This great evil. Where does it come from? How’d it steal into the world? What seed, what root did it grow from? Who’s doin’ this? Who’s killin’ us? Robbing us of life and light. Mockin’ us with the sight of what we might’ve known. Does our ruin benefit the earth? Does it help the grass to grow, the sun to shine? Is this darkness in you, too? Have you passed through this night?
– James Jones, The Thin Red Line
I’d like to say that I was surprised by Elliot Rodger’s shooting spree this week, but honestly, at this point, I can’t even pretend that I am. Sadly, I think most of you reading feel the same way. Horrific events like these are so common place in our modern world that we’ve reached a point where we almost expect mass killings on a clock work schedule. While talking to my mom on Saturday morning I casually mentioned how there was spree killing a few hours before. “Another one?” she asked casually, almost off handedly. She’s not a callous woman, but she, like so many others, has seemed to have developed a kind of numbness to these tragedies. I, regrettably, have not.
Always curious as to what people other people think about such extreme events, I started to read various news sites and blogs with posts already up about Rodger. One of the standard sites I go through for stories like these is the CBC (Canadian Broadcast Corporation). The articles on the CBC tend to be extremely biased and contain numerous intentional omissions in order to sell the progressive narrative of the CBC’s staff, so I gave the article on Rodger itself a quick going over before I scrolled down to the comment section. I do this mainly because, although the CBC article itself is usually a biased mess, if they allow comments on it the article’s comment section is a fairly unbiased representation of what Canadians on the whole are thinking.
For such an extreme situation, I was foolish to think that the comment section for this tragedy would be unbiased. The top comments (in terms of likes) were a mixture of those who blame guns for everything and those exposing the worst cultural attribute Canadians possess—our holier than thou attitude toward Americans. Here’s a couple of examples of what I mean, taken from the top of the Most Liked comments from when I was browsing through:
When are the American public going to realize that the fight against terrorism has to begin with the NRA, the biggest urban terrorist group in the US or possibly the world?! The rant by the father of the victim was well put and well needed. May he be granted peace and justice in his loss.
Another:
This guy was suicidal, but why the hatred, the lust to kill? Is this what America is about—blame others, externalize your problems, kill ? I think America is one of the most dysfunctional countries in the world. No public health care, satisfy your own lusts and desires at any cost, and don’t settle for good enough. Sick place.
And:
Three legal semi automatics and 1000 legal rounds legally sold to a 22 year old legal wacko. Wake up Americans, this doesn’t happen to countries with gun controls. What about your theory of good people with guns being able to stop these? Oh well, we can debate it again next week with the next legal slaughter.
Obviously we Canadians are so much better than Americans. It’s strictly guns and American values which are the problem. No frustrated young men ever go on a rampage in Canada, right?
On April 15, 2014, a fifteen year old male stabbed four people in a mall in Regina, Saskatchewan. The fifteen year old’s motives weren’t immediately apparent and as Canadians like throwing their dirty laundry under a rug while they turn their nose up at America’s, there has been little public interest or outcry to determine why this young man went on a rampage. It’s likely that all we’ll hear is that he was fifteen, a male, and stabbed four people for no apparent reason.
On the same day, a Province over, Matthew De Grood went to a house party in Calgary, Alberta, and stabbed five people to death. Matthew was twenty-two years old, a University student with good grades and hopes of furthering his education in Law School. His father was a senior Calgary Police Officer, and a gun was likely available for Matthew to use though in the end he chose to murder five people with a knife. So far his motives for doing so have not become clear.
On January 31st, 2013, in the city of Vancouver, British Columbia, Jerome Bonneric stabbed six people in an apartment complex and stabbed a seventh (a responding officer) outside.
Clearly we Canadians do not a have a moral high ground from which to cast judgement at our American neighbours. America is not the only country producing angry young men.
The April 2014 Canadian stabbing sprees both happened just six days after sixteen year old Alex Hribal went on a knife rampage at his school in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. He stabbed and wounded twenty-one people.
So perhaps stabbing sprees committed by young men are simply a North American phenomenon.
On May 21st, 2014, Cheng Chieh, a twenty-one year old university student , boarded a subway train in Taipei, Taiwan and proceeded to stab several passengers, killing four and wounding at least twenty-four others.
So besides the fact that these were all young men, most of whom were students, what is the common factor in their sprees? All used knives, not guns, to commit their violence. Taiwan has very strict firearms control, but that didn’t stop Cheng Chieh from killing.
My home nation of Canada has three classes of firearm control (non-restricted, restricted, prohibited). You can’t just walk into a hunting goods store, lay down some cash and walk out with a handgun. Nothing stopped Matthew De Grood from walking into a party and leaving five bodies in his wake. Even in the supposedly gun crazy nation of America, Alex Hribal chose to stab his fellow students. Even if America had the most stringent system of gun control on the planet, blood would still have been spilt.
Young men the world over are engaging in horrifying acts of violence against their peers. It’s far overdue that society stops touting bumper sticker solutions such as More Gun Control. Three bodies were removed from firearm spree killer Elliot Rodger’s apartment, and they were stabbed to death. The underlying reasons as to why so many young men feel the need to lash out against people who have done them no harm are complex, and these reasons need to be examined instead of being airily dismissed with a call for more legislation, more laws and more control over the law abiding rest of society. If people want to cause mass harm, they’ll do it any way they can.
Ban guns, ban knives, ban bats, ban violence, ban everything, and we’ll still have solved nothing. Our cultures need to take a good, long look in the mirror and think about why these young men, so many of them at the dawn of their lives, are so angry with themselves and us that they feel the only solution they have is to kill. Why are we creating so many monsters when we live in such an age of comfort and luxury undreamed of by our ancestors? Why do so many young men feel like they have no hope of ever living a fun, fulfilling life in our times? It’s a tough question to answer, and I hope one day we will actually try to do so.
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yes, let’s ban assault knives lolol
Billy Chubbs,
There are biases on CBC, but it’s nothing compared to those of Radio-Canada, the French Canadien Public Broadcaster.
I live in Quebec, and I am myself a firearm owner (non-restricted and restricted). Even in the rural area in which I live, where many hunters live, there are people complaining and asking to a total ban on firearm.
In many small communities here in the Gaspe, and in remote areas (Northern Quebec, Labrador, Newfoundland) many people possess firearms and you never hear about any killing spree.
It’s easy to understand that mass media only show one side of the coin to serve politicians and pressure groups asking what would be a long term total ban, only because it pays, politicaly speaking.
Canada has gun control though.
The US has no gun control. ANYONE can get a gun. Which is why they are so afraid of gun control…because they are very trigger happy.
There was a man just on the news who walked into a little league baseball game and say “I have a gun and there is NOTHING you can do about it” – Great.
We do not have those people in Canada. US is COCKY.
in the UK – ALL HANDGUNS are illegal, to the point that olympic teams have to take a boat to france to practice shooting…… handguns are still available…. any kid that knows how to score an 8 ball of coke, or some E, can also find a handgun…..
it’s almost better having them freely available, because at least a shop can ask a few questions and require registration, whereas back street dealers are not generally so particular about their clientele.
Police station drive-by in Australia. I don’t think so.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/drive-by-shooting-at-armadale-police-station/story-e6frg6n6-1226559995630
http://www.myfoxphilly.com/story/20438718/shots-fired-inside-gloucester-township-police-station
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/law-order/young-police-officer-dead-after-gun-fired-in-station/story-fni0fee2-1226671871268
“the best way to make kids more responsible is with military service….”
Uh, NO. Count me out. I don’t feel like being sent overseas to kill people I’ve never met, calling it “defense” when it’s really imperialism thank you very much. The best way is to get government out of everyone’s lives. That’s what’s fucked people up so bad in the first place.
i’m talking about basic cadet training… you can’t drive a car without passing an exam… and most people behave pretty decently on the roads…. a car is just as an effective killing machine as a gun…. and yet there are precious few incidents of people going bananas and ramming other cars, targeting pedestrians, Carmageddon style…. even though you see that in the movies alot… not many people go and do it…
guns however are kinda glamorous and ‘cool’… and you can go buy one with no training and no respect for what it is…
imagine if you could just go buy a car and burn off the lot in it….
^ This guy is on top of things today.
You sure don’t lmao.
Kindly go fuck yourself. We have 20,000+ pages of regulations and laws regarding firearms ownership on the book (d’oh, you didn’t know that!). We have a NICS background check which disallows criminals from owning firearms (d’oh you didn’t know that!) Plus you get a bunch of stabby people up in your wonderful country…or didn’t you read the article?
So anyway, yeah, go fuck yourself, k?
Oh and those laws are working wonderfully!
Exactly. It is precisely where “gun laws” are the thickest that the most crime occurs.
He’s too fucking stupid to see that I guess.
Actually our gun laws are effective and are too broad as is. Considering the sheer amount of firearms in this country there are relatively few shootings. Mass shootings make the news and are constantly in your face which magnifies their actual rate of occurrence , but the chance of you being killed in a random mass shooting are pretty remote. Most of our mass shootings involve mentally ill people , not regular Americans .
These shootings usual happen the most in “gun free zones”.
The American media will always use gun control as the answer, and they will conveniently ignore that Gun Violence City, USA – Chicago, has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation. No one is ever going to stop a nut job from inflicting harm if they are truly intent on doing so. This whacko also ran people over in his BMW – so maybe we should ban cars? What about kitchen knives? He stabbed 3 people!! Of the brief portion of his rant that I listened to, he spoke of never being with the type of girls he desired. I think a case can be made against the American media for distorting reality to the point that young men & women are believing that what they see on MTV, movies and in the ridiculous tabloids, is REAL. Let me let you in on a secret: Rappers on yachts pouring champagne on their ‘Bitches’ looks fantastic! Guess what?!?! It’s an f’ing MOVIE!! (video, whatever) My point is this – I’m sure I’m a lot older than this sites target demo, but I pray to God that I’m doing a better job with my 3 Sons than this poor lost souls Father did with him – . How come NO ONE in America’s “media elite” (eg; ass-holes) has asked WTF his parents were up to while there son lost his mind?
knives are probably more effective for a killing spree in someways, because they are quiet… even with a suppressor, you can hear a handgun and it creates panic which people can escape from… that’s probably why Rodgers chose to stab his flatmates…..
if someone wants to kill they will kill…a cheap kitchen knife from ikea will do.. to be honest, i’m surprised we haven’t had an entire town wiped out with cyanide in the water supply from some wacko…. or hijack a gasoline tanker truck and set fire to it …..
there are lots of ways to cause havoc, and as these things get more common, i expect the wackos will get more creative…..
