Tuthmosis’ seminal ROK lists paved the way in matter of divining slut tells. While the signs are generally applicable to most girls under the sun, I noticed that they had a pronounced American flavour. So it is now time to expose the sluts of the East.
Eastern European girls are lovely but they remain women. I love their character and idiosyncracies. But as I am a cynic by nature, here is are some signs that you should look for that I gathered after years of observations.
1. She exposes her belly button (without being in bikini)
This one is especially relevant if the temperature is quite low. More skin exposed, more attention wanted. It is generally the mark of an especially childish and irresponsible girl.
For Eastern European girls it is quite normal to show cleavage or wear skirts, as it is a traditional feminine attribute. But the slutty belly show is quite recent as it was considered indecent (if not on a beach) in the Socialist era.
2. She is past 25 and is not married
EE considers girls over 25 who are not engaged or married to be social failures. The family members, especially the female ones, constantly remind them of it. I have observed firsthand on a few occasions girls that are in a state of depression because they did not manage to secure a husband at that age. They are significantly easier to lay as well, as they have usually a higher notch count and some kind of a despair for a cock that comes with a prospect of relationship.
3. She declares that she does not like to clean
If you see her as potential relationship material, reconsider right now. EE girls are natural at cleaning and expected to do so. “You are the man, you need to rest” is what i often hear.
If you go to hers and she says her place is a mess (and not the euphemism one) and you discover that she has clothes on the floor and everything is out of place, beware. She is careless and has probably the same behavior towards sex and protection. Also she will transmit this poisonous absence of discipline to her offspring, guaranteed. See this A.V. Yader piece for more info.
4. She can’t cook for shit
Same as above, it is expected of them to take care of their man. Their mothers have prepared them since their childhood for this. She does not need to be Gordon Ramsay, but she needs to be able to cook varied, healthy food for a long period.
5. She is well traveled, even if it is just in Europe
The only excuse she has if she traveled around is if she did it with her immediate family. The other options are previous boyfriends (loads of places, rarely with the same guy), her girlfriends (worse) or alone (the worst). If she is decent looking, she got hit on by the local guys and she did not spend her Friday nights at the library.
6. You banged her on the first night
No matter how bloody smooth you are, you should always tick when it happens and should definitely leave her in the “easy girl” box. Slut points if she was drunk (frowned upon in the East for a girl to be anything more than “very slightly tipsy”).
7. The names from her social circles are not native
Gigantic red flag. The local guys are in majority looking for a girlfriend or wife. This leaves the foreigners around her to satisfy her urges. She likes foreign culture, ergo she is partial to a foreign knob that is not designed to be static.
8. She is on Instagram
Useless look at me site. My life as a bartender in Subotica is not that interesting. How can I get more likes? Cleavage shots!
Their native place is not dashingly pretty. They need a pretty exotic place for the pictures. How do you reach exotic places when you are a pretty girl and poor?
9. She turns up to the date not dressed to the nines
If she is meeting you for a date and she is not dressed to impress, there is something very wrong going on. Flat shoes, t-shirts, jeans (not “jeggings” or tight, “elegant” jeans), sneakers… It could mean a few things: She does not see you as a romantic prospect, she could not be bothered, or that is her idea of a date outfit. Don’t listen to the “yes but if maybe” that your cock clings to. Hit the bricks.
10. She has traveled to Dubai
She was not there for the libraries either. If she is relatively pretty and you somehow did not hear about that phenomenon, read on.
11. She lives alone
Not with flatmates or with the family? Either career obsessed, divorced, or wants to avoid the neighbors’ questions. Unload and leave.
12. You met her at a “gringo” place
There might be the excuse that she followed a friend (“birds of a feather flock together”) for her birthday or “has not been there in a while.” See the “I only had three boyfriends” line.
13. She uses the word “player”
She calls you out for escalating, not by playfully delaying it but putting it in words in the “I know what you are doing” way. She calls you out on sleeping with local girls before, or tries to shame you on being sexual after meeting her even is she looks like the slutty type. She has been pumped and dumped before and recognizes a foreign smooth talker when she sees one. One that is not convincing enough this time.
14. She does not follow your plans for a date
Proposes a “better” one, shit tests you on your authority or cuts short to the date to “meet some friends.” She will compare your mettle to the local guys and the vast spectrum of her experiences, which can oscillate between play doh nice guys or gym rat criminal hooligan. You can pass with flying colors no doubt. But if you are not a priority, neither is a relationship with you.
15. She does not pay for a round
If she does not buy drinks or propose to do it or, for the most FSU or similar traditional places, at the very least say “thank you,” you are being played. Best case scenario, you’ll score once after considerable amount of times or investment. Worst case scenario, you are the warm-up before her local man rolls in.
16. She criticizes your home
Night is going fine. You bring her over, she overtly criticizes your above average flat. She is probably rude and you are unlikely to fuck (that night). Three of the many possible answers: 1) “The door is there if you don’t like it”, 2) “Don’t push it. 30 years ago, you would have lived in a Soviet block with no hot water”, 3) “There is no difference when the lights are off.”
17. She is not religious
She hates going to church and says it out loud. She claims to be an atheist or laughs at her grandmother for going to church every week. This is a woman that has turned her back one of the pillars of her culture. Don’t expect her to have any respect for yours.
18. She has been drunk, even once, to sickness
Finding a Western girl that has not done it a few times is like looking for a needle in a haystack. It is still a rare occurrence among EE girls, although the global free, independent thought is doing its work. Try to focus your efforts on a girl that actually dislikes the fact that the local guys get regularly smashed into oblivion.
The only acceptable level she should have ever reached is “a bit tipsy” when she wants to dance. Period
19. She watches too much television
The tube directs her life. Instead of being productive, planning ahead, cleaning her place or having interesting hobbies, she is constantly stuck on her couch, digesting what MTV sends her, such as Warsaw Shore.
19. She is not a patriot (or the other extreme, she is hanging out with the neo-nazi or hooligan scene)
There are a only few things that I hate more than a non-constructive anti-patriot. If the Croatian or Ukrainian girl you meet is not anti-multiculturalism in her country or does not have “conservative” views, she will always be bitter about the place or leave eventually. If she says that her country is shit without bringing constructive criticism, she will not want her family to grow like she did. The other extreme is no better. Alpha violent men all around. “Let’s do pure babies together” kind of trip.
20. She hangs out at high-end venues ALL THE TIME
Always cruising around the well-known local “sponsor” and apex predator spots and would not go to a normal bar to save her life. She hangs out around rich men or men of status and name-drops whenever she has the chance.
21. She is too Westernized
Her English is too good, even if she did not leave abroad. You notice “hipster elements” in her behavior, she has tattoos, she likes hip hop or has her hair dyed in a non-traditional colour
22. She speaks openly about sex
This is still a taboo in EE’s traditional milieu. During the Communist time, sex was the only source of entertainment that could be not be totally controlled by the state. Add to that the religious fabric that preceded and replaced it and you have a textbook taboo subject. It should also come up as a red flag if she uses the English terminology. She did not learn the world “squirting” in a book.
23. She does not want a family in the near future
Probably the biggest red flag of all the list. It is her nature and it is expected of her in that environment. If she winces at the view of small children and fawns when she sees kittens, you know what to do.
24. She speaks badly of her family
It is central in that culture. If she does not pay respect to the parents that baptized her in secret during the Soviet times or acknowledges that the previous generation had it much worse than her or is not thankful, just pump and dump.
25. She has condoms
The etiquette of raw dogging is different there, more present. Probably because the girls are relatively monogamous in comparison to the West. They feel safer with reason. But she might insist on you wrapping it up. No probs, until she pulls put her own stock.
26. She is repulsed by the idea of violence, manliness, or weapons
She does not understand that a man could fight for his family, enjoy masculine hobbies or knows how to shoot. She wants a progressive man that reads poetry and is not ashamed to cry. Guaranteed successful relationship.
27. She has a slutty professional past
She’s worked in the bar, stripper, promotions, glamor and entertainment, PR, HR, PA, hospitality, airline and modeling industry. Or she has visited or hails from the sex industry hotspots of the world – Oscar Zach
Add to that cruise ship employee, “exotic dancer”, hairdresser and anything related to cosmetics (such as “nail artist” whatever the fuck that is). This is especially true in EE, where money is notoriously tight. Her family would shame her into finding another job and would rather support her and have her live at home than seeing her in those professions.
28. She studied or worked abroad
By abroad, I mean the Western world. Philology in Germany? Highly likely Franz’s wurst was part of the package.
29. She has short hair
Why would a man want to have sex with something that looks like an underfed woman that got sheared just after the locals found out she slept with the occupying army? I still do not get it, but I know guys out there who would sleep with short haired girls. Girls that voluntarily cut their hair short are mocked there by men and women alike. Don’t think she will let it grow for you either.
30. She has manly hobbies
Martial arts, automotive sports, drinking… One the other masculine hobbies she probably has is sleeping with many members of the opposite sex and forgetting their names.
There you have it. Keep banging as you please but if you even remotely consider going after something else with those girls, hear my words.
If you can think of some that you witnessed firsthand, share it by all means. What are other anti-LTR signs you have spotted in Eastern European girls?
Read More: 6 Warning Signs A Girl Isn’t Worth A Relationship
No comments yet … So much info presented, that noone knows what to comment on …
Me being the Citizen and all, I will go beyond the obvious and talk about what really matters :
1.What do you mean “relationship material” ?? To anyone that is not in emotional distress, it has become obvious that they have absolutely no fuckin need to have someone with them all the time.
The “relationship” where “we spend a lot of time together” is mostly for people who have not had medium term relationships (many months, about a year)(like Roosh…he’s NEVER had even a medium term relationship with a woman, according to his own words) and have not yet experienced the complete boredom that you eventually feel being in such a relationship.
For people who have had relationships and who can be honest to themselves, no relationship of this type is needed. It makes them feel bad.
This sounds like a rehash of nearly every AV Yader and Tuthmosis article ever, which is funny because you even linked them. Just applied to European women. Basically, AWALT?
AV Yader – that dude CAN write
Amen to that. He’d probably be a riot to hang out with as well.
Dann right
That belly button slut doesn’t even have a belly button.
Now that’s devious
The Photoshop artist must have mistaken it for a mole.
alternatively, she might not be of woman born.
Blokes not have em?
Did you just put a Macbeth reference in the comment section of an article on Eastern European sluts ? Well done, sir.
just the fluff not the button
well spotted. Actually I didn’t remember it was from Macbeth.
I might however follow up with: “from his mother’s womb / Untimely ripped” for the next bodybuilding article on ROK
Came to post something similar.
Shes good to go. 👍
Whores.
Non-mammal, hatched, or perhaps platypus-sy?
Heh, this should entail for all women.
2.Lets take them all apart one by one :
1.she exposes her belly button = Men see that. They will go after her. You can not control her. She will have sex with someone else.
2.past 25 and not married = who IS married under 25 man ?
3.does not clean = She is garbage
4.does not cook = She is worthless
5.well traveled = she is bored of her life. She will NOT find satisfaction in staying with you. She wants the excitement of the new. EJECT
6.You banged her on the first night = she is a warm loving person, and you dislike her for it. Are you stupid ? Do you prefer some frigid woman ?
7.foreign friends = yes she ‘s fucking them. She may be responsible for miscegenation. YOU TOO should avoid procreating with someone who is not of your race
8.Instagram = propaganda has gotten to her
9.does not overdress = she is a real person. she is a keeper.
10.has traveled to Dubai = a man paid for it, and she paid with her body for it
“10.has traveled to Dubai = a man paid for it, and she paid with her body for it”
… and her entire chest was covered in feces a few times during her stay there.
Would any man want to suck her tits knowing this?
Great point. That pops into my head too.
How women get off on being “filthy” and what that might entail.
For instance, when they ask for anal, a lot of times one might not think “Go for it.” but “How many before?”
Now, after some articles here, I sometimes wonder when I see a woman walking her dog and cringe.
I equate women like that to drug addicts, always looking for a new way to get high/get off.
I can say it has been a mind-boggling shift, going from “Hey, nice to meet you. I don’t kiss on the first date.” to “So are we gonna do it now, or what? (on the first date or a fellatio attempt in the restaurant) to the pretty bizarre and/or freaky expectations many girls have today.
You may be onto something with the drug analogy, but watching the decline has been something akin to the horror of a slow-motion suicide. And has also led to me limiting my participation a bit (as in: I have no idea where that’s been…).
Funny how we came to that same conclusion.
“Funny how we came to that same conclusion.”
This article exposed it:
Muh… Lots of cultures marry around or before 25, def before 30. It’s not a death sentence if there is a logical reason you can check.
Banging on first night or banging others at all = not wife material. You are the one who’s stupid, this list isn’t for pump and dump.
Ideally she is a virgin if you are looking for a wife and mother to your children.
Even if you just want a chill relationship you don’t want some slag who will fuck your friends behind your back, has an old ex as a FWB and gets you HIV/bubonic plague/whatever.
2. In Russia it’s still the norm for women to marry in their early 20s. Screwing around until 27-28 is a western custom.
As for the 5, you’re right. I know a girl who likes travelling…
This article should be titled “31 signs you used the number 19 twice”
#1 applies to American girls as well. Just take a stroll near any college and you’ll see. Once I even got to see some chick who just got out of an indoor pool walking in her still wet bikini to her car. Did I mention it was about 45F outside? I was thinking it was just plain laziness, but that’s not it.
the Takeaway is SO SIMPLE :
What if all women are damaged nowadays ?
It makes no difference son. Band with your brothers, breed them, and take control of your children’s upbringing.
Use them as uteruses/uteri … Our nations must go on, even if our women have been damaged … You will avoid the damage in the next generation
To have kids with asian women is a DISASTER to your white genes
It’s brutal but might be true. Roosh called this one not too far back.
http://www.rooshv.com/women-have-reduced-themselves-to-sexual-commodities
Why is it a disaster? I know they have some dominant gene groups but between not having kids, or potentially getting cucked and then divorced stuck paying for someone else’s kid plus a slut?
I went Asian. Never looked back.
Judge don’t give her custody, it is for the greater good of our nation and the spirit of the human race that I keep my children and be a strong father figure… i really tried to honor our marriage and give this women everything!..
She can’t close her legs, takes anti-psychotics and bankrupted me with shopping credit…
‘bailiff, take Mr. Focker to the holding cells — Full custody is to be given to Ms Trogladite with support payments of $4000 per week and a mandatory warden dick in the ass and he is to give notice before entering hers or the children’s postcode’
This list can be just about applied anywhere in the world.
I know an Eastern European woman, she was married around 25. I banged her so is she a keeper????
Yes.
Hahahaha hahahahahahaha. Goddam man!
NO!!!!!!!!!!! If a woman’s already married with a husband. It’s NOT RIGHT to commit ADULTERY! Smh… How’d you like if someone did you like that? Amen!
The thing about this list and those like it that makes them all disheartening is the odds at finding a modern woman who doesn’t check a majority of the boxes is so slim (and getting more so even in the more traditional countries). Even taken as a composite, it’s like settling for the lesser of two terrible choices.
Do I want a girl with a high notch count but cooks/cleans and is in most other ways feminine? Or do I go with the girl who didn’t buy into the “sleeping around = empowered” bs, yet hits half the other points?
Probably the best approach is to prioritize the list and try to hit as many high priority ones as possible. Perhaps a matrix where each item on a list is prioritized and given a score. If the girl doesn’t reach a certain score she isn’t LTR material.
For me, I generally look for “body art” (including weird piercings, tattoos, hair coloring, hairstyles) from an initial superficial stance at what type of personality I’m likely dealing with along with her “circle”. Some of this can be overlooked or eliminated given time, but is it worth my effort? Most times no.
I start with no girl is LTR and allow room to prove that default assumption wrong in their case, otherwise it’s just physical.
The amount of dismissive attitude is a big no. Wanting to do house chores without discussion is a plus. Bringing up settled matters is a big no as is having an over-abundant social media presence. Being athletic is a plus (dancing, volleyball, gymnastics, swimming). Expecting me to take the lead is huge. I have ladies but no lady I want to be around more than I already am, if you take my meaning.
None that I’ve felt like risking half my stuff and future happiness over and the new crop is less appealing each year. Nice, young bodies in some cases but nothing worth building a home around.
Indeed. I’m married but if I were to get divorce raped, I’d stay single and spin plates. I guess as I’ve aged I have discovered LTR’s aren’t all the happily ever after they’re cracked up to be.
