My late bloomer article last July briefly highlighted the four relationships that had the most impact on my eventual discovery of the manosphere. Later in that article I gave a reader’s digest version of the three week relationship that led me to ROK. Then of course, the most devastating of the fantastic four was detailed here. A cautionary tale to be sure.
Today I’m going to talk about my marriage to a woman who had a slew of red flags and baggage that ultimately ended our relationship. The interesting thing is that I didn’t realize how bad our marriage really was until years after we split up.
After all, our divorce was as amicable as it could have been. We were both broke, didn’t have any children together, and we didn’t hate each other so things ended drama free and I’d gotten out clean.
But looking back through the prism of neomasculinity made me realize that my matrimonial stint was rife with red pill confirmations. In this, the de facto part two of three of my “ROK Origins—The Beta Chronicles of Donovan Sharpe” series, I will once again show that few of us attain success with women or with life without having gone through the fire.
Boy Meets Girl
I met the future ex-Mrs. Sharpe at a warehouse I was working at in my early twenties. It was the very first blue collar job I’d ever had and I loved every minute of it. Steel toed boots, fork lifts, heavy boxes, and eating soggy sandwiches while telling dirty jokes was something I’d never experienced before, but I liked it. This was ‘Murica at its core.
“Darcy” first caught my eye when I walked into the shipping office to check on a load that was running late. She didn’t pay me any mind because she was involved with someone else on another shift (more on this later) so I decided to “wait until the opportunity presented itself” (read: zero game). But her pretty face, ample breasts, and long curly brown hair definitely had my attention.
Over the course of the next few months or so we started talking more and more. After I found out she and her beau had parted ways I finally worked up the courage to ask her out, and to my great surprise she actually said yes.
The first date was pretty standard: sit down restaurant, conversation about ourselves, what we’re looking for in a relationship, etc. During our conversation she revealed that she lived with her parents, had a daughter that she didn’t currently have custody of, and that her ex-husband used to beat her.
I took the white knight bait hook, line, and sinker
After that first date I wanted so badly to be her Captain Save-A-Ho knight in shining armor and rescue her from the horrible and hard luck life she had led. As silly as this sounds, that’s really how I felt. My provider instinct had kicked in and with that I was all too happy to move her into my place a month later.
Other than a few minor hiccups, things actually went pretty smoothly for a couple who lived and worked together. We worked identical 12-hour shifts at work so we were literally around each other 24/7. One would think we’d be ready to kill each other at some point but it never happened. We got along pretty well and things seemed to be working out.
A few months later, I proposed to her and she happily accepted. Then exactly one year to the day of our very first date, we quit our jobs, got married and moved to Florida. For a girl from a small country town in the South it was a fairy tale romance. Right after we tied the knot at a small drive through wedding chapel she cried and said “Stuff like this doesn’t happen to girls like me.” I thought I was the luckiest man alive.
A glimpse of the crimson capsule
I missed the boat on some red pill truth
It didn’t take long for things to change after we arrived in the Sunshine State. Over a two-week period the sex dropped off almost completely, she got bitchy, and all of a sudden we didn’t seem to get along as well as we used to. I was completely blindsided and confused but I chalked it up to “cold feet.”
One morning while getting ready for work, I asked Darcy to iron my shirt. She refused. I threw a fit but she didn’t budge. I ended up ironing the shirt myself but I was seething. In my mind, the least she could do for me was assist me in preparing for work as she didn’t have a job (and wouldn’t for another few years) but she would do no such thing.
I was in the kitchen making my coffee when she started bitching and complaining about something and I took the bait. We went back and forth and after a few minutes I’d had it. I let her talk for about 30 seconds uninterrupted when I finally yelled:
“SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!”
I had never spoken to her like that before and was prepared for a veritable verbal assault. My back was turned so I couldn’t see her facial expression (nor did I want to). I waited and waited for her to scream back but to my surprise she heeded my command. She didn’t say another word until I stormed out the door for work when she meagerly said:
“Have a good day at work, Donovan. I love you.”
I slammed the door shut and didn’t respond. I wasn’t interested in her pitiful, disingenuous attempt at making up with me after being a bitch the whole morning. I had a bad day at work because I was prepared for the worst when I got home. I swore at her, slammed the door, and didn’t verbally reciprocate when Darcy told me she loved me so I was sure I’d be smack dab in the middle of a shit storm when I walked through that door.
I had no idea this was the reason for her good behavior
When I walked into our apartment the smell of fresh roasted chicken hit me like a slap to the face. I walked into the kitchen and Darcy was dutifully preparing mashed potatoes while the chicken simmered away in the oven (she was a VERY good cook).
Just when I noticed that the television was tuned to the MLB playoffs between the Giants and Marlins, Darcy offered me a beer which I gladly but apprehensively accepted. I just couldn’t believe that she was acting this way after the way I had treated her but there she was, doing her best June Cleaver impersonation.
The entire night I waited for the other shoe to drop but it never did. Darcy was extremely affectionate the entire night and I never had an empty beer in my hand for more than a few seconds. When the game finally ended (damn you Pudge Rodriguez!) she threw herself at me and let me do every nasty, depraved thing I could think of to her.
This continued for about a week but I never apologized. Not because I knew it would constitute as breaking frame (which I didn’t actually know at the time), but because I was afraid the great treatment would stop. My beta-fied brain thought she was putting on and waiting for the right opportunity to pull the rug out from under me and that an apology would give her that chance.
I had no idea that I had actually done the right thing that morning but my dumb ass didn’t put two and two together. I thought Darcy had finally recognized what a swell guy I was, realized the error in her ways when I yelled at her, and decided to finally shape up and be a good wife.
So I went back to being the nice guy I thought she was showing appreciation for. Little did I know I’d never get another beer or a blowjob from her (at least not on the same night) for another half decade. The red pill stared me right in the face and I flat out ignored it, thinking her behavior was an accumulative appreciation of how great a husband I was.
The straw that broke the camel’s back
Enough was enough
After the week of debaucherous ball draining, Darcy went back to her bitchy ways. The better I treated her, the worse she treated me. But instead of exploding like Mount St. Helens, I tamped down my anger and frustration.
I tried expressing my feelings which, of course, got me absolutely nowhere. I called my mother countless times asking her what I should do which, of course, got me absolutely nowhere. I tried everything I could think of to get her to be at least half way decent to me but nothing worked.
This continued for another few years until the day my father came to town. My dad and I have never had the best relationship, but I still loved him and wanted to bury the hatchet with him after five years of not speaking. So when my sister called and said he was at her place (which was about an hour from where we lived) and would be flying out in a few hours I was excited to finally put our feud behind us once and for all.
I was dressed and ready to go when Darcy decided to throw another one of her fits. She stormed around the house trying on this outfit and that, bitching about how cold it was outside, complaining that we had to drive an hour (“Why can’t you just talk to him on the phone??”), and being as difficult as she could be.
When she was finally ready to go I knew it was too late to make amends with my Dad that day. I figured we may as well go anyway because seeing my nieces and nephew would be a good consolation but the damage had been done. The entire drive I said not one single word to Darcy.
She tried making conversation, tried offering me cigarettes, and tried apologizing for taking too long but I’d had enough. Darcy knew how important this was to me but she sabotaged it without remorse. To this day I still have no idea why on earth she did this to me.
During the hour drive to my sister’s I thought of all the times and ways Darcy had shit on me. I thought about her crappy treatment despite my best efforts to please her, the physical and mental sacrifices I made to provide her as comfortable a life as I could (I was always working 2 jobs) the year and change we didn’t have sex because we were in the process of joining the Catholic Church (“We don’t need to live in sin Donovan!”), her lack of support when I wanted to start my own business, her constant complaining, her lack of appreciation, and on and on and on.
I was through giving a shit
In the months that followed Darcy went back into June Cleaver mode but that only confirmed my decision to end the marriage. I told my mother “I don’t want to be with a woman I have to treat like shit to be treated well.”
White Knight to the fucking end.
What did I learn?
After all that I was still a white knight
Nothing—at least not yet. I was every bit the mangina I was after our divorce was finalized as I was the day I said “I do.” Our divorce was quick and uncomplicated and in the end, we didn’t hate each other. We chalked it up to the fact that we just weren’t right for each other, that it was nobody’s fault, and that we were better off going our separate ways.
Though I didn’t experience the anguish I went through in my breakup with Amy, I’d be lying if I said I wasn’t saddened by our split because I’d known this woman for the better part of seven years. And even though our marriage sucked and I was balls deep in Amy on the regular at that point in time, it was still a bummer that it had all come to an end.
I’m not going to get into the chronological time line of my journey and subsequent discovery of the red pill because it’s already well-documented. But after about a month of cramming neomasculine knowledge into my tiny brain, Darcy’s red flags became as clear as day:
1. She didn’t have custody of her daughter: I didn’t think much of this when she revealed this to me on our first date because I was just happy to be liked by a pretty girl. Her young daughter was in the custody of her ex-husband but I never pressed her on the reason she didn’t because I was largely unaware of the court system’s bias toward women. However, the truth came to light when she later revealed that…
2. She was a drug addict: During our first month together she told me she had “dabbled” in crystal meth for “a while” and that the court system had “screwed her.” The details were fuzzy but the bottom line is that I now knew she had to be a terrible mother because women routinely receive favor from judges nationwide, even when they are drug addicts.
3. Her daughter’s father was not her ex’s: No need to elaborate here. She cheated on her first husband and allowed her paramour to impregnate her and I didn’t need red pill knowledge to know this was fucked up. In hindsight it’s probably the reason he beat her up—which was probably an exaggeration in and of itself, as society’s definition of domestic abuse is as loose as the sluts who claim it.
No two ways about it
4. She made her rounds at work: I knew I certainly wasn’t the first dude there who’d slayed her but the longer we dated, the more aware I became of just how many men she had fucked at that warehouse. Despite the warnings from my co-workers that she was a raging slut, my stupid ass wifed her up anyway.
5. She had her ex’s initials tattooed on her: Yep, another tattoo I foolishly ignored. According to her, she got the tattoo as a going away present to him before he went back to his home country but that didn’t stop her from writing him and telling him that she still loved him despite sharing a residence with me. It should come as no surprise that she never got it covered up or removed after we got married when I asked her to.
6. It was too easy to marry her: I’m a decent looking guy but other than that I had nothing going for me. No game, no money, no nothing. I was just another forklift operator. Yet, she offered no resistance to moving in with me, a huge step for a relationship barely a month old, and didn’t object to marrying me when I popped the question less than a year after we started dating.
Looking back, it’s now plainly obvious that she knew she was closing in on The Wall (she was 26 when I married her), and needed a sucker who was unaware of her past to wife her up before he found out just how damaged a woman she really was. That sucker was me.
Conclusion
Like I said before, I had always thought that my marriage to Darcy wasn’t all that bad but the moment I discovered the manosphere all of that changed. The bottom line is that marrying a divorced drug addict who’d committed paternity fraud in her last marriage was on me.
These days Darcy seems to be doing okay for herself. Her brother and I are still cool, so we still talk from time to time. According to him husband number three is an accountant who supposedly makes six figures. The only catch is that he has five children so I’m sure Darcy’s having the time of her life. Her daughter is now pregnant and baby daddy is apparently a wife beater too. Imagine that.
Readers may think “Well I’d never be so stupid as to put a ring on a woman like that!” but like I said in the caption, hindsight, especially the crimson capsule variety, is always 20/20. I’m just glad I didn’t have a pound of flesh for her to take.
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Wow, great article. The bit about not having custody might have set off my alarm bells, pre-Red Pill, but maybe not. Can you do a follow-up on how her daughter turned out and if she speaks to Darcy? I’m always curious to know the end results of what these women create.
A friend of mine is currently going through a divorce. He put up with all of this – the infrequent sex, the bitchiness, the unsatisfying relationship. His wife was a big girl when he married her, and during their marriage she went from big to huge.
He told me he accepted all this because he thought it was normal. He thought, “that’s just how married life is – crappy sex, fat lazy bitchy wife…”
Only now is he kicking himself for ever putting up with any of it – for marrying a woman who didn’t satisfy him sexually, who was fat in the first place, who bitched him out in front of his friends, etc.
I blame Christianity and the sense of guilt they try and bestow on players.
by chasing hot young tail many guys feel some sense of guilt, so they get married. then wifey turns fat and/or saggy within only a couple years and they realize they made a bad deal.
“by chasing hot young tail many guys feel some sense of guilt, so they get married.”
i am totally flabbergasted by this. I had a conversation with my coworker about him having the potential to catch young tail. He looked at me with a puzzled face and told me he “does not want a pet project.” I replied with “As oppose to dating post-wall women with a tremendous amount of baggage who has ridden the cock carousel?”
Well, your friend was right about one thing, that *IS* how married life is!
Great piece, Donovan. I’d be lying if I didn’t admit it shines some but not all lights on what I wifed up.
“I don’t want to be with a woman I have to treat like shit to be treated well.” — I think this is still problematic, because even as you get past any white knight instincts, there’s still a part that has to feel like what works with women isn’t necessarily who you want to be. So you run good asshole game and get laid a lot, or maintain perfect frame all the time and have your choice of women . . . it’s still pretty unsatisfying, just your balls ache less.
I agree with you 100%. Few men actually want to be players (myself included) but we’re forced to adapt to this climate if we want to get laid on a regular basis.
Exactly! women set up the rules, we’re just trying to be strategic in the way we play the game.
A remarkable, even horrifying story. The great lesson is the importance of being alert to the “red flags.” But even the most alert man can be distracted at critical moments, which is one of the reasons a smart suitor makes a point of getting to know her family.
A woman who mistreats her natural family members is always a bad bet…and today, many young women do so. Possibly in consequence, a growing fraction of unmarried young women will strain mightily to prevent their swains from ever meeting their families and friends. That, too, should be taken as a red flag — perhaps the most important one of all.
Here’s a commonality for you. If anything is wrong or not favorable to a snotty little girl (use that as red-flag initiators to later adult development), with her OR her family, even just one seemingly minor thing, scram. Dad’s a cop, teacher, preacher, politician, wealthy company owner? Scram. As soon as you resemble authority, she’ll secretly plot to fuck you over, almost guaranteed.
She seems totally normal but her entire family is drunk most of their breathing lives, or she states the obvious dysfunction in her family and sells to you the notion she is above their dysfunction, scram.
Those are some big red flags but before that the simple and most blatant red flag should be ‘are they the cool girl’ the girl who is pretty easy to get along with and acts like one of the boys.
The mere fact that she had a child was a big enough red flag for me. In fact, in normal circumstances, each of those flags individually was enough to “just say no”. Together, they created the Mother of All Hoes.
hahaha real talk..
I think I speak for alot of women when I say…how can we be better wives mothers and girlfriends? Im 22, latina, keep myself fit and healthy, above average (I think, but we all know peoples perceptions can be …off these days lol) attractive, and generally just want to have a loving family I can nurture one day and a husband I can make proud, but contrary to what I hear men say, most seem to want a drunken party girl, and dont even care if theyve had children out of wedlock or from a previous marriage! Its even more confusing when “feminists” say the only reason I want what I want is because the “patriarchy” has brainwashed me. Maybe most girls think like me but are afraid of getting attacked?
You all seem intelligent. Whats your take on it?
We’ve all been brainwashed. Go over to u tube and watch some videos on feminism. Our system requires growth, half the population was sitting at home, not working or paying taxes. Women in the workplace have kept the economy growing over the past 35 years or so…trouble is, the party is almost over
Pajaro.
you are right….when you say:
” but contrary to what I hear men say, most seem to want a drunken party girl”
for as much crying as we do about wanting a good wife quality girl, the majority here have no desire for a family. they also ignore the fact that you cant have man-sluts without creating female-sluts. the rise of female slutiness goes right along with men turning into whores.
despite that….most justify it because the divorce laws are designed to royally screw men….most see it as a risk not worth taking even if they want to be a father.
as for the best thing you can do? minimize any bitchy behavior. get out of school which is the mecha of feminism and liberal brainwashing. get in touch with your feminine side…..theres a chance you have a wise grandmother who understands the role of women….go and learn. learn those house making skills she has. it should be apparent when seeing and talking to you, that being a mother and wife is your goal of goals. many girls today say I want to be a mother, but at age 32 they arent.
there are no easy answers to the questions you propose…..but I will just lastly add that the longer you delay having a family, the harder it will be, and whoever the father of your children will be….I doubt he will be found in bars where people are looking for one night stands.
your biggest problem is the so called alphas are only alpha because they have sex with a lot of girls which contributes to the slut problem….but the betas are worthless losers no one in their right mind would be attracted too. theres a happy medium somewhere….I suppose look for that Alpha who isnt a manslut….Im sure some still exist since they used to exist in mass quantities 100-200 years ago.
I’ll just add if you marry an American there is a good chance he lacks his foreskin….and as the article pointed out his wife wasnt giving him sex…..I think the chief reasons American women withhold sex is because sex with a foreskin is about as thrilling as sex with a wooden branch. that is to say it sucks and poor and not fun so women naturally in AMerica say “Im not in the mood!” where as every study I’ve seen indicates that women having many orgasms usually tames any psychotic bitchy behavior….foreskin makes this possible. which is another tip if you have sons for all things that holy leave their penis alone. DO NOT CIRCUMCISE
so you are forewarned depending on the guy you marry….sex may be pretty damn terrible, which i think leads to a lot of the bitchiness of American women.
I think this goes hand in hand with women turn into purring little kittens when they are turned on.
If you have any inclination to religion then joining a church might be a good way to find him. You want someone hard working, intelligent who understands that his role is to provide for the family and not only materially.
Look at the girls who are you age or close to you and DO NOT EMULATE THEIR LOOKS AND BEHAVIOR such as Skank clothes, implants, big lips, OCPD Obessive cell phone disorder, selfie kook! Mature men can spot all these disabilities with our radar!! If you want to attract testerone-less beta males follow their leads. If you want a real man, go to where the skanks are not, church, book stores, dress attractive, light on the make-up, put your cell phone in your purse and remove it from the Velcro band on the wrist. Have some class and the great men will follow!
