If you want to pick up hot girls, having charisma is crucial. A huge part of charisma is finding other people interesting enough to engage with them in a fun, albeit challenging manner. Guys who are natural players understand this instinctively. The rest of us have to learn it for ourselves.
The following query posted on the Seduction group on Reddit by a reader called Shit_My_Ex outlines his disappointment in the personalities of the girls that he meets through cold approach. I hope he won’t mind me quoting it verbatim here:
I have never been concerned whether I’m going to come across as boring or uninteresting, but I find most of the women I’m immediately physically attracted to I either don’t have much fundamentally in common with them or they severely lack a well rounded personality. Humor is one of the biggest turn on’s for me, I could be talking with a 10/10 stunner/ Neurosurgeon/ noble Laureate swim suit model…. But if her personality isn’t one that works with mime and we can’t whole heartedly laugh together… I just really don’t care. Obviously this a personal thing to me. But I wanted to know how often the rest of you legitimately like talking to the women you talk to.
I have heard this type of thing many times before from men and I’m not sure I buy it. It smacks a little of excuse-making. With all due respect to Mr Shit_My_Ex, I find it hard to believe that if a Victoria’s Secret model indicated that she wanted to sleep with him he would refuse on the grounds that she had a slightly impoverished sense of humour. It just doesn’t tally with male biological programming, which compels us to seek out sexual opportunities with young, physically attractive females.
I do accept however, that the poster might not want to enter into a relationship with a ‘boring or uninteresting’ girl. That is fair enough: neither would I. But here I believe he’s going about things the wrong way. As I have made clear many times before, in modern human courtship sex always comes first, the relationship second.
This isn’t some sort of misogynistic objectification of women but merely a fact. Sexual attraction is sparked, the guy and the girl go on a date or two (or maybe not if it’s a one-night stand) and they sleep together. It is only after that that the consideration of whether they should take things further arises.
I’m not saying that this is the way things should be, but it’s certainly the way things are. Most of us know from past experience that the other way—being a nice guy to ‘prove’ our compatibility with a particular girl in the hope that this will encourage her to have sex with us—doesn’t work. This is because sexual attraction cannot be negotiated. It is either present, visceral and all-consuming (and this can be influenced to some extent through game) or it isn’t.
I don’t mean to call out Mr Shit_My_Ex because, as I mentioned, I’ve heard comments of the kind he makes many times before from other guys. But I believe his attitude is a form of self-defence. On some level he doesn’t want to continue to expose himself to the (potential) cruelties of the sexual marketplace. Instead, he would rather absolve himself from the outset. By saying that most girls ‘severely lack a well rounded personality’ he is effectively stating that he is better than them. And if that’s the case then why should he bother approaching?
If you feel the same way then that’s fine—it’s entirely your prerogative. Give up on women, don’t approach and do something more productive with your time instead. Bu why then would you continue to read and post on a seduction message board? Mr Shit_My_Ex’s actions reveal a truth that his words conceal: he still wants to get laid.
Charisma
What is at the heart of this, in my view, is charisma. Here’s a working definition:
Charisma: Compelling attractiveness or charm that can inspire devotion in others.
Fascinatingly, the dictionary goes on to state that, from the Greek, charisma indicates a divinely conferred power or talent. The etymology is as follows:
Mid 17th century (in sense 2): via ecclesiastical Latin from Greek kharisma, from kharis ‘favour, grace’.
So he who is charismatic has had ‘favour’ and ‘grace’ conferred on him divinely. In this context, charisma is something like a superpower.
Last weekend I visited my father and met up with two of my sisters. At one point my sisters commented on my dad’s charisma, marveling at how he knows and is friendly with bar and restaurant owners and staff all over town. And it’s true. Wherever I go with him, be it in London or Brighton where he lives, he befriends all kinds of people.
Watching him in action it’s easy to see how. He shows genuine interest in everyone he comes into contact with. He is warm, witty and charming. People are naturally drawn towards this and they open up to him and remember him afterwards.
To someone who is less able to do it, it might seem as though he has a ‘divinely conferred’ ability. But actually he is shy and somewhat introverted. But because he has learned to do the work—that is, be actively interested in others—he reaps social rewards. And the people that he interacts with become hugely more interesting because he makes them feel comfortable enough to reveal their personalities.
As a man who has been into game for many years, I love women (despite all those pesky intergender dynamics we all have to negotiate) and I can honestly say that I have rarely, if ever, approached one that I’ve considered boring.
That’s not to say that there haven’t been women I’ve been more compatible with than others. But I’ve dated all different kinds of girls from PhDs to shop assistants and I’ve found something interesting about them all.
Human beings are incredibly complex. All of us, from the least intelligent to the most articulate and well-educated, have enormously intricate inner lives. It is in the gift of the one approaching to draw out—through his charisma—the personality of the girl before him.
Remember, it has been said that in pickup the girl is your mirror. If you are looking in a lot of mirrors and finding what is reflected back to be uninteresting then perhaps there is some work to be done closer to home.
