The Dangers Of Romantic Love

Since we were children, we have been bombarded with propaganda that romantic love is the ultimate relationship ideal. Hollywood movies, Disney cartoons, and literary fiction all portray romantic love as an absolute necessity in any wedding union, but how much of that narrative has been a lie? Is it possible that our pursuit of romantic love is actually preventing us from forming a lifelong pair bond?

I began to question the notion of romantic love when thinking about its emotional root. Love is a fleeting emotion, and like all emotions, it comes and goes like the clouds in the sky. Why have I been taught to select my life partner based on an emotion? I’m surely not encouraged to use emotion when buying a house, applying for a job, or doing my personal finances, but when it comes to choosing a human being that I’m supposed to spend the rest of my life with, I’m advised by the establishment narrative to use emotion for the biggest decision of them all.

Another major clue that romantic love is a childish strategy for choosing mates is the fact that countries with arranged marriages, where partners are picked based on purely practical matters, have lower divorce rates that in countries where romantic love is used to select mates (1, 2, 3). While there are multiple reasons for divorce in any society, it is rather coincidental that the countries most impacted by notions of romantic love happen to have the highest divorce rates.

Romance was invented

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It turns out that your desire to use love as a precondition for marriage or pair bonding is an invented construct that had roots in destroying tradition and theistic authority. Romanticism, a movement that began in the 18th century, put romantic love at the forefront, not just for individuals but nations as well, all from a central thesis of individualism. It wanted you to take the focus away from boring old rules and traditions to focusing on how you feel.

The movement came primarily from bourgeois youth, who used family money to fiddle away on idealistic writings.

…the Romantic Movement was nothing more than a protest against bourgeois conventions, bourgeois society and morality. To be extreme and flamboyant and unusual and violent even at the risk of becoming grotesque was the desire of every young Romantic. The Romantics were, in fact, bourgeois origins, who were trying hard to escape from their own shadows. (Source)

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Romantics believed that men and women ought to be guided by warm emotions rather than the cold abstract rules and rituals established by Bourgeois society. (Source

They sound a lot like modern day social justice warriors, many of whom are trust fund babies that lash out against “privilege” and “inequality” to relieve the psychological pain of being wealthy without having had to earn it. Combined with the fact that SJWs also trump feelings over logic, it’s clear to see how romanticists were proto-SJWs, whose individualistic ideas are just what the enlightenment needed to complete its destruction of tradition.

Romantics re-defined what relationships should be based on

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Prior to the romantic era, companionate love was the relationship form often described in literature and other historical writings.

Passionate love is the arousal-driven emotion which often gives people extreme feelings of happiness, and can also give people feelings of anguish. Companionate love is the form which creates a steadfast bond between two people, and gives people feelings of peace. Scientists have described the stage of passionate love as “being on cocaine,” since during that stage the brain releases the same neurotransmitter, dopamine, as when cocaine is being used. (Source)

Besides Song Of Songs in the Old Testament, writers were not encouraged to muse endlessly about passionate love, and there is zero evidence it was used as the principal factor in forming new marriages, but it’s this passionate love that we’re told to strive for, of feeling like you’ve been swept up in an exciting whirlwind, before publishing the gory details on Buzzfeed or in a bestseller like Eat Pray Love, authored by a woman who is embarking on her second divorce.

Women of the romantic era played a big part in elevating romantic love, and why wouldn’t they? It’s much more fun to get swept up in the excitement created by non-committal alpha male than it does to do arduous daily duties before you husband, king, and God. Women were given the chance to pick between excitement or responsibility, and we know what they have chosen.

The works of the Romantic Era also differed from preceding works in that they spoke to a wider audience, partly reflecting the greater distribution of books as costs came down during the period. The Romantic period saw an increase in female authors and also female readers. (Source)

The modern era has doubled down on the notion of romantic love

Jewish psychologist Robert Sternberg proposed the popular triangular theory of love, which is often used today as defining the love ideal. This theory has caused immense harm for stating that all three forms of love are needed in equal measure for a successful relationship.

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Anyone who takes an introductory psychology course, or who reads a pop psychology book, will be exposed to this theory, and walk away thinking that passion is absolutely required in a relationship. If it’s not there, the presumption is that the relationship is no longer “consummate” and far short of ideal.

Believing that romantic love and passion are necessary in a marriage makes it that much easier to exit out of it, because when a woman no longer “feels passion,” she will walk away knowing that experts like Sternberg would agree that the relationship degraded and was no longer worth saving. And this is exactly what modern women are doing in droves. They have shown an appalling disregard for their wedding vows, especially upon realizing that they initiate 80% of divorces.

Romanticism and the rise of nationalism

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If nationalism came out of the romantic era, and passionate love was a mistake, does that mean nationalism is also a mistake?

One of Romanticism’s key ideas and most enduring legacies is the assertion of nationalism, which became a central theme of Romantic art and political philosophy. From the earliest parts of the movement, with their focus on development of national languages and folklore, and the importance of local customs and traditions, to the movements that would redraw the map of Europe and lead to calls for self-determination of nationalities, nationalism was one of the key vehicles of Romanticism, its role, expression and meaning.

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Patriotism, nationalism, revolution and armed struggle for independence also became popular themes in the arts of this period. (Source)

Upon closer inspection, it’s easy to see that the ruling agenda of today, globalism, is essentially “world nationalism.” Instead of loving your neighbor, and only those who share your unique traditions or race, you’re supposed to love everyone in the world, because it’s evil to think that there are large differences between a German businessman in a Hugo Boss suit and a Tutsi villager with a lip plate the size of a grapefruit.

The romantic ideal of nationalism is not Adolph Hitler, but George Soros, who insists on loving everyone in the world from the depths of your heartfelt human compassion. A nationalism based on genetics and local bonds will no doubt serve citizens better than a “global nationalism” where you’re supposed to care for those who are nothing like you.

How should men choose their life partners?

It’s clear that using romantic love and passion as your primary standard for long-term relationships will lead to failure and maybe even personal catastrophe. You’ll easily come to this conclusion by evaluating your past relationships and the mistakes you’ve made on women who you had intense passion for.

Instead, practicality must be the order of the day. You must logically evaluate any woman you intend to be with for more than a casual relationship by weighing her values, beliefs, and sexual history. This is easier said than done because we’ve been so brainwashed to believe passion is important, but it simply makes the most amount of sense. Find a woman the same way you would find a new job or buy a new house, and be wary of women who picked you based more on passion than practical matters.

It may sound cold to search for your wife like you would a business partner, but that is exactly what she is. The day-to-day life of a family home is far more business and economics than love, and so you should come to the easy conclusion that that’s what you must use to form a stable home.

Understand, however, that we do not live in a traditional and patriarchal society that aids us in our search for a virtuous woman. Instead, society is encouraging women to corrupt themselves, sexually and physically, in the name of empowerment and independence, making our search exceedingly difficult. This is one of the costs we have to pay for living in the modern world. Some men will be able to overcome it, but many men won’t, and will fail in their search for a woman they can create a family with.

But at least we are now armed with the knowledge of what it takes to have a more successful long-term relationship. It’s not romantic love or butterflies in the stomach, but a matter of practicality. Logically evaluate her past, her values, and her beliefs to make sound predictions of how she’ll behave in the future. From this evaluation will come a logical decision that is likely to endure, instead of relying on emotion, which changes as readily as the direction of the wind.

This article was originally published on Roosh V

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351 thoughts on “The Dangers Of Romantic Love”

  1. Approaching one year of marriage here (after three years of dating). Going great. Modern marriage is part of the misguided pursuit of happiness. It’s chasing the green dragon. You want a woman that you can be content with. Marriage is a partnership. It’s going to have highs and lows. Find a good broad who isn’t highly emotional and is going to cut out at the first sign of trouble.

    1. You’re not really married unless you have children.
      The first error in marriage is not looking enough at practicalities. Money, logistics, her family, your family – all these things play a part when children come into the picture. It’s a very long term project, not just a co-habitation of two people sharing the washing up and electric bill. Children change everything and most modern couples are ill equipped to deal with it.
      The second problem is the ideal that a couple should be some sort of perfect bonny and clyde, friends forever joined at the hip. This might work for some popstar Paul and Linda McCartney hippy duo, but it’s no kind of goal for real life. The woman has her duties and roles and the man has his and they spend much of their time separately – and good thing too. Child rearing and home making are completely different roles to bread winning and getting out in the world.
      A woman can work and be productive, but the endgame is raising children and it’s a long project. It’s not productive or conducive to have a demanding career and be a mother, it’s just not – sorry. You can’t be an astronaut, spending 6 months in the space station and be a high powered court room lawyer. Life choices isn’t it. There’s plenty of pursuits that a mother can undertake on the side, but family must always come first. In the same way a man will also make sacrifices for his family. Sure he can buy a jetski and condo on the beach but the wife and kids come first. CHOICES !
      Love has to come into it – otherwise you have a dry mechanical burden. There has to be empathy, connection, chemistry etc. It’s not the only thing and affection can grow between two strangers – even the most peculiar matches could work in time, but there are easier matches – love at first sight and harder matches where personalities and body chemistries and sexual connection are challenged.
      It’s a combination of many things and ultimately it depends on how much of a lead the man takes and also how much the woman is prepared to follow. Same on the dance floor. You can’t dance with a girl that wants to take the lead all the time. Both end up tripping over. A good woman knows how to nurture and guide. A good man knows how to lead and take command, without crushing her.