Germany has very strict gun control laws. That did not prevent any of the school shootings.
Let’s ban all guns… because we cannot tolerate any sort of killing or death–death must totally and permanently be eliminated… for the children!
Next, knives will need to go, because, well, a madman could kill ten folks on a crowded subway with one in a matter of minutes. And while we’re at it, a fork to the jugular is kind of dangerous too, so let’s distribute sporks to everybody.
Going further, it shall also become illegal to posses a sharped stick, because one could stab the shit out of somebody with that; hammers also go bye bye.
And finally, well, any person who is more than one standard deviation above the average IQ must be banned… because they are just a little too smart and could be a danger to the population. Heck, they might dream up some advanced way of killing people, and we just cannot have that.
Killing and death are natural parts of biology and will never be eliminated so long as things breath air on this rock.
People get into accidents even while driving under the speed limit. So why on earth do we bother with speed limits?
People get into accidents while not under the influence of alcohol. So why bother with DUI laws?
People are going to die anyway, so why the hell bother with restrictions?
“Above average IQ” Don’t kid yourself.
Then obesity should be the first thing to be banned based on the threat it poses to human life.
“Strict Gun Control Will Not Stop Spree Killings”
It won’t “stop” them, but it certainly will diminish them significantly. Isn’t that what we want? Oh wait, the pro-gun people do not give a fu*k about crimes.
As carry is legalized across states they see their violent crime rates plummet. Fact.
Take you leftism out the door with you, punk.
The Idiot Left doesn’t think. Never has, never will.
And it will eliminate completely legal self-defense, reducing your status to an cow herded by the government
If it will diminish them significantly, why do the cities with the toughest gun control laws typically have the highest gun crime? (Chicago, DC, etc)
What about the assault on me that I stopped because I have a license to carry? The left would rather be victims and call the cops. They show after crimes are commited! I’ll keep my guns, and I think I’ll donate some extra money to the NRA while I’m at it
How does gun control limit crazies from killing? It only changes the method, not the tragic outcome. Do you think a kid dead from a stabbing is somehow less tragic than a gun?
I must admit that initially, I was an opponent of gun ownership and I did support stricter laws on gun control. But after seeing how the whole Elliot Rodger’s back story played out to its tragic end and how there are so many mass stabbings, I realised that implementing gun control laws is like putting a band-aid on a gaping shotgun wound. The culture of narcissism, lack of good parental upbringing, media influence, materialism, plus the lack of respect for human life…these are the things that must be addressed and confronted. Not implementing unenforceable gun control laws.
Exactly. The argument can be further extended that gun control *allows* dickheads like Rodgers to operate with impunity.
Rodgers bought his gun legally in California, too. He also passed the background check, which is the ironic part.
NICS is a joke. It cannot tell what your intent is, and a clean record today is a mass shooting tomorrow. I don’t recall the 2nd stating “but only if the federal government approves of you buying them” either.
Actually, it says, “shall not be infringed.” One could make the argument that a waiting period or background check is already infringement.
Exactly, that was my point.
Yup. The problem isn’t guns it’s special interest groups using government to indoctrinate people into their sick ideologies. Feminism for example. Look at what it’s done to boys.
Just to further add to my above paragraph there. I trained for a number of years in a few Japanese martial arts mostly involving razor sharp weapons. From a early part of my training, I was taught by my sensei that I had to cultivate the intent to carry out a lethal attack or response with my weapon that will kill or incapacitate my enemy. This was against my training partners in the kata where we repeated it hundreds of times. I also had to learn how to receive an attack that would end my life instantly. We learned to trust each other to stop our weapons at just the right time and distance and it was scary as hell. But you know what the spill over effect was? It cultivated a sense of respect for your training partners and a healthy sense of respect for the weapons we used. It taught self control, discipline, courage and moral integrity and by doing so, it helped to curb any blooming narcissistic or egotistical thoughts about myself. Because of this, I learnt to respect ALL weapons and human life because when you can actually see the person up close that you are going to destroy, you paradoxically also learn to realise that using violence should be a last resort in dealing with your problems.
That’s why I said that the culture of narcissism, materialism and egotism should be the main issues to confront. Because even if all guns disappear overnight, crazies with these issues will find a way to kill people. But looking at the way things are going on at the moment, I think we are in for a very very long struggle.
This is exactly why professional fighters are usually fun, laid back and not really aggressive. For one, they work that fighting urge out on the mat; and two, they are familiar with what violence is and its consequences. And like you say, if you train with your superiors you realize real fucking quick that looks can be deceiving, and that old guy or skinny guy might be packing some heat you’re not ready to deal with. It’s called a healthy respect for your neighbors.
I used to think so when I was a teenager. Two things changed my mind. Police with guns and maniacs with guns. If a maniac comes for me I’d rather have a gun on my hip than hide under my desk praying for the cops to come rescue me. Plus you’re much more likely to get shot by a cop than a maniac.
I am not American and I am a supporter of the second amendment. The right to carry arms is important because the Police can’t be everywhere.
To ban all guns like in Japan, it’s okay because the police isn’t armed there either. The regular street cop in Japan is not carrying a weapon, they know Judo. The only problem is that the market for illegal guns appear and the ones who want to make robberies and massacres find a way to do it with a little fear of actually getting shot back.
Pipe dream. There are over 300+ million legally owned firearms in the hands of 110+ million civilians. They couldn’t ban them if they tried, and would likely see a civil war as a result. After the CN shootings they passed a law in CN demanding gun owners show up and register, only 10% did, with the rest openly defying the law.
The solution is to NOT have anti-carry states like California being able to circumnavigate the 2nd Amendment with impunity. These crimes ALWAYS occur in “no gun zones”. Somebody try to pull a stunt like this in my area, where we’re averaging ~ 60k new CHL’s per half year, and he’d be dead before he could start his car.
The confiscation of firearms started the *last* American Revolution – something Progressives can’t seem to grasp.
Lots of guys here fantasize about “the collapse” and I generally think that they’re off base, but I do know a sure fire way to make it really happen would be for some kind of mass confiscation.
Heller didn’t go the way it did without some degree of cognizance that a negative ruling on it would have gone VERY badly, indeed.
Right, misdirection. When the time comes I envision there will be a “large disaster”, martial law will be declared and then it’s time for the drones (aerial and terrain) to clean house.
Okay mate, we agree on some things, but not others. First off, most CCP holders I’ve met shoot no better than cops (often worse, as a firearm instructor trying to correct their bad habits told me) on a good day. Second, most of the idiots freeze, but at least they don’t shoot anyone by mistake that way. Third, there is something to be said about limiting access.
An armed populace is not a polite populace, despite the saying. Were that the case, you’d see places like Somalia (and other conflict ravaged regions) being the most polite societies in the world. They aren’t, obviously.
The best solution I’ve seen is the Swiss. They train people to use a weapon, in defense of their country (regulated militia), after a pretty good mental evaluation. They don’t just hand out weapons and permits. Heck, their system was enough to give Hitler a pause.
My biggest problem with how we apply the 2nd amendment is that anyone can just pick up a gun (at a private sale), and many states the CCP has such a minimal requirement that a hunter’s safety course qualifies. These people, in many cases, are as dangerous as the criminals just lacking intent. God forbid they have to pull out that 1911 and accurately shoot. Heck, if they had two ounces of common sense, they would’ve gotten a 9mm. They can’t handle the kick of a .45, and can’t hit the broad side of a barn accurately with it.
You want a gun, at a minimum, it should be like a driver’s test. Go to a qualified instructor and pass a 5 – 10 – 25 yard shooting test (rifles would obviously be at different ranges), and not an ‘easy’ test either. I mean actually hit the target accurately. We’re not talking a ‘Hogan’s Alley’ here, but you’d still have to shoot well. Add to that a safety quiz, and breakdown test (cleaning and maintenance), of the type (revolver, bolt, semi-auto) firearm. Passing means you can use weapons up to that point, so if you pass with a 9mm you’d have to take another test to get a permit / use a .50 pistol.
I’d like to require the mental health evaluation as well, but I’m not too sure how to work it with privacy concerns.
I like how you’re able to put so many restraints on my rights without blinking an eye. How about this though? No. Does “no” work for you? It’s going to have to.
Thanks for playing.
God damn right! We gotta have an ROK range day at some point lol
Somalia is full of ni*gers and they cannot be compared to actual humans. Fail comparison.
How many spree killings do the Swiss have again? With an armed populace? Why do we license people to drive a 2500lb car, but not a deadly weapon? Heck, we make people test to drive a 400lb bike!
How about grow up. Does that work for you. In my ‘limitations’ you’d simply have to show proficiency, and not be a fucking nutter. My limitations would have the government (mimicking the Swiss) training every able bodied American that basic weapon proficiency.
I guess if training, to gain proficiency with a firearm, and the thought of every American without a mental defect (I consider criminality to be a barring mental defect, granted) trained, then you crossed from reality to stupidity. Why you probably think black helicopters hover silently over your house at that point.
People (pants pissers) often blather about ‘2nd Amendment solutions’ or ‘watering the tree of liberty’. Good luck with that with less than 1/3 of people owning guns and (as a firearms instructor) about 1/2 of them useless posers.
You just want an ‘armed’ populace. I want an armed, proficient, populace.
Histrionics, much?
You want it from the top down, because you claim to be an instructor, so the assumption in your entire post that I receive is that you’re trying to engage in job creation for yourself. How noble. How about instead from the bottom up. Train kids in schools like we used to, and an assumed proficiency by graduation is reasonable. No need for licenses or adults filing in asking for permission to own a gun.
Ta da.
Yeah, I’m a problem solver. You’re welcome.
No, I don’t charge for training. The only cost is the range fee (plus your own gun / ammo), but I tend to teach the safety / breakdown sections.
