Wikileaks’ “Vault 7” Revelations Prove That We Are Already In Orwell’s 1984

Smart TVs that spy on your every action and word, hijacked vehicles used to assassinate dissidents, operating systems deliberately altered to track all you do on a computer or smartphone. Seems like science fiction, right? In fact, these are merely the daily tools of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), as revealed this month by Wikileaks.

Locked in a desperate tussle with its chief rival, the National Security Agency (NSA), the CIA has been developing clandestine ways to monitor and even assassinate its targets. In many capacities, especially those pertaining to cyber warfare, the CIA’s Langley, Virginia headquarters often had to rely on the NSA for technical expertise. It would appear that an extreme desire for independence, mixed with a massive injection of taxpayer funds, pushed the CIA to cultivate its own hacker methods and computer specialist armies to carry them out.

Whilst this may seem logical to some, the problem facing the CIA–and by extension the US government and America itself–is that the blueprints, if not all the details of this cyber warfare build-up have been widely disseminated by current and former employees, to the point that they have ended up right in the lap of Wikileaks.

Here are some of the key–and shocking–revelations coming from the so-called Vault 7 leaks, which make you wonder whether the fears of George Orwell in 1984 have been directly transplanted into 2017:

The CIA is now able to hack other countries and make it look like a foreign government (Russia?) did it

“ZOMG! The Russians are trying to hack us!”

The existence of Project Umbrage threatens to blow the “Russia hacked us” narrative out of the water, if it hasn’t already. Umbrage involves the CIA meticulously studying the hacking methods of foreign powers and then copying them, leaving digital “fingerprints” that enable it and other US agencies (who may or may not be in the loop) to blame a cyber attack on, say, Russia or China. The possibility for going after Russia is spectacularly relevant given the regular insistences of Hillary Clinton and almost every other Democrat that Kremlin-funded computer hackers handed Donald Trump the 2016 election. Other than mostly unconfirmed and extremely vague reports from the CIA, FBI, and NSA, precious little evidence has been proffered to prove any of these allegations.

Thanks to the Vault 7 leaks, false flag incidents involving sophisticated hacking attempts have gone from theoretical brain exercises to a genuine means of forcing the US into war. Breaking with at least half of his party in December 2016, former Republican Presidential nominee and Senator John McCain called the alleged “Russian” hackings before the recent election “an act of war.” Chillingly, an Umbrage-style doctoring of a hacking attempt could easily lead to another situation where multiple senior politicians call for immediate military action against a foreign, nuclear-armed power. And because the relationship between cyber attacks and acts of war are so vague, a future President might inadvertently use an Umbrage-inspired cyber attack as a pretext for a most catastrophic war.

Telegram, WhatsApp and other “encrypted” messaging applications are worthless if the CIA has access to your phone or computer

“Hello, is it me that’s not secure anymore?”

Much has been made in recent times about the relative cyber safety of different messaging applications. Skype, like Facebook’s Messenger service, is widely acknowledged as one of the least secure major platforms. Attention has consequently turned to alternatives like Telegram and WhatsApp. But the Vault 7 leaks conclusively disprove the notion that they are “safe.” The issue is not with the apps themselves but rather the CIA’s capability to intercept messages before they are encrypted. Custom-made malware for iOS (Apple) and Android operating systems, the latter of which runs Samsung devices, ensures that Langley and its operatives, or any other party with the same capabilities, can mine whatever you type and record.

Because the phone and computer markets are very oligopolistic in nature, with less than a dozen companies in each industry controlling 90+% of production, the CIA only needs the same number of basic procedures to keep almost the world’s entire digital population within its reach. A new iPhone or Samsung Galaxy may come out, yet the odds are that the hackers at Langley and elsewhere will only need to add a few tweaks to exercise the same pervasive surveillance powers that they had with previous models. So next time you feel the need to research “safer” applications, remember that the biggest problem will be with your phone and its operating system.

The CIA has sidestepped the US government’s promise to inform companies about security flaws

The CIA moved around Obama’s promise, so which other agencies are doing the same. And why?

Particularly in a climate of corporate espionage, mostly perpetrated by Chinese firms, and rampant consumer concerns over privacy, Western companies stand to lose billions from security flaws in their products. To this end, the Obama Administration committed itself to approaching companies about these problems if they became known to arms of the US government. The CIA has clearly sidestepped this requirement, although the exact legal implications of this non-disclosure are contestable.

Going back to Samsung devices, the CIA used these “zero-day vulnerabilities” to turn the South Korean company’s smart TVs into spying devices–even when they were turned “off.” In a sign that these activities go far beyond one agency, British intelligence services were also intricately involved in creating the “Weeping Angel” technique. The owner of this kind of hacked television is unable to detect the outside interference and anything they do or say in the vicinity of the device can be picked up and transmitted back to the hacker.

Death by hacked car, anyone?

The recent Wikileaks revelations will only embolden those who claim that investigative journalist Michael Hastings was murdered by the CIA.

Leaks that date from 2014 show the CIA’s intense interest in learning to hijack the vehicle control systems of cars. The rise of smart cars and the impending rise of driverless cars means that the vast majority of vehicles on our roads are now exposed to some risk of third-party sabotage from afar. The interconnectedness of more sophisticated entertainment systems with the nuts-and-bolts components like brakes and suspensions means that a potential hacker may not even need to target the more essential elements of a vehicle to kill someone. For instance, just as Samsung phones were recently recalled after their batteries exploded, the CIA could exploit an otherwise unknown electrical flaw in a car entertainment system to drive it off the road.

This month’s dumping of files will do nothing but galvanize those who say that the CIA murders those who look into or try to expose its more secretive activities. One name you are likely to hear is that of Michael Hastings, who died in a car accident several years ago. I am sure that some people with a huge interest in the Wikileaks CIA files will start adding more names of those possibly killed in order to silence them. The specter of “undetectable assassinations” is a very real one and, whatever reservations you can have about whether a certain individual was killed off, it is now unfair to immediately call others “conspiracy theorists” for making such suggestions.

The CIA can indefinitely spy on you, but it can’t keep tabs on which of its operatives and contractors are leaking

Snowden’s leaks were not even the tip of the iceberg.

Maybe the CIA will track down those responsible for the most damaging leaks in its history. Maybe not. But what cannot be refuted right now is that, for all its technological sophistication and massive insights into the lives of anyone it chooses to target, this agency is thoroughly unable to police its own workers. And that portends very badly for the security of both the United States and its citizens. A foreign government or criminal organization, for example, could offer a US government employee a tiny fraction of its wealth, perhaps $1 million, in return for secrets potentially endangering the lives of millions.

CIA computer and other experts, whether employed directly or as contractors, do earn very respectable incomes, but not enough to make them immune to the bribes of outside forces. There was some debate over just how much Edward Snowden was earning before he became America’s most wanted man, with the whistleblower himself saying $200,000 per annum and another source claiming a more moderate $122,000. Snowden, you will remember, worked as both a direct employee and contractor for the CIA and NSA respectively. Nevertheless, his unprecedented revelations about the American government’s surveillance capabilities might easily have come from another, paid-off colleague if they hadn’t come from him.

At this stage, it is hard to say whether the original leakers behind Vault 7 did the world a great service or a terrible injustice. What we know for sure, however, is that next to nothing in this world is truly private anymore.

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371 thoughts on “Wikileaks’ “Vault 7” Revelations Prove That We Are Already In Orwell’s 1984”

  1. (((NSA)))
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    Israel’s Mossad ‘Working Closely’ with NSA Over Spying
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    1. (((CIA)))
      Deputy Director February 9, 2015 – January 20, 2017: (((David S. Cohen)))

  2. I wonder if any of these underlings who carry out their globalist masters bidding can even stop to look at themselves in the mirror and try to understand the evil they do. Do they really believe constant surveillance of all humans is a worthy endeavor? Even real dictators in the past didn’t give two shits about what everybody was doing / thinking, they just wanted control of their land and that was it. This is mental illness on a grand scale through all the “intelligence community” employees. God will be swift in his judgment of all who carry forth satan’s agenda, regardless of whether you are an agent / family man or not. Hopefully more of the people who do this eventually see the light inside themselves before its finally extinguished and come back to their senses that this is not a natural phenomena. A world with zero privacy is ripe for revolution against the coddling globalist desecrating babysitters.

    1. Every action monitored is one step closer to controlling the cyclical behaviors of man and influence the apathy levels to making a people more plod worthy. Much easier to make you do something if you think the action was going to happen independent of you.

