After absorbing the experiences of hundreds of men (and women), it has become clear to me that dating simply doesn’t work for finding a life partner. No other tactic has a greater failure rate in creating stable marriages and families than Western-style dating, a method that only excels in finding short-term sexual partners.
Before writing off dating completely, we have to first define what a relationship success story looks like. I’d define it as a marriage that is maintained for at least 25 years and which results in the birth of at least one child, meaning no catastrophic divorce that harms the upbringing of children. Many people you know who seem happily married are not yet a success story, but since most of my readers are under 40, let’s lower the bar and define success as any stable marriage that is at least ten years in length.
How many people do you know who have been happily married for at least ten years? Now how many people do you know who have not been married for ten years and who likely have no hope for that outcome in the next decade? Unless you are a part of a religious community, I predict that you know far more people who have absolutely nothing to show for their dozens or hundreds of dates and hookups. As dating has become even more shallow thanks to apps like Tinder, most people will outright fail in finding a mate through the strategy of dating.
If dating was an experimental drug intended to treat cancer, the experiment would stop halfway through because of how disastrous it is on the patient. Randomly opening a phone book and marrying the first opposite sex name you come across would have the same success rate, assuming there is mutual physical attraction. There is nothing within our DNA that allows us to successfully sample a hundred or more people, often sexually, to find love or compatibility without also succumbing to hedonism, self-harm, alcohol abuse, or outright sterility through the contraction of STDs. This is no surprise upon realizing that dating in the West began with 19th century prostitutes and homosexuals to later be normalized for everyone without having to prove its utility. It was never intended as a way for heterosexuals to find long-term partners, and any culture that has implemented it has suffered both lowered marriage and birth rates.
Dating is merely a technique for gaining sex, not relationships. It’s a miracle invention for men who want no-strings attached fun, and I have benefited from it for over 15 years. I almost can’t believe that I can fuck a girl after only knowing her for a couple of hours, all from making a few jokes and maintaining a beautiful beard, but that’s exactly what dating allows. All parties come to an end, however, leaving me and many others of my generation with no partner we love or otherwise happy ending that you see in Pedowood movies, because dating was never designed to help you find life-long partners. It’s a dead-end that explains why so many Western adults in their 30’s have never had a committed monogamous relationship of even a year in length.
I often get emails from both men and women who want marriage but are struggling with the dating scene. Mainstream culture has taught them to essentially become a detached professional negotiator who plays endless psychological games while interacting with 1,000 or more potential partners in the hopes that one will work out. Imagine if you used this soul-crushing strategy with other areas of life.
- Go on 1,000 job interviews to find one good job. There are a lot of jobs in the sea.
- Test drive 100 cars to find the right car for you. Never settle for the car that isn’t perfect.
- Inspect 500 homes to find your dream house. You deserve the absolute best.
Yet this is what we do with dating, and we buy into it because it’s not so bad in the beginning, especially for women. They like being hotly pursued by so many men in the prime of their physical beauty, thinking that they can hold out a few years until Mr. Right appears out of nowhere, but all those suitors just want to fuck and nothing more. Men like myself greatly enjoy the sex rewards that come with dating, but am I really going to marry the woman who slept with me on the first date and who will kiss my son with a mouth that has been gagged on by over a dozen cocks? I rather be single, and apparently, a lot of other men too.
You may be one of the lucky few who got dating to work, likely from meeting someone in your social circle, but for every one success story, there are a dozen people who are failing or will fail in their marriage goals. Simply pull up a map of the world divorce rate and you’ll see a near perfect correlation of divorce with countries that permit widespread dating before marriage. In fact, any country that uses dating as a mechanism of pair bonding will inevitably suffer from cultural collapse, because they have no choice but to allow massive third-world immigration, often from incompatible cultures, to make up for the population shortfall.
When I’m in the mood for easy sex, I’ll date. I’ll approach a girl, spit my game, and bang her no later than the third date, but I’d be a fool to use that strategy to find a wife, because I know that a woman who is open to dating random men has a sexual history that my strict standards simply won’t be able to accept. Since I’m not plugged into a church community or traditional social circle, this means that I’ll be stuck on the more shallow end of relationships with women, an outcome that is not ideal, but one that I’ll accept far more eagerly than using dating as a means to find someone I could be with for the rest of my life.
This article was originally published on Roosh V.
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Rule of thumb: the value of a relationship is generally proportional to its premisses.
There are no reasons for it to last long if it beguins fast.
Perfection is a kid idea. Compatitability needs a lot of work, building trust, sharing real values, being able to cope with each other’s flaws… It takes time, experience, maturity and honnesty to figure it out.
I always saw dating to be a losing proposition.
Say what you will, but I think most men are beta providers at heart. They want love, family, kids a home. To be the Patriarch
Instead, they must join the competition along with predators and bad boys. Be something they are not to gain someone who will not respect them.
The only way to win the dating game, is by losing…..yourself
It may be a necessary experience for some people.
You have to prove yourself as a hunter before before being authorised to marry in ancient societies.
Dating, Gaming,Seducing…whatever the name you gave it to those practice are excellent as long as your are conscious that they are a mean to an end.
To get confidence, an real anderstanding of human interactions. Sex is good. But there are a point when more meaningless pussies gives you nothing.
From that point, you have to choose between a meaninfull celibacy, or a meaningfull relationship.
Neither are easy in todays soceity.
Little Hugger, I’m all about admitting uncomfortable truths, it’s what separates us from animals/leftists, and I have to say, that hit close to home. By seeing all the thumbs up you received, I’m not the only one who thought so either.
I think most of us on this site are good men, who want a nice loving wife, nice beautiful children, a home, in a nice neighborhood, and a stable job. Society has made it near impossible for the average man to acquire those things, things that our ancestors, composed of mostly of average men, had. Even in communist shitholes in Eastern Europe, men still had their decent little family.
Conquistador,
It is just my experience.
I feel as if the majority of men want the same things.
I would rather not be a predator, or user. I don’t want to be cynical and defensive. But neither do I want to be used by my heart, and through all my best impulses.
But toxic feminism, among other things, has destroyed what took ages to build.
Men will still be men, and will work with whatever they have, an adapt. But the system is broken.
I am blessed, in having 4 sons and a good wife. Knowing how bad things are, its a pure miracle.
“I’d define it as a marriage that is maintained for at least 25 years and which results in the birth of at least one child, meaning no catastrophic divorce that harms the upbringing of children.”
Still no good, was divorce raped after 30 years of marriage, never saw my 4 children again, youngest kids were 5 and 7 at the time (15 and 17 now if still alive).
John Dodds, you poor man. Bring it here buddy, I understand the situation you’re in. I fought tooth and nail to try to see my children, she had me under her good graces for a year until I decided FUCK IT, do whatever you want bitch, but I wasn’t about to set a bad example for my children by being a woman’s bitch.
Just not true,
Married a UK Christian virgin after dating 2 years, divorce raped 30 years later.
Married a slutty Thai single mom after dating 1 week, still married 10 years later.
Marriage outcome is completely unpredictable, which is what makes it such a risk to your assets.
But why marry a single mom and take on more headaches ? Single moms are leftovers
Loads of you guys will end up with nothing at all, I’m happy to eat your leftovers. And at 55, I didn’t have many 25 year old Christian virgin volunteers to pick from.
I’d rather be alone than have to attend little Johnny’s high school graduation all because you’re desperate for pussy and these days there’s plenty of single women without kids over 30 . I’d rather rent a woman than change another kids diapers . Why should men fea being alone afte a divorce ? We ar not women
Hammered
Despite having 5 children, I’ve never changed any diapers, that’s a woman’s job. Geez, some of you guys are so whipped! As for kids, I like having kids around, I soon add some of my own to the crowd.
Being whipped is defined as paying for another man’s sperm just to be married to pussy . I don’t care what you claim you still have to go little Johnny from deadbeat dads #1 school functions and spirts . You have to listen to his tantrums about how you’re not the real dad and financially take the responsibility of a kid you didn’t make anf possibly pay child support for when the hamster wheel of said distorted leftover single mom has a shirt circuit . This totally is blue pill and it means you’re a cuck to the bad boy of the worn out pussy because said bad boy had all the fun and you’re holding the bill
Hammered
Step daughter is 19 and at university now, very pretty girl. I don’t mind having her around. (mom had her when she was 15). Been to a few of her school events, once a year ain’t a problem. They don’t have child support where I live anyway.
They don’t have child support? For the love of God man, where do you live?
Married to a single mom slut after 1 week ? Your a desperate cuck and part of the problem . Women can act and whatever they want because they know captain save a hoes like you will save them
HS
I’m guessing you’re single and always will be with no children, another Darwin award winner.
Nope . I was married once And I have a son with MY blood . I’m in my mid 40s and I got a vasectomy. I don’t need to get married again . I usually have 3 month relationships with leftovers and when they want more than being a fuck buddy I drop them . I dated a single mom once and they act like they are a prize . The older kid wanting to bring friends overnight without my permission . The younger one being a spoiled brat . i dropped her because I would have had to put up with losing my freedom and sharing my home with another mans seeds . The other single moms were one night stands . Very satisfying to pump and dump . I don’t have to hang around pretty stepdaughters ( sounds very weird btw) I don’t have to see the same woman the rest of my life and take on her baggage . I can leave and travel without having to consider what the wifey wants to do . I play soccer 3 times per week and drink with friends . I even started but failed at a business . At least I had time to start a business and accomplish goals that I wouldn’t if I had some washed up single mom around me all the time . You’re leaving out a lot of details in regards to what it takes to be married to other guys leftovers
Wait until said step daughter has kids then more visits and overnights with crying babies
Roosh,
Have you ever tried to get plugged in to a church community? Obviously you’re right, the women are almost all chaste women of good character, but life with God is much better than life without God!
Church whores are worse
Lion, the chaste girls of good character which do exist are almost all pre-college. Unless you like the idea of being that guy in his mid-30s who sits on the hood of his Trans-Am waiting for youth group to get out, I suggest you reconsider your hypothesis. Post college single women in the church are almost certainly either not chaste or not of good character. Ask yourself why such prime marriage-able femininity would be single through her mid-20s. That would make no sense. I say this as a guy who has spent his whole life in churches looking for such a chimera. In the spirit of Christ, I ask you to consider God’s word in Ecclesiastes 7:28: “I was searching, but not finding – I found one upright man among a thousand, but not one upright woman among them all.”
Trans am haha i am that guy!