The Swiss system is superior. The Swiss system is proven. The Swiss system would have every male in America (with women encouraged to do the same) bring their assault rifles home. They would weed out the ‘personality’ disorders AND loosen the laws we already have.
FYI my ‘real job’ is as a network analyst. The entire gist of your post is ‘GUNS 2nd Amendment, WHARRGGGBL!’ Which is the NRA line.
The fact you would decry a system of proven efficiency and efficacy just shows your colors. You would decry a system that would have EVERY able bodied male (of sound mind) citizen proficient and taking his weapon home. Why? GUBBBERMINT! DERP!
Ridiculous.
” These crimes ALWAYS occur in “no gun zones””
THIS.
Hello people? THINK
Weapons ban in Japan only works because their society is a complete monotone. And even then, I don’t think it’s humane to ban self-defense, because they still have criminals in Japan. They have no minority populations with any significant percentage, so there are no cultural conflicts, no cultural competitions, nothing. You cannot integrate differing cultures without the option of self-defense for all.
Quite so. And even then they have things like sarin gas in the subways and stabbings.
The sarin attack was when? 20 years ago or so?
Yeah, 1995.
That’s what I said. It’s okay in Japan because but “The only problem is that the market for illegal guns appear and the ones
who want to make robberies and massacres find a way to do it with a
little fear of actually getting shot back.” This is the case in Japan. We’re on the same page on this one bro
Because there’s nothing left for us. Our economy is dysfunctional. Work is ultimately unfulfilling. Our women are dysfunctional. Meaningful relationships with the opposite sex are nearly nonexistent. Our culture is dysfunctional. Productivity and virtuosity go unrewarded, while hedonism is held as the highest ideal. Our society is dysfunctional. Instead of fostering any sense of community, nearly all groups of people are pitted against each other. Sure, we chase money, pussy, drugs, power, whatever, but, in the end, what’s the point? What does it mean? There’s no longer any higher purpose in life. I really can’t blame these mass killers anymore. I get the feeling that there’s really not that much difference between them and I.
Lashing out violently at people is never something I would do, but I do see what you’re sayin.
“I get the feeling that there’s really not that much difference between them and I”
This is really sad. Mental health is really ignored in our country. Young guys need guidance from older guys, especially professional guys that are trained in helping the lonely, anxious, and depressed.
You are not a weaker man for getting help. You are actually braver and stronger than guys like Elliot Rodgers. Please, for you and anyone else that are dealing with these feelings, get into therapy with a professional. Your life has the potential to be great. It will ultimately be your choice to make it so.
Whoa there, haha I didn’t at all mean that I was, or have ever, considered killing anybody or anything like that. I just meant that I can almost see where he’s coming from.
I know what you are saying; watching all the military memorial day programs on TV this weekend I was left wondering: what exactly did these guys die for? The right to live in a culture that puts money, fame, sex, drugs, sports, and entertainment above all else? We have no culture, just greed and lust. Everyone is so alienated from each other; the family unit has been completely destroyed and replaced with “social circles” aka individuals that hang out together but have no real ties other than “fun”. People wonder how guys go crazy, shit, how can they not?
Read Ayn Rand.
I don’t think any logically thinking people are saying gun control will stop death. However Canada does have 1/3rd the homicide which should probably count for something. You are more likely to kill someone if you’re angry with a gun then you are without one, everything after that is just noise.
Control for race, then tell me what the homocide rates are for Canada and the US.
Now isn’t that kind of interesting, because in these united States of ‘Murica you’ll find that outside of the major cities the violent crime rate plummets to the levels of Switzerland. Now we all know the major demographic which inhabits the big cities of ‘Murica, right? And we all know the major demographic which inhabits the suburbs/rural areas, right?
And yet in Canada, which is basically (outside of importing Asians and a native American pressence) “white-people-landia”, you have a crime rate which is nearly 1/3 of our inner cities. That counts for something, if you ask me, and it doesn’t say a lot of good things about Canada.
Canada probably has lower rates of many things occurring, can’t imagine Canadians have much of a sex drive or will to live, maybe with a little work you can match the great nation of Antarctica
You could say the same about cars, but no one bans driving, or car ownership.
Canada doesn’t have the population of the US, either.
Adjust for demographics and examine again. A lot closer than you think. 3% of the US population (16-25 year old black males) are committing ~50% of the violent crime, including murders, nearly all of which in heavy urban areas (with the vast majority of victims being black as well).
Most gun violence in America is either suicides or ghetto street crime. Adjusted for demographics, America’s murder rate’s the same as Europe.
Yep–a little discussed fact. 3% of the population is committing 50% of the violent crime.
Yeah, I really wish America’s black population would go Galt and show us how we can’t live without them.
A white/asian kid kills a bunch of people: the conclusion is that Black people are criminals.
****totally rational thinking here.
Just look up government statistics…
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-43
In 2011 there were 4000 white murderers and 4149 black murders arrested, as an example (note that white also includes Hispanic)
Robbery – 35000 whites 45000 blacks
just a cpl of examples
It is not that you cannot live without us, it is that you must live with us. I understand that you are young and did not own slaves, perpetrate Jim Crow, or participate in a lynching. Hell, I agree with 90 percent of your comments. However if you went back in time to the 1950’s and were to speak with a white man about the current state of black America he would likely be overjoyed that all the barriers erected post slavery have been so effective. Do not just look at a pathological situation without respecting the conditions that made it so. Black people have only really been ” free” since the 1980’s we have been here as long as your ancestors have with none of the benefits. Something that took 300 years to break takes longer than 40 years to fix.
Don’t bother me with facts! Can’t you tell I’m emotional!
The State just found a new way to destroy black people. Its called “the War on Drugs” and “Welfare”.
Statistics. From the word “State”. Meaning, data manipulated to benefit a particular point of view.
I assume you also believe poverty rates and nearly all other statistics are bunk as well? Of all of the government numbers, the crime statistics are one of the ones I’m most likely to believe since a) its mostly traceable since nearly all states have online websites that record each arrest now and b) I can’t imagine this administration (Holder anyone) is trying to make blacks out to look worse than they actually are.
Note I did not state (no pun intended) that the statistics are bunk. I refer to the fact that people can use the same statistics to back up opposing views. 25% of black males are convicted criminals. This is because blacks are intrinsically bad. Or its because they are poor. Or its because of racism, etc. etc. Statistics themselves mean very little. They are bald facts open to interpretation by the observer.
But it is the State itself that is obsessed with collecting statistics on everything. It is a utopian method of control – by attempting to surveil every aspect of human life they hope to socially engineer a perfect society by reducing mankind to numbers. This goes back to the rationalism philosophies of the early modern period. That philosophy is bunk.
There are far more poor white and Hispanic dudes than blacks. Maybe as a % that isn’t true but the crime statistics above are not as a % either. I work in FP&A for a living-I’m very well aware of how #s can be manipulated. But when 3% of the population is committing ~50% +-10% of the crime, its pretty hard to spin it favorably in any light.
Its not about spinning it favorably, its about using the statistic to back up some political point. You brought this crime statistic up to suggest something about black people yes? The bald statistic itself is meaningless because it begs the question.
You won’t prove anything meaningful with statistics alone.
And how do you define violent crime? Is a warrant-less search and/or beating/shooting a crime? How is that captured by your crime statistics? And lets not forget that most police departments “don’t do body counts”.
Actually, I brought it up to the original point this particular sub-thread was that adjusted for dense urban areas and 3% of the population (black males between 16-25–the vast majority of which is crime against other blacks), our crime rates are very similar to the rest of the Western world and that the US is not really very dangerous.
There are plenty of ways to count violent crime–I am comfortable with what the FBI uses above but am not married to that of course. I assume nearly all of the Western countries count the statistics relatively similarly so it is a relatively apples to apples comparison (could be wrong, but doubt it).
You may not think it doesn’t prove anything but I do–it shows there are some serious cultural issues currently in Black society which I think largely can be traced back to the devolution of the family unit in the Black community in the last 50 years and the rise of the welfare state.
I agree that the US is nowhere near as violent as people think. I think that movies and TV shows greatly exaggerate crime in the US but this is usually the only exposure people have to America. I also agree that violent crime tends to be limited to certain areas and certain people i.e. gang members and their associates, and the occasional innocent bystander.
I have to say, I have seen far more violence in the UK than in the US.
Most gun violence is between people whom know each other. Russia has more murders than US per capita and blunt instruments and knives are the weapon on choice. Humans are violent just evolved and most humans would rather not engage in violence, but to not have the means to defend yourself is just silly. There are videos of thwarted home invasions where a single homeowner defended his property from three armed thugs with a single AR 15. Had he not been armed and just called the police he would be a victim.
Why the fuck are you trying to justify yourself to the racist pieces of dog shit here???? Don’t you get it, “brother “? They fucking hate you. Stop prostrating yourself before the white trash here and attempting to explain yourself and your people and apologize for the actions of the few; it’s fucking embarrassing. I don’t see these motherfuckers apologizing for all the white serial killers and pedophiles. NABPALT! Get a fucking grip; this movement is about WHITE MALES who hate women, gays, and all minorities. So pretty much anyone who isn’t them. Don’t you get it yet?
Where is the rule that says anyone anywhere must like me for me to have a substantive conversation? I truly only “like” four people in real life out of everyone I have met outside my family. This whole “like me and agree with my every word or fuck off” concept is foreign to me, but if you feel that way you go ahead I am not stopping you.
Guess you didn’t notice the numerous non-white males here, Vinny. Your racism puts blinders on you.
Oh but don’t you know it wasn’t necessary for him to have an “assault weapon”. He would have had no problem taking down three criminals with a bolt-action .22
It cracks me up when people think a handgun or hunting rifle is adequate protection during a home invasion. Unless you are very well trained you could probably unload a 9 mm on a man 20ft away and hit nothing but air. Normal people aren’t great marksmen when they are scared to death and have massive amounts of adrenaline going through them. An “assault weapon” with a large magazine makes it a whole lot easier to protect yourself in that kind of situation. I’d still go with a shotgun though.
What I like is the argument that “you don’t need an assault weapon”. Well, which would you rather when facing a violent thug? A fair fight or overwhelming force in your favor? And how do the police prepare when dealing with a violent thug? Six shooters or overwhelming force? Why can’t I have the protection that the police have?
