end, what matters is collective coordination and having balls, not guns in a closet. Last but not least, having guns without back-logistics is totally useless.
      PS: Which percent of US gun owners are organized in militias/train regularly? Which percent of US gun owners are fit enough for sustained combat? I recall 70% of adult Americans are obese or overweight.

      1. Yeah, right, sure we are. You “recall” from other blogs where people sneer “70% of adult Americans are obese lol!”

        1. More than 1 in 3 adults are considered to be obese.
          Only 1 in 3 is obese. That’s bad, but it’s 33%.
          Overweight as they define it is thus:

          Overweight refers to an excess amount of body weight that may come from muscles, bone, fat, and water.1

        2. While I won’t argue that many Americans have weight problems I will say that BMI is not always the most accurate indicator here because it doesn’t take body fat percentage into account.
          By the end of my winter bulk my BMI will absolutely be high and maybe even boarder obese but that is because I will have packed on a shit ton of muscle as well

        3. I know. I said that 2/3 are overweight or obese, both categories together. I accept lolknee’s remark about BMI, though.

        4. I have used natural diuretics mostly made of dandelion. It doesn’t really give a long term solution but if you are going to be at a pool party in a vegas hotel it’s just terrific

      2. French people are targets for invading muslims. If its gets worse than it is now muslim terrorists will have the supply lines for more bombs and AK-47s while the French natives will need to rely on protection from the same government that’s importing these animals.

        1. Croats did not have weapons at the beginning of the war. Weapons appeared progressively from the black market. No worries, what will matter is their ethnic purity and their eventual balls to face the muslim.
          PS: no need to add the word terrorist after muslim. All muslims on Western soil are our enemy.

      3. The afghans have been giving the Americans and the russians hell with 100 year old enfield rifles. They have zero training.

        1. Zero training? They are trained in schools how to fight. These people shoot since they are 10 years old.

        2. Most of them look like they are training to invade a middle school. Hours of monkey bars

        1. I don’t understand why they have been so tough with you. It perfectly makes sense. Honestly, I think that weapons in the US are just a cultural item/realpolitik agenda item, not a real political option from the part of the people. Americans having weapons and Europeans not having them does not make that much difference at all, then.

        2. Most people are uncomfortable with the truth. And you are absolutely right, if people want to get armed the black market will gladly provide when needed.

    2. Seriously, you should refrain from making comments about subjects with which you have zero familiarity. There are topics I stay out of because I’m unfamiliar with the content, and I advise that path to you.
      Whenever I hear people go on about guns, I can deduce a lot about their own inner psyche. For example, a pro-gun person who states “We should all have firearms for safety purposes as they help fend off aggressive predator type individuals”, I can safely deduce that he himself holds a confident position in his own abilities.
      Conversely, when I hear somebody state how “If we let people have guns they’ll go around shooting people”, I generally safely deduce that this person himself has low impulse control issues and projects his own desire to kill if given a chance, onto others, sees how dangerous his actions could be, and recoils in fear because he suspects “everybody is like me”.
      When I hear you speak about “not a threat to anyone but your foot or any other unfortunate folks around you”, I deduce that you’re innately incompetent in most tasks in life and project that fear out onto the general populace. I can bolster this observation by the well noted fact that you continually post conspiracy after conspiracy after conspiracy and seem to have a huge fear of anything outside of the four walls that you live in (which hey, might be bugged too!). Literally nothing is “your fault” and you’re “never wrong”. If something comes up to show you’re wrong, you get mad, stomp away and mutter about “Them!”
      If you think “organize themselves into an army” is how you win an internal war in the U.S. then I, as a trained military intelligence operative (back in the day) who supported some very talented special operations in day to day out in the field, can tell immediately that you have ZERO idea what you’re talking about, you have NO idea what it really takes to take on an organized government and that you are utterly CLUELESS about guns in general, and that’s before we even begin to discuss tactics, strategies and techniques.
      Stay out of discussions where you’re ignorant. It will be better for you that way.

      1. Following that logic, I should stop training in martial arts because I’ll just wind up hurting myself and will probably wind up kicking random strangers around me. You never know when my legs might just lose it and start kicking!

        1. Yes, his statement also belies a fear of self responsibility.
          “I’m irresponsible, ergo, others are, ergo, if they have guns they’ll be a danger to others around them through their irresponsibility”

        2. You use real guns in paintball? Dude, that’s hard core.

        3. Learning how to fight, and understanding how to organize, train and equip at a strategic, operational, and even tactical level are essentially apples and oranges.
          There’s a reason green berets spend YEARS learning how to do this stuff.

        4. A huge swath of the American gun owning population are vets. So yeah.

        5. Ah, right, the “rub some dirt in it” school of medicine. Heh.

        6. I was only addressing his last statement about how people with guns are going to wind up shooting themselves in the foot or shoot anyone around them. GOJ handled the rest.

        7. You don’t want to end up giving yourself a boot in the kiester or a knee to the groin, or even accidentally grabbing some heckling mangina by his pussy…

        8. Kicking random people as a consequence of martial arts training might be a real condition…if not, Steven Segal doesn’t have an excuse.

        9. Literally (literary hitler) made me laugh. Also, Brian is always down to bang sluts. Love it.

        10. That would scare the opponent if he saw it – nothing like being able to knock someone out with an uppercut to the chin (his chin), with your knee.

        11. No but the ones that will shoot somebody snd does it, its so easy for them to get guns. You have so many shootings in your country, here some like that never happens. Its easier to shoot somebody than karate kill some.

        12. You are right on the mark. In fact, I can tell you it is my own ineptitude that keeps me from getting handgun without training. The same reason I don’t have a chainsaw or nail gun!
          It was only through conscious effort that I stopped projecting that on others!

        13. Guns can embolden the lazy, impulsive and/or stupid. That is a danger. But these traits are most common among criminals, who would obtain weapons anyway, legally or not.

        14. But thet cant easily if it was only the police and millitary that could own guns and for
          Hunting you needed a major check to buy one and only one.

      2. “Stay out of discussions where you’re ignorant. It will be better”……There aren’t any.

      3. “If we let people have guns they’ll go around shooting people”
        Bit of a departure from the topic, but it kind of warmed my heart to see one of my former students from Ukraine post this on FB today. I don’t read Ukrainian perfectly, but it say something like “Ukrainians can legally purchase all of these at a gun store…yet we can’t own a pistol because, obviously, if we could, we’d start shooting each other.”
        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/046341e0f648f1a58eef06ebae8a67599b190b1d6a3775573328856055f04217.jpg

      4. I just want to see what you’ll do if/when they come to confiscate your guns.
        FYI, I’ve been in the army myself and know enough about guns. Now I only go hunting for food. Your guns are toys for boys who refuse to grow up.

