Last week I talked about two flaws I had noticed in the crimson capsule brand of red pill game. Though these two inconsistencies are the exception to the rule most of the time, they had shown themselves to me enough for me to take notice.
That said, here are the next two in line.
1. Maintaining Frame
It’s an open secret that women are turned on by the “strong, silent type.” A man who is in control of all his faculties in the face of unrest moistens the panties of females of all ages.
This particular aspect of game is what we call “frame control” or “maintaining frame.” When the shit hits the fan keeping your cool is what separates the men from the boys in all areas of life.
However, there are a few times where losing your shit is not only acceptable, but sometimes even necessary. Especially within the context of a sexual relationship with a woman.
The reason for this is that getting angry and yelling or swearing at a female shows her that you’re not afraid of grabbing your Y-chromosome and letting your testosterone do what it’s designed to do. Some women will also admit that being physically scared of a man is also a turn on.
Sometimes this is what’s necessary for her to get the message
The fact is that sometimes being calm, cool, and collected just doesn’t cut it in certain situations and women know this. Some men stay quiet out of fear or apprehension and girls sniff this out like bloodhounds. They know the difference between a quiet confidence and silent jitters.
The very first time I witnessed this in action, I was too blind to see it:
I was in the kitchen making my coffee when she started bitching and complaining about something and I took the bait. We went back and forth and after a few minutes I’d had it. I let her talk for about 30 seconds uninterrupted when I finally yelled:
“SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!”
I had never spoken to her like that before and was prepared for a veritable verbal assault. My back was turned so I couldn’t see her facial expression (nor did I want to). I waited and waited for her to scream back but to my surprise she heeded my command. She didn’t say another word until I stormed out the door for work when she meagerly said:
“Have a good day at work, Donovan. I love you.”
The reason my wife became a world class cock sucker and gourmet chef for a week is because she was turned on by the raw masculinity that came out of my pores when I yelled at her. And because I didn’t realize it at the time, the porn star sex and three course meals stopped soon after.
Keep in mind that it’s important to recognize her attempts at emotional manipulation or to get a rise out of you. When your girl throws a fit, maintain frame and either ignore her, or tease her for acting like a toddler.
If she pulls an adolescent stunt for the sole purpose of getting a reaction out of you (read: shit test), roll your eyes, chuckle, and tell her “try again sweetie.”
No, I’m not suggesting that you get angry and yell at your woman all the time. A man with a short temper is a man who is not in control of his emotions and has some growing up to do.
Losing your temper too often is beta
But when you show a woman you’re unafraid to raise your voice or momentarily lose your cool when she steps out of line, it lets her know that you can and will “go there” if need be.
Make no mistake about the fact that stoicism is absolutely paramount when dealing with your girl(s). But every once in a while it’s necessary for a man to bare his teeth.
2. All Women Are Like That
This particular doctrine is easily the most prevalent in this sector of the web. The belief is that all women in this part of the world are hypergamous sluts who will cheat on you with impunity for any and every reason under the sun.
While this applies to the vast majority of females in the western hemisphere it would be disingenuous of me or anyone else to say that every single woman in the U.S. is the same. I’ve stated before that…
…any reasonable person knows this isn’t the really the case. Even the darkest of crimson capsule males understand there are exceptions to the rule, however rare they may be.
Though “good girls” are extraordinarily hard to find (and even when found, they’re likely spoken for) they do exist. In a culture that rewards sluttiness with praise and government assistance, it stands to reason that most females would opt for a lifestyle free of sexual temperance and responsibility.
But every once in a while you’ll see or hear about a female who isn’t an attention whore, embraces traditional sex roles, and is still a virgin. Again, these are rare birds but the fact of the matter is that the endangered species of the fabled Quality American Woman isn’t extinct quite yet.
Conclusion
The application of standard game principles are successful more often than not because most Western women are alike in terms of what attracts them to men.
The slight differences between them, however, is where a man must use his instinct to discern which ones to use, and which ones to put on the shelf. Dread game may work on some females but if you run it for too long on 9s and 10s you’ll likely be replaced by day #2 of your radio silence.
A girl who likes you might back off if she sees that you’re in the company of good looking girls on the regular because she doesn’t want to have to compete with other females.
The bottom line is that even though game has been definitively proven to work and work well, one size does not fit all.
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The true redeeming qualities of a man such as staying silent and keeping his emotions while being able to demonstrate a high level of perserverance and stoicism, are indeed, the true masculine traits that have proven to be timeless.
The sad reality is, that a lot of these qualities are no longer seen in today’s men. This is due to the fact that today’s young men have been raised with all the wrong values such being told to let out their emotions and that it is okay to cry infront of your loved ones. This has been taught by all the entities in our environment which aim to destroy any remnant of masculine behaviour, such as single mothers, education establishments and the feminist driven mainstream media, which all work in conjunction to annihilate traditional masculinity.
The irony is, despite being told that you should do all of the above, the reality is that those characterisitics can be associated with the beta male and the truth of the matter is that women tend to always want the alpha male who does the exact opposite- be strong and show confidence in any situation. In otherwords, they want the alpha man. Even television shows aimed for the female demographic such as “Sex and the City” and “Ugly Betty” have clearly illustrated this, where in the end, the girl eventually leaves the “Mr Nice Guy.”
I remember the days, watching movies and television shows by actors such as Clint Eastwood, Sean Connery, Gary Cooper and James Gandfolfini and just observing the way in which these men portrayed their characters. All of them had this unique sense of being able to stand stand their ground and look danger through the eye. Unfortunately, this no longer correlates with reality as we now have a generation of men who have become emasculated and effiminate and cannot even make eye contact or do anything alone anymore.
This is why I believe that it is important for men to be able to learn from even fictional characters in movies and television shows, as they have left a historic and timeless blueprint for men to follow. This includes standing your ground, having the spine to tackle any challenges life will bring you and above all, having the confidence to make eye contact and do anything on your own. These characterisitics alone, can help to retain your masculinine traits.
Accept the pain of the ego in its fear of death, and look at its root. Look at the fear, the need to run away into distraction and thought. Stay focused, quiet and brave. The attention will be freed, and thought will be seen for the reaction it is. Motion and mind will no longer be your ‘self’, and listening with attention will be valued more than plotting. No need for crutches of any kind.
The men must learn from classical fictional characters, not the ones today. All masculine characters today are antisocial degenerates. The effeminate men are glorified, even the gay ones. It sickens me.
NAWALT is invalid regardless, Donovan. The reason some women do not seem “that way” is because of their culture or upbringing. Yet take that quiet, conservative virginal nice girl from a small village in Russia to NYC and then treat her “nice” and within a year she will be a shrieking feminist who “doan needs no man!”. The nature is there all the time, the conditioning is what helps negating it. Removing the conditioning force and she reverts every time, no exception, to the standard hypergamous model.
What you’re proposing is that “not all hogs are like that” when speaking of farm hogs as compared to wild boars. The farm hog is nowhere near as scary, is basically domestic and is easily led around and trained. Let a hole in the pen appear and the hog wanders out into the woods, never to be seen by the farmer again, and he WILL turn into an identical replica of a wild boar in a VERY short time, in both meanness and appearance. It’s his nature. The farm and farmer kept that nature in check. All Hogs Are Like That.
As to anger, sorta kinda. Betas get “outraged” and lose control. A man has righteous anger, which is not out of control and all consuming like some demon taking over his soul. Outrage is feminine by its very nature (“OMG! You called me a bad name! I hate you and want to kill you, agggghhh!”), righteous anger is highly masculine (“They’re invading my country! This will not stand!”)
Also adopting the mentality of “AWALT” ensures you don’t let your guard down at any time, as sad as that is to say.
Exactly. If you go NAWALT “Even if it’s only in theory” you open yourself up to pedastalizing and oneitis.
Amen Jefferson. I think the most important part of all is that it doesn’t set yourself up for heartache if there becomes a point where she decides to ride Chad.
Feminists and leftists will always begin subversion by getting you to accept a concession of the truism variety.
What exactly is oneitis? Commitment to one person I take it?
Correct, regardless of the absolute truth of AWALT it is true within the margin of error. You loose absolutely nothing by having your guard up and stand to loose everything by having it down.
I like what GoJ said above about it being the case that they all have the same nature…just different breeding. I thin he is spot on there. In the meantime, taking an AWALT stance has nothing but upsides.
“they all have the same nature”
yes. i have no illusions that my wife would be the same person if she had been raised by, say, former hippies in boulder, colorado, as opposed to being raised devout catholic in a small city in central ameirca.
agreed.
If you choose to marry (which you did) as a man it is your job to train and keep in check the woman you marry. Truth be told, women aren’t responsible for acting like shits. They are shits. I am more apt to blame the men who didn’t give them good guidance and discipline. They will be happier for your instruction.
