In an age of Tinder hook-ups, fast sex, and general slutty behavior, the notion of a date may appear old-fashioned, almost quaint. Perhaps that’s to do with the word itself, which conjures up images of 1950s teens drinking milkshake at the diner before going to the drive-in.
But whatever you choose to call it, make no mistake, you’re going to need to know how to interact with a girl you’ve only just met in a one-one-one situation. However archaic dating may seem, even in today’s world it’s pretty much unavoidable.
Why you need to know
Put it this way: in very few circumstances are you likely to meet a girl who will have sex with you without any preliminary conversation at all. Even if you meet her in a club and end up banging in the bathroom, you will almost certainly have to take her to a quiet corner of the venue to chat her up out of earshot of her friends first. This is effectively a mini-date.
When you meet a girl on the street, you will likely need to take her somewhere – perhaps for a coffee or a drink – before bringing her back to your place. But on many occasions the decision will be taken out of your hands, as the girl will demand some sort of meet-up to “get to know you better” after your initial approach before she will even countenance the thought of sleeping with you.
A lot of guys get sore about this and go on a tirade against girls, accusing them of leaching on male resources. While there are undoubtedly a great many goldiggers out there – who you should avoid at all costs – it’s not unreasonable that girls should have the opportunity to find out whether or not you are a serial killer or a fat-assed beta chump before offering up the punani prize to you.
Make no mistake, though – when you go on a date you are on trial. What you must not do is fall into her frame – the one where you are positioned as the seller before her buyer. Instead you must seize the impetus and direct the date according to your best interests.
What men and women generally want from dates is not so much opposed as temporally mismatched. Generally speaking, she wants to find out if you are a “good match,” and whether or not you “connect.” Generally speaking, you want to bang. But she won’t necessarily be in a hurry to get naked, so you need to develop a strategy.
Most important is that you adopt the right mindset. You should go on every date with the intention of closing the deal – that is, having sex with the girl – that night. Why? Girls have multiple options, and only after you’ve fucked her will you be anything less than a speck on her radar. If you don’t make it happen that night, then there’s a good chance she’ll be lining up her next Tinder bang on the way home, and you’ll never see her again.
You should therefore be absolutely prepared for sex, carrying condoms, and cleaning your apartment and your nutsack prior to the meeting. It has been said that each time a woman agrees to go on a date with you she is contemplating having sex with you. Broadly speaking this is true. It is therefore your job not to do anything to fuck it up, and the push the interaction forward through verbal and physical escalation, and via male dominance, all the way to the bedroom.
The following tips are most applicable to the conventional evening date – one that takes place on a separate occasion to your first meeting with the girl –although they also apply in other situations, like daygame “insta-dates.”
Drinks
The first date with a new girl should always be for drinks – alcoholic drinks, that is. Never take her out for dinner (not until you’ve slept with her, at least) and try to avoid coffee dates. While these can work for building comfort they are anti-seductive and therefore opposed to our purpose of getting laid quickly.
The purpose of taking a girl for drinks is not to get her blind drunk, by the way. Paul Janka recommends you have two or three drinks maximum – partly to keep costs down and partly because on or after the third drink you should be making your move. So intoxication is not the aim here.
But let’s face it, alcohol has smoothed the path for sexual encounters forever. It will relax her and you too (assuming you drink, of course. I don’t, so I just take a sparkling mineral water. A tip to the barman will ensure they’re discreet about the fact you’re on soft drinks.)
A lot of guys get worked up about whether or not you should buy drinks. Ancient game advice states that to do so is supplicatory and therefore beta. While this might be the case in a club when you first meet, I would suggest that on a date scenario it’s slightly different.
For one thing, if you make a big deal about refusing to pay or making her go halves you risk looking socially inept and therefore lacking in value. This is a supreme passion-killer. So don’t sweat it. Put your hand in your pocket.
If she indicates that she’s cool with going halves then great. If not, don’t make a big deal out of it. I’m not suggesting you should lavish her with vintage Dom Perignon, just don’t make an issue out of something that needn’t be.
The date venue
Find a nice lounge to take your girl to – not a noisy pub or frat house. Somewhere that serves cocktails, has booths, and offers waitress service is ideal.
What you need to do is find a couch, or similar, in a relatively secluded part of the venue. At all costs you should sit next to her. Never sit across a table – this is crucial. To do so feels formal, like a job interview, and sucks the erotic tension out of the scenario. What you are aiming for is to be close enough so that you can initiate touching and kissing easily and without having to lean in awkwardly.
What to talk about
The female-centric conception of the date is that its purpose is “getting to know one another,” hence “classic” date topics of conversation are your job, your family, hobbies, etc. What you must do is jettison all of this bullshit and talk about sex instead.
As I said, the purpose of the date is to end up having sex with her that night. Therefore you should make every effort to eroticise the conversation from the outset. This can be a lot of fun for both of you, and it will position you as “one of those guys” – an r-selected alpha male who isn’t looking for anything serious, but whom she can bang without fear of your subsequent neediness or other negative consequences.
When I say talk about sex, what I don’t mean is that your opening gambit should be asking her what her favourite position is. That’s creepy. What you should do instead is use double entendres, and deliberate misunderstanding of what she says to plant jokey references to sex that become more overt over the evening. This is a skill that you will develop, and it will become easier as you do so.
I interpret almost anything a girl says as sexual. It doesn’t matter how lame it seems – if you do it with confidence she will giggle and start to view you as a viable sexual prospect.
An example might be as follows. Say she says she needs more ice in her drink. I would raise my eyebrows, shoot her a naughty look, and say “I bet you like ice, don’t you?” When she says yes, I’ll then wink and say “where?” Or if she comes in from the rain and complains about being wet (an open goal, of course), I’d shoot her that same wink and say “oh really?”