Agreed. Humans are worse than chimpanzees.
Quite believable, but do you have a good source on this?
Mexico has strict gun control- safest place in the world ….
Oh yeah, it’s so safe in Mexico with their gun control, that they’re exporting their peace and quiet to Texas.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/chilling-cartel-like-warnings-hanging-mannequins-found-texas-billboards-article-1.1804509
I think Dashui was saying even with Mexicos gun control laws murder rate is still high,
And I agree with him, I was amplifying the sarcasm.
Echo and amplify. The Game is strong with this one.
How very dare you?!
Great post! couldn’t agree more. People have a fetish for guns but what they don’t seem to realize is we’ve been killing each other for as long as we’ve been human. The reasons for human violence are complex – evolutionary and cultural. Perhaps the only (known) species as needlessly violent as humans are chimpanzees. But culturally, in the absence of stupidity (mental illness), apparently emitted violence always seems to be boiled down to theft – we have highly evolved cheating detectors and can be aware without being aware, when we’ve been stolen from or cheated. On top of this, men can tolerate great injustices so long as you don’t steal from them. Because we are being stolen from en masse, I mentioned awhile back that these killing sprees will probably become more frequent before they abate. Opiates like sports, religion and the most powerful, sex, while powerful in their own rights and spheres (especially sex), can neve fully release the tensions created by stealing from the people. Societies that have governments that don’t steal the property of its citizens flourish. Societies that do steal, no matter how well they mask it, are courting destruction…
One could make the argument that humans simply would not be the most intelligent species on the planet without human-on-human violence. Eternal conflict is what separates us from herd-animals.
Herd animals fight each other though bro…
Yes, true. However you will never see an elk kill another elk, or a deer kill another deer. They do fight, but in a non-lethal way. However, among top predator animals, far from the herdlike animals, you will see like kill like. Polar Bears will kill young polar bears for food. Male lions will kill other male lions while defending their harem.
If it wasn’t for constant athletic goals, meditation, well above adequate sex with attractive women and a religious/philosophical system that emphasis monetary focus as secondary and a supportive family unit then I would be much more sympathetic for that nagging voice that’s telling me to go HAM bc the left wing government agenda with its 55% income tax,land tax, GST, fuel excise tax, car tax, insurance rape, import tax and govt inflated interest rates that get redistributed and funnelled to people who hate my very existence for attempting to show some independence from govt and free thought.
If only common sense was common…
If only it was sensible.
Man you’re a fuckin’ dope.
Mexicos guns mostly come from the states…taken across the border
It is lunacy to think that outlawing firearms will make up for outlawing healthy male sexuality and fatherhood. In fact, it will only make women less-safe.
You know what happens when you ban all weapons, leftists? Big, scary, martially trained muscle bound guys like me get to take your women from you and fuck them on the sidewalk while you stand and watch in your lasagna-boy impotence.
Or better yet, you get to disrobe on command to the local street thug who towers over you. This is how it is, to be treated as a slave.
http://cdn2-b.examiner.com/sites/default/files/styles/image_content_width/hash/59/cc/59cc8f558304580d51a820263f1cd856.jpg?itok=D_LTPCpr
You do know that, right?
I disagree. When you ban all guns first you make felons out of all gun owners. Then you disarm law biding citizens who actually follow laws. Then criminals who do not care about laws simply make guns ( easy as hell) or import them illegally and continue to be violent. You also give a monopoly on violence to the state and criminals. If there is a natural disaster or blackout and the state is unavailable , guess who is going to use their advantage.
I carry a gun everywhere I go and have a CCW. My favorite thing about being constantly ready to defend myself is that when you prepare for the worst it almost never happens ( put on a seatbelt and wear a helmet when you ride your motorcycle , accidents never happen.)
Right, I agree. Just addressing the hippy fantasy that somehow we can disarm the entire human race. That’s the last thing any sane person would wish for, was my point.
I agreed with you 100 percent, I just wanted to expand upon your correct point with additional negative consequences to banning guns.
Not right that you need to have a CCW.
Totally agree. If Ohio didn’t have bizarre motor vehicle laws when it came to firearms I wouldn’t own one myself, since unlicensed open carry is a well established right in this state.
You’re also constantly ready to shoot anyone who pisses you off?
no more than a car driver is constantly ready to ram other vehicles… it’s amazing what happens when adults train themselves and learn how to behave like adults…
if everyone carried guns, guys like Rodgers would think twice…
There is a caveat though. Guys like Rodgers are quite ready to die. This is because they have come to the final conclusion that there is no hope for themselves anymore and that the best way to end the pain is to end their lives. I doubt that even if everyone carried guns, Rodgers would be deterred from carrying out his massacre.
No, I am ready to defend myself if someone attempts to victimize me. If someone pisses me off I just walk away , because unless they are assaulting me I use the power of ignoring them. Works wonders controlling your emotions instead of letting others control them for you.
Oh if everyone carried guns, guys like Rodgers would think twice, huh? LMFAO. And in that Newtown shooting when a fucking kindergarten full of 5-year-olds was shot up?!? Should the kids have been armed also, you fucking idiot??
Fortune favours the prepared.
I believe there were adults also present…
You’re an idiot Vinny. If the teachers had been armed, he would have been dealt with much sooner. He stopped shooting at precisely the moment an armed opponent showed up, just like all of them do.
You enable school shootings, the blood is on your hands, hoplophobe.
He wouldn’t be able to kill as many as someone would shoot first.
source?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2024001/UK-riots-2011-London-Birmingham-people-forced-strip-naked-street.html
Its interesting. The police can also make you disrobe at the side of the street and take your money off you. And they will beat you, perhaps to death, if you resist.
You’re kidding I hope?
Fuck am I glad my family came over here after the war.
Not kidding sadly. Asset forfeiture laws turn police officers into highwaymen. But that aside, I have long regarded speeding tickets as a legal form of armed robbery. Resist? You go to jail. Continue to resist? You will be shot. Not only that, it is not unheard of for a simple traffic stop to devolve into a violent confrontation not limited to cavity search or a severe beating if you are lucky.
I refer to the USA here for point of clarification.
Most definitely! On November 11, 1938, the Minister of the Interior, Wilhelm
Frick, passed Regulations Against Jews’ Possession of Weapons. This regulation effectively deprived all Jews of the right to possess firearms or other weapons. Now do we know why hundreds of these people walked out of their houses onto the death trains to the concentration camps without resistance. The Luby’s Restaurant orphan child, now grown, who devotes her life to the cause of maintaining our Bill of Rights right to bear arms said on TV that, from research, wherever there are armed guards in public places, there have been no mass killings. I have a friend who was raped by 2 men at a car wash who said she will always have her gun in her purse from now on. When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns that will still be sold on the black market.
The only problem is that they would like that since they are all have a serious cuck fetish
I think I read somewhere that if you took out Detroit, Los Angelos, Chicago, New York City, and New Orleans, that the US would be the 4th safest country in the planet.
I posted this on another forum about Elliot Rodger and gun control:
I love how they blame the manosphere for this. Killing people because you can’t get pussy is just about the ultimate form of female pedestalization. It’s putting it so high that you would rather be violent than rejected. And like some of the comments have pointed out, maybe he did need some help, but if he actually internalized the blame and improved himself he could have changed his situation. And he was rich.
This kid is the ultimate reason for theredpill needs to exist, people who haven’t spent more then 2 seconds in here will blame theredpill. Theredpill is about recognizing that women aren’t sacred, and that you can’t change the society around you, you can only change yourself. If that kid had learned that very harsh but true RP lesson he might have never killed those people. But we live in a victim culture, everyone is the victim of external forces, rather than internal.
And of course they’re going to blame guns for this incident. Mmmhmm I guarantee it. Of course it was the gun that went off on its own and killed those seven people. Right. How many school shootings were there between the 1920’s-1980’s. Practically none. And in a lot of instances kids literally brought guns to school to go hunting after. Everyone wants to blame guns and take the easy way out, but no one wants to admit that our very culture is fucked up and depraved. It’s a wonderful scapegoat, oh you want gun rights and 2nd amendment, you obviously want more people to die.
it’s not the manosphere, it’s that the most pathetic human beings come to the manosphere or 4chan or generally are internet regulars or addicts. At least the fat ones buy a fedora, play mmos and are too anesthetized from estrogens to go crazy, but the majority of psycho shooters without a plan like great Breivik (respect) were all into manosphere and pua, since they couldn’t get laid, number one reason why one comes to the manosphere in the first place (social retardation –> internet abuse –> manosphere). inb4 butthurt
You just blow in from stupid town?
Any more dumb stereotypes you’d like to troll us with?
Name one psycho shooter who was into the manosphere. Name one.
Also, Breivik respect.
Why do the Americans love their guns so much?
Before it was incase the government wanted to take over…but now, sorry if the government wanted to take over you wouldn’t stand a chance.
The guns in reality are to protect yourselves from each other. A country which held so much promise…is quickly slipping. So much hatred…no wonder people are going on killing sprees.
Actually, so many violence inducing psychotropic drugs being given to young men.
And yeah, we stand a chance. I have a 110+ million man army behind me that looks and dresses like “everybody else” and who lives near and by the police and military folk. They have a 1.4 million person military, wear uniforms and are easily identifiable, and a good 3/4 of the non-general staff types are on our side ideologically. I’ll take a 110:1.4 odds call any day of the week plus Sundays.
The state of Pennsylvania has over 1 Million registered deer hunters alone – think snipers – so PA alone could seriously ruin a tyrants’ day.
Aye. Ohio has rampant gun ownership as well, millions of folks armed here, and well over 500k that are “licensed” to conceal carry alone, not to mention the non-CHL hunting crowd and open carriers. Disarmament is a leftist pipe dream and one I enjoy mocking with impunity, heh.
Wow you guys are mental!
No wonder you are against stricter gun laws…none of you would be allowed to carry! If they ran a psychological/mental assessment they’d find you are all deranged and very dangerous.
Just keep your crazy in the US.
Wow, look, name calling. How novel.
I open carry nearly daily btw. Hope that gives you big honkin’ nightmares. heh
There’s the cultural difference we are talking about – you guys roll over and play dead in the face of dictator and we’ll fight one tooth and nail. I believe that was called WWI and WWII.
