460 thoughts on “6 Reasons To Never Be Friends With Girls”

1. 7. Women don’t see men with many women friends as fuckable. Instead, they’re rightly viewed as suckers.

2. Get male friends, they’re better.
   Amen to that. But make sure that they’re male friends who are not the kind who are “friends” to girls like the schlubs written about in this article. Men poisoned by feminism/white knights are toxic no matter that they’re men.
   I’ve kept some very few women around in my life because they serve a strategic purpose, but I rarely if ever see them or talk to them and basically only contact them when I need them for that specific purpose. Kind of like keeping a lawyer on retainer, in a way. My general rule of thumb is, for the normal girl, if she’s not sucking my dick then I’m really not interested in hearing about her day. Even if she is I’m still not actually interested, but I’ll feign a smile at times.

   1. Anyone else have to vet their wife/gf/fuckbuddy before starting a conversation? Here’s my normal process:
      Her: “You’ll never guess what I found out today!”
      Me: “Is this someone I don’t know or a celebrity?”
      Her: “No.”
      Me: “Is this about a TV show?”
      Her: “Yes…”
      Me: “Don’t care.”
      I’m a little more polite to other women (being a Southerner and all), but I still typically disregard any bullshit topics.

      1. I’m like that with my wife. I have better things to do with my time than discuss catty b/s.

      2. Heh. Picked up this approach naturally over time. I think men need to override the media induced guilt tripping over seeking pleasure from not listening to vapid content from females.

   2. I’ll write this down, maybe the Lord will see it here.
      I wish I would have some real male friends. What I have now are: 1 true male friend – got his girlfriend pregnant and is now a pussywipped dad. 1 true male friend – acts like a total retard aroung women, going out his way to please them – hoping he might get a piece of pussy. And that’s about it…The only way for me to meet true males is buy getting inside their own club. That’s why next year I will buy my very first SUZUKI BANDIT 600 !

      1. You going to do some track days? Meet a good group of guys that way.

         1. I’ll have to go to another country, mine doesn’t have any tracks. Yes I will ! I’ll buy the bike this winter.

3. The primary reason to interact with women is to attain sex, but all such relationships should be to your advantage or at least quid pro quo, if you aren’t benefiting in some way, then there is no reason to put up with her crazy (and even then, any self-respecting man should keep that to a minimum or she will seek to walk on you).
   You should always set the tone and boundaries regardless because AWALT if you let them to be.

   1. One of my wife’s friends got *really* annoyed when I pointed out that men who are “friends” with women do so only because they want to fuck those women. While gay guys are not in that equation, for most all other cases, it’s the truth. She gets mad, I think, because no straight men want to befriend her (she got fat and ugly as she aged). Heh.
      She also has a huge “issue” with older men (read, mine and her husband’s age) who date girls who are in their 20’s. I like laughing at her about that one too. As if her being fat and ugly (now) entitles her to men her own age. It’s a wonder that she makes it through the day without exploding in rage at all of the things that happen, but “shouldn’t”.

      1. Funny enough I know a couple homosexual men and they can’t stand it when women think they can be friends just because they won’t sleep with them. The one that is a fairy I think summed up the stance pretty well:
         “Just because I’m a faggot doesn’t mean I’m going to hang out with some condescending cunt and no, I’m not going to hook her up with a guy she thinks is cute.”

         1. It may sound weird, but you can learn a lot about keeping frame from watching how gay men interact with women. They’re the gold standard for frame control, because they never get flustered, because vagina ewww.
            tl;dr — Listen to the way gay guys neg women, and imitate.

         2. Interesting. However, my belief is women generally only shit-test guys they are interested in, so I don’t know how often one would observe this. But who knows, many people say it’s something women aren’t even consciously doing, they just automatically shit test people as a routine. Which I believe when you look at how they just hit you out of nowhere with something.

         3. They don’t even need a shit test. Gay guys, especially bitchy ones, neg women with nuclear force for no reason, particularly on clothing. It’s eye-opening to watch women come crawling back to them for the privilege.
            IOW: bitchy gay guys run asshole game better than most straight men do.

         4. truth, even the not that fabulous ones and they’re always at war with other gay dudes that annoy them and bring out the nuclear insults. Gay guys and their female friend of choice are such cunts together, but it’s fun. Gay guys also only have pretty female friends. If you’re ugly they will let you know.

      2. Yeah I overheard someone yesterday discussing the OK Cupid study they did (those guys are mathematicians) that analyzes the ideal age of a mate. Women typically preferred guys within 5 or so years of themselves. Guys, no matter their age, preferred girls between 20 and 22. Female and her manfriend were ranting at how gross and creepy this was. OK, but it’s the truth. Sorry, toots.

         1. They forget what all of the makeup and beauty products are for, to make them appear younger than they are. Hence, the plastic surgery industry.

         2. Good point. I’ve read before that basic makeup makes a female appear like a 13 year old. That’s the age when girls have that natural red glow around their cheeks, and before the skin starts breaking out in pimples and has a smooth complexion. So every one that cakes on the makeup is trying to mimic the natural looks of a barely pubescent child.

         3. Yep, even in high school I found the minimal makeup on a girl far more attractive. Something seemed off and they resembled dolls to me. Twenty years later and it still rings true.

         4. Women wear heels to mimic that female pubescent look of having abnormally long legs.

         5. It’s not “creepy”. It’s the natural order. First wife comes along, has a few kids, dies in childbirth, and the man, now older, takes up a significantly younger girl BECAUSE there were no divorcees his age out running around at the time. OR, man gets married, wife has a few kids, kids grow up, wife gets that special woman time where everything stops, man picks up a mistress who is significantly younger. This was common even in the middle class until very recently. This whole “eww creepy” comes straight from feminism. Fuck that. It’s hot, I say.

         6. Well, the funny thing nowadays is the number of middle aged wives dumping hubby (and often the kids). Guy who has just got dumped probably isn’t in a hurry to get serious about anybody and middle aged women are on the last gasp of opportunity who want to get serious. He’s also probably not in hurry to deal with all the same middle-aged female garbage , pain and turmoil he just got put through. Makes 20-22 year olds who they won’t get serious about look better for more reasons then just their looks.

         7. Precisely. I went out with a girl in her early 20s who said I was the youngest guy she’s been out with in a while (apparently her past guys were all in their 40s+). She accepts this as a good matchup, which of course it is, and she is quite reasonable in many other ways (of course still childish and silly in others). I did make the bad mistake of not complimenting her on her unpierced and untatted skin (as far as I could see). I feel bad about that, and will make a big point of it the next time I see her.

         8. True; and that’s because women fear aging practically more than anything else, because aging takes away their ‘beauty power’. And the modern Western female has spent little to no effort in developing other ‘feminine’ aspects of their personality to attract men other than their beauty; once they age, they lose their ‘beauty power’ and then wail about the absence of ‘Good Men’ in society.

      3. True. If the girl is sexy enough, a man will want to fuck her and won’t be content with just “being friends”, period. Theoretically, the only scenario for this friendship to be possible is if the girl is unattractive enough to the point that you don’t want to fuck her… but then again, what would be the point of having such a friendship?
         Being friends with a girl you want to fuck already sucks for all the reasons listed in the article so why would anyone in his right mind go through all of that for a girl they wouldn’t even dream about banging?
         And that’s why I think it’s a huge mistake to believe that gay dudes would be good friends with girls in the same way we are friends with our bros. If straight dudes only tolerate women’s BS because we are/may be fucking them, what value could possibly be in it for the gays? It’s not like they are friends with women, they actually envy them, they envy the way they are able to enjoy a dick in manners gay men will never be able to, the way women get male gaze in a scale gay dudes will never get. So really, don’t be fooled by the “women and gays are BFFs” fallacy..

4. When I first read this I thought, maybe this is a guide to being a beta boyfriend. Then I saw there was no ‘boy’ used, and I saw everything you described as my personal hell. If you aren’t already sleeping with a woman, or have a rotation to choose from to sleep with, or planning to raid a small village of nubile women using said ‘friend’ as bait, she is not your friend. One sided friendships need to stop. A woman is always best friends with the penis entering her and based on how calm that penis makes her, dictates how much ‘friendship’ she has to spare for the rest of the world. At their core, women do most activities out of a leverage standpoint. If not to gain advantage over you, then it is someone else. Don’t be abused or be the friend in a one-sided friendship.

   1. Elvis knew the score.
      See “One-Sided Love Affair”

      1. Elvis got that right. Best line: “If you can’t take it, then baby, why try to give it?” No woman who you could ever do the nails of, massage when in pain, or take to the hospital when sick, will ever do any of the same behaviors for you outside of what the penis that is plowing her will allow. And even when it will allow her, she will likely still use that as an excuse because honoring behavior is just foreign to women.

         1. No woman? Unless you marry her. My wife does all this and more, self sacrifice is encoded on her soul. I guess I got lucky.

         2. You are lucky.

         3. You probably didn’t need anything requiring real effort until she was old enough to realize she would be worse off if she dropped you.

      2. While elvis gave that song it’s soul I believe it was ray parker who gave it its lyrics.
         You are a big elvis fan, maybe you have a good answer to this question. Most of the Elvis tunes that people love were covers. Nothing wrong with that, that is the way music was done then…especially blues. He was revolutionary brining that stuff to a white crowd and doing it the way the black musicians had been doing it since the days of Son House and Robert Johnson…with covers.
         My question is, to what degree do you think Elvis picked songs which had lyrics he identified with or felt something for? Or did he pick songs that he thought he could really make sound good? Was it a mix? Did he even pick the tunes?
         And what about the Leiber/Stoller written tunes. They wrote them for Elvis to perform but it was Elvis that made them come alive.
         I have always wondered about Elvis the man and how much he was a performer versus a poet.

         1. Very true, I found this very disappointing when I realized it. ‘What a Wonderful World’ is a cover too. Although the term may not be appropriate as it was the first commercial recording. The lyrics were offered to him by the writer.

         2. He had a strong hand in accepting or rejecting lyrics. If you follow his career he had phases he went through, and those were not guided by The Colonel (who ruined him in other ways, to be certain). He had the bottled lightning phase (basically “Hey, girls are cool, let’s start contemplating fucking each other”) combined with some traditional tunes (Blue Moon of Kentucky) that long pre-dated his arrival, the Vegas phase, the “white jumpsuit” phase (not the same as Vegas necessarily, he was reborn with Viva Las Vegas), the old timey Religious phase (where he really did guide the hand on the tiller strongly).
            While I can’t really say *how* much of a say he had per se, he did seem to have enough that he guided his career through very distinct musical “moods”. The religious stuff sticks out especially to me as indicating he had a huge hand in accepting lyrics, because he was a profoundly religious man, to the point of obsession sometimes, and was criticized at times for going too Gospel, but he continued to do so.

         3. makes sense to me.
            It is much different with pop singers today. While Elvis also had song writers and did covers just like pop singers today do when you listen to it you can really feel a connection between Elvis and the Song. Is this because it isn’t going through 10 billion layers of electronics before it comes to you? Is it because elvis was gifted that way? Is it because elvis actually cared about the lyrics and felt them even though he didn’t do them himself? Probably all of these in some ratio.
            I feel the same thing with Ray Charles. Back when I was in college I make a list of all the Ray Charles songs where he mentions seeing something in the lyrics (yes, I was a dork what of it).
            So when Ray Charles sings
            I ate a bowl of chili and I felt OK / At least until I passed this fine café / I saw a man in there eating a great big steak / while the waitress stood by feeding him ice cream and cake…..
            It’s like…Ray, we know you didn’t see that man eating the great big steak. But when Ray Charles sings it the feelings of envy really do come through. He may not have seen the steak, but he had that feeling and it translated to the song.

         4. Elvis is said to have had some real problems with the songs he was made to do for various movie soundtracks, feeling they were sub-par quality cheap cash-ins, but then he also felt he wasn’t being allowed to stretch his acting chops either (I think he was right in both cases).

         5. Yeah, sound tracks and movies were a sticking point as I understand it.

         6. That was just the way things were done then. It was very much standard practice. But yeah, when you first realize all the songs you love were written by some English majors who didn’t have any stage presence it is a little funny.
            I think this is why Buddy Holly is so cool. In his world it would have been much more likely for him to song write for people who would have looked better on stage.
            The beach boys, believe it or not, were actually ground breaking in this way (and others) in that they were a boy band with a spectacular amount of musical and lyrical talent.

         7. He was so into singing that I think he could make anything zing. He was fanatical about church choir as a youth. He grew up poor (by our standards) and found comfort and joy in singing, which really was all he had at his disposal.
            It’s amazing to me how many people today completely get it wrong in their quest for “Happy Never Sad Always Taken Care Of” socialism. It’s poverty, adversity and, yes, “mental problems” that many time are the forge where our greatest artists and achievers come from. By medicating everybody who isn’t “happy” all the time and by handing out free shit all the time, they are literally destroying the mortar and pestle of human creativity.

         8. “It’s amazing to me how many people today completely get it wrong in their quest for “Happy Never Sad Always Taken Care Of” socialism. It’s poverty, adversity and, yes, “mental problems” that many time are the forge where our greatest artists and achievers come from”
            This….
            And then again another 10 times.
            I don’t need a shrink to tell me I am this or that. You are depressed, you are anxious…fuck hun I am alive and tomorrow I may be dead, I am planning for an uncertain future and I have a whole complicated history behind me. I will not be a drone. I will not take your stupid pills. I will not participate in the homogenization of people for corporate consumption. Unless, of course, it pays really, really, really well.

         9. This is just coincidental, but I actually watched Fun in Acapulco (not one of my particular favorites) last night, the songs were horrid, but the Andress was terrific:
            

         10. Ray Parker? Ray Parker Jr?

         11. …

         12. Damn, that girl was purty.

         13. Your rather memey today

         14. Man, she is a beauty.
             IMO not only the first, but still the best bond girl. Oh Honey Rider.

         15. Speaking of pop sings, you hear about JLo’s latest? Trashing traditional roles from back in the day. How do we get justin bieber to do a song about the plight of the coal miners? Add a little counterbalance https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCiVMngILEI

         16. No I haven’t heard about JLo’s latest. I am an adult male and a heterosexual. lol.

         17. I guess lime green bikinis were in back in the 60s. Heres raquel welch – just saw this one last week- other than her, you arent missing much https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V585uQZg94k

         18. …who never reads the newspaper? got it

         19. Last Train To Memphis has the answers to your questions. And the follow up, Careless Love, has many more, though it is not upbeat.

         20. Of course, my favorite Elvis movie girl was Jocelyn Lane from Tickle Me:

         21. I forgot how pretty Rachel Welch was when she was young.
             The cool calm rather alpha indifference and smugness of the men in that trailer is quite refreshing too. You just don’t see that kind of thing in movies any longer, confident men. Even the dead guy is more masculine than most leading men these days, heh.

         22. I haven’t read a news paper or watched a news show in an incredibly long time. I am woefully ignorant about current events. I do see the news with closed captioning when I am doing my cardio at the gym but the lag is so bad that I am often confused and mostly just think it is hilarious.

         23. Not only can’t you find thin, attractive, flirty women like that anymore, you can’t find high dives either. All removed because of concerns that someone who can’t handle jumping that high hurting themselves. How fucking weak and pathetic.

         24. Unless it involves ingesting copious amounts of Kratom 😀

         25. And a shrink advising Kratom? Unlikely. That is as unlikely as kratom playing by someone elses rules besides its own which would never happen because kratom never plays by anyone’s rules, not even it’s own

         26. Me too ,been like it years,ignorance is bliss as they say

         27. What do you meme?

         28. You both are turning into some meme mother fuckers.

         29. Seriously? I think our pool had one the last time I was there, but granted, that was like 4 years ago or more. Need to check.

         30. all I see is a sailboat. no wait, its an F14, right?

         31. Who else you gonna call?

         32. Around here, NO new pool will have them. The only ones that have high dives are pools built 20 years ago or more. Of course, your neck of the woods seems like the kind of place that builds a quality pool that people will enjoy for a few years, without the need to bulldoze and rebuild every decade the way they waste our money around here.
             Ugh, if you really want to be disgusted, click this link. Looks like these articles started in the late 1980s, when governments began outlawing fun. Apparently even when they put in boards these days, they are stiff, and not springy, because the manufacturers are fearful someone will hurt themselves and blame the diving board company and want a payout.
             http://lmgtfy.com/?q=why+do+pools+no+longer+have+high+dives%3F

         33. What is this “newspaper”?

         34. A brave new world

   2. Yep. I’m only friends with the women I’m shagging. I wouldn’t even trust a woman to piss on the fire at night.
      I will say though, it is important to observe closely the women in your own family. Both my mother and my sister are great examples. They will turn on you in a heartbeat (even their own flesh and blood) and then immediately forget they did it.
      Why? Because women are ruled by emotion. Ethics are derived from logic. Thus you can only trust a woman to the extent that she needs something from you. That tells you everything you need to know.

