I carefully followed the events from Charlottesville this past weekend that culminated with a declaration of emergency for the state of Virginia and the death of a liberal protester who was ran over by an alleged Nazi sympathizer. Regardless of the peaceful intent of the alt right protest, I believe this was a catastrophe that has given the establishment key momentum to marginalize and harm dissidents whose ideology is not based solely on white nationalism.
Charlottesville saw the exact same story we’ve seen during my Canadian lectures in 2015, university events by Milo Yiannopoulos, and spring time protests in Berkeley of coordination between the state authorities and far-left groups like antifa or Black Lives Matter. In the case of Charlottesville, city government and Virginia state police shut down the alt right event before it started through a state of emergency that made any assembly “unlawful,” even though a Federal Judge sanctioned the legality of the event a day before.
Police proceeded to eject alt right protesters from a park into the waiting arms of rabid antifags, who proceeded to attack by launching pepper spray and other objects. One alt right personality, Baked Alaska, is looking at permanent eye damage from what may be a diluted acid attack. Many others on his side sustained serious injuries.
The police determined that any assembly was unlawful for the right, but not for antifa and Black Lives Matter, who gathered bats and other weapons to protest on the streets, completely unmolested. That is when an alt right protester plowed into a crowded intersection with his car, causing the death of a 32-year-old leftist and injuring over a dozen others.
It turns out that the driver was a fan of Hitler and Nazi imagery (other protesters showed up with a Nazi flag). With the narrative now sealed, the media has the death they need to link the alt right to Nazism and domestic terrorism, providing a perfect rallying cry for leftists around the world to dox, harass, impoverish, and threaten dozens of men associated with the protest. I have no doubt that ROK and myself will be put back on the chopping block once the alt right is weakened from this massive assault.
Many dissident commentators are speaking out on how the police were unfair. The left was given a pass, they say, to run wild and attack with impunity, but that doesn’t really matter. This is the game as it is, not as you want it to be, so if you expect fair treatment while the rule of law applies to you but not your enemy, you will lose. If you’re counting on the police to protect you, you will lose. Might makes right, and right now big chunks of the dissident movement is flailing their arms crying about how the enemy is not playing by the rules while they get their clock cleaned. This is not a tactic that will lead to victory.
The reaction of the biggest alt right leader, Richard Spencer, tells me that he was neither prepared not qualified to deal with the events in Charlottesville. His post-mortem podcast was painful to listen to—he joked around and complained endlessly about it being a “set-up.” If I didn’t study properly for an exam, I’d think the teacher set me up, too, upon realizing I don’t have any of the answers.
Would you show up to a rally next month if led by a man who is jovial a day after one of his associates was blinded by a chemical? His actions after the Charlottesville debacle make me question his leadership, and while he may be sincere and gutsy, that’s not enough to prevent injuries and deaths getting racked up on your scorecard. To his credit, he did tighten up in his press conference, but he needs to do some serious soul-searching on whether he’s the man who can continue as a leader for his followers.
There are two psy-op triggers that are buried deep in the American mind: rape and Nazism. When I triggered the world with my How To Stop Rape article, I took the loss and stopped talking about rape. When the alt right triggered the world with their “Hail Victory” Nazi salute, which I defended on free speech grounds, they doubled down until someone who legitimately believed he was a Nazi killed someone.
It’s clear that the Nazi trolling, encouraged by the likes of The Daily Stormer and The Right Stuff, will get you meme-making internet fans and at least one real-life idiot who ends up killing others, whether accidentally or not. The Charlottesville death vindicates prior denouncements by the likes of Gavin McInnes, Paul Ramsey (Ramzpaul), and Mike Cernovich, who seemed to know what an appeal to Nazism would lead to.
If Donald Trump doesn’t need to meme about Hilter to win an election, you don’t either, unless you want your movement to die or be seen as controlled opposition. It’s no surprise that Trump came out to speak against “racism” and “hate,” throwing the alt right under the bus. Their stench is just too great, which is why I will continue to moderate pro-Nazi imagery and users from all sites I operate.
There is a personality called Millennial Matt. Watch this clip of him giving a hospital update of his friend Baked Alaska:
I know that look on his face, because I had the same back in February 2016 during the meetup outrage. It’s when a man is pushed to his limit, when he feels the walls closing in around him, and when he’s hoping that things will just blow over, but sometimes the momentum is too large and things don’t blow over—it continues for weeks. I expect civil lawsuits by those injured in the car accident in the near future.
This isn’t a game, this is war. You may scoff at that comment, but if you’re going to a rally without the expectation that someone there will try to maim or kill you, you run a high risk of being maimed or killed. We have broken the seal of death, and people will start dying at increasing rates. Antifa will want payback for the death of one of their communist allies, so you should not attend any rally unless you’re able to defend your life. Big boobed e-thots should stay home. I repeat, this is not a game, and there is zero excuse for you to be blindsided from this point on.
An important question is what to do next. Rallies and other public events should be crossed off the list unless you’re prepared to run them like a counter-terrorist operation, which is how I was able to pull off my Canadian lectures. It makes absolutely no sense to announce the time and place of your meeting for the main benefit of appearing in fake news, all to be ambushed by antifa who have nothing to lose through their felonious violence.
Unless you’re an e-celeb with a huge ego, you don’t need public events, you don’t need to make the news, and you don’t need to gather massive groups of men you don’t know. Build your movement slow and steady instead of attracting whack jobs who praise Hitler and run people over with cars. Create flash events where leftist foot soldiers don’t receive advance notice on their iPhones of your whereabouts, and focus on winning hearts and minds with poignant, effective, or humorous engagements that are publicized through images or video and allow you to grow slowly as you gain needed experience.
If you insist on facing off with antifa, it’s going to be a fight that will likely lead to injury or imprisonment for you, but not imprisonment for them, and with the My Paycheck Matters police on the side of the state, it’s a hill you don’t want to die on until we enter a hot Civil War scenario. If you can’t become as competent on the field as a genuine Army Major, do not lead people into what will be sure ruin.
It should be clear that we have no allies in existing state and cultural institutions. They hate you and wish you would disappear, because you’re the one remaining obstacle to allowing them to permanently rule and usher in their “end of history.” They’re currently treating you with kid gloves, but we’re fast approaching the point where it will just be easier to outright kill you through their antifa or BLM zombies.
Before you associate with any dissident leader, ask yourself if he will get you maimed or impoverished through his incompetence, unpreparedness, or stupidity. Are you following a leader with an ego or an ego who doesn’t know how to lead? Since we’re still about 2-4 years away from violence that will make Charlottesville look like nothing, you still have time to decide the best way to proceed for you and your country.
Start from home. Little by little, we shall right the ship.
In a related note, it is being reported that Jason Kessler, one of the organizers of the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, was pro-Obama and pro-Occupy movement until November 2016, after Trump won the White House. To me, it seems quite possible that this entire catastrophe for the alt-right was a set-up from the very beginning.
Yeh, the police let them arrive at the park, then declared ‘unlawful assembly’, forcing them back out onto the streets with BLM and Antifa shadowing them back to their cars. Akin to the ‘Retreat from Kabul’ or the end of ‘Blackhawk Down.’
Spencer and company had to have assumed something like this would happen. Why didn’t they plan ahead and bring their own security? I read somewhere that Milo spends endless amounts on security when he goes to colleges to lectures. This was much more dangerous ground.
milo’s smarter
Milo is not capable of pulling something like this off in enemy territory.
They did bring security. Our guys were constrained and professional with a few exceptions.
Spencer got maced by the cops and i hope no one here is suggesting we should have directly assaulted the cops
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No,no one could forsee the Governor and Mayor conspiring to disobey an order by a Federal Judge , and so blatantly.
And plenty of Milo supporters have been viscously assaulted going to his speeches.
well if so, he would be aware of that in advance. Richard Spencer et al were also not capable of doing that, yet they attempted to bring it off and failed spectacularly. Sometimes ‘smart’ means choosing your battles carefully. How many battles in history have been won precisely because the losing army was lured into an open battle in territory where it was disadvantaged
read the comment by ‘antidem’ below. The organisers put themselves at the mercy of forces they should have known would have been bitterly opposed to them, and assumed they would play fair, only to discover they had no such intention. The difference with respect to Milo was that where the same kind of Antifa violence played out, he always made them look like the aggressors that they were. The ‘unite the right’ attendees though were not made of the same mettle, nor did they have the same discipline. The far right types are an unstable element, not least because they are at the very least ambivalent about violence if not positively in favour
These men were idiots from the start looking for a cause to express righteous indignation about. From bringing Neo Nazi flags, sounding the rally cry from off of the Internet, coming with protective gear implying they knew and expected violence, and not accounting for the potential degenerates who would be looking to act once things get rough, it was the worst case shit show for ‘Alt Right’ guys. Knowing the propensity of keyboard worries or those simply out of touch with reality, I was glad Roosh distanced himself from the Stormfront guys since they had a thinly veiled allegiance to everything this protest demonstrated.
TL;DR Leave the inbred alone. Unless if you are anti-fragile or have a death wish, just leave protests alone or fine tune what you wish to align with publicly.
Again, this was completely foreseeable. The Governor and the Mayor did not disobey an order by a Federal Judge. From what I have seen so far, they did not break the law, they actually went the opposite direction and hyper-enforced the law. They drilled down on a technicality. My understanding from the few things I have seen is that the declaration of an illegal assembly was based on one of two things: either there were people assembling before the permitted start time of the assembly (like 15 minutes before the stated time they were supposed to start the event), or there was a minor skirmish(es) before the event near the location of the event that they used to declare the entire event as violent. The authorities used one or both of these things to declare an illegal assembly under the law. Thus, technically, they did not break the law, they used a few technicalities to hyper-enforce the law.
If you take the government to court to enforce the law, you have to be prepared for the government to turn the law around and use it as a weapon against you. It is entirely predictable and has happened many times in the past.
Rallies and demonstrations are now just a reason to get your ass kicked. Our first amendment right is now officially toast. That is how it is. Imagine the killings if the right wing guys were NOT armed?!
they did not allow full access to the park blocking it off with barriers and State Police which stopped the rally goers from entering.
The rally was stopped b4vit began. Lack of access forced rally goers unable to enter to face a violent crowd
You are arguing the details, which is pointless. Nothing in the permit required them to have full and unfettered access to the entire park. The authorities can use the police power to limit access even when an assembly is permitted. Stopping the rally before it began may have been one of the technical tricks the cops used — they didn’t stop a “permitted rally” because that rally had not yet begun, the time of the “permitted rally” had not started. So they will argue that it was not a “permitted rally” because it was an assembly outside of the the permitted time. It’s a bullshit technicality and a shitty legal argument, but these are the kind of tricks that the authorities use all the time. Maybe they get a sympathetic judge who lets them get away with it, maybe the judge gives them a slap on the wrist. It doesn’t really matter, they still got the result they wanted.
NAZI flags were dumb but only an idiot cut off from the rest of the world the past year would not know they WERE DEFINITELY going to be assaulted by Antifa etc.
They were smart to prepare with shields and those shields prevented even more injuries on their side.
Some people are unwilling to hide from oppression. Glad our founding fathers were willing to face expected violence.
I am sure many hiding in the safety of their homes were quick to condemn them as well.
Milo may not be smart enough to orchestrate this, but he’s smart enough to hire top tier security to do it for him. Milo, Shapiro, Coulter and the like don’t step into the pit without military level security first. Spencer should be expunged on the grounds of idiocy alone.
Milo’s security could not protect him in this situation.
And yes, Milo makes sure he is safe, just not his fans.
Lured there ?
The reason for the location was to protest the removal of the statue.
Those men had the courage to show up.
Yes, by all means let’s condemn them for having the courage to demand their right to lawful assembly and free speech.
The level of security Milo et al employ consist of more than jacked up guys ready to take a punch for him. Proper security would have better planned the march, wouldn’t have allowed him into that situation if it proved uncontrollable, and would have had a bug out plan in case of. Not to mention lawyers.
It all reeks of amateur planning.
We can’t afford that now.
ok, fair enough, but my point is that their opponents, both in state government / city and on the ground were effectively able to position them where they wanted them. For all we now the removal of the statue was proposed precisely because there would be predictable protests. Brave doesn’t cut it, if your opponent is smarter than you, and by every possible measure they were outplayed. A lot of that is about resources and institutionalised control of state / city apparatus by the left, but there’s nothing there that couldn’t have been anticipated on the basis of past encounters. It was at least partially a trap, and nobody involved seems to have planned for that possibility in any way, not even to enforce discipline.
you read the stipulations of the permit ?
The whole ‘unite the right’ approach will need to be radically re-thought, because the implication of what that means – potentially or actually allying with the most extreme elements, and pro-nazis is to embrace a kind of cancer. The fact is they have lost legitimacy by being prepared to associate with people who are often aren’t that bright, and are often prone to violence – something which should surprise anyone given the historical forces they effectively adulate. The fact that sections of the alt-right is somewhat prepped for violence, even if that is defensive in nature, is even less of a surprise if you’ve read all those posts about how the only solution is to get onto the streets and fight them hand to hand or whatever. The antifas aren’t real combat troops, they’re agitators, there to get the thickos with short fuses riled up, so that they will do exactly what that guy with the car did, completely lose it, do something violent, and end up losing the right any kind of possible legitimacy.
No, admittedly I did not. I will edit my comment to reflect that I highly doubt that anything in the permit gave them full and unfettered access.
But again. this is just a detail. Even if the permit had specifically said the group was to have full and unfettered access to the park for the rally, there are still a hundred technicalities that the authorities can use to manipulate the situation. “Public safety” is a huge excuse they use a lot to do shit, even when what they do results in public danger. They just tell the judge that they did whatever in the name of public safety and most of the time they get away with it.
supposedly the organizers werr told the city would provide police escort
Also the exit plan was determined by the police forcing attendees through narrow exits only.
Either leave throigh those exits, or go to jail
As for the location
Milo picks hostile territory
The Berkley rallies
Still we have never seen authorities collude at near this level.
Gotta go
“Still we have never seen authorities collude at near this level.”
That is just utterly untrue.
We have seen top government officials in Berkeley and other places with ties to groups like By Any Means Necessary and BLM. We have seen the cops stand-down at just coincidentally the correct time to leave the right wing at the mercy of Antifa.
And that’s just recently. Go back to the 60s and 70s and you can see cops and the government doing this kind of shit all the time.
“supposedly the organizers werr told the city would provide police escort”
And that’s acceptable? The enemy’s guards will provide protection against the enemy. What could go wrong!
“Still we have never seen authorities collude at near this level.”
Even if this were true, what kind of dumb fuck would you have to be to not see it coming?
i guess that should have expected the national guard to drop bombs on them and prepared for thst just to cover their bases.
you are blocked
Maybe that’s where the problem lies. Nobody did.
Poorly organized and managed. The organizer of the event should have explicitly stated anybody projecting nazi paraphernalia will be immediately booted among several other preparations.
so, what would you have done ?
SPECIFICALLY, not general like more security , they had that. Not an exit plan, the police forved them through narrow exits. what ?
Hey that’s not an altogether bad idea.
true on the NAZI flags
Here is the thing, it really isn’t. This is still the same country which allowed the KKK to March unfettered by violence. The new public Alt Right, not only espouse the rhetoric of the KKK, but are anti American in aligning themselves with Nazism and Eugenics. Between that rhetoric and being against any minority in the country as well as coming armed, they did all they could to incite violence. It was all about making a statement that they are not to be trifled with and can exercise these beliefs if they need to. Not even the KKK exercised this right in their public rallies.
The mere fact that they thought that such a meeting was a good idea reflected a grave error of judgment. It’s not so much having a meeting there in the first place, but allowing nazis etc to attend, and be seen to attend i.e. wear their hitler shirts. Uniting a right that includes self-identifying nazis is to automatically lose the argument. Not only that, but these people were as undisciplined with it. I don’t know what went on with the guy who drove the car into the crowd, but I’m not buying the idea that that was simply self-defense. The right needs to de-thug because even if the left is worse, or more violent, it is the former that will always get blamed, and not always without cause.
Give me a break.
This is the incident that proves that white right wingers do not have first amendment rights. Not even berkeley 2.0 was this blatant.
Monday morning quarterbacking for the benefit of milo of all people is pathetic.
Perhaps they are not on the right…fair amount of National Socialists
well you’ve discovered that all things are not equal. The expectation that the authorities would treat them just the same as the leftists just reveals how un-attuned leaders like Spencer are to the reality on the ground. Besides, how is nazism consistent with constitutional rights anyhow, which is Roosh’s point, with regard to seeking redress through the ACLU. Either you’re for civil rights (for everybody) or you aren’t.
that’s a valid point. I would happily identify national socialists as true socialists, leftist, but without the internationalism you get with marxism, trotskyism etc. On the other hand though would any of those wearing hitler t-shirts have the sophistication to question whether they were on the left or the right? All they can really do, is take up positions available to them, all of which tend to be defined by those they oppose
Not everyone there was a nazi. This is a moronic talking point and it is why people like roosh and you will never be able to provide solutions.
not self defenve, panic or on purpose
Correct on NAZI bs, a few condemned the whole event.
We have to be real, the left can have commie flags and not be condemned, even by Trump.
The meeting was not a bad idea, we cannot run and hide
WRONG
if you read my posts far more happened involving authorities than a stand down order.
Far worse than Brrkley and yes you have to go back 50 years to compare
well obviously I don’t think everybody there is a nazi. I actually thought Spencer had a lot to say, and the alt right is of interest generally. But if you seek to create a platform that includes such elements, the reality is is you’re going to get tarred with the same brush. Everybody right of centre is potentially at risk of being labelled as an extremist for not believing that transgender bathrooms should be mandatory in nursery school or whatever. That’s how the system works. But actually admitting nazism into the blood stream, by knowingly associating with it, is just to walk straight over a cliff discourse wise. It was game over the moment that happened. The fact that Fields played his role so well, was just the icing on the cake for the leftists
It’s possible it was panic, but it’s hard to believe given what he did to his car (if you were trying to escape would you ram full speed into another car?). If it was on purpose (leaving aside Alex Jone’s false flag idea – which I would say is misdirection on Jone’s part) then you have to face the idea that this guy, who saw himself as part of the wider movement, was also a nazi, and believed that it would be a good idea – i.e., would advance the wider cause (whatever he believed that to be …race war or whatever) if he barrelled into (and killed?) a bunch of antifa protestors.
with friends like that etc..
I agree about the nazi imagery. There are bigger issues than that though. The fact that whites are simply not free to assemble in public anymore.
I’m not white but I agree that everyone should have that right
I agree with about 50% of what you are saying. The Alt Right is not the same as the KKK, their views are less extreme. MUCH less extreme. The police declared it illegal and then stranded the UTR guys.
Completely agree on some things. On the surface the Alt Right should be a return to conservative views. In public offline practice, it attracted enough degenerates to warrant separation. This rally only shows all the more why it was wise to separate before the views were perverted. It is one thing to suggest self preservation and owning your culture. It is another to bring other cultures into the discussion as to why your culture is being robbed. Several videos showed the rhetoric at the rally was clear; we won’t be replaced with Jews, asshole blacks are ruining America, White Lives Matter, to name a few. If any of this was phrased differently to address what is truly desired the results might have been different.
I think Taleeb Starkes should have been invited. He wrote The UnCivil War. Its about black on black crime from a black man who lives in the ghetto. Its about blacks cleaning up their act in this country. I think we should showcase blacks who happen to agree with us. Just because we are nationalist does NOT mean we are KKK. NOR Nazi. Those fucking idiots could mess up a bowl of cherries. Who knows, some of them might be working undercover for the FBI.
They have no legal authority to boot anyone.
Maybe. But they can write explicitly that any Nazi paraphernalia will not be permitted.
One side wears red, the other wears brown…one calls it the Fatherland..the other calls it the Motherland. They use the same tactics to terrorize political opponents.
hannah arendt demonstrated that as totalitarianisms both were in important ways equivalent to the other. The fact that this kindred nature is still so misunderstood is unfortunate
And yet they continue to conflate the Confederacy with the Third Reich..
Or tommy Sotomayor.
YEAH! If only there could be THAT kind of forum with guys like Milo, Tommy and Taleeb as well as Roosh and others it would be AWESOME!!!
According to the Skokie Supreme Court ruling a swastika is considered “free speech”.