Don’t hate me for this, but why do you guys want high-quality, beautiful, loyal, young and fertile “chaste” women for “relationships” when all you’ve done is just fuck women all your lives, thus have no idea how to treat a woman or sustain a relationship with that kind of woman, and most importantly, when 99% of men today are 1000% incapable of economically supporting a family?
Beautiful, untattooed women who’ve never had abortions don’t marry men who live with their parents and don’t have a steady income. Roosh, looking at you, my man. No offense but it’s the truth and you must consider the cold, hard facts. You might have been able to fuck hot girls as you had a “cute beard” (?) and some game, but as you’re aging and losing your physical attractiveness, coupled with your lack of professional achievements that’s soon going to end. How many hot women did you fuck more than once over the past six months?
As for the others, devil’s advocate here,and I’ve said it before,but us men today engage with whores and invest in ourselves,without thinking about families and kids and responsibilities. I for one know that when I’m 45 and tired of fucking there won’t be any hot girls in their 20s willing to marry me and form a family….unless I either become wealthy or marry a villager whom I’ll have nothing in common with.
Uh, because we have no choice…women control the sexual marketplace, they decide when they want to have a baby or kill it, they decide which man gets rewarded with sex….Men have always been the ones to go out there and compete, “chase” women. Trust me, I tried the whole “nice guy” thing and guess what….I was invisible…meanwhile Tyrone and Chad were fucking every bitch around me. Have you ever heard of the 80/20 rule, it is a pretty good theory that states that a woman’s hypergamy and selfishness always pushes her towards fucking the top 20% of men. So, in other words, as a man in our culture, and with the way women act, you either be a douchbag and at east have fun getting laid, or you be a nice guy and some other dude gets the pussy. A big reason men actually developed the monagamous culture was actually to protect ourselves from female hypergamy. Just read up on Roosh, he was the quite guy with a STEM degree who didn’t get shit from women, so he turned to game and started banging bitches….so whats up? Oh, that’s right, it is all up to men, I guess women should have no responsibility in keeping their OWN legs closed and giving good guys a chance…right? Or wait, maybe your one of those idiots that thinks good guys should just patiently wait for a whore to finish her cock riding, and then the good guy can take care of her, listen to all her bullshit, pay for her shit, deal with her problems, and then get divorced raped….that is what you expect of men, right?
There is no other creature on earth more hypocritical, more selfish, more narcissistic, and more pathetic than a young woman.
The problem here is that women want a fairy tail without the plot. roosh is an example, he was a STEAM guy, no pussy, became a stupid DJ, lots of pussy. Now those girls thst roosh fucked are looking for MR right, a guy with a carrer in some STEAM project. Its true that men dont have to be so demanding, we all have flaws, but women are the worst in this respect.
Good question. Alot of the overdoze red pilled “alphas” here appear pretty beta to me. All this frustration… The LTR, chaste woman and marriage thing seems to be noise from other, conservative parts of the “manosphere” into the PUA-culture. It is completely lacking of any sociological insight into how the modern society came to be and what sustains it.
Just my 2 cents
Because it is drilled into a girls head from practically birth that marriage isn’t supposed to come until a minimum age of 25. Before that, she is supposed to have fun and find herself. And women tend to go along with social pressure. Many today would be accepting of a 20 year old girl being a single mom impregnated by a same age corner drug dealer. But what would public opinion be if she wanted to marry a gainfully employed 30, 35 year old tax paying man? We both know the answer and it wouldn’t be as favorable as the first scenario.
The fact that “dating” or “getting married” exists at all in this current society is indicative of how far humanity has lost its way the past 200 years of rapid technological innovations and formation of modern globalist society. Back when tribalism was the society of the day people had mutually protective interests and survivability reason for deep trusting relationships, but in this sewer of globalist instant hive minded connectivity, the self ego and narcissism overrides everything else including compassion and caring.
What you get is what the current society is. Dangerously mentally ill self serving self interested gratification and NOTHING else.
you can hate me to the end for saying it, but you cannot escape the dark reality of what I just said.
Dating or marriage minded today? Wonder why the climate is so hostile to those outdated and outmoded ideas….The answer is easy (not palatable at all either) to see. Talk a bout a bitter RED PILL.
More black pill than red.
Dating and marriage or LTR is predicated on the following;
Mutually beneficial goals and aspirations (forward thinking dreams and goals)
Mutually beneficial support systems and protection (forward thinking survival and provisions for food shelter and water)
Mutually beneficial procreation / genetic preservation through natural biological replication
Mutually supporting emotional needs and values that foster kindness caring and compassion to each other.
What does society lack these days? All of the above. now you know why dating and LTR seeking fails in this modern age.
The bigger mind screwing problem is, How to fix it if you cannot fix the society programming that is going the opposite self destructive direction.
LOL! Right on, Deplorable.
“…dating was never designed to help you find life-long partners. It’s a dead-end that explains why so many Western adults in their 30’s have never had a committed monogamous relationship of even a year in length.”
I don’t agree with this at all Roosh. This method of finding a lifetime partner worked fine in the 20th century. Back in the 80s when I was growing up, women still loved the idea of finding their perfect man. It wasn’t like it was now where they just want sex with a new guy every week so the can make believe they’re Carrie Bradshaw.
Some of you probably think women were always this slutty out in public, but that’s just not the case. Public shaming of women who tramped around town was actually quite effective and it prevented women from doing that on a regular basis. In addition to that, the dream sold to single women through TV and films was to find a husband and marry. And just like today, women copied what they saw in their favorite show or movie when it came to their own social life. This meant restricting sex with a man until at least after the 3rd date and sometimes much longer. They only used sex to get the long term relationship or marriage which is what they really wanted from the man.
Nowadays of course, times have changed. Certain leftist political movements are behind the idea of pushing women to be single, not to procreate, and certainly not to get married. Sex with a different partner every weekend has been normalized and the stigma removed. Women have been sold on this belief for over 20 years now and men can see the results of this catastrophe when they step outside the house and try to court these women who no longer want to be courted.
If we could just bring back the shaming and stop encouraging women to be slutty, all would return to normal and women would go back to wanting to find a husband like they used to.
Part of me still believes that is a large chunk of women out there who are indeed waiting for mister perfect and have not yet allowed half a dozen penises to enter their mouths. I think most young women have fantasies about meeting their soulmate and that won’t change, it’s innate. The older, more senile women who have had nasty divorces or who have never been married are more the type to spew nonsense about “independent” and “liberated” women propaganda. I think even the sluttiest women envy what LTR’s have.
Uh, ya, sure…a woman would love Mr. Perfect to marry and serve her…but in the meantime most women are whoring it up. Plus, you have to be Mr. Perfect…tall, handsome, rich, funny, caring, strong…even the landwhales think they deserve this.
@Wes
I think you missed my point: there are girls out there currently waiting NOT putting half a different penises in their mouths. To assume “most women” are whoring up is a gross over estimation.
Did you say half a dozen? I LOLd
Sorry J.T. and fellow ROK readers, open your mind to statistical facts. Women now, have less sexual partners than their parents. And those parents have less sexual partners than their grandparents. Just because porn is everywhere, the opposite is the illusion. This just means women are good at hiding sluttiness. Now they are proud sluts. (And yes, just as there are those few guys who women drool over upon sight, there are a few girls who do the whole football team). So shaming women just makes them go back to doing what they do best; a facade.
Link?
Google: number of sexual partners by generation
Some even added 18+% of error due to lying. We can assume men adding and women lowering lol
Good to see you have some Japanese readers
to be honest i noticed that also at uni that most girls didnt get laid once in the the three years though that was in the uk.
i think there are some men and women who are masssive sluts and use tinder and colour the groups. I have met some of these chicks also who have been with over a hundred guys. problem for dudes like roosh is these good chicks are meticulous in not dating guys who have slept around and this whole pua community passes these chicks bye as they are the ones they don’t get.
Porn is taking over.
Horseshit…what is happening now is that a handfull of people are having FUCKLOADS of sex, while most other people are not…and to add to that people are fat as fuck today and are having no sex at all. Most women were virgins back in the day, and there is no statistic of “sexual” partners that have any credibility…especially from back in the day…that is horseshit…just more pseudoscience to promote a myth for ideological purposes.
You have a point. the issue i also have with social science is that its argument based not some reveal of indisputable facts and when you have to be left wing to get phds and mscs and teach a leftist course in a leftist feminist department you only look for these leftist fgures with leftist named “research groups” you will always make an argument that goes in the leftist direction and igmore the counter argument.
It is such a con calling it a science I think that that is only to give their ditzy ideas more kudos, or that was some original hope. it just meand that they have some idea and you cannot dispute it since they are “scientists” with a researh paper jumping on the credibility of newton and einstein. its like 99 scientists doing studies that they hope will prove the benefits to immigration and one dude said something against it and no longer has any job that he even proposed a study the other way mean he is black listed. and you get 99 research papers either ditched for no evidence and ten for immigration . If 99 researchers were aiming studies the other way ( doesn’t happen ) they surely would have argued the counter-case and perhaps it would even be stronger but thats effectively not allowed. Everything tries to call itself a science just for Cred even “christian science”. If the science impinges on politics ( maths nobody cares the results politically ) then the thing is not going to be a csince since humans cannot be neutral.
social scientists are con men and social science is a con far that is far worse than religeon.
effectively they make it that when there are arguments but the rigmarole of their set requirements in terms of sample sizes ect only an academic would know and thus the truths they observe are only the ones they desired to be shown. However strong your argument against them you cannot make them since you won’t understand the exact reason to do a chai squared distribution in the study so won’t be able to do it and nobody outside of one them can get in a journal outside of their dim department of leftist group-shit which gets all the results they desire to back the leftist public policy they adore.
The truth is if you swapped all the department faculty and budgets for tradcons or any other ideologes “the truth” would suddenly be theirs “scientifically” and thus indisputably.
They are lying.
Marriage won’t work in Western Society unless mainstream Christianity is restored.
The Church was the main protector of patriarchal family. That’s basically second most important function of it after fighting the sins (old animal instincts). The Church lost its influence once the civilization got more advanced, so a family unit became fully matriarchal.
When level of life is high women take control and society dies. This is a biological process. Church used to successfully fight it in past.
Christianity and especially protestantism is dying in the evolution of religions since it loses customers to atheism too easily. Islam will likely dominate and in the super long run if you do the maths haredi judaism will as they are growing at a heluva pace and thus they will win in the super long run as they have much better multiple. Remebeer if they increase by ten times every 30 years they will eventually dominate unless somebody else comes along. Yes they are small now but there were hardly any africans when my grandmother was born and in 500 years they will RUN TINGS
Marriage won’t work in any society where women are allowed to asset strip their husbands and move on. Marriage also won’t work in any society that is designed to pay single mothers welfare. Most women are too naturally lazy to do anything, if given an easier option.