And that’s a bit of life-long propaganda I still have trouble breaking through today. I grew up being bombarded with the whole, get married, have kids, sacrifice yourself for the woman for whatever immeasurable return. It was everywhere.
Then I watched my friends suffer bitter, vile divorces that broke their already stifled spirits. Have their homes and kids taken away in cruelty and spite. Watched men I remember fighting bullies off with or cliff diving in absolute fearlessness with as kids break down whimpering over a bitch.
It’ll take a hell of a lot of convincing by whatever woman I might consider letting further in my world to prove her value to me, luckily I figured out that I get to make that choice, what I find attractive and what I’m willing to sacrifice for. Good on you to have been luckier, may you never need spin plates.
As the saying goes:
Women are the gatekeepers to sex but men are the gatekeepers to commitment. We have more power than women give us credit for.
Its tough but its our reality in 2016. Good women are hard to find. Honestly, as long as she’s not a slut and doesn’t want to be a slut, she gets major points in my book. Its not just the notch counts but the inability to bond and the selfish, impulsive decision making disqualifies any girl that seems a little slutty.
Cooking and cleaning are big on my list too but not really dealbreakers. If I meet a 7+ with less than 10 notches, I can work with her. Cooking classes and cookbooks can teach her some skills.
I agree.
The cooking/cleaning aren’t deal breakers, I’m pretty adept at both, it’s more about attitude, the being willing to do it.
I think you hit the nail square with “selfish,” that to me, is the deal breaker, so showing the desire to want to do something kind for me without wanting anything in return is a big deal.
I think women are generally bad at decision-making, but that small decisions are allowable to a point, like buying a new pair of shoes or picking out cushions, but things like building a pool house or taking on a mortgage (never happen) should rest with me.
You are generous beyond what’s needed. Cushions are interior decoration, beware not at least securing veto. Shoes? Ask me, so long as it ain’t manolo blahnik I’ll probably say yes.
And the cleaning thing… Really don’t want to be picking up after a slob, so be careful.
But selfishness is a good total deal breaker for sure. Selfish women make shitty mothers and bratty kids.
If NE Asia is an option see my list above, and reading it remember that it’s not that hard to fulfill my list there. My wife did, and then some.
Figuring out her motivation is key, which is something I never did in the past. Probably because I just didn’t know better and dated self-involved tramps.
For example, my wife isn’t better at cooking than me (but that is to be expected with a 10 year age gap), but keeps trying new things and learning because in her words, she “wants to be a good wife.” Now that she is done with school, she’s been hitting the gym hard because she “wants to be skinny for me.” She’s been saying shit like that since we started dating 4+ years ago and it still kind of throws me off every time because I am cynical from all the past broads. How long it lasts, well, we’ll see…
That’s good advice.
I’ve actually been with girls from several Asian countries with various success. One Japanese girl was great but I was 17 at the time to her 19 (far from interested in LTR or permanency), a couple of South Koreans made for easy interaction and were very hygienic on top of feminine, probably had the best time with either the girl from Thailand or the one from Vietnam though that was a few years back and I’ve since grown more wary of Asians, not to mention I have a weird personal preference for freckled redheads.
Convert to Islam and find a nice beautiful hijabi wife in the west.
Islam is doing a good job of making itself unwelcome in the West.
We’ve got enough hijabis already, no more.
Actually Muslims aren’t marketing Islam, the left is trying to keep you away from Muslims. They do head of herring propaganda, for example, they take extreme examples they can find and say it’s all Muslims. They don’t cover Muslims protesting or killing Islamists like Saudi killing 800 alqaeyda recently. There is a reason – the left is frightened for it’s existence that right wing write people who they work hard to blue pill discover Muslims – defiant people like Gamer Gate who don’t give a fuck that the left will give them a bad reputation, don’t let anyone black mail them and change how they live. If Red pilled Muslims and the right came together, the right wold return to Orthodox, greek Catholic churches, churches with a Latin mass, and so on. Women would think virginity is cool again and being marriage material and not a feminist slut is cool again.
The left reproduces asexually – they don’t have kids due to their dysfunctional ideology, they have to infect naive new immigrants and naive children of conservatives entering university. Conservatives produce sexually, that’s why they are “good intentioned morons” who fall into every liberal trap. Conservatives are busy working, taking care of their families. Leftists play with their cats. Indoctrinating the new generation, dividing and conquering minority conservatives from white conservatives is a matter of survival for them. Only 7% of journalist in the US identify as Republican. Republicans go out there and make money, reproduce through having kids. Leftists reproduce by becoming professors and brainwashing the next generation. They have all sorts of disinformation, sabotage, divide and conquer strategies, play games.
Notice how all criticism of Islam from the right comes from a feminist blue pill prospective. You never hear “Muslims are cucks” or “Muslims in academia are beginning to leave religion and follow jewish left SJW steps” or something. There are valid right wing criticism of Muslims, but I never hear it from the right wing… meaning who taught them about “Islam is bad”? Feminists & left. Feminists & left blurred the line between radical Islamists SJWs & criminals of Muslim countries, and deliberately confused with regular conservative normal red-pilled Muslim law abiding families. Divide and conquer. Simple. Now the odds are Hillary 70% vs Trump 30%, although people are excited about Trump, haven’t seen a single excited Hillary supporter, and most of her supporters call her a criminal.
As for Hijabis — scare sluts by showing interest in hijabis the proper way. It works. When feminist realize men have options, the normal girls who want a husband leave. You need leverage. Feminists and the radical left like to plan five moves ahead of you. Why not cause a privilege conflict and mess up their heads like when Roosh pretended he held an RoK event at a mosque?
‘The left’ isn’t doing anything to me, thanks.
The rest of your post is a mess, you’ve just thrown together some words and topics, that you think people want to hear.
Islam is a supremacist ideology, and has no place in the West. That’s my point of view, and it isn’t changing because you say hijabis are traditional and “muslims never cucks”. Get out of here with that garbage.
Feminism is marxism, divide and conquer. Divide society into men and women and make them enemies. Well Ukrainian facist battalions would disagree with you. Azov and Right sector have Wahabi Chechens fighting with them side by side. In Ukraine there is not left, everyone is nationalist, and supports white nationalists. The society is united. But you prove to me how weak you are, if everyone on the right is like you, you will all be divided from other conservatives and nationalists who have the same conclusion as you. And you will continue living under the boot of the left.
Enjoy Hillary Clinton’s win. Leftists divide society into groups, gender, religion etc. And then demonize them to each other. I mean I am told everyone on this site want to kill and rape women and are Hitler and want to send all minorities from blacks to Jews to Auschwitz. I know the left that demonizes and lies about me logically must do it to others as well.
You can continue being a fool. I pity you, but not everyone here is a fool like you. We have also many conservative Obama and Islamist hating Muslim fools who are afraid of Trump because the left wing media exaggerated true things, like Trump retweeted someone who retweeted someone who had a picture of trump putting Bernie in a gas chamber and said they were KKK people at Trump rallies (which right wing sites caught and published that they were black Bernie sanders supporters in hoods).
How do you about a people you never sat down with, never talked to before you talked to me. What do you know about us? Only what your media tells you. Left wing media tells Arabs that vote Hillary because Trump will send us to Auschwitz. I personally think if those leftists lie about us and twist facts … maybe they lie about other groups as well to divide and conquer.
“Get out of here with that garbage”. Emotional. I got to you, using logic. SJWs always react like that to me when I say something against their dogma. When I say something stupid, the most I hear is LOL or a down vote by people who think what I said was stupid. The only people who bother to respond more and are emotional, and disagree – it means I got to them and invalidated their feelings. Sadly I am not a feelings person, been through too many wars.
Maria is an expert in everything, especially in women. LOL
Calm down Maria.
I’m hoping for and expecting a Trump victory, otherwise we’re all doomed, whether we agree or not.
If he doesn’t win, we have to keep fighting and keep dismantling the establishment, not get co-opted like the tea party did, and make Hillary’s term 4 years if she wins. Never give up, never surrender, fight to the death you’ll win alive.
I’m keeping my notch count low so I can have the moral high ground. Mine’s so low (I was fat for a looooong time, but recovered nicely) that I doubt many girls are below it that aren’t virgins (which is my target). I can say “Well, I’ve been with X girls and I’m looking for someone around there” is a nice way to be able to dismiss hoes without seeming hypocritical. We all know here that women have mental damage from multiple partners, and men don’t, but that’s a hard sell to the equality crowd.
There’s no such thing as moral high ground with women. You’re either attractive or you’re not and low notch count is unattractive. Even the most prude virgin wants to be in a relationship with a sexually experienced man. Leading with that info will basically paint beta bux on your forehead. Be careful.
Good points. I don’t advertise it unless I have to. I’m not sure low notch count is unattractive to virgins.
Women secretly like men who are attractive to and have been with many women. Rock stars lose no street cred for being slutty
there are a lot of normal Muslim women, come on. Convert to Islam and marry a Muslim hijabi. They are feminine, beautiful. Very strong personality, won’t take crap from jokers, but not aggressive, feminine & assertive (that’s why they managed to resist feminist pressure). Strong family values, love beauty, to better themselves, value literature, classical study, great cooks, most are virgins at marriage. If you marry a hijabi Muslim abroad you don’t have to deal with Sharia law and you have a nice red-pilled wife, a beautiful long haired girl from an alpha culture. Some Arab dances are about moving long hair – as in assume that no girl has short hair.
Islam and Muslims have short circuited your cynical reasoning by requiring that male converts get circumcised 😉
If there was an alternative to Islam… a ritual of coming of age would be a deterrent. Azetcs had what, cliff jumping with a vine attached to the foot instead?
However, in the west, the alternative is women brainwashed by feminism. To find white allies as an Arab to counter left establishment, cucks and feminism – I often have to communicate with white supremacists, and it’s so much easier to talking to one than trying to convince a leftist to have balls. Because racists were hated on anyway, they didn’t change their ways for peer pressure, so they persevered healthy traits of society’s past like being red-pilled. So I start with explaining how feminism caused a white-self-genocide, few kids, and then being replaced by a sea of migrants.
If you are going to look at women not affected by feminism, you have to look at women vilified and hated by feminists who told feminists to go to hell. That would be Muslim women. What you can do is show feminists you don’t have to take their crap, foreign wives like Phillipinas abroad and Muslim women in the west can replace them. You have create leverage. If RoK does pieces on Muslim Wife game – and there is a noticable number of white men going to mosques to basically learn how a red-pill pastor works to shame blue-pill ones — but it is put in Jezebel as “white men considering Islam in droves to marry a non-feminist woman”. This threat can get some nicer women to leave feminist and make it a movement where SJWs go to become single cat ladies.
In great deal making, you need leverage man. just ask Donald Trump.
I live in the South Pacific, where there is a nation called Vanuatu. There an important trial of manhood is to jump head first from a crudely constructed tower about 40-60 meters high, with a vine attached to one’s ankle. The vine is just the right length to prevent to stop the fall about 2m from the ground. Tourists are charged money to witness this ritual.
Eastern European women are on the same scale of the average western bimbo from about a decade ago.
They’re even worse when they live in the west since their exotic appeal raises their smv.
I think sometimes when you have to spend all day staring at a sewer, you may start to imagine garbage cans as cookie jars.
actually quite a few of the ones who go to church in Ukraine and Poland are decent. The ones who move abroad, I agree. In Ukraine avoid Odessa, and you are fine
#31 She’s East European
The cancer that has killed the West is well on its way to the east.
It’s on its way to the Philippines as well…
We might need to rethink our strategy, poosy paradise is going extinct.
The better strategy for the future might be something like developing Pre-Nup Game…
https://www.buzzfeed.com/mattortile/geraldine-roman
Sorry to hear about the Philipines. For quite sometime that was the best stronghold while every other part of the planet was turning to shit
Nah Philippines is just fine. Was there 6 months ago. 60 year old dudes are still banging cute 18 year olds.
There are a ton of trannies. It’s an excepted part of their culture. They call them gays.
Thanks for the intel and glad to hear that. I’ve heard similar things about Thailand actually. Hopefully they manage to keep their Catholic roots, which I think helps them stay family oriented and not Starbucks oriented.
I am married to a Filipina who has a transgendered sibling. They are called Baklas not gays. Homosexual men are gays there; they are not trannies.
The biggest support for their resistance to the western rot is their no divorce. If you marry once and done it solves so many social problems men face in the west.
I lived there for 4 months. Every girl called them gays.
Contract game
Ladyboy for congress. Awesome! Not.
If we could somehow ban women from using smartphones…
Yep, and they would go back to nattering endlessly on the telephone and watching bullshit soap operas. Problem solved.
You can’t carry a landline with you nor a television. There is a difference.
You can carry a cellphone with you. Or a bullshit women’s mag. Or a romance novel. Or you (she) can bring her friends with you.
Trust me mate, women will still be women without smartphones. Don’t know if you remember the pre-smartphone era but women were sluts and bitches then too.
Time to leave the “guns kill people” argument behind brother.
You can’t deny that the degeneration of Western women has been accelerated by portable technology.
I remember them, quite well, and they had more attention spans than they have now and were nowhere near as conceited (thank you social media).
You really are addicted to the iPhone aren’t you Bob? It’s not the object, it’s how the individual uses it, we’ve been over this ground before. I’m against gun control but if somebody goes out shooting up random people I don’t think that the acts should be overlooked because he owns a gun.
Guns makes it much easier for people to kill each other, and smartphones tend to aggravate women’s behavioural problems. This has been very obvious with my woman since she got her iphone. Sometimes I feel like I am minding a kid who got addicted to his favourite toy. (“No dear, you cannot play with you teddy bear while pooping. Let him wait for you outside.”)
You should control your woman whether she has a smartphone or not.
Come on man you can neither measure or prove that. Human memory is a terrible source of information. That said, it would seem that women’s attention span has improved since you think they pay undivided attention to it. In any case I remember women nattering endlessly on their smartphones. Now they are blissfully silent. How can any man complain about that?
Who would ever overlook murder because the man owns a gun? That’s absurd.
You can’t prove that it has. You can only suppose. I contend that this degeneration of humanity is caused by democracy not technology. Plato predicted such.
yeah Im going to have to agree that social media has made things worse. its not that these problems didnt exist before, its that social media has made them worse. it makes literally just about everyone an attention whore no matter what sex they are. whereas before this wasnt near as easy to do. it’s also debateable whether or not cell phones are actually a good thing given what we’ve seen happen with them in their very short 10-15 year existence into the mainstream everyone’s home existence. i say that because i well aware they existed in the 90s and maybe before but it wasnt until 2000 and later that they entered into everyones home.
unlike say guns which have an undeniable benefit and no real downside(people will kill people no matter what). however i do wonder how many ADHD entitled attention whores we’d have without you know facebook to validate every fart, piss, and shit they take.
i do agree with you democracy is a huge problem(america was originally a republic and for good reason and there is a big difference between the two). democracy is also rarely brought up as a bad thing which might make it worse.
Yes of course, and in doing so, I can see that a smartphone encourages certain bad behaviours in her.
I don’t understand what kind of point you are trying to make with this comment.
Your assertion here is irrational. A smartphone is an inanimate object. The word “encourage” is a verb, which describes an act. An inanimate object cannot act. Therefore, it is impossible for a smartphone to encourage anyone to do anything.
As for the point I made, well it is no wonder you don’t understand a point that is simple on its face, when you don’t understand basic English and logic. I mean that sincerely and not as an insult.
Are you changing the subject? Where did I mention social media?
Cellphones are about 40 years old and they were ubiquitous in the 90s. I had my first phone around 1994.
While English is not my native language, I know it more than well enough to understand what you are writing. It is just that I cannot see how the statement “you should control your woman whether she has a smartphone or not” could be an argument against what I wrote, that having a smartphone tends to influence a woman’s (in this case my woman’s) behaviour in an undesirable way. If it is really true that you are not trying to be insulting, but to have a serious discussion, you could try to explain what you mean in a little more detail.
I simply cannot believe that anyone who DOES understand basic English and logic could fail to understand what I was trying to express in my last post. So the question is why you choose to pick on details in my language, instead of discussing the actual question. That is a very cheap way of debating which, I think, is unworthy of a page RoK.
(Besides, it it not true that inanimate objects cannot “act”. E.g., “Sunshine encouraged a perceptible growth of flowering plants.” (E. K. Kane, Arctic Explorations II, 1856, quoted in the Oxford English Dictionary))
Why do you keep banging on about “control your woman”?
