Let’s face it: sexually active people have accidents. Shit happens, that’s life. But we know that men have no reproductive rights in opting out of a being a parent. With only two birth control options available to men (a condom and a vasectomy) the words you use to get your girl off the fence about having an abortion must be well thought out. If you are not ready to be a father, the following arguments may help you convince a girl to get an abortion. The first two methods I describe below have worked for me in separate instances for the two abortions I have paid for. I know other guys who simply did not say the right things or trusted her to “make the right decision.” Well, now they are stuck paying child support for children they barely see.
The first method is most applicable for a girl who is a long term booty call or girlfriend; basically, a girl who believes there is an emotional element to your sexual relationship. For these situations I recommend the “Hail Mary,” a term referring to the end of an American football game when a team attempts a difficult play in a last ditch effort to win. The concept of a “Hail Mary” has been popularized by radio personality Tom Leykis who created this strategy based on his own personal experience with convincing past girlfriends to get abortions.
How The “Hail Mary” Works
You need to bring up the subject of abortion with every ounce of verbal finesse and situation-appropriate sensitivity. You should sound as sincere as possible and tell her that you want her to be the mother of your children one day, but that now is not the right time to start a family. Explain you want to wait until you are further along in your career/life goals and you can afford to give your future family all the comforts of life you cannot deliver today. Finally, explain if she has the abortion now, you will be able to plan your lives together so that everything is perfect. Then, after she agrees and has the abortion, dump her. It’s called a “hail mary” in part because of its difficulty to execute, so if you stay with her post-abortion and she becomes pregnant again you’re really fucked.
The second method is best used on girls where minimal emotions were involved in the sexual relationship: infrequent booty calls, ONS girls, or as a secondary method if the “hail mary” does not work on your girlfriend. I call it the asshole method.
How The Asshole Method Works
You need to channel your inner cold, unforgiving, unapologetic asshole nature, as nothing less will suffice. You must not ask, but rather tell her to get an abortion because if she refuses this child will be a bastard. Explain to her in no uncertain terms that you will not be a father to this child. I would avoid personal shots of telling her she is unfit to be a mother because this could backfire on you, but make it clear that if she keeps the baby you will be opting out of fatherhood. Explain that while she may end up collecting the minimum in child support that the state can take from you, in no way will you participate in raising this kid or being a father to it. To instill the seriousness of your message, add that you will refuse any efforts in the future to include you in the child’s life.
Once you have laid out your position, get your car keys and tell her you will drive her to the abortion clinic, pay for it, and have her take care of it today so you both can move on with your lives. Explain that since it is early in the pregnancy she only needs to take a pill (different from the morning after pill) to trigger the abortion. The most important part in executing the asshole method is that you keep your emotions in check the whole time. If you budge on that, she could doubt your sincerity and be swayed to keep the kid.
The third method has not been tested by me but it is worth mentioning as a creative way of convincing a girl to get an abortion. I call this method the wildcard method.
How The Wildcard Method Works
Think about what causes normal couples wanting to have children to get an abortion. If an ultrasound finds that the child has a developmental problem like down syndrome, many couples choose to abort. You can use this knowledge to your advantage because you can tell the girl that a rare genetic disease is common in your family. You should tell her you would love to have children but it would be unfair to risk the possibility of this disease (ideally use one which causes an early death and/or horrible lifestyle conditions while alive) being passed on to future generations. To add color to your story, bring up a nonexistent sibling and tell her that you are still recovering from their painful passing a few years ago.
To help convince her that this is a family disease, take pictures. This might require you to spend an afternoon volunteering at a hospital or center for developmentally disabled people. Take a picture of someone who could pass as a relative (similar skin tone is probably all you need). This is just an example, but do whatever you think is necessary to sell the seriousness of this genetic disease to her. Explain that having a kid with your DNA would be like playing Russian roulette with someone’s life. If she is still on the fence have her watch the film Tiptoes with Matthew McConaughey and tell her what your siblings, uncles, cousins have lived through makes dwarfism seem like a walk in the park. While this method could require some acting on your part, if you sell it well enough she will be offering to pay for the abortion.
Obviously some demographics (young, college girls with career on the mind) require little effort to convince, but not all women are as easily swayed. Getting inside a woman’s head to convince her to get an abortion might require you to be very persuasive and creative in your approach. My hope is that if this advice helps just one man to convince his future baby’s mama to spare him from becoming a parent against his will, it was worth the writeup.
Read More: When Abortion Is The Best Option
Personally I recommend having children as they are a complete joy.
Feminist reaction to this essay should be interesting, given their advocacy of abortion.
Having children is a complete joy -if and when-
* you have a real role in that child’s life, not “1/3 physical custody” on a date scheduled by the court-appointed mediator
* you determine how your hard-earned money is spent to better the child’s future, instead of some shrieking harpy who legally uses the child support check to finance her purse and lingerie purchases for her next lover
* you don’t have 1/3rd to 2/3rd of your paycheck garnished to support the lifestyle of some skank you banged in the early 2000s for a few months
* you don’t have to explain to every girl you’re dating after a few weeks that you already have a child and a “baby momma”, only to have them walk away because of your baggage
And that child is even less of a complete joy, if his/her existence drags you into a marriage with that skank you were banging for a few weeks. So if you do “the honorable thing” and get married, now you get to be in a shitty marriage with a rapidly aging 6 you were only talking to for sex.
Oh, and all the commenters who hate this article but complain about “frivorce theft”: yup, do the honorable thing and marry the bitch and now she’ll take half your earnings when she gets tired of your ass (on top of the money spent on the children and her luxury goods during the marriage). All the Alpha Relationship Game in the world won’t save you from this medusa who has you by the testicles.
Mark Mintner is back!
If you’re that worried about one or more of the above, how about you learn to keep your penis in your pants or, if you really lack the self-control to rut in whatever sinkhole you fall into, wear two small sized prophylactic, in case one slips off.
Condoms are not 100% safe Djuro, so until men get reproducive rights, we must learn ways to go around the problem.
I sincerely wonder why nobody has ever used that argument to shut up these deranged femcunts.
Hmmmm.
You moronic piece of diarrhea.
Men do have reproductive rights. They can chose to have sex which is intended to result in pregnancy. What you are citing are erroneously assumed rights to stop being a father once his child is conceived from said sexual intercourse. As for your comment, “we must learn ways to go around the problem,” it is not a problem it is a child, YOUR child.
Keep it in your pants if that’s not appealing to you.
Well don’t you have a lovely sense of entitlement. You already have so much yet you won’t be satisfied until you get to control other people’s bodies.
How about this – if you’re not in control of your own body enough to prevent a pregnancy (and it’s not hard), you probably shouldn’t be allowed to exercise any control over anyone else’s until you do.
Well, where some people are coming from they feel it’s unfair that a man has no say as to whether or not the child can be killed, which absolves the mother of responsibility, but the man does not have any opportunity to absolve himself of responsibility. Now I agree to a point-I agree that it’s not fair that a man who wants to take care of his child can still lose his child to an abortion and he has no say. However, there’s no such thing as “forced motherhood” or “forced fatherhood”. If you have sex and you have a baby, then it’s your responsibility.
An unwanted whild is a problem, and here we’re not talking about a child but about a fetus, big difference.
Men won’t give up sex simply because there’s a risk contraception will fail.
When I say reproductive rights, I’m saying the same rights as women, the right to chose to become a parent or not.
That’s it, *if* you have a baby. Abortion is there to keep the option not to have one.
Never wanted to control a woman’s body, but I’d like the child to legally have only one parent if she decides to make this choice alone.
‘if she decides to make this choice alone’ ????
You mean ‘if she decides not to do exactly what I want her to do and makes the choice that is best for her’.
so a human life is an option? So if I see you in the street and I have a gun, I simply have an “option” to keep you alive?
Damn you’re stupid, femicunt.
Having sex has nothing to do with reproductive rights. A woman can have sex, get pregnant, and then do whatever she wants. A man has no control of anything after having sex.
This is unequal rights. Of course, you and other femicunts spin it to shame men. We currently live in a matriarchy and men aren’t allowed to have reproductive rights.
There’s a difference between a man and an embryo.
Making a choice against the will of the father is making the choice alone. If both can’t agree, the one making the decision make it alone.
No need for equivocation – you could have just said ‘yes’.
In any case – tough – you already tacitly agreed to become a daddy when you had sex. Risk/ reward.l
No I don’t. We’re in 2013, when contraception and abortion exist and are common.
and what is that difference? would an embryo otherwise become a turtle?
And contraception fails and final decisions on abortion aren’t in your hands. Ergo – yes, you do agree – because you should be aware of the consequences. I can’t imagine that anyone who is idiotic enough to not understand this is having sex with anything other than his own hand, so it shouldn’t be a problem for anyone.
Have you ever even had sex? Sometimes emotions and passions are so animalistic you dont wear protection. BTW suggesting wearing 2 condoms? Know I know you have never had sex.
Given how ugly you are Linda Heilman (via your Avator pic) how can you pretend to be an authoriy on sex?
Hai Mark.
Well if having unprotected sex is more important to you that all the reasons above, then go right ahead. But know the risks you are taking. Especially now that all the women you may date in the future will have access to this post.
If you don’t want a child than don’t “bang that skank.” It is called self-control- try it sometime.
I’ve never seen so much disrespect towards women in one comment. War on women? Look in the mirror.
Bitch, go make us a sandwich!
Bitch, go make us a sandwich!
Bitch, go make us a sandwich!
Bitch, go make us a sandwich!
Hope you like arsenic! Yummy.
Rats deserve no less.
Sorry, hon. There’s a war on men in this country, not on women. That poster is 100% correct.
I agree. However I don’t think using derogatory language to refer to women makes you a “man”. I don’t care what mistakes they’ve made. Though when I see men objectified as much as women are and men in stirrups with vacuum cleaners shoved up their penises, I’ll be right there in your corner.
Traditional gender roles no longer exist. A “man” is simply a person that has male reproductive organs. A “real man” is the same thing. Men no longer have to be responsible for being the traditional definition of a man.
Personally, I don’t know what happened in the 1950s. And neither do you. We only have other sources to rely on. Was it as bad as feminists make it seem? I’ve heard both side of the story, so I’m doubtful.
Either way, the men of today are not responsible for what men did 100 years ago. I am not responsible for men that beat their wives or their children. I am not responsible for men that LEGITIMATELY leave their children. And I’m tired of being held responsible just because I also have a penis.
Are you in college?
You must still be in college Joe. I don’t think i’ve heard “traditional gender roles” used in a sentence before or since undergrad. But glad to see you’ve studied it.
I’m not sure where you’re going with your argument or why you feel you have any other responsibility in life other than to be a decent, respectful human being. That’s what society expects of you, or at least most of society. You can be a decent, respectful human being with a penis (aka a “man”)…or you can choose not to be and I’m sure some people (not me) will regard you and treat you as the animal you choose to be – often without you even knowing.
You can choose to disrespect women all you want and throw around any excuses for your disrespect all you want. When you hurt others, you’re really just hurting yourself. Every selfish act comes at a price. That’s not feminism speaking…that’s just life experience. The world doesn’t need men (or women) who act like animals. It doesn’t need men who place women in boxes like…
“Sarah is a slut like the sluts I see online. I can call her a slut, i can treat her like garbage, I can use her for whatever I want, and treat her like she’s disposable because she’s not a human being like me and she doesn’t respect herself. So why should I?”
vs.
“Linsey is a great girl. i grew up with her, she’s like a sister to me and if any guy messed with her I would kick their ass. She’s smart, she’s beautiful, she’s got a lot going for her. Any guy would be lucky to have a decent girl like her who’s not a slut or bitch.”
And that’s where guys need to change…and that’s why I was completely disgusted with the comment from Mr. Anonymous. Call it old fashioned, I don’t care.
awesome comeback you fucking cunt hole
Thanks admiral douchebag! 🙂
Stop sleeping around and you won’t have to worry about pregnancy in the first place. Men use women for their sexual fantasies and their manhood. Sex is not a game. It’s MEANT to create children. So, the best thing you can do is keep your pants zipped and stop thinking sex is “all that”. It’s not! Yes, we need it but it doesn’t make a relationship. Awesome sex belongs in marriage where it is safe for the child AND the parents! It wasn’t invented by you so stop trying to make it into something cheap!! It’s not there for you to use it to “own women” as your personal slave and or to destroy children.
Until you figure out that there is more to a relationship than sex, you will continue to live the cheap and disgusting life you have. Good relationships are built on trust and mutual respect. Abortion requests destroy that trust! And that child will have a thing or two to say to you when you die and find out it got to live in heaven! Remember, it takes two to make a baby. (the woman doesn’t just “wish” herself pregnant! you helped it happen too!) Stop making it look like it’s HER fault…it’s not!! If you don’t want a baby, don’t have sex!!! It’s that simple!
Stop trying to force your opinion into our throats, to each his own.
You are forcing your opinion on us and spreading dangerous demeaning thoughts against women. Keep your sperm to yourself and you won’t have to worry about convincing a woman to get an abortion! It takes a sperm and an egg to make a baby and the woman only has the egg!! (or have your forgotten your high school biology course content)
Besides, I’m not forcing my opinion on anyone. You posted your comment and I posted mine! That’s not forcing my opinion down your throat. That’s disagreeing with your scumbag opinion of men being allowed to use sex for a sport and then, when things don’t go their way, they want to get themselves out of responsibility by killing the child. My advice to you is a dare: Go watch an abortion…go ahead. Don’t just PAY for it! Watch it happen! Bet you will throw up when it’s over too! (There’s a Youtube video you can view as well)
So it’s just the man’s fault that they had sex? The woman has no part in it? Ha ha I love feminists. Always the same predictable response.
If they’re BOTH having sex, then they should have EQUAL choice over the fate of the child.
But no, feminists just want equality when it suits them.
So, if you’re BOTH having sex then you have EQUAL responsibility to raise any child you CREATE!! So the fate of the child is in BOTH OF YOUR HANDS…That means you better be a good father to that kid b/c you both took the time to set up for pregnancy to happen. Like I said, It’s both your faults but you should be the one to protect the child…not kill it!
Men of honor don’t sacrifice the child THEY helped create for their own selfish convenience of “hey, get the abortion so I don’t have to pay child support thing”. If you DON”T want to make a child….don’t have sex!! It’s that simple. b/c There is NOT Such thing as safe sex..even with birth control. Sex makes babies! Duh!! So if you don’t want one, don’t have sex until you can have one so you don’t have to live your life knowing you murdered your own child. Ask any father who regrets abortion. It isn’t pretty once you get a conscience and realize you killed a human being!
“Besides, I’m not forcing my opinion on anyone. You posted your comment and I posted mine!”
I’m not trying to impose my view on a christian website.
“Go watch an abortion…go ahead.”
Why would I? Heart surgery is harsh visually too, that won’t prevent me from having one if it’s needed one day.
Heart surgery FIXES a broken heart…it doesn’t kill another human being. There is a big difference between heart surgery and abortion!!!
Abortion tears a helpless human being limb from limb into pieces when it already has organs and a heartbeat and all the body parts still in development! Abortion in later stages, leaves kills the baby with burning saline solution and at even later stages, they are birthed and left out to die. These babies feel pain. real pain. it is child abuse in the worst form.
Abortion is not a surgery to “fix” someone, it using medical instruments to KILL someone. It’s not a root canal or an abscess or a disease to be cured. Abortion takes a tiny infant and tears it apart limb by limb with no anesthesia and it is very painful. And it’s not safe for the mother either. Most doctors who do it have preferrated the uterus and the bowels and women have died from both chemical and surgical abortions. Abortion is NOT a cure for “pregnancy”…it is the killing of another human being.
Heart surgery fixes a problem. And unwanted pregnancy is a problem, so better fix it before it becomes more than it. Because yes, an embryo isn’t a human being yet.
The way to fix an unwanted pregnancy is not to trick the girl into getting an abortion…it’s to NOT get her pregnant in the first place. And Yes, Scientifically, an embryo IS a human being in a stage of development. It is already a human being. (please learn about DNA…b/c it only has the DNA to BE a human being so it IS one!) Embryo” is just a stage of development..just like being an infant, a toddler and a adolescent and an adult. Is is NEVER anything else but a human being. (and btw, you WERE once an embryo!) So, no you are dead wrong on that point. An embryo is a human being. 18 days AFTER conception, it has a heartbeat. Soon it has arms,, legs etc…all it needs to “look” human.
I have an idea. Why don’t you watch some videos on fetal growth of humans and see that it always IS a human being. And at the stage that most men “order” that abortion, their offspring already feels pain. But since the stages don’t matter to you. perhaps we should make it legal to do to you what is done to that embryo. Let’s tear off YOUR arms, and legs and crush your skulls with forceps WITHOUT Anesthesia and see how you feel!! Ouch!! Nothing you say will EVER convince me I that abortion is necessary to “fix” an unwanted pregnancy. The solution is to NOT be so busy spreading your seed that you have to protect yourself by killing a human being in it’s most helpless stage of development.
Fuckin’ Gospel.
You shouldn’t have had sex with a woman you didn’t love in the first place. Casual sex leads to these types of problems. Sex is not a fun game that you can do with whoever you like. Things like this happen if you treat it like a game. Medusa only has you by the testicles because you let her in, mate.
I am sure guys have fucked you who didnt like your personality. In fact take sex away from the equation most men have no reason to be friendly with women.
I have only ever done that with guys who I have been in relationships with, so they must have liked me. Please don’t speak to a lady like that, thank you.
People like you Richard and selfish, hedonistic and immoral. You probably attract women who are bad people because you are not a nice person. I am not that type of person and I do my best to stay away from the wrong crowd. Maybe that lifestyle is alien to you.
Oh anonymous… you are missing out so much :-)…
having sex with someone you don’t really love (missing it all) and without worries of having a child…you poor thing…
for you sex is prior to a person – a girl or a child…
you will never get enough because you don’t give enough to others…
The chances of a woman having an unexpected pregnancy are very low if you always use condoms and she is also on a reliable birth control method like Depo or the pill (when used properly). The fact that the author had to pay for two abortions seems to indicate that he wasn’t serious about using birth control to begin with.
Women are sneaky. Can’t always assume that a girl will reliably take her birth control. If your entire plan rests on trusting a women to not play you a fool, then you have another thing coming.
Shit happens. Women forget to take the pill, or lie. And its nice to think that we’re always careful and prepared. But in the heat of the moment, would you really pass up sex because you didn’t have a condom? You think either you or your girl would have that much self control when you’re horny and drunk and want it? I’ve been doing this for years and still fuck up every now and then. Many girls don’t keep a stash of condoms because they are pretending to not be slutty hoebags.
Would you really pass up sex because you didn’t have a condom?
Of course I fucking would, it’s like playing Russian roulette with your life nowadays. No sex is worth the destruction of your hard earned lifestyle.
We would all like to think that we would make the right decision.
When a cute girl with big tits and seductive look in her eyes looks up at me and licks her lips and says “fuck me already, I’m on the pill it’s OK!” my brain just shuts off. Good for you if you’re stronger than that.
You didn’t get what Maigo said. It goes beyond self control when you can contract a disease that can kill your dumb ass.
So a kid is a disease now? I can’t fathom why you would think such a thing.
Knowing that, I could fathom why you might be over 40, fat, childless, and single.
Making the claim such as you do, in the fashion that you do, is a foolish proposition.
There are two reasons why you would make such a claim with such conviction:
1. You are lying just to make some point you believe to assuage an ego.
2. You know you’d never be tested like that and therefore can say with certainty that’d you pass up on sex every time when no condom is available. You probably don’t even carry condoms in your wallet, do you?
Making the claim “of course I fucking would” with such conviction is a foolish proposition.
There are only two reasons I can think of, as to why you would make such an argument with such conviction.
1. You are patently lying to make a point. You believe in this, but are human and too weak actually live up to this lofty ideal. You assuage your guilty ego by trying to convince others that they are stupid for not even trying to live up to a standard you hold for yourself.
Who is dumber? A man who does not live up to a standard he does not set for himself? Or a man who does not live up to a standard that he indeed does set up for himself.
Who would be better prepared in the case of an unwanted pregnancy? The first man, for he would be trying to solve his dilemma. You, on the other hand would kick yourself endlessly for not living up to an impossible standard you set for yourself.
I say impossible standard in the context of your inability to reach it.
2. You will never be tested on this claim and therefore can claim certainty that you’d never have unprotected sex because you simply do not get sex.
Wald
Making the claim “of course I fucking would” with such conviction is a foolish proposition.
There are only two reasons I can think of, as to why you would make such an argument with such conviction.
1. You are patently lying to make a point. You believe in this, but are human and too weak actually live up to this lofty ideal. You assuage your guilty ego by trying to convince others that they are stupid for not even trying to live up to a standard you hold for yourself.
Who is dumber? A man who does not live up to a standard he does not set for himself? Or a man who does not live up to a standard that he indeed does set up for himself.
Who would be better prepared in the case of an unwanted pregnancy? The first man, for he would be trying to solve his dilemma. You, on the other hand would kick yourself endlessly for not living up to an impossible standard you set for yourself.
I say impossible standard in the context of your inability to reach it.
2. You will never be tested on this claim and therefore can claim certainty that you’d never have unprotected sex because you simply do not get sex.
Wald
Wow, so a kid is a disease you can contract now? I cannot fathom why you would think such a think.
Having said that, I could fathom why you’re over 40, childless, with a barren womb, fat, and single.
Wow, so a kid is a disease you can contract now? I cannot fathom why you would think such a think.
Having said that, I could fathom why you’re over 40, childless, with a barren womb, fat, and single.
You’re very smart and responsible. Other people are stupid and worthless. Do you feel better about yourself now? Pat yourself on the back and feel self-righteous about it.
What a cop out! Just because he has more self control than you, youb assume he is lying! just because YOU care more about sex than self preservation doesn’t mean all men do!
She meant HIV bro, calm the fuck down! LOL!
You really are an idiot. There’s a little thing called AIDS that can kill you.
Married 23 years. Two kids. Fabulous and 50!
Just pointing out that a baby can be the least of a guys problems if he can’t keep his junk in his pants. When getting laid trumps the concern of contracting AIDS, you deserve what you get.
Maybe you should reconsider what kind of women you associate with.
We’re talking about babies and abortions. If you don’t say different, then don’t get surprised when people come to conclusions.
Anal sex anyone?
Wow. Congrats on lacking self-control. I guess you are an animal and not a human. Please consider a vasectomy.
I love how you consider women to be “slutty hoebags” and then go on to say that “big tits and a seductive look” is all it takes to make you lose your self control and your “brain just shuts off”… I think all your statements here just did was make it debatable whether your brain was ever on… or existent in the first place. way to go.
What is male sex drive?
You respond like men are animals and unable to control their own actions. I have never seen a more pathetic attempt at justifying being irresponsible. At least have the self respect to admit honestly that you do what you do because you want to do it, not because your penis made you. You are not a slave to your bodily desires, you can say no anytime. If you cannot control what you do when you want something, you are a danger to yourself and others. after all, a woman could lead you one right up until you are about to do the deed, and then just change her mind. If you couldn’t help yourself, where would that leave you? Likely in jail for rape. Men are not animals, and sex drive is not a reason to act like one.
give this speech to a fat feminist and ill be impressed.
Newsflash, shnookums: Men have a stronger, less discriminating sex drive then women.
We, unlike you vaginahavers, actually are capable of recognizing our shortcomings as a gender.
If you still don’t know that men have a massive sex drive which makes them skip the condom sometimes, you should go back watching Disney cartoons.
No, “shnookums”, what you don’t seem to be able to comprehend is this. Whether your gross generalization about men and women is correct or not, there are a large amout of men out there who either wait until they have protection (it’s called using your brain), or IF they don’t wait, they take responsibility for the child by being a father, or putting it up or adoption, or allowing the mother to raise it herself and renouncing all paternal claim to it. Nothing can “make” you skip anything if you have a shred of self control, which most men have… you, sir, are a tool with a poor excuse.
most feminists are just as bad in my opinion as the man who wrote this article. that being said, I am not quite sure what you are getting at. Both men and women should be accountable for their actions.
It’s hard for people to step outside themselves into the experience of another, especially when subjectively they have no hint of what that experience is like. Unfortunately “most males are dominated by their sexual impulses” (Schopenhauer). “We’re not masters even in our own homes” (Freud). Whether that is good or bad is irrelevant objectively, and labelling it good or bad is to say as if by magic, the bad will disappear or is no longer true subjectively…
Well that kind of thinking really went badly for the Gay community. AIDS is a horrible disease and when you let your libido override your need to save your own life, bad things happen.
Low chance or not, it’s always something to keep in the back of your mind. I, personally, had dodged a bullet. I couldn’t convince her to get an abortion, but she ended up having a miscarriage. At any rate, I do think these tips -are- worth having in your arsenal.
I’ve always through, this western culture is so bad. I’m a woman raised in traditional,eastern european family and I was ok with everything that came with that because we all were happy. It made me feel that everyone has own rule in the family, it’s natural and doesn’t need strong expression. I was reading some posts here from time to time because I understand why it’s so flustrating, that western women forgot about what family is about.
And now, I’ve read this post and it just made me sad. Not because I’m pro or agains abortion. It’s just because everything you’re saying here makes me believe you’re a bad person. And that’s awaful.
You seem nice.
The thread writer probably wrote this after dealing with years and years of feminist nonsense being thrown down his throat. Many people do not realize how bad it can get for a man that has a child in this kind of situation in the west.
If the man goes through with having the child, their life will most likely be ruined financially and their child taken away from them. It’s sad, but true in many cases.
Inb4 feminist meltdown
These articles specifically written to provoke morons are the best.
This comment section reminds me how fucking annoying white kights/ trad cons are.
Usually don’t have to worry about pregnancy scares. Just wake up early after a night of fun, dig into my stash of morning-after pills, and hide one in a piece of cheese. Woman eats it and I’m in the clear.
Other foods work well too; lunch meats, sausage, bread, etc. Applied the same method to my dogs when giving them medicine. Works surprisingly well.
Would rather not fuck about volunteering at a hospital and instead wear a condom.
The fact that you needed to pay for 2 abortions (1 close call would be enough for most) doesn’t say much about the authors common sense.
Let the tough talkin’ bullshit fly!
I’m fully expecting someone to post “I just pushed her down the stairs and that bitch dropped the sprog!” or sumpin’ like dat.
Don’t disappoint me, fellers!!
(however, but, seriously — I support all the method listed in this post; 50-60% of the population really should not be contributing their defective DNA).
I just pushed her down the stairs and that bitch split like a cantaloupe.
The Hail Mary works.
There was a Canadian billionaire who would have owed millions and millions per year in child support, who convinced his mistress to get an abortion by telling her that the pregnancy was going to ruin their special bond and canceling a planned trip with to St Bart’s so they could be together. The girl aborted the baby so she could go on a Carribbean vacation and then got dumped. Afterwards, she tried to sue claiming that the guy tricked her into the abortion, but got laughed out of court.
I’m surprised it did get laughed out of court, usually such an accusation would be thoroughly entertained by the courts with a judgement being granted to her.
Not so fast. Back in the 1940s, we had “Seduction” laws. Frank Sinatra was arrested for banging some virgin chick (promised to marry her!). Those white knight laws are long gone, but “once upon a time….” How do you explain that?
“Seduction Laws” ? Is there any documentation of proof such laws existed in the 1940’s? Bowing out on a marriage proposal could be simply seen as not following up on a spoken agreement, as opposed to some kind of seduction laws. I could see anti seduction laws becoming a reality today only because the USA is becoming a socialist dictatorship.
“Sexually active people have accidents”. There is nothing accidental about conception. Sex= babies. Concieving means that you have done something right during sex
Depends on the goal. By definition, any unwanted pregnancy is an accident.
I have two preferred methods of birth control.
1. She swallows my load
2. It goes in her ass. If she wants to have my kid bad enough to try and scoop my baby batter from her ass, she’ll give herself a bacterial infection. Then I’d let her know how much she’d fuck up the pregnancy with a self inflicted STD.
Wald
You, sir, are in desperate need of prayers.
Pray for me, Madam.
I already am.
I sincerely am grateful.
Pray for me, Madam.
Fucking Genius!!!!! LOL.
Not quite sure what to say, except you are a douche. Congratulations.
QUOTE: “Let’s face it: sexually active people have accidents. Shit happens, that’s life.”
I suspect that before the 1970’s a majority of couples made a conscious decision to fuck for the sole purpose to get pregnant. Most people born from the 1970’s and up are probably accidents, the “Oppsy” pregnancy, the unprotected romp in the sack that some skank had with some ex-con after only knowing him for two hours. Think Garbage Generation.
The other “accidents” are in fact not accidents at all. If a man has a lot of money and a chick gets pregnant, she owns his ass. These “accidents” are in fact seen by the mother as biological annuities. Once she has legal custody, the child is the gift that keeps giving financially all year until he turns 18 if he is male, or indefinitely if the child is female.
True, but women strongly support abortion so they have an alternate plan after they’ve made their move to force their boyfriend to commit. “Pro-choice” means free not be entrapped in her own snare. The post here provides some necessary counter-moves when threatened with commitment-rape, similar to how women are advised to pretend to cooperate, determinedly fight, or to say they have HIV when forced to have sex.
Agreed this is good info article. Getting a chick knocked up is the last place any man wants to find himself, and there are not too many articles out these such as this to help him on how to proceed,
Except now that you’ve made it public, I suspect many women will be out for vengeance. If sex without consequence is what you really desire, you’d take this post down and pray to whomever that it is not passed into the viral category anytime soon. Alas, it is too late for that one. We are making sure women from all walks of life are getting to read this one. Even the feminist are going to be pissed.
I agree this is good advice that couldn’t be found anywhere else, that’s why RoK’s so great. What we need now is a massive ban from Roosh, all those stupid comments and upvotes are getting annoying.
Ah so this conservative woman admits to colluding with feminists against men.
I thought you were men, “KINGS”, if so, our comments should be easy to refute.
Only wimpy betas would complain about the negativity.
1.) Not men. Men don’t behave this way. This is the work of an idiot man-child.
2.) If your position and speech is so fucking ABHORRENT that even conservatives AND feminists are going to hate you for it, it’s pretty fucking bad. Be proud! 😀
Ahh….might I suggest you direct this toward the author of the article not a commenter, or has your syphilis progressed to the point where you not aware of what you are doing?
Yes, the garbage needs to be taken out.
Why so much hate towards bacon? Some men just don’t want to have children, it’s normal…
Because the TradCons passed around the link. A lot of these commenters aren’t even regular readers of ROK.
I once convinced a girl to make an abortion.
It’s a decision that haunts me till this day (15 years have passed)!
To suggest an abortion to a girl is a major BETA attitude and it shows lack of character and manhood.
I know it…I’ve been there!
Amen to that. The writers and readers of this site continually ridicule women who use social and legal structures to absolve themselves of responsibility for their actions, and yet that’s exactly what this article recommends for men. At least beta males still behave like males in some loose sense of the word.
They only reccommend this because women are already doing it, dipshit.
So that makes it OK, instead of standing up and saying that abortion is murder? Your temperamental use of foul language to argue some moot point claims you are an idiot.
But this whole website I thought was bout changing that attitude!
You can’t whine and complain about the death of Western culture and manhood and at the same time publish articles explaining ways to get a woman to abort your own child!
This is madness!
This is sparta
first of all abortion is not murder. because until the fetus is around 7 months old it doesnt even know it exists so all you do gooders and femenists and religious fanatics need to get a grip on reality and realise that there is always a time and a place for abortion especially when there is risk to the mother or to the livelyhood of either person involved in the end its all about the people involved and their opinions not yours so gtfu you sicofantic freaks oh and btw the bible and all that religious bs is just tha bullshit te bible says that childeren are gods most prised possesions and that he would never let them come to harm. to see the contradiction just look at this article or at what happens in third world and developed world countries how many childeren are slaughtered or stave to death every day. how many wars have been started over this pointless bullshit you call religion show me one shred of proof that your so called god or heaven and hell exist huh thats right you cant.
