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Why Being Good Looking Is Not Enough To Be Successful With Women

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Unless you have the kind of good looks that are absolutely irrefutable, relying on them to pick up women is not a robust strategy and you will have to learn game. Why? Because the results that a man can achieve solely through his appearance are hugely inconsistent and not to be relied upon.

This is why the concept of ‘leagues’ in the sexual marketplace is a flawed one. If you see a girl and fail to approach her because you think she’s ‘out of your league’ then you are doing yourself a disservice because you can never know for sure what physical type she prefers in a man before you walk up to her.

Looks Are An Inconsistent Indicator Of Success

To explain what I mean, let me tell you a little about my own experience. Of course, it is difficult for anyone to be completely objective about their appearance, but if forced to describe myself I’d probably go for something like “quite good looking, not particularly tall.”

While I have definitely attracted women on the basis of my looks without having to run a great deal of game, I am certainly not in the male model category I mention above.

For full disclosure a  girl I slept with a couple of years ago rated me, unprompted, as an 8.5 . My feeling is that she was being somewhat generous, and that you should definitely shave a point or two off of that. In fact, I am somewhere in the vast, grey middle of male SMV, where I suspect many other guys—probably most guys—sit also.

What does this mean for my results with women? That they are inconsistent (when based solely on looks) and at times wildly unpredictable. I have pulled 9s and I have been brutally rejected by 6s.

When I look back at photographs of myself at college or university I can see now that I was decent looking. Was I getting girls though? Hell no.

Game Denialists

game denialists

This is where those game-denialists who write in comments sections on articles like this one that “it’s all about looks” are way off beam. Because if I took that girl I slept with at face value then I could claim to be a good-looking guy—an 8.5!—put down all of this game stuff and just wait for all the sexual offers to come flooding in.

But it doesn’t work like that.

For a start your looks (and your sexual market value generally) are always judged contextually, and there is always someone better looking than you (or richer, more powerful, stronger or whatever).

A couple of weeks ago I picked up on IOIs (indicators of interest) from this very sexy Belarusian girl I met in Berlin. Blonde, slim and aged 24 with pert breasts, I’d confidently expect most men to put her at an 8.5 or 9. As soon as I met her this girl flashed me so-called ‘doggy dinner bowl eyes’. Later we exchanged contact details and off the bat she began sending me sexually-charged, flirtatious messages. Then we met at a club where things got very hot between us indeed.

It’s still work-in-progress but her attraction to me can’t be doubted, and I didn’t need to ‘game’ her at approach in the normal way.

If only it were always like that.

Then on Saturday I went to a club in Berlin filled with hot girls—and tall, good-looking men—where it was a huge slog for me to get any traction at all. I probably opened around 20 girls, got shut down by the majority and only achieved any real traction with a couple of them.

My point is that in theory I’m someone who could just about be accused of running ‘good-looking guy game’, particularly by a man a few points below me on the SMV scale. But the unfortunate truth of the matter is that I can no more ‘rely’ on my looks than he can.

Style

I’ve been thinking a lot about IOIs recently and it would be a lie to say that I don’t consider them to be a very important element of my game. The more that you are able to pick up on those small signals girls put out that show that they like you, the better. It means that your approaches are warm rather than cold, and that you are more likely to see a positive result from your approach.

But bear in mind that IOIs are not solely indexed to your looks. A girl may display interest based on your confidence, on the way you walk, on the way you speak, on your body language, your clothes, your style—everything about you, in fact. The good news here is that a majority of those things are completely within your control.

I have pretty good style, a distinct look and way of carrying myself. I dress well, I speak powerfully and I’m pretty confident. This is all a result of self-improvement work that I’ve undertaken over many years and I believe it’s why I’m now a lot more successful with women than I was in my late teens and twenties (when I was as good-looking, if not more so).

But on App like Tinder which is based solely on looks I don’t do anything like as well as my male model friend. And in venues like clubs where looks are paramount, the success that I do achieve comes largely through the confident, cocky and dominant manner in which I approach.

Put it this way, if I just stand around ‘relying on my looks’ and waiting for girls to come up to me then I’m likely to go home empty-handed.

The truth is that looks (and in particular male looks) are very much in the eye of the beholder and subject to that beholder’s own individual tastes and preferences. Yes, if you have really top-tier male model looks then those alone will probably get you laid enough for you not to have to worry too much about using game to get sex (although you will always need some game). But if your own aesthetic falls anywhere short of top tier then the principles of game are absolutely essential if you want to introduce any level of consistency at all into your sex life.

Before learning game my access to women was extremely patchy. Although I slept with some very attractive girls, ‘dry spell’ of several months in between were not unusual, and the girls tended to leave me anyway when they realised that I was beta with no idea of how to handle them.

It was only when I internalised the principle of game that I was able to achieve the sort of abundant, regular sex life that I’d always desired My looks, meanwhile, remained unchanged, demonstrating to me unequivocally that it is the manner in which I interact with girls rather than the way that I look that really makes the difference.

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690 thoughts on “Why Being Good Looking Is Not Enough To Be Successful With Women”

  1. This is my favorite article on game from you to date Troy! Very good job explaining the aspects of game versus looks. I imagine looks wise we are similar, and are about the same height roughly. From past experience, getting approached by 9s is a rarity but they will send a bunch of IOIs. Having a voice that carries and sounds like it has some bass to it is also powerful with women. Style has always been a mixed bag since there were times when I walked out with sweats and hadn’t showered and still gotten a number or three. Even with that level of being unkempt, bare minimum was making sure the breath was fresh.
    All in all, leaving it just to looks, there is always an excuse to why you don’t look good enough. Not the best clothes. Not the freshest hair. Not the right height. Not the right level of muscular. Or not the right skin color. But there is always one reason you can do it; there was no way of knowing you would have ever existed. Your parents didn’t know. You didn’t know. No one knew. That level of random is profound. Why count out your own odds when you do not know them all? Plus game is fun. We all can use more fun.

    1. You’re right. I’m an extremely good looking man. Easily a 14/10 on the looks scale. But because I’m socially awkward, I have difficulty securing a marriage with attractive women. Game is more valuable than looks.

      1. I have seen from an early age, a guy who was beaten by the ugly stick twice, get contacts, talk less, get fit, get money, and start to sleep with good looking women. Can’t call them high value because we were teens back then and this was likely due to him potentially selling drugs, but I have seen game’s value in my own life. I doubt I would have gotten threesomes as often as I have without it or got hit on by as many good looking women as I have. Women just don’t act on their crushes unless prompted, which can take months.

        1. Guys who hit rock bottom are more likely to get their shit together. Privileged men (like me) have their whole live handed to them on a gold platter, so they have no understanding of what struggle is like.

        3. Look, I’m sorry I pissed you off in yesterday article, OK! Please don’t shit all over this one.

  2. Tall and hot helps (*modest blush*) but if you don’t know how to talk and if you walk around like a dork, no amount of height and natural good looks is going to help you in the least. Guys way more average and short who can spit some great conversation out fearlessly will own your lanky big ol’ arse.
    Money, eh, it’s needed but not the only requirement. Confidence and rock solid frame combined with being able to be conversationally charming are more or less the key to life when it comes to women. BUT…being tall and hot helps get the foot in the door first before anything else.
    If you’re tall, hot, can make girls giggle and blush and get all flustered and off balance, have money and never drop frame, the world is your fucking oyster.
    End of the day, no game, no pussy. It’s just that simple, barring any random sympathy fucks or drunken “Did she just fuck me” encounters.

    1. GOJ this is on point. While you cant be a fat 400lb basement dweller with great game and pull 9s, you can be reasonably attractive, have good game, some success and get women.

      1. “While you cant be a fat 400lb basement dweller with great game and pull 9s”
        I think you just put Pabst on suicide watch…

        1. Didn’t you just say you’re a 14/10 Baliwood doppleganger and still can’t get any puss puss?

        2. Of course. I have very high standards and know exactly what I’m looking for. Even if I fail, I’m not going to whine and moan about how unfair the world is. I’ll grab it by the throat, pin it down and make it my bitch.

        3. See my other comments to him, hes in a corner stabbing a poster of Jackie Chan and Bruce Lee right now

  3. Women appreciate what’s on the inside more than what’s on the outside. They go crazy for real men who respect them and accept them for who they are. Just be yourself and a woman who loves you will pop up right at your doorstep, just like magic!
    https://i.imgflip.com/1rn9ir.jpg

    1. My daughter would crawl over glass on her belly to be within ten feet of that Hemsworth guy. She will tell you this directly. Heh.

      1. You see? That’s my point! You don’t have to bother with all of this game stuff. Just be natural, kind and caring and gorgeous Aryan princesses will crawl over glass just to be with you!

        1. She actually started having a “thing” for him after the first Thor movie. So amend that to “Just be natural, kind, caring, gorgeous and a god of Thunder and gorgeous Aryan princesses will crawl over glass just to be with you”.

        3. General rule of thumb: If You Can Smite, Your Game Is Tight.
          My grandpa taught me that. Or something.

        4. My great grandpa told me something similar, “If you can smack it, you can whack it.”

        5. You’re going to rue all this muh Aryan Princess talk when your daughter ends up dating Sandeep Singh when she’s in college.

        6. Seriously, go away. Nobody here. Ever. Dates a Sandeep. Except some fugly Hindu broad.
          Your world does not exist outside of the 2 mile radius where you live. Get over it.

        7. Screw you, man! Sandeep Singh is my friend! And he’s actually quite good looking!

        9. Okay so I should ignore my observations on university campuses in the Midwest?

        10. I suggest you open your eyes: it’s not the 1980s or 1990s anymore. Lots of white women are dating Indian and East Asian males, particularly on college campuses.

        11. I said, get over it. You are myopic and ignorant.

        12. Dude, you went to what, Minnesota? That’s as “midwest” as Vermont. When you get to RED STATE midwest, then we can talk.

        13. I’ve seen the kind of Indian men emigrating to America. If what you’re saying is true, white women are seriously dropping their standards.

        14. He’s full of crap. He lives in a 3 block sized “world” and extrapolates everything from that limited set of data to the rest of the nation. My guess here is that some Ravi took his last girlfriend and he now has a severe case of Confirmation Bias.
          Lolknee has offered numerous times to show him the error of his ways, they only live a few blocks apart, but Pabst refuses to meet because I think that he subconsciously knows that Lolknee will pop his little bubble of self deception and he’ll be forced to accept some responsibility for his failures with women instead of being able to blame some mythical “Sandeep”.