      1. Everything you said is true. Yep, children is going be a hell of a journey. I think I picked a good mother of my offspring. We are planning to start trying in the new year. I’m excited. Raising children is the quintessential human experience.

        1. believe it or not the first few years are quite easy…. babies cry alot and need constant attention but it’s quite fun and she’s busy so thus occupied…. it’s once they hit 5-6-7-10…. then you have the real hard work and she’s probably hitting the wall by then and becoming a real matriarch…. the girl you started out with is gone… it’s a bit of a gamble what you end up with….

        2. Which is why you get them early and for lack of better words, groom them. I started dating my wife when she was 22. She was never a carousel riding, party girl and never had the chance to turn into one.
          I’m looking forward to the age when you can start to teach them stuff. I just accept the fact that children means that is my main project for the next 20 years. It seems like people have kids now just to have something to brag about on social media.

        3. yes sadly many kids are for peasants with nothing better to do, or rich people to have a final trophy…
          hard to get that balance in the middle because there is a lot of sacrifice involved… that’s why actually the middle class is so important… because otherwise you are raising impoverished hoodlums in broken families or prissy PC correct spoiled brats….
          the middle class has the work / life / family balance. the poor are too busy trying to make ends meet to do much of a job with children and the rich are self obsessed, lost in their own pursuits and or likely to spoil or neglect the children.

        4. Not really a gamble. Women turn into their mothers with great reliability. Any man that isn’t an idiot (a notable minority I know) looks at the mother first before committing to any woman long term.

        1. so why bother playing at a pretend mating scenario – it’s just mutual masturbating where 1/2 your property is at risk….

        2. on the otherhand, deliberately avoiding procreating indicates some level of depression or misunderstanding of life itself…. even if the decision is a fully conscious one… who knows what is driving it subconsciously….

        3. Another great post. The only point of marriage in 2016, the only way it can still be justified, is to have and raise children in a healthy household. Marrying and “no kids for us!” is stupid. It’s one thing if you planned on it but some medical condition prevents it later down the road. Sure, that’s fine, but otherwise, what the fuck even bother for?

        4. I’m not going to disagree with you, but, I will say that perhaps those who don’t have children (including myself) do it not because we misunderstand life, but because we understand how pointless it is?
          No, I’m not depressed, and no, I won’t be jumping off a building tonight. But, forcing another person (which is what you do when you have children) to live in this world, which to me (and I realize this is NOT the normal view and do not wish to offend) is akin to cruel and unusual punishment.
          Yeah, if we figure out limitless life extension, I’d be all for having kids. But the thought that we all just “blink out” one day, and we’re smart enough to be AWARE that we blink out? That’s beyond terrifying, it’s downright savage.
          Also, kids today have a tough road to follow. Yes, I realize by not having my own children and teaching them masculine values, I’m part of the problem. But, even if I were Mr. Fucking Uber Testosterone guy, it’s nearing impossible to teach kids the “right” way to live in this world. The cards are so stacked against men right now that I hesitate to see what the world will look like in another 20 years.

        5. Eh….I’ve never bought that line of reasoning. The world has always been a shit place. Imagine living in 1936 and trying to justify having a kid? Depression economics everywhere, socialism popping up in ways we can’t even comprehend today, armies on the march, etc? They still had kids.
          I can’s speak for JJ but I took him to be saying that getting married while opting to not have children is silly.

        6. I know couples who decided to not have kids or waited to long and now have dogs. It never made any sense to me, although I wish them well

        7. A lot of men who post here say they don’t want children. I don’t think people should be shamed for not wanting to start a family. It’s a personal choice, not a mental illness.

        8. I must admit, GoJ has changed my thinking on this a bit (especially the things have always been bad, but that didn’t stop good men from making families part). However, I still maintain it’s ludicrous to make broad statements like “all men should have kids.”
          I don’t know many happily *married* couples without children, mainly because like…what’s the point? But I do think reproducing is not for everyone, and if you find someone you truly get along wonderfully with, and want to both not have kids together, then great. I do think a state sanctioned marriage is a bad idea then.

        9. Humans (and all organisms) are engineered to desire to reproduce. So from a natural standpoint, an individual who doesn’t desire to reproduce is an aberration.

        10. I don’t think all men should make kids. But if you’re getting married in 2016, and it’s not to make kids, then what in the fuck are you doing, man?
          State marriage is always a bad idea. It’s a private/religious institution, the state has no business interfering.

        11. We are not saying you have to have children, at least I am not saying that, and I have 6 kids (now adults) and 7 grandkids. What I am saying is that why get married if you have no intention of having kids? Why put yourself in that kind of danger for no reason?
          I know lots of couples (married and unmarried) that should not have had kids, as they really did not, and do not, want them. They conformed to social pressure and spit out a hostage to the future. They then do a shitty job of raising the, usually, one child because it is not a task either of them really wanted in the first place.

        12. I enjoyed and still enjoy kids. I have done more pointless things in my life than I can recall. Having children is just one more of the multitude of pointless acts. If it is something you enjoy, do it. Otherwise don’t. You are doing nobody, and that includes society, any favors by being a shitty parent, and if it is not what you deeply desire to do with your life you will be a shitty parent.

        13. But as supposedly rational beings we have the ability to override instinct to survive and thrive.

        14. I completely agree. But I do take umbrage at the family shaming that goes on sometimes. Each man should decide if a family is for him. While I think society should stress the virtues of family, I also think the world would be a worse place if great men like Beethoven, Thoreau, Tesla, Newton, John Paul Sartre, da Vinci, and the Wright brothers didn’t pursue their passion but instead raised kids. This is not a slight to any father. I hope to be a father one day, and it will be one of my greatest accomplishments.

      2. Totally agree. I think we are in the midst of a me first culture where couples bail as soon as either of them have to compromise on the smallest thing. At the end of the day you want a partner and you want one person to place more time on the parenting role. It seems more natural for it to be a female (if she has a caring nature) but I have seem some amazing single Dads who do not get enough credit for stepping up. I definitely think both parents should be hands on and help raise their kids but the reality is someone has to spend more time doing the day to day parenting and women who want to work high powered jobs can’t do both. I think in any relationship there should always be genuine affection and respect for each other and a willingness to want to make the other person happy. People who just want someone to serve them and offer nothing in return will never experience a healthy long lasting relationship.

        1. Because you literally become one flesh and must move together as if one body. This encompassses understanding and respect obviously. Not with someone else on the side as some are encouraging here.

        2. One flesh; like my own body. Let me tell you that every morning it is a contest to see which body part I hate the most, my arthritic knees or my arthritic back. If I could divorce this body, and go on living, I would do it in a heart beat.

        3. Lol. That is not an excuse to hate your body. Life is beautiful and that negative nancy mentality is not going to help you. You cant control everything asa human, but you can make the best of it.

        4. I am making the best of it. I get out of bed everyday and continue breathing. That is about the best I can do.
          I enjoy a little black jack from time to time. My pass times have become a great deal more sedentary. I used to scuba dive, hang glide, ski, jog, and wind surf. Just can’t do that stuff any more.

      3. “You’re not really married unless you have children.”
        FALSE.
        Biological inconvenience does not nullify an oath one takes before God.

        1. You can respect that oath all you want, but you are not living a truly married life if it is just the two of you.

      4. Sorry, but almost all of marriage is a dry mechanical burden, If you aren’t aware of that you have not been married very long. And yes two people may have a had wedding, but until you have kids you are just playing house.

    2. How long did it take until the “feelz” cut out a bit and you could rationally judge her as a life partner? I am fully conscious of the heart’s ability to encourage irrational decisions. Haven’t had a LTR in a while, but I think 3 years is probably a good minimum period. Then again, I’m getting to the age where I don’t have a 3 year trial period to give a chick. But I’m also MUCH much better at judging them.

      1. I personally hate the idea, but here’s what my neighbor told me about an Indian friend: In his part of the culture, it was typical for the family members, or older brothers, to choose a suitable partner for him from a position of detachment.

        1. Oh, I fully agree that is the best way, absolutely. But my family is not going to be stepping up to the plate on this, and my friends are sadly too beta to be good rational helpers.

      2. Honestly, I kind of just turned the tables and made her chase me and prove that she was worth my time. Like many on here, in a previous life I was a blue pill shithead that got screwed over, learned what I was doing wrong (i.e. game), and was catting about town. Thus, when I decided to just date her (we clicked and I saw no red flags), I went in pretty cynical, analytical, and pretty feelz-less. After she did something good I would always joke she “passed the test” until she actually started believing I was devising all sorts of tests for her.
        Moved in after two years. After a year I was assured living with her would be easy and then it was the band-aid ripping moment to make it official (I still protest the government’s involvement in marriage).

        1. This is very similar to how I run my relationships. “Cynical, analytical, and feelz-less.”
          I have feelings towards her, but I don’t let them overtake the logic.