        1. I didn’t indicate that I gave a shit if you responded. Your words are unnecessary and force 10 stupid. You are outclassed and out gunned in this discussion, exit or embarrass yourself more. Your call, Leftist.
          And I sincerely doubt that you were in the military (your lack of tactical and strategic knowledge is telling) and I suspect you’ve never hunted a day in your life, let alone picked up a firearm except in a video game.

        2. Wow, you sound a tad angry there chief. What’s up?
          And do tell, how did you conclude that I lack tactical and strategic knowledge. To avoid confusion, I did not serve in the US army.

      5. This is a very good post!
        As a well established 2nd amendment person in comments why don’t you submit stuff to ROK for publication? You have writing skills, humor and expertise.
        Maybe a mock up of what a citizenry under attack from an organized gov’t has in the way of practical resistance options.

    3. How’d the great big tough old US Government do against scattered illiterate knuckleheads armed with rifles in Afghanistan and Iraq? Walked right over ’em huh?
      Nope. We lost both of those wars, badly. Hillary’s too stupid to grasp that but she’ll never run anything. Her handlers will just give her some staff to scream and throw things at when she’s not “confused”, and they’ll run the country without her.
      If they’re stupid enough to try it, they can’t possibly win, and the American people will get pretty damn sick of it in a few years. An Iraq war in Iraq is bad enough. Having it in your own state is a nightmare.
      Did you say “Bring it on”? A famous man said that once and lived to regret it.

      1. The US military didn’t fight to win in Iraq and Afghanistan, just like in Vietnam, it wasn’t permitted to.

        1. The world doesn’t allow for victory in war these days. Apparently letting grievances fester and infect is better than amputating a dead limb.

        2. No better way to keep up perpetual warfare.
          If we slaughtered their men and took their women and razed their fields, who would we have to fight in a few decades? And what fun is that?

        3. Are you including the possibility for nuclear weapons? I honestly cannot see a US victory in Vietnam at all.

        4. I cannot see one that sees the U.S. survive. But I can see one where the world dies.

        5. Well the russians fought to win in Afghanistan and the russians eventually just gave up. An armed population absolutely demoralizes an occupying force.

        6. How many million locals do you think you’d have to massacre before the survivors start supporting the massacres?
          Hint: It doesn’t work that way.
          You guys are like the conmunists, claiming the only reason your ideas fail 100% of the time is that somebody did it wrong. No. If it always fails, it’s retarded. If nobody could ever make it work, nobody WILL ever make it work.

        7. “certain interests” were absolutely victorious in Vietnam. Winning and losing wars is not longer the purview of nations states, but of economic forces.

        8. The Russians fought against the CIA in Afghanistan, and had economic turmoil at home. That was their undoing.
          If the CIA hadn’t been providing the backward goat humpers with training on how to not kill themselves with RPGs & mortars, and furnishing them with state-of-the-art weaponry, the Ruskies would’ve routed the Afghans.
          Looking back, maybe we should’ve let them. Since we-the USA-decided that supporting the legitimate, sensible government of Afghanistan wasn’t worthwhile, letting the commies have it could’ve have been worse than letting the muslim fanatics have it.

        9. No, not considering nukes. The USA never lost a battle in Vietnam.
          We knew where the enemy was and how he functioned, we weren’t allowed to end him…idiots in command, politicians and a hostile US press did us in.
          Though in a sense the USA actually did win the war as now Vietnam is becoming the “next China” and is being used as a sweatshop nation to make all of our crap on the cheap.

        10. Oh, so you’re saying we should have killed the entire population (for no reason whatsoever). Because that’s what it would have taken.
          Of course, that would be completely pointless, absurdly expensive, and insane, not to mention evil. But “evil, pointless, absurdly expensive, and insane” is probably your idea of sound policy. That seems to be the “center” in American politics now. If you don’t have shit for brains, you’re an “extremist”.

    4. “If you think the government is scared of people owning guns? Think again. They have bigger and better guns”
      Not a big reader of history huh?
      And I’ll say it again for the cheap seats; I will die on my feet a free man in defense of liberty than be enslaved by effeminate men and their transgendered agenda.
      So I see your drones and tanks and proclaim; bring it tyrants!

      1. Yep. The goat fucking afghans with their 100 year old enfields have proven that an army with bigger and better guns can be absolutely shut down.

    5. Clinton wants to make gun manufacturers liable for every firearm they sell, so in other words, if johny shoots timmy with a Remington 870, timmy’s family can sue Remington for millions,.. now imagine that on a massive scale with incidents like accidental shooting, suicides, homicides, and firearm related injuries, and the Firearms companies will go bankrupt from all the lawsuits… it’s basically backdoor gun control.

      1. Clinton Tops List Of Arms Company Campaign Contributions
        Hillary Clinton has received more money from arms and military service companies than any other candidate during the 2016 presidential campaign, data from Open Secrets shows.
        All but one of the world’s 10 biggest arms producers have contributed to Clinton’s previous campaigns, giving her — along with the top Republican receiver Ted Cruz — a significant margin over the other candidates.
        The numbers, collected by the Federal Election Commission and compiled by Open Secrets, also reveal that Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders make the list of top 20 senators and top six presidential candidates to receive money from arms and defense companies.
        http://www.mintpressnews.com/clinton-tops-list-of-arms-company-donations-this-content-was-originally-published-by-telesur-at-the-following-address-httpwww-telesurtv-netenglishnewsclinton-tops-list-of-arms-company-donat/212084/

      1. It’s pretty dumb but I still think it comes in behind sex being painful and traumatic to the body.
        Father of Three smh. I really hope this guy isn’t actually a father. Failing that I hope it is daughters. Adding to the new crop of girls with daddy issues is always a good thing

    6. “Do you think Hillary can afford to shut it down?”
      Take a look at recent laws passed in California and New York.
      “They have bigger and better guns plus armed people will only be a threat if they could organize themselves in a army.”
      How long has the U.S. been in Afghanistan and Iraq so far?

    7. Uh, you did notice the con they pulled on their big donor pharmaceutical and health insurance companies with Obamacare, right?
      Selling them the rope to hang themselves. All those donations thinking they were pushing a program that pharm/insurance could feed off of— instead, it’s draining them, they’re getting blamed for it not working, when the whole time it was designed to put them out of business and turn it all over to the government.

      1. She might be playing them up as she does with her alleged illness but it’s undeniable that her anti-gum campaign helps them to sell more guns.

  5. What about a HK416, its civilian version MR556 or one of its clones? Anybody here that shot or owns one of those?

    1. Ive shot several of mr556 rifles. Ive also shot the ruger sr556 which is basically the same damn thing at half the price. My personal opinion is that they are a little heavy on the front end for me. But thats just my personal preference, ive always liked light weight carbines.
      The piston system is nice if you are running a supressor in an sbr configuration. Piston rifles and supressors are great together.
      But, If you just want a 16″ barreled rifle and have no plans for a supressor, i think you would be better off with an premium end ar15 build.