No, no. I look around at my fellow ladies and am usually the one offering advice. But, of course, maybe it has to do with my age group. They cant seem to understand that even though were 22, 21, etc. What we do now will affect us in the future. It just doesn’t seem to bother them at all. I already do everything youve mentioned. I dont have a Twitter or instances, I have a facebook but dont get on too much, I also love to read and go to half price books often but I only get approached by hipsters and I find them…less than pleasant. My culture looks down on wearing pants or cutting our hair. And I dont drink often because I dont like the taste. Ive always wanted to try fancy wines though. Anyway, point is, even though I feel I exude a certain politeness and know my place, im always approached as if I was butt naked and ready for sexx. But…I am from Texas lol.
No, im not religious but I believe in a God. I figure ill figure all that out when I pass away lol. And generally speaking, I value intelligence above all in Men. Im not in college and dont plan on going anytime soon, but I loveto listen to intelligent conversation! But I’ve found the most intellectual men arent really religious. Though I wouldn’t be closed to it. You all are so nice idk why youre painted as misogynistic boogeyman.
Men will use bar sluts but marry women like you. Ask my husband.
Find a traditional male. They do exist and I find that women who behave in a feminine manner will bring out chivalry in good men.
If you want, you can message me because you are right that it is hard to find other women who think like us. I am glad that my husband and I are moving to a very small city where traditional marriage is the norm.
This is simple.
You find a woman around 45+ years old. You look at her life and then ask yourself: “Would I like the life she has? Would I like to be in her shoes?”
If the answer is “yes” you find yourself 2 more such women.
Then you find what these 3 have in common, why they are happy and I do suggest you then do the same.
Thats so sweet to hear and I hope yall have many happy years to come:)
Its so nice to know im not alone. I think alot of it has to do with the breakdown of families. I come from a proud and traditional mexican/columbian family. Me and my dad have an amazing relationship and I adore my mom to pieces. Sadly, this isnt the norm, especially amongst alot of caucasian families, which is sad. Women are cheating more and giving away their self worth so easily. This might be bad to say, but its just different if its a woman sleeping around. Seems shes giving up more.
“idk why youre painted as misogynistic boogeyman. ”
Haha – read my posting above, then you ll see why.
Well..i couldnt find it but you seem sweet. Most of the men on here, save a few idiots. Maybe most women arent just taking the time to actually read the articles and comments posted. Maybe they’re just jumping to conclusions. If anything, I feel like you all are trying to help the issues at hand. Sure the stuff about fat shaming is a bit harsh but ive always thiught it was necessary…justsecretly lol. You guys are just misunderstood. I read articles about this site being trash and sexist, but ive read alot of truth, hard truths (but isn’t that the best kind?) And you all have been nothing but niceand respectful. Do you think feminists will ever see the light?
Spread the word!
What I can tell you is that if you have a child out of wedlock you will categorize yourself as poor quality and you will eliminate the majority of the good men from your life. Do not let this happen.
Most men your age are looking for fun. For this reason, a drunken party girl suits. But if they are smart they won’t marry her.
Your best bet is to focus on older men who have their careers in order and are now ready to settle down.
If you believe than that’s good enough. I’m sure many of the guys in church groups don’t believe all the christian stuff. I met people learning to become priests that didn’t believe in some basic christian theology.
Another place to find good men is in ‘geek’ places like computer clubs, chess clubs and so on. Many geeks make excellent husband material.
You have just used logic and reason, to come up with sensible advice.
Sadly, women are usually not able to do this at the best of times. So you can’t trust a woman to make this assessment. Especially when the hormones start pumping, and they start reading baby mags.
Usually, they guy will still be balling the girl, and will say the usual crap to keep the pussy on tap. “yes… I will be there for you”, “yes, we would have a beautiful baby”.
A sensible person could see through this bullshit. But we are not talking about sensible people are we ?. A sensible person would have made the guy wear a condom, remember to take her pill, or just not be a slut.
If it issues forth from a feminists mouth then it is a lie, even if there is some truth to it. Feminism is a diseased branch of the diseased tree of socialism. The best way is to stay interesting and join social groups where you will be meeting people from all sorts of backgrounds.
Find some high quality men and women to hang out with. Hanging out does not mean go out drinking every night and on the weekends! It does not mean hang out with social justice warriers (SJS’s) fem-natzi’s, male-bashers, manginas or gay men. Take care of yourself physically, mentally and emotionally. Like Maldek said find an older women who you look up to and talk to her about being a women today. Stay away from the tattoo parlors, don’t become a pin cushion, don’t color your hair purple! Continue to grow academically, develop a professional network of peers, co-workers, do not accept the status quo in your growth. I notice a lot of Latinas look like the avon lady, have their eyelash weaves, that’s horrible! Too many young women and latina’s have too many body appearance issues. They look like hell when they get old! Read a good book each month, find an author you like, books about Steve Jobs, Einstein, C.S. Lewis, Voltaire, Ayn Rand, expand your mind and quality people will find you! As far as being approached like your were butt naked and ready for sex. That’s going to happen until your sexual market value starts to decline in your early mid 30’s based on how well you take care of yourself. I guess smile and be happy men think your sexy, cause in 10 years it will still happen but a lot less and then quality men will be hooked up. Your smart, figure out who the quality men are who approach you!!!
Stop reading COSMO!
There are many, many very religious icons who are highly educated, C.S. Lewis, Einstein was a jew, he did not believe in a personal god, but he stated that the universe could only be made by intelligence! Maya Angelou, a great poet and many more! You and your friends should stop by a seminary one day and check it out!
? I said I only have facebook. I dont join websites.
That’s great you don’t read that rag “Cosmo”
Yep, this is true. We are already beginning to see the negative effects of growth (depletion of clean water supplies, lack of cheap oil, inflation, etc.) But the real troubles come when our growth is insufficient to support our ballooning debts, which is coming soon.
As to the broader question of advice for young women and how to find good men, first, be aware American culture is absolutely corrupt, from the extreme glorification of war and violence, to the odd combination of prudishness and sluttiness (its perfectly acceptable to sleep around, but viewing a nipple will send you into convulsions) to the lack of priorities in our economy, education and society, to our laziness in dress and appearance, rudeness in social situations, and reliance of a telephone in our hands at all times. Do not engage in it. Watch minimal to no television, magazines, etc. Especially ‘reality’ programming. Do not become interest in gossip or celebrity worship.
Second, embrace latino culture, it is more traditional and is tied strongly to family and religion (religion has its benefits whether you believe in deities or not). That doesn’t mean you have to date latino guys, most Latinas I know can’t stand them, but take in the positive aspects of your culture and history, the cooking, the food, the dancing, the closeness of family.
Third, if you want a long term relationship, seek out an older independent man (30s or older). They will be less likely to chase loose women (at least not to the extent we did in college years), more focused on career, self improvement, etc. and in general will have more to offer to a woman, not to mention being more experienced and knowledgeable and more interesting to talk to.
Fourth, pursue your own hobbies and goals and interests. This is for your own benefit, as it will help you grow as a person. But also it will give you something interesting to discuss with a partner. Most American women today cannot offer much in the way of stimulating conversation.
Finally, whatever society tells you, guys value virginity in a quality relationship. If you have it, keep it, if not, stop screwing around. It will only hurt you in the long run.
“… the majority here have no desire for a family …”
True enough — I want a chick who’s good at loading magazines while we’re shooting up the zombie hordes that are pushing their way through Doctor Jones’s Secret Highland Lair. 🙂
(and yes, you zombies just broke into the wrong goddamn rec room …)
lets make babies, screw science and biology and nature, we’ll make it happen damnit!!!
so men who sleep around can expect a nice girl but women who sleep around shouldnt expect a good man?
Unfortunately. This is the way of the world.
except it isnt.
But why do you think it is, and why do you think that would be ok, is my puzzled question.
It isn’t what I think. It is what I know. Men are rewarded for being promiscuous and women are shamed for it.
the question is why you seem to support this way to view the world, instead of fighting it as unfair.
I refuse to provide angry feminazis with explanations for my way of thinking. This is because I realize that their agenda is to shame women who don’t subscribe to their toxic ideology.
Agreed. Any woman who is single and has a kid is not worth the time of an enlightened man. Let the betas deal with those train wrecks.
Only exception for kid(s): widow. One of my friends died at work and left behind a wife and child. Check out why she’s a widow, but it may be a pass on the “she has a kid” flag.
I like the way you think. Your friend died and you’re straight in there checking out the widow?
I made sure she had some help watching the kid until their parents showed up. Of course your implication was (ahem) “checking her out” in a carnal sense, a bit callous. Whereas my statement was checking out why she was a widow because she might be alone with a kid through no direct actions she took.
Sorry mate, I take it back.
That said, I would not deal with a single mother for any reason. I don’t want the actual and factual reminder of her last man literally staring me in the face.
Understandable in one way mate. Then again, if she didn’t cause it, I can’t fault a woman for being a widow. That’s like blaming a house for a tornado destroying it in a storm, and it’s wrong. I can’t fault a man for being a widower, again assuming he didn’t cause it, either.
A widow, or widower, who didn’t cause the death is just someone struck by tragedy. They shouldn’t be judged for being a single parent because for them it wasn’t a choice. You can’t say “I expect you to be celibate for the next X years because you had a kid with your dead spouse” in a serious manner. You can’t blame the kid for their parent being dead and expecting them to be missing the other parent. Even in the “old days” of my great-grandmother, widows and widowers remarried after a period of mourning. My great-grandmother had 17 kids (13 survived to adulthood) from 3 husbands! She outlived all her husbands: one died of pneumonia and the other was killed while working the farm. The last lived to the ripe old age of 75, dying the year before I was born.
People die man, you can’t expect or control it in many cases. Even where you can assume it as part of the job that they may die (police, firefighters, soldiers) those are still jobs that need doing. I agree that it’s your choice not to want to see it, but at the same time I would encourage you to see it like our (older) forebearers would: a crappy part of life that shouldn’t lower your opinion of a person. They aren’t adulterers, they aren’t people seeking the better deal, nor are they people that gave up and divorced. They were struck with a tragedy, and that kid you see the living reflection in isn’t going to see their dad every third weekend a month. Their dad isn’t a loser in jail. Their mom isn’t a ho who couldn’t keep her legs closed or a bitch who decided she was bored.
This isn’t a captain save-a-ho scenario, it’s a shit happens people have to move on with their lives scenario.
Just Give Noes to Hoes
Truth! It’s unfortunate when some guys tell me that their gf is so cool, it’s like if she’s one of the guys.
The first thing I think when I hear that is that she’s got a killer manjaw and that she has to take estrogen supplements to avoid having a beard …
Nooooooo thaaaaanks, I’m just all kinds of good here.
It’s not “divorce” papers. It’s freedom papers. Rock on for Donovan (and free-dom)!
At least you didn’t get divorce raped or have kids with her like so many guys I’ve known over the years who married the wrong woman. Those guys usually become far more red pill but the price they paid for the knowledge is heavy.
Trust me Rafael, there’s not a day that goes by I don’t thank my lucky stars I got out of that situation unscathed. It could have been ugly.
Watch out when you become famous and successful. Remember that article about that British woman suing the guy for alimony decades after they divorced? They were broke when they divorced, then the guy built a business and now she wants a large piece of the pie.
Those guys usually become far more red pill but the price they paid for the knowledge is heavy.
indeed
honesty about your fuckups is the essence of the red pill. great piece.
I could have written almost the same story about my short marriage. The bitch I was stuck with had more red flags than a Mayday parade.
This. Critical self-analysis is the hallmark of a man. Women NEVER do this in a serious manner. They mope and rationalize, but never look at their actions critically.
Your ex sounds like my ex-neighbor ho. She’s managed to convince a beta guy four years younger than her to take care of her lazy ass. Hell, the poor guy doesn’t know what he’s in for from that Polish slut. I almost feel sorry for him. She’ll fuck any guy who gets her juices flowing, and a lot of that is based on monetary potential to allow her to accomplish HER dreams.
Then again she MIGHT stay faithful. The slut is going to be 38 this year and might have figured out this is one of the last “save-a-ho’s” she’s gonna get. She’s hitting the wall hard.
All women are born redpill
The brevity of that brilliant shit right there is going unrecognized.
honestly there is just literally no benefit for a man to get married, period https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61th6gk042g
Another loser. Gimme a fucking break!! My friends and I (we are all much maligned millenials 27-32) are all slim fit and attractive broads who share recipes for healthy foods, workout tips, and career success tips to inspire each other. No benefit to men?? Ok, so ironed shirts, laundry, home cooked food, and a clean home, sex, and a smart companion to join you in the journey of life are all “worthless”? Sounds to me you’re just bitter you can’t get a decent woman to fart in the direction you walk in. There ARE good women out there, you just have to be smart enough not to date former drug addicts or strippers. It’s not the fault of all women that you’re too stupid to pick a decent female. For reals who the fuck are all these broads that have so many mental health problems??? I’ve lived in 4 different states across two coasts of the USA and have yet to make friends with any trashy women like this.
I can get my shirts ironed, laundry done, food cooked, home cleaned, laid, and find a smart companion to join me in my life’s journey without getting married; therefore there is no benefit to marriage. Re-read what you posted, you are the one that sounds bitter and pathetic, not to mention vulgar and uneducated. No wonder no man will marry you.
I’ve had 2 marriage proposals and am in a serious relationship now. Nice try, dumbass. Had the author of this article chosen ONE woman who is a head case, it would have been understandable. The fact that he chose TWO losers shows he himself has horrid judgment.
ha! So you aren’t married?! You’ve made my point for me!
I rejected two prior marriage proposals because I believe marriage should last forever and the men were ultimately not suitable for me. The man I am dating now is my soulmate and we are planning on getting married next year. Nice try, troll! Call me whatever you want you don’t know who I am, what I look like, or anything about me. My marital status aside, something is seriously wrong with a man who chose TWO mentally ill drug addict single moms like the author of this article.
So you dated a couple guys who were such losers you didn’t want to marry them? That says more about you than it does about them. If the man you are dating now wanted to marry you he would do it now, he wouldn’t be “planning on it next year”, he is just stringing you along to keep getting pussy until he dumps you for younger and hotter chick. Write this down: he will not marry you.
Thank you for being a psychic and a prophet, Mr. Mike T!! And yes, you KNOW the other two men were losers! Couldn’t be that each party was not a loser but merely had divergent life goals that weren’t realized until later in a relationship. Whatever. You don’t know me you don’t know anything about my life, about the men in question, etc but sure, keep making hateful assumptions. Younger and hotter chick? You don’t know how old I am or what I look like. I could be a smoking hot babe typing behind this screen or a land whale; how would you know?? In your warped manosphere view, all men are angles who can do no wrong and all women are vile devils who can do no right. What a happy worldview (not). Sorry but the extreme MRAs are no better than the extreme Feminazis. Pitting one gender against the other does not lead to a productive society.
P.S.–weddings take a while to plan when both sides have families living in different countries and when work logistics take some months to ensure a transfer for one or either party and housing arrangements take time to plan as well. And now, you can say whatever you want. Call me whatever you want. Assume whatever you want. I do not owe any justification for my life or my life choices to you or any other woman-hating idiot on this site which I peruse for the occasional shockgasm.
I don’t have to assume anything, or even bother reading your entire essay you just sat there and typed, the fact that you are unmarried and on this website tells me all I need to know about what you look like, if you were a smoking hot babe you’d be married already and you wouldn’t be dating losers, let alone talking to people on this website in the comments section.
Yup. You got me. I weigh 300 lbs and am eating a donut as I type this. The crumbs are rolling off the fat rolls under my chin right now. Your reading comprehension skills are low if you call two paragraphs an “essay”. Kindly fuck off.
Of course you are. Your post wasn’t comprised of any paragraphs, however if you look up the definition of what an essay is you’ll see it was the appropriate word.
HAH I like this chick. I sit here and read this stuff and think “…are these guys for real”.
Women really arent as demented as these sites would have you believe.
Thank you. If these men like the author are picking up women in drug rehab centers or trailer parks then wonder why they can’t find a normal woman who isn’t a single mom meth addict, can that really be the fault of all women or is it poor judgment on a man’s part?
It goes both ways. Women manage to find the guys who beat them and rape them at epidemic proportions (as far as the media is concerned). Personally, i dont think it is true, but ofcourse it happens, who knows. I havent met any personally.
But in the authors defence, I do think it is harder for a guy to find a girl at all, let alone a good one, than it is for a female. And alot of young guys get swept up with good intentions and assume that if they treat a girl well that the rest will work itself out.
Basically, depending on where you come from socioeconomically, The chances of finding a scum bag are pretty good, male or female. The hate that goes on, on these sites, its pretty sad though. Im not sure what happened to bring all this feminist rubbish back into the spotlight.
Women are either trashy whores with daddy issues or college bred daddy’s girl feminist so yeah it’s always pick your poison. Good women are not likely to be found in a feminist western country because they will sic the law or threaten men with the law.
Once again…where are you meeting these women? I am NOT a feminist and don’t associate with women who are; the whiny identity politics and slut walks turn me off. Most of the women I know are not trailer trash with daddy issues nor are they feminists (even if they are college educated girls). This post flabbergasts me because these women all sound so mental it sounds fake
So you decided to leave the cock carousel and find your nice beta as you approach the wall? What were you doing throughout your teens and 20s? Lemme guess… you were “finding yourself”, right? Does your new beau know your notch count? How long before you get tired of him and file for frivorce? I give it 5 years.
Hey dumbass, I’m still in my 20s 🙂 If finding a soulmate and a real partner were as easy as snapping one’s fingers, wouldn’t everyone be married by 25?? My parents and his parents have each been married for more than 30 years. We have a good role model for monogamy and commitment.
You indicated you and your harpies are 27-32, so you’re late 20s. What were you doing from 17 to 27? College? Dating scene? On your “journey of self discovery” before finding the nice, agreeable schlub to wife you up? My question remains… does he know your notch count? Give me an honest answer and I can tell you if your marriage will last.
Harpies? You don’t know what we look like, troll. Yes, I am in my late 20s. Not like I owe you a justification but if you must know, he knows my notch count. No I was not a virgin when I met him nor was my “notch count” above single digits either. Where do all you people live??? For reals, I do not know anyone who married at 25 or younger across four different states. “What were you doing from 17 to 27? College? Dating scene? On your “journey of self discovery” — Uhm 17 I was a minor and a high school student and my parents would not have let me date. From 18–22 yes I was in college. As for “dating scene” if by that you mean meeting men through mutual friends, work, school, and place of religious worship, yes I went on dates. No, I did not go to clubs and bars or party it up.