Anyone who thinks marriage is mandatory and anyone who doesnt marry is a loser, which there are many especially among Americans because Americans are fucking retarded — fact not insult — is a retarded American, and must be executed.
Amnyone who thinks MGTOW philosophy is stupid is FACTUALLY STUPID while MGTOW isnt.
ONLY FACTS EXIST.
FACTS ARE WHAT I SAY THEY ARE.
FUCKING RETARDS.
I ALWAYS BELIEVE IN MYSELF, AND I NEVER, EVER, BELIEVE IN ANOTHER! fucking retards! I DO NOT BELIEVE YOU, I BELIEVE ME, RETARDS!
Whoever isnt an individualist is an inferior retarded Last Man. RETARDS!
“I don’t believe in magic
I don’t believe in I-Ching
I don’t believe in Bible
I don’t believe in tarot
I don’t believe in Hitler
I don’t believe in Jesus
I don’t believe in Kennedy
I don’t believe in Buddha
I don’t believe in mantra
I don’t believe in Gita
I don’t believe in yoga
I don’t believe in kings
I don’t believe in Elvis
I don’t believe in Zimmerman
I don’t believe in Beatles
I just believe in me
Yoko and me
And that’s reality”
-God, John Lennon
uh oh MGTOW alert
SJW alert…..actually.
MGTOW has a stupid sounding un-aesthetic name (only retrded americans think all acronyms are cool) but the philosophy is simply common sense.
A loser is a person who stresses himself out in order to find a girlfriend or mate. PUA are the epitome of losers. Anyone disagreeing is a loser.
Fact never opinion; never has been, never will be an opinion. Always will be fact.
A fact is what I decide is so while you dont get it is a fact, retard.
MOST EVERYONE IS A RETARD. YOU READING ARE A FUCKING RETARD.
DIE, RETARD. Die.
I would say the person who fails to have children is a failure. The Amish man with 10 children and 100 grandchildren is the winner.
You’re free to think that, but only on a subjective level, some are completely fine with never procreating. Some lend their lives to an art, a science, or the love of life itself and die with a smile on their face as they cross the horizon into the unknown.
You can say that they’re wrong, but you’ll be screaming at the air.
From a Darwinian perspective they are a failure: components of the genetic makeup do not survive.
Even Tesla- that crazy, pigeon-loving goober- regretted not going after girls.
Because when you’re old and retired you realize that you have nothing and no one. It is a sobering thought, and one not many hot-blooded young folks can consider.
Ethan Allan
Being old and retired doesn’t mean (as a man) that you can’t have children. Plenty of young women prepared to reproduce with retired men.
According to darwin, the goal of life is to live long enough to reproduce.
If thats the game, then India is winning.
thats the game BUT electronic life eventually be life in a different form and superceed human life and Who is biulding that? Technology is improving at a scary rate; i mean turing could conceivably still live had he not killed himself imagine in only a thousand generations where it will be? I mean from first life to modern human life to now took how many billion years? and tech is only 60 and science largely 200-300 years old and AI is growing at a crazy rate imagine it in only 2,000 years?
Meh.
I’d rather just bang hot young girls.
I agree with the author that dating, particularly in today’s climate, is not a suitable method for finding a life partner.
However, I think there is a nuance that may have overlooked.
Dating existed for much of the 20th century in the United States, but divorce rates only started to climb once women started actively seeking careers, which really started in the late 1960s to early 1970s. Once women started entering the workforce in large numbers, the economic basis for stable marriage was shattered.
The rest follows quite naturally from there, with the insane degradation we are witnessing today.
I would hesitate to call what we have today dating. It’s more like animals fucking in the wild then anything related to the civilized act of evaluating a women as a future life partner.
Roosh is going MGTOW
Never go full MGTOW
“Maintaining a beautiful beard”
I’ll wait for this post to comment.
Roosh,
I believe you are correct about dating does not work in America.
I am Orthodox, and I started narrowing my search to only Orthodox women.
I believe that in order to find a good mate you will need to search in some of the traditional churches that still push good family values. The Orthodox church is one of those churches. You cannot go into these feminized churches in America and think you will find the right woman because many of them have gone to preaching to women and have given in to politically correct junk. Search out the few remaining traditional churches, and you will be fine.
Good article. Unfortunately it’s true.
I stopped dating too in the time I was doing quantity for a while (Tinder, inner circle, etc). It costs a lot, you drink and eat too much and there is too much pressure involved.
I switched to asking girls out for a coffee in the supermarket. I’d get two responses on both sides of the spectrum, 1) what the f? These girls are either golddiggers or have no sense of humor or 2) a outspoken yes and a very much interesting conversation. I mean when you want to to live together later you have to sort of go do groceries anyways. It tells you a lot about a person, doesn’t waste any precious time and gives interesting conversation anyway. And then when it was fun offered to cook together original something, took her home, first through carwash for 2 minutes of making out in the dark and then I was set for the rest of the night.
Yup, that is a fine strategy. Avoid the expensive fancy stuff, do very simple things. And also treat it like an old fashioned courtship. Ask her directly, what is she looking for. Is she looking for a partner for life? How long does she plan to look, at what point will she decide. You will weed out more of the noise this way, and the girl who receives your questions well is more likely to be a keeper.
This is assuming of course that you are actually for a keeper and to be a keeper. If it may be asked, what is the endgame for you Tijs? Have you settled down with one of these shopping companions you met?
Okay this whole article is talking about what doesn’t work.
So now TALK ABOUT WHAT WILL AND DOES WORK.
Can’t have one without the other.
Also Roosh deep down doesn’t want to get married and have children. If he did he would be married with kids now.
Quote from Midnight in Paris:
“It’s the artist’s job not to succumb to despair but to find an antidote to the emptiness of existence. I find your voice clear and lively – don’t be such a defeatist.”
roosh oozin defeatism in this article. not that i blame him — im a defeatist abt this subject 9/10 days. how the hell are u supposed to find someone to marry and have kids w in this climate?
still, like the quote above says, dont succumb, but rather find an antidote to the void. i dont have an answer now, but i estimate it has to do something w/
1) meeting a girl organically (not from an app)
2) make sure shes never used an app in the first place
3) no city girls .. they all succumb to the decadence
yea fuckin right.
hebetian,
Hmm… Good point. I think the answer or antidote might look something like this:
Be the difference.
🙂
Nothing works because, as Roosh said, people expect to find the perfect partner, specially women (it doesnt matter if they are fat, obnoxious, or just not intelligent, they, thanks to feminism, feel entitled to everything). And it wont change until men, as a collective, starts to call the hypocresy of modern society, specially from women. Ive seen it so many times, with so many men. And one of the biggest factors is, you guess it, facebook. When women are in their primes lots of guys want easy sex with them,so they seek easy sex, they find it, and after that they bumped her. So because women receive so many attention from thirsty betas, and also from guys who want easy sex, they feel entitled. http://nattyornot.com/how-feminism-and-social-media-destroyed-the-natural-male/ truth seeker knows whats going on. Also women are blind to any sacrifice you do for them. Ive seen women mocking steroid users, and cheating on theyre steroid users boyfriends! somebody ticlkle their vagina in the perfect moment. (steroids are more common than one thinks of).
As that article says Don’t think for a second that some woman turned on by your muscles is capable of appreciating or understanding the work required to sculpt a high-end physique. She thinks you got there by playing on the monkey bars while drinking beer with your buddies. And thats true of any endeaveor that you do. You became a rich enginerring? You got there by playing computer games with your geeky friends. Women want a fairy tale without doing anything at all from their part because “I deserve it because I have a vagina, and pathriarcy”.
Long-term monogamy doesn’t work, that’s why a lot of marriages or long-term relationships fail and those who remain together or married are often unhappy.
Do you want to be happy long-term?
All I can say is this: http://www.blackdragonblog.com
Good website. Thanks for that.
BY THE TIME YOU GET TO KNOW THE PERSON, SHE IS TOO OLD TO MARRY OR HAVE KIDS.
This is a great article and I agree with it.
The ancient system of arranged marriage was better.
Looking at all the garbage men (such as blacks) pretty women end up with, that I see in the stores, proves that women DO NOT KNOW who is right for them.
Also, by the time 2 people get to know each other, which takes years, both get old.
Marrying early is important as a woman’s fertility peaks in the early 20’s. By age 30, 90% of a woman’s eggs are gone. A man who has children after 30 also gets subfertility and more likely to have daughters, who are more likely to be liberal and turn to mudsharking.
DATING = WHITE EXTINCTION.
Very few Blacks end up with pretty White women.
“A man who has children after 30 also gets subfertility and more likely to have daughters, who are more likely to be liberal and turn to mudsharking.”
I’ve fathered 4 boys since reaching age 30, last one when I was 56. Calling BS on your theory.
OLDER PARENTS = MORE DAUGHTERS.
Either you are bluffing or you are extremely lucky.
BTW, it is not my theory, but a proven fact:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-scientific-fundamentalist/201104/why-are-older-parents-more-likely-have-daughters
I had boys at age 32,41,43 and 56 (different mom).
My only daughter appeared when I was 30.
Why is a biology study published on a psychology site?
Doesn’t seem like it’s reliable.
Also the charts show ‘age at first child’ which is not relevant to your claims at all.
No dating till they repeal the 19th Amendment.
Forget about No Hymen, No Diamond.
They owe ME a huge dowry because
I’m the one taking the chains off
the parents’ necks. You pay ME
Fuck you, hypocrite.
First, you teach men tactics to trick and blackmail sex out of women by any means possible.
Then you complain that the sexual market you and people like you have created is shallow and provides no long time happiness.
Classical case of reaping what you sow.
You deserve a very lonely and painful death, and most certainly you will have it.
Fuck you.
Forgive yourself your past. Forgive a woman her past. Choose wisely. Ensure she’s not an ‘alpha widow’ – fuck her better than any man has or will. Make the thought of losing access to your cock a cause for despair. Aim for a well educated woman in a useful career, who likes babies, and is not a High Testosterone ball breaker over achiever. Screen for gentleness and introversion.
Brilliant piece, and very insightful. Reminds me of a small paperback that I once discovered in my local library, titled “Why men marry some women and not others”. The conclusion was that most women do not end up married because they do not make marriage their main priority.
