International dating is growing in popularity among Western men. The manosphere was instrumental in lifting the idea of dating abroad out of the hands of shady mail order bride sites and socially inept middle aged men; and placing it squarely in the hands of masculine males.
Now the topic occasionally even overflows into the mainstream consciousness. From the blogosphere to the water cooler, more and more men are hearing stories of conquest ranging from one night stands to marriage proposals. As tales of exotic, beautiful, and feminine women are shared by a few “lucky” guys, the rest often pine with curiosity, doubt, or even fantasy.
Tales of international conquest are more common then they want you to believe
International Dating Is More Than Just Pickup
There’s no shortage of resources on international pickup and flag hunting. Just about every would-be red pill blogger has a guide or course on the subject. However, information and dialogue run scant for the rare (some would say crazy) masculine man who has decided that for him marriage and family are worth the risk of investment, and who himself is willing to go overseas to find what he’s looking for.
In this post we’ll look at a simple process a man can use to meet and date women in Ukraine for the prospect of marriage or a serious relationship. In this process, efficiency and effectiveness are virtues. This approach is for the man who holds time and energy as two of the most precious commodities.
A Few Assumptions
This article also assumes a few things. The first is that you know what you want, and that is something along the lines of a beautiful women with traditional values and a feminine nature.
The second assumption is that you know how to get what you want. That is, if you met such a woman, you would know how to lead the interaction according to the principles of your masculine nature and her femininity (aka game).
The final assumption is that you have—or at least can attain—the resources for dating overseas. This includes but is not necessarily limited to time, money, willpower, etc.
Why Ukraine?
There are multiple Slavic countries with beautiful and traditional women, but Ukraine is the first choice of many men. Sure, the country has a global reputation for gorgeous females, but the real draw are probably its cheap prices and visa-free entry for most westerners.
Neighboring Russia and Belarus are also known for their women, but in both nations the cost of living is higher and you’ll have to wade through the mire of visa red tape just to get into the country.
You face red tape and visa fees if you want to get to Russian women.
A Four-Step Process
Now let’s took a look at how to actually go about meeting serious Ukrainian women.
1. Get Your Tools Together
If you’re looking for a serious relationship, blindly approaching women on the streets of Kiev is not very efficient, and if you have a limited time in the country, it’s simply not worth the effort. The logistical techniques of international pick up have their merit, but if you’re surveying a foreign country for wife material, you will have to amend ideas like pipelining and approach to suit your search.
You’ll want to choose a international dating site (of which there are many). However you should only use sites that meet the following criteria: a) is a paid site, and b) allows direct contact with women on the site.
Free sites tend to be flooded with bots, scammers, and prostitutes. A quality woman might be found in a such a place, but good luck trying to find her. A reputable paid site will have less suspicious activity and helps you cut through a lot of the usual B.S. that comes with online dating (though no site is perfect).
There’s an entire scam industry out there in the international dating world called Pay Per Letter (PPL). Basically these sites upload hundreds of profiles of beautiful foreign women and charge men for every message or letter they send. The catch is that the women aren’t real and you’re probably writing to a guy named Boris.
You can easily avoid all this by only using sites that charge an upfront monthly subscription and allow you to communicate with women directly as much as you want (similar to a normal dating site).
A good dating site or two will help you pinpoint your targeting. On my first trip to Ukraine, I made the mistake of thinking I could confidently wander about the country and meet women wherever I happened to find myself. That might work if you’re in the country for an extended stay, but for a short trip it’s a bad idea (especially if you don’t speak the local language).
For the majority of my trip I ended up in a small town limited to talking only to women in and around a local language school, which in my opinion is not the best hunting ground (more on that later).
2. Validate Your Destination
Next, you want to choose which city you will travel to. This method presupposes that one city will amply fill your entire stay, but in theory you could travel to others if it suits you.
The first and most obvious choice is Kiev. It’s the largest city and hosts Ukraine’s busiest international airport. Odessa and Lviv also service international flights and are fairly easy to get to.
If you’re feeling more adventurous you might also consider cities like Kharkiv or Dnipro. Each city has its pros and cons, so do your homework and decide which one appeals to you.
Remember when we assumed you know what you want in a woman? Use some of that criteria (age range, appearance, etc) to search on your chosen dating site for eligible profiles in your given city.
You want to make sure there’s enough potential contacts to justify your travel. Major cities in Ukraine typically have no shortage of beautiful feminine women, so this typically isn’t an issue. Still, double check.
Validate your chosen city before you buy a plane ticket.
3. Make Contact
Once you’ve verified your chosen city, book your travel and start contacting women. Obviously you’ll want your site profile and intro messages to demonstrate your high value as a man. This is pretty much the same as pipelining for pickup, but with one crucial difference: you have the advantage of being a serious man looking for a serious relationship.