Parenthetically, statistics show that those who marry at 18-22 are more likely to divorce and that those with college degrees are less likely to divorce.
My wife and I met at 19 (freshman year), got married at 21 (junior), and we both turned 35 this year with our two growing cubs. By the way, does your beta provider know he needs to multiply the number you gave him by 3? Wait a minute, you mentioned meeting and dating from religious places of worship. Never mind… you wouldn’t be fornicating.
Congrats on your successful marriage. 14 years of marriage is an accomplishment in today’s world. May it last forever. Bear in mind, not everyone has the good fortune of finding their match at 19. I am wondering what area of the country you live in… I really do not know of anyone who married so young; even my parents and their circle didn’t meet or marry so young. The Facebook engagement/marriage announcements of my extended circle seem to all be from people late 20s/early 30s. Not sure why he would need to multiply my number by three (really??) In a good relationship, people are honest and open with each other. You sound angry and bitter for some reason. This thread has gotten way off topic. This site blames women for anything and everything wrong in a relationship yet no one has acknowledged that something is wrong with this author that THREE times he picked horrid women.
This was in Tennessee.
And to address your points about the author, he is quite candid about his mistakes and owning up to them. It’s just a reminder on the number of broken women out there and the tactics they employ. Moreover, I am neither angry nor bitter. I simply sensed a beta arrangement in your case. I am assuming your fiancé is at least the same age and probably older than you, so it sounds like you’re settling. Most marriageable men are taken by that age.
As for the “multiply by 3” rule: you always do that with a woman. They have what’s called the “Notch Count Demon.” If they meet a guy they’re really into, eventually past sexual experiences come up. She instinctively knows if she tells the truth, it will be a turn off — as no self-respecting man would ever wife up a slut. A women who says she’s slept with 8 guys means she’s slept with 24, and so forth.
Interesting. I’ve never been to TN or anywhere in the south but from what I hear, people marry younger there than on the coasts. Rest assured, there is no beta arrangement. My man and I are the same age. Where I’m from, men don’t even begin to think about marriage until 30-ish after they’ve established themselves in careers. Also rest assured I’m not lying about my “notch count”. I agree that no self respecting man will wife up a slut like the three horrid women this author has dated. Interestingly enough, I know of a few couples where the wife is older than the husband and they seem to be happy. I’ve never dated a younger guy but if still single, wouldn’t be opposed to it. Why get so hung up on age?
No offense, Mr. T, but you mainly just recycled arguments in this thread while the person you argued with dealt with you in a rational and logical manner. I’d get smarter if I were you. You sound like you’re subscribed to a cult.
Yeesh. You should probably lose some weight and not eat near your keyboard so you don’t get crumbs all up in the keys. Other than that I thought all of your comments were informative and helpful. Thanks.
The reason the author is attracting the same kind of women is because he hasn’t ever bothered to fix the flaws in his own personality. Like attracts like. Broken people attract broken people. Game might allow you to pretend to be someone who isn’t broken, thus securing a relationship, but ultimately you’ll find a way to completely fuck up because you’re still broken.
The regular members of this site need to put themselves to the same scrutiny that they apply to women. The author, though honest and interesting, should have probably read No More Mr. Nice Guy instead of developing an unhealthy attitude towards women.
RoK is the blind leading the blind. And let’s not forget that Neo was a lot fucking happier in The Matrix than he was outside it. Red Pill brings you into a world that frankly isn’t worth living in. Because you’re not the fucking one. You’re just cynical and afraid.
Jason, you claim: “The regular members of this site need to put themselves to the same scrutiny that they apply to women”. 100% spot on. This was exactly the point I was trying to make. You further state “Red Pill brings you into a world that frankly isn’t worth living in. Because you’re not the fucking one. You’re just cynical and afraid”. Again, 100% spot on, dude!! What many of these men don’t seem to understand is that there is a happy medium between being a doormat and a dick. Extremely early on, dare I say even before even going out on a first date, a man should know if a woman is a single mom drug addict with a mental illness.
Your final point about like attracting like is also correct. You get what you give. Yes, we all make mistakes along the way but the aim is to learn from our mistakes without repeating them or worse yet, going to the other extreme and feeing bitter. I feel like many of the authors of this site were men who were taken advantage of by horrible women and out of anger, have become misogynists. How are MGTOWs better than radical feminists? I despise both groups. I’m not a feminist (gross) but not a woman-hating MRA either.
Btw… as I type this, I’m biting junks of a whole roast chicken and typing with grease stained fingers mmmmm…. you know 300 lbs fatties like me love chicken so much we rip it apart with our bare hands LOL (jk) I love how some of these commentators couldn’t pick up that the comment about me weighing 300 lbs was a joke.
Thank you for defending me Jason. Much appreciated amongst this groups of bitter angry people who are projecting their anger towards girlfriends of their past on some woman they’ve never seen or met before. Sad, really. I provided rational, calm, and well seasoned arguments and Mr. Mike T and others felt the need to make ad hominem attacks that were frankly juvenile and unsophisticated. It is quite laughable.
No offense, Jason, but you are obviously a pussy.
Cunt.
Again, another ad hominem attack. Mike T: you’re a complete loser. Your use of vulgarity shows your complete inability to articulate rational arguments or coherent thoughts. And with that, I am done with this ridiculous thread.
No you’re not because you’re a bitter old bitch who clearly has nothing better to do than hang out on a men’s website.
None taken, friend. Your opinion is worthless. I hope you enjoy your life with your wife.
Bitter old bitch would also characterize you pretty well. And given that you’ve put in the same amount of time it seems neither have you have anything better to do. Me too for that matter. Ah well. But at least I’m not you. Play it up all you want, my man, but I can see the unloved child in your soul.
Out of interest how does someone who is happily married find themselves so cynical and bitter towards women?
Unless you’re not happy, friend?
Clearly the feeling is more than mutual. I hope you enjoy your life with your cat.
Bitter old bitch would also characterize you pretty well. I can type so fast it takes me seconds to respond to these, and with push e-mail it’s as easy as replying to a text. In case you didn’t notice, at the very beginning of this thread, I stated that not only am I not married, but there is no benefit for any man to get married, so this whole time you been incorrect. Awesome!
Dude! I’m not married, and the entire reason what’s her name started attacking me is because I said there is no benefit to man being married.
Scroll up to the top, see the video I posted, and along with it I wrote “honestly there is just literally no benefit for a man to get married, period”
Most people can touch type, friend. And, yeah, sorry I was misattributing Ernie’s posts to you. The point is you judged someone for wasting time doing exactly what you’re doing. Hence my reply. I’m not saying this takes much effort. I’m saying you’re a hypocrite. And I’m only wrong in one way, brother. What confused me was how a man so bitter could be happily married (as Ernie presumably is). Now that I’ve realized my mistake, your tragic life makes perfect sense.
Awesome…? And, na, I’m not bitter or old. I’m young and sanguine. I’m only insulting you because I hope you wake up and have a more balanced world view. The way you’re looking at the world is no different to a religious extremist. If you don’t treat your beliefs with some measure of scepticism then you’re doomed to eternal ignorance. I hope you find the woman you’re looking for, Mike. Until then have fun tippy tapping away on the keyboard.
My main point here was that you come across as an unintelligent baffoon. Whereaz I iz lyke a competing genesis. Am I ryte? In truth though that’s a harsh point to make. And I really don’t think I can shock or insult you into enlightment. So I’ll wish you luck instead.
I’m good, I just post videos relevant to the topic because they’re entertaining, then sometimes dumb bitches start bitching. Don’t worry about me or anybody else, just yourself.
Can’t not worry about you Mr. T. I pity the fool who ain’t empathetic.
Seriously, ironed shirts, laundry, home cooked food, and a clean home, sex, and a smart companion are all you have to offer? A man of means (eg money) can acquire all of that in a heartbeat without ever needing a bordeline fat ex-slut wifey. Never get married guys. Money first, everything else second. Case solved.
No, they are worse.
What it means is that you’re a raging slut. Your boyfriend has my deepest condolance.
Another unsophisticated ad hominum attack. Nice try, asshole. You know my notch count how, exactly? Well, you got me. I weigh 300 lbs and am typing this with grease stained fingers. My house is a mess and takeout bags are strewn everywhere because I can not cook or clean. Every other day, I bring a new man home to sleep with. Yeah, whatever. Assume whatever you want. My man and I together have more money in the bank as late 20-somethings than most of you assholes will have at 50. Now fuck off. Clearly you aren’t married because of your bitter misogyny and no woman with any self respect would want to glance in your direction.
You missed the point. Yes any idiot can clean the bathroom and fold shirts. It takes a wife to make a home. Anyone can change a baby’s diaper. It takes a mother to really nurture and raise a child. Any man can pay a hooker for sex. And with enough money, he can get a vapid gold digger to marry him. But can he buy true love? A companion who loves you for life and is your partner, best friend, confidant, lover, and other half to grow old with is something that is priceless. If you have such a bitter view of women that you actively avoid marriage altogether, then I truly feel sorry for you. Bless your bitter bones, angry ROK. My parents have been happily married for over 30 years and counting and have a partnership and camaraderie I aspire to with the man I love.
And how much is that excatly? More than 500k maybe?
I literally just posted a youtube clip and said that there isn’t any benefit FOR A MAN (of course there are benefits to women and children) to get married, and then some hate filled bitch wrote an essay starting with what a loser I am for having that opinion, she deserves no empathy.
MikeT, it is well known that marriage is very beneficial for men in terms of improving physical and mental health and life expectancy, and reducing suicide risk. Single men suffer more health problems and die younger than married men and this has been found in many studies some of which are summarised here:
http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/marriage-and-mens-health
What is actually quite interesting is that women do not benefit from marriage in terms of health in the same way:
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-families/health-news/marriage-is-more-beneficial-to-men-than-women-study-finds-10315018.html
“Nice try, troll! Call me whatever you want you don’t know who I am, what I look like, or anything about me. My marital status aside, something is seriously wrong with a man who chose TWO mentally ill drug addict single moms like the author of this article.”
Yeah, he was blue. He recognized that and went to work. Also… You don’t really know him.
“For reals” it’s coming out… The anger.
You need to re read this thread. She was angry, insulting and simply ignored the points that she didn’t want to address.
Aaaah, she got ya lol
TDLDFR.
You bored this audience too quickly, and dropped a few too many “fuck off, Mens” for anyone to take you seriously.
You see yourself as a unicorn, bit if you were, you wouldnt be spending time here convincing non believers if you are
Quit now. Your man should be slready fulfilling your attention
_Le_
“It takes one to know one…”
Grammar/spelling errors can be blamed on the Disqus. This post took so long to send on mobile, it felt like dial-up days. Sue me..
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What I’m wondering about is why you even care enough to participate here. If you and your life are in such great shape, and you have a fiance you’re crazy about, why do you care what men on a forum think? What vested interest can you possibly have?
You chose to speak up here, which invites a response. It doesn’t make much sense to tell people who responded to fuck off. If you don’t want anyone’s input, don’t write your story.
I don’t think her response was logical at all, or even her participation here. But what’s even less logical is your instinct to chime in on her behalf. Let her handle her own business. If she doesn’t like people’s replies, she can always not bother voicing her opinions about male/female dynamics where they won’t be accepted because she represents the group with something to gain from the popular narrative.
I’m no more likely to take her perspective here seriously than I would someone in the soy industry replying to and article about the harms of soy products.
Use those big words. Thesaurus.com has even more when you’re ready.
So Ms L, it’s been a year….did you get married yet? How did that work out for you? Inquiring minds would LOVE to know!
Totally. People need to realize the Red Pill involves taking account of everything. Even embracing your fuckups as long as you learn from them so you can move forward.
Awesome piece. May our sons never have to learn these lessons the hard way.
In a lot of cases for guys I think its a case of wanting to believe she’s cool and wife material despite evidence to the contrary. Recently had a 24 year old slut lusting after me at work with daddy issues and an aversion to the truth getting all sulky and bitchy with me.
All because I sussed her out quick style, faced the cold hard reality and put some social boundaries down with her to keep the horrible self deceiving hypocritical cunt at arms length.
At times she looks like a rabbit caught in the headlights…probably because a man has never put his foot down with her before and she doesn’t know what to do with it.
Marriage is a disaster that should be avoided at all costs.It is absolutely insane that any man would choose to enter into a business contract where he would be subjugated into paying alimony and an unfair amount of child support to his ex spouse, simply because the marriage has failed. The concept of marriage is a business industry which has been tainted and corrupted by multiple third parties such as judges, lawyers, private investigators and so on and so forth. So the idea of getting married would be completely asinine, especially after seeing the declining standards that are reflective in today’s modern day women.
Remember, while there may be some decent women out there, it is unfortunate that the vast majority need to be approached with caution. At first, she may treat you like a king, but over time, she will eventually reveal her true colors and if you have already entered into the trap known as marriage, then it is probably to late for you to come out of it with your wallet intact. When listening to the Tom Leykis Show, one can hear all of the horror stories and tragedies that have befallen on men when they decided to get married. You can hear all sorts of anecdotes involving the significant other attempting to steal sperm, make men into the father of their illegitimate child and other absurd stories, that one would think they were living in the Twilight Zone.
But no, this is the reality of the times in which we are living in. Which is why it is important to learn from the mistakes and experience of those men, who have had the unfortunate misfortune, of dealing with divorces, alimony, child support, while at the same time, his ex wife is banging some toyboy in the house which he is paying for, while his children are not allowed to see their father. This is becoming the “norm” in the West and the fact that 70% of divorces are initiated by women, goes to show and illustrate the fact that women are very suceptable towards engaging with the family courts in an atttempt to ruin the man’s life and everything he has worked for.
We are indeed, living in dark times. But as men, we can do everything that we can by learning the wisdom, knowledge and advice which is provided in the manosphere. The fact is before the internet came along, there was very little exposure on these issues, and obviously, this has contributed greatly towards the rise of the white knights, the manginas and the villification of men. But as time passed on, and with the rise of the manosphere, more men are now waking up and the results are now starting to show (marriage being declined at an all time high.)
The world feeds itself on male disposablity. But with the manosphere and the wisdom and guidance it provides, more men will eventually become free from the corrupt system that attempts to destroy us.
yea, all us guys bitching about losing a girlfriend…….we are the lucky ones. getting fucked over in a marriage seems way, way worse.
Marriage is the opposite of “paying them to leave”, to use Charlie Sheen’s turn of phrase …
There is not much I can disagree with what you said. Marriage is the dumbest thing a man can get himself into. And let’s say the marriage doesn’t fail.. I can guarantee the man is unhappy 50% of the time, but that’s a different discussion.
So one is pretty much fucked 75% of the time one way or the other.
The deal is extremely shitty. I did go through all the crap we’re talking about here. My only excuse is this was way back when none of the information was available… Young guys, consider yourself extremely lucky you now know these things..
It’s higher. The 50% unhappy rate (of married men) is much higher. Also ‘happy’ in a marriage simply means ‘not hell’. It doesn’t really mean happy afterall because most guys have forgotten how that even feels. Watch married men, even as young as 28, go into all kinds of ‘those were the days’ rocking chair mutterings when a hot 20 year old walks by with her tits halfway out. It’s like that part of life is just over and they are reduced to grumbling, joking, sentimentalizing like they’re 88 years old.
Most ‘happily’ married men I know will always sooner or later reveal that sex is laughably rare. So ten lays a year, maybe. That leaves 355 nights a year where you lay down next to a female and don’t have attraction/permission/testosterone to reap your marital rewards. That seems so weird to me.
Most studies on the subject reveal that married men are – on average – happier than single men. I don’t know if “single” includes divorced men. Ironically, divorcees are more likely to be more promiscuous AND more likely to be incel than never married men.
I don’t buy those studies. Single men can afford to admit some mood swings here and there because their life changes daily. Married men made a 60 year commitment. Of course, they will claim happiness because to admit unhappiness means you wasted your entire life. I am single. I can say I had a bad day a few weeks ago. It’s a new day for me today so who cares about some rough patch in the past? Who knows what next year brings? Single guys have that freedom. Married guys handed their life over, 100%, to some woman that was fun to lay for a year or two. Enjoy the next 58 years, bruh.
This study breaks it down as 63/34/3 for being very/pretty/not too happy.
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http://www.norc.org/PDFs/publications/GSSTrendsinWellbeing_March2011.pdf
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An author and divorce lawyer eyeballs it as 33/33/33 being happy/happy enough/ not happy.
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http://www.care2.com/greenliving/are-only-17-of-marriages-happy.html
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Two things to keep in mind are that 1) about 2% of existing marriages end in divorce in any given year, and presumably those are peeled off of the not too happy crowd and 2) women initiate the vast majority of divorces.
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The second point could mean that guys are just generally more content or they are more likely to suffer in silence. In my personal and professional experience it has been the former.
Well I wish happiness on them but I think there is a difference between being single and actually still wanting to experience life, therefore taking some wins/losses…having wants and some disappointments. And being married and being so downtrodden that just surviving to your evening dram is mistaken as happiness. Also, a lot of married guys are just happy to be in a state of avoiding the shame of divorce or the shame of singlehood because the blue pill just kind of rolls like that. So, happy they are then. But if you’re a man and your wife is fat and your sexuality has been driven into the dirt then I don’t call that happy. I call that a guy who drinks in the evenings and all through the weekend to dull his awareness (80% of my married friends) and mistakes mild to severe alcoholism for happiness.
Unless a woman is really sick, or is on her period, or has some other really serious problem beyond her control, there’s absolutely no reason for this.
I think most guys who don’t fuck their wives frequently have only themselves to blame. They forget that game doesn’t end if one chooses to get married; it just changes. Marriage in itself is never gonna be a guarantee of sex.
The problem is that the wedding license in the modern west removes the single most effective tool he has in his tool chest. The ability to walk away and withdraw his affections and support. These days, husbands who do that are laughed at for sleeping on the couch and/or divorced raped. A woman has to have that dread or the marriage won’t work for the man.
Having been there and done that and now too old to give a fuck, let me tell you the reason most married men don’t fuck their wives; because they hate the bitch. She might have become a great white whale, or not. My first ex-wife was a hot babe from day one to day last. But, by the end, I would rather have feed my penis into a meat grinder than fuck that bitch.
This is the secret. Just as those studies that show married men live longer than single men, they lump divorced men in with single men. If you take never married men and compare them to ever married men the stats show truly singe men are n average much happier and live longer.