    1. Ammo like that only exists to push sales to preppers. Nothing is truly better than standard rounds.

      1. Standard for shotguns, hollow point for rifles and sidearms. If you need more, you’re agin’ zombies, and that ain’t no good.

  6. Very good article luke.
    ….
    Id add , if possible, one should get an ar and an ak. Become familar with both.

    Nice solid 12 gauge has multitude of uses.
    ….
    I like that you explained some of the differences between a carbine like arak and a larger caliber rifle. .
    ..
    Slightly disappointed you didnt mention ptr 91 or similar.
    ….
    What does anyone think of a taurus judge?
    I like the idea pf having a handful of nice defensive 410s ready.

    1. The delayed roller blowback G3 family is in one of the rifle articles linked. That 2k word cap hurts me so.

  7. It used to be that a man was REQUIRED to have at least one gun in his home (still the case in Switzerland). It seems hard to be able to call yourself a man if you don’t have weapons to defend yourself, your propert, and your family.
    It may be a little off topic, but women shouldn’t be allowed to buy guns. Studies done by the Marines have shown women are not as good a shot and it gives them the idea they should join the military and police where they’ve done nothing but deteriorate and degenerate our security forces. In addition how often do you hear about women leaving guns around, especially in their cars, and then getting shot by their kids, I’ve counted three this year (in Florida and Milwaukee).

    1. Yeah, I tend to agree. I think I’ve only met one chick who I think is safe enough to go to a range.
      The last time I went to the range, there was one in there who flagged all of us with a shotgun.
      You can imagine how well that went.

      1. I can, at a small range I use to go to the owner’s brother brought his daughter, who couldn’t have been much older than ten, she was swerving her gun all around and it went off, we were lucky it was pointed at the ground but only another foot and my grandfather would have lost a leg. I never went back there because afterwards this guy was joking how he was going to keep bringing her there with bigger guns.

        1. Yup, my rule is is they can understand and demonstrate weapons safety to me with an unloaded weapon, then they’ll be safe if properly supervised on the range.
          I’d also add limp wristed guys to the whole “not bringing them anywhere near a firearm or range”.
          They’re even worse in my opinion.

        2. I run rifle shoots at my ranch and the most dangerous group with guns is overconfident men who “know what theyre doing”. Women are actually easier to train because the ladies that are nervous or scared will see you as an authority figure and do exactly what you say.
          Limp wristed faggots, fat chicks, and strong headed masculine tomboy types are never invited to shoot with me.

      2. Reminds me of my friends 13 yo daughter – a champion at clay shooting, absolutely chilling to behold…

  8. 3 in shells are overkill for most people. It’s hard enough as it is with 12 ga not to develop a flinch. Stick with the old 2 3/4″. Are you saying 9 balls of .33 aren’t enough? Also considering the low capacity of most shotguns, that extra shell gained from using 2 3/4 vs 3 in might mean a hell of a lot.

  9. 6. A .50 cal rifle. Stopping power in this case refers to how big of a vehicle it can put down.

  10. What? Only FIVE?
    That’s … that’s … UNAMERICAN to restrict yourself like that!
    (grin)
    As they say, if you can count your guns, you don’t have enough.

  11. I picked up a 10/22 in law school, I enjoy its ease of use, and it helps me retain my fundamentals.
    That said, I went with the Mosin nagant for date night at the range. It actually went pretty well.

  12. If I were an american citizen, my choices will be:
    1. Glock 17 or Beretta 92 or Sig226
    2. AA12.
    3. G36.
    4. MP7
    5. AK-47/74

    1. 1. Colt 1991A1 Series 80, custom ceramic grips, custom trigger
      2. KSG – Accept no substitutes
      3. StG-58 (7.62x51mm)
      4. Ruger 22/45 Lite (.22 LR pistol with silencer threading)

      1. Sorry for my ignorance (I learn about guns in the internet and seeing gun porn in youtube, here is impossible to buy guns, blah blah blah): the SGT is a parent/variant of the HKG3?
        I’m familiar with the G3 because I did my service in the army here and they used G3 before changing to Galil.

        1. StG 58 is the Austrian version of the FN FAL (or if you’re British or Australian, the L1A1)

        2. Most G3 variants have some sort of 91 in their name after the HK 91, which is a civilian model. PTR 91 is a clone, and also some are called CETME after the collaboration that designed the G3. I have a 91 and a 93; they are heavy and mean and the triggers are awful, but they will run till the apocalypse.

        3. The rifle is nearly perfect as a battle rifle. The only bad thing I’ve heard about it is that it may not do well in temps around -20 or less without some kind of graphite lubricant. That being said, what gun does good at -20F or less without graphite lubricant, and second, why in the fuck would somebody live in a place where -20F was a regular thing?

        4. I asked because, for my very untrained eyes, the lines of the SGT are similar to the G3 (I’m not an expert, here is impossible to buy guns legally and the only ones available are small guns).
          In my service int he army I used both G3 and Galil; and yes, the old timers swear by the G3 and despise the Galil. My country made a deal with (((Israel))) so we have our own manufacturing plant and we are producing our own Galil and, at least, we are not giving a lot of shekels to (((them))).
          Incidentally, could you of GhostOfJefferson tell me if it is true that the Galil is one of the best AK variants?

        5. Yeah, but at least we have our own manufacturing plant, so we are not buying them from (((Israel)))….

        6. Yeah, but I bet your local plant has to pay (((them))) (((royalties))) or at least a manufacturing licensing (((fee))).
          On second thought, has anyone heard of a good A-rab made weapon? I mean, besides a gang of rapey-dick?

        7. Turkey actually makes some scary stuff (way harder than HK replicas), but Turks aren’t A-rabs (neither are Iranians aka Persians).

      2. Ghost, you’re a mean mofo, but I do love my Benelli just fine. Maybe I shall get a KSG as well.

        1. My son’s first over/under 12 was a Benelli. Bought it with his own money at age 13 from a lot of snow shoveling. Fine firearm, I like the quality.

      3. 1. Pistol….Cz p09
        2. Shotgun….After reading your comments, i will have to purchase the ksg. I have a vepr 12, fun gun but i don’t trust it.
        3. Carbine…modern ar15.
        4. Battle rifle… “The right arm of the free world”.
        5. Rimfire…just a dedicated 22 upper for an ar15. It has to be a mirrored configuration of my main carbine for training purposes.
        **Bonus…precision rifle. The new ruger precision rifle is a magnificent piece of engineering. Best trigger ive ever used.