You are sadly mistaken if you honestly believe yourself. But then again…seems a common theme now-a-days for people to convince themselves that there is nothing wrong with murdering the unborn and most defenseless. You cannot, without a doubt, find any proof that a baby in the womb has to be 7 months until he/she knows of it’s own existence. And to come up with a number like that is just ridiculous. And if you want to try to pull out “scientific fact” then realize that scientists have, on very numerous occasions (I can and will find proof. Remember the whole “Earth is flat” concept?), gotten things wrong and had to reevaluate all they initially believed. As for your ignorant “feminist” remarks, most extreme feminists are all for abortion. As for your “insight” into religion, that is for you to find out when your time has come. Someone like you would not listen to any kind of reason…you’re just looking for an argument.
I honestly can’t read or make sense of any of that. Learn how to spell and use full stops. There is no translator on the internet for gibberish.
Obviously you are not american. I mean an american might mispell children once, but not over and over. I also like how you spelled syncophant, nice one! BTW, ‘cant’ means ‘industry slang’, I think you mean to use the word “cannot”, huh? As for ‘staving’ childeren to death, I think you meant ‘baby seals’, right?
I agree with your feminist comment, because it has annoyed me for DECADES that the stinkin’ perverted lesbos hijacked the word ‘feminism’ to mean ‘hater of men’ when in fact it means ‘identically different’ from men.
Particularly since no man can EVER KNOW for SURE that a baby is HIS anyway (unless he’s one of those weirdo guys who keeps a woman chained to a bed in his cellar and she doesn’t have the baby till, hmm, 10 months after he first enslaved her. (giving a little ‘wiggle room’ there on the timeline.) 🙂
Someday, it could be tonight or some time extremely soon that you eat those words… as you stand pathetically before HIS White Throne of Judgement… begging for the mercy that is not to come!!!
Know that everyone in Hell and soon the Lake of Fire are there for at least one reason… and that is believing the words of heathen, like yourself, over the eternal WORD of GOD!!!!
Um, baby’s born at only six months survive birth all the time, going on to be completely normal children and adults.
A very simplistic mentality they show, devoid of moral reasoning.
Notice that its well known – and especially in the manospphere – that abortion rights are a feminist weapon against men.
Bacon’s stupid post, unless it was satire, is down with all that damage. Just to get selfishness and carelessness off the hook.
Mmm…
The Christian God is one one of the biggest abortionists of all time!
The Bible does not promise a life without pain here on earth. God does promise life everlasting once have left Satan’s domain.
The Bible does not promise a life without pain here on earth. God does promise life everlasting once have left Satan’s domain.
Beta males aren’t men. They’re walking ATMs, and beasts of burden. If that’s your definition of manhood then I feel sorry for you.
An “ALPHA” is not a lazy butt who thinks that working as an electronic book seller it`s the way he is going to be rich…just saying, everybody knows that a strong, determineid and studly bluecollar stallion it`s the true definition of “alpha male” good luck little miss america! in another life being a bald asshole like matt forney would be seen as a “desireble man”
…is a “beta” attitude…
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
eugenics ftw,
pass the alpha semen ftw,
honor for character and manhood ftw,
fuck having money and fun in life
it’s better to take care of my accidental son, cuz imma alpha and son must see the light and redpill before Agent Smith from the F3mM4trix makes him a feminist obese.
Oh yeah, before I press enter, just think about your beloved “asshole alphas” getting your girls pregnant and running away. That can be also fucking alpha no? I’m telling you this just to make you feel better without having to write to yourself that you are beta for having done some fucking normal thing.
Also maybe you should stop filtering every fucking action in your life as alpha/beta, just my non-nevrotic advice. But yeah, do th efuck u want. Ciao
My husband has fathered 6 children with me thus far and we have plenty of money and fun.
But you wouldn’t understand. To be a man like him requires no whining, controlling your urges, marrying smart, and getting a good job…in short, being a human, not an animal.
I feel sorry for him after 6 kids there must be no tightness to your pussy(hot dog down a hallway). I bet he is getting younger side ass you dont know about.
Wrong. C-sections. Is that the best you got? A red-herring?
Children are a blessing and a good marriage assures that mother and father give children the best possible outcome.
Work hard, marry smart, and welcome the children God blesses you with and you with have joy untold.
Worrying about women’s genitalia and its tightness, wondering how to get a one night stand to abort, and aborting your own flesh and blood- that is a recipe for a shriveled existence.
You must be really “tiny” man……I pity the fool!!!!!!!!
Any man who does not understand the joys of having a child in marriage and how children are a real blessing, watching them and knowing that they are part you and part the woman you love and care for (Which make for far better intimate life) really does not know how to live. The man who does not understand this is who could well be described as a “fool”. And by the way I have 9 children, and there is still a very much active and pleasant sex life!
What the hell is wrong with you?
Well said lady! A true human being!
Understanding-
Why can these men not see the possiblity of what you and I present? They cannot imagine a joyful, chid-filled, sexually active marriage. Was it never modeled for them?
I don’t know, but I will continue to pray that my daughters meet men like their father and grandfathers.
I was born an aborted fetus and grew up to do just fine.
Good. Children are a blessing from God and family is the center of the Universe.
Most can see the possibility. The probability, on the other hand, has gotten vanishingly small, due to feminism, near universal public indoctrination, and progressivism in general.
When all there is around you is whores, and the entirety of America and the West is nothing, as in really nothing at all, more than a gaggle of asymmetrically well armed scum pushing said whores in front of them as an excuse to rob, rape and enslave you; what else is there left to do but go with the flow? If you can’t beat them, join them. And joining whores and scum surely resolves to treating whores as whores, and being all the scum that one can be. And what could possibly be scummier than ruining some whores life, and killing some kid, just for one’s own convenience? Heck, if a guy keeps that up, he may be President one day; and the ultimate alpha for every progressively indoctrinated whore in the entire Western world.
Or, he could choose to attempt being a good man, like Tim McVeigh (perhaps a bit clumsily) did, but see how well that turned out for him.
Well I say, “May I have as many kids,” and “May they have many more.”
Wow. Absorbed in negativity much.
Act as you want but *our* existence pleases us, no need for your advice.
9 children? Do you give birth by sow?
And surely no need for their money they are required to pay in taxes either! So glad to see fellow libertarians here.
you obviously know nothing about vagina or have been with women who take little to no care of themselves. Vagina is meant to stretch and tighten back up after each birth u retard. they never would have made it to 6 if that was not the case. i have a child of my own and my current boyfriend cant tell the difference.
Amen to that, eight kids and now eight grand kids… Happy, healthy and full of joy!
Why even attempt to address this slug? Now you’re going to have to explain to him what a red-herring is.
He obviously knows little about a woman’s anatomy/body and its ability to return to its pre childbirth state within fairly short order. Maybe once he moves out of his mom’s basement and actually finds a girl who will have sex with him, assuming he’s even interested in girls and can afford one off the street, he’ll be a little better educated on the subject. Maybe.
Judging by his name, he’s obviously got some serious issues to deal with and work through. You’d think with his background he’d at least assume a woman’s genitalia can return to its former state of tightness just as a man’s rectum can. He no doubt is very familiar with that phenomenon.
Really, you are pleased? No post on this site expresses true joy. In fact, most of the posts are angry. And the comments, well, those are seething.
The life presented by RoK is empty.
When you see the main topic of this website, speaking about how happy your are would be off-topic.
Howerver, taking conclusions about one’s general happiness based on the comments is stupid.
It will be tight enough to make it to 6, but not as tight as it was before, so less pleasure (physical and visual, since she’s also aging) for the poor husband.
Not all of us consider sitting in Church all day, turning ourselves into a beast of burden for a woman, and running around after whiny brats “fun”.
My life revolves around those things, and I love it!
You do know that there are exercises to fix that, right?
+1. Really messes up the girl, too. Want to fuck a girl’s head up and leave her a complete mess? Just knock her up, and then have her get an abortion.
I’ve since had a kid with another girl… but will always have that hanging on my conscience. There’s a special place in hell for those of us who’ve stamped out our own seeds.
Amen Brian. I’ve been on the other side of that argument, and it never goes away. It ruins so many lives. Not just the unborn.
You have proof of this “Hell” or did you read it in an old book?
Could be a hell on earth scenario. Some people become so consumed with the guilt of having aborted a child of theirs that it haunts them.
You don’t have to believe in a hell to acknowledge that killing your own offspring is a shitty thing to do.
You don’t have to believe in a hell to acknowledge that killing your own offspring is a shitty thing to do.
Keep screwing up like the idiot you want people to believe you are and you can answer that question for yourself. You won’t be allowed to tell others about it but at least you will know. How’s that for starters?
The only proof I need or will ever see is the word of a Man Whom never told a lie in His life. You on the other hand, if you maintain this attitude, will have all the proof you need one day, and it will be too late to do anything about it.
“The only proof I need or will ever see is the word of a Man Whom never told a lie in His life. ”
Muhammed?
Uhh, No. Muhammed was the worst of liars. The One I was thinking of never raped a child, never ordained polygamy, never ordained a man could beat his wife, never ordered the wiping out of every religion that did not follow Him, never had people killed for mocking or insulting Him – And the list goes on and on.
Muhammed was a deviant, perverted pedophiliac murderer who is burning in hell.
The One I was talking about is seated at the right hand of God, and His name is Jesus. He is King of kings and Lord of lords.
The “worst” of liars, you say? How can he be the worst of liars if he ordains right morals like polygamy, wife-beating, and the wiping out of every religion that did not follow him?
Religion is a tautological mess.
I sent all my money to a Nigerian prince for the same reason. I just couldn’t risk feeling like an idiot if it panned out…
I sent all my money to a Nigerian prince for the same reason. I just couldn’t risk feeling like an idiot if it panned out…
So you support chemical weapons use?
http://www2.libertysflame.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=35366
yeah, definitely. but only against Americans who threaten Obama’s leadership.
You are either deluded or a troll just making ignorant comments to stir things up. I tend to think you are a combo pack – Deluded Troll.
It is time to move out of your mom’s basement and get a clue.
How dare you refuse the Prophet’s teachings? You will burn in Hell for this!
He wasn’t a prophet, he was a pedophile who had no teachings worth accepting. He was a lying, cheating, thieving, murderous child molester. The only thing the koran is good for is tearing the pages out and wrapping pork sausage in them before putting it in the freezer. Dweeb.
You DARE doubt the prophet Muhammed? You reject Allah! If you do not accept the teachings of teh great prophet you will burn!
You DARE doubt the prophet Muhammed? You reject Allah! If you do not accept the teachings of teh great prophet you will burn!
Oh look! An idiot learned a big word. Good boy!
Aha! I didn’t really need more proof, but thanks for validating the fact that you are an idiot.
I’m putting you on notice.
Satan has tricked you into believing that his future home will not exist!!! I understand why he is in denial… what excuse are you using???!!!!
Now guess again!!!
Feel pity for him… his pathetic soul could be required of him this night, or some time very, very soon!!!
LK, stretching you and your vocabulary.
LK, stretching you and your vocabulary.
Where does it say that in the Ku’ran? Do you know this or is this just shit you hear online. lol
I know this; PBUH.
Except for the fact that a fetus isn’t your “offspring”.
You are aware that the bible condones: wife beating, child beating, slavery, polygamy, rape, and murder of infants right?
I can provide you specific bible verses if you wish.
Uh, no – I seriously do not need someone who claims there is no God to try to explain to me what that “mythical” (to you) person has to say about anything or what is written in His Holy Word. I am certain I have read every verse you can come up with time and again. Because the instances happened does not necessarily translate into their being condoned.
The American Heritage Science Dictionary, 2002, Houghton Mifflin: “fetus: The unborn offspring of a mammal at the later stages of its development, especially a human from eight weeks after fertilization to its birth. In a fetus, all major body organs are present.”
Note particularly the use of the word “offspring.”
I bet you had to search a bunch of dictionaries for that one. Here’s what I got:
Apparently if a woman has an abortion in the first two months of her pregnancy she’s not even destroying a fetus; let alone her “offspring”.
Jhon Deo, without doing much research, this is what Wikipedia has to say about the definition of “offspring” and I quote: “In biology, offspring is the product of reproduction of a new organism produced by one or more parents. … Offspring can occur after mating or after artificial insemination.”
So in fact a fetus (we could go even further and say an embryo) is an offspring as it is the product of reproduction. It might be in the early stage of reproduction but it is still an offspring.
So you can call the product of reproduction by any name you want, embryo, fetus, clump of cells, baby, mistake, unwanted thing, accident, it is still your offspring. When a woman has an abortion she is destroying or killing her offspring, and if you were the man that impregnated her, she is destroying, killing YOUR offspring.
Well, at least you admit that a fetus is “the young of an animal.” While we’re on the topic, consider the following:
offspring: 1. The child or young of a particular parent or progenitor. (dictionary.com)
young: 10. young offspring (dictionary.com)
young: idiom – with young: pregnant (dictionary.com)
child: 1. an unborn or recently born person (merriam-webster.com)
child: 4. a human fetus (dictionary.com)
child: idiom – with child: pregnant (dictionary.com)
child: 3. an unborn baby (Collins English Dictionary)
child: … An unborn infant; a fetus … (Stedman’s Medical Dictionary)
Listed synonym for young: offsrping
Listed synonym for offspring: young
Listed synonym for both: child, baby
baby: 5. a human fetus. (dictionary.com)
baby: 2. an unborn child; fetus. (Collins English Dictionary)
According to the major dictionaries of the English language, a fetus is defined as “offspring,” a “child,” a “baby,” “human” and a “person.” Clearly you are not using the word as it is defined. Outside of your peculiar subculture, you can generally expect to have considerably difficulty in communicating with other English speaking people in the future.
I hear you. It’s a tautological mess b/c it’s based on faith. Look to faith to make sense of it. I tried that. It helps soooo much. Just a different species of logic…
you created the baby together….so…YES it is.
I would like to see those verses.
Your post has nothing to do with what I just said. Also since you obviously failed anatomy 101 so allow me to educate you. Men don’t have a uterus so we can’t “create” babies. Women do that.
I don’t know if Esther failed Anatomy 101 or not but Jhon Deo, you definitely did fail it. What is sad is that you do not realize it. A uterus only holds,carries, nourishes and nutures the baby, it does not help in the “creation” at all. To “create” a baby you need an ovum AND a sperm, neither can “create” a baby alone. So yes a baby is “created” by BOTH the mother AND the father. The mother’s body carries and protects the baby until he or she is born.
Hell is real. Consider spending an eternity of deep regret w/out hope of a repreave. Especially for those who are stubborn and choose it. It does not need to be a place to go. What dwells in a persons mind that is where real hell will exist.
jhon I don’t think you see yourself as anyone’s offspring the way you think. It must be you never were a fetus in fact you are inconceivable. I wonder if you exist. I can’t for the life of me can consider you a fact of life? How pathetic. But I have faith in you lol.
jhon as I wondered earlier. Where you ever conceived? your attempt at being an intellect eludes me. But you are most definitely a hateful troll.
Jhon actualy women do NOT create anything. they carry to term that which God created. According to the bible, a very unique history book. written by people inspired by the Holy Spirit that we are wonderfully made or knit in a womans’ (wonderful creatures they are) womb. The problem w/transgender folk can never posses those wonderful organs. They pay dearly to have topical stuff done to make them look like the gender they choose. Have you ever seen the end result of those operations? IMHO grotesc I could never consider poking myself in such a gross looking result. I like the real thing. I’m a real guy.
Definitly Muhammed and Obamma. Both are muslims.
Yes the bible is truly an unbiased book. It tells all! But then came Jesus and grace to set the truth straight. Religious men always got it wrong! If you “study” scripture you will find God never condoned anything unless it was to protect a civilization as a whole. It most certainly did not include rape, murder and the like. Yes early civilizations had its growing pains. That is where Jesus came in to set the “religious” people straight. It sure is funny how atheist who do not claim to not believe in a God find these tidbits in an attempt to discredit the bible. Amazing how diligently they study it. all out of context of course. GO FOR IT jhon. Give us some. Really I mean it!! Where God directed Rape, murder, especially infants. As I recall He condemned that practice as “evil in His sight” He allowed certain things as it was expedient at the time because men were weak in faith and the desires of “the flesh” many a man today would and do practice these things today as an expediency of “the flesh” When you say the bible condones, it is more like the bible reported the behavior of people. You like to use it as a reason to discredit God. God NEVER condones evil behavior. Keep it all in context and be accurate! Religious people were attacked heavily by Christ Jesus, specifically on these matters you claim “the bible condones” As Jesus said “even looking w/lust makes you an adulterer. and with anger, murder is in your just around the corner in the heart. Please if you must be accurate and in context. and remember Jesus set it “all” straight. Mankind has always made a mess of Gods’ plan. And you are one of them kind!!!
YES!!!
To be sure. You are right on!
Yup! you also are right on!
Fetus is Latin for offspring…
since it has exactly half your DNA, actually, it is.
Dear Jhon Doe: Were you absent in sex ed class? Did you miss out on the fact that a child is created at the moment that sperm and egg are united? That child has dna that is unique and separate from the mother. You convince a girl to abort your child, and you become eligible for a Darwin award.
Actually he single handedly destroyed an entire civilization by drowning them slowly. Literally let them not only drown but made sure that the water would rise continually at an incredibly slow rate. Most of them probably developed multiple illnesses before they drowned.
There is hope and healing for you too… http://www.fatherhoodforever.org/
NO Brian, that is a lie from hell!!
I know that there is a place in heaven for you, if you truly repent, God is waiting to forgive you and offer you peace. True peace. Here. Now, AND in Heaven.
http://www.rachelsvineyard.org/men/index.htm
There is no God and life is tough sometimes. He will have to face it like a man.
If there is no God then why are you alive? You have nothing to live for….apparently. You really are a mess.
You can have things to live for and not believe in a religious deity…
WOW!! Why do you have things to live for? It does you no good in the end. Thats what you believe.
I live for the FACT that I will meet GOD ALMIGHTY face to face. You, na, you play act but have nothing to live for. Just being good has no reward if there is no one to reward you. Why bother?
@Millard Kinnison
I apologize for the typo. There are many little gods: The god of weed, the god of good music, the god of grappling and wrestling, the god of weightlifting, the god the god of the mutants and the brother of the god of weed, which is commonlyknown as the god of roots and dance hall reggae.
I happen to obey to all of them at the same time. It is like a corporate job where every boss asks you to do the same thing and there are no conflicts of interests.
I have a pretty good time all the time.
Jah is the one and only God. Lord have mercy.
@ Psychonaut:
I fell sorry for you!!
You have been very well indoctrinated!!! Look at yourself in the mirror… how complicated you are!? Do you really think that you happened by chance??!! Look at the sky, at night, do you think that that happened by chance??!! In the event that you do… just whom/what factor maintains that order???!!!
What year is it… is it not 2013 A.D., the year of our LORD; which means a little over 2000 years ago GOD, HIMSELF, entered the human realm to ‘seek and save that which was lost!!!’ I would sincerely suggest that you take HIS hand quickly; before that offer is withdrawn, and you will have to live with that mistake for an eternity… and in an unspeakable place!!!!!
Please tell me; which of those little gods will rescue you from the hand of ELOHIM????!!!!
Also, you forgot to mention the other little god that you answer to, too!! And that would be Satan!!
Please be advised… Satan is not able to rescue himself nor his minions from the hand of ELOHIM!!! You better consider a better choice… the right choice… while the blood still runs warm in those veins that ELOHIM gave you!!!!
There’s no more evidence of god being real then there is of: fairy’s, unicorns, or Santa Clause. If you want to base your life around a fairytale of a: 2,000 year old, Jewish, Zombie, Carpenter; then go crazy. But don’t ruin other peoples lives by forcing us to live by your insane beliefs.
I live for poon and hedonism!
Atheists actually believe in living moral lives because it’s the right thing to do. We don’t need some invisible man in the sky to threaten us with eternal torture in order to coerce us into being good people. Apparently sociopaths such as yourself do.
Name calling sure makes you look intelligent. The only sociopath I see here is YOU!!
Its hard not to look intelligent when debating a man who bases his life around a fairytale whos main character is an invisible man floating around in the sky.
Really? How does an idiot look smart when they are completely ignorant of facts staring them in the face? God is not a fairytale or some invisible man floating in the sky. Your ignorance is astounding. You don’t believe in God but you try to believe in being good. Being good isn’t good enough. You lose. You will have nothing to show for anything you ever do. What a shame. But….you have a nice day anyway.
Yes, absolutely. Just do your best to let others know. That will help more babies to live.
Yet, you still don’t look that way.
You are a narsissitic self centered person. You only live for yourself. If you claim to love, where does it com from. You think yourself a god. where does any love come from?
Oh! SO right on! Millard.
Atheist believe that because somewhere along the way as you were growing up, someone taught you that. It is not inate! Look at babies. They scream, give to me or I will make your life miserable. Also God does not torture anyone. Having to spend an eternity alone w/your regrets eternally is your own problem that will torture yourself! He never coerces anyone. You chose of your own FREE will. Now that is real pro-choice! I really think atheist think they have a corner on opinion, the only corner lol.
I have listened to your guru Richard Dawkings. All he has is to offer you is to have faith in him and his ilk! There is no provable things in any of your beliefs. Things that happened millions of years ago or longer. what a joke. Or science has no evidence for this or that but someday they will?? then you people laugh at our faith? Most of it (99%) is faith based, but you can’t seem to admit that! Amagine it. The universe just popped into existence (poof) out of nothing because it is someone’s theory that a professor (atheist priest) taught. And the student says “well I’ll just let the “experts” tell me. Do you really think you are people of reason? It is still called Darwin’s theory of evolution. In fact he also said if we were to discover the contents of the nuclious of the cell to disregard his theory. Well after DNA and it’s complex instructions miles long. I think he was right.
jhon At least you’re honest!
Speaking of 2013. Try and redo the calendar. based on what? It used to be BC (before Christ) now bce, before common era. Just to get rid of histories’ stumbling block Jesus. He himself prophesied that He would be The “Rock” the world would stumble over. Well here we are! He is in fact a proven historicle figure that walked the earth. As has been said make a choice. He is either a lunatic or is whom He claimed to be. This is real pro-choice! Again try and redo the calendar, based on what?
jhon then by all means stop your crazy ranting. No one here nor any Christian is forcing anyone nor attempting to ruin lives. Choosing Crist is PRO-CHOICE! We celebrate MLK day as a choice. He Martin Luther King represents the struggle of people of color. Jesus’ birthday is the same for us. Then why does it bother you so much? If we were to use such derogatory words to describe MLK there would be an uproar heard round the world! And Oh how PC we must be concerning Mohamed! You might get your head literally cut off! Muslims stone gays, but lets not talk about that! Us Christians are an easy target. We are taught to turn the other cheek but Richard Dawkins Americas’ atheist guru, teaches atheists to belittle, mock and ridicule us Christians. Now that is real atheistic expression of your natural inclination to love your neighbor.
yeah but still we’re allowed to beleive what we want and latica was trying to be honest cause even though he did a bad thing he felt remorse over it
yeah even darwin admits in the orgin of species that the big bang could not have possibly happened
enjoy the aids:) not trying to be mean just trying to be funny
I feel sorry for you. What happens when that runs out?
You’re either lying or know nothing about religion. Look up Our Lady of Guadalupe, it’s obviously not the only proof there is but it’s my favorite and I think you’d find it very interesting.
Like using deceit to pressure women to abort against their will doesn’t ruin people’s lives?
What are right and wrong to an atheist? Without an absolute standard, there are only differing opinions.
Good website (Rachelsvineyard).
Not if you have truly repented – and it looks like you have! Don’t believe the lie that you have a special place in hell for what you got someone to do! Repent and forgive yourself – also helping out or giving money to a Crisis Pregnancy Centre helps as well as a physical demonstration of your repentance!
Are you really soliciting donations here?
Are you really soliciting donations here?
Nope! Just saying that if he really is sorry for his actions 15yrs ago and he has repented for his actions, he needs to physically demonstrate his repentance – do things that might help other women or men about to make the same mistake as him! I would consider that the most humane thing he can do for his fellow man!
thank you for your perspective.
also, abortion can be associated with symptoms of depression and post-traumatic stress… that is much more likely when you’ve been coerced to do it.
Only if the woman been brainwashed by bible thumpers. But seriously who gives a fuck?!
As a man you’re looking at 18 years of child support, and a probable jail sentence when you fall behind on payments. If a woman who gets an abortion gets a little depressed afterwards then she’ll just have to suck it up!
you’re an idiot. I’d, personally, rather have all my limbs amputated than accept support from a person like you. I am an atheist and highly independent. people as ignorant and unfeeling as you just need to disappear. I just don’t think any man has the right to try to emotionally domineer and manipulate a woman into doing something against her values, instincts or desires. I consider it abusive. & you sound like the abusive type to me. personally, I think men should have the legal right to some sort of theoretical abortion, where they can say: I would rather this fetus be killed, but since it isn’t going to be, then I will not emotionally, financially (etc.) support it & then get the heck out of the woman’s life, for ever. but, nobody needs callus abusive types around, ever. then they don’t even have to worry about their misogynistic deluded schemes on how to force a woman to have an abortion.
I actually agree with you. Men should have an opt-out option. A financial abortion of sorts. But since that’s not an option for men; if one of my chicks get knocked up then I’m pushing for an abortion.
Truth be told I’d rather the kid be born, and adopted to a loving couple. But there’s no guarantee that she won’t go back on her word and keep the kid; making me financially responsible for 18 years of child support. Also many women refuse to go though a pregnancy only to give the kid away to someone else.
At the end of the day I have to look out for #1. No one else is. So until I’m given a better option I’m pushing for an abortion pronto!
I’d like to see you say that to the person’s face
Here’s a better option: exercise some self-control and learn to keep your penis in your pants. Stop making messes and expecting other people to clean them up for you. You want to be treated like a man? Behave like one. Real men don’t allow their penis to lead them around.
Bless your heart, also, Brian.
Just repent — as you obviously have and are. Don’t worry about Hell. God’s mercy is infinite.
There’s a website called Silent No More. It’s for men and women who have experienced abortion.
silentnomoreawareness.org
amen man i never would do this but yeah that is pretty much 1 of the most despicable things a so called man can do
Having children you don’t want is extremely irresponsible. You’ve possibly ruined some kid’s life and you’ll forever be shamed as a deadbeat dad. I have enough buddies who have fallen into that trap.
POSSIBLY ruining someone’s life, is still definitionally preferable to CERTAINLY ruining it, by killing the poor schmuck. At least if born, he has a shot.
I think I understand your line of thought.
It depends on who I accidentally got a non-western girl pregnant and what country we were in. If I was in a non-Western country, I’d probably do what I could to make it work or put the good in an orphanage.
If I was in the West, I would push for abortion as much as possible. At the end of the day, I look out for number 1 first. If the pregnant girlfriend can ruin my life using my own child against me, I will do everything in my power to have her get an abortion. I also consider most Western women crazy (until proven otherwise) and therefore I do not worry about the psychological harm experiencing an abortion would cause.
As for my future unborn children, I wish to be nothing less than the best father that I can be to give them the best lives I can. If I cannot do so, I consider it unfair to the child to raise in a world, handicapped by circumstances of birth, whether born in a fucked up country, a fucked up mother, or a lack of willingness to be a proper father on my part.
I do not claim to have any hard and fast rules. The above is where I stand at this point and time.
Wald
Wald, you are a disgusting human being. Perhaps the reason that you think all Western girls are crazy is because no sane woman would ever want to have sex with you.
If you think she is that f-d up…. Why are you having a sexual relationship in the first place? Most women trust that when she lets a man inside her body that he at least cares about her a little bit. Otherwise she is just a hooker.
As a man, in the dystopian West, you cannot decide to kill a kid (at least via the abortion route.) All you can really do, is put together a test designed to determine whether some broad is worthy of being a mother; not simply some useless whore that would voluntarily show up at some clinic, to have her own kid ripped apart and tossed in the trashbin.
You’re missing the point of my post by focusing on the semantics of why I would or would not date a girl I think is “f-d up”.
I’m forced to conclude you have no actual argument other than debating a detail in an example I provide to make a point.
Still, to humor you – it takes a while to get to know someone. You cannot fully know someone in a matter of days or weeks. But you could have sex with them. Crazy girls, if identified, get one night stands – not protracted relationships that could give them many opportunities to bear my children without my consent.
Wald
So, I assume you are perfectly okay with raising a children in a toxic environment, dooming it to a life of melancholy and mediocrity.
Perhaps that is the reason you are above 40, single, fat, childless, and surrounded by cats.
So, I assume you are perfectly okay with raising a children in a toxic environment, dooming it to a life of melancholy and mediocrity.
Perhaps that is the reason you are above 40, single, fat, childless, and surrounded by cats.
Basic shaming, find better.
“If you think she is that f-d up…. Why are you having a sexual relationship in the first place?”
……you’re kidding, right?
You must be new.
How can you possibly measure the potential of a human being? You are opperating under the flawed premise that a child is 100% the product of their environment! Look at Carol Burnet, wildly successful, funnay as anything and the daughter of two abusive alcoholics. Look at Dr Ben Carson who’s actually illiterate mother married at age 13 to get out of her abusive home and was divorced from her cheating husband only a few years later. She raised her two boys in a crappy neighborhood in detriot and Ben grew up to be the best-known pediatric neurosurgeon in the world -and fought rampant racism to get there! He was the surgeon who was able to solve the problem of separating cranial siamese twins without them bleeding out, and in recent years has been working with a company that is making huge strides in treating cancer aind AIDS.
So congratulations! Your kid might have been the next Einstein! Your kid might have solved the problem of clean energy or been the president. But you were so selfish that your refused to give the kid a simple chance at LIFE! And instead subjected this possible genius to being brutally dismembered by his poor, very afraid mother whose biggest mistake was thinking you are worth a single dime.
DO NOT pretend that by brutally ripping a baby who can FEEL it inside his mother’s womb is some favor to the kid because you are too horrible to be anything resembling a human being and provide for the kid. Call it like it truly is: you murdered your kids because you are too selfish to be a human being. you use women for sex (you literally care for nothing else) and are a deeply self-centered boy-child who is incapable of a single emotion resembling compassion.
Being the sex-crazed jerk that you are is bad enough, but you push these poor girls into this horrible choice. This will come back on you. Don’t think for a moment that there won’t be consequences. It will coe back around and you’ll answer for this. You are intentionally damaging women too. that alone is bad enough. Can’t even call yourself a human being, much less a man!
Taking more time to discriminate instead of jumping into bed seems like a more reasonable solution to killing your child out of some fucked-up sense of compassion.
Maybe all the Western women you tend to mingle with are screwed up because you’re the kind of screwed-up person who thinks killing your child is doing them a favor? “Birds of a feather…”, right?
I do not operate under the flawed preposition that a child is completely formed by their environment. I never said those words and never implied them either.
I believe that the environment has a militant affect on a child’s growth and well being and I wish to provide the best environment for my future children as I can.
I notice you picked Einstein as an example. What if he had stayed in Nazi Germany with his smarts? He would have been used and then sent to concentration camp and executed. Is that what you want?
Wald
“I believe that the environment has a militant affect on a child’s growth and well being and I wish to provide the best environment for my future children as I can.”
Great, that’s admirable. But you’re acting as though the flip-side being presented to that ISN’T having your actual, already-here child killed by abortion. There’s your problem.
You cannot possibly know how a child’s life will play out. Many people rise from bad circumstances to make much of themselves. (See thinker below.) Everyone will experience suffering in their lifetime, but that doesn’t mean it’s okay to murder them. Fyi, I am a 20 year old college student. I am single and totally okay with it. I weigh about 110 lbs, and enjoy distance running as a hobby. You are right in thinking that I do not have any children, but unfortunately I don’t have any cats either, so I have to be content with wasting time looking at pictures of them online.
Thanks.
What do you mean by “your actual, already here child killed by abortion”? I have no child.
And no, I am not acting as if the flipside does not kill the child. It does. But I will not bring a child into this life if I think he will grow up wishing to take himself back out.
Who says I am jumping into bed? How do you know I am not descriminating?
What if I don’t jump into bed? What if I do descriminate. I am not infallible. I am prone to making mistakes. Girls are too. Sometimes one person wants a baby and the other doesn’t. Like gold-diggers and the like. That’s why I have a contingency plan.
I don’t think of killing a child that would be mine is doing them a favor. First and foremost, it is in my best interest not to have a child. I would be doing myself a favor. Call me a monster if you want. So be it.