If you mention the words marriage or wife, and that you are intent on face-to-face meetings in lieu of online correspondence, you will attract attention. If you can convince a Slavic woman that you’re serious about your intentions, you’ll have a huge advantage in the dating marketplace, one that less serious men can only dream of. Your main problem will be sifting through the interested candidates.
4. Go
This is the part were you actually step on a plane and meet the women you’ve been contacting. Once you actually start interacting with them, focus your energy on the ones who exemplify the values you’re looking for.
Cut off relations with women as they begin to disqualify themselves from your standard. The cream will inevitably rise to the top. By the end of your stay, you should have one or more women with whom you can continue to connect and test until you decide that a second trip is warranted.
The right woman will be worth a second trip.
Balance Your Expectations
There are two sets of expectations you will need to balance while meeting women in Ukraine. One is for the trip itself, and the other is for the women you encounter.
Defining A Successful Trip
When a man invests his time and money into a particular endeavor, he often feels compelled to see an immediate return. If he’s not careful, this compulsion will wear away at his rationality and drive him to make hasty emotional decisions.
If circumstances aren’t matching up to his expectations, he may try force a result out of desperation and spell disaster for himself.
Don’t lose sight of the big picture during your trip. Coming home without a prospect might be frustrating, but it isn’t failure. The hunt continues. Returning with a woman below your standards would be the true defeat.
What To Expect Of The Women
Hype has surrounded the women of Ukraine for awhile now. They’re lauded as some of the most beautiful and feminine women in the world. However, that doesn’t mean that the bread basket of Europe is also automatically the wife basket of the world.
My first trip to Ukraine was an eye-opener. I had my first dates with Ukrainian women in a city of about 150,000 people. The reports I’d heard made me assume that Ukraine was an untouched bastion of traditional values and gender roles.
Don’t get me wrong: in Ukraine your chances of meeting a traditionally feminine woman are drastically higher than your typical major city in the west. Even so, don’t be so gullible as to believe that just because a woman is Ukrainian means she’s worth your time.
One of the first girls I dated was a huge fan of Sex and the City, and said she wasn’t keen on having a family because she wanted to travel the world and see where life might take her. Needless to say, I was shocked to find that the tritest values of Western culture had made inroads all the way into small town Ukraine.
I also met a couple other women who plainly said that they preferred careers over starting a family. I even came across (but did not date) an uppity girl in her late twenties who lauded the merits of feminism and world travel. Sexual nomads seemed to have left these types out of their international pick up blogs…
The less English she knows the better (better work on your Russian).
Granted, these women were not the majority. They also had one unique thing in common: they all spoke excellent English. I began to notice that in this country there was a significant correlation between a woman’s age, English level, and value system. If a girl was young and her English was too good, it became a red flag.
You have to vet women in Ukraine just like anywhere else in the world. Don’t cut them any slack simply because they’re foreign. They definitely won’t be cutting you any.
Final Thoughts
Ukraine is still a hard country to ignore if you’re intent on conquering feminine women, though there are some signs and notable arguments that it might not stay that way. For now, a masculine man with a decent plan of action and a set of balanced expectations stands a lot to gain from even a short stay in the country.
If you’re ready and willing to make the highest of sexual investments, Ukraine still offers a worthy return: the kind of woman who will compliment your natural strength as a man and fuel the imaginations of lesser men on the wrong side of the red pill.
Read More: What It’s Like To Live In Kiev After Marrying A Ukrainian Woman
Decent article. I have my own place in Ukraine and I commute back and forth.
I’ve been slaying it for years now, and the one thing I agree with is that the Western rot has crept in. Another thing that doesn’t help is that Ukrainians now have visa-free travel to the Schengen Zone.
As I predicted, these Ukrainian women have been getting their biometric passports in order and traveling like never before. Many new airline routes and even airlines have sprung up on the basis of this visa-free privilege alone. You guessed it, more flights to Italy. I hate to break it to you guys, but with the Western rot comes the desire to sate their curiosity for the mulatto.
You’re still better off looking for a woman in Ukraine than in the West, but the days are now numbered.
go rural cuz poor fgirls can turn around and kill u
‘I hate to break it to you guys, but with the Western rot comes the desire to sate their curiosity for the mulatto.’
Huuuum…..really?
Well, that’s me so, cheers.
Bro.
I just can’t imagine myself mining OTHER countries just so I can get a wife.
Sure, if I decide to live over there then it’s no problem.
Otherwise, that energy would be put to better use in a career.