  2. There was a reason the parents of the partners were involved, and why (beyond STDs) chastity for both men and women were encouraged.
    You don’t reason with your lizard brain.
    On more than one level, the order should be reason, enjoyment, passion/feelings.
    Today, we aren’t ordering the passions (See Lewis’ Abolition of Man, chapter 1), so that when reason comes along, they are seen as right.
    For love, the first is the will, reason, this woman will be a good wife and mother. Then you see if she would be a good friend and then maybe romance, and then eros on the wedding night.
    But it works both ways. If you spend a lot of time trying to get laid without the romance, friendship, or reason, will you be able to turn the sequence around? And if married, will the partners who weren’t chaste before not be always remembering some idealized encounter with a past partner – the person may have made a terrible mate, but it was really fun. What is missed is brain chemicals are released to make you bond whether you want to or not. You’ve wanted passion or even mere sexual pleasure for years, can you reason yourself to a good wife, or rationalize some exciting slut can be turned into one.
    If the first woman you’ve looked at with eros (not lust) is or is going to be your wife, it will make things easier as your lizard brain will imprint on her. You might still have wandering eyes, but your wife, and no other woman will be your fetish. That will be far more convenient than always remembering someone else. It goes twice for the woman who managed to have a one night stand with some alpha including all the imaginary aspects and has to accept the real man who might be healthy, well off, but isn’t a weightlifter, rock-star, or billionaire.
    Truth, goodness, beauty in that order.
    Reason, good fun, passion in that order.
    A good Mother, a good friend, and a good lover, in that order.

    1. If a man is going to be foolish enough to get married he should at least strive to never be friends with his wife, lest he be quickly torpedoed by hypergamy

  3. You might find CS Lewis’ Allegory of Love of interest in reading along these same lines. CS Lewis traces “romantic” love to the troubadour poets of late medieval France. It is especially prescient that romance was a thing preserved for a mistress or lover and was considered impossible with a wife. The work is very scholarly in its take, rather unlike most of Lewis’ popular work, but given the subject it is very fitting.

    1. One never goes wrong when he chooses to read C.S. Lewis. Good recommendation.

        1. No allies. Hierarchy established by free market principles of strength and power. Sounds like a libertarians wet dream (if Orks had wet dreams, I believe they reproduce asexually via spores). Not like those monarchy Trump/Emperor worshiping space marines.
          I’ll give myself a wedgie now.

        2. That’s just reassigning Darwinism to free market. In reality many things work via Darwinistic principles, not just the free market.

        3. More akin to the raiders who ran with Faramir out in the woods. Still technically part of society, but its fringe edge that do better when not in constant contact with their kingdom.

        4. I would think them more of Eldar…
          Orks are muslims and blacks
          Necrons are the common leftists (zombies)
          Tau are communists
          *edit: The tyranids are the illegals*
          Chaos/Heretics are liberals
          Space Marines are the alt-right
          The imperial guard are the normies (they can do nothing by themselves)
          Sisters of battle are… the sexy women of the alt-right in corsets
          The God emperor of mankind is… me! Give me a few years and you shall now my real name!

        5. Haha, I’d say the new Genestealer Cult is the alt-right. Rose up from the underground of the internet to take over.

        6. NO! The tyranids are… the illegals! We are the Space Marines ascendant! we are at the start! the game was a prophecy!!!, I am going to add the tyrannids on top, the cult on the other way are the one’s working in the NGOs…

        7. I thought those were the super-orks that Sauruman made in the basement, the ones which could go out it in the daylight?

        8. That’s what Urak-hai are. I’m saying no, not like them, but like Farmir’s little troupe that went out and sniped at the orcs in their own territory.

        1. Warhammer 40,000. It’s a 30 year old, tabletop miniature wargaming system. Lots of model building and painting and then having battles with those models using dice and rulers. The Emperor is a pope-like figure who is the figurehead of the human Space Marines.

        2. OVERLOAD!!!

          Now seriously, it is Warhammer 40k the coolest, cheesiest over the top sci-fi experience on tabletop, videogames, cheap literature but not on fanfic, (who wants to see orks mate?)

    1. Which makes me think it is all a coordinated storyline in the first place.
      What normal person changes their stance so quickly if they truly believed in their ‘values’?

      1. True. The elite want the Alt. Right to rise. Balances out the SJW narrative. Divide and conquer…


    2. The professor’s Twitter account “DeplorableNYUProfessor,” which launched last month, was a personal protest against social justice warriors and trigger warnings.

      Meet our new Shitlord of the month!

    3. this is it. They (PC drones, sjw, and all that motherfuckers) begin to suck dicks in order to stay in the new era of Trump. Ha !

  4. In the bisexual women, who are available for both men and women, the submissive ones have absolutely no problem in being submissive toward their female partners.
    But ask the same bisexual women to be submissive toward their male partners – They will either slap you, or tell you to piss off.
    Notice the difference? Why do you think? It is because it is incredibly hard to be submissive toward someone that you do not like much. Most modern women do not particularly like men. They are mostly indifferent toward men, and certainly do not like men in the way that men like women. Women like other women more than they like men.
    What is the point of this? It is because we have an enormous problem. Since women have recieved equal status, they have been reproducing much less than the required level. All societies where women have equal status, have been below replacement level for quite some time now.
    As a result, much of this world is importing immigrants from the second and third world to make up for the shortage of labor force as well as to prevent population decline. Most concerning is the muslim immigration. If women naturally liked men, then they would have had no problem in being submissive wives, and thus, our fertility rate would have been sustainable. But since they do not, and since we have given them equal status, we are find ourselves always below survivale rate of fertility.
    If we do not acknowledge and solve this soon, we will be replaced by those who did not give equal status to women, and our societies will be fundamentally transformed. The ones who would be calling the shots in our societies, would be much different from us. In short – We will lose our civilization, if we do not solve the fertility issue. As much as I dislike saying this – Perhaps, the societies in which women do not have equal status, are evolutionarily correct. Perhaps, we went against evolution in giving women equal status, and we need to undo it, if we are to survive.

    1. “Women like other women more than they like men.”
      I think it’s more accurate to say they hold men to a much much higher standard than other women and hate beta men but accept domination from an actual alpha (50 Shades Of Grey, anyone?), not a wannabe who tries to be rude after reading that women love bad boys. That’s my experience at least.

      1. It’s a question of circumstances. In the wild west or medieval Europe for example, women towed the line because they had no option. Thousands of years of those type of societies meant that the ugly nosy annoying feminist types of women were killed off or impoverished pretty quickly.
        As society developed and became more multi layered, and also safer in general, women had more agency. It no longer made sense that they couldn’t own property or get married without their father’s permission for example – the old ways seemed quaint.
        Unfortunately a) the family and having children is still a very demanding time consuming and brutally challenging pursuit and b.) there are very very few women with genetics suited to high powered careers, precisely because nature never allowed that.
        While it seems so interesting for women to rush into universities and careers, it’s a huge lie. On the other side however raising a family with 10+ kids is no longer necessary, so they needed to find something else to do with their time.
        All that was on offer and is still on offer is male orientated pursuits…. The cat has got out of the bag now, and it’s going to be hard to put it back in – but in reality, feminism should have made women more feminine, more productive as women and more useful to men and society as a whole. Instead community has collapsed and much of the men’s world has been invaded with do gooders like Hillary Clinton who frankly have no place in the male sphere of activity, just as most men have no place in a maternity ward.
        What women should have been doing is organizing better community, better child raising, better understanding child psychology, creating golden personalities in their children and god forbid supporting and nurturing the husband’s in their lives via a warm and comfortable family setting. Instead we’ve got social chaos via the no fault divorce laws and we wonder why all the kids are on meds by the age of 10 ?

    2. None of the bisexual submissive women I’ve been with had any problem submitting to me. I think the issue you’re talking about often arises from the sad fact that many men these days can’t project hard dominance even to the degree that many women can

  5. Fortunately for me I don’t believe love is anything more than an emergent property of the brain, much like consciousness which is why I don’t believe in the concept of a soul either but I don’t want to attract the flak of theists on the latter one. There’s also some sort of deeply ingrained perception as “love” being somehow more virtuous than sexual attraction, infatuation etc so I think a lot of guys use the word love as a form of virtue signalling. It comes over better to say “I love this girl” than to say you find her sexually attractive, especially in a world that hates straight white males.

    1. so according to your logic you’re little more than an over intelligent worm that would be better off dead.

      1. I said I don’t want to argue with theists so keep your theistic sneer to yourself please.

        1. it’s a question of mathematics and logic. Belief is useless, so is argument. The mathematical logic of calling everything an “emergent property of the brain” is that we are nothing more than complicated worms that wiggle when the sunshines on them. That makes life depressingly pointless.

        2. For those who believe in a willful Creator, I often wonder why they think that simply willing things into existence out of thin air is more grandiose than Life being a property of matter bound to arise under the right conditions, and progressively evolving over billions of years. Nature is far more spiritually compelling and uplifting than fairy tale deferrals from reality. One can learn virtue, morals, ethics, and wisdom from religious texts, but the point where theists try to ignore Nature and dismiss and subvert Science is the point where I write them off as feeble-minded cowards.

        3. This and something called evidence which leans in our favour a lot more than in theirs.

        4. Saying that we are complicated worms isn’t so different from the other straw-man argument that we descend from monkeys. The truth however is that there is a ton of evidence that we had common ancestors. A monkey or a cat is not less evolved than a human. It’s equally evolved in a side-branch that derived from whatever common ancestors we had. The branching off happened farther and farther away up the tree depending on how related we are.