      1. Yes, men must learn this the hard way. Though your mother will give you a love no one else ever will, even mothers are prone to the same failings of all women. I learned this a few years ago when I opened up to my mother vulnerably and emotionally about something that was bothering me. She didn’t use it against me the way girls my age typically would, but there was a clear lack of empathy and her attitude or behavior never changed after hearing this news.
         Great point on ethics being derived from logic. Men need to stop being angry at women for being unethical and illogical and simply accept that is how they are.

         1. I did the same once with my mother (concerning things she had done to me as a child that deeply hurt me). She just didn’t get it. “But you were just a child!”
            Because children are not people apparently. Honestly, I think at times she thought we just pets.

         2. I disagree on the accept part. I can accept it if women admit it or at least stop using the words love, empathy, i.e. since they are incapable of these things. Women have no agency, but their behavior is not something I am able to take lightly.

         3. Explains a lot about you actually…

         4. How do you mean?

         5. Don’t worry Bob. What that person said doesn’t even make any “sense” !! and that clearly “explains” a lot about Him (assuming that living being is a MALE) !!.

         6. “but their behavior is not something I am able to take lightly.”
            Perfect statement and same opinion here.

      2. Succinctly perfect.

      3. Honor, character, morals..these traits are worth more than gold. I learn so much from you guys. Makes me a better person, go figure.

   3. Treat ’em like the animals that they are.

5. Great advice.
   If you aren’t fuckin her, you’re just another one of her girlfriends.
   Men need to completely eradicate this very moment any females in their personal lives whom they see as “friends”. What exactly are they doing for you to help you become more masculine?
   The repeated exposure and proximity to females you aren’t fucking or are not acting in some form as your secretary will only extract the last drops of testosterone from your weak bitch boy flesh.
   They don’t need your help and they certainly don’t respect you for it. After all they have Big Daddy Govt. to help them all the time. Any help you give women allows them to increase in power as an economic and political power entity.
   Males who befriend and help women like this ARE THE FUCKING PROBLEM.
   Men need to look to the past in great traditions and rituals of antiquity to regain any sense of where they belong and what value they bring to society as men and patriarchs.
   A woman is NOT your fucking equal. If she is then you are just another female.
   Males need to rekindle the Sacred Fire of their ancestors again.
   http://thesavagelifestyle.com/sacred-fire-ancestors/

   1. Help you become masculine… what in the world.

6. Women make for a lovely pet. Not as good as a dog when it comes to loyalty, but most of them can be taught to clean up after themselves, are soft and bumpy in the right places and will suck cock so I say it is a wash with the tie going to whichever one you have less of at any particular moment.
   If treated as a good pet women will never let you down. You can’t let down someone who has very few expectations of you. It is when you start sharing your feelings with your dog or your woman that trouble is brewing.
   Remember, in pet ownership there has to be a master and a servant. If you try to be equals you will quickly find out that it doesn’t actually pan out that way and the pet is now in charge of the master.

   1. When I share feelings with my dog, he wags his tail and gives me a dopey look and still continues to love and respect me and obey me. A woman…eh…not so much. The “share your feelings and be sensitive” thing is a huge shit test that so many men have failed since the 1970’s. Emotional detachment is our Nuclear Option that most men have lost. If you can still do it though, you are impervious to women’s bullshit.

      1. You may share feelings with your dog on some level, but if you are asking the dog questions and expecting good advice….like “hey rover, I am thinking about quitting my job and making a life altering career shift” then you have some serious issues…Berkowitz comes to mind….
         I think it is ok to have feelings that you share with women and pets but they have to be understood as a level of separation.
         If you use women for their intended purposes then you will never have an unhappy woman or a broken heart.
         As frank Zappa so eloquently put it (since we are digging on music today)
         Some of you may not agree / but you probably likes a lot of misery / but take some time and you will see / broken hearts are for assholes

         1. I only ask my dog for advice to which I already have the answer. It works out better that way.
            “Hey, Fido, do you think I should drink Scotch tonight?”
            (happy dog face, tail wag, possible jumping up and down excitedly)
            “Exactly, I will then! Thanks Fido!”

         2. Perfect. Works with women too

         3. Zappa’s good shit, man.

         4. Fido has issues with more complicated questions like “Scotch or Bourbon”?
            But he’ll still wag and love ya either way.

         5. And that’s why I love dogs.

         6. “The more I understand women, the more I love my dog.”

         7. My dogs are pains in the ass as well. One won’t stop yapping all the time and the other doesn’t know how to be a proper lap dog. If I invite him up on my lap to watch tv while I pet him, we wants to lick my fingers and my face and won’t sit still. Right now, I’ll just take some plain old solitude.

      2. At least a dog will put a sad face of regret when you scold him for pooping on the carpet.

         1. If you’re woman if shitting on the carpet, you got bigger problems than if she feels bad about it or not.

         2. You know, at this point of my life, I wouldn’t be surprised, seeing how modern women are so lazy and filthy, if one of them actually pooped herself on the floor or in a bucket because she can’t fix a clogged toilet and needs to wait for a man to it for her.

         3. I feel like I remember seeing something like that recently…
            Girl goes over to guy’s house, toilet is clogged so she poops in her purse. Something like that.

         4. I think it was that she pooped in the toilet and it was clogged , then grabbed the floater with her hand and stuck it in her purse and then she was making out on the sofa with the guy and texting her girlfriend how she has a brown cake in her purse. Something like that,

      3. Yes, and in reality a women doesn’t want you to be the unstable emotional bag of worms wavering in the wind making decisions on a whim and feelings of the moment…
         She wants you to be a clear headed rock acting rationally.

         1. That’s been my experience.

      4. And pets won’t call cops or lawyers to settle even the most minute disagreements, unlike women.

   2. That reminded me of a certain episode of The Big Bang Theory where Sheldon trains the bad behavior out of Penny, with chocolates as a reward, to the displeasure of beta Leonard. Who knew it was possible in real life.

      1. I’ve never seen the show, but while it is doable to train a woman with rewards a) they should never be in the form of something that will make them fat and b) there needs to be a stick to the proverbial carrot.

         1. Greek yogurt and the occasional $10 bouquet of roses should do the trick.

   3. well put analogy

7. Don’t forget…
   5. Women who are friends of your girlfriend/wife.
   They’re in a class of their own.

   1. Yeah mentioned that below. My wife’s friend (girl) has become rather toxic.

      1. So far, my wife has been pretty good at keeping her friends in line. Not much chatty shit about all the hubby’s going on behind their backs. I think it also helps they’re all churchgoing, stable family units that she talks to. No carousel-riding single ladies.

   2. Sometimes husbands of your wife’s female friend if he’s beta.

   3. Your girlfriends friends are your defacto enemies. It’s just the way it is. Accept it and do NOT try to win them over.

      1. My ex’s friends were most definitely involved in ending the marriage. They all conspired against me behind the scenes.

         1. Sucks man. I’ve been there. I found though, that when I accepted the red pill and start applying it to my marriage, my wife began to gradually start rebutting her girlfriends. Now, she straight up avoids those girls and has a new set of friends, all of whom are happily married, so they don’t do the catty shit behind their man’s back.

         2. Sorry to hear that but it’s not surprising. Jealous women are pretty ridiculous with their actions and attitudes.

         3. While I haven’t said it, I’ve given the attitude that I don’t like my wife’s friends who aren’t married. Something about the way they look at me and then my wife..
            No. Just no.

         4. Successful men need a course in handling jealousy. It would’ve saved me so much trouble.

         5. They love the drama, and they love to watch another woman’s train wreck.

8. “It’s clear that many men continue to befriend females as a way of receiving whatever little validation they can as a substitute for their lack of love and sex.”
   Boommmmmm. This right here is gold. A needy men sees affection where it does not exist and, by personal experience, its the single most important advice one can give to a another men in this situation: she as attraction for you, move on, she does not, go hit another wave!!!

9. A sloot I met at my sister’s wedding, while a brilliant fuck (those bj lips) turned out to be way more trouble than she was worth. Turned up unannounced to my place when I was having the guys over for a poker/terrible horror film night. What can I say – its a guilty pleasure. She then proceeded to hang on every single one of my friends, jumping from one to the other and ended up fucking every single one of them at a later stage. They’re all still “friends” with her and she uses them as emotional tampons and no longer has sex with them, complaining her boyfriend is no fun, but she’d never cheat on him (HAH). Occasionally I’ll turn up to an event of some kind and she’ll be there and I make a game of treating her as badly as possible, you can practically see the pussy juice dripping down her legs, but I don’t fuck her anymore because she gave two of my friends chlamydia. Wrap it before you tap it boys, these chicks are sewers.

   1. I guess it was a “poke her” night after all.

      1. Poke her? I barely know her!
         or or!
         How do you wake up Lady Gaga? You poke her face.
         The poker jokes go on and on.

10. People in the past were smarter. They had single-sex education, during weddings or other social events men would sit on one side and women on the other. The interaction between husband and wife were strictly technical concerning family matters.
    When my wife complains (shit test): We never talk.
    I just reply: Find yourself a new girlfriend to chat with.

    1. It’s really effective. When I was married, I used to say the same thing. It works best if she’s just blathering, and she knows it. She’ll disappear to find her phone stat.

    2. I like getting super Mr. Spock when the wife “wants to talk”
       “We never talk”
       “We’ve talked every day”
       “No, I mean about us.”
       “Ok, what about us”
       “Where do you think we are?”
       “By the looks of it, the office”
       “No, I mean our relationship?”
       “By most estimates we’re into our 24th year of marriage, give or take”
       “No, I mean, what are your dreams for the future?”
       “Flying cars. Lots of flying cars”
       etc.
       If she needs a sounding board to vent Women Emotional Crap on, whatever, I can sit and pretend to listen. But to expect me to engage like a woman in a “feelings and dreams” discussion that has no actual point, well, um, no.

       1. You’re a more patient man than I. As soon as my wife gets going on a WEC session, I start getting annoyed very fast. They just go on, and on, and on, and on…..

          1. What they get out of boring a man to tears is beyond me. She mostly does the WEC stuff with her friends now, but once in a while she’ll let loose with a slew of shit I really could care less about.

          2. This is like a recruitment poster for staying single.

          3. Nah, you just learn to counter it. Like some men have already discovered, find out the bullshit she wants you to do that you despise, then do it so poorly that she’ll not want you to do it again. Like laundry for example.

          4. I normally give my wife the granny response. “That’s nice dear.”

          5. Mine just never gets to the point. My go-to response to a story that lasts over 10 seconds is “Does this story have a point? If so, get to it…now.”

          6. Heh, I do that too. Also “this is the third tangent to the conversation, was there an original point you were wanting to make”.
             Sitting listening to emotional spew that has no solution nor is one desired, for upwards of 45 minutes or longer, is not something I accept readily. If it requires a bathroom break, the discussion has gone on way past the point where I approve.

          7. I am incapable of doing anything poorly. I guess I will have to stay single.

          8. Yep, I basically have my own laundry service and chauffeur. Now if there was only a way to fuck up putting dishes in the dishwasher without it being too obvious…

          9. No, you see, you do “doing it so bad that she feels compelled to do it instead” at an expert level, and you’re golden. You don’t actually give it the Good College Try in order to get best results.

          10. That’s the way I do it, as soon as she starts I reply with ” give me the condensed version instead of the novel”.

          11. Hah, I tell her to give me the cliff notes, not the full novel. Great minds…

          12. No, I understand what you mean. I am literally incapable of not being perfect. It is my only flaw.

          13. You’re like Inspector 34 off of Pete & Pete.

          14. What is WEC?

          15. Women’s Emotional Crap

          16. Pool service, lawn service. I was on the cusp of getting a laundry service, but that keeps her busy, not me.

          17. Made me laugh. You ever hear ‘Moose Turd Pie?’ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zb1qsVqjwg
              A lot of women do not understand the simple truth about men that there is more than one way to do a job– if you don’t like the way I’m doing it, my way is not wrong so I will not change my method– but now you’ll be doing it your way.

          18. Women’s Emotional Crap

          19. “I was around……nobody knows, nobody knows.”

          20. My current Missus, when we first started dating gave me an emotional investigation about previous women I’d been in love with as I was a bit hot and cold with her at the time…. She was on the verge of tears the entire time….. I thought fuck this, went and had a bath, when I came out she’d sorted her shit out and we went for dinner.

          21. With the crappy, diseased, greedy, manipulative women of this modern society, that’s not so bad…

       2. My favorite is not being in the mood to talk at all – not for any particular reason other than just enjoying silence – and she won’t shut up. About everything. Then there’s the constant “Are you mad?” Question. They ask it so much that you eventually get irritated with them, which proceeds to “Why are you mad?” But if you tell her it’s because she won’t shut the fuck up, then there’s *angry* silence. Which at this point, I’ve learned to be alright with LOL.

          1. Yeah, the “why are you angry” thing when you’re not is a bullshit test.
             “I’m not, I’m evil, it just has the same standard look”

          2. Oh I love that question.
             “Are you mad?”
             “I’m getting there.”
             “Why are you so mad?”
             “BECAUSE YOU KEEP ASKING IF I’M MAD!”
             It’s seriously at the level of a toddler who just learned the “why?” game.

          3. I’ll have to use this.

          4. One thing I’ve found is that when the wife shit tests, I can throw back responses like that which still make her laugh to this day. It tamps them (the tests) down to a minimum.

          5. My grandfather used to say that you never know when you will find blessings in disguise. The mortar that ruined his hearing and made him need a hearing aid didn’t seem too great until he got a little older and realized if he turned his hearing aid off he no longer had to listen to my grandmother talk.

          6. I think that this is the female version of game.

          7. It’s pretty stupid game then…at least our game gets us laid. Theirs just risks their personal safety.

          8. My favorite thing is when a woman calls me an asshole and I can say “sweetie, that’s what made you want to blow me in the first place”
             There was an old Andrew dice Clay bit where he said you need to cum on a woman’s face and say “look what I did to you” and then cum on her face again and again and every time you do it say “look what I did to you AGAIN” and then when she starts shit with you just cut her off and say “sweetheart, how many times have I said again to you”

          9. Au contraire mon frer. It is very smart game. Remember, their goal isn’t getting laid. They don’t need game for that, they need cunts and they have them. Their goal is to be provided for by a simp who will be brow beaten and worship her while providing all her needs and pretending she is an equal….for that end game their female game is subtle, brilliant and amazingly effective.
             Most married men I see are totally under the yolk of their wives.
             Men talking about their “man cave” like it is a source of pleasure…FOH…my grandfather’s man cave was called the house and he let my grandmother use the kitchen and a small room with a singer sewing machine because he was nice…
             Men talking about being “in the dog house” or getting in trouble with the missus or their wife not putting out blah blh blah….
             that is all a result of the slow, subtle beat down that female toddler game gives them until they are just a fucking stump.

          10. At times that game makes me want to do like Bruce Willis in Pulp Fiction when he gets mad at his wife for forgetting the watch.

          11. LOL I love this anecdote.

          12. Too many men fear angry silence. I have learned to enjoy it because sometimes that’s the only silence she will provide. And no one has mentioned the Greatest of All Time emotional trap question: “Whatcha thinkin’ about?” Uuuuuugggghhh! I fucking hate that.

          13. Yep. I sit around with my father in-law at family cookouts and we just drink scotch, smoke cigars, and sit in silence away from the women. And it’s awesome.

          14. “Whatcha thinkin’ about?”
              I culled my wife from that one with such responses: Eg. “You and your cute girlfriend for a three-some.”

          15. Haha…your story, MY dad. He is always “forgetting” to put his hearing aid in.

          16. What women don’t understand is men will usually think about nothing. In fact, they can’t comprehend it. There was a comedian or preacher that did a skit on it.
              Women’s brains are like a bundle of wires. Thoughts cross and zip through the bundle. They always are thinking of something and will quickly flip from one topic to another.
              Men’s brains are like a shelf of boxes. We open one box, look in it, then carefully put it back before opening another box. There is one box men are particularly fond of and will, by default, go to it. That box has nothing in it. We will stare at that box for hours unless something compels us to put it back. Women don’t understand the joys of our box of nothing.

          17. Reminds me of a joke I heard once:
              A husband and wife are sitting on the couch. The wife, annoyed at the silence, finally asks the husband: “Hon, what are you thinking about?”
              The husband replies: “Babe, if I wanted you to know what I’m thinking about I’d tell you.”

          18. me too. I was blessed with two very cool grandparents.

          19. When I’m asked what I’m thinking about, I usually just say food. Then when she goes “well, you seem like you’re in a bad mood,” then I reply with “Because I’m hungry. I need to eat something.” That usually buys me some time. But then that also can turn into the “Let’s get something to eat,” aka “I’m going to say I’m agreeable but not actually want whatever it is you suggest,” conversation.

          20. “Penguins”
              or
              “Escape routes”

          21. Or just say a threesome and when she gives you that indignant look you say, “What? You’re one of them!”

          22. Holy shit, that is a genius analogy. That precisely describes why I hate the “whatcha thinkin’ about” question. Because 9 times out of 10 I am literally thinking about nothing. I am merely enjoying the simple pleasure of my mind resting and not working. They dont get it. They always act like I’m “hiding” something.

          23. I’ve been using something like this recently, and the reply is usually chocolate milk. After about the fourth time she just brought me a chocolate milk, saying that I seemed like I needed it. I guess that’s a win. Although I should have used something more meaningful like blowjobs or something. I still consider chocolate milk a win.