Deranged need I say more.
Yup. You are mental. Thanks for the stupidity. We could always use a laugh.
Wow, that’s a lot of deer hunters. Impressive.
If I recall correctly, that’s the same state where The Great Leader said we cling to our God and our Guns.
Just googled and found it.
That guy really does think that religion, gun ownership and a sensible immigration filter are merely a consequence of “bitterness”.
Well I’m German, atheist, mathematician, entrepreneur and my company will soon be big enough to expand to the US, which I’m very excited about. Not because I pay less taxes there, I probably don’t.
But in Europe most people think like your president, and my heart lies a thousand times more closer to people who desire to be free.
Need a Network Architect or PSD guy?
I will need developers first and foremost.
What’s PSD?
Personal Security Detail
Ah. I hope not, but who knows…
Oh the same army that was supposed to descend upon the White House in Spring?
That’s frightfully scary. But a nice bioweapon will take care of you quite quickly. Biological warfare is what will happen.
Yeah, they’re going to bioweapon 1/3 of the population. Sure. How would they target only us (is there a “gun owner gene”)? We need to keep this out of the realm of science fiction to have a serious discussion.
The DC thing wasn’t organized or accepted by most gun owners, since there’s no point to it at present. It was a fringe thing at best.
Oh am I talking with a climate change denier?
This isn’t science fiction. Biological warfare is it. It’s scary you have a right to be scared.
Yeah, there’s *another* nutwhack doing it again…
You didn’t answer my question. You know why? Because you can’t.
I know biological warfare exists…I am shocked it hasn’t been used. Using biological weapons can be used to kill or control. My guess is it’s a LAST resort.
You still haven’t answered my question.
Here’s why: You can’t.
They wouldn’t target you specifically.
They would target everyone.
And only those who conform will be ‘saved’.
It’d help if you understood the basis of biological weapon use.
And how would they know who to target? You think it will be two uniformed forces sitting in a field squaring off? Seriously?
Secondly, former military here with NBC training and experience; your condescension only makes dealing with you more entertaining.
You’re engaging in fantasy. Sure they can gas a few people here or there, try to poison a water supply, try to spread some bug (which is indiscriminate, which gets back to my “how do they know who to target” question that you’re avoiding), but end of the day they have to come home to their families, which coincidentally are located in the same neighborhoods where we live.
Oh, right, forgot to mention, a vast swath of us are former military. We know how to pick up those canisters and throw them back, and we know how to effectively filter things like water. Dang.
Your fear tactics don’t work, sorry.
Wow you know nothing about war stop embarrassing yourself
Biological warfare is like fire. It doesn’t care who it burns.
Any government that tries that deserves no mercy and whatever it gets.
“Actually, so many violence inducing psychotropic drugs being given to young men.”
Yup. Big pharma is making huge profits off this kind of thing.
Personal arms are an inherent part of American culture and history; we actually fought a war of independence to secure their ownership and possession. B y the way, we still believe that an armed populace is the only thing that prevents real tyranny and more and more of us are starting to believe that the time for the 2AR is not that far away.
You do believe that? Wow…are you dumb?
The US is a powerhouse of weapons. They could DEMOLISH you in a second before you could even load your gun.
Just admit it’s the right to bear arms and kill each other. It has nothing to do with tyranny.
That’s why its taken us years and we still haven’t accomplished anything in Afghanistan. You know, goat herders making improvised explosives out of gasoline and who many of whom are armed with Enfield bolt action rifles.
You’re obviously not up on your COIN/LIC training – an insurgency here would be very, very bad for the government given the degree of industrialization and technology freely available. If the Afghans can defeat empires with Lee Enfield rifles and homemade IEDs, Americans would seriously make mincemeat out of of an occupying Progressive government force.
The progressive grass roots have this deep and abiding faith in the military to wipe us out. Seen it across the internet. Not being shooters themselves or never having actually been in the military they have no context available upon which to draw, they simply put a big ol “FAITH” sticker on their forehead and flash a condescending smug smile.
Well, you notice how those little shits are so eager to murder millions of people who don’t worship the god of government.
It seems to be a theme in their ideology, yes.
And yet they go hysterical when someone is killed by a private citizen. They have made government into a GOD. I people thought the pharaohs were gone? They’re STILL here. Only they don’t worship any one person these days. Instead they worship the institution ITSELF.
“The US is a powerhouse of weapons. They could DEMOLISH you in a second before you could even load your gun.”
That’s how the U.S. military won in Vietnam, right?
Agreed in current state. However, once terrain drones are perfected it’s all down hill from there.
The only way to have drones with that ability is to remove the human element. When it becomes fully automated, we’re *all* in danger.
Progressives fail to grasp that there would be mass resignations and entire units going over to the Patriots – except, of course, folks we encourage to be ‘sleepers’ and stay in their jobs until a needed critical moment.
Nicolae Ceasescu thought the same way.
Look how that ended…
They assume that the military will continue to blindly follow orders in their plans. The trouble with forcing soldiers to fight their own countrymen is that it will have a very negative effect on their morale, making the likelihood of a mutiny a very serious threat to their plans…
As I have mentioned many times, Nicolae Ceasescu of Romania made that fateful miscalculation near the end of his reign, and it proved fatal for him.
They couldn’t defeat the Vietcong, and they even used Napalm on them – basically everything short of nuclear weapons.
You think they’re going to use Napalm on their own populace just because snipers are hiding among them?
“Wow…are you dumb?”
I don’t think he is. Are you?
“Why do the Americans love their guns so much?”
Why do you like getting anal from government so much?
Because leftists have a fetish for being dominated. No longer getting it from their fathers and uncles, they have turned to government to give them the domination and abuse they crave.
Here in Southern Europe nobody kills anyone, and you can’t buy weapons without a fucking PASS. You could just obtain a fucking PASS for self-defense, without having to buy weapons at wall-mart just because you feel that you need to be conservative and blindly follow politics stereotypes just because on the manosphere it is so.
Well then, you should continue to live in southern Europe and leave your nose out of our political policies, eh?
And don’t forget Ghost (I’m sure you remember though) that Stalin, Hitler, Lenin, Mao, and Pol Pot were very anti-gun (unless it was one of their government minions) as well. Look at what happened to their populations.
Correction: Hitler was only anti-gun in occupied territories, with occupied citizens. He had no problem with Germans owning guns.
IIRC, he did have a problem with “undesireables” of german citizenship owning weapons.
you don’t need guns, you are muscular and trained to martial arts
So? The crack head down the road won’t spar with me, he prefers to pull out his 9mm sideways-style.
I determine if I need my guns, nobody else. If you’d come out from behind your anonymous guest status it would lend more weight to your posts.
Don’t tell me what I need. I am trained in martial arts and I own guns.
This is the kinda thing a retarded soccor mom said at Kung-Fu class.
No martial artist can bring down a coyote with his bare hands.
“Here in Southern Europe nobody kills anyone” – really??
I don’t need permission to defend myself.
It’s funny how we Americans are always labeled rude and arrogant, yet people from other countries always talk down to us and tell us what we should do.
And I seriously doubt no one kills anyone in your country. But you have been fed the idea that you live in a utopia.
Must suck to be you not living in a free country.
Since you don’t live in America, why do you care about our politics?
So you are saying only americans can read this site?
Obnoxious much?
I don’t buy my guns at Wal mart. I buy good milsurp and decent quality pieces from reputable dealers.
A white/asian kid who is obsessed with the red-pill and with racist ideation kills a bunch of innocent people with a gun. The conclusions are this site are:
1. men are victims
2. women are evil oppressors who deserved to be killed.
3. more guns.
4. black people are evil.
Y’all are a bunch of really rational people.
…and you’re on RoK for what reason? It’s not like the biases here are exactly a secret.
Have you ever watched a psychotic homeless person act out on the Street because it’s so weird and funny?
Well, that’s all I feel when I read these completely delusional comments here: psychotics acting out but funny to see.
So now we see that not only didn’t you know his back story, but you also like watching mentally ill homeless people for amusement.
Are you straight from HuffPo or did you stop as DailyKOS first?
did that touch a nerve?? I bet the “that dude is pscyho!” is a familiar look to you:)
A normal reaction to stupidity always “hits a nerve”. It certainly it’s my idiot detector.
Just reporting on what you wrote. You say you find mentally unsound homeless people funny. That’s a very bad mark on your character, if you’re not aware. Do you also stop at traffic accidents which have dead people, point then laugh? Same mindset really.
Anyway, it’s clear you are only here to troll. Slainte.
Actually he was anti-PUA. He was a prolific poster on PUAHate, which is anti-red pill.
You didn’t know that, did you? Heh, rhetorical question, you didn’t. You came here to smear and call names with clear collectivist overtones (blaming the group as a whole for comments of specific individuals). Great job skippy, you make doing this easy!
He was obsessed with the Redpill – so much so that he spends hours writing on a forum about it. You apparently don’t understand the definition of the word “obsessed.”
He was anti-red pill, where your comment was hinting that he was “one of us”. Don’t play word games with me dude, you’re out of your league.
Wow, we are seeing some elementary school reading comprehension in grown men here.
To detect nuance in speech and writing, softly implying but never stating something, is a hallmark of the literate. We call it “reading between the lines”.
By that definition the feminists are obsessed by the redpill, his big-government utopian fantasies also come from that direction
You’re wrong on basically every count. Start with looking up what red pill philosophy actually is
The number one reason is the myth that nobody ever did any harm to these young men.
I’ve written about this on here before, but it bears repeating.
A report from the Department of Justice published last year shows a 39 percent drop in gun related murders over the last 20 years, and a 69 percent drop in gun crime overall.
Despite this, gun ownership has gone up.
The vast majority of gun crime in this country is committed by gangsters. These gangster do not walk into pawn stores, fill out the paperwork and go through the FBI background checks. They get their guns illegally, usually stealing them. I’m not sure if gun control proponents know this or not, but theft is already illegal in all 50 states. If you factor out these gang killings, gun crime in the U.S. drops to European levels.
Most Europeans countries don’t have a gang culture, which is why they have low crime rates. The U.K., on the other hand, has a gang culture within it, and that country has the highest crime rates of the European Union.