        5. well i don’t know about you, but not too many cats in my neighborhood are tech wizards… are cats building houses, steam engines, computers ? I don’t see it… they’ve tried this argument with monkeys and they don’t have full cognitive ability to question their reality….. atheism is a head in the sand answer… we’re not animals, we are part animal but we have the ability to question….

        6. I didn’t see him mention religion in any context or way.

        7. That doesn’t prove humans have an immaterial “soul” that continues after death. Also creating tech isn’t the end all be all of evolution. A cat is better at catching mice than I am and got naturally selected through evolution to beat me at it.

        1. Even the Church has been smart enough to live in the world that is/was than the world it dreamed of.

  6. I would highly recommend a book by John Bradshaw called post romantic stress disorder he is a relationship counsellor and thinks 80% of divorces were relationships that were fine, but our society says that love should be powerful and lusty which is the initial stage of love, this dies down and mature love develops but we aren’t taught about this kind of love and after the high has gone people feel they have fallen out of love and contempt creeps in.

    1. The sad fact is that after children, most women do lose 90% of their sex drive. The few that keep theirs semi-high are still way below where they were prior to children. Yes, I know exceptions exist, I mean generally. Meanwhile, the husband is left standing there saying “What the fuck?” as the girl who used to give him blowjobs while rolling down the road has turned into Vicky Victorian Her Most Royal Prudeness.
      There are solutions to this. Most men are too scared or too pussy to follow through however. And then they settle down and drink themselves into a bottle until they die at age 55.

      1. Right. Turn on sportsball…..open bottle…..pray for painless death
        So sad

        1. I’ve actually tried to talk to some of these guys. It’s a wasted effort most of the time. I will only offer advice now to men who come to me first with this issue.

      2. I think it’s more psychological than real actually…. mothers don’t want to get down and dirty, they are mothers now… they get all prim and proper… that’s one problem…. tiredness is another…. and essentially women like to feel sexy and there’s nothing sexy about changing nappies or picking little johnny covered in mud from the football game…..
        they also spend alot of time around children who need bossing about, and that often spills over onto the husband who in his childhood was used to respond to matriarchal attitudes….

        1. The only valid thing there is tiredness, and that’s at the beginning. It lasts, at tops, 2 years. If your kid is still getting up 10 times a night and is still pooping in a rag at age 2, you’re doing it wrong.
          I’m at the other end of this journey. Almost all of the men I know who remained married are co-habiting with a woman, alone (kids now moved out) as she putters around and he sits staring at a wall or staring whistfully at the neighbor’s 17 year old daughter, keeping his thoughts to himself. He did not set the standard with his wife from the beginning, and let her continue to use excuses for “not feeling sexy” long past the time that they may have been valid.

        2. yes there is that…… there’s also a slightly lower male libido as you get older… and looking at a 40+ year old mother that’s droning on about whatever….. it’s not exactly going to pass even a 20year old man’s boner test…. ain’t reality a bitch !

        3. This is why I lease rather than buy. Maintenance included and trade in option.

        4. I ensured that I have kept in fantastic shape. Without going into too many details, I have a 50 inch chest and a 36 inch waist and arms that could be used as substitute girders for a skyscraper in a pinch (yes, I’m vain, heh). That means that my libido is still through the roof.
          The second part of what you said is correct, after a fashion. It’s either solvable by her getting in shape and staying in shape (and that’s only a temporary solution, her face ages fast too and eventually it won’t matter), or him picking a very traditional woman and making an arrangement with her that men used to make with their wives after a certain age. Alas, almost no men are left who have the balls to ask either from their “best friend” wives. Their loss.

        5. Dude, you don’t even really lease. You go to the Rent a Car shop every weekend for a new test drive model. Heh.

        6. they fear that the wife will want the same….. and they know full well she can walk into any bar and be taking several cocks within 10 minutes….. so it turns into trench warfare…. stalemate… literally and metaphorically !

        7. Old broads don’t pull many dudes. And the shape I see 80% of women in over 40 instructs me that they couldn’t get lucky if they bought a vibrator and hooked it up to an electrostatic generator.
          A “friend of mine” (had to retract the previous for identity reason), God help him, has a wife that is the same general size and shape of a beach ball. She did NOT start out this way, she was actually thin and decent looking 20 years ago. I’ve suggested to him to tell her to get into shape or to find something on the side, but he’s got this stupid fear that you just mentioned. I mean fuck, this girl has turned into nearly a cartoon, she’s almost achieved her own personal gravity, and he’s afraid some dudes will fuck her. How silly on his part.
          Plus, the vast majority of women over 45 have literally zero sex drive. I know that there are exceptions, but most women that age and older would rather watch paint dry than they would entertain letting even a hunky Chad Thundercock fuck them.
          That’s about the age range I’m talking about, btw. Pull the side-dish thing when she’s 32 and yep, she’ll be fucking the high school football team in short order.

        8. You advocate mistresses for husbands? I thought you claimed to be a Christian. No traditional Christian wife is going to tolerate that arrangement and you will be shunned by the church when she tells them that you brought it up as an option

        9. I’m telling you how it was handled in the past. My first option was to get her to get back in shape, btw, in case you overlooked that (you did). Just being practical and noting what worked in true patriarchal societies in the past.
          Biblical Patriarchs had lots of “wives”, and I’m betting you right now that most of them were not formally ritually married. No man in history would be able to deal with that many weddings and remain sane.

        10. Plus, the vast majority of women over 45 have literally zero sex drive.

          Are you sure about this? The stereotypical horny elder cougar wasn’t invented just to give aspiring male strippers pause and make reading Ben Franklin’s letters awkward for schoolchildren…

        11. From my limited grasp of those old times, men were encouraged to take on as many wives as they could reasonably support. Keeps the children flowing, keeps the man satisfied, and you have an entire ‘village’ of women to look after the brood.
          Something to note: in the Old West, the Church owned almost the entirety of brothels. Men would drink, get drunk, fuck the prostitutes, maybe beat the shit out of them. Release all their anger and inhibitions. Then they’d go back and be mostly lawful at the home.

        12. Actually I kind of was. Don’t get me wrong, menopause in 2% of the female population causes an over abundance of T, but the rest go stone dead. I see proof of it around me everywhere.

        13. I’ve seen unfortunate evidence to the contrary.
          There are older women buying romance novels, viewing 50 Shades of Grey, fawning over 0bama (etc) to the point that I find the idea that only 2% of the female population older than 45 has no libido hard to believe.

        14. Yep, I think the strong independent sexualized elder woman (cougar) if you will, is nothing more than female empowerment fantasy.

        15. He excuses God for his own physical weaknesses. This is how men did it, doesnt mean how God intends it to be. He is in for a big surprise when he becomes a real ghost.

        16. My parents made that deal and seemed to be happy with it. When I divorced the first time they each sat me down to say no. I told them each that we hadn’t had sex in over 6 months. They independently told me they had not had sex with each other in 20 years. Marriage is about having and raising kids.

        17. In my parents case, my very religious mother told my father after her thirteenth pregnancy that she was done, and he was welcome to seek his comfort elsewhere. Birth control was a sin you see.

        18. Being married to a Filipina my social circles have tons of Asian women. I don’t know about their sex drive, but tons of 40 and above Asian women of my acquaintance could go head to head with most 25 year olds, and pull any guy they want. I have an old Filipina friend (from before I met my wife) that is older than me (and that is old) and still is quite attractive. The last time we met it was at a formal affair and she was wearing a dress that was lace down to her ankles but the inner skirt barely covered the essentials. And she looked damn good.

      3. I don’t think so, I experienced the opposite. My situation might be a little unique in that she was a virgin when we married, and went from prude to fairly forward in the course of about 5-10 years, but at with her at mid 30’s we have sex probably 3-5 times/week. I think a big thing is to turn off the TV and send the kids to bed before she is too tired. Also, we read through various marriage counseling type books together, just a page or so. I know it sounds silly, but it keeps the hamster wheels turning for her, that she needs to keep up her attractiveness for me (and vice versa). I think so many older couples get complacent in their relationship that they drift apart without realizing it.

        1. You might be in a unique situation. The vast majority of couples I know, the kid pops out and suddenly the hubby wakes up next to a woman who cropped her hair off into a pixie cut and who is bothering him to go out shopping for a minivan while saying “No, not now, we’ll have time later this week. Let’s schedule a date night every other week on the calendar and we can have sex then!” (this is the beginning of the end, fellas, note this well).

        2. Despite claims of “50% divorce rate!”, the divorce rate among professional/educated whites is pretty low, like way below 50% I believe (I need to look that up again, that may no longer be true, dunno). Of that demographic, which is my own, I’ve seen so many couples descend right into this. One chick where I used to work way back when it was “my child sowing times” had a baby, took her six weeks off from work, and came back in with her hair in that weird Megan Kelly cut, and some guy in our group when she showed up at a meeting said “Uh oh, you’ve morphed into “a mom” it appears!”

        3. My wife cut her hair short like that once.
          I asked her, “Did you intentionally cut your hair to make yourself look ugly?”. That is about the last time I made her cry. 5 years later, she still reminds me every now and then, but she has her hair well past her shoulders.
          Honestly, there is a symbolism that means much more than a haircut. It would be the same as if I just hung out wearing sweats and a tanktop. I try to keep myself attractive for my wife, I expect her to do the same.