    2. Actually, as it has already been proven through countless examples, surveillance this massive is totally ineffectual. The reason I can think why it persists is only because it is a way for ever and ever greater subsidies towards the C.I.A. and the N.S.A. and also a way of crowding liberals into espionage. Honestly even if they want to hunt “trolls” and “neo-nazis” the amount of information that needs to be handled is so massive that they cannot manage it. A similar phenomenon, concerning american type espionage, which in contrast to Russian is always massive and wants to have every easily accessible information can only get rumours and stagetalk at best. The Russian method on the other hand was specific and highly targeted, the spy wouldn’t come back every day with a success but whenever he would that would be something significant, i.e. a blueprint, emergency plans etc.. All that in Alexander Orlov’s book about espionage and guerilla warfare… tried to find it in Amazon, to no avail I took it from a Greek military publisher.
      *edit found the book but it is an old copy: *
      The thing is that it is impossible to proccess that gigantic amount of information and if you process it the 99% of it is… unimportant.
      Most people who do what they do in those information agencies are like snowden before his moral awakening: simply doing their job, what they do is not even evil, it is useless, mundane and of little value if one ever finds anything of value probably the whole office will celebrate it. Also consider this the CIA at least and probably the NSA too is a liberal den so the people who make it have a weird definition of moral dilemmas, consider here the CIA rebelling under Trump and not handing him information.
      The real reason for this total surveillance for me is a power show, combined with an internal industry for providing service jobs to people for the cementing of the voting bloc.
      For me an intelligence agency that is worthy of fear is one that is worthy of respect also and has proven able to work wonders. Not one which fails at everything it does with a success here and there relying on the imposition of magnitude to solidify it’s image on the people’s mind.

      1. The notion that the volume of raw data to manage was so insurmountable was something that I always considered a mittigating factor. This is what is in the favor of the average Joe today. But there will come a time when Ai evovles and can easily handle such volume and really put into practice the highly refined Orwelian dystopia as depicted in our science fiction novels.

        1. Hmm… I doubt it. The reason is that today AI is being seen as a god-technology, by that it is the system that leads to an Utopia, think here 3D printing, the end of work as it was advertised and in the end it was nothing even close to that! I do not doubt the utility of an AI but it will be able to do is that it will be used is searching information on specific people, this means that it will the tool that will make possible persecution of dissidents in case of any want for it. Having AI that is as powerful also as you point is that nothing stops it from ruining the ones that are in control of it.
          When you think avoid the mistake of the -topias: Utopia and Dystopia can never exist as both require total control on all the parameters of an extremely complicated system. A complicated system is also as fragile as it is complicated.

        2. You see those articles about the AI-enhanced robot who escaped from the lab not once, but twice? Even the robots know what they are programmed to do is wrong

        3. A nice reference to the AI judge of the beauty pageant, that “failed” to think African women beautiful, based on health standards, if I remember it chose, beside the whites also 3 asiatics?

        4. “. A complicated system is also as fragile as it is complicated”
          Good point – there will always be achiles heels.

        5. Nobody looks at almost everything they collect. They collect it to use it later in case someone becomes a troublemaker.

        6. We are living in the less work utopia. But instead of everyone working less for the same pay based on productivity we have a few people working harder and longer for the same pay and others who don’t work at all.

        7. The idea is not so much to manage the citizenry in real time as it is to go back in time (figuratively speaking). Everything gets recorded and filed and gathers dust… Until Joe Blow is fingered as a terrorist or thought criminal or whatever. THEN they Google him in the database and it’s like they ordered round the clock surveillance on the dude 10 years ago and never stopped.

        8. Distributed network. You don’t need the NSA to do all the heavy lifting from Utah data centers when every endpoint device is sharing the load.
          Google is already reading and processing every single text message, email, and chat on Android systems to collect demographic info to sell to the advertising Jew. Your browser shares everything you look at. Everything is benign now, but it takes only a small change to the code to start tracking more than just the brand of toothpaste you buy.

        9. Or maybe, unblinded by bias, uncensored by fear, the computer simply tells the truth.

      2. The question isn’t whether it’s effective, but WHAT is it effective at?
        You’re correct about stopping attacks….but that is not the intended purpose. Mass surveillance is intended as a control mechanism. If anyone becomes a threat later they will have everything the need to destroy that person.
        At that surveillance is extremely effective.

        1. Hmm.. Nope it is not. Trump wasn’t scheduled to win, but he won. The alt-right and the manosphere have strengthened, exist and besides human infiltrators to them, they are alive and sound. The only ones that mass surveillance ever caught are the type of old ultra-right revolutionists and not even them all. The fact that you or anyone might believe that is that it is advertised and pushed, through spy infiltrators, to be as such. for a bit more on that see also my reply to mr. Morrison. What though it is disheartening is the fact that the moment that one wants to surveillance you he can do it near instantly. Lastly thing if mass surveillance was as good as it says it is, then why can yo question it and not have your life ruined?
          In short mass surveillance is just icky, immoral and costly. Effective, efficient or successful it is not.

        2. Nice comment, but next time try responding to what I actually said rather than what you wanted me to say.

        3. Yeah, saw it again.
          The problem still remains the same, the information is chaotic and cannot be founded. What though it can occur and has occured is that some specific type of information can be used to blackmail people in important positions. In other cases when something that everyone will regard as serious will be found it can be used for character assassination, etc.
          The triviality though of the information that is normally recieved makes it still a bad choice. The only reason that it works is that buzzwords can create massive hysteria, i.e. accusations of racism and fascism. The moment people started to not have this pavloffic reaction it immediately collapses. For example Trump was called a Racist, a rapist, a Fascist and literally H!tle6, it caught on many but in the end his supporters considered these accusations ridiculous.

      3. I always thought all the information was stored for potential blackmail use down the road. My friend who was military and did some computer work also mentioned a system that picks up on key words being used. But like Snowden said I think it’s really about keeping tabs on people and having blackmail material.

      4. But what about all the mysteriously murdered people who defect? All the “natural causes” deaths, for an incompetent intelligence agency, they seem to be good at killing seemingly innocent people. Every person who had evidence against Hellary Rotten Cunton was dead before testifying. There is not entirely ineptitude on their part.
        Something evil is going on there if murder is their way of dealing with people instead of due process or even a proper investigation. It seems like a hive-mind mentality, something insects would display more so than humans.

        1. Defectors are the easier to be spied and found… by their colleagues. This makes them the easier to detect and dealt with. When though we speak of that average worker, he simply is not trusted with assassination, Snowden was one such example, a spy that never did field work and in the end was an overestimated bureaucrat, still he did what he did and escaped. Second Hillary has bought influence, by money and power, that allows her to keep tabs on some key people for blackmailing reasons and on top of that: the liberal elite helps her all the way. This might change only if their holds on power (the swamp) is shaken.
          Conspiracies have always a limited amount of conspirators few people know directly, if that wasn’t the case we would have already had serious leaks that would pose as evidence NOT indications. On a further note it is a personal belief that they are in panic, they have allowed to many indications, far too many of them, to arouse credible suspicion. Still they haven’t allowed evidence to leak, if they had it would create a scandal their non-prosecution.
          A last note the problem with defectors is that they nearly openly show that they will defect, or that they go to close to something that they shouldn’t and this makes them even more vulnerable. Snowden probably survived because his decision was probably more that of a badly planed made in a state psychological upheaval. People who openly investigate or start “bitching” and poking around draw attention.

      5. Still clinging desperately to the 1990s era ‘but there isn’t enough manpower!’ myth so you can sleep at night, eh?
        Just what Google reveals they can do to the public when it comes to voice and picture recognition should be enough to concern you. The government systems are even more advanced.
        Little men in suits aren’t the ones going through petabytes of surveillance data. Computers are.
        We absolutely have the computing power to go full Minority Report in developed, wired countries.
        “I have nothing to hide…” is another cold war aged fallacy that people still desperately cling to so they can sleep. Everyone has something to hide in a world where a single off color joke among friends can end your entire career, or cause “moderate liberals” to call for the violent rapey deaths of your children.

    3. They likely have no problem looking at themselves in the mirror. They are doing their job; to serve their leftwing globalist overlords. They are not American in spirit. They are not American at heart. And they fail to see that leftism is a failure.
      The truth is, like those who sit on the Federal Reserve, without the system rigged in their favor they CAN’T win.
      And they think THEY should rule the world?
      I hope this clears it up for you.

    4. At what level? There’s a huge difference between the levels. The average government employee is a product of government schools and usually has no clue because they’ve been conditioned into certain beliefs. As one goes up the pyramid the knowledge of what they are serving may not increase depending on the individual but knowing that pushing it forward serves them personally is clear.
      Awakening from the lowest levels can come on the battlefield, be that one of an actual war or that of the police state or that of the economic conflict. On the highest levels if they are awake odds are they agree with what is being done unless they are the very rare type of politician that goes against the flow.

    5. “God will be swift in his judgment of all who carry forth satan’s agenda, regardless of whether you are an agent / family man or not.”
      We don’t all believe such unproven, paranormal claims and I’m sure they don’t either.

      1. Paranormal – hardly, but having once been a nihilist myself,I have come to know that there can be no justice in this world sometimes, but kindling my faith and cultivating it has kept me sane in this insane world. You are right though, they don’t believe in God or in the true Christian message, let alone a standard of morality. However, it is difficult to help those who refuse to help themselves.