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Nothing more boring than a woman from the scandinavian, they have icicles in their pussy and are frigid like the tundras of alaska. No passion, no passion in sex, no bedroom eyes. Sexually dead and unfeminine.
I have my Swedish flag and approve this observation.
Maybe they’ll be awakened by learning to say “Allahu Akbar” with uncircumcised dicks in their mouths. Because that’s definitely on the agenda.
Well, little boys in Afghanistan are made to do that with their mullahs, so maybe the frigid Skank-dinavian gals could learn to love it. Many probably already do.
They want Sharia Law. It’s an excuse for them to get repeatedly fucked by sandy dicks, bathe in camel shit and just say they were raped
That’s sad to hear. Physically they can be akin to near perfection in women. That seems like a cruel prank played by God on men.
Germanics in America though, hell yeah. Just as hot, but can be a total blast in the sack.
Vivarin usually works. Or a venti espresso.
There is also unquantifiable chemistry to consider. Sometimes, there is a chemical melding between two people that is a source of interest and fascination all itself, no matter what is being discussed.
In the absence of a degree of chemistry, even the most physically blessed girls and boys may grow instantly bored of each other.
If she’s wearing flip-flops, step on her foot.
If she’s drinking something, take it away from her and guzzle it.
If she’s texting, stand next to her and say “blah blah blah BLAH blah blah BLAH” really loud with intonations as though you’re mocking a conversation.
If all else fails, say “I bet you’re the kind of girl who ______”. Make up something ridiculous and never back down no matter how much she protests.
There are a thousand ways to provoke a girl. Just get her defensive.
“just get her defensive.”
Yeah, but what for?
As a way to get her into conversation, and then bed her. Whether this is worthwhile or not with today’s totally lackluster females is entirely up to you. Personally I’d rather listen to a rendition of “we are the champions” sung by 1,000 chipmunks and scooby doo to an off tune variation of Actaeon in Heaven.
Hell yeah, as long as you pay Queen, Alvin and Shaggy royalties, sounds good.
Because it’s funny.
No, women aren’t really that interesting. Slaves to emotion and insecurity, illogical and nagging to a fault. Look at it this way: Women are generally so boring, they’d rather act like men and reject their femininity, which makes them more boring and lame try-hards.
In the final analysis, women are almost exactly like chickens. Similar intelligence level. They have to be around other chickens, they can’t stop talking, and they’re prone to mass hysteria at the slightest suggestion. Also, as in the henhouse, if they find a weaker chicken, they surround it and peck it to death. Although, to be fair, chickens are more trustworthy and have greater utility.
As a wise man once said, If it didn’t have a pussy, it would have a price on its head.
Brilliant. Sublime.
But…women rarely, if ever, shit breakfast.
This is one of your more challenging posts Troy. On the one hand, is there such a thing as boring? Maybe to those with charisma there isn’t and maybe to those without charisma there is. Maybe it has little to do with charisma. Think the real secret here is how self absorbed a person is in any given scenario determines the level of interest others can build off of. Say you meet a woman. She young and hot and you are middle aged. On its face, there may be little to Bridge you two other than your desire to fuck her. That’s fine but unless if you can be bold enough to be extremely masculine, this might not generate al the tingle she needed to get the lay sold.
At that point, you should circle back to this truth; you aren’t her entertainer. Talk to her, express your sexual interest. Be cool if the lay doesn’t happen immediately but keep at it assuming you can get the lay. If you find yourself talking to much, start to ask questions and say statements that won’t get one word answers unless if she is not interested. If she is truly boring and you are grated by this, be bold and ask if your dick was made of gold and if she sucked it she would be set for life, would she do it. This might be too ballsy for some, but your goal is to learn the truth of why she is bored, if she is, and to verify if there is sexual sparks you can use.
Remember, these girls are watching porn, potentially having theeesomes, sex with dogs, you don’t know. Some directness won’t kill you.
So much this. Troy reminds me of the old school PUA types influenced by feminism. IT’S ALL ABOUT ENTERTAINING THEM LIKE A FUCKING CLOWN THEY SAY.
Fuck that. Just go for it. If she isn’t into you no amount of simping and acting like you give a shit will matter.
A theory I’ve entertained of late is that the purpose of shit testing isn’t so much to actually shit test men but to be able to SAY he was shit tested.
In other words I’m fucking this rake because he’s kind and funny and gentle and sweet and gives to charity and is kind to animals and loves humanity and saves whales and smart and blah,blah.blah…. Skittles diarrhea out the unicorns ass and NOT simply because he’s a good rake.
All goes back to that old saying “a man only needs a place but a woman needs a reason”.
It’s better to find YOUR ENTERTAINMENT from women.
Until orgasm. Then she can get tf out of my face.
Nonsense.
The OP I quote is effectively letting himself off the hook. What he’s really saying is that girls are so boring that why should he bother to approach?
While I sympathise with the view that ‘hot chicks are all boring’ I don’t really agree with it. My advice to the OP is that if finding girls boring is a buffer to approaching then you should reset your thinking.
My overall advice–as always–is that you just need to approach. Don’t let yourself off the hook. And yeah I agree – be direct as hell. I always am, even though I am also curious about the women I meet.