Okay well that’s wonderful and all… but we’re about to go to war for Israel again, this time in Syria, and uhh, you can’t say you’re redpilled if you don’t understand the Jewish problem. The bottom line is nobody will ever be able to “pull it off” and openly speak negatively about Jews without being conflated as a “Nazi.”
there’s absolutely nothing extreme with any of the viewpoints of the event organizers or speakers. White people need to be encouraged to stick up for themselves and advocate for group interests just like everyone else does. Black lives matter shot 13 police officers, killing 5 of them. The fight for truth is going to be a long struggle, if you’re not down for it, I get it. But it’s not going to happen by being a Republican or Libertarian and never pushing the envelope.
you guys have this idea that bringing in “based black guys” will do anything to legitimize us. First of all, our ideology does not need “based black guys.” White people can represent themselves. Secondly, black people will just view any “based black guys” as Uncle Toms. It will do nothing productive.
I’m not white, but I believe all people and groups should have a right to stick up for themselves within reason – i.e. in peaceful constructive ways. I am not arguing that there was anything extremist about the event as a whole, but that it was misconceived because those who wished to do no more than “stick up for themselves” were visibly marching alongside those with arguably extreme views, including a fe who appear to have self-identified as nazis or hitler fans. That’s a bad idea. The black lives comparison is fair, but we’re not really talking about what is fair, but about perceptions, including how things come across in a media that is not entirely impartial as you would presumably agree
you are dead wrong in thinking it was unforeseen.
Terry McAuliffe was the Clintons dirty tricks guy during bill Clintons run and terms in office. he was also the chairman of the DNC for several years. It was HIS state police , not the Charlottesville PD or the county Sherriff dept. who pushed them into antifas waiting thugs. The removal of the statue was Bait to set the alt right up in a place favorable to this kind of thing happening. Look at the aerial of the park layout.
The violence was clearly and cleverly planned , by the liberals . When you look at the results , Who can say this isn’t exactly what antifa and the left wanted.
If you listen to the participant tales of the police action, it’s clear that they were In on the plan to do this .
Also, spencer couldn’t be more clearly an agent of the left, and led his followers into this trap. Who hasn’t noticed the pattern these riots take? From the san Diego trump rally, Berkley riots, Chicago protests, and now this. the people of the right need to Quit getting baited into these traps.
this is how this goes down.
These riots are all the same. A right wing person(or plant) plans an event in a heavily democratic area. Antifa make plans to show up in numbers and beat everyone who shows up. The police(under the democratic police chief) say ” we will maintain order” . the democratic governor, mayor and political leaders , democrats all, say words about keeping calm. a judge gives everyone the ok to go ahead.
The event arrives, and the police are there in huge numbers. the right wing people show up and police crowd control move them into a confined area. antifa , la Raza, and/or BLM thugs surround them.
The police then give a ” Disperse ” order and start moving the right wing people out into the streets to be attacked by the left wing thugs. Men, women and girls are beaten.
The huge line of police look on from a few feet away in detached amusement. They have a ” do not break rank” order. That order is used when using tactics that require coordinated action . to prevent them from becoming separated and disorganized. In this case it’s to prevent officers from following their conscience and intervening individually to stop the violence by the thugs that the democratic politicians want.
The press then leads with ” right wing Violence at rally” Right wingers are hunted down and prosecuted for any and all acts of self defense.
when are these people going to learn that you cannot meet in an area where the police are controlled by democrats? 80% Hillary vote there and you think that’s the place to have a rally?
BULLSHIT.
This was a FALSE FLAG OPERATION, not an operation of the alt right. When the leader of the alt right group is a Jewish supporter of a black President, then we know that this wasn’t a “Nazi” event at all. It was CONTROLLED OPPOSITION.
And these events occurred on Soros’s birthday; successfully depicting the alt right as “homicidal Nazis” was a sweet little birthday gift…..to himself.
They couldn’t? It’s a well known fact that Democracy and Republicanism in general is a fargin joke.
Yup. And the police/military killed it!
Spencer is a cocky idiot. He got punched twice because he has no situational awareness. Why would he have a clue what might happen here
The rally security was prepared. We exited quickly…. It could have been a lot worse than it was.
Here is vid that could put some counter protesters in jail for assault with a deadly weapon
https://out.reddit.com/t3_6togcn?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstreamable.com%2Fsvxcr&token=AQAABl6SWcXAC8tM_FaUkBLbHva5tU3JKaw9tU_nEoFwQFkAFOAW&app_name=mweb2x
Jeff Sessions may be good
yeah, and all these people cucking really don’t have a better alternative. Hindsight is 20/20.
“They should have seen it coming”
Okay, well I suppose we’re just supposed to stick to shitposting on the internet if we expect to see the change in the world that we want??
Morons actually believed the pig cops were on their side. Lol. Hell no.
If I am to believe it was a set-up, I’d have to believe Kessler was willing to sacrifice his freedom and possibly his life, and the lives (well, one life as it turns out) of his ideological compatriots.
I don’t know enough about it to come to any conclusions right now.
One way to know for sure would be if he admitted such. This would be possible as soon as the short term objective (discrediting and damaging the right-aligned movements) is reached.
Malheur Wildlife refuge has a number of informants involved…at least one of whom was present at the shooting of Lavoy Finicum (as I recall). Doesn’t seem too far out of the realm of possibility.
It is hard to believe he would agree beforehand to “sacrifice his freedom and possibly his life” but it is not hard to believe that he was given promises by the authorities that he would be protected.
The more I think about this the less I believe there was some understanding of protection from the authorities. They would have recruited someone with not so much of a compromised history, and especially a history that was so easily uncovered through simple Google searches.
Man, I’m trying hard not to put on the tinfoil hat, I really am. This whole thing felt really fishy to me from the beginning, and seeing little things like this just make it all the more suspicious.
If the issues are worth exploring, then they’re worth exploring carefully. I’m not outright discounting any particular analyses right now more than I am resisting jumping to conclusions.
Very true, well said.
But sheeple are dumb and will always believe big lies
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They get arrogant with bread crumbs
Assuming it’s all true, it means that they needed a “true believer” in the enemy ranks. Someone with enough right-think to remain “pure” in the heart of enemy territory while guiding them towards destruction.
It was supposed to be a massive coming out party for the Alt-Right. They intended to show they could bring people out in the real world and develop the infrastructure for a viable real-world political movement.
Does it make sense why the VA Gov. and MSM blew out all the stops to frame them and violate their constitutional Rights, yet? 😣
I’m thinking there could be elements of a setup. Things couldn’t have gone any better for the left. (Obviously not for the individuals run over, but hey, the ends justifies the means to the left.)
Who the fuck marches with a Nazi flag, or dresses up as a cosplay Nazi? These assholes need to be ostracised.
In the 70’s, in Skokie, the predominantly Jewish suburb of Chicago, there was a Neo-Nazi march. Later it turned out the leader Frank Collins had a Jewish father. (Since Jewishness is matrilinear, according to their rules he would not be considered Jewish himself.) So was it Daddy issues or a setup? This guy later changed his name to Frank Joseph and became a New Age writer.
I think the fact that it was such a catastrophe for the Alt Right is part of why its so suspicious to me. Each step of the way, it went from cringefest, to ambush, to worst-case scenario, all in a neat little line.
the left did go away after the Berkeley Uni ‘brawl’ and do some serious thinking on how to best stop the right from gaining even more support, they achieved this with a brilliant new slogan that went round the globe courtesy of the fake MSM, the word in question… “white supremacist”
Don’t get too excited now
Indeed, how did the neo-Nazis get word* of this conservative rally, and how did the BLM for that matter?
*It really gets on my nerves how often Nazis try to nose in on the rallies of me and my fellow conservatives. They are NOT welcome.
I’m hearing that many of the “neo-Nazis” were bussed in at the same time as BLM.
Also a child molester incidentally.
No one was run over – just pics
Well I’ve seen videos. See postings to this article by nashusa.
However it’s quite plausible that the driver panicked after his car was hit by a counter-protestor. Then he rear-ends the other car, whereupon he is swarmed by counter-protesters, and recklessly but understandably gets out of there in fear of his life.
Dude, it’s just TV – no one gets injured in these things
Adolf himself was a descendent of Jewish woman raped during the crusades.
While many of here started off with leftist beliefs, working for CNN and participating in Occupied suggests he was in deep.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-14/report-%E2%80%98unite-right%E2%80%99-organizer-jason-kessler-was-occupy-movement-obama-supporter-8-m
Very true, that’s a pretty sharp turn. The link to the Ukrainian thing is interesting too.
Plus, I’ve also seen some reports that one of the guys that happened to catch footage of the car crash, this Brennan Gilmore guy, was a former State Department employee and political insider with the Virginia Democrat party. Perhaps it was just a coincidence that he happened to be right there and filming, and he was one of the first people interviewed on the scene.
That’s a lot of coincidences…
For there to be coincidences
Don’t tell Alex Jones!
Capital71b
I never heard of Kessler before this event. Who the heck is he and how did he get to be in charge of an event like this?
(((Kessler))) hmmmm the happy-merchant meter is bleeping furiously , just another COHENCIDENCE
I said that before his past came out. I don’t trust (((anybody))) with that name.
Kessler is a Jewish man who supported a black candidate named Barack Obama. He was an activist in the Occupy Movement, and worked for CNN as an assignment editor. He’s also “pro-gun control”.
He doesn’t sound like much of a “white supremacist Nazi”, dies he?
Kessler
is a Jewish man who supported a black candidate named Barack Obama. He
was an activist in the Occupy Movement, and worked for CNN as an
assignment editor. He’s also “pro-gun control”.
He doesn’t sound like much of a “white supremacist Nazi”, does he?
Do you actually have proof of his spiritual beliefs and heritage, or are you just throwing that little adjective in there to further weaken our masculine bond?
Kessler sound more German than Hebrew, and Germany is infested with Muslims and their cuck allies.
“Kessler” is an Ashkenazi Jew surname. From Google:
“Kessler or Keßler is a surname of German, Dutch, and Jewish (Ashkenazi) origins. It is an occupational name that means coppersmith.”
Even Google acknowledges that. I guess Goggle forgot to edit that information, before the staged Charlottesville false flag events.
Good read, excellent vid analysis of crash.
Best question
If his goal was to kill people, why not run over the crowd which was on the side of the road instead of running into the back of a car ?
His lawyer should recieve this
I heard reports that the police said he panic! I believe this was the case cause if he wanted to kill Leftists, he would have went on the side walk, not on the road where no Leftists where standing!
“As the hearing adjourned and the reporters poured on to the street outside, Matthew Heimbach, the Indiana leader of the white nationalist group the Traditional Workers Party, held an impromptu press conference. He screamed at onlookers, accused the press of being “liars” and argued that Fields had been “scared for his life” before the attack. ”
” The nationalist community defended ourselves against thugs,” he said, arguing that “radical leftists” were “the ones who came to kill us. ”
https://www.google.co.id/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/14/james-fields-charlottesville-driver-murder-charge
Americans make bad cars, they do not turn on airbags. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9c22597260eee78f9a74c40968ef6068e12ffcb5afeffaea562b6d90a45313b2.png
From the NHTSA:
“Frontal air bags are generally designed to deploy in “moderate to severe” frontal or near-frontal crashes, which are defined as crashes that are equivalent to hitting a solid, fixed barrier at 8 to 14 mph or higher. (This would be equivalent to striking a parked car of similar size at about 16 to 28 mph or higher.)”
Airbags are dangerous and are set to only deploy in crashes which are hard enough that the impact risks doing more damage than being punched in the face by an explosively-detonating bag.
Between crumple zones, a front bumper that’s designed to absorb a full 10MPH of the impact, and the car in front absorbing some of the blow he simply wasn’t going fast enough to deploy an airbag. Meaning his “deliberate pre-planned white Nazi terrorist attack…” was done at speeds under 30MPH. (Oh, and he hit the brakes. Because terrorists are known to do that.)
Well, at least the car has brakes. The happenings in america are fabulous, the reality is like bad television.
“….many of us here started off with leftist beliefs”
Its true – many of us mistook their message as individualism or independence. They cleverly market it that way.
I met Spencer when I was in college, pretty nice guy in real life, actually.
The fact that I don’t know who Kessler was (I’ve never heard of him prior to this), is not a good sign.
Spencer et al went along with him though…so they must have done some vetting.
I think the ‘Occupy’ Kessler is a different guy
any sources for that. If that is true, and it can be demonstrated, then the world might find itself with a window on the left’s tactics
I honestly didn’t think they could do that. I mean, it makes sense from a tactical standpoint, but I figured the SJW-types were too egotistic and shallow to play any kind of espionage game.
but they are the ‘useful idiots’ – the sheep that are herded in first one direction and then another. There are also the people and forces that do the herding, and who are always so to speak playing chess, on both sides of the board so to speak
I’ve noticed that at the higher levels. Folks like Ted Cruz always seem to boldly stand up for causes they know will not succeed and cower when a potential victory looms.
Look to the Tea Party candidates. Speaker Ryan is almost indistinguishable from Speaker Pelosi in character and action.
that’s a very good point. Cruz is completely establishment. Conservative in the main, but somehow without teeth. Where there is any kind of genuine achilles heel the establishment do seem inclined to get there first, be proactive so as to lead and thereby defuse an anticipated attack (this could be seen as a proleptic defense). Charlottesville was very obviously at least in part a set up, so what to make of Alex Jone’s claim that it was a False Flag. Personally I’m satisfied that Jones is at least partially controlled opposition. Jones announcing Charlottesville is a False Flag is a pretty effective way of misdirecting people away from the fact that it was at least partially a set up (or a trap). Claiming the (genuine) death of a real person (the paralegal Heather Heyer) was fake is however a rapid way to discredit actual evidence that the authorities were involved in a real set up (state of emergency, kettling the attendees into certain areas where they were vulnerable, getting police to stand down etc
It is simply the standard in America. The house always wins. Politicians know this so they will always align themselves with the house.
Is there a link to these reports?
Yes, check the internet.
It’s an odd time to switch allegiances.
During the first Antifa riots I hoped people on the left would open their eyes and would condemn what was going on, but few did. It was also kind of obvious that the whole weight of mainstream media was against President-elect Trump. So there was enough going on to red-pill open-minded people and move them away from the left. But it’s crazy to hear that he then establishes a ‘white supremacist’ group (at least according to ZeroHedge).
Occupy Wall Street originally happened during a period of absolutely outrageous tax payer handouts to large firms and the effective suspension of the rule of law. It was at the time jaw dropping that short-selling certain firms was banned and normal GAAP accounting rules were suspended to mask the bankruptcy of a small number of powerful firms.
I find it highly believable that a principled man might have swallow differences and gotten involved with OWS in the belief that restoring the rule of law was an important over-arching goal.
I have no opinion or knowledge of Mr. Kessler one way or the other, nor do I know much about OWS as an organization. I only mean to say that I do not automatically assume a man with some ties to that organization was misguided or malicious, because I know that for a long period of time nobody else was publicly protesting the outrageous cronyism of that era.
Good points. Personally, I have not seen many reasonable or principled people who were involved in the Occupy movement, but I may be wrong.
Now they, and the government, are destroying historical monuments all over the country. It sickens me, being at one point a history major in college and a history buff. They’re as bad as the Taliban blowing up those statues in Afghanistan with a howitzer.
I think most of the alt-right wish it was a set up rather than it actually was.
I listened to an interview with Jason Kessler in which he explained his previous support of Obama and Occupy. He also asserted that he was not a white supremacist, and that Unite the Right was not intended to be a white supremacist movement. He said he invited white nationalists, but said he was against the display of Nazi imagery, etc.
I’m not sure I believe all of that. I think the Tiki torch parade and “blood and soil” chants were pretty obviously planned Nazi propaganda.
But I am more willing to at least consider that he is sincere, and he just got in over his head. I’m less suspicious that he was a plant. Not fully convinced yet, but I’m more willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
Nevertheless, I still think there is more to the Charlottesville matter than we have seen so far.
Surprise surprise, the “witness” to the car crash is an actual CIA agent
http://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/137348805/cville-witness-brennan-gilmore-is-a-cia-operative
Consider also the name-((( ))). Enough said.
Very likely. I see multiple players here, not simply 2 sides. It would not surprise me at all if the same people funded elements of both sides to set up this disaster. After all, look at who the MSM blamed and targeted for days afterwards — Trump.
That Kessler fella is a clown. Also Richard Spencer grew up in a wealthy family and attended three elite universities. You think the Leftist ideas did not infiltrate his thoughts? I think both are agent provacateurs.
To quote Rooshv, “take over what you can, and tell people what to do”. It’s simple and yet very practical advice. You get to run your castle or your compound however you damn well please. Find a good woman who will follow you and make babies with her. And then teach your male offspring how to follow in your footsteps. It’s slower than taking over or changing entire cultures, but instantly works for you and yours in your personal life.
We are several decades and millions of turd world immgents removed from that being the solution.
Why do you say that? Use your power of intellect to create your own slice of paradise somewhere. That’s what I’ve done. Granted.. It’s hard and you may need to do it abroad. But what’s the alternative? Fight that group of degenerates? And then what if you even win? You’ve still got tens of millions of useless people ready to riot or worse, vote in the next generation of leftists to do their bidding.
At some point you’ve got to think about what is practical and achievable. If you don’t find a way to reproduce and create the men of the future, then it’s all lost.. For sure.
When Trump got in there was demonstrations in most major cities all over the US. As usual the Left did what they do best, violence and property destruction, showing them up for the authoritarians they are, thus alienating most normal people. It’s a case of things are going to get alot worse before they get better, if at all.
Yea. It sucked. I can’t really blame the organizers for the actions of the police (namely their aggressive actions to disrupt the rally, which was unprecedented) which was the crucial turning point. But plenty of other things are worth criticizing. And I question the point of these rallies to begin with.
Generation Identity does flash mobs. Much better. Fewer people, more vetted, less response from police to shut it down.
I think Roosh is saying that, if you are organizing an event like this in a massively liberal town in a state with Terry McAsshole as governor, you have to at least prepare to get fucked by the authorities.
At the very least, you have to be prepared for a stand-down order by the cops… we’ve seen the cops pull that before at Berkeley, etc.
I definitely agree with that now. I am mostly saying the tear gas etc was no doubt surprising
Regardless of the outcome, the authorities definitely had the “fuck them somehow” order from the very top in that state.
>>> “I can’t really blame the organizers for the actions of the police
(namely their aggressive actions to disrupt the rally, which was
unprecedented) which was the crucial turning point.”
Not aggressive actions… the plan, goal, tactic and strategy executed for a designed end and purpose.
Am I the only one truly realizing this now? See my comments just above.
sobering article
Sobering… because it has awakened the entire nation to the realization… civil war is now on.
The release of DUNKIRK was no accident and I think Nolan has nationalist leanings. You could not help but sit in that theater and know, just KNOW, that this is what is coming and where we are going to have to go if we want to take our nations back from the globalists.
Remember… he ended the film with Churchill’s stirring words… “We will fight…”
We don’t want to fight. None of the boys that went over to Europe did then. None of the boys of the same mind and hearts want to fight now. But then, as now, suddenly a dawning is realized that this is a fight we can no longer avoid, and it is best to start planning for it.
This… is Roosh’s message to the right and I think he may be finding his true calling and purpose with this article.
Sounds like a bit of paranoia, I considered your theory about the whole thing being set up because a Dodge Challenger with 350 hp went in and went out perfectly straight which is a valid point, however I am curious; perhaps the reason it appeared so perfectly was because of TCM and all the other computerized shit they put in cars these days and a hot civil war will not happen as soon as you think and when it does it will be swift because liberal anti-fags do not like guns and plus they would not last long in a fight as the battle of Berkeley allegedly proved.
The left thrives on this shit, it’s a dream come true for them.
Expect yearly memorials and the family of the dead antifa to be paraded nation wide for at least the next six years.
Yes. Great point.
“America. 2017.”
“I can’t believe this is America….”
Invited by Dem to candidate debates. Front row seats.
They love martyrdom. They thrive on dead people and victims, it powers them.
To them, being a victim is synonymous with righteousness, like victors are oppressors. That’s why when they ironicly call themselves “progressives” we must adamantly instead refer to them as “regressives.” They believe agression is an evil.
The guys with the Nazi flags and who dress up as cosplay Nazis should be ostracized in these rallies.
Yea, Spencer and others have said no more of those at the public events.
Good, smart move. Just refuse to march with them.
(I deleted this comment myself; in essence, I double posted by mistake.)
I agree on most points…I knew Cville would be a shitstorm (w/deaths included)
I see it very difficult that future events will be granted permits.
Expect shitloads of antifa/niggros to be there too.
Where do we go from here?
More emphasis on building the movement online…let things cool down
Re Spencer: He is naive and a little too ‘nice’
He needs massive red-pilling regarding conspiracies btw
I gather he still believes the 9/11 bs.
No.
Just organizing online would be a defeat.
This has to be done for real, with order and discipline. Letting the left show the garbage they are.
At some point we will take to the streets again
The movement is too small now to do it.
I expect at the next event that the antifa pricks will outnumber us by orders of magnitude.
The police will stand down as usual…some of our own might be packing heat.