Most women hate the dating scene because it is effectively a “meat market” where those girls who will put out (“sluts”, if you will) are getting all the attention, and those “Good girls” (so to speak) who desire marriage are ignored because “men want it right now”. The irony of feminism is that while it has freed women from men, it has also freed men from marriage. Action, meet untended consequence…
The counterpoint to that is that many women tend to delay their husband-hunting until the bloom has left the rose, and then blame men for not giving them what they want, when they want it. Ladies, if you are serious about marriage, start when you are young; thirtysomething is too late. And once you have made your decision, drop your single/divorced friends like a bad habit, and quit shopping around. Hypergamy should die at the altar.
Finally: No, not every woman is marriage material. They were rare 3000 years ago, and that has not changed.
It occurs to me that this is a great piece to direct manosphere naysayers and Roosh-haters (yes folks, there are a few out there).
Hmm… I’m not sure where most of you men are from, but I’m certainly seeing different around my communities. Then again, I hang out with really good women, so am not exposed to a lot of what you guys are talking about. I really don’t see it. Which leads me to believe that it’s quite possible that the women the men are sleeping around with, are in fact, the same few women! Lol.
Pretty much almost every single woman I’ve known values marriage and men and is celibate, but never found a good man around here where a lot of the men would prefer other men which influences the culture, so we choose to stay single instead of settling, though we are all pursued often. And no, I actually see the men around here being the ones looking for perfection, not the women. I do agree with one poster though on the fact that we are entering the idea of relationships coming in with too much entitlement, wanting more and more and more from another human being, whereas in the past, a couple would be content with much less. Media I’m sure has influenced this strongly, which tells us to want more and more and more.
“Pretty much almost every single woman I’ve known values marriage and men and is celibate”
So I’m curious, what is the weather like on Saturn? I’ve never been there but I would like to know if you want to share… and do unicorns run freely or are they tame?
This post completely leaves out the fact that the welfare state rewards women for being bad spouses, sleeping around, and having kids out of wedlock. It also provides a safety net for men to make bastards and run off.
Ergo it’s not that dating is bad. It’s that the welfare state/divorce courts promote divorce, bastards, and low standards for sexual partners.
Market forces would keep dating based marriages alive is the market was allowed to punish poor decisions.
the welfare state is the enemy of the family but the prroblem is that even sweden has a society now thats not homogenous and many people will ever be married and thus you would end up with riots and favellas underclass.
i personally think women got equality in mens sphere the workplace why not give men equality in terms of “rights of the newborn” which women retained 100% legally. we gave up most our roles but they legally kept all the rights as mother with rights of newborns.
if men could take the newborn home 50% of the time not .000001% of the time and it was done on a flip which is at least fair a) women would look for better men
rather than thugs as they want now in socialist states hence in a generation we’ll be a thug society hell this guy may actully raise the thing and b) men will get equal custody, child support, social housing, alimony as they will have had the baby ad thus be entitled rather than now.
if the women gets the baby then obviously she;ll have the bond and thus get custody. the women never gave up their rights around motherhood where we gave up all of our traditional roles. women would want nice guys again maybe!! i think feminism and their “equality” would oppose this worse than they ever opposed anything. currently only a few super rich like ronaldo get the baby and elton jonh and it costs millions. women would desert feminism if they actually had to have equal rights rather than merely take our natural role away and keep theirs. if men don’t want to raise it they wouldnt have to.
in single parents babies are the property of the woman by law in all countries. tHATS GYNOCENTRISM.!!!!
75% of men may not take the option but i think many will. but like women in the workplace more would take it and prosper within that system than naysayer women would beleive. they can visit once a week for 2 hours after work and it will call somebody else mommy and they will not get social housing and will pay for it.
Happily married…
Western = None
Eastern = Many
I fight with my Eastern woman once a month where I’m the man hence I have the overall outcome on a matter like a boss. Equality is bullshit cause you can’t have 2 bosses doing the same job cause you will fight all the time (Western).
north east asians can be great but often nive westerners get the used up gajin hunters who are not the best so be careful.
Good column and very true.
As I have stated here many times, arranged marriages and polygamy are the way to go.Get your first wife at 18 (she would be 14 or so) at the courtesy of your father, and then every 10 – 15 years, get another equally young wife as our finances allow.
I think you should go visit with “AnonymouseChasteLady” a little further up the comments section. Because you are very proximally close to her in your grip on reality. Maybe you are on Titan instead of Saturn? Or are you all neighbors on the ringed planet?
@Roosh V
” Since I’m not plugged into a church community…”
Churches condone frivolous divorce and remarriage. Cohabitation is common among church members. Churches in America are completely apostate. You need to read Dalrock’s blog.
Also feminism is a core tenet of almost all churches. The beliefs of American churches can be summarized by this list from a mow defunct blog:
1)The belief that feminist depictions of women’s nature and situations are true.
2) The belief that traditional male attitudes, especially those regarding sex, are inherently immoral.
3) The belief that what the world needs is more warm-fuzzies, not moral leadership.
4) The belief that approval from secular society is necessary or important.
I would say that every Church has been subverted, but then Christianity was just a ploy to subvert healthy European paganism. So not sure if you can subvert a subverter.
K
Desi girls and Latina girls are the hottest with their tan skin, long black hair, and curvy figures.
Mystery meat that would de-evolve any European genes by about 200,000 years of evolutionary fitness… pass.
Marriage would work and marriage would be easy to obtain if welfare were eliminated and affirmative action/EEO laws were eliminated. Women have been separated from men by the globalists by stealing money from men via taxes and allowing for marxist whore females to reproduce without a husband. The “20-something” “career girl” can now have her guaranteed affirmative action office job making as much or more than men so she can go live in her apartment or small home with her dog and sit back and screen men on Tinder for the next 15 years looking for brad pitt. No rush for her to get married, she has a guaranteed income through “office work”.
It has gotten to the point where it will take divine intervention for men’s natural God given rights to be restored. The entire global economic system will need to be destroyed, that’s for sure. Then, welfare and affirmative action cannot be financed any longer. Men can take back society, force women out of their overpaid fake “do nothing” jobs, and make it a patriarch society once again. Women will be chasing men and begging for marriage so they can have a roof over their heads. And if they don’t respect and obey the husband, then they’ll be thrown out into the street. There will be no child support or divorce maintenance.
Im convinced that I can have a great time banging different women until Im in my late fifties.
But When I meet men in their 60s with no passion or family, it makes me think there IS a benefit to having kids. It prevents loneliness and meaninglessness.
BUT, todays kids dont give two fucks about their parents anyway. My sisters never call our parents, and I moved far away for work, so now they are lonely, bored and feel defeated by life anyway.
So theres a slim chance your wife wont leave you, make you miserable, or bare you spoiled children who hate you for no reason.
PUA for the win.
Why not PUA and also look for a quality woman to marry? It sounds like you have decades to do both, so why not? A lot of the people raising children nowadays are bad quality, so the kids are brats too. Doesn’t mean it has to be your family.
I don’t know man…I just started ‘dating’ a 32 year old virgin that is an elementary school teacher. She’s never been drunk, never traveled outside the US, never even handled a penis. She doesn’t seem to be crazy but is rather the most risk averse person I’ve ever met. She hasn’t dated more than 2 guys and never been in an LTR (she states because she is picky). Got set up with her on a blind date from a buddy of mine with kids in the same school where she teaches. She’s a 7/10, 118lbs, small breasts so wouldn’t wow anybody. We haven’t boned but I’ve already seriously entertained the idea banging a couple of side chicks from before we met. She is very interested in having a family, is frugal with her money, caring, and I would bet that she would be very faithful in the long run. I worry that I could never be faithful to her.
Futureman,
She’ll bang you a couple of times after you marry, chuck out a couple of kids (if she’s even fertile), then she’ll never have sex with you again. She’s already demonstrated a low sex drive, don’t be a mug.
appreciate the advice, thanks
My thoughts: my biggest worry is that she is a school teacher. In addition to being mediocre at most things I bet she is flat out afraid of life and needs to grab control and hold on. She may be superficially sweet, but I think you may well be dealing with a serious manipulator and maybe an outright liar. Marrying her without having had enough sex to at least find out if she might like it is like buying a pig in a poke. Buyer beware.
would def agree that she is afraid of life, and would never marry without banging many times over. Thanks for sharing your two cents
If you find her personality boring, don’t marry her. Otherwise, if you like her, give her a chance. It’s not like you’re going to make a decision to marry someone overnight anyway, and I don’t see why you’d have to be in an exclusive relationship. What harm can it do to get to know someone?
I think you are bang on its also something that shows you shouldnt have sex before marriage because then you get the goods without paying and after a while men realize they can eat at every restaurant free why pay? it sort of always will regress to this level and when the first gen post no prematiral sex did it they were hardly promiscous but every few years it just got worse and worse and worse and 50 years later we live in sodom since norms slipped and slipped. Slippery slopes are major regardless of wether the intellectual british left denies they exist with a passion.
The thing is each generation allowed their children and the norms to slip that much more. where next? gangbangs to replace school proms? Shit i reckon it will go further.
i want to talk to the person who downvoted your post. if it was “a chate lady” i dont want to talk.
once again Rosh ‘nails it’. I’m 56 years old and have quit dating’ by choice. heres something I used to ask people (try it yourselves lol) I would ask ‘what percent of couples (that you know well enough to honestly assess ) are ‘happy’ in their relationship”? the answer ALWAYS ranges from 15% to 30% (age group made no difference). also then consider the concept of the ‘conscious relationship’ (that the one where 2 people are simply plugged into each other in a good way. its the relationship that almost everyone has wanted at one time in their life. research on the ‘conscious relationship ‘ indicates about 10 to 15% of couples are in that category (ive known a few-but they are rare)..in closing not only do] statistics paint a grim picture but also if 10-15 % fall into the ‘ideal relationship category’ then statistically that is ‘abnormal’..therefore an ‘unhappy relationship’ would in fact be the ‘ average’ (or ‘normal)’ lol
I like that, billj… the “consious relationship”… good stuff, thanks.
Alright, this is a fun one! Excuse me gentlemen, while a lady chimes in… 😉
An awesome man friend just sent me this because I’m always saying DATING DOESN’T WORK! Or more so, “the world’s style of dating doesn’t work” and have been warning my friends for quite some time who are people known to have deep character and integrity, but still fell for our dumb culture’s lies and are finding out the hard way.