    6. How do they live with themselves?
      Some are amoral and sleep just fine, or they get voyeuristic excitement from the sliver of power they hold as a cog in that machine.
      Some consider themselves patriots, and try to comfort themselves that it’s a necessary evil to keep the nation safe and cling to a faith that abuses will be rare and punished.
      And some are convinced they are doing God’s work. As in most things, it’s the energetic do-gooders who are the worst. The conceit works something like this: “If we have perfect knowledge about everything, than we can lay perfect plans and perfectly manage everything. We can identify problems early and correct them before they grow. We can accurately allocate resources. It will be beautiful.”

  3. Doesn’t hurt to add 15% paranoia to your daily diet from mainstream media. This warning has come down from some of the most mind fucked from the military years ago. Flat screens are used to monitor you. The real reason the updates came from HD and ‘Smart’ phones was that they couldn’t apply protective screening to radio signals that could have them opened at will by intelligence operatives. Certain brands of cars also offered some shielding as well. Unless you are in the know, all this information puts you in an odd space of disbelief. Until your television or appliances turn themselves on. Stay sharp gents.

    1. The amount of shit out there watching us is really off putting and of concern. But I know this.
      When I put $200 cash in my wallet, drop my phone on my dresser and leave it there and jump on my 19th century technology motorcycle and drive out in the country away from big city cameras, ain’t nobody nowhere that’s in the know about what I’m doing, except my riding buddies. Basically your best protection is to live exactly like you would have in 1988 as you become almost invisible to their passive warrantless searches.

      1. How can we live like its the 1980s? Would make for an interesting article if its possible. My friend and I were talking about ditching smartphones, simply not worth the cost, and downgrading to a old school fone, like those old flip top Motorolas(you can still but em), but I just heard the carriers no longer support 2G fones, so I couldnt use it if Itried.

        1. If you really, really think about it, there aren’t a lot of actual good reasons to have a phone on you 24/7. I mean if you’re a technophile that’s one thing, but if you’re to the point where you want to eliminate “apps” and iZombies already, then give consideration as to why you really “need” a phone on you 24/7 at all.

        2. I do not have a cell phone. When I’m not home or at work I’m simply “unavailable”. I am loathe to give this up.

        3. you really don’t have a cell phone? wow man, you get more interesting as the days go on.

        4. In that dark ages of 1991 or 2 I recall seeing some dink in the bowling alley with a hi tech cell phone. Now it wasn’t quite Zach Morris-caliber but it was about the size of a cordless home phone. Homeboy had this thing STRAPPED to his hand with a velcro band.
          It was so absolutely ridiculous my friend shouted at him: “are you THAT fukkin important?!?!?!”
          And that, friends, is the question we mus continuously ask ourselves.

        5. Cherish that stuff man. At first it seems cool, but it becomes a chain real fast. I don’t mean some kind of nefarious monitoring, I mean that the expectations that come with it are overbearing. Work just assumes you’re at work 24/7 and on holidays. Fuck that noise. I threw a cell phone away during one vacation because I was getting pinged and it pissed me the fuck off (this was back when they were somewhat new and way more expensive).

        6. I held out against getting a Blackberry for months. I cried when they forced it on me finally

        7. Yeah, the one I had was “given” to me as well, in a mandatory way. Sucks that I “accidentally dropped it in the ocean”, but sometimes mistakes happen and hey, whatcanyado?

        8. hahahaha I completely understand. They have come close to that where I work, and I have borrowed one on occasion.

        9. “But I take the subway to work” lasted about 6 months. Gave me one anyway. Ths was like 2006, so no signal underground…

        10. really glad you caught that one. Might have been some awkward explaining otherwise.

        11. Hahahahah – given our time together here, it wouldn’t have even raised an eyebrow….

      2. serious question and I really mean this because it is something I don’t understand:
        “When I put $200 cash in my wallet, drop my phone on my dresser and leave it there and jump on my 19th century technology motorcycle and drive out in the country away from big city cameras, ain’t nobody nowhere that’s in the know about what I’m doing, except my riding buddies.”
        How is it that you really feel this enriches your life? You are a good guy, don’t break any laws, aren’t dealing meth out of a basement, family man, bla bla bla. I mean, I get the joy of motorcycle riding, I love it as well…but what is the kick in being off the grid? I honestly don’t understand it unless you need to hide something.

        1. I cant believe youre one of those “but I have nothing to hide!” types. you should check out the movie Snowden and get back to us

        2. That’s a variation of the “If you don’t have anything to hide, you shouldn’t be worried” argument.
          I exercise my rights because I simply wish to do so. I no more need an actual fear or reason to be off grid, than I need a reason to carry a gun or read a newspaper. I do it, because I want to and can and most of the time, for no other reason.
          Besides, what I described isn’t me exercising some kind of absurd caution, what it is, is what I normally do in the summertime just to do it.

        3. nah, I don’t have any time or patience for that shit. Mostly I just don’t care. If the government wants to watch me, let them. Google too. They have been quite useful to me in their spying. I just don’t mind it.

        4. Ok, that is fair enough. But then we can say that you enjoy being off the grid. I am not making an argument per se. I am seriously asking why? What does being off the grid give you? I am all for you to be able to do it. That isn’t the question here. I am asking as someone who doesn’t care to be off the grid what the high is

        5. Here’s the deal man. I was in military intelligence. When I was debriefed I was explicitly told as part of my out processing that I was going to be “watched” for the next 70 years of my life. I don’t mean I was told by some shady guy in a dark room, I mean it was part of a written down lecture given to people who did my job.
          For me, taking myself out of their view forces an actual human body to be deployed to monitor me, or it gives them a big grin middle finger. Either way, I’m wasting their time and resources and that, sir, makes me happy.
          Besides, most of the time I don’t even put that much thought into it. I lay down the phone because I simply don’t want to be pinged/called by people all the time, I enjoy the peace that comes from sitting under a tree in the park reading a book undisturbed, and I use cash because I just like to use cash when I can.

        6. So they only told you about this 70 yrs thing after, and not before you joined?

        7. Absolutely correct. It was never, not once, mentioned until my discharge debriefing. Although I’m sure that somewhere in the mountain of paperwork that they shoved at me when I enlisted there probably was some weasel wording to justify the debriefing. I tend to read what I sign, even back then, and I don’t recall ever seeing it (believe me, I would have noticed that immediately) but when you deal with military legalese, anything is possible (or impossible).

        8. Amazing- youll finally be able to let your freak flag fly when your 97- that’ll show em

        9. That is an answer I can understand and respect. Giving the middle finger to someone and wasting their time and resources is often good fun. That is really the answer to my question. I am all for people’s right to play pool. I HATE playing pool. I stink at it. I get bored. I feel the same about gambling. I never liked casinos. But I have no desire to see there be no billiards tables or casinos in the world simply because I don’t like them. When I do find someone interesting who is very passionate about either gambling or playing pool it is interesting for me to ask them what the high they get out of it is. At one point early on I also asked you what the high you got out of the whole family man thing is. We all have our hobbies….some are the same and some are different. To me, the idea of leaving my phone on a table, putting some cash in my pocket and going into the middle of no where with a bunch of people is not just unappealing but sounds like punishment for some terrible terrible crime which is why I ask in the first place.
          I am not sure my being off the grid would give the middle finger to anyone. I wasn’t military intelligence, I was university intelligence…which is roughly akin to being ethiopean food. I would honestly be flattered if the CIA had some passing interest in me.

        10. Bah, I already do. Knowing that they want to keep an eye on you gives you a certain amount of freedom to not give a shit what you’re saying. Many people go the opposite and think that they have to become church mice, but I figure, fuck it, I’ll say and do what I like and if they don’t like it we can take this up in court and give them the joy of discovering the Constitution.

        11. ” Either way, I’m wasting their time and resources and that, sir, makes me happy.”

        12. When I was out processing (ETS) I had to sit through a debrief with MI and was informed I wasn’t to dicuss ops or events that I witnessed for at least 10 years.
          Outside of the guys I served with, I have found few people would believe it anyway. Better to remain silent.

        13. Yeah, it was a really strange experience.

        14. Occasionally I’ll go for a walk or a bicycle ride and I’ll leave everything at home except for maybe some cash.
          I’ve been stopped while walking and biking. They have other ways of checking our identities, but the point is to go out without any sort of leash or papers. It also makes things slightly more difficult for the should I be stopped.

        15. I guess I understand it theoretically but in the end I would find it more of an inconvenience to not have my wallet and phone on me.

        16. It’s not an inconvenience for me. It’s like I lived for a good hunk of my life, no need for ID, no such thing as a cell phone. If I felt like leaving the house I just left. It’s a world that is in many ways gone but I can keep what I can keep of it.