I leave the rest to your imagination.
Another interesting storyline is the main footage the MSM used is from a former state dept employee brennan gilmore who was a part of that whole KONY 2012 psyop
https://archive.is/x1SAc/d37a8b5d863ec4a79ee1e08aa2d2832b1fb35a9c.jpg
I’ve seen the links to his State Department employment in Africa, as well as his work for the Virginia Democrat party that looks fairly high level. Haven’t seen anything but rumors about the Kony thing, though.
he was also ready for a canned response with cnn right after it happened
This is a very old discussion that we on the Right have had for at least the past 30 years. Remember that we are fighting a meme war – maybe better to say a marketing war. It’s really all about branding and trademarks. Trademarks are valuable because companies invest money, time and advertising in them. You know what a “Snickers” bar is because of millions of dollars in advertising were invested in promoting it as chocolatey goodness over decades and decades. In the same way, the system has spent the past 75+ years investing heavily in the Swastika as a symbol of all that is bad and evil in the world. The market recognition of the Swastika is enormous. And it’s powerful. The Swastika immediately elicits the most negative reaction imaginable in our audience. At this point in our history using the Swastika to market our ideas is nothing short of suicidal. You’d be like a little rowboat up against the USS Iowa. We have to pick our fights carefully. Don’t pick a fight we’re sure to lose like marketing our positive message with the Swastika. It’s nuts. And besides, the Nazis were a bunch of murderous, statist swine so there’s that. We need to focus on what works for us, and that’s things like Kek. It works because the lads at 4Chan invented it, the enemy hasn’t caught up to it yet, and it still flies under the radar. Be smart. Drop the Swastika. Lose all losers like this Field idiot. They’ll cost us everything if this keeps up.
Excellent point on the branding. The Alt Right was a strong, rising brand during the primaries, especially as it overlapped with the Trump campaign. It was a big tent with lots of people under it, even some classical liberals. The media tried to shit on it and label it white supremacist, but it was still an edgy, popular brand and that shit didn’t stick to it.
When the “Roman salute” bullshit happened with Richard Spencer, the Alt Right brand took a hit. The media started playing that up, using Spencer and propping him up in order to tarnish the brand more with his white nationalist shit. That turned a lot of people off of it, and you began to see a lot of the more popular people on the right begin to distance themselves from the Alt Right because they saw what was happening.
The more the white nationalists and white supremacists were propped up as or allowed to take the reins of the Alt Right, the more the brand declined. Now its practically synonymous with white supremacy and no one wants to be anywhere near it.
Spencer was speaking German at a meeting in DC last November. Man he is living in a fantasy world. I
am sure he realizes modern Germany is SJW land.
I really think he’s some agent provacateur.
He might. I do not know him from a can of paint…but who benefits from this clusterfuck?
There’s a reason they chose Spencer as the face of the Alt-Right. He’s got an overinflated ego, he’s absolutely terrible at branding and banter, and he’s dumb enough to talk to the media. He is, essentially, what the SJWs would look like were we in power.
When they called us Nazis, most of us laughed. Spencer decided that the Swastika and “Heil” stuff could be redeemed – America’s still obsessed with WWII, that’s not happening.
Well said. I was thinking their use of the swastika demonstrated a lack of discretion and judgment. But now I think it’s completely fucking retarded. And purely self-destructive.
Don’t call them Nazis. Call them “not see’s”
The Alt-right needs to re-brand itself and align the group with other well-respected organizations.
And as for flag flying, whatever happened to using the Gadsen flag so people identify you as a patriot and not a nut job carrying around something related to Hitler?
Imagine the irony of getting run-over with that flag in your hand.
Well at least we’ve got Pepe which is a better symbol, and have partially adopted the Identitär circle with an upside down V in it. Branding and logos..
These idiots who support Trump who happen to be white nationalists, they don’t realize his White House is full of neoliberals?
This is so spot on, the white nationalists that think Trump let them go are idiots. Trump is not one of them.
Nazi flags, KKK uniforms, and a torchlight rally right out of the Leni Riefenstahl image book. It was a gift for the Left. Spencer is a dilettante playing at social consciousness. The photos from this rally will fuel Leftist narratives well into the next presidential election.
What a humiliating disgrace for those of us that actually want the republic back. Everything liberating and wonderful from the battle of Berkley is undone by this disgrace.
Well said. Part of the reason this all seems so suspicious to me is that this whole thing went so wrong for the Alt Right, it almost seems like it was planned by the left.
There is no conspiracy, here. Only a stunning failure by the alt-right brought about by unbelievable hubris, terrible ideas, loathsome optics, and complete underestimation of their opposition.
I guarantee you the altright has better ideas than you, this wasnt actually organized by the altright but by kessler who is separate
Thales has a good point though “whole thing went so wrong for the Alt Right, it almost seems it was planned”
its almost escalation turned up to 100%,
Berkeley Uni, the left gets a beating by Alt Righters (the Alt Right shows its strength to the powers that be) moldy locks
would have been a hero for the left if she had sucker punched an ‘evil white nazi male’ Alt Righter, instead she got planted. if you remember back to this event alot of the guys who attended said the police just stood around watching the whole thing unfold from the sidelines, and from a safe distance. also no Nazi nonsense at the event.
Chalottesville the left shows the power which it wields, antifa, black crimes matter and the police with the Nat Guard standing by. KKK were in attendance as were those dam Illinois Nazis (Blues Brothers ref, sorry couldnt help it)
police shut the event down, then WHAM evil white man kills a woman by ramming ‘innocents’ with a car.
so who has the next move? and how extreme with the move be?
There was no “united” right there, like at Berkley. Just the bullies and assholes of the Tiki Torch Mafia, arrogantly (and wrongly) assuming that *they* speak and act on behalf of all Americans opposed to the policies of the status quo. They don’t.
But there was a *united left,* as you said. Antifa, BLM, unionized cops, elected Democrats, the whole shebang. Every one of those groups had the chance to flex its muscles, totally free of consequences– with the exception of the woman who died. Now they are galvanized, organized, and have the ultimate strawman in the Nazi larp-ers. This was a huge gift to the Left.
you seem like a pretty knowledgeable guy, what do you think was the takeaway message from this?
do you think another “gun grab” event is coming?
EDIT: the KKK & Nazi 4th Reich guys have been full of hot air for years, no one takes them seriously do they?
My thought is won’t spur a policy like a “gun grab.” Instead, it’ll become a chisel that any element of the left (media, elected Dems, antifa, academia) can use to fracture the Trump voting base, take his initiative, and shame his voters out of the conversation. This puts Trump on a perpetual defensive, and damages his credibility, because the chorus of a united left will be saying, “Nazi,” as the conversation-stopper to everything he tries to do.
thanks for the reply C.O.P, what im meaning by ‘gun grab’ is like a Sandy Hook style event, or maybe a domestic terrorist bomb threat/scare/false flag – conveniently featuring a Alt Righter/Nazi sympathizer/KKK wannabe etc?
enough to make the left foam at the mouth and DEMAND Trump do a ‘gun grab’.
and i do like your takeaway from the Charlottesville situation.
enemies of the west must be putting down their AK47s and picking up a 6 pack and popcorn just enjoying the show.
Spencer is an agent provacateur. He is a mirror image of leftist SJWs.
Yes, all those photos. They’re going to be used big time on the guilty white liberals for all upcoming elections.
Not to mention providing the artwork for the SPLC’s next direct mail campaign. They will have the figurative effect of picking the market audience up by the ankles and shaking them until their pockets are empty.
We’ll see them in campaign spots at every level– local, state, federal.
That’s because the Battle Of Berkley was real Americans and true patriots coming together for the first time. This disaster… I don’t think I am alone… was fucking planned and executed and I believe Spencer et all were in on it, at the very min Harvey Oswalds, all of them.
Something is just too fishy. A challenger that RAMS and collapses the front end, but no airbag goes off, leaving the driver free to pull off a stunt man level professional full speed reverse IN A STRAIGHT LINE, in a car with over 350HP, taking out more people behind with ZERO “Oh my God did I just hit someone!!” reaction in the steering wheel for over a block. (Not to mention the straight line hit to with no steering reaction as well.)
This was a setup and here is how it broke down. They (yes they) know the players. Spencer, if he is not a patsy, is a useful pawn and so are the idiots that follow him. How hard is it to issue a protest permission slip, then “take it away” and have the police force the two violent idiots into the same space and “watch what happens” as the police stand down, as ordered.
Then… just to give the news cycle the story (((they))) require because you can’t FORCE people to be violent to one another (normal humans avoiding it, even the loud mouths)… you send in an agent to drive over a few people, killing one, and then find another patsy, the real Harvey Oswald of this story, to give the growing mass opposition to your enslavement of all humanity a big, black tar and feathering.
Did I miss anything?
This is why this article by Roosh will be a seminal one. It is going to be widely read and TRUE PATRIOTS are going to be doing (and already are I suspect) the underground organization.
When the shit hits the fan… I think the world is going to see the SHORTEST civil war in history. Charlottesville… was organized by complete idiots… and taken advantage of by only slightly more intelligent idiots.
(((They))) are going to get the breakdown of America that they want. The order out of chaos they worship. But the ORDER that is coming will be so swift, so fast, so strong… there will be no chance for them to direct it.
Sun Tzu’s 1st chapter, estimations in war, on your chances too win is to ask… “Which ruler has The Tao?” Which is to say, which ruler has the government and country the people are loyal to and will support him in its defense. The globalists… do not have the Tao. The Tao lies with Trump and the idea that is MAGA… and ideas are bulletproof.
It won’t matter how many guns, how many bullets, how many robots or how many nukes they set off… this shit is coming to an end, and it WON’T be the glorious new world order they have been masturbating to and blood sacrificing toward for centuries.
I have to agree with Roosh. The first death has lit the fuse. Civil war in America is now only months away, not years. Plan accordingly.
That’s because Berkeley was really alt-lite and was about the issues of third-wave feminism and general SJW culture. Thus violent protests and riots against it could be denounced by sane individuals. There are important discussions to be had on meritocracy, gender issues, and progressive vs liberal ideals and violent opposition to these discussions is counterproductive.
However… Charlottesville was about white nationalists and the true alt-right. Seemed like a bunch of NEETs (or in college at best) larping with their shields as if they were viking warriors and walking at night with torches as if they were going to form a giant swastika. They may have intended to be non-violent but a single thrown pebble by a counter-protester would have set them off. Watching footage of the torch night march, these guys were just waiting for the chance to “defend themselves” and go on the offensive. There was a girl marching with them casually using the n-word and others were proudly using the roman salute.
It seems to me the alt-right is finished. Good riddance too because they were just delusional, their goals were unrealistic, and what they strove for was just morally repugnant. Hopefully they won’t infect ROK anymore either.
The alt right hasn’t even started yet, and I’m noticing that your posts are private. I strongly suspect that you are a leftist globalist shill sent in for the express purpose of spreading doubt.
Charlottesville was controlled opposition on both sides, with leftists and globalists deliberately attempting to subvert a movement.
How many of those Nazi LARPERS were Antifa, or Israeli agents, or government agents, or just free agents working for Soros?
We’ll never know.
I know this though. The leader of this alt right “white supremacist Nazi” movement was a Jewish man who supported a black President, and the “witness” to the car crash, Brennan Gilmore, is a CIA operative. And that isn’t even the beginning of all the strange details of this clusterfuck. This was a false flag operation, from beginning to end.
I’m inclined to think that is was not a “gift” for the left, but something of their own creation. I mean, this whole thing was the brainchild of two or three retards, at least some of whom, as Thales points about above, appear to actually be leftists.
I have read up on the a lot over the past couple of days and seen the views from all sides. What I am left with is a feeling that these guys are enemy saboteurs who managed to convince a bunch of dupes to walk into an ambush.
That looks bad in the short term, but is a tactical mistake that is easily correctable – don’t associate with people peddling in the obvious hate labels the left wants to ascribe to the right. White Nationalist rally using nazi-themed imagery? No thanks, I’ll sit this out. Free speech rally, come dressed in the American flag? Cool, I’m there. It’s pretty simple really, don’t step into obvious traps.
And while I agree this is a setback, I wouldn’t despair much. All it would take to reverse course is to hold a dozen simultaneous Free Speech meetings in cites all across the country next month. Overwhelm these asshats with the proper messaging and show that the vast majority on the right are not nazi cosplayers. To that end, and to a point made above, rigidly enforce a no nazi regalia policy – if you show up toting some nazi styled bullshit, you will be asked to leave and will not be associated with.
The governor and mayor definitely took advantage of the situation. But really, how could they resist?
I thought it was pretty bad, too. Here’s my own take – sorry it’s so long, but I have a lot to say about it.
First, a disclaimer: I sympathize broadly with Unite The Right’s stated goals, including preserving the statue of General Lee and keeping whites from becoming a minority in our own country. I also know, like, and admire some of the people involved in CTR, namely Chris Cantwell and Pax Dickinson. That said, what happened yesterday was an absolute unmitigated nuclear disaster. The planning was amateurish, the messaging was unfocused, the optics were horrendous, the expectations were naive, and the outcome was all too predictable. To keep this short, I’ll use bullet points.
• This had the fingerprints of its planners all over it, and that’s not a good thing. Richard Spencer is a four-star Dunning-Kruger case whose unshakably bourgeois mentality makes him think he’s going to be the guy who makes White Nationalism socially respectable among the cultural elite. Instead, he consistently underestimates his opposition and ends up looking like a goofbag over and over again, which is made worse by the fact that he never learns a damn thing from any of his many, many mistakes. This also had the fingerprints of TRS all over it (with the unfortunate Mike Enoch as its in-person ambassador). TRS’s schtick is simply to be as childishly edgy as possible, in the belief that the day can be won by indulging in the adolescent compulsion to shock. This leads us to our next point…
• The messaging. Who exactly was this rally for anyway? Was the purpose of it to bolster the spirits of hardcore white nationalists? To reach on-the-fence but mildly sympathetic normies? To scare the left? I don’t think a lick of thought was put into this incredibly crucial question. If you don’t know who you’re trying to reach or what you’re trying to say to them, your messaging will be awkward and tone-deaf, and will never have its desired effect. Here’s the bottom line: Normies were turned off by this; the left is jubilant, believing it won a great victory; and if this was all just intended to preach to the hardcore WN choir, it may have done that, but it makes the whole thing nothing but a big circle jerk.
• It should also be said that in the day since the rally, the messaging coming from UTR has become even more confused; a jumble of them crying that they were the innocent victims and crowing about how much ass they kicked. This disjointed and contradictory message demonstrates again how little the people who put the rally together thought it through, how little they expected what happened to occur, and how uncoordinated they’ve been about it from beginning to end.
• Speaking of Spencer never learning from his mistakes, you’d think the “Hail victory” debacle at the NPI conference would have taught him something, but it appears not. Again, we had “Hail victory” shouts, Nazi salutes (and don’t try to bullshit me by telling me it was a “Roman salute” – nobody in WN circles is throwing that sign around because they’re huge fans of Septimus Severus), and swastika flags in the crowd. It doesn’t matter that there may only have been a few of them – anyone with more street smarts than a four-year-old girl knows that the media will crowd around the few people throwing Heil Hitler salutes and waving their swastikas, because those are the people who are showing them what they want to see. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: “no enemies to the right” does not mean “no quality control on the right”. There should be a hard-and-fast rule against any Nazi shit at rallies like these, or anything else that gives the media the damaging optics they want, with internal security enforcing it ruthlessly. Oh, and whoever invited David-motherfucking-Duke needs a boot to the head too.
• UTR’s naivete leading up to the Hoban Washburne-esque “Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!” moment on the part of the Charlottesville city government and police was almost touching, in a way. CTR was led by upper-middle-class bourgeois white fellas who deep down still want to trust that the police will be honorable, that civic governments will keep their word, that lawful judgments of courts will be respected, and that having the law on their side means something. Welp, guess not. Here’s a dose of reality: Charlottesville is a college town, and in college towns (where the campus is the main, or sometimes the only real economic driver there), the city authorities give the campus basically anything they want. UVA didn’t want Unite the Right, so the cops made sure things went badly for them. That was always what was going to happen. Oh, and running to the fucking ACLU for help was jaw-droppingly stupid. Having to plead with your enemies to come to your rescue you only makes you look weak and spineless. It gave the ACLU more rhetorical ammunition to make themselves look even-handed (“See, we even came to the defense of Unite the Right!”), and in the end it didn’t gain UTR a damn thing. UTR should never have trusted any of these assholes – not UVA, not the Charlottesville city government, not the cops, not the courts, not the ACLU – none of them. And UTR should have been ready for precisely what happened to happen. Which brings us to…
• I know the helicopter accident wasn’t UTR’s fault, and I know the car crash wasn’t UTR’s fault (not that that’s going to matter – all that normies will come away with is the idea that three people died because UTR decided to march through Charlottesville). But it’s obvious that UTR ended up MASSIVELY underestimating both the type and amount of opposition it was going to receive. And I’m not just talking about antifa brawlers: I’m talking about opposition from the government, from the media, from mainstream conservatives – from every conceivable corner. There was an overconfidence here that led to a catastrophic lack of planning; to no one bringing up enough “What if’s”. There was no contingency plan for what happened, even though it was a possibility that anyone with a modicum of foresight and imagination should have seen coming and planned for.
• Even if UTR was completely the innocent victim here, it doesn’t matter a bit. As Moldbug pointed out, being the brave underdog who was beset upon by the mean ‘ol government/police/vigilantes/institutions/whoever only works if the elites have already decided to favor you with their support. It won’t work for UTR, which lost in basically every possible way. The media now has its “See?! Whites start race riots too!” narrative. The left can claim it drove the Nazis out of Charlottesville (oh, and that Robert E. Lee statue is toast now – I wouldn’t give it another month). Normies, who don’t like disruption, are scared and turned off. As for Trump, he has more to gain by crushing UTR than by siding with it – he can build up his “anti-racist” bona fides, which he can then turn into political capital that will help him in building the Wall and enforcing immigration law, not to mention in getting reelected (“Hey, I proved that I’m not a racist by standing up to violent white supremacists!”). This is why Trump’s FBI just announced that it’s investigating what happened in Charlottesville. Spencer, and a lot of other people involved in UTR, better lawyer up fast – things are going to get very bad for them, very soon.
As for those of us who weren’t involved, we should learn (or rather, re-learn, as these have been obvious for a while) a few things from this. First, there is some personality flaw in hardcore WNs that consistently causes their movement to self-destruct, which is precisely what happened to UTR in Charlottesville yesterday. Race realism is supposed to be all about pattern recognition. Well, here’s a pattern I’ve noticed: every time Richard Spencer holds a major event, the rest of the right ends up having to do damage control for weeks (or even months) afterward. What does this pattern tell you? It tells me that Richard Spencer couldn’t successfully run a whorehouse during a gold rush, much less run a movement that’s going to save the white race and restore the West to its former glory. Anyone who puts Richard Spencer or TRS in charge of anything more important or complex than a podcast is a damn fool and is going to get the inevitable disaster that’s coming to them right between the eyes. (By the way, you can all count on the fact that going forward, any group associated with Spencer, TRS, or any of the other organizers [sic] of UTR is going to be absolutely riddled with FBI informants. If you value opsec, don’t want to get doxed, don’t want an FBI file, and don’t want any trouble with federal law enforcement, stay as far away from them all as you can.) Finally, this proves the worth of William Lind’s 4th Generation War theories – the WN segment of the alt-right might have spectacularly self-destructed yesterday, but since those who organized it speak for no one but themselves, there’s a good chance that the damage to the rest of the right can be mitigated.
That all said, this event has set causes of the alt-right back tremendously. Nobody on our side should be cheering about this. I disavow the whole thing.
I know this is long, but it’s well written and worth the read.
Mighty good. Thank you.
Well thought out, and well put.
I think a crowning failure among failures, here, was the decision to hold the rally in the first place. Everyone knew exactly where and when this event was going to go down, and that’s a negative for a couple of reasons. Firstly, when you open a rally to everyone you actually open it to everyone – the Nazi cosplayers in the crowd could as easily be false-flags as concerned citizens. Second, when you put a bunch of political malcontents in a public area, in full knowledge of those opposed, well…you can get Tienanmen Square.
We don’t need leaders – leaders are targets, and as Roosh pointed out yesterday the desire of the ego is strong. We don’t need and cannot afford major gatherings like this – they will be there with cameras, mace, and even the National Guard waiting for us.
Finally, we don’t need a cohesive group, at all. Cohesion leads to leadership, and leadership leads to the risks of bad leaders (a la Spencer and the Stormfront types) and being targeted.
thats a pretty grim future then, back to meme wars in cyberspace, until it to is destroyed?