The reason I said it is because I could see from the your first post that arguing with you would be pointless and this was confirmed in the explanation you made in your second comment. Inanimate objects do not act regardless of what Mr Kane thinks.
In other words, arguing with you is pointless because you, like other SJWs (yes that’s what you are) will take people down in an ever decreasing circle of irrational assertions in which you never actually deal with argument put in front of you. You will focus on unimportant yet obvious details (“what do you mean by control your woman”) to draw attention away from the fact that simple logic devastates your argument.
It is ironic that you accuse me of picking on details yet you do the same yourself, almost as if you were anticipating the charge being leveled against yourself and decided to get yours in first.
Believe it or not, in a debate language is important. Do you expect to have a sensible debate while misusing terms?
I’ve lived through it and can attest that the worst denegration occurred before smartphones or even the internet. Anita Hill was a watershed moment when American women started treating beta males who approached them for dates like total dirt. This was in 1994.
The reason for this is that unlike in EE, America was the perfect storm to make women awful: A strong economy to provide lots of jobs, baby boomer men with good jobs and Gen X women who came to set the expectation that they could all have good careers AND marry up in income. Many EE women have unrealistic expectations of men but these are shot down by day-to-day reality. In the states, for a brief period of time between 1970 and 1990, women really could “have it all” and this all collapse around Y2K due to demographics and economy mismanagement on par with the former USSR.
You kids… you hate modern technology but back in the late 90’s, women got approached all the time because there was no internet dating or facebook and… they were tough. A woman who was a 5 would get hit on a half dozen times a year and they had high expectations.
That’s not to say things are peachy-keen now. We’re in the middle of an economic meltdown combined with a post feminist culture where most young people don’t even remember what it was like before. I at least had parents and aunts and uncles who were normal.
Or Government the true perpetrator?
Yeah, women will be women regardless. But smartphones enable them to express and exercise some of their worst traits and habits. Take away their phones and they’ll be forced to practice reality for longer periods of time. Smartphones and Social Media have become a “culture” and engaging in it warps the menatlity and behavior. Women would be easier to deal with all the way around if they didn’t have cell phones.
Exactly. . .Thay aggravate womens behavioral problems. That was what I was trying to say. And like everything else, they use the excuse that it’s there for their engaging in it and turning into whatever it is you want to call what they’ve become.
True, it’s up to the man to control the woman. I compare smartphones/social media with an alcoholic and beer. Try to take it away from them or convince them that’s it’s destroying their lives and relationships and they’re gonna argue with you. Same with women: The Technology is out there, using it is particularly bad for female psychology, and they figure it’s all OK because it exists. Now, when you end up disciplining a women as a result of her being screwed up from being online all the time, and she’ll go home and pacify herself by GETTING ONLINE AGAIN! So there’s no chance of her ever straightening out. I swear if the internet and phone connections shut down for one hour, they’d be screaming and cutting their wrists.
The technology is particularly addictive to women and damaging to female psychology. I agree, it’s not the gun, it’s the person using it. The conundrum with phones/internet is how do you get them away from women? They’re addicted, and as addictions progress, the person becomes more and more dysfunctional. For women, phones/internet are as damaging to women and the people around them as crack is to a crack addict.
I see smartphones as a pacifier. I hand one to her and she shuts the fuck up.
Good point.
“If we could somehow ban women from using smartphones…”
how about we just ban smartphones all together? phone calls and voicemail only.
Im seriously thinking smartphones are evil. I question what good they really have brought to society. sure its amazing I can type from a smartphone here, have access to the internet, GPS, texting, video chat and so on….but at what cost? attention whoring on facebook? people text instead of talk? its nearly impossible to go out with people today and not have their cell phones come out which kills conversation or just enjoying where you are….speaking of how about a concert? no one goes to enjoy it anymore, they go to record it.
smartphone and internet addiction i think are going to cripple us and be the final nail in the very big coffin that is america.
you know….in the 90s I went on a cruise with my old man….no cell phones….guess what that meant? work couldnt call him(he owns a small business), mom couldnt call us. guess fucking what? the world kept on ticking, his business didnt crash, mom didnt cheat on him.
contrast that to today? went on a road trip for a week with a friend…..had to call his girl every fucking day. his parents daily. his boss called him bitching up a storm and paid for his ticket back so he could leave a day early from his vacation. also had to record and take a picture of everything. when he left….having gotten frustrated at that mentality(i still had 2000 miles to go as we went north before going east…traveling back home from school)….i hardly took a picture, and even turned off my phone got lost and freaked out a total stranger by crashing at their yard for half an hour.
seriously….what good have cell phones done? i seriously wonder this.
What about the education system leading to this mentality in the first place?
I’m 100% behind you on that. Smartphones are changing our society for the worst in many different ways. Cells phones, pagers, yeah. Smartphones and Social Media are the technology that Neitzche and Heidegger warned us about.
hmmm….Im sure I have heard of Neitzche and Heidegger but I can’t recall…what did they say about smartphones or technology?
but glad we are in agreement. glad some souls get it.
“What about the education system leading to this mentality in the first place?”
completely true. the education system is intentionally designed to make people stupid. of course parents pawning off the education of their children to the government is a big factor too.
In their day, technology was electricity and water pumps for wells. But the application of “techology” to human life takes away abilities and behavior that makes us “Human.” That’s all. And it makes sense, when you consider that without say, a car, you’d have to reorganize you’re entire life and way of doing things. Cell phones and social media are technologie that are bringing people to the extremes of antisocial behavior, while giving us the illusion that we’re more connected with others.
ah I see. well yes that makes sense. though I dont like that, because there is the very real argument that all technology is evil and you certainly do see that.
i just think some forms of technology have wrought more havoc and evil than good. not all.
10 points! Freakin’ yeah. Make them get a license or take some impossible exam to qualify for a smartphone.
Its Globalism. We need to make ourselves an island and bring others to the truth. There is no escape and we are all complicit, no sidelines in this fight.
“no sidelines in this fight”
Indeed. I suspect war will come in the next 10 – 15 years.
The only places that are not infected with this cancer are islamic countries, where masculinity and femininity are still highly valued. Most of the points listed above simply do not apply to muslim girls.
The drawback is sharia of course, and society in general.
Nothing says masculine like holding hands with other men, sitting in each other’s laps, cowering to strong male authority, and raping little boys and livestock, am I right?
They also kiss each other on the lips when they greet one another.
Imagine that in America…”hey Steve” *pecks on the lips*
Kissing were always a former of greeting
“The drawback is sharia of course, and society in general”
You might very well be correct. I would not want to live in a Sharia society though despite the fact the women are traditional.
I put it to you also. Why?
Bob what are toy talking about?
You made a statement about Sharia society and I’m asking you your reasons why.
No doubt sharia societies are stable. But I would never feel comfortable living under sharia law. I’m a christian. Am I saying I am better than everyone else? No. But simply put, my roots are christian and prefer to be among my fellow christians, despite the fact christian culture and society are in a major decline.
Because you are Christian most tenets of Sharia law would not apply to you.
“Because you are Christian most tenets of Sharia law would not apply to you”
But plenty of discrimination will. Ask anybody who lives as a minority in a muslim culture.
In a stable Sharia society you would follow Christian law, that means you’d have to go to church.
I am a sufi. I don’t have much of a problem but its kind of being like Muslim when you have Donald Trump running for office every once in a while. Yes he’s harmless to law abiding people but a lot of Muslims get spooked by the jokes of his supporters. I think maybe Saudi Arabia is not for you. Iran is messed up and sovietized but Jordan has a thriving Christian community based on early Christian rituals and a Christian minority community. Stay the hell away from Pakistan and Iraq, the most messed up Muslim countries in the world.
Thanks for the warning. Best option is be in a culture where one is not the minority.
You Sufis are far from typical.
It is true that maybe 10% of Egypt and the upper middle east are Christian. But this is a community that has endured a lot of Islamic violence and rightly fears more violence. A major problem is that Arab Christians are on average better educated and wealthier than Arab Muslims who do not enjoy oil revenues. This gives rise to the most toxic emotion there is: envy.
Mubarak, Sadaam Hussein, and Assad were all relatively kind to their Christian minorities, and this too bodes ill for Arab and Coptic Christians.
There is no Christian counterpart to sharia. There was, 300-1000 years ago, when many things abhorent to an interpretation of Christianity were criminalised by the state.
Roman Catholicism has canon law, but the notion that canon law should be part of the law of the land is pretty much extinct.
For Protestants, there is no operative notion of religious law.
I am not qualified to comment about Orthodox Christianity, which includes nearly all ME Christians.
depends in a Muslim community and in India as well, you’d follow canonical codes. Typically they are Orthodox or Catholic. Some Muslims are Greek Catholic, Catholic, Maronite Catholic. The end result is Arab Christians are very good strong fighters in battle.
long term, yes. Short term, travel where you can make money, but always have work skills that are needed internationally so you can always find work and your passport, suitcase and saving read to leave if something bad starts to happen.
Discrimination is a natural part of life. We all discriminate all the time. Careful here mate, you are straying into SJW territory here.
Yeah I hear ya about mentioning discrimination. And you are correct – all firms of discrimination is unfortunately a way of life.
Yeah you’d just pay the jizya tax
And this:
http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=3bb_1379478168
That doesn’t really mean anything does it? Do we malign all Germans because of the Holocaust? Or if a man rapes a woman all men are to blame? That’s the same rationale.
And you are aware that there is a war going on in Syria? I know that I don’t need to explain to you about the atrocities that occur frequently during war.
Is Sharia Law really a drawback? People often invoke it when talking about Islam but no one ever says specifically what is wrong with it. Here’s a primer
Sounds terrible right?
yeah Sharia law is great and all…..Bob you forgot the part where they murder you for virtually anything. it’s Allah or bust over there. you also forgot where they rape boys too because Praise be to the all mighty Allah.
what you posted is a brochure. I expected better of you as you usually make good posts.
and you believe everything Liberal media says about Sharia law. lol. Yes, there are problems with it for sure, but its not what liberals say it is
so those videos of christians being beheaded is just clever video editing?
Head of herring propaganda is taking one case somewhere and saying the whole world works like it. Brilliant marxist tactic to divide and conquer, that’s why the left managed to plot, dominate academia, media, etc. I am half Russian. So how it works: black gangsters attack people in a neighborhood, and keep attacking people as they have no father figures, children of single mothers, killing lots of women and kids in the process of the shootings. Then they attack police after they have their hands up, their friend comes from behind and shoots the police, they keep doing this. Then gangsters bring sympathetic pro gangster journalists, they have some idiot walk up to police, police shoot him, and they say “Hands up don’t shoot! White cops are evil”.
If I was a South Korean villager and never heard of what’s going on internal American politics, had no awareness of the context, some anti-American activist forwards me a graphic video of a black guy raising his hands and a white cop shooting him… I would say “wow white people are so evil. Gee we have them in the big city in Seoul, why do we even allow white people there, they are evil and dangerous.”
Only 7% of journalists are Republican what you see is not what it is. For example, is how mainstream media twists things out of context about Trump and GamerGate how they really are? Trump really said “Muslim ban” because Obama really messed up security and it needs to be fixed. He also said it was temporary. He did not say “Muslims in auschwitz” and gas chambers as the left keeps falsely implying he did to get conservative minorities to vote Hillary against their wishes. Divide and conquer. The left are brilliant, evil, plot 12 steps ahead of you. Real Saul Alinski and he isn’t the most devious leftist out there and you’d be shocked how they play everyone. I caught and now have been proven that Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch are the project of Iran, and I attest they have activists who don’t agree with them kidnapped by radical Islamists.
Difference between a Muslim and in Islamist is one is a conservative Abrahimic person and the other is a marxist hiding behind religious symbols. Islam managed to preserve itself and is similar to Coptic Othrodox Christianity, because the Koran said you can’t change an cuckify it to find in better with modern cuck trends. Muslims, like Trump and Gamergate, refuse to bow down to the left, so they are vilified, but they have a normal life and happy families like Trump who is vilified and does his own thing. Meanwhile the Cuckservative establishment have watered down everything, everything, everything, broken families, losing their free speech… and the left still hates them and still takes, takes, takes.
If you are red-pilled you are going to have the left try to smear you in so many ways, so creatively, some may stick to you. I used to work for two left wing parties, and I am half Russian, my grandfather was a colonel in the Russian army and a professor in the military academy.
Sorry to disappoint you. But what I posted is a summary. Sadly I don’t have the time or the expertise to write a full and complete treatise on Sharia Law for you. But you can research yourself.
You missed the point. Sharia Law itself, as you can see is actually fairly benign. Lets not forget that Christianity encourages similar behaviour but for centuries in the name of God we were murdering people for virtually everything. Rape boys? My friend have you ever heard of the Catholic Church?!
My other point. You look daft if you are constantly complaining about Sharia Law without actually knowing what it is. Its like worrying about the boogeyman. People say “but what about Sharia Law” like it is a given that somehow Sharia Law is evil and oppressive. But when you look at the details it is incredibly red pill.
while i see what you are saying….you are partly correct. Islam appears red pill on the surface and even appears good but it actually isnt. the religion is quite violent.
the violence of the old testament isnt comparable. and the new testament is noticeably less violent than that.
the religion of Islam glories in war. they actively seek war and it says to do as much in their scriptures. the bible has war, but it is as a reaction to something. people sin so God exacts vengeance. Moses brings hell to liberate people. anytime God’s people of the bible go on unholy unjust war crusades God sends them a prophet to correct the course or just lets them suffer their fate.
I know it is a popular notion to ascribe the bible as a book of war….in reality it is not. the wars in the bible and the violence of the bible always comes about because the people fail to keep the peaceable commandments so war ensues turning God into a general and having to lead His people into battle. Jesus tries again to tell people to love their neighbor but they never do. we still don’t
The quran has no such backstory of peace. that religion straight up just wants war.
Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.
Muslim (20:4645) – “…He (the Messenger of Allah) did that and said: There is another act which elevates the position of a man in Paradise to a grade one hundred (higher), and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to the height of the heaven from the earth. He (Abu Sa’id) said: What is that act? He replied: Jihad in the way of Allah! Jihad in the way of Allah!”
Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, “Kill any Jew who falls under your power.” Ashraf was a poet, killed by Muhammad’s men because he insulted Islam. Here, Muhammad widens the scope of his orders to kill. An innocent Jewish businessman was then slain by his Muslim partner, merely for being non-Muslim.
Tabari 9:69 “Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us” The words of Muhammad, prophet of Islam.
Read more at http://janmorganmedia.com/2014/05/proof-islam-evil-violent-intolerant-straight-koran/#E8zPTY3cGR3HO23k.99
the point here is….that is a far cry difference from Moses who basically says free my people from slavery and bondage or else. or even Jesus who voluntarily dies instead of gaining worldly power.
more can be said on this I am sure…but not much else matters till you understand Islam wants to kill us and has no delusions about it.
Let me ask you this (and I am sure that your sources are correct), can you tell me about all of the wars that Islamic regimes have started in the past century and tell me how they have been more destructive than those regimes which are nominally Judeo-Christian?
Can you then compare the killings of non-Muslims by Muslims to the killings of Christians by Christians for believing in the wrong version of Christianity?
“Islam” wants to kill us? You are saying that a concept wants to kill us? How is this possible?
Or do you mean “every Muslim wants to kill us”? If so, do you seriously believe 23% of the World’s population is planning to murder the other 77%?
Lastly, do you really believe fighting per se is bad? Sometimes you need to fight don’t you?
so lets look at the crusades…largely thought of as a christians gone wild murder spree….some suggest it was really a fight against Islam
warning that video is 45 minutes long
“”Islam” wants to kill us? You are saying that a concept wants to kill us? How is this possible?”
look at the quoted scriptures above
“Fighting is prescribed for you”
“and the elevation between one grade and the other is equal to the height of the heaven from the earth. He (Abu Sa’id) said: What is that act? He replied: Jihad in the way of Allah! Jihad in the way of Allah!””
““Killing Unbelievers is a small matter to us””
unlike the bible which only authorizes killing when sin occurs and it normally has to be rather serious sin versus “killing unbelievers is a small matter to us” Moses fights to liberate a people in slavery….Islam as a religion kills unbelievers because it is a small matter to them. MURDER IS A SMALL MATTER….so despite what their fancy brochure says…their quran says otherwise. granted I don’t read hebrew and arabic so I have to rely on blogs and english postings of the quaran but still. their general hatred towards the west of the past many years is also questionable.