However, that is not the only reason. If I could provide a child with a good environment and could afford the time and money to raise him, I would not get an abortion, even if it was an accident.
And it is true – birds of a feather do flock together. But I am getting better every day at discriminating between women with whom I involve myself with. The fact is, sometimes, you don’t know what kind of woman you’re with until it’s too late. Because there is a chance, even if remote, that that could happen, my contingency plan stands in place.
Wald
How gallant of you to hand over a death sentence to an innocent child because you deem his/her life not worth living just because you wanted to get your rocks off one time.
Wald, you are one of few men that are pro abortion that actually admit that your “Killing” a child….thought I would point that out to you…just in case you missed it! That means you are a confessed Murderer…how do you feel now?
Just go get your TESTICALS cut off Wald…you are seemingly an Idiot, that thinks himself wise. DILLUSIONAL!!!!…and a CONFESSED MURDERER!!!!!!! Your argument is like Piss in a toilet…the longer it is allowed to sit , the smellier it becomes….I think we should just stop trying to enlighten this fool.
Try getting to know her before you “Know” her….COMMONSENSE…
You are openly advocating murder of a child.
Your view of humanity, from all I have read here, is extremely utilitarian. That would put you with the likes of Stalin and Castro.
Wald, I weep for us. This site is the underbelly of humanity. I will be praying for you, specifically, for a long time. I want Jesus to flood your heart with His love.
As for my future unborn children, I wish to be nothing less than the best father that I can be to give them the best lives I can. If I cannot do so…
I kill them.
Wald, who taught you to be such a monster? Wow…
Wald,
This is why you should get to know a girl before you jump into her pants, but in our society, 3 dates is a normal time frame for a sexual relationship. Whatever time frame you’re working with it doesn’t seem to be long enough. Why would you even consider having sex with a girl if you didn’t want to care for her and love her?
What if your dad had pushed for an abortion????? Why do people never think of this point? Is it because you are so self centered that you don’t care, or that you don’t value yourself as a person enough to know your own dignity? Either way, I want to tell you that you are valuable, and all human life deserves love…including those girls you don’t get to know well enough before becoming too intimate with them.
Hope you have no unborn children. They would deserve better than a f*****d up asshole than you!
Love your observations & comments. Such human sense. Thanks for taking the time to do this.
Abortion is murder. There really is no way around it. Look at the court cases where men who have murdered a pregnant woman are charged with double murder. A Fetus is a LIVING human being and not just a mass of cells. The mess this world is in at the moment is caused by peoples in ability to control themselves and use proper LOGIC. Im not only talking about moral issues but also economic and social issues that we have. We were never meant to kill our children. This article is sick and shows the animalistic and inhuman side of this person.
Wald, no one knows what a child’s environment will be like beyond the first few years. Some people who have the happiest lives started out in misery, but rose above it.
Crazy girls are liable to murder you when they realize you think of them as one-night-stands. Why would you mess around with crazy?
“This site is the underbelly of humanity”
Nope. It is simple the inevitable result of a humanity that is no longer (98% accurate) anything but an underbelly. You may live in some isolated bubble amongst the remaining 2%, which is good for you, but puts you in a very poor position to give advice to those stuck on the other side. And, farfetched as it may seem to you, the only hope you’ll have preventing the walls of your little Catholic wonderland from being smashed down, and you and yours too being dragged into the dirt for the convenience and entertainment of the scum that has already destroyed the rest of a once decent place, is that more levelheaded people, like many posting here, manage to show the unwashed drones what an utter hellhole they really live in.
We’re salt and light, or at least we’re supposed to be. Ancient Rome was at least as messed up as the world is today, but Catholics overturned the Empire.
But hooker is all that these women are. It’s basically all that is left after 100 years of near universal progressive indoctrination. A woman that truly cared about who she let inside her body, would practice habits that ensured this was true. And then stick to them.
As this, and other game sites so thoroughly have documented, that is not what Western women currently do. Instead specifically selecting for men who give no indication of caring about her, when it comes to deciding who has access to her innards or not.
Hence, as you said; nothing but hookers. Virtually every one of them. And utterly undeserving of ever being treated as anything whatsoever different. Pumped, dumped, discarded, taunted, humiliated and, as quickly as possible, left to die to make room for someone presenting the possibility of being something at least a smidgen more.
Perhaps, but when you “pump and dump,” you lower yourself to their level. Think about it, what does it make you when you do a baby-making act with a woman who has no scruples about killing your baby? You become exactly what you hate when you do such a thing.
As a person who lived in a toxic environment with several awful physical and psychological disorders, I can tell you one thing: I love my life. I am so glad I’ve had the chance to become the person I am. Wald, I’m sorry you don’t understand that a person’s worth isn’t measured by how perfect their legs are or their family situation or their economic background.
By the way, just so you don’t think I’m a “drain on society” or something, I work at a nonprofit full-time and take evening classes in college. I might not have graduated high school with my class or have begun college on schedule, but I am loving my life and my education.
Would you say that my life wasn’t worth living, just because I came from a broken and abusive home and suffered under several “dis”abilities?
what a dad. so glad to know my own father wouldnt kill me for his own self gain. your descusting and i hope if you ever have children that they see this.
As the current empire will be overturned as well. To be replaced by, who the heck cares. Thank goodness.
You are already being dragged down to their level. “It’s the law,” as the stupid people say.
As for baby making with babykillers; in the first approximation, impregnating a woman who then turn around to kill your baby, gets you to pretty much the same endpoint as not impregnating her at all. Now, if you by doing the impregnating, manage to ruin the whore sufficiently that you block some progressive drone from being able to procreate, you’re actually ahead. But yes, compared to impregnating women less beholden to the current baby killing fashion, is definitely the preferred way to go.
Spot on, my friend.
Well said.
Your examples of people that turn out much different than their upbringing are outliers.
Most people turn out exactly the way they are brought up.
They don’t always seem crazy at first. They can seem normal for a while.
I don’t go searching for crazy girls. My point is that, as soon as I find out a girl is crazy, it ends there. That point can happen at any time. Luckily, I’ve never “experienced” crazy girl before.
The closest I’ve got to rubbing shoulders with crazy women is right here in this comment section.
If me and mine are “dragged into the dirt for the convenience and entertainment ” then we can live forever with the crowns of martyrdom. I pray that we have the strength.
I wasn’t going to bother pointing this out at the time, but Ben Carson is a product of his environment. I’ve listened to him speak and read one of his books, and from what I’ve seen it seems he channels his aggression, pain, and inadequacies into surgery; a positive pursuit/sublimation.
I was going to comment earlier but decided against it. I actually agree with your position Wald. I do think abortion is murder, but I’m not morally outraged by murder (just a little saddened), especially when viewed through the lens of history (as an aside, I’m always suspicious of those who are morally outraged by murder since they tend to be hypocrites (the most likely to burn you at the stake when worked up into a frenzy), or at the very least ridiculously passive aggressive). I, like you, look at life as a garden. The good gardener prunes his garden for the sake of his garden. That being said, many people have abortions (in my view) for the wrong reasons. The difficulty lies in knowing whether we’re pruning the sick, or the healthy, and that debate can be approached from so many different angles, especially when often the sick has a temporary “benefit”, or the healthy a temporary “cost”. It’s been my experience that in the long term though, the “sick” will always infect everything around it, just as the healthy and vibrant always raises up everything around it. The trick is to adjust the scale: take a step back to see the big picture. Think long term.
Easy. Then don’t get anyone pregnant and keep your genitals to yourself until you’re committed to raising a child. Once she’s pregnant, you’ve already brought someone into the world.
You say that at the end of the day, you look out for number 1 first…. So, you’re admitting that you’re selfish?
As for me, I’d be more okay with raising a child in the circumstances you described than I would be with murdering him/her.
Thanks for your level-headed response.
I tend to be suspicious of anyone who expresses moral outrage and uses that as a tool in furthering their arguments.
I agree with your reasoning. Not only do I wish not to raise a “sick plant”, I do not wish to raise a “healthy plant” only for it to get sick, wither, and die.
Agree on last point – most people fail to see the forest for the trees.
Yes, I am the most selfish person in the world. More selfish than Bill Gates and Donald Trump combined.
Now – why don’t you try actually responding to my arguments. To do otherwise, would be selfishly detracting from the debate that is taking place here.
Think of how many lives he influenced while in Nazi Germany though? I mean who knows how many lives he may have influenced by helping people and such? Would you want to deprive a child of a life spent helping people by doing small things for them? Also, how do you know that the environment any child you conceive with a woman is going to grow up in a horrible environment? How do you know that the mother won’t just simply give the child up for adoption and then the child will be raised in a wonderful environment?
Says the man who can’t get his point across without emphasizing certain words with all caps and too many exclamation points.
You advocate that I should be stupid, man up, and take care of a kid that I cannot care for, when I get my rocks off and a pregnancy occurs?
Raising a child on purpose in terrible environment is akin to child abuse. Should the child wish to take its own life because of such, then you’ve committed murder.
An aborted child dies in that they never get to live. The child you raise dies a slow, painful, death, and to add insult to injury, have to end it themselves.
Well, yes, raising a child in a terrible environment would be considered child abuse if by that you mean the parents are doing drugs and such. But there’s an alternative to that. The mother can always give her child up for adoption as soon as the child is born and then the child will be raised in a loving and caring home and will likely be provided with a college education and everything else he/she needs to not just survive but to thrive.
Also, I cannot even imagine the pain that an unborn child goes through when they are dismembered limb by limb. Would you really want to impose that on an unborn baby?
Are you proud of being selfish?
Also, I am sorry if you felt like I wasn’t responding to your arguments but when someone is being selfish I think it needs to be pointed out. Selfishness is not exactly an admirable trait in a person to say the least.
You’re right. The decision to kill the child – at the end of the day – is ultimately the woman’s.
She is the one killing the child.
Being selfish does not make me wrong. Discussing my selfishness is to debate the merits of my person and not my argument.
I am not a confessed Murderer, for I have killed no one.
I have merely confessed to what you consider as thought crime.
And confessing to such does not make me wrong. It’s nice to see your skill at deflecting actually debating the points I make.
Tell me. Do you have children?
No I do not and I will probably never have children. Why do you ask?
I was not addressing your argument in that post I made. I was addressing a character flaw that you have. One that you ought to address.
I wanted to illustrate a point.
Say you have children. Two boys. They grow up to be strapping young men with bright futures. However, war looms. Your government wishes to send them to Iran or Syria to search for Chemical Weapons or destroy Nuclear Reactors that may one day be capable of making Nuclear Weapons. Would you willingly send your sons to get deployed when there is a good chance they’ll die by gunshot or worse? Sure – they may survive – but I imagine you wouldn’t like those odds.
Does that sound reasonable?
Wald
You seem to be skilled at not addressing my arguments.
No, it makes you the father of a dead baby, and you’ll be changed forever by it. You’ll either deeply miss your child or become even more callous.
There is such a thing as being complicit in a crime, or an accessory to murder.
If someone doubts its his no one fair would object if he walks away.
I used to take sides with gamer sorts because they were manning up young guys to start mating, but the comments in this thread are appalling. Ugh!
Its like an abuse of men’s rights arguments, to justify selfishness and irresponsibilty enabled by feminism in the first place.
Gender politics, like other identity politics, is easily abused as an excuse for bad behaviour. That’s why people like these bitch about feminism – statements about the unfairness of reproductive choice are merely a convenient cover. This is what psychologists call a rationalisation.
The cover hides that the unfairness of society against most men actually works in their favour, and they would be pissed off if a government sympathetic to men’s rights came and abolished the feminist’s cop out.
Other mens rights don’t come into it.
And MRAs link to sites like these as part of some artificial ‘manosphere’, then they wonder why they’re so easily accused of double standards and misogyny.
Society is complicit. It aids and abetts abortion by normalizing it and trying to make it free for women by getting men to pay for it.
If people would actually believe men when they said the child was not theirs, this post would never exist.
True and I guess after seeing the rest of the site that the OP was likeliest dark humour. Nonetheless too many people think like this because of society.
At the end of the day there are people who are part of society and those of us who are not.
Anyway there are DNA tests.
Because of the society we live in, we have to adapt in order to survive. We know on this website that society does not hold our best interests at heart and yet expects us to man up and keep things running.
Sure – there are DNA tests. Sometimes they can be too late. There are so many variables to go through that could mitigate the mitigating factor of the DNA test that I think it is not worth the time to go through them all.
I simply wish to say, instead, that we’ve thought of it before. There’s a reason why this piece is only half-joking.
If it were so simple, this post would not exist.
To the extent its humour, though, it fails because there’s no obvious irony in it.
Everyone has bad thoughts, so long as they don’t act on them. But the real life morality (of anything) really is simple, that those who consent to risking new responsibilities are consenting to consequences.
I don’t object to anyone walking away if there’s ever reasonable doubt though. Just tell them they’re a child murderer if they threaten to do it and get them doxed.
(Future partners have a right to know what they’re sleeping with and the risks if there’s a pregnancy – and this works both ways…)
Amen!
Hate to break it to you hun. But the ancient desert scribblings you base your life around are a work of fiction. There’s no more evidence for god then there is evidence for: fairies, unicorns, or Santa.
If you get dragged into the dirt; then you just die in filth. And as a married soccer mom you are the least able in our society to endure suffering. How many: married, middle class, soccer moms do you see patrolling Afghanistan waiting to get their legs blown off; or working on oil rigs? The question answers its self.
Will Jesus blow me and swallow my cum in heaven? Because the women I bang on the regular will. If Jesus isn’t willing to at least match their offer, then I’m not interested!
I’ll do whatever I want with my genitals, and pressure as many women as I want into getting abortions! Try and stop me.
Maybe not. But I’m not willing to bankroll that baby against my will; with the threat of imprisonment looming over my head if I fall behind on payments. So all of that is irrelevant, and the woman should get an abortion.
If you’re willing to take my place, and shell out the cash to raise the kid then feel free. Otherwise mind your own fucking business.
Many women are only hookers.
Most men like pussy, but we don’t like responsibility. That’s why we push for abortions. Give us legal equality and let us unilaterally abandon our parental responsibilities like women currently can using abandonment laws, and this whole problem goes away.
Because sex with someone you barely know is one of lifes greatest joys. Seriously, never go full retard.
Good. Have fun in Hell and hope you don’t catch herpes.
Also, we’re ending abortion. Clinic workers are quitting and our side is shutting down abortion clinics left and right so you’ll have no place to take the women you so clearly despise.
By the way, just from reading all of your comments, you sound like an angry little boy who got cheated on by your b*tch. Sorry it didn’t work out…but don’t take out your aggression on women who don’t need your immature sh*t,
I hope I don’t get herpes too! 🙂
You call that ending abortion? You’re getting your asses handed to you. Nearly half a century after Roe vs. Wade abortions are: cheaper, easier, and safer to obtain then ever.
My local abortion clinic is doing just fine. No protestors and no hassle. Now women don’t even have to get a minor surgery done. They can just pop a pill that causes a miscarriage and have an abortion in the privacy of their own home. It’s no more of a hassle then having their period. I know because I had a friend that did it.
I had another fuckbuddy that was freaking out because she thought she was pregnant. I offered to let her stay at my house so she could go to the local abortion clinic. If I helped her out it would be a win/win. She would have a place to stay, and I’d be able to bang her with out a condom. Anyway you’re pretty cute Rachel. We should hang out sometime and see if we can talk out our differences. 😉
Here you go…
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/abortions-halted-at-16-texas-abortion-clinics-saving-an-estimated-50-babies
Also check your state law, pro-lifers like me have made it ILLEGAL for women to be coerced into having an abortion.
Also since you clearly have never seen an unborn child being murdered…here you go… http://www.dnatube.com/video/9141/Surgical-Abortion-done-to-remove-an-embryo-from-uterus
So sorry you clearly have no conscience and care for no one but yourself while thousands of people who do not have a voice have their limbs torn from their bodies like the child in the above video.
i think it would not be worse than to be…white, american, fat, bald, and hairless…like you must be…omega babe
hush, beacuse is the only human being that actually could get into his bed :c
I`m a lawyer, and what if we promote an according where the woman accepts having the child, but, IN ALL LEGAL CIRCUNSANCES, she sings up a letter that forbbids her to force you to attend the baby? im talking about giving money and all that shit you are so busy trying to make in your mediocre lifestyle?
just as you little slut <3
DAY NUMBER 45, we still searching for the so-called argument from our little boy wald…no signals
For god`s sake! it is beacuse you do not have any fucking argument!!! justifying your philias and demons it`s not an argument!!!
Actually, 5 months is equivalent to about 150 days. But who’s counting, right?
Yes. You owe it to your child. If you don’t want that responsibility, keep it in your pants.
“Eye has not seen, ear has not heard, nor has it entered into the hearts of men what God has ready for those who love Him.” There is no sex in Heaven, but there is such joy that sex will seem like a baby’s toy in comparison.
Now this may surprise you, but you’re not really an atheist. You worship yourself as God, asserting your own right to arbitrarily give and take life.
NEWS FLASH:
1. It’s irresponsible to have unprotected sex!
2. Your comment about “ruining a life” is almost laughable considering you are talking about MURDERING a person because YOU don’t want to be responsible!!! Don’t want kids? Get yourself fixed! Better yet, get a conscience.
NEWS FLASH :
1. Having protected sex isn’t 100% safe.
2. Vasectomy often isn’t reversible, so it’s not an option for most men.
Actually Vasectomies are reversible. Time is the determining factor. While a man can have a reversal of the procedure to restore his sperm, The longer he waits after having a Vasectomy can be the obstacle in which to overcome.
Not “are” but “may be”, the difference is important, it isn’t a dependable option.
Maybe should be sliced off then!
And that’s EXACTLY why you should be prepared should you have a baby. You don’t get to kill somebody just because you wanted to stick it down a hole.
so then be responsible with your actions in the first place.
If you are willing to kill a child then you should not need a reversal on the vasectomy that you obviously need.
If you are willing to kill a child then you should not need a reversal on the vasectomy that you obviously need.
If you are willing to kill a child then you should not need a reversal on the vasectomy that you obviously need.
How many children do you want, and how much sex do you desire? Bank your sperm and get the cut. Even with the cut, you still produce sperm that can be extracted in a procedure not more invasive than abortion. Do you really want to risk your entire life by creating children you don’t want?
heres an idea. if you wanna have kids then have sex with a girl u wanna have kids with, if you dont then either dont have sex or get the vasectomy. most guys willing to convince a girl to get an abortion should not have children imo and probably dont want any, anyways.
They are about 99% reversible. If a skilled doctor performs the surgery, there is very little problem reversing…it depends upon when the vas is cut. Simple anatomy lesson for the say. Idiot. Educate yourself. I’m sorry…that’s simply to much to ask of you obviously.
Having the vasectomy reversed doesn’t mean you’ll be able to impregnate a woman again. The more you wait, the more antibodies prevent it. So like I said, not a reliable option.
Thanks for your advice, but one girl isn’t enough.
Don’t know yet, if one day I’m sure I won’t want children later, I’ll sure get the cut, but until that I’ll stick with condoms for me and pill for them.
Yes, and vasectomies have been known to fail as well.
NEWS FLASH:
It’s irresponsible to have sex outside of marriage. Wait, that’s not news, that has been believed for centuries.
Let’s see, then what is the remedy? Oh, yes! ABSTINENCE.
I think you meant ‘castration’ not vasectomy, right? That’ll really cure the unwanted baby issue and make the guy ‘kinder, gentler, more like a WOMAN’ (and easier to saddle too).
‘Pill for THEM’… of course, I KNEW you were a slut.
No worries. Most women don’t want sex with little boys like YOU anyway. As for girls, I guess they just need to learn the difference between boys and men, but that only happens when they themselves are WOMEN.
But really we don’t want more idiots to breed anyway, ne c’est pas?
I always say that the only good thing about abortion is that some people ought not be allowed to procreate.
If we take that observation to its conclusion, that conclusion is not pro-choice.
Yeah because condoms never break, and women don’t ever poke holes in them to try and get a man to commit.
Well I am, and there isn’t shit you can do to stop me.
Hahahaha!
And there’s isn’t shit you can do to stop the comeuppance you’ll get and will thoroughly deserve.
I know plenty of men and women who weren’t wanted as children, some were abused. They grew to be happy, well adjusted adults. This excuse is a cop-out and quite frankly, a lame and desperate stand for abortion. This topic comes up a lot lately, my guy friends who have dated girls that got abortions are either disgusted by them, or very, very sad because it was their child who was destroyed by that decision. my girl friends who have gotten them, and there are some, deeply regret their choice and have battled years of depression, nightmares, regrets… and so much more. my husband and I are low income, and our two children are very happy and very loved, even though one was not planned. There was a lot of nervousness at first about our ability to provide for our first child, but we adjusted.
Oh, and when I have asked my friends who were unwanted or abused or had an effed up family life for whatever reason if they would have rather never been born, but rather aborted, they said NO, they enjoy and value their life and have overcame their difficult upbringing.
It must be nice to have your husband and a nice stable family. Would you feel the same way if you were single and much younger and not ready for kids?
I did, and still do.
I’m happy for you. Glad life has worked out for someone.
It’s still a work-in-progress, as it is for most people. But a lack of stability is a shitty excuse for killing your child, I’ve found.
Absolutely. Because what you didn’t know before you made your assumption, is my husband and I weren’t together when I was pregnant. I was 18 years old, and going through a very rough time in my life. Upon finding out I was pregnant, I realized I had some choices to make. My husband, the father of my children, realized the same thing. At the time we were unsure of whether we wanted to be in a relationship, but decided to try to make it work. Obviously not all women are as lucky as I was to end up with the man who fathered their child, and have him be a decent and loving man, but I was single and didn’t even know how things would turn out for the first couple months of pregnancy. One thing I did know, it wasn’t the child’s fault, and even though I had never interacted with children before, I would do my absolute best, because abortion was never an option. I told my future husband, not looking for his commitment, but wanting him to have the same opportunity I was going to have; to raise a child.I was blessed in the outcome of that situation
Don’t you pity whichever girl ends up with my spawn? I’m neither loving nor decent. I’m despicable and selfish. Her life is going to have a very different outcome. Would you seriously wish anyone to have someone like me bonded eternally into their life? You think any child deserves the punishment of having me as the baby daddy?
Heather..I appreciate you courage as a young woman. All to often in our society young women are coerced into believing that they are not capable of being mothers and you never let that stop you. That is something to be admired. I know you wouldn’t label yourself a Hero, but your child certainly does.Thanks!!!!
Adoption. If mom wants to keep the baby; take financial responsibility. Be a man, not a cowardly wimp. I pity you, you have no human dignity perception whatsoever. Banging and bashing is your apparent motto. You must be an angry person as well. Dude, get some help. Read Humanae Vitae, learn about NFP, religion or no religion. Learn something beautiful about human life and sexuality. This culture is killing you.
How many unwanted children have you adopted into your loving home? I believe every child deserves a family that loves and can take care of him/her.
Stop feeling sorry for yourself and do something about your problems. Forget about the past and focus on being a good man from now on. Jesus will fix whatever afflicts you, if only you let Him. Jesus has made great saints out of murderers; He can do the same with you.
Well Tiger, don’t you know that the first step towards any healing process is accepting and admitting that you have a problem. You’ve just done that. So yes I believe that in the end you’ll most probably make a great dad.
If you’re not ready for kids, DON’T HAVE SEX!
How about oral and anal sex? That won’t get you pregnant!
No.
Oh, you finally convinced me!
Isn’t it good to know you can avoid that misery your entire life for as little as $350? http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/birth-control/vasectomy-4249.htm
That’s actually a very good idea. I thought it would be much more expensive.
I kind of did the same thing. I was 21, not ready for kids, but obviously having a good ol’ time and participating in the things which create them. The only options for me when I found out I was pregnant were #1 marry my boyfriend and do the best I could to create a great home for my innocent baby, #2 give her up for adoption #3 keep my baby and have a go at life single. I chose number one because I believed that being in a loving home with a mother and father is an inherent right for any child coming to earth and the safest place for any baby to be. We’ve now been married for 14 years and have 5 awesome kids, and a really amazing life. Heather – you are awesome!
Tiger, if thats how you feel, please sterilize yourself.
We don’t like responsibility. Hence abortions for everyone!!!! Now start sending me 23% of your pre-tax income, against your will, under the threat of jail time if you are unable to pay due to: illness, injury, or unemployment. Be a woman, not a cowardly wimp!
What? Doesn’t sound like a good deal? Welcome to our world. I doubt you or your pussy christian friends have enough balls to call me a coward to my face though. If you did things would end with an epic beating.
Or just make any chick you knock up have an abortion!
You are a white man! you are supossed to be an awful person 😀
But you are forgetting something my beloved imitation of a man, you will get older, and all your money, and all your “status” will be worthless beacuse you will need someone else to take care of you, beacuse, you know, i haven`t met a single man of your doomed white american race that can stand tall after the 70`s (neither the long lived dr koop) they even need help fromg od! and that`s what i enjoy the most of all the radical feminist and MRA`S when they are all alone, with their stupid kittens and pride respectivly, repentig of absolutley everthing they have done.
I`m starting to believe that the only thing you recieve from a woman is a very friendly and humoristic laugh (of pity of course)
As you said, you don’t like responsibility. Therefore, I have no sympathy at all if you are stuck paying child support against your will; you deserve that fate.
If you ruin their life its coz you were a shitty dad lol
And your shiftiness obviously extends to your competence at picking women, since she is ultimately the one making the decision to kill her own kid. Not you, who is just some dude with no say in the matter.
Solution: Only date feminists – no guilt, they’ll jump at the opportunity to express their freedom. And you’ll be powerless to say otherwise.
Killing is killing. If the child were allowed to live and given for adoption they would be ALIVE. Dead is dead is dead. How about you just don’t be a deadbeat dad and don’t be the dad of a dead baby either?
Then those buddies should have not been having casual sex. The intended result of sexual intercourse is pregnancy.
Pregnany is only the intended result of sex if the participants intended to be parents. If not, it’s an accident.
A dictionary should be enough to prove it to you.
Humans average 1 pregnancy for every 1,000 sex acts. People who: are infertile, not ovulating, don’t desire children, or are past their childbearing years all have sex. Obviously producing a baby is not the only purpose of having sex.
Do you think destroying the fetus is not ruining the baby’s life?
Nope. I wish you people hadn’t stopped my mother from going into that clinic years ago. My life blows.
Your life doesn’t have to blow. Pick it up and learn. You know for a fact that what you are doing is Not Making You Happy. Stop buying into the things that blow and start respecting life and respecting love. You will be a new person. Read, research. Help others, it takes your mind of yourself and you will see what love is like.
Sounds like you keep bad company with buddies like that!
have you ever heard of adoption??? just because you don’t want a kid doesn’t mean that there aren’t THOUSANDS of couples who CAN’T have kids but desperately want one…. I’m SOOO glad that my birth mother was unselfish enough to have me and then give me up for adoption instead of killing me! How about someone write an article about how to convince your girlfriend to give up your unwanted child for adoption??
Most of the women who will be okay to let the child be adopted at first will change their mind once it’s almost there so it is not a reliable option, abortion is safer.
You can’t rely on adoption. Women change their minds all of the time. Which is why you have to push for an abortion.
I’d actually prefer adoption if I could guarantee my own safety by legally and unilaterally abandoning my parental rights like women currently can by using safe haven laws. But until men have legal reproductive equality I’m not taking any chances.
Stop wathing too many soapoperas :C
You’re right, having a child you never wanted is irresponsible. So maybe, instead of having to correct your promiscuousness with another despicable act (murder), you should keep it in your pants until you’re man enough to handle the consequences of your actions. (Btw, you will not be man enough until you have made the commitment of marriage) Sex isn’t a sport, it isn’t meant solely for pleasure, it is most certainly not something to be taken lightly – sex should be held in high esteem because it CREATES LIFE. It is unfathomable to me how this reality is not apparent to you, and others like you. It’s disgusting, how you disregard something so sacred as life. What if your mother had done to the same to you? What if your father had been a lying low life and used methods like those above to convince her to have an abortion when she had your precious life in her womb? Think about it.
I can sympathize with your fear of being a deadbeat dad, no one wants that, but what is the alternative? Being a murderer? Use common sense, I beg you.
“Btw, you will not be man enough until you have made the commitment of marriage”
Thanks, but I’ll stick my definition of “man enough”. And it is only murder in your book, live by it if you want but as long as it is legal in mine I’ll be fine.
Go ahead and tell me I’m not a man to my face pussy. Christians are the biggest cowards, always the first to run away from confrontation. I on the other hand love a good brawl!!
Ever heard of exercising self-control and not having sex until you are married and able to care for a potential child as well as respecting the woman you love? This is why sex outside of marriage is irresponsible.
Thank you but most of us prefer multiple partners and no mariage. To each his own I guess?
Sex is fun! You should try it. I like it and it makes me happy. And it’s not premarital sex if I have no intention of getting married.
I’m totally stealing that line!
Being ripped apart to pieces in the womb can ruin a kid’s life too, you know!
I had an abusive and neglectful childhood and I believe I was generally unwanted as well as barely cared for. However I do not wish that I had never been born.
My mom has always told me I should have been an abortion as I ruined her life by being born. I could be a poster child for the pro-choice movement.
Fine, don’t suggest it. Just slip the morning after pill in her coffee. That’s alpha.
that’s why Andrew Weber is going to jail.
There is hope and healing for you…<3 http://www.fatherhoodforever.org/
I hope you can get the healing you need. Please keep telling what you have gone through to help educate other men that there are serious consequences to killing a child.
who are all of you losers
thank you
I don’t regret my abortions. Neither does my husband. If our birth control fails again, we abort again.
Poor children. I’m sorry they were hated by their parents who then had them killed. And I’m sorry the ones that were allowed to live had to lose their siblings and then be raised by such barbarians.
You can’t complain or cry victim if someone decides to harm you or kill someone you love. You know, you can’t take it, don’t dish it out. If you like killing it will come back to bite you in some fashion. Me, me me gets very old and boring. You have no passion for life, just material crap that quickly fades, then on to the next crap that fades. Selfishness doesn’t satisfy because you find out the world doesn’t revolve around you. Your selfishness doesn’t shock anyone any longer. It just makes people pity you.
Apparently the definition of “Fucked up person” is “HailMary.”
May God heal you.
Getting a girl to do what you want is never BETA faggot. How is getting what you want (in this case an abortion) not ALPHA? BTW only a little bitch could me haunted 15 years later from paying for an abortion. You made the decision for your girlt to get an abortion at the time live with your decision.
He has a heart my friend.
Anyway, it’s like saying “you decided to pull your pants down, now live with the consequences (pregnancy)”.
Are people thick? Do they not know that sex may normatively lead to pregnancy? A grasp of basic philosophy and biology is sadly lacking these days. Pregnancy is the objective purpose of sex, it’s not a coincidental affect of it. The whole reason we find it pleasurable is to motivate us to procreate. If you use the pleasure for an end in itself, it’s not natural sex in the same way rabbits do it. But nature doesn’t care if you’re doing it for pleasure, if it can, it will get you pregnant.
you are right and good in being haunted. it’s really traumatizing to be pushed into doing something like that, something that intense and heavy, when you don’t totally want to. it can ruin a person.
Fuck you! I was unable to convince a girl to have an abortion, and the negative effects still haunt me to this day. I’d rather stab a pregnant woman in the belly and go to prison for assault with a deadly weapon for a decade or two; then deal with more baby mama drama.
You’ll go to prison for life for murder if you pull a stunt like that.
Bless your heart, Player. I hope you can find some local pro-life groups to join up with? God bless.
You are absolutely correct. It shows lack of character and manhood. Thanks for that.
Thank you for realizing this and for speaking up!
I’ll happily sign up to be the turd in the punchbowl. Having or not having kids is OUR responsibility, not theirs, and that’s the principal reason I skimmed this. The whole existence of the manosphere is predicated on our need on a visceral level to reconnect men and society, and that’s where personal responsibility comes in. If you don’t want to knock a woman up, either bag up or choose one of the other two holes nature oh-so-thoughtfully included. For my part, while I’ve had a close call or two from being young, dumb, etc, that’s the risk we take. Further, with all the advice given here, the one constant truism is that we must judge women by their actions rather than words and intentions. Why in the name of St. Thomas’ sphincters would you trust your future to anyone but yourself?
tl;dr: article tries to justify abdicating personal responsibility. Includes useful tips on how to be passive-aggressive. Alternate title: Weasel Words for Men Lacking Self-Control.