When it comes to rifles, FBI data shows that they are used in a fraction of crimes. Bludgeoning instruments are used far more often.
Gary Kleck, a far left criminologist, found that guns are used up to 2.5 MILLION times a year in self-defense in the United States. But only inbred rednecks believe in defending themselves. It’s racist to want to do so.
There have been many shootings that have been stopped by armed citizens. You can look them up if you don’t believe me.
Preach! I’ve personally defended myself by having a gun on me before(didn’t have to pull the trigger), I know the value they have
Well, then you must be a racist. You should have waited ten minutes for the police to come and save you, slave!
Americans love shooting people! Don’t you dare take their guns away!
In the 1970s and 80s we closed down all the mental hospitals where most of these people would have ended up before they went on killing rampages. At about that time we also decided that divorce was a good idea, and now we even celebrate single motherhood.
This confuses me because whereas there is conclusive evidence that divorce is highly negative to children, with consequences of millions harmed, we do nothing about it. But absurdly aggressive child safety laws on toys, car seats, bike helmets, playground equipment, etc that serve to protect hundreds and some cases tens of children, we scream child abuse over noncompliance.
Feminists use the ”think of the children” argument very often in their rhetoric. But feminists never think of the children, feminists think of the mothers.
If feminism can be linked to have a negative impact on children we could shame them to no end with their own strategy.
Awesome article. I was wondering if RoK was ever gonna have a piece on gun control. Free men don’t ask permission to bear arms
Also, here’s what I don’t understand about feminism-
Guns are the great equalizer, allowing smaller, weaker people to protect themselves against bigger, stronger people. So guns are literally the only effective protection that women have against men trying to kidnap or rape them. But feminists are typically against guns. So they’re basically promoting rape and promoting women being defenseless. Lol
They have the deranged idea that government can “end crime”, that they shouldn’t have to worry about it or do anything. If they weren’t so mentally muddled they’d realize that someone like Rodger who wanted the government to “make sex illegal” was one of their own.
Any policy honestly interested in reducing gun-related violence would include federal legalization of drugs. Also, with the growing proliferation of 3-D printers, any gun control measures will fail miserably.
With the advance of 3d printers, anybody arguing for antigun laws is arguing in bad faith. Rather than debating them, destroying them economically is a better use of your time. Purge the antigunners from their jobs.
Let me tell what I really feel.
I think that in the wake of the Elliot Rodger’s shooting, a lot of fem cunts journalists, white knights journalists, pro-fem manginas journalists/bureaucrats will be trolling RoK in order to provoke negative statements from regular readers here. The idea would be start a hate fest of words which would actually hurt us, even though red pill does not promote violence. Any violent or hate filled comments from readers to these trolls would only serve as twisted “evidence” in the hands of these people who’d use to start a campaign to shut down this site. If you ever feel the need to reply to any of these trolls, simply browse through the internet or this site to post an article to backup your rebuttal. Don’t waste time arguing with these people, because any negative or curse statement that you’d say to rebutt this idiotic trolls could backfire against RoK. Take it easy, and identify these trolls’ comments as provocation. They’re stupid, irrational and can’t be argued with. Just post your rational rebuttal with a proof, and if the troll persists in bugging you, just ignore them, because they’re beneath you in rationale. Identify the trolls, and report them by flagging their comments. Use discretion, gentlemen. They will try to shut down this site. We must not fall for their bait of provocation.
haha, that’s why I enjoy ROK comments. They are mostly by men, intelligible and make sense.
Rule #1 on web debates, once you come from an emotional place instead of a logical place you have lost. The main goal for trolling is baiting your marks to lose composure.
I cannot wrap my mind around the thinking, espoused by many “progressives”, that law-abiding citizens should give up their rights to defend themselves from violent criminals. I’m not advocating that everyone should carry a pistol– clearly many should not. But criminals do carry and use weapons, legal and illegal. Just like they use cars, legal and illegal. I bet even gun control advocates themselves don’t really think gun control would really stop violent crime. Here’s the test: ask a gun control advocate if he would include the police in his gun ban. Unless he answers “yes”, it’s because he knows the police will still need guns despite any ban because criminals will continue to have an use them.
This past weekend in my town someone was killed and several injured by a drunk driver. I don’t hear anyone calling for cars to be banned. A gun, like a car or a knife or a screwdriver, is simply a piece of equipment. It can be used for good or evil. It is the person wielding it that deserves our scrutiny and skepticism.
The combination of serotonin reuptake inhibitors and guns is deadly. This guy was in therapy since age 8 ,and I guarantee on and off these big pharma happy pills. My condolences to the family of the innocents. The bread and circus of mass media will blame the NRA and gun nuts. More lies. No spiritual or ethical rudder, lack of parental guidance, and sometimes people are evil and batshit insane.
Humans always find a way around. Ban rocks and humans will just use their hands to kill.
does switzerland have gun control? nope, guess what its the safest place in EU maybe the world
You’d think after another killing spree prefaced by “Oh yea, and the perpetrator had XYZ syndrome and forgot to take his meds the night before and oh we have no nut houses to put these people because doing so would be discrimination against such a fine group of people” they’d learn to connect the dots to something else. But it always has to be the guns fault…
At the end of the day, there’s nothing they can do about guns.
You want them? Molon labe, bitches.
How the Gun Nuts Try to Excuse Away the Santa Barbara Slaughter—and Why They’re All Wrong http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/05/27/how-the-gun-nuts-try-to-excuse-away-the-santa-barbara-slaughter-and-why-they-re-all-wrong.html
We know you’re not arguing in good faith (3d printers and HBD has put the final nail in the antigun coffin), it’s only a matter of time before we start pulling the Brendan Eich treatment on you. After all, we counter-purged Adria Richards.
First off, we can agree on one thing: There are stupid people, mentally deranged people, and people not suitable for the masses in our world.
That’s about all we can agree upon.
According to FBI data for 2013 for the US deaths due to:
Handguns 6,220
Rifles 323
Shotguns 356
Other guns 97
Firearms, type not stated 1,587
Knives or cutting instruments 1,694
Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.)
496 Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.) 728
I am a staunch 2nd amendment supporter. I also believe that when the US constitution was created, it was created to bend to the times… unfortunately the NRA has carved out a very loose interpretation of the “right to bear arms” thanks to our ultra liberal way of buying our politicians.
There is a balance between the right to defend oneself, and the right to bear arms. I don’t need a 100 bullet clip on a semi-automatic gun to defend myself. I may need a rifle, and I may need a standard 6-shooter, but I don’t need an Uzi. I don’t need an AR-15.
The argument is made that citizens of the US have the right to defend against our own militia. Do any of us really believe that our militia is out to get us? If you do, you belong in the first category above (the one we agree upon.)
We need to stop these senseless killings. Limiting the type of gun on the street will help, not hurt, our cause.
Your argument about knives vs. guns borders on atrociousness. When was the last time you heard about a killing of mass proportions (Sandy Hook, Columbine, Theater in Colorado, etc) by a perpetrator armed with a knife?. I can’t name one knife killing spree in the US.
I am disgusted.
Most of those gun crimes are committed by gangsters. What about those 2.5 million uses of guns in self-defense?
If you don’t need a gun, don’t get one. As for me, I plan on keeping my AK-47 and I’ll be buying an AR-15, with 30 round magazines, in the future.
But let’s look at those numbers you have there.
Knives or cutting instruments 1,694
Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.)
496 Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.) 728
You know those numbers outnumber the rifle deaths, right? So who needs blunt objects and knives? Unless you’re a baseball player or golfer, why do you need a baseball bat or golf club? If you’re not a chef, why do you need a knife?
Do you know what the worst school massacre in American history was? The Bath Township massacre, in which home made bombs were used. Not a single shot was fired.
Columbine was also performed during the assault weapons ban. It didn’t stop the shooting.
Also, most mass shootings involve handguns, not “assault” rifles.
I already wrote about this on this thread, but I’ll do it again. According to a DOJ report last year, gun crimes have dropped 69 percent over the last 20 years, with a 39 percent drop in gun related murders. Yet gun ownership is at record highs. Go figure.
I’m disgusted with your authoritarian views.
Mass shootings usually involve handguns, not rifles.*
Rifles aren’t used for mass murders, they are usually used for hunting. I don’t have a problem with rifles. I have a problem with fucking NRA members who believe everything they read on Facebook… of course knives are used more often than rifles to kill people… they are much more readily available, they are used in crimes of passion, and they are legal to everyone. I would expect that number to be MUCH higher.
Columbine? Sandy Hook? Yep, nothing to see here… move on, move on… these disasters don’t fit our narrative.
I also believe that when the US constitution was created, it was created to bend to the times…
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So what does “bend with the times” mean? I suppose the notion of a “living” constitution is better than a “dead” one, but what you propose would make the Constitution irrelevant, and would subject us to being governed by the creeping paternalism of fearful paternalism…..
unfortunately the NRA has carved out a very loose interpretation of the “right to bear arms” thanks to our ultra liberal way of buying our politicians.
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Actually, in every instance where we see a “right of the People” in the Bill of Rights, it always means an individual right. Not sometimes, not “loosely”…ALWAYS.
There is a balance between the right to defend oneself, and the right to bear arms. I don’t need a 100 bullet clip on a semi-automatic gun to defend myself. I may need a rifle, and I may need a standard 6-shooter, but I don’t need an Uzi. I don’t need an AR-15.
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I’ll tell you what, I’ll decide what I need, and you decide what you need….
The argument is made that citizens of the US have the right to defend against our own militia. Do any of us really believe that our militia is out to get us? If you do, you belong in the first category above (the one we agree upon.)
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Who knows what tomorrow will bring?
À bientôt,
Mistral
Our government is a pendulum… we swing, overcorrect, correct, overcorrect, correct all day long. We need to overcorrect in a Nanny state from time to time… and then we can settle on sustainability.
If I can’t hunt with a gun, it doesn’t belong in my arsenal. Period.
Bill of Rights is about the rights of the people to live.. not be shot by some stupid mentally handicapped person who bought 50 guns at a gun show to avoid the waiting period, or from a ‘legal’ semi-automatic gun that has 50 round cartridges… Go read it… we need balance and we don’t have it.