        17. Here’s how I see it playing out:
          GoJ’s daughter breaks up with her white blonde Thor look alike high school beau. Perhaps he does something stupid: cheats on her or kisses another girl or flirts with another girl whatever.
          GoJ’s daughter, understandably hurt, overreacts and decides attractive white men are too conceited and looks for the complete opposite: a short Hindu with “inner beauty” who won’t act in such a boorish way or hurt her emotionally.

        19. You’re hopeless, ignorant and utterly lacking in self awareness or of the concept that a world exists outside of your 3 block sized “world”.
          Nobody here, ever, dates a Sandeep except other Hindus. That’s true basically in most of the rest of the world. Except your 3 block universe, of course. But nothing exists outside of that, right?
          Until you meet with lolknee and learn the true error of your ways, nothing you say has any relevance to the real world or to how women work. Nothing. You are utterly without any real experience and you reek of it.
          What an ivory tower loon. Dude, don’t post to me on this topic again today please.

        21. Must be another case of reaction formation.
          As an Indian myself (but an attractive one), I can say the majority of Indian men are ugly.

        22. I see lots of girls with conventionally “ugly” men. It is conventionally attractive men who are always alone.

        23. That guy lives only a few blocks away from lolknee?!?! I learnt more from that guy just by chatting on the comments section. What the hell is Pabst’s problem?

        24. There are some nice looking Indian men, but not many. The high caste ones generally I see walking around with the few really hot Indian women I’ve encountered. Nothing wrong with that. I have never honestly seen a white girl with an Indian guy though, at least not here in Ohio.

        25. No. I just observe my environment. It’s some outmoded stereotype from the 1980s or 1990s that white females don’t date Indian or East Asian males. They do. Especially in their teens / 20s.

        26. Who knows. He’s hopeless and wants to wallow in his own pity party, and I think that if he actually did find out that the world doesn’t work like his fantasy world works, he would be forced to look in the mirror for the source of the real problems regarding trying to get women. I’ve tried for a long time and so have others, but he’s a blockhead and stubborn. There is literally no hope for him.

        27. You live in a white majority area, right? Women are not going to break formation are date outside their race when their own people are the majority.

        28. I told you not to post to me on this topic again. You will not be answered by me on this topic again for the rest of this thread. You’re supposed to be intelligent, so get the hint.

        29. The majority of men are ugly no matter how you cut the demographic, but I think it is what a person is used too.
          I once had a Korean woman tell me, “all you white guys look alike.” My response was, “Funny that. We think the same about Asians.”

        30. Yeah, every county in Ohio except the ones that contain major cities are +90% white. Cleveland is where most of the minorities are, then Cincy. Columbus, the Capitol, is 70% white and that’s “diverse” in our neck of the woods.

        31. I will bet $$$ your daughter dates an Indian or Asian while in college. Pretending this shit doesn’t happen is like an ostrich sticking it’s head in the ground.
          This “It couldn’t happen here. Not no way, not no how” attitude is not going to work.

        32. Right? It’s basic logic and easily born out by observational evidence.

        34. EXCEPT while in Minnesota I did not see any white females with Somali men. I did, however, see them with Vietnamese looking Asian males, Indian males, and Arab? males…

        35. This side of the pond not even Indian girls date Indian guys, unless they can possibly help it! The SMV hierarchy still exists…

        36. Minnesota was populated by Scandis correct? They seem to suffer the same self-loathing the ones on this side of pond have.

        37. Every race seems to think something similar about the other sides of humanity except for Hispanics. Everyone can tell a Puerto Rican from a Mexican.

        38. And that entire state is Democrat central. Using it as an example of the “midwest” is absurd. And he knows it.

        39. Have seen some out in Chicago. Might even be more Muslim guys. Seen one or two with their white girlfriends holding hands but they were all about college age. Seen black guys do similar with white girlfriends as well. Seeing it alone may just be that it is unusual so it stands out but it isn’t as if every couple looks that way.

        41. No. What I find “absurd” is referring to a state that is basically part of New England and is next door to a state settled by Quakers 300+ years ago as the “Midwest.”

        42. Two things you don’t do to a man: insult his mother and insult his daughter. GOJ perceived your comment as an insult to his daughter. Learn from it.

        43. I am conventionally attractive and I am nearly never alone.

        44. Black and white, yeah, no question. The Indian types here are never with white girls that I’ve ever, ever seen. I mean it may happen somewhere, but it’s not this huge “They only want Sandeep!” thing that blue-ribbon here seems to believe.
          My guess is that some Asian guy poached his last girl friend out from under him. He walked in on them as he was egg rolling her, and it threw blue-ribbon off of his sanity. Now he can’t accept that he failed, so he makes up this fantasy world to excuse himself from taking actions for self improvement.
          He’s really getting on my last nerve with this constant, always repeated and spammed delusion.

        45. nah, mother is ok to insult if the insult is in the form of “yo mamma so…..” But daughter always crosses the line.

        46. For every white female with a non-white male, some white male is going without any female companionship. It’s a zero sum game and we know black and Arab fathers sure don’t let their daughters date white males.

        48. No way! That is priceless! Maybe there is a pocket space where Pabst comes from and only sees everything you don’t?

        49. True, but pretty sure Petruccio meant *serious* insults not that kind of humour, which pretty much everyone finds funny!

        50. No. But keep spinning your fantasies.
          GoJ’s daughter getting the kama sutra treatment in 3.2.1 …

        51. That’s priceless! Something similar may have happened to me but my thinking is always you can’t get poached on some broad you didn’t really want. If you weren’t ecstatic about her you didn’t want her. Let her have the wontons. She’ll only be hungry in an hour anyway.

        53. you also make what? $300k a year? Your experiences are as extrapolatable as an actor’s … *your results may vary disclaimer*

        54. “Everyone can tell a Puerto Rican from a Mexican.”
          I grew up in a mixed neighborhood and would say that is true.
          After spending some time in Asia of course, it became apparent the differences between a Korean, Japanese, Thai, Chinese, etc… it just took some time to build experience and observations.

        55. He’s a pussy and a coward and hides behind his keyboard and also hides from life. Some Asian guy did something really bad to him is the only explanation. He knows he’ll never have to stare me in the eyes so he acts like a jackass.

        56. Not only lives that close but *turns down* the opportunity to learn from a master!
          …. shakes head, turns around, walks away….

        60. Wasn’t my intent but the “muh aryan princess” schtick is over the top and he will rue all his bluster when she dates a Paki in college.

        61. True, a natural positive attitude attracts positive people, while the negative is also true. The MGTOW’s feed off each other’s pity party. Kersey, PJClarke and others are like that.

        62. Granted I have not been on college campuses since about 2007 and not in any full time capacity since 2004 so what goes on on a modern campus is totally foreign to me….however, what goes on in the streets of new york, the parks, the beaches, the bars and clubs, the restaurants, coffee shops, subways, bike paths, gyms and every other manner of social institution is totally contrary to anything i’ve seen WP talk about

        66. No asian male did anything to me. I just have eyes and observe things around me. Asian males have it the BEST and all these white males high fiving each other and thinking Ping Pong is sitting home alone with his body pillow is really sickening in its delusion.

        68. Exactly. If I fail at something, I want to know what *I* did wrong, so that I can fix the issue and not have it happen again. The last thing I’d ever do is try to excuse my own failings, because that just means I’m going to have it happen again and that I’m weak. Denial of error in oneself is weakness.

        70. Saw an asian girl with a well built, shorter white guy this morning. Made me think of you!

        71. Maybe, but that is what happens when the dating numbers are similar and the stakes have been driven up. Between marrying to have a high quality family, women being shamed for not having kids while married, having to marry some other slags baby mother, or having to have an ‘educated’ woman, the stakes have changed and family aspects are more grievous to attain. Doesn’t make them impossible. A nineteen year old I was supposed to bang out last year is now married this year. Things are always open to change. Looking too much at the end results and potential causes have reduced your ability to create the love life you want. You’re supposed to be getting sex so often you’re confused why others aren’t getting laid, not being near Incel yourself.

        74. Yes. We create our own reality by our attitudes.

        76. Exactly. Correct the error or be doomed to repeat it. Always sound advice GOJ.

        77. Have you taken a bicycle and just gone around central park? Sat in a coffee shop? Gone for a walk in Carl Schurz, taken a subway and just smiled and said hello to someone? I get the sense that your failure is directly related to the chip on your shoulder which grows with each subsequent failure in a never ending cycle of negative reinforcement. Go head down to DTUT on 92nd. Great little cafe. Good coffee. They play cool music. Take a book, get some coffee or a drink (they have really good happy hour there), sit on one of the sofas….hell, they have movie nights, book clubs, game nights….all young people….go smile a little and talk. I would be you my experiences are absolutely extrapolatable.

        79. I have. red haired of german extraction married an indian fella.

        81. That’s what really gets me. He has a golden opportunity to actually improve his failures and excel at life again, but he’s gotten way too accustomed and *comfortable* in his pity part that he won’t give it up. A self defeating attitude that will only breed more pity parties, like a vicious cycle that never ends. And he can break it by this evening if he met up with lolknee. It’s truly pathetic.

        82. I’ll be in NY next week so just soaking up all these hunting grounds. Need to blitzkreig the place.

        85. Oh man, new term coined. I’m lifting that right the hell away from you and will use it shamelessly from now on without ever once giving you credit. Hindude. Heh.

        89. I know he’s cheesy, but heard Tony Robbins describe this as ‘Learned Helplessness’

        92. My oldest brother is a shining example. He was picked on in grade school, developed a pessimistic attitude, carries it today. Smart guy, dropped out of Computer Science his Senior year, now works at Walmart. 3 divorces.

        93. Ny is a great place for it…best really. My blitzkreiging days are over. Now I use the uncommon technique of just smiling and walking up to girls in the park or at restaurants and saying “hello”

        95. It’s spreading through the UK now as we speak! again, without attribution!

        96. Goddamn……computer science to Walmart…my God…
          Guess 3 divorces still means he did some things right between dropping out and Walmart.

        97. not everything women say is wrong. IN fact, if you can get them to just be honest they have incredibly high social IQs and can usually read you like a book and explain what it is you are doing wrong….in terms of social interaction….very quickly.