Such a courageous position to take preaching “responsibility” to the niggers. Responsibility to what, for what? Ah, duty to your feminist masters, you pussywhipped beta fool. Men have no parental rights: they have zero responsibility, and it is in fact their duty to resist by all means necessary
Responsibility to yourself; and for yourself. To live deliberately and well. I have no idea what you’re ‘resisting by all means necessary.’ Maybe critical thinking? I wish it was writing.
You’re a dope.
For what? Saying that if you want a good life, you do what’s best for yourself, even if it means developing some self control? Yeah, that sure sounds dumb to me, but as I noted above, I never let someone else control my fate with her vagina. Who’s the greater dope? The man who has to plead and beg some cum dumpster not to carry his legacy of poor life choices into the world, or the one who never gets into that situation because he completely refuses to gamble a lifetime of unwilling servitude in exchange for an 8 second orgasm?
No, for saying something that is 1) demonstrably false, and 2) pushing for greater inequality, namely that it’s our responsibility entirely whether children are had or not. And women who make the actual decision itself? No, of course not, why would we hold women responsible for their own choices? Obviously it’s better to find a guy to hold responsible for her decision, right?
Then, for compounding it by saying:
“The whole existence of the manosphere is predicated on our need on a visceral level to reconnect men and society, and that’s where personal responsibility comes in.”
While apparently forgetting that men are already held to a ludicrously high standard of hyperresponsibility in matters of reproduction, namely pay or go to jail. What more responsibility did you have in mind?
Yes, our society needs greater personal responsibility, but the need exists in women, expanding male responsibility won’t fix the problem, it will only compound an existing problem, pushing the pendulum further in the wrong direction.
Look at some of the people who gave you thumbs up, maybe that should give you a hint whose side you’re on.
And again, you’re completely missing my point. I don’t give a shit about assigning blame or shared responsibility for an unwanted pregnancy. I care about the fact that only a dumbass gets into that position in the first place. This article was not talking about father’s rights, entrapment, or anything like that, just unwanted pregnancies. Sure, both people have skin in the game, but it’s our lives we’re worried about, so the only way to mitigate that is by controlling OUR LIVES. Attempting to control others doesn’t work anyhow. Of course it’s not right or fair that once she’s pregnant our lives are no longer ours, but that doesn’t make it any less our fault. We CHOSE to bang her and gamble that everything would work out fine. Once the load is dropped, the consequences are no longer in our power to control, so prior planning is that much more important. I say that gambling like that is asinine and stupid. Any time a man is a position where he has to get on his knees and ask someone, man or woman, to help make his mistakes go away, he makes himself into less of a man.
Aaand the post quality goes down again.
Honestly, the 2nd and 3rd suggestions are just horrible. Your first suggestions seems like the noble way of doing it. In the end though, if she does go through with it she’s going to resent you no matter what. It could be her idea to get rid of it, but she will not take responsibility for any of it. It will be your fault and only your fault.
After the deed is done, never speak to her again. This type of things puts bad mojo in the air between the two involved parties.
Enjoyed the post, like a 21st century iteration of what would Machiavelli do.
Flag waving and social responsibility aside, have some people forgotten how much more enjoyable unprotected sex is? Seriously, by divine design, it’s a man’s favorite place to put his favorite thing.
Getting what you want without compromise is power. Author proposes good ideas over a taboo topic.
Plan 4; I have two passports baby, do the right thing, I’d prefer to stay here.
Another shitty RoK post for dumb closet homos over-Googling PUA terms after a failed first date with a 5. And it’s even morally shitty, too. A two-fer.
You forgot that after the Hail Mary you’re supposed to take the girl to McDonald’s for an egg-mcmuffin. This is, presumably, where you’d break up with her.
Or Taco bell, for a breakfast taco.
Carl’s Jr / Hardee’s for the French Toast Sticks …. it lets the girl fantasize that you took her to a nice place, like a Denny’s
Yeah, and where’s the author’s fucking credit to Tom Leykis, eh?
He coined and popularized the Hail Mary and probably saved tens of thousands of west coast American men from 18 years of child support hell or dismal marriages to wall-victim banshees.
Shit, abortion is how we got stuck in this feminist rathole in the first place; now we have a writer on the web’s best mens’ site telling us to bow to the feminist overlords? Yes, shit happens, but life is unfair. Sometimes you have to take responsibility for your actions.
In just about any other situation, if you killed someone to cover for yourself you would be (deservedly) sent to the electric chair. But, if you’re killing an unborn baby, well, then thats cool, and hey, you can get a college degree out of it. That is the sign of a truly fucked society–a society that chooses to kill the next generation merely because they are inconvenient.
Oh, and that tagline underneath the article name on the homepage is retarded. “Her body?” No, its the child’s body which is in question. The mother’s body is not the one thats gonna get its brains sucked out with a mini vacuum cleaner. Congrats for regurgitating feminist bile.
Agreed +1000. See my comment from a previous RoK post:
THE ABORTION CONSISTENCY TEST:
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We have ended over 50 million young lives since Roe v. Wade. Adding more to this number because some people are less loving parents than others does not make sense. Killing people because those people _may_ grow up unhappy or poor or not cute or tall or… is only a few steps away from aborting humans because they may grow up to be human.
I have noticed that the more strongly a person supports abortion, the more likely that person loooves animals. Here’s a quick abortion consistency test: if animals were aborted as frequently and as callously as humans, where would you stand?
Before you decide, look at these graphic pictures of aborted humans and ask yourself what your reaction would be if those were puppies or kittens:
http://www.100abortionpictures.com/Aborted_Baby_Pictures_Abortion_Photos/
If life begins at 12 weeks, there should be no need to terminate it before 12 weeks. IF IT’S NOT LIFE, THERE’S NO NEED TO KILL IT.
The ultimate goal of feminism is to remove blame from women. Supporting the taking of inconvenient life supports this goal. Where do you stand?
I’m a strong supporter of abortions. I’d gladly strangle 100 puppies to death with my own hands, if it meant I wouldn’t have to deal with anymore baby mama drama!
you forgot to mention to verify that she is actually pregnant before your fork over the money for the procedure
Don’t fork over the money. Take her to the clinic to make sure it gets done — and that it’s not a scheme or that she doesn’t back out at the last minute.
What happened to just pushing her down the stairs?
Just an aside for the all people giving it the “man up, take responsibility” bit: condoms are only about 80% effective when used normally. When men don’t have the reproductive choices or rights that women have, why wouldn’t they turn to Machiavellian schemes to counterbalance?
Also, introduce a male pill and watch the pregnancy rate plummet, and the feminists and conservatives rage about Peter Pans. LULZ would be had.
Advocating for the killing of children because “we don’t have as many opportunities as them”, is getting awfully close to the kind of post hoc rationalizations many here revel in chastising women for. Just saying….
LOL at all the guys talking about ‘taking responsibility’. we aren’t responsible in any way for our kids unless we are given authority over them. whoever heard of being responsible for something you have no power over?
Can’t speak for the others, but when I wrote about it, I was talking about taking responsibility for ourselves- not for our consequences, but for choosing the best solution every time, which means harder decisions and better lives for us.
Can’t say I disagree with that. But even so, doing the best you can to see to it that some random kid gets to die violently, in order to save a few bucks, is pretty far into murky territory, as far as morals go.
Then make sure you don’t hook up with someone who would keep your children away from you. And if your partner *does* get pregnant, then be a man and fight for your child’s life, not manipulate to kill them. For despite what our bad laws claim, not only to you have a right to protect your children, but a responsibility!
I hate this society which has sissified our men into weaklings! Us women want REAL men, so encourage your brothers to be REAL men and only then will you find REAL women. Because real women won’t give you the time of day if you aren’t the type to respect and protect them or your children.
What is a “Real man”
someone who shoots themselves in the foot.
Jesus Christ is our example of masculinity.
A boy who has matured.
Someone with a dream for the future and the will to do his part to call it into the present. Someone who will put two people instead of one in his pictures of the future. Someone who feels strong when he makes himself a place of protection. Someone who takes pride in providing for the people that he invites into his present and his future. That’s a man. That’s what a boy that has reached adulthood looks like.
Uh oh….and here we have the feminist shaming all over again.
“Real man” this and “real man” that. Remember that we don’t have traditional gender roles anymore. So men can do whatever they want. I am a “real man” as long as I am physically male.
Yet another person wanting rights but not willing to take responsibility.
You’re responsible (or should be, if you’re a decent human being – I make no assumption) for the outcome of your own actions. If you can’t see how that translates into taking responsibility for your kids I can give you a quick run down of how sexy time usually works.
I think this article belongs in the forums instead of ROK. Some heads will explode when feminists find out the manosphere is actively promoting their favorite pasttime.
I am glad you posted this. Feminist treat men as subhuman, the manosphere treats women as subhuman, and both treat the unborn as subhuman. Evil loves company.
And the Catholic Church revels in rolling over for either one of them…….
im surprised by the copious butthurt in the comments here.
if men had the choice to unilaterally opt out, as women do through abortion/adoption, these measures wouldn’t be necessary. of course, if men could opt out, women would have to be more careful about which dick they allow inside them. while this would produce a better result for society as whole, it would reduce the market supply of pussy.
You can opt out. It’s called a vasectomy.
Not reversible, so not an option.
Vasectomy has been thrown around a few times. Having a vasectomy is (emotionally) not a easy thing to do. I doubt I would ever want kids and yet I would never want a vasectomy. I feel “whole” and the thought of mutilating myself in such a way would make me feel “not-whole” (I opted out of having my wisdom teeth pulled for the same reason!). You can right this off as selfishness/neuroticism/etc., but as far as I can tell, much of the “evil” in this world comes from people who (given my use of the term), don’t feel “whole”/they feel “empty/castrated”. Jeffrey Dahmer, the serial killer, is an extreme example of the point I make here.
Tham wjy does female promiscuity exist?
This has got to be the easiest one in the world. Just spoon-feed her all the feminist drivel Western girls love so much. You’ll have more free time… you could get a job… it’s your body… etc.
Think really long and hard before trying to convince a girl you have knocked up whether or not to have an abortion. The convenience of not having a little bastard child running around may haunt you mentally for years, if not decades, or even the rest of your life. I’m not saying it will happen to everyone, but I know more then one man who deeply convincing an ex-girlfriend to have an abortion. Just something about it really messes with your mind.
If the girl does not or will not have an abortion, you still have two viable options. The first is marry her if you think something half decent might be made of it. Even if you do later get divorced at least you were able to have some control over the part of your paycheck that will go to child support after the divorce.
The second is to get yourself a lawyer and inform her that you want no legal paternal rights to the child. Depending on the jurisdiction, this can minimize child support payments. The more you are involved in the child’s life the more you pay up till the point where you have primary custody. Even then, as a man, you will still probably pay something even if you have primary custody. If you have a lawyer and she is in a situation where you not having any paternal rights is desirable you can probably settle with her for limited monthly payment or a lump sum. (A judge will still need to approve it because the test is the “best interest of the child” and not that of the mother or father). It will not be cheap, but still cheaper then paying for a kid you do not want and never see for the next eighteen years.
This is a mean and cruel article.
Hence suitable for a mean and cruel, post civilized world.
“With only two birth control options available to men (a condom and a vasectomy)”. What about pulling out and blowing your muck on her tits/face?
Is this for real or is it meant as satire? I can’t tell.
This site is not for you so why are you here?
I followed a link. It’s not like this is a secret group, and it’s not, as far as I can tell, a particularly offensive question.
Most of you have several abortions in your file. You just don’t know of them because she swallows the pill without saying shit. This is especially true if you are traditionalist conservative.
Apparently ignorance really is bliss.
Even assuming you are correct; You, as in men, do not have abortions (Abortion clinic workers aside). Since you, the man, do not get pregnant. And the law prevents you from forcing a woman to have an abortion against her will. Hence, abortions are something women have, not men.
I don’t use oral contraceptives for this very reason. My husband and I welcome the children God gives us.
I eat mines soon after they are born, to each his own.
You had to pay for two abortions? I can’t believe any woman would even sleep with a cretinous fuck like you.
If you can’t take responsibility for your own actions then you shouldn’t be allowed to have a dick. I bet your parents wish they’d aborted you. I do.
I guess the only positive from this post is that we now know you have at least not reproduced. Thank fuck for that!
Paying for abortions to ensure a girl doesn’t get stuck with a kid she can’t afford to raise is not “taking responsibility for your own actions”? DOES NOT COMPUTE
Does it twice and you’re ok with it?
I really hope this is satire
Truth/Satire.
It happened to me once I was on holiday. She was 19 and we were in Madrid. It took me a whole night to convince her and I told her “your father will kill you if he finds out”. The next morning I went with her to the clinic and in 30 minutes the “situation” was solved.
And if she refuses?
An accident down the stairs?
Pass the popcorn. The comments should be “popping”.Lolz.
No tipjar for bacon.
Murdering innocent children because one or both of their parents were irresponsible pricks – genius. /sarcasm
A fetus is not a child, in the same way that the 3 year old bag of cake-mix in the cupboard is not a cake.
You sir, just failed biology.
Your writing depicts women like they are nothing more than seminal commodes . WHo is to say that if you do become a father that you will have to pay child support or that you will never be allowed to see your child ? Stop listening to your friends who are telling you this . Dads have rights . If you know a man that is paying child support but does not see his kid he isnt telling you the whole story . This is so easy . Why fork out the money for an abortion ?? Fix the problem for good . Look in the mirror, now say to yourself ” I dont want to be a real man , I dont desire a relationship with a women , I just want to use them for sex. My penis was meant to be a wonderful thing , i do not deserve it . ” Then take a knife and chop it off . You will never face another unplanned pregnancy or pay for another abortion. Also you can not detect autism on an ultrasound . Secondly the pill abortion is only effective before the 8th week . The cost of an average early abortion is around $500.00 . After about 11 weeks it can cost more than having the kid . I sincerely hope that you grow up . This is no way to look at women and no way to live your life .
“Your writing depicts women like they are nothing more than seminal commodes .”
But, women who would voluntarily go down to an abortion clinic to kill her own child (The decision is hers, and hers only, after all), IS nothing more than a “seminal commode.” I’d honestly argue that she isn’t even fit for that, and am pretty darned sure that those with the sense to demote such whores from seminal commodes to rock throwing targets, are the ones that will inherit the earth; but that probably wouldn’t fly on a game site. So seminal commode she gets to remain. For another decade or two, until she hits the wall and become completely useless.
What does that make the males who have sex with them? HINT: What goes into a commode?
The inevitable inhabitants of a shitty world.
ROKs religious troll problem continues to grow.
Grow?
You mean like the innocent CHILDREN would GROW were it not for the persuasion skills OF you and your FLOCK.
Fine. I’ll have the kid if you can guarantee 1000% that you or someone else will care for it properly, that I will never, ever be bothered and that the mother cannot do anything about it.
You give me the legal protection, I’ll give you the kids. Women get plenty.
Come on Roosh, ban them.
They are too many of them!
It’s just a hit-and-run from this post going viral on Twitter. They’ll be gone in 2 days.
You should shoot an email to the mods at Jezebel and ask them what they do in this situation.
They are too many of them!
It’s just a hit-and-run from this post going viral on Twitter. They’ll be gone in 2 days.
Banning people you disagree with is the ultimate beta. If have the truth, then we should be easy to deal with.
Uh oh! Let’s not ban anyone, it might make us beta in the eyes of aging catholic housewives.
One word solution: Lions.
Next up from Return of the Kings: “How to convince a girl to have sex with you! (and how to get away with it if they say no) ;D”
It’s not about the family you are not ready to start, it is about your son or daughter that you already have in this world. The question isn’t whether or not you are ready to be a dad, it is– what are you going to do with the son or daughter you already unintentionally brought into this world? Preventing pregnancy is one thing, but being pregnant is another. If she is pregnant, it’s too late for preventing fatherhood, you already are a dad. The question is what kind of dad are you going to be? Shit does happen but that doesn’t mean you have to be a shitty dad and take the life of your kid. And no matter what your pro-abortion response is now, your outlook will change when/if you ever grow up.
If you actually follow this advice you’re not a man, you’re a selfish, ignorant, woman using little boy who needs to highly consider getting a vasectomy to avoid even having to think about pregnancy being a possibility for his partner. Abortion murders an innocent child and often leaves one or both parents with life long guilt and regret.
Just so everyone here is clear, this MirandaElizabeth slag thinks that fatherhood isn’t even based on DNA, it’s based on who she thinks should pay. To quote one of her previous idiotic drawls,
“I firmly believe that DNA doesn’t matter, it’s who is there
for the child day in and day out that does. My ex is not in the picture
for a very long list of reasons, my fiance is the only dad she has ever
known.”
Just another tradcon child-woman dullard who thinks the nation should be a lineup of men forming around the block to man up and take care of her bastard spawn.
My son’s father died when he was a baby. I guess my son would be considered illegitimate, but I am now married to the love of my life. He is the only father my son has ever known, and they are not related by DNA. Do you have something snarky to say about that one?
yea hes a bastard and your new husband is a cuckold
Were you married to the kid’s father at the time of conception? Or is the poor kid simply a whoreson?
As harsh as it may seem, no society survives to provide sustenance for it’s citizens, if it is composed of whores, cads and bastards. While you in your little rationalizing bubble may feel that judging you this way is mean and cruel; men abstaining from doing so are why the West is on it’s last leg, to be conquered by societies where the men are not so cowed.
I suppose you speak of the East as the forward thinking society that will conquer the West? Lemme guess you speak specifically of the Middle East? Like, Syria perhaps? Or Libya? Iran? Perhaps you mean the Far East like China? China is not interested in conquering the West. They rely on American wealth to fuel their own economy, so either you are not very intelligent, or you are just trying to troll with silly claims.
People capable of organizing themselves such that they manage to both give birth to, and raise, healthy children in their own image; will inherit the earth. Kids benefitting from paternal involvement are better off than those that don’t. Men are more interested in being involved in raising their own kids than some whore’s bastard. Combine the above. t ain’t rocket science.
He’s not a cuckold; he’s a stepfather. The difference is that he married her knowing that the kid wasn’t his, but chose to act as his father anyway. Adoption is to be lauded, precisely because the love given to an adopted child is wholly voluntary.
If she wants a good father for her kids, then she needs to be a good wife for him. That means that she has sex only with him, does not undermine him in front of the kids, and gives him the honor due his status as her husband.
And, and this is a biggie; neither directly nor indirectly support anyone bent on challenging his ability to lead and provide for his family as he deems best. For those of slower minds, that in practice currently means government and all those deriving their authority from it.
Yes, I do 100% believe that DNA isn’t what makes you a dad. What makes a man a dad is when he takes care of a child whether they share DNA or not. The thing is that I do not think men should just line up to help me with my daughter. I didn’t even think about asking my now husband for help until the day he looked at me and told me he wants to be the one my daughter looks at as daddy because he loves both of us. He volunteered to step up to that role of daddy. So maybe you should think before you start using such idiotic and degrading stereotypes.
Cool.
Well I 100% believe that DNA isn’t what makes you a mom. What makes a woman a mom is when she takes care of a man’s children.
FYI, as we define biology out of motherhood, your parental rights will slowly wither away, sound good?
I do take care of my daughter, she is either with me or with her daddy 24/7. I do everything for my daughter as she is my life, I have been with her since day 1 and she will always come first. My parental rights will go nowhere because I’ve earned the title mommy unlike my ex who has not earned the title daddy but has instead earned the title of sperm donor.
I would like to add a fourth “failsafe” option. After you try one of the above mentioned methods and cannot convince her an abortion is the best option, then you are left with only one more out, but this out can do the same thing as the abortion. ADOPTION. You must convince her that the best option for the child is to be put up for a adoption. There are plenty of American couples on waiting lists for American babies that cannot reproduce themselves. It has just enough altruistic angles you can play that it may be convincing. This saves you from having to either raise the child or provide child support. If you choose to be a part of the 9 months leading up to the adoption then that’s up to you……
A girl near her 9th month will be very likely to change her mind about adoption, so it sure isn’t reliable. But it can be a “plan B”.
This is not pro-choice. This is pro-abortion. You dont want her to have a choice at all. In fact you want to take her choice by forceful manipulation if you have to.
Why is her having a choice superior to him having it? Or are you truly equally appalled every time a woman is the one using the choice you so highly laud, to choose abortion?
The stupid are immune to reason, it’s best not to bother. This ridiculous female has spent the last two hours attention whoring all over the thread talking about herself, her decision to abort, and how much she’s grown (as if anyone here should give a shit), while telling us we’re boys for not having a purely matrifocal view.
Are you really interested in what she has to say?
Such a kind and caring soul. Any woman would be proud to make your acquaintance. This is what I love about these conversations. Bringing out the best in the opposition.
Oh, Mrs. “Male is inferior in intellect,” forgive me if I don’t recognize your towering moral stature. I don’t argue with your kind because you’re total fools, and no other reason.
You certainly seem to fit the bill. And I think you are arguing with me…. Fool.
It’s not superior. I just call it like I see it. Pro-choicers are really not about choice. There is only one choice. Abortion. So call yourselves what you are. Pro-aborts. We all know that, but it is nice to have it proven every once in awhile.
OK. I’m pro abortion.
Actually, I’d like to see mandatory abortions for all ugly chicks; cause ugly chicks just have ugly babies which leads to more ugly chicks.
Where does it all end?
How about because she’s the one going to have the procedure or the pregnancy? At the end of the day if a man and a woman disagree then the person who actually has the foetus inside them is the one who will make the choice. Only the deranged would try and argue why the opposite should be true.
It’s her body. Ergo it’s her choice. It’s really not that hard to get your head round.
Why is it only her choice?
This is satire, right? I mean, it’s just too bad for words.
If anyone is considering using this advice, please make SURE to tell your girlfriend that autism can be detected in utero. If she has even a sliver of brain, she’ll realize you’re an idiot and will hopefully parent her child or offer him/her up for adoption.
How about an article on what your friends said/did that failed to convince the carriers of their seed to “make the right decision”? I’m curious.
This wasn’t even funny. This piece of douche-baggery is insulting to men and women everywhere. Abortion isn’t something to crack jokes about. Men need to “man up” and take responsibility for their penises. Coercion isn’t manly, it’s cowardly.
There is no coercion. The oppressors on top of the pyramid has taken that option away. The decision is hers and hers only. If all it takes to convince her to whack her own child is some silly drivel, it is her, and only her responsibility.
I do agree it is quite distasteful from a moral standpoint to run around arguing for killing kids violently, just so you can save a few bucks; but that is still a long way from actually making the final decision to have the kid killed. A decision that is only a woman’s.
“Man up ” is so 90s can’t you come up with new manipulation ?
No. Man up you little boy.
Why are the ugly women always the angriest?
Because being angry at the world is not good for your complexion.
Had a friend who successfully accomplished the Hail Mary. Until the girl went off the deep end because of it. Started out as simple cockblocking, then stalking, then she tried to cut off his dick. You don’t want to mess with that shit, wrap it up.
So to sum it up, the methods are…
1) Lie to her.
2) Be a deadbeat dad.
3) Lie to her (the alternate way).
This…. This is a joke, right? This has to be. If it’s not, then this is the absolute epitome of scum. You, sir, need to examine yourself very, very carefully. This is just pathetic.
Yes. This isn’t what I come to manosphere blogs for. I thought these were about being better men, not dickheads.
Is wrapping it up when you’re having sex with a woman you’re not serious about really too much?
Condoms break.
Every woman should read this, Know your enemy.
Do you support a woman’s right to choose?
I support a woman’s right to know that the people she is closes to are not treating her like a blow-up doll. Anyone who believes the contents of this article is a danger to the best interests of any woman they are involved with.
Do you think a woman has the right to have an abortion?
Doesn’t matter. Had sex.
I realize it doesn’t matter to you. That is why anyone is foolish for spending/wasting any time on you. You are possibly the poster boy for my viewpoint.
As a mother of several young, beautiful and smart women, I am proudly married to their father, who is well-armed and quite willing to defend them from criminal males like you.
Ah, they haven’t the sense to stay away from ‘criminal males like us’ on their own. That info will come in handy…
No woman ever did.
Which is why in civilized societies, they are handed from dad to someone at least minimally vetted by dad, on their wedding. Only in dystopias like our own, are they handed from mothers’ womb’ to massa govermnent on the day of their birth, to waste away as concubines for the state and it’s lackeys.
Go read the definition of a crime.
Also get her to drink 5 hour energy to cause spontaneous abortions.http://healthland.time.com/2012/11/15/5-hour-energy-cited-in-13-deaths-and-spontaneous-abortion/
The problem that you fail to realize is what an abortion does to a woman, and how it changes her entire life. We’ve been raised to think it is easy and nothing more than a choice, but they are wrong. You think it is no big deal, but you wake up one day and realize you will never ever forget what happened no matter how hard you try. And every year after it happens it comes up again and again. You stuff the feelings down because the pro-choice crowd does not want to hear you cry, and you are too embarrassed to admit to the pro-life crowd what you did. It is not exactly something your boyfriend wants to console you about either. Usually they take off. So you are left alone and depressed without a soul who cares about you. So while this man is fulfilling his dream of unprotected sex, he leaves a trail of tears and brokeness behind that is only a symptom of a society that no longer values the life of anyone. It has been said we have lost an entire generation of people through abortion, and it is the reason there is so much decline in our world today. Now every child doubts if they were wanted. And reading stuff like this does not help.
Noone should care about a whore who kills her own kid. After all, every mortal man and woman is born with a finite amount of care and compassion. Why throw it away on someone unworthy, in the process logically shortchanging someone more worthy?
Jesus did, and still does, care; but then again, he didn’t suffer from that finite problem……
Thanks for proving my point beautifully.
I have no problem with the two abortions I had. If my birth control fails again, I will abort again. With a quickness.
Beautiful dog, and well said. An acquaintance of mine wanted to get an abortion. I asked her questions to explore why she wanted to since it seemed she was doing it for the wrong reasons (she was afraid no one would want her anymore). Ultimately, she decided to keep the child. If someone reasons through the decision properly, there is very little emotional fallout, and most of the emotional fallout from a well reasoned through decision is better traced to other events in the individual’s life. If the decision isn’t well reasoned through, and one has an abortion, or keeps the child for the wrong reasons, the emotional damage is profound.
There is another way women suffer damage from an abortion. The rejection they feel all their lives is bottled up deep inside them and compensated for through a variety of behaviours. When they abort the child, they reject the child – committing the crime they have been victims of all their life – and they reject themselves – because the growing child is experienced as self. This event sets of a series of reactions and recollections that allow all of the suppressed and repressed emotions to bubble up to the surface in their raw form. In effect, the act of having an abortion acts as a “movie screen” on which the women are allowed to relive and work through past traumas. In most instances, they fail at this working through process and the emotional damage is increased.
Why did the fetus cross the road?
Because they moved the dumpster
Doctors have a new cure for downs syndrome
-its called abortion!
I’m not quite sure what my opinion is on abortion.
On the one hand I support it because it’s killing children.
On the other, it gives women a choice.
My wife had an abortion three days ago and can’t stop crying. So I thought I would compliment her and cheer her up,
“Darling, you look great!” I said, “Have you lost weight?”
The act of murder is wrong not because one is killing a living thing, rather, because one is depriving that living of a future. Murder rids the individual of his/her potential. The individual is not rid of his past living rather, his present and his future. Thus, when auguring about abortion, the fact that it is a living or not is not relevant. The real question, is whether the fetus will, in the future, grow into a being capable of making choices. and if by abortion, one would deprive the fetus of a potential future; of which I believe it does. Also, that last meme doesn’t make since because no one argues sperm is a child. Sperm has no potential to become something ratiaonl. It’s when it’s fertilized that it would be cannibalism.
I do find it amusing that the effect of this post will have the opposite affect that what is intended. Women are not dumb. We know how to use the internet, and we talk to each other. The post is quickly becoming viral. Hopefully that is what you wanted to happen. Or is it? Once again we have proven the male is inferior in intellect and will often shoot himself in the foot. It is amusing to say the least.
*Correction*
Certain men are inferior in intellect.
I would agree with that. Sorry I did not clarify. It was a guttural response from this inappropriately cruel article. I’ve dated men like this and it brings up some very bad feelings. My bad.
Oh trust me, I know the feeling. This article shows that there is a true, unwarranted arrogance among certain males who consider themselves ‘alpha.’
Of course, being a “modern women”, dated is code for having been fucked by……
So, if the various drug concoctions you imbibe in to prevent the poor kid that could result, somehow failed, you’d either kill him as per article, try to shame/sucker some other guy into providing for you and your bastard, or do all you could to get massa gommiment to rob other people to pay for the result of your looseness. Each and every choice and good and clear illustration of why those that simply stone the whores in their midst whit no more ado, are the ones that will inherit the world; unchallenged.
Keep sucking up, kid. Maybe some day she’ll let you pee in her butt.
She already gave him the validation he craves, he’s gone to bed. It’s therapy bright and early!
She already gave him the validation he craves, he’s gone to bed. It’s therapy bright and early!
That was just sad.
When you can no longer defend your point intelligently, you rely on acting an a-hole and the only rebuttal you have left is to belittle others. Which is at least validation for my own points. Boom. Winning.
I saw your facebook you have a really ugly kid. You should have got an abortion to spare my eyes.
Internet women will not have set with you Matt no matter how hard you white knight.
My goal was not to get a random woman on the internet to have sex with me. Nice try though. With a little practice, you might actually do more than just petty insults!
Should abortion in cases that are not rape, incest, …etc be illegal then politicaljules?
Oh, so common, a man who doesn’t share your mindset obviously need to “grow up”.
Absolutely. It is because my mum was friends with someone who was coerced into having an abortion that I am alive today. If more women knew how men like this think, then they would resist a lot more.
All these right-wingers using feminist shaming language to attack Bacon are proving Jim Goad’s argument that abortion shouldn’t simply be legal, it should be mandatory. Just saying.
Unchecked privilege is everywhere, sir, even in the womb.
No shaming language needed. You seem to be doing just fine on your own making an ass of yourself.
Ironic that they use the shaming language that democrats use to spank them to try to cow the people who have more in common with the right wingers than they’ll ever know.
First, I will point out that autism isnt diagnosed until after the age of 2, and it is NOT detectable by ultrasound. Second, these women u convince to have abortions r weak. If a man were to speak to me in such a way, he would be off the hook, not a daddy. But no dead baby for me. I would cut off all communication and contact. Because that is no man. That is a heartless piece of flesh, just walking around, wasting space and air.
What is your definition of a man?
Once upon a time Bastards were a thing and you could fuck a slut and it was understood that you owed her nothing. Now you get some girl pregnant and she has the power to make you pay enforced by the State. I think the real solution is stopping the single mother train by making it a reality that they won’t just be able to force child support. Also no welfare. This would make women more like women again. I’m against abortion for moral reasons. I also think it’s helped create a one sided power in women and is what also helps create the current culture.
You got two girls to abort your own children? Did the girls have aids or problems with drugs? Did they have any kind of hereditary disease?
Children are a blessing from God. I really mean it. I would crucify Jesus again If he returned to Earth the second time with a smile in my face, but aborting my own child when I know that both his mom and I are healthy… No fuckin’ way.
Money, social status and all those things that make you feel powerful are nothing compared to the happiness that a healthy son/daughter can bring to one’s life.
Peace
My husband and I chose abortion twice, fucknuts. The ability to plan our family rather than be enslaved to failed birth control worked out much better for the children we wanted later on.
You should get off the computer and spend some time with your kids who are still living.
My husband and I chose abortion twice, fucknuts. The ability to plan our family rather than be enslaved to failed birth control worked out much better for the children we wanted later on.
Hopefully I won’t find myself in a position where I’ll have to convince some broad to abort. Mighty uncomfortable place to be in I’d imagine, since it gives the woman all the power at that point. You’re literally at her mercy.