There are countless examples of this. You just need to adopt a dirty mind. It’s very simple – essentially schoolboy humour – but if done with panache it raises the conversation from the banal, lending it an erotic fizz, and positioning you as a sexual guy who knows what he wants and is probably good in the sack.
Touching
Anyone who’s read The Game will know about kino – the art of touching to sexualise an interaction. This is absolutely essential on a date, and you should begin doing it as soon as she arrives.
Without hyperbole, the use of touch was the single most important revelation that accelerated my game beyond anything I’d thought possible.
Don’t touch in a sexual way – not at first, anyway. Instead, touch her on the lower arm, embrace her, grab her shoulders to make a point. After you’ve been with her for a while you can start resting your hand on her thigh and touching her hips.
One thing that is very effective is handholding. You’ll be amazed how quickly you can take a girls hand on a date. I’ve done it literally in the first five minutes. Once you’ve done that – and before you’ve even kissed – you’ve made the romantic status of your interaction overt. This is key – there’s no way she’s going to friendzone you now. If she pulls her hand away then don’t worry – just carry on talking and try again a few minutes later.
Kissing
As with handholding, you’ll be amazed how quickly you can kiss a new girl on a date. Don’t wait for ages and make it awkward – go in as soon as there’s a small pause in the conversation and you’re just looking at one another. Put your hand gently on her cheek and pull her towards you as you bring your lips to hers.
Many guys get scared about what to do if she turns her head away. The answer? Don’t worry about it, just carry on talking and try again in a few minutes. I’ve had girls turn their heads on me four or five times during a date before they’ve finally kissed me passionately. You will always encounter resistance. Remember, confidence is attractive. The alpha male is charming but persistent, and temporary rejection (which weeds out the betas) doesn’t phase him.
If a girl turns her head I normally say something like, “Sorry, my mouth slipped.” Then I leave it for a while and try again. In the majority of cases she will admire my persistence and accede eventually.
Passing Shit Tests
Head-turning is a form of shit test, as are statements like “You’re a player, aren’t you?,” “Does this normally work?,” “You’re not as smooth as you think you are,” “I bet you do this with all the girls,” and so on.
When hit with any of these, the advice is always the same – smile, ignore, and persist. If a girl tells me I’m not smooth, I’ll say something like “Yeah, It’s great isn’t it?” and then just carry on. The same goes if she says “It’s not going to happen tonight.” Just ignore it and proceed with what you’re doing anyway. Chances are she’ll change her mind later on.
Closing
After two or three drinks, some sexy banter, touching and kissing, you’re ready to take her home. The best way to do this is simply to grab her hand, say “let’s get out of here” and lead her to a cab. If she asks where you’re going, say “on an adventure.” If you really need to explain, just say you have a great DVD to show her. “Going home to watch a DVD” is universal code for sex, so she’ll get what’s up and in most cases will be happy to go along with it.
If she does resist at this point then that’s fine – arrange to meet her another time. Just realise that if she doesn’t come back with you that night then you may have done something wrong earlier on, and your chances of seeing her again are severely reduced.
Read More: 7 Tips for No-Strings Sex
Good article. The trick is if you wanna make your move, you gotta play it cool.
-eye contact
-deep yet smooth voice
-keep the convo. about her and drop some hints
-overtly flirt with her
-don’t put too much heart into it and make it look like you don’t have a single care in the world (confidence)
I’m meeting up with a girl at a latin club this weekend. I’ve had success pre-ROK in the clubs. However, this will help fine-tune my game. Especially because she’s the “Strong” and independent” type we all adore.
The article is good. I can logically deduce that.
But the entire endeavor strikes me as tedious. Don’t go by my example. I’m just a spent shell casing on the ground in the battlefield. I’ve been married, I’ve been Captain SaveAHo, Captain Cuck, etc. If I never get laid again till the end of my days I could care less. There are no women left in this world (in the pure sense of the term).
pick yourself up, gent
yeah watch a movie at your place, sometimes means just that. some girls are so naive.
With regards to the “are you a player?” question – Dr Robert Glover, (author of No More Mr Nice Guy) says that every woman who has asked him that question has slept with him within 48 hours of asking it. So if a woman asks you that, it’s a good sign 😉
When a woman asks you if you’re a God, you say YES
All these things they ask like that are ways to rationalize slut remorse. They will be intrigued but as long as you’re in the drivers seat, then a girl will think of it as “it just happened” and using the benefit of not being accountable for their actions. Women will willingly take the bait but put the blame on anything she can think of as to not take responsibility for her actions. The trick is to cuddle her/ pillow talk/ post coital bonding after you had sex so as to not let slut remorse set in. Hopefully she’ll feel good about the experience and come back for more if you didnt make her feel cheap…and she was hot.
If you bang her on the first date, it doesn’t reduce the chance she’s going right back to tinder. She’ll just say with one date there’s not enough history to take down her profile, that was just a hook up for fun etc.
Still….at least you got laid, right?
I’d appreciate some more info in the area of ‘what to talk about’…I know that the job/family stuff is a passion killer, but it can be very easy to fall back into that pattern.
Oh and whilst on paper the idea of being so outwardly sexual off the bat makes me cringe, I must admit that my successes with women, the times when I got the hottest sex as quickly as possible, where when I did just that. I guess it’s the fear of rejection that stops me always doing that – but then playing it safe is a guarantee of getting nowhere…..or the dreaded friendzone if you’re lucky.
Just let her talk about herself, that’s what they want to do anyways.