First off, you don’t have to believe me and I don’t like tooting my own horn, but I am a gorgeous woman that just turned 40, appear to be in my late twenties since I take good care of myself, have done some modeling and acting, but have been too busy serving our country… do not have sex… do not date and have never dated the men I work with and plan to keep it that way…. have never performed oral sex but am really looking forward to it when and if God should ever find a man good enough for me and it will happen AFTER our wedding day and possibly quite repeatedly thereafter as I intend to always reward my man for being a good man and am really looking forward to it… I am a woman of depth, character, honor and humility and require the same, but have never found it in a man who felt right so never married and never had children, though clearly have a body built for child-rearing and breast-feeding. I am not going to settle regardless of what is happening in our culture, so am prepared to face this life alone, as much as I desire a family and feel most alive when I am supporting and encouraging a man, as well as nurturing children, and am very soft and feminine in nature, though fierce in standing for what is right and true, especially when it comes to protecting others and would easily lay down my life, which are good traits to look for in a life partner you want to grow a family with. I’d be the first to say I’m not perfect and beauty is in the eye of the beholder but have been called stunning and gorgeous and even more beautiful on the inside. My only point to tell you that is so you know I am not single just because I am a prude or am horribly unattractive. Part of me doesn’t want to date simply because I don’t feel it’s safe for me because even good men can’t keep their hands off me, even if they show up for the date wanting to! I’m all for the culture of fathers that grill a young man that wants to spend time with his daughter and is waiting there with a shot gun if he brings her home late, lol. 😉 Forgive me if I sound unladylike, but I have learned that men tend to understand directness more clearly, as I would soften my tone with women and not be so blunt. I am single because I have zero interest in dating for sport… I do not want a boyfriend and think the idea is a ridiculous notion that we made up on our own, and do not want to be with someone out of convenience but out of love, as convenient as it may be when I’ve had wealthy men offer to provide everything for me that I need and my medical bills are sitting there unpaid. No… I am a person of integrity. Yes, we’re out here. But you won’t find us at your local bar or on tinder. You must look closer. You must look deeper. You must look at… the HEART, or you will not see her. And the only way to do that is… to open yours.
If she is beautiful on the outside and you don’t have a handle on your lust, as the scriptures say a man who rules himself is greater than he who can take a whole city… then you will not see her… you will only see a piece of meat, and may miss the greatest woman God had for you.
Ooooh…. opening your heart is real scary stuff for a man, I know. 😉 Especially in this heartless culture. Yes, I do believe we are living in the most heart-killing culture that has ever existed in the history of the world. That can be a whole blog in and of itself. But keep that in your back pocket as we discuss our styles of relating – ooooh – that’s a whole ‘nother topic too! 😉
Now that we got those things out of the way so you know that we’re still out there (chaste women waiting for the right man and fighting to save themselves while men all around push to take like packs of ravenous wolves – I stay indoors a lot 😉 and living in the middle of HOLLYWOOD no less, where I am certain is the most difficult city to find a life partner in… allow me to add some deeper thought onto why today’s style of dating does not work…
Obviously, I am a follower of Christ and and is the root of which my character, beliefs, and behavior are driven – I answer to Him, not man, and certainly not our twisted culture. While what fuels your beliefs may be different, allow me to kindly and respectfully tell you that the deepest reason dating doesn’t work is because it is NOT God’s ways for man and woman. There is no such thing as dating in the Bible. In fact, if you persuaded a woman to have sex with you, you were expected to marry her for the rest of your life and forfeit your right to ever divorce her and pay her family a very large sum for what you had done. This was a very kind punishment. If your persuasion became too physically forceful – you were stoned to death. The ancient, Jewish, God-influenced laws given through Moses in Deuteronomy were very serious about the way a woman is treated and no woman was ever to be touched without marrying – no woman. Eve was not designed that way… and you know what? Nor was Adam and his sons after him. After a man gives into the lies of this world that keep telling him more and more and more women are going to make you feel great and he chases that lie… He then even finds for himself that it not only didn’t satisfy… but he is more empty than ever, because even his own soul was not created for it. The Bible expresses marriage more clearly to be the woman you have sex with, not so much the one you want to fall in love with, believe it or not. So if you’ve had sex with 30 women, in the eyes of spiritual law, you have 30 wives that you tied your soul to, as sexual intimacy creates a soul tie, as God intended it to. It was meant for beauty, and to be a permanent bond unto death.
Since I am new here, allow me to send this for now to make sure I’m able to post, and then we can continue our discussion… great topic, by the way, Sir, thank you for bringing it up!…
“….. but I am a gorgeous woman that just turned 40”
So probably already infertile, explain again what use you would be to a man apart from being a hole to cum in?
… Ok, so to continue… Please know that in my previous post I am not bringing up Old Testament law to shame anyone. No, that is not my heart here. I am a follower of Christ because I am the one that needs saving. You may be perfect and in no need of a Savior, but I am certainly in need! 😉
With that said, I always ask myself… “what was God’s heart with this law?” And as I said before, it was to protect women from what is happening today, as well as to protect commitment, and many other good stuff that, for the most part, actually worked. If you don’t believe me that spiritual law is serious about the protection of women, just look at the regions of the world with the most suffering. They tend to be the ones that have inflicted harm, not honor and protection on their women. Eve was the crown of all creation, coming out of Adam’s ribs, and by his side, she must return. This is much deeper than some Sunday school story about an apple that you heard as a kid. In fact, God is still revealing depths of insight into the book of Genesis till this day for me, and what happened that day in the Garden. And whether you want to like what I’m about to say or not, you have the freedom to take it or leave it, but remember that I am a Truth Seeker so this is coming from someone that spends her life seeking Truth… The whole intention for marriage was not for our happiness per se, but to be a picture of Christ’s love for His Bride – the Church (no, not the building as we mistakenly call it, but the people).
And just how did Christ love the Church, you ask?
He died for her, my dear Gentlemen. The picture of man and woman is to be the playing out of a daily dying to oneself, helping us to become more like Him. While many men can easily lay down their physical life – and I love that about men – there are things much deeper and harder for some men that don’t become apparent until he meets that “one”… And “dying” to one’s Pride, Arrogance, and Self-Seeking ways is so much harder for some. If he isn’t willing to do it when she comes into his life, he may lose what was a good gift from God. And if our culture continues to pursue relationships based on what they can GET instead of what they can GIVE as God intended, then they may never find true joy and “life to the full” as Jesus said He came to give. “Wide is the gate that leads to destruction”, He says, and that many will enter, unfortunately… “but narrow is the path that leads to Life…. and there are few who will find it.” (book of Matthew, Chapter 7, verses 13-14).
I’m not here to preach at you, dear readers, just simply share knowledge I have gained over the years if it may deepen your viewpoint, or just get you thinking. Yes, the beauty of marriage is that it demands a selflessness that if we will submit to it and lay down our lives, our needs, our wants, and our need to be right for the sake of another… we actually become greater in the Spirit realm. There is more to that but I would then have to break down the meaning of life and I know this is already a lot of detail for some. 😉 But I have certainly hinted at it, so would encourage you to find that path for yourself. God said through Jeremiah as recorded in Ch. 6, verse 16: “Go.. stand at the crossroads and look around… Ask for directions to the Old Road, the tried-and-true road. Then TAKE IT. Discover the right route for your soul.”
The interesting thing about marriage is that it only works if BOTH partners are investing in it. If one gives up, then they suffer too, because they also lose the marriage.
It is my heart for this generation that our men would be encouraged to rise up as the great leaders, husbands, fathers, and protectors God has always intended them to be. But to become great in God’s Kingdom, one must learn to become less if he is to be entrusted with power. This is the path to the beginning of True Spiritual Warriorship.
As you can see, if you are reading with an open mind AND heart (or you will not see, remember? 😉 it would be very hard to deeply understand the power of relationship until we are in relationship with the One who created it. 🙂
So as my points relate to this topic… We are so far from being wired for what we call “dating” today. “Courting”, I think if done properly, can work, and I have heard of amazing love stories of courtship that lead to good marriages, but God was always at the center of them. And 2 components that are necessary for that are going to be that open heart that I mentioned, and a conviction to not pursue relationship as a man unless he is ready and willing to offer himself in marriage. Without that, people are going to get deeply hurt. Sadly, it tends to be women who are hurt the most in today’s style of dating because we are so wired for relationship. If Woman is here to show Man anything on this earth other than God’s beauty, it is His heart for relationship with us. So every time a woman opens her heart (or even her body) to a man and he leaves, great devastation comes to her soul that is ripped apart when he leaves, and is why you see what would appear to be very “strong” women crumble, the man calling her “crazy” as she becomes grasping, or”drama”, or whatever words people use nowadays to excuse themselves and blame-shift on others the harm they cause at the core of one’s identity (I’m certain that’s none of you here, of course ;)… because the deepest design that God created her for at the deepest core of her soul and identity, just took a knife through her heart – the core of a human being, causing trauma to her soul that some never heal from. So what is Eve to do when Adam leaves? She may bravely pick herself up and try again, only to watch another man leave, and another man leave, and another, and another, and another… as today’s American woman has experienced by the time she’s 30, which God never intended her to feel her whole life. Her body, soul, psyche, and even hormones are only designed for commitment and to know only one man her whole life. And in defense of women, whether she tells you or not, admits it to herself or not… This is what she truly wants. I promise you. Or, she can be like women of other cultures who have not been conditioned to kill their hearts and instead kill themselves and commit suicide, though a few still do in our culture, a couple of my sweet, beautiful girl friends included. While that may sound harsh to your hardened heart and something you may never do… understand Eve is made for relationship and commitment, remember? It’s like you just took the very oxygen she needed to breathe when you left and now she is the one gasping for air. Unfortunately, a woman’s desire for relationship can scare a man in dating today, because he then fears he’s going to get suffocated and runs away, when in reality, she may have been the most loyal woman to him and only him, but instead you end up marrying the very one that will cheat on you because she gave you the sense that she was not going to suffocate you, which I suppose is true… she’s just too busy giving attention to other men and is why she didn’t need to “suffocate” you. You see how we might miss the highest levels of Truth in the dating game? I see this happen ALLL the time in the military. I so wish I could teach classes on this as so many bad relational mistakes are being made as early in the dating phase as many of our men don’t know what to look for in a woman, and is why having our parents’ input or even having matchmakers like some Jewish communities still do, is actually wise.