          24. Absolutely brilliant analogy.

          25. All the empty silver mines in Nevada and spelunking equipment with breathing gear.

          26. I’ve shown my wife that very skit and she still won’t believe me when I tell her I’m thinking of nothing. They simply can’t fathom it.

          27. That’s pretty good! You should test the waters with something bigger like a sandwich or a taco and work your way up to blowjobs.

          28. I doubt I would have the patience for a taco. A good taco takes a while, ya know?

          29. Ah, good point.

          30. and if a man doesn’t play that game today he is looked at as if something is wrong him.

          31. “Auto-mortar breech locking designs”
              “The horror… the horror ”
              “Scalars are zero-D, so the 8-dimensional Bott periodicity should mean a 14 rather than a 16 dimensional mother algebra, but I’m not sure the enumeration of quadratic forms works out.”
              “Dooooom. Dooo000OOOOM”
              “Same thing I always do, Pinky! How to take over the world!”
              “Your feelings, Honeybuns!”

          32. I’m envious of men’s ability to shut their brains off! To be fair, I think women’s incessant need to organize/plan is somewhat beneficial to the homestead. We are the impetus to a lot of shit getting done within the family. Conversely, men bring much needed calmness to a home. In a healthy relationship the sexes compliment one another. I don’t pull the “what are you thinking about crap” though. I figure if my husband has something to say to me, he’ll say it. I actually enjoy the comfortable silences.

          33. Then you’re one of the few and you’re absolutely right; men and women are made to complement each other, not be interchangeable cogs. Women seem to be better suited doing lots of little jobs around the house (laundry, dishes, etc). Men seem to do better on jobs that typically last longer (projects, mowing, etc).

          34. I knew someone was thinking the same thing as me! Quaternions should be considered to be 3D plus a 0D scalar, but I never see it communicated or even mathed that way. I think the reality of the situation is that math as we know is it based on scalars, making imaginaries an oddity that’s difficult to deal with. So what we need is to figure out how to make a math system that’s not based on scalars.

          35. Scalars are a zero-dimensional Clifford algebra (just real numbers, no vectors). A 3D Clifford algebra has 3 basis dimensions (vectors) which combine in pairs using the outer “^” “wedge” product to make three planes of rotation (bivectors) . All three vectors multiplied together make a volume (trivector).
              So: {1 scalar (grade 0), 3 vectors (grade 1), 3 bivectors (grade 2) and 1 trivector (grade 3) },( {1,3,3,1} is not coincidentally the 3rd row of Pascal’s triangle. A 0-D algebra is just the top, 0th row {1}, a 1-D algebra {1,1}, 2-D {1,2,1})
              Quaternions are the even sub-algebra of this 3D Clifford algebra, that is, the grade 0 and grade 2 parts = the scalar plus the three bivector planes of rotation. (Or a 2-D algebra with both basis vectors squaring to -1.)
              I was referring to this, which is about 100 times as abstruse as the above.
              Actually Clifford algebras, (a.k.a. Geometric Algebra) are quite useful in computer graphics and all sorts of physics. Check out this for an intro (and ref. 4 in that for an application to Maxwell’s equations). Get GAViewer free software and tutorials for more, Jaap Suter’s Primer, and papers on ArXiv by Leo Dorst or Chris Doran are also especially good.

          36. Well I don’t disagree with you, but I think you are short changing both of us with your examples. The differences between men and women, and our respective talents, extend a lot further than the various household chores. I’ll use the example of my husband and I who are both recreational distance runners. We both train physically of course, but when it comes to actual races, I plan every second of mine: when to eat, what to eat, when during the route to take water, the best outfit to wear. My husband just shows up at the start line and wings it. 8/10 times my obsessive planning pays off: I always out perform him in my category, and have on rare occasions out run him personally. However:
              A. I think he probably has more fun during a race, and really that’s the point of it.
              B. Even with all kinds of planning, sometimes things go wrong: pulls, tears, leg cramps.
              When this happens to me I am devastated. When it happens to my husband he shrugs it off and tries to power through.
              Two different strategies: both have advantages and disadvantages.
              What I mean by all of this is that women and men are equal, we are just suited to different things. In recreational running we can each take advantage of our talents. In life it’s a bit more complicated.

          37. George Thorogood said it best : “You Talk Too Much”
              

          38. I’m always thinking, but I don’t feel the need to share it with females. Too dumb to understand a 1/10 of my thoughts.

          39. Sweet, thanks. The whole reason I’m studying math right now is for computer graphics and physics simulations. That and I’ve always been interested. I dipped my feet into Clifford algebras a year ago, but found
              that I had trouble following the practical side of it. I suspect I’ve
              learned enough now that I can understand them better.
              I’m trying to do something weird with math, and it sucks when the only reference I know of is Wikipedia. So thanks.
              If you’re curious about what I’m trying to do:
              At this point I’m trying to work out how to make and use strange attractors (or rather, attractors of all types, including strange), under the predicate that modern neural networks are effectively a complicated non-strange attractor (near-strange, even). I know this train of thought passes through conics and complex numbers, which by nature involves trigonometric forms (possibly in contrast to conics). And the complex number side necessarily leads to Clifford algebra, especially since I want to deal with 3D representations (or higher).
              The goal is, of course, general AI (every programmer’s dream). Specifically, a practical use of general AI without sentience (true sentience isn’t even possible with current hardware anyway).

          40. Only by the idiots who got married and are paying for that mistake.

          41. Just tell her that you’ve hit your mental RESET switch, and you’re waiting for the rebooting sequence to end…

          42. I’m not too knowledgeable on strange attractors, but you should check out Sussman and Wisdom’s Structure and Interpretation of Classical Mechanics, (MIT press, full text available on-line at link or there’s a PDF out there, too.) It uses functional programming (like Sussman’s “Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs”) to do classical physics using Lagrangians etc. It’s much better debugged than the usual math.
              To get an intuitive feel for Geometric Algebra, in particular the advanced “Conformal Geometric Algebra”, try Leo Dorst’s free GAviewer software and the CGAtutorial. Dorst et. al.’s textbook Geomeric Algebra for Computer Science at the first link is also quite good. Co-author Daniel Fontijne wrote a ray-tracer based on CGA whose source code can be gotten from the first link’s side menu.
              A search on “Clifford Algebra neural network” gives lots of results, but none particularly easy. There’s also some interesting stuff on CA coding theory.
              There are lots of practical applications, especially in general physics simulation, EM, robot and machine-tool path planning. Chris Doran is just about the top guy in GA, and is back working at Cambridge after selling the Cambridge GA group’s company Geomerics (real-time radiosity lighting for most big computer games) to ARM.

          43. Not playing that game at all is something where others think something is wrong with a man. It doesn’t change because he stops short of marriage.

          44. Baby, I’m POSTing… Hang on…

          45. “The doghouse” thing really irks me too. My father in law says things like this to me all the time. “It’s always best to just apologize and admit you’re wrong and she’s always right.”
              Are you kidding me? Maybe if you acted like a man once in awhile maybe you wouldn’t have that problem.

          46. Oh, I haven’t tried searching “Clifford Algebra coding theory”. This might be one of those situations where I’ve just been choosing the wrong keywords.
              Those links are extremely helpful. That “Conformal Geometric Algebra” seems particularly useful for me.
              You’ve been super helpful. I think I now have a good set of information to search through for my research. So thanks again.

          47. Lmao I dated a Russian girl for a while and she would constantly ask that. It bugged the he’ll out of me. I’m not sure if it’s female nature or she learned it from her american friends but I hated it. Felt like being interrogated in the nicest way possible.

          48. Your father in law needs to be ignored. Choosing your battles doesnt mean choosing automatic defeat.

          49. You are a genius and I intend on stealing your line. Thank you.

          50. Only the smartest girls qualify for conversation on an average level.
              They will still revert back to gossipy losers among their own kind, so the novelty is worthless.

          51. Im part geek, so I just bored her with the truth and it broke her quickly.
              It evolved into “What do you think about ______?” instead, and thats better for me.

          52. Wow, just wow. That was eloquent, and music to my ears!

          53. And his sex life would probably be a lot better…

       3. Ha, so that never stops, then? I mean you are a married, committed man, already had your kids, in the ending stages of raising them. And shes STILL bugging you about your dreams for the future? At that point she hasn’t figured out where things are headed yet? Damn. I guess the upside is, with 24 years of practice, the nags probably don’t bug you as much and are easy to swat down.

          1. Indeed.
             “No, I mean where do you see us in five years”
             “Hopefully flying in a car”
             Heh. I can do that shit *all day long*. The need to constantly deal with insecurities after this long has long faded.

          2. I once had a ONS with a single mother, eventually went back for round 2 as she was a good shag. But the first night she came out with a, “What are you thinking?” line…. I was actually thinking about who was next on my list to meet and shag, so I answered, “Nice things.” Damn bitch wouldn’t let it drop, “what nice things?” For about an hour…… A week or two later, I ran after she offered to pay for a dinner date…. shame really, she was good in bed and had great legs….. though an average face.

          3. Women NEVER and I mean Never stop shit testing / nagging and or complaining about something. It’s part of their DNA.

    3. There might be a good reason for keeping women away from men before marriage. Right now, girls going through high school and college experiment a lot on guys with their games and manipulations. So by the time they’re married, they’re well equipped to run him around in circles and empty his wallet. Keeping men a mystery to women was the best thing going.

       1. If women were kept away from men, who would men use for their experiments?

11. OK, most guys have put themselves in this situation at one point in their lives. Best to acknowledge it and do your best to avoid it in the future.

12. Meh. You’re being too radical. Being friends with women is a great way to keep your game sharp if you do it with the right attitude, i.e. not seeking to bone them even though that might come as a side bonus sometimes. Gives you insight into the female psyche, you can practice your negs, your asshole game, your wolf in beta clothing game… Also, going out with them gives you instant pre-selection, they might introduce you to hotter friends… Also great way to give your GF some dread if you have honest friend relationships with attractive girls.
    Don’t be their bitch and you’re pretty much good to go.

    1. Thumbs up. Couldn’t have said it better myself.

    2. This comment is everything this article is saying NOT to be.
       You sir, are what’s wrong with the world.

       1. I think there is a difference between being a normal friend and a slave. Luis is making the case, that, if you can keep away the bs there are benefits. The post focus on the mangina mentality. Btw: ROK had a post regarding the benefits of a hot female friend i believe.

          1. I recall that article and i don’t agree with the premise. There is practically no such thing as being a friend to a girl you’re attracted to. Buy it. You’ll sleep better.

13. 4 years wasted in the zone as a late teen. Fuck you, passt me.

    1. Consider yourself lucky if you didn’t let it spill into your 20’s like I did.

    2. I think it happened to many a man over the years. The fun part is when you finally figure it out and see how the others act later on and know how to counter it. I’ve had many jolly moments in those situations.

       1. It was the puppy love from highschool. Young men are so vulnerable at that age.
          She played holy virgin with me but was riding the carousel on the side.

          1. That’s not surprising. At least you figured it out before it dragged on into your 20’s like I’ve seen it happen to friends over the years.

          2. Guilty. Not happening ever again though. I’m not thirsty like I was in college.

          3. And they called it, puppy LOVE!

          4. One woman I knew during my retail years tried it. Waited until after a concert we attended to give me the nice guy speech and that we should be friends. So I shrugged it off and dropped her off for the night before having a drink at home. Looked at who else was on my list for potential dates and set up one for the next evening.
             A week or two goes by and I’m with my backup, the one who attended the show with me is shocked when she sees my backup dropping off my lunch. “Who’s that?” she asks while I bring it in.
             “Oh, just a girl I started talking to,” I reply. “We’re going to the (local rock joint) for a show next weekend.”
             Heh, the look on her face was priceless.

          5. But, but, but….you broke the unspoken rules of the friendzone….you have a life outside of the first girl!

          6. Puppy love….get AV8ER out here….he will tell you about girls and their puppy love.

          7. I see what thou did.

          8. Damn. Beat me to it!

          9. Heh, some time after that she got to the point of out right calling the parade of girls I had skanks in the fashion only a Tex-Mex girl can, calling them “hotas.”

    3. Been there…it was awful.

    4. I remember when my 17-year-old self first heard the words, “you’re like a brother to me” from a sexy blond classmate with D tits. It felt like my balls were kicked into my stomach. I’m so happy I became much wiser, because I see guys in their thirties and forties still hearing that same line.

       1. The thing is even if you were gaming her it would end up almost the same or if she ends up with you it is probably because you were rich which still means she’s not into you she’s just using you

14. The first two pictures, fucking HILARIOUS!
    Guys think by just listening to her problems and being there for her she’ll want to be with him. Hell get friend zoned because, guess what, that’s what friends do! Hell, you can’t even blame her for that one.
    When I was young and was forced to go to church a pastor explained to me that there are three aspects of a relationship with the opposite gender. Friendship, Romance, and Lust (in Latin words, but I can’t remember them). I think for a serious relationship to start you need at least two of those and the third will come in time.
    I say relationship because I know that’s what any guy that gets friend zoned was looking for.

15. Being “friend zoned” by anyone is abusive on that person’s part.
    If some chick out there confessed feelings for me, and I didn’t reciprocate, then that’s the end of it. “I’m not going to string you along, We need to go our separate ways. Bye.”
    Stringing someone along with false hope is a horrible thing to do to anyone. You’re wasting the other person’s time that they’ll never get back. You’re preventing them from forming new relationships and possibly finding someone who will actually like them by keeping them in a false state of hope.

    1. “Stringing someone along with false hope is a horrible thing to do to anyone.”
       =====================
       Women don’t care. They only care if it’s being done to them.

    2. I do it to women all the time and get more puss as a result. Once you game long enough, it won’t bother you.

       1. Can you elaborate? Sounds like you’re not exactly friend zoning them, but withholding comittment, right?

          1. Get the bang out of the deal. If you want further bangs, lie about some type of future with her. You can ride that gravy train for a little while. Withhold commitment. You hurt her feelings? Too bad, not your problem.

          2. Right, got it.

          3. The couple of these I have done have been first night date bangs off of online dating. Meet, big date, go to her place, do it, spend the night. Repeat that every other weekend for @2 months, then she’s going to start asking about the future, or withholding sex. Last one she tried withholding sex, and I told her, nah, we’re going to keep doing it. We’ll do other things, too. Well, the sex stopped, but so did the whole thing. She’s on the way to our corporate HQ. I’m tempted to see if I can take her out one evening on the way back home from a business trip and one night her. I’m really not into pursuing new women for just sex, too much effort, but this might be a one phone call and dinner booty call.

          4. Yup. Works like a charm. I’ve been suckered into this shit so so easily. I don’t ever even want commitment my rule was show up, keep it up, do me, leave. Too much for this fucker. Withholds sex from me, I’m the man in this etc.

          5. Nice. Thanks for the comment!

    3. You underestimate their solipsism…they “don’t know” they are stringing the beta along. They don’t WANT to know he wants to bang them. That way they dodge responsibility.

16. I’m still friends with girls I’ve known for years. But, the boundaries are clear as day. We are just friends, period. No “benefits” other than the friendship itself. Plus, if you live in a big city, there’s no excuse to limit yourself to your inner circle, unless you want to make out with your lady friend and your buddy friends all at the same time.

17. I agree with this article, furthermore I have been in the reverse situation as I studied Psychology and during my studies over 98% of the students in my courses were females. During this time I had female friends, they were people I wasn’t attracted to, at all. Some of them were playing the friend card with me. When they finally realized that it wasn’t working, they just left. Sometimes literally from one day to the other, they just stopped any communication, which made me pissed, because they weren’t being honest. Therefore my message: if you are interested in a woman romantically (we all have unfortunately to go through that phase) or sexually, do something about that don’t be a doormat. The only reason why some men get into friend zone is fear of rejection, in other words they got “mommy issues”.

    1. That’s why alphas openly tell a woman, at the beginning, that she’s sexually attractive. It clears out the cobwebs and sets the frame. Watch Russell Brand do this. He’s masterful.
       Alternatively, you can play the guessing game “How long before we sleep together”. That’s worked well for me in the past.

18. If you don’t wanna fuck me baby, baby fuck off!

    1. like the old bumper sticker said “ass, gass or grass”

       1. Nobody rides for free.

19. Been a long time since I needed to be concerned with such things but, I never cared for hanging around females with whom I didn’t have an intimate relationship with. There were so many more fun things to do where they didn’t fit in well, such as fishing( worms! Eeww!) hunting ( blood! Eeww! How can you just kill them like that? Eeww!) beer drinking and hell raising( they would get drunk and act like morons or puke in my truck) driving fast( slow down we are going to get in trouble!) etc,etc,etc,
    Edited to add, don’t take advice about females from your female friends because they don’t have the slightest idea about what they or other women want.

    1. Irrelevant to the conversation but you reminded me of an old story when you mentioned hunting:
       My dad just got back from hunting with a deer in the back of his truck. I had family visiting and one of my cousins went to look at the deer (he was about 5-6 at the time). After staring at it for a minute, he walks over to my dad and asks, “Why’d you shoot Rudolph?!”