I’m married 11 years and don’t have a significant problem. About once a week on average is what I prefer. I do agree that it’s good (for all concerned) to still have some fun. But that being said, I don’t “beg” for sex in any way and I think my wife prefers it that way. Women are not attracted to sexual beggars whether they’re married to them or not.
From personal experience, when single, I am much happier overall. When in LTR, there are some highs and lows, and of course I can look back to some amazing, fun times, but on the whole I’d say I’m much happier being single.
What a great point. I do have a FEW married friends to seem happy to me. But they drink every day.
It may seem weird, but that’s the life men are being reduced to. This shit must stop. And it will stop. Hopefully the younger guys are taking notes.
I don’t buy those studies either. I wonder what the “happiness studies” of Divorced Men compared to Divorced Women categories indicate. From my short experience post-divorce, it seems women in my age group often complain of men not being “emotionally available.” Hamster to English translation: “He’s not falling for my bullshit anymore.” Maybe it is because he is at peace and doesn’t want or need your bullshit anymore!
wish I could like more than once
Patriarchy
I got to ask what were the variables used for this study? I consider marriage once a red pill standard in older better times but now it’s a blue pill farce
I guess you missed the study that said men with children have lower testosterone than men without children
Women should also still keep themselves trim, fit and attractive the same day she was picked up. It’s possible men do not game their wife because she let herself go. No doubt there is pregnancy that can make her go fat. That’s why a no kid marriage might be the solution.
Lol drink everyday I wonder why
Nope, never saw that study, but I’d love to see the link. I’m not sure what you mean by “variables”. As far as I know they took representative samples of married and single guys and asked them how happy they are on a scale, and the average for the married guys came out higher.
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Marriage hasn’t changed as much as divorce has changed, which in turn can affect the marriage to a “modern woman”. Trying to insulate yourself from the catastrophic effects of a divorce really bends marriage out of shape.
A woman might not be able to get back to her pre-baby body, but even after birth she can work out, remain fit and look good. Obesity is always a voluntary choice.
Problem with marriage is people going into it for the wrong reasons, which id wager nowadays is most of them, which accounts for the high divorce / unhappiness rates.
Of course a lot of guys coming from these garbage can marriages where they let themselves be treated like doormats because they were beta bitches are gonna be sore and bitch about how “marriage is just a sham and dudes should never get married because no married man is ever really happy”.
It’s what you make of it in all honesty, like anything else in life, if you’re that guy from pen n tellers “bullshit” who’s willing to take a lie detector test to fullfill the distrust your fiance has in you, fail it, then think your life has been shattered(because you’d of been so lucky just to land a chick like that right?), you’re probably the same guy who’s gonna get into a bad marriage at some point and let his wife boss him around.
Marriage is a business partnership, it can be good or bad depending on how the partners act, and if you’re not mature enough to handle it (which most people, especially nowadays aren’t) you should probably avoid it altogether, being married isn’t going to validate your life and make it better unless you’re in it for the right reasons. Most of all, the power split should be 50/50, no one needs or should have control over the other person, and that’s a big part of what shits on most marriages (guy is a bitch, guy puts his woman on a pedestal, woman walks all over him and gets bored eventually).
Not being “alone” or “because it’s what you do when you get older” aren’t the right reasons.
Good points but you missed the most important aspect of all: The legal environment which is 100% in the favor of women, from beginning to end. I would add that marriage is an institution for females anyway. It’s not a man’s gig at all.
So;
1. Legally backed misandry. Whether the guy pedestalizes his wife or not, the law does anyway.
2. Terrible class of modern women
3. An institution founded, shaped and developed to cater to women’s wants from the very start.
4. Entire culture, entertainment and education systems glamorizing divorce (from a women’s perspective) which then shifts sometimes hundreds of thousands of dollars to the woman as a cash bonus for failing to keep a vow.
I’m happy to sit this one out. I don’t think using ‘game’ and keeping that rapidly aging 38 year old under your thumb is that great of a scenario anyway.
I had regular daily sex with my (then) wife right up until the night before she asked for a divorce. She also cooked daily , cleaned and ironed whenever I told her to. These things are really less indicative that everything’s great than some may think. Some women just go along with daily life because it’s easier to, and slowly bleed your life away rather than make big scenes and fights. It can be just as distructive because it slips under the radar and you stay longer.
If you’re a man with some dignity, you won’t stay with a disrespectful woman, so knowing this, some will be just bad enough to drain you daily or just have an unpleasant attitude, but nothing big enough like cursing you out for you to just wake up and leave her. It can still make you miserable.
I feel like the odd guy out here. 5 years married, two kids and a pretty good life. When I look at other people’s lives, mine seems amazing and I aint rich or anything like that. One thing to remember, it isn’t your wife’s job to make you happy – it’s yours. Make yourself happy and the rest of the family usually follows.
my marriage blew up after 16 years. 5 years doesn’t mean much.
You sound like a Negative Nancy. My advice on making yourself happy would have come in handy during your married years.
It also helps if you share the same life goals and worldview, thereby making happiness mutually shared in most cases.
Don’t make any assumptions. I am a happy person in general. The marriage had good times and bad times. Just like anybody else’s. And again that doesn’t mean anything. You can believe what you want to believe. It is up to you.
I agree with you on that one. Too many people–women more so than men–rush into a marriage without considering if the potential spouse has similar life goals and worldview. People spend more time picking out a car or a house than a spouse. This is why our divorce rate is so high. Better to be single and hold out for a good match than to marry just for the sake of marrying
This is why men who want wives should look for women from intact and traditional families.
I am happily married to a conservative Christian woman who understands the God-ordained, complementary roles of males and females.. there’s your answer to a successful marriage and family.
The aforementioned unicorns are incredibly rare, though.
Or perhaps that’s just your perception of the situation. Perception is reality u know. Surpressing religion may have unfavourable consequence on the surpressed ones…
Yes and there are more out there than you think. My parents have been married for 30 years, first marriage for both. All but one friend comes from a family where the parents were in a long-term marriage. I really don’t know where the author of this article finds these psychotic drug addicts who have illegitimate children. Somehow, I’ve lived in 4 states and NOT ONE of my gal pals has illegitimate kids, is a drug addict, or has any mental health disorders. We’re all just a bunch of normal nice girls getting engaged and married to normal nice guys.
I used to have friends who were trashy because I desperately wanted to help them.
Now I realize that having friends with similar backgrounds makes far more sense.
Yes. And which is why the best way to meet a romantic partner is either through a place of worship, through, work, or through mutual friends. I’ve never dated men who were losers and thus don’t have a sour view on men. The authors on this site have a sour view towards women because they date trashy girls and then wonder why they got screwed over. You know the old expression tell me who your friends are and I’ll tell you who you are…
Marriage is clearly just a business for most people, only men think foolishly about love. Women know it is about deceit, it is about getting what THEY want, they don’t give a flying fuck if you drop dead, as long as your wallet is around.
Don’t forget false rape charges, accusation of child abuse and accusation of domestic violence
I’ve said it before, most guys will have to get shit on before they come to the conclusion that most women aren’t worth the effort. About two yrs ago a girl I dated a girl that threw constant red flags at me. Talking to multiple guys flirtatiously (not sure if that’s a word), shit testing me, claiming she “bi”, nasty habits etc. It took me awhile to just say fuck it and drop all contact with her. I didn’t speak or see her for at least 6 months, when I did, I found out she’s been talking to my sister the whole time. She hits me and starts telling how me her new bf is boring.
Yes it is a word.
You didn’t fall for that “bi” shit they all claim to try and make themselves supposedly sound more alluring? Good! That crap only works on the most gullible and desperate of beta schmucks under The Sun!
No I didn’t. She more or less got it from the shitty music she was into during the time. Kinda like how young girls are gonna be influenced by that new song out ‘cool for the summer’.
Whenever I hear a girl I’m interested in say she’s bi it translates in my head to she’s bipolar
Yeah they think if the throw that out there somehow we’ll value them more. I just shrug and say “Eh” after they spew it and transition the conversation to something totally mundane while in my head thinking “Jesus, what a sad, cliche bitch. This shit can’t end soon enough!”
Just took a cursory look at about thirty seconds of the music video for that song with the audio muted. What crap. Fuck, I hate Pop 40 bullshit with a passion for this exact reason!
Yeah, you’ll hear “she’s bi” on the front end and you’ll hear “but he wanted to fuck another woman with me in the room” on the back end as the result of your being “interested” in the bi angle, with no explanation whatsoever from her that this is the crap she actually wanted …
That whole “being bi” bollocks isn’t just a red flag, it’s a dripping crimson red flag.
Lol, once men show they are seriously willing to walk away and openly hit on other women and get flirty with other women infront of the girl they use to want, they realize the old chick wasn’t shit. It is why oneitis is silly.
It is my opinion the human brain may be wired for oneitis because for most of human evolution it worked this way, a woman was loyal or was forced by society to be to some extent.
The problem is that will lose you any girl. The less shits you give, the better she willt reat you, the harder she will work to get with you.
Women today can’t even flirt correctly, they simply copy behaviour of men who have banged them and dump them and made them feel like shit and repeat that behaviour against beta smucks.
These hos are not loyal.
That chick put the “O” in hOe.
chris brown agree
Seriously great read! You actually could write a book about your marriage I’m sure. All I can think is how much I know I’ll never get married. 1. Because the women I’m attracted to are way out of my league and… 2. Because I don’t have anywhere NEAR the energy to game chics, put up with shit testing, and risk losing my house, sanity or comfy life to some chicky who was nice to me for a few months. Marriage never has and never will be in the cards for me. I’m totally cool with it. I actually think that men who need “affection”, or “validation” from women are weak and scared to go through life by themselves. If I had to guess I’d say there are only about 5 to 10% of marriages which are healthy and uplift both partners lives. Just a guess though and like I said, I have no real experience.
for the last months, i have been thinking about why i do not have the energy to game, because i indeed wanted that validation still. but all the while, all my actions only alienated people from me, women in particular.
yesterday i lay in my bed and asked myself why i was doing that. what it got me. and the answer was simple: peace.
i share your opinion about the affection. it is why i quit contact to my mother. but despite this, i consider myself weak for not attempting game, because i know of a few wonderful moments i did spend with women and there is no reason not to experience it the full way. if i find the energy to do it, i will definitely be out there.
I get asked all the time why am I not in a relationship or why am I so apprehensive about marriage. I simply tell them that I value my peace and solitude. Of course they still don’t get it but that’s not my problem. I answer to no one but myself, why they have to deal with the multitude of associations that come with marriage.
it is quite curious, is it not. i was chatting with this one chick on facebook and had not even seen her yet and she already ‘analyzed’ me, because i had told her i am only interested in sex or a str.
‘why are you so afraid to bind yourself?’
she was 28 years old and had a child.
It’s always the women with children. hmmm…I wonder why that is, haha!
An ATM machine?
Bingo!
“Out of your league”??? Wow, ditch that mindset right quick, bro! If what you’re saying is strictly looks-based, let’s have you and them stand in a line after 40 years-old and see who’s held up better!
Well I didn’t so much mean looks. I’m 47 and I STILL like 25 year olds. I can game and flirt pretty well. Almost always get a laugh or a smile. When you get to be my age you can tell almost immediately if a chic will bang you or not. It’s just, like I said, do I wanna put in the energy to see this through? Do I wanna go to a club with this young hottie and drink alcohol, and MAYBE bang her in the end? Usually not. At 27 years old gaming and sex is NUMBER 1 in life. At 47 years old, it’s like 24th.
PS. A funny bit that a lesbo comedian said in her act (I think it was Paula Poundstone), and I’m para-phrasing here… “Women hit their sexual peek at 35. At 35, men are finding out they have a favorite chair.”
You’re looking at them like a LTR. Don’t. You’ve opened them, just need to close and then move on. Otherwise, join a seminary.
Like @BDITM:disqus said, ditch that mindset. Look in the fucking mirror and say “I’m the motherfucking prize!” Always have that mentality in the front of your mind because women pick up on it! and always hold your frame and never back pedal.
Sure as shit! On top of aging like fine wine instead of milk, who is the real voice of reason, of sound logic? The one who problem solves eloquently and the one who lives a more fulfilling, accomplished life without having to use sex appeal and body parts to get by? That’s right, men! All. Damn. DAY!
Preach!
You sound exactly like me.
The women I’m attracted to also seem out of my league.. which I hate to say.. but it seems that’s the verdict of the “sexual market.” And the women who do seem interested in me, I just can’t muster the sexual desire or interest.. because they just aren’t attractive or slim enough. I don’t think I have unrealistic standards.. I’m decent looking, tall, in decent shape, finances are in order.. but that just isn’t enough now to attract and find a slim, decent looking woman. They all have overinflated egos and/or are alpha widows.. having been fucked by guys way out of their league and mistakenly thinking one of the guys will be ready to commit to them any day soon.
I’m in my late 30s now, and my sex drive just isn’t high enough to put up with a woman’s bullshit.. if she’s just average looking and mediocre. When my sex drive was much higher in my 20s, I was pretty much an incel and wasn’t on the radar screen of any girls.. who were too busy spreading their legs for other guys. That was when I really longed for and needing a woman and sex.. Instead, I had nothing. Now, I’m used to not having sex or a woman .. and I doubt I’ll ever feel as strongly enough for a woman to ever want to marry her. Not to mention I’ve consumed too much Red Pill knowledge to be the typical beta schmuck who’s going to gamble my life, sanity and wealth on some post-wall bitch who’s had multiple dicks in her and now wants someone to put a ring around it and commit to her for her worst 30 years. Thanks but no thanks.
This is what being denied female companionship and sex during his most potent years does to a man. And this is the result of the current sexual market.. which is heavily skewed in favour of women. It’s a pyrrhic victory for women though.. they may “win” in the short term by having far more sexual power and options in their 20s than the men in their age bracket and looks department have.. but every man like who is left in the cold becomes damaged.. and develops a kind of immunity to women and pussy out of necessity and out of being denied it for so long.. and is one less man who is available to put a ring around it when that same woman finally finishes riding the cock carousel.
If only you were our nation’s leading sociologist. Great truths here.
What do you mean by “few minor hiccups” ?
Ouch! My ears are ringing from all the alarm bells.
Thank you for the bravery in sharing this though.
come think of it – if you had simply treated her bad all the way, you would have had a nice marriage, would you not?
Drug addict, single mom, paternity fraud, slut, tattoos… There was no nice marriage here.
i like whores. if they are pretty. there is some honesty about it that speaks to me. i am not proposing to “fix” her, but why not extend upon that one week of enjoyment?
Whores serve a valid purpose.
I’m with you on that logic. I have no problem knowing a girl is a whore, even if she downplays some of it. It’s the ones who tell lie after lie to make themselves seem completely innocent, building the gigantic illusion they’re angels. That I have a big problem with.
there has to be a smart way to capitalize on that dishonesty. like telling her – in general terms – what you expect from the kind of girl she pretends to be.
Until she tries to kill him.
why would she do that?
Because she was messed up. Treat her well, and she treats you like shit. Treat her like shit, and she treats you well, Treat her like shit all the time and eventually she will snap, stab you, and then play victim because you always treated her like shit.
i see the weird logic in it. no marriage then.
Yep. Don’t marry crazy. The best you offer crazy is a one night stand and a roll of quarters in the morning for a taxi.
I would change one thing here. You don’t need the taxi because you didn’t bang crazy in your own home… did you?
Always use a cheap motel with crazy. And don’t take your cell phone, use a pre-paid one.
I’m at the age where I wouldn’t even fuck crazy. Stay away from crazy all together. I guess if you’re going to do it, get a hotel room and a burner cell phone so she has no idea where you live and what your phone number is.
Or she calls the cops on you.
Either don’t put your dick in crazy or if it is the only option then do it under an assumed false identity and disappear into the night.
After a while, I really don’t want to be an asshole all the time. I would rather eject from the relationship than act that way just to get respect.
You are right that you shouldn’t have to treat a woman like dirt all the time in order for her to be nice to you. Yes, in a relationship you will need to maintain frame, tell her off when she’s being a bitch and tease her when she being nice.
But at the same time, a decent woman will be pleasant to be around even when you’re not in your top game. Of course, this chick was so bad, not even family courts would allow her custody of her child.
Some women are completely hopeless in that regard.
Guys, it was a major disappointment to me when I really found out what women want, like and how they really want to be treated. It takes more energy than you could’ve ever imagined. It’s like a constant game. Even in a close relationship. You have to keep things fresh, you have to make her wonder, you have to be at least a little shitty towards her….Ugh…exhausting. Like having a 2nd job.
Yep, it is a second job if you’re not a natural. And most men aren’t naturals at it.
I was not a natural. However, 20+ years of putting up with shitty behavior on the part of women have turned me into a natural born asshole. I can bitch slap a woman verbally without raising my blood pressure. My natural response is to not put up with even one bit of shit and to be skeptical about any good behavior on their part.
My ex was not a drug addict, did not have bastard children, was not a slut, but my marriage was at least as bad, if not worse. The real problem is being beta. Its always the frame that the man brings to the relationship. If you are a beta, you are doomed. Period.
It only matters that you no longer think that way. I don’t think anyone here blames men for being brainwashed in their youth considering the mindboggling extent of the indoctrination in the media and schools.
Still; what a cunt.
That picture with the white girl and the black guy is unrealistic. Or maybe it was shot 5 seconds before this.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/07/07/09/2A4B20C300000578-3151853-image-m-6_1436257017124.jpg
That was where she punched herself in the face to get attention? Don’t gasp in horror, my crazy ex admitted to doing that once.
That’s why have this business idea for a dating site where I hook up crazy women with black men. I haven’t found a way to filter them out but I think when it goes live it will be like the MMA of the dating scene.
She was all over the papers in Ireland, mudshark (he is from the dark continent), for shaming the guy for slapping her around. She has two bastard kids by the guy, baby momma. Nothing about her being a bitch just a victim of domestic violence. Whatever happened they’re talking about deporting the guy now. You have to smack my bitch up to get deported…..
I know the story, that’s why I picked that pic. It’s her own fault for mudsharking. Stupid girl. Still, he should get deported to the dark side of the moon.
Donovan I mighta missed it but I was wondering what your ex wife’s relationship to her dad was like.
I’m curious because of all the girls I’ve dated none of them would throw tantrums or act quite as childish as my ex who hated her father.