We, the people, will decide what you need… and I, part of the people, think we need to nanny state some of these guns out of circulation.
The nice thing is, you smug prick, your opinion about what I need or not is irrelevant. You can’t stop me or anybody else at this point, the gun ownership numbers are far past the critical mass of you being able to control them. Fuck off, you fairy.
Emotional response. You’re right, I can’t stop you via this website, but I can lobby my ass off, try to talk common sense into NRA nuts, and provide grassroots change.
Fairy? I wish I could fairy dust over you and give you some IQ and EQ.
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If I can’t hunt with a gun, it doesn’t belong in my arsenal. Period.
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And that’s fine for you to decide. What I decide should be in *my* arsenal is for *me* to decide, subject to existing law.
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Bill of Rights is about the rights of the people to live.. =====================
It turns out there are some different rights in there that you may not be aware of….
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not be shot by some stupid mentally handicapped person who bought 50 guns at a gun show to avoid the waiting period, or from a ‘legal’ semi-automatic gun that has 50 round cartridges… Go read it… we need balance and we don’t have it.
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You’re becoming increasingly difficult to take seriously. A lot of people believe the “gun show” myth, but the guys who go out and whack people don’t tend to buy their guns at gun shows. The so-called “three day waiting period” is really about killing gun show sales, and is another example of how the anti-gun Left is pursuing gun rights in bad faith. (Incidentally the “waiting period” was formerly called the “cooling off” period b/c only a crazy insane person bent on murder could possibly want to buy a gun….)
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We, the people, will decide what you need… and I, part of the people, think we need to nanny state some of these guns out of circulation.
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I realize that you’re trying to flex some non-existent internet muscles here, but the attitude you display shows the wisdom of the Founding Fathers in terms of enshrine rights in the Bill of Rights. Until you repeal the 2nd AM, you *WON’T* be deciding what guns I ‘need’. It’s just not your business, and that’s how I like it.
In the meantime, after the dust has settled on this particular incident, I hope a second look is taken at what happened b/w the time that Rodger’s parents narc’d him out and the killings. Why wasn’t he kept on an involuntary hold? We’d already be looking at this but for all the shouting about the NRA (who is responsible for the three folks he stabbed? The National Cutlery Association?)
À bientôt,
Mistral
3d printers and continuing advances in such technology has ended the debate on guns. Anyone continuing to argue in favor of gun bans aren’t arguing in good faith. Therefore such a person must be economically destroyed, not argued with.
“The argument is made that citizens of the US have the right to defend against our own militia. Do any of us really believe that our militia is out to get us? If you do, you belong in the first category above (the one we agree upon.)”
You mean the security forces of Pax Americana? You do realize the elites of the West are actively hostile to its taxpayers, right? What do you think, “electing a new people” means, eh?
“Limiting the type of gun on the street will help, not hurt, our cause.”
CONCERN TROLL detected.
3D printers have not ended the debate on guns. Last I checked, it was illegal to print a gun from a 3-D printer.
It’s also illegal to print money, but people do it… but the possibility of being caught is enough to provide diminished return. I am not worried about the 3D printing one-offs as the guns created certainly can’t withstand the incessant heat created by firing multiple cartridges, but I am worried about the AR15 that is killing our future.
We are at the very beginning of what 3D printing will be able to do in regards to firearms and the manufacture of them. I suspect the makers of film cameras felt the same way about digital cameras as you do about 3D printers…. 15 years ago.
I predict that a moderately priced 3D printer with new materials will be able to produce reasonably usable firearms within 10 years.
Making it illegal to print a gun won’t stop people from doing it. People generally make decisions based on a matrix. What is the likelihood of getting caught and how serious are the consequences if you get caught.
Once 3D printing makes it easy to print a gun there will be people who weigh the chances of getting caught to the consequences. It will be serious if they get caught but very unlikely they will be caught so you will see many people doing it.
Good luck banning that….
“There is a balance between the right to defend oneself, and the right to bear arms. I don’t need a 100 bullet clip on a semi-automatic gun to defend myself. I may need a rifle, and I may need a standard 6-shooter, but I don’t need an Uzi. I don’t need an AR-15.”
With a treacherous elite ruling the US and the West (humans will always have elites, it’s preferable to have loyal elites), not only does the American taxpayer need an AR-15, he should get some body armor with rifle plates as well.
Oh, the conspiracy theorist idea… yes.. elite running the world.
Do something about it… go get elected.
An AR-15 is a semi-automatic rifle, what’s wrong with owning a semi-automatic? An Uzi is a full auto rifle in its understood configuration, semi-auto clones are not true Uzis. Even then, in what universe is owning full auto wrong, and second, do gang bangers go out with AR-15’s and Uzis, or handguns?
Second, we don’t “have a right to defend against our own militia”, where in the hell did you come up with that nonsense. We ARE the militia. You, me, every able bodied male over the age of 16, we’re the militia. You’re confusing terms here, you mean the military, and no, it’s not the same.
Third, how will taking my legally and safely stored gun stop criminals who don’t care about laws, precisely? You do know convicts in prison sometimes acquire firearms, so clearly “taking them away” doesn’t really work now, does it?
You can always tell an anti-rights nutter by the now boilerplate first sentence they all use “I’m a staunch 2nd Amendment supporter, but…”. Horsefeathers. Go back to HuffPo.
Oh yes, the age old argument that if I am carrying, I make the world safer. Guess what? You’re wrong. Study the facts… not a single instance of a mass killing spree has been stopped by some NRA member with a gun. Not one. Your argument falls on dead children.
Because all mass killing sprees happen in no gun zones (or highly unfriendly to gun states, like Cali, where you basically cannot carry), idiot.
Go propagandize somewhere else, anti-gunner. Maybe HuffPo will line up some nice manginas that can cheer you on, you flaccid fool.
You are dismissed.
Slainte
Dismiss me like any other logical argument.
It’s called compromise.
ALL mass killings occur in gun free zones? Really?
The most recent attack, in California, “Seven people have been killed in a shooting near a college campus in California, in what authorities described as “premeditated mass murder”. Seven more people were injured, one with injuries police said were life-threatening and required surgery.”
False. In fact, at least 16% of all rampage shootings are stopped by citizens. It should be noted that in all circumstances where citizens intervened the body count was far lower. In some cases this is because they killed or wounded the attacker, in others it was because they forced the attacker to take cover, either way the body count was lower.
You are not pro-2nd Amendment. You can now stop pretending.
We can go with the simple fact that you do not know anything about guns except that they go “Pew! Pew!”.
You seem to have an invective against the AR-15. Is it because it’s long and black? I haven’t ever seen or heard of a 100 round clip for one, but now I think I need one for mine.
There is not a “standard” for how many rounds any weapon can shoot, there are however engineering problems that are either limiting or are difficult to overcome.
I do not know of any weapon currently in production that uses a “clip” the last one that I am aware of was German handgun prior to world war 2. Current semi-automatics are almost all universally magazine fed. Something you should ponder as you speak against “semi-automatics” and “six shooters”, and I will assume you mean a six cylinder handgun is that the “six-shooter” is also by definition a “semi-automatic”.
Most of these lunatics attack directly into a place where they know there are a lot of unarmed people, so they know they have time to kill, literally.
The real answer is to adjust the laws so that when these lunatics start showing psychotic tendencies, they can be dealt with.
BS. read my above story how my buddy and I were confronted by 3 thugs with handguns on a rural southern highway no cell service, late at night. The fact that we had been target shooting and still had AR15’s in our SUV scared the piss out of them and they sped off without a shot being fired. If I would have had just a handgun, it would not have intimidated them and they would have wanted a gun battle. The fact that we both had superior firepower meant that I lived to write this. Happens a hundred times a day across the US.
The first half was a knifing spree with three MEN as the victims.
Guns are a lot like parachutes; if you need one and don’t have one, you’ll probably never need one again.
À bientôt,
Mistral
The fundamental error most make when examining the gun control issue to is assume the progressive leftist movement is actually arguing in good faith when aggressively pushing “common sense” reforms such as expanded background checks. They are not. They do not believe in private ownership of firearms PERIOD. The endgame is the total ban for civilian gun ownership and they even admit this if you really look into it. They are totalitarians and like every totalitarian system of government throughout history their greatest desire is to have a complete monopoly on violence. It is about power and control. So they really have no interest in passing laws to curb mass shootings and they are incredibly deceptive and disingenuous in their arguments which is blatant by their use of ad hominem and strawman attacks against anyone who points out how ridiculous their arguments are.
His own mothers created Elliot. He was a disaster in the making. I’m reposting this here from the other article bc it’s fucking true. His ratchet LBFM floozy mother, Arabic dancing whore stepmother, and quasi faggot ass plugger father made Elliot into what he was. The guy is a god damn tragedy and Christ would probably have a worse punishment lined up for momma lichen and daddy Pete than he does for Elliot. Yellow can Yoko Ono wannabe rotten gook slut Lichen Rogers and her gang deserve to spend every waking moment or the rest of their life penniless and belittled, which they will be. Let’s fingerpoint AT THE REAL MURDERERS, ELLIOTS FAMILY, a real, 21st century dysfunctional MODERN FAMILY(tm).
And let’s be real. Elliot was short. 5’7″. Lots of kids who grow up in that satanic Hollywood environment where half the people cough and jism flies out, grow up tiny, like Frankie Muniz, from all the stress of the psychopaths that live and work there. That pretty much excluded him from 80% of women in California, the most superficial place on the planet. He also grew up under the hellish circumstance of a filthy perverted atheist Hollywood director who blew all of his money trying to prove that god wasn’t real, an asian whore mother who tried to fuck her way and suck every important white dick from San Diego to Hollywood, who later admitted to Elliot that he was a mistake while she was fucking his white daddy and took his steaming load right up her rancid worn out twat that had been pounded by every fat Hollywood Jew for a hundred miles in every direction, and probably looked at Elliot and hated him since he was a reminded of how she could never be white. Then there was his demented whore stepmother who allowed her filthy Moroccan forest of an anus and crotch be plastered all over the fucking internet by his degenerate Tarantino wannabe, crazed redneck-Jew of a father, who completely ignored Elliot and probably viewed him as a desperate chink clinger on. The kid was fucked from the start from this insane, racist, psychopathic, entartete kuntz, backwards American country we dare to ask god to bless. Elliot was America in a nutshell and his parents deserve to never work again for what they did to that poor fucking child.