No, it means you have to do the rallies and protests in the right places with the right people and the right messages. It means you have to think through what you are doing, be prepared for the opposition you are going to face and make sure you ally yourself with the right people.
There is a reason why Gavin McInnes was initially involved with the UTR rally, but then pulled out and said he didn’t want the Proud Boys anywhere near it. There were other people initially on board who pulled out, too. They saw the writing on the wall. They saw it was turning into an White Nationalist and Neo Nazi clusterfuck.
cheers for the reply Thales, agree with what you say, IMO Alt Right should ONLY run with the “Make America Great Again” slogan.
PS, its unusual to see you post a comment that isnt just for sh*ts and giggles with Bem & CBCB, its good to see, keep it up mate.
Does illustrate a certain correctness of Roosh cancelling the meetups at the time, although I was sorry it didn’t happen and somewhat in disbelief that it could have really ended that bad. But it has in the long term probably allowed the manosphere crowd to maintain a better public image than the real alt-right crowd who seem to have now brought shame upon themselves.
The UNC would have gone down a whole lot better as a flash mob…..no BLM counter-protesters etc no bullshit. Maybe THAT is the best way to peaceably assemble.
There are better platforms for speeches and the like, which is the only thing an organized rally has over a flash mob.
Decent novela
Concern trolling and allowing ourselves to be atomized and balkanized is the greatest risk.
Nazi LARPers are the greatest risk. When ANTIFA came after Milo, the centrists moved right. When ANTIFA came after the Nazi LARPers, the centrists moved left.
Nazi LARPing is stupid. Yes, they will always call you a Nazi. But never call YOURSELF a Nazi. Especially out in the real world.
And I say this as a fan of Nazi jokes. This real world Nazi LARPing that we saw in Charlottesville is self-destructive and will take down the rest of the right with itself.
Well said.
Yep. THIS.
very good analysis. As an interested observer it’s hard not to agree with the sentiment that the alt right has suffered a major set back, but as your post demonstrates that set back was deserved. The leaders were unprepared and unfit for purpose, were strategically naive and unaware, and demonstrated weakness at every turn. Such a complete debacle is likely to be very useful indeed assuming it doesn’t completely sink the wider movement.
Well thought out and I may catch hate for saying this, but I’ve been saying for years
Nazis are not right wing
They were hostile to the church and all traditional German institutions from the monarchy to the monastery
Nazis are not our allies
It was German conservatives who provided damn near every assassination attempt on Hitler. The greatest military minds of the age either couldn’t recognize a friend or were damn good at recognizing an enemy.
No enemies to the right is “I can snipe at you but you can’t snipe at me” fuck that.
The NatSocs are leftist by ideological descent and temperment. Erik von Kuehnelt Leddihn straight proved this in leftism Revisited.
And finally and most damning from a practical standpoint: they’re losers. Just like SJWs these RJWs have an external locus of control, a herd mentality, and an astounding inability to win in their personal lives as a general rule. Who carries a Nazi flag that thinks he has a future?
Not to mention that Richard Spencer and many alt-righters support Universal Healthcare, a Socialist wet dream.
Excellent post. My one minor disagreement is that I think the ferocity of the opposition wasn’t as easy to predict. The Klan had just had a protest the previous month in Charlottesville that didn’t turn violent. This was the first time that TRS/DS were going to have a big part in a real world event. It was also reasonable to believe that the authorities wouldn’t be willing to let things get that out of control.
Spencer has also run numerous events in recent years that had no major issues. However, his embrace of the crude and aggressive humor of TRS/DS was a massive mistake. This was a lesson that should have been learned after the November 2016 NPI event, but wasn’t. A major reason was that he loved all the attention he was getting.
Jared Taylor’s cautious and disciplined approach has been vindicated. Political dissidence is dangerous. Pre-Trump, the Alt Right was protected by it’s irrelevance. After Trump, many AR personalities did not adjust to the new reality.
You beat me to it. I am willing to bet some of those neo nazis and KKK guys are on the payroll of the FBI as informants.
Props for Septimus Severus
Aligning one’s self with KKK&Nazis is fucking retarded. Thank you, losers for ruining American Conservativism. I will remove myself from anything they are asoaciated with. You guys also fucked Trump.
As one of the attendees at the UTR march said, ‘when Texas goes blue, and it will, you can kiss America goodbye.’ It’s all about the demographics, no more Republican administrations, and the Dems will just deconstruct the Constitution. Conservatism will become history, and you know how the Left deals with ‘wrongthink’ history.
It is a done deal… We deserve it for Nazi&KKK not getting smacked-down earlier by the many on the right.
Read the social pathologist blog, he was one of the only voices warning about these pricks from the beginning.
Could you post a link to the blog?
Socialpathology dot blogspot dot com
I don’t know. The same people who voted Trump into office don’t believe the media anyway. That’s the majority of Americans.
It’s a fair point – many who attended were there because they genuinely believed that the rally would be peaceful and fair. They were upset by the Left and wanted to engage in peaceable assembly to protest.
These people really got the shaft.
This was all setup. I don’t believe ANY of this shit was done without backing and direction by you know who. His name begins and ends with an S, and his point man in America is the big O.
I would hope you are right, but regardless,nothing involving Nazism or KKK is designed to be victorious, and both local and distant history shows this.
It’s not hope, it is truth. The Zerohedge link above (will include it here) on Jason Kessler is all the proof I need. This is CLASSIC globalist tactics where you control BOTH sides to get to what you want.
Even I… thought this was just “crazy neo nazi shit”. Some nutbar in a car, or an innocent guy caught in a swarm and paniced (some evidence, but I doubt it now).
It was the Challenger. 350 plus horsepower… straight line in… straight line out. That is what really got me thinking and many others.
This is how deep the deep state is embedded in America.
That said… here is your hope.
(((They))) were FORCED into this. Every time they play these games, they get caught out. They can’t fool anyone anymore. The FACT (((they))) had to go to THIS EXTREME EXTENT… this public, this overtly “we have to somehow damage these guys message”… proves they have lost.
The war is not won. The battles are just beginning. But the fact they had to be the aggressor and move first to counter what is CLEARLY becoming a serious threat to their dominance, both politically and… most importantly… psychologically… shows just how desperate they are with the plan to destroy and take over America.
It also shows their weakness. They still believe small stunts like this… making the right look bad… and plastering it all over the MSM for the next few weeks, if not months (and there will be more stunts I suspect)… means they still think they can CONTROL the mental programming and get patriotic Americans to a) stay home in fear and b) believe nothing can be done.
You know… for some levity… you really have to laugh. Think deeply for a minute. The globalists… are trying to subvert and break apart… a nation… FOUNDED ON FREEDOM… with the most heavily armed citizen population on the planet.
Have you seen the map for the 2018 election by county? I have attached an image and here is the link: http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mejn/election/2016/
None of that red is Nazi. None of it. I suspect all the nazis in America were in Charelottesville. That is all there is.
When civil war starts… the globalists in blue are going up against American patriots in red.
Like I said… the shortest civil war in history. No amount of deep state DHS billions of bullets is going to defeat the idea that is America in the hearts and minds of those red states and counties. America will fall apart, but the center that is true will hold and America could be the first country to throw out the globalists. True Americans. Real patriots.
Here is the ZH article: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-14/report-%E2%80%98unite-right%E2%80%99-organizer-jason-kessler-was-occupy-movement-obama-supporter-8-m
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/2a33e7a4fbe26bbd01495792ba7e19c6b2bb40ea30cab50045eeac8472f3665b.png
Choose your leaders wisely and know who you follow well.
I agree with you; the globalists are scared. The Charlottesville false flag event was a desperation tactic. But things are going to get worse, before they get better.
out of curiosity is George Soros really that bad.
Look him up. Now. You owe the truth to yourself. You don’t have to dig deep.
Some reading for you… Then you decide.
http://humanevents.com/2011/04/02/top-10-reasons-george-soros-is-dangerous/
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/heres-proof-soros-money-funding-anti-trump-leftist-protest-riots/
http://leftexposed.org/2017/01/george-soros/
You’re trolling right? Tell me you are trolling and I just fed you.
thanks and damn. his history is crazy
Get over your defeatist bullshit, old man.
Right, I’ll align myself with ignorant, enemies of America that my fore fathers smashed… Next.
Go align yourself with your fellow commie faggots. Your forefathers were a bunch of whiny pussies too, no doubt.
What the hell’s your problem? Hey, @Bem, have we found our paid troll, or what?
I’ll follow your lead, “Jim Bro” of siding with our nations enemies: Viet Cong or Al Qaeda. You Nazis are doing a great job conserving America…
What the fuck have “conservatives” conserved?
The C? It says whatever Ruth Bader Ginsberg wants it to.
The right the freedom of speech and assembly? It’s gone in Charlotteville.
The family? Illegitimate births are increasing.
Marriages? Sodomites can be “married.
Christianity? It has lost all power and most believers.
The descendants of the founding Americans? They are being replaced.
But hey at least you stopped the government from giving us healthcare. Oh wait…
You are all worthless pieces of shit. “Conserve” some resources and hurry up and die.
We don’t make things happen by passing federal laws that force our views on everyone, or interpret the contitution in ways that force our word-play on everyone. That’s what the left does, Jim, man.
You are the left.
#troll
#cuckservative
Portmanteaus are lazy insults.
Not an insult. A description.
Reclassification is lazy contadicting.
#contadictingisntaword
$10usd says you looked it up first.
#givememymoneycuckservativefaggot
I don’t want you to walk away from this angry, or from ROK. You’re a sport, and a fast responder.
Ok, you win.
The second amendment.
It’s really the only victory conservatives won.
Doesn’t make them wrong though, just ineffectual. The solution is to become effectual.
Well said Mike.
Whites will be a minority very soon and when that happens IT’S OVER. You think most non-whites give a shit about “muh constitution”? Voting isn’t going to get us out of this mess.
Most whites don’t even care about the constitution so of course the minorities don’t.
Neither of those groups even really exist in America. They’re just slurs to demonize the movement so that people like you, who react on a visceral level to those words, avoid them. You’ve been watching a bit too much fake news I think.
kkk&Neo Nazis dont exist… Interesting…
You know what I mean. Whatever fringe individuals who exist as actual registered members of those groups have absolutely zero sway in the political arena, and are merely used as boogeymen by the controlled media to further their ends. To treat them as influential groups in the political debate is dishonest.
Most of the time, they’re perfectly rational tax-paying Americans whose political beliefs lean a bit more to the right than our elites would like, and so they have these names thrown at them (just like “racist”, “bigot”, etc) in order to discredit them in the eyes of easily-swayed normies.
And personally, I’ve never understood this fixation with the KKK myself. Black-on-black crime in our cities kills more black people every few months than the KKK killed in their entire existence. They’re not even a good boogeyman.
KKK represent murderous, vigilante law and Nazis are American enemies on par with ilk like Al Qaeda and Viet Cong. Does this make any sense to you?
So, I havent been arguing with neo-nazis on this site? Go back to sleep.
funded by convicted criminal George Soros.?
Saturday did not weaken the Alt-right. It served as a catalyst and clarifying agent. It demonstrated that a peaceful defense will not be possible, and accelerates the timing for the much-needed breakdown and violent struggle.
The only people who think that this didn’t “weaken the Alt Right” are people who see the Alt Right as being solely about White Supremacy and White Nationalism… it used to be much broader and much more powerful than that. But now it will become just as weak and ineffectual as the KKK and all that other shit.
Well said. They can all have that title.
I watched a couple of livestreams from attendees to the march. For most of them it seems to be more about White Survival than White Supremacy.
Go away.
“The only people who think that this didn’t “weaken the Alt Right” are people who see the Alt Right as being solely about White Supremacy and White Nationalism/”
And how were you able to determine this?
Moreover, the fact that you’re using the phony terminology of the Left (i.e., “White Supremacy”) tells me you’re full of utter shite, from head to toe.
You are a joke.
You are a pussy.
And you are a leftist globalist shill. Your account is private, and your defeatism is obvious. I do not trust you, shill.
The brand is, for all intents and purposes, dead. Oh, well.
Screw “Alt-Right.” It was a nice idea, but the dream is bigger than that.
Oh, look. Another leftist globalist defeatist shill, with a private account…..whose posts I cannot read. Hello, shill.
I am confused. Are you invested in the ideas behind the Alt-Right, or just the name? Because if it’s the former, I see no reason you would be butthurt about my comment.
I have seen two major responses to the current state of the “Alt-Right.” The first is branding the Nazi-paraphernalia lovers as “Fake Right” (which is a viable strategy, to be sure – Socialism has never been a “right” position), and the latter is abandoning the Alt-Right brand. I am in the latter category as a rule – I see no clear-cut definition moving forward for “left” and “right”, and I see very few radically invested in the concept of being “right wing” (except the Cuckservatives).
If I be wrong, show me how.
We already knew that for two years now. It wasn’t worth all that was lost in Charlottesville to be reminded once again.
Are you going to recommend an exodus? Most of us have passports and “fuck you” money saved up.
Exodus is a good individual response, but only for a small percentage of men.
Roosh, what is a man to do?
Some of us have known it for a lot longer than two years, but until non-self-loathing White men learn to stop acting out of weakness and defeatism, then it’s good that the reminding should continue. Nothing that’s happened for the last two years more effectively clarified the facts of the matter than Saturday.
your playing right into their hands. Play violent against a monopoly of force and you lose
I’m not playing into anyone’s hands, nor do they have a monopoly on force. Your weakness plays into their hands.
If I am ever surrounded by these Antifags or dumb shirtless negroes, I shall draw my weapon and give warning. Should anyone of them proceed with the attack, I shall blow his innards out the backside of his torso.
You even sound like a LARPer.
You even sound like a Republican.
And what your response here would indicate to me is that when it comes to self-defense, you are a colossal pussy. People like you really cannot deal with the fact that some of us are actual men. You’re revealing your pathetic self, and you don’t even know it.
Now how about you get around to explaining to me how “they” have a monopoly on force? Good luck, hotshot!
so you believe a handful of armed right wingers can successfully stand up against the most military might of the US? Sure a popular uprising can confound a government, but that’s not going to arise without you winning a battle of words, something that isn’t going to happen to the extent you’re seen as condoning violence. Anyway good luck with that
“so you believe a handful of armed right wingers can successfully stand up against the most military might of the US?”
Straw-man.
I never said a damned word about “a handful of armed right wingers successfully standing up against the most military might of the U.S.
Putting words into people’s mouths is not a winning argument.
“Sure a popular uprising can confound a government, but that’s not going to arise without you winning a battle of words, something that isn’t going to happen to the extent you’re seen as condoning violence.”
Straw-man no. 2.
I’m condoning self defense, and condoning self defense does not preclude other things, such as engaging in a “battle of words.”
Anything else, genius?
well what do you mean by violent struggle? Because whatever you do mean, the state and all its very considerable resources exists to prevent that struggle from being successful. Short of a military coup I’m not clear what kind of struggle you think could be successful
I take it you don’t understand the concept of societal breakdown, then. I’m glad the Founders didn’t suffer your lack of vision.
That’s neither here nor there if you do not have the wherewithal to pull it off. Any initiation of violent struggle is condemned to fail.
Gawd, but you are dumber than a rock. Stop wasting my timel, prick. You obviously haven’t the slightest solitary clue what I’m talking about.
you’re right I don’t, since you won’t spell it out. And what’s with the cryptic italics?
I can’t help that you don’t get it, and no, I’m not going to spell certain things out on the internet where the likelihood of the enemy listening in is very high.
As for my typology, were you sick the day the explained italics in school?
everybody is listening to everything. If you have a point to make you should make it clearly or not at all. As far a violence is concerned either you keep it to yourself or you make a call to arms. Either way, as violence, it is a lost cause, and I imagine you’re aware of that
I have always done things as I see fit, and shall continue to do things as I see fit. If that bothers you, I can recommend that you go phuck yourself, good and proper.
I think you mean go phuck yourself, good and proper.
No. I meant it exactly how I wrote it.
then you will spend the rest of your life in jail. get a grip man. Also, unless absolutely necessary to prevent immediate loss of life , armed violence is immoral .
Ok , I suspect troll . trying to agitate.
Anyone who says anything you don’t like is a troll!
You’re a mutherphuggin’ genius. You know that?
Great post, Roosh. Your wisdom is much appreciated by many.
“In 1770, Crispus Attucks, a black man, became the first casualty of the American Revolution when he was shot and killed in what became known as the Boston Massacre.”
The Revolutionary war started in 1775.
Roosh may be dead-on. We’re looking at a possible war scenario now. Historians will sight Charlottesville… if we don’t end up salting the earth this time.
Not much to add to the excellent observations. Letting the extreme right in is a recipe for MSM and leftist PR victory. The same does not apply to them – they ARE extreme leftists. The only way is to keep the radical pseudo-Nazis out of any conservative movement and draw in Joe and Jane average who really don’t like what the leftist loons are doing. Charlottesville was just an excuse to keep the average away from odious types like Spencer – which lets the lefties get away with more and more extreme violence.
I have a sickening sense that extreme violence is coming – the likes of which we’ve never seen, perhaps on the scale of the breakup of Serbia and Croatia.. It’s going to be a very bumpy ride.
Nazis fucked-up every long term plan they’ve been asoaciated with on both continents. My forefathers landed on Normandy&marched into the death camps, not only do I personally loathe everything about them, I think every American should.
Right on.
My Grandfather survived Normandy and took German Bullets. Rational Germans didn’t speak up, just like rational Americans won’t after this ugliness.
It is all ugly…
Whenever I see anybody using nazi iconography, I immediately think 70-IQ jailbirds.
I think white kids that were bullied by dad.
nazis and nazism is the central cog in the control system
To be fair. Europe and the world wouldn’t be nearly as overrun with communists, liberals, and anti-white narratives had America just left the Nazis alone.
White men from America and Europe sacrificed their lives fighting Nazis so Communists and Hispanics/Muslims could overrun our countries instead. And people like you are proud of that to this day.
Smells like civil conflict to me. This usually happens when governments are weak, divided and corrupt. I mean both the population and the government itself are completely ideologically divided, you don’t get more explosive than that. I’d wager this will get worse and lead to a “Calexit” in 2019 and the rest will follow leading to the slow and ultimate break up of the US into regions or independent states. It’s sad but inevitable. Too few people in government with enough good will and common sense. I like Trump but he’s no Cesar and i doubt he has the will, patience and courage to deal with this shit storm. When he walks away, all hell will break lose. welcome to the fall of the empire, It’s going to be tough but fascinating.
‘May you live in interesting times.’
Silence, woman.
Silence birdbrain.
Mod this cynical and annoying woman?
Lighten up, we’re not discussing gender issues here.
I support Calexit 100%. They can take all their hipsters, drag queens, fags, and progressives with them.
But I shout this will happen though
For me the takeaway is that whites aren’t allowed to organize in the public sphere on their own behalf. This fact is pretty much officially documented now.
The only good thing that came of this is that this is a red-pill about left-wing institutional control that can be shared with new recruits.
Whites can gather in the public sphere only if it’s in celebration of a non-white culture or achievement, or denouncing and self-brow beating for a past transgression done by white’s, even if it was justified. Example – apologizing to Japan for the atomic bombs.
…or if they’re homosexuals.
Oooohhh you are awful!! But I like you……
Training78b
Digital184s
Another takeaway I got is that the “tolerant” left always claims that virginity or sexual inactivity is nothing to be ashamed of….. until they want to make fun of you for something. So many insults directed at the rally attendees from left-wing Twitter is all about their “virgins” or “haven’t gotten laid in forever”.
Women will always go for assaulting a man’s masculinity first! Second place goes to attacking his intelligence. Honerable mention goes to telling him his dick is little, which is really just part of masculinity-attacking anyway.
A big advantage the left has is they don’t need to live up to their own principles.
A few do try. I am NOT a left, btw. There are a couple that try to walk to talk, though. They’re not as much “left” as they are “philanthropics” though. There are still a few 1980’s James-polk-style dems out there who are, moored in morals, older men. I’m still right, but I’ve seen them, met them, plesantly debated them (and they don’t freak out emotionally). Let’s not blanket them with the fem-fagtifas and that crowd. Save blanketing for the immigrants.
To clarify I don’t consider union democrats and classical liberals to be the “Left” anymore… I should have said progressives.
Would like to add, if all roles were reversed, the left would be claiming victory –
Look at how we were assaulted !
No wonder he ran into that crowd, he panicked, scared to death, surrounded by violent NAZIs.He is lucky to be alive !
And the press and politicians would echo.
ADVICE
leave the salutes and NAZI flags at home.
Not to mention the pseudo-Freudian homosexual insults, which is ironic how they equate homosexuality with negativity(which it is) when theyre always the ones defending or promoting it.
very good point
That was a major victory, yes.