I was also thinking that perhaps her relationship to her father might have influenced your girl’s behaviour when you were going to make amends with your dad.
Her relationship with her father wasn’t terrible but she wasn’t close to him either. He’s a salt of the earth blue collar “God fearing” man who’s worked for the same company for 4 decades. He had a crack problem for a while which put a strain on the family but he managed to come out on the other side alright but by and large, Darcy’s relationship with him didn’t seem to suffer. She’s definitely “Daddy’s little girl”.
Predictably her mother pretty much hates her.
Thanks for sharing.
Great writing man cheers.
Stuff like this is why boys need to learn that love life isn’t like the Disney movies. Breaking away from that ideal of romance can be pretty stressful at later ages even if you don’t fall into the marriage trap.
I think about all the bullets I dodged over the years. While I’ve been engaged twice, I never tied the knot. Some other red flags:
1) She acts afraid of you. Good indication that she came out an abusive relationship. If she acts like a bitch, you raise your voice, and then she has a look of genuine terror, get the hell away from her because she is damaged goods.
2) Across the kink horizon. It’s a bit harder to pin down but there is a point where a bit too much BDSM, too many bedroom games, toys and whatever points to some deeper issues. Usually, this will be accompanied by other signs such as fucked up hair, tattoos, or cutting scars for example.
3) Learn to spot BPD. I had never heard of Borderline Personality Disorder until after spending a year and a half with a woman who probably had it.
*If she falls head over heels for you, rocks your world within the first few dates, and then declared her undying love, then hold your horses because you might be in for a ride.
*Then she displays paranoia, a fear of abandonment, mood swings, anger, perhaps violent outbursts, and maybe even suicidal tendencies especially as a control mechanism to manipulate you.
*It’s insidious because they can come off as a manic pixie dream girl but then turn on you; and then go right off the edge when you try to get away after she turns on you.
4) Excessive career ambition. YMMV but if you want to have kids then something has to give. Getting a PhD and then working 60 hours a week until she is in her late 30s isn’t going to make for a good married life.. If you aren’t going to have kids and do not have political ambitions, there is no point to getting married anyways.
Yeah but bro “abuse” is thrown around like candy now and said so willy-nilly you absolutely have to take it with half of a grain of salt when a women says this about her past.
The way I see it more often than not, the ex didn’t give her exactly what she wanted how she wanted when she wanted (for whatever the heck reason, maybe he straight-up didn’t feel like it!) so she germinated this into “abuse” to play-up The Eternal Victim Card. Let that shit go in one ear and out the other when you hear it!
The general rule with women is to pay attention to what they do, not what they say. Then again, if she is playing he Eternal Victim Card, that is probably not someone you want to keep around very long either.
Spot-on. Those you keep for two pumps then dump (I’m greedy and not shy about it, so I’m usually content with two uses before disposing of properly).
Not even a hat trick? Brutal!
Eh, maybe sometimes, if the time/money/energy expenditures are minimal. Always have to put it in perspective of how many A) resources it will take to accomplish B) pussy, and if the return on investment is justifiable or not.
Not only that, if you think you’re the only dude she’s talking to or actively banging, you’re badly deluded as is.
If a girl makes it a point to tell me she’s not seeing other guys, I assume she is. Mind you, she will likely bring up the idea of exclusivity, or flat out lie to create the illusion that’s what’s happening.
Sure I’ll go on banging her for a while, but if I come across proof she is with others and she hasn’t at least totally covered it up well (not that I go looking), I dump her on the spot. Why? Because I actually hold women accountable for what comes out of their manipulative lying ass mouths.
Bro, that device in her hands that she never looks up from? That’s her conduit to myriad of men just lying in wait for a shot at that ass. She knows it, we know it. Ever see a girl at a bar around closing time thumb-hammering away at her iLife? She’s isn’t texting other women at no 2am, that’s for damn sure! Any woman she’s friends with is with her at that bar already!
Women in PhD programs put on jet-packs before they collide with the wall…
Long hours, late nights, constant examination, cold sterile environment, no time/energy for fitness, all her friends eat carbs all day to deal with the stress.
It depends on the program and the woman in question, but yes. I just called off my engagement because she decided she wanted to start a business rather than start a family. No time for kids, for me, or to hit the gym: I don’t want that in a wife.
Good call!
Damn, sorry dude… feminism/hyperconsumption/YOLO’ing has gone global- good luck finding a woman anywhere in the world who wont change her tune suddenly.
It’s counter-YOLO in a way. She is mid-30s and I am late 40s so not having kids in the next year or so makes it vanishingly remote that either of us will ever have kids, either together or with someone else. Ah well. Either serendipity strikes or it is LBFMs for the next 35 years.
Was informed yesterday a friend of mine’s wife – who wants to get involved in the Colorado marijuana industry – wants a divorce to leave him behind and move to CO. They’re currently living in Cleveland. Good thing they had no kids, he’s not wealthy, so not sure how this will shake out, but I’d expect no less than for her to attempt some sort of financial gain to propel her weed career at his expense.
It would be interesting to know how that go in terms of alimony. So she takes half of the property, but would a judge force him to support her while she tries to set herself up as a drug queenpin?
The alimony law (where I live at least) takes into account the income difference between him and her and it tries to even that IF she’s not above a certain income threshold.. If she is, then she’s getting alimony for… I don’t know 60% of how long the marriage lasted. Assets are split.. if there is a house, that’ll be sold and the proceeds divided.. same for all other assets.. If kids are involved she pretty much cleans him up when it comes to assets, and then alimony and child support on top of it.. Add the child medical insurance that the father pays 100%(another 2-300 bux)… Then all the children extra curriculum activities divided by 2 (day care, camps, doctor visits, after school programs.. on and on). That’s in a nutshell. So, not sure if you caught this, but the child support payments (20% of the father’s NET income) and the alimony goes to HER no questions asked.. At the end of it after the man pays his income tax(federal + state), social security (and all the other bullshit), alimony, child support, child care expenses (divided by 2), he pretty much gets 40% of his gross income. That’s it… for the next 18 years.. Extremely shitty deal…
I was talking to my lawyer and he’s telling me, men that make very good money (100K and up) don’t have money to put gas in their cars in order to get to work.. Keep in mind, that 100K doesn’t come easy.. These are very stressful jobs.. So you go break your back, but at the end of it you are a slave to her. Somebody explain to me: What in fuck name is this if not modern day slavery to the State and the Feminine.
GUYS! DO-NOT-GET-MARRIED.. Get castrated, it’s a better option.
I’ve heard that most weed growers are struggling. It’s too easy of a gig. Too many people doing it. I hope that idiot fails.
In the above case, the soon-to-be-ex wanted to start a grow-op. Wit basically any business start-up you are going to lose money in the short term and not make particularly good money in the medium term. My interest is in seeing how a judge would handle a plea of “income differential” when she heads to another state to be a dope grower – er – “entrepreneur”. Maybe the guy should start a rock band and go on tour so he can claim their incomes are equal.
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I used to practice family law in British Columbia. The worst case scenarios are a) long term marriage with no kids but wifey always played house and never learned a marketable skill b) medium term marriage with young kids.
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The government released a paper on standardizing spousal support (alimony). The no-kids formula was something like 1.5% to 2% of the income differential for about the same length as the relationship, with anything over 20 being considered “for life”. So 25 years could be 50% of the difference – which effectively divided your combined income in half – for life. The only saving grace is that the support payments are tax write offs, but if she is making minimum wage and you are making low six figures (say, $100k more than her) you are paying $50k a year in support and your marginal tax rate is about 65% between paying her and the government. (And with the HST – VAT – you really only get to spend 30 cents for every extra dollar you earn.)
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The other nightmare scenario is where you have been married 5 or 10 years, then have kids, then get divorced. She still gets half the property (it’s more likely you could keep what you brought in if the marriage only lasted a year or two), you will probably end up without custody so you pay the child support, and while the kids are young and especially if she has no job skills she will stay home and you will be on the hook for a bunch of spousal support. The above formula goes out the window and they use a different formula with the stated intent of equalizing the standard of living in the households. In practice, she stays at home with the kids in a spacious apartment and the guy lives in a wooden shack and eats cat food after coming home from work on the bus because he can’t afford a car.
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I think the worst case I dealt with was where a guy (my client) caught his wife cheating and then she changes the locks and calls the cops after he went out for a few drinks to take the edge off. They had three young kids and employed a live-in nanny at the cost of about $20k a year. She had just got a promotion while he was transitioning into a different field so she actually made more money than him. Her argument was that he should be making more – the same as her – and should then pay child support (roughly 25% of his net income) and then half of the cost of the nanny (about $600 a month after tax effects). Leading up to trial, he got a job making $60k a year, about the same as her. I got the child care costs knocked down by a third because the nanny was also doing housekeeping chores in addition to caring for the children. Still, child support was almost $1200 a month and then child care was about $550 and taxes were about $850 including child care deductions, so that left him with less than $2400 a month to live on. If he didn’t land the better job but the judge imputed his income, and the had to pay half of the full cost of the nanny, he would have had about a thousand a month to live on (wife’s household income was something like $7000 a month).
Unmontherfuckingbelievable.
Ah the very hypocrisy of the legal system. If I get an update, which will be months away I’m sure, I’ll post here or reveal the outcome on RVF.
I was set up on blind dates- both beginning phds(maybe one was a masters) at 30 years old! They were already haggard looking, yet thought more schooling was the best bet…
There’s a reason they’re called “bluestockings”: when they crank up the jet-packs, the wind rushing by chills the skin to the point that they turn blue …
(cf. Evil Feminist Smurfs)
As a man that hangs out with professionals (men and women) all day… and goes to medical conferences in two countries semi-regularly, I can at least anecdotally confirm that professional women hit the wall with extreme force.
It is an extreme minority of professional women that I’ve met that also take time to exercise multiple times a week and eat healthy as well…. add to that, I have found that a lot of women that work in medicine tend to smoke and dabble in drugs most other women do not.
I take pretty much anything a girl says was “done to her” in previous relationships and assume the SHE, was in fact, the one doing the very thing she made a point of telling you was done to her.
– Boyfriend cheated on her all the time? < Naw, she probably cheated on him first at least, if not most, if not only her cheating on him… the whole time, and got dumped after being busted for the 10th time by her blue-piller in denial.
– Boyfriend was abusive? < Naw, she was probably intentionally a constantly vague bitch to leave giant time windows open to get away with her secret double life of entitlement, thus he merely reacted logically and put her in her place. Or, she started manipulating the relationship and he got fed up with it and made a stand or two. Physical fights? I doubt he beat her ass first, or he’d be in jail for it. She probably slapped him, and he jacked her in return, or held her down, or verbally put her beneath him because her actions warranted it.
By assuming the opposite of what I’m being told is the truth, I’ve dodged many a bullet. If I was wrong, so what? At my age, I don’t have time for 24/7 shit tests. Not giving a shit if I pass or fail them, I’d rather eliminate the problem and run the numbers.
If she has a PhD, there’s a good chance she won’t be working, but you could wind up paying for those student loans.
Again, it depends on the program. I met a Chinese/Australian girl in Xiamen who was doing her PhD in chemical engineering. It was actually a work placement combining academic elements (I think some coursework and a dissertation). She seemed to have enough time to party and I suspect that she has subsequently found a decent job back in Aussieland.
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Meanwhile, a friend’s brother got married and it was a disaster in the making, but I never heard the punchline. He was doing his PhD in medieval art history while she was doing hers in Byzantine art. I think the only thing that made it all possible was that he had a trust fund from his wealthy MD father and I think she came from a monied family as well. Oh, and they were studying in London, which is ridiculously expensive.
Graduate art majors = trust fund kiddies
They barely cope with the understaning how others make their way in life.
Just curious of your circumstances of avoiding 2 marriages. I was engaged once, she broke it off, and I gratefully acknowledge this wonderful fact every day when I wake up. She called it off over the telephone without any explanation, after I had moved out of (but rented out and not sold!) my old house, so I was temporarily homeless and it fucked me up for a good couple of months.
But good god I would have been miserable, starting in week 1, and can see that so clearly now. How were you able to avoid marriage after coming so close twice?
The short answer is that in case #1 money issues brought out various incompatibility problems. In case #2 we had committed to spending more time together and making each other our first priority, and settle down to start a family, but then she seems to have changed her mind after a couple of months and went back to working long hours, taking business trips on the weekend, and setting up a new business. The result was that I did not see her at all for about six weeks. We agreed to call it off at that point.
Advice about number 3: steal her blade collection so she won’t go Slashy/Slashy on you or herself …
Why the fuck didn’t anyone tell me all this 23 years ago?
Great article. Thanks
yeah, I could have used this shit 23 years ago too… problem is not even our fathers were aware of this stuff, most were blue pill to the core themselves..
And most 50 plus men are blue pill to their soul. Even after miserable, dull lives and divorce, most look at me like I’m some kind of circus freak because I saw through marriage.
When the kid is more alpha than the father …
[yeah, this isn’t foreign territory here]
I think almost every guy on this site has a story about that moment when the veil was lifted from their eyes and the true nature of western women was revealed.
I think an important point from your story was when you described how finally telling your then wife to shut the fuck up set her straight and had her acting more like a wife. What’s even more important was how you didn’t pick up on the fact that by being assertive and dominant this is what caused here change of attitude.
It’s scary to see how men in todays gynocentric society are conditioned to ignore these types of obvious truths about females and how to get them to actually treat you with respect . We are creating waves of beta pushovers and allowing women to basically “hide in plain sight” when it comes to their shitty behavior.
I’ve made it my personal mission to start passing on little nuggets of neo-masculine wisdom to the younger men in my family ( all around 11-17) in regards to women and the current societal state in America. Since society will try to set them up to be beta providers to the next wave of retired 30 year old whores, men like us really need to take a proactive approach to educating the younger generations. I refuse to let them make the same mistakes I made because of lack of knowledge on the subject.
It’s embarrassing and infuriating that it took several shitty relationships and next to zero success with women using beta-blue pill strategies that I was force fed my whole life before I realized that I was going about the process all wrong. What’s the definition of insanity again… doing the same activity over and over and expecting different results every time right?
For me, telling her to shut the fuck up was the critical message of the article, even more so than the “Don’t wife up a ho” one (not that that one isn’t important, but the former is less obvious and applies to all relationships, not just marriage). Don’t put up with their bullshit when they are ranting and raving. Women, whether they want to admit it or not, deeply want a dominant male to take charge and put them in their place. I truly believe that. Sure, there might be exceptions, but in the vast majority of cases this is true.
For example, if your girl says “What do you want for dinner tonight?”, don’t say something like “I don’t mind. What do you want?”, say “Steak” or “Chicken”. Girls hate an indecisive guy. And if you make it clear you won’t tolerate their bullshit, they will respect you.
I have seen even the most militant feminist all too willingly become a submissive wife when a strong man entered their life. All that BS about being “liberated”, not wanting a boyfriend etc was just to disguise the fact she was deeply unhappy and insecure. Never forget that. Feminism brainwashes them, but they can’t fight biology. They don’t want to dominate a man… they want to be dominated
Agreed that the man should be assertive, but there is a lot of truth to “I don’t want to be with a woman I have to treat like shit” as well.
I don’t want to marry a child.
I understand most women are children.
Therefore, I do not marry.
https://www.mypoints.com/emp/u/videos.vm
Look at the first video that comes up entitled “Women, here are some ways to take charge in the bedroom”. Check out the thing that is dispensing such advice.
Yeah, we’re fucked.
Great Article, Donovan. Thank you for sharing.
People may hate her, but Dr. Laura’s advice of dating for at least 2 years before marriage saved my butt MULTIPLE times, you can be on your best behavior for about a year, year and a half before you start seeing the real person.
I can attest to this! I was in a LTR and things were great for about a year. However, the second year was completely toxic. It had to end no matter the promises she made. That relationship was the catalyst to finding the manosphere.
with tight game you can see through things in the first few hours of meeting her…..no need to wait for two years 🙂
Good luck with that.
Yeah. Another ‘game conquers all scenarios’ fantasist.
My favorite strain is that game can magically turn a nation of pigs into some kind of paradise.
“With game, Couer D’ Alene, Idaho is as good as Rio”
You gotta like the woman you’re with, looks and sex aside. If she isn’t the type of person, let alone woman, you’d actually hang out with on your personal time, it’ll never work.
I took the liberty of fixing your knight.
“The armor I have donned and the steed I ride
are so dark in colour, they stand as one with the night.
Except for crimson eyes, bright as fires of hell in which I was forged.
And as we rode from hell, the sound of thunder did clap as lightning split the sky.
To join my brothers and fight for the kingdom that was once ours.”
Thanks, Darius!
Probably a small miracle you didnt have any children with her.
Silver lining
Seriously dude, it doesn’t take a Red Pill to see she wasn’t wife material. Ex’s name tattoo, meth user, no-custody mother, office bike…each one of these is a deal breaker even to a mid-witted Blue Piller. It’s great that you learned some lessons here but some basic moral education is probably your more pressing need.
As author mentioned, he did not have a good relationship with is father. This life example once again illustrates the importance of a good strong father in a boy’s life. Mothers can not raise boys by herelf regardless if she is financially capable.
Fathers who talk to their sons realistically are the key. I constantly remind my son not to believe in the fairy tale shows on TV. This is an important concept to put in your son’s brain on a regular basis.
Arm chair QB analysis is all well and good but as I stated in the caption and in the article, hindsight is always 20/20. I’m glad to know that you’ve never missed or ignored a red flag, never misjudged, or ever had a misstep with a woman in your life. Your basic moral education is no doubt the reason for your success.
I have a friend who is currently in a LTR. for me, the writing is on the wall. But this guy is having a hard time unplugging. He has read many ROK articles. I see red pill glimpses but no significant changes in mindset. Quite frankly, I don’t understand it. It’s like they want to be fooled. They hold on to the the idea of “the one.” Anyway, I reached the point where I am done giving advice. I’ve supplied all the necessary tools and resources for a paradigm shift. up to them now. I’ll step aside with my popcorn and watch their demise.
You can always lead a horse to water but you can’t make it drink.
Well said, sir.
Wisdom in old sayings….
Early in my Navy days the saying was told to me as; you can lead a horse to water but sometimes you have to apply a 200# suction to his ass to make him drink. most ex-wives apply that suction and most men eventually drink from the well of wisdom (usually too late).