Or…. devastated Eve can harden her heart. She can say, “eff it… I’m not going to trust men again and use them as they have me” as you see many American women doing today, and we now have women becoming men and men becoming women and the worst gender confusion history has ever seen. And the more us women become like men, the more the culture applauds us, but will stone us if we admit we want men to lead. The women who have taken on a masculine nature are the ones whose consciences may be so seared in order to protect themselves from pain they were not meant to face, that they are willing to go home with you when you just met her, maybe even the one instigating the sexual activity. But I guarantee you, Brothers… that woman has a story of wounding too that led her to that. It was never her truest desire.
Guaranteed. Or worse, it’s a very good woman that’s been so broken by a man that left, that she gives you sex in hopes that you will love her and stay because that is how she is wired – to be giving in order to receive love. Why? Because she is wired for marriage – NOT for dating. A woman who is giving upfront to a man makes an awesome and pleasing wife. This is what you want but you won’t see her in today’s style of dating, because this is psychologically confusing to a man in dating, because even a man’s more driven nature is to value that which is harder to get… Even if she has hardly been with any other men, you still assume she has many times before because that is your reasoning compared to yourself as a man, projected on her. So here, even a man’s primal nature (which I’ve found to be very powerful and should not be overlooked to understand both genders) works against him. The very thing the woman was hoping to get by giving her body, becomes the very thing the man does not want or feel led to give – commitment. And this is why books like “Men Love Bitches” and “Men Marry Bitches” are bestsellers… because they’re TRUE and the advice in there WORKS because it plays on the primal natures between men and women – which again – worked for marriage and was to lead a man to commitment before he gets the goods. Men love that chase. Let’s be honest, guys. Even the best of men love the pursuit. I see it all the time: men desperately wanting to use me for their validation, sometimes even just to see if they can get my number. Attractive women are the most used (in terms of being used for a man’s validation – I don’t necessarily mean sexually), so sometimes the most beautiful women find the least love – just look at Marilyn Monroe’s tragic life, who practically begged for someone to love her for who she truly was – Norma Jean, not the facade our culture pushes men to buy into and pushes women to be to the point of plastic surgery becoming incredibly common. There is a very distinct difference between desire and love. I’m not sure men know the difference..? You guys would have to tell me.
So in the end… due to a man’s own primal nature that doesn’t belong in this type of culture that is working against him… it keeps him from finding the lasting love he truly wants to find, and instead of marrying the best partner for him, he marries the one that gives him the best chase, whether she was playing a game or not… I promise you, the women who finally learn how to play the dating game with men or accidentally make some moves that kept the dating game and chase going, sometimes just by being busy which keeps a man moving forward with her as she leans back, continuing to ask her out because of the rush of hormones a pursuit gives him… She is the one that gets the commitment, while the “nice” girl sits at home crying over him all year, because she valued and believed in him and saw something worth fighting for. But the more she fights for him, the more a man’s primal nature doesn’t like that, because men don’t like to be the one being chased – it makes them feel hunted, lol, though that’s not actually what’s happening. So he continues to run away from that loyal one. Of course this isn’t always the case, I’m just sharing common examples of how dating fails us that I see people doing all the time. I’ve had to work around very masculine men often, who are wired very primally, and I see it all the time. You wonder why military men get cheated on often? I tell you, dear ones… I watch them pick them. Why? Because it’s the “cool girl” they want, full of self-confidence, not the shy, quiet girl that is nervous around a man… though if you look deeper… this shy girl is good. It shows she has high standards and doesn’t just go out with anybody, and is not used to being around a man. But… she’s not cool. She feels awkward and it makes you feel awkward. And her body is natural so certain parts of her may not be sticking out in your face so she just doesn’t make you salivate yet as the one that is so “self-confident” after spending eight grand on her boob job, while the girl that’s overlooked may have spent eight grand to help care for her mother and can’t even afford fashionable clothes, as much as it’s in her good heart to want to look good for you. I’m afraid men don’t even know what a real woman looks like anymore. Do you guys? But… you see where I’m going with this? This is where men and women are missing each other and not looking at what truly matters. You want that woman that’ll be by your side through thick and thin, not that one that emasculates you when hard times come or tries to control you and rages at you if she doesn’t get it. She’s hot at first, I know, but hot doesn’t look so pretty when she makes you feel like a POS in marriage. But men love bitches, remember? 😉
And then the relationship fails… because he did not marry for character. He married for looks… a feeling… whatever. She may even cheat on him. Believe it or not, men marry based on feeling, while women marry for more concrete reasons. But a man will not commit unless a woman makes him FEEL a certain way. So even if a woman is the perfect life partner for him, if she doesn’t “do” something to make him FEEL a certain way in the first few dates, he may not ask her out again even though she is loyal to him. Even Dr. John Grey, the relationship expert, laments that men do this, possibly missing their soulmate. They don’t invest enough time in giving a person a chance, but men would have to do this in today’s style of dating for a long time to find his soulmate, which can take a man six months to two years to really know. He says a man goes in sexual cycles, and the ravenous desire he felt for a particular woman at one time will come around again if he just sticks around. I say this is for marriage. If a man didn’t have sexual cycles, he may lose his job because he can’t stop having sex at home, lol, so he needs a break so his body helps tell him to by laying off the hormones a bit, but men get confused when they don’t feel that strong attraction anymore like they initially had and assume she’s not “the one” and leave.
In reality, guys, we’re actually wired to be married by our teen years, and is why the hormones are going all crazy by then. It was very normal in the past to be betrothed at age 13 as a man, and at age 12 as a woman and spend your life growing together, getting to know each other and dating AFTER marriage, becoming best friends, exploring each other’s bodies and never laying eyes on another’s body, and falling in love AFTER marriage, which such feelings also come in cycles. If you weren’t married by age 18, something was wrong. We gawk at that today, but in reality, it’s because our generation has bred such selfish, emotionally and relationally immature kids today who couldn’t be capable of commitment for reasons of irresponsibility, when a young man may have already begun building his first home at age 17 before he even courted anyone, so that he may have something to offer and present a potential wife when he asks her to marry him – not date him – marry him. A girl’s body is ready to carry her first baby before she even gets to junior high age, usually before age 12.
A_C_L,
1) Much of what you say is true, but why do you feel the need to talk so much? Brevity is appreciated.
2) I have noticed that whenever men are talking, some girl often shows up and starts making it all about her. Self-praise is no recommendation. Stop telling us how “gorgeous” you are. You are 40, and nobody here believes you.
3) Instead of blaming men, as so many seem wont to do, can we have an essay on how Modern Feminism has created generations of “Strong, independent women” who “don’t need no man” and are therefore are no longer marriage-minded until it’s too late? From where I’m standing, men didn’t change; women did. We are just responding to what’s on offer. And no quality man wants to pay full price for stale or used goods. That’s just the way it is.
4) You are over-thinking this. There is no “soulmate”. There is no “the one”. You’re waiting for Mister Perfect, and you most likely won’t find him, because husbands are made, not born. At your age, your options are slim to none… and Slim’s leaving town.
Strong comment. My guess is she’s on a heavy dose of adderal
Hi Wizard Prang,
Aw, I’m sorry you feel that way. Let me see if I can answer your questions but I’m not sure I can give you the brevity you seek, as I don’t feel it would give full honor to your questions… though surprisingly, you seem to have a lot to say yourself. 🙂
I was actually done sharing. I’m only writing this comment out of the kindness in my heart right now to give honor to your feelings. And yes, I read each and every post here out of respect for you all. I don’t feel the need to talk so much, and rarely make comments or am the talkative one. BUT I am a writer and these posts were very fast and easy for me to write, and I do simply have a genuine passion for what we’re talking about and sincerely thought it’d be fun to join in and would find people with my same beliefs and was sent here by a Christian man who sent me the link, who does parlay with me on mindsets above status quo. I had no idea this was a site for men when I first wrote, let alone not even Christian men, but addressed the “Gentlemen” because I saw the author was a man and the first couple comments appeared to be by men. I’m also new posting to this Word Press or whatever may have been used. Most websites you have to click on the comment if you want to read further than the first few lines, and can just skip over it if it doesn’t interest you, as I thought it would appear here. I apologize if I have frustrated anyone’s delicate balance of patience in scrolling, lol. I wasn’t intending to stay here, unless I find another article that interests me, so just wanted to give you all I got while I couldn’t sleep, even though I had many other things to read and write. I set it aside, not because I want to be heard as I obviously don’t need my name out there, but because it breaks my heart where our culture is going, and if we don’t talk about it and share ideas, it’s never going to change. I’m all about making change, and not sitting around complaining about it. I think in our conversations is where it starts, and trying to understand each other as men and women and wake up from the “fog of war” we’re in.
But the fact you’d even ask the question shows we have a completely different world view, as I’m sure could be the case with many others on a public Internet page. It may be hard for you to understand that it may be love that fuels my passion to share, in hopes it will encourage people or challenge them in ways they maybe never heard before, for I believe it would be selfish of me to think what I’m learning is all for myself, no. The way I see it, if we are here on this earth, God is allowing it for only 2 reasons: 1. for you to make the world a better place before you go, and love people enough to take time out of your day to speak the truth in love, even if it’s a hard truth we need to face as a fallen culture, or 2. Because He’s trying to give you a chance to turn your life around before you die which may be sooner than you think, and He doesn’t want your own sin and bitterness to destroy your life here, and the rest of your spiritual life for all Eternity as He weeps as you choose to burn in hell when you did not have to and He already took your sins for you upon Himself so you don’t have to pay that price that we all deserve. Whether you want to believe that or not, you best believe we will both find out on judgment day, so there’s no need to argue of it. I simply don’t want that for you, not here, and not for all Eternity. But the greatest test of who we are is in how we treat others, and that starts in our relationships, which this article deals with. If your spiritual eyes are open, you will see I alluded to the Gospel often, and whether you are able to recognize it’s value or not, I just gave you some truths that are valued way more than gold. Take it or leave it. But if you choose to leave it, then leave it. There’s no reason to mock me on your way out. It’s simply a gift I was handing you.
Ya know, I don’t notice women always making things all about us as you say, but what I do know we do that men tend to misunderstand is we love sharing about life and finding ways we relate with others, so will talk of something we’re familiar with in our own life, excited to share how it may relate to yours. We are simply connecting. Women innately get this about each other and is why we can talk like best friends in a first conversation. I agree… I didn’t like having to say that I’ve been called beautiful, but things are hard on an Internet screen and I’d rather it speak for itself or not and is why I posted my picture for now, so you Gentlemen know I’m not hiding and it’s totally okay to think I look ugly behind too, lol, but am leery of introducing myself visually more, not because I don’t stand by my words and what I believe, and I do and wish I could send you to my website and we can all be jolly friends, lol, but out of respect for the organizations I’m involved with, I cannot. At least not right now. But men are very visually driven, so I painted a picture to prove a point – that many people are CHOOSING not to date, and it’s not because they can’t get a date. I’m essentially saying, “yep, I agree with you… here is where I’m coming from… and it may surprise and interest you…Maybe it will give you hope again in the opposite gender…” That’s all. If anything, I think I’m far from perfect and would be the first to tell you (as I did)! I expected I’d get some criticism on it though, but wasn’t sure how to word that point better so just put it out there so I can get on to the more important points.