The best advice to give a guy who says he won’t approach because girls are boring is:
“that is like saying you refuse to find work because they pay you in money as opposed to entertainment”.
Seek entertainment and mindfucks elsewhere. This creature has a nice wet hole you can live in for a while. Go make that happen. If you’re not finding girls interesting that doesn’t make you not interesting it makes you a normal man who just was misled in thinking women are interesting. They’re not.
You’re telling him he isn’t interesting enough. The rest of us are telling him he needs to stop giving a shit because it doesn’t mean a damn fucking thing. He probably now is focused on “becoming interesting ” (whatever the fuck that means) when instead he should just realize what the rest of us have. We just stopped judging women by male standards. It’s not their job to be interesting. Why should men chase after something that for the most part doesn’t exist?
Clowning is just one of many tools with which one can confidently express their excellence.
“sex with dogs”
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If she owns one you can count on it.
The crime of it is, even the so-called virgins (blowjobs, girl-on-girl only…) have grown up WATCHING more porn than you’ve likely experienced.
Today I was thinking about a girl I had a mini relationship with a decade ago. Even though I am a father several times over with a wife that is everything I want, for some reason, she kept popping back into my mind a lot: on the way to the gym to build the discipline of Steel; at the gym; and on the way back from the gym.
This girl spoke around 8 languages including English, French, German, Italian, Spanish, Portuguese, Japanese, and Chinese. When I first met her I was teaching a course as a graduate student and she was a student seeking entry to grad school. I always felt a little intimidated by this polyglot ability of hers even though I was her academic superior in many ways and had a much more defined purpose in life.
Our brief tryst was ended because a) she talked too much and b) she was my first serious attempt at game, c) she fucking talked too much.
In a moment of idle curiosity I did a little internet stalkery and found her facebook page. She married some darkish half indian half south american guy back home and gave birth to a baby that doesn’t look anything like her. She’s a real Nordic looking girl so basically all her phenotype got overwritten. Incidentally, the guy she married carries my first name, wears scarfs, and has a penchant for selfies.
Every picture with him looks like she is unhappy and discontented.
This girl has a high power doctoral degree from a 1% school (think either H or Y), speaks more languages than there are nationalities in Europe, and is apparently unhappy.
I conclude that raw intellectual ability has nothing to do with happiness/satisfaction in life for a woman. By nature they find definition and happiness in life through their man, the rawer and more masculine the better. This chick would have been happier with a monoglot guy like me who ditched the academic career for speed and altitude.
“By nature they find definition and happiness in life through their man, the rawer and more masculine the better.”
Agree. My mom is academically more superior than my dad. They met in highschool. She went to University after they graduated from highschool, but my dad didn’t because his family was poor.
She met a lot of guys that were academically superior than her, but she was not interested in any of them because they were all wimps and not as masculine as my dad.
My mom said that doesn’t mean my dad is stupid. He’s smart in his own way. He achieved things that even those guys who were academically more superior than him failed to achieve or were scared to pursue. He doesn’t wait for anyone’s approval and just do what he gotta do.
My mom said “I could’ve been a wife of some professor of some University and my life would’ve been “perfect”, but I wouldn’t be as content as I am now.”
Notice that she said “content” instead of “happy”.
Kudos to your mom man, for realizing what was going to fulfill her in life. Most women make a big mistake there. You are lucky to be raised by a wise woman who values true masculinity.
Thanks, man. Nothing irritates her more than wimpy ass guys.
Happy is fleeting. It feels very good in the beginning but it wears off quick. Content involves ups and downs in life bringing an evaluation of having little regret on the end of the journey.
Exactly. Happiness, sadness, money, comes and goes. But contentment stays.
If you are content, you can face anything in life.
I had a conversation with a lovely woman about this.
She’s in her 40′ a couple of kids and she is well off and her husband is a rugged, masculine painter.
She was oozing of horniness from the sight of me and my colleagues doing renovations in our shop.
Bottomline: women loves manly men.
You can fill them up with bullshit human SJW psychology, but you cannot baffle Mother Natures biology. That’s why Lesbians are the most unhappy and emo suicidal bitches the world has. The HATE men, but cannot override their need for dick.
Good point… “the rawer and more masculine the better.” Seems women generally hate to admit that but very true. Thanks for sharing.
“This chick would have been happier with a monoglot guy like me who ditched the academic career for speed and altitude.”
At first, are you sure that he’s a polyglot guy? The sole fact that he has roots from different countries doesn’t mean that he can speak various languages.
As to her (un)happiness… I didn’t see those photos so I really don’t want to negate your oppinion per se, but what if is she just tired because of her motherhood? Or because of any other reason?
Lastly, you said that she talked too much and had nothing interesting to say, which I understand that you found her boring. Why do you think she could be happier with somebody like you, i. e. somebody who considers her the same way as you?
Anyway, I agree that happiness and satisfaction in life for a woman is more founded on the relationships than on the carreer. And yes, many women (especially in their youth) define themselves through their men. But isn’t it what you guys here on ROK want?