Exercise caution when fucking away; wear a condom fellas, especially if you don’t trust the slag you’re banging. Going in raw feels great, but you’re playing with fire, and it’s not worth getting shackled financially for 18 years to some dumb, narcissistic slut. If you insist on going in raw, pull out quickly, blast all over her face, and make sure she swallows every last gooey drop.
http://newwavefeminists.blogspot.com/2013/08/how-to-convince-radical-fauxminists.html
Hey shawty. lemme holla at you right quick ya know what im
sayin. checkin you out over there you lookin kinda good, ya know what im sayin.
so i was wondering ya know how about you and me go back to the place, get
comfortable, probably sip on some of this henney, you know what im sayin, and
after that, you know what im… sayin, we can do the grownup and you can let me
clap on dem cheeks, ya hear me?
lol, how facepalm worthy.
This article is disgusting. Any “man” who thinks this way isn’t a real man; he is an irresponsible little boy. The author clearly just sees people in general as playthings and has no consideration whatsoever for who he hurts. For all of you saying that it is cruel to bring a child into this world when you can’t support it- grow up and stop making pathetic excuses. There are hundreds of thousands of people who want to adopt and it is incredibly selfish to convince a girl to kill your child because you want to have fun and ignore the situation you created. The problem with this generation, and yes I am 20 so I am a part of it, is that no one wants to take responsibility for their actions. The worst part is that you guys could easily educate yourselves about the life that exists in the womb, but you are all to blissfully ignorant to look into what is right in front of you. It makes me sick that so many from our parents generation, our generation, and the future generations are being slaughtered so that the idiots who wrote this article, and those that support it, may lead their lives without the inconvenience of a child.
You’re right, Rachel, this post is shameful. I thought this blog was about being better men… you know, “kings”, not bottom-feeding cads. I guess I was wrong about that. I’ll be going back to Vox Day and Dalrock now…
Then why are there currently <400,000 children awaiting adoption in the US alone? I am not a broodmare for the infertile. I refuse to breed an unwanted pregnancy just to absolve your conscience.
Then why are there currently <400,000 children awaiting adoption in the US alone? I am not a broodmare for the infertile. I refuse to breed an unwanted pregnancy just to absolve your conscience.
Everyone take notice that every feminist rambling comment has “grow up” somewhere written in it.
“Grow up” is their only true argument here….
Oh and what is the caveman argument here? I just wanna drink beers with my bros, fuck a lot of girls and be an irresponsible asshole? Yup sounds really bulletproof… educate yourself, although I’m sure you’d rather remain in the dark- it helps keep the guilt at bay.
Much rather do that then spent my life with a bitch like yourself and be on legal hook to give you half my earnings if our ‘lifetime commitment’ doesn’t work out that well.
Your feminist fantasy is not my reality and i will not ‘grow up’ or ‘man up’.
I certainly don’t consider myself to be a feminist, just an intelligent, educated woman who knows far better than to even think of getting involved with scum like yourself. You will reap what you sow asshole- an STD ridden piece of trash similar to yourself, I’m sure.
Rachel, I’m sorry you never got fucked by the guy you liked in high school and that you were generally ignored by men most of your life.
Work on getting skinnier, prettier and more feminine. Things will work out Ok
She did get fucked by the guy she liked in high school. She’s mad because he ended up with someone skinnier, prettier, and more feminine.
Ah and the pettiness ensues. That’s usually what happens when people don’t have valid points. I don’t need to validate myself to men who clearly can’t sustain short term relationships let alone long term ones. I think it’s hysterical that you idiots think that agreeing to rip children from their mothers wombs makes a woman feminine. Nothing is more feminine than the instinct to protect children. But alas, those without argument assume and make baseless judgments.
Because you gave valid points yourself?
Live your life and don’t tell a man how to live his.
To be fair – suggesting that the feminists only argument is ‘grow up’ and then coming out with the ‘you fat and ugly’ schtick so much beloved by those with an inability to think beyond the schoolyard only really proves one thing. They’re right. You do need to grow up.
alfoxton, male feminist
alfoxton, male feminist
We present our arguments and get the “grow up” argument back. Clearly, dialectic conversation with feminists and women who use such stupid arguments is not possible.
The only thing left to do is shame them and fight fire to make them shut the fuck up.
I want to debate, not argue. All they know how to do is argue, defame, and character assassinate. And of those three, their argue skill was always the most lacking.
Do you not see the irony in your first sentiment? Really? Pettiness ensues?
You started it with, “caveman argument”, “be an irresponsible asshole”, and “you’d rather remain in the dark- it helps keep the guilt at bay”. Then you continued it with “who knows far better than to even think of getting involved with scum like yourself. You will reap what you sow asshole- an STD ridden piece of trash similar to yourself”.
He wasn’t even talking to you. He was talking about “feminist rambling”. You said it yourself, “I don’t consider myself to be a feminist”? Why are you even speaking? This is not about you. If you are the “intelligent, educated” woman as you claim, you’d never have replied to Mike because you’d know he was not talking to you.
You give women a bad name. You may have a few extra brain cells to rub together to form coherent setences with fancy words but it makes you look like a dumbass, trying your best to argue your point of view when you couldn’t even argue your way out of a paper bag.
Between your ugly arguments and your ugly appearance, I am sure your appearance is the worse of the two.
Do you not see the irony in your first sentiment? Really? Pettiness ensues?
You started it with, “caveman argument”, “be an irresponsible asshole”, and “you’d rather remain in the dark- it helps keep the guilt at bay”. Then you continued it with “who knows far better than to even think of getting involved with scum like yourself. You will reap what you sow asshole- an STD ridden piece of trash similar to yourself”.
He wasn’t even talking to you. He was talking about “feminist rambling”. You said it yourself, “I don’t consider myself to be a feminist”? Why are you even speaking? This is not about you. If you are the “intelligent, educated” woman as you claim, you’d never have replied to Mike because you’d know he was not talking to you.
You give women a bad name. You may have a few extra brain cells to rub together to form coherent setences with fancy words but it makes you look like a dumbass, trying your best to argue your point of view when you couldn’t even argue your way out of a paper bag.
Between your ugly arguments and your ugly appearance, I am sure your appearance is the worse of the two.
Thank you Wald
Thank you Wald
Debate what? I saw no form of debate between you and Rachel. You resorted to ad hom first.
As for your actual argument – let me demolish it in addition to discrediting it completely.
Your point about people not having valid points? That is you when you started the pettiness parade. Case closed.
No one is asking you to validate yourself. You feel the need to validate yourself because nobody is taking your or your childish arguments seriously and no one should. Your point about sustaining short term and long term relationships is mostly projection. Had a good time on the cock carousel eh?
Here’s a secret – the cock carousel is like Hotel California – once you get on it – you never leave.
Ripping children out from their mother’s wombs? Really? No one is advocating that their girlfriend takes children out of her mother’s womb. If can’t even form sentences that make sense, why argue? Because you’re stupid and because you can.
And no one is equating having an abortion with being ‘feminine’. The word ‘feminine’ is not mentioned once in the article. I did a quick word search and found the word feminine a total of 4 times. Two of those words were used by you. So that just means you’re arguing against a point no one is making. A sure sign of someone who frequently finds herself out of place in intelligent conversation.
You may stop talking now.
As for your actual argument – let me demolish it in addition to discrediting it completely.
Your point about people not having valid points? That is you when you started the pettiness parade. Case closed.
No one is asking you to validate yourself. You feel the need to validate yourself because nobody is taking your or your childish arguments seriously and no one should. Your point about sustaining short term and long term relationships is mostly projection. Had a good time on the cock carousel eh?
Here’s a secret – the cock carousel is like Hotel California – once you get on it – you never leave.
Ripping children out from their mother’s wombs? Really? No one is advocating that their girlfriend takes children out of her mother’s womb. If can’t even form sentences that make sense, why argue? Because you’re stupid and because you can.
And no one is equating having an abortion with being ‘feminine’. The word ‘feminine’ is not mentioned once in the article. I did a quick word search and found the word feminine a total of 4 times. Two of those words were used by you. So that just means you’re arguing against a point no one is making. A sure sign of someone who frequently finds herself out of place in intelligent conversation.
You may stop talking now.
Debate the article and its merits. What else is there to debate here? Is anybody here talking about anything unrelated to abortion?
And no, I did not resort to ad hominem first. Rachel did when she called a “caveman” and an “irresponsible asshole” when he wasn’t even talking to her or about her in the first place. She just inserted herself into the conversation, with guns blazing. Do that and don’t be surprised to get shot down.
I jumped in because I wanted to call her out and expose her lack or concrete arguments and stupidity for all to see. As soon as she jumped in with her “ad hom”, all rules or courtesy and politeness are thrown out along with the insults her tongue threw out.
Notice how I reply with a post to you with no swear words directed at you or your person. I cannot say that I like what you say. I disagree and dislike it.
I can say, however, that I like the way you say it. That is, politely.
Wald
OK, I’ll bite. A human dies with abortion. If you don’t want to raise that human then don’t have sex.
Please debate this.
Well now – let’s examine your comment. You *claim* you want to debate (now, to be honest, I’m not sure that there is much to debate under an article instructing people how to manipulate other people into having a medical procedure they may neither want, nor require just so you can shirk your responsiblities)
Yet as soon as anyone tells you to (rightly or wrongly) grow up you claim that conversation is not possible. It’s therefore highly likely that debate is not what you want – you simply want your viewpoint heard – and are not interested in anyone else’s. Especially women’s who you happily admit you wish to shame and silence.
Personally, I think ‘grow up’ is a wholly appropriate response to attitudes such as yours.
Having decent grammar doesn’t make you a human being. And you can’t batter her on her actual arguments. So in true “house of cards” form, you attack her personally. these women saying “grow up” and “man up” are right -and you KNOW it! You ARE foolish and immature! You are infinitely selfish (a clear sign of immaturity and childishness) and have no ground to stand on against her arguments. Your personal attacks say show your inability to defend your position.
Haha! What a loser!
mike, male and sounds like he needs a cuddle.
Sure.
You see, my position on abortion is not a matter of black and white. I do not live in terms of absolutes.
I have two positions on abortion:
1. Individual
In the individual sense, I am pro-choice. If I get careless and knock up a one night stand or a long time girlfriend without meaning to, I would want her to get an abortion. It is my interest for I cannot support a child and are in no position to raise one. I would prefer to give the child to an orphanage rather than kill it, but I believe it is easier to convince a girl to get an abortion than to convince her to give the child up for abortion. Say what you want about that, but if you think about it, who does that say more about? Me or the hypothetically pregnant girl?
2. Societal
On a societal level, I am against abortion. I think abortion is largely responsible for declining birth rates around the globe and I think it mentally damages a woman to get an abortion. I think most women do it because society says it is okay and has since the Supreme Court Case, Roe vs. Wade.
As for you point to not have sex. I consider myself human and fallen. I cannot deny that I have sexual urges and fulfilling them is an unrealistic proposition – sexual urges manifest themselves in one way or another. I prefer the manifest themselves in sex and not something else.
I understand the risks to having sex – so I take certain precautions. I either make the girl swallow or I release my seed up into her backside. Under no circumstance do I let loose in, on, or around her frontal nether regions.
Having said that, I realize I am human and fallen. Maybe I might make a mistake. Maybe I was careless. Maybe I trusted the wrong girl. The fact of the matter is, I have a plan in my head should things get to the point where I want a girl to have an abortion. Of course the simple answer is to never get there in the first place.
But still, it is foolish to have no contingincy plans for worst case scenarios. Oh, how many people shared the famous last words, “It won’t happen to me.”
Wald
No problem.
Grow up is no argument. It is the voice of a person to lazy to argue at best and the voice of shame at worse. It is an implied insult, that the person who should grow up and mature is young and stupid compared to the person saying, “Grow up”.
With experience, I have learned that arguing with people who use grow up goes no where. So now I don’t try.
I wish to debate, discuss, or talk about anything and everything to do with abortion and this article.
Saying “Grow up” because you disagree with someone’s worldview or find it abhorrent resembles no such thing as conversation or intelligent debate.
I agree it seems silly when feminists pose the “grow up” argument and that the opposition comes out with “fat and ugly”. But you’re missing a part of the big picture. Because they respond to our arguments with insults to shut down our debate and thinking, it only makes sense to respond in kind. I would wish to shut up all “grow up” arguments that I may spend more fruitful time talk with people who can discuss the issue even if they choose one side and find my position distasteful.
Wald
Wald – I guess it depends on whther that person’s viewpoint is chilish or pureile, in which case, grow up seems wholly appropriate. In the case of Mike here, it’s really the only appropriate response I can think of. And frankly – I’m struggling to find an example of ‘grow up’ earlier than young mike’s here. It seems he found a straw man to attack and now you’ve happily taken up the reins.
I’ve read your comments and you’re not exactly immune to insults yourself. So, I find it interesting that you think that grow up is an insult. So I can’t help but feeling that the excuse that you’re not going to debate with people who tell you to ‘grow up’ really is just that – an excuse NOT to have your viewpoint examined, or challenged. And honestly anyone infantile enough to say ‘if you tell me to grow up I shall call you ugly’ really does need to grow up!
My irony meter just went off the chart. You’re telling a woman not to tell men how to live below an article telling men how to manipulate women? Waaaaaaaaa ha ha ha ha ha
How do you tell if someone’s world view is infantile or puerile? Who are you to decide?
What if the person comes from a different culture or way of thinking? Just because you don’t understand them doesn’t mean they are automatically wrong.
The only person who should tell someone else to grow up is either a parent, a teacher, or a mentor. Otherwise, it is in the wrong context. It is a cop out of an argument. Instead debating the points you dismiss it out of hand.
Why don’t you think there’s any other appropriate response to Mike’s comment?
Why do you disagree with it?
Are you a feminist?
No one is immune to insults. But that is besides the point and you and I both know that. I don’t like insults but they don’t bother me. You can call me a misogynist. You can call me a racist. You can call me a homophobe, intolerant, or whatever. I just want you to think. And tell me why you disagree and what is, exactly that you disagree with. Tell me what you agree with too. That, is debate.
It is not an excuse that I do not wish to debate with people who resort to using the “grow up” argument in lieu of any argument that is a concrete argument. If the only ‘argument you have to offer me is, “Grow up”. then you are not arguing with me. You are merely dismissing me and my arguments.
Not debating with people who use the “Grow up” argument is not an excuse to not have my viewpoint examined or challenged. On the contrary. The “Grow up” argument is simply an excuse not examine or challenge my argument because you’re too lazy to think of a rebuttal or are afraid of understanding because you think you may agree with somethings contrary to your current worldview.
I take to arguing with people infantile enough to resort to the “Grow up” argument like an adult to a child who acts a teacup calling the kettle black. If anyone needs to “Grow up” it is you.
Time graduate pre-school and learn how to argue.
Wald
He married a foreign gal?
Wald – it’s fine – I appreciate you trying to defend Mike against the raging hoard of evil feminists and their grow up weapon but if you think that telling someone they are ugly is an appropriate response in ANY situation, you’re probably going to struggle with this.
Frankly – to some arguments on here the ONLY appropriate response is ‘grow up’ – there are several comments on here where I can’t see a better response than ‘grow up’. Comments telling women they are whores, bitches, sluts, speculating on the size of their vaginas or when they last had sex and with whom. Do you think that these comments are are worthy of any other response than ‘grow up’? Do you feel that telling a woman she must have a huge vagina because she has had 6 children is an adult way to behave? Comments like this are only worthy of a handful of responses. One is ‘grow up’.
I find it interesting that there are numerous insulting and offensive comments on here. Yet the one that appears to offend you the most is the fairly innocuous, though apparently feminist, ‘grow up’. Says a lot about you.
Wald-
So is abortion the killing of a human or not? For a real debate, you need to answer that.
If you answer yes to this, then reason #1 boils down to the fact that you are selfish and you justify murder to cover up your fear and selfishness. Reason #2 shows you know he/she in the womb is human. You know it causes great societal harm, yet you run from it. Again, selfishness.
If you don’t think the unborn are human, then what do you think they are? When do humans in the womb get rights and protection under the law?
Yes, we are all fallen, but we are not animals. You have the ability to reason, which animals do not. By saying that you have to have sex, you are agreeing that you more resemble a tomcat than a human.
Furthermore, the sex drive is controlled by the pituitary gland. That gland also controls hunger and anger. So are you overweight and do you go around striking people? If you can control your urge to eat and lash out at people, you can control your urge to have sex.
If you don’t want to impregnate the wrong woman, then choose a good woman, marry her and then have sex. That is the life of untold joy.
Thanks wald – but I’m perfectly aware of how to debate properly without any lessons from someone who throws their toys out of the pram anytime a woman dares to tells them to grow up.
Calling people dumbass (which I note you have done to people on this thread) speculating about the size of their genitals, how many people they have slept with, calling them ugly, a whore, bitch, slut and other charming names is infantile behaviour and the authors of those posts really should have a look at themselves and grow up. ergo – I imagine that a lot of the instances of ‘grow up’ on this thread are perfectly reasonable. If you think that this behaviour is appropriate then I’m afraid you too are part of the problem.
A child affects the man’s life, it is also his decision.
But you’re here to impose your views even if our choice doesn’t affect your christian lifes.
Uuuuummm, ‘Christian lifes’? I think you’re having trouble keeping up sunbeam. I’m pro choice and atheist.
Having an abortion – or a baby – doesn’t affect a man’s body in any way. It affects the woman’s body. Ergo, it’s HER Decision. It’s pretty simple – the person who will carry the child, inside themselves – or have the abortion – has ultimate say so. It can;t be any other way.
What men do get to decide is whether to have sex, and whether to leave contraception to the woman or himself. You absolve yourself of that responsibility you really shouldn’t start whining and crying when your partner gets pregnant.
LOL. Oh, man, LOL.
I grew up with a verbally abusive father. He was *far* better than you at this. I was a child prodigy (and my father is pretty smart himself) and I could see through the structure of his “arguments” at age 5. Abuse damaged me emotionally, of course, because I could not understand why he would say such hurtful things to people that love him. However, intellectually it did not make one bit of a difference; when you can look at someone’s speech and replicate the machinery that originates it, well, there’s not much to say to that. Abusive speech does not require much in the brainpower department: all it takes is knowledge of a few building blocks, familiarity with a ridiculously small number of mechanisms and the need to hurt another.
For years I have watched my father try pushing people’s buttons and I just felt sad for the squalor and emptiness in his internal life. Recently I started seeing his attempts at verbal abuse in a different light. It’s hard because I do not want to burst out laughing in front of him, and yet I am seeing the humorous side of this so clearly. I consciously remind myself of the squalor to counterbalance the tendency to laugh.
The disproportion between how self-important he’s trying to sound and his actual personal power is majestic. If you keep in mind that disproportion is one of the sources of humor, I think you will see that at a certain level, my reaction is not only understandable but also inevitable.
Please keep in mind some eyes actually do see. Maybe you’ve gotten used to dealing with foggy people and you have forgotten that this tactic cannot be effective indefinitely. Spend a moment to visualize the shame my father feels when he’s caught in his futile attempts by people with clear sight. This same devastating shame is the hurdle life will present you with, sooner or later. It’s a shame that comes magnified a million times, because it calls up the childhood shame that robbed him (and, in all likelihood, you too) of personal power in the first place. Please, please, help yourself and build something on solid grounds — lest the time to face this sight comes for you while you still lack footing; drowning in that shame I wouldn’t wish on my worst enemy.
Best of luck to you in your journey towards emotional wholeness. You’ll find the Living God along the path as well.
May you taste the deep joy that comes with living a wholesome life. May God bless you and defend you as His glory and His prize
Camilla
“Having an abortion – or a baby – doesn’t affect a man’s body in any way. It affects the woman’s body. Ergo, it’s HER Decision.”
Cause the body is all that counts, right? So even if a child affects a man’s life very potently, it doesn’t matter?
Hahaha ha hahah wot about teh menz?!?
Dry your eyes.
NOTHING IN THE WORLD matters enough to trump someone’s right to choose what to do with their own physical body.
I don’t care about the body since I don’t ask for a right to make the decision, but I think that if a woman does the decision alone (against the father’s will), he should be able to deny any paternity duty, including child-support.
Yeah – you don’t quite get this. Unsurprising seeing as you appear to be one of those weak people more concerned with their rights over their responsiblities.
It’s ever so simple – when you have sex there is a chance that the woman will get pregnant. Unless you are a complete moron, you know this. If you’re not prepared to take responsiblity for your actions, you aren’t mature enough to have sex.
If the father willingly had sex – he has already made that decision to possibly become a father. Only a manchild would then try to absolve himself of responsibilities for his own actions. And if you’re too weak to take responsibility, you really haven’t earnt yourself any rights.
I am a married Bulgarian woman, and I’m afraid that I agree with you.
Manipulating is disgusting. So is killing, babies or not babies.
But I fail to understand who is that much… sorry, bad English, don’t know the phrase… mentally feeble? – to be convinced to get an abortion. If a woman cannot support a baby for life, surely she is able to support it for mere nine months until adoption. And yeah, a man should not have a say, nor a responsibility, but rather a choice whether to be involved or not.
I am a feminist. I have a doctor’s degree in pharmacy. It’s hard to get it, but the main reason to obtain it for me was its value as an ultimate insurance policy. Accidentally pregnant? Oh, well, a woman with education is able to cover that. Without the male having any responsibility for payment. His choice would be: get involved and be a dad or not be a dad? If yes, I appreciate his choice. Maybe it will be tough, maybe we will get together well. Good thing is my kid will have a daddy, just like I did, and will be better. If not, he’s not a daddy. That means total, 100% cut off. No responsibility, no money paid, but no contact either. in my book, my kid has no father, and I’ll raise him alone.
And it’s not just a policy for pregnancy. Say the future husband is not that well off? A degree insures a woman can be free to choose her man by personality, not to “marry up” for money. The husband can die, get sick, be sacked, or whatever – sheesh, women, if you are feminists, surely you are up to supporting your husband need be?
But I digress. A woman shouldn’t get sexually involved, unless she is 100% sure she would be financially able to raise the child alone, or at least support her pregnancy. This IS what feminism is about. About being able to get education, get a job, and stand on your feet, regardless of your genital shape. And a woman who is sexually active is supposed to be mentally strong enough to fence herself from such Machiavellian ploys. If she isn’t, she has only herself to blame. Sorry.
What feminism means to most women in the US and what you think it means are two different things.
By what you say, you don’t sound like a feminist at all. Just a woman with a healthy understanding of reality.
Thank you for your comment.
Wald, you live in a country where making a goddamn sandwich is a political statement and results in civil wars. I much prefer to stick to the more… traditional feminism, shall we say, ya know, jobs and votes, and being elected kind of stuff. Oldie, but goldie.
it’s especially important to be a firm feminist now, provided that Turkey is the only territorial shield between Bulgarian women and burqas .
The problem is your focusing on the things in life that don’t really matter. When I was a kid I had hopes and dreams. We all did. But over time, the daily grind gets in the way and you miss the things that really matter, even though they are right in front of you, staring you in the face. I think the next time you should ask yourself “Am I on the right track here?” I don’t mean to be rude but people like you I really pity. So maybe you could use the few brain cells you have and take advantage of the knowledge I have given you now. Good luck Rachel.
Ha the important things in life to me are people and the relationships I have with people. I don’t know what else could matter more. I know I am on the right track, so thanks for the “knowledge” but you can keep it.
Honestly, that’s what I call a cool story bro. Such a riveting tale, I honestly copy and pasted it to word, saved on my hard drive, backed it up on a jump drive, drove to the bank, put the jump drive in the safe deposit box, and will leave it there until my kids turn about 12 (when they can actually state their age, and ask what it is I’m showing them), when I will pick it up, put it in an old USB drive reader and relay this cool story to them and tell them, “kids, this is what a cool story should look and sound like… not like the stories your generation tells.”
Feminists also say “fuck” a lot.
Because anyone who wants to have sex and shirk the responsibility of parenthood needs to grow up. Want to have sex? Get a job, get married, and accept, if not embrace, fatherhood. And when you become a father, accept that the kids come before you. Be an example of manhood to your children, so that your sons will learn to be men and your daughters will learn what a real man looks like, so that your sons will grow up to be real men and your daughters will know what to look for in a husband.
Why would anyone take advice from a man so stupid he thinks autism shows up on ultrasounds?
good point every smart person knows that!(sarcasm) dumb cunt
You’re a semi-literate cockwomble
Wow. Just, wow.
Did you know that name calling is a typical reply for anyone who is too stupid to think of anything smart to add to an argument? And yes smart and educated people do know that autism does not show up on ultrasound.
Actually, if he’s publishing an article that all these people are going to read and comment on, you’d think somewhere in his convoluted brain, it’d occur to him to check his facts so he doesn’t end up looking like the moron he is.
“RoK aims to usher the return of the masculine man in a world where masculinity is being increasingly punished and shamed in favor of creating an androgynous and politically-correct society that allows women to assert superiority and control over men.”
Bullshit.
A “masculine man” does not deceive. Does not cheat to get his way. Does not disrespect a woman. Does not abuse or belittle the disabled.
Does not aid or abet the killing of his offspring.
Even as satire, this is the supreme antithesis of anything approaching a scintilla of authentic manhood.
You are the androgynous and politically-correct society. No “men” here.
Whiteknight detected. What is your definition of a “Real man”?
Pray for God’s forgiveness.
I’m pretty sure I know what yours is..
http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/01/justice/ohio-castro
Because YOU define what a masculine man is?
I don’t define anything. There is objective truth. You can meet Him.
And that objective truth just happen to match your idea of it, doesn’t it?
Even a clock that has stopped is right twice a day!
No, rather, we conform our idea of objective truth to Him.
That’s what I wanted to read, it’s not THE objective truth, it’s just your idea of it. Then stick with it but don’t try to convert us to it, RoK members don’t come to your christian blogs to convince you to change your opinion.
Well, the ladies are definitely attracted to a tie-dye wearing man.
you should read my article:http://www.returnofkings.com/13468/the-war-against-white-knights
I read it and now I understand. You’re a juvenile. You don’t know anything about history or how a well-ordered society functions, and you don’t care about anything except your next sexual experience. That deep pit of despair infecting your heart is not going away until you realize that something matters more than your pleasure.
It’s fitting that today is the feast day for St. John the Baptist. “Repent, for the Kingdom of God is at hand.” He was a *man*. You, not so much.
http://qmbarque.com/2013/07/15/the-antithesis-of-manhood/
i dont care what you think of me. I just wanted to inform you that whiteknighting can have consequences
You should care what YOU think. What YOU think is wrong. The fact that you’d rather not be bothered with treating others as human beings is a telling example of the consequences that await YOU.
you should read my other article:http://www.returnofkings.com/15102/carry-the-big-stick
you should read my other article:http://www.returnofkings.com/15102/carry-the-big-stick
Beavers carry big sticks too. So glad to know that you’re also (purportedly) armed.
thank you for the click throughs
Who are you to say his thinking is wrong? To each his opinion, yours isn’t any better than his. And calling someone juvenile to then try to force your ideas in his throat is ironic.
I am no one. But this is not a matter of opinion.
Abortion is the intentional killing of an unborn individual of the human species. Lying to a woman you had sex with to induce her to undergo an abortion (resulting in the death of one’s own unborn child) is an objectively and gravely evil act.
It’s a sign of the demonic to be so blinded as to not see this reality.
Specifically, today is the feast of the Martyrdom of St. John the Baptist. He was beheaded because he stood up for truth in the face of a tyrant. Though more than anything else, Herod’s (son of Herod the Great) character flaw was caring too much about what other people thought of him. He actually liked John the Baptist and was intrigued by Jesus Christ, but he ordered John beheaded and Jesus returned to Pilate because of what other people thought of him. John the Baptist knew exactly what he was getting himself into when he called out Herod on his affair with his sister-in-law, and her reaction was to demand Herod give her John’s head on a plate.
Andrew, would you mind sending me your email address (you can find mine on my blog, above); I’d like to tell you something.
I could say that the sky is green, that it’s not matter of opinion, without argument it’s worth nothing, just as your claims.
But go ahead, I’m a demon.
In your list of traits common to the masculine man, you forgot to include “does not get laid.” And given this is a game site………
I did not forget. But the “masculine man” isn’t addicted to pleasure either.
My guess, is that your are a doormat and you name your description as “masculine man” to feel better about yourself.
In your world, I’m a doormat for being against (1) deception and dishonesty, and (2) the intentional killing of my own offspring.
I’m a doormat. I’m a doormat. I’m a doormat. I’m a doormat. I’m a doormat. I’m a doormat. I’m a doormat. I’m a doormat.
I’ll lay down and you can walk all over me.
Abortion is still murder.
Call me another name.
Abortion is still murder.
Call me another.
Still murder.
Very mature from you.
Still, it’s subjective, it’s murder for you, it’s not murder for me.
Adding “Doesn’t know definitions of commonly-used words” to “Things about Anonymous”. Get back in touch when you graduate 8th grade.
It’s your car to you, but it’s my car to me. It’s your savings to you, but my savings to me.
Two can play this game.
Psst…abortion is murder to the one who matters most…the dead child.
Nope, I don’t consider an embryo can be “murdered”, as it isn’t a person yet.
It is an embryo till 8 weeks. And I don’t consider it a person in early fetal stage either. The law doesn’t either, I’m not the one having problems with definitions.
If what you say is true, then I’ll be a eunuch for the sake of the Kingdom of God, and I don’t care how painful it will be to endure a celibate life. But as it is, I know from experience that what you say is not true. My father fits Mr. Barque’s description, and I don’t need a DNA test to know that he really is my father, because I look in the mirror and see the resemblance.
It ain’t so easy. The Kingdom of God (nor anything else) will not be sired by Eunuchs. Good men committing self satisfied genetic genocide simply reduces the armies of good, leaving the bad less opposed.
And your grandfather was even less likely to recognize that description. That’s being on the road to hell (and extinction, thank goodness) with the gas pedal mashed is like. Things just getting worse and worse. At the current rate, by the time your daughters are your age, they’ll be “liberated” enough to spend their entire youths servicing politicians and Goldman Sachs drones. While your sons toil away in labor camps to fund the whole party, including the bastards spawned by the practice; who the Goldman Guys will fund a study to “prove” is genetically better off being a Goldman fathered bastard, than your own biological grandson. Such is Dystopia.
Unless our brothers and sisters to the east get hold of some nukes by then, and reset the whole race to the bottom, that is. God works in mysterious ways, after all.
The Kingdom of God was built by martyrs. Some of them were childless, and others were martyred together with their whole families. Regardless, for every one the enemy killed, three more converted. We will win; we always do. We take heavy casualties, but we always win.
Too bad the internet didn’t exist 2000 years ago. Joseph could have really used this advice.
St. Joseph, who could have had Mary stoned to death on account of her apparent adultery, but instead believed that this child was the Son of God and took her into his home? What use would he have for this?
I think all of thrtee of these could work very well together.
Are there any other articles on this site abut how to manipulate people into have medical procedures they may not want? My sister is trying to persuade her husbamd to have a vasectomy and he ain’t playing ball.
She should simply stop fucking him until he complies.
Before quoting a condition such as autism try doing a little research so you don’t display quite so obviously your level of ignorance. Just one of many reasons to move away from your “advice”.
As for a feminist’s view, yes they may well defend a woman’s right to an abortion but they are also likely to defend that woman’s right to make her own decision and to do so without emotional manipulation at such an emotional time. I’m sure they would also have issue with advocating that a man should behave like a dirty liar. Just as well the majority of men would be as equally appalled by your actions and suggestions.
What kind of imbecile compares gametes with actual human beings?
I am quite simply, stunned. I offer my blog as a reference for you of what happens to women after the abortion and for every day for the rest of their lives. http://www.postabortionwalk.blogspot.com. May God have mercy on your soul.
“What happens to women” hahaha that’s not going to score sympathy here tard
“What happens to women” hahaha that’s not going to score sympathy here tard
http://www.imnotsorry.net I’ve had two abortions and zero regrets. My husband doesn’t regret them, either.
Guilt doesnt exist if you’re a sociopath.
Let’s face it: sexually active people have accidents. Shit happens, that’s life.
I’d have a problem viewing my offspring as a piece of shit that just happened. That’s a feminist’s prerogative.
Let’s face it: sexually active people have accidents. Shit happens, that’s life.
I’d have a problem viewing my offspring as a piece of shit that just happened. That’s a feminist’s prerogative.