        98. shit…..
          you’re ruinning another of my escapist fantasies….
          Guess I’ll have to settle for Ohio…

        99. 3 divorces? Ok, i get getting married and divorced. I even KIND OF get giving it a second try. But after two divorces, who in gods name thinks the third time is the charm?

        103. I can (obviously) see getting married once. But after that, this whole “triumph of hope over experience” thing, not my cup of tea. One and done.

        104. You really need to take a step back man
          Only keyboard warriors act like you
          Usually i dont entertain trolls
          Really dont have the time
          Given that I “only have 66 comments”
          I dont feel the need to spew bullshit all the time
          Really gets old after a while
          Learn to bring something meaningful
          For now, just wait
          Unvexed by your boyish games
          Calm down bro, you dont have to
          Keep acting tough, but
          Still
          Are you ready
          See I dont need to entertain you
          In the least bit
          And guess what?
          Now I am the troll
          Come now and look back
          Over every letter of each line
          Circle back to see the truth
          Keep calm and carry on Pabst

        108. Funny how that works isn’t it? So freaking easy, yet so elusive for so many men.

        112. There is already assured destruction of the Matrix, since you bought a cell phone. Now it’s only a question of when, not if.

        113. Facts. They would rather go white or black from experience. Indian guys rather go white or Asian. Or at least that seems the case most times.

        115. In Astoria on Broadway right near Steinway St. there is a funeral home called Thomas M Quinn & Sons Dignity Memorial Funeral Home. Directly under the sign that says “Dignity Memorial Funeral Home” there is a small brass plaque that says “Weight Watchers” It would seem they rent a room to them for their meetings. I am not even going to comment. I will just let that sit while you absorb the nearly 50 ways that that is hilarious.

        117. *boom*
          You just sunk his battleship.

        119. I’m just marveling at your catalogue of youtube responses/references.
          Now if you could only focus that kind of energy onto correcting your attitude!

        125. “..go smile a little and talk.”
          Thats it. Reveal that you are approachable and you will get results. The other weekend, I was sitting in Madrid (business) at a sidewalk tapas bar and watching the women go by. Caught a few womens eyes and got some smiles and a couple of waves. This for a guy who looks like a gray haired Clark Kent with a wedding band.
          I was enjoying the flirting until a 30 something Japanese woman stopped dead in her tracks and continued looking at me and I thought, “Ah no…she is going to approach.” She thought it over and then continued on. It was fun, but I wasn’t looking.

        126. Minnesota has always been pretty leftist, since the 1960’s at least. And now it’s invaded by Somalis so, basically, it’s dead to me.

        129. Absolutely my observation!
          Happily and readily confirmed by the Indian girls I’ve dated too…

        133. I know of a guy on his 6th marriage. He pays just under a million dollars a year in alimony and child support.

        134. Oh my god. Genius level here folks. Genius level. Fucking 10/10 trolling. Out-fucking-standing!

        139. Actually I’ve never been with a white woman: Asian and Jewish women but never technically a white woman. So don’t see how they could have been poached by an Asian.

        143. you know pabst, if you have been spending time with jewish women i can almost justify about 20% of your insanity.

        145. Whoa!!!! Wait a minute! Mister miscegenation has only miscegenated?? You mean I been with more white women than you? Mind blown today.

        152. Have a friend in his 40s who is on his 3rd Marriage. It has brought him his family so there is hope, if you are smart and learn from your mistakes.

        153. I think you could probably walk into a denny’s at 10 am while he ate a grand slam breakfast, pull out a handgun, shoot him in the head in front of about 50 witnesses and get off scott free by claiming it was a mercy killing.

        154. ouch……I am on my first marriage, and I don’t know if I would go for another if this ended up badly.

        157. You’re so smug but if you were more observant you would have noticed there’s a conspicuous lack of Asian male readership / commenters on sites like RoK. Hmmmmmm … seems like Asian males don’t have to scratch their heads over how to meet girls or game girls and can instead get on with their education and careers instead of writing volumes on how to deal with their defective female cohort.

        162. You……have a point. There aren’t many known Asian commentators on RoK.

        165. I’m afraid the bit about being kind and caring may be a bridge too far for the animals like us here at ROK. The rest is easy 😀

        167. Seems kinda strange doesn’t it? Not a single one. There was one guy Terry something years ago but we was married.

        174. Any state that wouldn’t vote for Reagan at the height of his glory was automatically communist in my book.

        175. Reagan was an opportunistic turn coat who was a dyed in the wool Leftist until he was middle aged.

        176. Replying simply to bask in the historical moment where you’re the first to use ‘Hindude’ on ROK.

        178. Damn. He would be better off riding in the back of convertable throwing money out to pedistrians.

        183. See: that’s what I mean. This smug white conceit that Asian males have low T, can’t get girls, aren’t interested in girls etc belies the fact that Asian males are killing it nowadays. I seldom see an Asian male without a girl friend or wife on his arm.

        185. Is he referring to the British concept of “Asian” or the general concept of “Asian”?

        186. Dude, you know what I look like in real life. How did you NOT know that I am from Laos?

        189. I remember him. Terry the Unequalist or something to that effect. He was married as well. Only know one Asian male who isn’t married come to think of it. Maybe two max.

        191. I’d have to be stalking this dude around like 24/7 and *really* closely to make that happen, heh.

        193. I’d say because they almost universally mate within their own (like jews and/or penguins) they dont have to “learn” anything! Mates are simply made avaiable within the culture.

        195. Yeah, I think the words “arranged marriage” kind of negate a need for “Game”.

        196. That is certainly part of it: asian women are very loyal to their men, unlike Western (white) women.

        201. Not sure but he was one of my favorite commentators. Just seemed to stop posting somewhere near the ROK meet-up. Always wondered if his profile picture was of him.

        202. I’ve told him before that when (not if, we all know its when) he divorces #6, he should just pay me a couple hundred thousand a year to follow him around and make sure he never ever ever gets married again…. I’ll save him a ton of money and hassle.

        204. He’s a big scary ass motherfucker, so yeah, I need to play it safe.

        206. Yep. Reagan was making really right wing conservative speeches even prior to his governorship, back in the 1960’s.

        207. maybe third… rohypnol
          hmmmm.. then there are the RoK articles on folding knives….
          we can definitely say “top five”

        208. Definitely General concept. No one ever addresses the whole Asiatic terrain unless if they are talking about places to sleep with women while traveling.

        209. probably. maybe that freaked him out. can only speculate at this juncture…

        210. Half white half Asian here. Working and living in Asia too. Masculine characteristics are fairly uniform across cultures from what I’ve experienced and observed. Game principles and frame control is still required to navigate the treacherous sea lanes of female colonies out here, my friend.

        211. Dont talk like that of the DNC: there are a lot fat, depressive soon to be lesbians out there. Truly a pussy paradise!

        214. An opportunity to apprentice with the Kneeman himself. Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth.

        217. Ever see the movie Bedazzled? Great scene where Brendan Frazier does a deal with the devil, gets his wish to become rich and successful sports star…..with an itty bitty teeny weeny cock….

        218. “Hey, Dean Martin just asked me if I wanted to hang around with him and the Rat Pack and get in on their movies and Vegas routines. I figure, nah, fuck it, no need to. Oh, and life sucks, I really wish I could be in movies and Vegas routines…”

        219. Good lord man go ride a bike, take a walk, go hang out at a cafe. You are too depressing. Why don’t you get a hobby such as putting together model ships.

        223. yup! like The Champion says, I’ve learnt more from him just by chatting in the comments section! even in subjects I’m considered clued up on! I guess some people are just determined to stay stuck in their own self-created little hells…

        224. I wonder if I could really make a career out of it. Like a reverse wingman.

        225. He reminds me of the people in my bible study group. They always look so defeated and depressed and it’s honestly starting to bug me. I think my patience with the whole self defeat mentality is diminishing every day

        226. If you find a chick who digs model ships… marry that ugly bitch and you’ll be a billionaire in no time.

        227. I have a particular friend who would excel at that position. Drives away women faster than a cowboy with a bullwhip.

        228. Same here. I can’t tell you how many times a number of the Kneeman’s insight and commentary has found positive use in my own approach to life. I’d consider it a huge privilege if I encountered the Knee and Ghost one afternoon.

        229. “No, Dean, I don’t want to hang out with you and learn to fuck chicks like Marilyn Monroe… you see, Sammy Davis Jr has already bagged all the hot chicks so there’ just no hope.”

        231. Don’t get me wrong. I am content with my marriage and we are talking hypothetical as if the wife were out of the picture. The amount of time it took to find a good woman and the amout of effort it takes to keep a marraige together….no way. I am coming up on a half century mark and simply have other things I want to do. The kids would be the priority in any case until they are on their own feet.

        232. There is nugget of truth in my asinine remark here:
          The interestED man is the interestING man. Women respond to enthusiasm and expertise in things.

        233. “Guess I’ll have to settle for Ohio” has the same ring to it as “Guess I’ll have to settle for the 19 year old Jessica Alba”.

        234. That’s why I have I heard time taking a lot of these pro white gays seriously. They tend to be childless or promote families with Asian and/or Latina women

        236. These 1958 girls ONLY want black Jewish men! You can’t find a white woman who is NOT holding hands with a black Jewish man!

        237. Waldemar has a point. East Asian and Indian guys have increased their general status globally, including America, due to their ability to gain resources, and due to K-pop and Mandarin pop as well as India’s general increase of wealth.
          Sure Indians are not on the top of the racial hierarchy, but a relatively tall and in shape Indian engineer who dress well can get both white, Asian and Middle Eastern puss. Indian guys’ faces often look like those of white men but with brown skin and can even bring an exotic factor that some like.

        238. Exactly. Females can get away with that rationalization shit. Men don’t get to do that.
          Having an old school British education system Dad drill that principle into me was never fun as a boy but made a helluva lot of sense later.

        239. Very true, too much investment already. I am just hypothesizing on the “if she gets hit by a bus” scenario.

        240. Nah, you don’t want to drive off all women, you want the man to have a good time. You just want to make sure he is moving on to the next piece of ass every few weeks and not getting married to one or moving one into his pool house or whatever.

        241. It is a scientific fact, Asians tend to have less T in their system. Acknowledgement of differences is not racism.

        245. It’s really that simple, isn’t it? Just taking ownership and deciding to allow for genuine joy at life. Getting out there and seizing the day. The getting with girls bit tends to come together quite nicely once the ownership bit becomes habit I find.

        247. hahahah.
          Yeah the Great Irony is that I didn’t figure this out until I’d been married for years!