Yeah pretty much…
I’ve ruined some solid opportunities where I should have just shut the fuck up.
A Polish immigrant I used to work with would always tell me to keep my mouth shut and my eyes and ears open. That is true in most situations, especially at work.
Most “decent” girls won’t bang on the first night but I’m sure they had in the past. If you don’t bang by the 3rd date she’s out.
Spot on.. If she is not, then her interest is $$.
Unless she pays every other date or for herself
But even then, only if she’s hot. When you’re with a hot chick other hot chicks want to fuck you.
I use semi-hot girls to snare hotter girls. Just go up to one and start dancing. Then let her go back to whatever she was doing and go stand by the bar and wait. Sure enough one or two “hotties” will coincidentally come up to where you’re propped and order a drink. Happens a lot. And the good thing is you can keep trading up (no more than 3 times per pub per night, though). Dance with the hotter ones then go back to the bar and wait for round 3.
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Says it all right here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wASPTV5itlk Leykis 101 http://www.blowmeuptom.com
this is a great one too https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUiBsi4HJeY
Tom Leykis definitely speaks some Red-Pill but I have some trouble believing that a fat fuck like him is out there playing the ladies.
Anyone can confirm this guy talks from experience?
Maybe he’s just an observer LOL
No idea about Leykis but as an older guy banging young women, and them being worried that I might dump them, I can tell you that it is eminently possible. A guy can look like he breaks legs for a living (raises hand) can succeed if he has solid steel frame and good game.
he’s a millionaire, steven tylers no looker, but he’s rich, look at all the ugly and fat guys that are rich so they get hot girls, thats how it works
he even talks about how different things were from before and after he was successful when it came to women in this segment it’s pretty funny https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t26RhY_WQqM
he talks about this in this segment its pretty funny, the before and after of his money https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t26RhY_WQqM
“I’ve never been this funny in my entire life.”
“You’d be amazed how smart I’ve got since I’ve become successful.”
“Somehow since becoming successful I’ve become the greatest lover every woman has ever had.”
What I like about his approach from listening to this speech is that he acknowledges that he isn’t actually some incredible new person but rather success gave him the freedom to be himself.
Interesting listen.
Most don’t. Take all advice with a grain of salt.
The Real Tyler Durton is a tool and can’t fuck 8’s or 9’s to save his life, but if you want to grab tips, go for it (I don’t, though, since he’s an annoying little cunt).
Likewise take the advice of MGTOW’s with a grain of salt. Most of these guys just can’t get laid and are now bitter, blaming it all on women.
I agree 90%. There are so many girls to fuck, that if you can’t get one, you have to bear some of the blame.
Guys who think “girls should just like me for who I am”, are doomed to fail.
You don’t have to do a massive ‘crazy stupid love’ makeover, but you have to at lease pretend to be what they are looking for. And most men, in their natural state, and not what women are looking for.
He was divorced 3 or 4 times. Then he became like this. One wife would wait until he got home from work and vacuum. She liked doing this especially when he watched tv, she’d stand in front of it until he flipped out lol
Yeah I take everything I read on here with a grain of salt.
Until these ideas are field tested they shouldn’t be taken as absolutely true.
Where I find this site’s content most unique though is in the reporting of emerging anti-male legislation.
The whole “Yes Means Yes” thing would have most likely slipped under my radar. I’ve become more aware of how society tries to control men and corral women, and on that aspect I’m inclined to agree.
I do not know, but his confidence comes across. Howard Stern is pretty gross looking, but look at all the hotties who come on his show and drop their panties. RP teaches that women don’t value valuable men.
I listened to some of these posts and he admits it himself… All the sudden women thought he was great once he had money and fame… Even though he was exactly the same person underneath it all.
Not even he was arrogant enough to say it was just a coincidence.
Lolz. Hi Floyd 🙂
Like a bridge to nowhere, he has missed the point. Which is – we can all get laid here, but often it isn’t worth the effort.
Free tip – for every benefit, there is a cost. Shocking, right?
Tylor, is that you? How’s life down there?
Apparently he’s a multi millionare and a well know radio personality and socialite where he lives. I don’t find it hard to believe that money, status and fame bring him the poon despite his lack of physical appeal.
He’s rich. That probably has a lot to do with it.
Wow, some great advice here.
#1 Shut up on dates and let her do the talking.
#2 Get her drinking shots / liquor
#3 spend as little as possible on a woman (ideally zero)
#4 Don’t date single mothers–no exceptions
#5 Don’t stay over–split after bang
#4 is wrong. Tom is loaded so he’s wary of provider-seekers (imo). Single moms are a thousand times better than your typical childless 33+ liberal white woman.
Mangina detected!
If you knew that she slept with other guys on the first date and she’s not doing the same with you…..boy oh boy….you are lesser than the others. The question you should ask yourself is “Am I not deserving of that cheap poon?” if you suspect that is what she thinks about you then bounce to the next one!
Not necessarily. Maybe she views you as a beta provider and is using procrastination as a hook. Girls don’t want to fuck their “future husband” on the first night.
Don’t worry about what she did or did not do with other guys. It’s not your problem and actually a little juvenile to give a shit.
That’s just a clue as to where you rank in her mind. Do agree that it is a bit idiotic to freak out about her past.
Unless it involved nappies and acting like a baby. And actually needing to have the nappy changed.
True. I just don’t give a shit about her ranking anymore than Spartacus gave a shit about his ranking in the eyes of Rome.
What about for LTR or potential marriage though?
For bangs and having fun who cares. But if you are looking for a woman to be the mother of your kids and to dedicate herself… Would you really be cool with the idea that she’d do anal with Ronald McDonald and not you?
I wouldn’t be cool with a woman doing anal with anyone.