A man is always searching for someone or something to enslave him, for only as a slave does he feel secure – and, as a rule, his choice falls on a woman.
A man is a human being who works. By working, he supports himself, his wife, and his wife’s children. A woman, on the other hand, is a human being who does not work – or at least only temporarily. Most of her life she supports neither herself nor her children, let alone her husband.
True of today….. back before all this feminism bullshit men and women would work together in a relationship to bring up their family. Not any more…..
those days are long gone. i congratulate the man who is still in this situation or is able to find himself a woman of high moral character.
As with most things, a person has to seek out something or realize something for themselves before they are truly open to it. You’ve planted the seeds and all you can do now is help him connect the dots and sit back and wait for him to make the connection in his own mind.
Most definitely. I don’t mind helping at all. I’ll provide guidance only in the event it is asked for. other than that, I’ll just listen.
There’s not much you can do here except wait for the shoe to drop and nudge in the appropriate direction.
Agreed. Guidance will be provided if the individual asks for it. It will no longer be initiated by me.
Pussy is a potent drug that affects your judgement. Once he’s out of the ltr he’ll look back and say wtf
I hear ya! However, this guy is firmly plugged in. The hope is that most or some of us at one point were in the same shoes and now look at us–the awakened.
Or when that chronic dose of testosterone subsides when he gets older. That’s what affects your judgment.
it takes time to unplug from the matrix.
but when you do…..it is indeed the most liberating feeling in the world.
Also I believe that only the worthy shall reap the benefits of red pill…..rest of them will get slaughtered.It’s sad to see some of your closest friends not being able to see the light.
I hear ya! i don’t expect it to happen overnight. But there have been so massive red flags and the justification and compliance continues. I feel for the guy and want to help. Heck, no one was around for me, i didn’t on my own. I am just trying to make sure he doesn’t make the same mistakes i did. unfortunately, that is how most people learn.
When I unplugged and recognize all the untapped potential I hide; all the power.
You are correct, he does want to be fooled. I just recently met a girl that I really like and I can feel the allure of the blue pill. I refuse to take it but some girls make you want to dream.
I understand. It can be very tempting and easy to fall into the allure. After all, we are creatures with emotions. But we also must remain strong.
It’s why side pieces were invented.
I’ve found men to be more emotional sentimental creatures than the “fairer” sex. Often to our detriment.
Interesting the abusive ex’s – and she responded positively to being treated poorly. Definitely broken.
I apply the same realizations this article presents in any relationship with women – more then a fuck buddy – after about 3 months now. Needlesstosay, I end a lot of them unless the sex is top 3%, for which I’ll go the extra mile to see if there’s a way to make it work (longer anyways), or transition to fuck buddy status only.
The fact remains, there are decent women out there, that have done very mellow versions of a “colored past,” so they’re decent marriage prospects “on paper.” However, be certain even the tamest marriage prospects WILL “life play you.” Having 2-3 kids with you, and out of the fucking blue, BANG “Honey I want a divorce, I need to ‘find myself’ and you’re holding that back from happening.” << or some similar bullshit.
I have one kid (accidentally), and never married her cunt entitled mother. She uses child support and the family courts as form of state-forced validation for getting herself validation.
Go “find yourself” at the bottom of a lake, bitch!
I was about to date this single mom who I used to work with a few years ago. She had the Superwoman sign tattooed above her vagina. All of a sudden I remembered this loser douche who worked with us and he had a superman tattoo. These two dated for a while so I asked her how long she had that tattoo for and she said about 4 years, why?(same time she was dating that dildo, so matching tattoos) I told her she is damaged goods and left her in the half price Walmart bin for some white knight to pick up.
Yeah! My man!
Half price? Bargin bin more like….. the kind of shit lasts for a few weeks then breaks into pieces…..
Bitches are crazy.
Those red flags were a doozy eh, Sharpe? Great extrapolating to showcase where things went south. On your ex and Her being late and whiny when you wished to patch things up with your dad, it seems like she was jealous and deliberately sabotaged your meeting so she could have something over you. Can’t allow you to be happy while she is miserable now can she?
It seems the fairy tale wedding crowd are also the most likely to be treacherous enough to hate themselves. And usually for good reason. Cheating on spouses. Shitting on partners in public. And often sticking it through because neither you or them have enough confidence to believe you can get better. You’ve clearly made great strides since your divorce. Thanks for sharing your past fuck ups. We re all a bit wiser for it.
That whole “Can’t you just call him?” bit was fucking vile. These women always try to find the path of least resistance solution to everything and are so profligate with loyalty and relationships (not just with men, but with female friends, family, jobs, you name it!) that they have no hesitation in burning bridges without thinking of the consequences of their actions, just so long as it makes them feel good/safe/young/attractive right then and there!
This tactic was a test to see if you would bend for HER. That’s it. She wants to see if she was the most important thing in your life that you would give up something that means so much to you for her.
Never do that, no matter how much she says she wants you to. It’s all bullshit.
No problem at all. I’ve got one more story and trust me when I tell you that you will cringe when you read it.
To give you a bit of a preview, let’s just say this is a Captain Save-A-Ho story to end all Captain Sav-A-Ho stories.
Its so good, you got promoted to Major Save a ho?
Even President Save A Ho.
Try General…..
“Can’t allow you to be happy while she is miserable now can she?”
Exactly this is starting to show on my ex lately. Unbelievable how predictable they are..
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THANK GOD, WOMEN ARE LIKE THAT. It separates the boys from the men.
Yes, marriage (today) is a dangerous adventure from a purely legal point but apart from that REMEMBER you will not find a woman who loves you like your mother did. Because this is what the author was expecting and what most of the commentators here hint when they say they prefer their peace and quiet.
Women are bitches for a good reason, they practice Eugenics. Without women’s ability to select men, humans would have degenerated long time ago. Alpha fucks, beta fucks is beneficial for the evolution of humanity.
The most important rule to go by is: When you marry a woman, you adopt a child. She is not your lover, she is not your mother, she is not even your partner in the business of raising children. She can only help you but only if you treat her like you are her father. If you treat her like an equal (or God forbid put her on a pedestal) and she will remind you straight away that you’re going wrong.
Woman’s body is a deformed male body and she needs a strong man to support her like the small child needs his/her parents when growing up. Woman’s body is usually much colder that the man’s, so again she needs the man’s energy (the yang) to offset her Yin. The coldness, the Yin means death. She needs you to stay alive, to stay hot. A hot woman (rare breed these days) of course needs a man who is even hotter, that’s why she is more selective. So if you’re not hot enough, she will remind you and resent you and for a good reason. When the author shouted at her, he showed some passion, that there is some heat in him and of course, she acted accordingly.
You don’t have to treat women badly, treat them right, with firmness and with passion and they will respond positively.
So gentlemen, don’t blame women for being women. They keep real men men.
I feel like this is going to be an underappreciated comment.
Good grief. Take your own advice some day and see how far it gets you. I have a friend who took that route. He did 6 years in a state slam.
Corrective action would be neccessary to descipline that “child” you described. A child that has the crushing power of the state with even her lying word will get you incarcerated to boot.
Good luck.
Just to clarify, are you saying that the physical body heat level of a woman has a correlation to her level of quality?
“I told my mother “I don’t want to be with a woman I have to treat like shit to be treated well.”
I would like to emphasize this point, if you are with a girl where you are constantly playing mind games, get out quick. It’s not worth it, and it’s no way to live life, always wondering if you are acting “Alpha” enough for her, fuck that shit, I would rather be gay.
Its just like haggling. If they show no signs of meeting you halfway, walk away. Then they drop their price.
The woman sounds like a bloody nightmare in every way, and yet she managed to get a rich accountant to wife her up afterwards? There seems to be no shortage of desperate men – what professional wealthy guy would marry a slut with her ex’s initials tattooed on her?
Can I ask what the ‘blue pill’ Donovan thought when the sex stopped? You mention that there was no sex for a year – did you just think that was ‘normal’? (a friend of mine is in a sexless marriage which is driving him insane but seems to think I’m ‘shallow’ in saying that a complete lack of sex is a deal breaker).
You are a wiser man now, but there are many men who have those blue-pill attitudes, and will work hard to try and please a whining bitch who won’t have sex with them…what I’d really like to know is…WHY? What is in it for the guy? Is it a ‘mother’ issues thing? Have these men made their women their ‘gods’, to be pleased regardless of the sacrifice involved?
“a friend of mine is in a sexless marriage which is driving him insane but seems to think I’m ‘shallow’ in saying that a complete lack of sex is a deal breaker”
I think your friend is fooling himself and trying to justify his situation by calling you shallow.
I know he is, and he knows too. He only made the comment once and I know that he respects my honesty – I’m the only male friend he has who is a good enough friend to be honest about how messed up the whole thing is. Ultimately he has to make his own choices, though.
that’s a good sign. I wish him the best.
I think he is trying to justify keeping her on to avoid an expensive divorce. In reality he would have half his money but feel 10 times better. Bargain.
Why do divorces cost so much? Because they are worth every penny.
I think porn makes this possible for men to put up with these days or something, but it still drives them crazy. Seriously.
Know a guy bringing in six figures and his wife doesn’t put out for months or years at a time. She sticks with him for money, he sticks with her for whatever reason.
But the hatred between them is palpable. Lots of fake couple behavior, but they loathe one another. He because she will not give herself to him and she because he is too weak willed to command and take her.
When he gets drunk it comes out violently. He says some disturbing shit when they argue. And she responds in the cruelest way possible, which is to laugh at him and further insult his masculinity.
Toxic shit.
He needs a mistress.
He needs a lot of things lol
Interestingly enough I blamed myself when the sex stopped. So I went online and saw a bunch of articles about how doing chores around the house made a husband more attractive to his wife and that having “monthly talks about the state of the marriage” helps marriages. Needless to say none of those two methods came close to working.
Thank heavens you found the manosphere!
I know a dude who married a woman he hadn’t had sex with for a year and a half. He loves to cook and does all the cooking in the house, and has her on a pedestal.
Thankfully we know why he’s not getting any, so can avoid a similar fate.
Thank you for sharing your experiences so frankly, they will save other men from wasting time and money on such women.
I’d like to be able to shake my head and say, “Damnit, man, how could you not see that shit right in front of your face?!” But, I would be lying if I said that my younger and more inexperienced self hadn’t fallen for some of the stupidest shit when it came to getting a piece of ass on the regular.
This right here is proof that we’re all born little boys, we have to grow the fuck up into being a man. That’s something that fewer and fewer boys these days can do.
it’s only getting worse because the institution/school system suppresses male behavior. Thus, creating new waves of beta males.
QFT right there. The modern American “school” system serves up nothing but revisionist history, self loathing ideals, feminist indoctrination, and emasculation of males. This is what we get for letting those good hearted, wonderful liberals take control of the education system.
TRUTH!
I cannot stand liberals. Don’t get me started there.
Wait for war with Russia…. guys are going to have to grow the fuck up pretty damn quick or get their asses handed to them.
Did anyone else’s public school have a “Don’t fight back” rule? At my high school, it was five school days’ suspension plus a $300 fine for each participant in a fight, regardless of circumstances.
Not in my high school. I went to a high school in a predominantly underprivileged area. Lots of gang members and such. those type of penalties did not exist then, perhaps now they do.
I hated that rule. My mom told me to fight back anyway.
it’s easy to be blinded by pussy, especially when you’re young. happened to most of us
Sharpe, your articles are the highlight of logging on to my computer at work every Tuesday morning! The wit, the wisdom, the comedy… Keep them coming!
Thanks man, I appreciate that. I try to show readers that ROK contributors aren’t natural born Casanovas or that we haven’t had our share of missteps with women. In this climate it takes a lot of hard work to have success with women on the regular. Telling these stories is important because it gives readers a glimpse into the raw truth of actual real life unfiltered events that lead us all here in the first place.
And honestly, as I read them, I can relate to so many of the events and bullshit lines/cop outs that you enumerate and I’m sure many other of The Men can as well. It’s almost getting predictable in advance what these Americunts will say and do before they even do it. Sucks bad that you have to approach these things like a game of chess and always be strategizing instead of simply having fun and enjoying them. The government’s noose hanging over you waiting to drop any time you engage a woman even so slightly anymore makes you want to throw up your hands and say “Fuck it!” and just focus on investing, honing the mind/body/spirit to perfection and slaying pussy for minimal use then moving on to the next. Entirely fulfilling? Not really, but definitely safer than handing your entire future to someone and relying on hope to keep you intact (“I HOPE you like me enough forever to not use Daddy Government to throw me on the streets if you suddenly meet someone else who give you better tingles!”). Yeah, no thanks!
My ex was a living, breathing, ambulatory red flag, draped in red flags, who spoke, breathed and pooped red flags. But she was hot, and I was young and strong and convinced I could handle anything, So, I fucked her until I knocked her up, and then entered into the 10th circle of hell (marriage). It was a true living nightmare, but, still and all, the sex was worth it.
Really now, was the sex worth it?
Yes. It was.
No sex is worth all that BS. Good yes, but never that good that you sacrifice that part of your life for.
ur insane
I’ve never claimed otherwise
18 year baby tumour.
Glad to see you found your balls Donovan. I won’t say “again”…. ha ha. Been there done that….. the paying for everything, holidays, cooking (although I like it), driving bitch round in car, etc. Always had some red pill in me but was supressed due to “respecting women” being part of my up bringing.
ROK and other manosphere sites have brought the red pill to the fore. Not slaying a whole lot but now I can spot a ho at 1,000 paces. The quality is thin on the ground and the red flags are many. Living my life for me now. Making a plan, get outta debt, work out, travel and get my nob polished…..
Keep up the good work Donovan…. its the only way they will learn….
Stolen from the forum….
whoever made this gif should be congratulated a million times
Yea, every time I see it I laugh my ass off…..
It’s all part of the learning experience. I’m sure we’d all like to travel back in time and slap the shit out of our younger selves. The point is you now know, that is half the battle. Rise above the ashes like a phoenix.
The mixed race couple in that one pic is offensive.
Shits given = zero
When is the next klan meeting and do I need to bring my own bedsheet?
Way back in the 20th century when I was 18, the conventional blue pill wisdom never sat right with me. I attribute it in part to my late father being Silent Generation rather than Baby Boomer; he never subscribed to the myths of the latter. My friends would say, “You should treat her better, Andrew,” i.e. be a nice guy. Every time I did, she gradually lost interest. It never made sense to me until I discovered the manosphere.
I can relate. I think some males have this innate ability, or gut feeling of when something is not right. I had zero guidance from my father when it came to women. But deep down I knew how to spot the red flags. Perhaps I was just a very observant teenager.
“Perhaps I was just a very observant teenager.”
Which made you a pariah amongst peer students and HS faculty.
Yeah, I was reluctant when SETTING UP THE FIRST DATE with my ex who I was engaged to. I sensed several warning flags. I actually hung up the phone mid-conversation and sat there for about 5 minutes before I called her back, deciding whether or not I should see her. It’s easy to spot the warning flags, even when we choose to ignore them.
I think with the gynocentric indoctrination we get throughout grade school clouds our innate abilities to spot these types of women. It’s a battle between our biological programming and social indoctrination.
I flat out rejected single mothers before I know what “Red Pill”, “Tom Lykus” etc was.
It never made any sense to spend my finite resources on another man’s child. There’s a reason why male lions murder the cubs of usurped males.
I often thought that too, when I start a family, that woman’s vagina will have only had my kid being Pushed out of it.
Not only do I not want a vag that has been destroyed by another man’s child, I would never tolerate another man’s child living in my house, consuming my resources or aggravating me in any way. I’d kill it first. Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.
forget about wifing them up…they should atleast be attractive.
why settle for single mothers when you can get HOTTER…YOUNGER AND TIGHTER pussy without the baggage.
Good shit, Donovan.
‘pprecaite that. When are we going to see another one from you man? I dig your work.
“During our conversation she revealed… that her ex-husband used to beat her.”
This is the sort of thing that most well-adjusted women wouldn’t spring on you right away.
If she has horror stories about multiple exes that’s a good sign she’s a bipolar nutcase. Chances are she’ll be telling the next sucker about how you abused her.
Nail on the head. What I left out was that about 4 years into our marriage she was diagnosed with Bi-Polar Disorder and a slew of other mental health issues. Great catch on that.
Yoikes! The accountant is in for a whole world of hurt…. and all those kids???? Another generation of fuk ups…..
Yes. Check out youth offenders to see the real result of this stellar parenting model. Fucked up parents(s)= tomorrow’s cell dwellers.
Ouch. I know several guys who got involved with BPD women and they all turned out bad. The worst was the chick who went off her meds, left her husband taking their two year old son with them after shaving her head and running off with the dyke gym instructor. The husband was more than distraught as it came out of the blue.
I still don’t believe BPD is real. Every woman needs a leash, just some are worse than others. Some need cracked a leash once a year to keep the estate and bad ones need hog tied twice a week to keep the place from burning. Some exemplary women respond to a whisper or raised eyebrow alone. I lived for a long time with a chick that was on a handfull of daily head pills. I accidentally took her meds once instead of my vitamins before working out (biking) and it felt like I was on PCP for about three hours. I think she acclimated to the head buzz from the meds and craved it more than anything else. On her meds she was a jellyfish and even ‘nice guy’ kept her corralled. Off her meds, asshole game worked naturally and quickly every time. But without ‘A’game, she’d withdraw and become clinically speddy (stupid) and start calling hotlines nonstop for minor reasons and she’d forget who her man was. She’d even try to seduce the white knight cops that came running when she called hotlines but I couldn’t run ‘A’game on her in front of cops. But alone with her I’d posture and do her a quick ‘reset’ with ‘A’game and she’d snap out of her shit in half a second. WN’s and their industry is the real problem and threat to men. They practice ‘obstruction of patriarchy’. Asshole frame and slight sharia hammer kept her good for the longest stretches. The BPD meds were 50% a pharmaco scam for sure.
Yes. Stay off the pills, bad news. Getting off them even worse news. BPD is the catch bucket diagnosis. Reject the BS and just work at becoming a better person.
I do think that a mentally-ill people have a lot more control over their actions than they let on. I’ve heard it claimed that they have no control over their actions, but it always seems like they’re able to hide the crazy at work or while courting a new partner. As soon as they think you’re attached enough to tolerate their tantrums, look out.