I’d respectfully suggest Roosh brush up on his Saul Alinsky. When the government pulls out shock troops to shut down free speech, as happened here, it makes the oppressed group highly sympathetic. This was the backbone of the civil rights movement, and the alt-right used it to good effect here. Spencer himself had stayed behind to try to get arrested (Martin Luther King style), but the police instead sprayed him with pepper spray and physically removed him from the park.
The alt-right should be holding more rallies, trying to get silenced more, arrested more, etc., until at last they are allowed to speak. The one big thing that needs to happen is zero offensive violence from the alt-right. I’m torn on whether they should fight back when attacked or not. Non-defense worked for blacks and Indians, but winning the street fight war also worked for Nazi brown shirts. There is precedent for both self-defense and non-defense as effective.
The guy who plowed his car into antifa was a tragedy and it hurts the movement. But not very much. There was plenty of violence from leftists during the civil rights movement, including deaths. Figures like King and Alinsky were pivotal because they were able to harness the energy of the movement, lead large scale demonstrations, get shut down, get arrested, yet keep their followers in check and forbid them from violence. They succeeded despite other leaders (like Malcolm X) actively pushing for violence.
The United States is in the midst of a culture war. There will be casualties on both sides. The alt-right is not going to win by retreating, going underground, and becoming a small movement again. This last rally has woken up a lot of normies – go read the comments sections on YouTube videos, MSM articles, and the like. The people aren’t fooled. They know what happened.
Spencer is not an ideal leader. But he is developing. We’ll see if he can develop into the kind of charismatic leader a growing political movement usually requires or not.
I agree. And Spencer is far from perfect but damn, the guy’s been sucker-punched, maced, and received torture and death threats yet keeps on fighting.
All I really know about Spencer is he was punched in the face once. I think we should be decentralized, just like-minded people who don’t need such leaders.
yeah well it’s easy for keyboard warriors to dish out so much criticism of a man who is attempting the most difficult task on the face of the earth.
and Roosh should know better than this. He should know how hard they went after him, and that it must be a million times worse for Spencer.
But we need somebody, or at least some people who are articulate enough to bring our message to the press.
The press seems to have their minds made up. How to sidestep them and get to the people? I think the web is the best tactic, as long as we can. I notice a lot of new people here.
I’m not sure speeches and rallies are even a good approach. From now on it’s ‘10,000 Neo-Nazis march in rally’.
I was reading the Daily Mail coverage. They are often sympathetic to the right. I was struck by their photo captions. They have an uncanny ability to label who is alt-right, white nationalist, and white supremacist, apparently just by looking at their physiognomy in the photo? I’m being sarcastic; they used these labels interchangeably.
that’s theater , haven’ yo noticed his events follow a pattern. he holds events in dumb places , does dumb things like heilgate, causes disaster for the attendees and then skipps merrily off to the next disaster? have nothing to do with this man. he may or may not be a plant working of an opo group. he could be easily played , but either way, avoid him and his events at all cost
ANY alt-right or pro-white event is going to be a “disaster” until things change. We live in a culture where standing up for anything traditional or being pro-western is seen as evil so wtf can we do? Being keyboard commandos only gets us so far.
I’m not sure I fully buy into the idea that the car crash was an intentional murder. Why would the dude destroy his own vehicle when he could have waited for a better opportunity to hit pedestrians? It looked like a freak out moment as he panicked at being surrounded and hit the gas.
I’m inclined to agree with you that no press is bad press. Part of me even thinks the alt-right should just own the Nazi label. Notice how they’ve moved on from “racist” to “Nazi”? Being a racist is already practically normalized now.
Just throwing ideas out there though, I know Americans have their own perspective on the Axis powers and that’s somewhat out of my understanding.
One reporter st the police station said he turned himself in shakingvwith fear. Heard several cops comment they thought he just panicked.
There is vid of someone hitting his car with pole b4 he drove toward the crowd blocking the road
Some kind of references would be good in this case
woman ,can’t remember her name, Should have bookmarked it.
at the bottom
https://70news.wordpress.com/2017/08/14/video-panicked-james-fields-car-hit-by-antifa-mob-with-baseball-bats-forcing-him-to-reverse-and-hit-more/
http://streamable.com/21gc9
The guy is driving reasonably until a black male emerges from the crowd with a blunt object and smashes the left rear of his vehicle.
great analysis on youtube vid in article
Best question
If his intent was to run over people, why didn’t he aim at the crowd on the side of the road instesd of ramming into the back of a car ?
read and watch vid
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JrRxXxJoraI&time_continue=220
Yes, thanks for posting this and your other comments. It may well be the guy just freaked out. It is a strange way to inflict damage. Hitting a car will damage your own vehicle, possibly rendering it inoperable and leaving yourself vulnerable to crowd justice, more than just hitting a person.
The whole thing is ridiculous on the face of it. How on earth are you & I & the alt+right responsible for the actions of this driver?
(Youtube hint, if you don’t want to log on to Youtube or don’t have an account replace ‘watch’ in the URL with ‘watch-popup’; unfortunately you don’t get to see poster or viewer comments this way.)
Those idiots who attacked his car with bats while the white backup light was on in the car taillights ought to have known better, by the way.
This is a good way to push back against the media narrative. I overheard some TV news, they were calling the protestors ‘pedestrians’. There was some other antifa event in CA, months ago, trying to block a freeway, where a protestor got hit. This might not be much different. Very tragic though, I must say, much as I detest those guys.
Why was his car attacked initially? For going too fast?
thx for advice, or replace youtube address with hooktube.
I don’t use google, try to avoid youtube except to give views to a right wing vid
From your link:
‘“Anyway several police officers at the station here think the guy running people down wasn’t malicious. They said the driver was scared,” The Hill reporter Taylor Lorenz tweeted as the case was developing. That tweet is now deleted.’
my guess , deleted due to pressure
Why not activate the airbag? It’s a strong blow, watch the minute 2:55.
Yeah and more and more young people are sympathizing for the actual Nazis because they realize, how could it get any worse than what it is about to get. They realize they have no future and that the actual Nazis are not responsible for their current misfortunes no matter how much the media says they are.
Not just whites. We can’t organize either, and we don’t base out ideas on race.
Yea pretty much any true conservative rally can’t organize without hate especially if you don’t agree with degenerate leftist behavior
The word “Nationalist” is now forever poisoned by association. For example, I picture a violent angry mob of BLM surrounding a guy with a nationalist t-shirt (which I will never wear) accusing him of being a “white nationalist” because he is.
1. White.
2. Identifying as a Nationalist.
I think you are right Roosh that demonstrations don’t make any real difference (if that IS what you are saying. NOT to put words in your mouth.) or more precisly, don’t go to a demonstration without expecting to defend you very life.
There is a lot of anti-Safe Act sentiment here in NY state ( a gun-grabbing law passed by the very left wing NY state government). A local radio host on conservative radio WBEN AM 930, Tom Baurele says its pointless to protest because not much gets accomplished in the real word. The BEST thing to do is vote out idiots.
This is key, and this brings us to a very dangerous place. Part of the reason a democratic multicultural society works is that freedom of speech and association work as pressure release valves to allow people to vent without the pot boiling over. Once you remove the only options people have to express their dissenting views peacefully, there is nothing left but to get violent.
In addition, this will embolden Antifa to do more stupid things.
Which will inevitably lead them to make an irreversible mistake, such as killing a Black Trump supporter or an old lady.
The way to make them look bad is just like if you’re representing a guy charged with a crime. The judge isn’t gonna look at this fairly, the lawyer has to MAKE him do his job.
The same logic needs to be applied to the establishment media, government, etc.
Richard Spencer gets hurt way too often. Get two people to watch your back, dude.
where does his money come from I gotta ask?
He’s got money to be a professional activist for an unpopular cause. I’m sure he can figure it out.
Property.
Is there a bigger, lifelong loser than Dr. David Duke? His commentry will be fire when meda wants to attack Trump.
I would have thought he’d have fallen off the Earth by now?
Funny, Duke represents everything a reasonable right winger is against…
Garry Johnson
what about Jared Taylor? He’s more of a genuine intellectual.
These guys have butchered the right wing, not just in thought but from ever becoming a reality…
Thanks, Cernolisp.
David Duke is nothing but a failure and a tool of the left.
Hey he doesn’t need to be throw under the bus. He speaks a lot of the truth about political Zionism and multiculturalism.
He disavowed the KKK when he was a teenager and the media hasn’t forgiven him for it since.
Once you support American enemies, like the Nazis, you lose all “public credibility”. It doesnt bother you that that whole crew completely buddy-fucked the president?
Communism has been a far worse enemy to America and still is. However I was just defending David Duke who has disavowed the KKK and has done a good job presenting his arguments from a more nuanced perspective without having to make a compromise.
As for the Alt Right, I agree that they are a PR disaster.
Shit don’t look like just cosplay anymore…..
White polo shirts and khaki pants are gonna take a big hit in sales after this… oh and tiki torches
I see the Daily Stormer will be looking for a different host for its site because it described the woman that was killed as a fat 32 year old slut. Didn’t know the woman but if she was hanging around with Antifa chances are……
I’d say that’s persisting in the wrong kind of discourse. Anglin compounded the errors made at Charlottesville by implicitly condoning / apologising for violence. I really don’t care for Daily Stormer given what it is, but it’s worrying that sites are being targeted whatever their nature
Don’t know the site, just read the article on Breit. However distasteful it was to call a dead woman a fat slut it still doesn’t show any incitement to violence. I would wager looking at someone the wrong way will constitute hate crime in the near future. Watch your backs boys…..gonna be walking on egg shells for a while…..
I hope not. Whatever culture takes society takes to the schools, then tomorrow’s less critically-thinking become the common man. Gonna be an ugly future, made worse every day we walk these shells.
As Roosh points out this has nothing to do with what’s ‘fair’ but about being able to see one foot in front of your nose, because those you are up against are planning into the future. Yes, things are going to get worse. That’s because of people like Anglin, who may like Kessler, not even be the real deal, but if he is he should have been cut off long ago. As a non-white I obviously don’t give a shit about Daily Stormer, but for all it’s nastiness it is still a question of free speech, and that’s something ironically that can only really be preserved if you are at least where it counts careful about what you say. THat doesn’t mean not being offensive, but being strategic about how you go about offending.
I’m worried about her poor orphaned cats myself.
There are two psy-op triggers that are buried deep in the American mind: rape and Nazism.
Actually, there’s a caveat to the first: Rape is bad when it’s a privileged white male doing it. But if it was a foreign migrant or a third-world refugee in a Western nation who did it then we need to understand that this is part of the culture that they come from, and as their hosts we should accommodate ourselves to their ways so that they won’t feel unwelcome or out of place . . . . .
Kill yourself so that the parasite will live.
Could this be the Catalyst for positive change in America? I believe that it is, are the left protesters going to be so keen to set up counter protests when they now know they are playing for keeps?
Well its about time you got down off your horse and shed some light on the situation….. you’ve ben a very naughty boy….
The same Lefties who have been encouraging political violence for well over a year are now shedding crocodile tears over their martyr Heather Heyer. A blind man could’ve seen her death coming.
As usual, they flood the countries with barbaric scum, cause economic downturns, destabilize entire regions, ruin millions of lives in the upcoming years, cultivating censorship and fascism. Propagating new disgusting fetishes, zoophilia, necrophilia, pedofilia, incest and god knows what else, rotting societies to the core.
Yet amisdt all of this one redneck, hillbilly kills one liberal and it’s all over the greatest sin committed by the opposition. Thing is liberals can do no wrong, they get away with everything, including corruption but one mistake from the right/ or any other non librul group, they will ram a whole mountain down on you.
They play dirty, it is in their book since communism, damned if you do damned if you don’t.
The real power is media, they can make a serial killer a hero and a saint into monster, and the masses buy it. You can’t beat stupid.
Don’t forget the cop killing, the destruction and looting of private property, and the career assassination attempts that have been going on for a while now.
It’s not hypocrisy if you genuinely believe you’re always justified and the enemy’s always in the wrong.
I hope you’re being cynical, T. I’m not: Ignorance is not innocence.
I mean that there is no point in doing what “Conservatives” love more than claiming to go to church – calling them “hypocrites.”
This is war to them – they think in terms of “any means necessary,” and while they wish to use our emotions and ethical concerns against us they do not have any such concerns themselves.
I read you. They do always think the right is their enemy.
I agree you can’t beat stupid….. you just gotta wait for stupid to bash its own bains out…. as night follows day it will happen…. sit back and watch the chaos unfold…. from a safe distance of course…..
Everyone wants to remain distant, but now so many binoculars distort the truth.
Heck, until this happened the SJWs were starting to consider “light skinned” people as more white than POC. They were THIS close to eating themselves alive because of it.
Oh they’ll be back at it with renewed vigour after this little altercation. Give ’em enough rope I say.
Meanwhile there has been an even nastier car attack in Paris by the usual suspects, not sure they will truly manage to paint our movement as the problem try as they might
I would like to suggest a couple of things. First, yes, we definitely need real-life events. No matter if they are public or not. Second, why not do public events with children? If we have children together with us, we can kill two birds with one stones: we’ll symbolize the future and the System will have a more difficult time harming us physically. Imagine the psychological effect of antifas beating white children. Third, there is no reason to blame the Alt Right for the chaos fostered by the System. Especially when the footage clearly shows the result of a panic, not something like a premeditated action. James Fields was not one of us – but he was a victim of the violent atmosphere the antifa fostered. Environmental explanations should prevail in Fields’ case.
I don’t know whether to say we’re not Saddam Hussein. I know that if my kids went into the field, I’d have them in goggles, now.
The flashpoint for me that the “Alt-Right” was doomed was when the spergs came after Roosh in February 2016 and sided with the feminists. That showed me the cancer was there. It metastasized in “heilgate” and became terminal in Charlottesville. There is no reason for anyone around here to associate with the “Alt-Right” and they need to fuck off or risk our livelihoods or even lives.
As I said when assessing the results of 2016 last December (http://masculineepic.com/index.php/2016/12/28/the-winners-losers-of-2016/):
“2016 was the peak year of the “real Alt-Right.” As I predicted in February, they are fast on the road to irrelevance. The label will still stay around because it’s a useful term for the left to hypnotize people with, but its actual influence will now be on the wane. The new nationalism on the other hand, will continue to grow, and with it, the broader populist right.”
And so there it is. Mark my words, anyone who is still in Spencer’s orbit is going to be a target of the feds. If you’re still there for some reason, get out while you still can.
After the surprise successful march Friday night, they should have cancelled everything on Saturday. Their still would have been an antifa riot, but nobody else there to blame.
The police and politicians did everything possible to make it a bloodbath for the right on Saturday.
http://thezman.com/wordpress/?p=11207
No one could have predicted the betrayal that occurred Saturday. It’s the BIG LIE – something so egregious that no one could have expected it and had a defense against it.
The VA Governor just tried to openly get people killed to stop a political movement.
Anyone who is paying attention could have predicted Saturday. It was really not that far of a step from what we’ve seen from the authority in the recent past.
And there’s also this thing called history. Those who don’t learn it are doomed to repeat it. The authorities have pulled this shit before.
Quit punching right.
The Alt-Right provides you intellectual cover. Your job is to simply support free speech unquestionably, while letting the Overton Window shift via osmosis. That’s how this culture war gets won. It’s a massive, video-game-style grind where you support free speech and the left looks autistic for losing their **** over it.
Quit taking pages from the Cernovich/PJW/Rebel book. They are culturally on the anti-patriarchy center-left and they don’t WANT to see the Overton Window shift back towards traditionalism. They want 90s feminism and careerism. That’s why they have started punching right and stopped defending free speech rights.
Punching right kills the momentum. That’s why the country is taking a hard lurch leftward since Saturday.
Any “hard lurch leftward since Saturday” is primarily the fault of the alt retards with Tiki torches and Nazi flags.
Doubtful.
Anglin got 300k likes on his last article on Faceberg.
The hard-core trolls are the only thing still whipping along at full speed.
Lol, the intrawebz and reality are two different things, kiddo.
Hop to it then – we’ll see what you can conserve.
What are you, like 12 years old?
Hete is a vid you would like and can use to show the false narrative spread about the U TR rally . People need to know they are being lied to
https://out.reddit.com/t3_6togcn?url=https%3A%2F%2Fstreamable.com%2Fsvxcr&token=AQAABl6SWcXAC8tM_FaUkBLbHva5tU3JKaw9tU_nEoFwQFkAFOAW&app_name=mweb2x
Most on the right don’t gibe a fuck about your damn Nazi worship
Most on the right have been losing for the past 60 years.
And I’m nowhere near a Nazi – It’s just an avatar.
They’ll lose harder if they align with a loser movement
They already are a loser movement.
Meanwhile the left never apologizes for it’s violence and keeps pounding their narrative.
Just weeks ago a lefty, with anti Trump signs in his yard, double tapped his nieghbor, a Republican Commiteeman , blowing his brains out in front of his wife.
No apologizes. No calls for the Dems to disavow or condemn. No hand wringing by the left. Almost no coverage.
The left marches on.
Roosh’s article addresses this. It’s just the way it is, whining about it is a losing strategy.
true, but I don’ t think anyone would forsee the cops disbanding the rally, not the counter protests, and actually forcing them down a narrow stairway into the crowd.
When the police litteraly set you up as opposed to just standing idly by, it has been taken to another level.
What the cops did in Charlottesville was just the next step from what they did in Berkeley. And they have done shit like this to protestors in the 60s and 70s. It is eminently foreseeable, especially in the political climate of that city and state. People have been warning about this.
The terminology of “left” and “right” is dying. The popularity of the (to me) ridiculous “horseshoe theory” all but proves it.
I would assert, as former President Reagan did, that there is not “left” or “right” but rather “up” and “down” – up to man’s age-old dream, the maximum of individual freedom consistent with order, or down to the ant heap of totalitarianism.
Is the “Alt-Right” brand dead? I would say so. Is the idea of driving all-destroying ideologies from our nation dead? Certainly not.
Can you imagine joining the up party? What would your opposition be called?
Agreed that the value of public demonstrations is questionable, though they may be useful for boosting morale in some places, but one needs to nonetheless plan and be smart in dealing with the opposition.
We can also fight them on our terms.
Don’t give them jobs. You know who I am talking about.
Reject resumes with “certain kinds of names” on them.
Don’t rent to them.
Don’t sell houses to them.
And most importantly, notice your surroundings and protect yourselves at all times.
The globalists/Zionists are as usual playing both sides like a violin, they roll out their bankrolled fake Nazi group and lone psychopath when they feel they need to remind everyone who the “real” enemy is.
This guy had Hitler posters on his wall FFS, how fucking convenient and utterly predictable.
Now prepare for weeks of increasingly rabid Zionist lecturing from the MSM in their march towards their globalist nightmare.
The entire 20th century belonged to the rotten, lying, anti-christian Zionists and their quest for a satanic world government, the entire western populace brainwashed for decades. So much for the “educated” whites.
And now with all the 3rd world additions to the western world the past 40 years, the potential to turn things around diminishes by the year. These people don’t have the capacity to think big picture and question the dogma of masters they don’t even know exist or worse, think are the good guys.
All it takes for the Zionists to reinstate the status quo after some kind of setback is to pay someone white to wave a swastika around and/or run someone over. This is how far the scales are tipped in their favor and how impressionable the average moron on the street has become.
There are some slightly convenient aspects to James Alex Fields profile, but so far beyond the fact that he is a cliche there is little to suggest he isn’t a bona fide nazi. Beyond that everything screams set up, and a very careful laid and coordinated plan involving both authorities and ‘grass roots’ bolshies.
this is a keen analysis of the situation, and I think correct in its conclusions and the potential implications for the right. Everything about this was a set up (even if the murder by the idiot nazi was real and not as Alex Jones has claimed a false flag). I would like to see further analysis of this (here and elsewhere) because there is a trail pre-planning here. The fact that this is was a trap is one angle, but as Roosh indicates it isn’t really the most serious one. I don’t care for nazis or white supremacists obviously, but the alt-right goes well beyond that, and arguably shouldn’t be associated with those guys at all. The interesting fact is that the leadership was entirely out-manouevered, and there is not even a sense that any of these guys saw it coming. Roosh is absolutely right about Richard Spencer’s inadequate reaction (I have no – white – skin in the white nationalist game, but I have watched its progression with interest) and as for the others, their easy neutralisation is not exactly inspiring, although if Kessler is a plant that changes the complexion of things a bit.