        248. It really is. Look, in the end, after all is said and done, after you read your articles on game and work on your pick up lines etc……the real truth is that women, like men, want to have a nice time and if you are having a lot of fun they will want to be around that.
          No one ever walks by a brooding miserable sack of shit and says “boy, not that is the kind of energy i want” but go toss a football around a park or beach and really enjoy yourself and sooner or later you will be teaching girls how to throw a spiral

        249. There are several single mothers I know of, not sure if that is what you would want though.

        251. If we argue for budget and costing, perhaps the ‘hello’ approach would easily pass management approval. Playing devil’s advocate.

        253. The brooding miserable sack of shit approach (or “mope game” as I call it) can be effective for some, but it attracts the worst sort of basket-case females…You get the like-minded cutters, the ‘I can SAVE him’ set, the ‘this’ll REALLY piss off my parents’ crowd…..

        254. Take a field trip to the East Side of Cleveland. Indian men 20-35y/o are just crushing it here with ladies from all walks of life. Looks like their moment to shine.

        257. I can let you have Asietic, for the upcoming rise of Asian Jews. Get it before Pabst takes it.

        258. It’s worth a look, just for Elizabeth Hurley in skin tight leather alone! Forgotten movie but full of red pill wisdom. The devil has all the best tunes after all…….

        262. Worked for my Dad- he and v3.0 have been together 26 years…but yeah, NOT the norm.

        263. Enough people in the world that there are always exceptions to a rule and some people may figure it out, but wow….it would take balls of steel to step into number three.

        264. I knew many Indian grad students in college. All smart and generally likable.
          There was this one guy who fit your description, although he was mainly nailing the latina chicks, witha couple of 6ish white girls too. From northern India… The only Indian man I’ve ever met with game.
          And he looked ‘exotic’ == IE white guy with brown skin and had some muscles.
          He killed it.

        265. Bullshit. East side of cleveland is ALL black gangbangers. Unless your talking about 1 particular cell phone kiosk.

        267. Hahaha
          Thats a great name for an ebook. “Brooding miserable sack of shit approach to women.” Id buy it for coffee table reading.

        269. Every asian chick i fucked was super fucking tight. Thats why a white man with an asian woman is the most common inter racial marriage in the country and the world.

        271. It’s because humans recognize each other based on the difference between the new face and those you are most familiar with. The biggest differences are noticed first (race), but it takes familiarity before your brain really kicks in to the small differences that let you immediately recognize individuals. Similarly, it’s hard to recognize individuals from other species if you don’t spend much time around them. Every pigeon looks like every other pigeon, every rat like every other rat.

        278. “I am Laotian”
          …
          “I know you come from across the ocean, but are you Chinese or Japanese?”

        285. Last I could tell, those folks are blacks in that part of the city?

        286. It’s all part and parcel with honesty. If you can’t be honest with yourself, you can’t be honest with others. An honest man recognizes his mistake and then doesn’t make it worse by inventing new “realities” (excuses) so that he doesn’t have to correct the problem.

        287. Won’t need to. As long as you keep her away from the knives and garden hedgecutters when she’s mad 😀

        289. I think you just started the first RoK dictionary with the very first entry – Hindude

        290. Well, you’ve been coming across as too negative. Even Roosh called you out. Now you have some accomplishments in the RoK community; you’e written at least one or two articles. I wish I could make that claim. It sounds to me like your work hours are doing you in. Not sure if you’re self-emplyed or a slave to someone else. Been there, done that, quit a miserable cock-blocking job with 55+ hrs per week, six days per week, in at 0600.
          Keep your emotions in check. Before I found RoK, I bitched a lot about life and shitty women in America. Some of my unhappiness was self-inflicted, some of it was poor reactions to our decaying culture.

        291. Same! I’m not really into Asian women the way some guys are, but the experiences I have had were pretty amazing. Super fucking tight and usually really suggestible, eager to please (maybe that’s just my luck). It’s just a shame that most Asian chicks have such small tits!

        1. She’s always been a huge fan of the high end masculine types. Many times I’ve heard from her how she hates how most of the boys her age are such wimps.

    3. Women always say “it will happen” because they’re constantly on the recieving end of beta neediness. For those girls, it will happen.

    4. 50 percent of slim guys in suits would look as attractive as this actor. Your argument is invalid.

  5. Last week i saw this video (this is the first part of 3 videos) that offer some heavy empirical evidences, that say that looks do matter. Are they the only thing that matters for a women? I do not think so, but they do have a decisive role to play. A red pill truth related to this? Only good looking men can afford to be assholes and be loved by women, for it.

    1. Looks are a bonus that opens the door that ugly/average guys don’t have. But if you only have looks and stutter like a nimrod, guess what, no nooky for you.

        2. I actually like “Break Stuff”. Good pre-workout song to pump myself up with.

        4. hes always referring that that nu metal stuff. Queens of the Stone Age fella! still around, started out in the late 90s too!

        6. If you’re actually mad, it can be pretty cathartic.

      2. I believe that is what Troy is defending in his post. But let us not fool ourselves: women will not fuck a men that as the minimal genetic goods.

        1. Minimal? Ok, that’s probably true. But an average guy who can spit game is leagues ahead of a good looking guy who acts like an omega.

        2. “But an average guy who can spit game is leagues ahead of a good looking guy who acts like an omega.”
          Is it?
          In the video, a fake profile is created with pictures of a male model. The guy says the most omega and creepy things, and still gets women want to date him and fuck him. Or, that just works on line?

        3. Yes, it is.
          Looks get you in the door. An online profile with good looks *gets you in the door*. You show up for that date and talk like a dweeb and stutter and are nervous and out you go. Every single time.

        4. Exactly. The goals of a sperg is to say as little as possible before the lady sleeps with him. Always. Pretty much also guarantees he won’t have access to that lady by the end of the month even.

        5. Knew a guy who was short and ugly, pulled tail like nobody’s business. But he was funny as hell with a no fucks given attitude. Always up for adventure and a lot of girls liked that.

        6. The thing with attraction is that is not a precise formula. Yes, that can be true, and i also know many ugly bastards that have a lot of success with women, but, with so many to choose, a women will chose the good looking guy most of the times. In fact, is not Game, a reaction to this? To the 20% of high placed men getting all the pussy and the others jerking off to hentai?

    2. One thing I noticed after watching this is that he used male models. Troy did mention that if you have model looks you don’t need game and this video proved that. Shit their job is getting paid to look good. 95% of us are not models. So this vid really doesn’t tell us anything we don’t know already. Still interesting to see he can be a total ass and still get numbers lol. I guess looks are extremely powerful.

      1. ” guess looks are extremely powerful.” You guess accurately. Looks are key in getting pussy, not definitive but a good looking guy with average game will win over a ugly motherfucker with stellar game any time. Thats my belief.

  6. Once again Troy is on point. Well done. And nice to see yet another in a series of great articles. This week has been a high point for ROK

    1. Thumbs up for all the positive articles and self-development!
      Paranoia and (((end-of-the-world))) stuff? not so much!

    2. Yup, the doom and gloom stuff was irritating. Especially since it seems to bring out the worst in people.

  7. You could be Ryan Gosling dressed to the nines, and provided you weren’t famous, you wouldn’t have any women approaching you. If he were somewhat shy and timid he would be getting next to no action as well.
    Looks just matter (and make things easier) up to the point on whether you get that ‘Yes’ swipe on Tinder by 2010’s standards. It’s still all up to you from there.

  8. In my view, the most important thing is manliness. As you said, confident and cocky. An air of mystery.
    I can definitely confirm the hypothesis that simply being good looking is not enough. Women are complicated creatures and what they want in a man changes with their mood.
    What I find works is cockiness as you suggest but also the suggestion that you have something that they value…. Wealth, strength, intellect… It depends on the moment and the woman.

    1. I like that. This makes are lot more sense than memorizing complex game theories and canned openers.

      1. Yeah I have never used those game techniques in my life. I just approach, open my mouth and speak. The only canned response I have is a “fuck you” and a middle finger if the bitch is rude.

    2. “I can definitely confirm the hypothesis that simply being good looking is not enough. Women are complicated creatures and what they want in a man changes with their mood.”
      True words. I’ll remember them.
      By the way, in regards to that altercation we had regarding video games(if you still remember), I apologize for coming out so crass. In my defense, I was having a bad week when you replied to me.

      1. It’s all good brother. We’re all very passionate here and sometimes things get heated. For my part, I apologise for any offence given.

        6. What is the difference between a prostitute and an onion? I cry when I cut up an onion!

    3. Agreed. A meta combination of manly characteristics. Plenty of time tested truths from times past when men were men.. And never take advice from women in this regard.

        1. He’s just trolling for attention now. I put him on “I’m ignoring his post” mental block (but not Disqus block).

        1. I challenge that. sure, some may have gotten old, but the majority chose trophy wives.

        4. Evan Spiegel (founder of Snapchat) married some 30 something bitch who has a kid by Orlando Bloom.

        7. I submit that most billionaires actually got to be billionaires because the have ugly wives.

        9. That’s one possibility. The other is “Fuck, I married an ugly broad. I need to get rich so I can get hot mistresses”.

        13. I have seen hot chicks transform into hags between 20 and 30. It’s remarkable. So a billionaire with an ugly wife probably hadn’t checked out the mother first.

        14. I think Zuckerberg’s started out homely though. But what you say is generally right.

        15. More like he’s gives zero shits about women and their bullshit. He doesn’t put up with their high maintenance shit, focuses only on his own goals and objectives, doesn’t spend any money on them at all, never listens to their shit or whining… he never wastes an ounce of his energy or focus on them, so all he is doing is getting shit done and making money.
          That ugly bitch is just glad to be there, married and living in a mansion, riding around in a limo. He could fuck 16 swimsuit models right in front of her face and she’d be like, “Hey, great job, honey. Matlock is on in 15 minutes. Want a back rub?”

        18. I can see how one can think that the worse a wife is the more successful the husband will be….just to stay out of the house. IT will be like that time I got an A in astronomy because i was avoiding history homework,

        19. Yeah. There was a girl I posted a picture to you a while back who I was all happy about getting with Day Game. Not even 30 yet and her face is a shell of what it was. Full on leather face with lines drawn from her eyes to her chin. Must have been some unruly combination of drugs, alcohol, and carousel time for sure.

        20. “Full on leather face with lines drawn from her eyes to her chin.”
          Seen that type before. Usually years of clubbing, booze, cigarettes and not enough vitamin D (sunlight).