Its not about being decent, when a woman feels an incredible chemistry its often difficult or impossible to ignore. I would say its more if a girl has no personality or is really boring she wont fuck on the first date. You will probably also regret it when she finally does fuck you *yawn*.
Second date.
Untrue, they either didn’t meet a man who was persistent enough, had slick enough game or are lying.
Decent women will not even have sex within three dates.
Off topic, but is it just me or are the articles today not fitting on your phones? I have to turn my phone in landscape mode to be able to read the articles. I can’t zoom the page in or out.
I am experiencing the same issue.
Landscape not even working. Still going off screen
Same problem here.
Same I have to go into reading view on my kindle to see them and that cuts off the comments.
Yes I have the same issue…it started last night…I emailed whoever the contact page goes to about it but havent heard back yet…I thought it was my phone messing up so am glad to hear its not just me…
Happened to me with one article but not others.
We’re aware of the problem. It’s being worked on.
“I bet you like ice, don’t you?”
That is so cringe-worthy lol it reminds me of this movie (but I can’t remember which one!) where the guy was making all these dumb sexual innuendos out of things that aren’t even sexual
That movie was the 40 year old virgin. He responds to everything the girl says with a weird sexual double entendre. I guess it might work if your not a robot like the character was.
Agreed. This dude must be really smooth and charismatic to make those lines work, with a wink too…
Just this last Saturday I’d organised a threesome over the internet. They both weren’t bad, about a 6-8 depending on your tastes (Phillipino, 21-23, big tits, small waist). Anyway… Oh, this is a 100% true story, zero embellishments… we’d met up, 30 minutes in, I’d already bought one round of drinks and I’d already lightly made out with both of them (you know, 3 second kiss), then I saw this fucking stunner and she gave me solid IOI. So I went straight up and got her digits. Got back to the threesome buddies and they were pissed off. Two minutes later they left. So I left that pub and went to another one. Saw two girls at a table by themselves (4-6’s, depending on your taste), and went straight up and said, “You look like you smoke weed. Wanna get high?” 5 minutes later I took them out of there and straight to my pad where I fucked both, seperately. End of story.
Not sure what the moral is, but that’s fucking ridiculous, organising a 3-some, fucking it up, and ending up having a 3-some (or fucking two girls one after another) on the same night. Seriously, what are the fucking odds?
How do you set up 3 way on the net?
Go for girls who state they’re bisexual. Also helps if you set up your profile to be that of someone who likes sex. Seriously, I answered every question as assholish as possible. e.g. I state I do drugs often, I smoke, I drink often, I hate kids, I hate cats and dogs, I’m strictly non-monogomous. And as for the question of what I spend most of my time thing about? “How I’ve become a dinosaur in this politically correct world. Fuck
the PC brigade. Kill them all, I say.”
And you know what? Most girls love my profile and assume I’m just playing around.
So start hitting on bisexual chicks. Organise a date straight away. Tell them to bring a friend. When they ask why? Say, “For your security in case I’m a serial killer. And, as a bonus, if I’m not a serial killer she can come back with us.” It’s really that simple. Ask and you shall recieve.
Oh, and securing a threesome in a pub is not too hard. You hit on the pretty one and make sure she’s in. Then spend 90% of the time hitting on the ugly one till she’s in.
If you think about it, female friendships are often a symbiotic relationship: hot chick looking hotter than she should because… she’s standing next to an ugly chick who’s meeting more hot guys than she should… because she’s standing next to a hot chick………
Thing is the ugly chick will eventually get disgruntled by always getting the ugly cast-offs while her hot friend fucks the hot guys.
So in you come in, like a knight in shining armor. You pick up the hot chick first, validating her hottness, then she stands back while you boost the confidence of her disgruntled ugly friend so that the ugly friend’ll tag along for many years to come. Seriously, the hot ones often encourage me. And, of course, the ugly chick has a secret crush on the hot chick, so she gets to fulfill two fantasies.
Many bisexual girls wont own up to it, but there are certain strong signs. Being super outgoing, liking men with long hair and be very sexual are the strongest signs I’ve seen.
No. Most bisexual girls wear that label as a badge of honour – even when they’re not bisexual.
I find that the bi ones tend to be hippies or SJW-lite and can be turned off by some PC stuff.
One told me something like “I’m not bisexual, just open-minded” or maybe the word she used was “experimental”.
Then it’s your job to introduce new experiences to her. It’s an open invitation. DO IT!!!!!
Yes, for half of them that is true, but it isn’t an issue, just play it cocky (but playful) and they’ll relent.
Also, good tip, most of them also do drugs. So if you smoke weed or do coke or whatever, that’s your best opening.
That was about 8 years ago. Ended up spending New Years Eve in a hot tub full of lesbians. The other two girls were into each other so I had to make do with “experimenting” on my girl.
I noticed that about the drugs. For better or worse, I don’t partake. They also tend to have other medical or mental health issues.
Yep, they’re often crazy. Known a few who cut themselves. But that’s fine, it’s not an issue, you’re only fucking them for one night.
Except that you traded down, for dubious digits and lesser girls.
Actually I’ve already organised a date for this Friday with those “dubious digits.” And, yes, I traded down… but that’s not the point. Not sure what the point is tbh (as I said already), just was an interesting situation that I didn’t think I’d be able to pull off, and I shared it here (without embellishing shit) for inspirational purposes. Who’s to say I don’t trade up next time?
You know what bro? Fuck that you did awesome. You dont know what the point is, maybe this – You’ve begun devaluing bitches to the point that you effortless walked away from a sure thing threesome with decent looking girls (something only 1 percent of heterosexual men would honestly do) and ended up achieving essentially the same the thing on the same night. I like yer style dude.