“Or do you mean “every Muslim wants to kill us”? If so, do you seriously believe 23% of the World’s population is planning to murder the other 77%”
as far as this statement goes….i think human history proves that yes most of us are actively seeking to murder the rest of us. rarely has there been a peaceful time anywhere on this planet. 95% of the time we are at war or on the verge of war. the notion that 23% would be actively trying to kill the remaining 77% is not that far fetched when the whole of our written history involves more war torture and suffering than anything else.
“Lastly, do you really believe fighting per se is bad? Sometimes you need to fight don’t you?”
I never said i believed that so my apologizies if that how it came across. fighting is not bad per say, and especially in the name of the self defense. fighting is fine as it is needed….but pointless senseless fighting? no there is nothing good about it except in sports which i think fulfills our natural competitive need. granted yes the bible spouts turn the other cheek which i dont entirely understand, but we can compare to that ““Kill any Jew who falls under your power.”” so one book can be argued that it is striving for peace unlike the quaran.
Islam as a religion and concept seeks war.
does every last Islamic person seek to kill us? who knows. some may not read the quaran. who knows…but the root of the religion seeks our heads.
Im really not sure how anyone can say it is a religion of peace when their quaran says otherwise….either that all these english translations are dead wrong.
Let me put it another way. A concept cannot think and cannot act. Only men can. Therefore what is written in the Qu’ran or the Bible is largely irrelevant. It is what men do that is important.
Thanks for posting the video but I do not have time to watch it. That said I have studied the crusades in some detail and religious persecution of all kinds was a major theme for thousands of years, irrespective of the religion. The point is that men love to kill others for their beliefs. This is an unfortunate flaw of humanity in general rather than Islam specifically.
Your response to my 23% question shows that you concur.
I think that virtually every major religion is a religion of violence. At some point the adherents want to kill those who will not convert.
“Therefore what is written in the Qu’ran or the Bible is largely irrelevant.”
this is where you lose me. the bible doesnt ever condone violence. the story of the bible tends to go…..people sin….God says straighten out….people give God the middle finger….God says fuck you too and lets them burn all the while still trying to tell them HEY LISTEN GUYS…..though on the odd occassion they arent giving God the middle finger they are getting attacking constantly and must fight back
the Quaran seems to be….do they praise Allah?….if not kill them. the concept of the Quaran is very much burn anyone for any reason if they are not Allah followers. Jihad and 72 virgins for all who kill people. the context is radically different from the bibles self defense approach or it’s free will and agency approach to affairs.
yes a concept itself cannot physically do anything….but those that read a book full of one concept aka the quaran and it’s mass murder everyone concept and philosophy…..they tend to turn into mass murderers.
it is like the church of satan will get on tv and claim it does not worship satan….fanfuckingtastic….too bad your name says otherwise. it would be like your bible saying you need to sacrifice babies….sure as a concept it is harmless because concepts are harmless…but if that is your religion you yourself are not harmless.
Im not saying ban the quaran because 1st amendment should trump everything but the idea that we can peacefully live together with muslims is likely a pipe dream at best.
Well some people disagree with you. Some say that not only does the Bible contradict itself but that in parts it does promote violence. Some others disagree with what you say about Islam. Who is right? You?
Your analogy about the Satanists is incorrect. A Satanist would not say he does not worship Satan because then he wouldn’t be a Satanist. More likely, he would say Satanism isn’t violent. I’m pretty sure you will find Satanists that say that.
I have been living peacefully with Muslims my whole life. Most of the trouble I have had has come from people with a Judeo-Christian background. Are you sure you are not unfairly maligning 23% of the World’s population based on the actions of a mere handful of people from the Middle East?
Slow down the Catholic Church didn’t even reach 1 million in their body count and they executed rapists btw
Tell me about all of the Catholic priests who were executed recently.
Yeah I guess if its less than 1 million it doesn’t matter.
Catholic Church has been hiring gays for pries s since the 70’s, why is the pedophilia a point anyway?
It’s been feminized to death.
So giveme any regime that’s killed any less you want 1 million people to die?
Are these rhetorical questions? I don’t understand.
The Catholic Church and pedophilia goes back further than the 70s.
I’ve seen more than one satanists on TV specials claim they dont worship Satan. it’s almost comical to see really. I’ve also seen people in real life admit this too. whether or not this is actually true….i sincerely doubt it is a true statement but nonetheless it is the claim.
“The Church does not espouse a belief in Satan as an entity who literally exists, and LaVey did not encourage the worship of Satan as a deity. In an interview with David Shankbone, High Priest Peter Gilmore stated “My real feeling is that anybody who believes in supernatural entities on some level is insane.”
in fact this is the very first thing that pops up on google.
“Some others disagree with what you say about Islam. Who is right? You?”
in this instance, i tend to think I am right. I am not of the opinion that there is no right or wrong. there is a right and there is a wrong. while I can be wrong sometimes….I see very little to convince me that Islam isnt a religion of war.
“I have been living peacefully with Muslims my whole life.”
so as a southern folk myself….I can work with blacks peacefully….but behind closed doors and in schools and other such places where there is no reason to actually get along….the hatred of blacks vs whites comes out from both parties. yet we can work together peacefully. just because you live peacefully with someone doesnt actually make it so.
if shit hits the fan down here….there will be an all out chaotic war between the blacks and the whites despite the fact they currently “live in peace”. so if shit hits the fan….will your muslim friends still be your friends?
“Are you sure you are not unfairly maligning 23% of the World’s population based on the actions of a mere handful of people from the Middle East?”
the old are you sure it isnt just the leaders argument….I get that argument but I dont buy it. a dictator only has power because follow the dictator. Hitler and Stalin wouldnt have been able to do jack shit without a following. the fact of the matter is despite the cries that Muslims are peaceful, they still tend to follow their insane leaders. likewise with Americans despite the cries that Obama is ruining the country, you will in the very next breathe of those crybabies hear how “I WANT MY FREE STUFF” or you will see them buying lottery tickets which makes them hypocrites.
I don’t believe just because someone says something they actually mean it. actions > words. in this case the actions of muslims makes me think they are not actually peaceful like they claim.
I know
A Satanist who says he doesn’t worship Satan is plain stupid. I wouldn’t pay any attention to them.
To be fair you would think you’re right. Again, given the atrocities committed by Christians we could also argue that Christianity is a religion of war. But to me, this is irrelevant. Men make war, religions do not, because religions cannot act.
Your argument seems to come down to “just because we are living peacefully doesn’t mean we are living peacefully”. There has never been a total war of blacks versus whites, just as there has never been a total war between Muslims and Christians. You will note of course, that the Ottomans did not exterminate Christians. They just made them convert to Islam. The same thing that various sects of Christianity would do.
Your “leaders” argument falls down because there are no Islamic leaders on the scale of Hitler or Stalin. You have a bunch of guys with AKs shooting up Paris or blowing up some trains. An insignificant fraction of people. Hitler and Stalin motivated millions of men to fight in war. Very different.
The actions of Muslims? No the actions of a mere handful of individuals.
Again 23% of the worlds population. Trust me, if they all thought with the same mind, they would exterminate the rest of the world in one day.
“Trust me, if they all thought with the same mind, they would exterminate the rest of the world in one day.”
me thinks they are trying….but the reality is as bad as America is, it hasnt quite fallen yet, and isnt a beast worth fighting head on….and its why they arent fighting us head on. they are physically incapable of taking out America and by extension the rest of the world in one day or even one year. America is still simply too strong. theres a reason America hit lone superpower status. much like Rome that didnt fall over night for it was impossible, the same will be true here.
a wounded lion is still a lion.
“Your “leaders” argument falls down because there are no Islamic leaders on the scale of Hitler or Stalin.”
they dont have to be. look what they’ve done with their noticeably smaller armies. they still inspire followers in large numbers which is my point….they can claim to be a religion of peace yet when it boils down to it they follow their leaders.
“Again, given the atrocities committed by Christians we could also argue that Christianity is a religion of war.”
well I did link a video and some other stuff( i think cant remember now if it was just a video) that show the holy wars were really self defense against Islam. so unless you are willing to watch that video….i stand by my point. the atrocities of christianity arent near as bad as folks claim…not to say they dont exist, but not near as bad, and the atrocities committed by christians arent actually supported by their scriptures.
“There has never been a total war of blacks versus whites”
while perhaps true….the fact remains in the south there is still noticeable tension between the two because the aftermath of the civil war was one of the worst handled things ever which the south is still suffering from. but liberals and the media would have you believe racism has died and we all sing and dance and live happily ever after.
“To be fair you would think you’re right.”
touche
“Again, given the atrocities committed by Christians we could also argue that Christianity is a religion of war.”
yes but the difference is the quaran actively supports war…the bible does not. the quaran incites war, the bible reacts to war via self defense and a lot of places the prophets simply die preaching rather than waging war. there is a difference.
“Men make war, religions do not, because religions cannot act.”
true enough but what is there religion precisely? religions are not passive things either. they motivate people for better or for worse. they shape peoples philosophies. they change the way we think. Christianity for instance has radically fundamentally altered the world. religions true enough cannot physically create war….only men can…but what a man reads, is what a man is. who a man hangs out with, is who a man is. who a man watches and reads shapes who the man becomes and how the man behaves. religion is not so passive.
if a man reads a book daily that says “Jews suck and should die” there is a good chance that man will act on that book yet the book did not actually do it. same with the Quaran or really any religion.
Mate, you really have got stop saying “they”. Its like you’re talking about the Illuminati or something. To have a strong case you need to name individuals and show the link between them and the actions of other individuals. Trust me 23% of the worlds population are not trying to exterminate the rest. That’s 1.6 bn people. Out of which, what, every year maybe a dozen commit attacks against the West? Less than 0.000001%? And you think based on that you have strong evidence that all Muslims are trying to kill us? They don’t need leaders mate. Any idiot can pick up an AK, yell “Allahu Ackbar” and start shooting. Based on your logic, we can say that white people are trying to kill everyone. Anders Brevik killed nearly a 100 people on his own!
Speaking of leaders, I can point to specific individuals – George Bush and Tony Blair – and tell you how they motivated hundreds of thousands of people to carry out a bombing and invasion campaign in the Middle East. There is nothing comparable coming from any Muslim leader living today.
Yes every conqueror says his conquests are motivated by “self-defense”. George Bush now, the Pope during the Crusades. I’m sure the Ottomans were defending themselves too. The Christians defended themselves in foreign lands. Note, I am well appraised on the history of Christianity, having gone to Catholic School. Also, do not forget the violence committed by Christians against Christians continuously throughout the medieval period.
I’m not interested in words RE scriptures. I’m interested in actions. The actions of Christians render their words meaningless. The only people who followed the scriptures halfway were the powerless people in villages around Europe. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
A religion is a concept. It cannot act any more than the words I am typing can leap off of the screen and kill you. You shape the way you think and act through your decisions. You are a man, are you not?
If what you are saying true, RE your example of “Jews suck…” then in fact the 1.6bn Muslims should be marching to kill us right now. They are not.
“To have a strong case you need to name individuals and show the link between them and the actions of other individuals.”
so then….the middle east being the clusterfuck of a warzone that it is isnt proof that people are using Islamic religions as a basis for their wars? I mean really….what more proof is needed? its plain as day they are killing in the name of their God Allah. its not illuminati conspiracy, at least not this time.
“I’m not interested in words RE scriptures. I’m interested in actions. The actions of Christians render their words meaningless.”
you still cant grasp the point that what a man reads, is what influences the man which is what he becomes. it is the same principle as what you teach a child is what the child becomes. yes all these things are theoretically harmless on their own, but they arent because of their influence. words carry weight. words influence and inspire and depress and anger and motivate people even if words appear harmless. I dont know why you cannot understand that or why that makes 0 sense to you.
“then in fact the 1.6bn Muslims should be marching to kill us right now. They are not.”
they control the oil industry so there is that. they attacked the towers(unless you think it was an inside job….which begs the question….what is it a muslim infiltrating or some other on the inside?), that region of the world is terrorist center. the Muslims are not so harmless you know. like i said, they cannot actually come in and kill us overnight, we are still simply too strong. there are many many many ways to win a war, and brute force is rarely the most effective.
take my local newspaper….a week or so ago, there was a story about some Muslims throwing a hissy fit because they can’t wear their veils in this military school. the military school is in all likelihood going to bow down to the muslims. now no shots were fired. there was no violence. but we lost the war of the words and ideas. by doing this the muslims win without firing one single bullet. they conquer us without firing a single bullet. that is attacking us peacefully if you will and we stand and take it like pussies. a warring nation need not physically march with guns to conquer their enemies.
“Also, do not forget the violence committed by Christians against Christians continuously throughout the medieval period.”
the point is, the Quaran commands it, the bible does not except out of acts of self defense and even then a fair amount of bible figures die rather than fight. unlike the Quaran that commands war. not sure why you cant understand this point of difference between the two. Im not being snarky….Im genuinely curious why you lump the two ideas together as the same thing.
“Out of which, what, every year maybe a dozen commit attacks against the West? ”
given the fact we’ve been in war with them for the past 15 years….i seriously doubt this is an accurate number.
The ME is only one area where there are Muslims. In fact it is only 20% of the worlds population of Muslims. Let not forget that the West participates in the warzone known as the ME. Iraq was stable before our “help”, as was Libya. Indonesia has more than 200 million Muslims. No clusterfucks there. So yes, more proof is needed.
I can grasp the fact that a man has a choice about what he lets influence his thinking and his actions. You read the Qu’ran apparently. How come you are not working in a bomb factory preparing to blow something up?
“They”? Who is “they”? You speak of Muslims as if they are part of some sinister organisation like Spectre in James Bond. Its like something from a comic book. Look at the motivations and actions of individuals. Trying to put people in classes is a pure collectivist and socialist tactic, often used by dictators to strengthen their positions. You are taking the actions of a handful of people and using them to impugn 1.6bn people. This is beyond absurd. Its as ridiculous as me deciding that all white people are evil because of the actions of Anders Breivik. It is the same as the Civil Rights movement making white people living today responsible for the white people involved in the slave trade and demanding reparations.
I only have your opinion that the Qu’ran “commands” violence. I can find passages in the Bible where it “commands” violence although I thought only God “commands”, not a book. But I don’t care. If a man walks into my house, murders my family and then says that he follows a religion of peace, I am not going to let him off the hook.
We have been at war with “them”? Who? There have been wars between people in Europe and people in the ME and North Africa for thousands of years. As far as I know, there has never been a war against the concept known as Islam.
Eastern European reporting for duty:
Your information is confirmed.
The cancer is already here for over 20 years.
Just because you don’t hear european men complaining about their women, doesn’t mean the women are wife material. It just means they don’t complain.
Thanks for the field report, good sir. Where in east europe are you embedded?
Romania.
Since the 90’s, slut music has had it’s way with brainwashing people.
Come the 2000’s and you have all of media pedestalizing the slut.
Take another 16 years of brainwashing and you have whores in disguise ( desguised as sluts ) and wannabe sluts. I have been searching for a potential wife for some time now. Believe me, they stay hidden.
I think it was Roosh’s experience in Romania that finally prompted him to write the scathing article about women – I think the title was something along the lines of : “water takes the shape of the container that it fills”.
That article was enough to make me decide not to visit Romania – no offense intended to you.
none taken – the culture here still exists. But the people ,,untouched” by multiculturalism stay hidden. If you start digging hard enough you will find a normal family with daughters good enough to marry. Other than that, the whores fill the streets.
Romanian women in the cities are too Westernized. You need to dig deep into the villages if you want something less…”gamey.”
That’s an interesting comment about music, and it’s absolutely correct. In addition to the slut music, there’s the beta male music. After the 80’s, cock rock was pushed away from the mainstream in favour of the grunge scene, which is self-loathing and very beta. A whole generation of depressed beta pussies emerged from that era.
Ukrainians went back to the church so its fine there, but avoid Odessa, the city of swindlers, the girls there usually are swindlers. Everywhere else in Ukraine is fine. Odessa is having an anti corruption operation
God-bless ! It’s nice to hear some good news from there !
a major tell people forgot to bring up are wearing more than one designer branded item and an obsession with brands all the time. Another is Moscow girls, Russian girls who grew up in the 1990s from Moscow and St Petersbrug (usually lost virginity at 12) but outside of Moscow and St Petersburg , the farther away you go, many normal girls. Just stay away from Moscow and many wonderful wife material women far from that den of corruption that Russians call “our Dubai”. Ukrainian and Polish girls go to church so you have more wife material girls there. Also, Kosovo and Albania – if you go out with a Muslim, make sure she has been inside a mosque and has some connection to her faith – same story as the Christian ones – faith keeps girls away from the carousel.