A girl doesn’t learn 8 languages because she likes being the silent type, man. Heh.
Yeah, I figured that out after a while. She spoke 4 of them natively due to her national background, another due to where her family lived, and others because of research interests.
What’s weird though, like I pointed out in the story, she had very little to say of a substantive nature in any of them.
She was a bit strange, too, had some fine blond hair/blue eyes but dyed her hair jet black in recent photos.
If she spoke four languages natively, I’m going out on a limb to guess that she was Swiss.
She did that because of regret. She didn’t want to recognize the face in the mirror.
That is a good take. I hadn’t thought of that.
Your limb is solid.
Its a form of self hatred when they engage in radical self mutilation, they are ashamed of what they have become. I think that why so many of the feminists look like train wrecks, subconsciously they know what they have become is repulsive and opposite if where they came from. I would guess that they hide or got rid of pictures of themselves BEFORE the discovered “feminism”, so they are not reminded of who they were before their fall.
This story was a total ripoff! Not a single light saber duel or blaster fight! FFS, George Lucas ruins everything.
HAHAHA!!!! priceless!
If you think Lucas is bad, look what Disney did to me… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/025d03894c09b4ce19242ec6b33c1be7dd489c3995f8f8add46a704d7aa241ed.jpg
Hypergamy has an alter ego that a user can never escape and is attached at the hip to, and that bitches name is Karma, she becomes a womans de facto husband by merely riding the cock carousel and takes the form of the poor bloke who marries her later.
That’s alot of good her silly linguistics PhD will do her now that we have GOOGLE TRANSLATE. I’ll tell you why she copped a brownie half-indian kid. It’s the same reason Ann Dunham, as smart ass as she was went monkey shine, busting out a Eurocapoid and she still kept a dufus shit eating grin when she posed with baby Barry. It’s because she was a globetrotting vamp without an inkling for her own culture. A wandering woman, fluid and debased and captivated by wherever region on Earth she blows to. Even ‘Barry’s’ mother abandoned the nest afterwards. Flaky bitch. It takes a special brand of sharia to keep Ann Dunham’s type domesticated. The blonde linguistics whiz, I would have smashed her with a crash course in polygamous polygyny. Expect nothing more from a woman like that.
In academia, race realism is now as it was in Ann Dunham’s day, a taboo subject on the typical marxist campus. You can’t even speak race realism in most every classroom, so therefore no one learns it and women especially sure can’t obtain a sense of tribe or culture where the subject is censored. White western culture is not one of those things a woman can pull out of her ass. A woman can birth a baby but she can’t birth a culture. If a woman can’t produce culture, she can’t retain it. Ann Dunham lost all her sense of base culture after an anthropology degree followed by being blindfolded and spun around three times. That wasn’t a piñata stick she grabbed. It was a Congo nigger’s dick. Dunham wasn’t elite society so she was relegated to back-of-the-bus scrap shiteater culture.
And the blonde PhD linguist, I bet she was petite and a shoe in for brown nosing the system. She prided in being one of the ‘first’ bitches to achieve merit in this or that. Bitch should have been told to shut up, breed and tit feed. For high flying, falooting fun, hell a petite stripper that does pole aerobatics and reads books independently would suffice. But the blonde ‘translator’ is another breeding loss for the west. She could mimic any tongue – whoop de doo. If she were dropped off in New Guinea, she would have popped a saucer lip baby just so she could “chirpity-chirp clickity-clack” and get her ‘Pidgeon’ merit badge. But you must have balls still to be a real globetrotting scout.
No female that trots the globe really knows what she’s doing or where she’s going. Multilinguality only throws gasoline on their insane Forrest Gump cannonball run ’round the globe. No woman has any compass.
College really wastes our best breeders in the west. It’s ashame.
(I don’t usually post on the pickup threads, but like to read them for insight into feminine psychology.)
I was in the coffeeshop today and checking out all the eye-candy. Then some young hotties sat at an adjacent table. The vocal fry, the loud, vapid conversation. Wouldn’t want even to hang out, really just wanted to get out of there.
Ew. Vocal fry.
Most of the current offerings are truly repellent beyond the youth and fashion.
That’s exactly why I have rarely dated <25 yrs, even when I was that age. The voices, the babble, the voices, the babble…
However, I did find one exception. A 22-yr-old hottie in S. America, a 6-ft tall brunette smokeshow who played math games on her phone FOR FUN. She was a unicorn. Then, after two nights of more or less continuous banging, she revealed that she was getting married in two weeks.
Cheating on her fiance? She’s not a unicorn in my book.
Seriously wtf. Math games impress you but you forget she is a typical whore. Yay for being a simp!
Haha.
“Dis girl was mad smart yo…she had like MATH games on her phone an sheeit. Bitch even hit Dem books sometimes too…her shit was called 50 shades or sumpin”
But den I bang her doe… Before her weddin’… Boii, she gotta be like sum unicorn or sum shiet… I’m telling’ ya man…
The modern female is ridiculously shallow, an emotional wreck, and likely incapable of doing the most basic domestic tasks. Of course they’re boring.