Key takeaway from this: women in bars are definitely looking to get laid. dont be timid.
I don’t date or very rarely.
I used to go by the standard game advice that is was beta to pay for drinks on a first date. I would show up to the bar about 5 minutes ahead of schedule, get my drink, pay with cash, and if I purchased any subsequent drink I would pay with cash upon receipt of said drink. This made it clear that she was buying her drinks and I was paying for mine. The system seemed to work fine and i have never question it until recently.
I was running late to one date and it just happened we had two drinks on a tab. I was looking for a fluid bounce to which the date agreed upon and it was just “slicker” for me to pay the check and to bounce then fuss over splitting the check, playing games with credit cards, etc. I didn’t end up closing on the first date, but did on the second. What intrigued me the next morning was that she made the statement “the minute I got into you was when you paid for the drinks on our last date”.
That made me wonder if the old game advice of not paying for drinks might still not be true. Maybe in this ultra-modern age women are starting to view paying for drinks as more of an alpha move. (It does convey some provider aspect as well as a taking charge one too). I would be curious what others have experienced in this realm.
I would buy a drink for anyone I’m meeting – business or pleasure. I’ve never seen not paying for a drink as ‘alpha’ no matter how often I see it.
Someone you are already meeting, yes. Randoms when you are out, NO
OK, I don’t do that. Good point.
Yeah I never buy random chicks at bars drinks. That is clearly beta. Women have jobs and make as much if not more money then men these days. They can afford their own drinks.
agreed. It can be argued that providing ON MY TERMS is in fact rather alpha
I think it means she sees you as just a wallet and is trying to train you early on to spend money on her. In fact, I’m certain of it. I would tell her to come over then fuck her without asking. Make sure she cums. Then ask her to bring you a glass of water (not a beer, or anything fancy, just a glass of water). Then a bit later state you’re hungry and could she pop two slices of bread in the toaster, tell her you’ll butter them. I almost guarantee if she puts the bread in the toaster she’ll butter it when it’s toasted too. Now, here’s the trick: thank her properly. Tell her you appreciate it and give her a small pec on the lips.
Keep amplifying this process. Turn the tables on her and only reward her for doing things for you.
If that doesn’t work, absolutely dump her ass.
As a matter of principle I actually don’t mind picking up the check on occasion when I am out with a girl I am sleeping with. When I do though I make it absolutely known that it is on my terms (as in I decide where we are going/what we are doing) and I get EVERYTHING I want in the bedroom. (If I am feeling like anal bend over a lube it up baby). I find chicks are pretty receptive to the whole scheme. It is a little dash of provider, a little of leader, and it also taps their inner slut.
you should try this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dJP2aCKvb4
From my understanding, you don’t buy a drink in response to her shit test of “Buy me a drink”.
Offering to buy drinks for some random chick you just saw in a bar is a beta move which gets pulled on her every time she goes out. None of those betas get anything out of it. But paying for the bottle of wine after a couple hours of rapport building and escalation during an actual date ..well, that’s a totally different situation. I’d say in fact it works the opposite if she insists on paying at the end of the date. It means she doesn’t want to see you again so doesn’t want to have any sense of obligation towards you. If the date has gone well and she’s clearly ready to go home with you, don’t make an issue out of it. Handle the bill and take her home 🙂
Could have used this a week ago, dammit. Still, checked most of the boxes.
Just read the article. Fairly good advice, apart from the shit-test one. You should NEVER ignore a shit test. Hit it head on. It the most basic terms agree with whatever she says and amplify.
HER: You’re not as smooth as you think you are.
YOU: Fuck! Really? I’ve always had trouble controlling my arrogance, ever since I was a kid, and with all the sex I’ve been having lately, it must have gone to my head.
Bam! Shit test passed with flying colours.
No. You shrug and smirk like you don’t give a damn when she says that, and then you direct the conversation going forward.
Floyd, you’d have better game than you do now if you adopted the MGTOW mentality (not lifestyle, but mentality).
It’s not a fake-dgaf mindset such as “abundance”. It’s a genuine mindset where you really don’t give a fuck.
And it’s not just not giving a fuck about shittests, it’s not giving a fuck about women.
Repeat twenty times after me, Floyd:
validation is for fools
validation is for fools
validation is for fools
etc…
Notice I’m not saying “don’t approach”, or “don’t bother grooming”. I’m just saying you’ll do better if you detach from the “thrill of the hunt”. Practice making small talk and casual jokes around women with NO sexual agenda on your part whatsoever, and you will see what I mean. There will be less effort required on your part and lesser bitch shields on theirs if you do want to pursue her twat. But that’s all it is – a twat.
I get what you’re saying. But for me, maybe it’s the neighbourhood I’m in, but pretty much every time I go on the hunt on a Friday or Saturday I can pull ONS. And I do it with absolute minimum amount of “getting to know you’s.” The last three I fucked (just this last week) didn’t even know my name when they left my apartment. Moreso and I didn’t know theirs, or anything about “what they do, their favourite colour,” or any of that shit.
Is it fulfilling? Nope. It’s just sport fucking. Your dick is a muscle, have 3 or 4 marathon fuck sessions in a row and you’ll see your girth increase, and also your length when you’re not erect.
It depends on the vibe I get from the girl. What I called “zen-sex” is not not giving a fuck but rather clearing your mind and simply enjoying yourself without worrying about getting laid, and thereby getting laid. They will come on to you in many cases and then you can switch tactics one you know you’re in.
