If there’s one thing every player knows, it’s that women gravitate to gentleman who are always on their best behavior and mind their manners. Why, just the other day I went to a bar and saw a man accidentally bump into a young woman, and when he said “I’m sorry, Miss, please excuse me” you could just feel the sexual tension in the air. But don’t take my word for it; a recent survey proves women like nice guys with good manners:
The study, which was commissioned and carried out by officials at Scaramouche & Fandango, brought with it some interesting results, the most striking of which was the fact that 61 per cent of females questioned believe that the image of men associated with the 1950s is more favorable than that of the young males of today.
[…] explaining that the main reason behind the results was that men of the 1950s are perceived to have had much better manners than their modern, 21st century counterparts.
Nice guy beta males everywhere, rejoice! You’re way ahead of the pack. But you still have a little manning up to do, because another analysis of this survey showed:
What’s more, although 79 per cent of men surveyed felt that they behaved in a gentlemanly way towards their partners, only 52 per cent of women agreed.
If you’re a nice guy, you may want to pay close attention to those numbers. Try to ratchet up the gentlemanly behavior and close the gap a little. It’s not hard to do, all it takes is a smile and a wallet.
Old-fashioned manners proved overwhelmingly popular among women, with 82 per cent saying they preferred old style chivalry such as holding doors or buying flowers to their modern equivalent – buying a drink.
Hold the door open for her, buy flowers, and go ahead and pick up the tab too, just in case. Keep it up, old school nice guy – you know, since it’s the manners and chivalry that attracts women and certainly not the fantasy of being banged silly by a handsome, aggressive, successful, fictional, philandering Mad Man.
The chasm between what women say and what they do grows larger by the day. Then again, being a 1950’s man did have its perks…
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I am beginning to give more serious thought to the idea that men are losing their masculinity due to exposure to xeno-estrogens in the water supply and plastics.
I am curiously (really) but, what does it have to do with the article at hand?
Actually Roosh I have used these same chivalrous tactics along with some asshole dominant game and its very effective. Before I do anything nice for the woman I make them work for it and prove themselves to me. Sometimes I call them out on their bullshit and then they get mad that I could not be manipulated by them. However because I was man enough to call them out, make them work for my approval etc. Then when I was nice to them after they stopped being a bitch I would get the stuff I wanted from the women. Its all about knowing how to give women the emotional roller coaster they want in life. If men would learn that well they would be better off!!!
I didn’t write this. I added an author byline right underneath the headline on all posts to eliminate confusion about authorship.
As has been said, chivalry and gentlemanly behavior requires reciprocation. Yet today nothing is expected of women except to have a vagina. And that does work for them, men will always slobber and pander, and we’re restructuring our entire society, for the worse, to cater to their whims, but they definitely aren’t happy and are always complaining about how there are “no real men anymore!”
Women, bring something to the table besides your vagina. Start by rediscovering what it means to be feminine and lose the entitled princess attitude.
Oh dear.
What really grinds my gears about these polls is the equivalent is never done – what do men these days prefer? What do men want in women today?
But asking these questions leads to cries of misogyny – “Oh no! You cant prefer that! You evil bastard, you!”
I dont care what she says, I care about what she responds to. I advise anyopne reading this to act ‘1950s chivalrous’ during a date and watch the mutual attraction take a nosedive. These things are great for women you are currently sleeping with, if you like that sort of thing. A woman you take on a date? No. She will think you are a cleft.
You nailed it in your commentary. The ladies do like manners. . .when it comes from a place of assertive strength. But assigning the attraction to manners places less wear and tear on the hamster wheel.
I agree that women appreciate and respond to good manners. But you have to demand that it work both ways – that the woman shows good manners too. Negging her when she doesn’t live up to the standards of behavior that YOU’VE set gets the dominance positions correct too.
Really good manners demonstates social value and position – higher SMV in other words – and helps satisfy her need for sexual hypergamy.
Remember Oscar Wilde’s famous saying “A gentleman never hurts the feelings of another – unintentionally.”
haha i was hoping to god you were joking at first but now i see i shouldnt have doubted you. of course you were joking!!
Are we still listening to females responses from surveys?