In all honesty, guys, and I just cannot respond to it all… but when I read some of your guys’ comments, I’m like… wow, where on earth are they talking about? I get what’s being said, but not to the point of the way it’s being expressed with all this blaming and accusation. And I wasn’t intending to make anyone feel blamed when I discussed the protection of women… I simply thought I was already talking to the men that did the protecting and would agree!
I’m now wondering.. are most of the readers here from the UK? Where are all these whores you speak of? Lol, you don’t have to answer that, I’m just now wondering if I’m not even talking to Americans as I thought.
Oh, and I may write a book on such things one day, so I was sincerely interested in sharing ideas and helping each other see through the ridiculous Matrix we’re living in, and maybe hoping to learn something from you guys too. People really can’t see this stuff, guys, and are blind to higher and deeper levels of truth, keeping us all from what we really want – Love.
And trust me, I spend time on trying to help women understand their men too, and will not always side with a woman if she’s wrong…. and I’m sure I’m not always right either! And ask me in ten years and I’m sure I’ll have grown into even deeper wisdom that I will simply want to share before I leave this earth as I watch men and women suffering needlessly from not understanding each other and judging each other. None of us will ever win with that.
How many cats do you have?
“Even Dr. John Grey, the relationship expert, laments that men do this, possibly missing their soulmate.”
Oh. My. Now I feel pity for you.
Dating is totally useless.
Every girl you date goes down the memory hole once you break up. Dating adds absolutely nothing of value to your life in the long term. It’😕s just a misunderstanding.
You must shoot to kill. When you see a woman you like you gotta ask yourself if you would impregnate her. That is the only purpose of a woman. And if the answer is no then stay away.
Well, dear ones, this is not my article, so as a respect to Roosh, this will be my last long post on this subject, even though I am a writer myself, obviously, and have a passion to encourage men to be even greater, and to bring healing to relationships, which I can thankfully say I’ve been able to help save some marriages and hope to help more in the future, so there is definitely some good fruit in these ideas and am seeing men come alive for the first time in their lives. I’m not anybody, just somebody that simply cares about people, that’s all. I knew before I even began writing that it would ruffle some feathers who would not want a different viewpoint, even if for some intelligent, thought-provoking conversation and a respectful sharing of different or similar ideas… But some ruffled feathers cover over very fragile egos that feel a need to find a way to discredit and put others down, even sweet, kind ladies who came to applaud men being men… attempting to disrespect her to make themselves feel better. Ya know… when people first began teaching me that people put others down in the very way they feel about themselves, trying to project how they feel about themselves onto you.. I couldn’t understand because I don’t feel I could ever do that to others. But the more I grow in wisdom….Wow, I see how true it really is. And I’m sorry that some of you have been so hurt you have turned to bitterness. You can be free, you know. Seriously. 🙂
The highest levels of Truth will always cut like a knife, dividing those who can face it, and those who cannot, as Jesus said He did not come to bring “peace” as the world defines it, but a sword. No, if I’m truly going to be His true disciple, I have an obligation to Truth, and not just saying what people want to hear to tickle your ears. I know Truth is unpopular. That is why Jesus’ Name provokes such controversy, with all the spiritual warfare surrounding just saying His Name. And no, I am not here at all to gain your approval. I was hoping to do the opposite and be able to give you mine, if anything. and just encourage you on before I move on with my busy day.
OH! And this is just a side note of generally good advice we can always exercise, remembering that anything we post on the Internet is never truly private… Before you post again with your actual name and picture trying hard to disrespect a lady who came at you respectfully and is a member of the Armed Forces which you would know if you actually read what I wrote, who committed the best years of her life for YOU and the sake of protecting YOUR freedom while you sat at home in your bitterness and hiding behind the safety of your computer making judgments of others unnecessarily… and because she did not see other men around her being willing to volunteer, and could easily have been sitting fat and happy having babies or a good modeling career she gave up, as well as being provided for by multiple men who have volunteered to do so or expressed their desire, wishing me to give them beautiful children that they know I would raise well (just being honest – I’m downplaying a lot, actually), a lady who just so happens to be highly intelligent and can hunt you down with a quickness and obviously knows how to handle a rifle or two and is actually not a bad shot and trained to kill, and no, I’m not making a threat, just kindly and respectfully painting a picture of generally good advice you should always keep in mind when you don’t know who you are truly dealing with… And who actually IS very fertile and on her period NOW…
…I would think again before posting.
; D
Oh, how fun this conversation could have been shared over a cup of tea, as I would have so loved for you to share your disrespects right to my face, disrespecting a lady who showed you no harm and allowed you to your beliefs respectfully and gracefully. Darn, right? We both miss out. Poo. I’m sure we can agree on that. 😉
Alright, dear Gentlemen, thank you for your time and attention. Have a good day and as you do, I challenge and encourage you as well as myself to build your character before you build your kingdom. Afterall… what good would it be if after you build your kingdom it falls and comes crashing down on you? King David of Israel, whom I believe was the greatest warrior king who ever lived, spent 12 years humbly living in caves until he was crowned king, and faithfully tending to the sheep even before that learning to trust in God. Same with Joseph, whose own brothers sold into slavery, who was falsely accused of rape and ended up in prison for it for some 13 or 16 years (chime in if you know, as there seems to be varying ideas of the exact length but it was LONG and humbling), but Joseph never gave up his faith, proving he was a man that can be entrusted with power. And every man wants to live a powerful life, and in his truest God design, he is made to.
God used all the unfair evil coming at Joseph to test and grow his character over many years, because God knew all along….. that He was about to make him the most powerful man in all Egypt under only the Pharoah himself, which at the time, Egypt held the most power and influence over all the world. God handed that authority to Joseph…. because He knew He could trust him. God called King David “a man after My own heart.” No, David was far from perfect and paid dearly for his sins, but the scriptures teach that a man may fall many times, but it is the righteous man (not perfect – but righteous) man that gets back up again to do what is right, no matter how many times he has to do it, no matter what it costs him.
I hope and pray you can become such men.
Your ramblings were borderline incoherent and unwelcome. How embarrassing.
Actually, Migs, I dropped some serious truth in each post. I’m so sorry it was too advanced for you to comprehend. Like I said, take it or leave it, dear Brothers – your choice. If a truck is headed down the highway at you and you tell me you don’t believe in trucks, it’s not going to stop it from killing you. What pill do you want to swallow? What kind of man do you want to be? It’s on you, dear Brothers. If men are to lead, that means the accountability also falls on your shoulders as to the outcome of what happens to your families. And mocking a nice girl you don’t even know that counsels and teaches and is taking time to help encourage your life if you’d actually hear is really, really telling about who you are. That goes for all of you, but I still pray many of you are better than that, though it seems some of you are not here to be a better person and learn and grow, but to spew hate and bitterness and is where you’ll stay stuck. That’s very, very weak, dear Brothers. A true man of honor that is truly the spiritual warrior that has come into the fullness of true masculinity, would be secure enough in himself that he would not need to do that, especially not to a lady. I understand you are asking me questions you don’t really want to hear an answer to, but don’t ever say no one ever told you truth when that day comes. You are accountable now.
If you want to hear more and understand God’s true design for masculinity that, if men will step up to it, is one of the most powerful forces on this earth for good, and you can even get your deadened heart back, check out the teachings of John Eldredge of Ransomed Heart and his NY Times Bestselling book for men – Wild at Heart, that has changed many lives for good. But be ready to take that red pill. Walking with Christ is not for the faint of heart, and is why He said few will find the Narrow Gate that leads to Life… I’m finding it, Brothers! It is really possible! And you can too! But if you really want to find LIFE, you must be ready and willing to lay down your own life. Drink Life like water, and sip death like wine, men… Life like water… and death like wine…
Best wishes to you all, truly! And sorry in advance to the TRUE Gentlemen, if any, if you didn’t get the chance to connect and share your thoughts. I would have loved to hear but gotta get going on other work… as Jesus said in Matt. 10:14 that if anyone does not welcome you or heed your words after you’ve given them the chance, we must shake the dust off our feet and move on from them as He did by their own choice. I’ve said my peace, and am thankful some of these words may be here for years to come for people who are genuinely seeking truth and true masculinity and not running from it, which was my goal so we may begin to shift a culture, albeit slowly. If anyone would like to have any more choice words, you are welcome to direct them at my Father God who created true masculinity to bear His own image. He’s watching and listening too, so you don’t even need lil’ me to dump on to make yourselves feel better anymore… I’m sure the God of the universe that holds the choice whether to allow your next breath or not will be happy to answer any further questions on His daughter’s behalf! 😉 Thanks for the article, Roosh!
~ Strength & Honor
“Actually, Migs, I dropped some serious truth in each post.”
Yeah, but nobody read past the first sentence.
You must be the dullest woman in the world, all talk and no sex!
Why do these unwelcome Americunts come on here with their femi-flapping and expouse to know what men need and how to be a “real man?” They are the weaker sex, not men. Kinda obvious.
The typical, preachy, cunty, detatched from reality, pseudo-Disney fantasy world drivel that these modern chicks blow out of their suckholes. God, I wish their was a zipper that you could pull down over their femi-flapping, nonsensical blow-holes. No wonder men are going for AI-infused sexdolls these days. lol
“Brevity is the soul of wit.”
Which is why women make shyte comedians. You are obviously very thoughtful and intelligent if not a bit long winded. This puts you leaps and bounds ahead of most modern women glued to their iPhags.
But you waited too long, sadly. Had you taken all this and shared it in your 20s you’d be tending to your kids and not posting here. At 40, you are invisible to men, and deep inside in a place covered in denial, you know this. Young guys will MILF you up and leave you. Old men will trophy you for a few years but prime real estate men 30-55 or so won’t look twice at you in spite of all the potential good you may have.
Your best bet would be spend the rest of your years educating younger women about the lies they are told every day and basically not end up like you. That would be doing God’s work.
i am mr. perfect. but i just dont have any money, which makes me a loser and a piece of shit.