Women are and have always just been women. The big problems started when men stopped being men. Women were left to make decisions and have responsibilities that they were never suited for and have fucked it up royally. It’s no surprise.
If I ask my dog to do calculus I shouldn’t be surprised when I find that the result is a pike of shit.
the part about the dog doing calculus gave me a good laugh. well said.
Thank you. I will add to this a bit because I just read something that fits (even if a little shoe horning is necessary). As some people here know, I have been reading through all of the original James Bond books by Flemming. Some really great stuff there.
Following my comment about a woman being a woman and needing a man who is a man…..in Goldfinger, Tilly Masterson, the girl who attaches herself to Bond to get revenge on Goldfinger, is stuck at making a decision when things go sour. Does she go to Bond for help…the paradigm of masculinity, or does she go to Pussy Galore, the lesbian (lesbian until she gets her eyes opened by a good bond boning). She goes to the Lesbian and this annoys Bond. To this effect this is what Flemming has to say:
Bond came to the conclusion that Tilly Masterson was one of those girls whose hormones had got mixed up. He knew the type well and thought they and their male counterparts were a direct consequence of giving votes to women and ‘sex equality.’ As a result of fifty years of emancipation, feminine qualities were dying out or being transferred to the males. Pansies of both sexes everywhere, not yet completely homosexual, but confused, not knowing what they were. The result was a herd of unhappy sexual misfits – barren and full of frustrations, the women wanting to dominate and the men wanting to be nannied. He [Bond] was sorry for them, but he had no time for them. Bond smiled sourly to himself as he remembered his fantasies about this girl as they sped along the valley of the Loire. Entre Deux Seins indeed!”
This written in 1959!
Women aren’t shits any more than men are. Men are responsible for the vast majority of violence, child abandonment, and unemployment. You can talk about how the world is fucked up but men rule it.
I think you made a wrong turn at Albuquerque. This isn’t a web form for dumb cunts.
I think its spelled alba koy kee.
Men are responsible for the vast majority of violence, child abandonment, and unemployment
Any proof?
the world is fucked up but men rule it.
But who feeds into it? Women. 80% of consumer spending? Done by you people.
Clear cutting of Indonesian rain forests to grow palm trees? Palm oil is used in cosmetics. Last time I checked, you people slathered that stuff on your faces. Should we finally kill off all the orangatans so you can feel pretty?
And whales. Gotta get that good smelling stuff from them for perfume!
And diamonds. Harvested by little slave boys in Africa, the ones that aren’t killed by the mining managers I mean. Little boys are slaves and die to serve my needs but yay for my anniversary present and wedding ring!
I suspect she doesn’t know divorce stats and who initiates them the most either, nor likely cares.
I hate whales, diamonds, mirrors, cameraphones, and cosmetics. Not necessarily in that order
I had a teacher in 10th grade who used to say that he wanted to, and I quote: “Save unborn gay baby whales for Jesus”. I found it funny at the time. Still kinda do.
You lived in South Park, CO for the 10th grade?
You wanna kill all these guys so you can have lipstick? I think clyde would serve you better in a bar than cosmetics
Heh, no, why, was that used in the show? It was some dingy teacher from 1983. Maybe it was a popular saying at the time, I don’t know, not being culturally plugged in much at the time, I just found it funny.
“You loose absolutely nothing by having your guard up and stand to loose everything by having it down.”
This is but hurt teenager mentality.
What are you so afraid of? Getting your heart broken?
“taking an AWALT stance has nothing but upsides.”
Not if your going to cohabit and raise a family.
Fuck it’s like you guys were so ripped apart by your first crush and have never really got over it – leaning on ‘neo-masculinity’ to avoid actually becoming a man.
Your doomed to a life of frustrated distanced relationships with women, none of whom you will trust to raise a family with.
Some day, you will have to accept a woman to be the mother of your kids and the founder of your empire of spawn.
You’re gonna have to man up and distance from the ‘game’ stuff as Donovan is clearly demonstrating.
You’re gonna have to make your own mind up and stop learning off of beta’s who want to keep you feeling worried you need to learn from them.
And this is being called ‘neo-masculinity’.
How did the human race survive without these guru’s.
Wow how neo masculine of you.
“the world is fucked up but men rule it.”
This is one of the biggest deceptions – that man rules the world.
This fallen world is ruled by Satan.
One day this may make sense. Bt don’t for one second think that this is man’s world.
Hahaha, hahaha, no.
A woman wouldn’t have said that.
Ruled by Satan assisted by Eve, sayeth the Word.
Men are responsible for producing wealth and women are responsible for rearing children. You blame men for your responsibilities (that you fail), so have fun being hated by your children and needing cats for comfort.
I wouldn’t say that Eve played any part in rulership of this world.
She made the most of God’s greatest gift, free will. The rest has been tragic ha!
But God’s got the whole world in His hands no fears.
More proof the feminism experiment went wrong.
No shit who are the real killers and social degraders when we remove social mores and restrictions.
Not a broken heart, just a drained bank account feeding a demon’s wishes. I don’t man up, I woman down.
If feminism was a chinaman his name would be Went Wong
the world is really fucked up
That’s what happens when you live your life burrowing in the sand rather than watching what is going on around you before reaching a conclusion and then posting about it.
I was thinking of the same criticism but the other posts have backfilled that one. You can fall in love and get married and have children, but always be aware of AWALT and manage the woman and your relationship or you will in for a big surprise at one point.
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I still don’t completely agree in AWALT anymore than an atheist is convinced by Pascal’s Wager. Sure, half of all marriages end in divorce but half are still successful. If AWALT is true, it is still inconceivable that those millions of successful husbands are all alpha-beta, red pill males who believe it, deploy marriage-game, and actively manage their woman and their relationship.
66S…understanding the dee insight in loony tunes? A man after my own hear. Well done sir
Sounds to me like your speaking outside of a truly Christian context.
Two people who walk with God after Jesus Christ, you will not encounter the same problems as people who are still running around trying to be the fittest that survive.
All comes down to weather a person truly understands why God commands what He commands and whether that person truly has Faith in God.
Just like two True Scotsmen will agree on everything, eh?
uhh, no actually.
I have a great respect for Christianity but when one starts to talk about its “true” aspects that respect wanes.
Well surely you entertain the idea of someone calling themselves a Christian to possibly not be an accurate description of their values in practice right?
Jesus did talk about this a lot also.
” You can talk about how the world is fucked up but men rule it.”
Jewish powers rule it, gentile slaves serve it.
You can only serve one master but know who or what it is.
Of course, but have you ever considered that you might be one of them?
No I’ve never considered I might be one of them.
A person KNOWS when they have been born of the spirit because you have to ask for it yourself. Once this has happened, there isn’t really any going back on it or pretending what happened didn’t happen.
Look up Born Again experiences. Many NDE peep’s have some amazing stories about the other side.
Of course not, which is precisely why objective observers might think you are one of them.
Which is precisely why ‘objective’ observers might think anything at any time and those thoughts may change within moments and mean even less now than they did then which wasn’t much.
Less time dropping hints as to my legitimacy and more time asking God for answers.
It will do you more good.
You really need to take a read of my other posts. I spend a lot of time bashing atheists who think they have it all figured out. I am all over you because you display that same smugness but in this case to claim what your particular version of God has figured out for all of us,
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Having a sense of spirituality is essential but being cock sure has sent humanity down many dark roads.
Well, the difference does matter if you are in a long term relationship. While it would be silly to believe that any particular woman would never EVER cheat on you, this does not mean that you should expect her to do it any minute. It is impossible to guard her 24 hours a day (unless, of course, you happen to live in Saudi Arabia), so finding the appropriate level of control is an important issue.
As for myself, I have a basic trust in my girl that she will not cheat on me any time soon. This is a consequence of what I know about her feelings for me and her earlier behaviour. It does not mean that I can just lean back and not care, but it allows for certain flexibility that would not be possible otherwise. For example, I can travel abroad for work without having to worry too much, or allow her to go out with her girl friends on certain occasions.
“You really need to take a read of my other posts.”
I really don’t.
“I spend a lot of time bashing atheists who think they have it all figured out”
That’s bashing atheists and it’s fun but pointless – are you telling them the good news of Gods Kingdom?
“I am all over you because you display that same smugness”
You mean you’re trying to keep up with me because when someone believes strongly in something that you do not they must be smug and you have a duty to pretty women to correct the world of mistaken jerk men like me.
“but in this case to claim what your particular version of God has figured out for all of us,”
What else do you expect from someone who believes what they believe?
You may be unsure of your beliefs but I am not.