There are too many important points to consider here. There needs to be a lot of further analysis, and detective work, but while it may be necessary to meditate on things for a while, Roosh’s point about nazis should be the clear take away from this. The fact is the right thought it could unite under a broad umbrella that included nazis, or the equivalent. Doing so is simply no longer viable. A decimation – in the roman military sense – is essential. Not a random one, but a decimation of those parts that might be described as weak links – people like James Alex Fields are the obvious types to let go. But more broadly speaking so should anyone who does not or cannot understand how the left maintains control of the discourse through associating any kind of dissidence / resistance with extremism, nazism, hatred. Ironically, the only way to take down the anti-hate matrix is to address the extent to which it’s analysis may hit the mark. Get rid of the murdering nazis and you get rid of the potential for psy-ops, and easy misdirection as happened here.
The alt right needs to purge the kkk and the neo nazis
They’re seriously the anchor around our neck.
That started to happen a few months back when the Alt-Right had their infighting. Then Alt-Right and Alt-Lite came about.
The alt-lite are a bunch of race blind, tranny fucking cucks. That is not what identitarians are about. Additionally, identitarians advocate for their racial interests which is totally different than kkk/nazis
Alt -lite is a much better marketing brand than the alt-right
Oh yes and having a leader pen articles asking what it would be like to have sex with a tranny is certainly a great brand to promote.
It’s too late for that. Charlottesville has ensured that “Alt Right” is now synonymous with “KKK” and “Nazi”.
and we need to rebrand it as identitarian
An absolutely foolish suggestion. The media and liberals will associate these people with names like KKK and Neo-Nazi regardless of what they do.
GamerGate learned this the hard way, that self-regulation and purging the most ardent members of your group for the purposes of PR will have no effect. The (((powers that be))) will continue to slur and demonize you and your group will only end up weaker.
No what is foolish is giving the media photo ops of your identitarian group with new nazis/kkk. That is literally the anchor around our neck.
You’ve been around the controlled media long enough, you know they’ll find some “incriminating” evidence regardless, or outright fabricate it themselves if needed.
Of course they will find something. They’ll report it to the public and the public will see if it’s correct. In this instance, the news was NOT fake as it usually is. They tried incriminating trump constantly. And has it worked? No because he kept himself clean.
The idea is to not give them any actual evidence to use against us. We need to be squeaky clean, keep to the script, and not be so overtly racial. For whatever reason being overtly racial or “racist” scares normie whites. Chalk it up to brainwashing but nonetheless those are the rules of the game.
“They’ll report it to the public and the public will see if it’s correct.”
You’re inexperienced to believe that the public will fact-check the media’s claims. The public as a whole believes outright what the media tells them. On Twitter, fake news from media outlets receives thousands of likes/retweets, while the redactions and corrections receive hardly any reaction at all.
Heck, that guy who ran over and killed that lady at the rally did it out of fear because the counter-protesters were hitting his car with bats and clubs, and he was actually an anti-Trump Hillary supporter. These are the facts but no one outside of people who read fringe news media like us will know this. The people believe what they are told.
I believe in the free will of individuals just as much as you, but everyone is busy with their own lives and usually brainwashed from decades of liberal narratives shoved down their throats. The media’s power to shape narratives is like that of a monolith and can’t be underestimated.
In regards to your first paragraph, if that was true trump would have lost.
The rest of your statement I agree with. But having a good image is important. And so are optics. A torchlight rally was practical because 1) it was dark and 2) tiki torches keep mosquitos away. But the optics were bad.
https://www.pscp.tv/RichardBSpencer/1eaKbmLOWdqxX?t=4
See Spencer’s and Damigo’s press conference on Spencer’s periscope.
If civil war doesn’t break out by 2020, then surely the 2nd win will be what triggers it.
With recent events, “Bleeding Kansas” and “John Brown’s raid on Harpers Ferry” comes to mind.
Those were preludes to something much worse…
If you’ve never experienced war, you have no idea what kind of shit is coming our way…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bleeding_Kansas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brown%27s_raid_on_Harpers_Ferry
I agree with you… and here is a simple rule: you will never be able to sell the Nazis… ever
Related topic: “Protestors” in Durham, North Carolina, pulled down a public statue and posed in front of it, often spitting or otherwise defacing the downed monument.
Because these are not Nazi KKK Hitlers, the police have not been ordered in as yet, and no arrests have been made.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OADMQVUcFM&t=0s
The Alt Right is going nowhere. They think attacking Christianity and putting women on a pedestal is going to save traditional values. Its also sad how they can’t seem to grasp the fact that nationalism isn’t automatically synonymous with Hitler memes.
As a strong believer in O’Sullivan’s Law, I don’t advocate for compromising ones beliefs for the sake of popularity. However, in the Alt Right’s case, there are more effective ways to talk about issues like political Zionism or Nationalism without coming across as a facetious internet troll, but they’re too thickheaded to see this which is why they will fail.
Way past the talking stage. That said it’s never been about talking.
“They think attacking Christianity and putting women on a pedestal is going to save traditional values.”
This doesn’t happen anymore
” they can’t seem to grasp the fact that nationalism isn’t automatically synonymous with Hitler memes ”
They actually grasp it. The left doesn’t.
From most of the communities or figureheads I’ve seen, they attack it for its Semitic roots.
There is also this implication among them that anyone who distances themselves from the Hitler shit is too cowardly.
I haven’t figured out how a sane person can be a Hitler fan boy.
Me neither. He was a socialist, he preferred Islam over Christianity, and he was financed by the Rothschilds(the same people he was apparently fighting).
And never forget, he killed mostly other white people.
What a guy. Heh.
A lot of those whom he killed were Slavs, who are ironically doing the best job being Nationalists today lol.
Yep.
They sure are.
And all the while German manginas stand by like little faggots while Muslims rape their women.
I sometimes see Reichtards saying that the U.S. should have allied with Hitler.
Fuck that shit.
Once he targeted other whites for destruction in their own homelands, it was game over for his ass.
He/they got what they deserved.
Those dipshit neo nazis and klan wanna-be’s are no ones friends.
From now on anything “right” is going to be associated with those morons. The left has attempted to paint the right with that broad brush for years and the paint had started to peel, now it has a new coat and has turned away many people who would have potentially been on our side that we can never get back now.
Thanks morons, and by the way Hitler was a little bitch that committed suicide instead of being captured. If he wanted to die like a man all he had to do was walk outside and shoot it out with the Soviets but, he was too chickenshit to do that so he poisoned himself.
Heil Hitler!….idiots.
If he was captured, they would have humiliated his corpse the same way they did with Mussolini.
Hitler wanted to immortalize himself, and he did.
If he shot it out with the Soviets, he would have been immortalized because he certainly would have died before capture and would have gone down fighting instead of hiding.
He was still a fucked in the head dipwad that just talked a good game.
He led the finest military the world had ever seen at the time to total destruction in 6 years.
I get what you’re saying, but I think the fact that his body was never found did in fact add mystery to his story.
I assume he wanted to make himself into a Jesus Christ for the white race.
It did add mystery but, I think it was a bitch way to go out instead of taking it like a man.
But Jesus at least faced the people that hate him and took his death like a man. Hitler went out like a bitch.
” From now on anything “right” is going to be associated with those morons ”
That was the plan all along.
Andrew Anglin and the whole of the alt-right wanted to simply become “the right”.
Now they have. They are making it so you cannot disassociate from them even as a regular right-winger.
Their strategy is genius because they are forcing the people to choose sides. It’s nice to be a centrist, but centrists don’t change popular culture.
Right now, the dichotomy is set as Antifa vs Alt-Right, with moderate actors losing power.
Forced between two shitty choices, people choose the less shitty one. And I guarantee you that even you will chose them over the Antifa.
Proof : Comments on Sargon of Akkad video. Even moderates side with Nazis over Communists
I understand what you’re saying however, if I was stuck between commies and nazis I would try to shoot in both directions.
I really hate leftists but the idiot nazis are just as bad.
It ain’t easy riding on a rail fence.
Dude the F you don’t shoot right on the important issues we agree with them. At the end of the day we need everyone we can get. The question that needs answering is are some allies holding us back. Maybe? Lets assume that there was no death what happens. Breaking News Nazi Alt-Righters start riot. We are going to be slammed no matter what by the media. Now all we can do is hope that there is going to be a long-term benefit.
The people in the worst spots to be in right now are the national socialists who can’t stand the white supremacist Nazi.
Look, that neo nazi stuff will alienate more potential allies than it will ever gain.
They aren’t worth having around, if you don’t believe me just watch some YouTube videos of them.
And what about non Whites on the right? Do they need to be alienated too?
I’ve seen some of your prior posts, you are suggesting joining up with the nazis?
What non whites on the right? US minority’s overwhelmingly vote left.
And those that don’t? Fuck them huh
If they aren’t fuktard leftists I say welcome aboard.
And if any of you feel alienated Jess Mg will be glad to white knight for you.
There are plenty of non whites in the right. They tend to be called coons and traitors. Hell Ben Carson isn’t even that far right and he is constantly called that.
Yeah I have those Murdoch Murdoch videos are great.
If Hitler really wanted to make an impression, he should’ve went out “Tony Montana” style taking out as many Red Army soldiers he could before being shot to death. Heck, the Germans could still be fighting a guerilla war to this day had Hitler taken that approach.
Charlottesville was a victory for the WN sector of the alt-right.
It is important to understand the logic behind it. Roosh and others have made it seem as if it was obvious what was going to happen.
That is not fully the case. Never have police attacked people with a permission to demonstrate out of nowhere. This is a new thing.
The marchers were not expecting such a massive set-up. They had a similar successful march in the past (although not as large). This is a short-term loss, but a long-term win.
From now on WN are becoming a household name, like it or not (Not necessarily good obviously).
The alt-right will only become MORE radicalized, just as the left.
The difference is which strategy works best, the Roosh or Anglin one. Both have good arguments.
We can all agree the event was a fail. But I think it is a long-term win for the Alt-right because :
1) it showed just how far the government is willing to go (yes, this was unprecedented, they never went THIS far). Thus giving alt-right intel for future events and further radicalization
2) it made WN a national talking point, sliding from irrelevance into mainstream conscience
This is a long-term Alinsky the Alt-Right is trying to play.
And what about nationalists who aren’t white supremacists? To me it looks like they’re the biggest losers out of all of this.
What the hell is a white supremacist? Are Africans risking their lives to live in Europe white supremacists?
Like me. I have to deal with the fact some hillbillies made BLM thugs even more violent against White men just because they believe that Nazi symbolism and being a piece of shit wins the battle.
I think there is something to “owning the insult.” Spencer plays it well. You can’t blame him for mobs let loose by Democrat politicians. The idiot with the car didn’t get the joke.
Alt-righters who are Nazis, Klan sympathizers, white supremacists or even identity in that way are even more moronic than the Social Justice Warriors, BLM, Antifa, etc because they are viewed even worst than if these far-leftists had declared themselves as Stalinists, Maoists, terrorist guerrilas living in the jungle.
That is how bad the Nazi brand is. You are worst than a Stalinist in the US.
Even if these brain dead goobers believe in everything they do sincerely and can intellectually defend every word, it proves that they are absolutely imbecilic when it comes to marketing.
Hey, everybody, look at us, we are going to align our brand with every failed right-wing movement of the last 100 years.
People should reject the alt-right on its stupidity alone.
If they are too dopey to even manage their brand correctly, they deserve to be crushed.
So, it’s millions of african and muslim immigrants? how you gonna stop that without being a Nazi.
When was the last time you engaged in any type of political activity outside of complaining on the internet?
What’s that got to do with it? According to feminists and lefties having a period is political. My sex is political. My race is political.
Thanks for proving my point.
If you refuse to even do your basic duties as a citizen, you haven’t even come close to exhausting all the possibilities.
I have no idea what you’re talking about but enjoy the distraction.
The same principle applies to getting fit or meeting women.
If you aren’t dedicating yourself to those activities, don’t expect everything to fall in your lap by magic just because you exist.
Nobody gets fit by watching television.
Okay.
Complaining on the internet is political activity.
By being an American nationalist, a jingoist, or countless other options that don’t involve National Socialism? Maybe just maybe.
Good luck. I am certainly not a nazi but the mob enabled by the Democrat Establishment will do it’s job. Are you a Muslim?
Wtf? What does Islam have to do with this
Look. If you are a white man and you oppose your replacement or dhimmitude you have no choice. You are a Nazi. Get it?
Appeal to pocketbook. Who wants to support these freeloaders? Social Security is out of money, lets spend what’s left on refugees instead of gramps. (They go on disability & medicare, etc.)
That is the strongest argument. There is good and bad from the Nazi era, as much as one side tells us it was all bad and the other, all good. Something wrong with recycling the branding in 2017 however. The Identitär movement do a better job of it, but still don’t like to hear such a lack of solidarity with the alt-right here just cause of its branding.
Look, people. White guys up until very recently were considered weak dhimmis. Second class citizens in their own countries, sold out by their leaders, feminized and pathetic worshippers of something called human rights.
We’re entering into a post-human rights world. It’s going to be messy and ugly.
Roosh, thanks for the good advice, bro.
Excellent post, Roosh. One of your best. The so-called leaders of the movement seem to be incapable of learning from prior mistakes. The Nazi symbols and signaling have to go. Immediately.
Right on! The German National Socialist ideology was a loser mentality from the beginning.
atheism (or paganism) + socialism + environmentalism = a loser mentality
Hitler’s definition of the “Aryan man” was a bit too narrow also.
If we are going to triumph, over the globalist-feminist-leftist alliance, we need to define our movement on the basis of a winner mentality right from the start.
My suggestion would be to base it on capitalism and Christianity with some (workable) form of racial identity thrown into the mix.
Caucasian identity + Christianity + Capitalism = a winner mentality
Now there is a workable formula for a white ethnostate.
That’s ridiculous. The powers that be are going to call conservatives & nationalists Nazis regardless. The only effect that will have is removing some of the most ardent supporters of right-leaning politics and weakening their side in the cultural wars even further.
It’s most likely only going to get worse from here.
You people, rather than nipping at the heels of white guys risking their lives, ought be hammering away at the Democrat machine. They broke their own laws by allowing violent thugs to roam the streets with clubs, attacking fellow citizens attempting to exercize their constitutional “rights.”
What do you mean “you people”?
Oh for god’s sake.
Lighten up, Francis.
What do YOU mean “you people”?
What do you people mean by “you people”?
You people sure don’t seem to know what our people see when you people say “you people”.
Immediate retaliation will backfire spectacularly.
Nope, it’s back to the drawing board and maintaining a low profile.
To do what?
organising and information wars.
Why not do both? They’re gonna hate you either way. Why all this fretting about perception? They hate white men whether you persuade, seduce or are violent. They don’t like white guys.
Its not the enemy you are trying to win. Its the normies. When you take a hit, you lay low for a bit, let the heat die down. And during this downtime you fix your weaknesses, lick your wounds and prepare for a comeback.
Whites are losing.
I think it wasn’t so much a disaster as it was an inevitable escalation. The alt right started with talk only to be censored at every occasion. They continued to be peacefull months after the leftists began using violence. Now it’s obvious that the cops (or those who give orders that they obey, same difference) are on the side of the violent leftists. At this point members of a movement have two choices: knuckle under and go quietly into the night or return violence with violence. As time goes on more and more people will make their choice one way or the other. Hard lefties are not reasonable, as shown by their many contradictory demands and fascist totalitarian methods, so you can’t even find common ground.
I think a peaceful resolution would be ideal, but it is also about as likely as it was before the American revolution.
The frog was forced out of the pot with a sudden jolt.
We are involved in an insurgency. With one stupid rally these assholes killed a momentum that been building since Berkeley. The Nazi shit must die. Now. If the leadership cannot learn, they must be removed, forcefully if need be. The only one of these ‘leaders’ who impresses me is Nathan Damigo, who not only seems to be composed, but showed astounding personal courage when he shrugged off police mace, faced down the police line and actually singlehandedly walked them back several paces. He should ditch Spencer and come into his own.
The online and infowar continues of of course. we need to continue the great meme war, and wage war against the SJWs, the media monopolies and free speech restrictions. We need to continue our campaign against antifa.
Meanwhile we build a new movement from the ground up. It should be cellular, based around affinity groups of young men. They remain anonymous in their personal lives and have a very nondescript social media profile. The model should be Generation Identitaire, who do quick and photogenic events intended to be viewed on social media. We must also consider starting up basic disruption.
I like the ‘chad nationalism’ idea, where men strive to improve themselves, dress better, get fit and train together. The new movement must be aspirational and works on actual improvements to the lives of its members.
We must still be prepared to move out and defend public gatherings of rightwingers. And when we do, our cells of fit young men will be there under the appropriate national symbols, mixing humour and hard core patriotism to win support and kick ass.
Dude. FUCK DEFENDING Hitler worshipping hicks with IQ’s of 80. They made their bed so they should lay in it. They deliberately are making this harder on the right. Fuck Spencer too. He can’t even defend his ideology. Weak fuck.
Spencer has never impressed me. His best role is to distract the media from the people who could do the real organising.
I’m new here so let me ask you this. Are you all happy with Muslims moving into white lands? Cuz if you are you’re not European.
Apparently, Roosh is a Trojan Horse. LOL.
if you look back on some articles here posted in the last few months, you will find alot of people in the comments are saying these ‘skirmishers’ are just softening the ripe underbelly of America for the importation of the invading army of islam, like Europe is getting currently.
Well, it seems to me the modus operandi is: You call anyone who objects to their replacement and dhimmitude a Nazi. Then you can do whatever you want to them. You can kill them. That’s hard ball.
The softening up is in academia, mass media, pop culure and “caring” politicians. Seduction and persuasion.
Ah Roosh, you are forgetting your own advice. Pay heed to the nature of the Hegelian. The constant in-fighinig, political divisiveness, and weak leadership that exists everywhere in this world, namely by the well-funded institutions and their Kabbalic masters, will soon be opposed by a force of exact ideological opposition, of sheer brute strength, and unquenchable vengeance.This antithesis will erase the current mockery of establishment. The synthesis will change the victor more than it can expect, and the weak foundation under the world today will no longer support the weight of complete moral and human decadence.
“they doubled down until someone who legitimately believed he was a Nazi killed someone.”
The democrats, a division of the status-quo power structure decided to frame the country into two groups. These groups were democrats and those who supported the democrat and SJW agendas and nazis. This framing has been going on for maybe 18 months now? So why should it be surprise that actual nazis are showing up and people are owning what they’ve been labeled as.
Most humans are pretty simple and symbol minded and if the media frames the debate between democrats and nazis those simple minded people who are easily led and manipulated who don’t like democrats will go with the nazis.
This is an event someone or some group was looking to create. The division, the fights, the whole thing is by design. The typical american ruling class technique of divide and rule.
As unfortunate as it is that women would be discouraged from commenting here, I agree never the less.
People should really start researching the Spanish Civil War, there are a lot of points that can be applied to today’s atmosphere.
The right, under Franco, was not a monolithic force. It was comprised of several right wing factions, allied under a greater cause: fascists, nationalusts, falangists, catholics, monarchists, and the part of the military.
The same with the left: republicans, social democrats, communists, partisans, etc.
Both sides also had outside support, the Nazis supported Franco and the Soviets supported the left. Obviously, Franco won and established a fascist state and was able to unite, for the most part, the different right factions.
There is a lot to be learned and comparisonsee to be drawn to our own times. Study the Spanish Civil War. And read Hemingways “for whom the bell tolls”, even though it’s from the side of the commies, it’s an awesome book filled with masculine red pill truth.
The Second American Civil War will become a proxy war in a matter of days. I know the right wing currently likes to brag about “having all the guns” but the left wing will have their own guns very shortly once the fighting gets serious.
That is probably very true. Many modern civil wars, ie 20th century, we’re proxy wars for other powers or agendas. That does not change my point about the similarities between today and the Spanish civil war
Muslims will be well positioned in a post-human rights world. Good luck guys.
Roosh, you’re wrong we’re not two to four years away, We Are One emboldened Antifa gathering demonstration away from it.
The far left .. I don’t mean old school liberal .. have been moving their people into positions of power since the early 90s, if not earlier. Quietly. And they’ve only just begun to show their true colors. They needs events like Charlottesville to sell their perverse ideology to the average, mainstream American. Up until this weekend the media has largely ignored the formerly tough sell Antifa (blm was an easier pr sell) but just like clockwork, CNN released a “Meet your friendly neighborhood Antifa white knight” piece on Monday. We need someone to fight the Nazis, after all. I suspect even the alt right will be surprised to find just how embedded the far left is.
Roosh, you’re a great guy with the ladies, but we gotta draw the line on Islam.
I was at the rally and there were only a small group that had Klan & Nazi symbolism displayed (which I find cringeworthy btw). It’s also been proven that the MSM were using photos & videos from a prevoius KKK rally that took place a couple months ago. Most of the men I met there were normal hardworking guys who are just tired of seeing their country alienate them.