Don Draper has ‘practiced manners’ but is still totally in control of whatever room/vagina he enters. That’s the type of manners the ladies like; charming/respectful, but still dominant…
” The study, which was commissioned and carried out by officials at Scaramouche & Fandango, brought with it some interesting results, the most striking of which was the fact that 61 per cent of females questioned believe that the image of men associated with the 1950s is more favorable than that of the young males of today.
[…] explaining that the main reason behind the results was that men of the 1950s are perceived to have had much better manners than their modern, 21st century counterparts.”
The guys of the 50s weren’t obese unkempt pigs.
Look, eat right, work out, have a brain and a symmetrical face and a nice think head of hair and you’ll get somewhere with women.
Damnit! Thought the first response didn’t go through. I like the second one better anyway. Seems less douchey.
“Look, eat right, work out, have a brain and a symmetrical face and a nice think head of hair and you’ll get somewhere with women.”
Some of these things you dont have control over (and you’re a fucking evil cunt for mentioning them) but many men these days work out and eat well PLUS are well mannered. How are the girls doing in that department ?. Look at your own writings here, and you know.
“Chivalry” derives from a latin word meaning “horseman.” To support armored horseman an early medieaval warlord would grant him land. Horses, armor and weapons were expensive.
Such a horseman was the most potent force on the battlefield at the time. He was also completely ruthless. If this is your alpha ideal, well done you.
Eleanor of Aquitaine tempered these barbarians with manners. They learned poetry and played chess. Read any book about even the late medieval period, though, and you’ll find that knights and men-at-arms were just as beastly in combat. Manners didn’t reduce their effectiveness at all. The longbow, the pike and gunpowder did that.
(By the way, the chivalric code is not Christian, although knights were… King Arthur and the twelve knights of the round table were really Pagan demigods)
If your single goal in life is to have sex with multiple women, and in order to do that you turn yourself into a slobbering, boorish pig, well, it’s your life. You’ve sold your honor and your dignity fairly cheap, in my opinion, but that’s your business.
My impression of Roosh, however, is that he has most definitely not done this.*
When you read his stories you find that he is unfailingly polite and civilized when he speaks to people, until they do him some sort of wrong, and then he is wrathful. This falls in line quite nicely with what any man who lived before about 1920 would call “gentlemanly behavior.” A gentleman is the opposite of a beta male. He takes himself seriously and he presents himself as an adult. He has an inclination toward fair play, personal honor, and the defense of the weak.
Suppose that costs him some amorous attention. So what? Isn’t it worth it?
*I don’t mean to speak for the man here. This is a long-held opinion of mine.
The history of chivalry is discussed here
http://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2013/01/02/the-feminine-imperative-circa-1300/
This is excellent. What strikes me as false about it, and this is not rational so I’ll admit that right out of the gate, is that the author views concepts such as romantic love, duty, honor, fidelity, etc. as tools of social control, and not as eternal truths. Not so me.
Even animals exhibit altruism. In fact there was a study about it recently; I can’t remember by who, but it found that animals are even more altruistic than was thought.
It would be a shame to surrender to the author’s very well stated but hopelessly bleak view of the world, and in the process have less honor than a wildebeest.
What do you make of this? A knight is to marry a beautiful woman as a reward for his virtue. She’s cursed, though. He may have her beautiful during the day and ugly at night, or vice versa. He says “let the lady decide.” This was the key to breaking the curse, and so she becomes beautiful both day and night.
I’ve known many hard hearted men, and not one of them were happy. Feminism has overreached, certainly, but to throw out Western concepts of virtue, honor and duty, to turn one’s back on Socrates, is a poor response.
Smells like an aloof alpha attitude to me.
RulingPart, “I’ve known many hard hearted men, and not one of them were happy. Feminism has overreached, certainly, but to throw out Western concepts of virtue, honor and duty, to turn one’s back on Socrates, is a poor response.”
Interesting. To many non-Westerners the West appears completely devoid of virtue, honor and duty. So are you saying that the West does indeed know and practice these qualities but they are somehow under the radar or not culturally obvious? Is there some sort of secret code that is not visible to, say, an immigrant or foreign tourist?
That is very well put. I’m not claiming Western superiority, though I can see how that might seem implied. Most major cultures have a philosophical tradition of the same sort of concepts, though the conclusions they reach can diverge wildly. Certainly the culture seems to have moved on from what I would call classical Western values anyway. That being said…
The West values the individual, free speech, liberty, reason and logic, the rule of law, the free expression of religion… the virtues of the Enlightenment. I’m a Western man, and that is how I view the world. It’s my way, if you will.