        17. I mean I take it we are of similar ages so I get it. And I totally understand going rouge if you enjoy it. I just really like the interconnextednes

        18. If you regularly go off the grid for several hours at time, and there are people who know that about you then-
          It is not unusual or particularly noteworthy should people be interested in establishing where you were for a few hours some day.
          If you’re never off the grid, a few hours someday in the future when you are may be less plausible….

        19. One of the few nice things about CA- I can regularly do so year round. Even my kids are aware that it is not unusual at all for me to take the bike out by myself– even at 1 or 2 in the morning should I be in the mood/or dealing with a bit of insomnia.
          I’ve been known to go riding at virtually any hour…

        1. I never had a mullet, but I did have a “tail”. I had a “tail” because, well, I really have no idea, but it was a great ice breaker because girls, even girls I really didn’t know, would love to ask to braid it for me, which almost always turned into some kind of “thang”.

        2. o my god I just remembered the “tail”….
          I flirted with mullet themes, but never full-on trailer park.

        3. this is the single most absurd thing I have ever read on ROK including everything FO3 ever wrote. I really have to thank you for this one. It is so funny II am not even laughing, I am just in this stunned moment of pure bliss.

        4. I hope he bleached it. rock that shit with brown hair, was awesome…flapping in the wind as you went full-speed on your Mongoose dirtbike

        5. Hey, we all have things we’re not proud of from the 1980’s. I’ll bet some of the older dudes on here even wore those jackets with the 18 zippers on them. Shit happened, I’m just keeping it real bro. Heh.
          The girls volunteering to braid it was fun though. Either in study hall, or if it was a band trip to an away game, on the bus. The bus braid events were best because it was almost always dark and I was a quick study on how to parlay an innocent request into second base in under an hour.

        6. oh, without a doubt. We should have an 80’s photo day. I won’t go too into depth but I will say Z Cavaricci pants and fila shoes and just leave it at that.

        7. the zipper jacket, btw, has to be either “Pleather” if you weren’t rich or “Corinthian leather” if you were. I always wondered why the leather in Corinth was so good.

        8. Corinthians eat a robust diet so their skin is perfect to make leather out of. One wonders why they volunteer for this, but they are foreigners and prone to bizarre behavior.

        9. My mom, somewhere, has a picture of me leaning up against an AMC Concord with the cavariccis, a boss shirt and some either fila or diadorrio sneakers. This was after I made some money and moved out of fuck hole ghettoville.

        10. I have some winners…when my family imploded I kept ALL that crap.
          And I would have called you a “Guido” with all my heart.

        11. I used Dipity Doo…which was green and, I believe, made out of uranium. I also remember using the original Mitchum anti-persperant which as actually physically painful to use

        12. absolutely. your pit was solid after. Also, for soap I had a strange set up. My pop was a mechanic at some point in his life and used to buy from old suppliers stuff for the house….including 55 gallon drums of ZEP soap. He got it cheap and we were living on a pretty tight budget. So all of our soap, for pretty much every conceivable purpose, was powdered zep. I am not sure if you had any experience with zep powdered soap in a 55 gallon drum but it was basically like using pure lye.

        13. Lol! I thought this was going someplace *entirely* different.

        14. If your lymph nodes could talk, they would be saying “FUCK YOU”

        15. “we had an underground treefort” perplexes me to this day. no idea what that means

      3. See, this is the other thing I try to tell people. People fear the Orwellian surveillance, and rightly so, but they miss that it makes the state complacent. The state assumes you’re using all this shit, and thinks it has you covered. But if you’re not using it, your are LITERALLY not on their radar. People focus on how you can be tracked, spied on, etc… It’s true, but I also see a lot of opportunity to get away with shit.

        1. That’s true, and in a way, you’re actually probably more invisible now doing what I do, than you may have been in 1988, because they “assume” like you note. Back when I was discharged they had to have some kind of active monitor (human being) at least periodically checking up on me. Today? Yeah, right, they just assume that they can get all of my digital actions and be done. Their bad.

        2. It’s actually something that I take up as an unofficial sort of hobby – how to defeat a system.
          I used to work in a secured building, and I used to take great delight in finding ways to bypass security. Used to get all kinds of things in, and all kinds of things out – nothing illegal – just stuff to do my job. Weapons not allowed in building, but a flip open knife was very handy for cutting open boxes, etc… so I would constantly smuggle one in. Sometimes equipment needed to go out of the building to another secured office in another building – huge bureaucratic hassle, unless you just bypassed it.
          Same when I go to the airport these days – I constantly take notes about holes in the security that are ripe for exploit.
          I’m not even doing anything nefarious, I just enjoy when someone tells me their system is perfect and I find the flaw.
          Don’t know why, just something I’ve always enjoyed doing.

        3. In Europe, ok. In America, there is no such thing as “everywhere”. Try putting out cameras in every square foot of Montana. That’s a national effort of the same scope as the moon landing.

        4. How dues facial recognition software work when I wear a mask? It doesn’t.

      4. If anything it’s better than back then, because the skill is tracking people without the help of their electronic trail gets rusty with disuse.

  4. With headlines today like “Clinton says nationalism is destroying the U.S.” and “Study show gluten-free diets may lead to diabetes” yeah, we are def in 1984(or 1982 at the very least).

    1. Yes. You must stick with a high carb low fat diet, healthy whole grains, and definitely replace butter with margarine — it’s good for your heart!
      And by every and all means avoid saturated fat, a known toxin that causes cancer.

    1. So here we go with that wonderful circular thinking that keeps paranoia afloat.
      CIA is bad. Check. Wikileaks, that exposes CIA evil, is also CIA, so it’s bad. Check. Any knowledge in either direction is a ruse. Check.

        1. Yeah wow man, never heard of it. This changes *EVERYTHING*!
          If you ask for the truth then question the data, you’ll never have anything to believe or lock on to with certainty, which over time breeds a highly paranoid type of world view. There are plenty of things to be worried about, no question at all, but if everything is some kind of ruse pulled on you by “them” then you’re on the long walk off of a short plank into an ocean of insanity.

        2. I always do, but having an open mind is not the same thing as simultaneously believing everything and nothing. Having an open mind while keeping critical thinking skills intact, is where I tend to land. I’m not saying that what you’re indicating is outside of the realm of possibilities, surely not, but without any actual evidence outside of conjecture and citing articles where others conjecture, I tend to assume disbelief until proof surfaces.
          Part of my training as an intelligence analyst, you see. Heh.

        3. Open mind (high intelligence) is the ability to maintain two opposing ideas in your mind without discharging either.

        4. Critical thinking (high intelligence) is the ability to sort based on evidence and maintain a position of disbelief until actual evidence is produced.
          So basically I can do both.

        5. You outright labeled my idea as circular thinking without asking for evidence so no you need to work on that.
          Further above I posted more on Assange that might help you with your own research should you be inclined to do it. I wrote a larger post in the very beginning which was flagged as spam and so it lost.

        6. Well, until you produce evidence, it is circular thinking since you claimed it as a fact instead of a “what if”. Facts imply actual evidence, of which, there is none except “it’s possible” and “shady connections” that themselves, have little actual hard evidence.
          As far as I know, nobody removes posts here for that kind of thing. Disqus is not the most robust messaging system.

        7. Assange is controlled opposition! He believes 9/11 conspiracy theories are idiots.

        8. Ok, so by that “proof”, you’ve just indicted 95% of the nation as being members of the CIA.
          They’re going to need a much bigger payroll department I suspect.

      1. well it makes some sense. The CIA exposing itself, means that no-one else exposes them (first), allowing them, or the hierarchy to engage in proleptic/pro-active/ damage control. How many people trust the CIA? Last time I saw a pro-CIA movie was Denzil Washington in the Equaliser, and I found myself scoffing the whole time. Who, though scoffed at the CIA’s portrayal in the Bourne movies. This way they can clean house, or get disbanded and re-assemble on some basis, with the added bonus that the public will end up satisfied that all those rogue agents, who may or may not have had a hand in JFK, or for that matter 911, etc have now been put paid to.
        Of course you might be right, and it might be exactly what it says it is, but we’re dealing with tricksy fellas here. Deception is their bread and butter

        1. Everything makes sense via rationalization.
          What makes sense to me is hard evidence. I’ll entertain all of these notions as completely plausible, but “it makes sense” as the only given of “it’s true” doesn’t really ping my radar as evidence.

        2. the whole point of this wikileaks revelation is that evidence is no longer what it used to be, at least with regard to electronic data. The people who gather evidence, and who along with other branches of government might prosecute on the basis of such evidence, can themselves create it at will (and according to this revelation) and have been effectively been caught doing so. Of course we cannot dispense with evidence. Yet revelations like this must necessarily have implications for ‘burden of proof’ where it concerns electronic data. If we are dealing with powerful groups within government and society whose purpose is to deceive and manipulate evidence, then we need to think very carefully about what it means to assume something is or isn’t the case based only on an absence of concrete evidence. I agree however that we should still be very careful about drawing any strong conclusions or putting forward more than tentative working theories in the absence of adequate evidence.