The key to the article…. too many bitter, negative and boring men here who don’t offer much, see the worst in the women they meet and don’t even seem to like women. Troy is great because he actually starts from the point where he likes women……..
“But I’ve dated all different kinds of girls from PhDs to shop assistants and I’ve found something interesting about them all.
Human beings are incredibly complex. All of us, from the least intelligent to the most articulate and well-educated, have enormously intricate inner lives. It is in the gift of the one approaching to draw out—through his charisma—the personality of the girl before him.
Remember, it has been said that in pickup the girl is your mirror. If you are looking in a lot of mirrors and finding what is reflected back to be uninteresting then perhaps there is some work to be done closer to home.”
No, there’s plenty of research around the topic suggesting the opposite. Beautiful women in the western world are put on a pedestal. They don’t have to put in the work to be funny, interesting, philosophical, or invest any time at all into self development.
I love women for their femininity. But that is quite lacking in american women. So I meet a lot of women trying their hardest to sound intellectual…
Fail.
Wonder36g
Thanks for the advice Troy’s fluffer. But I think I and many other men uninterested by women can attest that genuinely giving a fuck about them or finding them likable is not necessary to bed them or even find relationships.
Keep taking that blue pill though. You’re a femboy
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I realized why women today act like they’re all that even though they don’t do anything productive. It comes down to them taking hours putting on their make up that makes them think they did the equivalent of say a man who digs a ditch a day in a town that is constantly flooded or heck just someone that found a cure for stomach cancer. The thing is women won’t say this because they want you to be in the illusion that their make up face is the real them all natural.
I once dated a girl for six months that barely spoke. At first I thought it was because she was shy but soon discovered she had nothing of interest to say. We would meet up, I would try to start a conversation and after about ten minutes of it going nowhere we would just fuck. After six months of dating I absolutely knew nothing about this girl except she loved getting plowed.
Nirvana.
Lol, pro comment. Well done!
Ha.Nice. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/b0a3e0a7d9674a8904c60aad2628b265049d2f333d3539e51d363781ee220542.jpg
Hahaha
Could have been an aspie.
Learn how to spot one (basically hot but not really showing it) and the rewards are incalculable.
Most people have something to say, it’s just that others are too busy to listen as they’re talking about themselves. A fine skill is the art of listening to others as it makes great friends, even with people that you think are beneath you. (No pun intended.)
Obviously the girl in your story was different, but it reminded me of that magic moment on a date when you are trying to keep the conversation going or something, and then you realize the girl is just waiting for you to finish your bullshit and just fuck her brains out.
This sounds amazing!
I can sympathize with Mr. Fuck My Ex. Interesting people almost always have one thing in common: adversity. But our modern culture throws women little of this, it protects them from it (at the cost of men) and then openly applauds their ability to ascend over the smallest obstacle. (Betty Friedan openly compared the plight of American housewives to that of Jews in the holocaust–and PEOPLE BOUGHT IT!) How can a women develop real character? Certainly they will think life’s been tough on them, but we all think this. A world without rain grows no trees. Excuse the saccharine metaphor.
Yeah I am gonna call bullshit on this. Most red pilled men realize women get more and more uninteresting the hotter they get. Patrick O’Neal realized this. Roosh realized this. You Mr. Article Writer have a product to sell most likely so you sugar coat shit.
Women are less interesting than men are in terms of what they have to say. And they are dumber and vapid. Get this 2004 PA shit out of here.
The more attractive the female, the less the necessity to develop other personality traits. It’s much harder for men to get through life merely on good looks. Women on the other hand can easily do so.
You got it. I am not even saying I use this as a crutch to not talk to women. Rather you’re better off not beating around the bush and just leading them physically. Who cares what she has to say if you get her making out with you + more.
I don’t buy this bull of using words and being charming around very attractive women. They tend to respond more to physical escalation than most of what you have to say. These PUA’s seem very out of touch with reality. They make it harder than it actually is.
Because they have shit to push naturally
I think it all matters; appearance, finances, game, status, etc.
I very much dislike the disposability our consumerism society encourages. People not too long ago got married in their early 20s and were exponentially happier than we are now. Especially the women in this modern hypergamous state.
Of course it all matters. But trying to find an interesting western woman is am exercise in futility. They have no personality and are generally vapid creatures.
The “cute” librarian types have more to say. But most PUA types overlook them.
Right. By “interesting” some of these people mean a 5-8, blonde, 36D-24-34…and interesting. Laundry lists are for feminists. Men should be above that.
I got a list of my laundry for some feminists to do. They need to get their obese asses in gear, stat.
Gushy male verbal diarrhea the women LOVE and so do simps/PUAs, until their tongues get them into trouble. Real men don’t need to appeal to their vanity.
I met an interesting home schooled young lady who enjoys rock climbing, rafting and outdoor activities. She’d done some daring stuff so I presumed she was high T. Not so looking at her slender, tall model figure and covergirl face. Her fam is religious and she says it is all in the hands of God. She’s not jaded since her face has never paraded around in a public HS for validation. If she had been placed in public schooling, she would have developed zero personality. She’s a 1/100 attractiveness and multiply that with another 1/100 chance that her family kept her out of the corrupt system. A jewel of a find in the west. She needs domesticated and bred at once.