“Having a sense of spirituality is essential but being cock sure has sent humanity down many dark roads.”
Yes but with Jesus Christ there are no dark roads.
Sorry for being cock.
The thing about a serious relationship, in my opinion, is that as a man it is your duty to train your woman and positively reinforce good behavior and negatively reinforce bad.
There is no reason to think a well trained woman would cheat on you.
If your woman cheats it isn’t necessarily all her fault. She can’t help it because AWALT….we know this. A cheating woman is a sign of a man who hasn’t properly trained her to behave.
In a long term relationship it is especially important to remember that the girl is a whore. I don’t care if she is a virgin, she is still a whore in her soul. You need to train her to behave properly and in order to do that you need to remind yourself of her nature.
If you get a dog and treat it like shit it will eventually bite you. You have to train it to properly behave and to simultaneously love and fear you as it’s master. Then you can have a valuable relationship with it. The same goes with women. Women can be a great source of comfort and companionship when properly educated as to their responsibilities and their role.
To have a complete discussion, then you should look at my previous posts.
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Bashing atheists is not completely pointless in a public forum as others can see them for the fools that they are. Do I think I will change their mind? Not really: they are more religious than most Christians.
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You believe strongly in something that has no rational basis. I’m not saying that is a bad thing but one should have a bit of flexibility about the prospect of being wrong. An unjustified confidence is smugness. I don’t think I accused you of being a jerk man.
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Christianity is the most successful and flexible life doctrine ever created. It would be a crime to ossify it and say there is only one way.
“Bashing atheists is not completely pointless in a public forum as others can see them for the fools that they are. Do I think I will change their mind? Not really: they are more religious than most Christians.”
I’m not totally against bashing atheists ESPECIALLY in response to their own bashing, but also for the matter of integrity to the discussion – atheism often dips to such lows so as to destroy any of it’s integrity and statements made by atheists are often EXTREMELY deceptive, ill informed and very disingenuous and this need’s to be challenged for the sake of science and truth.
On the spot, no, not many atheists will ‘see the light’. But having facts slammed in their faces has on many occasions led atheist’s to research a little more passionately and they end up Christians. It’s also good for Christian moral to hear the very strong and rational arguments many Christians/Creationist make for God’s existence.
“You believe strongly in something that has no rational basis.”
It has a very solid basis for me though – which is key. I’ve encountered the living God and recognise Him in – and only in, Jesus Christ. I then was very comforted to realise so have MANY others and their testimonies are all over the web. This encounter is what separates the true believers who simply cannot be shaken in any meaningful way in their faith from what I would call ‘works based’ believers who follow rules in order to achieve salvation (AHEM!CatholicChurch). This encounter and it’s absolute importance is spoken about by Jesus Himself in John’s record of Nicodemus questioning Jesus.
I know this sounds irrational – I still slip back into thinking that myself sometimes. But Faith happens when God does something for you and nobody else knows or believes you but you KNOW what has occurred. The relationship is deeply personal and private, though the same in all of the fundamental area’s for any born again believer.
It seems like faith to observers, but to the believer there is no faith (belief without any rational basis) required at all. I thought I would be more ‘blown away’ but after that moment when God spoke to my heart and revealed Himself to me I’ve been surprised at how ‘ordinary’ it seems. A child of God is actually who we REALLY are and It’s remarkable how naturally the role comes to us.
This would be acclimatising to the realities of the Kingdom of Heaven I guess.
“I’m not saying that is a bad thing but one should have a bit of flexibility about the prospect of being wrong.”
Following the encounter I cannot for a second entertain the idea that I am wrong – this may seem arrogant or smug but I am as sure of it as you are of your own reflection. And Jesus told us to be this way. Many people have martyred themselves to make this statement.
“I don’t think I accused you of being a jerk man.”
That was my elaboration…
“Christianity is the most successful and flexible life doctrine ever created.”
Agreed, it’s the one God designed for us to live by and is proof of God’s truth in and of itself. Human’s are infinitely better off when they live as God will’s it. Also note that it comes from the Jew’s who are supposed to be Christians right now but for the main part are not. The ‘Christian Lifestyle’ is all Judaic. Just without the circumcision, strict Torah Law etc… Jesus cleared all that up. And a relationship with God is for all those who would hear His knock and open the door to eat with Him, be they Jew, Gentile, Muslim, male, female, thief, prince gay or straight.
I know why people view it as flexible, but Jesus Himself told us the Gate was narrow. The ten commandments are still of utmost relevance. Conforming to the likeness of Christ is a priority and probably one of the best pieces of life advice and seem’s to have been the intent of most Western and Esoteric approaches to human personality work and therapy – to escape our personal ego and behave in a more ‘godly’ neutral and less egotistical manner.
The relationship with God is personal so personal issue’s must be approached with that in mind – it is not a simple matter of gay people being evil, cursed or wrong for example or outside of the realms of God’s love and Grace.
And to give an example of the ‘narrow gate’, it is the case that a true Christian cannot deny or withhold the fact that God has clearly advised that homosexuality goes against His life giving will. This may seem rigid or fossilised, but is a scripturally proven fact – assuming of course we are taking scripture seriously as, again, true Christians do. Thats not to say gay’s are evil or any more sinful than anyone else but this is often the (maybe ossified) perception of the Christian view of gays.
“It would be a crime to ossify it and say there is only one way.”
I don’t like to present Christianity in the ossified manner you describe and I understand the description, but there are fundamental elements of the faith that will always seem out of date and ‘old phogy-ish’ – like the stance on homosexuality or abortion or man/woman dynamics.
I personally put that down to an ever more degenerating world rather than God being wrong about stuff though.
This comment must have been written in 1968 and posted “6 days ago”
I think we are going a bit far afield here. Perhaps it is better to clarify the things that we agree on: we are spiritual creatures, spirituality is not something that can be proven by science, homosexuality is not some grand evil but it is not something that should be praised or pushed onto people, etc.
The notion that all women are natural cheaters (or whores, or whatever) does seems particularly meaningful to me, no more than saying that all dogs are natural biters. A woman can be loyal or deceitful, aggressive or submissive etc., depending on the environment she lives in and/or was raised in (just like a street dog is different from a family dog). Naturally, if you spend all your time playing with street dogs, you may get a rather skewed perception of what the nature of dogs is like — the same is true with women.
Of course, humans as well as dogs are gregarious animals; we follow the pack. If your woman feels that you are a bad leader, she will challenge your position, or go looking for a different pack leader.
But as loving and accepting as Jesus is He is still very clear in how to follow Him and worship Him – this is not a free for all.
i have been saying the same thing for quite some time……..most women have gotten used to beta boys, and become confused and irrational when confronted with a true alpha male……..you make a great point, and i whole-heartedly agree
I feel physically ill.
Why does it have to be a war? Why do men and women have to hate each other and compete and try to rule over each other? Isn’t there a better, more respectful way?
Do you eat chocolate, drink coffee or tea, own a phone or a computer, or eat sea food farmed or caught, or fed by fish caught in, thailand? Any of these things mean you also are complicit in the slave trading industry (among a million other things). Every human that lives in the west is complicit. Blaming only women for slave trading and war trading is completely blind and idiotic. Some of the most hypocritical tripe I’ve read in my life.
allow her, huh? That’s pretty kind of you. Do you make her wear a microchip so you can track her? You probably should, how do you know where she’s going? She might be watching movies or reading material that goes totally against your wishes, not even mentioning the cheating risk. If you’re going to let her out of the house, you really need to keep tabs – it’s because of men not taking their women in hand more that the world is fucked up the way it is.
Yes, as a well-trained woman I can recommend that Schmackos is really great brand very tasty and definitely gets me wanting to behave well for more of that lip-smacking treat. Also, walk us daily – there’s not enough room inside the house for us to run around, and if we don’t get enough exercise, we might become fatties – how terrible would that be?
oh honey, I know exactly the lip smacking treat that would make you behave.
How is snark working for you?
I am sorry. If only there was some kind of device that allowed for you to look at, read, watch and infinite number of pictures, books and articles or movies that fit right in your pocket you wouldn’t be forced to read my response to a comment to an article on a site that clearly wasn’t created for your consumption. Oh well, until someone invents something like that I guess you have no choice but to read my comments and get physically ill. Maybe I will invent something like that.
I asked my husband and he says there is already something like that, but that I was too stupid to realise.
Great! Thanks for asking.
Yes, exactly, allow her. By mutual agreement, I am the head of our family, which among other things means that I have the final word about whether or not she is going out in the evening. I understand that you do not like this model for running a family, but I don’t really feel that I need your approval — no more than you need mine for leading the life that you want.