        1. Rimfire AR conversions are usually bad news. I run firing lines for two organizations, and we see the most rimfire problems with conversions, then actual 22s tricked out to look like ARs, then normal 22s. Recommend you simply get a good 22 and practice shooting with it. All the “AR Stuff” training, other than some actual trigger time, can be done without shooting at home (mag changes, safety drills, position drills.)

        2. Yeah, I did have to mess with my dedicated upper to get it running reliably. Its solid now, but you are correct, the average person might be better off with a mp15-22 for training purposes or just getting a reliable bolt gun. My dedicated upper is mirrored after my sbr and i run a supressor on both. The backpressure helps the dedicated 22 upper run better too.
          For training purposes, the 22 has improved my skills exponentially. Im lucky enough to have land, steel targets, vtac barriers, and everything i need to train. The 22 upper allows me to train dirt cheap and allows me to shoot steel safely at much closer ranges. I like doing moving and shooting drills with the 22. Simply stuff like walking and shooting and vtac barrier drills is very easy to practice this way.
          There are two problems with training with 22 uppers that must be addressed. One, there is no bolt hold open on dedicated 22 uppers. So no speed reload drills or any of that bs. Two, there is no recoil at all. You cheat yourself when you shoot fast with a 22 because a normal ar has a completely different recoil impulse. So i never do double taps or rapid fire drills with my 22 upper. I slow down and focus on smooth first shots with good mechanics.

    2. Unfortunately, we cant own a g36, mp7, or an aa12 over here in usa unless we have a manufacturers license, a great legal team, or a massive wad of cash.
      The g36 was never imported into america. Hk released the sl8 (sporterized g36) to the american market, and it is possible to spend $5k to convert an sl8 to a g36, but the conversions tend to suck.
      The aa12, ive maybe only seen 3 in my whole life. They are very rare and expensive.
      The mp7, cant get it. Private citizens can only own full autos registered prior to 1986. So no mp7 unless you are an hk dealer to law enforcement agencies.

  13. Caption typo: You have the Single Six labeled double action.
    Love my 10-22. Good article. Reminds me I need to get to the range more.

    1. Good catch on the revolver. I skimmed past the pictures.

    2. The revolver pictured is not a single six, rather it’s a piece of shit Western Auto. My single six was not available for a picture.

      1. It still looks single. Is it really a double? I thought it was a Single Six as well.

        1. It’s a POS, is what it is. I’ll take a picture of it, and it’s actually missing a couple parts as I had it a little disassembled. It uses a lockup at the front centerline of the cylinder and the parts off of it are an under-barrel plunger similar to a single action’s shell ejector, except it pulls the lock forward instead of pushing it back.
          Only .22 pistol I had here, so it got the photo duty.

      1. Your country’s gun laws have fucked yourselves up mighty good. The damage is probably permanent.
        San Ysidro
        Killeen
        Columbine
        Virginia Tech
        Aurora
        Newtown
        San Bernardino
        Isla Vista
        Dallas
        Chicago (every day)….
        The list goes on…
        The 2nd Amendment: equipping whackjobs with an arsenal since 1791!

        1. Your list is comprised of the mentally ill and criminals. If guns were “fucking things up” so badly then with over 1/3 of the American population owning firearms you’d think its WW3 on the streets everyday by your logic. With all the guns floating around in America we have an incredibly civil society.
          Fact is you’re scared of guns and don’t want others to have them because of your inability to understand the importance of self reliability…that includes defense. I can’t fathom living in a society that everything is distributed to you by the government, including security, and I certainly won’t listen to people who live in those societies informing me about “gun violence” ruining my nation.
          So, in short, fuck off commie.

        2. Hm. Interesting thing about your list is that by law, all the victims were unarmed.
          So– the laws had their intended, since it is their only possible one, affect of disarming the law-abiding.

        3. Not scared, not a commie, just grateful I live in a country where there are no mass shootings in public on unarmed citizens whose only mistake was being in the wrong place at the wrong time. You could set your watch to the frequency of these events now. US gun laws ALLOW the mentally ill AND criminals to commit such acts. I’m sure the rate of safe gun ownership is very high. But any freakshow can get a gun as well and you refuse to acknowledge that. The rest of the world looks at you with amused pity.

    1. Given the racist history of gun control in the US, apparently the fear of ‘what could go wrong’ is that the oppressed minorities might rise up against the dem machine. Originally, the KKK/Dem machine post civil war, more recently the dem welfare inner city machine.

    2. Well at least we know that gun control totally works, given the 600-odd murders in gun-controlled Chicago so far this year.

  14. A 22 rim fire with a subsonic round is virtually a silent weapon. This has definite tactical advantages.
    Related to the above is that firearms have a definite disadvantage when it comes to sound. It gives away your position and can temporarily deafen you when used indoors. In a multiple agent attack, you will not hear entry points being violated after you discharge your weapon or an assailant approaching outside of your field of view.
    For the above reason I recommend silent kill options such as bows. An enemy does not know that you have fired upon its agents. In many instances, the ammunition is also recyclable.

    1. How potent is the 22 rimfire though? As the black community, and perhaps most famously 50 Cent, demonstrates daily, people can be shot at can’t-miss range with ostensibly more potent guns and survive.

      1. Shit happens. Years ago a South Carolina State Trooper who was wearing a vest was shot one time with a POS 22 pocket pistol and was killed. Before dying of his wound he shot the suspect 6 times with a 357 and the suspect lived and as far as I know is still in prison.

    2. This is why I own a Ruger 22/45 Lite. Built for silencers.
      Bows are great, true, but one bad shot and you’re heard around the world if you don’t have a can on the front of your BUG.

  15. Shotgun is overkill. You guys seen the ISIS shotgun execution video of three men?
    Their head exploded like a watermelon. I think for me, pistol is enough.
    Are we trying to prepare for some sort of apocalypse here? lol
    or a race war?
    I will take a battle axe, broad sword and a pistol as last resort. One bullet. For myself …..just in case.

    1. Ok, but what if the victims had the shotguns? Multiple assailants; you might not get a fair fight. Plus, shotguns are fun for flying targets, too.

    2. “Are we trying to prepare for some sort of apocalypse here? lol
      or a race war?”
      A shotgun would be pretty limited in either of these.

    3. Confrontations are fluid things, positions change, at short distances time frames are fractions of seconds.
      Interesting site on times for drawing/firing and reacting to a draw and fire:
      http://www.forcescience.org/demos.html
      Realize the times for a suspect were times for college students unfamiliar with firearms, with practice the times would drop.
      You may only get one shot. The more damage a round can do increases the odds in your favor.
      I’m trying to end the threat as quickly as possible, minimizing the risk to myself and others I am responsible for.