Thanks, baby ! Hope you breed some quality kids !
I am a married woman, please don’t call me baby. Thank about the kids though.
I apologize, madam. Lots of health and prosperity to you and your family ! God bless !
You have a point here. I think EE girls are unwell.
Oh yeah, it sure has. They’ve realized what they can get, and now it’s become a plague. American men who got fed up with our women, but didn’t look at their own issues, went over there and gave EE women the knowlege of the pussy-pass. Now they don’t even work at keeping their own dignity.
As I started reading it I was thinking about applicability to north east Asia, but jeesus, this is like a laundry list of the sluttiness Oscar performances lol.
Short list for wife check in NE Asia. Any of these checks, next.
1. More than one semi serious ex boyfriend.
2. Lives alone and has a ‘normal job’.
3. Divorced parents or not getting along with them.
4. You met her at a foreigner bar.
5. Claims not to cook or clean or something like that. They are raised to do this normally, so either lying and lazy, of crap family- neeext.
6. Harder to tell but watch for extremely materialistic girls.
7. Doesn’t want kids or wants to wait until some unspecified time/event not related to marriage.
8. Is on contraceptive pills. Not something common or remotely normal there. (Chronic slut tell)
Those will cut the available ones to a foreigner down sharply but not completely.
You said 8 was an acute slut tell. I’m going to move that to the chronic slut tell column!
Good catch
31. If she comes from Russia, she hangs out with tech people in the Bay Area and she calls herself a Cosmist or a transhumanist.
Interesting advice; although for Christian young men; they are not on the “playing field” in plans of “fornicating” with women. Men that “call out all the bad” we see in women must also “call out their intents” for wanting sex with them; if they are not being serious about considering a compatible woman in MARRIAGE that is.
SEX is RESERVED solely in the MARRIAGE relationship of HUSBAND and WIFE for the MAIN PURPOSE of PROCREATION of children. No exceptions.
… This is especially true for the CHRISTIAN men out there that heed God’s Ways; not the secular unbelievers and heathen folks who don’t care of God’s Divine Design.
Mr. Roosh, man, you still talk about the “pump ‘n dump” fornication mentality of “Pua-ism” and “gaming”; then ya talk about “God” and it appears you’re CAUGHT IN THE MIDDLE of choosing between the LUSTS OF YOUR FLESH in the World and your GUT-FEELING of your spirit SEEKING AFTER GOD.
To me, you’re “something else” man. I don’t know how you do it… Amen.
~ Sincerely,
Bro. Jed
You owe 10 Hail Marys for all those quotes and caps, altar boy.
The ONLY thing I would owe is PRAISES from the fruit of my lips to the Almighty God, LORD JESUS CHRIST.
lol “Worrying ’bout what I owe”. What do YOU owe sir? Praise ye the LORD JESUS CHRIST and go on about yo’ bizness. Amen!
~ Sincerely,
Bro. Jed
Many men grow up in a very weird culture, and first adapt to it before they become an actor for change in people’s behavior.
I think it’s a progression, like growing up to be a man instead of a boy with toys.
If you grow up in a broken home and have no examples, you have to learn somehow. I’m not really concerned with the religious aspect, more the morale and ethics and a constructive society.
Agreed, I married a virgin. I had to wait, but it was well worth it. I laugh at all these guys that say you gotta take a test drive first. The thing is, people change. After 12 years and six kids, we still have sex at least 3-5 times a week. I see hundreds of complaints from men how their wife went frigid as soon as the got the ring on her finger. Also, I like the fact that we are both clean, and nobody else had their dick in her.
I have reached the conclusion that this is the only circumstance I’d even consider marriage and raising children. 6 sounds like a hell of a lot though.
Amen brother. Amen.
In times of war, hypocrisy is your best weapon.
Number 10- Some rich Arabs paid for your girlfriend to visit Dubai. They also took a dump on her chest.
Lol, the Sabra hummus cartel rubbing their hands like Birdman!
the article forgot to mention if single Moscow visit Sharm El Sheikh or Turkey alone without a friend … their name is Natasha and they are there to meet a lot of Habeebis. I think when it comes to travel, Russians travel with family a lot and that is normal. Single travelers, red flag. I disagree, many Russian good girls travel a lot with family, as its now finally financially available. The main question is to ask if she traveled with family
Maria, how old are you? I wonder why you are russian critisize so much russian women. In fact you are russian woman. Thus you are also bad? Not all are so bad as you describe. If woman is 30 – 40 y.o she can’t travel alone only because somebody will say she is a slut? I was lucky in my life and traveled with my husband and parents. But not all have such opportunity. You can’t judge peopel if you don’t know them. If you know some bad examples it doesn’t mean all peopel in Russia are bad. Amazing. I am ukrainian, i defend russians. You are russian and i haven’t read any positive comment from you about russian people. I write to you in russian, you answer in english. If you only talk but don’t do anything in order to change situation in your country – empty phrases. For your information Russians and Ukrainians go on vacation to Egypt and Turkey because it is cheap. Now Russians are not welcome even there. In fact that also Europeans go there. Are they also sluts? Only negative.
Dear men. Trust in best and you will find your woman, doesn’t matter where from she is. Bad people there are everywhere. Positive thoughts will attract positive people. If you have some bad experience don’t give up. It is life. We all have bad experience. Wish you love.
hello 123. Russian and Ukrainian people are very close and it’s sad about the current conflict. I am aware of the history of the region since my great-grandfather hails from what is now technically Ukraine.
Ukrainians are a proud people who wanted independence, much like Poland, and various wars have created bad blood. I recommend to anyone considering visiting the region to watch the “Ogiem i Mieczem” films. These civil wars remind me of the USA’s own civil war.
Thank you for support.
The movie is very good. Stupka was a great actor.
My spidey sense tells me that pic on #29 is from post occupation France, where French women accused of fraternizing with the Germans were shaved bald as penance. Coming to think about it, that goes well with #19.
Fantastic list. Most of this goes for Western women, too.
Yes, this was quite good.
31. She says she’ll suck your cock for $50
That’s a rip-off, ESPECIALLY in Eastern Europe!
If ever there was a pic that was worthy of my fap it would be the first one in the article. Slut in the blue dress.
yeah i noticed that one too
Pierre Woodman rubbing his hands like Birdman!
Agreed.
Thought pic #22 was attractive as well.
True but if you look closely at #22 her thighs are not completely proportionate. They are almost the same size as her calves. And she has beady looking eyes.
Slut in the blue dress can have my cum and eat it too.
Calves flexed due to heels.
Eyes squinting due to sun
Although she likely has small eyes anyways
I give you the squinty eyes but I will bet any money if she wasn’t that her eyes would still be a tad beady-like. And if you look at her right leg she isn’t resting it flat on the ground therefore is not flexing. Thighs are way to close in size to calves. And she doesn’t look as healthy and “fertile” as my slut in blue.
Elbows too pointy bro?
Im just saying if you could only choose one. I know you’d go for #22. But Id be worried of catching something.
I agree she has small eyes anyhow.
Look at her ankles, fully flexed, therefore calves are popped.
#22 looks quite friendly. I could have her over for company for a whole weekend and not mind.
My next question has to do with #22. What is up with women trying to dig into our sexual past. I find this to be very uncomfortable, partly because of my Catholic upbringing, and partly because of me being a bit shy and introverted. Whatever happened to intimacy. And then they accuse us men of being indiscrete pigs.
She is mining for information to shit test you with at a later date.
Never give that information away. I forget what law that is in the 48 Laws… but basically NEVER show her or anyone else your hand. If you do, you must assume that it will become common knowledge among her circle and will be used against you one day.
Broad generalizations and half truths, no matter how deceptive they may sound, are still more honest and straightforward than anything that she will tell you.
I have a 29 years old Russian private teacher and this article describes her fairly well. AWALT, as they say.
Unfortunately so.
Two of the test I do is the cleaning and cooking so far a majority of woman I have
dated have failed both test.
I swear to God one left food in a pan as she handed it to me to dry.
Lack of house bitch training by the mother.
Wouldn’t these red flags apply to western women as well???
This all sure as shit isn’t delimited to Eastern European women!
Whenever I hear the “I went to a foreign country alone” bit… Gee, I wonder what all took place there? Getting bowling-balled by swarthy schmucks with “cool” accents, I assume? Sharpie taken to her name right away!
This is actually a list applicable to all women, not just Eastern Europeans. If some chick is slugging condoms around in her purse she is probably loose whether from Africa or Asia. Hmph otherwise ok article
As a guy who traveled extensively in the East in the late 90s and early 2000s, let me weigh in:
Cook, Clean, Dressed up for the 1st date, especially, doesn’t follow your lead: All Dead On.
8 – Instagram. They’re all pretty much on Instagram, now. The question is whether she uses it as “Whore-o-Gram” or just to post usual pictures from her life.
11 – Lives Alone. Not necessarily a red flag. I know a girl who lives alone in Kyiv because she’s a model and makes her living in the capital, and supports her parents and sibs back in Dumpsk, where they had to move after the war came to Donetsk. She went back to visit for the weekend this spring and to help plant the potato crop, which, to me, is hysterical. Imagine a runway model helping to plant potatoes. Exactly. Come to think of it, she doesn’t have Instagram or Viber or Whatsapp. I should probably marry her. /grin
14 – Doesn’t follow your plans for a date. Dead on. You LEAD, she FOLLOWS.
15 – She doesn’t pay for a round. This can go either way. If you are on a date with her, you, as the man, are culturally expected to pay. What she may do instead, especially if she’s broke and you’re flush, is ask your permission before ordering another drink.
19 – She is not a patriot. Not necessarily. If she comes from a “mixed” family in Ukraine (one ethnic Russian parent, one Ukrainian parent), her patriotism might be muted. She also may not discuss it early on. I know some Ukr who, once they got to know me well enough, would happily express their hatred for Putin. But an EE girl might not lead with that in a dating scenario.
23 – Doesn’t want a family soon. EE girls think they are “old” if they don’t have a kid before 25, and really 21 or 22 is “normal”.
27 – Slutty professional past. If she speaks excellent Turkish, Japanese, Korean or Arabic with no plausible reason, then she’s a pro.
Happy hunting!
Mistral
Long time no see, old man. Hope you are doing well.
All well, just spending a lot of time on the road. One of the hazards of my gig. I hope all is well with you also.
any girl that dates a turk or arab has serious problems. But are they going to japan and korea now to be prostitutes or what are you referring to?
If you meet a young Slavic hottie and she speaks Japanese or Korean and does NOT live right on the border or within reasonable proximity, then she’s likely a pro. This is especially true if she’s from far away, i.e. Ukr or European Russia. And if she’s tall and blonde, triple the already 99.44% chance, b/c Turks and Asians LURRRRVE tall blonde women.
As a EE girl agree with you. I also live alone, support my family, i provide myself and plant potato in order in winter not to eat chemicals. I am traditionally raised. I have posted my comment but it was deleted as a spam. Maybe author likes to criticize EE women.
I admit that here there are lot of girls who dream to leave country but in general they don’t want to work or can’t find the work. I don’t respect ppl who hate own country where they were born.
I also didn’t understand what is wrong with Dubai 🙂 It is very safty place for vacation.
Also author is very wrong regarding that man should rest and woman should serve him. Nonsense. Here men work and bring money at home. Men provide family and pay for women. This is the reality.
As someone with experience with EE culture for 20 years, a few more things to add.
One of the negatives of EE feminine culture is the “rich oligarch” stereotype. If you think African American women turned on by rap stars is insane in the USA, they have nothing on EE women who want men to act like they’re rich. They like to see a man blow a month’s salary at a club to impress them. One of my wife’s favorite clips is the “Dovai Pozanemisya” opening credits where a guy approaches a girl and throws money into the air to impress her. These women make western golddiggers seem reasonable by comparison.
Part of the reason for this is that after the fall of the USSR, a lot of previously forbidden western goods flooded in such as high priced designer bags and jewelry and the men and women both “pimped” out with gold necklaces that say “Vladamir” on them (or po Ukrainsku, Valadamir). So it was kind of like living in a cruel world where all this great stuff was available, but few could afford to buy it.
Like with feminism in the west, Soviet feminism contradicts with reality. Many women want high paid careers AND men to pay and provide for them, but this works about as well as the old Soviet 10 year plans. There simply isn’t enough money out there to give women good paying careers AND men to pay for everything. The difference is that unlike in the west where the women can hide from this reality into their 40’s, it’s pretty obvious that it doesn’t work in EE. So most women get a grip but the insanity is still there.
Religious/family girls usually are sensible and will want a man to take them out for a nice dinner but will follow his lead and not complain if he doesn’t blow a month’s salary and treat him with respect. They also won’t bang on the first date but most will have sex if they believe the guy is sincere. It basically reminds me of how women were in the states back in the 1970’s.
That reminds me: It’s sad how the unscrupulous western corporations have flooded EE with cigarettes even to the point of giving them to 14 year olds. It’s disgusting. Nothing is less sexy than a woman with a smelly mouth. Bleah. It was bad during Soviet times but is worse now. Fortunately, smoking is a sign of lower class status, like tattoos associated with criminality, that I see fewer women engaging in such behavior both in the west and east. A nice girl will respect your request for her to not smoke when around you.
30 Signs That An Eastern European Girl Isn’t Relationship Material??
Copycat of western girls ???
No Uggs boots and Starbucks though, so a few differences .
Recently fucked a girl here in Ukraine that was 30, MMA fighter, fucked on the first date with no rubber, lives alone, extensive traveling, etc.
She seemed sweet enough but I asked her a few days later if she’d ever been banged by more than one guy at once. Her response, “Yup”.
No rubber …
My thought exactly..
Well… Hopefully they were using lambskin…
Go fuck one of the goats you have.. 😉
I already sold them to a Saudi.
#31. If she posts a photo with her ,,slut face” on social media. Guess what she’s hinting…
Actually this list applies to girls from anywhere, pretty much. I don’t see a problem with shagging a girl with short hair. Its making her your girlfriend that’s a problem.
I’ll tell you something else to watch out for in girls. Wild eyes or slightly off-colour behaviour. It may seem cute at first but it is indicative of serious underlying mental disorder.
Also, if the girl says she has ever kissed another girl. Some guys think this is hot. Yes its hot if she’s not your girlfriend. Otherwise…
Good luck finding one who hasn’t bob. My first serious gf was a shy bookish virgin – had kissed 2 girls.
So because your first gf was an undercover lesbian every other girl must be?
Its a common western behaviour. There’s an undercover dyke in every western girl I’ve ever met.
In all my years I’ve seen it once and had it confirmed twice and I’ve been around man. In my experience its exhibitionist behavior, something a woman does to get attention. A sign of a serious mental disorder.
I’ve met a lot of Western girls (having grown up here) and only a handful have even hinted its something they would like to do. Not saying its you but maybe its just the circles you move in?
It may be simply a matter of age/ the times. I don’t mean these bitches want to go munch rug. I mean they get a few drinks in them and start making out with eachother in order to pull/tease the guys. Kind of like a soft version of the college lesbian
That makes sense actually. Drinks + Attention = Kissing girls.
But definitely avoid this kind of girl. I actually avoid girls who drink regularly period. There’s more of these around (girls that don’t drink excessively) than you think but of course you won’t find them at the club 😉
Yeah no shit, but we were all young and stupid once, either you learn or you fuck up your life. Finding women who don’t drink regularly in Australia is… pretty damn difficult.
I was once young but I was never stupid my friend. Never make the mistake of thinking the two must go together.
Australia is known for its heavy drinking women but nothing worthwhile is easy is it?
As my ability to score girls goes up, my judgment of the vast majority of women in my area goes down. A wife is a serious investment, and I have yet to find one that is worth it that is single, and most married ones wouldn’t be worth it either if they were.
It’s another — ‘don’t masturbate/why do you have a boner reading reading this?/ save your seed but look at all these half nude, legs spread-clam parading photos of whore women I spent researching longer than I did for the article/concentrate on the theory not the women in the red dress’ article on ROK.
ok, so you commented…why?