If you haven’t seen this as a recent immigrant I’m very sorry for that. Seems like we ought to be living up to our ideals with more fidelity.
This is excellent, but it’s a very bleak view of the world. The author views concepts such as romantic love, duty, honor and charity as a means of social control, not as eternal truths. That’s a tragedy.
You know there was a study done recently which reveals that animals display more altruism than was previously thought. They will risk themselves for love of another. I won’t be outdone in terms of honor by a wildebeest.
My position isn’t a rational one, I suppose, but I’ve known many hard-hearted rationalists and not one damn one of them is genuinely at peace with himself.
Now, as far as romantic love goes, one need go no further than Ovid to find it expressed in full a thousand years before the cult of courtly love. Romantic love is as old as the human species, and its permutations, though different in form, are identical in content.
“If you want to be loved, be lovable.” This from a very accomplished seducer of other men’s wives.
And here it is! Hard to seem credible when you can’t work the comments section. I’m going to shut up now.
By the way, I’m loving this new blog and the caliber of the men who read it. Very interesting stuff.
That’s a bit touchy, isn’t it? The writing is excellent and the reasoning is impressive. It’s not my intention to shame you; far from it.
Still, you don’t seem to recognize the sorts of eternal truths which I take for granted. It’s a very mercenary view of the world, and it wouldn’t bring me any personal satisfaction.
For the grey matter it’s working with, the wildebeest is a noble animal. Tough, community minded, brave… there’s a lot to admire about a wildebeest. Plus they can shit outdoors in front of hundreds of their kind with few if any social consequences. That would be nice.
My point is that if a wildebeest exhibits altruistic behavior, can I ask less of myself? No, not and still respect myself.
Glad to hear it. And I mean it; I really enjoyed that article. The level of scholarship in there is impressive, and your style is very finished.
Respectfully, I’m not buying it. I think its ok to show limited common decency, otherwise you risk coming across as ‘some guy with a chip on his shoulders’.
Aside from that, Chivalry is dead. And all surveys are going to be warped now that almost everything is passed through the liberal elite’s politically correct censorship.
If women expect a 1950’s man in their lives then I expect a 1950’s lady in mine, and those of us who are unplugged from the matrix know that we aint going to be seeing our females become ladies anytime soon.
You know, I thought that for a long time, and it is a reasonable thing to think, but in the last year or so it occured to me that I am who I want to be, not contingent on somebody else. So if I want to be a 1950’s man (which I don’t… I’d rather be a 1550’s man), I’d marry a 1950’s woman or I wouldn’t marry. That seems to be the solution. I don’t need to conform to anything, and if I’m strong enough and secure enough I won’t.
American men go for Asian women because they think we’re 1950s style women. We’re sick of being exotified and infantalized.
I’m not sure if you’re responding to something I’ve written. I don’t have any experience with what you’re describing, and I don’t have a fetish for Asian women, so I’m at a bit of a loss.
I suppose that if I found somebody exotifying me or infantalizing me I’d tell them to stop.
Actually if they exotified me I’d be rather flattered. I don’t come off as terribly exotic. I’d probably let that one slide.
And this infantalizing thing… would this include laying around in bed all day while they feed me and rub my back? Because I could sort of go for that too.
@paki girl pakeeza
that rule applys to east asian women. western guys already know south asian women are mouthy…..and hairy :p
“that rule applys to east asian women. western guys already know south asian women are mouthy…..and hairy :p”
Ha Ha.
Actually so many non-South Asian guys have tried to pick me up using a Kama Sutra line, so they obviously think we’re all Kama Sutra experts or something.
Mouthy, ok some are. Hairy? How so? We wax our under arms and legs and thread our eyebrows (and upper lip i necessary), so how are we anymore hairy than anyone else?
RulingPart, yeah, I guess if you’ve never been exotified it would be nice.
🙂
“If women expect a 1950′s man in their lives then I expect a 1950′s lady in mine”
Winner.
Fun trick to play: Tell women that they took the word “reciprocation” out of the dictionary.
We’re suddenly supposed to believe that women tell the truth about what they actually want from men sexually?
All of the Chronicles of Friend links have a typo.