        4. And nearly perfectly describes 95% of my friends in married relationships. “When’s the last time you had sex”.. “Who cares?”. If that’s really how you feel about the MOST significant and powerful drive in the human body, well then, you’re basically dead already, just forgot to stop breathing.

        5. I think the 50% divorce rate is the average of the entire country, not just professional/educated whites.

        6. That’s what I was alluding to. It’s an average. Of the entire nation, I guarantee you that LaQuansha and Jamalle, if they even bothered to get married, divorced within two weeks. Meanwhile, Steve and Nancy Ruralcouple, stuck through it even if it meant spiritual death.

        7. My wife has kept her long blonde locks long, until about a year ago. When she said that the stylist “accidentally” cut off most of the length, and said “what do you think?” I answered calmly and matter of factly “You know I’m not fond of short hair on women, sweety” then turned my attention to the road. I got a semi-glare, but a year later, it’s grown out a lot and the stylist no longer “accidentally” cuts it short.
          Shit test 101.

        8. What is all this hate for minivans? They are incredibly practical and handy. I don’t have one anymore as the kids are grown and gone. But I do remember them fondly and sometimes when I am picking a large item up at Home Depot I miss them.

        9. My young wife (Filipina) has hair down past her ass. she frequently says she wants to cut her hair short. I tell her I won’t divorce her if she does, but she can kiss off getting any sex from me until it grows back. So far she has not cut it.

        10. Withholding sex is a bad idea in my opinion. It is one of the glues that hold a marriage together. If you do that, I could see her say “eff it” and let herself go. Drop a compliment on occasion, or tell her “I really like it when……” I will drop a criticism on occasion, but it should be VERY sparingly, like few enough that she can correct her actions and get positive feedback before you give her something else to work on.
          Ultimatums are risky, if you don’t follow through, you lost your credibility.

      4. My second wife, who died way too young had 4 children and was still the nymphomaniac I married. You keyed my memory with “blowjobs while rolling down the road “. She loved sex in public or semi-public places. If she had lost 90% of her sex drive, it wasn’t apparent to me. Maybe I had failed to completely satisfy her for years before that fourth child.

  7. “.. by weighing her values, beliefs, and sexual history.”
    Which women have become more adept at hiding and obfuscating.
    A good man around my age who I have known for over 20 years, and married longer, once told me something I also thought profound. We were talking about relationships and marriage which he replied (Quote), “when you have made the decision to make her your wife and she accepts, you need to realize you are taking a solemn vow before God. That is why you are doing the cermony in his house with all your friends and relatives as witnesses. She needs to understand that as well. The marriage is bigger than just the two of you and you owe it to God to give it your best. Because if you don’t mate, God is going to f*ck you right proper.”
    Most women today make it all about “her day” and use the church (which most facilitate this tragedy) as backdrop for the photoshoot instead of her vow to devote herself to her husband.

    1. Most women today make it all about “her day” and use the church (which most facilitate this tragedy) as backdrop for the photoshoot instead of her vow to devote herself to her husband.

      Absolutely.

    2. Now, stop, read, and make God about marriage for yourselves too before you encourage polygamy and having sides. Hypocrites. Ridiculous

        1. It is not a rant. It is a post which generalize the mentality that marriage vows before God are not one sided. If God says love your wife as you love yourself, that doesnt mean cheating. Im sure men wouldnt want to screw themselves over. God is spirit and the physical weakness of men who cant be happy with one woman doesnt negate the standards and commands set for both men and woman. You cannot create a God of your leniency. These are the supposed men who encourage christianity? This is cultural Christianity and nothing to do with Jesus and the spirit.

        2. Cheating is a social construct to keep humans in line for the betterment of society. Along with religion

        3. Im sure deception is definitely a betterment of society or any basing whatsoever…
          Everything just went over your head.

  8. Perhaps someone here can answer a question I’ve thought about lately.
    Feminism assumes implicitly that while patriarchy might have worked at one time, it doesn’t work in The Current Year, and feminism had to step into the void to replace it.
    What year did patriarchy stop working, then? Did man’s nature mysteriously change all of a sudden to make this kind of “social progress” possible?

    1. i wrote some thoughts further down in this thread…. basically what it amounts to is life becoming more multi layered via technology – such that women didn’t just get married at 20 and have 10 kids to 35 and then become grand mothers and help their sons and daughters have children…. a woman’s body and sexuality and even intellect is really hardwired for pumping out babies because even 150 yrs ago 1/2 of them died. so once the urgency to have one baby after the next is removed and once the family tree is disconnected so that grandmothers are playing golf instead of helping with grand kid no#20, they had nothing to do…. so they looked at the men’s world and moved in on what they thought was so wonderfully interesting….
      but really the men’s world is a lot of hard work and stress… we just make it look fun because we are men….
      what feminism should have done is make women more feminine, more supportive, more nurturing, and more focused on being feminine, even if that didn’t mean having 15 kids one after the next.
      instead mommy rushes off back to the office 12 months after giving birth and we wonder why all the kids are on meds by the age of 10

    2. Patriarchy is the natural order. Matriarchy is but a power grab, and it has always lead to a justified future collapse. Don’t know how it started this time.

      1. Matriarchy is how women arrange themselves with the grandmother taking care of the new mother… it’s fine for women….. and a few pussy beta male helpers.. it’s fine…. it’s not a social system for organizing an entire nation… it’s how a household is organized in absence of the man of the house, while he’s bring home the bacon…. it’s the management structure of a good family…. the Matriarch does everything and the man the bread winner steps into this well organized, well oiled home and wants for nothing… he can relax….
        Matriarchy is management of a household….. little risk taking, little innovation and rule by emoting and shaming and social entanglements… that’s why it’s lousy in an office, military or Govt.

    3. Feminism assumes that patriarchy never worked, and that all of human history is slavery and misery. According to feminism, 10000 years of progress is a lie.

    4. The doesn’t sound like it ought to be a real question needing consideration. It may be, however, useful as a rhetorical question in order to demonstrate the absurdity of feminism.

    5. Yeah…it happened when males started eating tons of soy, baby formula and being neutered by strong single moms with penis envy.

  9. When we grow up, we learn intellectually that old women start out as young women. But then we don’t really understand what this means until we witness for ourselves young women becoming old women – and for women, “oldness” can start by their late 20’s, because women age sexually a lot faster than men.
    Teenage boys, college age young men and men in their 20’s don’t really appreciate this when they fall in love with similarly aged girls. Then a few years later they realize that the girls they feel attracted to now have stayed the same age, while the women they thought they couldn’t live without several years earlier have deteriorated significantly and just don’t do it for them sexually.
    I suppose we could explain this to young men to try to Red Pill them, but they have to experience it for themselves to absorb its implications.

    1. The saving grace here is that if these men start out red pill (yeah, I now, probably not realistic), they will understand that they must pick a traditional woman who will, in time, quietly look the other way and pretend to not notice the 23 year old mistress on the side that her husband has taken. If she’s logical (well, as much as a girl can be) and reasonable, she’ll see the upside to staying in the relationship and simply being content to move forward with a man who will still love her, although he no longer desires her over the wall looks. This is the traditional outlet for lust that most men think is no longer possible in this day and age.

      1. Yeah, maybe for women who have no self esteem. How many sane, feminine, nice, traditional women do you know who would see the upside of being loyal to a husband who is fucking other women? If you became impotent in your old age and your wife decided to fuck other men would you see an upside to that? Lets be real, if men want to fuck a variety of women, go for it! Have fun, but don’t get married. Or marry a woman who is ok with that but remember that most woman who are ok with that are ok with both of you fucking other people.

        1. Almost all of them prior to the 1960’s. Thanks for playing girly girl.

        2. From the 1960s to the beginning of time? How far back are you going with this now? Come on, you don’t strike me as a stupid guy. “Almost all of them” is a bit general no? But I get your point about sexual bordom or no longer having the same level of passion for a spouse as the years go by. This is not unique to men. And men don’t look 20 forever either. Women too, of all ages appreciate the body and face of young fit men. The solution isn’t to destroy the heart of a loyal spouse so you can taste fresh meat. If a man really can’t get past an aging women then the solution is to not get married and date as many young women until he’s too old to get out of bed. And if you’re married that’s when you try new things together. The point of this artilce is that passion alone isn’t the answer, there has to be something more.

        3. Some women would understand and be grateful their husband was still financially supporting them despite their age and unattractiveness. If Mrs GhostOfJefferson is 40+ and the kids are grown, is there an incentive to stay with her? And if Mrs Ghostofjefferson ok with her husband taking a mistress, what’s the harm? It’s the lying that’s immoral. If she’s aware and consents, then no issue. Possibly with the children. My uncle had such an agreement, and although my aunt (very well kept and 16 years younger) accepted his need for a young girl, when their daughter found out she was a mess and I’m convinced it’s what drove her into the feminist camp.

        1. I love my wife. She’s born my children and given me great pleasure for most of our time together.
          That has nothing to do with advice I dispense.