        3. The thing is, that particular “leak” is already proven by the technology that any one of us can obtain and use. IP Spoofing and onion routing are not new concepts, and I find it strange that so many people just now, this week, heard of this ability. Granted, most folks aren’t IT literate, so there is that. But it’s not like the government just developed this “strange scary new ability” last year. I could have hacked your computer in 1994, hijacked your CompuServe session (when they started incorporating TCP/IP I mean, not the pre-TCP/IP days) and made you look like you were posting kiddy porn from Siberia.
          Your last sentence is all I’m really saying, in effect.

        4. Fair enough, but that kind of makes my wider point for me, which is that one effect of the leak (which may or may not be the purpose of the leak) is that it makes (previously ignorant) Joe public aware that the NSA / CIA or whoever can look at everything he is doing. Without the public knowing about this there is no automatic effect on behaviour. People still assume they have a basic level of privacy, and that only the bad guys get listened in on (probably true for the most part). These new leaks have introduced a new element: the almost universal or at least random knowledge that information is being sucked up and recorded; that anything you say, anywhere might be being listened to. It’s no different from that old teacher you had who knew that maintaining discipline meant you knowing that she had eyes in the back of her head, that she would somehow know if you misbehaved even if there was no conceivable way that she could know. Well now we know that teacher can hack into your whatspp communications or look at you through your samsung TV

        5. But, and I’m not being argumentative, I swear, the whole “The government is tracking every single fucking character you type with the explicit consent of social media companies and internet backbone owners” thing was blown open wide in public, what, 2 years ago or so I think? I really haven’t seen many people who even *remember* that any longer, let alone who changed their behavior. I *wish* that the average Joe paid more attention to shit, I really do, because I’d love to see a whole bunch of behaviors change.

        6. I see it as a ‘booster shot’. If you consider how widespread the Snowden coverage has been in a media (the MSM) which is supposed to be run by TPTB and that the movie industry (I’m presuming it wasn’t Hollywood?) even produced a major cinema released movie about the Snowden story then that might suggest that those PTB are actually quite keen for us to remember that we are being watched. So the booster shot is necessary precisely because joe public is just too generally asleep and sheep-like even for the liking of the shepherds. It is always assumed that TPTB want us in a permanently sedative state and that the dissident position is to be awake / awakened to the truth, but the process of awakening people is also necessary if you need them to do something, and what I am saying is that TPTB need to awaken the people from their slumber in this instance in order to get them to govern themselves, specifically in this instance to be mindful that there is always someone watching: they must shape their own behaviour, watch their own words etc

        7. I did’n’t mean authentically, but in terms of self policing / self-regulating. The kind of governmentality here is the type conceived of by Foucault and co, One idea that can be taken from Foucault is the idea that society can function in some ways like a Victorian prison panoptikon i.e. where inmates are under surveillance the whole time – within the panoptikon there is no privacy. Now if immanent surveillance means the panoptikon is effectively writ large through society then we are effectively living within a giant prison / gulag – albeit one with a great many creature comforts (think of a Danish gulag system). Where are the guards? Well if the panoptikon does it’s job there would be no need for any guards. That’s all I mean

        8. Yes! There is no need for guards because human trends can be manipulated via complex algorithmical processing. Even dissidents can be rendered helpless or inefficient by channeling their rebelliousness into habits or environments that discourage productive expression. We are afforded the liberty of dissent because most dissenters are just playing a game, and the internet encourages this; the construction of flattering alter-egos to assuage the dissenter’s need to rebel without doing any damage to the established system. As an added bonus, the ones who *are* threatening — a truly tiny minority — can be monitored. Our lifestyles make it so that most of us don’t *need* to be monitored.

        9. That sounds quite plausible, although I’m not quite sure what you mean specifically when you talk of manipulating trends via complex algorithms. I mean we can be set impossible or unproductive tasks that are more or less unsolvable etc? In fact online commenting for instance is mostly harmless, and even functions as a part of the safe management of dissent – we get it out of our system so to speak – online dissent is unlikely to result in a march to the doorstep of power. But the gameplay aspect doesn’t necessarily make it less effective in a sense. Games are serious after all. The great game of course was always as serious as it gets.
          I also think frustrating dissidents may be counterproductive insofar frustrating must necessarily produce frustration. As for a real threat to the system, there is also a philosophical issue as to what that would actually be, given how dissent and political opposition is to a high degree are built into that system – human societies are dynamic – or if you prefer dramatic – systems after all. Moreover even real threats can potentially be disguised as fake threats – try to think for instance of a kind of dissent (infowars, snowden, wikileaks etc) that hasn’t been described as an intel psy-op. Doesn’t matter whether they are or aren’t if they can be claimed to be. No, there is a sense in which the machine runs on opposition, if not necessarily on what opposes it. Any real threat would have to have some distance from the fray

        1. If you have some proof to believe, it’s perfectly rational.
          If you have circular reasoning and self referencing links (‘other people say it!’) but no proof, not so much.
          As to consider, sure, considering anything is reasonable and if it’s plausible that’s good too, but it’s not true until you have some proof.

  5. To be honest, I wasn’t really surprised by any of this. I’d almost consider it blatant incompetence if they weren’t trying to develop these types of spying tools.
    That said, I think it’s good to know that this shit is out there so that you can evaluate whether you really want some listening device in your home or your pocket, but at the end of the day, these people are wildly incompetent. All these tools, and yet, terrorists still manage to attack, bad shit still manages to happen, they can’t keep it a secret, etc… Now don’t get me wrong, I think this shit is fucked up, unconstitutional, and should be stopped. But I’m almost at the point where, knowing that I’m not going to get my way because the vast majority of people are morons, I kind of enjoy that they’re at least recording all the bad shit I say about them. Like free trolling that I don’t even have to expend any effort on.
    The best thing about the last dump was how it annihilated the “‘Muh Russians!” horseshit. So the CIA says the Russians hacked the election, then Wikileaks reveals that the CIA has tools to make it look like the Russians do shit. LOLZ!!!! What a bunch of fucking morons. Now leftardia is back to monitoring Trump’s 3am tweets hoping for that impeachable offense!

    1. they arent morons. Mics and web access in your washer/dryer, refrigerator, car… some of these guys were caught laughing about it (including a ceo of a car company) and they had to issue “apologies” for what they said…

      1. Sure, but do you really think these same people don’t own these same devices in their own homes? Someone who laughs about shooting himself in the foot is, to me, the definition of a moron.

    2. That’s a good point as well. The ability to collect intelligence is almost meaningless if you can’t sit down and analyze it. They bypass some of this with algorithms to search for certain words (in text/internet world) but that’s kind of pointless too because nobody with any competence is going to start screaming about doing XYZ Nasty Attack using “XYZ Nasty Attack!”.
      And then there’s the actual audio and video to analyze as well, where the filter is much less refined so basically you have to have a pair of eyes and ears on them that are attached to an actual human being.
      The collection should and must be stopped, but unless you have an active search going on directed at you on purpose, it’s doubtful that “they” know what you’re doing. They can know, yes, but likely none of us are important enough to assign to an actual active monitor (well, one hopes).

      1. Think about the poor fucker who gets to sort through videos of random losers jacking it to anime porn. Who the fuck even want’s that job for more than about three seconds?
        Here’s your desk, Mr Millennial.
        [Mr. Millennial looks at monitor where screen is full of fat, sweaty, hairy manflesh stroking itself]
        Uhhh, I quit.
        And – even if I did attract their attention, this is why I believe in the second amendment. I heard Dan Daly’s call, and I count myself among those who don’t want to live forever, especially if it means licking the state’s boot.

      2. The one thing we have going for us is the sheer volume of information the surveillance state has to process. I used to cross post with a guy that used a screen name that was a precursor to methamphetamine and used similar chemical names in all his email correspondence even if it was just a grocery list. His theory was that they would key in on these words and tie up some bureaucrat’s time clearing him. As more folks take simple countermeasures like that (tape over Mark Zuckerburg’s laptop camera anyone?), the state loses their edge. Most likely they just target the people they already have a line on and get very little valuable intelligence by “fishing.” The beauty of all this is the central government is getting too big to succeed. I just don’t want to be under it when it finally collapses.

      3. GOJ, as a former intel guy, I wonder if you’d care to comment on this idea:
        They collect data on everybody all the time, but mostly don’t look at it. Until a person gets on their radar, then they have everything on that individual.
        So if they never notice you, it doesn’t matter if they know what you watch or write, because they have that data on 300+ million people and would never have enough resources to analyze all of that.

        1. That’s a good summary. However, that they are collecting everything on everybody is troublesome because we live in a society such that everything under the sun is becoming illegal. Break one “law” because you pissed off some town alderman, and then have the full surveillance weight of NSA’s surreptitious monitoring of you over your lifetime come tumbling down, and you may as well just go ahead and strap yourself into the electric chair and get it over with.