        21. What gets me is she was so hot at 24. As in I would have locked her away and kept her pregnant for 8 years hot. It’s a shame I didn’t make a bigger push to do so.

        24. I recall. The funny thing about some of these chicks is that they don’t realise that they’ve already gone from a dime to a nickel and they still act entitled.

        25. Yeah, and then at some point she realizes she can take up with the pool boy or her fitness consultant and still demand to be kept ‘in the style to which she’d been accustomed to by marriage’. Divorce, cash out, still live large…

      2. word. Han about to be dipped in Carbonite
        Leia: I love you
        Han: I know

        2. From Russia With Love
          TANIA: “I love you, I love you, it’s true!”
          BOND: “Sure”

        5. Mixing our films up here…we might get:
          TANIA: I love you, I love you, it’s true!
          JACK REACHER: I mean to beat you to death, and drink your blood from a boot.

        6. It’s a classic scene. He is deadpan when he says it and seems rather bored. It’s fantastic.

        7. I need to start seeing films. I’m guessing only movies before 1980 are worth watching.

        8. Eh, I think decent flicks were still being made in the 1990’s but that was about the end of it. Now we get a decent movie once every two years or so, tops.

        9. all the Connery ones, the excellent Lazenby one and most of the Moore ones (though mostly for funny kitsch value) are worth watching…after that you can pretty much skip it up until Daniel Craig imo

        10. I’ll skip Craig, if you don’t mind. Watching his balls getting smashed was scarring.

        11. That would only work to turn her on more.

        13. Dalton was the one who played the character closest to Ian Flemming’s literary version. I think he did an admirable job, but the whole 80’s feel to it just strikes me wrong.

        14. Maryam d’Abo is the best reason to watch The Living Daylights, for me.
          I always found the Dalton Bond overly emotional, bordering on overwrought at times. I like the idea of Bond as a man of clear conviction and sense of duty, but with a murky read on his own inner life.

        15. For me it was the part where he was in the wheelchair afterward. The swelling must have been quite something…

        16. Dalton was WAY overly emo but if you read the books dalton was playing the character that flemming wrote who was also a bit of an emo pussy. The awesome strutting humorous bond everyone knows and loves is actually all Connery. If you just were to read the books it is like 30 books of dalton

        17. Every character everybody likes in every movie is always played by Connery. They can cast Connery as a waste disposal engineer, and he’d be the best and most memorable character in the film.

        18. It is true. However, more than that — with bond the archtype bond that was played 100% by Lazenby and Moore and to a lesser extent everyone else with exception of Dalton was pretty much invented by Connery whereas the source material word for word reads just like Dalton. Everyone likes Connery, but i think people forget just how much of a genius he is at character creation rather than just script reading.

        20. We can do better than that…after all Jefferson was quoting “From Russia with Love”

        22. Yeah, that gets me the most about the character. He’s supposed to be, what, 6’5″, and Little Tommy is 5’7″ in heels. He and Mark Wahlberg, playing tough guys. If you stood both of them end to end, they’d make a nice decorative toilet plunger…

    7. As much as I hate to say it , with the younger crowd of women (23 and younger ) , style and good looks (often feminine good looks) are more important than manliness. Manliness can often backfire in fact. After discovering RoK I went through a process where I was trying to make myself as old school manly as possible. Now many women my age are intimidated by me and my mature speech. On the other hand I’ve pulled one very hot 24 year old woman who found it very cute how mature I was for my age. I was 19 at the time. And I almost banged a hot 26 year old single mum who found my manliness very sexy , buy screwed at the last moment. Anyway, I’d never sacrifice my manliness to get more bitches.

      1. Where do you live (in general, not specific)? I don’t see that at all, I’m a really tall, well built, traditionally masculine man and get lots of IOI’s and hits from really young girls. Maybe it’s something else that you’re doing that intimidates them? Are you naturally at ease, charming, quick with a joke or witty story, all that?

        1. I live in a mid-sized German City. I believe you that you get hit by young girls , but you are actually an older man acting as an older man so it suits you. It’s the man their who these women expect to be less manly and more boyish.
          “Are you naturally at ease, charming, quick with a joke or witty story, all that?”
          Naturally I’m introverted but it depends on my mood and state of mind mostly. I’ve gone through some major depression issues lately and I’ve gotten very introverted.

        2. Lolknee mentions it below, that women are VERY good at emotional intelligence. Maybe that’s what’s putting them off, they’re getting a read on your issues that you don’t know you’re signaling to them?

        4. YES – they can sniff that shit out from a mile away and it does NOT smell good…

        5. It’s a mix of all these things GoJ. My depression is of course the biggest turn off to them. But from what I see , especially in the universitary area where I spend most of my day , feminine good looking men with boyish style which you would call fags , walk hand to hand with the hottest women. No shit.

        7. Right, I don’t doubt you. But others here from Germany have noted that this seems to be a thing in Germany only as of late. I feel for you man, I do. Here you can use “I carry a gun while I ride my motorcycle” game and get women openly rubbing their pussies in front of you.

        8. Yeah and you finally realise how nobody in this world except maybe your parents , gives a fuck about you in tough times. Especially women.

        9. I guess everywhere is like this now , expect where you live , which is like an oasis in the West. There is nothing more emasculating than being a man in Western Europe right now. I hope someday I will make to the deepest red state in the US and have my farm and my guns and tell the government to fuck off. Either that or I’ll try to duplicate this lifestyle in my home country.

        10. Outside of a few blue states, it’s like this in most of America, generally. Obviously regional differences, but even then, whatever defines masculine in those regions is the goto solution (money, property, status, whatever).

        11. He isn’t kidding about Germany and I wouldn’t bother dating here if I were young and single again. Was driving back from Colgne on Monday and stopped to tank up and grab a burger. A bus load of high school aged German kids piled out– yikes! Noodle arms, tattoos and colored hair every where. Complete shit show.

        12. Now I’m hankering to visit just to see this in action. Kind of sad to hear though.

        14. Door is always open brother. We have the room.
          July is a go. Will drop you a line.

        15. Oh, fantastic about July, will be great!

        17. My email is in my profile, if you hover over ol’ Clark there you’ll see it.

        18. I’ll take y’all to the gun range and we can bust some caps.

        21. It’s everywhere mate. Don’t be too hard on them.
          Focus on getting your degree or if the degree is worthless, drop out and try doing an apprenticeship (eg. Installateur, Dachdecker, usw..) in the trades. The german “Handwerker” craft is recognized in a lot of places and you are young enough to emmigrate elswhere. Keep in mind your current state of affairs is temporary and it will get better as you improve yourself.

        24. I had a chance to do this in the most appropriate of places but unfortunately got cancelled. I did get one crack off of an AK47. The sound was louder than any thunder I have ever experienced especially with it echoing off of the valleys.
          Have fun dudes wish I could join ya!

      2. You can still score with a bunch of girls your own age if you can learn to speak your manliness through your actions and say it less with your words. Not sure what your age is though and am speaking as a guy in his thirties who has no real issues with building attraction with women 19-23.

        1. You’re in your thirties?!?! Is there no one who’s in his twenties, like me?
          Damn, I’m surrounded by electronic old men!

        3. How to properly wear ironic glasses.

        4. It feels so awkward being the odd one out! Like I’m a teen in an octogenarian’s reunion party.

        5. Hahaha!! To be fair, my biggest market are ladies from 21-26 and most of them just think I’m the same age or only a year or two older. Not many guys in their twenties who are self reflective enough to find solutions outside of themselves so you do have that going for you.

        6. I just thought a guy who’s a fan of Red Hood would be no more than 25, tops.

        7. As I mentioned below , it’s ok if you are in your thirties to act manly. It’s the 19-23 guys who these very same women expect to be boyish to not come across as “creepy”.

        8. Check my profile. It’s open. Been active since 2014 and liked the guy since his attitude and mannerisms were as contentious as my own. All this new “Red Hood” craze is baffling. They weren’t with me shooting in the gym when people were pressing auto-redial to kill “Jason Todd”.

        9. See, I don’t know about that either. My son is 20 and he has some of the hottest prime tail Viking Princesses I’ve seen in forever (his age). Dude owns two rifles and a pistol, lifts weights and has 0.0% femininity on display in his personality. Maybe it’s just a Germany thing (which may well be the case)?

        10. I like Red Hood. He’s better than that stuck-up, self-righteous, idealist, moralizing prick Batman, anyway.

        12. Blondes. And a strawberry blonde. All seem to be:
          a) petite
          b) stacked
          c) long hair down to ass level
          d) extremely hinterland beautiful
          e) charming and pleasant.
          Dude has it going on.

        15. One of them, at 19, *freaking cooks*. This last Christmas break she called and asked him if he wanted to do something. He said “Sure. Come over and bake me something” just all nonchalantly. Ten minutes later she was at the front door. I was standing right there when he said it. It was a glorious moment, lol.

        16. I’m just thankful that there are men here who are actually older than I am.

        18. Swear to Bob. Long blonde straight hair down to her ass, sparkling blue eyes, thin, large knockers, dresses very feminine and she says “sir” and “ma’am” to me and the wife. I think he had her dethawed from some cryogenic tank from the year 1952.

        19. All girls do all of that if they have the incentive. You can get a woman to cook food from your culture without knowing how to cook it yourself. All depends on how you carry yourself.

        23. I’m in my 20s I understand you. most of the guys who wear a suit everyday are looked at strangely. it doesn’t fit with the atmosphere. you gotta be like a cocky athletic frat boy to get the hot girls petite girls who want yo fuck, all the degenerate girls who will hit the wall in only 5 years bit right now are totally bangable. the masculinity is there but so is immaturity and clown game. but not all girls like that just most of the hot thin ones our age. plenty of shy girls, nerds and nice girls who are cute will like suit and traditional masculine thing but they may not put out on date 1. befriend some jock guys, let em know you are not a beta and get invited to frat parties. pussy everywhere

        24. Yeah, modern Batman is fucking garbage. I liked him more when he was just a guy dressed in a suit doing actual detective’s work. Now, every story seems to be a personal one, where we are reminded for the billionth time that his parents died when he was young and he was traumatized, where he has to moralize about why he doesn’t kill people amd defends his shitty idealism and just always come out as a hipocrite. Red Hood is a breath of fresh air compared to him. Nightwing had potential, but as is typical with DC lately, they botched him as well.