       1. Poor Rudolph lol

          1. It gets better. My dad said, “because he looked at me wrong.” At that point my cousin socked him in the nose.

          2. Reminds me of going fishing with my cousin and his slag one time, we didn’t get anything but I noticed some wild ducks, so for shits I tried to hit them with rocks. Amazingly I caught one full hit and jumped into the water to get it. I then proceeded to cut the head off, and it woke up and started screaming. My cousins slag started crying hysterically and would not stop until we got back to the car a fucking hour later. Goddamit. The duck was good, but I am not sure worth the hour of wailing.

20. This article is directed toward betas. Me, having female friends has always been beneficial.

    1. Serious question, what do you get out of it? I noted below that I keep a very short list of women who can and do benefit me in very specific ways, as “friends”, but otherwise, I really can’t get any good intellectual conversation or camaraderie with a woman.

       1. You can carefully use other women as social proof.

          1. That I know, but it doesn’t require me being an orbiter or “friend” so much as you’d think.

          2. True. Having a hot women around you, makes the other bitches think what is going on with you.

       2. Very good question, I’ll be glad to answer. At the workplace(I am a teacher) and the local social scene it is good just to be around people that you get along with, even if it is just to discuss local and world events with. Maybe you can work together on discussing working around an asshole boss or co-worker. Maybe her husband or bf is a great guy to drink beers with or watch the game with. Most important just someone with similar values to help each other out. While typing this, it just hit me that the females I am friends with are all republicans or happily with a man. Lastly, of course, I don’t hang one on one with them, or make plans for a Friday night. They are friends, nothing more or less.

21. Meh, I get laid and I also have platonic girlfriends. So do my other friends who do well with women. Here’s a more sensible take on the matter: https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2008/05/13/when-men-and-women-can-be-friends/
    That said, the pics for (1), (2), (4) and (5) are hilarious

22. I would only make the caveat that the workplace is good to keep superficial friendships with everyone. This is where you get the money.
    Other than that I have a principle , at work or any other group that requires more permanent living , I always put the woman before leftist men in any kind of conversation , friendship relationship necessary because of the constant mandatory coexistence , etc. I try to put the woman’s opinion always up view of leftist , incurable betas or alienated. Any woman , any one to me is more valid and deserves to be heard more than these men. Of course the more like me the woman is better, but in any case , any woman .

23. Most men are such slaves to women it’s almost impossible to find a guy that has the time and willpower to be a friend. If your buddies get married, their weddings might as well be funerals as far as you’re concerned.

    1. Don’t forget the minivan, also. How embarassing to see men so reduced to domestic servitude.

       1. the only step worse than minivan is hybrid car

          1. Ha ha ha so true. I usually see rather effeminate, weak, or odd men in those and the small Nissan Leaf cars also.

          2. I was just about to buy one. I don’t really give a shit what my vehicle looks like, I just want something getting 50+ MPG (I have to drive for my job). OK I do care what it looks like, because no way would I ever drive a minivan, but I think some of the hybrids look fine. If I could afford a Tesla, that’s what I’d get.

          3. 50 miles to a gallon is a good savings for sure. The problem is parking the thing. I would never be able to handle putting it in the garage what with the garage asking if it’s in yet all the time 🙂

          4. Yeah, and if you didn’t walk everywhere all the fucking time you wouldn’t need so many damn cobblers.

          5. The only reason I would buy a minivan is to convert it to a work van. Of course, in that case, I would end up buying a purpose built van, like a Ford Transit Connect, or a Nissan NV200.

          6. HA!

          7. I know an electrician who had a brilliant idea. He bought a used snap-on tool truck. You know, the kind that go shop to shop hocking tools. Anyway, he got one at an auction and set it up so that it was basically a fully stocked electric shanty so when he worked at buildings he didn’t need to leave his shit there (leading to theft literally 100% of the time), take up space or ever not have something.

          8. Fucking brilliant indeed.

          9. If I were to ever be single again, I’ll be doing something similar to that.

          10. In fact, I’m leaning towards that or a van rather than a truck. Too many thefts going on, especially with the oil bust. It’s just easier.

          11. If you can get a Mac or Snap-On tool truck they are the absolute perfect utility trucks.

          12. yeah, when I first say it I was stunned. IT was the last building I was doing. I called the guy and told him I would get him a good shanty because we’ve known each other for a while and he said he wouldn’t need it. I was like “uhm, what do you mean you don’t need a shanty” When he showed up I was blown away.

          13. A hybrid minivan. I shit you not. And you thought it couldn’t get more emasculating.
              http://www.hybridcars.com/chrysler-to-introduce-75-mpg-plug-in-minivan-in-2016/

          14. unreal

          15. Hybrids make an odd sound- they dont sound like cars, they sound like the monorail at disney world.

          16. Tesla, specifically the hot rod model, is the only electric car that even suggests that the driver has a working penis. I could drive one of those I think, at least around town.

          17. You know how some guys have to compensate for the size of their dicks by driving fancy red sports cars?
              It works both ways.
              To give you some idea, I drive a 12 year-old minivan
              Green.
              Uh-huh
              But even that’s not quite workin’ any more, I’m gonna have to go full electric minivan to get the level of poon repulsion field a man like me requires.

       2. We have 3 kids, but I got a Lincoln Aviator. Better looking than a minivan.

          1. But achieves the same purpose– unless you got the 9 seat version like the bottom of the line Expedition. Basically a mini-van for folks who can’t handle the truth- but with two more seats than the typical 7 seat mini-van.

       3. I think you can blame this guy for the minivan :
          

    2. This right here. Reason why I say marriage is bad, it’s the end of all manhood.

24. Outstanding article! I’m proud to say that once I applied this principles to my life, I got much more masculine and got rid of much of the bullshit and drama that was going on in my life. Reason #2 and #3 (“You have to understand that honor is a foreign concept to women”) are the greatest truths ever and I wish I learned them sooner…

    1. So true!

25. Great article. I’m on the older end of the Millennial spectrum and must give off a big brother vibe or something, because all these 22-25 year old guys at my work seem to come to me. They’re being run ragged by the women in their lives. They’re giving free rides, helping them move into Chad’s apartment, listening to fake suicide threats on the phone at 2 AM…. what’s ironic is that a guy who treated girls in this fashion would be labelled as unstable, toxic, a mooch, et cetera. I can’t exactly dish out red pills in a work setting and I know these guys would just do the opposite of what I suggest anyways.
    Regarding #3: I see a lot of guys trying to convince women to use the calendar app on their phone, texting them reminders, et cetera. The truth is they know exactly what they’re doing. They love quadruple-booking themselves and having beta schlubs and lesser females waiting around for them because it makes them feel popular. Technology has made the problem a lot worse.
    You can’t rationalize with them or make them feel guilty about wasting your time, either. If you get irked that they’ve flaked they’ll just turn it around on you: “I’m -so busy- and this asshole is making demands on my time?” The way to win this game is not to play. Unless you’re fucking her, she’s a blood relative, or you’ve known each other since childhood and are both happily taken, why bother?

    1. I was with you until “or you’ve known each other since childhood”
       Why would you know a broad since childhood and not be banging her?

    2. Last year I met a girl who would text every guy in her phone: “I’m going to be at Bar X at 9:00 come buy me a drink!” Then she would wait to see how many showed up. Usually five or six.

       1. Yeah, it’s embarrassing how long it took me to catch onto that game.

       2. Had this happen to me several years back with a hot bartender. She mentioned this really cool bar and said, “we should go there sometime.” So I got her number and a couple of days later texted her to setup a time to meet there. She replied with the day and time she was available and we set a date. At that point, I was thinking it’s on, but I was oh so wrong. When I got to the bar, she was not only there with her coworkers (mixture of male and female), but within five minutes of my arrival, another dude showed up to meet her. Once I saw that, I finished my drink, closed my tab and left without saying a word.

       3. You could do this too you know 😉

26. Excellent. It doesn’t get much more “red pill”, and frank and honest than this.
    We need to always be on the look out for young men who are prone to making the same mistakes listed above and advise them (along with shaming them) into waking up from their good-natured-but-naive attempts to treat a women “right” as a “friend.”
    It’s a recipe for disaster, and as any many who’s lived and learned and found his way here can attest, it’s going to inevitably lead to you being humiliated and manipulated for a woman’s selfish gain.
    “Friendship” is not a natural state of existence between men & women that can be kept stable.
    Anytime I hear a woman talk about a male “friend” I immediately know something’s up or will be at some point.

27. Have other guys here experienced girls acting especially nutty over the weekend? I am working on 3 lizards right now and they all had semi-breakdowns. Nothing I can’t fix but they all went ballistic on me over nothing at the same time.
    Just curious if this is a personal thing or if other guys have experienced major flakiness and instability over the weekend from females. I know the smallest changes in the atmosphere can have huge effects on their behaviors (full moon, for example, they always seem to be crazier, and hornier). Mercury is especially close to earth right now, possibly even visible with the naked eye and my theory is it has completely blown out their emotions.

    1. From personal experience, they do get totally hysterical, when they get together in a “girls night” thing. More slutty and defiant i believe.

       1. Yeah, one of them had a girls night party, and upon further investigation that was a definite cause of her acting up. The others, perhaps it was just coincidence. Just seemed odd to me to happen all at once.

    2. Not really, no. My wife is pretty calm, and I have some (not in the article sense) “friends” who all seemed chipper and pleasant.

       1. Well it turns out of the 3 one just started her period, one was just hanging around other women at a weekend trip which always stirs up jealousy and emotion, and the third was talking to an ex-FB of mine that I remained FRIENDS with, and after they bitched about me she went all negative, which fully endorses the idea in the article. I tend to believe rules are general suggestions, and can occasionally make exceptions, like maybe you can have ONE female friend as long as she isn’t in your “best friend” circle, but it may very well be true that one should have zero female friends.

    3. Leave the astrology crap to women. It is literally bullshit created to justify any current action or feelings they have. “Don’t blame me for being bitchy, Mars is in my sun sign!” Or whatever.

    4. End of school year brings hot 18 year olds out? It’s close to the beginning of summer almost and the pressure of bikini body season. Slash they are on their summer diets now?

       1. Why would anybody who maintains a healthy weight and shape be pressured by a bikini body? She should have it already. Winter is more and more being used as an excuse to justify over eating and being gross, like we were bears that had to eat to hibernate. It’s silly.

          1. might be a way to keep a lady in check- plan a get away to a decently scene-y beach destination every winter. Anywhere that younger attractive people would go. Say you will be showing the photos from the trip to friends, keeps that body tight.

28. Dig #5. Baylor? More like Gaylor!

29. Amen brother!! Number 3 is my own personal hell at work right now. The women I work with just cant stick to any kind of position they take. Example: at the beginning of shift, we outlined a position we were going to take on the treatment of a client; by the end of shift while I proceeded with the agreed upon plan, both my female co-workers completely flaked out and did the opposite, claiming all kinds of bullshit justification for their behavior. I am sick of it. Taking steps to never work with women again.

    1. I truly feel sorry for men who have to work with women on a daily basis.

       1. In 1991 I worked in a call center with 40 women and I was the one guy. Now, this was before feminism and PC culture really took root, and it was still hell.
          One of the hotter women (vast majority were unfuckable) who was a 34 yo. widow, seduced me Mrs. Robinson style. She then pimped me out to to some of her friends and her cousin and sisters friends. It was fun for a horny teenager with a big ego, but I sure learned a lot about the depravity of post-wall divorcees and single moms. And that was 25 years ago. It’s only gotten worse since then, and people still ask me when I’m gonna settle down with a “nice woman.”
          I always say, “point me in the direction of one.”

    2. The only feasible job to work with women is being a pimp.

30. Damn I was certain they all had the hots for me…But seriously, spot on advice in my humble opinion. I only keep female friendships at work out of necessity. I have even tried to avoid that, but the bitchiness I suddenly received in my work environment made it unendurable. So I become Mr Fake and blow a little insincere smoke up their asses which is only returning the favor anyway. But this also proves your point about being around bitches certainly makes you bitchy.
    I counterbalance this invasion of the feminine imperative with lots of friendships with fellow men who have put themselves out there in life, handled themselves through tough times with wisdom and fortitude, and have a masculine vibe, outlook and disposition. The guys in my work environment are not bad dudes, just stuck between a rock and a blue pill. I drop in the odd ugly truth and hint there is another way, but these dudes would choke to death if they ever swallowed the red pill. Some folks really are best left asleep…

31. I can go to land of make believe and I can pretend
    But in the end I still have no friends
    

32. https://howdoyousaytacoinspanish.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/1506543_744864928909184_6098487959224531247_n.jpg

33. Most of this is common sense but most importantly it highlight and reminds me of how unreliable women are. At work I have unreliable women working around me that don’t work efficiently and dont show up to work for frivolous reasons. They get pregnant and you have to hire people for maternity leave. The worst part is when women infiltrate a work place they only hire women and this lowers the productivity of the company. Never allow women to be in a position where she has any major say in hiring or anything in a business.
    As platonic friends they are beyond worthless. They dispense advice and knowledge they have no clue about. They give the absolute worst advice, never listen to them. They cannot hook you up with hot girls and when they do it’s a single mom. They are never on time and worst of all they are always asking for money or favors to waste your valuable time alive on this planet.

    1. The attempt at hooking you up is always the most humorous. It’s never about what the man would find attractive or desirable, rather it’s about her pawning off one of her fat “single mom” friends to a “cute guy”, as if she’d have any chance through any other method.
       “I have a friend who you might like, are you interested in meeting her?”
       “Depends, does she look like a tight young Jessica Alba?”
       “What?? No, she’s 34 and a mom, but I think you two would hit it off!”
       “So she’s not, technically, pretty?”
       “She’s sweet, you should give her a chance!”
       “Um…no. But thanks anyway!”

       1. I would love the see the cultural shift if men started doing this.

          1. Some have. It’s a wonder to behold.

          2. If it’s done en mass single mothers would disappear in a few years.

          3. That’s my hope.

          4. Now children,what do you say to a nice man when you first meet him?
             ARE YOU MY DADDY?!

       2. Reciprocate by introducing her to one of your fat buddies. See how they react.

          1. Fat can be glossed over with a guy if he’s got alpha traits. I think however short, balding and socially awkward would better fill the bill.
             I mean seriously, I’m 6′ fucking 3″, in great shape, damned fine looking (if I do say so myself) all that, got social cred and networking out the ying yang, and broads want to hook me up with some dumpy single mom? Dufuq? And given her status she probably has so much clap that it’s turned into applause.
             Thanks, but no thanks. Ever.

          2. That’s the sad part. Women will do anything to hook you up with a woman you just don’t like. But try to hook them up with one of your buddies, if he is not her type, let the tantrums begin.

          3. “Whoa whoa whoa whoa….he’s sweet and everything, but I like my men taller/handsomer/richer/more successful/with 6 pack abs!” Yet here she is, dumpy and plain, yet demanding.
             But if you even breath “Nah, she’s overweight and her titties are small, not my thing” prepare for Da Shame Game! ™

       3. This is the damn truth! Back in my younger beta days, I can recall the horrible girls that my female friends tried hooking me up.
          My “friend” (who I no longer talk to since I don’t keep female friends) said she knows the perfect girl for me, said we’d be perfect together since our cultures are similar….I’m Palestinian, and the girl is Pakistani. She was in our same social circle, so I knew her very well. This girl was a drunken slut that would get wasted often and have sex with any guy giving her attention.
          My good female friend thought a drunk dirty slut that has probably had well over 100 partners would be perfect for me. And thus why I don’t have female friends anymore.

          1. They’re not looking out for your best interest at all, she’s just doing a solid for Team Girl ™. You could be the 30 year old Brad Pitt and she’d pull the same stunt. And if you don’t like it, somehow, you’re supposed to feel ashamed.
             Um, yeah….no.

          2. I learned early on to never trust a girl that tries to hook you up with one of their friends.
             Truthfully, I would have laughed in her face if I had a friend who attempted something like that.

          3. I actually found it quite insulting. I told my friend “are you serious? She’s a slut. Why the hell would I date her?” My friend’s rebuttal was that was the past and I shouldn’t judge a girl on what she did or who she did it with.
             Yeah, no thanks

          4. The only things you CAN judge about anything are things that he or she has done in the past. I mean what the fuck is that even supposed to mean “that was the past and you shouldn’t judge”? It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever from a logical standpoint. What am I supposed to judge her on, what she may potentially do in the future?

          5. ….uhh, what did she think you should judge her on? Even my kids know to judge folks primarily by their actions, not their words. They learned from their mother– the contradictions between what she said and what she did.
             “Talk is cheap, whiskey costs money”
             Zelazny

          6. During the prison season the whole show went full SJW. FULLY! I mean, there were angry women in clean clothes shooting fully auto guns from the hip and heashotting military guys.

