The deterrence theory of criminal law is about making an example of wrongdoers. As one British statesman put it:
Men are not hanged for stealing horses, but that horses may not be stolen.
In late 18th century Britain, there were 220 possible capital offenses. In actual fact, only about a fifth of death sentences actually resulted in execution. For the less severe crimes, there were ways of reducing the penalty. Benefit of clergy evolved into a one-time mercy allowance. Enlistment was another avenue. Surely this was a great recruitment tool for the British Navy. It’s certainly better to hoist ropes than to be suspended by one.
The following are some old-time punishments that have been effective deterrents. Some are rather harsh, so this is merely something to think about, not necessarily specific recommendations. We’ve covered flogging and the cucking stool before; here are some others.
Reciprocal penalty for false accusations
The first items in Hammurabi’s Law Code concerned false accusations.
If any one bring an accusation of any crime before the elders, and does not prove what he has charged, he shall, if it be a capital offense charged, be put to death.
If he satisfy the elders to impose a fine of grain or money, he shall receive the fine that the action produces.
Determining the truth of the matter involved a flotation test in the sacred river. Ancient Anglo-Saxon law had similar trials by ordeal. One method involved grabbing a stone from a cauldron of boiling water—one hand deep for ordinary cases, elbow-deep for serious ones. Making accusations required skin in the game.
Feasibility
Trial by ordeal is a bit outdated, though modern lie detectors don’t do much better. Still, making a perjurer face the same penalty as the falsely accused did is the major takeaway.
Who deserves it
Perjury and obstruction of justice are increasing problems. There have been countless cases where someone is accused of something dreadful, facing “trial by media” and general character assassination while it’s under investigation. Then when the truth comes out, the media that promoted the story (because it fit their narrative) is curiously silent. Meanwhile, false accusers are seldom punished. Instead, they get lots of attention and accolades. This needs to end.
Penal transportation
One way out of the death penalty for petty criminals in Britain was agreeing to be sent abroad. To pay for the trip, they would become indentured servants. This meant temporary slavery, though of course there were clever ways of increasing the nominal seven year term. About 50,000 came to colonial America this way. After the American Revolution, Australia became the destination for debtors and pickpockets.
Much was wrong with all this. However, removing troublemakers is needed more than ever before. If the tradition is revived, we’ll forego indentured servitude and just load undesirables onto troop transports.
Feasibility
Deportation of some of the following is already permissible. It’s time to enforce laws already on the books, and perhaps add some new ones.
Who deserves it
First, illegal aliens should go home, no questions asked. That’s what normal countries do, including the places they came from. Also, those recently granted citizenship who become career criminals here can leave too. “Aztlan” supporters, including participants in groups advocating Mexico’s conquest of the American Southwest, are clearly subversives who should GTFO.
Foreigners advocating Sharia law should be deported, because this contradicts Constitutional law. That’s sedition. Naturalized immigrants supporting Sharia law should go too, because they lied during their citizenship oath when they agreed to accept our legal system.
Spies should be deported, even from “friendly” countries, even merely for industrial espionage. Dual citizens in government positions who agitate for wars that benefit their other country of citizenship should leave too. Those conflicts of interest are treasonable, which is why dual citizens don’t belong in government positions. Politicians, lobbyists, or media figures covering for spies or warmongers-by-proxy should leave too.
Judicial amputation
The Middle East isn’t exactly considered a high-trust society, but theft is very rare. That’s because the thief gets a hand chopped off. It’s pretty nasty, but it works. It’s excessive to punish petty theft so severely. Unlike Sharia standards, this should be reserved for the worst cases.
Feasibility
Again, this is gruesome, though the Fifth Amendment does specifically mention “crimes punishable with loss of life or member”.
Who deserves it
Robbing a liquor store might get five years in prison. However, stealing with a pen is different. White collar crooks generally get much lighter sentences (if anything), probably served in Club Fed. This is despite stealing orders of magnitude more than the contents of a cash register and a bottle of bug juice.
Suppose that if a million dollars in economic damage is involved (theft, embezzlement, stock market manipulation, etc.), chopping off the hand becomes a possibility. That would give crooks something to think about!
This can go further; over a billion could constitute capital theft. This has precedent from British law; stealing goods of twelve pence (about the price of a silver spoon then) was a hanging offense. Keep in mind that after the banksters and Wall Street whiz kids crashed the economy ten years ago, not a single arrest followed. If they’d feared becoming lamppost ornaments, maybe they’d have reconsidered their high-stakes gambling.