This way works for us. I do not suggest that everyone should live like this, on the contrary, people should have the freedom to make their choices without others moralising about it. Granted, I do believe that many families would probably be happier if they adopted a more patriarchal structure, but that’s a different question.
I respect this reply a lot and I respect that you and your wife have come to this by mutual agreement. Thank you for being a thoughtful person. Apologies for lampooning you.
That NAWALT inclination is a powerful temptation though, I’ll say. Seems to take a lot to remove the Unicorn imposed blinders from a lot of men. Hell, I still struggle with it.
It’s a tough pill to swallow, especially for a father and husband. But it must be swallowed and understood simply as a way to be aware of what possibilities *can* happen in the right circumstance.
I’ve fully accepted that my wife could march in this evening and destroy the marriage and take half of my shit for no actual good reason, except hypergamy. I am truly aware of this, and have had to take that scenario into my “what if” situations when planning for the future. Always have an out or escape hatch.
I’ve fully accepted that my daughter, despite being raised traditional, feminine and anti-feminist, could suddenly one day turn on me with full spite and become the nightmare I had hoped she would avoid, for no good reason but hypergamy. I’ve heard other red pill men with daughters who did that, who wrote them off entirely and treated them as shit, for no apparent reason. It will hurt, but I won’t be caught off guard if it happens.
All of them have this potential. No exceptions. To not be prepared, to think NAWALT, will leave a man floundering in a pool of pain when it does happen.
“Ive fully accepted that my wife could march in this evening and destroy the marriage and take half of my shit for no actual good reason,”
Goddam right.
I have little sympathy for men who haven’t made some, vague contingency plan for this
The alternative is depending on a woman’s emotions
Fuck that.
I don’t care if you’re James Bond Fucking Timberlake . You’re clearly suicidal without contingency
Very true. I don’t think it’ll happen to me, seeing as I snagged one of the old-fashioned, traditional girls, but I’ll be damned if I don’t have a contingency plan.
Always protect yourself with an infidelity clause or an iron-clad prenup. I’ve read many reddit stories regarding the matter.
Do you think she would wreak your marriage for hypergamy? Generally it seems to me when women wreak marriages they then “marry down”.
Don’t get married. Marriage in this country protects her, not you.
Perhaps better put, assumed hypergamy(?) maybe, created by her own imagination even. Or any other fucking reason. Having seen a literal Captain America, true blue, hard working, masculine man who sired four children and still managed to run a construction company brilliantly single handed, all the while having time for his family (exhausting, no doubt) lose his wife to some convict she struck up a penpal relationship with (fitting your observation), I figure anything’s possible. The actual “why” becomes irrelevant if you don’t prepare for the “when”.
A binding contract is a binding contract. I’ve seen the infidelity clauses be put to good use.
True. I knew a guy, doctor, his wife was a receptionist. She left him for some unemployed layabout and then years later went after the doctor for child support, to support the new guys son (the doc did have a couple kids with this women but had always informally supported them).
I partly suspect that women leave you simply because being a wife is too much trouble. They want to be “free”.
i’m way better looking than my ex’s current boyfriend. so there’s that. heh. she did carousel her way through a few tall, dark, handsome guys from latin america and the middle east after we got divorced, but the guy she’s with now looks like a blond, stoner gilligan, for some reason. even he is tall though.
Fucking priceless Jeffo
The manoshere doesn’t acknowledge enough that being alpha as fuck still sometimes ain’t enough
Irrationality is limitless
Ironically women had too much free time being wives and embraced feminism.
There’s no scientific evidence marital hypergamy is a thing. It’s men who tend to remarry younger women, not women remarrying richer men.
Some men suck at being husbands. Some women suck at being wives. Almost all of the older women I know that have left 20+ year marriages cite infidelity by their husbands, or that they had become huge assholes.
That’s some Watcher on the Wall truth there…
You don’t understand hypergamy at an intellectual level then. Hit TheRationalMale and read his treatises on the subject.
It really isn’t easy to contemplate. For the wife it’s easier to consider, because we’ve all known women who have done stupid shit, but coming to terms with the daughter being every bit as capable really leaves a mark on your heart. She might not, I hope she doesn’t, but if she does I will at least not be surprised and fall into the depression that some men do when it happens.
And of course, you believe them.
The number of women I’ve met who snarl about their “awful ex” is not small. The number of women who, once we broke up, add me to their “awful ex” pile regardless of the fact that I was not some abusive simp equals this number. Believing women at face value regarding relationships is an exercise in willful blindness. I watched lots of divorcing women in my mother’s circle destroy their husbands reputation, when it turns out later that the hubby was almost always innocent of the charges they’d leveled earlier. I know this because I’d talk to them a few decades later, and they’d laugh and “Yeah, well I was feeling hurt and didn’t know how react” and wave away their horrible behavior with a flippant wrist.
Don’t wear out or over use the word ‘suicide’ though. This poor guy pictured believed he had no options:
http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s331/chef2013/shotau1.jpg
No I don’t know who that is. It’s a pic I stumbled upon on photobucket when googling ‘jesus with gun’. Maybe goog thought I meant ‘jesus’ in an exclamatory form. The pic piqued me because that’s an ’80 or so Chevy citation. I recognize the dash. I had one with blue interior way back. A sad day for that guy. The pic must be at least 30 years old but it looks so fresh. Many on this site weren’t even born then but the pic is eternally vivid like it takes you back. I was clubbing like a lunatic back then. Thinking of that model car triggered me to recall some cheezy old p/u lines. And I’m pro 2nd always regardless. I think he had the barrel right under chin where the gas ejecta exploded his skull. Probably had heavy grain load w buckshot to do that. I can’t find the details of the pic or his name, but I bet $1 to a donut it was over some nasty ho. She’s probably some wretched lobster by now 30yrs later greeting at wally’s maybe. Bitch probably can’t even remember the carnage a sewer pussy can extholl what with a puny rodent or cat brain. Say a prayer for the bro.
It’s the lack of pressure and immediately felt consequences.
Some women have a higher threshold for pain, that and sometimes they’re just straight up stupid.
I think most women play it safe. They won’t leave unless they’re sure they can either maintain or upgrade their current lifestyle.
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Women WILL do exactly that. It’s elements of the system enabling the woman to wreak havoc. Aiding and abetting hypergamy is as much a crime as harboring a fugitive or offering a ride to a fleeing criminal. Those family court terrorists have burroughed in pretty deep in the west. Can’t even spank a naughty wife anymore.
Once she feels she’s got it ‘made in the shade’ with the man, that’s when her behavior takes a nap, meaning her behavior slips too. If it’s at all possible to break her to polygamy and you don’t have neighbors that will balk, new young blood might keep the kitchen alive as well as other rooms common to the trad western floorplan. It’s all in the architecture. Show her pics of looong houses. heh
Indeed. After a couple of hookups (first two since I became single), I was a bit disturbed at how emotionally detached I was from these women, despite having had sex with them. And this was made all the more strange by how attached they seemed to be to me.
It was a strange, new feeling for me. And I somehow convinced myself that the connection I had with a pre red pill girlfriend of mine was special. That perhaps she was different after all.
So I hit her up, and after a couple of dates I had sex with her. Then she got dressed and went home. To her boyfriend..
I know now that what I felt for her was not due to her being special or anything of the sort. It was a feeling made possible only by ignorance.
Even still, I find myself wishing that she really were special. But reality is cruel.
Because they said so of course… no doubt those cases will be there, but being bored a man’s insipid mediocrity is the prime reason across the board.
Prenups become 100% useless once kids are involved, ask any lawyer.
It’s the way women are treated, like the hogs of your post.
Any man can bring out the worst in any woman by treating her too good.
“I’ve fully accepted that my wife could march in this evening and destroy the marriage and take half of my shit for no actual good reason, except hypergamy.”
That say’s more about your ‘choice’ of wife than it does about women.
“I’ve fully accepted that my daughter, despite being raised traditional, feminine and anti-feminist, could suddenly one day turn on me with full spite and become the nightmare I had hoped she would avoid, for no good reason but hypergamy”
Maybe she’s deeply aware of your fear and dislike of women? Maybe she will follow your lead and not have much respect for herself or men.
“I’ve heard other red pill men with daughters who did that, who wrote them off entirely and treated them as shit, for no apparent reason.”
You’ve ‘heard’?
Stop believing everything you hear dude. You’ll save yourself a lot of problems.
“It will hurt, but I won’t be caught off guard if it happens.”
Just as long as you’re ready and don’t get caught off guard by the WOMEN in your life.
Sounds to me like your problem is no Authority or respect within your own family. Christ will help with this big time.
I’ve heard loads of red piller’s who end up like this if you want proof of how bad a mind set it is.