          7. I have laughed at some of my friend’s wives when they have suggested that I meet one of their friends. “Yall would really hit it off, yall like a lot of the same thinga and have the same kind of sense of humor.”
             I love the look of exasperation on their faces when I say: “Before you go any further, I have 4 questions: 1) How many kids does she have? 2) How long ago was her divorce? 3) How steep is her student loan debt? 4) How fat is she?
             They always more or less say the same thing, “That’s why you still single at (pick an age), you pass up perfectly nice girls.
             They only get more frustrated when I explain what a bad deal for me their wonderful friend is. Any explanation of their friend’s red flags triggers their solipsism hamster, and they take it as an attack on them and all women, instead of their disfunction al friend and her fucked up choices.
             I get a giggle every time it happens cuz I know my friend is in for a ball busting rant about how “immature” I am. Hahaha

          8. I love this-I use similar criteria and call them ‘demandments’; I ask for age, height, weight, divorces/children and other particulars-if I get any responses that are unsatisfactory I shoot it down abruptly with a ‘No, thank you. I have certain standards to maintain’.

          9. Heh, it used to annoy me but eventually it got to the point I started to laugh as well. I had similar questions and when they’d act like that is simply call out their hypocritical behavior. “So of a woman has standards she’s empowered, but if a guy does he’s an asshole? Heh, got it.”
             After a while they’d give up.

       4. Or if you’re established and have some resources at your disposal:
          “You could make some woman so happy.”
          … Falling under number 5 in the article, you are an object they can use to assist some other woman and possibly gain some leverage in her relationship with the other woman.

          1. It’s just plain mercenary isn’t it? Which I guess, is fine, after a fashion, so I figure, ensure that if you’re trading money for sex, that you’re getting a tight, young 20 year old Jessica Alba out of the trade. Who, with resources and the ability to bang hot chicks, would voluntarily pay for some dumpy, used up single mom?

       5. If a girl describes another girl as “pretty” you can be 100 percent ABSOLUTE SURE that she is UGLY AS SIN.
          As far as the “hooking you up” it’s not done with any expectation for success, quite the opposite…they are deliberately failing at matchmaker so they can feel better about their own lives / relationships while simultaneously get “good person” points for “trying” to help their lonely, pathetic, ugly friends

          1. That second paragraph is something I hadn’t considered before. Interesting.
             On your first paragraph, absolutely agree. Or “she’s cute” meaning “She looks like an actual transfigured boy”.

          2. LOL! Transfigured boy. You’re getting too PC. What happened to you?

          3. I’m being “ironic”. Heh.

34. This article was spot on, its a shame how much men today think that men and women can be friends the same way as men are with each other.
    A buddy of mine in his first year of university had to share a student house with three girls, he thought it was the perfect way to understand women and learn how to be a real man(just because he was told from a woman’s perspective). What ended up happening was he started dressing like a typical trendy, and ended up in a relationship with a chick who bossed him around. His female roommates only put up with him because he got invited to parties and gave them free rides, and of course they gave him nothing in return, besides his detached testicles.
    I learned for myself the hard way back in high school that the whole “building a friendship foundation” in order to get with a chick you like is total bs. I befriended this cute chick who in my book had all the unicorn traits (attractive, shy, and easy going). I was never the most excited or out going person, so being aloof and emotionless was pretty much my default, i had no problem getting her attention at first with this trait. Then when i started to fall for her, my betaness got the best of me and i started showing need by asking for hang outs and missing the point every time she flaked out, and i also became an emotional tampon. It wasnt until i found out she thought i was creep when i realised the truth.
    Bottom line is that being friends with a woman is one of the biggest wastes of time for a man. You get no friendship or romance in return, just betrayal and a broken heart. This is what happens to a man’s perspective when he watches one too many episodes of Friends.

    1. I was “friends” with a chick from 4th grade through graduating high school. A solid 9 if ever one existed, hell she was close to 10 in my eyes (at the time). Got pissed that she never wanted to go out, and then I joined the army (not because of her). Came back after basic training on leave, went to her house for a “party” with other friends, the other friends left, it was just her and me. I stood her up (literally), pulled her to me and kissed the living hell out of her. She reciprocated fiercely and we ended up fucking like we were possessed demons. The notion of “let’s just be friends” never, not once, has ever occurred to me again as being anything other than a ruse.

       1. Exactly, in nature its the men who hunt while the women nest. In a false version of nature portrayed in most movies and shows, they reverse the gender roles by having the guys drop hints and waiting around until the woman takes the hint and makes the first move.

          1. I was actually upset at myself for taking that long to figure it out. I was raised by and around natural alphas, it should have come to me sooner, but I guess we all have that final life lesson that takes a little longer than others. My entire thought process after we were done being sweaty for the third time that night was “Damnit, I could have been doing this for the last four years and I didn’t…why?”
             Lesson learned.
             I’m now Dan Direct about basically everything. A girl shows an IOI, that’s a cue to act. It’s how I snagged my wife, she would shoot down orbiters mercilessly. I didn’t even ping her on that plane (orbiter) because I was direct and aggressive.

          2. i had it pretty bad, i was raised by a passive father and a slight overbearing mother. I didnt find out about the truth until a year after high school ended when a friend of mine who was getting over severe oneitis discovered the neomasculine movement and sent me links to sites.
             And now, im still on the road to recovery.

35. Women as friends can be good for one thing……networking. Becoming friends in order to secure a relationship never has worked for any of my friends.

36. I honestly think a man should keep his interactions with women down to just his wife and his female close relatives (daughters, sisters, mother, aunts, grandmothers) and leave it at that. There really is no point in going beyond that; if the aim if fornication, that also has no ultimate point other than your own ruination and your life just doesn’t need any unpleasant complications from jealous boyfriends / husbands, your own jealous wife, and so on.

37. Don’t be ‘woman’s best friend’
    http://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/man-walked-like-dog.jpg

    1. accepting money to be on such a photograph is a shame by itself. what a sucker.

       1. Depends on how much we’re talking about

          1. of course. and how much honor is at stake. Life ain’t that simple !

38. It’s good to read that. Oddly enough, it’s quite relevant with my current life right now and sometimes, it’s healthy to get a philosophical beating to stay sharp and focused. And hungry.

39. For a long time I had a female wingman. It was a satisfactory arrangement for a time. I slept with most of her friends. And with her being a nurse, she always had new friends to bring along. This wasn’t the above situation though. She was constantly chasing after me, but was far beneath my standards. So, realistically, the tables can be turned….in a way.

40. I couldn’t agree with this more. In my pre-game years, I was friends with this hot blonde chick/workout buddy. There was some mutual attraction early on but this being my pre-game self, I never knew how to escalate it and therefore missed the boat on that one.
    The frustration that comes with being LJBF’ed and experiencing the flakiness and manipulation that women dish out even more frequently to their male “friends” taught me several things:
    1. Learn game
    2. NEVER be friends with a girl you’re attracted to
    3. The worst behavior a woman can treat a man with isn’t reserved for her beta boyfriend but to her male friends
    4. Escalate, escalate, escalate. Go for a number and date at the end of the first meeting with an attractive female prospect.
    If she doesn’t want to meet up for a date then you can be assured that the most you’ll ever be is an orbiter/”friend.”
    5. Don’t be friends with your exes, even if they still have the hots for you.

    1. Amen for #5. The only exception to this rule I can think of is, if it’s your ex wife and you have children, and only to maintain some sense of cordiality, all for the sanity of your kids. Otherwise, stay clear.

       1. You don’t have to be friends with your ex to be cordial. I treat my ex with the respect due a woman who birthed my children, but we are not friends. Not in the least.

          1. Thanks for rephrasing that.

       2. Yes that does make sense. My ex who still loves me but had irreconcilable issues recently texted me out of the blue and said she was glad that we were still friends. I told her we weren’t friends and that I wasn’t going to be her shoulder to cry on. She got upset and asked if that meant she was nothing to me. I said pretty much.
          That made her upset but now she wants to come fly down here and fuck me.
          Bottom line is attractive women really do mean nothing to you if you can’t hook up with them, or their friends.
          I am doubtful about how many men actually get hookups through their female friends. Yes, if you have game it can certainly happen, but I’ve seen so many of my friends in college and high school try this and fail every time.

    2. escalading (touching) and sexualizing the speech is the best way to avoid ambiguity early in the interaction with a female. It is a must-do which leads you to her bed or to eject you from her relationship-trap (the infamous friendzone).

       1. You hit the nail on the head. It amazes me how early I can bring a bit of sexualized speech into a convo with a girl I just met and get away with it and leave her laughing. Just goes to show you how much sex is on girls’ minds. They just eat it up when an attractive man starts talking about it in a fun and non-needy/creepy way. Sometimes I’ll mention my fictional cousin who started a lingerie business and that can get the ball rolling.

          1. Care to give a few examples? I struggle at it.

          2. I would make a joke of some stupid pop culture sexual focus like Kim Kardashian’s or Nicki Minaj’s butt or “Caitlin” Jenner and segue there to make a light remark about sex. Don’t overdo it or linger on the subject too long. Switch to another topic and then do again. If you’re meeting a girl in the daytime you run the risk of scaring her away if you get too sexual too fast.

41. When people ask me why I never want a female friendship, i answer the same thing :
    “Women ? I make love to them or I ignore them. No friendzone bullshit with a man like me, thanks.”

42. I’ll never forget a friend of mine pounding some chick while she was on the phone with her male “friend.” She got off on it no doubt.

    1. Obviously the guys moans turned you on Majormoron.

44. Considering their unreliability as friends, that’s putting it mildly. Would you ever ask a woman for a ride anywhere? Help you out with moving? Or with a project that requires tools and labor? What tools could she possibly have that you’d want to borrow? It would never occur to a woman to buy tools, auto parts, a trailer, or even to do basic preventative maintenance on her own car! Would you dare ask her for money? You’d be asking for a huge heaping helping of shame and guilt if you do that.
    Most women don’t know jack about anything technical. And even if they do it’s often rather superficial, due in no small part to the fact they don’t have enough practical experience because they’re usually not the one’s doing the real, honest work.

    1. I am acquainted with an *extremely* hot young lady. She told me point blank that her father tried to teach her how to changes the tires on her car, but she refused. Her words were “Daddy, do you think I’ll ever have to change my tires by myself, ever?”
       She apparently isn’t aware of the concepts of “alone on a deserted road at midnight” and “I’m going to age some day”. I could only roll my eyes.

       1. A necessity that takes five minutes to learn…and she thinks she’s above it. Tsk, tsk.

          1. Yep, her theory is “I”m pretty, men will do it for me”. Such a lack of foresight can be lethal.

       2. A bit off topic– but have you seen how many cars are being sold now without spares? Weight savings. Just leak fix and an air pump, I had to order the spare and jack as an add-on to a 2015 Elantra…5 yr road side assistance, but I’d rather change it and be on my way then wait for them.

          1. That’s just plumb stupid, no, haven’t seen that. I buy cars and they run until they’re towed out of my driveway, so my car is a 2006 and my wife’s car is 2012 (which came with a spare).

       3. Did her dad let her get away with that spoiled bitch attitude?

          1. Apparently so, she seemed proud of her “stand”. I informed her, semi-kindly, that she was being an idiot. It didn’t penetrate her flaxen locks, let alone her skull, of course.

          2. If its her skull you’re looking to penetrate, in my experience, the eye sockets are usually the best point of entry.

          3. Her lips are far too pretty to waste by not using them properly.

       4. I wish my father had been willing to teach me these things. He didn’t believe a girl should ever do those tasks. My mother drove for decades and didn’t know how to put gas in her car. I wish I was joking about this. She was an intelligent woman as well, which makes this worse. She was in a real bind when full serve went the way of the dodo bird. Well, despite my trying to drill into her head basically the point you made above, one time she actually did find herself on almost empty with no one around. She called me to rescue to her and I told her to piss off and ask the attendant. Big mistake. Too embarrassed to follow my advice, she managed to fill the tank herself. With diesel. Don’t ask me how, as the nozzle must have been a real tight fit. The gas station attendant called me when he noticed/inquired what she was doing. $20 worth of gas turned into a tow and engine flush etc….My dad never questioned why a gal should know a bit about her car again 😉

          1. I can’t say there’s any excuse for not being able to operate a gas pump.
             It is easy to learn how to change a tire. It can prove difficult to successfully change a tire because lug nuts can be tough to remove. There’s often a lack of enough leverage so to speak.
             Learning such a thing may prove pointless.

          2. Very true that it can be physically tough. A lot of leverage problems can be solved with a pipe though. I have one in my car for that reason. Never had to use it on a lug nut but it’s proven handy at other times.

          3. It’s entirely possible that she may have done that on purpose. I don’t know if she didn’t know the difference between diesel and regular gasoline, but I’ve seen and heard of women doing about as worse, knowing that in the end it’ll cost you.
             I made the mistake once, when I was on a long training deployment in the Army, of letting my then-girlfriend borrow my Jeep Wrangler, and I gave her cash so that she’d go down to a local oil-change place to get it serviced, telling her to do so right away (because, at the time, I didn’t have time to do it myself, being busy getting things ready for my deployment). Well, three months later, I get back and find out that the Jeep’s engine had seized. She did not bother going to get it serviced, in spite of my repeated instructions to do so.
             “Didn’t you see the oil light on?” I asked her. She said yes. Not expecting the truth, that begged the next question: “Well, why didn’t you take it to Jiffy Lube?” She said, with a straight face, “I was waiting for the light to get brighter.”
             Yeah, that ended our relationship.

          4. She didn’t do it on purpose. My mother was a very frugal woman. Also, she wasn’t spiteful like that, just scared. That’s a funny, albeit expensive story. Yeesh! I’d accuse you of lying but I once had a friend call me to ask how much air to put in her tires, as she was missing the owner’s manual in her used car. I told her it is usually marked on the tire, if she couldn’t find it there I guestimated it would be around the same PSI as my car, as they were very similar in size etc… She called back 20 minutes later to say she had left the gas station and blown a tire almost immediately. Further conversation revealed she had read tire name: blah blah XP6000 (or whatever) and determined that meant it needed to be inflated to 6000 psi. That the number was almost double the estimation I’d given her, or the fact that it must have felt like she was driving on rocks, didn’t seem to tip her off that something was wrong. She’s lucky she didn’t get on the highway, she might have blown all 4 at a high rate of speed.

45. I sincerely hope the guy in #4 is being ironic; if not, he might as well have his nuts removed right then and there.

46. I will agree it is so difficult to find good women to befriend. I find many of them are dishonest in order to “be nice” and avoid hurting feelings. I think many will agree that if a lady was honest from the beginning, it would save a lot of trouble for everyone involved in most cases.
    Still others enjoy causing drama and trouble. I fail to understand this strange nature.

    1. The drama puts her in the position of the narrator or the one who dictates the room. The drama queen is like a storyteller in search of anyone who will take her for her word, anyone who pedestalizes princesses and anyone who is naive to the true manipulative lying nature of women. There’s no truth with a woman. There’s only lies and bigger better lies. Women thrive on creating a storm of lies and smart women can spin things to get real fireworks going. The problem is people who give women credence and who fail to control them properly. Women were put on this earth TO BREED period. Every good man must learn the tools and the ropes of ‘woman control’.

       1. hahahaha thats it 100%

       2. Hmm, I see. I understand the drama queen a bit more now.
          But I will have to disagree about the part about women being simply broodmares. Seems a bit harsh and extreme, in my opinion.
          I think any good man should instead learn to identify red flags indicating a woman is bad company, and immediately cease giving her attention (the ultimate punishment).
          There are some good women who are not sociopathic lying narcissists.
          I assume you have had many consecutive bad experiences.

          1. Yes women are for breeding. Woman came from the rib of man. The lower male rib is the only part of human anatomy that will rejuvinate. It will grow back like a chamellion’s tail if severed. The lowerer rib contains stem cells. It has been in scripture and legend repeatedly that the ‘genesis’ of woman derives from the rib of man.
             So if woman was in fact cloned from man’s rib, then other considerations come into light such as the question whether a clone could have a soul. Women aren’t carbon copies of men but the dichotomy of the sexes appears to be a split where the DNA line is propogated competitively versus autonomously.
             If women have souls, they are incomplete souls. An obedient woman gives herself mind and body unto her man and she thus becomes a reflection of his soul. A properly controlled woman radiates and reflects with the luminism of her master. Take a discerning eye to the woman who gives her life and being to serving her master versus the gold digger or bitch who tries to control or tether a man. With obedience to the patriarch, there is continuous feedback between the two bodies and whereas the pussy whipped man becomes invisible, conversely when the woman exhalts her patriarch master, he shines like a star and she is subsequently lifted as well, illuminated above the common fray of wayward desperado and feminized women.
             Women aren’t for talking to, they’re for pumping and propogating. From the rib to the almighty rod alas the split/reproductive loop solved in one sentence voila. Women can try and compete with men in roundtable discussions, but they remain puppets of their mentors, aping the mannerisms of men. But in domestic settings, the woman will steer a discussion of importance downward, quickly devolving it into illogical right brain gridlock. If a woman talks, it is a sign that her loins need barreled upon. If she aches, she needs dick doctoring. If she is perplexed with thoughts meandering, she needs straight edged with the erect rule of man.
             Hail the patriarchy!!

          2. I will not argue with you. Your arguments have a basis in religion, not logic nor fact. I will simply say, I do not agree with anything you have said, and I see that there is no way we can see eye to eye. Let’s agree to disagree, sir. Good day.