Just saw this… No, it doesn’t mean that, Anarchy… Do not say that of yourself. Begin to seek Spiritual wealth as you simply do your best to provide and let God do the rest. He may make you wealthy as you lean on Him, or He may not in the world’s eyes, but the right woman will be by your side even if you had no choice but to live in a tent. How do I know? Because I know what it feels like to truly love and believe in a man. I was once that loyal girl I spoke of, and would have followed that man anywhere God lead him, even into poverty if that is what God called him to endure, and I would not have stopped believing in him for one second, even if we suffered through it for years, as many giants of the faith have done. At least we would have done it together.
Financial wealth is much less of an indicator to how well we are doing as a man may be tempted to think.
“Foxes have dens and birds have nests… but The Son of Man has no place to lay His head.” ~ Jesus
hey you are actually smart! i thought bad about you before. now i feel bad about myself. i will grow from that.
AnonymousChasteLady, you’re content struck a chord. You have wisdom and I’d like to connect with you occasionally to ask you a few questions related to everything you discussed.
I’m learning and growing into an honorable man God has called me to be w/ the help of another man who himself walks the walk.
Most of these men have a hardened heart and are blind to the thing they seek. The only reason men sleep around is because they’re constantly chasing that genuine connection that eludes them with each empty sex partner. They’re trapped in quicksand and sleeping with multiple women is there way of trying to claw themselves out.
What you said about being able to SEE a women of character, class, respect, love, feminine power and beauty is a matter of opening the heart.
Opening our heart is something we were taught as boys NOT to do. It took a long while to get use to crying in front of God, then other people.
This is a timely message because though I’m being trained from a mans perspective and experience on the things you’re teaching, it’s very interesting to read this from a Godly woman’s perspective.
I can just feel what you’re saying. It’s the Truth. Very DEEP truths that I know you know would fall on deaf ears for most. But I “HEAR” you loud and clear so the time you took writing the posts did not go in vain.
My email is [email protected] – I’d like to start a friendship with you if you’re at all interested and I’d rather not lose contact with you. There’s much I can learn from you on my journey as I prepare to attract a woman just like you. And, who knows, I’ll send you pictures of my Godly, Christian wife I am working on myself internally to attract in the future and invite you to our wedding 🙂
P.S. I won’t bug you with a lot of emails. Just a few questions from time to time.
i don’t understand. if your’e going to have a permanent sexual relationship (marriage), how do you get there without dating?
Arranged marriage, bang them on the first date (your wedding night).
This would make life just so much better and easier. I want one!
Guys, I have a solid piece of advice for you.
FRIENDS WITH BENEFITS ONLY.
Tell that bitch to manage her emotions and if she can’t, then cut her off and next her.
No relationships, no drama, no monogamy, no cheating.
No ultimate fulfillment either, but turn off the fucking romantic comedy playing on your Netflix so you can try and show the girl you’re seeing your softer side…you know, the soft side she secretly hope you don’t have…and wake the fuck up.
Bitches are good for one thing and one thing only – ravenous sex. They don’t love you, they never have, and they never will. They won’t fulfill you. They won’t make you better, they’ll only make you worse.
FUCK THEM, MOVE ON, THEN FUCK THEIR BEST FRIENDS.
RINSE AND REPEAT.
they also love you, if you are special, if not forget it. LOL
they also love you, if you are special, if not forget it. LOL
Roosh’s articles keep getting better
I agree that slut-shaming is the only way that this may end. However, there is always a big degree of hypocrisy on these threads from men like Roosh who have also been promiscuous. It takes two to tango. Men need to be shaming promiscuity from BOTH men and women in order to reverse this societal breakdown. This happened in the past. We shouldn’t be aiming to get our dicks wet unless in committed relationships.
Yes of course dating is a horrible nightmare. There is no map, no guidelines accepted by both parties for steps to take, just a vague promise that at some point you will get some grand feeling and just know.
Sex as release is fine, and courtship with some rules is fine. At least in courtship you have a map and an endgame. You have to act a certain way, after so much time you must pop the question, go to her dad and ask for permission and the matter is settled, you are now joined in sacred union, go forth and procreate. Dating – a crashing bore and a huge expense too.
New reader here, interesting site. However what you seek or say you seek in this article is incompatible with all the game stuff you have here on this site. Game is about seduction, and has nothing to do with you having a 25 year long marriage with progeny.
25 years is a long time, your HB9 or 10 will long have ceased to be 9 or 10. You will have seen her at 5 in the morning, and smelled her farts along with all her other unpleasant smells. You will be sharing a bathroom with her. You will have dealt with her parents. And all her issues. At this point the glamor is long gone. There has to be something else.
I see you have some interesting articles on Indian men seeking game. Actually if we are honest what does work for creating the 25 year marriage with progeny is the Indian arranged marriage system or other similar traditional systems, but none of your articles seem to approve of that. You look down upon it.
It seems you do have to choose:
Either Game and seduction with post sexual revolution women. You can get good at it and you will have a life of great highs in your prime, but these highs will diminish as you get older and get fewer and fewer in-between.
Or courtship and marriage with a traditional woman: not so many grand highs to begin, she may not be HB9 or 10, but you will have a family and grow to be the grand patriarch, the king of your home, with an extended family tree, and many grand-kids to dote on in your old age.
If you get very very lucky, you can thread the needle: have seduction for a while, and just in time settle down to something more old fashioned with just enough pair-bond and culture to keep things going when the glamor has gone.
article makes sense, but kobe bryant has no business preaching morals to anyone
Whatz with all these essays ppl are writing on here? I didnt waste my time reading any of them. Make your point laconically ffs.
You must “Simplify, Simplify, Simplify.”
Or as Emmerson once said, “Perhaps one ‘Simplify’ would suffice.”
Roosh probably used “dating” to find his (probably) Polish fiance (assuming he’s going through with it and hasn’t been made MGTOW after years of being a PUA).
What stinks is MODERN dating. Modern dating is, as Roosh points out, designed for men to chase after ho’s via putting on a show (usually clown game) or worse, throwing money at them on dates and the woman putting out after 3 dates because she knows he’s going to see her as using him for attention and has to keep him around.
Traditional dating was lower impact: The man didn’t spend money on the date but would usually go to the woman’s parent’s house and (politely) have the parents chaperone him and see how he behaves. Dating in the old days were “activity” dates: walking through the public park, going to church and community socials, and charity events.
I stumbled upon his secret myself realizing that dinner dates and bars were for chumps or disease addled PUAs and gave women activity dates: Very little food after lots of physical activity. The women who spent 2 hours playing tennis with me thought that the ham sandwiches and cup of tea I brought along with me were steakhouse feasts due to their appetite (similar to how women traditionally sex starve men to make them think her sex is so valuable.)
But certainly, having difficult conversations about values and how one handles a breakup (will she lawyer up in 10 seconds on you) is necessary. One can’t find a “perfect” woman but certainly “good enough” is attainable. It may take a few months to see how she behaves in her natural zone as well as when arguments come up (does she call the police on you? Does she back down if she picks a fight and you escalate and she walks off and comes back?) Dating is sort of like a mini relationship where you test drive the car (not necessarily all the way, although some dealerships now let potential buyers take the car home!)
This is for you Roosh.
There is no problem with dating.
There is however a problem using the tactics that worked in “bang” to get a different outcome. You game for “bang” and you get “bang”.
If you want to get yourself a wife and mother you have to change your game. Drop all that clown stuff and all that nice guy “weasel my way into her bedroom” shit. Just drop it 100%.
Instead you reframe yourself into asshole guy. A buddy would describe it as “evil james bond”. If you do that for a while you will soon enough have a solid rooster of girls who want you. For life. To sire their children, marry and all that stuff.
Thing is, you dont want any of it. You just want to be a massive asshole and enjoy every single day. They will do as you say and follow your commands, even unspoken ones. Just to please you. Why? So they can out-game the other girls and “get” you.
Pick one, marry her, never change your frame and have fun.
Dating never worked. Value is about making yourself scarce, not giving away your time for free or at cost.
Thanks, yes, this is true. I never got dating to work for me. I always found it really abrasive, going from having a nice meal with a guy who seemed sweet and protective to someone yelling at me and losing it because I don’t put-out. I’ve gone on a decent amount of mostly first and second dates at this point, and I can 100% say they are not made for nice girls, but for guys who want to get laid and dykes who want to dyke others. It’s just like sending a woman into combat, don’t even get me started…
What we need is for Red Pill Alphas to start going into churches and replacing the Asexual leadership, just by sheer force of will. Have the bad women, marry the good ones, overhaul the place. Slap head coverings on the girls. Get that matriarchy out of there! Make it a place to meet people.
I wish I had a traditional father who would sell me as property to a real man, not a pathetic alcoholic who can’t hold a job.
I’m happily married but my husband is a big fan of the site so I often skim articles and it’s always nice validation for me as a traditional Muslim girl and makes me smile to remember my friends, family and peers who are similarly described as a sort of unicorn in these articles. I think my husband who is a convert to Islam considers himself quite lucky as well. I know you people hate Muslims and Islam which makes these articles even more amusing and flattering. Nice work, keep it up. Peace.
Go on 1,000 job interviews to find one good job. There are a lot of jobs in the sea.
Test drive 100 cars to find the right car for you. Never settle for the car that isn’t perfect.
Inspect 500 homes to find your dream house. You deserve the absolute best
This is actually a great idea. The key is to know the difference between what you want and what you need. Most people are aware that perfect is not attainable. A lot of people like to assume that they can decide what someone’s wants and needs should be or are. To avoid unnecessary crushing of the soul, have boundaries for yourself and what you allow from others. You don’t go for a job interview and destroy your resume. You don’t go for a test drive and start personalizing the car in the lot. You don’t go to a open house with a moving van. In each of these scenarios you go with your list of needs and negotiable and take notes with the understanding that luck may or may not be in your favor, there may be variables you are unaware of, and with reasonableness you will eventually find a match.
The ‘dating’ model is used to find jobs, cars, and homes. There are plenty of people with all three and people without. There are people getting married after dating, all the time. From what I’ve observed, every person, regardless of looks or age, gets married if they really in their subconscious and conscious mind want to get married to another imperfect living human being with needs and desires, not a baby making robot/slave. Sometimes, this website has insight regarding western society but, goddamn grow a fucking pair. Stop blaming everybody but yourself for your disappointments. The whining is just embarrassing.
What in the world?
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Nowadays there is no such thing called “dating”…..