What hobbies should an attractive young woman have?
Cooking/baking is a really good one. Something with adventure as well, like she likes to go white water rafting, or she enjoys heading out on a kayak, or something like that (well, for me anyway). Fashion and vanity expertise is also a good choice (I like a slightly vain girl who insists on keeping up her appearance). Just off the top of my head.
#1 for me is personal fitness or I’ll lose attraction.
ANYTHING but marksmanship or game-dressing….
Y’know even if its something stupid that I hate, their enthusiasm in general can be a bit of a turn on.
Yes. Absolutely yes. It’s the passion and the desire to find something interesting in life that is the good part.
I f I spy a fat roll, the mind shuts off and doesn’t see anything else. Well trained brain reaction, I go visually blind to them, they vanish from my vision like pixelized out. They could be wearing a an actual halo rich smart and willing to give it all to me…not interested.The only fat I tolerate is my fat dick.
Pouch gut or spare tires or worse yet Mr Goodyear shape….ugh…visual ipecac. Not shallow at all, just very discerning and no time for those that don’t appeal to me.
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Generally I agree with your posts here on most points, but I’m not certain this is entirely true. I’ve found a decent amount of HB8-10 types who are interesting enough. Generally guys won’t talk to them out of fear so they’re really, really lonely (you wouldn’t think it right? But the number of fearful betas out there, well, they’re legion). But most of the time, yeah, I’d say that usually even interesting *normal* girls are hard to find, let alone hot.
I don’t believe that at all ever. The best looking girls (8+) might not get hit on the most compared to the more approachable attractive girls (6-8), but they still get hit on a lot. In fact, OK Cupid has the largest online database and discovered exactly that. Might be slightly different with direct interactions, but the top girls still get plenty of attention.
Real life. Not online. Online is digital courage. And guys expect either she’s a bot, or to get insta shot down in a painless way (hey, it’s only words on a screen!).
Most 8-10 range I talk to, and observe, are not surrounded by men chatting them up. Guys will be *nearby* ogling them, obviously, but approaching? Nah, the vast majority of men are cowards when it comes to the top shelf snatch.
It’s very much a case of actions not matching their claims. Just like “where did all the good men go?” 8+ still get plenty of attention. Perhaps to a certain extent less than more approachable 6-8s but it’s plenty of attention nonetheless. Women only care about validation anyway so the most attractive ones can get that online whenever they want. It’s not even remotely close to what men deal with.
I agree. The hotter, the crazier. Nobody should have as much attention as some hot girls have gotten their whole lives. People laugh at them when they aren’t funny. Smile at them when they’re mad. Hire them when they have no experience. Tell them everything they say is interesting when it’s fucking straight off a Huffpost headline.
America is the biggest pedestal for women and the pedestal removes all motivation to excel at anything. Just listen to an interview with any female celebrity.
The good new is, these girls are the easiest to game. Just tell them they aren’t your type.
You obviously don’t live in a city where non White men but also drunk fat White men all hit on ANYTHING with a pulse. I see any woman who is an 8 surrounded by men all the time.
I learned long ago that the hottest chicks get the most stares but not much follow through.
I don’t care if they are “interesting.” I’m indifferent to that trait. In order I value appearance, trustworthiness, and approachability. Finding an American girl with those three characteristics is equivalent to a unicorn already. I don’t need to add interesting on top of it. I know I am interesting. I know I have interesting friends. I don’t need an interesting woman.
That’s the other thing. Bullshit from PUA theory states we have to be genuinely interested in women. No the fuck we don’t. If they want to fuck and we do too, we just have to trigger their gina tingles. Being interested isn’t even prerequisite. People overcomplicate this shit and this is some simp shit. “I love women and have yet to find a boring one”. Keep lying to yourself buddy. Let’s get off the vagina worship. If we don’t find women interesting they will respect us more for not pretending.
Truth. I was actually thinking this today. Being “interested” is almost a detriment when trying to pick up girls. I think I’m much better off by having the mindset that I’m not “interested” in a girl I want to bang.
If you are interested in a woman, she humiliates you. Not anymore for me.
Not if you have strong Alpha frame.
This is by far the most important frame to master, as it requires that you fully complete yourself before anyone else.
A woman senses when a man is genuinely attracted to her. She becomes a Yes Girl. This is a Connection.
But if your attraction is based on desire to be a stud, they’d sniff that out too. This is a Bang.
Consider beta blockers (preferably older, less heart specific types like propanalol)
IMHO most underated anti-anxiety drug out there.
And the cool part is that it becomes (physiologically) impossible for her to make you blush, heart rate to go up, to palpitate, etc.
Totally deprives her of the satisfaction.
It’s in how you show the interest that causes the humiliation response. You can display interest without it coming across as a reason for her to shiv you.
I agree.
So that’s why they’re called beta blockers!