47. Been there, done that. I made the mistake of getting myself friendzoned with a girl I was interested in. Of course back then I had no idea of the concept.. I wish I’d known then what I know now. Then the minute she told me “you’re one of my really really close friends!!!”, I’d have known it was lights out, and not wasted a second more of my time.
    Oh well, live and learn. The author is correct on this one.. if there is no chemistry between you and a girl from the get-go, there never will, no matter how many of her nails you polish.
    But anyhow, make no mistake.. even a female acquaintance will lose no sleep using your body.. i.e. helping her move, shift a fridge, fix her computer, fix her car, or mow her lawn. So there is no shame in admitting to yourself your real motivation for being “friends” is to mow her lawn (nudge wink 😉
    One final thing.. the only true female friend is your mother. (Assuming she’s not an abusive, feminist alcoholic bitch).

    1. with the mother there is no friendship either. you also have to endure her stupidity.

       1. Your mother is probably the only woman on this Earth who would give her life for you. (Again, assuming she’s not an abusive feminist toad).

          1. true

          2. true

48. I was trying to pick up an awesome girl that I know recently; she’s not local, so it was mostly texting and such. She wants to pursue one of these two guys, and genuinely did not understand why we couldn’t just be really good friends. I haven’t bothered talking to her since; I’d always initiate the conversations, but she always took a few min to reply, meaning I was one of a few.
    I have no problems being “friends” with her, or with any other woman that is of some use, but I’m not wasting time on her. I’ll talk to her when I want her advice or help, and she can do the same with me. Most women are of no use. I’ve reached the point that I’m done with casual sex; I don’t want a disease, a pregnant girl on my hands, or the inevitable drama that ends sex based relationships.
    My friends are of mutual use; them to me and I to them. Women typically have no real world skills, so, if you’re not fucking them, they’re of no benefit to you and any time you invest in them is a waste. The only woman I help without reservation is my mother; my sister doesn’t even make the cut.

    1. You got it. If you don’t intend to or have a good chance at boning a girl, stop talking to her. Unless there is some specific gain from it.
       They are literally like energy vampires in some ways, they always end up asking for favors and shit. Or just using you as an emotional tampon.
       I’m at the point where I’m trying to limit the amount of time I waste talking to women in general. If I’m not looking to bone her in the future, I’m just staying to practical shit. I talk to young pretty girls for obvious reasons but that’s about it.

49. Now fellas, we all know that attraction determines selection anytime, anywhere. You must be tall “enough”, financially sound “enough”, social status-inclined “enough”, and whatever The Hell else enough to meet women’s bullshit criteria. After all, they have zero standards, all they have is a series of checkmarked criteria you have to meet before the treat you as anything BUT a utility or livestock.

    1. I’m trying to figure out what I’m missing. 6’4″, decent physique (needs a little tuning), more money than Croesus, interesting hobbies, some skills. I think I need more social status and proof.
       It’s like I observed to a friend (male), you have to be perfect just to get someone good.

       1. It ain’t worth the stress/time/money/energy/effort. Work on yourself; you’re a man, you’ll look good forever. Women are in unlimited supply and simply spreading their legs for any doofus that meets their willy-nilly criteria checkboxes is hardly a skill! Go forth and conquer!

       2. It’s all in the mind :-). You have to be so sure of your worth that you are 100% you are the most badass high value motherfucker in the room and you have balls like a bull.
          Women can smell that shit. I am not some Adonis, just ok looking and I have girls spontaneously trying to pick me up, sometimes when my wife is next to me! Shameless… My wife is more annoyed than angry, but it’s funny ass shit. And I’m talking middle of the street or on a bus or whatever. Not ugly girls either, 9s etc.
          I don’t work out much, I’m just 6′. It’s not looks.

          1. And how exactly do you convince yourself that you’re the most badass alpha when you actually are a beta wimp and broke? Care to elaborate?

       3. Social status and proof are pretty major things. I’d have to hear you talk and see how you acted in groups of people to say anything more of value to you, we’re basically matched up statistically (I’m in quite good shape though) and women seem to fall out of the sky for me.

50. Ridiculous article. Don’t get yourself friendzoned, but having female companionship is rewarding for both parties.

    1. Companions and acquaintances, but not friends. Gotta keep the theoretical harem strong.

    2. It is – in bed. Other than that I’m not so sure, except for eye candy and flirting with.
       You can’t compare a buddy to a girl, I have maybe once met a girl I thought was just cool to hang with and she was a dyke. Go figure. We’d talk about picking up girls and shit.

51. Great article, and solid advice for all men out there. The guys I know with several female friends are gigantic pussies who, when the women aren’t around, constantly bitch and moan about how they can’t get a girlfriend, girls don’t respond after the first date, girls don’t like their online profiles, etc (I wonder why?????).
    Have you ever noticed that when you share something intimate, or a painful memory with a woman that she develops a blank stare and, in most instances, uses the opportunity to talk about herself? They don’t feel empathy. And if you ever do share a secret with them, they will use it as leverage down the road.
    Another thing. When women see my male friendships, hear about the shit we’ve gone through together, and hear about some of the crappy things one of my friends has done in the past, they always wonder how I’m still friends with any of those guys. Women can’t comprehend true friendship. They drop female and male friends at a moment’s notice. And they shit-talk relentlessly. The guys I mentioned earlier–you know, the ones with all the female friends–they talk shit and backstab just like women, so make sure to vet any guys before allowing them into your inner circle.

    1. This is what it’s about, hanging out with women you are not boning and gaming makes you more like a fucking woman.
       Some guys here talk about getting pussy by having female friends etc, but that shit doesn’t matter when it turns you into a giant pussy over time.
       No fucking wonder gay guys and women get along so well.
       The other thing is, in my experience all women start pulling weird shit on your ass sooner or later, and that shit is always a hassle.
       I chat with women all the time (duh) but I don’t consider them friends in the same way I consider guys my friends. They have their uses and some of them I end up boning sooner or later so there’s that. But never forget what they are.

       1. Agreed. I have some female acquaintances, but none who are close friends. They don’t bring enough to the table to warrant my friendship. And, like you, I end up boning a lot of them at some time, and you can’t be buddies with someone you’ve been inside.

       2. yup!

    2. Not a lot of male friends will emphasize with you either.

52. most men are a$$holes , so why would you look for a female friend! I have had my share of “friends” and nothing came of it!

53. I’ve never had a relationship (Platonic or sexual) with a non-related female that lasted more than 2-3 years. I haven’t had a true female friend since early childhood, but any time I get friendly to one it’s just a matter of time before something happens and they either fade or get pissed off at me. And it’s also awkward if you ever see them again, for me it’s like I was living someone else’s life when I knew them – I know I interacted with them and talked with them, but there’s no connection there. Meanwhile, if I run into a male friend I haven’t seen in 10 years we can pick up like no time has passed.
    Long story short, I have girls I’m friendly with if I see them. But if I’m not physically around them then I never initiate first contact with them or go out of my way to interact with them. Any time I’ve tried to have a female friend post-puberty it just backfired. Either it was because I dug her and wanted to get with her, or I tried to have a female perspective in my life and realized my guy friends were just all-around better people.
    Now the only women I get close to are those I’m fucking or dating. As soon as we stop fucking or dating then I have nothing to say to them and cut them out of my life unless they want to fuck or date again.

54. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UN-TdJ6NgHk 100% of men here have been in this situation watch and learn and never make this mistake ever ever again! the horror is real

55. Truth!! funny how the old movies speak the truth that people now days try to deny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEV_pQIf3Og

56. Truth!! funny how the old movies speak the truth that people now days try to deny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8kpYm-6nuE

57. Delete.

    1. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8kpYm-6nuE enough said try and argue this here deny it all you want but the underlining truth has been know for centuries, doesn’t matter what you motives are!

58. One of the best advices, even during my blue pill days, came from my uncles when they said, “Never become friends with a girl you like.” Now in my red pill days, I understand why.
    Men and women will always be different, physically and psychologically. The only things men and women can relate to are sex and reproduction. Other than that, men will always be ruled by logic and women will always be ruled by emotions. Therefore, why would any man believe that being friends with a woman you’re attracted to will “logically” make her attracted to you?
    Want a girl to be attracted or in love with you? Be selfish and mess with her emotions. Sounds selfish and mean, but that’s what alphas and bad boys do all the time. And yet, they have no shortage of women coming after them, no matter the demographics.

    1. the majority of men are just as pathetic. in the mainstream society there is not much difference between men and women, they are both unstable, mentally/emotionally.

       1. I don’t buy it. Men are still have more or less the same expectations while women have fewer and fewer and have grown more entitled and more shallow in America. I’d say from what I’ve seen women are definitely worse.
          Not saying there aren’t issues with many men today, but not nearly as badly as the major flaws I’ve seen in women, and not nearly on the same scale.

          1. in my obeservation men and women cancel eatch other out in pathetic-ness

59. only six reasons?

60. I have to disagree here. A female friend can be useful. Of course she is not your real friend like your male friends but she can be useful for you.
    It works best if you friendzone her from the beginning.
    Female friends are useful if you are into the club scene. You always get into clubs lots of easier. If you hangout with her and if she looks good you have instant social proof for other girls.
    Even if she is not into you in the beginning, you can easily make her attracted to you. The benefit here is that if you are in a relationship with another girl , you can use your female friend to make her jealous and show abundance.
    Of course you should never trust your real problems and thoughts with a girl, but there are many benefits.

61. 1. Nice red pill video. These girls knowingly string these guys along, they know the men’s intention yet they still pretend it’s a friendship. That’s why these friendships are a waste of time. A man needs to be pursue girls who are interested in them.

    2. Every one of those chicks in the video darts their eyes, looks away or subtly smirks when initially asked the question. So they know the real answer, but it’s not in their nature to admit it.

62. Proud to report on my end that I subconsciously had these thoughts from when I was about 13 years old without any teaching from other more learned and experienced elders ; I have gone effectively my whole life without ever having a female friend as I have neither the time, patience or sadomasochism to put up with their capriciousness, histrionics and vapidness. My worldview is very simple-if I am engaging with females that are not relatives it is purely for gratification or I view them worthy enough of my time leading to something more substantial otherwise I function very well without them and rather enjoy it.

63. Pure nonsense. I have many women friends and many times they have proven themselves to be better friends and more reliable than my male friends. Let me go through these points one by one
    1.) You don’t have your motives straightened out – yes i do. All of my female friends fall in one of three categories A. girls i have banged but have lost interest in them sexually for one reason or another B. Girls I have no interest in banging whatsoever C. Girls I bang once in a while but could care less if they come or go. In none of these cases do I have any unspoken intentions or motives that I am hiding. If I want to bang them, I tell them. If I don’t, I don’t. The only time this set up gets kin of tricky is managing expectations with type B. Be careful with those types.
    2,) You’re practicing being friend zoned – Nope. If i want to fuck them, I already have. If I want to fuck them again I let them know quite bluntly. Grab her ass pull her toward you and fucking kiss her. If she says no, she says no. If you don’t fuck her that night, you’ll fuck her some other one. And if you don’t, who fucking cares. She won’t be mad that you made a move. If anything she’ll be flattered. You should be fucking other girls and she should knows it. Don’t try to hide it. The moment you do she’ll sniff you as a beta simp waiting for a piece of pussy to get thrown a piece of pussy from a mile away. Don’t supplicate ever and don’t ever treat them differently as you would a guy friend. As a matter of fact thats a good way to think of them. Guy friends with vaginas you can blow a load in if you ever get horny. Be blunt almost to the point of being cruel. Be even harsher then you would with your guy friends.
    3.) They’re unreliable – nope. In my experience if the girl actually considers you friend, she will be more loyal and reliable than a male friend. Let’s face it – most dudes these days are bitches. They are jealous, and constantly competing with you in their minds. If they’re single, they’re jealous if you pull better ass than them, if they’re married you can’t even fucking converse with them anymore. If they’re married you can’t even talk to them about your sex life anymore.
    Women are even worse to each other. Thats why if you hold your frame as a dominant male who wants nothing form her, the girl will trust you more than any of her girl friends and hold you in higher regard. You need a favor and its something within her means? She’ll fucking do it.
    4.) You’re being a friend slut – women are sluts. Men are studs. But if the girl thinks you’re a slut all the better. She won’t get jealous when you bang her friends.
    5.)You’re being used – any friendship in based in mutual benefit. Grow the fuck up and get used to it. That doesn’t mean you have to listen to her bitching and moaning. If she’s being annoying, tell her to shut the fuck up. She’ll appreciate it. Women are weak. They need a strong male hand to keep them in check. Most of their boyfriends and husbands are too pussy to do it. And if you ever find them complaining about their significant other, that usually means they’re open to getting boned by you. If you want to fuck them, listen to it for a little and make a move. If you don’t, see above, and tell them to shut the fuck up.
    6.) You’re feminizing yourself – No you’re not. As a matter of fact I always make it point to pay up y masculinity when I’m around them. Make fun of them for their contradictions and hamster-wheel frame of thought.
    Now there are many benefits to being friends with women.
    1.) They’ll introduce you to their friends – I can just imagine some beta simps arguing that they will get jealous and this will cause drama. Guess what, women are terrible to each other and won’t want to their friends to know. If you get asked directly, just tell the truth. After all, you’re just friends.
    2.) It will help you make guy friend – pimp those hoes out. introduce them yo your guy friends. Even if they don’t get ot fuck them, they’ll still think you’re pretty cool for doing it.
    3.) Backup pussy – sometimes you just need to fuck someone. If you have established yourself as a dominant unneedy male, shell have no problem fucking
    4.) You learn how women think and the lies and bullshit excuses they use. You can you this to your advantage in your own relationships and can sniff out when your bitch is being deceitful from a mile away.
    Last and not least WOMEN MAKE GOOD FRIENDS THEY MAKE TERRIBLE ROMANTIC PARTNER.
    Having been friend with so many women over the years this is my main takeaway.

    1. a real friend is someone you respect as equal or at least are complementary, people who make each other stronger than one alone is.
       how does this work with girls as “friends”? maybe the word friend has a different definition to everybody.
       im not an expert on this.
       i need to think of some situations where a mission (no matter how minor) gets completed more efficiently while you carry a girl along (setting her illogical mind straight all the time).

       1. That’s exactly what I am saying. These relationships are complimentary and can bring many benefits, whether it be social proof when you are go out at night, access to her social circle, or just learning from observation, they can bring many benefits.
          Not so sure about “equality” as a pre-condition of friendship. What exactly are we talking about anyway equality in looks, social status, wealth, intelligence, wit, charm? There are just so many variables that if “equality” was a prequisite for friendship, you just woukdnt have any friends. Just to make a point, I consider my dog to be my best friend, but I don’t consider him my equal. Hell, were playing two different games. How could I compare?
          Times when having a girl around makes things more efficient?
          When picking up other women (your girl friends will wing for you)
          Going out (you can walk into anywhere if you have the right girls with you)
          Having a party at your house ( you can get them to clean up, help you set up)
          All I can think of for now.

          1. “I consider my dog to be my best friend, but I don’t consider him my equal”
             that’s the insight i hoped for. That statement is the key, i will keep it for Life. thanks! also this one: “were playing two different games. How could I compare?”

    2. Girls that you’re fucking aren’t your friends. They’re just girls that you’re fucking.

       1. Not saying fucking a girl makes her you her friend, but having fucked or fucking a girl you are friends with certainly doesn’t disqualify her.
          In fact, If the girl is the least bit attractive, you would HAVE TO FUCK her before you could be friends with her. If not it’ll just always be on your mind.

       2. Girls you are fucking are just girls you aren’t done fucking yet.

          1. Amen.

64. I you’re thirsty, don’t go to the desert.

    1. Nice. But if I may be permitted…..Men have always known not to go to the desert when they are thirsty. Women have started to represent themselves as the ocean to lure thirsty men in…it is only now that men are starting to realize that the ocean may seem like a good idea for a thirsty man, but drinking it will kill you.

       1. Women are more like an alkali pool. Looks great, but it’ll kill ya.
          On second thought, your analogy is better.

65. To anyone who still thinks that befriending a woman is a good way to get her to be your girlfriend some time in the future:
    Remember – she’s FRIENDS WITH MEN. If she’s friendly with you, then she’s friendly with other men too. It’s lose-lose in this situation – if friendly really does mean just friends, then you’ll never get into her knickers. On the other hand, if you do manage to get anywhere with her – guess what? She’s ‘friendly’ with all those other guys too.
    She clearly doesn’t understand that being friends with men dishonours her, so if you want to wife her up (or try to) then good luck to you – she might not be all yours, but she’ll be safe from me at any rate.

    1. Exactly. You should always remember she has other men in her pocket – none who she deems a “friend” have much status to her. That’s reserved for men she’s attracted to.