I deleted Facebook but still need to be noticed.
I don’t think it worked. It’s like that time I deleted the Internet… It comes back again and again and again…
I don’t know how JB writes his articles, but I normally spend a few hours writing an article, and about 45 minutes uploading it to our servers, formatting it, and finding appropriate pictures off of google images, so I’d say my writing to picture research time is about 5 to 1. I count the rainbow neckbeard amongst my finest accomplishments; hell people thought it was a selfie.
The rainbow neckbeard is a work of art. I’m still thinking about how to turn it into a card I can hand out to loosers IRL.
Like an official Loser Card.
Just go up, tap on shoulder, hand card, leave.
Nice insight from someone with experience. Its often these subtle clues that can be important.
why my comment was deleted? Strange. Is it allowed only to criticize women on these forums? I have written my point of view but it was deleted. In fact i didn’t offend anybody with my comment and was quite polite.
share your political correct views on the jezebel forum
i didn’t write anything about politics. I am far from it
I think this site criticizes men quite a bit and seeks to encourage them to grow to be more attractive to women such as working out, becoming better educated/worldly, and learning how to be tactful in talking with women. These are all things that women clearly find attractive in men just as Cosmopolitan gives women tips on how to lose weight and use makeup.
What isn’t kosher here is typical PC critiques of men. Not sure if you made them and that’s why you got moderated but we’ve already heard all of that before.
In general on this site there is lot of negative. Very seldom I read adequate comments.
Ppl see the worst in other people, criticize.
For example as you have written in your comment about EE women. I’m EE woman. I have to tell you that you generalize, we look at the same things in different ways, first of all because of different mentality. In each country you can meet poor people, prostitutes, not educated people etc.
more than that men criticize our countries, women, write dirt about us and anyway continue to search for women here ( also wives).
What for to see only negative?
I wonder if we are so bad what for to come here. If we are so bad how we get married and have children?
But from another hand I understand that for some journalists it’s kind of PR. People like gossips, to criticize, etc. Thus journalists give the food for discussion. But if 10-20 years ago people could discuss about science, books etc, now on top are articles about sex tourism, some men describes how they pick up girls in tinder and post it in Internet. What will be in 15 years? By the way all these articles are written by western men.
Regarding smoking. Agree lot of people smoke here. But have you been in Greece or France?
In France women smoke a lot.
Regarding our men, oligarchs and that women want men only spent money for them- one more wrong statement.
Here man provides family. Anyway women work.
I don’t see only negative about EE and have clearly indicated that there’s a lot for these countries to be proud of. I also made it clear that while there’s a strong culture of the “rich oligarch” image, it’s kind of like “Hollywood” in the USA where a lot of women in states think all men should drive fancy cars because they see that on TV.
Heck, I’ll say that there are nice girls in the USA, just as in EE, but they get snatched up (er, bad term considering what the Turks sometimes did 🙂 and married off early. Nice girls try to get married quickly. For men, becoming marriagable material takes more time because, as you say, man needs to provide for family. Note that this not uncommon in the west. Most women here will refuse to marry a man if he doesn’t provide and most will refuse to date a man if he doesn’t pay for her. There is not much difference there.
Many of these points are valid in general, not just in eastern Europe.
In my opinion, the biggest red flag is if a girl speaks ill of her parents or her own culture (or wants to move abroad, permanently, or similar). If she does not respect her own people, she won’t respect you, either.
Let’s just agree that there is no happy hunting ground where the women are worth bothering with for longer than it takes to have them three ways.
In a normal society, you don’t beg for a woman’s favours. You save your pennies, pay her father an appropriate bride price, and thenceforth she is your property to do whatever you damn well want with and who is obliged to do whatever you damn well want her to do.
There is essentially nowhere left on earth where women understand that this is the natural order of things and act accordingly, the better to guarantee themselves a “good” (rich) husband. (Learn to cook, stay a virgin till marriage, never sleep with any man but her husband, give up sex entirely when he dies.)
Until women become an asset to their men again, and not liabilities, rent them. Never, ever buy.
As for number 25, at least you know she probably doesn’t have STD’s…
Also, she may due that because she needs a special material (such as if she has allergies to certain materials).
These are all pretty obvious. If a woman doesn’t go out of her way to serve me, she gets put in the pump n dump bargain bin.
Most likely a lucky escape for her then…
If you think careerism and spinsterhood after divorce is an ‘escape’ then maybe. Women are more unhappy than ever before because of cowardly men like you.
um all the young girls have Instagram in EE. You do not want dirt poor. Plus you want working class whose income by our standards is poor here if your going by income. Travel is a big deal to Russians. A girl with a job before the ruble dropped could reasonably take a trip to Turkey, Greece,Egypt, UK (if she could get visa) as they live at home or with mates. If your making the average 500 a month a summer vacation with friends is not out of the realm. Russians know how to make their money stretch.
what nationality is the first girl? she is my type.
i guess she is everybodys type…
I think the author should try batting for the other side, as he clearly doesn’t like women.
My mother is Russian and many of my friends are. Most of this is accurate.
I know girls’ notch counts. I’d add a couple things. Too many designer real or fake brand symbols. One … normal. Gucci sunglasses, gucci bag, Chanel earnings, and all the time = slut tell.
Bigger slut tell she’s from Moscow, grew up after the fall of the soviet union, she lost her virginity at 12 usually, sometimes 14 at latest. St Petersburg is bad, Moscow is worse. I am from Moscow but I grew up in Yemen and left during soviet times. Well they don’t see them as sluts but as liberated women. When the soviet union broke up, there were many mafia and whore movies in the 1990s, being a prostitute was glamourized. Smaller Russian towns weren’t affected by that. The religion in Russia is a new, happened when Putin visited Iran, so how his Iranian allies used religion began to do the same. It’s state sponsored and there are too many gay shenanigans and rape in the monasteries, and those who complain about the sexual harassment get send by Putin’s men to Siberia. Moscow girls.. are worse than American girls in terms of notch count and what has been in there. Smaller town Russian girls aren’t as corrupted and some are quite normal.
Avoid girls who have been to Dubai, and avoid girls from Moscow unless they are a daughter of a professor, that layer of society is still normal. I think the key slut tell is church. Doesn’t go… then you have the “Russian pattern”. She’ll find a way to move in with you and be quiet and will do what you want, go to your BDSM club, allow you to cheat on her. She’ll be quiet, quiet, quiet and blow up like crazier than SJW. Sadly a lot of Russian women have difficulty communication. Also having Arab boyfriends in Cairo or Turkish boyfriends in Turkey when they went on vacation – the Hababi-Natasha phenomenon.
Travels to see museums in Italy with family is not a slut tell. Travels to Cairo or Turkey alone is. When Turkey shot down the Russian plane, they shot down the dreams of Moscow sluts who go by the name of Natasha in Turkey, Cairo and Sharm El Sheikh (it’s their Mexico/Greece spring break). Usually nice girls travel a lot but with family. A girl who is well traveled can be very chaste if she was travelling with family. The main slut tell is not going to church/mosque/synagogue and foreign influence/westernization, whether she went to Dubai or Moscow, or travelled alone in the Middle East. Another scary scary demographic: shy bunny boilers.
Avoid shy girls… low confidence girls and girls hanging out in American establishments looking for rich tourists. Avoid quiet quiet blow up pressure cooker girls and avoid gold diggers. In many countries most Russian wives are divorced but not western Ukrainian. The church/mosque/synagogue makes a difference.
Many girls don’t pay for the first round of drinks or dinner who are traditional, they want to be courted, but…. they will take you to a coffee shop, and not all high end everything. A coffee date, but then high end dinner. Masculine hobbies, no many traditional women have masculine hobbies like shooting in a warzone… but also have feminine hobbies like knitting or sewing. Masculine hobby is not a tell if she has feminine hobbies too. All masculine… then she just wants male attention.
Also instragram isn’t always a slut tell. If she is an artist and puts picture of her art, not herself, promotes her art, it’s not a slut tell. If she is putting non-artwork on there, slut tell.
The rest are spot on. If she hangs around foreign locations too much and only wants to go to all the fancy places you pay for everything, that’s another. If you expect a woman to pay that you haven’t kissed… go back to America. However, a non-slut will be conscious of the fact you are spending money to court her, so won’t take you to all the expensive places all the time, she might go to one fancy place as a test.
Finally the whole cleaning thing – isn’t always true. Some Russian mothers are cleaning freaks and have OCD with cleaning so the girls rebel and are a bit messy at first but not American level messy. Often some won’t tell you they can cook in the beginning, but you get to know them and realize they are a good cook. They want to see you like them for who they are and not maid service. Yet, after a month or so, you should be able to find out they can cook. There are some guys who are into dating for the free food there and not having to cook sadly, and no one likes a moocher.
Another city to avoid is Odessa in Ukraine. Many girls there just try to fleece foreign guys. It’s the theft capital of Ukraine and earlier of imperial Russia & USSR. Now there is a major anti-corruption operation there. It’s a legendary port city of swindling. The rest of Ukraine is fine, fabulous and problem free. Most Odessa girls will fleece you. Moscow & St Petersburg girls, sadly STDs are a common problem. Putin finally is putting more control on movies and pop culture, so hopefully this slut issue will be reduced in the next generation. Girls who grew up in the 1990s are the worst in Russia because of what was on television unregulated during Yeltsin’s time and the free for all of the 1990s. It’s gradually getting better. Smaller Russian towns have many nicer wife material girls. Ekaterinburg, Nova Sibersk and Rostov are not too bad.
Siberian girls have the Russian pressure cooker pattern, quiet, quiet quiet then really blow up, so if she is too quiet ask her how she is really feeling three times and they are generally wife material girls, if you are ok with the submissive quite quiet quiet blow up/ passive aggressive pattern. So its unpredictable. You have to spend time fishing out their feelings, if that’s your thing. Polish and Ukrainian girls are generally healthier in expressing how they feel, not passive aggressive, assertive and nice but not highly aggressive crazy American feminist. Ukraine, just avoid Odessa and you’ll be fine.
Мария, где Вы живете?
Не хочу Вас обидеть, но Ваш обобщенный комментарий ничего общего не имеет с реальностью.
Now I live in Canada, but don’t bullshit people that the 1990s didn’t happen under Yeltsin, when I visited then I saw 14 year old prostitutes. Under Putin that crap stopped. Moscow girls who grew up in the Yeltsin era are damaged – but so are the young men, try doing business with them. I don’t agree with everything Putin does but at least he brought some order after Yeltsin. My uncle was beat up to death then. It was horrific. I have family in Moscow, and the 90s were awful. Moscow has 80% of Russia’s money, and this created a bad gold digger culture in the 1990s to survive combined with all the bad television. Things have improved but the past is a shadow.
I am a woman so I know parents who complain about finding condoms in their 13 year old daughter’s purse and see their daughter started shaving, and has a boyfriend in university, which was not uncommon. It’s not normal outside of Moscow that a university student is dating a 13 year old. Russia has improved a lot but the girls now in their 30s are messed up. Let’s be honest with what happened and what the US did, with Larry Summers and Geoffery Sachs. Their stupid Harvard advice and half our economy went out the window. Girls should know that what they are doing is not cute. If we don’t tell them, how do they know. Girls used to think being a slut is how you get a husband. There as a phenomenon at one point of 90’s girls piercing condoms. As their influence over the younger generations decrease and Putin continues his restrictions on moral corruption, Moscow girls will all be fine. Now just the youngest ones and the oldest ones are fine.
Youngest as in was 11 or 12 years old after Putin put morality restrictions on TV against public indecency as it was beginning to have an effect on the culture. I mean with 90s girls, what do you expect of a generation of children who saw pornography and graphic violence during the day on daytime tv, nothing was rated R? I luckily grew up in the 90s in Yemen. My niece was too young to remember that period, but other girls my age… it was so sad to watch. I love this site as I can talk about it and say this is not normal. Some girls were hinting me I need to lose my virginity and get laid or I’ll never get a man, and I am not “European” and need to get more civilized. I just pretended I didn’t know what they were hinting at.
Also in Turkey, my mother is older generation Russian, and I’m 90s youth Russian… but grew up in the Middle East. So we had to pretend we are Ukrainian not to be called “Natasha” and be treated like a slut. Kind of like Americans pretending to be Canadian during George Bush’s time.
You can’t generalize. Prostitutes there are everywhere. In Western countries lot of young girls do the same.
You are Russian and criticize your country. I am Ukrainian, I have much more right to criticize Russia but i don’t do it.
Have you been in all these countries you talk about? Do you know all women, girls, families?
Who wants to see dirt will see only dirt around.
Positive attracts positive. Very sad that Russian woman writes such a crap about own country. After it i don’t wonder why foreigners think bad about us.
If parents find the condoms in 13 y.o daughter’s purse it is the fault of parents. No reason to complain.
Listen I am from Moscow and we have a lot of problems including invading your country and Georgia and Syria and worshiping Putin. If we don’t put our problems in the open and don’t discuss them, how can we improve?
Positive people are shallow and blue pilled like Mark Cuckerberg and Jack Dorsey who are censoring right wing writers. Positive positive where there is deep corruption attracts only death. How many Russian boys were returned to us in coffins … they didn’t even die with burial honors but that they went on “vacation” to Ukraine or Syria with forced conscription. And they have to go and shoot from Ukrainian schools and hospitals, our poor boys and they are told to kill Ukrainians who are young boys just like them. Some kill themselves. Do you understand, the corruption is really bad. Siberians want to separate. If we don’t deal with this corruption, more innocent people will die. People have to know there is a lot of rot in Moscow, and it threatens the world’s security. Including moral rot.
If my country didn’t invade what four other countries to cover up for Moscow corruption .. I would not speak up about what women do in Moscow, let men find out for themselves. But we need to save our society. We need to stop invading other countries and clean up corruption or there will be a nasty civil war and people I care about may die.
now you talk about politics. Problems there are everywhere.
Yes would be good if Russia stops to invade other countries. But Putin doesn’t care. In fact that i still have friends in Russia despite the war. Why i have to hate russians because of their president? i will not.
Мария, мы может не понимаем друг друга, но какое отношение имеет политика к предыдущим комментариям. О политике держать разговор нет смысла. Пока Путин у власти никто ничего не сделает, а тем более Вы из Канады. Можно себя в грудь бить кулаком и что-то доказывать, но дальше дело не пойдет.
И как человек, который наблюдает это все внутри страны, хочу Вам сказать, что Украинская власть очень заинтересована в этой войне. Война- это большие деньги. Не все так просто. До чего сейчас довели народ за два года. И это не закончится года два-три как минимум. Мы видим то, что нам разрешают видеть, а то как есть на самом деле знают только они.
Относительно всего остального, воспитание и семья играет большую роль. Не только в России , Украине девочки рано начинают заниматься сексом. Это можно встретить в каждой стране. Я бы не обобщала.
Кстати, что не так с Дубаи? Если Вы там не были, не судите. Замечательная страна, в которой работают законы. В которой на улице к Вам не подойдет ни один мужчина с непристойностями , в которой Вы себя можете чувствовать в безопасности, в которой сервис на высшем уровне.
Если девушка была в Амстердаме, она априори становится шлюхой? Или в Париже и тд?
Я не любитель форумов и комментировать что-то на форумах. Тем более то, что тут пишут некоторые мужчины заставляет усомниться в их адекватности. Удачи Вам Мария. Все будет замечательно.
I talk politics because its a part of life and I am not shallow. I believe in being honest and not a corrupt establishment cuck. Live free or die trying. I have family and friends in Russia too. Moscow is doing fabulous, but the rest of the country is struggling badly and this is the reality. That’s how we are. My grandfather fought the Nazis all the way to Berlin in world war 2, he said the “harsh truth is better than a sweet lie”. He was a hero and I have so much respect for him and I strive to emulate him. He was a colonel and professor, a man of integrity despite all the gulags and purges.
Вы конкретно что-то делаете, кроме разговоров?
Во всех семьях из бывшего СССР есть герои и те , кто сражался против фашистов. Украина и Белоруссия пострадали больше всего от фашистов. Я уж не говорю о голодоморе в Украине в 1932. Разговоры ничего не дают.
“harsh truth is better than a sweet lie”
My late mother taught me that by her lifelong example, and I have lived by those words, but at a price. My sister once called the police when I spoke in her presence a harsh truth rather than a sweet life. And there are others who, because of harsh truths I spoke 10+ years ago, have addressed me with sarcastic disdain every since.