Touching on the DVD thing. I always bring up that I’m a film junkie in conversation. There’s a 98% chance she also loves movies, even if there’s only a 20% chance she likes good film. Either way, delving into this for a little bit makes it easier to bring up when you’re closing. Tell her you want to show her that movie you were talking about or just reference your common interest and say “let’s go watch a movie.” It’s more covert than “let’s get out of here,” which is obviously code for “let’s go bang,” even though she knows what’s up.
regarding kino escalation, no young lady will turn down a kiss on the cheek. It is non-threatening and makes any woman cheerful. Tell her decisively in advance that you are going to kiss her cheek, and she will present her cheek to you expectantly. Not infrequently, the girl will turn her head unexpectedly at the last moment to kiss you on the lips, which is her entirely up to her. And, from there, nature will inevitably takes its time-worn course.
It does have that foot in the door sales method but its still kind of feels nonsexual…of course you can also just hover kind of close in that inbetween zone talking in a low voice, so she isn’t quite sure if you are going to or not. Make her think about it long enough and its like you have already kissed her.
Check this out. You treat them like you’re the boss they crumble. I almost feel sorry for her, her final message (which I didn’t bother including) is “Alright. I will wait for you” after I told her, “It’s early in the week, if I don’t get any other offers I’ll give you a call.”
Eh, I’ll re-upload, it’s too small to read… nah, still comes up small.
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Nothing moistens the vagina like telling her she’s plan D (no pun).
Solid game advice as usual Troy.
Has anyone tried playing 70s porn jingles in the background with your iphone while making the sexual innuendos about the ice ?
Nope… maybe can download some of those old Johnny Wadd soundtracks.
What you must do is jettison all of this bullshit and talk about sex instead.
Bingo. Isolate her from the herd and then take her down. And correct to start with double entendres and move on from there.
“You’re a player, aren’t you?,” “Does this normally work?,” “You’re not as smooth as you think you are,” “I bet you do this with all the girls,”
My stock retort here is “Hey, can I help it if girls *like* me?” , although for #3, I might use “Baby, I am the Duke of Smooth”. The goal is to knock back their shit tests. Whatever she throws out, run a bulldozer over it. If it sounds cheesy, that’s ok, you just can’t buckle under on a shit test.
Mistral
I’ve been slowly getting back into the game after a career-hiatus and one thing I think I’m noticing again is that there is a fine line between talking with humorous confidence and coming across as bragging (which comes across as overcompensation).
Bouncing back her shit-tests with confidence is an ace move but talking about how great I am unprovoked doesn’t seem to work as well for me. If I sound at all like I’m bragging about previous conquests or just how awesome I am they lump me into the “player” category and it becomes an affront on their sluttiness, which they will never admit to. Everything has to be subtle and hinted at inadvertently.
It’s all in the presentation. Just come up with an “elevator speech” that has a punchline at the end. IIRC, you are in some kind of hard science field, so for you that would be “I work in a lab studying [lots of complicated sounding words go here]. In other words, I am a mad scientist….”
W/R/T shit tests, you can use “Agree and Amplify”, or flip the script, whatever gets the ball back over the net. A few months ago, one of the 2x22s asked me if “I was seeing other girls”. Now, of course I was (and am), but nobody wants to have that discussion, so I look at her like she said something stupid, and say “I see other girls everywhere”. This really meant “Stop asking me stupid questions,” and that line of inquiry ended.
Remember, their hamsters are going to spin-Spin-SPIN! the wheel and wonder what you really mean, and maybe you ARE seeing other girls and such. “Pre-selection” works in your favor in this in that, if she assume you are, then that must mean b/c other women want you, which increases your value to her.
Smoother than a fresh jar of Skippy.
I think my replies would be…
“You’re a player, aren’t you?,” – Actually, I would consider myself more of a womanizer.
“Does this normally work?,” – Always.
“You’re
not as smooth as you think you are,” – Good. Girls don’t like smooth. Girls like rough.
“I bet you do this with all the
girls,” – Yep, and it never gets boring.
While I like the brashness, I would prefer to deflect the shit-test, rather than give a woman something to continue arguing about, which you are definitely doing with #2 and #3.
depends on the type of girl who is saying it, and how gullible I think she might be.
I would tend to be more brash with a girl, if she is more westernized (I live in Asia). But for a 100% pure local girl, I will just lie.
If it works in the field, then go with it.
Q:”You’re a player, aren’t you?”
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A:”Actually, I am a game designer.”
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Q:”You’re not as smooth as you think you are.”
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A:”Maybe, maybe not but I can be as rough as you want me to be.”
Upvote for #2. Remember, the point is less to be clever for the sake of being clever and more about squelching the shit test….
The thing is, I actually AM a game designer.
Oh. Well, then.
“Agree and amplify” almost always works to bulldoze over shit tests 🙂
If a woman says “it’s not happening tonight” on a date… your chances of it actually happening just went up.
I don’t think it matters if you bang her on the first or second date. I’ve had women make a big display on the first date about how they aren’t that type, and the second date they jump all over me. The only time you might have a missed an opportunity is if you end the first date making out, and she doesn’t then want a second date. But fuck it, there are only about 3 billion women on the planet.
I think you should try to avoid kissing unless you’ve already guaranteed she’s coming home with you that night. Likewise, I wouldn’t hold her hand unless I’ve had some validation she wants to kiss me. Don’t give them any small rewards, hold back and make them earn it.
The problem with that is that most women still wait for you to make the first overt move, and won’t do it themselves even if they are dying to. So if the interaction is going well, I always go for the kiss and let the chips fall where they may. If you manage the interaction well and she’s into you, that should work 90% plus of the time (allowing for other times where you might have failed in pre-screening a time waster). Who dares wins, as they say 🙂
Me too. I was talking theoretically. IDEALLY you should only reward her for good behaviour, but in reality you still have to guide her so she knows what she must do to get your approval.