66. I’ve seen to many young men jump through hoops (cash, services, etc…) to win over a woman (before the sex). This should be an iron rule in any man’s playbook: you should not be doing anything for her or getting anything for her unless you are banging her -like she owes you money – on a regular basis.
    I don’t mind spending a little money…that’s not the problem.
    The problem pops up when I see young men jumping through their ass to go get a girl a slice of pizza (actually watched this happen) for a girl he was not banging. I told him that shit is supposed to work the other way around….you eat after sex…not before it.
    I told him to walk up to her, ask her what she is doing later on and to see if she wanted to be banged like a drum later on that evening. You’d be surprised at how a straight forward approaches work with women. He told me he could never do it because he wasn’t raised that way…his mother raised him (alone). I said “that’s your problem…now I’m giving you advice as a man, fuck what your mother told you..or else you’re going to be friends for life with women”.
    I left,..not sure what he decided to do…but I’m giving out free advice here.

    1. Driver, I appreciate what you’re saying with this single caveat:
       You SHOULD mind spending a little money. If not, send some my way. Want my paypal account? 🙂
       Acting like “it’s no big deal” to buy a woman a drink or dinner is a slippery slope to becoming an ATM machine and getting used. Slippery slopes can be checked, but they are never really broken. They are lifetime burdens.
       The bottom line is that most men have to pay for sex. I know there are exceptions (a few very handsome men I know literally have sex thrown at them. It’s a wonderful life for them) but the rest of us, gotta earn it. The way I look at it is that even if (most) of us men have to pay for sex, one way or the other, we do at least get to enjoy it. Women who ride the cock carousel usually resent the experience even if she pretends otherwise especially if they get toys and presents for it.
       Here’s a neat analogy: I went on a timeshare presentation with my wife. The Wyndham rep put me through hell. Every trick in the book, he played and even mocked me at the end. I was left a wreck and pissed off the rest of the day. I did this to get free tickets to Medieval Times worth about 80 bucks. I couldn’t fully enjoy myself because of the *** I had just gone through. It wasn’t worth it.
       By the same token, women HATE men who buy or BS them to get sex. They feel manipulated and they’re right. This is a game that they insist the men play but that also means that when a man wins, she has technically “lost” even if she wanted sex. She gets what she wanted, but she feels “used” because she feels lied to.
       Anyways, however I paid for sex, I enjoyed the sex. I don’t think I’ve ever had a sexual experience I regret because the woman was a **** or made me pay through the nose for it. Compare and contrast to women who buy expensive handbags or shoes to impress other women and get little if any satisfaction from the purchase.
       But let’s not deny it: Paying for sex sucks. Not just in what you pay up front, but also the way it messes up relatoinships from the beginning and can take years to untrain women from treating you like an ATM machine.

       1. I see what your saying but there is this saying in life: nothing is free…that includes women.
          I don’t mind spending my money while spending time with a woman. The problem that men get into is spending their time and money on a woman (ROI) on a woman with no return. I don’t always buy the drinks, I’ll let women buy me a drink as well…again, a price you pay for a good time. But I advise young men not to invest too much time or money on someone you’re not banging like a drum.
          Men give everything away too easily. They need to make sure they’re not being taken advantage of by a woman.

          1. Regarding the friendzone paradigm: I think friendships with women can be invaluable and have several woman friends. They are married or older than me, etc. and they are dear, close friends who have been there for me and helped out. It wasn’t “free” because we did things for each other but in the end, we’re both better off for having been there for each other.
             I’d say the same paradigm works for regular relationships with women. If there’s “nothing free” than that “free” drink you “don’t mind paying for” comes with strings attached. If you don’t “mind” it, as in literally “mind” if you look up the term, what is happening, you’ll lose track and then that’s where they get you by nibbling away like a piranha. Heck, they’re masters of this and dozens of teen magazines give them tips on how to string a man along.
             I never pretended like it didn’t matter to me when paying for ANYTYING for a woman, even now. I expect a thank you from my wife and acknowledgment of what I’ve done because, trust me, they remember EVERY SINGLE F-UP you make so if you don’t make them keep score of the good stuff, you’ll be Hitler in their eyes after a few months.
             ‘night

          2. Some good things to think about here. Men need to realize that when they are spending money on women they shouldn’t expect money (or anything) in return. Again, I don’t mind spending my money or time on women (for a little company), I don’t expect anything but I’ll usual reserve my time and money for someone I’m banging on a regular basis. This way, at least, it’s a trade in “services” so to say. Too many men get caught up in trying to buy women and when things go south they are pissed. I say hold back the time and money until it’s a good deal for both parties involved. Live in the moment, have a good time. Thanks.

          3. Oh hell Driver. If you want to quibble, let’s say that when we spend money on ANYONE, don’t expect anything in return. Once the money leaves your hands, it’s karma’s choice whether to give you something back or not.
             It’s funny how our minds work the same but a little different. When I was banging a woman (in that context, now married), I spent LESS on her. One thing I want to teach my daugher is that after a guy bangs you, all the “hand” you have over him is gone. Unless he’s dumb, of course. 🙂
             Once I got laid, any emotional effect over me they had was eliminated. Yeah, I could get more sex but as far as emotional bragging rights go, a single lay is as valid as a thousand. The name of the game is to spend as little as possible and be creative/romantic about it, get them into bed, and then you can even negotiate “friends with benefits”.
             I have a dozen close women friends and I don’t spend any more on them than my male friends.
             The Rule for men should be to not spend money on women friends anymore than you’d spend on men friends. If you want to bang someone, don’t spend money on them otherwise you’re even a bigger sucker than a guy who blows money on lavish dates to make a fool of himself. A friend you have to buy with money is no friend. Even my cat now brings me home love offerings of food to show her appreciation of me as a friend.

          4. Nope, no quibbling…I think we’re on the same page. I don’t have any friends who are women. I either get involved with a woman I’m interested in, I let her know my intentions (I’m interested)..and not friends…and it goes where it goes. If not, then I can’t say I stay friends with these women.
             Too many younger men (I think) have been brainwashed by society. Feminism has done a number on many of them and I can see how many of them are confused.

          5. I’m enjoying this discussion so apologies for drawing it out.
             I have several women friends, of different ages, and found their company invaluable. Note that I didn’t even imagine trying to do the friend->GF transition. I just wanted friendship and that was it. What I like about those friendships is that it gives me a comfortable interaction with women without the “gotta say what it takes to get nookie” undercurrent that’s common elsewhere. It allowed me to be cool with women when I was trying to hook up with them.
             I think every young man should go to a legal brothel in a foreign country at least once just to experience what’s it’s like to get nookie without having to jump through hoops to get it. It’s mind blowing. On the opposite side, talking to woman without trying to get nookie (friends) also exercises a man’s ability to be comfortable with women. I think that RoK often comes across as a bunch of horny men who think like the stereotypical teenage boy about sex every 10 seconds. It becomes such an obsession about managing women to get laid, that it makes it difficult to have a balanced life. When I was young, I did a “fight club” style homework exercise: I went out on a date with a pretty girl and had zero intention of banging her even if she was interested. I did that a few times in fact. Ever cook a meal to just throw it away? It’s like beating down an addiction to food. The ability to control ones appetites. It also helps that this increases one’s confidence and self-control which is a super turn on for women but it also balances oneself.
             One of my friends is an 85 year old former Hitler youth member (nice gal). She’s fascinating and a wonderful friend for 20 years. Another is a woman friend I met over USENET a long time ago she hosted me in Finland. She was invaluable as a cultural guide. A young woman friend, an aspiring actress, was a lot of fun. Another was a model and I hung out with her at modeling shows (kind of like George Castanza getting an “in” into the model world). I did have to be careful because one woman, a user, took advantage of me for a loan for rent and never paid me back. But a male friend of mine also jumped off after I loaned him money. Basically, I learned to be careful about loaning money to ANYONE.

          6. You sound like a pussy.

67. Just an example of how desperate women are for friends I have these two girls freshman year that lived in the same dorm as me, i only ever talk to them when we’re smoking weed because they give it to me for free so my as well take advantage but one day we were at the same party and they were drunk and they asked me if we were friends and I said no just acquaintances and they both started sobbing for what seemed like an hour, i was like what the fuck is wrong with you

68. I can’t tell if this is just manipulative click-bait or just pure autism.
    Being RP means being savvy when it comes to getting laid or finding the right person for an LTR. Having a non-brainwashed perspective and able to self-improve.
    Not being a weirdo who shuns half the human population.

    1. I can talk to, laugh with and otherwise enjoy the company of a woman, but that doesn’t mean that she’s my friend. Friendship is more than the casual “Hey, what’s up” thing that most people think it is these days.

69. I’ve been there and learned the hard way ,but it led me to the red pill!

70. Haven’t been friends with girls I haven’t slept with ever. Worked out just fine. The few “friendly” things I’ve had with girls have been nothing but them leaching my testosterone up their noses and complaining about their lives.
    Waste of time. Women are for reproduction and entertainment.

71. I agree completely with the sex first, friends later idea. Of course you do have to become antiquated first. I’ve always found it so sad to see young men act like sad puppy dogs due to unrequited love. It destroys them to even acknowledge womens true nature. So sad. Please don’t be that guy guys.

72. What about the women I don’t want and who want me and that I end up friendzoning?

    1. If they’re tolerable they can be useful as demonstrations of value

    2. Are you serious? You seem to be kidding yourself.

       1. Why? Don’t you have standards? Must you go with every woman who throws yourself at you/wants you? Do you not see how easily manipulated you are if you do that? Isn’t there anything you want for yourself?

73. There are legitimate reasons to have female acquaintances (notice I didn’t say friends): Networking, for one. I’ve landed a couple of jobs having a few girls in the Rolodex, so to speak. They did quite a bit of the leg work to land me the jobs, too. These are not women you text or even speak to, often. A quick “hello” once in a great while will suffice.
    You can even be a little flirty with them, but be very careful with this, and make sure there is NO commitment or cost to you, by being associated with them. For instance, a clearly defined business lunch, whereby the check is split, no drinks, etc.
    As soon as they try to make you into a ‘friend’, you politely decline. I have plans with the guys this weekend, etc. If they want to go to happy hour, and it is not with a group of colleagues or to entertain a client, politely decline. An example conversation:
    “Hey, my boyfriend/husband/fiancé (they love to use ‘fiancé’ when it isn’t true) are going to X. Want to come?”
    “No thanks, I have plans with the guys. Have a good one!”

74. It’s impossible to overstate the importance of this message. If I could do one thing, it would be to get all the guys out there to really take this in and live it. The root of all problems between the sexes stems from this. Guys are ruining themselves by spending time in the company of women.

75. When women ‘explain’ something that they themselves come up with, if you look carefully, you will realize that the rationale is child-like, but the language is adult-like.
    This is why it is not easily discernable. We take women’s logic as adult logic, because of the grownup language, as well as the fact that they themselves are adults. However, pondering deeply at it, one would realize that the basic, core, the essense of the idea is indeed infantile, childish.

76. I keep thinking “It’s not that hard to be friends with girls while maintaining your sense of self”. But then I think about it a bit further, and realize that out of the hundreds of girls I’ve met in my life, I am only friendly acquaintances with at most 15, and there’s only one that I’d actually be willing to be friends with. The others all failed my sentience test.
    The average guy I’ve met, on the other hand, tends to just barely pass my sentience test (If I’m giving a grade, they’d get a D-).
    (These results are skewed in favor of me meeting sentient people, due to the fact that I avoid meeting people who don’t pass my “am I willing to look at you” test.)

77. 2, 4 and 5 are the same thing though…

78. My wife keeps bringing it up that when we first met, I didn’t want to be friends. She can’t get it through her head that if I did, I would be married to someone else.

79. I completely agree with this article. I tried lot to give chances to gals as friends and then I realized it is true that, men are %90 better friends to other men. Even women think same. (I heard from them)
    You should give a gal one or two chance to see if she is really motivated friend. then move on.

80. Well,it’d be great to be a boy bud of some hot babe,because,while you aren’t expecting anything to blossom (the way her boobs did!!!!!),if you have enough in common,she may begin to see you as a stud rather than a bud!!!

    1. Highly unlikely. “Hot” women constantly complain about the amount of male attention they receive. “Hot” women have a plethora of penis to choose from, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. They won’t ever see you as a stud, because they have plenty of them already, and as a bud you are merely a convenience, not a necessity.

81. Statistically it’s highly unlikely to meet a ‘real’ woman in the USA and even elsewhere, but it is not impossible.
    I do agree with the discussion.
    I encourage my wife to sleep over at her sisters or mom’s house so she’ll have real friends. I only guarantee her my polite behavior. However, I’m a doormat if someone is ill and/or injured, where I’m the only one available at that time to assist. But that’s more of a human thing though…
    My mother is a female friend.
    Once again, the topic is true.

82. The term I use is “friend-in-law.”
    Meaning you are my friend’s wife, so I will be polite and pleasant with you as the situation merits, but otherwise there is no lasting bond.

83. The writer has Asperger’s. Any normal person can be friends with their gf’s friends, or their buddy’s gf.
    It could be the whole ‘manosphere’ is somewhere on the autism spectrum and trying to compensate.

84. Well,yeah,maybe,but I get broads APPROACHING ME,complimenting on my boyish good looks,etc.,so I’m not worried.Besides,generally,even the chicks who think of you as JUST a bud give you an idea of how you stand with them before long.

85. It’s striking to me how much women still believe that men and women can be friends. Who are they fooling? Must be themselves because lately multiple studies have pointed out that a platonic friendship between heterosexual men and women isn’t so genuine as it may look.
    Never trust women who claim they have male friends. It’s a big red flag. She is a planet with dozens of orbiters around her.

86. “…when she turns 34 ..blah blah blah …and is riddled with wrinkles and cellulite—plus sagging breasts to top it all.”
    Aw come on… For fuck’s sake… 34…?
    I don’t know what kind of drug-fucked, junkie scabs populate your world, but I routinely see slim elegant women in their 40s ….who I find more desirable …than many of the overweight 20 year olds these days, who cover themselves in slut stamps & shrapnel.

    1. Shrapnel lol

87. I can’t believe I read this entire article (which is good btw) and most of the comments and there is no mention at all of the fact that.. men and women today have NOTHING in common!! Completely different expectations, completely different perspectives, our challenges and what people expect from us is COMPLETELY different! What’s there to even talk about?!?

88. I had some good female friends in my 20’s. Some Dutch girls. But I am not interested in female friends anymore.

89. “Would you respect a woman who spreads her legs open for any and every man she meets? No, of course not. ”
    I gather from this that you consider the important thing some kind of sexual fidelity?
    Ask yourself this: Should a woman then, give a fuck about a guy who preachs he is traveling the world sticking his dick inside any hole he sees?
    No, we may take advantage of such a guy, but in the great scheme of things, he’s some nobody that’s to be ignored.
    Your own argument, bitchboy.

90. After reading this article I can only conclude the author is a 12 year old boy or functionally illiterate.

91. Excellent article. Just excellent. 100% Truth.

92. In the west men are so weird about friends. In the middle east many women and men are friends over war, work, things like that, and it’s strictly professional. It works. You have a common interest where you need to advance, whether it is fighting a revolution, making money, promoting a charity, in many traditional societies, there are formal acquaintances – it’s much easier when you are married. At the same time, there is a clear NO Blurred lines. Women NEVER date friends, just not cool.
    The worst most lame thing is a male girlfriend. Like the guy that is not gay and gets a pedicure nails painted with you! We have girls to do girly stuff with, don’t need men for that. I don’t get the whole men going into female spaces – it only gets them friend-zoned. If a man wants to ask a girl out, he should be straight forward about it. Where I come from he gets the approval of her father, in other places, he gets her number, however it works.
    For women what’s important is the first interaction. My husband is an engineer, has a couple female friends from engineering who are married with kids. It was clear from the beginning it was just a study group, and later people helping each other find work, get promoted. A female friend for just being a “friend” whom you don’t have a project & interests to advance in common? Why. Getting married they became mutal friends

    1. Well, in truth, people in the west don’t really make friends, at least none that you can depend on. Our idea of what a friend is falls along lines of entertainment; how can you amuse me today. Of course, this is a generalization, but part of this is from the fact that people in the west, particularly in America, move around a lot, mainly for career purposes, so we don’t have a lot of time to make good, solid friends. All the friends I had in childhood I have absolutely no contact with, and haven’t for decades. I have no idea where they are, or what’s going on with them. Because we move around a lot, whether we live in cities or the suburbs or in the rural areas we are atomized, in that we don’t know who are neighbors are and we don’t care to know them. We don’t expect to be there three, four, or five years from now, and if we do we don’t expect our neighbors will be there that long. Even if they are, they are not like us, on an individual level. They will be different, in terms of religious beliefs, politics, sports, hobbies, and, now, sexual tendencies. My aunt and uncle, who live out in a relatively rural area, just had a family of nudists from California move in behind their area.
       This is in part because Americans, especially, have been so conditioned not to have any personal standards that come from religious belief so as not to talk about it. In America, we don’t talk religion or politics in mixed company, for fear of giving offense. Our most common bonds might be sports or movie interests, and that’s about it.
       This didn’t happen on its own; this was a deliberate effort. The unwritten Constitution prior to WWII was that communities of ethnicities could establish “colonies” here, which is why when you go to various American cities you might find a Chinatown, a Pole Town, a “Little Italy,” and others. These are gone; mere window dressing of a by-gone time. Social engineers within our own government didn’t like this kind of thing, and they used various techniques in order to break them up, and keep us all moving and atomized, to the point that whatever ethnicity we may have been doesn’t really exist anymore compared to whatever the powers that be consider “American.” It’s a form of control.