“I have little sympathy for men who haven’t made some, vague contingency plan for this”
This is why the West is in decline. Western Men are a joke attempting to remember what men were like.
If men and women are going to improve their relationships, you ALL know that men will have to lead in setting the tone.
Yet the the response from men has been to security lock down at the first sign of a female entering the perimeter.
If you want loyalty and devotion from women, you will have to lead them to be loyal and devoted. Being ‘red pill’ is just self destructive as Donovan’s recent articles show.
It can snap your head out of the clouds and bring you down to earth a bit. But thats only stage 1.
Your contingency plan will be where it comes from.
” but I’ll be damned if I don’t have a contingency plan.”
Stop panicking.
I think they strain against the bounds of marital responsibility and spousal control. And then the State pays them (with your money) to leave. I do think that “hypergamy” simplifies this somewhat. In actual fact, I think that women are offered the opportunity to be teenagers again and they take it. In this way, their lifestyle is upgraded. They get rid of you, keep your money and house, and then get another man (likely poorer than you) to give her even more money.
Being an asshole is not a good qualification for divorce. Likewise, divorcing your wife because she’s a bitch. That’s something that can be fixed.
This is why men should marry younger women in the first place. Its what men and women want. It is only the artificial setting of “school” that leads us to believe that men and women of similar ages should associate.
Why can’t you do both? Lead them AND have a contingency plan? It would be unwise not to…
Since I do not know any lawyers, can you provide an insight to me in regards to your counter-assertion? I’d like to know why prenups suddenly become invalid when children come around.
Not sure I quite understand what you’re trying to convey…certainly not panicking. I’m just one of those guys that is mentally prepared for any situation, regardless how unlikely it is to happen. Probably habits picked up in the scouts and martial arts.
My father didn’t know how awful he was until he got divorced.
Because you don’t want to spend your life with a child or a series of female children.
There is a limit to how much you want to lead – women get ridiculously used to it and if you do not set the right dynamic from early the above is what you’ll end up with.
Contingency plans were forbidden by God for good reason – but the family unit no longer needs to be so strong to survive thanks to the state.
What you really want is to have no contingency plan and her neither.
What you need is a true Christian woman. But they only go out with true Christian men and you can’t fake it to these girls they have God on their side lol.
Let me rephrase my question because I think you ran with it a little too far:
When someone knows what they want and need, why is it bad for them to have the right dynamic from the start AND a contingency plan/preparedness for the unexpected even if it may not ever happen?
Because with faith in God you don’t need contingency plans.
Without faith in God, a contingency plan (with regards to relationship’s) means you have an option other than making it work. That option is what causes all the problems.
Maybe a less pompous way to put it,
How readily would you pair up with someone you knew you could not break away from?
That whole approach makes a very different mindset, by the time two people are together, a lot more thinking has occurred and a lot less life altering irreversible action has.
Contingency’s are great else ware don’t get me wrong. But our family unit isn’t well suited to contingency plans…
I agree that your mindset has a lot to do with how a relationship functions…
However, you can have as much faith in god as humanly possible, but what about the other person in the relationship? You can even have total faith in the other person too… but you really do not know if that woman is the devil.
Many men make the mistake of pairing up with someone they know that they can’t break away from yet no amount of faith in god or that person can save them from a weak minded partner or devil in disguise.
The main theme of this site is to deal with the realities of human nature, based on human perceptions and exposing all facets of it so we can make educated decisions based on our own experiences and those of others.
Even the holy books do this. Just look at Eve going and eating that apple. Pretty sure Adam had full faith in god and the fact that she wouldn’t do such a thing… and the fool had no contingency plan either.
Lets keep this real: you, me or god ultimately have no control over everything that another person does regardless of your own amount of faith.
“However, you can have as much faith in god as humanly possible, but what about the other person in the relationship? You can even have total faith in the other person too… but you really do not know if that woman is the devil.”
Thats why as a Christian you only involve yourself with another true Christian who’s first love is the God of creation. The TRUE part is key…
To be yolked to an unbeliever is MADNESS for a truly born in the spirit Christian. There are exceptions, but they are rare.
“The main theme of this site is to deal with the realities of human nature, based on human perceptions and exposing all facets of it so we can make educated decisions based on our own experiences and those of others.”
The main goal of life is to release our ‘human’ nature (it’s really an animal nature, anything human comes from God) and develop our Godly nature. Animals can’t do this that’s the big difference. If you have reduced/accepted yourself to the status of an high functioning animal then what do you expect from life and the other high functioning animals around you?
The Devil want’s you to think your in control. That YOU got it handled.
This way you don’t turn to God – few rich men will see the Kingdom of Heaven. Faith in God is FAITH in GOD. Not faith in yourself or someone else with an animal nature. Once you know God even in the smallest way, you will understand what is meant by faith in God. The law of attraction was a poorly and weak attempt to explain how faith in God works.
“Even the holy books do this. Just look at Eve going and eating that apple. Pretty sure Adam had full faith in god and the fact that she wouldn’t do such a thing… and the fool had no contingency plan either.”
The only contingency plan when you’re dealing with the Devil is God. The only contingency plan worth having is God. Any other contingency plan will just be a diversion that leads to disappointment.
God gave us a free will. Since Eve made the most of it and went against God’s advice, The whole Hebrew-Christian History has been God’s way of respecting free will whilst providing a contingency plan for those who would have faith in Him and in Him place their lives ( which are eternal one way or the other).
“Lets keep this real: you, me or god ultimately have no control over everything that another person does regardless of your own amount of faith.”
No.
Let’s keep it REALLY real – because what you ( and other non believers) think is real is just a perception (a fallen perception at that).
Another person has a free will that God will not without permission violate.
But when that permission is given by two people, God is in control and that is the whole point. God’s plan is honoured not your own. That means You shalt not put away your wife nor have sex outside of your marriage to your wife.
Anyone who enters a marriage thinking about contingency plans does NOT have faith in God.
Anyone who’s life does not have faith in God they actually are living in a jungle with all the other animals, and have absolutely zero basis for any rights, privileges or expectations other than what they can wrestle from life themselves. The devil will lend a hand but this doesn’t get us any closer to our home and Father – Jesus Christ the Lord of creation.
What I’m saying is that you don’t have to work so hard if you have God in your life. You can just trust in His Law, His Word, His power and His plan.
And if another does the same and truly lives putting God’s will first, well now you have the perfect plan for humanity. No need for contingency’s.
Christian in practice, not in title. I’d say well over 50% of the sluts in Christian pews are just that, sluts in Christian pews. Religion doesn’t absolve that MWARL (Most Women Are Like That), whether led by God, or man. the default is the default.
What you’re implying is “preconditioning” by something such as religion. For those of us who really, really took the entire red-pill across the full spectrum of life, not just women and career…there are layers and depths to religion that are so fucking Satanic in their hypocrisy, it’s unspeakable. In fact, I self-identify as Methodist, because I was confirmed that in my adolescence, yet my personal experience has taught me the shadiest lying 2-faced back stabbers I’ve ever encountered were either 1) devout religious, or 2) Atheist, and often hid behind that status for moral high ground pedestalization of themselves. Devout Christians also make for some seriously horrific divorces.
Self-pedestalization via “Holier Than Thou” self appointed status. It’s those who tend to believe in a “higher-power” but don’t feel the need to “cleanse” themselves weekly at church, who tend to be the realist people I’ve met, both man and woman.
Think about it. If we as men could just say;”I quit, I’m so over this thing called a “life”, sooo I QUIT !” << This is literally what we’ve incentivized women to do. From lower class to upper class, no one’s safe from that level of institutionalized entitlement.
You’re too undereducated on this topic to comment here. Go back past 12 months and find articles with similar topics first.
I’m not sure either matter, nor iron-clad anymore. A good enough legal team – so I’ve heard from victims – can punch through prenups or refile the suit with a judge that will grant breaking of said prenups.
Lol. the wording in your last sentence. haha.
Which is why going perfect 180 into beta mode, is the tried & true tested way to dump a bitch who you never want to fuck/see again.
Anyone of course can call themselves a Christian etc…
But a relationship with God has nothing to do with religion.
“What you’re implying is “preconditioning” by something such as religion.”
No not at all.
I am implying that a True Christian woman has a genuine commitment to God’s will first and foremost and will understand how important God’s rules are regarding marriage and children etc.
A true Christian is filled by the Holy Spirit so is able to do a lot better than someone who is not.
Ye must be born again. This changes everything.
I’ll take what you have said on board but don’t be upset if I think that your message may alienate people because of your use of god as a crutch to support your side of debates between men, even if they are themselves Christians… It’s too easy of a cop out.