  6. Identifying yourself as a foreign entity via IP isn’t some new mystical form of hacking, although reading things in the public sphere you’d think it was some new whizz bang really cool development. It’s akin to reporting that “governments are now using vehicles that utilize INTERNAL combustion!”. IP Spoofing was old news when most of the nation was starting to notice the first web browsers back in the mid 90’s.
    Hell, if you use TOR you already come across as being legitimately from “another country” most of the time (assuming you exit a foreign node).
    I like that Wikileaks is releasing a stream of stuff to destroy the Left. They went in a direction that I totally didn’t anticipate over the course of the last year. And that’s A Good Thing(tm).
    Anonymity on the internet doesn’t exist, not even your encrypted secure banking. I think that some encryption can give you decent protection, but you have to really exercise absurd levels of vigilance and knowledge, which most people just can’t do, and for those that can, the cost-benefit ratio of it has to be pretty damned high.

      1. SHA-1 encryption I believe, but the length of time it took negates any benefit to the crack I think. Intelligence has to be timely to be of value, and if you have to hook up fifty mainframes to get the task done over twenty years, my guess is that ol’ Abduhl probably already bombed the shopping mall.

      2. And if they cracked it or not, my point remains. IP Spoofing is about as New And Shiny as the Lever or the Hammer.

  7. The CIA and the NSA (as well as the DEA, the TSA and other alphabet Agencies) need to be abolished.
    Just shut them down. No more funding. Fire everyone, down the man sweeping the floors. Then burn the buildings to the ground.

        1. actually, believe it or not the DMV has got a lot better. My last 3 experiences with them have been very easy.

        2. I remember as a kid, a new teacher moved to LI from Michigan. He told me he was going to go into work at noon so that he could “stop by” DMV, and get his license changed over, re-register his car and get new plates.
          I laughed in his face for about 45 minutes.
          Naturally he wound up accomplishing his goals over the course of 3 or 4 six-hour visits.
          It was a day off work, no exaggeration, to get ANYTHING done there.

        3. lol. that’s great. I actually ran down to DMV express over on west 30 somthings not too long ago and was in and out in like 15 mintues. Things really have got better.

        4. I’ve noticed that here too actually. I think that the DMV had such a universally bad rap, and it was well deserved, that somebody somewhere decided to clean house on their policies and procedures. My last trip was just like yours, maybe 10 minutes tops, and efficient and actually somewhat friendly.

        5. Well consider they were using stone tablets and abacuses (abuci?) back then I’m sure the digital age has caught them up a bit.

        6. I know this may sound crazy and lord knows it isn’t my area of expertise, but I think it is possible that as the DMV moved into late 90’s computer technology things started moving a lot more smoothly — maybe that or that the average employee is now someone who can reasonably be expected to use a computer marginally well and it is helping the lines move.

        7. lolknee & GOJ – I doubt it was housecleaning or a well intentioned push for efficiency to satisfy their victims…err…customers. No, even bureaucRATS eventually figure out that if they make it easier for you to give them your money, it’s that much easier for them to take your money.

        8. This is as likely an explanation as any. The old DMV jokes really don’t make much sense any more lol.

        9. It seems like it all happened at once though, across the nation. I’ve heard others mention what lolknee says too, and it all seems to be more or less around the same time frame. It could be accidental of course.

        10. you hear about the plane that crashed in the polish cemetery. The local government reports 15,000 casualties.

        11. That’s like the guy who locked his keys in his car – for the life of his family inside he had to break the windshield.

        12. the polish guy who locked himself inside his car is the way I heard that one but yup

        13. You hear about the Polish guy who fell out the window? he was vacuuming the drapes

        14. You mean they’ve stopped the Affirmative Action make-work programs?
          I don’t think so.

        15. Well if it did indeed occur across the country at once, my next question would be: Is there federal funding involved?

        16. No, DMV is still a charity for fat black women, no denying it. However, the DMV experience of today is 1000x better than it was 20 years ago. That is a plain fact.

      1. They’d sub it out to Halliburton who’d sub it out to Asian wage slaves who’d set it on fire with jet fuel and give everyone cancer.

    1. Ok. But there are private companies using a lot of these technologies. How do we control that? Of course- their market is repo companies, debt collection agencies, bounty hunters, and private detectives trying to locate folks. So they’re looking for relatively small numbers of folks for very specific reasons.

  8. Who knows how deep this rabbit hole goes. Now you’re starting to find out all the dirty shit that BathHouse Barry and Co. have been doing behind the scenes. When it all gets out there’s gonna be some interesting articles on here to read, that’s for sure.

  9. None of this is exactly news. I knew Whats App was compromised, and I knew they could burgle their way into all our encrypted firewalled devices if they were so inclined. This merely provides official confirmation.
    This is a very ‘meta’ moment in history though. The all seeing eye is about to become reflexively all-seen (well, at least in theory, and if you believe all of this is exactly what it is made out to be). That’s great news for mental illness, particularly for clinical paranoia, because there is no longer any such thing, at least not with respect to the now ascertained assertion that ‘they are watching me, and listening to me’. I really wish I was still working in mental health right now. I’d love to be present when some psychiatrist has to listen to some acutely psychotic patient tell him that his TV is watching him, recording what he says and sending out mind control messages etc. and the psychiatrist instead of consulting the Diagnostic and Statistical manual has to check the Samsung manual instead before prescribing any pills.
    We should be careful though. Yes, this would appear to demolish the democrat’s argument, and to vindicate Trump / Russia, at least removing the possibility that such allegations that have been made by the CIA could ever be proven. One thing that some people at zerohedge have considered is the implication that this could potentially be a way of protecting the elite from future prosecution for things like ‘child-abuse’ etc. If Podesta, or Alefantis etc are now found with stuff indicating they are part of some paedo-ring, how can it be proven beyond reasonable doubt that the CIA or the Russians or whoever did not put it there. Thus it is a double-edged boon. The implications for computer forensics will I imagine be enormous.
    It’s all very entertaining, but after all the build-up a bit of a damp squib in terms of revelations. It is the longer term implications which will be interesting

      1. Exactly. Almost all of this panic at monitoring, is driven by peoples own lack of understanding of personal privacy any longer. They’re so addicted to their tech that they can’t imagine a life without it and assume that it’s just an integral need to stay alive, and figure that they have the same privacy posting on the interwebs as you or I would have at a country store in Podunk using cash. It’s amazing how little people even grasp personal privacy any longer, they’re giving away shit for free in public that it used to require a warrant to obtain.

        1. “They’re so addicted to their tech that they can’t imagine a life without it..”
          I got asked by an acquitance a while back for my personal cell number to which I replied I don’t own one (my employer usually gives me one). I got a strange look. A few weeks later the same guy told me he thought I was a drug dealer due to the fact I don’t gave a cell phone.

        2. People get downright pissy when you don’t have a phone on you all the time. My wife, for example, is like this. Heh.

        3. I get so much shit….
          I try to explain to people its not a technology problem, its a social problem! I simply don’t want to communicate with more than a few people!

        4. My wife didn’t like the fact I wasn’t reachable while on my motorcycle… But, they make helmets with Bluetooth!
          Yes, yes they do….and I’m not going to own one.

        5. Some days I want to give women a break and think that there have to be some reasonable ones out there, then the whole “bluetooth helmet on your motorcycle so that I can call and nag you about not being here at the home and garden show” stuff happens and I just shake my head in regret.

      2. yes, more or less, although web connectivity is still presumably a minimum condition, unless these human gods have hacked the almighty himself.
        One caveat though. If this is in itself a psy-op, in part or whole, the actual technology they have, or even the uses they put that technology to, may well prove to be secondary to the fact that we now know about it. The fact is consciousness of a state of affairs – the consciousness we have had since the Snowden revelations as well as Wikileaks, works to modify both thought and behaviour. It’s worth remembering that a major area of interest of those who would govern us in our totality, is in the area of non-coercive governmentality, that’s to say self-government. For us to govern ourselves, as they would want us, we need to think right thoughts. Most of the focus in this respect has been upon political correctness – the positive ideological content approved by the PTB. Yet there has been a problem here in managing the boundary between the public and private realms. We speak differently at work than we do in private, and at home. Most communication is being directed towards social media these days, to prevent anonymity, but that still leaves the private realm, the private thoughts you type on your computer, the private doubts or dissents you voice to your friends or family in your own homes etc. If the public knows they are being watched and recorded even in their own intimate moments, by their TV, by their fridge, etc then a major part of the all seeing eyes evil plan is achieved. It isn’t in other words just about being watched but knowing that we are being watched. Once we modify our behaviour because they are watching us – and this wikileaks revelation just like Snowden helps to achieve this – then the totalitarian NWO agenda in this respect is further advanced. I’m not saying Assange is a knowing part of any manipulation. I’m merely saying that there is every reason to believe this might not be the boot on the other foot that it is being made out to be

      3. Even what you type on your laptop at home? Personal documents, not what you type on a message board?

        1. Yes. You have to take active measures and never be on a network with that laptop to be clear of surveillance. I can tell you some good countermeasures, but they’re generally a huge pain in the ass if all you’re doing on the laptop is some kind of Excel spreadsheet stuff for work.