      1. “I’m trying to end the threat as quickly as possible, minimizing the risk to myself and others I am responsible for.”
        ^
        I can’t disagree with that.

  16. I just want to say, whenever possible buy firearms and ammunition from AMERICAN company’s. Keep our American firearms company’s in business by purchasing from them.
    As for 22s there is the Ruger 10-22 and the Single Six then, there’s everything else. Those have to be among the most reliable and durable firearms ever manufactured.

  17. Friends, pistols flat out suck in terms of ballistic performance; they
    are literally one-third of a rifle in terms of cartridge power, action
    robustness, and accuracy and energy of flight.

    Which is why I found it fascinating that the “Gun that Won the West”, the Winchester Model 1873, was firing the same ammunition as the six-shooters of the day.
    Nowadays a rifle that fires pistol ammunition would be more like a novelty but back in “the day” such a rifle was all the rage.

    1. They can still be had, I’ve never understood why they aren’t more popular.
      The TNW Areo Rifle available in 9mm,40S&W,45ACP AND the good old 10mm auto they all take Glock pistol mags.
      Carbine length barrels produce higher velocities along with a longer sight radius and improved accuracy over a pistol length barrel with the same cartridge. You can still get 38/357mag, 44mag and 45LC lever action carbines to go along with your double or single action revolver. I wouldn’t feel under gunned while so equipped.

    2. Indeed. “Modern rifle” might have been a better choice of words. Depending on the handgun cartridge’s burn rate, you will usually get better performance out of it in a carbine than in a pistol, simply due to the powder having more time to work on the bullet before it loses the gas seal at the end of the barrel.
      Many of the early black powder cartridges could be shot out of both, but, as cartridge tech was developed, rifle performance did as well. That being said, if you like silly things, I’ve seen a .270 Winchester bolt action pistol.

    3. We hunt with straight walled cartridge rifles still in Ohio. If you have a Winchester in 45 Colt (or .44 mag) you’re good to hunt. It’s a niche market.

    4. In a limited-ammo situation, if I needed a rifle and a pistol, I’d look at something like a lever-action rifle shooting something like .45 Long Colt or .357 Magnum, and couple that with a wheel gun in the same caliber for a pistol. Good close-in knockdown power from the strong pistol and respectable range and accuracy out to 100+ yards for game. Not as good as, say, a 30-06 or .308 bolt-action with a good scope for longer ranges, but the advantage in having one ammo caliber might outweigh the shorter range. It’s all dependent on your situation.
      That having been said, learn to reload and get lots of powder, primers, and projectiles. Make sure you have reloadable brass and know how to clean and trim it. And watch the mil-surp ammo – most Com-bloc stuff is steel-cased and can NOT be reloaded. If you find a common powder for your rifle calibers, all the better. (H4895, H335, IMR4895, or BL-C(2) are generally good all-around powders – YMMV)

  18. 2 cents – I would add that if someone is purchasing firearms with the potential for any number of shft situations in the back of their mind, there are other things to consider about versatility. I’m partial to Glocks because a lot of their most popular models have interchangeable parts. Since it is the service weapon of most police departments as well as one of the most popular civilian handguns this makes it a great choice. As for shotguns I opted for a standard remington 870 express pump and bought an aftermarket 18in barrel. I keep the short barrel on for defense and slap on the 28in when I want to take game. Location should play a part in firearm choice; I live in the rural south so taking quail and dove is something I have to consider as a plentiful food source. Good luck doing that with a KSG. I don’t have an AR and don’t intend to, not practical for me. It may not be as cool but I have a Marlin 336 lever in good ol’ 30-30 in this spot. May not have the capacity but it’s a popular rifle in my area and ideal for the dense brush/short l-o-s of my local terrain and tends to kill whatever it hits. Mosins are neat rifles, but good luck finding any 7.62×54 if supply chains stop. The M1 being the more plentiful 30-06 would be a better choice imo but you have to stock up on strip clips for either. Bolt rifle in 308 or 30-06 is hard to beat. Military snipers have agreed for 70 years

  19. For plain coolness and shit-in-the-pants appeal, you can’t beat a Taurus Judge (.45 / .410 shotshell), the Magnum Research Desert Eagle semiauto (.50), or the Kavan “Kracker” shotgun pistol with rotating drum.

    1. Are rotating drums legal in some parts of the US? I thought they were outlawed but that just may be some states only.

      1. CA bans as AW’s –
        “…
        (c) All of the following specified shotguns:

        (3) The Streetsweeper type S/S Inc. SS/12.

        (8) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder
        I think the ‘Streetsweeper’ is a revolving cylinder shotgun and what you’re thinking of as ‘rotating drums’

  20. My own list:
    CC Pistol- Springfield XDS
    Duty Cary Pistol- Kimber 1911
    Semi-Auto Shotgun- Saiga 12
    Carbine/BR- FAL SA58
    Distance/Power/Hunting Rifle- Chris​tense​n ​6.5 Cree​dmoor

  21. Glock 23 9mm – get 33 round magazines if legal in your state. Get a Kel Tec 2000 for versatility. Magazine interchangeable.
    Siaga semi auto 12 gauge shotgun – get the 50 round drum if legal in your state.
    AR-15 with nice scope on the rails – get max clip size that is legal in your state.
    AK-47 with largest magazine legal in your state. Get buckets of ammo. Steel casings OK.
    For the womenfolk get revolvers of a lower caliber. AR-15’s with a collapsible stock also are a good options. If not pump action Remmingtons are the way to go. Keep the barrel short.
    Pocket guns are no joke as a backup weapon. A Khar MP9 is not a bad one to keep. Great six shots but make sure to break it in as the slide is a bitch and tight until you put 100+ rounds down the pipe.
    If you are in an actual firefight keep at least one extra mag on you.

    1. I think the largest Saiga 12 drums are the MD-20 and the Wraithmaker, both being 20 round drums. You don’t want to hang 50 shotshells off your magazine catch, it’s too heavy. The Wraithmaker sucks, as well. My MD-20 took a little filing, but it fits the gun well now.

      1. I like to 50 round drum. I mean if you are in a combat situation you are just going to be cranking off rounds. I would never hunt with it (not that it is legal to do so) but if I have a few hundred dindus coming to burn down my house I would love to have one locked and loaded.

        1. My bad. There are 30 round drums. But I know I have seen guys with 50 round drums. Maybe they were custom.

        1. thats the gun they should be using in movie scenes when there is a shoot out and the good guy is under intense fire but seems to fire off lots more shots than the clip. Though Ive noticed in the last decade movie directors have been doing a better job of keeping it real for shot count.