Jail therapy for addicts
Whenever a Viet Cong guerrilla got hooked on opium, they’d put him in a hole in the ground for three weeks. The addicts went through withdrawal, their brain chemistry normalized, and meanwhile they contemplated their mistakes. As we’ll see, Communists are more sensible sometimes than liberals.
Feasibility
Unfortunately, jailing someone for addiction was deemed cruel and unusual punishment, according to Earl Warren’s hug-a-thug Supreme Court. The Robinson v. California case of 1962 was the first misapplication of the Eighth Amendment.
Lawrence Robinson, who had needle tracks on his arm, either confessed (according to the cop) or didn’t (according to him) to using heroin. Instead of learning from his 90 day sentence, he lawyered it up to the Supreme Court. The majority opinion ruled that addiction is only a disease. Didn’t they know that junkies usually steal to support their habit? Didn’t they realize people get hooked because they abuse illegal and dangerous narcotics repeatedly? Nope; they argued that maybe he was born that way—yes, really.
Were these bleeding-hearted judges utter dimwits? Or did they understand perfectly but push a soft-on-crime agenda for nefarious reasons? Robinson himself died of an overdose before his SCOTUS appeal was even filed. However, the Supreme Court kept it going to make their point, even though the outcome obviously wasn’t going to affect the dead junkie.
Who deserves it
Fortunately, people still do get busted for dope possession, allowing them a chance (hopefully) to unscrew their heads before they kill themselves. So should addicts.
Conclusion
The US Constitution’s Eighth Amendment forbids cruel and unusual punishment. Prolonged executions like drawing and quartering, breaking on the wheel, hanging in chains, and crucifixion are indeed excessive. However, because the Constitution supposedly is a “living document”, the Supreme Court habitually legislates from the bench, especially since the liberal Warren Court. That’s why all this won’t fly.
Finally, disproportionately severe penalties are unjust. However, it’s equally true that the law is an ass.
After the fall of modern society happens (very soon), applying truly effective prevention measures to crime will be easy in WROL situation, and I expect that that is how future “legal” trials will go to because wasting peoples time and energy guarding and feeding the malcontents in “prison” will mean that summary punishments and fitting penalties will become common place and sensible. As far as drug addicts are concerned, their addictions will be punishment enough as most will likely succumb to overdoses or bad trips or will detox and move on, addicts who live through criminal activities to pay for their addictions will likely just be summarily executed when caught by their intended “victims” or as a coincidence of their actions…Karma is funny in that that undiscriminating bitch will get what she wants and the guilty what they deserve…..Finally and ironically. We are halfway there already as few have sympathy for dead perps anymore, and that lack of sympathy is increasing daily.
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Your response has the look of intelligence, all over it, Smart Girl from Ozarks….It really does, to no one, ever. Smart maybe only in your own delusional hoodrat mind.
My joo BF is gonna get you for being mean to me!
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Ju’s must be extremely insecure when they’re constantly talking about phallus size. In general and when trolling.
Are you young and pretty enough for them ?
Second question : How long will you stay that way ?
Third question: what will happen to you when you won’t fit ?
Organ donnor ? Snuff film star ?
@smart girl ozarks
Fuckk off you juw loving traitorous bitch. You should be shot. You are not smart either.
Also, no women or homosexuals are allowed or wanted here, so fuckk off again.
Come on dude, your language makes ROK posters in general look almost as stupid as the trolls like Jew dick girl up there. Why don’t you either ignore them entirely or kill them with rapacious wit?
I’m highly impressed and terrified at the same time. How did you manage to do it?
What part of the Ozarks are you from by the way. In no way will this end up like stolen valor if you answer, I promise.
Regardless, they have to do something about the tons of FALSE ACCUSERS that get away scot free every time they get caught. They fully deserve cruel and unusual punishment for their lies.
Yawn….so much trolling on the site these days. I remember a few years ago some of the articles and comments on here use to be decent reading material. Not this spam troll anti jewish stuff all over the place. Shit gets old reading. These anti’everyone’ people are fuckin boring and unintellectual as all fuck. Pseduo-intellectuals all over the fucking place. What a waste of life.