Big Pharma definitely has a firm grip over the hearts and minds of crazies. In my beta days I kept around mentally-disturbed individuals and even then I was really sick of their shit. I’d tell a depressed girl to try a vitamin D supplement, get outside more, and not stay up until 4 AM. I’d tell a guy with anxiety issues to cut down on the fucking caffeine and take up jogging. But no, they always wanted to increase their dosage of medication.
Slight sharia hammer! hahahah
The craftier ones claim they get along great with their exes (especially the one(s) they have kids with), but the fact still remains, why (really) aren’t they together with something as important as kids on the line? There’s always the hidden truth. As society evolves, they get better at concealing this shit… that’s my experience anyways.
Wow that is some willful blindness their Donovan…been there….
kid, drugs, cock carousel at work…and exBF tattooed initials on her…that is hard to top!!! WOW!
I thought my marriage was pretty darn good. The “manosphere” just confirmed it.
Bruh…..
At least you made the right decision in the end and lets be hones almost all of us have been there too.
Always thought my Mom was an naïve idiot when I was younger. She was very opinionated about the girls I dated and had a fit when I brought home a single mother when I was 20. She told me that if the baby’s dad wouldn’t marry her, I shouldn’t have anything to do with her either. I always just thought that was the fundamentalist Catholic in her. In retrospect, she was right, 100%, about that and many more things I never gave her proper credit for. There’s a reason no one buys the bruised apples at the store.
My mother told me me upfront when I was turning of age, “if you ever want to know how the girl your with is going to turn out in the future, look at her mother.”
I have not found that to be untrue.
You should thank her and tell her how you appreciate this wisdom. Always reinforce correct behavior in women, everywhere.
Thank you mother! That’s crazy talk!
I told my mother “I don’t want to be with a woman I have to treat like shit to be treated well.”
The movie Idiocracy sums up where this country’s headed. As long as damaged men who treat women like shit win reproductive success compared to men who treat their women well, we will see decent men naturally selected out and damaged men increase in population.
“damaged men who treat women like shit win reproductive success compared to men who treat their women well”
This is why I consider you MRA types to be the biggest pussy faggots on Earth.
Where else would you find :
“He is successful with [x].
I fail with [y].
I will continue to do [y] and cry about the outcome of [x].”
Instead of sitting around and complaining that the Dudebro is getting all of the pussy while
Nicecowards, like you, are over looked, emulate the Dudebro. Go to the gym, get an Ed Hardy t-shirt and some Axe Body spray and treat girls like shit. Butno, you’ll claim that you’re a “Nice Guy”. Nope. You’re just a faggot who doesn’t have the balls to be boisterous.Go do an Eliot Rogers impression and fellate a .45.
“Joel” sounds like one of the “Chosen People”. That’d explain why you’re such a cunt.
So you date a woman based solely on appearances and your own lack of standards, you marry her after only a year and uproot everything to live in Florida, you expect her to do some menial shit for you and EXPLODE at her when she doesn’t, and when she manages to calm you down (probably out of fear of abuse) you decide in retrospect that you did the right thing… and you think SHE’S the crazy one? Now I agree that you probably shouldn’t have married her in the first place. Anyone who talks about their abuse on the first date CLEARLY has issues they still need to deal with. But you sound like a really unreasonable jackass.
Mangina detected! Defense protocols engaged! If she is a perfect angel who can do no wrong, then why don’t you go marry her, Captain-save-a-hoe? Tattooed women are whores and are not marriage material.
Exactly! What this mangina failed to see was all the things the author did for the stupid cunt. He was brought up to be respectful and kind to a fellow human being and what thanks did he get in return? Nothing.
We should understand that this bitch is just plain evil. Why would anyone defend this POS.
I personally, would treat a lady (virgin at marriage, long hair, can cook and clean, and is a pleasant person to be around) with respect, but the woman described in the article was nothing but a whore. I believe that trash does not deserve any sort of respect.
Faggot, we’ve all seen your replies on the “FSU QB hits cunt after being hit”. You are a mangina faggot.
You’ll White Knight the first crack whore who spreads her legs.
So much hatred! Did I hurt your feelings?
Banned.
Bitch should have been punched in the face. If I am paying your room and board, you are my employee. I will ‘fire’ you and leave you destitute if you do not conform to my standards.
You forgot to mention the child she did not have custody of. DON’T MARRY WOMEN WITH CHILDREN!
Is this an example of an alpha man? Well, if it is, there’s no hope for the manopshere! All this talk about alpha men as our great touchstones is such prattle, was Beethoven an alpha man, was Newton? was Brunel? No they created great things, detached, independent, visionary, they didn’t get “embroiled” in such childish nonsense. Modern men of all hues are just so lame and weak in comparison to the strength, boldness, and natural intelligence evident at such deep levels in our forefathers.
Newton died a virgin if I recall.
You’re missing the point- who cares about game if you’re so engrossed in discovering and creating new terrains. A lot of the creativity and energy that these men possessed was as a result of the fact that the sexual impulse wasn’t their defining raison d’être. I’m sure Newton was too upset by the prospect of dying as a virgin.
Prodigies tend to be treated like ‘golden boys’ by their mentors who usually don’t consider every man”s need for tang. With game, Newton would have been all that much ‘DICK-HAPPIER’ and he probably would have gone on to invent the transistor. Every creative mind gets a ‘shot in the arm’ when they learn the strings to getting their dick wet, and I don’t mean ‘wet’ as in a sheep’s asshole or ‘rosy palm’. The productive lifespan of sexless geeks these days is short and they end up being wage slaves to tech corporations. They would live longer and ‘dick-happier’ and invent things like warp drive with both heads synchronized, satisfied, in hrmony and in balance. Little head and big head both exist for a reason and both have massive nerve concentrations. The left brain and the dickhead are both integral parts of the same system and both affect creativity in some form or another.
Did you read the article? It seems that sharp made it pretty clear that his marriage was before he discovered the red pill. Then he says hindsight is 20/10 which means he is basically saying if I knew then what I know now. Its easy to say oh you were an idiot why didnt you see that coming when talking about a situation. Read these articles. Jesus Christ.
A wise cautionary tale Donovan. I hope it spares at least a couple of these kids the pain that you endured.
While Man in his Mind has realized he is a Creature of God and therefore unique from the rest of Creation and tries to act civilized, woman only shares the Human form, in a woman’s mind she is still very Primal and like that of an animal, in the Animal Kingdom there is Hierarchy to things, a Pecking order, women function in the Pecking order realm, when there is “Blood” or Weakness some women exploit it , a Man simply trying to be nice some women might think, “He is a Pushover, what can I manipulate from him?” and it’s not only with Men that women attempt the Pecking order on, but it is also with other women, the only way a Man avoids the Primal Realm of woman is to Stand his ground, Maintain Frame, and never ever Crumble, the moment you crumble a woman will use it to advance her Hierarchy position over you and she’ll never give Respect again.
7) The ex was from a foreign country, probably with some accent she squirted all over the place about.
Missed that one.
I’ve said this before, Think with the Head on your shoulders, not with the Head between your legs, when your thirsty you think with the head between your legs, and there is no reason or Logic going on when that happens, it’s all about sex, and when a woman is giving it out like candy on halloween night a thirsty guy can get caught up in the pleasure and make some bad decisions, I think that’s why a lot of Beta Bucks wind up divorced, they get that steady flow of sex from a woman, and they stop thinking with their brains, so when all the Red Flags and warning signs are popping up the Head between their Legs is saying, “Ohhhh But the Sexxx is soooo GOoooooddDD”.
“You can’t make a ho a housewife”, Dr Dre once said, and it is as true today as it was in the early noughties. Modern, strong, independent women lose their shit when men criticise sluts, but there is an indisputable reason for why we do this: sluts make terrible wives and girlfriends. Pump and dump, sure, but there is a reason men have low respect for sluts. They are easy, disloyal and more often that not, seriously mentally ill. “You guys are so sexist, a woman’s body is hers, who are you to say what she does with it?”, they say. To that, any red pill man would think: “Yes, it is your body, and you are absolutely free to be a raging whore if that is your decision. But as a self-respecting man, it is my decision not to invest any time, energy or money into a slut, because far more likely than not, that will be a poor investment, and a bad thing for my future. I’m too smart to fall for that!”
The more you are shamed for doing something, the better it probably is for YOUR well-being.
Exactly. Fat shaming, slut shaming – done in the right way – makes you a better person. Feminists etc aren’t interested in that, which is why they complain so much about it.
No, I would say they want to be better, but are too damn lazy to put in the effort. They just think it should just happen.
You’re partially right. Rather than think it should just happen, they try and change “beauty standard social constructs.” lol
They try to change the beauty standards because the just happens idea doesn’t work.
i will quote that. hilarious.
“CAN’T MAKE A HO A HOUSEWIFE”
wHAT a pearl of wisdom
http://www.metrolyrics.com/ho-lyrics-ludacris.html
Come on playa once a ho always
And hoes never close, they open like hallways
Funny song
These stories are the best way to educate young men.
I never broke up with my raging bitch ex until I got blisters on my feet. I had to walk barefoot on a hot parking lot asphalt. Because she wanted to punish me for not wearing my sandals.
In the morning it had been cool so I left my sandals in the car. When I saw how hot it was, I asked her to pull the car around so I would not have to walk from the beach sand to the car.
I burnt the fuck out of my feet. And on the way home, I was thinking up shit to do to her. So I got on the plane and left the French bitch in France. Sent her a fucking post card to let her know I had moved to Japan.
Got married in Japan over 20 years ago. My son just left to spend a year there. I would love to see him come back home with a beautiful Japanese girlfriend.
Darcy…sounds like you wifed up a borderline.
Thank you for this article. It is most helpful for the MANY blue pill in a marriage out there. It is possible to turn things around with game and some inner asshole potential.
Here are some hints how this can be done.
“I threw a fit but she didn’t budge.”
-> Shit test fail #1: Solution would have been a hard slap on her back side. If she STILL wouldnt do the work, butt-fuck her right there. No joke.
“To this day I still have no idea why on earth she did this to me.”
-> This was a shit test. The correct curse of action would have been to leave her behind. If you knew you had to leave at say 7:30 you leave at 7:30 or a few minutes earlier; with or without her. If you must have her with you at all costs, carry her in the car as she is and drive but drive you must; waiting means looooooooooser.
“I made to provide her as comfortable a life as I could”
-> Next big one. It is the wifes job to make YOUR life as comfortable as possible. Let that sink in. It is HER duty to make you happy.
“I don’t want to be with a woman I have to treat like shit to be treated well.”
-> Now if the other 3 mistakes are bad, this one is worse.
If you are the boss and let her feel your anger when she does not treat you well, IS treating a woman well. You are the master, she is your loyal follower (slave). Thats what women want. If you do not fill your role, she will shit-test you to kingdom come, cheat on you and leave you. Why? Because you are weak. Women hate weakness almost as much as I do.
” The bottom line is that marrying a divorced drug addict who’d committed paternity fraud in her last marriage was on me.”
-> This one was NOT a mistake. I repeat it is of very little importance. Truely is. You bought damaged goods but you bought a bargain. With no money and a shit job, what can you expect as a young man? Good looking women cost money. The maintainance of a “trophy wife” is no joke. Blue collar jobs are not paid well enough for this. You got a hot wife (your words) for very little investment and you didnt have to pay for her bastard child. So far the deal was ok.
You fucked it up all by yourself by beeing such a push over.
Women NEED to feel physical dominance of the male. They need this in bed and in life. Yes beating a girl who deserves it, or does not deserve it but you feel like it, may be the right thing to do. It may not be legal in any place so use caution, you might get in trouble in the most feminism invested places on earth, like the US/EU. Nevertheless it is the often the right thing to do as a man who wants a healthy relationship with his wife. This is one of the reasons why women love criminals, they give a shit about legal stuff and just do what they have to do.
Think about it.
Amen! When I was single, I used to chew up weak little punks and spit them out. I met my husband and he put me in my place. It is part of the reason I married him and he is the leader in our household.
My husband let me know in no uncertain terms that he will only continue to provide for me if I hold up my end of the bargain. I am to cook, clean, exercise, look cute, be in the mood for sex when he wants it and defer to him at all times. Any kind of push back is met with The Look which reduces me to a pile of chastised jelly. No wonder our sex life is so hot.
Just yesterday, I was whining about something and my husband had to remind me of my promise to submit to him. I sent him an apology email and added “I trust your leadership.” I can’t help it…my husband brings out the little girl who wants to please inside me.
Amen! I could have written the same but from a male view. This works.
Need prove? For females only:
Imagine this: Sex with a dish washing house mangina.
How do you feel now? Horny as hell? …right
I have traditional sex roles in my relationship and it definitely keeps the bedroom antics hot. She cooks and cleans, I put out the bins, open jars, get down things from storage she can’t reach, do the heavy lifting etc. When we go on vacation I carry her heavy bag up stairs for example. When we go hiking, she makes the sandwiches for the day, and I carry all our food and drinks. It makes me feel like a man, and I’m well fed. She doesn’t have to carry the heavy stuff, and knows she is pleasing her man. Win win. If she was manly and I was a mangina, our sex life would suck for both of us!
This is backed up by research.
Marital Egalitarianism Is Bad For Your Sex Life
https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2015/03/09/marital-egalitarianism-is-bad-for-your-sex-life/
This is they way it should be.. Male and female working and loving each other in harmony. I can’t do the stuff my husband does, it’s physically impossible. Yep, he can cook and clean okay, but… Not like me!!..:)
That was a troll Maldek, you fell for it hook line and sinker. No woman thinks the way “it” does.. You have been duped. Amen….!!! Oh shit..:) and thus are no different than Darcy..
Oh brother, Maldek, it’s both parties duty to put each other first..that’s what makes happy marriages. There has got to be a balance. No offense but your advice sounds like something from a slave owners manual.
And suggesting beating a woman into submission? You are giving the SJW’s fodder here. You are making them look justified. And that sucks.Beating your wife is NOT just a feminist issue. But one of common decency. Men who think it’s fine to beat someone down who is much weaker than themselves are weak sad, insecure creatures and just plain pathetic.
Healthy, well adapted women do not desire sociopaths. But it sounds like you may prey on broken females with little or no self esteem. So this concept would be alien to you.
I say beat the bitch.
More often than not she deserves it.
Again, it’s comments like these that invalidate any good argument that the men here have against feminism and even the aberrant behaviors of many modern women.
You continue to treat your bitch like a snowflake that can do no wrong. I’ll beat her ass when she acts up & be respected.
No you will be dumped, imprisoned, or possibly murdered by her whilst you sleep peacefully. And no one but another sociopath would respect a man beating on a woman..
Yeah sound advice. My own discipline involves drawing up to full height, raising eyebrows, advancing slowly one step and saying slowly quietly and calmly: “do not ever speak to me that way” holding the gaze. Slap on the ass is a last vestige of acceptable physical assault, and I use it reasonably regularly but never in anger.
Visible anger is losing.
Maldek was basically advocating violence and even rape to keep ones spouse in line- horrible advice and for obvious reasons.
In my opinion, there’s nothing wrong with spanking between two consenting adults.. But surely not to discipline her if she’s not into such kinks. That could lead to trouble..
honestly there is just literally no benefit for a man to get married now, period https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61th6gk042g
I’ve always had a pet theory…
The Female Fantasy is to reform the bad boy, as shown in An Officer and a Gentleman.
The Male Fantasy is to be a white knight and a source of stability to a Damsel in Distress.
And more often than not, both scenarios end up badly.
My version of the male fantasy in high school and college was the vision of self as a Casanova.
Ay, caramba!!!
The Evil Genius Fantasy is to give both of them robot bodies and to make them fight in the ring …
TWO ROBOTS ENTER, ONE ROBOT LEAVES.
“My name is Max. My world is fire and blood. Once, I was a cop. A road warrior searching for a righteous cause. As the world fell, each of us in our own way was broken. It was hard to know who was more crazy… me… or everyone else.”
This is what happens when the WorldGoneCrazy. 🙂 (No grammar Nazis, please – I know what I did.)
I LOVED the reboot. It was one of those rare ambience movies I really embrace. Like Bladerunner, Gladiator and Passion of the Christ.
I remember Dad telling me a story about when he was younger he went on three dates with this women and by the third date she was pushing dad to marry her this started to ring alarm bells so he ditched her – lucky he did she was pregnant to another guy but dad’s job at the time paid more and was more stable so she must have figured he was the better option to pay for her mistake. Remember gents that gut feeling you get about something or someone is natures way of saying “get the f#ck out of there”
”This kind of thing doesn’t happen to girls like me” – – Darcy’s statement sums it up. Darcy was such a piece of shit by traditional standards and she knew it the whole time. She knew what she was. She knew that betas are like blind mice and that she THE CAT just got one easily – too easily.
She was low. She was like the female equivalent of a guy passed out on a park bench that smells like hobo camp. Low quality and only capable of attracting fools or suckers. With the guy on the park bench, you know some retard girl or old used hag will pair with him. You’d see the two in the soup kitchen eating together and you see all too clear the spider’s web that even low life women (all women) use to ensnare anything that is weak. You also see this same ‘spider web’ figuratively covering the eyes and mouth of any beta man wherever they hail from on the economic ladder. You see the ‘web’ whenever his mouthy tramp appears and he unflinchingly obliges her. ‘PUSSY WHIP’ writes itself all over a man’s face.
ON THE FLIPSIDE of this, one can also ‘see’ and identify the upstanding alpha when he exhibits natural control over a beauty that he has properly broken. She picks no bones to serve him publicly and privately. The pinnacle of sights to see in the dying west is to see the alpha served by an obedient woman as she tit feeds and juggles even more obedient children. And finally, the absolute and ultimate pinnacle of awesome sights to see in the west is to see the patriarch clan head with MORE THAN ONE woman with child and they’re ALL SERVING HIM. Unfortunately, his clan is like a lightening rod attracting trouble from even the lowest sjw, feminist and ‘death culter’. They draw the enemy out of the bushes wherever they go in the west, moreso than a typical quiet family, and they need the help from every good patriarch in their midst and vice versa.
The extreme sjw/fem nut jobs seethe with demonic hatred whenever they see a traditional family, and they go from quiet and undetected to apeshit vocal whenever they see the resurgence of a BIG TIME patriarchal family. This is when the worst of the enemy will reveal themselves. AND THEY’RE SPOTTED. This is when it’s opportune time to ‘BAG THEIR ASS’.