The MSM hysteria and lying about the event was freakish and scarier than Antifa or a runaway Dodge. In fairness to the planners, there were enough police there for the thing to go off without a major problem, but it was clearly the intent of the Democratic authorities to sabotage it and teach the alt-right a lesson. In past rallies, the police kept the two sides separated without much difficulty – it’s not like Antifa is the Red Army. Now the alt-right can only build slowly based on its truth and its own media, with future speech-making held on private property. Freedom of assembly is not on in Trump’s America.
Btw, I don’t think this event set anything back. The alt-right is a grouping without political power, hated by the political and media establishment and that’s what it was before all this. If anything the ridiculous coverage will help red-pill a few perceptive souls.
Despite the flaws of Nazism, no one today can emulate it because it really only fit in a Germanic model in a certain time period as a certain reaction to sickly elements of early 20th century German society, that is why you will never see any real positive acceptance of it, aside from that there’s the 70 year long brow-beating the zionist shills have instilled in the normals that it is all-evil forever etc etc.
The trouble now is that America needs its own movement in response to the corrupt government that would be like a form of Nazism, only it would take shape as something else. Each response is tailored to the environment that it is in. Nazism, in its own way, was a preventative measure to the pre-multicultural Europe. Because we are living in a post-multicultural landscape, the harsh reaction to rid the world of this multicultural garbage will be a different type of organization.
Instead of a simple action –> reaction, we now have something along the lines of
unable to take action + all reactions are easily defeated = no solution.
The formula has to change. While the elitist scum send their millions of swarthy hordes after the only demographic yet to completely submit to their control, we waste our time dealing with petty protests when the only target should be the source. If you cut the head off of a snake, it will have no direction with which it can concentrate all its venom.
Take a step back from the entire scene of the left / right dichotomy. There is no solution here. It is a self-defeating meme.
The answer must come from outside the modern day political spectrum, and not pay adherence to any of the existing social institution’s anti-values.
Solid
False flag – classic divide and conquer tactics
he needs to do some serious soul-searching on whether he’s the man who can continue as a leader for his followers.
I basically agree with Roosh on this, but who could replace Spencer?
– David Duke is too old.
– Jared Taylor is very intelligent but also too old.
– Matthew Heimbach is 25, chubby, and widely regarded as an Orthodox LARPer. 30-50 year old ex-military men (a key demographic that the Alt-Right needs to win over) don’t want to be lorded over by guys like him.
– Roosh is not part of the historical White American nation (I doubt most in the Alt-Right would consider him to be White).
Is there anyone that could realistically replace Spencer?
Just a suggestion: Maybe a decentralized approach is the way to go.
Nathan Damigo seems as capable as Spencer but without the baggage.
Training78b
Of course the antifa attacked first. The rocks, bottles, acid. Antifa are bolsheviks. They’re the same. THIS is antifa
Could the bolsheviks have been thwarted in Russia in 1917? The modern antifa are entitled white kids led by some trust fund spoiled kids and a good percentage of secular jews.
Should spencer be ‘replaced’? I don’t think it’s possible. Leaders are spawning daily. There are many more grass roots citizens with the same passion for action as Spencer but not vocal. Don’t put your cover and safety in the hands of any leader. Focus more on being in a fraternity of many who can play ball. The antifa is amorphous but fundie money kicks in for busses to shuttle them on the frontline protests. Their M.O. you notice in the above video, the ‘red’, ‘green’, and ‘yellow’ light grouping. Still the media and judiciary contain marxists who are just as devoted and cultive as the antifa. Under a marxist dictatorship, antifa are a spent force. Once their chaos is over, their anarchy is a joke. They get flushed down the toilet, long knived and purged. OUR security rests on the awareness that the antifa wish to slit the throats of white males no more or less that their more mature formidable seniors and elders who have careered in leftist government enforcement/advocacy and academia.
Interestingly one of the leaders of this fiasco was an Obongo supporter and only displayed ideological similarities to Trump supporters from November 2016. Can anybody say agent provocateur and sabouteurs?
It’s patently obvious that nationalist movements are being infiltrated by fifth columnists who seek to destabilise and discredit those whom fight against the Leftoids.
And what happens when these infiltrators enter is that there is both promotion of the weak within the group and there is attacks and defamation of the brains. Infiltrators also start drama like a pro female. Wiith infiltrators lurking, the capable and brains of a group get set up and surgically removed while the problematic, loose cannon and toothless get encouraged and promoted. It’s the same promotion and bolstering of weakness you see with the welfare/nanny state making pedestalized and important people (state dependents/customers) out of the most irresponsible retarded slobs that dwell in projects and council housing.
Excellently put. You have masterfully summed up the dynamics at work in such a situation.
Toothless as in Deliverance..
Digital184s
I’m wondering how many of these “neo nazis” and other far right dickheads were actually antifa plants and socialist agitators. It’s exactly the kind of shit they’d stoop to. As for the car plowing incident, even Leftipedia hasn’t mentioned that Fields was an alt right Hitler lover.. I’d love to see what “evidence” NY Times has about his so-called political beliefs.
Events like these are the best thing for the Alt Right moving forward. The Alt Right must push push and push some more. Corner the left and make them squirm. The more insane Antifa acts and the more the police state muscles around reasonable people, the more fence-sitters and middle class people will get on board with the idea of a New America or a balkanized America or a completely new country – whatever.
“Regardless of the peaceful intent of the alt right protest, I believe this was a catastrophe that has given the establishment key momentum to marginalize and harm dissidents whose ideology is not based solely on white nationalism.”
The establishment was going to do that anyways. These events make them reveal their hand.
No. Sane people on the right saw the Nazi and SS flag saluting fucks and said “I want nothing to do with those people” and now if civil war was to erupt these Nazi sympathizers would be alone. Some BLM member could kill them and most Whites wouldn’t give a shit.
Roosh underlines a quandry for the right. Leftist violence ignored, rightist trumpeted in media. Right has no friends in the establishment, but rightists have to make a living and pay the bills like everyone else.
I do not set foot in demonstrations now. I do not post on facebook politics, although I may post something like Jordan Peterson, as he is about the only rightist who has somewhat an aura of respectability.
My workplace is setting up a huge White Privilege program, not sure what it will look like. Just hope I can survive 6 years and ten more months to retire. I may engage in activism then, but in the meantime, it is……KEEP YOUR HEAD LOW.
It is possible to have a low grade resistance, I think, without sacrificing livelyhood. If you know you are in danger by speaking out, you can at least say nothing. Rather than becoming the confessing parrot who bows before the Inquisition and screams incriminations against himself.
If you cannot speak out, at least you can lend moral and financial support to those who are in a position to speak out.
I personally do not plan on being one of the folks throwing back bottles of urine and feces at antifa. Because when you appear on CNN as a dung flinger, remember you will be denounced for hate and fired from your job. The antifa instigator will get a free pass.
Rightists have more friends than they know. Once you can see the signs that a common person has much pent up dissatisfaction with the system but they’re inhibited from vocalizing it, you tell them your spot. The more enunciated you are in describing the situation to them, they too open up. There has been an assault on our vocabulary for one, and ideas get supressed. It only comes out as emotion or misguided action. We must work to make the common man a stronger and more aware and articulated observer of the works being done against our culture. Some late ‘red pill’ bloomers mature in ways they never knew were possible when exposed to a community of like minded traditionalists or renaissance right who are bent and driven to regain control of their environment. In universal law, the will to control your environment is a right.
Rightists have more friends than they know. Once you can see the signs that a common person has much pent up dissatisfaction with the system but they’re inhibited from vocalizing it, you tell them your spot. The more enunciated you are in describing the situation to them, they too open up. There has been an assault on our vocabulary for one, and ideas get supressed. It only comes out as emotion or misguided action. We must work to make the common man a stronger and more aware and articulated observer of the works being done against our culture. Some late ‘red pill’ bloomers mature in ways they never knew were possible when exposed to a community of like minded traditionalists or renaissance right who are bent and driven to regain control of their environment. In universal law, the will to control your environment becomes a right.
Rightists have more friends than they know. Once you can see the signs that a common person has much pent up dissatisfaction with the system but they’re inhibited from vocalizing it, you tell them your spot. The more enunciated you are in describing the situation to them, they too open up. There has been an assault on our vocabulary for one, and ideas get supressed. It only comes out as emotion or misguided action. We must work to make the common man a stronger and more aware and articulated observer of the works being done against our culture. Some late ‘red pill’ bloomers mature in ways they never knew were possible when exposed to a community of like minded traditionalists or renaissance right who are bent and driven to regain control of their environment. In universal law, the will to control your environment becomes a natural right.
What I would do about the White Privilege Program is simply slack off at work in a way they can’t pin it on you. Don’ be diligent in what you do, appear to have high productivity while producing mediocrity. Take longer, more frequent bath breaks. Don’t be the guy who attends to detail.
Also, the antifa instigator most likely doesn’t have a job to lose.
Beyond these alt right, alt lite, or whatever name one relates to, here is a much mort important strategy for real influence in the future.
1. Primary: Focus on self-improvement in parallel with a move to a more rural state like Idaho, Ohio, Montana, Norta Dakota or Colorado (if you not already live there). Have 3-5 kids with a decent wife. Raise them more conservative.
2. Secondary: Build networks offline and online. Not extreme nationalism or anything, just sane shit.
Similar things apply to people in other Western countries as well.
Ohio isn’t very rural at all. But a move to such an industrialized and urbanized state would be strategic in shifting politics to the right since it like Pennsylvania its neighbor is a swing state. Ohio borders my state. It is mostly city after city though.
Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t an Anti Trumper shoot a member of the GOP last week, double tap to the head in front of his wife?…….MSM? Not a dickie bird………
They make that into stale old news as quickly as possible. Still they’re trying to assisinate trump. It’s all about cornering Trump into a position where an assaination attempt would appear plausible. Like with Korea. If trump were to launch an attack, then the assasins would appear on his way to the war room and it would look plausible that doomsday was averted. Trump has these same bastards trying to corner him into being plausibly assasinated from more than one angle now. His statement against ‘bigotry’ and ‘hate’ must have been worded by dubious advisors to trigger some loose cannon right dissatisfactos into taking his speech as a declaration of being a traitor thereby increasing the chance that yet another plausible attack on the President is iminent. We must pray for Trump. And swear off our enemy. Many common men are cornered in much the same way that Trump is being cornered by plausible excuses for assasination attempts. Men are cornered and ripped to shreds like flying batshit demons were in the air everywhere. Divorce court assaults the common man from one angle and chops off his arms. HR pummels him from another angle and chops off his legs. Leftist college shoved a suction catheter up his nose and removed his brains. His children shot up with autism vaccines were like cupid taking a baseball bat to his chest. Then the tax man comes and scalps the man’s head and finally the fat bitch family court judge rips the man’s balls off, throws them on the ground and stomps on them screaming like rabid banshee. MY GOD what is left of the man? HOW CAN WE TAKE this lying down. WE SHANT no more.
There is a meme doing the rounds, can’t find it now, of whites in a group on their own and the multi-coloured bubble heads pointing at them calling them “racists”. The whites say “ok we’ll go over here to be on our own”. They move away from the multi coloured bubble heads….. who still chant “racists”. Everything you want to know about multiculturalism. They want what we’ve created over 2,000 years……
I haven’t seen the one you’re talking about, but I saw this one & it definitely reminds me of the media today. If you’re a white man & you don’t apologize for it you’re automatically Hitler.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7017a4e132548ffa30560e1ae89657689740103263009e59d22463c2bca50793.jpg
It was designed to discredit the right. The whole thing has HOAX written all over it.
It’s all being professionally spun. Every detail is juiced and spun. If it were just Duke, Spencer and the others having an impromptu meetup, there would be no fodder to spin. Duke’s books belong in any library for their realism. He also reiterates non violence. The spin doctors had a frenzy with this one. Some socialist service whacks put a piece out in MSM how Duke was an extreme cheapskate, how he supposedly took his daughters out to Mcdonalds only and only got them hamburgers and not cheeseburgers, saying that he’s not made of money, and then the piece claimed he went out gambling afterwards. His daughters are grown now but I’ve heard the same pattern ‘cheeseburger’ story used by socialist workers trying to build a case for snatching kids in their racketeering/trafficking operations. They have a whole handbook of plausible sounding complaints and bullshit that they use to patch together a smear job on a ‘bad dad’. They are all lying feminist witches. They are wayward western women who should have forgone stupid shitlib college, stayed home to breed, tit feed and service their patriarch master.
You wrote all this for what again?
For the life of me, I can’t understand how Spencer came to be seen as the leader of anything. The guy is a complete tool. He was a tool before the rally. He was a tool during the rally. And he’s still a tool now that the rally is over. If the alt-right is going to be effective, they REALLY need to start choosing their leaders more carefully.
I think he’s more up on his optics than strategy………
The orginizer of this was Jason Kessler who was an Obama supporter. Kessler didn’t start his white nationalist activism until after Donald Trump won the White House. Prior to that it appears he participated in the far left/socialist Occupy Wall Street movement as noted by the far-left, George Soros-funded Southern Poverty Law Center.
Couple this with the non-stop Trump and conservative hate on the media, this reeks like a false flag op.
I alluded to such also. It’s a shining example of a fifth columnist infiltrating and causing problems. Such sabouteurs and provacteurs need to be exposed and dealt with brutally.
The official poster for the event also had nazi symbols and imagery on it. When I first saw the poster I thought it was a smear job by leftists, but later when I realized it was the real poster, I told myself I would not send any support to the event in any way….even if I agreed with some of the reasons for the protest. I believe several other right leaning groups backed out of these event for similar reasons. Conservatives and right wingers better be more careful who they’re aligning with.
“Conservatives and right wingers better be more careful who they’re aligning with.”
Reverse that. Conserveratives should verify who is trying align with them. The left are masters at smear campagins and Alinksy antics.
I would add if a bunch of communists and national socialists want to beat each, why stop them? Let them have at it and hope they both lose.
Good points, but as we’re seeing, anyone on the right is getting lumped in with the national socialists (though the fake stream media would never use that term, just nazi).
Not suprising as it’s a favorite slur of theirs, but anyone not in lock step with the left is always is maligned as a nazi or racist. Does anyone believe they have any meaning anymore?
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To me personally, no….it’s just a slur as you said. Unfortunately, many are still misinformed by the MSN and believe this narrative, and that’s frustrating. It does seem like a lot of people are starting to smell the BS, which is a good sign.
Nice chart lol!
To be honest, this event has black pilled the hell out of me. We’ve had the dissident right split into two factions. The alt-right and the alt-light. And ironically, the only thing that the Unite The Right rally accomplished for me personally, was to cause me to lose all respect for both groups.
On one hand, we had the alt-right, led by a completely unprepared, mugging attention whore, waving Nazi flags and performing Roman salutes. The left and the MSM couldn’t possibly have hoped for a better visual of inept, cartoon villains. (That’s not to say that I place the blame on all of the attendees, but the leadership was ridiculously bad). ]
And on the other hand, the alt-light was tripping all over themselves to denounce the evil white racists and cuck for virtue signalling points with people who see absolutely no difference between them and the people they were eagerly vilifying. “See? The Alt-right are the REAL racists!” Sorry guys, but you’re either for free speech and/or freedom of assembly, or you’re not. It’s not about whose ideology is correct. It’s about freedom and the right of people in this country to speak their minds.
Kudos to you, Roosh. This is about the only take I’ve seen from anyone on the right that I actually respect. You didn’t endorse or excuse the idiocy of the rally leadership, but you also didn’t cuck out and denounce their right to speech or their right to hold a rally. Your article was pragmatic, forward thinking, and much needed.
Biggest take away from this article and something I thought to myself after seeing what happened to Baked Alaska, is that you better have your head on a constant swivel and be ready to cause some serious damage because serious damage is looking for you. And if you are just looking to protest for free speech or troll Bolsheviks and other assorted leftists than you’re probably better off just staying at home.
The Right and conservatives are suffering horribly from a branding problem as now the media has fully equated them with being aligned with the Alt Right/”Nazi” and “white supremacists”.
What the traditionally Constitution minded Americans, Christians, true conservatives, and white folks need to do is stop allowing the Antifa scum and Marxists from labeling them by taking over the narrative and instead of playing the identity games with their separate interests, to also all themselves under a new name of Traditionalists or Separatists who what to opt out of the current trend to the sick progressive and Marxists political correctness bullshit and instead wish to be left alone to their beliefs, to opt out of financial and any moral support of the Progressive Marxists demands, small controlled limited government at all levelsand to force to end state funded welfare programs, health care, abortion and withdraw their tax support to a separate establish political party (NOT under the Republican stained identity). It means they have to economically boycott and shun all things that fit and support the Marxist agenda.
If this whole thing is going to be branded/labeled and driven by the leftists media and progressive scum, these groups I mentioned above need to defuse and remove themselves from their current identity and start a single unified party identity to re-establish themselves as a united power behind Traditional American values and freedom and swear off the poisoned notion of them being racists and other tagged negative labels. It would mean that the individual issues need to be quieted and a unified return to traditionalism becomes the focus
I agree with what you are saying.
But, they have an objective. So it matters not what you do or say…
All of your points will be screamed at as -> hate, fascist, nazi, bogot, kkk, white supremisist.
The name change is paramount. I would rather be recognized as being a traditionalist or separatist than the current paradigm labels of conservative (which is irreparable damaged goods) or Independent (which smacks of being used to HELP Antifa as being fence riding, or Christian or White (now hate identity labels), Right or Alt Right (also hate labels). Separatist (OPT OUT party) says I’m done with this, you cannot make that label equate to hate at all. a label like Traditionalist could be reinterpreted but it is hard to do so as that word doesn’t evoke in peoples minds a negative connotation except that it is not a Progressive one .
I dont have a MSM tv.
Have only seem some on-line imagery.
But, I’ve read much of what happened, and seems all stories are aligned.
Mayor, Military, Media are aligned with Marxist(BLM, black block, antifa )
Thats the enemy, they are united and immune…
Seems too much talk about some far right imagery-who cares??? Mostly itrelevant and likely staged.
Dont punch to the right
And the driver? Intentional or typical panic escape from violent attack?
Didnt want to be “Reginald Dennyed”?
“This is attempted murder!”
No MSM journalist would get away with saying that on the air about a situation like this in our current political environment. I doubt they would even show this on air.
I was thinking the same thing but the reason he didn’t mention it in the article is because it is going directly into the memory hole. The story is, white cis-gender nazi killed someone with his car.
There’s always going to be loose cannons, it’s like a force of nature. In a recent Weimerica podcast this topic was also discussed in relation to some brazen things some leftist journalists are know to say without realising that somewhere out there is a person who might take them out at a few hundred yards if they just push it too far. Anyway, after reading Roosh’s comments and being on the sidelines of one demo, I am also not feeling bad about not attending demos myself with the nothing-to-lose antifas continuously escalating. I watched a bit of one of Spencer’s talks and was not all that impressed or drawn to it, but of course could sympathise. So we continue to keep our side peaceful, but the violence can’t be one-sided forever, and there will always eventually be a loose cannon ready to run amok.
This wasn’t what I expected you to say about this, Roosh. But damn if I can’t help but agree with you. I find the Hitler memes hilarious, but I also realized a long time ago that they are offputting to people without my twisted sense of humor.
Jokes are jokes anywhere, until you factor the idiocy of the general public. The people latching on to Hitler are a culturally bankrupt people using Hitler, as he is the closest signal to say they want to preserve white purity. The jokes will fly over the head of anyone at a protest and you will attract degenerates. Pretty sure you remember the monkey memes and muh white women need preserving memes that the Storm front boys used to bombard this site with.
At this point we should be looking at European Identitarian movements as a template for protest and resistance. There is no place for swastikas at our rallies, it’s just silly and counterproductive.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/af3c93d0e26c370953bceb59204b812d32ca0ea425cb5c258880265c9f09023f.jpg
The movement has got to purge anything Nazi-related from its ranks. Those guys make the rest of us look bad, and we can only win in the long run if we have the support of the populace.
Luckily, Antifa is hated just as much, a fact that the media won’t touch.
I’d also find a way to distinguish between simply making sure “white people don’t get ethnically cleansed 20 years from now”, versus “white supremacy”, but that requires understanding shades of gray and nuanced political beliefs, which most people don’t know how to do.
Here’s some improved symbology:
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2017/08/15/a-rally-symbol-suggestion-for-unite-the-right/
Pretty sure they already have groups of guys that get together and wave dick signs around. They usually have lots of rainbow flags, too. They don’t have rallies so much as they have parades. But they do have a lot of pride, so whatever….
Oh yea. Dammit.
This is what peaceful protest looks like: Me watching TV, “Hmm. I disagree with that, I’m voting against it and teaching my kids that it is wrong.”