        2. Just because most ment havnt been able to uphold monogamy doesnt allow for it to be acceptable. Making up your own God with leniency doesnt do it too Mr. ghost

      2. A lot of Muslim and European societies still have that dynamic in place. Kinda why very few places outside of the US give a flying fuck if a politician gets caught boinking some chick on the side.

      3. So… since you no longer desire her over the wall looks, would you mind if she sleeps with other man who somehow thinks that she’s still attractive (behind your back, of course). You’re no longer sexually attracted to her anyway.
        From your other comments, I got the impression that you’re a religious man. Is it even okay in your religion to have a mistress?
        Just curious.

        1. A woman over a certain age eschews sex.
          How many women did the Biblical patriarchs have? What constituted a wife back then (hint, not a wedding)?
          Please reconsider your Prot-taught stuff and actually study the Bible.

        2. A lot. Not a wedding, indeed. Just a vow to take care of each other, basically. And then of course, sex.
          I’m not a christian myself. I don’t read Bible much (lame excuse, I know. I don’t have to be a believer just to read some religious scripts), but pretty much all christian/catholic friends of mine are oppose to the idea of polygamy. That’s why I thought it’s not allowed in their belief.

        3. All Prot religions get basically everything wrong except maybe knowing Christ as an individual (individual salvation). Catholics have become Prots with pretty chanting and less guitars. If you want hard core Christianity, look at the Russian/Greek Orthodox, and the Amish.
          If God wasn’t down with lots of women per one man, Solomon would have been the center of an epic lightning storm the likes of which would have put Thor to shame.

        4. Old testament. Not new. Read the bible and stop skewing morals. Adultery is a very serious sin, man or woman.

        5. I was raised Russian Orthodox. No disagreement with your advice intended but adultery is a sin in my Church, too. Sorry to disappoint.

        6. The bible defines adultery as a married woman having sex with a man not her husband, or a man having sex with another man’s wife. A husband having sex with another (single) woman is not adultery.

        7. Using the bible to set standards for societal behavior has not historically worked out so well. Even the most Christian religious groups do not believe in married couples having sex with other people, no matter what the bible says. Too many people take one or two verses from a book written over many years by many different people then form an ideal standard without considering the bible as a whole, with its many contradictions. If you believe that its ok to cease sex with your wife and sleep with another woman when she gets old, then ask your wife, the mother of your children and the person who has committed to a life with you, how she feels about that. Then imagine the reverse, it is her asking you how you feel about her no longer having sex with you and sleeping with another man. That’s where it really matters.

        8. The Old testament defines adultery this way. Again, I’m Russian Orthodox and the New Testament trumps the Old for us. Christ extended the Old definition of adultery, as did Paul. Also, Orthodoxy isn’t the place for Sola Scriptura nonsense so Church tradition plays a part here as well. But I suppose if you want to be precise a man who has sex with a married woman commits adultery, and married man who has sex with a single women commits fornication. The Church considers them both sins, both social and personal. Still not criticizing GhostofJefferson. If his wife is fine with their arrangement, God bless. It makes sense enough to me.

        9. If you’re a male, and truly alpha, your wife should understand. All women want the top 10% of guys. Therefore, the top 10% cannot be limited to just one wife. Supply and demand also works within personal relationships sweetie

      4. Ya know, I’ve always enjoyed your analysis of things, even when I might disagree, but I think you nailed this in a way I haven’t thought about before.
        I have always thought there was something wrong with the institution of marriage as it is, even with the few exceptions of people that it has worked for, but I couldn’t quite put my finger on it. For many years I thought maybe there was something wrong with me. (Hey, why have one woman, when I can have five? Surely this can’t lead to happiness!)
        It wasn’t until the last several years that I quit caring about it, and just enjoyed the pussy. But it was always on the tip of my tongue or in the back of my mind. “What am I missing here?”
        You have articulately extricated the mental splinter than has been bugging me for years.
        I just turned 45 on the 11th and have been having moments of mid-life reflection. Thank you…seriously….you have given me something fantastic to contemplate.

      5. I think every man should start blue pill and be kicked in the nuts a few times but early enough in life. Only then can you fully understand and appreciate the red pill mentality.

    2. As someone who has grown up in a very traditional and religious family, I’ll make a few observations:
      – Love is something can grow, despite looks. Its called attachment. My mother’s friend’s brother had an arranged marriage. He was model tier in looks. Got an arranged marriage. He said to find someone that looked like Aishwara(sp?) Rai and the woman turned out to look almost Jamaican haha, it was like something put of a comedy film. He had no choice in the end (long story) but his kids ended up looking just like him, blond haired and blue eyed (he’s ethnic Pakistani, I believe in the northern area, where they have that look). He says he was angry and probably still resentful, but he does a lot for her even when he doesn’t need to, defends her, etc. That’s compassion. Initial love isn’t needed, only what ot becomes.
      -As for other women as they age, I know a family member who went into polygamy. Wife 1 was old and the guy went to another country and got wife 2. 1 was angry but didn’t have a choice; she couldn’t get another guy, had kids, etc. She was angry, but eventually came to terms with it. Polygamy works, but the guy has to be successful enough.
      In both of these examples, the people came from traditional, religious backgrounds.

    3. “Then a few years later they realize that the girls they feel attracted to now have stayed the same age, while the women they thought they couldn’t live without several years earlier have deteriorated significantly and just don’t do it for them sexually”
      THIS.
      For any young guy who has found his ‘cupcake’ and is thinking of tying the knot and settling down, I tell him, the next time everyone is sitting together with her family – to take his eyes off the young, firm titted minx he wants to wife up, and instead to focus on her mother. Then I ask him if he would be happy bending her fat, saggy titted mother over the sink and banging her. Always the answer is “no”. But the fact is it is the saggy titted grandma is what one is going to end up with in 20 years down the road.
      And today any middle aged man can simply think of any super hottie he went to high school with and look her up on facebook, and be humbled at how she has become far less atractive.
      With female beauty it all turns to shit eventually, so if one marries there better be something else far more profound to keep the relationship until death; and usually there is not.
      “I suppose we could explain this to young men to try to Red Pill them, but they have to experience it for themselves to absorb its implications”
      Indeed. Some things are a rite of passage and have to be learned the hard way.

  10. The only love I feel is the one towards my closest family.
    Other than that you just feel attraction. Romantic love is bullsh*t.

  11. This is only slightly on topic, but it relates to seeking contentment in life and marriage. I just found out that two acquaintances (brothers), who outwardly had everything going for them – hot dutiful wives/mothers to their children (one is even Russian), good looks, good jobs, insane musical talent – were both heroin junkies who squandered away all their family’s money and mortgage payments. Now both wives have split with the kids. Divorces most likely to come.
    I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, seek contentment and appreciate what you got. You can’t escape reality, you have to just deal with what is there.

  12. Romantic love? Is that when you care enough to hand them a tissue after jizzing all over their face?

  13. The most damaging effect that television media has had on men and women is inflated expectations and with it, romantic love.
    Having gone through a traditional upbringing and arranged wedding, I can say safely that my marriage was a mere footnote in my overall interesting life story.
    I honestly don’t understand the whole hoopla some people make out of it.
    Marriage is meant to be a cold, calculated acquisition of a woman by a man to build his family and tribe.
    It’s what you build from it that matters and counts.

  14. There is no such thing as “the only one” for any straight man, at least not until early 40s.

      1. I agree with your implication. I think early 60s might be a more accurate age for settling down to one woman.

    1. spoken like a man who either a) has given up or b) isn’t in his early 40’s yet.

      1. Not yet.
        True.
        Speaking from personal observation of the current elders around me. It is perhaps different in other cultures.
        What do you think is the correct age, if there is one?

        1. Correct age? That is a personal choice. There are as many right answers as there are men. For me the answer is never. I am in my early 40’s and am pulling, with regularity, women in their mid to late 20s who are very high smv and I am having the time of my life doing so. I am also in better shape than most people half my age.

        2. how about 18-32 hard rule until I am old and gray. I am currently spinning 3 plates. 2/3 are younger than that rule and one of which is older by a year.

        3. That’s a rule made to be broken.
          “He’s 39 and holding…holding everything he can, from 17 to 25, to prove he’s still a man”

        4. With my most recent future ex wife I violated that rule. I was 52 (a month later I was 53) and she was 25. Never marry any woman who is over 25. If that is too young then you are too old. We are about to make it 9 years. This is the longest and happiest marriage of my four. And I think it was because I actively denied there was any chance of a relationship due to the age difference. She had to work for it and prove a lot.

        5. Are you….bragging? 3 divorces (and counting) isn’t a great track record, plus, divorce is expensive. Why don’t you just date instead wasting so much money on doomed marriages and divorces?

  15. As a child I remember overhearing my mother complaining about my father to her mom. Grandmother came to her son-in-law’s defense: “He doesn’t drink and he has a good job.” Very practical.
    Sorry if this is redundant(can’t watch the hour-long video at work) but I want to leave off by reaffirming that lifestyle and morals are the most important factor in mate-selection. IE, if you’re athletic and want school sports and camping trips to be a keystone of your family life, don’t overlook the woman from church who jogs every morning just because she has an average face. Landing the supermodel isn’t much of a victory if she runs up the credit cards, your daughter ends up as a thrill-seeking slut, and your son is a spoiled NEET.
    Oh, and Radix Journal did a nice piece on “World Nationalism”:
    http://www.radixjournal.com/journal/2014/10/31/i-dont-care

  16. I like being romantic from time to time. You can be romantic and still be respected by women. They do appreciate the occasional treat.The trick is to switch between being romantic and aloof when she least expect it. Always keep her on the edge and you’ll be fine.