If you are unprepared for fatherhood, then refrain from having sex. If you cannot refrain, then you are no more than an animal. You are like the tomcat wandering the alley.
My husband and I had two abortions. Birth control fails. Married people abort.
So, your a woman? Well, if that’s what you and your husband have agreed to , then fine. It’s quite another to be manipulated into have an abortion.
I agree. No cild should be killed due to a manipulative man or woman. If the men who follow the “wisdom” on this site don’t want children they should not have sex. If they are unable to control themselves, then they are mere animals.
I agree. No cild should be killed due to a manipulative man or woman. If the men who follow the “wisdom” on this site don’t want children they should not have sex. If they are unable to control themselves, then they are mere animals.
So, your a woman? Well, if that’s what you and your husband have agreed to , then fine. It’s quite another to be manipulated into have an abortion.
You had 4 children, and you had 2 of them killed in utero, you mean.
So, lie to her and deceive her. That’s your tactic. What a fucking coward. How about this? Earn the balls that you were born with and accept responsibility for your actions. If you don’t want a kid, then wrap it up or keep it in your damn pants and stop playing the victim. Seems like someone was told by mommy that they are better then they actually are………..
So, lie to her and deceive her. That’s your tactic. What a fucking coward. How about this? Earn the balls that you were born with and accept responsibility for your actions. If you don’t want a kid, then wrap it up or keep it in your damn pants and stop playing the victim. Seems like someone was told by mommy that they are better then they actually are………..
Condoms break. Women trick men into getting them pregnant. Then what?
Condoms break. Women trick men into getting them pregnant. Then what?
Again, if you don’t want a kid, then keep it in your pants. Also, how in the fuck does a woman trick a man into getting pregnant, when having sex in itself is a risk you take in reproducing a child? Besides, are you telling me that you would be dumb enough to trust someone you just met that she is telling the truth? That’s like a woman believing that a man that tells he has fallen in love with her on the first date and wants to marry her.
Again, if you don’t want a kid, then keep it in your pants. Also, how in the fuck does a woman trick a man into getting pregnant, when having sex in itself is a risk you take in reproducing a child? Besides, are you telling me that you would be dumb enough to trust someone you just met that she is telling the truth? That’s like a woman believing that a man that tells he has fallen in love with her on the first date and wants to marry her.
Women lie about being on the pill. And who says only ONS and booty calls get struck by unwanted pregnancy? My husband and I aborted twice when our birth control failed
Please stop saying “fuck” all the time. There are older gentlemen on this site who cannot abide a foul-mouthed female.
Indeed, she is a low brow trollop.
“Also, how in the fuck does a woman trick a man into getting pregnant,
when having sex in itself is a risk you take in reproducing a child?”
Woman: I’m definitely on the pill.
Man: Ok, I love you and I trust you since we’ve been together for over a year now. We can have unprotected sex.
“Besides, are you telling me that you would be dumb enough to trust someone you just met that she is telling the truth?”
I don’t think anyone’s that daft, but I think it would be quite likely for a man to trust a girl he has been in a sexual relationship with for some significant amount of time. It isn’t uncommon for those women to use that trust in order to create an unwanted pregnancy, despite their partner not being ready for it.
Fair enough, however, again, choosing to have sex is a risk for pregnancy unless either partner is sterile (and sometimes some of those procedures don’t work). This is a personal risk for me and my husband where a resulting pregnancy would be life-threatening to me and the child. Imagine the horror of being told by a doctor that not only a procedure didn’t work (though it did minimize the risk of pregnancy) but the only way not to get pregnant would be the removal of my reproductive organs. I’m not saying this to provoke sympathy but as a warning. If a man isn’t ready for a child, especially with a specific woman, take all necessary precaution, if not, then don’t have sex with her. It’s better to masturbate than risk the drama. I preach this to my own sons.
Freedom of speech. There was a time when “hell” and “tarnation” were considered foul. I don’t like to disrespect my elders, sir. However, I do consider manipulating a woman into having an abortion far worse than being “foul-mouthed”.
Again, great for you and your husband. The both of you discussed the issue and came to a mutual agreement. And again, it’s much different than manipulating someone into having an abortion. By the way, IUD’s work great and so much more inexpensive and less invasive than abortion. Just saying.
Well said.I agree with you, one of the worse thing that you can do to a woman is manipulating her into having an abortion.
And to the ones using foul language, I will say use it if you want but you are wasting your time, unless all you are trying to do is to make people angry and upset and to prevent them from seeing and understanding your point of view.
Star Seed, I am very much in agreement with most of what you have been saying in your comments. I just thought that you might want to do a little bit if research on IUD’s. Did you know that they do not stop conception they just prevent the embryo from attaching to the uterine wall? So if like me you believe that life begins at conception, then you will agree that an IUD is an abortifacient.
I have one to help regulate female issues. A pregnancy would mean a death sentence for me. At any rate, it’s far better than traditional abortion but I do understand your point of view.
Ironically, I didn’t start using foul language until I went to college (and was taught it is “artistic”). However, my family is old-fashioned, so to speak and I understand your point of view on this comment too.
Your eyes are too far apart. Nose is definitely crooked. The shape of your face is not aesthetically pleasing at all. You look like a 3/10 with make up in this photo. I don’t even want to imagine what you look like without make up. I actually threw up in my mouth, just thinking about it.
Your head is too big (although that may be, because of your giraffe neck posture). As for your hair, lol. Seriously, do something. You look like a horse.
Stare at your face for more than 5 seconds, and you will see how ugly you are. The eyes which are too far apart is what ruins/damages an already ugly face even further. Unfortunately for you, that can’t be surgically fixed, lol.
You arms are way too long. lol at how they hang by your sides. Kind of reminds me of lurch. As for your tits, we all know there is extra padding there. Don’t even let me start on your pale complexion. It only works if you look hot. Unfortunately, you do not look hot. Its hard to sum up a creature like you in one word. ‘UGLY’ would be unfair, since it doesn’t reflect how repulsive you look. GROTESQUE is stretching it. But somewhere in between, is where you would be, on the scale of an average man.
I’m sorry if my words seem a little harsh. Just so you know, I sugar coated this post as much as possible.
Have a nice day.
you’re an ass. and I noticed you didn’t post a picture of your own (Im certain) excruciatingly ugly mug, so lay off this girl until you have the courage to do so
Ira, it’s not my fault that there is no scientifically method to enlarge a small penis. So, please don’t bore me with you insecurities. If you have a counter-argument to my initial statement then present it. Also, my statement was a generalization, however if the shoe fits…….
Your eyes are too far apart. Nose is definitely crooked. The shape of your face is not aesthetically pleasing at all. You look like a 3/10 with make up in this photo. I don’t even want to imagine what you look like without make up. I actually threw up in my mouth, just thinking about it.
Your head is too big (although that may be, because of your giraffe neck posture). As for your hair, lol. Seriously, do something. You look like a horse.
Stare at your face for more than 5 seconds, and you will see how ugly you are. The eyes which are too far apart is what ruins/damages an already ugly face even further. Unfortunately for you, that can’t be surgically fixed, lol.
You arms are way too long. lol at how they hang by your sides. Kind of reminds me of lurch. As for your tits, we all know there is extra padding there. Don’t even let me start on your pale complexion. It only works if you look hot. Unfortunately, you do not look hot. Its hard to sum up a creature like you in one word. ‘UGLY’ would be unfair, since it doesn’t reflect how repulsive you look. GROTESQUE is stretching it. But somewhere in between, is where you would be, on the scale of an average man.
I’m sorry if my words seem a little harsh. Just so you know, I sugar coated this post as much as possible.
Have a nice day.
I see why your name is bacon. you are a pig.
Heh. Old people humor make me laugh.
Abortion is NOT Contraception.
It worked for my husband and I when contraception failed. Twice.
It’s not?
Abortion is murder used to back-up failed contraception.
It’s not?
You are a monster.
To all the women who have a problem with this article, I would ask:
You must be FOR a male birth control pill? Am I right?
YES. I think it’s actually in the second phase of clinical trials.
How about not having sex until you are married and financially/emotionally ready to be responsible for any children that may result?
Gee, what a concept.
I had two abortions while married. Wedding rings don’t prevent condoms from breaking.
Well, it won’t stop it entirely, of course. Those who choose to murder their unborn children will continue to do so.
But it will lessen the possibility.
We can see your whole argument crumble with this comment….
Meatball, it is evident that the most important person in your life is YOU. That didnt change when your children were born. I feel sorry for your living children…
Well said, jberrrrrr. I will add to that: Meatball, I feel very sorry not only for your living children but also for you, I hope and pray that one day you might discover what real happiness means.
Wow. No amount of “callous asshole” posturing can cover up the fact that you’re a small, weak, little boy. The sad combination of craving attention through controversy, trying to piss people off, and and thinly veiled insecurity and weakness is unimpressive to say the least.
I wish this guy had knocked up my stepdaughter instead of the poor bastard that actually fucked her. It would have been so much better for everyone gad she aborted, rather than giving birth to her bastard crotch droppings. Now her life is ruined, baby daddy’s life is ruined, and so is ours. All thanks to the little illegitimate twat turd she insisted on having. My own daughter won’t have that option; she will have to abort or get out of our house.
You forgot the “last resort” method. Kill the b**** and dump her in the woods. Its more reliable than those other methods and every bit as humane.
Is this sarcasm, or are you serious? Because if you are serious you are just as disturbing as the author of this horrific article.
You bet its sarcasm! The people who like this article don’t deserve to be called human. Their worldview and seething hate puts them one step away from being rapists and murderers. That is, if they aren’t already.
I wasn’t sure at first, then I saw some of your other posts I realized that it was. I just cringe at some of the other posters here that agree with the whackjob that wrote this piece of trash. I just hope that any other girl who has the misfortune of hooking up with him or any other jackwagon that takes this advice sees this article and tells him to stuff it.
You come up with worse ideas than those you mock.
The legal issues involved complicate that one a bit.
This just proves that abortion has nothing to do with women’s rights but all to do with the selfishness of some so called humans whose life is all about the constant pursuit of temporary and ephemeral pleasure. It is so unfortunate that as a result they will never know what real happiness is.
I had two abortions and I couldn’t be happier about it. Birth control fails. If women can opt out of forced reproduction, men should be able to do so as well.
I had two abortions and I couldn’t be happier about it. Birth control fails. If women can opt out of forced reproduction, men should be able to do so as well.
When you consent to sex, it is not FORCED reproduction. The only true “birth control” is self-control. Abortion is the ultimate act of selfishness and denial.
Let’s be selfish then.
When you consent to sex, it is not FORCED reproduction. The only true “birth control” is self-control. Abortion is the ultimate act of selfishness and denial.
Show me the statute of law that proves it is illegal to be selfish? Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy, stupid twat.
Mmm I’ll bet you’re a great parent.
Of course consent to sex is consent to pregnancy. Consent to ANY action is consent to its foreseeable consequences, and anyone who imagines that pregnancy is not the natural consequence of sex is delusional.
Statutes are the work of governments, the greatest evil there ever was. Hence carry no weight whatsoever, morally. The only reason to abide by any one of them, is fear of potential consequences.
Selfishness, when it reaches the level of killing kids, are a bit tough to justify morally.
No, not anymore, just like death isn’t a natural consequence to the flu anymore, we’re in 2013, science has evolved.
Then apparently you don’t know that thousands of Americans die from the flu each year, even today, and not for want of healthcare. Modern medicine can’t save everybody.
There’s different types of flu, the one killing people isn’t the now harmless flu that many people get in winter.
I am sad that you have had two abortions. I wonder do you ever wonder what they would be doing now if they were alive today?
Unless the pregnancy is the result of a rape, it cannot be “forced reproduction”. Everything that you do in life has consequences, and unless you are acting against your will, the consequences are not “forced”. While the pregnancy is NOT forced, the way Bacon describes his tactics, I would say that the abortions ARE forced.
This article of Bacon is not even about the right of the men to be allowed to opt for an abortion. It is about men being absolute pigs in how they treat women, about encouraging men to lie to get what they want out of women. It also tells men that it is OK to be selfish, in fact that they should be selfish, that other people’s feeling are not important.
This just proves that abortion has nothing to do with women’s rights but all to do with the selfishness of some so called humans whose life is all about the constant pursuit of temporary and ephemeral pleasure. It is so unfortunate that as a result they will never know what real happiness is.
What if the child you want aborted is a male? Does that charge the manosphere opinion?
What if the child you want aborted is a male? Does that charge the manosphere opinion?
Nope. Abort the little fuckers. Birth control fails. Even married people have abortions. I did. Twice. I wish someone would have talked my stepdaughter into aborting her little bastard crotch droppings. She has fucked up her life, her baby daddy’s life, our lives, and especially her little twat turd’s life.
Nope. Abort the little fuckers. Birth control fails. Even married people have abortions. I did. Twice. I wish someone would have talked my stepdaughter into aborting her little bastard crotch droppings. She has fucked up her life, her baby daddy’s life, our lives, and especially her little twat turd’s life.
I feel very sad for you… being so full of hate…
Change your user name, because there is nothing Catholic about you.
You don’t give orders here
Sounds just like the kind of daughter a whore would inevitably raise.
you´re fucking asshole
First, just want to say I’m very pleasantly surprised to see all the guys here advocating personal responsibility and respect for life. If our best argument as men is that we should be able to behave amorally towards our progeny because women can, that is pretty sad.
Distinct but somewhat related question for the “responsible” guys and self-identified Christians out there. Assume you are happily married and want kids (really, different from the original hypo, right?) and you find out, through early testing, that your kid will have down syndrome. Further assume that:
(i) the kid will never live anything close to a “normal” life (not talking about the kid just missing a finger) and will be completely sterile;
(ii) the kid will cause major hardships for your family, including your wife, other kid(s) and both sets of grandparents and will suck up resources you would have spent on your other kids, and may end up being a major burden on society;
(iii) the burden of the kid will cause you to forego at least one healthy kid you would have otherwise had; and
(iv) you learn that over 90% of expecting parents in your situation opt for an abortion.
Do you keep the kid or terminate him (unfortunately, it’s likely a boy if there is a genetic problem)?
For those who say keep, imagine the doctors say the kid will not live past 3-4, same result?
If you terminate, you will be the one convincing your wife that it’s the right thing to do and absolving her of all blame.
This is why I think forbidding abortion in ALL circumstances is really tough even for those of us who identify as “pro-life”. Full disclosure, I have 2 healthy boys (and am incredibly thankful for that!).
All life is valuable and can impact others in ways you could NEVER imagine. No baby is a mistake, they were all meant to be. What makes “normal” life any better than a child unburdened with the emotion torment we inflict on each other with articles like the one written above? Being born sterile shouldn’t mean a death sentence for a human being. Thousands of people ELECT sterilization every year, is their life any less worthy? You assume a “suffering” when in reality others experience a gratefulness for the life and opportunity they have been given, in any form.
No baby is a mistake? I can’t think of a single twelve year old who WANTS to have her daddy’s baby.
That baby is her escape hatch from her abusive father. That baby’s DNA is the evidence needed to prove that he’s an incestuous rapist, and all killing the child does is destroy the evidence and hand her right back into the arms of her abuser.
You can recover dna from an aborted fetus. Your mental gymnastics is telling
Yes, if the abortionist will bother to do so, which most won’t.
Can you think of a lot of kids that would want to be ripped apart and tossed in the trash, because some government drone told them their daddy was a bad man?
Hi Missie:
Sorry I didn’t make this clear. I was trying to address thinking men. Not looking for any responses from a woman. Your brain is wired differently, and frankly is not suitable for heavy reasoning. Not looking for a rehash of the “all life is valuable” thing. I already get that argument, but hope you realize you could use the same argument to say a cat is as valuable as a human, because you could NEVER imagine how it could impact others and it would be “unburdened with emotional torment”, etc.. Thanks for understanding/playing.
biff
(i) What is “normal”? Do you decide what is “normal”?
(ii) How do you know that the kid will cause major hardships, on the contrary. All of the testimonies I have read and heard about, and the personal cases that I know about, tell me otherwise.
(iii) How does having a child with down syndrome, causes you to forgo a “healthy” child? (I believe that down syndrome children are very healthy and by “healthy” I suppose that you mean what you would call “normal”.)
(iv) Are you such a sheep that because 90% of the people around you do something, that you can’t think and reason for yourself and do what you believe is the right thing to do and not follow the 90%?
(v) I think that your age expectancy argument is ridiculous. Suppose that you could see in the future while pregnant, that you were told that your child would be very “healthy”, have all of his/her fingers and toes, be completely “normal”, but unfortunately due to some terrible accident he/she would die at the age of 4, would you have an abortion?
Who are we to decide what circumstance gives us the right to become murderers?
Absolutely I keep him, and maybe he’ll make a good priest one day.
This is a great example of the legions of cowardly, amoral “men” who treat women like garbage; they possess no chivalry, no self control; they are disloyal and dishonest; they spend all day pursuing pleasure at the expense of others. They take advantage of emotionally broken, self loathing, confused young women. And ironically these men were created by the free-love, hippie feminists of the 60s who taught them that pleasure comes before self-control and responsibility. They have no concept of love and commitment.
This is a great example of the legions of cowardly, amoral “men” who treat women like garbage; they possess no chivalry, no self control; they are disloyal and dishonest; they spend all day pursuing pleasure at the expense of others. They take advantage of emotionally broken, self loathing, confused young women. And ironically these men were created by the free-love, hippie feminists of the 60s who taught them that pleasure comes before self-control and responsibility. They have no concept of love and commitment.
Or they are just sick of bitches lying about being on the pill, getting pregnant intentionally, then expecting a wedding ring or a monthly support check.
Or they are just sick of bitches lying about being on the pill, getting pregnant intentionally, then expecting a wedding ring or a monthly support check.
You make a good case for getting rid of contraception entirely. If there were no contraception, then no one could lie about it.
Missie why does a man have no say in the matter?
Your question Mike should be: Why does the baby have no say in the matter?
Because the baby isn’t a thing yet.
Of course the baby isn’t a thing. Are you a thing? No you’re a human being, and so is the baby. And as such, the baby has as much right to life as you do.
Because it isn’t a baby, learn to use the correct terms, at that stage it is a fetus.
Actually it is a baby. pwned!! http://www.thefreedictionary.com/baby
Most of you are disgusting sickfucks who shouldn’t be allowed to have sex at all, with anyone, or be around children, ever.
For that completely uneducated and disastrous reply, I pity you. I award you no points and may God have mercy on your soul.
Numbers 5:12-28
12 “Speak to the Israelites and say to them: ‘If a man’s wife goes astray and is unfaithful to him 13 by sleeping with another man, and this is hidden from her husband and her impurity is undetected (since there is no witness against her and she has not been caught in the act), 14 and if feelings of jealousy come over her husband and he suspects his wife and she is impure—or if he is jealous and suspects her even though she is not impure- 15 then he is to take his wife to the priest. He must also take an offering of a tenth of an ephah of barley flour on her behalf. He must not pour oil on it or put incense on it, because it is a grain offering for jealousy, a reminder offering to draw attention to guilt.
16 ” ‘The priest shall bring her and have her stand before the LORD. 17 Then he shall take some holy water in a clay jar and put some dust from the tabernacle floor into the water. 18 After the priest has had the woman stand before the LORD, he shall loosen her hair and place in her hands the reminder offering, the grain offering for jealousy, while he himself holds the bitter water that brings a curse. 19 Then the priest shall put the woman under oath and say to her, “If no other man has slept with you and you have not gone astray and become impure while married to your husband, may this bitter water that brings a curse not harm you. 20 But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have defiled yourself by sleeping with a man other than your husband”- 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse of the oath-“may the LORD cause your people to curse and denounce you when he causes your thigh to waste away and your abdomen to swell. [b] 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells and your thigh wastes away. [c] ” Then the woman is to say, “Amen. So be it.”
23 ” ‘The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water. 24 He shall have the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water will enter her and cause bitter suffering. 25 The priest is to take from her hands the grain offering for jealousy, wave it before the LORD and bring it to the altar. 26 The priest is then to take a handful of the grain offering as a memorial offering and burn it on the altar; after that, he is to have the woman drink the water. 27 If she has defiled herself and been unfaithful to her husband, then when she is made to drink the water that brings a curse, it will go into her and cause bitter suffering; her abdomen will swell and her thigh waste away, and she will become accursed among her people. 28 If, however, the woman has not defiled herself and is free from impurity, she will be cleared of guilt and will be able to have children.
So there’s Gods punishment for foul-mouthed, pregnant wives who stray – death to her unborn child, and any chance of conceiving outside the matrimonial bed, gone as well. Good old “bitter water” the Biblical equivalent of the RU486, only so much better!
Strange, I always understood Christians, are against abortion? Pro-Life, even? That must have been my mistake sorry, because here we have a recipe for aborting children in The Old Testament and THE LORDS word is after-all , THE LORDS word.
PS: By the way if you are giving it a try, an ephah is the modern-day equivalent of about two litres, but to be sure I’d recommend you better run through the concoction with your neighbourhood priest, before shoving it down the throat of your ‘knocked-up’, philandering wife.
Interesting concept. I find it funny that often the opponents of Feminists and certain Christians are better verse in Feminism and Christianity than the proponents (of Feminism and Christianity) are!
I don’t believe in god.
Neither do I. I’m agnostic. Doesn’t mean I can’t push buttons by invoking his name.
Two abortions and two kids later, I’d say you’re 20 years too late. And, because we planned our family, I now have children accustomed to a lifestyle you probably can’t afford. No one should be forced into parenthood before they are ready.
4 kids and two deaths later, you mean. The lifestyle of yourself and your equally-spoiled children is never going to bring back the two you had killed, and no amount of comfort is worth the lives of your children. Fucker.
Faye, I can understand your rage and your commitment but please try to abate your hate (that you are showing through your foul language), it is not helping anyone, most of all yourself. Hate destroys. Hate is not going to change things but love and understanding might.
“you probably cant afford..” HA! you’re arrogant, arent you? I hope your newer model SUV and daily soy latte is worth it when you face your children in the afterlife…
As an atheist, sometimes I wish there was a hell, just so some people could go there. 🙁
There is a hell, and someday, there will be perfect justice for everybody. You should believe in Jesus. He is the perfect combination of Justice and Mercy. 🙂
Two abortions and two kids later, I’d say you’re 20 years too late. And, because we planned our family, I now have children accustomed to a lifestyle you probably can’t afford. No one should be forced into parenthood before they are ready.
Another woman with a heart of gold, I’m sure, who happens to promote eugenics.
No, just looking out for myself, other women, and our children. Those who deserve protection from exploiters like you all. 🙂
Take note that she didn’t include whiteknights in the people she looks out for
you denial of human rights indicates youre a totalitarian
Killing someone in utero is kinda like, the ultimate denial of human rights there, chum.
Except if it isn’t someone, at fetus stage, that’s only matter of opinion.
Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the wicked. Psalm 1:1. For the Lord watches over the way of the righteous; but the way of the wicked shall perish. Psalm 1:6. You are so deceived in your thinking. I remember a true story of an abortion doctor who changed his stance after he saw his own toddler accidentally killed. Death stared him in the face and he realized what he was doing was murder. I am praying that you too will have a change of heart.
Not only does the Bible give a recipe and ceremony for abortion, but it does say when a human being’s life begins.
Genesis 2:7 is clearest. The first human became a “living being” (nefesh hayah, “a living breath”) when God blew into its nostrils and it started to breathe. Human life begins when you start breathing, biblical writers thought. It ends when you stop. That’s why the Hebrew word often translated “spirit” (ruah) — “life force” might be a better translation — literally means “wind” or “breath.”
But what about babies in the womb?
A few passages talk about someone called by God before birth: “The LORD called me from the womb. From the innermost parts of my mother, God named me … and said to me, ‘You are my servant Israel, in whom I’ll be glorified” (Isaiah 49:1-3).
Here, the one called is the nation Israel, not an individual. A nation of course can’t occupy a womb. The language is figurative not literal. It isn’t describing prenatal biology or pinpointing when human life begins. It’s affirming God’s power and Israel’s calling to a special mission in the world.
Other passages make the same point by saying someone’s called by God before they’re even conceived (Genesis 18:9; 1 Samuel 1:17; Luke 1:31). I’ve not heard anyone make the case, based on these texts, that human life begins before conception.
It’s hard to ask biblical texts the modern question, “when does human life begin?” because the Bible has a very different understanding of human reproduction. Biblical writers don’t talk about sperm fertilizing eggs. They talk about male “seed” planted in fertile female ground. Just as a seed becomes a plant when it emerges from the ground, so too a man’s planted seed becomes another human being when it emerges from the womb.
The only verses I know that address the legal status of “seed” in the womb come in a brief section of case law.
Exodus 21:22-25 describes a case where a pregnant woman jumps into a fight between her husband and another man and suffers injuries that cause her to miscarry. Injuries to the woman prompt the normal penalties for harming another human being: an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a life for a life. Killing the woman is murder, a capital crime. Death of the fetus – pay attention – is treated as a PROPERTY CRIME.
Babies in the womb breathe oxygen genius.
Swedishmeatball isn’t very clued in about science.
Thank you. Ironically, these bible thumping jerk-offs very likely could not read or know a word in Hebrew, Aramaic/Arabic or Greek. All they know is whatever shit King James’s medieval editors slapped together. SMH.
Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the wicked. Psalm 1:1. For the Lord watches over the way of the righteous; but the way of the wicked shall perish. Psalm 1:6. You are so deceived in your thinking. I remember a true story of an abortion doctor who changed his stance after he saw his own toddler accidentally killed. Death stared him in the face and he realized what he was doing was murder. I am praying that you too will have a change of heart.
OR- If you want to be a real man, just do like Ariel Castro, (who I’m fairly certain read this site) and keep three girls chained in your basement. Whenever they get pregnant, just punch ’em in the stomach till they miscarry. Yeah bro!
http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/01/justice/ohio-castro
Oink oink!
Ladies there are plenty of guys out there willing to be a man and raise kids regardless of where they are in life. Raise your standards and don’t mate with pigs.
Also boys (because you’re not men) bring some extra money with you. Because you’re going to be doing a lot of driving to find a clinic we haven’t shut down.
Thank you for inspiring me to continue voting pro life and donating to organizations like ATTWN. Now excuse me while I burn this bra.
Excuse me while I have another abortion just for fun. You’ve inspired me to donate $2,000 to Lillith Fund.
Enjoy it while you still can. Will no longer be an option for you soon.
how will it no longer be an option?
The standard of care in the abortion industry is declining. It’s not an attractive field for someone with an MD. Furthermore abortion clinics are closing left and right in politically conservative areas of the US. In liberal areas there are not enough doctors to meet the demand so they are pushing for laws that allow anyone with training to perform surgical abortions. Good luck with that girls. I hope your fertility isn’t very important to you. Like I said, enjoy your abortions now because it won’t be an option for you later.
Lol OK rachel I think abortions have been going on for thousands of years and they will not stop because of your bad omens.
Hey I bet poverty is going to end soon too. And racism
Hey so has all other murder. I’m sure it will still happen, but not as easily. And you won’t be able to murder as safely or conveniently. That’s the goal. If you want to take the life of another human being, do so at your own risk.
Rachel, you and your kind are sick. Ok? It is YOUR kind that inspired ME to a career in law and public policy to stop and destroy your sick, bullshit, backwards movement! Bring it on, dearie!
I’m sick?! Really? Tell me you poor naive little person how I’M sick because I want to see the end of an industry that shoves vacuum cleaners up women’s vaginas to suck out living human beings? Oh how sick I must be to have a problem with the fact that these clinics have someone designated to piece BODY PARTS back together so they can be sure that the vacuum cleaner got everything. Your side ADVOCATES abortions up until the moment of birth. We’re talking babies that can survive on the outside. The ONLY reason it’s outlawed in certain states is because sickos like me said “screw you, you’re not going to do that”. Common sense and logic never seem go well with any pro choice position. The only thing your side has going for it is a large group of supporters who’ve been fed the lie that abortion solves problems, had one in a moment of desperation, and now have no choice but to defend their “choice” otherwise take on the seemingly impossible task of coping with the GUILT if killing their own child. So get angry with me sweetheart all you want. Nothing you do will justify you taking a life that wasn’t yours.
So good to read this! 🙂 keep it up!
Rachel, lemme clap dem cheeks gurl. I got dat dere BBC, nomsaiyin? Make you feel good, na’ mean?
Wonder if your dad said the same thing to your mom. By the way how is your mom doing?
You look like a painted clown in your photo. Strong manjaw. Strong nose. Thin, unappealing lips. If I saw you in real life, I’d mistake you for Jay Leno with make-up. A solid 2/10, but only because I’m feeling charitable.
But it’s all good gurl. I’d still give you the privelege of tasting my BBC. I can’t wait to plaster that face of yours with my man milk.
Don’t hate on me because you live in the shadow of a dead baby and clearly hate women. 🙂
Also, if I cared about what guys with BBC thought of me, I would actually date them. But I don’t and I don’t. 🙂
Have a great day!
Don’t say another goddamn word. Up until now, I’ve been polite. If you say anything else – one word – i will kill myself. And when my tainted spirit finds its destination, I will topple the master of that dark place. From my black throne, I will lash together a machine of bone and blood, and fueled by my hatred for you this fear engine will bore a hole between this world and that one. When it begins, you will hear the sound of children screaming – as though from a great distance. A smoking orb of nothing will grow above your bed, and from it will emerge a thousand starving crows. As I slip through the widening maw in my new form, you will catch only a glimpse of my radiance before you are incinerated. Then, as tears of bubbling pitch stream down my face, my dark work will begin. I will open on of my six mouths, and I will sing the song that ends the Earth.
What is BBC Rachel?
Have you read “Salvation Wars”?
It’s how boys with uncontrollable hormones and mediocre sized (regardless of race) penises like to refer to themselves.
Now I’m convinced you’re 12. Go do your homework.
Ira Suljimmy, your answer is a typical answer of an unhappy person, of someone with no real conviction. There’s no point in your statement other than attacking and trying to hurt, regardless of the discussion. Luckily those types of attacks usually does absolutely nothing, other than making someone laugh because they are so ridiculous. I feel very sorry for you.
What
the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you
know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in
numerous secret raids on Al-Qaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed
forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with a precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth,
mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me
over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret
network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you
better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic
little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere,
anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my
bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have
access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use
it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent,
you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your
little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have
held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying
the price, you goddamn idiot. Be prepared, worm.
Yeah, they are the same men you will cheat on after you get bored of them.
Funny how the guys that feminists praise are the same ones that are not rewarded with sex and relationships
Nah, I’m putting my money on the dude who will screw you then try to coerce you into killing your (and his) resulting child as being the low-life type who would also cheat on a woman.
When you’re basically life support for a penis and your entire existence revolves around getting laid, I can see how someone’s idea of being “responsible” has more to do with removing anything in their life that requires attention on something, or someone, other than their penis.
Why does the man have no say in the matter? Shouldn’t the mans opinion count too?
Legally give up custody or run away and hide if your that big of a cowered. Don’t want kids? Then DON’T HAVE SEX. Plain and simple.
More emotionally fueled feminist babble… yawn.
How about answering my questions?
Yes, they should. Which is why neither the man nor the woman should be able to shirk the responsibility of parenthood by murdering or abandoning the child. The attitude needs to be, “If you conceive a child together, you’re stuck with each other whether you like it or not.”
That will surely create a healthy environment to raise a child in
Ever hear of adoption?
I guess when you pair up two walking hormones you can’t really expect any good to result from it.
In case the mods are curious, the bible humpers are cluching their pearls and screaming about this on Facebook. Congrats on increasing your traffic. Brilliant!
I’m an atheist Pro-Life activist. I don’t thump bibles. But I do express disgust at idiot man-children running around playing with their dicks like zoo animals.
I was expecting a feminist human wave attack but now it makes sense.
You are a class A jerk! You should NEVER have children because you don’t know the 1st thing about love. If you have a girl friend I hope she opens her eyes, mind, and heart and dumps you!!!!!!! Maybe you should move to Afghanistan.
I noticed this blog & article have the tagline “For masculine men.”