We all watch each other’s ass. We cover our fellow patriarch’s backs. The west is full of anti patriarchy zombies and in ‘metero sexual’ areas, the back biting and senseless ‘reporting’ and legal badgering and being browbeaten by the system is unbearable. It’s no longer ‘coexist’ and ‘get along’. We’re dealing with zombies here. Hoardes of brain screwed posessed shit that needs shoveled into the gutters.
The patriarchal family is figuratively our ‘hon’ in the manger and serves us with a daily inspiration to keep our knuckles cracked and our fighting swagger sharp.
You rule!
The extreme SJW/Fem nut jobs hates seeing traditional families is because they are envious of the people that have traditional families. They are too low in the SMV and can’t attract a mate. Their thinking goes:
If I can’t have it, no one else can.
you should have used some kratom, that would have fixed everything
Its got electrolytes…..
Picture says more than a thousand words
translate?
If you’re a woman like this… don’t expect a man like this.
My italian is way less rusty than my Spanish but that’s the gist.
Makes sense.
Great article, hope we all can learn something from it. I did. I also realize that girls stay with abusive boyfriends because they like it.
Yup. Lots of guys with criminal records and sitting in jail. Plenty of women (and their spawn) at the jail door during visiting hours.
Plenty of inmates get random fan mail from women with “bad boy” fantasies or the good “christian” women who think they can save a wayward man. Talk to a corrections officer some time. It’s an eye opener.
I use to work in corrections. Sad to see the child play/swing set outside the jail waiting area. That’s a child’s normal, going to see daddy/mommy in the can. Sigh!
Look, marriage is simply a bad deal for men. The rot goes so much deeper than the author even seems to have realized. I was married sixteen years to my supposed soul mate, and the three things I thank her for are my two kids and the fact that I now have absolutely no fear of hell as it couldn’t be any worse.
In a bad marriage, (possibly 6 out of 7):
Women have won their prize when they get married. That’s why the troubles usually start a year or two later. Women can’t put their finger on it, the guy has given her a home, a car, whatever else she wants, and he honestly expresses his love for her but she starts to feel there is “something wrong”. As soon as she starts to feel there is “something wrong” the first thing that happens is the sex dries up, the man gets duty sex and a lot of starfish type effort from the wife. The man steadily becomes more frustrated and turns to other things, work, kids, activities, to cover the loss of his wife’s sex drive. The truth is he has lost all frame, does whatever she wants him to do and doesn’t hold her accountable for anything. This can go on for years, a couple may even go to their grave, her despising him, and him despising her, and neither one ever bothering to puzzle out the why of things.
The wife may start fantasizing about Chad Thundercock. She even starts secretly comparing her husband to these former, potential, or even thoroughly fictional men, and the only thing you need to know is that the husband will always come up lacking. He isn’t attentive enough, or emotional enough, or tall enough, or muscular enough, or wealthy enough, even though it was enough when he married her. When the marriage reaches this state, sex is, at best once a month, and is preceded by complaints about lack of frequency from the man and about “difficulty” getting in the mood for the woman. Again, it is entirely possible for this phase to last until they die.
At some point, the woman actually gives in to her impulses and cheats or decides to divorce. She gets a high from an afffair, though the other man is hardly the man of her dreams either. She feels guilt. She either initiates a divorce citing that she is unhappy, or using various state organs to force the man be removed from her. She may simply go on cheating and reconcile it in her mind as getting that “something that was missing” from her marriage.
Finally, whether she chooses divorce or to maintain affairs, she rewrites the entire history of the relationship with her husband to cast him in the worst possible light in her memories to justify her actions. Women who marry again merely restart this established cycle.
In (the rare) good marriage:
The man maintains his frame, whether he understands this or not. He makes her work for his attentions and affections. He establishes and enforce boundaries and rules for her behavior and makes it utterly clear that acting like a cunt will not get her anywhere she wants to be. This isn’t to say he is abusive towards her, just that he understands that even after marriage, even after 50 years, the shit tests will never end and he has to pass them.
Most marriages without abuse resemble the bad one, and the problem for a man that awakens to these facts too long after the decline starts is that at some point it is simply irreparable. It’s why teaching the young men and boys within our influence is absolutely critical if we ever want to get things turned around.
What pussy in the world is worth any of that shit? Any of it! Man, great post. I’m 42 and this kind of logical truth still sends shivers down my spine. Now if the woman is rich….
In another age, when men were actively taught by society at large to be men, and women were expected to actually make an effort at being a wife, it was worth it. We joke about betas today, but throughout most of human history, he was a good bet for most women.
Now, we live in an age where the idea of a wife having to make an effort is the subject of comedy and people like Oprah and millions of mindless morons telling women they “should follow their heart”, regardless that the heart is both a fickle and cruel tyrant.
Today, female sexuality runs utterly unchecked. The guys running game merely adapted to this fact. Even the man that is doing nothing more than wisely keeping a firm handle on his life and relationship runs the risk of being labled a controlling abuser. The state almost mandates the woman be in control and that can only end badly.
Once again, great writing.
A+ Donovan my man. A+
Geez yeah. I didn’t realize what went on untill years later and went red pill. But yelling back and not apologizing is what it takes to make them behave. Forget about having a “warm wonderful” marriage. If one of you isn’t raging and causing problems they’re not happy. So it might as well be you. At least that way there’s some predictability in your life.
My marriage was an emotional rollercoaster as I tried to keep things sane and be a decent person. I realized early on that she was pushing me to hit her, and keeping me on my toes. Argument first thing in the morning, dreading going home, get there and she’s sweet and nice. Then arguing at bedtime. . It never ended. But when I’d have enough and stay in a hotel for days I’d get home and she’d be sweet as can be.
After the divorce and I met a lot of other divorced guys, I realized it was the same behavior no matter who you were or the woman. It’s what they do.
And if you want them to behave, you have to sacrifice your real personality and be bully. Constantly abusive and cold toward them. Otherwise they’re going to push you over the edge.
“Otherwise they’re going to push you over the edge.”
Which will put you in prison. Funny thing about the femification of local laws. When the police get a call for domestic dispute, they are coming to arrest the man– regardless of the facts or the issue. Ask a cop. It is in the protocols pending where you live.
I’ve posted this before, but I called the cops on a drunk ex in college who refused to let me leave her apartment and I would have had to knock out otherwise. When the cops arrived, they told me they *HAD* to enter us into a domestic violence database. Obviously I didn’t want anyone arrested, just wanted her out of the way so I could drive off without her destroying my car any more, but still, my name is probably in some file as a ‘domestic abuser’. Not sure how I would handle it now, probably just and run lol
So this is how the government pads out the DV figures?
In college I worked at the Domestic Violence Court in Indianapolis. Women will take a punch to the face just so they can call the cops to arrest the guy. No shit. Everyone in the court agreed that most of the women used the cops/legal system as a tool to harass their men. There are even freakin’ studies about the phenomenon. Then they wear their bruises openly so they can game sympathy with their co-workers and freinds. They’d rather harass their men to the point of violence and bring the legal system in than have normal, happy relationships.
Attention whoring….it’s an addiction, like crack, to women.
“sacrifice your real personality” -> Thats it.
Your real personality is a cowardly weakling. Your wife gave you chances to sacrifice this joke of a man and become strong. You decided to stay weak. Your choice of choosing weakness is not going to make anyone happy. You deserved what you got.
So. . . You’re a Transvestite or T-Girl? That’s what I get from reading your posts. Having spent a lot on time on CL and other sites, it’s usually the gay guys pretending to be female that post the type of stuff you do.
Anyway, no hate intended. Try to learn from this site and work on improving your place in life. That’s the only way to get over your anger.
Your fantasies with a transvestite are not helpful.
If you insult the messenger who is showing you the ugly truth, you will stay as you are, blue pill 4ever.
” be a decent person” -> thats weakness and it is called “beta” for a reason, a leader is reckless.
” sacrifice your real personality and be bully.”
-> again thats a testimonial of betadom. Natural born asshole is the name of the game. If you are a weak beta, your only chance is to fake it, until you see the truth or else your sex-life will suck.
” Constantly abusive and cold toward them. ”
-> You dont have to be. But make sure she knows you are superior to her in every aspect of life. Physical, EMOTINAL and in the bedroom. You are the one to decide everything, she is the one to ask you what to eat/buy/do – thats what women love.
Dont like this? Well you can always become the transvestite you seem to dream about yourself.
See what I mean, man. You’ve got “Drama Queen” written all over you. No need to flame out, just take it for what it is. Go back to collecting your figurines and working on the Pride float.
No more responses after this, I’ve wasted enough time on you.
She was trying to ‘train’ the man with the bitching/nice bit. You’d swear she had a degree from the war college in methods to subvert, make psychological threats, and use her smv strength against the enemy to control the politik. Only you weren’t an enemy. Even the simplest of bone headed women now feel they have right to fight against or try to make domestic slaves of men. They’re like an army of wild liberated bastard children. The media and academia churn out propoganda constantly affirming that it is criminal for any man to effectively control and discipline any female. There’s an anciend body of knowledge and wisdom which has up until now always been widely known and practiced to keep women from becoming unruly and to keep civilization from burning. A woman could go her entire life without requiring an embarrassing ass whooping when she was raised and disciplined properly. This handed down knowledge of how to tame women hasn’t been forgotten, it’s just under voracious attack by media and sjw’s. ”NO WOMAN on earth should EVER be controlled in any way by ANY MAN ALIVE.” is their mantra. And the effects are devistating as we see hoardes of young women and old reel about unchecked and even professionally behaving like undisciplined, uncorrected wild bastard children with the same penchant of mischievous 5 year olds on a playground. The thread of civilization itself has been seriously threatened and compromised.
Oh yeah! And the “training” has no goal in mind. It’s just having the man available to be insane on. Training women is about making them docile and respect you as a person. But these modern wives man, it’s like they just want punching bags. And I believe it’s a result of the same culture that tells them what you mentioned. They’re not capable of holding REAL postions of authority, or taking care of themselves even when they’re only stay home wives. And there’s a lot of mental illness there. Only the SJW’s cover it all up and won’t let civil public discussion happen.
After his second divorce a freind mentionend the “thumb rule.” It was an old law that said you couldn’t hit your wife with a stick wider than your thumb. And that law was only about 100 years old. Take away the law where you could strike your wife or lock her in a room for a week (“The Cure”) and suddenly you’ve got maniacs running around. It’s bad for society because it isn’t just the men they damage, they can’t properly rear children. They’re EXACTLY like 5 year olds.
They’ll keep slugging the punching bags as long as the gym is open and remains in business so to speak. As long as there are women’s hotlines to call, they’ll keep their ante upped. That’s the purpose of the hotlines, to keep women’s ego’s and appetites engorged.
SHUT DOWN the hotlines and put the manginas and white knights to work BUSTING ROCKS.
AS LONG AS there are white knights and knee jerk neighbors that come running when she bellows, then SHE SHALL BELLOW whenever the moon is full, or half full or whenever.
MOVE HER to a place where no one can hear her scream, or bellow. I once moved a woman out into the wilderness and almost had her broke back to her natural energies when bule pill relatives of her’s visited. Upon finding she was pregnant, they convinced her to leave with them when I was out working.
PACK AND RUN, the fem’s favorite way to bust a cisg family and hype up things like the male is the boogeyman. She called me at midnight saying they had her scheduled to meet legal aid and some jew PROSECUTOR of all things the next morning. She knew her pro-state freak pig relatives and their nature. One was a socialist svcs dyke and she wouldn’t have left with them if I’d been there that afternoon.
She was at their place waiting for me to secretly pick her up in wee hrs of the am. She told me combo to their gate and I drove up, loaded her stuff and blazed. That’s a good girl. That was years ago. Since then, I’ve learned to put up firewalls to protect family against anyone non patriarchal now.
PLUS wife #2 keeps her company when I’m away. Not legally married to either. Fuck the law and the system. Marriage is a covenant you and your spouse(s) make with god almighty only. Never corrupt it with a contract enforcable by state pigs and manginas. I washed my hands of the state long ago.
Life makes much more sense and becomes easier to deal with once you acknowledge and respect the “power of the vag” on a cute girl.
You lucked out not having kids with her. Good to see another man red pill.
Fuck that.
1. She had a daughter, 2. She had a tattoo.
Even the “good parts” of that story sound like a nightmare. Too young, married a messed up chick.
As an old friend of mine (may he rest in peace) used to say…”There was so much writing on the wall, that I couldn’t see the wall.”
One things I always wondered in pre-game days was why did so many women seem to get frustrated and run off for just trying to be friends. I then since learned that it was because they were damaged and were trying to lure a man into their gingerbread house to commit before he knew how screwed up they were. and typically these girls keep a shit ton of secrets.
I don’t know what’s wrong with you people.
1.All your coworkers said that she was a slut
2.An addict
3.Woman that lost custody of her kid.
4.Cheater who tried to slip another men’s kid to her husband.
And you WIFE UP WOMAN LIKE THAT !!!?
a) You must have been a moron
b) You must have been a moron
or
c) You must have been be a moron
Timeless advice when dealing with women.DON’T, DO NOT think with your cock or with your heart when dealing with women, ALWAYS reason with your brain, that is why you have it.
Marriage is not about passion, it’s about same goals, same interests, same religion, same class, equal resources brought to a marriage.It’s about compatibility between spouses.That will keep the marriage afloat in the long run.
Modern society is fooled by Hollywood portrait of love, and that is bullshit.First mistake that young people are making is thinking that passion will last forever, and that passion is love.It’s not.Being in love and to really love someone is not the same.It takes time and a lot of tolerance to love.Love is work, patience, giving, accepting good and bad, enduring a bad year if you must.It’s about perseverance.
As in other areas of life, you will be tested in marriage, constantly.It is like riding a horse, you can not drop the rains, because if you do bad shit might happen.It’s all about keeping a frame.ALWAYS.
and yet another reason not to get married: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLHRexVaqUI&index=26&list=PLAFFBFDA3BC5F44F9
Marriage to any woman is a huge mistake. Regardless of you, the security of having you by the balls of Divorce Court will kill any romance or fear of losing you. Women who are comfortable are uncomfortable, they want what they can’t have. Like those to-die-for shoes she loves, once she has you, you’ll end up in the closet unused like those shoes she just had to have-until she got them.
I’ve only dated Eastern women for over 5 years now and this kind of stuff is EXTREME rare. I nearly forgot what it was like to date Westernise women and WHY I haven’t touched one and WILL NEVER again!!
There is a reason why 4/5 suicides in the west are by MEN where most of them are due to relationship breakups!
I wish I had known most of this when I dated my ex for a few years. I knew the signs and did not think anything of them “beta male” and now I have check list and double check it before I even think about long term dating. That way I can avoid the smacks up against the head.
One thing I avoid is single moms and women who drugs on regular bases.
Living in America is sick.Come to Africa where men are treated as men.
While I never married I too had a long relationship that was disastrous. In the end, the red pill was salvation. I feel nothing but gratitude for the lessons I learned – that experience completed my red pill education.
Women like this tend to be sociopathic as well. I dated one, she played me for a fool.
Good read. From this though you were smart to pull out early from those signs it looks like it could have gotten worst. Remember women always have a get out plan even if they don’t plan for it the law provides and will take your money. Prepare escape plans not just a plan but plans. There needs to be a law to have women sign contracts to fill out her responsibilities because marriage has been and always been a business proposal just like in a job. Act like a detective to pick up clues than deduce it. Don’t let your mangina white knight mind cloud the logic what you see is what it is.
Wow. Having read the Darcy story and the Amy story, all I can say is that you clearly have really terrible judgment in picking winners. All the women you pick seem to be drug addicts with out-of-wedlock children and a host of mental illnesses. Darcy and Amy sound very much alike and the only common denominator in the story is YOU. Yeah yeah, thumbs down me all you like. What is wrong with YOU that you can’t get a woman who is not a drug addict single mother with mental health issues?? In my female posse, all of us are the college educated careerists many of you on this site despise and yet, all of us got engaged/married between 27-32, none of us have illegitimate children, none of us have a history with drugs, and none of us have mental health disorders. We also all manage to stay slim, keep organized and well maintained homes, have no tattoos, and cook homemade breakfasts and dinners almost every day for our men. The man I am with as well as the boyfriends/fiancees/ husbands of my friends are all successful professionals who value being with a woman who brings class and intelligence and virtue to the table. None of us would go out with you knowing your disastrous past with women; we would all assume you are a loser for attracting so many defective women.
You have a point but… you must understand that a large portion of ‘modern women’ are or were drug addicts, that often goes with out-of-wedlock children as well.
It’s a needle in a needlestack.
Painful to read, but it happens to so many fellas so thanks for sharing.
There’s little point dwelling on it apart from extracting lessons on what not to do in the future, and you’ve already successfully done that. Leave it where it is.
Don’t beat yourself up (progress cannot be made as a broken man) and for others, and myself I say this very important thing.
Be extremely selective in your choice of partner and always do what you want. They have a free choice to take it or leave it
We’ve all had fuck ups once in a while but there are certain inalienable truths we must remember:
Never wife a ho
If she cheated on her ex she’ll cheat on you.
One strike policy (I.e. A major issue)
Don’t be a loser but also don’t take any shit.
Get a woman that you don’t need to use overt dread game on (just long term it’s better to have a higher quality of woman, instead of putting the fear of shit to some insecure little princess) but the game will always be the game. Being a pussy gets you whipped.
Ugh… At least you got out of that one intact!
I had a similar three year relationship. Not married but almost de facto. Two kids from two different fathers. Living at home with her parents. Drowning in debt. No need to fill in the details, you get the point.
The answer was right there in front of you and you missed it:
Strong pimp hand
Men in the West have not been taught how to choose wives wisely by their mothers. They have been brainwashed to give everyone second chance and that every one is a good person. It doesn’t work like this. Look at her back ground. Is she from a bronken home? Does she have good manners, it’s she selfish,and the list goes on? Appearance is super important but without all other good qualities is NOTHING.Next her. A good wife is an asset.
Horrendous story… horrendous because many of us have gone through similar experiences and we are reminded of how stupid we were during those times.
Fortunately, you (like me) are one of the men that was able to get through it without permanent consequences (Read: Children, possibly not yours). A chilling tale of what can and does occur.
The featured comment says it best. I’ll just add that Life is the best teacher. Great writing.