I think perhaps the only way to find a “decent wife” is to invent a time machine. Or is it “Time Masheen”?
White women are worthless, it doesn’t matter in which country they were born.
They are still worthless beyond a pump and dump.
Better to be a single incel all your life than marry a white woman.
>Marrying a woman who is unable to communicate with you
>Marrying a poor man’s version of a Russian
>Marrying a woman who has either starred in a Rocco Sifredi production or bought her clothes after working as a prostitute in Germany during summer vacation
>Marrying what is basically a mix of a Jew and a Slav
I feel sorry for men who marry Ukrainian women.
“Starred in Rocco video”
Every Ukrainian or Slavic girl stars in a Rocco the Buttman video?
They’re probably paid 300 Euros.
Wife?
Getting married (or even just having IHP) pretty much anywhere outside the middle east = VERY bad idea & I speak from experience. I’d even wager some Abdullah will tell me it’s a bad idea there too.
You’re better off keeping a stable of FB/FWB’s.
Love Your Money
Oh, you poor misguided fools who still believe that Ukrainian women make good wives. Ukraine and Russia are matriarchal societies. The women there don’t respect men and they are probably worse feminists than we see in the West. They denigrate men and use them for financial resources and sell them out worse than any other broads in the world. They don’t even respect their fathers who may have served for years in the military or a factory during Soviet times. It doesn’t matter whether you bring her to the West of keep her in Ukraine (which she will never allow you to do by the way). Simply don’t bother with them for marriage. Fuck em and leave em only.
I’m Russian and totally agree. I would never date Slavic women. They’re cold ugly rude bitches
I don’t get the travel thing myself. Unless you look exotic there and are looking for some quick action, the novelty wears off quickly for both parties just the same. Well it’s not that it does not wear off with ONS (kind of goes without saying) but at least the exoticism helps to grease the gears leading to that situation.
Instead of romanticizing nationalities should not we be looking for women of class that fit our niche? One thing I’ve learned from reading and life is that we all have a niche and we have to self-improve to attract the attractive girls that are in our niche; even if we don’t self-improve, we’ll still catch their eye but giving the best possible impression draws in the best girls we can genetically attract from the talent pool that’s available to us. It’s easier to find those niche girls from your own country and culture because you share similar experiences, values and language.
If you’re not loaded, women from worse developed countries will think less of you and if you are, you know what they will be after. In western countries and particularly in Northern Europe where I live the income differences are not that great and a disability benefit recipient is not doing much worse than someone working a low status job; they just happen to have much more free time.
Nothing wrong with spreading your net far and wide in search of girls that fit your criteria but I don’t think you should be (dis)qualifying them based on their citizenship.
I would rather learn ukrainian than russian if I were to go to Ukraine unless you need to live in Russia too. Even though the ukrainians speak russian fairly well, it’s still a matter of national pride for them like any other nation to have their own language and to promote it. You would not go to Brazil and expect people to speak spanish to you would you? Unless your russian is native like, you will be lost if they speak back to you using ukrainian because the languages are not exactly the same. If you’re serious about learning both, that would probably impress some girls but I imagine it would not build attraction in the long run. It’s just that being ignorant of the basics (like the importance of knowing ukrainian in Ukraine) would turn them off.
These Articles about Russian/UKR whores are LEFT OVER from the 90s when the Soviet Whore idea, post-Perestroika, seemed cool and somewhat possible.
Now these Slavic chicks have faster mobile phones and a better lifestyle than you do in Shittown, USA.
All of their comrades & relatives have already married. divorced, and completely fucked-over an American…. and they all laugh about it.
Tip, techniques, and support litter the Russian social media with such detail & manipulation it makes the NSA look like E-Harmony in comparison.
These girls do their research and often have Russian contacts, lawyers, friends and even boyfriends ALREADY LIVING HERE READY TO AID AND ABET.
You think you’re the Rich White Knight stud getting exotic Natasha Pornstarski as your subservient sex-slave cook…
Instead you will watch as your entire sexless life gets wiped to ground AND you will nonetheless get to pay for Sasha FantasywhoreSkaya in perpetuity.
It cannot be stressed enough – American chicks are too fat & lazy to even come close the viciousness of an Iron Curtain whore!
===HINT===
Marriage was once a global method of structuring men into servitude.
Now it is a TRAP resulting in destitution and even imprisonment.
Do NOT do it.
You make valid points, but like all such generalized observations, exceptions exist.
I married my Slavonic wife almost 12 years ago and we have 2 children together. We lived in my country (the UK), then Ireland and since 2015, Latvia.
I would describe her as faultlessly kind and emotionally dependent on me (which I think has to do as much with her innate character as with “daddy issues” caused by paternal abandonment in early childhood).