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HANGINGS
I don’t see why most states abolished this form of execution. It is one of the most humane ones out there. And these ought to be done publicly as they have been done throughout the course of Western History, even after WWII (according to a brief internet search the last public hanging in the US was in the 1950’s in Delaware).
If the government is going to be vested with the power to legally kill people it ought to do it in a public and transparent fashion. A big portion of the death penalty is the deterrent factor. Hard to have that when the death chamber is behind barbed wire, walls, and generally free of media coverage.
THE STOCKS
Petty crime should be punished by a day and night in the stocks. Steal from the local corner store. Well your crime gets posted above your head and you get to spend an uncomfortable night in the stocks located at the public park. How many repeat offenders are you going to get with this punishment?
WORK CAMPS
The US has so many over due and necessary public projects that need attention, why don’t we get the non-violent offenders out of the jails and put them to work. I say we even pay them a fair wage. Those with technical skills can be put to useful work. Those without can collect trash from city streets, be trained to fix things like pot holes, etc. Hours of work translate to both money and credits. When a convict gets enough credits they are released. This will encourage good work and perhaps even some overtime.
BANISHMENT
If a convict has no legal right to remain int he United States they ought to be deported automatically upon conviction. If the appeals court wants to stay it fine – but they would have to take an affirmative action to do so. Otherwise it is on the next plane back to their country of origin. If they sneak back in and get caught it is off to the work camps.
The Joos r gonna get u and I will laugh when they do kick ur sorry white ass!
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We already have a number of non violent drug offenders in prison. Corporations love the prison/labor pipeline as pointed out by Paul Craig Roberts. I see your idea, but almost everything is a crime.
Death penalty always works! Problem is current society put too much value into human life. Ask urself, what would be the difference if the state executed every jihadi shitholler instead of… of whatever they get now? What u think that by killing a smelly jihadi u deprave the world of the hypothetical possibility that he invents cure for cancer or somethin? Noope, if a given criminal lives or dies is completely irrelevant to reality so why just don’t “cleanse” the irrelevant criminals and that’s it? What is the point in the false pseudomoral and philosophical gratification of the idea that u left somebody to live his live, the cost of this collective societal virtue signaling might be the jihadi making another act of jihadism, while u can just erase him and voila it’s over.
There would be a lot of black guys walking around missing hands.
Btw, nigg*rs love prison, it’s sex tourism for them.
There’s A MGTOW for black guys, it’s called NGTOW.
Basically make belgium great again: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atrocities_in_the_Congo_Free_State
What do you guys think of this?
European countries ‘suddenly’ need new laws to protect women against sexual violence
https://voiceofeurope.com/2018/08/european-countries-suddenly-need-new-laws-to-protect-women-against-sexual-violence/
It’s because of the migrant invasion that Europe needs to create tougher rape/consent laws, because these migrants do not understand our way of life.
This strategy is called “anarcho-tyranny”. One typical application is where the government does the following:
1) Tolerate street crime and accept migrants from places that are incompatible with the local culture
2) After a very predictable crisis happens because of that, keep going with item 1 but crack down on regular people to make it look like they’re “doing something”
3) Get more funding for the extra security infrastructure that’s largely ineffective against the problems caused by item 1, but great at furthering item 2
Ha ha ha, european women pushed illegal immigration! 90% here in Gemany voted for immigrant friendly parties last governement elections.
So, we don’t need new laws.
Relax and enjoy the show!
Ps: If there are mostly young women in their twenties as refugees, instead men, I would be an immigrant friendly activist too. 😀
Anything that will get the hordes of illegals out of here is something I am in favor of.
The failure to punish criminals is a way of demeaning and discouraging citizens. Often criminals might be “rehabilitated”, given education and set up with jobs while their victims continue to suffer from the losses caused by crimes.
The recent freeing a drunk rich kid who killed four innocent persons because he had “affluenza” can be seen as an effort to show the rest of us that rich elite kids have the right to drink and drive, a right more important than mere ordinary people’s lives.
Refusal to punish is a scam to debase and defeat the rest of us, preparing society for arbitrary absolute power.
It’s not a failure, it is a deliberate plan when the “justice system” of the western world do not condemn criminals.
As you said, the rich get a pass, but especially the non-whites.
Recently in Sweden, 3 somalian freaks who raped a 13yo girl until they tore her apart got only some months in prison for minors, because all invaders from muslim countries are considered minors.