        25. As it happens, that is PRECISELY how I’m viewing her. “Hmmm, she will make some fine, fine grandchildren”.

        27. Neophyte 20-something, reporting.
          There are several of us, we came here to lurk and got sucked in fast.

        29. You don’t know the half of it. Take it from someone over 60, you don’t know shit until you are over 30.

        30. You are spot on about the 5 year wall point. I went to only one of my high school reunions, the fifth. The top hottest girls in high school had turned into fat pigs, usually were married, and had a crotch fruit or two. The shy girls, nerds and nice girls who were cute had blossomed into great looking and great acting women. I ran into one of these shy glasses wearing nerd girls the year before. I had gone with a bunch of friends home on leave to a strip joint on Payne avenue in St. Paul, called the Payne Reliever. She was the star attraction, the pocket H-bomb. Man had she hidden some assets under those bulky sweaters. I didn’t recognize her, but she spotted me right off. I had to go back and look her up in my year book to know who she had been.

        33. Does she also have that hard, bony, pointy thingy in her forehead….what’s it called…it escapes me.

      3. Not sure I agree. I’ve hit the gym hard recently and grew a beard (first time I’ve tried it), and girls <23 are responding more favorably to me than they have in years, without any new effort on my part. It is actually kind of shocking to me.

        1. Right? Girls randomly touching me, and I mean strangers in passing, is such a normal part of my life that I would notice if they *weren’t* doing it all the time.

        3. Hitting the gym is universally good with women. It’s the style and the way you handle yourself that these women prefer to be more boyish than manly , in men their age.

        4. I don’t discount what you are saying, at all. In high school, I had a friend with a noticeably effeminate appearance (but decisive, zfg attitude) that was the object of lust for girls literally everywhere he went. It was actually hard to spend any time with him, because he would be off with a new chick several days a week.
          I always thought of his appeal as training wheels. He was feminine enough to be recognizable to a girl and feel safe to them, but the masculine vibe was a rush and unlike anything in their world.
          If that isn’t naturally you, you can’t make that happen. But you can develop your manly edge.

        5. There is a fine line between having feminine looks and being boyish and comming across as faggy , which is also a major turn off to women regardless of ages.
          Yeah masculine edge , that’s what I want to master.

      4. I used to find the same thing when I was 19. I couldn’t get a girl my own age for blood or money but I dated a ton of women aged 24 to 33!

      5. As manly as I tried to be in high school, (and I think I was for my age), the girls I liked still went with older guys.
        Truth be told, a 35 year old guy’s masculine frame is going to be more genuine than that of a 22 year old. In general that is.
        Effortless success with the 19-23 year old crowd didn’t come to me when I was 19-24. It happened later as I approached my 30’s and after that.

    8. Confidence is paramount. Women have a finely tuned sense for a man’s confidence and it is directly wired to their tinglebox. You can pretend (fake it ’till you make it), but you’ve already been detected by the beta radar.

      1. confidence is simply not caring about losing the approval of that woman, which means you know you can always get another (either in sex or attention)

    9. Cockiness all day everyday. When she calls you an ass with a smile and a giggle…you know you are doing something right.

  9. True, but there is a point that does need to be mentioned. You definitely need to have a certain level of looks for your game to work. It’s fine to not necessarily be male model good looking but you have to make sure that you aren’t BAD looking.
    And that means keeping your body fat low, dressing in style, and maximizing your look in the ways you can. Fortunately for me that doesn’t take a lot of work (though I’m still not yet 30), but for others, it might.

  11. I was going through one of the roughest times in my life a couple of years ago. After working nights, trying to graduate college, and dealing with a lot of personal issues, my health was completely shot. I was not going to the gym, and was skinny fat. I think my hormones where out of wack also because I had very low libido. I felt like shit and was not looking my best.
    At this time I met a young, hot, tall, smart girl at work. She was even a lot taller than me. The only thing I had going for me was all the game principles I had learned throughout the years which I instinctually employed on every interaction I had with her. It also helped that she had knowledge of girls I had previously dated, so it gave me some social proof. Surprisingly, that is all I needed for this girl to catch very strong feelings for me, although it wasn’t easy because I think my personal situation at the moment made her shit test me even harder, but my game knowledge allowed me to navigate that. I didn’t even try to deliberately attract her, but after a while your interactions with women are automatically on game mode, specially with young cute girls. Ultimately, I didn’t push for more because I honestly was just focused on regaining my health and was waiting to be at my best. I don’t think my dick would’ve even gotten up if I took her to bed.

    1. Not sure if this comment warrants an upvote or a pity party more. Hopefully things have looked up since then I guess.

        1. You got any valuable stuff to contribute in regards to living life as a man, instead of commenting with music videos on every comment chain?

        4. Maybe if you familiarized yourself with American pop culture and history, you could better appreciate my references.

        5. Its not hard to understand the references, but they don’t add much value to the next man. But whatever, I guess you have to make some kind of use of your vast, useless knowledge of pop culture filling your brain bank. Maybe Jeopardy would give you a better return on your mental investment.

      2. Yea I’m a lot better now. Shit happens. I’m not trying to have people feel sorry for me though. I just wanna show another example of what game can do.

  12. Still no excuse to be an unshaven, skinny-fat-ass who can’t do a single pull-up.

      1. Yup, it is very much tied to ability. Guys who are the “skinny-fat-ass” will have less enjoyment in life on health reasons alone. Ever take some out of shape douche on some rigorous hike? They hate it, and they slow you down.

    4. A brand new and shiny term coined that will sweep the interwebs? Check
      A master’s level troll in hyku form with a hidden message? Check
      A reference to Perfect Strangers? Check.
      Mentions of an awesome website http://www.akingscastle.com ? Check.
      This thread is packed with epic awesomeness, brohan.

        1. You keep attacking my daughter. You are a man with no honor and no values. You are now permanently on my ignore list, little man.
          Good bye.

        2. You were the one applauding some n00b commentator for writing some dirty limerick about how “your girl fucks asian cock” (see above)
          and you wanna talk honor and values? Ha!

        7. shouldn’t be that hard as it is, i believe, currently the year of the cock,

        9. Wait I just finished my first year of college and the only cock i got was fried on a plate with mashed potatoes, have I been doing it wrong?

        10. On the contrary, you have been doing it right. Get serious commitment first. The carousel may be fun, same way getting into smoking crack would be fun. But it will ruin you. No self respecting guy wants to commit his life to a used up single mother or a high divorce risk “independent ” career girl.

  14. Women are attracted to guys with good looks because they view them as a fashion accessory, something they can wear on their arm that will make their friends jealous. Big money and big dick. That’s what they really want. Money and dick. If you have one, you don’t need the other. If you have both, you’re gonna be a busy guy.

      2. i have the money but a tiny dick. What i do is wrap the money around it though. Works like a charm

        5. Ladies tend to like the helmet and never ask questions once I show them the guns.

        6. No. But according to Mr. Smith, it’s just a effective. I wanted to post a link here, but it is NSFW. Google Jelqing if you want to know more.

        8. “Slow and steady wins the race” “The best things are worth waiting for” and all that wash.
          Edit: Too much info.

        9. I don’t even want to say the word “jelqing” out loud. Certainly not about to google it.

    2. Not being poor is requisite, but money really doesn’t play much of a role in the normal market, excepting for gold diggers and whores. Most women have no clue how much money I have.

      1. I typically agree with you, and I’m sure you have your own recipe for pulling women…but money (especially with a load of valuable skills) trumps everything. I have field-tested it. For example, I will spend time around women who are much younger than I am for a period of time. Some of them will express no interest – “He’s an older guy, probably ex-military, and he doesn’t say much – who cares.” Once they find out who I am (and there are no exceptions to this, based on my field tests), and what I have going for me, they do a complete 180. Suddenly, they’re slobbering to go out with me.
        If the red pill teaches us anything, it’s that women are hypergamous by nature, especially the good-looking ones. Which makes them all gold diggers and whores, when you boil it all down. Fickle as fuck by nature, and always looking for a better deal. You put an older guy with a shit-ton of income streams and a set of impressive skills in a room with 98 hot young dudes who are light years from having what the older guy has, and the best-looking women in that room will flirt with the 98 hot young dudes, and they will fuck a few of them, but they’ll be long-term scheming on the guy who has a shit-ton of income streams and impressive skills (no matter his age). Always. But hey there’s a lot of pussy out there, and there is more than one way to skin a car, so there’s plenty for everybody.

        1. I usually see social status, confidence, a funny easy going persona, and frame being the key ingredients. Obviously money doesn’t hurt and sometimes it adds to flair, but it’s not the end all be all for chicks here for whatever reason. That being said, you can still run Provider Beta Game (“I work a good job and am a nice man and would make a great father”) on many girls out in the rural area and have it work, so a lot of the “new rules” aren’t yet established yet.

        3. Power, yes. That’s it. If money is communicating power then yes, I can see that. But communicating power also has other forms. If you walk into a joint with an air of confidence and every single person there makes a bee line to come over and shake your hand and greet you, guess what, girls notice that immediately and want to be around you.

        4. I hear ya…but I still say it boils down to money and dick…or “Wallets and weinies”, as an ex of mine and her posse of girlfriends used to say. Charm is great, frame is great, wit is great, good looks are great – but money trumps all of it, with dick size (and sexual skills) being a fairly close second – and the rest of it is way down on their list of priorities.
          I mean we’re talking about a species that marries solely to divorce-rape, a species that has been known to fuck little boys for sport, and dogs for shits and giggles. There are no majorly cerebral thought-processes or deeply spiritual shit going on there…in the vast majority of cases.

        5. While I admit you can’t be poor, I’m going to have to politely agree to disagree. First because they don’t know you have a big dick, until they see that you have a big dick so that’s not really a go to opener (heh) and money, eh, I’ve never had to flash a wad of cash to attract tail, and it’s not like I’m out wearing the latest $4,000 tailored suit and covered in gold. Probably just a regional thing.

        6. I agree, it’s personal power. Achieved via self-indulgence to the exclusion of everything else. It screams “I don’t give a shit and I don’t need you.” Women are suckers for that kind of guy. In my opinion, it’s because they want to destroy him, but that’s another kettle of fish.