So, what am I not supposed to have an opinion?
Should I keep quiet just because I’m a woman?
Call me a bitch ’cause I speak what’s on my mind?
Guess it’s easier for you to swallow if I sat and smiled!
When a female fires back
Suddenly big talker don’t know how to act
So he does what any little boy would do
Making up a few false rumors or two
That for sure is not a man to me!
Slandering names for popularity
It’s sad you only get your fame through controversy, so sad
But now it’s time for me to come and give you more to say
This is for my girls all around the world
Who have come across a man that don’t respect your worth
Thinking all women should be seen not heard
So what do we do, girls, shout louder!
Letting YOU know we’re gonna stand our ground
Lift your hands higher and wave ’em proud
Take a deep breath and say it loud
Never can, never will, can’t hold us down!
Nobody can hold us down!
Never can, never will!
So, what am I not supposed to say, what I’m saying?
Are you offended with the message I’m bringing?
Call me whatever ’cause your words don’t mean a thing
‘Cause you ain’t even a man enough to handle what I sing
If you look back in history
It’s a common double standard of society
The guy gets all the glory, the more he can score
While the girl can do the same and yet you call her a whore
I don’t understand why it’s okay
The guy can get away with it, the girl gets named
All my ladies come together and make a change
And start a new beginning for us, everybody sing
Check it
Here’s something I just can’t understand
If a guy have three girls then he’s the man
He can even give us some head and sex her raw
If the girl do the same, then she’s a whore
But the table’s about to turn
I’ll bet my fame on it
Cats take my ideas and put they name on it
It’s allright though, you can’t hold me down
I got to keep on moving
To all my girls with a man who be trying to mack
Do it right back to him and let that be that
You need to let him know that his game is whack
But you’re just a little boy
Think you’re so cute so coy,
You must talk so big
To make up for smaller things…
– Christina Aguilera
Song lyrics! How courtly! In keeping with the theme of chivalry I’ll quote a very well known knight, a stout fellow called Sir Mix-a-lot:
I like big butts and I can not lie
You other brothers can’t deny
That when a girl walks in with an itty bitty waist
And a round thing in your face
You get sprung, wanna pull out your tough
‘Cause you notice that butt was stuffed
Deep in the jeans she’s wearing
I’m hooked and I can’t stop staring
Oh baby, I wanna get with you
And take your picture
My homeboys tried to warn me
But that butt you got makes me so horny
Ooh, Rump-o’-smooth-skin
You say you wanna get in my Benz?
Well, use me, use me
‘Cause you ain’t that average groupie
I’ve seen them dancin’
To hell with romancin’
She’s sweat, wet,
Got it goin’ like a turbo ‘Vette
Now we have the men of Jersey Shore. From Garry Cooper to “The Situation”.
please, guys. you must be joking.
you really need some guy on the internet telling you that women prefer good manners? please, how thick are you?!
of course we do!
and we don’t need to discuss this. just accept it that things like opening the door when entering the restaurant, taking the coat or buying a drink are seen as polite and polite is good. and it also won’t punch a hole in your manhood if you just do them without making a fuss about it.
so, write it down if you must, although it should just be plain obvious…
good manners and being polite are a good thing. in general. will always help. not just with women.
That’s because the typical modern man is (by design) a pussy compared to a 1950’s man, who didn’t believe in silliness like feminism and wouldn’t have put up with the bullshit of today’s women. In those days men, and society at large actually, seemed to realize women’s limitations and didn’t subscribe to the notion that women should be put in charge of the world. A world that is only possible due to men’s hard work and innovation.
Agreed. I think they are more attracted to the “man” part in “1950s man” than they are to the “1950s”
Which is exactly what feminism is about. They think they can have their cake and eat it too. Fucking skanks
What women say they want and what they really want are 2 different things entirely and the article refuses to address that. Of course in THEORY women want that nice gentlemen, but in REALITY they want that aggressive bad boy who will tell them what to do and they will love it. Feminism killed women’s feminine nature. I see girls now burping, farting, throwing up on themselves, peeing in the streets, sloppy drunk, etc. It’s disgusting. Then they curse like sailors and have sluts as role models. They have zero class, zero intelligence, and all they care about are material things and celebrity gossip. If men wanted other men they would be gay. Straight men want REAL women, not manly feminists.