    1. I think a big problem is that over the decades, the media has equated romanticism with materialism. Candy, flowers, dinners, gifts, jewelry, etc. is designed to drain your wallet. Go for a walk in the park, have a bonfire on the beach….etc. No need to spend money to be romantic. Same reason people say commercialism ruined Christmas.

    1. EDIT: Guys, that’s NSFW, so don’t click unless your boss doesn’t care about…those…kinds of things on the company servers.
      As to her, yes, that’s lust. And I can say yes, I’d fondly lust after that little filly.

      1. That’s my favorite semi-nude photo of all time…I’d crawl through 100 miles of raw sewage to pry her phone number from the curled-up fingers of a dying leper.

        1. Remember the kneeman’s rule of hot women. For every woman that you would crawl through raw sewage for there is always some guy who is so sick of her shit that hearing her name causes physical discomfort.

        2. I always try to think that way when faced with similar vaginas, but I have an addiction problem with this sort of thing…

        3. I am fortunate in that immediately after cumming, 100% of the time, I wish for the woman’s immediate spontaneous combustion. There is no woman I have dated for more than 6 weeks that I didn’t wish was hit by a bus.

        4. I remember some time ago walking out of my apartment dressed sharp and on my way to a date thinking how much I wish I would get a call from the police saying that she had been hit by a bus and was dead. I could say “oh my god that is terrible” and then go out and do something fun. This girl didn’t do anything wrong. She was wonderful. But the thought of sitting across from her drove me nuts. So I cancelled the date. That was when I instituted my death rule. The first time I wish a woman was dead I get rid of her. However, the subjectivity there was bad because as it turns out, wishing someone was dead didn’t always mean I didn’t want to fuck them. The rule has since morphed to a strict 6 week rule.

        5. I hear ya…Kneeman, have you ever thought about fucking them after they’re dead? Nothing wrong with cracking open a cold one, now and again. (I’d been waiting to use that necrophilia joke.)

        6. always liked that one.
          I think it is fun to ask a girl to get into an ice cold bath and then lay on the floor totally still while you fuck her so you can get the fucking the dead sensation. Watching the reaction is great.

        7. So how do you game a girl like that? Do you necrophilherup?

        8. Attempting to game a woman like that can have grave consequences. She might be cunt-tagious, especially if she’s coffin.

        9. So you feed her a few drinks, get her totally embalmed, then she starts to totally urn for you to be inside her?

        10. Indeed, when you’re ready to jump her bones, you really want to get her to knock off with her silly pretenses and climb on your meat wagon.

        11. necrophilia is dead boring. Try incest. It is only relatively boring.

        12. Everything is relative, you have a point there. But admit it now…most women are better fucks when they’re passed out. You can Gumby ’em all around, put six pillows under their abdomen, ass pointing toward the ceiling, etc.

        13. fuck no. I want that bitch wide awake and on top of me with her feet on the bed like a little frog. Plus, I like a girl with kung fu grip action. I think here in NYC they teach girls to use those muscles in 5th grade.

        14. In the fifth grade? You wouldn’t be “kidding” would you. To each their own. I prefer dead submissive. “Oh-oh-oh-oh-oh-oh…OH-MY-FUCKING-GODDDDD”. Etc.

        15. sex ed starts early here in the big city. In 5th grade they separate the boys and the girls. The girls learn kegel muscle control, how to deep throat a banana and how to make those origami tell your fortune thing that all girls magically know how to make that open one way then the other and then you unfold. Boys learn math.

        16. I actually have a very particular taste and I seem to have zeroed in to it pretty well.

        17. In that case, one should be standing in that other line over there- they call that line “the pedophile”.

        18. My first ex-wife was one of those super hot women (at 21). I learned the above lesson the hard way. I believe her name is The Bitch (note use of the definite article); at least I have called her nothing else for the past almost 40 years and everyone knows to whom I am referring.

        19. BTW – just fyi trivia: the cover for the DVD of Pretty Woman – the female body is actually another chick, with the main actress’s head super imposed over it.

      1. Thanks for pointing out who she is. I’m taking that bitch down…or at least stalking her till she gets a restraining order.

        1. I believe that the planets must be aligning, we seem to agree on the hotness of this particular broad.

        2. I thought she had to weigh over 300 to be considered to have a supermoon…….or is it quality over quantity?

        3. Got to keep in mind, when Homer wrote the story, feminists were non-existent. They would be worth more.
          Women were fought over in wars in the past, but they were only propaganda pieces. To get people worked up, there has to be some simple emotional mantra that is easily repeated. Now of days, it is all about “Black Lives Matter” (not really, it is about the advancement of communism), back then maybe stealing a woman was effective for the sheeple back then.

        4. I just thought it was ludicrous how Achilles sent her back, then sacked the city he sent her to, just in an attempt to get her back. Holy fuck dude, make up your mind. I’d have sailed after avenging Patroclus.

        5. Yeah…sad. Paris stole a cock-carousel-riding married slut and started a war. Achilles protected that slave chick (why, who knows). White knights and simps galore in that film. Meanwhile, the rich got richer and did none of those things, while doing whatever they wanted in the process. Same shit, different day.

        6. Hector should’ve just done the right thing from the beginning. Saved a whole lot of lives. Priam should’ve turned Paris and Helen over when they got to Troy. So many folks had the opportunity to save so many lives (mostly their own) and completely blue-pilled it to hell and back.

        7. Yeah it was a total clusterfuck. All of it over a woman, basically. When you think about it, it just reinforces what we already know. Women can’t keep their legs together, married or not. Thus, they aren’t worth it. Somebody had a good laugh over that blue-pill behavior, when that was all going down (the super-powerful laughed while their minions behaved as programmed).

        8. Historically, Aggamemnon was the real winner in that conflict (of course until he got home, where his crazy bitch of a wife murdered him)

        9. Fucking women. That’s kind of prophetic though. Aggamemnon returned. Return of Kings. Then he was murdered by a woman. Like female SJWs would do to ROK readers…wow. Heavy, man.

        10. Achilles killed the Amazonian (read: feminist) Queen Penthesilia in battle. When another soldier laughed at him for falling in love with her dead body, Achilles killed him too. Nothing new under the sun.

        11. The Trojan war was not fought over Helen. It was fought over Paris dishonoring the hospitality rules which governed decent behavior. Warriors didn’t fight over damsels they fought over honor.

        12. Is that photo a classic portrait taken from Penthouse magazine? They don’t shoot photos like that these days it seems.

    2. Aaah. So that’s what those crazy newfangled seats are all about
      http://rs73.pbrsc.com/albums/i233/snuffster_2006/015_zpse67b13f4.jpg?w=480&h=480&fit=clip
      One would think those newfangled wedgie seats were for riding on your knuckles or something
      http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/660/media/images/82343000/jpg/_82343290_p7010066-clenched_fist-spl.jpg
      A new criteria – if she can sit on a bike wedgie seat without swallowing it
      http://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/c2/85/7f/c2857fc69ff293cbd3b359c2ef40d639.jpg

  17. Women in Sweden demanded “gender-neutral” snow plowing (not fair, bc the streets get plowed first, and more women walk, and a few fell down in the snow). Result? Chaos during a blizzard. The article is over on breitbart- have we finally reached peak feminism??

      1. Well, women wanted the sidewalks plowed first…and then it snowed….and then…

        1. …and then she slipped…and then she found herself naked…and being kebab’ed on the knobs of some moose-lammic rapefugees…and then…

      2. “Knee grows in the Swedish snows shoveled by spades”.
        Hey, if you were a spade, would your screen name be, “lolkneegro”?

    1. I thought you were joking but I just read the article! Speechless.
      As for peak feminism, we’re not there yet, we will be when they impose man tax as they’ve already tried it in Sweden.

  18. “First you fuck them hard, then comes love”
    A women said this to me and its the naked truth. They hide it because they do not want to be portrayed as sluts, but God knows, they want to be fucked in to oblivion.
    A part from this, i am a big fan of the Romantic period as far as Nationalism goes as it is the birth of true liberalism, not this modern fraud.

    1. “they do not want to be portrayed as sluts, but God knows, they want to be fucked in to oblivion.”
      This is the real reason for the outrage over Trump’s Pussy comments. Trump pretty much said that women throw themselves at him simply because he’s rich/famous. Women hate being publicly reminded that they’re by and large complete sluts, even if they desire the freedom to be that slut.

      1. first hand pragmatic philosophy about chicks. Seems to have triggered half the planet though.

      2. In Portugal there is kind of a saying, that is spoken by women that goes like this: “if you know how to do it, any women can become a whore in bed”. Translation: if a man is strong and masculine enough, i will do what you want me to do. I heard it dozens and dozens of times, and the fact that is said by women, proves our point. That idealistic crap of the disney princess, that cant bear a sexual man is just nonsense.

  19. Romantic love is fine, but there is a time and a place, Like after you bought the ring. Getting hung up on a girl too early will not only make you look like a simp, it will drive her away.
    I love my wife deeply, it wasn’t until I proposed that I told her that.