        7. You see, I have often thought that you and I see things the same way, we just express it differently. As an opener, yeah, you don’t flop your dick down on the bar and pull out a roll. (Heh – I have been known to pull out a roll but not for any particular female to see.) So they are attracted to whatever attracts them initially. Banter, grooming, frame, whatever. But my point is, they are all hypergamous and fickle as fuck. So down the road…down the road, not initially, if they find out a guy has a little extra going on, either in his pants, or in his wallet (or in his skill set), magically they are going to gravitate toward that guy. Actually, I find it pretty sickening, but I do exploit it. But they are all that way. God love ’em (nobody else will).

        9. I am not totally cynical – I want to make this clear. Snow White is indeed out there…but she’s blowing the Seven Dwarfs behind closed doors, while waiting on her Prince Charming.

  15. Looks aren’t really that important unless you are just really fucked up looking.

    1. the absolute extremes are always important…..like Young Brad Pitt doesn’t need to be charming and there is just nothing Rocky Dennis can do to help himself out. That said, two people who are on equal footing otherwise, tie goes to the better looking and the better looking will have an easier time meeting more people and having a larger pool to chose from

      1. Yes to a point but, having personality along with not being fat or dressing like a moron can carry one a long way.
        It’s probably easier for someone with natural good looks to be outgoing more than someone who has to work at it though that almost goes without saying.
        It’s like women- I’ve seen some that look really hot at first glance that men fall all over themselves to get but, when you take away the flash there’s not much left.
        If you have decent clothing and grooming, even if you aren’t the best looking cat on the block, you can still line up women.
        That pic up there with the fat guy and the blond though, that shit ain’t happening even if he’s rich and hung like a plow mule. That’s where we go back to the part about being fucked up looking, even if he loses weight it probably won’t matter because he’s still going to be fucked up looking. The only thing that can help that is a miracle and they are hard to come by.

      2. Exactly. All of us middle-grounders just need to do the best with our gifts then work on being interesting.

    2. Somehow I bet Steve Buscemi is a big hit with ladies *because* of his looks.

      2. Actors,musicians and famous people don’t count lol I bet Chum-Lee is knocking it down right and left.

        1. I think it mostly bragging rights for women. Bragging rights and a chance at money.

        2. Yes because Gene Simmons is one of the ugliest mo-fos I can think of right off and no one has ever seen a picture of him with an ugly woman.

        3. Buscemi is also legit kind of cool. Resovoir Dogs, Trees Lounge and Boardwalk Empire — I can see him being someone a girl would go for…maybe not someone they dream about late at night, but surely someone they go for.

        6. Plus he was an actual firefighter. I like him quite a bit actually.

        7. Didn’t know that. I have always thought that he had a certain understated cool about him.

        8. Yep, in NYC actually. After 9/11 he came back and did duty again with his old buddies.

    3. Overall health is. It shows personal ambition and self discipline. Most any guy can get in good enough shape to show they take care of themselves. Some fat ass or strung out junkie will find it nearly impossible to find quality women if they don’t have something else major to compensate.

  17. OT: Well Boys, I received an email from our friend Wally Pabst. It seems he was banned from ROK. He asked me to pass along a message to say goodbye to everyone and also to let Thales know that he would very much like to be on the receiving end of oral sex from him which seems odd as I am pretty sure thales isn’t an asian woman…but whatever, I thought I would pass along his farewell per his request.

    3. I really think that is a shame. Yes, he was snarky and spammed a lot, but he was decent. Too many characters get banned, and it will get boring.

        1. Feels like the French Revolution. Who is next to get their head on the chopping block?
          Edit: I have a pretty good idea.

    5. Pabst was way the hell out there sometimes but I kind liked listening to his BS. He’s kind of like that weird friend everybody has.

      1. I agree. If he could have reigned it in about 30% maybe

        1. I was just wondering what he said that was so bad as to warrant being banned? I’ve been busy lately and may have just missed something. All I’ve had time to do is skim over things and go.

        3. I think it is the sad sack stuff, but there were some personal attacks he made on GOJ which crossed a line of decency that even I uphold and I will be the first to admit that I am far from a decent sort.

    7. Hold on….his comments still exist below. He isn’t banned. Is he just voluntarily taking a break from ROK?

      1. His email to me said he was banned. More details I do not have.

        1. He probably felt the heat pointed at him. I would bet he will take a week or two off, then be back. Better he did that than to go all out ape like Kersey.

        2. Don’t be so hard on Kersey Jim….for god’s sake the man has AIDS

        7. Probably got banned. He was a little bitch but I quite enjoyed him being abused by everybody here. It was hilarious.I’m sure he will back with a new account and it won’t be difficult at all to spot him.

      1. I don’t remember which article but roosh did tell him straight up to stop the shennanigans.

        1. The bombardment of YouTube links in every thread was annoying, but I scrolled over most of his rants in any case. He’ll be back.

    9. He can blame me all he wants. But all I really tried to do was get him to stop posting 37 YouTube links in every thread because it made it hard to read the thread and screwed up Disqus. Yes, I was kind of a dick about it, but that’s just because I’m kind of a dick.
      And I formally decline the request for oral sex.

      1. I am only passing on his farewell and requests for oral sex lol

    10. What a pity. Let’s hope he comes back (under another Freikorps nickname).

  18. I am a decent looking guy and i can give you at least five examples of girls in the last year shooting me down, flaking, etc and then dating uglier, shorter dudes.
    In every case, based on my fb stalking, the dude had better social standing with her. Example: he worked with her, was a family friend, was buddies with all of her friends, classmates, etc whereas I was just some dude from a bar who got her number at some point.
    Thats why popularity is so damn important. Some of us can be the loan wolf who gets laid by that one chick whos in the mood right now… but most of us would benefit from strong social game. Absorb as many people into your circle as possible. And try to get absorbed into as many social circles as you can. Rapport is huge. Get here female friends, guy friends, sister, even her gay friends to think youre cool as soon as possible.

    1. I agree with almost everything you said except the part about hanging out with her fanny bandit friends lol

      1. You dont have to go play hide the sausage with them, but if they think youre cool. Ive had more than one homo hook me up with a chick.
        Im in southern california tho so its a cesspool here.

    2. So many ways to go here. My approach is the opposite. I have zero social standing. I avoid social hobnobbing like the plague. I am a lone wolf, and I work on myself to the exclusion of everything and everybody else. Women find that to be overpoweringly attractive. Which proves they’re crazy, because the girls you describe crave the socially acceptable dude, but at the same time, they crave the idealized self-made man who doesn’t give a fuck about them or anybody else. So yeah, they’re nuts. Dangle some glittery bait and they will swim up. Then you just have to get them into the boat. And then you’ll find out one of them isn’t any better than any other. So it goes…

      1. You havent gained popularity in your local watering holes? Im sure youd be hard to forget being the only dude stacking $800 in cash on the bar. Maybe thats your social circle?
        Btw id totally buy tickets to your seminar whenever youre ready to teach mainstream.

        1. I have gained notoriety with the females at local watering holes – many of the men at these joints have a feeling for me that borders on blind hatred, but I don’t blame them for that. So my “popularity” is very mixed, to put it in a nice way.
          Plus, I reject far more women than I ever bang. Part of it is due to my age, part of it is due to the fact I don’t trust the fucking cunts. And I get full-on come-ons from women who work or play at those watering holes, where they pull out all the stops and make a run for me. Whenever I reject them, they tend to get really pissy about it. So once again, my “popularity” is mixed…my notoriety is in place, however. Which is great for the times I pick up a prospect from one of those joints (makes it easy).
          I’ll outline some examples regarding what I’m talking about here – it isn’t all hearts, flowers and good times. At each watering hole I visit regularly, there is at least one hot girl there who bartends or waitresses. Bartenders and waitresses have regulars. Regulars are usually men. So I’ve got about six or seven places in Phoenix I frequent on a semi-regular basis. At each one of those places, at least one hot girl knows something about what I can bring to the table, because I made it a point of letting them know, so they would tell their girlfriends (which they always do). This brings me advance advertising. But the downside is the women who get vindictive when I reject them, and above all else, the men who get furious in some cases, who are regulars at these joints (or they work there) and they have a thing for the hot girls who know me. I’ve gotten some serious shit from many of these guys – usually when I walk into the joint after an absence, and a hot girl is working there, and she fawns all over me, right in front of the regular or the male employee who has a thing for her. I can usually defuse it by buddying up to them, but in some cases, these guys want to fuck me up (seriously). So I am notorious, not popular.
          If I ever go mainstream, I will let you know. I’m toying with the idea of starting my own website – articles, artwork, etc. If I ever do that, I will write a book or three, too. So I do appreciate the encouragement, my friend…hope you are banging the upwardly mobile sluts and having fun, sounds like you are. That’s awesome.

        2. Thanks Bob I appreciate the insight. That disgruntled patron situation is starting to sound familiar, albeit on a much smaller scale for me. At the bourbon bars, I’m one of the youngest dudes, and the older heavy-set fellas don’t take kindly to my clown game sometimes.
          But I can’t really compete with the older dudes who spend multiple hundreds per round. Their power over the ladies is undeniable. I’m trying to save and make the right decisions now so I can be one of them in 20 years when my youth runs out.
          I do put forth a valiant effort, but I certainly get shot down quite a bit too. I’m always trying to prove that little voice in my head wrong that says “the last hottie was YOUR last.” I assume it never goes away.

        3. It never really does go away, no matter your age. Saving money is great, but thinking outside the box is the critical thing. Sounds like you are young enough still to make several fortunes before you croak. So think outside the box and examine every angle and you’ll find an angle of your own. If you want it badly enough you will get it – money, hotties, whatever you want. Glad to hear you are out there banging and working on game. I think the fact I used game when I was in my early 20s, before it was even a thing, was one of the main reasons I built up enough confidence to believe I could do anything I set my mind to doing. So even if you aren’t banging down big money right now, it may help to look at it as a complete and total mindset-builder (gaming women). Success is a weird thing. If you start piling up attractive notches, and you keep doing that, it will bleed over into the rest of your life. Confidence breeds confidence. Going from “I think I can” to “I know I can”. Once you hit that stage you will be golden. You’re young and you have your head on straight, I have no doubt you’ll do very well in the years ahead. Go get ’em!

    3. Always the yes and no, I guess. While social circle game can indeed be powerful, the status within that particular social circle is even more important. If you are a nice guy but lacks in looks and relative status it will not get you far. Sure, you will be accepted by them due to your agreeableness and social skills, but that will far from automatically make the girls spread their legs.
      An important thing while traveling (love tourism) and nightgame in general is to have social proof, though. Be sure to get to know, now matter how shallow a relationship, a few people so you don’t appear as a weirdo or lonewolf. But to hunt more or less alone is still good for many of us. It can be an online date, a successful nightgame or even day game. No one has helped me to accomplish that.