One told me once: ” I have a guy, and everything is going great”
I wondered: “why did you come to my place 2 hours after I called you?”
I didnot pay attention, and started kinoting… she was very kinky about where I should kinote her. That’s what I did. With my fingers, then, with my dick.
Sort of true. But if she says, “You’re such an asshole!” That literally means: you’ve got her wet already but haven’t made any move, you’ve been too busy negging her. You can fuck 100% of women who call you an asshole.
Yep. One of my mates always used to say the same thing. And he was a very alpha guy. About 85 kg at 8% body fat, worked for investment banking in Sydney back in the 90’s. Got in a lot of fights back in Brisbane in the early 90’s as a bouncer in the city.
He always used to say “if a girl ever says we are not going to have sex, I know I’m in”.
He also used to say – “Don’t enjoy your workouts.. enjoy your gains”
When I was 32 I was chatting up a 19 year old on line. I suggested she come over to my place for lunch. She said no at first and when I asked why she responded: “Because I think you just want to have sex with me.”
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“Why would you think that?”
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“Well, what would a guy your age want with a girl my age other than sex?”
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“Are you saying you have nothing to offer a guy my age other than sex?”
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“No, I have a lot to offer.”
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“Then I guess you just answered your own question.”
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[pause]
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“OK, what are the directions”
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I think everyone can guess the punchline.
Never sit next to her. If there are no booths, get two seats next to each other. Always go for drinks to a bar/lounge. If she proposes a coffee date, insist in a bar/lounge. If she insists on dinner/coffee, she just wants the attention. Delete her number immediately.
Keep in mind that advise in this site and Game in general works when you represent enough value for the girl to be attracted to you. It could be said that Game is an strategy of how now to fuck up with women attracted to you. If you lack enough value for a specific girl, no Game in the world will help you. Since 95% of all women in the world want nothing to do with you, you must always be pipe-lining.
r-selection is not a good thing. I’m just gonna drop a link to someone who explains it much better than me instead of the usual sermon.
http://www.anonymousconservative.com/
Says it all right here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wASPTV5itlk Leykis 101 on tomorrow 5pm pacific time http://www.blowmeuptom.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUiBsi4HJeY this one is great too
I completely agree that a bar date beats a coffee or dinner date. I’m curious how Troy, or others handle the not drinking thing. For medical reasons I can’t drink right now, however I recognize the value of her drinking. How do you be discreet about the fact that you’re obviously on sparkling water and she’s having wine or beer? Sooner or later she’s going to hear you say “iced tea” to the waiter and you’ll look like a fool if you’ve been passing it off as a rum and coke. It seems to me that one person on a date not drinking would be a buzz kill.
Yeah, I hardly ever drink any alcohol when on my own, but on a date it certainly helps things flow along if you have a couple drinks.
I always go for a bottle of red wine for a few reasons.
1/ I happen to like it. 2/ It’s sexy and classy . 3/ Getting a whole bottle as soon as you sit at a table allows you a good amount of time to have a good chat while sipping it. You can draw it out without needing to chase down waiters for re-orders, and avoids interruptions 4/ I think the fact that you are sharing something with her and you can refill her glass yourself, already subliminally brings her closer to you emotionally.
For girls I’m not sure about I always take them out to coffee..dirt cheap and they get the message that I’m screening them. If theres chemistry drinks and dancing will seal the deal.
Agree.
Up here in Asia, the drinking culture is not as strong as the USA/Australia. Dinner can be a chore is she insists on the 3 course set menu (and only eats 30% of it, which really shits me off).
Coffee is the best. You can always just scull your espresso, say “well, its was nice to meet you”, and walk.
The women don’t drink much in China and I generally don’t drink alcohol with a meal (however, the guys are terrible and get shitfaced while their wives look on in some cases). Given the exchange rate and cost of living, you can each get a steak dinner for about $25 bucks. If you “go native” stay away from beef dishes, maybe half of that. I am a bit of a foodie so dinner is a good choice for me.
Same here. Most of the girls are piss-poor drinkers. 2 lightweight cocktails, and then they go red, and pass out in the booth.
I usually go local. Claypot rice, lemon tea, hotpot..etc. Steak is pretty pricey at any decent restaurant here.
HK? Yeah it would be. I didn’t really like the HK girls I met. They tended to have the worst qualities of both western and Chinese.
Lol. I didn’t say it was particularly good steak; most Chinese people have never had one. A lot of the girls aren’t much over a hundred pounds.
Speaking of shit tests, one of the most common ones I find. Which perhaps girls do intentionally, or by pure uselessness. Is to be late for the first date.
Had 2 episodes where the girl was 5-10 mins late, and no heads up. So SMS’ed them, and they said they would be “5 mins”.
8 mins later they are still not there.
I always walk. Just walk away, and once you are clear, send them an SMS saying – “next time, be on time”.
Done this 2 times in the last few months, and it seems to work really well. The first girl because one of the best fcukbuddies so far, and the other one is panning out nicely too.
So for any guy waiting for a girl on a first date, more than 10 mins…. just walk away.
are you fucking serious? girls are disorganized, dont understand roads and maps that well and maybe take the extra time too look extra good for you or clean their pussy
If they are cleaning their pussy for a first date, thats a good sign. But I only meet girls for coffee on a first date, and so a clean pussy ain’t gonna be a big factor in how the date pans out.
I would rather they look natural, and be on time. Rather than look like a hooker, and be 20 mins late.