I have 100% faith in the fact that god made men operate within god’s design… which enables us to discuss matters in the language of men while using our god given skills of observation, reason, logic, pattern recognition, memory and so on. These skills are required to find another “true Christian”.
Faith makes you think that you don’t need a contingency plan. There is always Rowan Atkinson’s Welcome to Hell sketch where he plays the Devil (in a silk smoking jacket no less): “Any Christians here? I’m sorry but it turns out the Jews were right!”
In my personal circle, all the divorces I know the details of were pretty much failures on the part of the guys. In my professional life as a divorce attorney it was a mixed bag. For every guy who becomes a huge asshole, there are at least two women who finally reveal that they were nucking futz the whole time.
The dictionary definition of hypergamy (marrying up) is not the same as the red pill definition.
As opposed to the ancient Greek city states who kept men in the military until at least 30 years of age, but once they were capable of leading their own household (or a subsection of their own father’s) they married an 18 year old girl.
Pre-nups, post-nups, and cohabitation agreements can only blunt the effects of divorce rape. Marriage and divorce has been set up to be one-sided unless you decide and can convince the woman to opt into something more fair.
Family law agreements are never automatically binding just because you signed them. Infidelity clauses are unenforceable in California because they go directly against the public policy of no fault divorce. That varies from state to state and even in California a cheating spouse might not raise the defense so they don’t have to air their dirty laundry.
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I never encountered them in my legal practice in British Columbia, but a bit of internet browsing seems to reveal it is the wife, not the husband, who tend to ask for the clause (in a one-way street manner).
Anytime anything changes in the relationship that was no contemplated in the prenup, the agreement becomes more and more irrelevant and less and less enforceable over time.
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As far as I know, most jurisdictions will not allow you to put child custody and support terms into a prenup or similar agreement; you have to deal with the kids when the situation arises.
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However, if you sign a prenup that contemplates kids in the future and that plan plays out, if the other aspects of your life followed the plan laid out in the agreement, the terms concerning alimony and property divisions should still carry some weight.
“I have 100% faith in the fact that god made men operate within god’s design… ”
Well this is true but do you believe that since then man has ‘fallen’ and has a fallen nature?
It is this fallen nature that prevents us from operating within God’s design.
It is ignorance of this fallen state that is the Devil’s greatest accomplishment.
We do not by default understand God or follow God. We must make a choice about that – what you feel are Godly characteristics are likely not – you’d be surprised what the Holy Spirit makes clear to you.
“These skills are required to find another “true Christian”.
In my experience God lets you know when you have found another true Christian.
Fait doesn’t rely on logic, pattern recognition or memory.
It rely’s on God.
If you feel God can’t be relied upon it’s because you lack faith!
No I don’t believe that man has “fallen” or has a fallen nature. This is a religious tale. Religion is not god, it’s a human concept. Men start at the bottom and rise (develop) as they grow and mature, that includes growing their belief. You don’t FALL first. You begin at the bottom! (And with you appearing as a born again Christian, you may even look over your own life and realise that you also began at the bottom and now you are moving up, but you’re only half way, I know this by the way you USE Christianity).
Here’s the thing, I have faith in god alone… which isn’t based on faith in books written by men in men’s language, re-interpreted (often under duress by kings and “holy” men). It’s good to study these books for other men’s insight and understanding of their world view but men aren’t holy and can not be relied upon as a conduit between you and god. The link is direct.
Again, I use skills given to me by god as god intended them. You might not agree with that while others may call those skills “faith”, and that is fine. But pushing the religious slant in debates which are solely about human matters, (debated using a basic common language), alienates people as a whole and puts a stain on Christianity itself in the eyes of others (including Christians) much like when Jews, Muslims or Buddhists etc do the same.
Having said that, I don’t believe that most of humanity uses religion because they believe god. In most cases (other than using it to excuse some past behaviour) it’s simply the result of my tribal theory (which I won’t go into during this particular time).
Heh. This is way off topic now but the original debate can be summarised in the following:
I believe in using all of gods given powers and you believe in faith. I think they are both one and the same and you believe that they are not. We’re debating the same thing from two different view points.
There is no need for debate.
Cheers.
The fall of man is not an individual thing that occurs during our lives that we recover from.
And we are not basically saying the same thing I’m afraid – I have to state that.
“Having said that, I don’t believe that most of humanity uses religion because they believe god”
Most people are USED BY religion,
When offered to a hungry crowd who EXPECT food, religion gives something to chew on but is not the reason we have the hunger originally.
To satisfy that hunger one must ‘eat’ what has always been there and has never changed.
The Bible has been scientifically proven to contain a message that originates outside of the realms of time and space.
For definitive answers, ask God into your life.
Because the entire institution of marriage was centered around the child’s well being, legal impositions are put in place to prevent mom and dad from breaking up over frivolous shit (until no-fault divorce put an end to that) for the well being of the child.
Since the child’s wellbeing surpasses yours, for the sake of the child your resources can still be garnished by the state, cannot quote you any laws (i live in the Netherlands) but every western country has laws that pertain to child wellbeing in marriages, all western country’s have their own version of this same principle, if you happen to live in North America you should check out “Divorce Corp” docs, they have this one piece where they interview lawyers in regards to the validity of prenups where the lawyers point out that once children are involved a law that’s meant to insure their wellbeing in a divorce trumps that of any adults involves, they way men get fucking in divorce court is cuz the tender-years doctrine automatically places children with their mothers, and under the guise of “the child’s interest” the woman can then extract resources from the men.
exactly, scenario’s that were not anticipated are nearly guaranteed to occur, thus it’s better to just refrain from marriage, the only option for as far as i’m concerned.
I am rapidly approaching my best before date but I want to be a father. Marriage is the best structure to do that, flawed as it is.
Maybe it’s because they spent the daughter’s entire life carefully “managing” her, treating her like an animal, and strictly ensuring she acts, feels and thinks within defined gender roles rather than letting her be the full and wonderful human she was born to be. You do realise women are human beings, not dogs or pigs, right?
The idea of a unicorn is just a drug we have been fed since we were younger. Like adderall, and by mostly the same people.
well done.
By nature women do need to be relatively hypergamous. For a man to improve his station, he simply works smarter. A woman generally must marry up.
That said, this basic principle does not mean she’s going to marry you and then cheat on you with all your friends the moment you bring her back from Siberia. Every individual is different by nature also, and as I have pointed out before women suffer 1itis to a greater degree than men and by evolution need to attach themselves to one single man for a significant period of time. Sluts are conspicuous by the fact that there are not that many of them and women generally feel a sense of guilt and shame if they put out before at least knowing you for a while.
I’m not so certain about women and their oneitis. The war brides phenomenon rather informs me that they’ll drop hubby and Nazi-up the moment Fritz and his alpha tanks roll into her scenic French villa, and two years later drop Fritz in preference of Tommy Englishman or Kilroy American when they roll into town. Ol’ hubby may or may not be dead, doesn’t matter.
Were the vast majority of French and Dutch women dating Nazis? Or are these women conspicuous by their relative rarity?
At the time culture played a very strong role in discouraging this, yet it happened so often that we have entire villages here in the States full of war brides. We call(ed?) Fayetteville, NC “Fayettenam” back when I was stationed there, huge amounts of NCO’s or officer who went to Vietnam, who were stationed there, came back with a Vietnamese wife in tow. The effect was palpable, half the city was catering to Vietnamese culture (nothing wrong with that, just noting).
Rather like how “I thought you were dead so I married SO and SO” was a cultural meme so strong Hollywood nearly made it cliche in movies and pictures after WW2. It doesn’t have to be the enemy she marries, just “Jody” next door who stayed home while you got your ass shot at. The effect is the same, she is a ‘war bride’ and you’re gone, so you become irrelevant. Out of site, out of mind. The unbelievable amount of infidelity on military bases would shock you, even if you’re used to seeing women cheat.
I suppose I would have been better off referring to it as “out of site, out of mind” now that I give it a second read.
i spent a few years doing IT work on a US military installation in latin america. i would estimate the infidelity rate among the married deployed troops at around 90%. my sister lives in a big military town back in the US and estimates it as about as high among the wives of deployed troops.
It’s so prevalent and so well known that I marvel at the military man who gets married. He knows, he fucking knows the stats, he sees it every day. Talk about oneitis.
One of my rules:
“Your friends will remember you but your woman will marry the soldier that killed you”
I’m told that at navy bases you can tell when a ship is coming back by the increased number of men at bus and train stations.
..of the saddest of truths that lead us here.
That truth is as old as the moon
You could argue the term “country” is a male distinction, female hypergamy knows no bounds or patriotism.