On the downside, like most women from the ex USSR, she is a hypochondriac, which I find it very difficult to endure at times. But I married her for her Ukraino-Russian looks…
As a final comment: we met through a Christian dating site, a method I feel is tainted with stigma. We’re both Protestants and we were both languishing in churching circles devoid of dating / marriage options in our respective countries, so we hadn’t much choice in the matter.
Jay,
12 years ago is ancient history, they aren’t like that today.
John Dodds,
I think you’re probably right.
The girls here in Latvia – whether Latvian or Russian – no longer get all excited if you have a British or American passport. They prefer their own tribes.
To be fair, I met my wife in Kyrgyzstan where there is a small ehnic Russian minority left. It’s the most backward hole I have ever visited in my life, but the girls there are (or were, last I visited) very sheltered.
That said, by now smartphone zombieism and the associated attention-skankery on social media has probably drifted that far east too.
Natasha Pornstarski!!!! LOL
Slavic women sell their bodies on the roads of Dubai or do Rocco videos where they are licking his rancid sweaty butthole and are paid $400.
Polish last names end in “ski”, and they sound alien in Russian. So she can’t be a Natasha unless she has Polish ancestry. Russian Jews give themselves those “sky” affixed last names, maybe to distinguish themselves from the Russian folk and to communicate to other Jews, yes I’m one of You, and maybe because most Jews in Russia come from Poland when Russia annexed a huge part of Eastern Poland at the end of the 19th century.
VLAD
Sure, Vlad. That’s why Slav women walk the roads of Dubai and other Arab cities sucking cocks.
Lmfao can find one in Mexico. Just standing on the street, in eight inch platform boots, with clear plastic lady bug ” panties “, and some tape on nipples. Speaks good Spanish with a Russian accent, rather good English as well. How she made it to Mexico…the Lord only knows. Only she does love America, has ” worked ” all her life to get here…and will keep working.
Can you say it’s worthless in Ukrainian? I can’t. But I know the word is бесполезный in Russian and wertlos auf Deutsch. If you like you can try women from Poland and Hungary and learn the word in Polish and Hungarian too. Because you see every woman that you bring into a society that has been engineered to empower her and disempower you, becomes worthless. Within a year her new western girlfriends will turn her around and against you when they explain to her what she is entitled to.
I’ve never been to the Ukraine, but beware gents. The new competition in town are rich Chinese men looking to wife up any woman other than their own (I don’t blame them). When I say rich, I mean stacks of cash flowing out the ass rich.
I believe it.
I know a recently “retired” escort who is now 24. She is hot as hell.
A rich, fat, ugly Chinese client (possibly billionaire rich) asked her to marry him. She accepted. She plans to take as much from him as she can. They maybe rich and have good business sense (for China, anyway), but perhaps not so smart?
When it comes to pussy any man is not so smart.
Yeah.
Kurt Anus.
As Tomassi stated, marriage is nothing more than male-only liability and cash and prizes for these cunts.
Ukraine was fucked and dumped long time ago. That horse already died. Time to spoil another pussy paradise.
Mongolia? LOL
Each person will have their own n=1 story (themselves or someone they know) that they will project as the truth. Some men will meet Ukrainian woman who will be loving, cook them meals, give them children, and a minimum of 5 BJs a week with sultry eye-contact, the others will divorce them and ruin them. How to differentiate….
What are the chances that a serious Orthodox Ukrainian girl, who goes to church weekly with her still together parents, reads the Bible from her own free will would divorce-rape her man?
If you meet a Ukrainian girl like that, then my guess is that she won’t divorce rape you, and in general will treat you like a man. But how many Ukrainian girls read the Bible out of their own free will? Not many. Most go to Church on a Sunday, do their duties and then spend the rest of the week working and/or trying to have fun. There is nothing wrong with that but such women will not have a problem divorcing you if they lose attraction or feel that they can do better five or ten years down the line.
Truly religious girls who read the Bible on a day that isn’t Sunday, who fast, pray at home, and vow never to divorce because they do not want to sin, are rare even in religiously orientated countries like Ukraine and Russia. I don’t think such girls (who are white) exist over here in England at all. But these are probably the best women to have kids with though, since you can be pretty sure they won’t divorce you and make your life hell. The only caveat is that you’ll have to be devout yourself otherwise she likely won’t accept you. Pretending to be religious isn’t going to be good for you, her, or your kids.
And then you better hope that she exercises and eats healthily so she doesn’t balloon up after popping out a few kids. You also better hope that she won’t nag you to death and bombard you with stupid questions daily.
Dealing with women is, religious or not, is always an uphill battle.
The southeast seems to have the best options for feminine women.