  22. For all those boys who fear that wicked old witch Hillary will take your little toys away, worry no more and read this:
    Clinton Tops List Of Arms Company Campaign Contributions
    Hillary Clinton has received more money from arms and military service companies than any other candidate during the 2016 presidential campaign, data from Open Secrets shows.
    All but one of the world’s 10 biggest arms producers have contributed to Clinton’s previous campaigns, giving her — along with the top Republican receiver Ted Cruz — a significant margin over the other candidates.
    The numbers, collected by the Federal Election Commission and compiled by Open Secrets, also reveal that Rand Paul and Bernie Sanders make the list of top 20 senators and top six presidential candidates to receive money from arms and defense companies.
    http://www.mintpressnews.com/clinton-tops-list-of-arms-company-donations-this-content-was-originally-published-by-telesur-at-the-following-address-httpwww-telesurtv-netenglishnewsclinton-tops-list-of-arms-company-donat/212084/

    1. Yeah.Yeah. Yeah.
      Win or lose, when Shrillary inevitably tries to get more gun control legislation passed, you must promise to eat your shoe… after you’ve stepped in a pile of shit.

      1. Haha, here comes the first one in denial. Who’s next? GoJ? LOL
        Don’t you see? They pay her to fear monger and make you buy more guns which is showing in the statistics of increased demand in recent years.

        1. Hillary Clinton has made her stance on personal firearms very clear over the years. Her spoken statements have now been backed up with some of her emailed statements,such as hoping to stack the Supreme Court with justices that will overturn rulings regarding individual rights to firearms ownership.
          One would think that someone such as yourself who sees a conspiracy around every corner would be able to see that, however the fact that you are a moron clouds your vision.

        2. Here comes another in denial, whose only ammunition are personal attacks. Don’t you have proper guns to play with?
          Forget what she says, she is a politician. Follow the money.

        3. She is as crooked as they come. Campaign contributions are to curry favor, sometimes it works sometimes not. However only a moron would believe that firearms companies contribute to Hillary in order to help her win so that the people will be afraid of forthcoming legislation and buy more guns……..moron.

        4. And why wouldn’t they? It seems to work for them.
          And stop projecting with the word moron.

        5. Stop attempting to project your effiminate insecurities onto men who own firearms.

    2. Gun phobia/hatred – check
      Thinks sex with women is painful/bad – check
      “Jews!” – check
      Everybody is out to get me – check
      Despises capitalism – check
      Stuff it, Leftist.

      1. He has one of the most unintentionally funny comments i have ever seen below. See if you can guess which. It displays a almost superhero level ability not to be able to grapple with logic and it is in the form of a compliment.

      2. The only check there is the Jews and even that is not entirely true. Ordinary Jews are being played up as much as everyone else. When I say Jews I mean the elite that hides behind them.

  23. Excellent choices of guns.. But I might add one of those small pocket types that people look down on. like a Derringer. Great for answering the door with hands in pockets !. I have been surprised as I talk to people lately. They are arming because they are pissed.
    I have used my pump action pellet to take out and skin squirrels for grilling. That is the ultimate discretion. Can shoot meat from window. One eye on the TV, one eye out the window on the lawn. Cut a little slit in the window screen so barrel can go through. Remember, open window guietly as squirrels and rabbits panic.
    High level of arming is good as long as people do not lash out. And fortunately, they do not. Angry middle class just goes to work and prepares. When a riot comes, I think they will be ready.
    I am glad I have neighbors with guns mostly.But that is not enough. People need to prep with food and the like. And grow gardens.
    Can’t eat your guns in a crisis. And in a SHTF scenario, we do not need people with nothing to eat but just guns to take other people’s stuff. Well stocked pantry means in a crisis cool heads will prevail. Hungry neighbors fight each other. Prepared neighbors form Zimmerman style posses and patrols to protect the neighborhood.
    I always recommend my gun owner friends to buy a stock of dried beans and spaghetti. Cheap and keeps forever pretty much. I wanted to go with rice, but rice gets bugs in it after w while.
    That should be the base. Then build variety from there. A good water filter and rain barrel is what I use for emergency water supply as it can also be used for a garden. I have four 75 gallon rain barrels hooked up to my gutter. And of course, some gas camping stoves at a minimum.
    That is stuff you can do easily. I have tried to go farther with things like gardening and chickens. And am looking to buy some bug-out property. But that is another story.

    1. Good post. Just to throw it out there, one does not have to buy the top end stuff. Pick up a rifle in .22 LR and 5.56 / .223 bolt action or magazine fed (ex. AR15) pending preference; 12 gauge shotgun; 1 pistol, preferably a 9 mm due to the frequent use by the police and millitary. If you buy used, you can get these pretty cheap (*note: Caveat emptor) and not bust your budget.

      1. I have an SKS. Am looking at buying another one or an AK. Both use same ammo, and it is good to buy different guns using same ammo. Simple is better.
        I love the yugo SKS BUT MY SON thinks I should get an AK or ar-15. Latter is out of the question, but might get an AK as a big sister to my SKS

        1. Nothing wrong with weapons made by our slavic brothers, I own a couple, but in a SHTF atmosphere the availability of ammo would be an issue over time.

    2. Unless you can get to bug out property from back country roads, don’t bother. Within 1-2 hours of a SHTF scenario breaking out every road is going to be impassable. Just look at the evacuation for the latest hurricane. Those were “coordinated” and it still took 10+ hours for people to make it inland. Some dumb, unprepared, sheepole who doesn’t top off their tank runs out of gas from running heat/AC too much while stuck in traffic clogs the whole system up. Even 4 wheelers and motorcycles (weather permitting) can only weave through stopped traffic with limitations. Better off planning to shelter in place and network with liked minded neighbors by holding regular “indepedent living seminars”.

    3. Make sure to stockpile enough ammo too. Remember in an extended siege type situation you are literally going to need thousands of rounds. Even extending policing of your community is going to require a decent stockpile. Remember those unwashed masses are going to test you perimeter dozens of times over the course of a week. It will just get worse as they get hungrier and more desperate. A gun is little good without ammo.

  24. Yep, just got S&W MP-15 II carbine (M-4 variant 5.56/.223). Inexpensive but capable rifle costs around $650-$675. Ran 300 rounds of cheap Russian ammo through it right out of the box with not one hiccup. Did decide to replace front grip with one that I could attach gangster grip to. Now just gotta stock more ammo and mags.

  25. The SKS is a good option in many countries, like Canada, were AK types are not accessible. Moreover, if you already have a SKS with plenty of ammunitions, you can also use other firearms using the 7.62×39 ammo, like the Zastava M85, a bolt action, for hunting purpose.
    We tend to forget how a simple air rifle can be useful. It’s more quiet than a firearm, ammos are cheap and can be shelf forever, and it can be used to hunt small games, get rid of pest, etc.

    1. And bonus points for the SKS, eventually the sear wears down and it goes full auto. It’s a Surprise Feature Option that’s sure to amuse friends and family at any cookout!