I’m not so sure that a woman has to marry up anymore. Maybe 30+ years ago, but women graduate with more college degrees than men (since ’85 for undergrad and ’89 for masters, 2012 for PhD). For a woman to improve her situation, she just needs education. Women are so much more educated than men in America, women are marrying “down”; the # of single, educated, handsome, successful man with no children is a unicorn for us women.
Nobody here cares about your recycled opinions. Go away.
I recycle onions
Women aren’t marrying down financially. They marry the high earner (typically they find their way into this circle for that purpose) and if they’re good looking enough, they’ll fuck a more attractive man on the side.
Women also don’t like taking on more responsibility for more money when working (they absolutely abhor accountability). Usually they stay where they feel most “comfortable.” They also don’t negotiate their salaries competitively and complain about wage inequality because employers don’t just give it to them. Same way they behave in relationships with men, “you should just know what I want.”
To make matters worse, for men anyway, is that women who pursue education (the real kind, not useless bullshit) ambitiously are usually not very attractive, which makes sense because hot chicks don’t need to.
Right. Women make less because in part they can’t negotiate a salary with their right brain any more than they can make a sensible purchace for a sensible item large or small. The advertizing jingles are like crack to their right brain. Females purchace the majority of un needed crap with money from santa claus for all they care.
I guess that makes me a unicorn…
Maybe that’s why so many aren’t getting married anymore… they can’t marry up if they’re already up themselves. he he.
I think all men regardless of where they stand would like to believe in a fantasy that NAWALT. The only problem is that men, unlike women, can’t afford to divugle in a fantasy.
If I haven’t seen a girl in a while and we reconnect, my go to opening line is:”So hows the land of make believe been treating you?” Obviously it’s a loaded question I know the answer to.
I was writing a separate comment but while I was writing it I realized that you’re more right than I thought. Social programming teaches men to be less masculine and women to be more masculine. You can hear it a thousand times but until you start saying it yourself without thinking you don’t really understand.
Aye. Now remove some Millenial men from their conditioning for a while. Take some camping, for example, and have no iZombies present. They start becoming more masculine within hours. Scouting (used to be) a great inoculation against feminization and anti-masculine propaganda, I’m glad my son got to experience it before they started “welcoming” faggots.
It is frightening and sad to see a good hog go bad. Even more so when it bites. And if you kick the little bastard you get into deep shit.
But its even weirder to loose a hog to another hog…
The hog analogy is probably lost to those not in farm country. But I felt compelled to make the case. Heh.
My family was more about cows than hogs, even so an animal going against its master goes back to Asop’s fables.
I was just using your metaphor as an excuse for a tiny cathartic writing exercise.
I shot a feral hog in the head with a .357 and all it did was get pissed off and try to kill me and the dogs.
I stabbed it to death.
Marinated in cola and Jim Beam for three days and BBQed it turned out pretty good.
See, I was approaching the metaphor from the other end, referring to a human as a hog. There’s a reason its called “long pork”.
My ex used to make me rage on purpose because it made her feel alive.
But that almost killed me.
Notice I said “ex”.
Haha, one I had the kid with, had a screaming match so loud with I popped a capillary on my vocal chord (pollup) I have yet to get removed. I haven’t yelled that loud since. Next day we had a 3-some. 3 weeks later we split for good.
Were you hoping the other guy in the spitroast would take her off your hands?
AHALT
Which is why I absolutely hammer the bullshit out of my younger sister. Father doesn’t like it but I am saving her life.
Isn’t this feminism in reverse: blame all for the crimes of a few? From the dawn of history, good women have been hard to find. Even in conservative societies, good women are rare. Not to talk of Sodom (aka USA).
But there have always been good women, and the more clearly men reject bad women, the higher the number of good women become, because women are programmed to want to please the men. “Your desire shall be to your husband, and he shall dominate you” was the last rule given to Adam’s “strong independent” wife.
Great article, I agree wholeheartedly. There is a time and a place for losing your cool, and stoic is a good baseline behavior but some men benefit more from other behavior. If you’re a bit of a comedian, being a little goofy rather than stoic MAY pay dividends, if it’s done properly. Stoic isn’t 100% end all be all. A lot of game noobs are too stoic at the cost of charisma as well.
As for good women, I agree with that too. It’s important that ROK and other similar websites break through the matrix for new male readers by portraying women as unworthy of a pedestal, but at the same time these attempts to break through the matrix can cause outright hatred for women and despair. I also think that while a girl who has had a few sex partners is not optimal and presents a greater risk to invest in, there actually truly are some reformed women that would make a high quality wife. I believe it because I have witnessed it a couple of times now among friends. The key is that the reform was desired by the woman, least any folks out there get crazy Captain Save a Ho ideas. Nonetheless, there are good women out there – enough to make your dreams a reality as long as you are a quality man yourself or are working to get there.
Women are NOT gods. Why do we constantly worry about how we can please them? Isn’t there anything better in life than receiving their admiration? Your basically saying your happiness depends on her approval of you. Haven’t you ever stopped and thought about WHY all your efforts or main focus is on game, money, and becoming an “alpha”? If women didn’t exist would you even care about these things? No you wouldn’t, because it would mean nothing to you or other men if you had these things or not. This is why you’re stressed, this is why it feels like you’re running a race that has no end in site. This is why you’re reading articles on how to get game, gains, and look more appealing on the outside when on the inside you don’t feel like yourself (if you were honest). You’re simply creating an illusion(more money, more power, bigger chest) to a impress some woman who doesn’t even know what she wants.
There is a reason the first commandment say’s: “Thou shalt not have No other gods before me” It’s because you can’t break any other commandment without breaking the first. Your sins or your problems in life is a result of you putting someone else’s opinion above that of God’s. Your validation and worth comes from what the world(society) thinks of you rather than what God thinks of you. This is why you have problems, this is why you feel like you must out perform other men in order to get the highest quality woman, this is why you’re a slave.You are worshipping a created thing rather than the creator.
Timothy Keller said it brilliantly:
“Our need for worth is so powerful that whatever we base our identity and value on we essentially ‘deify.’ We will look to it with all the passion and intensity of worship and devotion, even if we think ourselves as highly irreligious.”
If women didn’t exist would you even care about these things? No
True, because from a very real standpoint, none of us would exist. This sounds like me being pedantic, but it’s not. Men and women care about each other because we are biological animals that have strong hard wiring to reproduce. We’re bound to care about the other, there’s no getting around it.
Worshiping God is great. Thinking that this will get you a wife, is not. That takes effort on your part (if you’re inclined to marry I mean). Your way is the way of the hermit on the hill, which is fine if that’s how you want to live, but it is out of accord not just with your biological programming, but with God’s will as well (since you brought up God).
This is why you’re reading articles on how to get game, gains, and look
more appealing on the outside when on the inside you don’t feel like
yourself (if you were honest).
There is no “inner self” that is different than the person you make yourself out to be. Human minds can be contradictory, but that doesn’t mean that they cannot be congruent with how you invent/create yourself.
If I lift weights (look more appealing) I jack up my T levels, which affects my personality and how I act and react to things, which in turn helps define my deeper personality, my “inside me”. There is no one stasis “you”, there is only what you make of yourself, subject to change based on what you do or don’t do. That is all.
You’re simply creating an illusion(more money, more power, bigger chest)
to a impress some woman who doesn’t even know what she wants.
If my chest is bigger, that’s not an illusion. If I earn more money than I did, this is not an illusion. If I work my way to CEO of a company from starting in the mail room, this is not illusionary power. It is all very real, very measurable and very obvious to anybody.
Your advice seems to be a wordy version of “just be yourself” which makes very little sense when you dissect it. To say you should have no “why” behind improving yourself, or “for myself only” is very myopic since it rejects your “Inner self” desires and needs which in effect denies your inner self. Contradiction. If I dress nice for a job interview, you’d charge that I was not being true to “myself” and was dancing on the strings of somebody else. No, my goal is that particular job, I do what is required to get that job, because it’s my goal.
Christ, we don’t navigate around in life in a bubble devoid of the influences of others. We’re social beings. Of course we do things to satisfy goals that involves others. We wouldn’t be social beings if we didn’t.
The Shaker religion is worse than porn. Confiscate any Shaker literature you ever find in your kid’s bedroom. It’s almost as bad for the tribe as a neighborhood crack house within shot range.
‘To say you should have no “why” behind improving yourself, or “for myself only” is very myopic since it rejects your “Inner self” desires and needs which in effect denies your inner self.’
Some very tasty food for thought… Thank you!
AWALT is about not rationalizing that every woman we fall in love with is “different” from the others. I don’t see any disadvantages to maintaining tight Game even if you have stumbled upon some unicorn or paragon.