Six people were murdered and may god bless their souls. But his parents should be thrown in jail, the women in his life were primarily responsible being the narcissistic blood suckers that they were, and the entire Rodger family deserves to burn in hell for eternity.
Lance, back me up here.
They should also ban cars since they killed 34,000 people in 2012 in the US alone. Its a horror show. And of course, Rodgers used this lethal weapon on two of his victims.
What many people fail to realise is that “banning” guns is not actually banning them. Its making a decision about who has the guns and who doesn’t. It has been estimated that 500 people are illegally killed by police in the United States every year. There are tens of thousands of paramilitary raids on American homes every year. Such raids have been conducted on farmers selling unpasteurized milk to people who wish to purchase it. And such raids were perpetrated on innocent people in Boston without warrants. People who wish to remove guns from the population at large should consider if they trust the paramilitary forces with them.
I object. Strict gun control will indeed curb deaths. To all the Americans, pull your heads out:
Australians are some of the biggest sheep around.
They are just as bad as Swedes…
You are full of shit and don’t know what you are talking about. showing some Liberal fag on the Stewart show as a reputable source? Read the truth from THE source compiled by FBI statistics, John Lott’s “More Guns Less Crime, then get back to us Americans.
15 years ago a buddy and I were driving on a rural highway late at night on the way to the Atlanta airport to catch an early flight for Vegas, no cell phone service so if there is an issue, we were on our own. and wouldn’t you know it, A Blacked out BMW pulls up beside us, waves a handgun at us to pull over. Little did the bad guys know we had been target shooting with our AR15’s the day before and we had them in the back of our SUV with 4-30 round mags loaded. My buddy was driving and I instructed him to pull into the center median, keep the high beams on,and I reached back and chambered the mags into both weapons. Two black guys and a white guy get out of the BMW while we are already out of our SUV high beams pointing at them and walk towards us casually slow. We are laying on the ground in the prone position with both our doors open. They cannot tell where we are due to the high beams being on. They are approx 50 feet away from us when One guy says”mother fuckers we gonna take all ya shit” My buddy stands up, walks with his rifle pointing at them in front of our lights and says “come and take it bitches” all 3 bad guys tripped over each other running back to their car and peel away. I told him to never do that again, and he just says that he didn’t want punks to fuck up our trip to Vegas. we get back into the SUV and just continue on like nothing happened. Two more people Saved by superior firepower without firing a shot that will never make the news that happens a hundred times a day in the US.
I’m Canadian, and to be honest it’s embarrassing how dense of a people we are. The sheep-like mentality of many Canadians is apparent when their comments consist of looking down on Americans whenever some huge tragic event happens there (as if we’re somehow superior/can’t happen to us/etc.), while lacking gratefulness to the U.S. in the vast amount of ways they benefit us (military, trade, etc.). It is truly pride-depleting to see that bratty, childlike mentality is so wide-spread in my nation. I don’t understand how most Canadians (the out-spoken ones anyway) don’t seem to value being legally allowed to defend oneself using weapons – instead they want the state to grant them permission (yes, you read that right, permission) to be able to do so – but not without jumping through hoops. The populace here is like a bunch of children unable and unwilling to protect themselves, while being too afraid of offending others (unless they’re conservative, Christian, straight, male and/or American of course).
I am a Canadian too and I agree with what you said.
Guns are easy, relatively, to obtain, and their ability to kill is limited compared to certain other methods. Take away guns, and the psychos of the world will use something else. Sure, some will use knives, and do less damage. Others, however, will just find more creative ways of killing, many of which can be far more effective in building up a body count. You can’t legislate a defense against a dedicated lunatic, they’re always going to find a way.
Gun Control encourages mass-shootings by ensuring that it is a low risk, high-splash, activity. Long ago I was in a Mall where someone pulled out a gun and claimed he was going to “kill you all”! Two shots rang out – he was down from two different people who decided not to wait for the body-count. That is called deterrence, and is the best way to ensure a safe populace. And armed people, is a SAFE people. Plain and simple – if you want these types of killing spree’s to end. allow everyone to carry.
Heck, you can look across the US, everywhere with strict gun-control laws have very high murder rates – why? Because there is no risk. Yet in places where everyone can carry the rate of crimes with gun is much much lower. Gun control leads to higher-crime… Plain and simple…
I agree with you about your notion that more legal guns = less crime. However, I am not so sure which came first in the areas with high crime and high gun control. There may used to have been lax gun laws in the Chicagos and the DCs and the Detroits until the savages started killing each other based on a red or blue T shirt. Some populations like those in the Middle East and Africa fall apart with democracy and require a strong dictator to instill fear in order to maintain relative order. I believe there is similar methodology being put in to laws in our urban hell holes.
I love guns. I hate gun violence. I love self defense stories. I think I’m going to watch the video of the old guy in the web cafe get after the two robbers.
Except that in places like the inner cities, it was the government’s own programs and activities that caused these places to become so out of control. You don’t need to look any further than them to see what the outcome of teenage boys running around with no fathers are capable of.
Really, you witnessed that yourself? When was that? Do you have a link to some news entry?
Gun laws are just make work projects for the local wannabe gun smuggler and the police who hope to get more OT chasing him. Same as the pot laws.
The only people who are really worried about the easing of the current pot prohibition laws are pot farmers in Mexico and British Columbia, the drug cartels who smuggle and sell it, the prison owners and guards who jail the offenders and the DEA and other police who chase the offenders (and confiscate their money and possessions). All of them are about to be put out of work and lose a lot of income and wealth.
Al Capone would not have risen any higher than a glorified mugger if it hadn’t been for alcohol prohibition. The same logic applies to stricter gun laws.
It gets better. Some bonehead on Mother Jones put up two pro-gun-control articles (the second one a rebuttal to an NRA rebuttal), and in both he tried to claim that gun owners have never prevented a mass shooting, linking to a bogus “study”. Uh, what? I’ve read several news articles where a nut with a gun was taken down by a citizen with concealed-carry. But you can’t fix stupid/leftoid, I guess.
Gun control is man control.
Like my good old down home Pappy used to say-
If they’ve got your gun then they’ve got you.
Brutally accurate truth.
They just cant stand that the peasants could have any possible means to resist their NWO Bilderberg bs.
Except, look at the UK. And look at
Remember he also rammed a biker, so we need to ban cars too.
Humans will always devise new, and more efficient methods for killing.
Where once the bow and arrow was to replace the sling as an instrument of death, as the cannon replaced the ballista, as the howitzer replaced the trebuchet and the tank replaced cavalry. humans will find ways to kill each other given enough motivation and ingenuity.
In fact with the right mindset almost anything can be a weapon given the proper application. banning guns, knives and anything seen as an “obvious” weapon will not stop people doing harm to one another, in fact tighter gun restrictions wouldn’t necessarily reduce the rate of deaths either. Between the black market and things like 3D printers you can make a gun or a knife quite easily and efficiently just as knowledge of chemistry and metallurgy can create other weapons and explosives.
on another note we have to look back to eras of human civilization to now; there are almost AS many things, both tangible and intangible that have lethality to them. where in Ancient Roman times you had War, disease, and a whole myriad of other phenoms, today you have the same (with the addition of vehicular accidents and cancer) just more ways to prevent them from being “lethal”.
And as much as these events are tragic consider to that 500 years before, city-states would go to war on a regular basis (Renaissance Italy), people in general found death as saddening and disheartening as they do now, it was just more accepted as a possible outcome.
You make me ashamed to enjoy firearms.
I like how this article completely ignores the fact that violence is 20* worst in America. Yes it happens everywhere but it still happens 20* more in the US
The article isn’t “ignoring” anything. That’s a red herring on your part. What the article is trying to say is that gun violence will not be solved by gun control, because the factor behind that violence is PEOPLE, not guns running amok under a sense of self autonomy.
As it stands, you can make the case that violence is worse in the US, but how do you measure that violence on par with others? Do you see cases of ethnic cleansing taking place in the world happening as often in the US? No, you dont. Now if you are gauging violence by the sheer individual examples of it, then the case is made there.
It seems that not all violence is the same, and to blame the US for gun shootings is disingenuous, especially given the mass violence the rest of the world is known for.
Really the rest of the world? Are you referring to your gun giving government? Isn’t America supplying Al Qadae in Syria and In the recent past in Lybia? Oh even the great group of Isis is using American weapons. Are you forgetting that America has killed more civilians than any other nation or terrorist organization since world war 2? Even with Russia under Stalin in that list. Regan gave guns to Al Qadae to fight Russia, 87 tons of weapons annually, so don’t act like America isn’t the biggest gun giver in the world. Obama is even giving the mexican drug lords guns. I am saying in the civililzed world, gun violence is 20 times worse in America, but if you want to find some African canable that’s more savage, it wouldnt be too hard some guy that kills 20,000 a year under a gun. Remember I am talking about the civilized world. Like Canada where they only have 500 total murders a year. Where America has 20,000 gun murders alone. England, Germany, France, sweeden, Australia, Switzerland, Denmark, Holland, Italy, Spain, etc etc etc. If you want to put America on the same class as some savage terrorist group that’s fine, I am not bashing guns, I am bashing Americans with guns, in the civilized world, America gun violence and crime in general is 20 times worse, including murder. Look it up, easy to find
I would caution you from using suppositional conspiracy theory as an intended series of facts to debate me with. For the record, most guns are produced outside of the US, in case you weren’t aware.
“Are you forgetting that America has killed more civilians than any other nation or terrorist organization since world war 2?”
I would like a verifiable citation to prove this claim, please.
I don’t necessarily disagree with all of your beliefs, my main disagreement is with the part where you are essentially using the “americans with guns” argument to say that gun violence is somehow worse in America. Look up countries where gun control is the norm, and you will see countries that are plagued with crime and worse than in the US. See for yourself.
I’m Canadian, and I’ve been sick of this holier than thou attitude for a long time as well. I thought we were supposed to have a tradition of conservatism, rather than a childish nah nah nah attitude.