      1. Slam fire. The ATF will prosecute you like it was done on purpose. That’s why I got rid of mine.

  26. I disagree with the self-defense round for the shotgun. 00 is overkill and there are only 8 pellets. Further, if you are in an apartment, condo, or residential townhouse 00 will go through walls and hit family or neighbors. At close quarter, and a defensive stance, 00 is just unnecessary. I use no. 4 buckshot for my home defense for two reasons. It has 27 pellets which means a higher probability of making contact, thus making it more forgiving for inaccuracy. Secondly, no.4 has less penetration power so it wont go through walls as easily. Unless some guy is coming at you in a bulletproof vest no.4 or no. 1 is the way to go IMO. On the AR side, I built my own (Noveske/Bushmaster combo). I would advise everyone to do the same. You will better understand your gun and its mechanisms and can hand pick the parts for quality control and personal preference.

    1. Anything meeting the FBI penetration requirements will go through standard inner drywall walls. No 4 buckshot is the minimum shotgun round meeting the FBI penetration.
      As for building your own, my first (second, third…..) ARs I built myself. But in order to know what personal preference you have you need to go out and shoot some other folks ARs- preferably ones with different setups. Mil spec trigger, polished mil-Spec, single stage, two stage, Geiselle or similar single stage three gun, Geiselle or similar National Match. (You can get the NM with three different spring sets- standard, DMR, and NM) adjusted to the minimum pull. Different types of stocks, sights, etc. I agree you’ll learn an awful lot- pistol length gas block? Carbine? Rifle? Twist rate? What caliber 5.56? .223? 6.8 Grendel? .300 Blackout? A match chambering like Compass Lake Engineering or White Oak Armament?
      Its a lot like building a computer, a lot of specs and choices weighed against ‘what do you want to do with the rifle short-term and long term?’ If you think you’ll enjoy shooting enough to do competitive tactical type shooting/long range shooting do you want to set the rifle up that way from the start? Then you’ll need to at least reference the rules for those types of competitions. Allowable barrel lengths, sights/optics, stocks, triggers etc.

    2. How far buckshot spreads depends on distance, not size of the pellets. At 5 yards, both 00 and No 4 are going to be within about 6 inches. Aiming for vitals is still important.
      Soft body armor will stop No 4, 00, and even a slug (though you’ll get fucked up from it). They protect based on velocity of the round, which is an argument for using an AR for home defense. Any AR round will penetrate soft body armor.

      1. Shooting an AR round inside a house is a: asking to kill one of your own or a neighbor, and b: guaranteeing you permanent if not total hearing loss. I don’t know of any reasonably affordable soft armor that would stop a 12 gauge slug at close range. You are correct of course about the pellets.

        1. AR rounds actually penetrate less than pistol or shotgun rounds do. Because of the much higher velocity, the bullet will fragment and tumble through the target or any obstruction, losing its energy faster. It’s counter-intuitive but true.

  27. A couple of thoughts-
    Although I agree about the origination of the term ‘assault weapon’. The statement -” “assault weapon” is a bullshit, made-up term by the media,…” is now inaccurate.
    It is better described as a legal term in some jurisdictions which can not be easily summarized in a simple statement. If you’re going to own firearms you better know if and how ‘Assault Weapon’ is defined in your location. (Hence, CA LEOs have arrested folks for rifles LEOs think are AWs which are actually perfectly legal). These definitions cover whatever the politicians want to ban and aren’t any specific class or category of weapons. Again – it is strictly a legal term in some jurisdictions not a technical term with a recognized technical meaning. An AW therefore can include pistols, shotguns as well as rifles.
    For example, in CA any semi-automatic pistol with a detachable magazine and a barrel threaded which can accept a compensator or suppressor is a banned ‘Assault Weapon’
    My second comment would be the advantages of an AR over an AK includes its modular design allowing changing uppers for other calibers/barrel lengths, triggers, stocks etc. etc. As one gains experience you may find you prefer a two stage trigger, or one set up for ‘three gun’, adjustable, etc. etc.

  28. Steyr AUG bullpup uses same caliber 5.56 as AR15 and has the Die Hard bad ass cool factor.

  29. Not masculine to hide behind guns. USA is one of the most fucked up violent places. Look Japan, Danmark almost no violence compared to the one in usa. and guess what no guns in either country. guns makes it too easy. and dont give me any i need to protect myself from the…….

      1. Yep. Most of the European countries are now learning that lesson. Denmark being one of them, rapes/sexual assaults are definitely way up. But women really don’t need to have an effective means to defend themselves…

    1. “USA is one of the most fucked up violent places.”
      That is a lie. Plenty of other countries are far worse. In fact, you are twice as likely to be assaulted or raped in the UK than the US.
      You must be a socialist, so you can cling to your fears.

    2. Japan also has an entirely emasculated culture and doesn’t admit many immigrants (I think the number was 6 granted asylum last year). It is also an island country that effectively polices its borders. When you have a unified culture you tend not to have to worry about things like dindus breaking into your house, stealing your stuff, mugging you, raping your women, etc. etc.

        1. But America still has a collective belief in independence and liberty to some degree. That has been beat out of Europeans since after WW2.

      1. Haha. 🙂 I am half african and I dont relate to Black America at all. But om EU most african people ARD Well integrated.

    3. Right you are. Just look at Sweden, the rape capital of Europe and whats going on in Malmo? Oh Wait…
      The veneer of civilization is almost gone and it will only be reestablished by strong men with guns or it’ll be lost to strong thugs with guns.

      1. But if you get guns in sweden it will be the rapists that get them, it will be the gangs, it will be the dealers. If the normal swedes also got guns it would just all turn in to a messy blood bath. It doesnt change a thimg, guns or not.

        1. Then you better just go ahead and give up. Have you started practicing taking it up the ass yet?

  30. Make sure to stockpile enough ammo too. Remember in an extended siege type situation you are literally going to need thousands of rounds for each firearm. Even extended policing of your community is going to require a decent stockpile. Remember those unwashed masses are going to test your perimeter dozens of times over the course of a week. A few dindus getting peppered with buck shot will send them looting elsewhere at first. But, it will just get worse as they get hungrier and more desperate. Depending on how bad it gets you may have to endure multiple full on assaults every day/night and dropping a few of the leaders isn’t going to turn the mob away. And you are going to need to keep the dindus at a decent range as the first tactic they will try is igniting nearby structures (chase you out of shelter = needing to go mobile = you are both more vulnerable and may abandon supplies so a result).