For perspective, imagine the hamstering of a woman who has just knowingly started a relationship with a deeply flawed(mentally-ill, criminal past, et cetera) man. “He’s trying really hard”, “He told me all his exes were lying”, “He’s a misunderstood genius”, “Our love is special”. That’s how stupid AWALT-deniers sound.
+10
Always liked that painting of Byron. Nice choice.
my wife is unicornish, but she still shit tests occasionally, and i still remember to respond according to game principles.
I think every woman, no matter how unicornish, is gonna shit test you from time to time.
I would call these reasons to be flexible rather than actual flaws. They have their time and place. Although he’s a raving fucking homo, Captain Flint demonstrates the appropriate times to maintain frame and totally lose his shit.
If you can maintain frame, then when you finally lose your shit it will have just that much more impact. Lose your shit too much and a woman will basically laugh at you because she knows you’re not serious.
Personally, in conjunction with the yelling I like to get in a woman’s face so deep she can taste what I had for breakfast that morning.
Are you talking about Captain Flint from Black Sails? If so he’s a good example of that. I have the feeling that making him bi was the fault of the writers trying to make the show more PC. Although if you look back at history, there was a ton of homosexuality going on on those pirate ships. So I’d imagine there was some historical accuracy for that.
I’m not really certain that there’s any real proof of homosexuality being rampant on pirate ships. Gays tend to do that, tell us that “huge swaths of XYZ group were gay!” without a shred of evidence.
They also tell us it’s perfectly natural because giraffes are gay too. Homo logic, I guess.
Yes Black Sails. I’m not sure about PC – I actually think it has more to do with the Gay Agenda.
I’m sure there was homosexuality going on but I suspect it was more of the prison variety.
“A girl who likes you might back off if she sees that you’re in the company of good looking girls on the regular because she doesn’t want to have to compete with other females.”
Good. You got good looking girls so why would you care about that particular one?
I think I’ve gotten to the point where game just appears to be natural masculinity to me. I’ve been reading sites like ROK for 1-2 years now and they have helped me to undo much of my social programming and with it I have gained “Game” naturally.
That’s the best game, ‘natural’. It separates the course work from the field work. Most pay-jobs I’ve worked, I bluffed my way past the credentials and learned while I earned. Maybe I read a quick how-to piece on the job so I wouldn’t fuck up or flop before my first paycheck, but controlling woman game is also best if learned ‘hands on’. Western men have one hell of a ‘school of game’ to grapple with, if you consider the sexual market place like a big school or higher university of life. The desks are all broken, the textbooks written in, the halls smell like urine. Is this a school or what? Better at least read a complementary ‘game’ pamphlet before you go in there. That’s a SCHOOL in there, not a Red Lobster. That would be down the road 1/4 mile. Sad that the American school of pussy is what it is but it’s the best this side of the Caucasus.
Interesting article. I am 29 year old woman who is engaged to a wonderful man and while I don’t agree whole heatedly with this, I have to say that women do want a strong man who is not a pussy. My fiance and I don’t fight and I don’t shit test him, as you call it. However, there was one 9 hour car ride with no AC and another hour of checking in to hotel processes that left me in a bitch mood. When we got up to the room I was being an asshole and bitching why didn’t he get all the bags. He stood up to me then without getting loud or yelling and let me know how I was acting was shitty. I quickly apologized, and I told him later that I appreciated him having a backbone. I have never done that again and never will, but from that day forward I knew that he was not afraid to give my attitude right back to me. It helped affirm a boundary on our relationship and I respected him for that, among many other things.
You said you don’t shit test him, then relate a story where you shit test him and he passes and you feel better that he responded to it positively. I don’t believe you’re really made your case.
“I don’t shit test!” : “My fiance and I don’t fight and I don’t shit test him, as you call it. “
“I shit tested him!”: ” When we got up to the room I was being an asshole and bitching why didn’t he get all the bags.”
“He gave passed and gave me tingles!”: “ut from that day forward I knew that he was not afraid to give my attitude right back to me. It helped affirm a boundary on our relationship and I respected him for that”
Shit testing is not necessarily consciously indulged in by women, sometimes it just appears whether they are cognizant of it or not.
Another female double-speak.
They are naturally wired to shit test. They are all like that.
all humans are like that. You need to start examining your own behaviour as well and you might notice that you actually have some flaws (gasp) and are not 100% perfect (double gasp!).
Yes, I really appreciate it when my husband doesn’t play any games with me or rise to it if I “shit-test” (which I’ll freely admit I do, but I also have to say he does it too, because guess what, we are both humans and humans shit-test). I also really appreciate it when he never yells. He’s man enough to tell me when he thinks I’m being unreasonable without losing his temper or intimidating, which is actually just cowardice and not manliness.
From my side of it, if he’s being unreasonable, I try to give him the same treatment as he gives me and not start a fight. Because he’s an imperfect human just like me and we both understand and respect one another. None of this mind game, manipulative, pavlovian response training of your spouse bulldust.
I disagree with not maintaining frame. Losing your temper and becoming emotional is a woman’s battleground. They are more experienced in that field. I have told my wife to “shut the fuck up” and I did it calmly, though my voice was hard. She shut her mouth and looked at her feet. If I yelled at her, it would have sent her into a crying fit. Not something I want to deal with. Remember, women feed off emotions. Don’t feed the bear.
Agreed. You don’t feed animals because they’ll keep coming back. I learned that with my wife the hard way. We used to have knock-down drag out fights because I lost frame and our emotions just fed each other. Now when she gets angry, I just act like nothing’s happening or treat her like one of the kids until she gets a hold of herself. Most of these emasculated men would be scared shitless to mock their wife when she’s on the verge of a massive temper tantrum. Now, I don’t even hesitate. She grumbles for a few minutes and she’s over it; just like a kid.
1) I can personally attest to the truth to your first discovered flaw. I know of one that turns into a wild animal in bed and almost kills my old ass with sex after I lay down the law hard n loud.
2) Yes and no on the second flaw. Make no mistake, they Are All Like That and if you find that rare one that isn’t, it’s only temporary. They will be different than all the other girls you’ve ever known…on purpose. They want something! There is a specific goal in mind and once they achieve that, NAWALT turns into AWALT again. Just as easy as flipping a light switch. Some of them can do it for a very long time. Examples of the specific goal: Engagement Ring, Wedding, Baby (1st, 2nd, etc.), House….
Got news for you, friend. The Good Girl is a cock tease. She plays the innocent, angelic saint. It’s her way of shit testing you and manipulating you. Bad Girl doesn’t play that game. She just wants the D.
On point #1, many women, if not all women, respect and are attracted to violence/potential for violence though very few will actually admit it.
Your second point is true. Logically speaking, you must never say “all” when you mean “most”
Getting angry and losing frame are not the same thing. You can go all the way back to Aristotle to find a guy who will tell you that there will be circumstances where it would be completely INAPPROPRIATE to NOT get angry.
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Secondly, expressing anger and raising your voice are not synonymous. The fact that a woman can make you angry at all sometimes gives them a sense of power over you, and that can be magnified if you start yelling.
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Raising your voice seems to work best when confronting complete irrationality, as with the STFU example. Amused mastery works best for straight forward shit tests. However, when a girl legitimately makes you angry, don’t tell them you are angry and don’t tell them that they made you angry: tell them, calmly and seriously, that they are “disappointing”.
Sharpe is the best fkn writer on ROK period
“The belief is that all women in this part of the world are
hypergamous sluts who will cheat on you with impunity for any and every reason under the sun. While this applies to the vast majority of females in the western hemisphere”
Bullshit. More than 50% of western wives are not cheating on their husbands.
being strong amongst other men turns women on way more than little displays of temper with them……..they won’t pull shit they know they can’t get away with
Great concept for an article, but only a married man who has everything to lose is actually going to believe NAWALT. Of all the things in game that might shift, AWALT is NOT one of them. I have to LOL at #2. Even women know that AWALT. Women know women and even they don’t get along as well as they pretend. Seriously, all good, but #2 sounds like you have the love goggles on, and I’m not trying to be Mr. Tough Guy e-player, I’m not. I don’t get as much action from women as I’d like, but some things I know for sure.
OMG #2 is so true. It’s why I absolutely refuse to ask for anyone for advice with any situation and I facepalm seeing PUAs advice to people most of the time.
Usually they fail to realize that hearing a few anecdotes and one perception of a situation doesn’t equal out to them having a God-like view of the situation, then they mechanicalize the entire situation to the woman did A because of B, C, and D. You need to do F. “Um but actually she didn’t do A, that’s not what I meant… I meant.. I DONT CARE!!! You need to do B C and D!! Now go and come back when you’ve done it. lol
OK, so… it’s good for a woman to be a virgin with good physical boundaries. But it’s fine for you to be a sex crazed attention whore?