“If they want to fuck and we do too, we just have to trigger their gina tingles.”
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IF they want to fuck we just have to follow the ‘formalities’ to get there.
totally agree. I don’t plan on having intellectual conversations with women, period. I don’t plan on going out with them and spending quality emotional time either. Fuck that.
Like some bitch who reads buzzfeed or huffington post all day while chatting about avocado face masks with her “coworkers” is going to have anything to say that means shit to me?
I haven’t met an interesting decent looking girl in years, but it hasn’t stopped me from fucking a few dozen boring tarts. I’m not looking to be “completed” by a woman, so I stopped giving a shit about their lame personalities.
Exactly. They have little to contribute.
Partly agree with Troy; partly with commenter Jess MG. I would like to think that people have something at least mildly interesting beneath the surface. At least the two of you can enjoy they first dates and the positive energy that often emerges between you before it fades, given that you click physically.
For instance a Swedish slut (28 with nice fake tits and a petite figure but with at best an average face) whom I smashed last year was not interesting and seemed a bit unbalanced (like she couldn’t stand a normal office job, rather than being severely depressed). A lot of complaining and shit. But at least we had two nice encounters and talked between the sessions. Another Swedish girl – much smarter and less promiscuous – was not very interesting and somewhat shallow. She was obsessed about her upcoming law career (she was 23), fitness/wellness, and wrote on Facebook that she was reading 50 shades of Gay. Still I enjoyed our time together, especially the first 4-5 encounters and the good sex.
The most interesting personalities, in general, that I have met were in northeast Asia. The average IQ level is 105 and they have a better balance between traditional and modern values and interests. Also they have to go through more hours and more intense education so they have an almost forced inclination for knowledge and learning. One girl, a slim 25-year old that I was dating in Seoul, loved literarature, and we could really connect on the platonic level (but only after having connected on the physical level).
Seems like traditional courtship is better than dating in so far as one doesn’t try to test everything out first but rather is supposed to be a short period for making sure someone will be a good spouse and then having sex with them in marriage. But it still wouldn’t work today because courtship would probably put a guy too much in the “gentleman” mindset which could easily lead him to being friendzoned.
Partly agree with Troy; partly with commenter Jess MG.
I would like to think that people have something at least mildly interesting beneath the surface. At least the two of you can enjoy they first dates and the positive energy that often emerges between you before it fades, given that you click physically.
For instance a Swedish slut (28 with nice fake tits and a petite figure but with at best an average face) whom I smashed last year was not interesting and seemed a bit unbalanced (like she couldn’t stand a normal office job, rather than being severely depressed). A lot of complaining and shit. But at least we had two nice encounters and talked between the sessions. Another Swedish girl – much smarter and less promiscuous – was not very interesting and somewhat shallow. She was obsessed about her upcoming law career (she was 23), fitness/wellness, and wrote on Facebook that she was reading 50 Shades of Gay. Still I enjoyed our time together, especially the first 4-5 encounters and the good sex.
The most interesting personalities were in Northeast Asia. They have a better balance between traditional and modern values and more intellectual hobbies. Also they have to go through more hours and more intense education, so they have an almost forced inclination for knowledge and learning. One girl, a slim 25-year old that I was dating in Seoul, loved literature, and we could really connect on the platonic level (but only after having connected on the physical level).
Wait, women have authentic “personalities” sometimes, you say? News to me. 😉
Yes, actually. Come to think of another uninteresting Swedish girl that I dated for a month or two, in 2015. She came from a small town and was 21. She took a five-hour bus just to meet me in the capital because I was more exciting than the local guys. As long as we focused on trivial things like eating, watching tv-series/films and fucking it was okay but she was so goddamn boring and dull. Still I could not say that she was a bad person because she was very agreeable. Women have higher agreeableness and gregariousness than men, which make them pleasant companies in smaller doses.
But most girls don’t have real interests, and when they have they are almost always a reflection of the current zeitgeist (fitness/wellness, pop culture and shopping). Some of these can be moderately interesting but quite few read and reflect. That is why the platonic friendship between male is often, but not alway better, since they are more rational and interested in ideas.
Come to think of another uninteresting Swedish girl that I dated for a month or two, in 2015.
She came from a small town, 21. As long as we focused on trivial things like eating, watching tv-series/films and fucking it was okay but she was so goddamn dull and boring. Still I could not say that she was a bad person because she was very kind. Women have higher agreeableness and gregariousness than men, which make them pleasant companies in smaller doses.
But a lot of girls don’t have real interests, and when they have they are almost always a reflection of the current zeitgeist (fitness/wellness, pop culture and shopping). Some of these can be moderately interesting but few read and reflect.
I dated the same type from Oregon of all places.
Often reflection of current boyfriend.
Remoras
OT: http://www.truthrevolt.org/news/swedish-artist-who-created-gay-jesus-says-shed-never-do-gay-mohammed
I guess she realizes it would be redundant since Mohammed is a pedophile.
“I find it hard to believe that if a Victoria’s Secret model indicated that she wanted to sleep with him he would refuse on the grounds that she had a slightly impoverished sense of humour.”