    1. (knowing you wrote this 5 months ago…)
      Me and a couple buddies were talking about this not too long ago.
      We agreed that one of the better things to have along with guns is barrels full of sand and other fire retardants. And sandbags too. Fire being one of their favored tactics…

  31. Dont be a crowd fag and avoid these firearms like the plague:
    Mosin Nagant, 1911, Ruger 10/22.
    May I suggest a cheap, perhaps sporterized Mauser in any caliber you desire…they can be had all over and for only a few dollars more, you’ll avoid the shame and mediocrity of the $40 Mosin Nagant.
    The 1911, outdated, pos to carry, low round capacity, get over it. You can get a 15 rnd capacity 9mm or a 357 sig for less.
    Ruger 10/22….just get a bolt action .22lr so you can shoot aguila colibris quietly. No range on a 22lr, so dont dump money into it.
    Oh, and Howa 1500 over a Rem 700 out of the box all day.

        1. Simple, reliable, in service for over 100 years and counting. Cheap, abundant ammo, 30-’06 power. I’m good with that.

        2. Alright, grasp the 7×57 Mauser in its service rifle form, as well as the 1903 Springfield in 30-06. Their ballistics, age, and rifle design. Seeing why that Mosin is the cheapest of its peers yet? Youre comparing a rock to hammers in terms of nail driving.

        3. Inexpensive doesn’t equal cheap. I also have a Mauser and used to have a Springfield, along with my 5 Mosins. The Mosin may not be quite as accurate when used as a sniper rifle, but it is perfectly serviceable as a general issue firearm. I don’t need a tack driver to kill a deer or a dindu. The Soviets didn’t need one to kill Nazis. Hundreds of thousands of those dead Nazis would agree.

        4. Yeah, I’ve seen that video before. Tell you what, if you truly believe a Mosin is that ineffective, let’s meet up and you can prove it by volunteering to be shot with one, to prove how worthless it is. I, however, wouldn’t want to be shot with any that we’ve mentioned.

        5. Don’t forget about the impressive fireball when fired at night. Especially with the carbine variations.

        6. Ok for a hood drive by it would be ideal, fire through 8 shacks and leave in dumpster. Fireball would blind recepients

  32. A man ought to have these 5 guns:
    1, A twelve gauge pump shotgun with a wood stock for shooting ducks…or whatever
    2. A scoped rifle in a common high powered caliber for shooting deer…or whatever
    3. a .22 rifle for shooting cans…or whatever
    4. A semi automatic carbine that you bought on a whim that you have never shot, but a have a few thousand rounds for shooting…whatever
    5. A pistol given you by a family member that has no paper on it for…well…whatever.

    1. 2 or 3 guns built on 80% lowers/frames with all components bought in cash and in person …. somewhere… for … well…. whatever.

    2. One thing is getting guns that have no paper on them at all. Example – if within the law I build an AK-47 (or 74) with a home-made receiver and sufficient 922R compliance parts, it appears on NO registries anywhere. Also, buy from a friend or acquaintence. If the Dimocraps come for guns, they can take the ones that have a paper trail.

    3. A .22 rifle and pistol too.They are not firearms so much as household commodities like flour or sugar.

  33. Funny that I been saying for years we need to change ammo casings and my prayers were answered when I said it on Military.com Graphene carbyne, with a touch of brass to retain gas expansion. Kinda got a crush on the columnist too. (shes average but I am brain damaged literally.)

  34. Hi, I would like advice on how I can obtain short bore rifles, and ar/ak platform rifles while living in NYC. And no “get the hell out” or “wait till Donald trump gets elected” solutions. I’m a pistol owner and licensed in NYC, I need viable options for how to purchase pistol grip ar’s with picatanny rails to ride my surefires, magpuls and other accessories.
    Btw, thanks for throwing that usp above, I own the usp-45 compact

  35. I own several examples of each but really do not see a need for them all. For the gun guy who doesn’t hunt or plan to then all you need is an intermediate carbine like an AR/AK and a pistol. If you have a .22lr rifle there isn’t much need for a pistol for much more then a plinker.
    To anyone who is newer or just now getting into firearms I would suggest less gun’s and more ammunition. Service caliber pistol, service caliber rifle both in calibers you can readily find and afford then invest in a good stock of ammunition putting at least 500 rounds of premium ammunition to the side for each weapon for SHTF and buy the rest as cheap as possible including steel or aluminum cased for range days. Get into the shoot a box replace that box mentality so you always have what you need when you need it. For the new shooter who wanted to arm his wife or a child as well I would recommend buying the exact duplicates of what you bought for yourself so that way the manual of arms is the same no matter who is the shooter or what the situation is.

  36. This article is mostly correct and generally good advice. A few thoughts: it makes a lot of assumptions that will fly right past anyone not deeply familiar with weapons; it omits the mid frame revolver choice, which is actually much superior for most, since they won’t train enough to properly handle a semi-auto pistol (jam clearing, mag changes, etc.); if you think you’re going to gear up and wear tactical clothing/equip/accessories in public, you are delusional. Unless it’s (literally) the end of the world or the collapse of civilization, you won’t be able go out with anything beyond a concealed handgun. Ask people who have lived through crises in Eastern Europe, Argentina or South Africa. Enforcement increases, not decreases, in times of instability, short of total collapse. In which case….

  37. Buy one box of ammo every paycheck if you can’t afford to buy in bulk. That will at least start you on a decent stash. Once you have 100 rounds per firearm, save up and then buy the rest in bulk.

  38. Guns are tools. The best tools won’t gives you the ability to use then in the worst situations.
    Being able to shout strainght in a fight is not a talent you can develop on a classic shooting range.
    Withous even argumenting about that the ‘classical’ agresion will always coming in the worst circonstance, your worst ennemy is the suden release of the stress hormons in your body and brain.
    Without proper training and progressive exposure to such situations, you WILL freeze, panic, shake…like hell.
    => It doesn’t mean that weapons are useless. It means that without a correct tactical training, and regular répétitions, you won’t be able to use them correctly when it matters.

    1. An example to illustrate my point. Even with some experience, it’s relatively easy to get f…ed.

      Don’t just own a gun. Find the best trainer you can, and practice regulary.

  39. DAMN, I missed the commenting action on this one when it was hot off the press. There was another one recently by Quintus Curitu of bolt actions. Need to get back to ROK more. Missing some good stuff.

  40. Definitely start with a pistole. But for personal defense, don’t short sell a snub nose. An auto is nice for home defense, target shooting. But in a defense situation, recoil and noise aren’t a factor. Like Clemenza said ” Ieft it noisy so it scares any pain-in-the-ass innocent bystanders away”. Get an inexpensive, ubiquitous caliber snub nose for defense. Mine cost me ~$150. Reason being? if you use it, even if a righteous shoot, it’ll probably be taken away. I’d rather them hold onto my charter arms bulldog and leave my 1911 alone. Most defensive shoots are very short range.

Comments are closed.