93. Definitely you have your priorities screwed up. While it’s always best to make a freind of someone, trying to freind a girl means that you’ve forgotten anything masculine and pucked up the Red Pill. Being freinds amondg girls means totally different than it does to guys, and you’d be such and oddity to her that you’re begging to be sucked into some female game; like she’ll try to White Knight you into a domestic violence situation, get to sign a loan. . .Freakin’ anything. Now, picture how backstabbing and manipulative they are with other women. Then understand that you’re more disposeable as a freind than any of them are. You’re going to get fucked over really, really bad, because men see freindships with some trust and stuff. Women don’t see it that way.
    And for you newbies. . .When a woman tells a man they want to be friends, they’re lying and blowing you off. If you make an honest, respectful effort, intending to truly just be a “bud,” they’ll get a restraining order on you.

94. ”For about a century or more, a systematic androgynization has been taking place in our societies. And one of the major consequences of this transformation is the emergence of friendship between men and women—something that had been quite alien throughout human history.”
    ‘Befriending woman” not allowed. It is the fruit of the serpent to befriend woman. Woman came from YOU man, from your rib. Befriending your own rib and exhalting it above yourself is akin to masturbation. A full circle masturbator that succumbs to the act and who plunges into themself will implode, deconstructing and un creating themself. Like the monkey in the corner who faps endlessly. It brings back visions of Chinese opium dens.
    http://www.sickchirpse.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Kolkate-Indian-Chinese-Opium-Den.jpg

95. Those pictures are hard to look at because they remind me of my high school blue pill years. I’ve never seen a genuine male female friendship. One or the other is usually romantically interested.

96. I’ve made mistakes in the past but this was never one of them. I have never been friends with a girl simply due to lack of common interest and lack of intellectual/mature conversation. Women change subjects constantly and barely scratch the surface. It’s insane.
    Example of a woman’s conversation; “I just bought a new pair of shoes from Macy’s, Macy’s?! I was there on Saturday. Saturday?! I went to Whole foods on Saturday and bought stuff to make blueberry muffins. Muffins?! I know a place on Broad Street that has great muffins. Oh! there’s a great Chinese food place on Broad Street. Chinese people are so funny. We saw a funny comedian at the comedy club downtown. I don’t like going down town anymore, there’s no where to park. My apartment complex has bad parking. I LOVE your apartment, yours has a kitchen island. I wish I lived on an Island so I could tan all day on the beach. We’re going to the beach tomorrow. I’m going to a country concert tomorrow. I love country music. I like Jason Aldean. Yeah, who’s he dating?”

97. Men and women can be just friends if they aren’t sexually attracted to each other, like brothers and sisters.

    1. if you heard the shit women talk about, why would you want to be friends with them ?

98. Women tend to socialize differently. They socialize around gossip more and activities less. I would be friends if a women could meet all my criteria, but I wouldn’t change my criteria to be friends with women.

99. I think friendship with both is probably a good idea. Too much friendship with only girls and the campness and femininity might start to happen.
    Too much friendship with only guys (depending on guy) and dirty emotionless sex talk will probably dominate your mind.
    It’s the same reason we have one male and one female parent as children, to get all your personality “amino acids”.
    Yes I have a female friend and yes I pay for everything (she’s homeless), yes I have spent several hours with her in A&E with her head on my lap for 2 packets of antibiotics! and I’m not attracted to her. Yes I put her straight if she’s upset me with her behaviour.

100. From an evolutionary perspective, the strong/virile men would have all gone out long distances hunting or raiding together. Strong bonds with other men and little drama, with the occasional, transitory spate to sort out the pecking order, reinforced them as a cohesive unit. This is why men can come together in groups of 30 or more with few histrionics and a lot of cooperation/mutual helpfulness (along with heaps of playful bullshit talk). It is beneficial to everyone to know that the guy to your side is protecting you and in return you do the same for him. If you can share a few jokes along the way so much the better.
     Women on the other hand, would have been gathering in close proximity to camp. She would have constantly jockeyed for resources and alliances with others in order to support her children…fickle alliances that could form or break at the drop of a hat. The ability to deceive others into thinking you were on her side would have been royally handy, and betrayal was common if it was advantageous. If any men were part of the gathering scene/left at camp, they likely were effeminate, or had some kind of disability, or simply disabled due to age. Thus women would respect and desire to breed with those males in close proximity less than the strong ones who went out to hunt. Of course it occasionally happened–every woman gets the itch if her husband is away for three months, and hey Urk the Strong is pretty cute with his sprained arm–(thus the trope of the milkman was born) but the cultural expectation was for her to have exclusive relations with her primary male.

     1. Or the “Jody”

101. Unfortunately I cant agree with any of this. Though I do understand the message he is trying to send, don’t be used, don’t be available, don’t be a ‘slut’ even as a friend. Sure. Great ideas.
     BUT
     I am friends with A LOT of females. Hot, high standing females. They give you access to their hot friends. I cannot say how many times I’ve friended a girl and proceeded to go around her entire friend group fucking each and every one of them I wanted.
     These girls score me free shit on the regular because guys buy them shit and they just give it to me. I drink for free because they tell other guys what Im drinking when they ask to buy them a drink.
     Don’t friend fatties. Don’t friend losers. Don’t friend messy sloppy drunks and druggies. And no, don’t friend flakes. These are friends, expect and treat them the same as a bro. bust on them, don’t put up with their shit.
     As for the attraction. In the words of David D. Give it the lifespan of a fruitfly, let it live 2 weeks then let it fucking die.

102. The four words women say that strike terror in every man: We need to talk. I suspect 95 percent of men would rather storm the beaches of Normandy as depicted in the opening scenes of “Saving Private Ryan.”

     1. Disagree. A man would see whatever she is about to lay on you a mile away and had been expecting it days, weeks in advance.

     2. It does, to a point. If you’re still blue pill, it will terrify you. If not, it may be a blessing in disguise.

     3. That’s when you respond, “Nah, let’s not,” and that’s the last time you speak to her or see her.

103. I think it’s alright to be friends with women, just as long as you expect nothing from them.

     1. 1. How do you figure? Please back up your claim.

           2. Because women see friendship as weakness. A woman has no male friends.
              No woman is able to respect a weak man.
              If you want women to like you for “what you are” – be a strong and powerful man and stop beeing a whiny wuss.

           3. If you still dont get it. Read this.
              Day1:
              Husband and master comes home – Hey babe, I am home! Go put on something nice with heels, when i am done eating i wanna fuck you.
              She: Ok, red shoes or black shoes?
              Day2: Hey honey, i am home! Whats this? My food!!! Its cold and disgusting, can you not cook? WTF! This is anacceptable, I will go get a pizza. Dont cook this vegan shit ever again, hear me!!
              She: Yes, I am sorry. I..I thought…my friend told me its the latest…sorry, wont happen again.
              Day3: Hi love of my life. Today i was reading a women magazine and i was thinking we should do more talking. So we understand each other and can be friends!
              She: !!!
              Yes my darling, I want to explore my feelings and share some stories about my childhood when my dog died so we can grow together.
              She: Whats wrong with you? Are you on drugs again?
              No, no its just i want you to love me for who i am. Show you my soft inner self so you can love me for who i truely am. Let me hug you; pleeease give me a hug!
              She: I am leaving. Bye.

104. Get it through your head lady, If you want a friend…get a dog.

     1. Have to agree there.
        Dogs are better than people.

105. This reminds me of the movie Loser which I just rewatched on TV after 15 years or so. For anyone not familiar with it, Jason Biggs plays a Midwestern who has Dan Aykroyd for a dad who moves from the Midwest to attend college in NYC and becomes the goody goody two shoes outcast. He falls for Mena Suvari who plays some weird Goth chick who’s banging her douche English teacher. And the ending is predictable. Suvari after awhile realizes the professor is a tool and finally falls in love for Biggs, who clearly doesn’t mind the fact that she still has intellectual jizz in her belly. Yeah, this us one bad movie. Aside from your stereotype bully white jocks, your $30000 a semester English classes, your mean big city attitude, this is the highlight of the film. The proverbial friendzone. Not surprisingly, it tanked in cinemas and proceeded to end the careers of both Suvari and Biggs, although at least she married some fart twice her age, so there’s that. Of course, if it had been made today, with Selena Gomez or Demi Lovato as leads and some fat brony as the friend, it might have had different luck.

     1. Brony?
        BTW, having Dan Akroyd as your dad..must be pretty damn cool! I would have loved Dr. Detroit to be my father!
        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3af05e6030f71a14c3def7354b7a889660cc3f5ec9089ebf45dba121baf184ac.jpg

        1. BTW, Aykroyd ended up marrying the Blonde hooker on the left. And has been with her for 34 years!

     2. I just watched “Her” (2013), weird movie with Joaquin Phoenix who plays a nerdy loser who falls in love with his computer’s operating system, which is an advanced A.I. interface but actually acts an awful lot like a human female in terms of emotional reactivity. It’s interesting but sort of sad. (But there was a quasi-hilarious moment when the A.I. confessed that she was simultaneously — literally — communicating with 614 other men.)

106. I did not read this. I don’t like being friends with guys, let alone girls.

107. I have a lot of male acquaintances, which has been beneficial, but friendships dont work. Inevitably they launch into a desperate spiel of “I’ve had a crush on you so long, I like you so much better than my gf, blah blah” Don’t be that guy. I want to hear that as much as you want to hear, “Can we just be friends?” Either way, someone is being used. And the slave boys in these pics .. what is this? If you’re not fully convinced girls are laughing at men for that behavior, I promise you they are. Yesterday a friend sent me an article scolding men who “aggressively” ask out a girl (ie more than once), and praising men who approach girls with “humility and respect”.” Humility?!?! What am I, the Queen of Sheba? I don’t understand why men are emasculating themselves like this, and I’m not sure what’s worse – the feminists or the male feminist allies.

     1. “…I’m not sure what’s worse – the feminists or the male feminist allies.”
        They’re both equally useless, nonproductive, and harmful to the foundation of families & relationships.

108. Friend Zone:
     Your rank is somewhere around – after I screw everyone on the planet; you will be next in line.

109. All of these ring true for me, especially #6. I used to spend a LOT of time with women and I didn’t know how much I was losing my masculinity. One lady i’ve known for a while even told me she thought I was I gay when we first met! Ain’t that some shit?

110. I am “friends” with some of the escorts I know.
     After I pay them & bang them, we go out & get f’d up.
     A fun time for all…

111. Stop feeding female egos and shame men who do. Biggest problem with American women is their massively undeserved sense of self worth.

112. Socialising in a setting where you both happen to be is one thing as is caring about a female acquaintance but actually behaving liked a female friend ie arranging to meet up, her ‘pouring’ her heart out to you, basically behaving like a girlfriend with balls is downright weird.
     I would never ever think this is right.
     The comedy ‘Friends’ has a lot to blame for this; though, the observant will see that two of the men paired up with two of the women. Not really ‘friends’ at all then.
     Nevertheless, the myth of men and women being able to be friends as if sex didn’t matter was in part propagated by this programme.

113. I’ve worked with women many times on various projects.. and much as I thought of them as friends, as soon as the project was up it was “bye bye” (on their part). And it must be said, with guys in particular, there’s always the sex angle in the back of your mind.. women are much better at turning this kind of thing off (and on again at will), but us guys are much more slaves to our libidos. When you’re friends with women there will always be sexual tension, which only heightens when there are other guys in the room.. the article advises a guy to ask himself what his true motive is when friends with a girl; I would posit that a guy’s motive will always have sex as a component.
     TBH, the only reason to befriend a woman nowadays is in the hopes my LTR partner will get on well with her, and alternatively, I might get along with her male partner. It becomes a win-win.

     1. “TBH, the only reason to befriend a woman nowadays is in the hopes my LTR partner will get on well with her, and” – until this point it makes perfect sense.
        …and it will be a nice 3some!

114. attractive girls are self centered so its pretty much going to be a one side conversation with them

115. “Like a wine that gets mixed with water, the more you spend time mingling with females as their buddies, the more diluted your masculinity becomes. ”
     This is unfortunately true when you’re forced to work with women, or work for a female boss. But it’s undeniably hard to avoid both.

116. A friend of mine said: “never ever date a girl who has a ton of guy friends.” While many of her guy friends are supplicating betas “waiting for their turn,” if you are a somewhat attractive guy, you cannot avoid those “super friendly girls” who go out of their way to talk to you.
     A guy who doesn’t honor the bro-code will spit game and bang these girls.

117. Uh I have female friends and no I never been at the extent of those pics or doing or getting treated as you say. They know I don’t do any of that girly stuff and respect me as a man. And no I don’t befriend women because I want to get into their pants actually been the opposite and some are useful from time to time but I don’t choose friends necessarily for their usefulness. They don’t ask for any serious favors and if they did and I didn’t appreciate it I would let down on it. Really just be straight with the way you treat any other friend. A friend that think you have to do this and that with unwavering loyalty with hardly anything to give back shouldn’t be your friend

118. This article is always a good reminder…

119. But you could use her to get to a friend of hers who just might be looking for a mate. If she’s a good friend she’ll even act as matchmaker or at least send you tips on friends of hers who might be interested.

120. I like this post a lot! I like how ROK throws up an older post now and then. I just found out about this site just 7 months ago and don’t have the time to go back and look at older posts.

     1. Same!

121. Help me out here brothers:
     In the small town where I live I have lesbian neighbors whom I say “hi” to and chit chat with occasionally. They have some decent looking straight friends and one of the pair is a huge SJW.
     I occasionally get invites to a bbq there and it may be a decent opportunity to get with some of their better looking straight friends.
     Waste of time? Good idea?
     Do I risk being seen as a “dike knight” the male equivalent of a “fag hag”?

     1. No harm in showing up to be cordial. Being a polite neighbor is not the same thing as hanging out and being best buds.

122. First of all, I would have never painted nails or anything of the sort… However when I was 17 I was “best pals” with a hot blonde during school hours, while she had an older bf that her parents hated. I figured as said, she would take the nice guy… Well after that school year we made a date for dinner and a movie. She showed up 25 minutes late and excitedly told me that she had just experienced 5 different positions! The bitch had not even taken the time to take a shower. I was crushed, but never again has that happened. I have not thought about that in years…

     1. Had a similar situation happen to me back in middle school/high school. I knew this girl since middle school and occasionally she would show interest in me in like 8th grade. When we got to high school I was super in to her, because she was the girl next door type and was really into rock/metal so I dug that.
        Anyway, it turns out she was with all the bad boys and I was the beta nice guy who treated her well. I had the similar idea that she would value that above these trashy guys who were losers (some even felons and one who would eventually get involved with an underage girl), but as you learned too, I was dead wrong.
        What is even more embarrassing, is that I bought her a gift for her birthday without having any investment from her. I then asked her out to one of the dances and she said no im not interested in going at all, but then she went with some tool. Basically I learned in high school that being friendly in nice like that is obviously not the way to go lol
        I also just remembered this, but a year or so after I gave up and stopped talking to her, I ran into her with a buddy and she was telling us about a “horror story” of how she was with a guy recently who lost a condom inside her. Yeah thats the type of girl I “fell in love with” in high school lol.
        The end result for her though now is she’s a single mom who has been plowed by probably over 100 guys at least and is now living back in our hometown. So even though I failed miserably back then, who is the real fuck up in the end?

123. The night I met my current gf I looked her directly in the eye with a sly grin and told her, “I’m not interested in you as a friend.”
     My directness moistened the shit out of her panties.
     The sad beta in her friend zone who pines for her is always the first to “like” every fart and turd she posts on FB. I actually get to meet his flabby ass at an upcoming wedding I’ll attend. I will definitely (figuratively) piss all over him and claim him as my bitch when I meet him.

     1. Every now and then, my wife will bring up the fact that I refused to be her friend when we were first dating. Either, we were dating, or I would have nothing to do with her. This went on for about a year. Meanwhile, there were 4 or 5 orbiters around her. “Why couldn’t you just be friends with me?, You were so confusing” To which I reply, “Well, we are married now aren’t we?” To which she has no real reply. Those 4 or 5 orbiters? They are nowhere to be seen, and I now I am best friends to whom I married. You want to talk about “confusing”, that is those guys who were hiding their real intentions.

        1. Male/female “friends” is such an unhealthy relationship: the woman using the man as a “just in case” and the man is lying about his true intent; he wants action, not a buddy.

124. Article idea: How to act when you meet her exes, or beta orbiters

125. “…I’m sure there is still a small chance that your dream girl will eventually fall for you when she turns 34 after being penetrated with mouthful of penises, and is riddled with wrinkles and cellulite—plus sagging breasts to top it all. Maybe then she will be ready to fall in love with how good of a toady provider you are.”
     Spot on.

126. I live by these words.

127. I WONDER IF NAIL PAINTER AARON ever Untucked his Nutsack and realized he looks like the Village Idiot’s favorite idiot. WHAT A PANSY haha

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