Russia is a vile plutocracy, one that sucks up to Lord Putin. The whole is stitched up with high oil prices. If oil stays below US$60/barrell, Russia will fall apart.
Most of this corruption and money stays in Moscow, now its like 90%, and called “Russian Dubai”… so can you imagine how this corrupts women in Moscow. Russian provinces are falling apart, the Siberian independence movement grows everyday. Incidentally, the girls there are wife material. I know many men happily married to Siberian women. They are quiet and submissive, so men do have to guess their feelings, but they are very charming so it makes up for it. I feel bad talking about Moscow girls, but it wasn’t so corrupt in Soviet times in Moscow, and the women there used to be normal. Now it’s the other Dubai.
that truth doesn’t work with women who can easily find a man to pick up the pieces. “Women and children can afford to be careless; men cannot.” – Don Colorone, Godfather. Among women and kids, you can’t treat them like adult men. Women like children can afford to fail, they’ll find a man to pick up the pieces. Some women are noble and choose to be responsible and logic, and not rely on men to pick up the pieces after they make mistakes, and are a strong reliable partner. Ivanka Trump is a good example. Few women are Ivanka Trump, look at Melania. Donald Trump would be an idiot to tell Melania the straight truth and would be an idiot to tell Ivanka anything but the straight truth.
Most women are Melanias… or lower end SJW versions of that, or anything in between. Strong independent women like Ivanka are rare and almost always are conservative anti feminist.. If a woman is emotion based and makes decisions more from feelings than logic… there is no point in telling her the truth about anything, her brain can’t understand it, because its her middle brain amygdala that’s firing up, not her frontal lobes. Your sister’s brain activity sounds like it differed from your mother’s. I worked in sales. Most women are irrational and fashion is a multi trillion dollar business based on women’s irrational emotional minds. I sold things that women don’t need with money on credit they didn’t have – by saying “this is so fun!” “that’s so cute on you!” Rational sales tactics work on men and few women. It’s not politically correct, but this is life.
I don’t believe women are born with a substantially different brain than men except men have increased sex and aggression drive. Women become emotionally undisciplined, irresponsible and unhinged, because there will be always some thirsty beta male white night who will pick up the pieces, even at a great cost to himself. That’s why most women don’t have to put the effort to develop reason and logic. That’s why in the summer, you see more obese women than men. Without fat shaming, women become fat. Men can logically see obesity decreases their chances of a quality mate and negatively impacts health through reason and logic. And there is always some thirsty beta who will chase after the fattest obese whale who will die of a heart attack from heat stroke due to being so fat that year. This is sad, but true, how life really is.
Hello to both of you (or Po Ukrainki, Polsku, Russki: Vitaute, Czesc, Privyet!)
A few observations in general about feminism and modern women. My wife has a Lithuanian friend whose a widower (good friend, just died at age 50 due to a heart attack). After mourning, she started dating and found a professional pianist whose educated and charming, but, she complained, didn’t want to pay for everything after the first dates. Note that she has a professional, high paying job and is older. She wound up breaking up with him.
In Soviet times, much like childhood, it was easy to put on the pretense of the traditional provider man because it was democratization of poverty. Taking a girl out for a nice restaurant cost a few kopecs. Most people didn’t earn a lot. Women got 2 years of paid maternity leave. It was a Soviet economy with good, and bad, effects. Soviet career women often did all the childcare and the grandparents helped with taking care of children (I can appreciate this since I have a newborn little girl and my wife is having a tough time doing all the work by herself without parents to help.)
The problem in the USA, and increasingly in EE, is that there’s problem with women’s equality similar to that of communism: When everyone gets paid to do the same work, why work hard? When women get paid as much as men, and then want men to pay for them in addition, how can this be done? This single thing is causing distrust between the sexes everywhere in developed nations.
I fully agree. My mother’s generation of Russian women are amazing, educated, feminine, smart… but Russian media censored moral corruption out of television and music for kids. In Russia it’s different from eastern Europe in Moscow and St Petersburg. The rest of Russia faces similar challenges. Moscow and St Petersburg used to be gangster towns were women had to sleep with a man to even get a job interview in the 1990s. Now that has passed but the generation that grew up like that in Moscow and St Petersburg with also gangsters who killed people driving around in Ferraris, all designer head to toe is very corrupted. I fully agree with you about the feminism problem.
I think its important to realize that male providers can die and then widows are in a bad position, so women having a skill to sustain themselves is a very smart idea. But for something extra its nice when a man earns more. Women are into successful men that are recognized in their field, that are better off some how than they are. My husband is an engineer, I wish I was. We both work. In Saudi Arabia men and women work in urban areas, and women working isn’t an issue there. In the end, men work more to get promotions, thus earn more and women spend more time with the kids, thus earn 70 cents to a man’s dollar. I think that is great. I see women not spending as much time in the office as their husband, more time with kids, earning slightly less as the recipe to a happy household. I think the work-pay thing isn’t the only issue – the issue is the absence of patriarchy, which is what makes a happy society in the west. Matriachies like in Yemen in Muslim countries resemble old school 1800s western patriarchy far more than feminism today.
I think the issue is feminism divides society into three genders, Men as Bourgeoisie, Women and Gender Confused as proletariat and they want a dictatorship of the proletariat. It becomes sectarian warfare, no different that marxist Ayatollah Khomeni instigating a Sunni-Shia conflict. Prior to Iran’s recent wars, 10 years ago nobody knew which neighbor was sunni or shia or what the difference was. Divide and conquer – the law of marxism.
I think a woman paying for first dates is called dumb slut with no self respect and a bloody idiot. Sorry.
I admire sex workers for their intelligence – they are not giving away their sexual value for free. Personally, I think the sex workers are selling themselves short as I have never been happier since I was married, after the wedding. Weddings are stressful as much as I tried to make mine low key. It’s the most amazing thing, I am happier every day with my wonderful husband, no amount of money can buy such happiness. I live like in heaven. But sex works at least don’t feel dirty like sluts.
There are lots of dumb sluts of just give themselves free. Women have to put their foot down and say no, I follow traditional rules including no sex before marriage. Why does she complain the guy wants to pay for first dates? She should just know her value and dump the chump. If she feels bad, my mom is older than her and gorgeous, still turns heads. My mom grew her hair long, her hair is dyed, wears a little bit of make up, religious uses moisturizer/sunblock.anti aging creams, goes to the gym, dresses feminine, and has a charming kind personality. After my father past away she started dating, had her pick of guys and found a wonderful Lebanese man who became my stepfather.
My husband, I introduced him to my stepfather for approval first. He knew he had to earn his respect, and that if he wanted to have fun instead, it was much safer to see drunk sluts at the sorority than deal with the wrath of a strong fierce angry Arab father with a strong leather belt.
A man has to court a woman, show that he can provide. Then the woman has to offer sex and get dumped and not stalk him if she is a slut, or not sleep with him until marriage. When a man proves he is a man, and can go out of his way to provide, a woman feels like a woman, but has to bring her end, as it demonstrate faithfulness, being chaste, and that she puts an effort into her appearance and cooking to please him. I have an issue with someone who wants a guy to pay for her and has slept with too many people to be realistically happy to settle down on a date. I also have a problem with a woman who doesn’t go to the gym, doesn’t make an effort on being a pleasant life partner demand a husband material guy pay for her. If you aren’t wife material, then don’t demand men to act like husband material.
My Russian mother and Lebanese stepfather both work. My stepfather works more, puts longer hours, earns more and has a Mercedes/BMW. My mother’s car is a simple but sturdy girly looking Japanese car, not latest but recent enough model. I look at the two cars in their parking lot and see it’s a happy family.
Hello Maria. A few thoughts on this claim from you: “I think a woman paying for first dates is called dumb slut with no self respect and a bloody idiot. Sorry.”
Nearly all of the above is incorrect especially the “sorty” part. Morally judging people negatively is one of the pleasures in life we enjoy without guilt. Were you truly “sorry?” Are you going to be overjoyed when I explain just how wrong the above claim is?
Let’s start with the definition of the word “slut”. Men view “slut” as someone who is easy to have sex with and therefore has sex with a lot of people. Men and women have taken the word “slut” to the extreme to include women who dress sexy, openly admit they enjoy sex (even with their husband) (some women are notorious for being so hung up on avoiding being called a slut they won’t have sex with the lights on). With Muslims, it’s often considered “slutty” for a woman to show much more beyond her face to a strange man.
So your accusation of a woman making it easier for a man to date her by paying for first dates as a “slut” is understandable, but incorrect. If she dates a 100 men and pays her own way (and even theirs) and doesn’t have sex with a single one of them, there’s not a single (Christian) man I know who would consider her a slut. If she slept with a few of them after dating for a few months, no man I know would consider her a slut anymore than a woman who slept with a man on paid dates. It’s the frequency and speed of sleeping with the man that matters ESPECIALLY to men.
About the age of 30, I came to love paying for first dates because I viewed it as a tool for a smart man to control the situation (hence, the “dumb” portion of your judgement). A woman who sleeps with a guy because he pays for a few meals is, in my opinion, “dumb”. I know dozens of women who are angry with men and feel betrayed that the man paid for dates, said the correct things, and passed all of her tests and then dumps her after sleeping with her. Hell, this kind of advice on how to bed women is common on Return of Kings! This connects into your story of your stepfather who puts on a show of force to keep suitors in line. This works with weak men who are afraid of authority, but the tough ones that generally turn women on aren’t going to be discouraged. It’s amusingly the opposite of my experience with my father-in-law.
When I visited my wife’s parents, I have never felt so welcomed. They threw me a nice dinner and I enjoyed being with them as much as my (future) wife. They no doubt were looking at me carefully and sharing their opinion with her and instead of scaring me off, they simply would have had her tell me to leave if they had concerns. My comfort with them also encouraged me to let my guard down, which I did, to show I was an honorable and trustworthy man. It was a good way to start a relationship instead of the sexual bartering that is the typical courtship dinner-date ritual. I actually invited THEM to go out on a date with my wife and I to the Odessa opera house because I liked having them around. I also took them and my wife to the Amsterdam cabaret which, sadly, got shut down during the economic crisis. It was a wonderful show. To this day, I love my father and mother in law as much as any of my own biological family.
I don’t think my wife ever brought home a man to her parents she would feel needed to be reminded to treat her well because she wouldn’t associate with such a man to begin with.
Do you see my point about what “smart” or “dumb” is?
I’m going to encourage my daughter to ask out the men she feels are good husband material and even pay their way on the first date. I saw several women pass up fantastic men such as doctors and professors because they wanted to wait for him to ask her out and go through the paid-dinner-date thing. In addition, when they did get paid dates from a wealthy man, they wound up feeling a need to sleep with him after a few dates because, correctly, such men had the financial resources to date other women and someone else would have sex with them if they didn’t.
Do you see my point? Ironically, that game made the women MORE slutty.
I want my daughter to feel encouraged to ask out suitable men and remain in CONTROL of her destiny. She shouldn’t have sex until she’s 100% sure she’s satisfied with him and if that takes several months, the guy should feel ok about waiting since the relationship should be founded on mutual appreciation. She shouldn’t even need my approval. I can’t always be there for her, so I want her to be capable of making great decisions anytime. Anywhere.
One thing I learned about life is that doing the unexpected is the way to gain advantage. I have many funny stories to tell about that way of living!
It’s been wonderful talking with you. Czesc and Do Zobaczenia!
I mean a woman who is not easy either cook for a man or the man takes them out. Or their family cook for him. A man has to show that he values a woman enough to commit to her.
I mean that for a woman sex is the equivalent of a man paying for dinner. A smart woman exchanges wisely. Feminism tells women the equivalent of telling men they are empowered if they give fancy dinner for two gift vouchers at random in the starbucks line … that this is how women are going to marry them. LOL. No.
The problem is traditional courtship, not feminist bullshit is what makes women happy. And I am an extremely happy married woman with a wonderful Ukrainian husband who is 1/4 Polish. I wake up sometimes and can’t believe how happy I am. He is so romantic, always surprises me, so wonderful. But feminism means that women are told to piss at tradition, but then they demand men behave traditionally towards them, when they behave anti-traditionally towards men and that’s very unfair.
If women don’t like it when men split the bill, then they should consider that men don’t like their feminist attitude just as much. Also if you allow a man to pay for you, you have to cook for him. You have to invite him to meet your family who cooks for him. When he meets your family, he is only allowed to leave if he ate and drank too much and is crawling out the house. Otherwise you are bad hosts.
You are doing the right thing with your daughter. “She shouldn’t have sex until she’s 100% sure she’s satisfied with him and if that takes several months, the guy should feel ok about waiting since the relationship should be founded on mutual appreciation. ” My husband loved that I got my dad involved for quality control, that he had to chase and get my father’s approval in addition to mine. I had a bad experience not following tradition, not involving dad, and dad was right. If he is the right guy, he has to meet you. This scares away creeps who just want to use your daughter for a fling. Men who are serious thrive on challenge and enjoy the challenge of meeting the father, and impressing the father. Act though and unimpressed, give him a hard time but not too hard the first time.
Women also like challenge. I used to be a feminist SJW. I couldn’t get men to pay attention to me as I looked like a man. Then I figured being a feminist was the problem, returned to tradition, then stopped having problems… so I value so much that my husband put an effort to court me and is such a wonderful loving man. If I was spoiled and had no challenge, and didn’t have to work on myself and improve myself, I would not appreciate my amazing husband – and wouldn’t be so happy.
Asking guys on a date is stupid. It removes power from the woman and gives it to the man. Men take it as a single that the girl is desperate and easy. Seriously don’t play with millenia of human courtship. It’s like chemicals destroying the Ozone layer and all the chemicals people were proud they could make in the 1960s as they felt they were God and could defy God.
Rather, I recommend you not try funky social experiments on your daughter – this stupid stupid asking out men advice – she’ll hate you for it. Trust me. Instead, take her to Poland. Actually go to Poland, go to a church in a small town in Poland (urban areas anywhere, courtship is messed up). Ask the men, and have your wife ask the women how things work. Then follow those things until you find out why they do it. Also send her to a Greek Catholic church, they are very traditional, many Ukrainians of Polish heritage go there.
Sex is sex, and though the human tools have changed, our brain has not caught up with the evolution. For millions of years the mating dance was hunter brings juicy steak to hot chick. If hot chick accepts steak, he can court her, usually with approval of some muscular man in her family, if not a group of them.
Yes women started working but even where men and women farm, the courtship dance differs little from the caves. You tell her to be modern, she will be miserable. Believe me. I know what I am talking about.
If she wants a guy to date her, she should join beauty pageants with an aim to win. She’ll learn posture, body language, how to dress and so on attractively. Then she can walk about to a guy she is interested in and smile. She can’t rob a man of initiative or deep down he’ll feel robbed of masculinity. What a man to do something – always make him think it’s his idea. Tell a man, it doesn’t get done. Make a man think it’s his idea, it gets done right away. I hope my husband doesn’t see this lol. But he knows.
The reason Muslims and others are replacing western Europeans is Western Europeans don’t have kids because they did too many experiments on their courtship dance. The result is people are confused and unhappy. By the time two people who are a match for each other figure out the mating dance, the woman is 45. I am in Canada, and see this on the Quebec side. Muslims and Ukrainians meanwhile follow their tradition, aren’t confused, usually get married in their 20s, have kids in their early thirties/late twenties. Meanwhile among feminist leftist French Quebecois there is practically a white-self-genocide.
Sorry I was harsh as I had a miserable French Canadian feminist roommate and see so many miserable French Canadian women. I am half Arab and they are so racist, because they are so miserable – that’s where their energy from unable to get their boyfriend of many years able to commit to them goes to .
After for your daughter, a man has to jump through hoops to value a woman and love her. Its the jumping through hoops and commitment – not the brief infatuation that creates lasting love. Remember all the old fairytales of knights going on quest and slaying dragons for the love a woman? And today women just offer them their bodies like nothing. Then they complain where has the romance gone, why can’t it be like a Disney fairytale?
Because back in the days of fairytales, women were chaste. Do you notice the crazy expensive weddings in the west, where women are psychos about some stupid wedding dress? It’s because it’s the only day they can feel like a princess. It’s the only day they can feel like a woman who is valued, who is loved. It’s the only day in a woman’s life to feel traditional hence loved in the modern world – so they go nuts over it. For me, it was a nice day to bring friends and family to celebrate a signing of an agreement and have fun, and start a beautiful life together. The honeymoon was first at the Ukrainian festival, days of partying, so fun, and then Quebec City, so romantic – was like a dream and I haven’t woken up from that dream. My wedding dress cost $80, on sale, and its black and white, modern at the front, traditional at the back, so has been reused to go out in the evenings.