  20. Good point about seeing beyond passion and movie style romance which is not sustainable in the long term. However the romantic area was initiated by male artists, writers and poets of those times. There may have been more female writers that arose, but the most famous writers and artists of the romantic era were mostly men.

  21. “Stay commited and will have love as a consequence; Marry for love and you will not have commitment.”
    A preacher said this to me some time ago.
    Courtship was not a part of the romantic relationships in ancient times, but men still had the role of conqueror in the sexual ground, and that involves romantic love. Solomon knew this. What difers him from other romanticists is that he also knew that lasting romantic love doesn’t exist outside a marriage based on duty and commitment.
    Song of Songs is a compilation of poems and songs that were used on marriage ceremonies. The reason why this book is on the Bible is to dignify human love, which was instituted by God himself.
    It is to remind men that they must love their wives, and everyone knows that men can easily forget this. This love comes in the form of commitment and fidelity, concepts that were not popular among the non believers. In the Old World, the notion of romantic love being directly linked with commitment is an unique characteristic of the Jewish people, which is someting very interesting to note.

    1. As with most things, jino’s were responsible with distorting a pure message with a cancerous one to subvert the masses. They are fallen.

  22. I feel like protesting, but you make good points. Sometimes the cognitive dissonance in my head is comical.
    “While there are multiple reasons for divorce in any society, it is rather coincidental that the countries most impacted by notions of romantic love happen to have the highest divorce rates.”
    Doesn’t have to be a bad thing, though. Why would you need lifelong partnership? Its a bit silly actually. Take ‘lifelong’ out of ‘lifelong marriage’ and you actually can interpret the data in a positive way: People are free to get married and when it doesn’t work out, they can part ways and find a better partner, as opposed to cultures where social shame forces them together and makes it nigh impossible to even consider divorce.
    Ironically, life-long marriage, in my opinion, is something that profits the woman much more than it does a successful man. She gets old, ugly, bitchy, boring and an annoyance to be with. (maybe there are exceptions, but thats about what I hear and experienced).
    Why this attachment to life-long? One thing I get is when you have children, that it would make sense to stay married at least until the kids are old enough to be their own persons. But after that? Why stay together necessarily if there is a desire to end it?
    That said, it is entirely plausible to assume that often the desire to end it is in itself a response to social pressure and indoctrination, telling us ‘something is missing, you are doing it wrong’, as you elaborated. It would definitely not be the first indoctrinated idea that urges people to go against their own best interests in the name of empty virtue signalling.
    What a mad world we live in.
    “Women were given the chance to pick between excitement or responsibility, and we know what they have chosen.”
    You gotta wonder: Was it the women who chose? Or did they just use the old trick of convincing everyone that everyone else agrees with the bullshit? A guy on Youtube quoted a passage from 1984, went something like this: The two minutes of hate were directed towards an individual whose expression of anti-party values was so exaggerated and grotesque that a child would have laughed at it. But it was just realistic enough to convince yourself that someone who was not as level-headed as yourself might fall for it.

    1. Correlation does not imply causation. The reason why arranged marriages tend to last longer is because typically the parties live in a society where divorce is illegal, impossible, or absolutely taboo. It’s not uncommon to see extra wives and mistresses taken on as the relationship enters a point where we’d see a divorce in the West.

    2. My wife worked in a nursing home for a few years. She told me about the couple in their nineties who were getting divorced. She asked them why after all these years. The woman replied, “We wanted to wait until all the children were dead.”

  23. I think a big problem is over the last century, the media has equated romanticism with materialism. Candy, flowers, dinners, jewelry, gifts, etc….all is designed to drain your wallet. Women see these gifts and they are able to gloat over their friends how much you are wrapped around their finger, but it does not attract them. Anyone can buy gifts, all it does is make you look needy and/or have bad spending habits. Of course, you shouldn’t be cheap, but don’t go out of your way.

  24. Much truth here in this article. Much more to consider than just if she has a great ass, gives great head and makes you feel so good when you’re with her to consider marrying her. Just my $.02

  25. Wow. As much as we claim to be red pill, how many of us objectively considered all the logically based reasons for pairing with a woman long term? And, no, “she’s hot, seemingly feminine, and loyal” do not count. i want to know how often we actually assess if said female is objectively beneficial for us and our brood; and to a larger scale our communities/nations, etc.
    Thanks for reminding me of these things. Great article.

  26. Is she good with kids? Is she feminine? Can she be relied upon from time to time as a solo actor? Does she show you the respect you’re due? Does she contribute back to the family what she takes? Is she relatively stable (in the context of being a woman, of course) or is she a flake? Does she make you feel content, and is she a person to be content?

    1. Also does she get all dressed up in lengere and dangle it in your face like it’s some big special treat for being a good boy, like you had to earn it somehow buying her some bling or a car for Pete’s sake? . . . . Or does she keep it domestic and simple? Does she keep it private yet out and available when indoors, like a rolling buffet cart whenever DICKO DADDYO feels like snuffing his nail gun in passing??
      http://firefap.com/pics/530/big-ass-blonde-milf-kitchen.jpg
      And also is she ultimately in business for herself as a tool rental supply? Is she a thirst tax collector?
      http://guysgab.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Atlantic-City-Stripclub.jpg
      Or does she use her equipment for its intended purpose?
      http://ste.india.com/sites/default/files/styles/zm_350x200/public/2016/03/08/467185-breast.gif?itok=U1fETKtK

  27. Gotta say I don’t see how you could stay with a woman when she’s past 31 or so, in many cases around late 20s they start to look very different (in a bad way).
    Talk about trapping yourself.
    And why, so you can have pride in your DNA growing up and looking like you? I passed my DNA, they look just like me! Im so proud!

    1. Your grandfather frowns at you from beyond. As do all of your other male relatives the last 40,000 years. Well done, you’ve alienated your entire family for 4 thousand centuries.

      1. Can’t speak for Steve but most of my ancestors weren’t too particular when they were walkin’ around, and now they’ve been eatin’ dirt for a few millenia anyways.

      2. What’s wrong with Steve’s comment? It’s honest. Maybe not practical but I doubt his grandfather would disagree with the basic sentiment.

    2. knocking a girl up is the easy part, the trick is the dad part. Even if they looked like me, I wouldn’t be proud if they became a SJW.

    3. My wife of nearly 9 years is 33 and is within 2 pounds of the weight on our wedding day. she is cuter now than then. Her mother (two years younger than me) still has a cute figure and hair past her ass.

      1. Likely she still looks good to you because of your age. If you were 35 she wouldn’t look so appealing anymore.

        1. No insult to her, of course, just saying that everything is relative. I’ve just turned 25 so 33 seems irredeemably old to me.

        2. Ha ha! “33 seems old.” I can understand that as I thought the same thing at your age, but believe me, when you’re 45, people in their 50s won’t seem that old anymore. One thing about getting old, if you do it right, you’ll be enjoying life more then you did when you were 25. 🙂

  28. It’s not Sternberg’s idea that an perfect love should have Commitment, Intimacy and Passion that is the problem. The problem is that the culture and media say that passion is the only component required. And passion alone never endures.

  29. Simple question:
    Is she part of the crew or part of the cargo?
    If she’s no good…move on. Let her make some other idiot unhappy not you.
    doclove.com

  30. I’m not convinced men are capable of romantic love. Maybe it can be learned given the proper circumstance, but it’s not in a man’s basic nature. And because there are so few qualified muses available these days to inspire it, proper circumstances are impossibly rare. Women belong to the realm of romantic love. Lust and the desire for physical domination and ownership are the province of men. Don’t confuse that with romantic love.

    1. It is only men that can love romantically. I have six sisters and have been married 4 times. Women are incapable of romantic love. It is all a con job they put out to get stuff from men.

      1. A cynic! haha Women are emotional creatures (they can be wily, too, as you seem to have discovered but that’s another story) Romantic love, as opposed to physical or spiritual love, is a product of our emotions. Not to say men can’t offer a romantic gesture. They can and some do it well but only with the intent to seduce the woman. What would seduce you? A romantic gesture or big tits and a firm ass?

  31. Pretty solid advice. I picked my wife for her looks, her feminine skills, and her non-Western patriarchal upbringing. I didn’t view it as a business deal at the time, but in hindsight that’s exactly what it was.

  32. Is this true? That Roosh lives in his mom’s basement??
    https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/an-exclusive-tour-of-roosh-vs-moms-basement
    And since “Return of Kings” insists that “Daily Mail” is valuable source of information, they have a fun article on him.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3432531/Pictured-pick-artist-center-international-pro-rape-storm-t-shirt-shorts-door-mother-s-home-lives-basement.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailus

  33. Western women have grown up thinking the world owes them. That they are the centre of the universe. That if they like pumpkin spiced latte so should everyone else. Who raised these paragons of virtue? What homes did they live in where everything was expected for them and nothing expected of them? They are now licking their wounds post Trump but they are far from finished. A new grouping of cucks and betas are waiting to help them pick up the pieces of their failed SJW campaign into global significance. They will be propped up by zionists neocons and other globalist thinking persons hitherto yet unknown. If you think it’s over. Think again.

  34. People fall in and out of “love” all the time. What is more important is respect. Respecting him and his last name.

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