While peoples who speak about muslim criminality are hardly punished, like Tommy Robinson.
Basically, western states apply sharia law, which means the muslim minority is never punished while the natives are.
I’m a big fan of deporting illegal immigrants. . . to shitty liberal countries like Canada, Germany, France and the UK. They’re all about flooding their homes with criminals, so a few more won’t hurt them.
One of those countries is “liberal” and none of them – from my experience – are “shitty.”
@a contrarian viewpoint
Piss off bitch.no women or homosexuals allowed or wanted here.
A solution to the problem of illegals that reenter the country after being gently released would be to crush their knee in a vice, warn them about getting their other knee crushed if caught next time, and RFID chip them before releasing them. That way they would be easier to identify, it would restricts their mobility, making it harder for to repeat their crimes.
If we’Re talking Persian law codes let’s brink back the boats!
Jesus, the boats… No, I couldn’t wish that on the worst, most depraved criminal. Imagine what it does to the humanity of the people who have to go back to him day after day and pump him with milk and honey. They would have PTSD.
Homosexuals and beta men that are against heterosexual, alpha masculinity should be thrown from the highest point of the town they’re in.
The lowest form of vermin.
Homos and beta who keep to themselves, I have no issue with
From your political position, telling “these and they should go” will turn in to “I dont want to be deported” very fast.
It’s not a matter of having horrible punishments. It’s a matter of freedom. Decent men have been emasculated completely, and the result is that only human garbage that do not have the long time impulse control to avoid prison in the first place are the only ones capable of acting at all. As a result they become more brazen. The average person sees this and thinks we need more horrific punishments, for more and more “crimes”. The decent men become more emasculated , the non criminal sociopaths are also freed of restraints, they start supplicating the criminal class by removing their restrictions in prison and colloborati g with big business to use the scum as slave labor.
Dont look at this and think we are soft on crime. That’s a mistake. The criminals in the jail are the punishment for YOU. Releasing them from any restraint and cinsequence is to encourage them to tear you apart if YOU make the mistake of going against the system. The system doesn’t really care about those guys bc they are animals, they put them in a cage and make use of them. They are the deterrent.
No. The solution is fathers rights, legalizing gun ownership. Decriminalize the insane drug laws. Allow parents to inflict corporal punishment. Remove the cash and prizes system of the family courts. Allows genuine free association in business. Dismantle the welfare system. Dismantle social security. Remove the restrictions on medical insurance companies to give insurence to who they wish, adopt the Thailand system of medical care. Any public education can only exist if the parents have the individual right to withdraw and use the same tax dollars on religious education. Send back all immigrants, cancel external work visas,and start breaking up those monopolies that are trying to get cheap labor at the expense of the common man.
We need more freedom, not less. We need less insane punishments and fewer psycopathic prosecutors not more. We need more courage and less terror.
Deuteronomy 19:18-21
18 The judges must make a thorough investigation, and if the witness proves to be a liar, giving false testimony against a fellow Israelite,
19 then do to the false witness as that witness intended to do to the other party. You must purge the evil from among you.
20 The rest of the people will hear of this and be afraid, and never again will such an evil thing be done among you.
21 Show no pity: life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot.
Bring back caning as an option for certain crimes (mainly offenses that would carry a jail sentence of up to 5-8 years or so). Why send a 19-year-old who commits a crime of moderate seriousness (something like sticking up a convenience store) to prison for half a decade, where he can develop into a hardened criminal and likely a lifetime of recidivism while sucking up tens of thousands of taxpayer dollars a year, when you can give him a certain number of lashes (say, one lash per 3 months of his jail sentence) and send him on his way?
I wouldn’t ever mandate caning–it would be up to the judge to give it as an option on a case by case basis, based on whether he believes it would be more likely than prison to keep society safe and potentially help the convicted turn into a productive citizen. And the convicted, if offered the choice of caning, would always have the option to accept it or serve time instead. But I think this would have the dual effect of saving a ton of taxpayer money while also allowing criminals who are not complete lost causes, particularly younger first time offenders, to endure some short-term physical pain without having their lives permanently ruined by a prison sentence.
I like Singapore’s system, you litter you are then assigned to litter patrol, theft and vandalism you are caned and possibly imprisoned as well, selling drugs you are executed.