        2. High level encrypted and hardened USB OS, screen font obscuring prog, no network connectivity and a whole mess of services disabled (or daemons, which ever your OS uses).

        3. Not saying its “right”, “legal”, or “good”, but yes. There’s varying levels of security expectations and responsibilities for everything.

        4. LOL. you know Hank Paulson? Former Treasury Sec? Refused to use email; he’d get one, follow up with a phone call…

        5. Oh, it’s perfectly legal. They have no ability nor desire to make it illegal because that would drive it underground and it would get seriously hard for them then.

        6. Paul Varrio from Goodfellas – “wouldn’t have a phone”
          not the best example really…

        7. Actually, and I’m being serious, the first rule of getting by with doing something wrong is “don’t write anything down”. The second rule is “never tell another living human being what you’ve done, ever”.
          These two rules, while being simplicity themselves, are almost always universally ignored.

        8. Its the failure of one if not both of these rules that leads to every single conviction!

        9. Yep. Almost without exception, barring the “we caught you in the act” type scenarios. I always caution people to never, ever talk to cops because no matter how nice they seem, they’re trained to draw out things you say in order to justify “further investigation” aka “we need to detain you”. Plus everything you say WILL be used against you, period, full stop. Fuck that noise.
          As to writing shit down, that one always kills me. Why in God’s green earth does anybody need to write down the details of any nefarious plot for, to later be used by cops? But people do it all the time. Fuck, there’s an increase of *really* stupid criminals posting videos of themselves doing the crimes, as if somehow, that cops won’t, you know, notice.

  10. Would you believe a man raised by a mad cult?
    Julian Assange’s Ties to Nazi Cult
    When Julian was 8-years-old, his mother, Christine, married a member of “The White Brotherhood” – aka “The Family” or San­ti­nike­tan Park Asso­ci­a­tion, a private psychiatric hospital on the outskirts of Melbourne Australia.
    The allegations were that these people used their authority to “collect” (kidnap) children. As many as twenty eight children had been ‘collected’ under the custody of the director, Anne Hamilton-Byrne, a theosophist. Children were selected for their Aryan traits.

    1. “As many as twenty eight children had been ‘collected’ under the custody of the director, Anne Hamilton-Byrne, a theosophist.”
      That’s very interesting. A theosophical link is more likely to suggest a secret society / masonic connexion than a nazi one. Might be significant

        1. cheers I will enjoy that. I’ve often wondered where theosophy came from exactly

    2. Of course.
      Al of them are Nazi/Zionists/Illuminati/Satanist/Reptilians/Theosophists operating form their Mars, Moon and Underground Earth bases in order to depopulate the planet. Afterwards they are going to resurrect the Old Ones and have an orgiastic celebration where the One Eye symbol will be painted on the dark side of the Moon.

  11. Pay attention to the way it was put by Julian Assange. He stated:
    They Won – Mass Surveillance and Illegal Spying is ‘Here to Stay’
    This is called predictive programming – people are conditioned to accept planned future scenarios. A subtle form of psychological conditioning provided by the media to acquaint the public with planned societal changes to be implemented by TPTB.

  12. Come on, man. It isn’t that bad. We’re not being monitored 24/7. I mean, if that were the case, there would be board agents swarming the comments section here, who try to shape and control the content of the discussions. Do you see any of that going on here? Nope. Only in sci-fi movies, bro…seriously.

    1. if the ‘content of the discussions’ here could ever be thought to be shaped or controlled, it would be the work of a lunatic….

      1. You mean the guy who tried to shape or control it would be a lunatic, or the guy who thought such people actually existed (meaning Internet board agents) would be a lunatic…this is getting interesting.

        1. The guy doing the shaping!
          I mean….if you read through an entire comments section its like a dodgeball match between the Jr HS and a looney-bin!

        2. that’s entirely the point surely. it distracts from a serious discussion about the substantive issues

        3. Serious Discussion still happens. But we’re basically a bunch of dikheads standing around the garage drinking beer.

        4. I’m not sure I agree. The digressions are great, and part of what makes it fun, but I’d say most of us are quite serious about the politics side of things, whatever stance we take on a particular issue

        5. Some of the most thoughtful and intelligent people I’ve ever known were dikheads in the garage.

        6. “Dikheads in the Garage” – Friday 8:00 p.m. – ABC
          Synopsis: A group of Internet friends from the manosphere gets together and holds regular meetings in a garage; madness and hijinks ensue as they are confronted by SJWs, libtards, feminists, homos and trannies who reside in the neighborhood.
          4.5 Stars Out of 5

        7. I would watch the SHIT out of that show.
          but you and I both know that we’d NEVER make it onto a major network….

        8. oh of course. I’m not saying one shouldn’t dick about, or that it is any kind of failing of personality or intelligence, but that occasionally, just occasionally there may be a more serious purpose involved, including to distract. I’m talking about the whole internet, not just / necessarily ROK

      2. that’s somewhat naive. Shaping discussions, and ‘moderating’ extremism (stuff gov doesn’t like etc) has been pretty much standard practice for years, at the very least since Obama appointed Cass Sunstein info tzar and the latter suggested online government agents should routinely infiltrate and shape online discussions. The interesting thing is how advanced this is – there is some pretty advanced psychology being deployed in all of this. Consider JTRIG humint for instance exposed by Glenn Greenwald

        1. I’m not saying there is. Conversations naturally digress, and that covers most of the stuff on ROK. But sometimes they digress and branch out into completely irrelevant reasons for a reason. The more sensitive the subject the more it is likely to happen. May not even be government, or spooks; could just be someone who is uncomfortable with where the conversation is going.

        2. how dare you suggest that kratom is not the substantive issue in every discussion!

      3. None of these guys are shills. Doesn’t everyone spend 10 hrs per day posting on message boards?

    2. Yeah this place isn’t popular enough to warrant inference shaping. ROK is a mere fart in the wind to these guys radar at the moment.

      1. ^^^ CIA analyst #1
        I don’t know who these fucking idiots think they are fooling!

        1. Disagree with me = “them” = confirmation bias = continue unfettered.
          Take time to consider a few things and relax man.

        2. No I completely understand that GOJ, but anybody that even appears to be an outsider right now needs to be called out.
          This is one of the few places on the whole fucking internet where I can get peace and quiet without somebody spouting DNC propaganda…..I’m serious this is a big problem now a days. I am not questioning dissent, I am questioning whether or not people are serious about what they are saying….or if they are trying to influence the way I think for “XYZ” reason.
          Suggesting a website with 1 million unique visitors, which has god know how many articles about trying to fuck eastern european women, wouldn’t be targeted by these hacks just doesn’t seem plausible to me. It sounds like propoganda and I want to know who is doing it and why. I could be wrong he could be joking but I think on balance in today’s media environment we should err on the side of caution.
          Also, big dog, I used to post under another name on here (you know why I deleted the handle? because I felt like people were monitoring me here) and I had an argument with you about gay rights, I wanted to apologize about the manner in which I discussed it with you. I should have been more respectful, I really enjoy your commentary on here. I have lots of white friends too, but it is rare I would get to meet one like you. It would have been nice to have our meetup…anyway I enjoy your commentary big dog and appreciate your opinion.

    3. They don’t need to shape the comments if they can shape your thoughts, which they do reliably enough. We’re just machines, and we’re easily manipulated.

    4. You know, now everything is coming together.
      The outrage about the meetups was so over the top. Now I know why, it’s because Roosh and a lot of these dudes like Eastern euro chicks.
      Now I know why Roosh was talking about the IRS questioning him about his taxes.
      I bet the Russians have been trying to infiltrate too, in fact I suspect the author RayWolf who used to write here was one of them.
      There is no place safe and/or free anymore!

    1. Are you warm, well fed, comfortable and “free” to watch football? Well then, you won’t revolt. The moment that the food goes away and the water spigot turns off, that’s when you’ll be of the mind to get up and do something about it.
      A truth about human nature I’m afraid. Bread and Circuses is a well established part of the human condition.

      1. Yep, folks don’t usually go full revolt over principles. If they have enough to eat and a warm place to shit, they pretty much let the government do whatever it wants..

        1. always hated the circus….
          In Moscow I saw a trainer punch a monkey in the chest.
          Never gotten over that…..

        2. lol
          I don’t mind the circus at all, but I will never be over macho grande.

        3. Of course George Zip but who else is dropping a Lieutenant Hurwitz reference

        4. If I could go back in time George Zip would make an excellent discuss name

      2. True, and incredibly frustrating. I would take up arms today. But doing so alone is pointless.

      3. Or, the Declaration of Independence framing of the issue:
        ” Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.”

        1. what percentage of americans wouldnt be able to make heads or tails of this passage? Hell, I had to read it twice, just to make sure

        2. Yeah, more elegant language saying– people will put up with a lot of BS before doing something drastic to change things.