There is no fighting “muh feels”. Instead you must utilize them. Eg increased immigration makes it harder for immigrants to find jobs.
This reminds me of when Trump supporters were attacked after some rallies. Cops were no where to be found. Roosh is correct. This is just the beginning of the violence and the authorities are either complicit or on the take. Don’t expect them to do their jobs. Political correctness reigns supreme. Personally, the country needs a reboot or a do over to save it. Too far gone.
Article V Convention of the States
The police will never bite the hand that feeds them, rights and laws be damned. Obedient lapdogs that when you threaten funding their retirement plans, they quit and retire early. Self preservation is all that their actual guiding principle is. proof of that is in any and every community that has had HUGE spikes in EARLY retirements LATELY as most pension plans are critically underfunded and about to collapse.
McAuliffe wants to run for President in 2020
We’re going through a process of learning what works and what doesn’t, of whose leadership is effective and whose isn’t, of who’s a warrior and who is just a tool. Each failure makes us stronger, as long as we’re willing to learn from it. Acknowledge, assess and adapt.
Because waving SS flags, making Roman salutes and playing into the MSM narrative of “they’re all Nazis” should have worked most likely right?
Read Roosh’s post.
There was no SS flag. Roman salutes are fine, check the Bellamy salute from not long time ago. Don’t let the Jews forbid our symbols.
Symbols are triggering to sensitive and conditioned people only. Islamists in areas controlled by IS are sensitive to sightings of the Christian cross. A witchunt ensues quickly by people who have nothing better to do. Though they’ve broken no law, a Christian or Jew trespassing through an ISIS controlled area triggers the radicalized Islamists and becomes a hunted animal without human rights. A hetero traditional family man in a marxist lesbian compound or HR dominated PC company too becomes an endangered animal without rights, triggering every surrounding bitch with an itch.
“MAGA” drawn in chalk on college sidewalks triggeres otherwise idle minds with a newfound purpose to put their indoctrination to use and do a test run of the ideology download that got hosed into their brain the previous semester. Shitlib college chicken necks with brainstems are always trying see if their tuition pays off. Nope. Never does. It triggers them totally stupid.
Gay pride flags are triggering images that look colorfully infantile like something intended to decorate a kid’s birthday party but they hurn no one. The homo act shreds the anus and fags become lifelong spongebob shittypants, but the rainbow flags in themselves harm no one and would actually be quite fitting at a sno-cone stand or ice cream parlor.
A swastika looks like an interesting thing you would doodle when bored in class but it triggers the biggest boredest idiots in the class. A star of David looks somewhat like a Chinese checkers game board but it triggers too. An image of suffering gay men with wrecked colons who wince as they try to grin with pride whilst embracing each other and licking on pink penis lollipops is a harmless image too but I would shield my children’s impressionable eyes from the image. Images are innocuous and harmless in themselves.
An image on a big 100 foot billboard sign of a huge shining swastika that pulsates and radiates like the sun while beaming light over depictions of 50s era Cleaver families and their white children posing and tanning beneath its rays with the skyline of a futuristic Aryan supercity in the background is an image I can’t recall ever seeing along the roadways, but it might trigger an unstable person. Unstable people are easily triggered.
A Mcdonalds billboard of a sizzling quarter pounder may trigger unstable animal rights whackos to suffer meltdowns but others still are triggered to salivate. Images and symbols are just that and nothing more. Be respectful and don’t paint an image over someone else’s paint job. Flags and placards do no harm and don’t ruin good paint. Sidewalk chalk is absolutely okay. If you don’t like my chalk, then get your own chalk. But don’t dare come with activist judiciary trying to sue me at gunpoint over a chalk image. The roundabout abuse of power against the conservative/right tries to criminalize any attempt for the right to be vocal. And right leaning chalk sidewalk renderings trigger dangerous witchunts with extremist officials hell bent on swatting, doxxing and suing. Left activist administrators and prosecutors should rightfully be removed. I don’t see any official effort underway to sue the MS13 graffiti artists who use permanent enamel paint. Only a chalk “MAGA” gets headlines, swatting and wanted posters.
The stated goals of antifa are to engage in meme/symbol warfare and attack what are defined as opposing symbols. Their aim is to erase all identity of race, culture or sexuality. They do the bidding of controlling elites but are encouraged to live slovenly, malnourished and recreationally self medicated. Their fodder will never put two and two together and realize they are serving the ends of a corrupt establishment, an establishment they would distance themselves from otherwise. The establishment always flushes out the rabble rousers once their job is done, once their chaos has destabilized the outgoing system.
For everyone in these comments counter signaling Nazis. I started reading this site three years ago looking for dating advice and how to deal with women. I was a basic bitch libertarian white guy who just wanted to be left alone in a sane society and have a family some day. If you haven’t noticed, in the current year that makes you a Nazi. If I’ve picked up any good tip on game here, it’s that agree and amplify works. The Nazi slur is a political shit test. Just agree and amplify, it works.
Same progress here. Four years ago, libertarian. Now, “nazi”; especially on the women part.
Yea acting defensive gets no where with women and marxists
I use it to hilarious effect. If anyone calls me ‘Hitler’ I laugh it off and say I’m Ultra Hitler Stalin Mao and build up the absurdity.
clearly you are joking shl . nothing is dumber that doing something like that.
The police are definitely protecting our destroyers as well as aiding them.
this graphic sums it up well
http://68.media.tumblr.com/0391198020ebbb065219bca2ac1448fc/tumblr_ouopvdY7PI1r54qfqo1_1280.jpg
Indeed. Naziism and Communism and that Antifag idiocy all are the same shit if and when they use violence to try to achieve their aims they have no moral high ground to stand on. Once they do so they have no right in a representative democracy to try to get their ideas heard and must be crushed.
Wrong. A tactical setback. A strategic victory. You will see.
I was really out of the loop on this one – was this an actual “Nazi/KKK” gathering? The first person of the story told me it was “literally a racist gathering of the Nazi/KKK”. Alt-right != Nazi as far as I know. Was it an alt-right gathering? Or some combination of groups? Are they just trying to muddy the waters by calling the alt-right Nazis and KKK or were those guys actually there?
Of course I can’t even Google this because pages and pages of CNN bullshit using buzzwords like “white supremacist” pop up.
It was promoted as an Alt-Right rally, but there were some agents provocateur dressed in KKK robes and holding Nazi flags. There was also that Hitler-worshipping social retard who killed that SJW woman.
Ah, that makes sense. So if there were 5 Nazi LARPers, it’s now “literally a Nazi gathering”. Gotta love that spin… and morons fall for it.
If it were an SJW who killed an alt-righter, though, (((they)))’d just be banging on about Game of Thrones and/or the Kardashians.
So true!
Sort of random, but the use of Game of Thrones isms – or anything else from a TV show, like when all those fatasses dresses up as characters from the Handmaids Tale – in real, serious settings always makes me laugh. Like how they were shouting “Shame” at Trump at the press conference recently. How can people not feel like a huge joke? Not sure anything can make people look more disconnected from reality.
I watched a lot of video.
So far – Zero nazi stuff..
Plenty of typical antifa phsychotic violent behavior
The commie cat ladies are going full retard at museum of natural history(teddies statue and house) and trump tower (Mr Trumps house).
Its not going to end at statues
I suggest leaving the U.S. for a while or moving to flyover country. Big lib cities is where the worst fighting will begin.
All i care about is stopping socialism, stopping globalism, stopping the open border policies, and eventually stopping feminism.
The pro white or pro christian idealists should pick their battles one at a time. Sure its not fair that you cant where a nazi uniform to school, or bible thump with a megaphone outside of planned parenthood.
But if we lose the socialism war , we wont have food or toilet paper. I think thats a bit more serious.
We’ve already lost the feminism war, and look at our divorce rates.
We’ve lost the open border war, and look how many jobs are immediately filled by immigrants. This brings wages down for entire industries.
We’ve already lost the globalism war when you see that over 25,000 factories have left the country in the last decade.
Lets pick our battles and distance ourselves from the extremists. Let the god emperor do his negotiations without feeding his damn trolls with more support for their narrative.
Ah I wouldn’t say the feminism war is lost, just a work in progress….. in regard to the other wars you mentioned if Terminator has taught us anything it’s that the future is not written…..
Until we can evolve stronger, more charismatic leadership and a cadre of foot soldiers with grit and mettle, my counsel would be to fall back on what worked so well for us in November: Keep your head down, your mouth shut – and vote.
Capital71b
Thanks for the analysis Roosh. I haven’t researched the whole mess, and to have your larger perspective on it is helpful. What I take away from this event, which would really bother the antifa-Soros types…..
These ain’t your grandfathers type of Nazis.
Pretty dismal approach to getting your message out.
https://youtu.be/_zGVQVtjO5k
What really happened in Charloteville
After watching the clip below, there’s no way you can argue with the claim that by no means were all the alt-right protesters hardened nazi thugs….
Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!
https://latest.com/2017/08/watch-scared-white-power-thug-cant-wait-to-renounce-his-cause-when-confronted/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=website&utm_content=link&ICID=ref_fark
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So the guy in the middle is Matthew Heimbach, founder of the Traditionalist Worker’s Party. According to the Indiana press anyway the appearance of the group led to the first major violent episode and later he ordered the metal police barricades pushed down, whereupon the state police ended the gathering.
“But as he entered the intersection just outside Emancipation Park, Heimbach and members of his Traditionalist Workers Party were met by counterprotesters who had formed a blockade. A melee ensued, with people being flung to the ground in what was the first in a series of violent
episodes that turned a graceful college town into a battleground.
…
Heimbach…was present in Emancipation Park long enough to get a face full of pepper spray. And then, as groups on both extremes of the ideological divide hurled objects and insults, Heimbach ordered his followers to push down the metal police barricades that cut the park into separate zones. Within minutes, state troopers stepped in with their order to end the gathering. It’s unclear if the actions were connected.”
http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2017/08/12/unite-right-white-nationalist-rally-charlottesville-erupts-violence/562095001/
Heimbach also known for pushing a black woman at a Trump rally. (Could be birddogging?)
Guarantee none of these dorks talk to girls or make money.
The lesson is very clear: you don’t want losers even trying to hover around your movement, lest they claim to be part of it.
So, no “Heil Heimbach” from you either?
If Soros/Dems/etc aren’t paying this guy they ought to be.
the problem isn’t Left or Right, the problem is young people.
So this is the man whose statue they want to tear down and whose memory they want to vilify – a very moving scene from the movie “Gettysburg “, in which the actors spontaneously began cheering in an unscripted scene as the great Robert E. Lee rode among them:
Where’s all the 14/88 guys in the comment section? Seemed to have disappeared
I’m still here and not planning to leave anytime soon.
We have to always keep in mind the possibility of a false flag attack directed by globalists and the deep state in order to associate everyone who supports Trump and opposes BLM, Antifa, etc to Neo-Nazism.
When you successfully label a group as evil incarnate, then all attacks made against that group will sound justifiable, no matter if done by paramilitary organizations or even state agencies.
Nice sentiments, but the enemy is irrational and rabid. You can not make nice or cutesy with a rabid dog. You can not win people to your side by taking a knee and inviting the enemy to strike you. What, are you going to turn the other cheek to show those still slumbering in The Jew Matrix that you are ‘better than the leftist/antifa and will not stoop to their level’? Only works in Hollyjew movies, not real life. Please do not bother to mention Ghandi and MLK civil disobedience. Their opponents were civilized white men who cucked out and paid the price for it.
WAKE UP, people! Alt-Left and Alt-Right are run by the same forces… the goal is “divide and conquer”.
I wonder when some SJW will notice that the Finnish Air Force still uses a Swastika flag?
https://flagspot.net/images/f/fi%5Eaf.gif
Also when will they notice the Swastika on the flag of the President of Finland?
https://flagspot.net/images/f/fi-pres.gif
The SJW cunts will also be triggered by the flag of the Utti Jaeger Battalion of the Finnish Army, which trains and equips their Special Forces and helicopter forces:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c2/UtJR_flag.gif
I’m actually worried for my country, really worried
I’m not, those that deserve to be culled are throwing themselves into the grinder..WIN WIN WIN for the rest of us. Just wait until the government adds its intervention into things, then the culling will go into high gear. this is house cleaning long overdue.
We’re in a war.
There will be set backs. We’ll still win.
Why is it all the Neo Nazi’s are not blonde blue eyed physically Adonis’s?
All of them looked geeked out tattooed overweight Tour of Duty flunky heroes? They could fix half of their issues with a meth addiction, gene therapy can’t fix the rest yet.
The ACLU was supporting the white nationalists, defending them to assemble in public. They now reversed their position.
Constitution…what do we need that for when all that matters is liberal scum feelings…..?
ACLU clearly cares about pushing a political narrative. That’s why it’s dangerous to get involved with these alternative political movements.
Just don’t bother, fix things that you can fix.
It doesn’t matter at this point. Antifa nihilists just needed Charlottesville to be their moving point to starting a civil war. they haven’t start shooting yet, but have made it clear and by the near instant spreading of other violence at the nearly nationwide “demonstrations”, they have no intent of stopping, so the discussion is kind of moot. They wanted this destruction, they will get it no matter what, and they proven they will do anything to get it. They want to see the nation burn for their entertainment because of their childishness and petulant tantrums and Deep State support to wreck America all along. They will regret doing it in the end, but oh well. The road to bloody ruin has been started and cannot be stopped, they started it rolling and built the needed momentum from these cry babys and traitors… soon it will eat them.
Nihilism is far worse than racism, nihilism is suicidal and homicidal to start with with no other motivation than to destroy. At least racism has a basis. Accordingly, their atrocities to come will reflect that lack of concern and lack of humanity. After all what kind of monster attacks innocent people with acid? Yeah, that kind of vicious asshole, just like Muzzie terrorists (ala ISIS).
Antifa did not show up for the annual Israel Day Parade, that alone exposes who they really are, they don’t give damn about fighting fascism. After all Israel’s policies are some of the harshest of any Western nation.
White people are being told in the media that even their children are evil for being white. Does it really matter what liberals say about us? The media war is lost.
Rachel Dolezal was far more astute than we give her credit for
For those who defended those Antifa assholes for their actions last week in Charlottesville let me hit you with some truth. Antifa are not fucking heroes and their is nothing morally righteous about them whatsoever. Reality is they are a group of young brittle boned pricks who commits acts of violence against those who they they disagree which Antifa has done multiple times.
Based on the videos that I have seen on YouTube and the article that Matt Forney posted on Return Of Kings this is Antifa tactics 101 on how this shit show went down. Some guys hold their own rally,non violent mind you at first,Antifa shows up with weapons in hand looking for a fight,and with both sides not backing down in each other’s paths the fight begins and things went down from there.
I’m no fan of the Alt-Right and I’m sure as hell not a follower of Richard Spencer either but I guarantee you no fight would have went down if Antifa wasn’t there. Also they were completely 100% justified in fighting back against those assholes because Antifa are the one who started the fight and you have to be the biggest cucked motherfucker on the planet to think that they were sit there and take a beating from a bunch of scrawny twenty year old kids. So yeah they got what they had coming to them in the end,the ass kicking they so richly deserved.
As always those Antifa motherfuckers are always trying to intimidate folks who they don’t agree with into shutting down their rallies or events through violence and again they have done this multiple times over. At this year’s Presidential Inaguration when they turned DC into a fucking war zone attacking Trump supporters or anyone who as attention the speech Trump planned on giving,attacking fans of Milo at Berkeley during his lecture tour which had to be cancelled due to the chaos they caused,and again at the same location trying to shut down a pro-free speech rally which led to one of the biggest brawls that I had ever seen in my lifetime which had me smiling from ear to ear seeing those Antifa faggots getting the beat down they deserved. I could go on and on about the shit they have done but it would take forever doing that so I’ll leave at that but it should be enough to show how fucking disgusting and vile these Antifa shitheads are.
So President Trump did the right thing by calling those pricks out for their actions as well even though he didn’t call them out by name and referred to them as the “Alt-Left” lol. Hey it’s better than nothing I guess. But if I were him I would have declared Antifa a domestic terrorist organization plain and simple because they commit acts of violence against those for further their shitty political agenda which is the dictionary definition of terrorism and they have demonstrated that time and time again especially this year and last year as well.
The people who defend these assholes you do it for two reasons number one you listened to the mainstream media’s bullshit (which makes you a fucking idiot who knows butt fuck nothing about them or situation at hand) and two you have no direct experience with them like I did in the past which led to me having to fold one of those bastards up like fucking bed sheets(that’s a topic for another day) as well as manosphere member Matt Forney who had to leave the country because Antifa doxxed his information making it easier for them to track his location for them to go after him which they have done before.
I’m a man of principle who values honor,courage,and strength. Antifa demonstrates none of those traits whatsoever at all which is why I have zero respect for them and for anyone who supports them. Their ideology is as weak and fragile as they are and they are pathetic fucking cowards who hide behind the establishment that protects them. Antifa are not heroes they are a bunch of no nothing spineless sacks of shit who deserves to have the fucking boot on their scrawny necks a thousand times over.
A total disaster! a pretty obvious set up. The Alt right is clearly already infiltrated. Or, even worse just plain old stupid. Finance and hacking are the real blind spots of the left. I’d be using that not muzzle to muzzle dog fighting in the streets.
This was a false flag! Both sides were sent in by the same group of puppet masters. The globalists are up to their old tricks again!
Excellent article. One further point for emphasis: Richard Spencer looks for all the world to be a deep state operator. The deep state has infiltrated many so-called “right” organizations for years to monitor and manipulate them. All of Spencer’s behavior fits right in with that model. After this disaster, anyone who follows this guy is a loser who is playing into enemy hands.
Well, Roosh, your hindsight is 20/20.
Had you predicted what ultimately happened? That was a rhetorical question.
Your suggestions for future rallies are sound, but you need to lose the smugness.
Anyone who knows me, knows I do not carry water for Nazis. But the Nazis are not always the bad guys.
I don’t believe that James Alex Fields Jr. committed Murder 1, Murder 2, or that he panicked. I believe that he acted in reasonable self-defense, in a refusal-to-die situation. His problem is that blacks have a license to kill, and whites have a duty to die.
Just a couple of days after Steve Bannon left, Trump is taking HR McMaster’s position on Afghanistan, he is towing the traditional neoliberal line on global conflicts. Already Breitbart started attacking the Trump administration, Bannon said he is using the platform to fight for Trump, but really Trump’s actions are based upon people that surround him, even if Trump shares nationalist views, they are being muffled by the globalists that now completely outnumber him in the White House.
Does Trump really believe appeasement is the way to get the elites off his back? Mueller hasn’t closed his probe yet, and he expanded it recently.
Watch him to go back to the Paris Climate Accords, he never said he was pulling out but renegotiating the terms, so in essence he believes in man made global warming. Him and Macron share more in common than I previously thought. After all Trump is a man who has rubbed shoulders his whole life with financial elites, from college to the boardroom to the White House.
Well Trump finally hit Antifa. He’s firing back. Maybe he would be better without Bannon.
I trolled The Daily Stormer for awhile,trying to convince Andrew Anglin that the jackbooted thugs otherwise known as police were not on his side. He didn’t listen.
I agree, it’s like Jews marching with “We hate goys”…
Guys wtf. Okay, I am a foreigner, I just ready the news. They said: a “federal judge” put a hold on Trump’s travel ban from some muslim countries. So it couldn’t take effect. Now a “federal judge” gave clearance for this rally. How on earth could a mayor or governor override this, If the POTUS (imho a way stronger office) could be stopped by a fed judge? I can’t catch this.
Roosh, you have no reason to care what I think or say because you don’t know me. Still I would like to say these words of yours are a relief to years of growing frustration. We do need to square with the ugly reality no matter how unfair it is and thank God someone in the movement finally has the nuts, the intelligence, and the platform to recognize that.
Unfortunately, however, we can stop neither neo-Nazis and white supremacists from mobilizing nor the Establishment from telling the gullible public that the alt-right consists exclusively of the aforementioned groups. I consider myself to be alt right (voted for Trump just as a middle finger to the Establishment) but am not a white supremacist nor _necessarily_ a nationalist (on the fence there). I was under the impression that was true of many who consider themselves to belong to the alt right. If so, then we were helpless to prevent the Charlottesville disaster from occurring; frankly, it was all but inevitable.
As for violence… What is left to us? Domestic terrorism may be our only option left apart from total submission to the Zeitgeist and Powers That Be.
At a bare minimum, we need to find ways to work together to survive our specific, local circumstances. I’ve always been a fan of ROK but wound up browsing the site again after looking for help dealing with female co-workers and managers. As that article put it, a woman controls my paycheck and there is nothing to make her use that power responsibly.
Whatever we do, I would suggest that we need a thoroughly pragmatic focus. We need to decide what to do. We need to _act_.