Here’s a shining example of true masculinity:
http://themattwalshblog.com/2013/08/28/dear-son-dont-let-robin-thicke-be-a-lesson-to-you/
I would also like to point out…this example of true masculinity comes from an article that has absolutely nothing to do with the abortion issue so it kinda carries a bit more weight than an argument coming from a mere pro-life advocate would. And, it’s written by another man…who also happens to be a father and likes it that way. (I know, that concept is probably shocking to you, but just try to keep it together here.)
The truth is, any woman worth being with (and I mean “being with” in any way, shape, or form) understands that “A man is defined by how he treats women, by how he keeps his promises, and by how he protects and serves the ones he loves.”
Try looking past “number one” for a change, you might discover that there are some pretty awesome people out there who aren’t here merely to be used up and discarded by the likes of you.
Really, that is how men are defined?
Let me know when women are defined how they treat men.
Oh wait, that isn’t what the system wants – the systems wants men maintaining and protecting the social bubble women are collectively encased in so they remain being fantastic producers and consumers.
What is there to protect, anyway? The rank self-absorption of modern women?
I can see why there’s a fake name. I definitely would not want to be associated with this article. Sick.
Because it’s vindictive people like you who would try to get a man fired for having an opinion other than your own.
I wouldn’t dream of getting him fired. His own selfishness will make his life a living h**l. And he won’t even know why.
From experience, assumed selfishness does make you happier.
No, it only gives the illusion of happiness until you realize that you’re completely alone, no one likes you, and the strength of youth gives way to the feebleness of old age.
You can grow younger. Look at the zen masters
Sure, because you’re the best placed to decide if I’m happy or not.
I will make sure I share this on fb and with my young nieces so if this ever happens they know not to listen to any of the crap that’s said to them by the guy who made them feel loved at some point. Ditch the guy and have your kid the lack of love from one person will be overcome by love from many others. We wonder why murder on our streets have become so out of control. And it’s because people are losing all respect for human life before its even begun. Smh
lol single mothers. One of the cancers killing america today. I rather be an orphan than be raised by some sloot single mother and her slooty friends. No thanks, jeff.
“If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs, and there is no quiet.” Proverbs 29:9
white babies must never be aborted, all others, such as armenian/persian babies, no problem
Have you no conscience? This is positively amoral thought.
You’re a sick, twisted son of a bitch. If anyone should have been aborted, it should have been you.
Rails against abortion, but wishes the author was aborted. Strong logic.
Are you a female? Cuz you certainly sound like one.
The one who counsels the murder of others wishes for his own death. That is what, “Treat others the way you would like to be treated,” means. It’s not just a command, but a fundamental moral law, that whatsoever you do to your neighbor, you wish upon yourself.
A good rebuttal: http://www.unmaskingchoice.ca/blog/2013/08/29/trying-convince-girl-get-abortion
Fuck you.
Your mother must be so proud of you. I’ll bet in 20 years from now you will have some major regrets about the advice you have given other men!
The author of this article is clearly a wimp and a nobody. No manliness here. Only a disgusting poser.
what are indicators of manliness to you?
Real men step up to the plate and defend women and children. Clearly, the author of this article has no care for such defense.
I always thought a real man was a male that went through puberty.
No, that only indicates a physically mature male. A man is a protector and a defender. He protects and defends women, children, family, community, and country. He works for the common good and joy of all. He is a giver and not a taker. He is fair and just. He is a good leader and inspires those who he has been entrusted to lead.
what does a physically mature female have to do to be a “real woman ” then according to your worldview?
Why don’t you explain to us how the male who follows this article’s sadistic advice is not a coward and a loser?
To be honest, these kind of guys remind me of the losers in high school and college that all the pretty girls mocked and spurned.
To also take responsibility for what she did.
hhmm you deflected from my question, ill ask again,what does a physically mature female have to do to be a “real woman ” then according to your worldview?
hmmmm, I don’t really care to follow you in your line of questioning. I will stay to the point and you can follow me.
true whiteknight you are
I could really careless whatever you call me. Words of losers don’t pack much of a punch. More like gnats or flies.
You can’t even answer his question.
Of course I can. I choose to not to. He has not established his credibility for me to focus on his questions.
1.You answered his question on what a man is but won’t answer what a woman is, seems suspect.
2. He is an author here so he is more credible than you.
There are plenty of 40-year-old boys out there, and many of them are on this site.
That’s only your definition, and it sounds like hell on earth.
why would you call a 40 year old a boy?
why would you call a 40 year old a boy?
If he never bothered to grow up, he’s still a boy.
Going through puberty just makes you an adult, a man or a woman. If you want to add the adjective “real” to your status you have to earn it.
Do you talk this way to men in real life?
How does a woman earn the “Real” title?
Not running away from something you did.
A real man supports and defends women and children. These guys are imbeciles.
read this http://www.returnofkings.com/13468/the-war-against-white-knights
And then there was the odd notion that there’s a middle-ground between being a spineless, sniveling female sycophant and a pathetic, sex-crazed slimeball…
“With only two birth control options available to men (a condom and a vasectomy)…
My wife and I actually found a third method of birth-control other than these two. We kept our clothes on until we were married. Strangely, that has the universal appeal of not worrying about pregnancy AND is an indicator of a rather high percentage of relational succuss (contrary to public opinion). That is because the sex act tends to truncate the man’s conversational development and many times, the relationship will fail to flurish beyond its state when sex is initiated. That this writer thinks he has learned to think like an adult, is uhmmm…flawed.
It doesn’t take any strength or virtue to shirk your responsibilities and destroy people who get in your way. This is what we call cowardice.
The website producers would be close to the truth to rename this disugsting website as http://www.returnofcowards.com.
Having an abortion IS responsible. I’ve had two, and I don’t regret it.
I am sorry for any pain you have experienced and I am sorry that your two children were killed. I am sure they would have brought you much joy in this world.
yet studies how many women and men do.
I see two fatties crowding around a cake. The jokes write themselves.
http://qmbarque.com/2013/07/15/the-antithesis-of-manhood/
hi there all you brave “men” who think manipulating a girl to get an abortion is a “manly” thing to do…if you really got balls, like you CLAIM you do, watch this little video…
http://pro-lifetube.com/videos/583/the-most-shocking-%28graphic-imagery%29,-four-minute,-abortion-debate-yo
Lol playing the “Man Up” card doesn’t work here weirdo
A woman’s choice??? really? If it’s a woman’s free choice then she does not need convincing! Just more proof that abortions are often coerced by selfish ,careless men who wish to evade their responsibility .
You cannot coerce someone with words. No matter how you try to bend it in your silly little rationalizing mind, having an abortion is a woman’s choice.
That is the most disgusting, egotistical, pass-the-buck statement I’ve ever heard. Considering that, for your maximum gratification, you didn’t use a condom, you now try to find the cop-out that will set you free regardless of the impact it has on the lady. Secondly, your gamesmanship and how to play the girl is a perfect example of your narcissistic behavior where nothing matters but the little small head at the end of your penis. The “I made a mistake so I will just delete it” is fine for a computer but not for a human being (both the woman and the fetus). Grow up, take control of your hormones and start acting like a responsible human being as God intended.
Congrats! You’re a disgusting piece of crap!
This is disgusting. As somebody who has had a miscarriage, it’s awful to see articles like this where people CHOOSE to kill the baby. There are parents out there who want children, and then people like this who literally have one thing on their minds: themselves. Grow up.
There are currently 400,000+ children awaiting adoption in the US. If you really wanted to be a parent THAT bad, you would have already adopted.
There is pronounced shortage of children for adoption. Many people wait years for kids for adoption. Why do you think people travel all over the globe for kids?
You are evil.
And the evil shall inherit hell. Which is the world we are currently stuck in. Wish it wasn’t so, but there you go….
Sad and sick! =( Evil doesn’t care to be respectful nor logical.
bacon is a great man. to many men fall victim to the trap of fatherhood/child support for kids they never wanted. i will use this advice in the future next time my condom breaks in one of my hoes pussys.
I feel bad for the women who associate with you. What a shame and mistake.
You mean you feel bad for your girl. Cause I fuck her on the regular. I gots that big old dick your girl be craving but cant get at home. Yea ur girl is a freak what I like to call a “three hole slut”. I be putting them holes to good use lolz!
The infamous anonymous internet tough guy. It is hard to take threats seriously of somebody who can’t even post with his real name. Anyway, you should go home and learn some manners and them come back when you are able to have a mature conversation.
Bill Cloonan is a fag
Very classy.
And somehow we are supposed to consider the pro-choice crowd as an educated, scientific, mature bunch? Pffft!
You can see how she looks from his profile picture, you really don’t wanna fuck her !
You are right Jesus does love you, but he might not be very happy with you. Do yourself a favor, watch some videos, read some articles, find out what an abortion really is before you go ahead and then live with regret and remorse for the rest of your life. There are some mistakes that can’t be undone
If this isn’t sarcasm you are just as twisted and demented as a on.
The person who wrote this article is sick in the head.
I just threw up in my mouth. I pray that one day you find Jesus. I hope you get to heaven and the children you had assassinated (paying someone to kill someone) forgive you.
Assassination? Stop playing lawyer. You aren’t very good at it.
If Jesus Christ himself descended down from the glory that is heaven, and said to you, and only you, “my child, will you spread your glutes for me? I have dire need to go balls deep in that ass.” Would you allow him to stick his holy rod straight up your anus?
Please respond.
I would say, “Get thee behind me, Satan!” because there’s no way Jesus Christ would do that, and therefore, the one saying that is an impostor.
How do you know Jesus wouldn’t do that? Maybe that’s his idea of love, nomsaiyin? The fact that you claim to know what Jesus Christ would and wouldn’t do means you’re arrogant, brah. brb I know what a divine entity wants. lol. You have no idea what Jesus wants and desires. If he wants to ram his penor into your stink box, then you better allow his holiness in cuz he’s bringing the second cumming, ya feel me?
His idea of love is laying down His life for us and giving us His Flesh for food and His Blood for drink.
Why can’t you give an answer as to the morality of this: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Verden
Do you think it was wrong to kill those 4000 people?
Christianity is not to be spread by the sword. Charlemagne was wrong to do so. That said, I do not know the state of his soul at death.
Are you middle eastern?
5/8 Polish, 1/8 German, 1/8 Italian, and 1/8 Scots Irish. The dark skin you see is from my Italian ancestry.
You dishonor your ancestors by worshiping a god not their own. Middle Eastern traditions and superstitions are for middle easterners.
If it dishonors my ancestors to worship the Creator of the Universe, then I am proud to dishonor them.
LOL. These comments are NSFW!!! Your all getting me fired today! LOOOOL!
All you pissing, moaning fundies pay attention: 1 in three women has an abortion. 1 in 5 Christian women have abortions. That includes your sisters, aunts, cousins, mothers, neighbors, co workers and classmates. If you know nine women, at least three have had an abortion. You think the prisons and public schools are overcrowded now? Increase the population by an unwanted third. Until all the blubbering God botherers have ensured every child is fed, clothed, educated, given proper medical care, and has a permanent home, they have no business forcing anyone – male or female – into reproductive slavery.
You sound like a feminist in this comment! You are in good company.
Feminist treat men as sub-human.
Manosphere treats women as sub-human.
Both treat the unborn as subhuman. Evil loves company.
I’ve heard of people talking to themselves, but this is the first time I see someone commenting on their own comments! Thanks for the laugh!
Whoops, now the names are changed but first all the posts were labeled “Swedish Meatball” and it was really funny. Oh well!
Everyone has the right to live, ideal conditions or not. Even a child born into poverty can make a huge impact in soceity. They deserve an opportunity.
Except that now more than ever, the argument against abortion IS NOT religious, but it’s about the denial of human rights. That “unwanted third” is full of people who deserve to live no matter what their family or society at large thinks about them.
whale, whale, whale, what do we have here?
According to your crude logic, the solution to poverty is simply to kill all of the poor people of the world. I would make a Nazi eugenics reference, but it is so plainly apparent I don’t think I need to bother in spelling it out.
So be it. Let justice be done, though the heavens may fall!
By your logic, things were much better when there were fewer people on planet earth, which I assume you know is not true. The increase in human population increased, and life spans and living conditions increased along with it. No reason to eliminate the reason life spans and living conditions increased. By following the course of “Population Control,” people will end up living, short, brutish lives, probably naked, and swinging from trees with a banana on a string around our necks. Which, ironically, is where Darwin’s Theory of the Survival of the Most Fit Races puts the first human beings.
What causes hunger? | WFP | United Nations World Food Programme – Fighting Hunger Worldwide
1 in 2 women are either Indian and Chinese. So, anyone who knows two women, must know either an Indian or Chinese one………
Statistics’ not really your strengh, is it? Or anything else requiring much in the way of a brain, for that matter.
I do think prisons and public schools are overcrowded now. By Occam’s razor, the solution to that, is to set all inmates of both free. Pretty simple.
Feeding children is up to the kids’ parents or close relatives. Or anyone else that may care to contribute. Not “God Botherers”, whomever that may be.
And no third party, whether “God Botherers” or “Governments” have any business forcing anyone into anything at all. Whether “Reproductive Slavery” or child support payments.
This is a reprehensible article. Should be called “How to Convince The Woman Carrying Your Child to Kill It.”
We live in a sick, selfish and morally bankrupt age.
Hey, stupid e-card; life begins at conception. Sperm is one-half of the process, therefore that isn’t murder. Abortionists=idiots.
Oh, go fuck yourself.
If you took your own advice and fucked your damn self, you wouldn’t be saying stupid shit to justify killing a child.
Quite a crude article, I have to admit. The author moves through the subject with the grace of a Pamplona bull in a china shop. Yet, it’s difficult , at least for me, not to face the two sides of the story.
Where my wife is from, Colombia, there’s a deeply nurturing culture where no child is unwanted, and every child has access to an amazing extended family where even the old lady next door is benevolent enough to take care of the baby for hours a day. That extended family can and will take care of them as nicely, indeed even better than their biological parents, who are often young, inept and stinking with sense of guilt. There is no picture I have ever seen of herself or her family where I couldn’t spot at least two children who came out of a young single father or mother. Here’s Catalina (all names are fantasy), my brother in law’s beautiful daughter, who enjoys calling 3 different women “mama” and 13 “tia” (auntie). Here’s Adriana, the little poor girl adopted by a couple of childless old women living next door, who joined in for a birthday party. And then more happy faces, and more, some blonde as Europeans, some with the typical native “muisca” look. All radiating their own unique shade of beauty.
Children everywhere, embraced and lifted and sitting on women’s laps in every possible permutation. And happy, in fact so happy that one forgets who actually desired them in the first place, as the answer is so eloquently slapped in your face: everyone, of course.
On a side note, I also travelled to that grossly understated Latin America of Asia that are the Philippines, and saw exactly the same story. No child unwanted, always a granny or auntie or big sister to take care of them, often in conditions tragically close to abject poverty. If there were so much as two spare cups of rice a day, a child is always welcome.
Now take an imaginary plane and land on one of these stylish, have-it-all first tier countries, like the US or the UK. Where men start worrying about whether they will be able to afford sending their kids to Cambridge or MIT before even jamming that pussy with their white stuff. Where all expectations veer on quality, not quantity.
And, most importantly, where the notion of a nurturing extended family, or even a small community who genuinely cares for its neighbourhood kids and takes a collective responsibility for each step of their physical, emotional and social upbringing, has vanished well beyond the point of no return. Where women and their “living baggage” are left alone to their own devices and meaningful interactions are so few and far between, that a child will have to be lucky to have a single parenting figure for maybe 50% of the time he spends in infancy and pre-puberty. For everything else, there’s daddy’s Mastercard and whatever surrogates it can buy: toys, videogames, mobile phones and dresses.
It’s in this garden of solitude and self-referentiality, that abortion reigns supreme. A child can only be as wanted as those around them are prepared to want, desire, care for them with love, respect, responsibility and tenderness. But in order to nurture such feelings and project them to the soon-to-be-born, the prospective parents must have felt them themselves first, and held them dear even when they are little more than echoes from their childhood.
Which is why I am so worried about this kind of disintegrated society, where everyone lives for themselves and only for themselves. Where narcissism and individualism are easily dismissed as “male pride” or “alphaness”, when they are in fact the outright abortion of a man’s foremost biological role, that of father and protector.
A society that chooses to abort the most basic feelings of solidarity, empathy, and love towards their fellow human beings has already put a big red “unwanted” stamp on their offspring, whether it’s healthy pre-teens playing PS3 games downstairs, or lifeless lumps of tissue curled up in a clinic waste bin.
To me, the question is not on whether to convince a college girlfriend to abort, and how to best bamboozle her into doing so. It’s all about whether both “hot stuff” mommy and PUA daddy will ever be able to desire, love and care for someone who is not themselves.
It Takes A Village. Yes, sounds corny, but it does. Its not natural to two people to raise a child. Anyone who has traveled in Africa or Middle East knows that it takes an entire neighborhood to raise a child. In fact, the community has a STAKE in your marriage. Your landlord checks up on you to see if things are ok with you, and the landlady chastises your wife for giving you a hard time. And YOU have a stake in your neighbor’s marriage as well, taking him out for a drink or tea to let off steam while his wife “cools it.” In Morocco, Syria, Mauritania, Senegal, Ghana you are not alone in this. It can get annoying yes, sometimes, everyone up in your business, but it saves you from yourself too. In New York City or London, you and your wife are on your OWN. Your own siblings don’t give a shit about you, let alone visit. So why bother having a child with someone in this culture? Unless anyone of you reading this has spent time traveling and living in the “third world”, you will not have a clue as to what I am writing about.
Well said. Virtually all second and third world countries still hold the incredible “social wealth” of family and community cohesion. Too bad the drift towards soulless capitalism and metropolitan lifestyle is inescapable, and 50 years from now we might no longer expect a Turkish old man to invite us for tea in the cloister in front of his house, or even the smiling and caring (if not a little nosy) neighbour.
Is this a joke? Why would someone ever condone something like this? If you made a stupid mistake, it’s time to be a man and deal with it.
Yesterday, Heartiste posted about cuckhold fetishism. He followed up in the comments saying, “When a man is unknowingly cuckolded, his genes die. Period. Unless he somehow knows he’s been cuckolded and leaves to find another woman who will bear his children. If he welcomes his cuckolding, he’s a headcase who wishes for his meta death.”
Accepting that as true, as I do, then what the hell does that say about the pro-abortion segment of the PUA community?
I guess game and the red pill is truly like a gun: give it to a lunatic and they will eventually use it to remove themselves from the gene pool.
Doesn’t matter, you don’t need a redpill dad to become it yourself, and you don’t need to be a father the give the redpill to who is willing to accept harsh truth.
wut?
I’ll say it simpler : your analogy is bad.
The problem with abortion is it is not more common. Too many poor and undesirables are born every year. All these prolifers next time you or a family member is a victim of crime look into the criminals background odds are he/she is a product of a single mother household. That crime could have been prevented if that child was aborted. http://freakonomics.com/books/freakonomics/chapter-excerpts/chapter-4/
At what price? At what price? Personally, I would accept a hundredfold increase in crime to be rid of the atrocity that is abortion. We don’t execute people for crimes they have not yet and may never commit.
Some of the more recent psychology studies on crime in America suggests changes in crimes rates are due to other factors. So abortion does not reduce crime.
All crimes could be prevented if only all men, women and children were dead. Duh! Progressivism at it’s finest.
The studies freakonomics used have been debunked. It is disproved science.
This article is a disgrace written by a sociopath.
dont worry your demographic is not among the regular readers. this article is valuable for young men put in a difficult situation
True to some extent. I think RoK still has the lifeblood to be a good all-round blog about masculinity and what’s right for the modern man. The last thing they probably want to do is push the bar lower and alienate parts of its audience with controversial topics handled without the right measure of tact and balance.
This is RoK, not GQ.
This would be true, if I hadn’t spotted a certain post by Roosh, asking for financial support. Without a strong audience, this blog might well turn into the stylish lounge of Roosh’s forum. Wouldn’t be much of an improvement.
Why don’t you man up and marry her, boy? That’s right, I called you a boy, because you need to grow up! I’ll call any male who condones this sort of behavior a boy, even if he’s twice my age. A pregnancy isn’t an accident, but rather the intended result of sex. When you have sex, you are trying to make a baby, whether you admit it or not.
Go explain that to feminists and report back, Opie.
Sounds like a good idea, which is why I have no interest in feminists, at least not according to what passes for feminism these days. I’m seeking a devout Catholic woman to be my wife; may God grant me chastity.
But she is not devout to you. Shes a dirty whore who fucks around on you with half the town.
Of course an atheist would say that. You hate Christ, and you hate anyone who is faithful to Christ. Thus, you mock me and slander all of the faithful Catholic women I know, including my mother. Let me assure you that God does exist, and unless you repent, you will remember that post while you’re burning in Hell for all eternity.
What do you think about this:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitulatio_de_partibus_Saxoniae
Do you think those who killed people for refusing to convert will also “Suffer in hell”?
And this:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Verden
Do you think Charlemagne is in hell now?
I am not Charlemagne’s judge, so I decline to rule on the status of his soul. God knows, and He is just.
You just said above that a poster will go to hell for what he wrote but you give “No Comment” on a massacre of at least 4000 people who didn’t want to become Christians. Do you think it was wrong killing those people in the Verden forest?
Because I know you are in a state of mortal sin because you are an atheist and a slanderer, but I do not know that Charlemagne died in a state of mortal sin.
How old are you exactly, Opie?
I never said I was an athiest, how am I a slanderer? Also you didn’t answer. Was it wrong to kill those people in the Verden forest?
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Your user name says you’re an atheist, and you slandered all my female Catholic friends by calling them whores.
My name is guest not athiest you tard. That is a different person. Your inability to read and your deflection on the Verden massacre is telling
Egads, and you’re still bloviating about pre-rational mythic deity worship? So tell me Opie, what happens if you marry a catholic woman and as your wife she decides to become an atheist? What would you do?
I do not know. I do know that I would be obligated to hold fast to my faith and ensure our children are raised in the faith. If she becomes hostile to the faith to the point of attacking the faith of our children, I would have to leave her and sue for custody, and I would have to remain single until either we reconcile or she dies.
Your user name says, “god doesnt exist” (sic).
My user name is “Guest” can you read?
I can read, and your user name is appearing on my screen as “god doesnt exist.”
Wouldn’t leaving her imply breaking your vow before God? Wouldn’t it upset God that you would attempt to deny your children a mother over difference of opinion?
It’s not a difference of opinion to protect their souls from scandal. When one parent is presenting a danger to the child’s soul, the other parent has a duty to separate and take the child out of that environment. Note: If you are both baptized, this does NOT dissolve the marriage. You are still married and bound to each other until death do you part.
So God will burn me in hell if we have a difference of opinion? Is god a woman, by any chance?
Got news for you, Opie. The courts would award her custody, because 1) she’s got a vajay, and 2) you’re a fundy and the courts are becoming increasingly secular.
If even there’s a slight chance she would get awarded full custody, thus imperiling your children’s souls under the weight of her sin, wouldn’t it be better not to break up the relationship?
I’ll cross that bridge IF I come to it.
Might be a better idea not to marry, Opie. Guys like us are gonna try to make your darling catholic wife a Godless atheist. Your children could end up in hell if the courts grant custody the wrong way.
And I’m going to try to make you a Catholic.
Would you appreciate it if others recruited Catholics to to their team?
Don’t care. I’m going to preach the Gospel as Jesus commanded. How you react to it is your business. Christ has died, Christ is risen, and Christ will come again.
havent even lived 10,000 days and this pillar of faith has ascended
Here I am, from the sky to a manosphere blog.
Andrew, your faith is strong but you’re embarrassing me, the next time I come to earth I’ll bend you over and make you feel my big rod of judgment as a punishment.
Now shut down your computer and pray me.
Check out feminists for life.
lol, do you even lift, brah?
Terrible pic. Horrible size. Look thin. Flimsy. Loose. Don’t keep us all posted on your continued regression with any new progress pics or vid clips. Show us what you don’t got man. Don’t wanna see how freakin’ small, flimsy, thin and loose you can get. Thanks for the demotivation.
First, I’m the one on the left. Second, that picture is five years old.
Serious question were your parents related? You look like you are the product of inbreeding? You aint got no ALIBI YOU UGLY
Like I said, do you even lift, brah?
Well, better to be ugly on the outside than ugly on the inside.
Or, being ugly on the outside force you to think the inside is more important.
Grow up.
One shouldn’t attempt making a whore into a wife. And who but whores get pregnant outside of marriage?
Interesting remark, so why do you get involved with ‘whores’?
Pregnancy and parenthood should not be used as punishments for having sex. I have NEVER tried to “make a baby.”
Why in hell would you suggest that someone marry someone just because there is a pregnancy? That is a horrible idea. My parents did that, and it was absolutely awful. My siblings and I wanted them to split up. It wasn’t good for any of us or them.
If your out there “rawdogging” bitches, man, I don’t see how you can complain about the consequences. Keep the jimmyhats on, x-stra tight. Fuck that shit. And with the high technology of super thin, ribbed, studded, glow in the dark, file your taxes rubbers out right now, I never ever understood the logic of banging chicks without hats, be it college campus, Thailand or Dubai. Don’t make no sense! But niqqas be stupid.
— be it college campus, Thailand or Dubai. —
This is exactly what I thought of when I saw that his profile mentions he likes to spend time in “developing” countries. Somehow, I’m pretty sure Cambodia, Thailand, and Costa Rica are pretty high on that list.
How dare he try to think he can manipulate women. I will decide to keep the baby or not but no man is going to convince me otherwise!
I’m gonna make all the killing decisions myself, darnit, PwwrrrrGrrrrl that I am…
It’s just an embryo. Seriously. It doesn’t even care if it’s “killed.”
like people in comas?
Whoever wrote this is a truly contemptible excuse for a man. Utterly despicable.
Lol u mad
What a wonderful, concise rebuttal!
Not this white knight again? Dont you have some armor to shine and a horse to take care of?
Nice try, sweetheart. Now, run along to your sandbox and let the adults talk.
Adults spend their time arguing on a website that is in complete opposition with their ideas?
So true. And he is exactly the kind of man progressively indoctrinated women, in progressive dystopias, swoon over and reward with their pussies…..
This article is disgusting.
They should get the comments up to 666 and then lock the thread. The amount of panty rustling that would cause would be like a earthquake across the Internet.
I’m all for the ability to choose to abort… which is precisely why I have problems with this article. If you guilt or coerce her into aborting, then she is not the one who made the choice. You are. And whether or not she carries the pregnancy to term should never be anybody’s choice but hers. Your girlfriend is your equal, your partner, and supposedly the one you love more than anyone else. She is not some object to be manipulated into doing your bidding. You, bacon, are telling your readers to strip their girlfriends of agency and control over their own bodies with this article. I hope you don’t consider yourself pro-choice in any way.
Who cares if the guy gets wha he wants its a win for the guy. Women are basically holes to stick your dick into. If they no longer serve the goal of being fuck toys and are going to cost you money via child support it is in a mans interest to talk her into an abortion whatever argument he uses.
I feel sorry for the women with whom you’ve had sex.
What if guilting and coercing her is your only choice?
What if the man’s choice is no?
Why does the man’s opinion mean nothing?
Why is a man responsible for getting a girl pregnant buut a woman is not responsible for getting herself pregnant?
What if abortion is actuqlly the ‘grown’ up thing to do?
Why is the man constantly cancelled out of the equation?
A better question: Why are you so insistent that a woman shouldn’t be the final authority on what she does with and what happens to her own body?
Who are you talking to?
“disenfranchised man” … who else would I be talking to?
He didn’t insist anything.
He asked questions.
He didn’t insist anything.
He asked questions.
He didn’t insist anything.
He asked questions.
He didn’t insist anything.
He asked questions.
He didn’t insist anything.
He asked questions.
He didn’t insist anything.
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He didn’t insist anything.
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He didn’t insist anything.
He asked questions.
You can ask questions in an insistent manner.
Because a baby is conceived by two people, so the decision have to be made by both.
The man can sign away his parental rights and not be obligated to provide anything for the child. That is his option if he doesn’t want to be a parent and she doesn’t want an abortion.
I’m totally down with abortion, but I’m not down with manipulating someone into one choice or the other.
Wrong, he can’t unilaterally deny his obligations, if the mother want him to pay child support, she can make a judge force him to do so.
Are you Insane?? If I am manipulated, tricked or coerced, if there is NO THREAT TO MY LIFE, its still my own volition, my own free will!
We can point the finger all day, but the ad hominem arguments are worthless in the end. At issue here is a definition of virility that is, frankly, disgusting. If “being a man” simply means asserting your dominance psychologically, physically, and in every other way, as our poor deluded author implies, then Hitler, Stalin, Saddam Hussein and mafia dons rank as the most manly men of recent history have been equal to respected leaders like Patton, MacArthur, Churchill, Washington, Lincoln, Reagan. If we men are stuck behind the 8 ball when it comes to fewer methods of birth control then suspend the brutality of looking at a baby as a terribly inconvenient variety of ejaculated semen and realize that we owe that child a chance at life, just like our parents owed us at the inconvenient beginning of our existence. Manliness is leading by an example of responsibility and balance. If you think that anyone respects you because you don’t give a shit about others, you’re wrong. That drives people to fear and makes you a monster, not a man.
Lol all those men are moral equals tard
Bravo! Very well said Brandon.
If you don’t want children don’t have sex. That is your choice. Killing your own child is just not moral. How can you not see that?
How many human beings have sex for pleasure?
Should they all have the children they conceive?
How young do teenagers start thinking about sex?
How ‘popular’ is sex?
Is everyone responsible enough to only have sex for a baby?
Are we thinking about fantasyss or realities mary?
I’m going to let you in on a secret: Consent to sex is not consent to pregnancy.
Exactly. And that’s why she should get an abortion.
Unless both parties AGREE on KEEPING the baby, there should be an abortion.
Actually it is–just like pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger is an attack. Just because you wanted the enjoyment of shooting at someone without the actual ramifications of a bullet wound doesn’t mean you can kill the victim to avoid those ramifications.
That’s not a very good comparison. A better one would be, “eating cake is consenting to obesity, so you shouldn’t puke it up when you’re done.”
So if she wants the baby and he doesn’t he should get an abortion? You are just as demented as bacon.
What? No, she should be free to make the choice, she should merely own the responsibility for her choice. If women want 100% of the choice, they must own 100% of the responsibility.
Of course the average Western woman is so completely devoid of moral character that she feels it’s only fair to have 100% of the choice and then call men boys for not “manning up” and taking responsibility for her choice.
No tard, he means the man shouldn’t have to pay if it’s the woman’s choice to have it.
Personal responsibility please.
Most of the population.
Definitely not.
11 or so.
VERY. and early too.
definitely not.
Fantasies.
God made it take 9 months so that there is ample time to get an abortion.
Pretty much an article saying “let’s just kill babies cause we don’t want to deal with them” Nice…
Not babies… embryos. Non-sentient, non-feeling embryos. Even the embryos don’t care what happen to them.
Rainbow, a embryo / fetus are babies. Your use of language is perversely cynical. If a family member announced to you in light that was pregnant would you ask when the foetus/neonate due?
Watch the Silent Scream and then tell me that embryos don’t feel and don’t care what happens to them.
Watch the Silent Scream and then tell me that embryos don’t feel and don’t care what happens to them.
And your authority to make this supposition is…??? It’s easy to be cavalier when they aren’t your limbs being torn from your body or scalded in saline.
Hey pig- I mean bacon- I’m flabbergasted that you managed to impregnate anyone. You must be really scraping around the bottom of the barrel for women. Any that would sleep with you must have been sufficiently compromised or drunk to mistake you for a man.
“bacon is a libertarian that enjoys spending his time in developing countries”
I believe this explains that….
You ought to see his other article on getting a girl drunk. He is truly pathetic!
A+ article. Would read again. That article alone has helped me bang many young, nubile girls. It’s the first thing I read once I wake up, and the last thing I read before I go to bed. Magnificent!
Susan, come over to my place and I can show you my drink making skills. I can make you a cosmo, or a pisco sour if you like, and then after that we can proceed to fuck. Once we’re done, I can use your face as tissue paper as I wipe my cum all over your face. What say you?
I say, go screw yourself, you pathetic waste of space, skin, and oxygen!!
How many nice seafood dinners would it take to turn you into a bedroom acrobat in my house for years to come?
Are you that pathetic that you need to find your sex partners online?