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Ah, refreshing daily doses of truth like this.
This is why the manosphere will never die.
Women can be more interesting when they’ve fully embraced their femininity. It turns them into a sort of mystical being apart from all the man wannabe women and other men. Of course as she is a mythological creature and likely doesn’t exist
That creature existed until the 60’s in the west and still exist today outside of it.
If we are going to create good mother’s again, we ought to have standards.
If we are going to just bang, personality isn’t important.
My pinky has more personality than most Western women.
Women jump onto certain hobbies to find certain type of men.
Like texting out different beds.
Me: “So baby, I have tickets to go see Marcel Marceau this evening.”
Her: “Ugh, I hate people like him. There was one at the office and I refused to work with him because he was such a jerk”
Me: “Get the fuck out of my car, bitch”
Don’t be such a typo-nazi.
Don’t be such a humorless git.
Can charisma be learned?
Im not charismatic . But i use other tricks.
Friend is ugliest fucker in town, and i mean ugly in every way. But spends his time walking around talking to everyone.
Day and night.
Self confessed: “I have charissma”
Seen him with reasonable women i.e physically he is a 2 and very old. Women are 20 years younger and 7.
And now has landed a whale(not a fatty) blond, attractive, wealthy socialite…older – near his age. But still – seems impossible
Is there any good utube- or article…
I think charisma is better, especially long term, than shit lord game…
No one said it doesn’t help with women. The premise of this article is that attractive women can be interesting. I and other posters notice that looking for this is largely irrelevant and not common.
But by all means develop your personality. It is US after all who have important shit to say, rarely them.
i’d take a bit boring gal over a fucking slut any day
depends on the ownership timeframe.
” Humor is one of the biggest turn on’s for me, I could be talking with a 10/10 stunner/ Neurosurgeon/ noble Laureate swim suit model…. But if her personality isn’t one that works with mime and we can’t whole heartedly laugh together”
Let’s see… a 10/10 swuimsuit model who is ALSO a neurosurgeon / noble Laureate. Cmon … WTF? Are we deluding ourselves here? This is the kind of fantasy one would read in Penthouse forum back in the 1970’s.
Any red pilled man today knows chicks like don’t exist. Seriously.
Ps – hint: if the skag is hot looking, she won’t be boring to any man who wants to fuck.
The SECOND she’s funnier that me (as if that were possible) I leave.
This. I am interested in every girl I’m attracted to largely by virtue of the fact I want to bang them.
But why? What is it that makes them THAT interesting? My cock is interested in them. Anything else…meh.
When I was a kid I stalked and eventually ‘went out with’ a girl who I thought was brilliant and mysterious because she never babbled or giggled like most teen-age girls.
Turned out she was just fukkin’ stupid.
Nothing came out because there was nothing goin’ on upstairs.
Same here. Dead fuck too, but the pussy was slick, strong and tight.
There’s always a trade off.
Rarely approached a boring girl troy? If your conclusion is that they are mirrored…. I wonder how interesting / intellectual you are lol.
I meet boring women all the time. We fake interest to get laid just as woman laugh at our non funny jokes.
Well, you can judge that yourself from the 125+ articles I have up on this site.
I doubt I will rely on proof-read advertorials to judge personality. I also didnt mention “interesting” is in the eye of the beholder, which reinforces your mirror theory lol.
I believe we can all learn from some of these non interesting women, such as serenity from the empty minded and self dedication from the narcissistic & spoiled. But after a few days (accumulated over time) there is little left of interest. It is like learning/watching bliss in children, you blink after a few seconds and it’s back to reality. You write some good stuff. Some statements just don’t have coherence.
I felt compelled to leave a comment because I feel this is a great observation. If a woman feels uncomfortable around you or doesn’t trust you, she will seem “boring”. I can speak from experience here. Most women/people are fascinating in their own way, it’s just a matter of building enough rapport for them to reveal their true selves. Good stuff.
I really need to stop banging these grocery store bitches.
“Ted Striker has more guts than all of us in his little finger, including the colon!”
Most women I run into are really hilarious despite anything else(in different ways)
Always look for some humor in women.
They love guys with a sense of humor.
No man should try to get his intellectual or even emotional needs met by a woman. She is incapable of thinking or following the thought process that a man does. Build up your circle of mentors and good male friends. Schedule your meetings and outings strictly, because you need fellowship with other men. Then you’ll see women in a whole new light.
Love them for what they CAN do very well: have vaginas, sound feminine, and make everything look sexy.
Best advice ever, if I’m totally honest.
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After setting a high standard for myself and accomplishing much, I have found most people, not just women to be very boring and average. However, I don’t hold this against them. It’s partly the fault of our modern society. So I feign interest and find most often that you don’t know interesting someone really is until you get to know them for awhile.
Someone’s read his 48 Laws of Power.
This can be a problem for extroverts more than introverts, who are more apt to talk about themselves, it’s something people like me have to actively control and moderate with what’s prescribed here.
But some girls really are just boring and when you want them to open up they have nothing to open up about. It happens less than some guys would have it, but it does happen.