Trust me, take your daughter to a traditional church, either one with Latin mass or Byzantine Catholic. Follow the traditions passed down by the centuries when it comes to courtship, and she’ll be a happy woman. Let her get connected with traditional polish culture, and visit the country and churches in traditional Poland often. Then she’ll feel like a princess all her life.
Maria, that’s a pretty big kalacja of words you gave me to digest. I’ll try to be brief and clear:
I talked with Polish and American men and women and don’t worry about women in the states knowing how to play games and hard to get and demanding men please them. American women are perhaps the hardest to please sookhas out there. Rather than turning on a strong man on the chase, it makes the men into weak pussy cats trying to please her and begging for sex. I think women find this a turn off. Do you like men who are beggars or tell you crap you want to hear? Sure, I think in the short run you do. We all do. But then we feel betrayed that they lie to us. Whether it’s feminists running to the government or girls running to daddy, they want someone else to somehow magically protect them while they do as they please. And this is before feminism, but also key to feminism.
You find the notion of me advising my daughter to ask out men insane. But of course, that’s how I want her to get ahead: By not doing things like other women. I don’t want her to ask out lazy, horny slobs who are desperate to get laid so they’ll jump through a woman’s hoops and maybe marry her because they don’t think they can do better. I don’t want her to ask a normal guy out on a date and sleep with him. I want her to spot the educated, reliable men that are fantastic father and husband material, strike up a conversation, and if he seems like someone whose going to give all the bells and whistles then close the deal. Not sex, but get him dating her and exclusively her. Sure, she can pay for the first date if she wishes (he’ll probably insist upon paying) but he’ll probably offer to pay for the other ones or even all of them for this reason. Swuhai! (Listen)
Out of respect and gratitude.
Rather than hitting the man with a stick like a sobaka: Ignoring him, making him jump through hoops, using sex treats to get him to roll over, have an adult conversation and courtship with a top level man that other women sat around waiting to ask them out and MISSED OUT ON. And no, I don’t see this happening a lot in the states. I truly wish I did.
My daughter won’t need me to judge the men or to scare them because she’ll be in control which is very “feminist”, but not in the shrill victim style of feminism. And yes, if he mooches a date off of her and tries to mooch elsewhere, she’ll dump him. Or if he turns out to have “bad habits” she’ll dump him. If he tries to get into her pants after she says “no”, she’ll dump him. I won’t need to be there to threaten him to treat her right. She’ll send that message loud and clear, on her own, from the beginning AND throughout the marriage.
But also, I think the man will be happy with her, and me, like I was with my in-laws. That he’ll respect and enjoy her as a wonderful, kind, responsible, decent, trustworthy woman that’s worth waiting for.
I can appreciate that you mind find my views unconventional but note that I’m unconventional, my wife is unconventional as well. I didn’t just engage in “sex tourism”. I explored my roots, made lifelong friends around the world, developed myself, and lived my life and had something to offer my daughter more than just a fancy car and home in the city. My wife spends most of the time with our daughter, but she says I have “magic hands” because my daughter knows that I understand her and listen.
I’m happy you had such a wonderful, unconventional wedding.
When man has a daughter he thinks not like other men )))
Poor you Americans. I come from a traditional society, my job is to protect my family and defend my community – as for men, hell I can use another hand. In that way my husband is awesome. It’s like there are two of him and two of me.
” American women are perhaps the hardest to please sookhas out there. Rather than turning on a strong man on the chase, it makes the men into weak pussy cats trying to please her and begging for sex.” Yep. I see that, they are just so not worth a man’s attention. They can’t even cook with a microwave properly. Men should boycott them altogether. In Yemen we have a saying “as bad as having an American wife” …. usually used to describe cancer, fatal illness, things like that.
It’s not insane about asking out men. It’s more like I asked guys out to prom because I wanted to fit in, not to look like the weird immigrant kid and asked for a date for that. It was awful. I said to hell with it and asked another immigrant girl who had the same problem as me and felt equally hurt and humiliated from this stupid dumb shit practice of being told to ask guys out for prom.
I guess Arab women aren’t spoiled by their men, but western women are. Prosperity breeds cucks. “Do you like men who are beggars or tell you crap you want to hear? ” No, they’ll get me hurt, I’m no fool.
” Whether it’s feminists running to the government or girls running to daddy, they want someone else to somehow magically protect them while they do as they please.” Because weak men let them get away with it. In Yemen to have a voice in the negotiating table, women joined the army and revolution and fought with guns. Some got injured, one killed. “And this is before feminism, but also key to feminism.” I noticed western men are cucks to women, and women aren’t sexually attracted to cucks, they are sexually attracted to alphas, assertive men who say no when they are unreasonable. I like that my husband says no to me when I ask something mindlessly, not realizing that logically, duh, it’s unreasonable and I would have said no in his place. Men in the US and western Europe need to be more assertive. Not aggressive, assertive. Jerks get more than betas and appeasers, but alpha assertive men get it all.
As for teaching your daughter to ask out boys, she’ll hate you for it. It was so horrible embarrassing, humiliating and not fun. I really hated the dumb shit experimentalist messed up in the head selfish adults who gave us that advice. It took both of us girls years to forgive them. It’s very disempowering …. guys in highschool treated us like shit after that. Forget fitting it – it was a deeply traumatic and scarring experience.
I since hate stupid dumb shit adults who dumb their dumb shit academic thought experiments and philosophy on kids as if they are some lab rats. If you want lab rats instead of kids, don’t have kids, have lab rats. You are extremely cruel to children and should not have them in the first place. You really have no idea what you are doing to young women. I was lucky I came from a traditional culture, other girls in my class who went down that path then though maybe if they gave guys blow jobs, maybe they would get a prom date, and those girls didn’t enjoy giving blow jobs and said so.
The advice you are giving your daughter is the same as female gentile mutilation – in Africa some one think a woman has higher status and is more chaste (far from the truth) if she has female gentile mutilation, but the woman feels nothing during sex. It becomes a chore to do for her husband like vacuuming.
Being unconventional — biology is conventional. It is what it is. Oh well she will be just like the many “unconvential” Quebecoise women complaining why their live-in boyfriend at 43 won’t commit to them.
When you say you got in touch … it sounds like on a somewhat superficial level, because I do have friends from actual Poland who are very traditional, but again moved to the city, don’t come from Warsaw. You can be unconvential in your work and life, but when it comes to courtship, no social experiment works. All it does is make women unhappy, so they try another experiment. By the time they figure out what makes them happy – the same for 95% of women, they are 45 and the eggs dryed up, and finally they are happily married.
Instead teach your daughter to look pretty, walk confidentially and smile at guys she likes – confident woman pick up. If they are not single, they will go up to her and ask for her number. Teach her it’s a numbers game, nothing personal. If she doesn’t like how her boyfriend treats her, next. Never put boys on a pedistol. Men respond to body language as in – does her body language communicate high prize wife material, or low end girl, or slut, etc. Plus clothes gives same status signals, which one is she sending. plus is she hot (healthy weight, healthy looking face, long hair)? Female pick up is different than men’s.
There are things in male pick that don’t work like chasing girls down the street with roses, panting and shouting at them “am I in heaven because an angel dropped out of the sky” – that stuff doesn’t work and if I told my future son that’s how he should pick up chicks, he’d hate me later. Just like male pick up, there are laws of physics, what works, what doesn’t.
It’s like say “I am unconventional, I will teach my child that gravity is optional, especially on cliffs, it’s just a state of mind”.
I am glad you have magic hands with your daughter, but don’t be selfish with her about pushing social experiments. She’s not a lab rat but a human being. Teach her tradition, and let her figure out life herself.
In art, you need two great teachers, a strict one to teach you the rules, and a fun one to teach you that you can sometimes break them. In today’s modern world, the former has been abolished, and all teachers are of the latter type, leading to misery and low standards.
Teach her tradition and religion, the more Orthodox, the better, and also teach her that when she leaves and lives on her own, she will be free to experiment and figure out what she wants. Remember to say what key rules are to never be broken, what others you’ll all follow until she leaves the home so she has a sense of tradition and can fall back on or re-interpret the rules if need be.
She is a human being, not your lab rat. Teach her the most traditional Polish Catholicism you can find… and as you do that – let her know that after she has it down pat, as she grows older is free to experiment, and as she grows older, gradually loosen the reigns. Not all one go so she doesn’t become a crazy rebel. Teach her what worked for 1000s of years even be strict in the beginning and when she’s older, she’ll love you for it. From their pick key non-negotiable, then losen up the rest.
For example a curfew and a chaperon .. when she is older, loosen it up. Build up standards, so she doesn’t have to behave like those male beggars. When the modern stuff my friends were not doing wasn’t working for me, I went back to tradition, I was glad for having that option. Tradition is wisdom passed down the centuries.
You don’t have to agree with me, but years down the road, your daughter will come to find what I say is true. You can not believe in gravity, but if you tell your daughter gravity is all in her head, then she jumps and injures herself, she isn’t going to like you.
I am glad that you are teaching her to take responsibility, and that is key, so she doesn’t turn out to be an American over entitled sooka/koorva. I am glad you are married and happy, because I feel bad for men living in the US. I am so happy and lucky with husband… American men with their spoiled brats must be so miserable. It’s key to teach kids to take responsibility for themselves and for others. In Yemen, each kid in the neighborhood is given for a brief time responsibility to watch over a younger kid. This really helps preventing spoiled brats.
Trump gave his kids responsibilities at an early age so they turned out normal. I commend you do that and that’s how normal kids are raised.
Hello/Czesc/Privyet Maria,
Again, a lot of food for thought so here goes: As you discovered, asking out someone especially in closed social environment is often painful. You not only have to deal with the rejection, but also shame of rejection. One of the things I dislike about many American women waiting to be asked out was how callous and insensitive they were to the risks the man took to make that approach. Being rejected by one girl at school lowered a guy’s social status with the remaining girls. Who wants to date a non-alpha loser, yes? American women are particularly cruel when rejecting a man and even took it a step further by trying to get them fired. More on the mistakes you made when asking someone out later. For now, a moment of perspective:
You speak often about the importance of a man taking charge and knowing how to ignore a woman’s craziness at times. What this means is that, ultimately, I decide what’s best for my daughter and certainly not you, a nice woman I’m talking to online. I respect your right to your opinion and enjoy reading it. I also carefully consider my wife’s opinion and, ultimately, my daughter’s as well. I would never send her out into the wild with a stick and compass and tell her to survive. I would coach her to be ahead of the pack, not with it. That requires more than me just telling her “go ask a guy out”. Did you pay attention to me saying she should only ask out men she considered worthy and to carefully consider the traits of these men? Just as a man should think twice before asking out a pretty, but selfish rude girl who is likely to reject and mock him in front of his colleagues, taking responsibility in one’s life requires careful thought.
I remember several nice girls who flirted with me and I didn’t catch their “hints”. And even worse, in the USA, there are a lot of “teases” out there. Girls who flirt to be cruel to men and then claim she never was interested and mock him. So if (or when) I had a boy, I would also advice him before asking out girls to have his “game” (as RoK puts it) at top form not only in how he approaches, by whom he approaches and why.
These are all factors you didn’t consider, obviously. You asked out a few boys, you didn’t like it, and you decided to wait for men to ask you out. And this is why there are so few women comedians, cosmonauts, and explorers. This is why feminism requires a special womblike environment where western chivalrous men protect them so they can complain about how oppressed they are.
You certainly don’t like asking out men and decided to take the easy route. Waiting for men to approach you. You aren’t in a position to advise someone how to ask someone out because you found it so emotionaly painful you gave up. And that’s ok. But if you had a son, how would you advise him how to ask out girls? I don’t think you’re like the typical American woman, but you probably would advise him from your perspective as to what you want as a woman and…
that’s a HUGE mistake. My FIRST priority for my daughter is HER interests. A mentor advising a boy should make HIS interests first priority. Not conforming to tradition, or what makes women happy, etc. That’s what RoK is (usually) all about. Advising men how to take charge of their lives and see things from their perspective rather than as serfs. Sometimes, what is best for the boy isn’t what makes the woman happy all the time. One way I found to get respect from women was learning the magic slovnik, “nyeh”. It doesn’t make women happy in the short run, but it does in the long one. 🙂
I wouldn’t advise my daughter to ask out a boy, and how, unless it served HER personal interest. Zrosumiecz? My wife is amused at how women ask each other, including her, for advice on how to find a great man but not the Pollack sitting in the living room who accomplished so much in his life with so little. They go to discotechs. I would have advised them to go to the multiple free science seminars I know if in DC that have a 100;1 male to female ratio with no man in the room earning less than $100,000. Where are they more likely to find a decent eligible man? Yet, women don’t attend these things because they’re boring or out of their field.
I hope you see that I truly love and respect women, but don’t always trust them. I value women as an important part of my life. I want to earn my daughter’s trust and you can rest assure that if I’m sometimes wrong and make mistakes, I’ll own them.
Take care.
Hints – it starts with being in a pageant. You learn how to do that. You learn how to have the courage to walk up to people and indicate interest. Shy nice girls give too subtle hints, you are right. So I recommend pageants. Hints I mean walking up to a guy, looking at him in the eyes, touching his shoulder kind of stuff. It’s very key for women to walk confidently and make it very obvious that they are interested. Basically non-verbally ask out the guy. Then the guy thinks you asked him out, but everyone but him in the starbucks line thinks the girl asked him out
I think it would be fun to share my observations of how the states used to be about 30 years ago. Just as the former USSR was a different place, the USA also was radically different not just culturally, but also due to the technology of the times.
Back in caveman times, there was no internet. Telephone time was limited and everyone shared a single line. It cost about 2 cents a minute, in 1980 money, to call your next door neighbor. A good 25 cents or so per minute to call national long distance. There were personal ads, but few women wanted to use them because they expected men to ask them out plus women considered themselves losers if they resorted to the ads. They had the expectation that a man should ride up on a white horse and ask her out.
In school and work, the system worked ok. Not great. After all, most kids are emotionally awkward and clumsy and have limited social circles. “Cold” ask outs from men, or flirtations from women at “starbucks”, would meet with poor success. A girl might flirt with a guy at the coffee shop for a full 10 minutes until she gives up and not know why. Did he have a girlfriend already? Did he not catch the hints? Did he not desire her? For guys, girls might be friendly just because they’re friendly. Most girls largely didn’t do much of anything. Most people didn’t date much unless they were attractive and popular. The discos were poor places to meet sincere people since they are loud and discourage social interaction, ironically.
For men who were “power players”, they cleaned up. The women were passively waiting to be picked up and there were few men around skilled enough to do so. Typically, these men worked as salesmen, or they had their own version of RoK “game” advice (“How to get the woman you desire into bed” was a good example of such a book). Even without man hating feminism of the time, I’d say that relations between men and women were difficult.
I’m not saying right or wrong at this point but just a cultural observation as a man of the times.
I already don’t think like most other men, 123 🙂
Better for you 🙂
As I like to say: be good and do good
And avoid Maria’s advices. Expert! Lol.
Is Lori, the one on the left, or right on the above picture ??
Good points which should apply to any female you want to date, wherever on the world.
For me these ones are big:
– Women who work with a majority of men (she will behave more like a guy, has “male friends”, casual sex with multiple colleagues over the years,) I really believe that a male environment affects women hormonal.
– Say they have male friends and believe these friendships are genuine (delusional)
– Women who live alone (promiscuity going berserk)
– Chained to her cellphone (it pops out immediately during silences in conversations)
– She doesn’t bother making herself look good a.k.a “you are too much work”
– Women who visit a lot of festivals. That is the poor-girls worldtrip. What happens at the festivalcamping stays at the festivalcamping.
Why is it that girls who have travelled Europe with her girlfriends are to be avoided?
I am curently interested in an EE girl who has done that, as well as being 28 (and I think living alone). Those the only things in this list that fit in on her. What do you think?
Because if they’re travelling with girls rather than partners, they are looking for an Eat, Pray, Fuck experience. The odds of them riding the European cock carousel get much higher, as with any girl who travels alone or with her girlfriends in Europe.
Great list for EE girls. Funny, these aren’t warning signs in Western women, these are just western women, in total.