I have relatives from not so far back that were namibian tribesman. They happen to have fought lions just to become warriors. I don’t know what you know about lions but they aren’t like your average cat. I bet you would absolutely shit yourself if you ever saw a real life lion… especially if you were only holding a sharpened stick and you were naked. Come talk to me when some of your family members have gone on the zambutu bibjano; aka the trial of life. Until you have done half the shit that they have maybe you shouldn’t even talk to me like this. I know you think you’re hard and shit, but guess what pal, you aren’t. Now go grow some namibian genes and we’ll talk about this shit for real.
Vile vile troll,
Funny how an article on how to get a girl to have an abortion has devolved into a run-of-the-mill abortion debate. Fucking idiots.
How is it worse to abort an embryo than to provide a horrible life for a child? An embryo has absolutely no sentience and doesn’t care if it’s aborted or not.
I would have preferred if my parents aborted me. You can’t assume that all children would rather be abused and neglected than aborted as non-sentient embryos.
BS. How do you measure a ‘horrible’ life? Plenty of unexpected children have wonderful lives. Why should a parent get to decide when its not their life.
Hey Sunshine, where do you live? Death threats, even what you think are legal ones, are not advised. You are a candidate for natural selection. What goes around comes around.
If you aren’t ready to be a parent there is a 100% effective way to not have a baby…ABSTINENCE what a low life. God have mercy on you and stupid people like you
How to convince a man to go to go straight to hell and to be a spineless coward. Nice one.
Man the harpoons!
Ira,
Are you a baby murderer or a supporter of baby murderers?
Does it count as murder if I ejaculate inside a woman’s mouth and watch her swallow?
I pray that God will heal your disgusting, perverted mind.
You can’t see how ugly Satan is making you, but I promise you, if you call on Christ, he will wipe away your sins, no matter how disgusting and vile!
I used to be a secularist and I thought disgusting thoughts all day like you do, I still struggle with it. The only remedy is praying to Christ.
A weight related joke. How wise and creative.
If you or anybody you know is haunted and suffering due to post-abortion grief and the aftermath of abortion, please know there is help. Check out: http://hopeafterabortion.com/
One of the most disgusting, sad articles I’ve read. Couldn’t make it through to the end.
That’s cuz you’re a bitch
“bacon”,
God save your soul from eternal damnation!
(You may be so miserable that you don’t think you fear that eventuality, but God still loves you and you still have a chance to save your soul and avoid a misery so tortuous you’ll beg the angels for mercy and plead with them to warn your loved ones back among the living not to repeat your fate.)
This is disgusting! Shame on you! You are no man, you are an animal! If you don’t want an unwanted pregnancy, here’s a thought, DON’T HAVE SEX! So many problems we have today is because of people like you. You do what you want, consequences be damned and your refusal to accept the responsibility of YOUR actions. Real men conduct themselves with respect for themselves as well as for others. They work hard to take care of their responsibilities and and care for their loved ones. They are gentlemen, who help little old ladies carry their groceries, give up their seats for a lady, open doors for women with choldren, etc. They also are the men who love and raise children of absentee fathers, and treating them as their own! You “Bacon” should be getting on your knees, thanking God that a woman would even give you the time of day, let alone sleep with you! You and others like you, are the reason I’m teaching my daughters to never cast their pearls before swine! Because that’s exactly what you are, a PIG! Shame on you!
“Real men”= Whiteknight to you then
There is a potential consequence to any action. Is sex about pleasure? Yes, it can be. But they’re not called reproductive organs for nothing. We know that contraceptives are not 100% effective, so we know there is ALWAYS a chance, however large or small it may be, that pregnancy could occur. An man understands that actions have consequences, and you must be man enough to accept the consequences if you want the action. Anything otherwise simply exposes you for what you really are: a boy unwilling to grow up, wanting nothing but selfish pleasure.
Shut up bitch
Why should she shut up? Is it because you know that she is right and you don’t want to start agreeing with her?
Na it was to expose the hypocrisy of her name calling
I’m pretty sure you’re the only one who is name calling. Unless you’re referring to my stating the difference between a man and a boy? Did that strike a cord with you?
Your husband gets no respect from me cuz he bangs ugly chicks
Women are prohibited from commenting here per the about page. Why do you transgress and invade other’s space?
Case and point.
Case and point.
Ya know… I’m pro choice… but this article gives men in general a really bad name. You should be ashamed of yourself, one for being a complete and utter tool bag whose moral compass is so beyond fucked up I’m amazed you can find your way out of bed in the morning. Two, because some other tool out there will listen to your douchey advice.
Ladies and gents I don’t have to live with the consequences of your decisions, therefore it is not my, nor anyone else’s right to tell you what you can and can’t do with your bodies and lives. However, do what you will… and everyday think on what you have done such is the price of freedom.
Wonder how many would repost: “I love women so much, I got the cut (to prevent the inconvenience of unplanned pregnancies).” What’s the cost of a vasectomy compared to nearly two decades of headache and cost of child support? With sperm banking, vasectomy reversals and sperm extraction, for men who only want one or two children, doesn’t the benefit of a vasectomy fully outweigh the cost and temporary mild discomfort? http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/birth-control/vasectomy-4249.htm
Vasectomies eliminate a vital source of testosterone in men. Men already have to deal with the onset of mild andropause after the age of 27, vasectomies speed up and facilitate the process, in addition to increasing estrogen. Vasectomies turns us into bitches. Fuck that. Just wear a condom and avoid skanks.
Interesting. Here’s a medical perspective: “Unfounded concerns:
Many men worry that a vasectomy could cause serious problems — but these fears are unfounded. For example, a vasectomy won’t affect your sexual performance. A vasectomy won’t affect your sex drive or your masculinity in any way other than preventing you from fathering a child.” http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/vasectomy/MY00483/DSECTION=risks
An interesting perspective from the Mayo Clinic:
“Many men worry that a vasectomy could cause serious problems — but these fears are unfounded. For example, a vasectomy won’t:
Affect your sexual performance. A vasectomy won’t affect your sex drive or your masculinity in any way other than preventing you from fathering a child.”
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/vasectomy/MY00483/DSECTION=risks
wow you have had two girlfriends, I mean booty calls? I am amazed anyone got close enough to you to see you let alone have sex with you!
Someone is jealous bacon is getting that sweet ass and they are not
Clearly, you’re a terrible person, but really you’re no worse than your pro ‘choice’ female counterparts who advocate the right to snuff out unborn children for selfish purposes.
Women from North America are BROKEN, it makes perfect sense to NOT have children with them. They are insane, selfish, crazy, slobs who take PRIDE in the fact that they cannot cook, clean, budget, or be proper decent mothers. Shaming men is a national pastime, from Toronto to Miami. HOWEVER, once you leave North America, you begin to meet and see REAL WOMEN worth having and raising children with. Women in Africa, Middle East, Balkans, Asia, and maybe some parts of Latin America (but that region is quickly deteriorating). THESE are the women that you STEP UP AND BE A MAN for, not the female garbage in the United States and Canada.
You are a narcissistic spineless excuse for a man
Just get a vasectomy and cut out all that worry and risk. Duh.
Or, or or or! Here’s a crazy one: Discuss that shit beforehand. You’d be surprised at the number of women out there who are anti-reproduction. The number of women who worry in the back of their minds that you may try to force them to carry an unwanted pregnancy to term. It’s a match made in anti-reproduction heaven! 😀 search CHILDFREE (and ask them if they are seriously childfree, or if they are fencesitters) on dating sites to find women who won’t stick you with unwanted babies, women who are expecting you to not try to convince them to be the mother to your criblizards.
Well, well, well. Aren’t WE pro-choice?
Nearly half of pregnancies among American women are unintended, and about four in 10 of these are terminated by abortion.
Stop
pointing fingers at people like Ward. He’s just a man brave enough to
speak his mind about his own situation/opinion. BUT, remember in the end
the MAN NEVER makes the decision to have the abortion or not, WOMEN do!
THAT’S
RIGHT. Women always want more power, more equality, more this, more
that. Well women in this matter have ALL the power on whether they keep
the child or not. That’s not to say that the man doesn’t play a role in
manipulating the woman into going through with it or not, but it’s
disgusting how women can place all the blame on men, men, men, men, men.
Women always say, “Man up, be a real man, etc”
Well I say the same to you, “Woman the fuck up!”
You
want to have the child, then have the child. Women are nurturing human
beings that in most cases feel a certain type of love for the little
person growing inside of them. WOMEN have a bond with a child/fetus that
NO MAN will ever understand, that’s right men will never understand
that feeling of a baby growing inside of them, hence why decisions like
these are more or less logically based from a man’s perspective.
I’m
a man and I know for myself that I leave that decision up to the woman.
She may ask my opinion, but my opinion doesn’t matter at this point.
I’m not the one with a living soul growing inside of me, the woman is. I
don’t know what it’s like to have a baby kick me in my insides. I don’t
go threw a hormonal change because I’m now feeding two people instead
of one, I just don’t know and will NEVER know.
I love women, but
this is a topic that has been played out. It’s fucked up how women argue
this topic all day long; pro-abortion, anti-abortion and then still
point the finger to MEN… That is insanity!
Both parties par took in the act. A man has only two choices. Stick by the woman’s side if she has it or run a way (coward).
Fight
or Flight. That’s it. Now the decision the man makes is entirely up to
him and his moral values, but I’ll be damned if a woman ever places the
blame on me for HER deciding to have an abortion.
It’s like all
the books say about becoming successful or achieving things in your life
or what ever it may be. Before you ever get to be a millionaire, a
celebrity, and all-star athlete you made the decision in your mind
already you wanted to be that and that’s why you were able to attain the
reality. Women whether threatened by the man leaving or not, your mind
and your mind only rationalizes the decision over and over and over and
over. You think about it 100 million times over, you think about how
it’s going to make you feel after words, you think about the potential
father maybe leaving you, you think about potentially having to raise
the child by yourself, you think about the father actually being a good
dad, you think about maybe this is a good thing, you think about how
this will make you stronger as a woman, you fucking THINK.
So for
all the women who come on here talking this non-sense and trying to
chastise this guy Ward need to look at the women in the mirror. This
type of moment is a defining moment of what type of WOMAN you are not
the other way around.
I say all this because I’ve been in this
situation. I understand what this shit feels like. You know damn well I
felt like shit when I found out I got a girl pregnant, but I was more
than willing to be a part of the child’s life if she chose to have the
kid, she knew this as well. She ultimately decided not to have the baby,
because of reasons of her own THINKING and like another poster has
written, till this day I fucking think about what it would of been like
to have that unborn kid, part of me wanted her to just have it, a part
didn’t, neither thought was right or wrong, they were just that
thoughts.
I think the entire premise behind the article itself is
pure stupidity, but the pointing finger childish banter that is going
on in the discussion is a beast in it self.
How about YOU and her take some freaking responisiblity you imbecilic sperm donor?
This behavior is not only disgraceful but it is illegal. It’s called coercion and is a form of forced abortion. But I suppose anyone with complete disregard for human life and human dignity would also have complete disregard for the law.
Your going to have to cite that statute. Your also implying women can’t think for themselves.
dont quit your day job justice your are no lawyer or even remotely knowledgable about the law.
My girlfriend just told me she was pregnant this week so I did a google search and this article came up. I will be using the hail mary method tonight after I take her out for dinner. Thanks for the advice bacon.
Report in if you are successful.
It worked! Thanks for your support guys. I used the hail mary and she just had the abortion yesterday! I am going to be dumping her either tonight or tomorrow the next time I see her. I thought it was too cruel to dump her on the way out of the clinic but a day or two later should be just right.
Not as cruel as killing your kid
I hope she has also seen this article and knows what you are up to, and tells you to go straight to Hell!
You should spread this site as widely as you can so more women can be aware of what some men do to counter their schemes.
I don’t know about you but before any medical procedure whether surgical or medical, I go online and do a fair bit of research. I’ve learned through out the years that doctors do not know everything and sometimes they will even advice for dangerous procedures which are not necessary. A couple of years ago I was advised to have a major operation, after some online research I choose an alternate way to deal with my medical problem. For years later, there’s still no cancer and I’m more healthy than I was. Following the norm is not always the right choice.
So do yourself a favour and research the topic a bit before going ahead with the abortion. An abortion is a medical procedure that can be very dangerous for the woman, even in the early stage of the pregnancy. And then of course, there’s the baby, your child. Are you really ready to give up on him? I’m sure that you are a manly kind of man, if that’s true then watch the following or other videos that show the truth about abortion before you make up your mind and decide the fate of your son or daughter.
http://pro-lifetube.com/videos/583/the-most-shocking-%28graphic-imagery%29,-four-minute,-abortion-debate-yo
“If an ultrasound finds that the child has a developmental problem like autism, many couples choose to abort.”
Autism is not detectable on an ultrasound. If it were, my husband and I would have found out before birth that our child had it. (And we still would have continued with the pregnancy.)
I’m married now, but when I wasn’t, I never got a girl pregnant, despite being with many of them. Protection and covering yourself always comes first.
If I did get a girl pregnant, this would be a very valid solution. Any guy that I know that “woopsied” and got a girl pregnant ended up getting taken to the cleaners with child support….and then was unable to even see their child, with the mother brainwashing the child against their father.
Because of the current political climate, the laws against men, and rampant misandry in the media, abortion should be the only option in this scenario.
“Bacon” comes across as quite a NOB (narcissistic obtuse bonehead).
No one has ever heard that term NOB and the reason no one has heard of it is because its fucking gay.
Just so you know, it’s impossible for you to become a parent against your will. In case you missed it in biology class: SEX MAKES BABIES. If you’re not ready for children, than don’t have sex, it’s really that simple.
Rather a piece of human trash, aren’t you Bacon.
What a real piece of garbage you are pig, I mean bacon.
Disgusting! REAL MEN STAND BY THEIR GIRL AND THEIR CHILD.
What is a “Real man”? And while your at it, what is a “Real woman”?
I absolutely agree. This is a disgusting piece of work. It encourages men to run from reality at all costs.
Actually it engages the reality of avoiding onerous child support payments
and just attempts to run away from them. The most selfish responsive possible.
When society doesn’t care for men, they should look out for themselves
Those who live by the sword die by the sword. Living by such an extreme ‘me first’ principle will result in a lonely isolating end.
You should broaden your horizons instead of just harping on an old book
Don’t worry I have experienced far more joys in life by living for others then you possibly could have enjoyed living for yourself.
Sure you have
fergalf, guest is at least a borderline sociopath. You can’t argue with evil.
Wonderful article.
I will print this article out and fold it up to carry it in my wallet just in case I need to reference it at a future date.
Good work, bacon.
Wow! You’re Barry the Butcher’s new Family Planning Czar, aren’t you. Don’t be shy!
It seems a shame that your father didn’t have the benefit of this article Bacon.
lulz, another anti-abortionist who laments that Bacon himself wasn’t aborted. Hypocrite/10, NoPrinciple/10. It’s like the religious right is filled with Mark Minters.
No. Just being honest.
I should become a member of the religious right. Must be nice knowing that it’s okay to be a hypocrite and be devoid of any logic. Where do i sign up, brah?
Dear holier-than-thou,
Dave is not proposing Bacon’s actual abortion. He is just suggesting the author thinks his logic through by mentally reversing roles.
Are you aware that there aren’t enough words in the English language – hell, the entire lexicon of languages the world over – to describe how incredibly wrong this is. Not only is it wrong in that it is ignorant, but in that it is so incredibly incorrect on a factual level. Holy fucking God, how stupid can a human being get? In my life I’ve encountered people who have been unintelligent, yes – I’ve encountered my share of people who suffered from mental disabilities. People with downs syndrome, autism, and so on. However, I have never encountered someone so stupid as to be capable of thinking something so unbelievably off-base. I didn’t even think it possible that anyone in our plain of existence could ever even have the capacity for this level of idiocy. However, the details of my life are quite inconsequential… but very well, where do I begin? My father was a relentlessly self-improving boulangerie owner from Belgium with low grade narcolepsy and a penchant for buggery. My mother was a fifteen year old French prostitute named Chloe with webbed feet. My father would womanize, he would drink. He would make outrageous claims like he invented the question mark. Sometimes he would accuse chestnuts of being lazy. The sort of general malaise that only the genius possess and the insane lament. My childhood was typical. Summers in Rangoon, luge lessons. In the spring we’d make meat helmets. When I was insolent I was placed in a burlap bag and beaten with reeds – pretty standard really. At the age of twelve I received my first scribe. At the age of fourteen a Zoroastrian named Vilma ritualistically shaved my testicles. There really is nothing like a shorn scrotum… it’s breathtaking – I highly suggest you try it.
It’s called “irony” pinhead, look it up.
You liberal assholes will jump to the defense of any baby killing POS that comes down the pipe. You are a waste of my time.
Thanks for the article. I used the “hail mary” method and it worked. I dumped her Friday and am debating getting a new phone number or finding some way to block her cuz she is going crazy.
can’t blame her. You victimized both her and your child.
This article reeks of the sewer of our society. But then again, if you have to use a pseudonym like “Bacon”, then you’re probably not man enough to actually speak your mind with a real name and where others can see you. I expect the author of this article probably sits in his parents’ basement covered in potato chip grease and rattles away at his keyboard between inhaler puffs. I checked out some of his other articles, and to be quite honest, it’s pretty obvious this man doesn’t actually spend much time around women unless they charge by the hour.
We should treat this article for what it is, sewer fodder.
What do you think of the other authors and articles here?
The Christian conservatives that are outraged by this article need to understand that abortion is legal in this country. A case could be made against late-term abortions (3rd trimester abortions), but otherwise abortion should be legal. In fact, I would prefer for abortion to be paid for by the state like it is in many European nations (aka civilized countries).
If a couple gets pregnant, they should discuss all options. This includes abortion. There is absolutely nothing wrong with trying to convince a woman to get an abortion if the time isn’t right (i.e., you are not married). If the couple can’t afford to raise the child or if they don’t plan to stay together or if the woman got pregnant accidentally from a one-night stand, then abortion should be discussed and possibly even encouraged.
Bacon’s article was a bit tongue-and-cheek, but I think a more refined version of this article should be written and distributed to high school and college students. It is necessary to give people a full range of options when dealing with their reproductive rights.
So in your world, adoption does not exist, right?
Adoption exists, but it is not a substitute for abortion.
Sad excuse for a man
If you don’t want to have a baby then keep it in your pants until you’re married!
But busting that nut raw dog is so nice
bacon you are my personal fucking jesus christ! You are spreading the gospel to the flock of dudes trapped in a bad situation
Too bad bacon’s mom wasn’t convinced of one back then
So your against abortion but are ok with it for bacons mom?
I dont get you religious types at all.
This website continuously harps about the end of the West and the end of manhood by batshit misogynist c*nts – then it gives its readers tips on how to murder their own children!
So this is what it has come to! How will we have the Return of Kings if we act just like the misogynist c*nts we scream about?
What kind of alpha male seeks to murder his own seed? I can understand wanting to murder your own brood because they are disabled or sick and hence wanting to abort – I said I understand, not that its a good or morally right thing to do.
But just wanting her to get an abortion because you can’t be bothered taking responsibility? This is what a man is supposed to be like!
Oh and blowjobs can’t be cannibalism, you science-retarted dunderheads – an embryo is a growing individual with its own unique DNA. Sperm and eggs aren’t!
Your use of the word misogynist gives you away as not being from here
If the law didn’t require child support the alpha males would have no interest in abortion at all. They would just impregnate as many women as possible and then just walk away – just like Tom Cats do in the wild.
Well, we’re not Tom Cats or cats! We’re human beings and I would think the idea of wanting to provide some kind of support to your own children is never a bad idea …
You’re just as sick and selfish as the women you despise. Finally, a match made in heaven for these deranged feminists.
lol-since you deleted my comment which was the first one after you posted (or there are too many comments and I didn’t find it) this I’ll say it again…this is just stupid. Birth control by both parties is the way to go…it’s not just the woman’s responsibility. If you don’t want marriage and kids men, then get snipped. Be a MAN. Take responsibility.
Bacon, I read that you enjoy spending time in other countries…Syria would be a GREAT vacation for you. Better hurry though, there’s no time to waste!
What’s worse than sin? Leading others into it. Posting this article makes you partly responsible for the many who follow your advice. That includes blatant deception, cruelty to women, and total renouncement of responsibility.
In one of his other articles, the author of this article (“Bacon”) admits to committing much the same type of crime as in the recent Steubenville rape case, the Rehtaeh Parsons case, and other such cases of date rape : he gets women drunk and then “takes advantage” of them while they are impaired. Under U.S. law (or any other law), this is the definition of date rape, which is why the Steubenville case resulted in two convictions. The FBI would undoubtedly consider “Bacon” to be a serial rapist.
Whiteknight detected
Thanks for the legal analysis, counselor.
Bacon doesn’t force women to drink, nor does he force them to consent to sex.
Next time, think before you judge.
He admits he tricks “non-drinkers” into getting drunk by telling them their drink contains no alcohol when in fact it contains a lot of rum, with the taste of the alcohol concealed by mixing it with other strong-tasting liquids so that they “lower their guard” and drink it quickly. He boasts that this gets them extremely drunk because they don’t realize what’s in the drink. So yes, he is definitely tricking them into drinking alcohol without their knowledge. And if he has sex with women whose minds are impaired, they cannot grant meaningful consent, hence he is most definitely committing date rape as the term is defined by law.
No he didnt. I read that article the one drink just makes non drinkers not be able to taste alcohol. Which by the way is pineapple juice and malibu rum I used it on an Asian girl from Japan who didnt like the taste of most alcohol she got nicely fucked up let her guard down and SNL. Oh and its true what they say asian girls are tight as hell!
Having sex with someone who is that drunk is legally defined as rape in the law codes of most countries. In some countries (e.g. Canada), any sex with an intoxicated woman is rape. So you just admitted to being a rapist, you piece of filth.
And yes so did Bacon, for the same reasons.
Why do you insist on treating adult women like children? A woman can consent to drinking, getting intoxicated and then having sex. They do it all the time. Canada is a little bitch of a country and using it as an outlyer is not relevant to the US or most of the world.
That’s an absurd evasion of the issue. If ANYONE’s mind is impaired, they cannot grant meaningful consent. U.S. law is based on a similar principle, which is why the recent Rehtaeh Parsons case is considered rape: she was heavily intoxicated. When you gloatingly talk about having sex with a woman who “let her guard down” after her mind became impaired, that certainly doesn’t sound like “consent” any more than the Rehtaeh Parsons case. I think any judge (including in the U.S.) would view that as the textbook definition of date rape, in fact most judges would probably view it as predatory.
BTW, when a woman says that she doesn’t like the taste of alcohol, it generally means that she doesn’t want to drink at all, period. It’s not an invitation to get her drunk with a high-alcohol drink that hides the taste so she can’t guess how much alcohol it contains.
You raped her you creep!
Natural Born Asshole, I am going to ask you the same thing I asked 2Wycked. Can you explain to me what a date rape is? Because maybe I don’t understand the law. I always thought that it was getting a girl drunk or drugged without her consent or knowledge so that you can then have sex with her again without having to worry about her consenting to sex or not. Am I wrong? Please explain it to me….
Really, rape is about whether the law says it was rape, not about whether a woman consents?
This is curious, if the law says that women can’t consent to sex outside marriage, is it rape if a man has sex with his girlfriend?
You must not have much experience with heterosexuality, as women often become very sexual with men they are attracted when drunk.
Not all men are predators and not all women are victims. Turn off the computer and go live in the real world. You will find it bears little resemblance to the violent world that exists in your head.
As usual, you have confessed to having violent fantasies in your head that probably involve rape.
As always, be careful what you say because you will cop to your psychological issues to the perceptive.
You absurdly claimed that I allegedly “confessed to having violent fantasies in your head that probably involve rape”, which is nonsense. I never said anything of the sort, as you know perfectly well. The rest of your post was just as nonsensical.
As for the law: the legal definition of rape certainly does take consent into account, as you also know perfectly well. But when someone tricks a woman into getting extremely drunk against her will and then gloats about taking advantage of the woman when she’s too impaired to think straight, that is certainly not “consent”, by the legal or any common sense definition of the term.
2Wycked, can you explain to me what a date rape is? Because maybe I don’t understand the law. I always thought that it was getting a girl drunk or drugged without her consent or knowledge so that you can then have sex with her again without having to worry about her consenting to sex or not. Am I wrong? Please explain it to me….
Class would be over if you had answered my question, which you did not. I am not talking about women who willingly drink before having sex with strangers. I am talking about giving alcohol or drugs to someone without their knowledge or consent. In Bacon’s own words he says that one “would not detect the slightest tinge of booze in this cocktail” and “this cocktail is in many ways the equivalent to spiking a girl’s drink with roofies”.
And just so that you know I happen to agree with you about woman’s sexuality, women generally have a lot of say, sometimes even more than men in matter of sexual pursuit. You are right “women (do) hit on men and escalate sexual relations very often when they are drunk”. To me a woman who willingly goes out to drink and then has sex, cannot claim that it was rape unless she says a definite “no” to the guy before the act. She cannot claim to not having been able to give meaningful consent.
But when you give someone an alcoholic drink disguised as a soft drink in order “to let you take advantage of her in ways her sober self might execute self-restraint”, to me that is wrong, that is date rape.
AQ111 you should like a bitter dork who hates on any guy who does anything you consider even slightly morally wrong. I am also going to go out on a limb at say you are either a virgin or do very poorly with women.
I’ve noticed that rapists always make that type of juvenile claim against any law-abiding citizen who opposes rape.
Bacon is clearly just some fat guy hidden behind his computer (bacon = porky; get it?) whose frustrated at the amount of times he’s been turned down and needs to vent his frustrations out somewhere. A deep-rooted pain he’s held since realizing he’ll never have kids as no woman would touch his ugly porky self so he conjured up some revenge scenarios in his head – hence the article.
‘Two abortions I’ve paid for.’ Lies. Porky needs to get off his fat backside and try and find some love in the world, that’s the only way to end trash articles like this.
Rustled Jimmies detected
Since you only show your eye in your avatar you must be really really fat. I think you are just projecting your lack of male attention at bacon by harping on the fact that no woman will love him. Also eating bacon is a low carb food. If he went by pizza or ice cream yea maybe he is a fatty but you cant make the assertion that eating bacon causes one to be fat.
Looool – only an obese pig similar to Bacon would be offended by my comment. Clearly the comment has incurred the wrath of the ‘macho’ chubber club who lurk around this parasitic site. Sorry, your comments are way off. I’m not fat or even lack ‘male attention’ (most of it unwanted) but even if I were obese like yourself, what does this have to do with Bacon being porky? Bacon (the meat) can be a very unhealthy food when taken in excess like Porky here, a bit like this unhealthy (in mind and body) man. At no point did I say that bacon makes one fat, fool, I said bacon = porky referring to the link between words. Calling himself ‘Bacon’ is a clear indicator that he is ‘Porky’, a well-known term for a chubber. Hope your mindless moronic self understands this now that I’ve taken the time to bother giving you an explanation. Sits online all day spreading tripe with his sausage fingers because he can’t exist socially in the real world. A flubbery geek who spews crap on the net to his fellow reject human beings who are similarly disgruntled by the crappy hand that life dealt them. Get over it.
ok show me what you look like? I would bet my life you are have a BMI of at least 30. BTW at least I am on a site that fits my demographic (young male). You are clearly wasting your time reading articles not for you or your demographic which speaks to how you spend your free time. FATASS
I knew it. The typical slimy method of male online obesity – try and get pictures out of a girl that wouldn’t look twice at you in real life as it’s the closest you’ll ever get to a female. And that’s not me being big-headed or anything – I’ve got no problem with fat guys, only ones with ugly personalities like you and Bacon; they are unattractive by default. Perhaps you should stop bleating on about your weight (a very obvious insecurity of yours) and go out for a jog or something. And by ‘young male’, I think you mean ‘young male loser.’ Only a young male loser (and his older counterpart) could possibly agree with the crap this site spews out. Enjoy being a loser in life – and a tubby one at that.
Great article. I hadn’t thought of the second or third. I was with a girl for a bit and laid my foundations for the first should it ever happen.
Women are ruthless if you give them the chance. Don’t give them that chance. Craiglist is full of the same heartbleeds and white knights in the commments section below, all of them looking for divorce lawyers hoping to get custody of their kids or get out of child support.
A bad conscience after is better than having to explain to your future girlfriend/wife where 30% of your salary is going.
Are you planning to explain to your future girlfriend/wife why you used Mafia tactics to force a previous girlfriend to kill her child against her will? Or are you planning to hide that from any woman who might mistakenly get involved with you?
Mafia tactics?
To answer your question, no I wouldn’t tell her. That would be stupid.
Thats like confessing you killed someone, when they can’t find the body.
So your relationship strategy consists of hoping that no one finds out what you’re actually like?
people like comp can’t hide their true selves forever, AW
What I’ve done and what I’m like are two seperate things.
You’re implying I do this several times a month. If I did I would have far greater worries than what my relationship strategy is, like for example, being a fucking moron.
That being said, if you think that any woman will afford you the whole truth, you are the moron.
The statement in your first paragraph is a bit like saying that if you rob a bank only once (or only once in awhile), you shouldn’t be characterized as a bank robber.
Since we’re talking about convincing people to mutilate part of their body why don’t we just take the better step and convince the douchebag father to hang himself? Seems the most logical to me!
Material equivalence:
Men opt out of conception via abstinence, successful contraception, etc.
Women opt out of conception via abstinence, successful contraception, etc.
If a man and a woman have sex without a condom, they are both tacitly consenting to a possible conception. That is, they both know what could happen, but they are two consenting people, acknowledging that risk and accepting responsibility for that risk. Should conception occur however, an interesting thing happens:
False equivalence:
Women may opt out of a pregnancy via abortion.
Men may opt out of a pregnancy via..?
Upon successful conception, the woman retains all reproductive rights and responsibilities, and the man retains all reproductive responsibilities, but no rights. Should the woman decide that she no longer desires the pregnancy, she can terminate it, with or without the male’s approval (this is law). If the woman decides that she will have the child, the man will be compelled to financially support that child, whether he wants to or not (this is also law). So although the two of them agreed about having unprotected sex, even if they disagree about what happens after, there is no opting out for the man.
There is no equivalence between a woman’s option of aborting a pregnancy and a man’s option of avoiding conception via abstinence or contraception. The only legal way to end a pregnancy before it comes to term is with an abortion, and the only person given any say in whether an abortion occurs is the woman. There is no way for a man to abdicate his paternal (read: financial) obligations. Until there is, there will be no equivalence in reproductive rights. While men who wish to be fathers even when the woman does not wish to carry the child to term would still be unable to find satisfaction, at least men who did not wish to be fathers would have the legal right to choose. Still, until this lack of equality is legally addressed, articles like this will continue to appear. And should.
TL;DR: The responsibility for conception is shared, but the right to terminate any resulting pregnancy is only available to one of the participants, while the other remains responsible regardless of his feelings in the matter. This article exists to address this inequity.
The other way to correct the inequality is to prevent women from killing their babies.
Sorry, but no one said life is fair. If you cannot work things out with your woman, then you are liable and accountable to help take care of that child. She is not getting off scott free either. It is a shared responsibility, and just because you whine about not having the choice to abort the pregnancy does not lessen your role in being responsible as a parent to that child.
I have already made a few comments in this discussion and I
have read most of the comments. I have realized that when the commentators are
not calling each other names they are discussing the pros and cons of abortion.
This article is not exclusively about abortion; in fact it’s barely about
abortion. This is not even a pro-choice
article because in fact I believe that it will damage the pro-choice stance as
it has nothing to do with and even goes against women’s rights. This article is
all about telling men that it’s OK to be pigs (hence his username), not just OK
but that they should be pigs with absolutely complete disregard for women and
children. For him women are just objects to be used for the pursuit of physical
pleasure. He does not give a damn about them. When someone cares so little
about women it’s not surprising that he will care even less whether a child
lives or dies. Luckily for humanity the majority of men and women do not feel
and act that way. I would suggest that this article needs to go viral, it needs
to be shared on all social media, so as to reduce their playing field. In that
way women will be warned about their coward tactics and their lies, will be
reminded that there are pigs out there, and that they need to be careful in
their choices. There are enough decent men in this world.