But clean pussy or not, if a girl can’t get her shit together enough to be within 15 mins of the arranged time for the first date… then I view it as a shit test, and there is only one way to handle this. Walk off.
There is so much single cute poontang on offer here in asia, a man should not put up with nonsense like that.
I don’t do that cos I’m usually the one who’s a few minutes late .. just cos I’m easy going and don’t mind letting them anticipate my arrival for 5 minutes more .. haha
Here’s a cool trick – get a chick, or a group of them, to all lay their right hand palm down on a table/bar or whatever, fingers to be spread unforced and relaxed. The bigger the space between the ring finger and the little finger, the higher her sex drive. Works a treat as a conversation piece, and ignites competition amongst a group of girls.
Be a great conversationalist, and get her to constantly talk about her favourite topic – herself. Society doesn’t encourage constantly basking in self love, but most people (especially women), would love someone to give them this opportunity. Ultimately, it doesn’t matter what you said or did, but how you made her feel.
Nah, you won’t get laid as much that way, most guys try that approach, it’s worn thin. It’s better to learn how to dance instead.
Most guys don’t even know how to talk to a woman without nearly vomiting, so I don’t agree.
Agree on the dancing, and that topic has been covered on ROK before I believe. Being able to properly dance will make you stand out.
What part of the world are you from? I seriously don’t see most guys vomiting (not taking you literally) when they approach. It’s maybe 50% at best. Sure, roughly 90-95% don’t have game but they still interact.
Australia. I wasn’t being literal, and I did say ‘nearly vomiting’. Where do you get your %s from though? How often do you see guys interact with women when they are sober? Are you referring generally to guys you know or your group of friends?
Ah, Australia. I lived there about 7 years. Honestly, I think
Australians have pretty good game. But, nah, they’re never sober when
they pick up. 😀
The %’s I just pulled from my ass based on observation. Sure, the 90% I’m talking about are the guys that are not at home wanking to porn, but the guys actually out there. I saw tonnes of day game in Australia. Just go down to the beach and sit back and observe. Also night game in clubs, pubs etc. Sure if you go to the RSL you’ll mainly see old farts drinking VB but head to City center (Sydney) and check out the scene. I had no fucking chance when I turned 18 and went “walkabout”
Wasn’t till 3 years later that I got used to being blown out of the
water and stopped giving a fuck.
Is there a serious paucity of prescreening the women guys choose to date that they are so mind-numbingly boring the only acceptable and valid outcome is that they be DTF after date-one? Have (American) women become so ADD that if you don’t put the blocks to her that night that you will be “a speck on her radar”?
Yes
I don’t play that game anymore and will not return to it unless my heart gets ripped out in the next year or so.
…I’m at 100% with getting laid on first dates and not once did I need alcohol to seal the deal. Alcohol is a soft crutch and not part of the game. Sharpen your swords, not your shields. Chumps.
Right .. get off the internet kid. This is adult territory. Poser.
Great response.
Depending on the circumstances you have a good chance of taking her home on the first date if you have a good game and have taken your red pill. You need to show them what you are looking for early on or at least give them signs, or you might get “friend zoned” pretty quick. More guys, especially older, wealthy guys are using sugar dating websites like tempted.com and hooking up with younger women.
Great advice, just be your solid self and you have a great chance of getting the goods.
love it
Don’t talk about feminism and the evils thereof. I’ve lost lays because I stood up to fucked up feminazi shit a girl was saying.
I always wonder where men find these women who have sex within a few dates or heaven forbid the first one. It is gross for a woman to be so easy.
Hands down amazing article. The venue part is crucial; go to a place where you can sit next to each other! Last night, for the first time in months, I drove out of my way to pick up a Tinder date so I took her to a random lounge out there that I found on yelp. It wasn’t a bad spot, but there were no couches so we sat across from each other. Holy shit, that was annoying. Its almost impossible to create sexual tension that way, and no surprise, I went home empty handed. Drinks on a couch or booth (or at the bar) is necessary. If she’s under 21, grabbing dessert and walking somewhere is fine. Once again, sitting at a table across from somebody at a date is a complete buzzkill
I too made a mistake the other night, but i think i set my self up for this one on purpose. She invited to her work for a drink and it was obvious she wanted to go home with me after her shift. Earlier as i was getting ready, i was shaving and clipped my balls pretty bad with the clippers. I had to place a bandaid over it. Even though i still took my condom, deep down i knew there was no way i could risk anything with an open wound like that. So i went out, hung out with her a little, got to place my hands around her butt and lots of sexual tension, but i ended up getting too drunk and had to slip out before acting a fool. She text me after i slipped out saying she’d like to see me some other time away from her work. I tried her back but she doesn’t seem as interested anymore. I screwed this lay up! I’ll have to be more careful with the clippers this weekend before i hit the town and try this again.
A cool trick I learned is to arrive at the venue early, introduce yourself to your server and give them 100 bucks. Have them pretend like they know you and the drinks are “on the house.” It shows status and social proof and you don’t have to look like a drink buying beta. Plus the server knows they are getting a great tip so they genuinely want to do a good job.
Works everytime.
Killing Arabs for Israel will enable you to have Benjamins to blow on bartenders 🙂
The amount of times Ive fucked up preparation or didnt kino or kiss. I dont know what went thru my head in my late teens.
As a woman, I’d rather date a guy like this than a thousand standoffish betas who seem afraid to touch or make eye contact. Not all women believe feminazi bullshit that a man should act like he’s castrated until you invite him to do anything.
“(assuming you drink, of course. I don’t, so I just take a sparkling mineral water. A tip to the barman will ensure they’re discreet about the fact you’re on soft drinks.)”
and just like that, it occurred to Ofelas he was taking advice from a true weirdo.