        3. I really wish people spoke like this again. We’ve Democratized our language to such a large degree that our vocabulary is reduced to one or two syllable words most of the time and synonyms are disappearing since “that’s just too complex” to have to know more than one word for something.
          Well, it seems that way to me anyway. But I do wish that people spoke like that passage again. Verily, I do.

        4. Mark Twain believed the Age of American Eloquence was doomed to die with the invention of the telegraph. No more lovely writing; just a flurry of beeps.
          Transfer that sentiment to the age of texting and 140 character soliloquies, and a lot of the artless communication of the day falls into perspective.

  13. It’s only going to get worse. The main hindrance at this point to more surveillance is having enough people to watch all the cameras. As computer programs and AI increase in sophistication, that limitation will be removed.

    1. There are private companies providing ‘skip tracing’ services that already monitor security cameras nation wide. They use the same license plate reader technology the LEOs use and the systems auto-alert when a license plate of interest is detected. Next will be facial recognition, if they aren’t already using it.

    2. Have you ever seen the TV show “Person of Interest”? They likely already have a continually improving AI system in place watching all the cameras.
      In an apocalypse the first thing you want to do is shotgun those cameras off the light poles.

        1. so no real news here….lol. Headline should read “Facebook CEO gives honest and correct opinion about customer base” If nothing else, that tomsguide article raised my opinion of facebook.

        2. Facebook moron’s post: The wife and I are currently having dinner at Domici’s in Palm Beach. (Map of venue posted on Facebook; 7:00 p.m., Thursday, March 10, 2017.)
          Internet Criminal No. 1: Dude, let’s go down to Domici’s and separate that idiot from his wallet and his car…
          Internet Criminal No. 2: Fuck no – l have his address, let’s go rob his house…we’ll get his wallet and car next week when he goes out for dinner again.

        3. Similar thing happens with ‘skip tracing’ companies hired by repo companies using Facebook for intel, or Twitter/Instagram meta data.

          JAN 3: Can’t believe our house was robbed.

        5. Exactly. This shit happens over and over…and usually it’s women doing the posting. Women are fucking stupid.

        6. when they launched Foursquare years ago everyone in the know called it Please Rob Me…

        7. The skip tracing companies set up fake Facebook profiles to locate persons of interest.

        8. I will never understand why people feel the need to “check in” with the world when they arrive at an airport

        9. First-stage of Internet narcissism maybe…I have no clue either. Nobody gives a fuck. Nobody with a brain, anyway.

        10. This happens and happened here to a rich doctor’s family. Teenaged daughter posts with family on exotic vacation, schoolmates see, and break in. They steal mom’s jewels, dad’s guns, and other valuables.
          Fuck facebook.

        11. There is a goldmine of information on those Facebook private messages, any divorce attorney would be a fool not to look into those in cases of infidelity. The messages don’t disappear with time either.

        12. Hahaha.
          I got a threat from some girls boyfriend a couple months back. How was i supposed to know? Anyway, i made sure i deleted all my personal shit asap.

      1. Any user if I am brutally honest is a dumb fuck. I have no social media presence and would sooner commit seppuku than lower myself to that. But, as a caveat, if I needed a presence for business purposes etc. I would have to renege. Otherwise, no dice.

    1. You know, I read once that the reason those Prince of Nigeria scam emails are so poorly written is that they want to weed out people with any kind of fucking brains in their heads. You look at this shit written idiotic email and you are like “who the fuck would fall for this” but the people who do are the targets, not you. They are looking for the morons who read that email and don’t understand how fucking ridiculous it is.
      Facebook seems very much the same to me. If you have a facebook and put ANYTHING on it that you in some way don’t want someone seeing then you are a fucking moron and Darwin is working on sorting you out.

      1. People posting interior photos of their homes, where they are at any given moment (restaurants and such). Criminals don’t have to stake out a target in the real world now like they did back in the old days – they just stake ’em out on Facebook.

      2. Try a 3rd tier fake facebook account, for ex girlfriends.
        You’ll be shaking your head at the mental shit they post…
        And its good to know what they really think-funny, disturbing, weird

        1. I know you dont want a real account (friends and family)
          So just do it with ex girlfriends.
          Just to see the nonsense they post…maybe the opposite of their facetiface persona

        2. You can use it for marketing, it’s very effective if you are selling some shit that cunts like.

    2. Zuckerberg is a pimp. Facebook is a street corner. If you sign up to stand on a pimp’s street corner, what does that make you?

    1. Ugh. Just because most people are more interested in celebrity skin than the activities of our government and business communities is no excuse for responsible citizens to ignore this stuff. I feel like the intelligence community has lost its focus and mission, and is just spilling out everywhere with a political strategy, but no clear strategy to protect the nation.

      1. “Ugh. Just because most people are more interested in celebrity skin than the activities of our government and business communities is no excuse for responsible citizens to ignore this stuff”
        Agreed. BPS did at least note at the end of the presentation that the American people had to decide what to do.

  14. Former Nazi scientists and engineers played a prominent role in the American space program. I wonder if the CIA has hired some former Stasi agents.

    1. Among the the recipients of project paper clip, many of the nazis were part of the foundation of the intelligence community. Their mk programs was their legacy

      1. Eventually, these Antifa guys are gonna pepper spray or pipe bash somebody at a Midwest event where it is legal to carry guns, and one (or more) of them will get killed. What happens after that? I bet they are hoping for it, and I bet their handlers have a plan.

        1. Holy hell. Thanks for the link. Going into content analysis mode…

        2. Jesus! The mind that could write this stuff– especially the love letter to the vile antihumanist Jiang Qing– frightens me. Inflexible, destructive, solipsistic, eternally-self-justified, minds. There is no cure for that kind of mental atrophy. Like being dead, and on autopilot.

      2. reminds me of “the 300” — should all dress the same – shield wall etc…
        but not me…I’m hiding at home – watching the show

    1. fucking awesome
      these guys could cure cancer – if they weren’t having so much fun
      tracking sun/airplanes etc in background …

  15. I had long suspected it was Trump’s allies or rather Hillary Clinton’s enemies in the deep state (NSA, FBI, CIA, etc) that were doing the leaks. Their evidence of finding Russian malware struck me as nonsense and ‘so what?’ Back in the early 1990s I knew a guy who would collect computer viruses. Not sure what he did with them but I can only guess. I am sure the practice of collecting viruses and malware to understand them and use them is well developed now. Just because a Russian wrote it doesn’t mean a Russian was using that copy let alone the Russian government.
    There’s an ideological war going on in the deep state best that some authors can tell and I am tending to agree with them. On side are the forces that gave us GWB, BHO, and HRC and on the other a side that saw or sees Trump as a way to reverse the disastrous course.
    Another telling piece of vault seven was the CIA above the president. Well consider this old article:
    Also consider what Jesse Ventura said when he was elected governor of MN:
    Now of course it is Ventura so we don’t know how much to believe but apparently that a meeting occurred is confirmed.

  16. Has anybody seen the Snowden movie ? I usuall avoid movie versions of such events as I do not want Hollywood to shape my view. But this movie sounds interesting according to a buddy of mine.

  17. Hi Anne. Thanks for the tip. If you really look like your avatar, you could make considerably more than $97 an hour. The work isn’t exactly sedentary in nature but as long as you’re not camera-shy, you should go far.

  18. Right now they’re mostly just watching. What will they be doing in ten years when a “liberal” President outlaws “racism” and “Islamophobia” by executive order and a complicit judiciary decides not to strike it down.

  19. Umm, disagree David. I know people in several countries bordering Russia and within Russia herself through work. Vladimir Putin may, or may not, have directly ordered the hacking (he likely did since it happened) but it is not unusual. There are people in border countries who do not communicate sensitive information electronically anymore. They KNOW better than to assume that Russia (much less the USA) is not able to rifle through their electronic messages.
    Putin has used this tactic before, and when the West didn’t give a shit, and more directly through “affiliated” groups in other Baltic countries. Hell, I’m one step away from saying (due to my friends living in Belarus, Ukraine, et al.) that not only should we “sell” (at a severe discount) arms to them, but allow some troops to be near the conflict zones so when Vladimir’s little paper separatists attack they have to go through them and possibly start WWIII.
    Putin only recognizes strength, so hopefully President Trump will wake up and realize that the rest of us were right and support the Baltic Christians against heathen Russian aggression like he should in the name of God.
    God bless you all, and prepare for WWIII because Vladimir appears intent on provoking such a war.

  20. What is more important and that has come out long ago in leaks and regular disclosures is how antiAmerican the CIA is. Willing to murder manipulate torture poison its own people. I prefer Putin over these scumbags.

  21. Thank god people are waking up to who the deep state is and what they are doing to us. In general they have no repect for the common man. The CIA had tortured killed and experimented on innocent Americans. Many are traitors to the country they claim to defend.

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