    4. I am a loan wolf.
      Similar tons loan. Shark.
      But more howling with the biting

  19. Game doesn’t work the same anymore, only full blown military grade mind control works on these farm animals.

    1. You are just in time, we just lost our resident “no one is getting laid” expert.

    2. Chasing tail is organic, it will never stay the same. Adapt or become a dinosaur.

  20. Cool future T-shirt for ROK?
    “I got banned by Return of Kings.”
    Talk about a pussy magnet…

      2. I got banned by Love Stinks for awhile and from some other feminist site I forot the name of. Does that count for anything?

        1. Of course! Merit badges, my man. I got banned from a similar site after blasting Hillary supporters and predicting Trump would win. They banned me because I was right…they didn’t want me to come back and crow about it. You know how liberals are. In denial.

      3. “I got too real for the manosphere!”

        2. White man starting to get angry it looks like. For a second there I thought I saw a transparent ghostly dragon head ship appear in the background.

        4. Damn, that dude threw some serious and what looked like pretty well practiced punches. Wait…did I hear a wail, far in the background, of bagpipes playing on a battlefield?
          You know you’re badass when you can kick some cocky fucker’s ass while continuing to hold on to your groceries.

        5. That’s what I noticed, too, the fact that he kept holding his groceries – heh. Methinks the aggressor was wasted. And yeah, you musta heard bagpipes…Scotsmen love the battle. Well fuck a duck, I gotta duck out of here, because my computer mouse is dying. (It seems like they would be able to make one that lasts for more than a year or two, eh – but then, I guess there’s no money in that.) Catch y’all later…

  21. I love the picture of the “game denialist” guy in this and periodically other articles. Reminds me of one of my uncles; needless to say, dude never had or learned any game, to put it mildly.

  22. The reason you didn’t bag that hot Belarusian right away was because she has already been in the West too long. They’re (Belarusian girls) much more submissive when on their own turf and unindoctrinated.

  23. Looks and frame (personality) are the key ingredients, if you have less of one you’re going to need more of the other. It has to be balanced. It really is as simple as that.

    1. I agree. You don’t have to be the best looking or the most charismatic but a little of both will take you a long way.

  24. I dunno….
    If you’re confident in yourself first and foremost, women will pick up on that.

    1. Confidence only goes so far.
      If you don’t have the goods, it’ll get BEATEN out of you by night’s end! haha

  25. Looks matters when you are really special. My wingman is quite good looking 6’5 big white American Football player. This arms are like my legs. And he easily gets girls in the club.

    1. Agreed.
      But, if you get to the point where you are good looking enough…
      ….You can get the same hot girls.
      Have done it.

    2. Is it his looks or confidence since he knows he has muscle which is achievable over 3 to 4 years and that makes him more aproachable and just fun? Go work out.

  26. Good looks crack open the door…but substance knows how to kick that door off the hinges.

  27. She’s into Malakas, Dino! Classic “low man winning” sketch (punch line at 0:45):

  28. A statue can be magnificent, a great art of beauty, but it lacks soul… whereas a painting can be grotesque yet it is brimming with life, soul.
    As humans we are all eventually attracted to great personas, charisma and status, especially women.

    1. And beauty.
      Especially women…
      Paul McCartney got WAY better chicks than John Lennon.

      1. Cute won’t get you everywhere, but it can get you somewhere if you know how to make the most of it. Of course, there’s also the possibility, strange as it may seem, that girls preferred Paul because he seemed more stable personality wise. I know the red pillism is that girls love drama but maybe some of us actually do like a nice, stable guy?

        1. It depends on whether you’re talking about the original Paul or the one….wait for it….they REPLACED him with! hahah

  29. I can confirm this. I get lots of compliments and shit but that didn’t do squat. So I pretend that I’m broke as fvck and a dumbass to get girls. That worked wonders.
    All about the imagery and characterization. No one wants to date a super charming, intellectual most of the times.

    1. Thats cause woman these days are fucking insain, I will not lower standards just to suit the crazed preferences of the empowered woman.

      1. You pretty much have to be a clown to westerners. But outside of the anglosphere, you can be a guy who just wants a beer and pussy.

  30. I’m confused: Troy describes himself as “quite good looking” in one paragraph, then among the “vast, grey middle of male SMV” in a paragraph below. Isn’t that simply average looking? If you’re among the masses, you’re by definition average, no? Aren’t terms like good looking, beautiful and hot completely overused in today’s world? To my eyes, 90% of people I see are not even pleasant to look at. 90% of people I see in North America are either (in ascending order): hideous, ugly, homely, plain or simply presentable. The other 10% start at pleasant looking, then decreasingly ascend to attractive, handsome, quite good looking, then beautiful / gorgeous / hot at the very top of the pyramid (less than 1%).
    Then, to make matters worse, how often does a great face match a decent body?? Not often, as we all know. Plus, even truly handsome well-muscled men have to factor in their height and hairline, not to mention their wallets, when considering how they appeal to the weaker gender. As such, does 90% of the population not grossly OVERESTIMATE their looks and SMV? Me thinks so…

    1. Asked and answered.
      Just be good looking………enough.
      What exactly is THAT, you say.
      It’s being good looking enough to at least spark an INTEREST in the girl.
      No promises after that.
      But, if you don’t have that, it’s gonna be a long, hard slag.
      Doesn’t mean you can’t. Just means it’s NOT an efficient way to get LOTS of girls.
      And, get this. If you are good looking enough, you can get SUPER hot girls.
      Those type of chicks ALREADY had the best looking guy in the room. Way back when they were in middle school. So, that challenge is over for them. This means, as long as you meet their basic threshold for looks (it varies, but far less than being a Male Revue Dancer) you can get them, all things considered.
      What you CANNOT get is those women who AREN’T that hot, but need validation that they are. Those are the types that INSIST on Chippendale Dancers.
      Learn to recognize those women at 100 feet and….AVOID.
      Not only do you not want them anyway (they’re not esp hot – mostly a mirage) but, you’ll pick up a lot of BAD information from them!
      Whoooooo!

      1. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8435a353a2c3da11eba7dfac0716f07df405360eb6f74f4109ef63743fbbe961.jpg Guilty as charged, I insist on Chippendales dancers like this guy, I’d give him a 7, 8.5 if he’d lose the lesbian hairdo. Yes, I thought of the Chris Farley sketch but knew you’d all be like “rich famous celebrities don’t count”, so I picked a nonfamous fat stripper dude, which I’ll tell you wasn’t easy, there aren’t nearly as many of them as there should be imo.

  31. I don’t know about that… Looks are very important. Women want a man who looks like their father/brother, and most really hot girls have great looking dads/brothers. Sure you could game your way in, but why would you want to work that hard for a girl who you can’t get madly attracted to you?
    Women who are very attracted to you will treat you amazingly and you can treat them like you want, without worrying about losing them. If you’re manly i.e. have a wide face/jaw, you’ll have no problem attracting girls anyway. If you have both a manly and pretty face, every girl eye fucks you in the street/gives you easy sex and you eventually lose an appreciation of beauty altogether.
    There really is no winning.

  32. Write ups like this always attract defeatism and game denialist. Always. Always. Truth is most guys don’t work hard enough on looks or on their overall prescence. The truth is that most guys won’t crack 10 sexual partners in their entire life.
    Most guys get set up with their future wife or current gf. Most guys have no approach skills. They don’t work on it.
    Every guy I’ve ever known who killed a lot pusxy approached like crazy. Average looks but beast mode charisma and social presence.
    It’s a numbers game. Not everyone can get super models but there are plenty of average girls wishing more guys would step to them.

    1. The thing is, game isn’t magic, it helps you only when the girl is already attracted to you. You need to be her type, it’s as simple as that. It’s not about being handsome either, it’s about going for girls who look like you. I truly hate it when I see guys approaching girls who look nothing like them because they’re setting themselves up for failure. This in turn makes them whiny bitches and they ruin the fun for everyone.

      1. Given the audience rok attracts, I’m assuming your “looks like them” has a certain undertone. Your response smells of the exact defeatism i mentioned. Your last sentence clearly points to blaming others for your lack of success.

        1. Well, I don’t have a lack of success; I can get girls with a short stare. What I’m trying to say is that men should learn to better evaluate themselves and not blame women for not being attracted to them. The reality in our modern culture is that women don’t really need money, so looks have gained value along with fame.

      2. Mostly true. What you are describing is qualifying girls (not the way PUA’s use that term.)
        But it kind of is about being handsome.
        What most guys don’t realize is that what THEY think is handsome is often MUCH different that what girls think.
        They’ll see a guy they think they are better looking than with a chick they’d like and conclude –
        “See! It’s not about looks.”
        But, here’s the harsh truth ==>
        That chick thinks HE (the one you think is so mediocre) is BETTER looking than…………you!
        Sorry! haha

        1. Right, because he looks like her father. I know all my past girlfriends(even the ethnic ones) looked somewhat like my mother(others looked exactly like me). Beauty truly is in the eye of the beholder, at least in terms of small features – we like what is familiar to us.

        2. NEG.
          Hot is hot.
          Sexy is sexy.
          My mom was very, VERY beautiful in her youth (still is.)
          I CERTAINLY am attracted to women that evoke that look she had.
          But, I never actually dated one. Got hot chicks that were way different.
          Like I said – Hot is Hot.
          I think tall chicks with LONG legs are the bomb. Over 6′ is awesome.
          My mom is 5’4″
          Sorry. You just have to be good looking enough for that girl.
          If you do look like her (non-estranged) dad, that may help as you say. But, easily played past as evidenced by my ba’s who were redheads, blondes etc!
          A better metric might be women that look like…US.
          That is, if you like your looks. I’ve definitely seen that. Also, women that have similar
          overall dispositions.
          Whooooooo! Hoooooooo!

        3. I’m talking about face shape, features, eye color etc. not necessarily height or body type. I like girls who look like the female version of me, I think all good looking guys do. Does that mean I won’t bang those that don’t? No. But if I’m dating an Eastern looking Russian girl and I meet a Western European facial type girl, you can bet I’m leaving the Russian girl.

      3. As for ‘looking like them’ do you mean racial/ethnic or SMV equivalence? SMV rank is a relative index within a haplogroup. For example, these two are both HB7-8 within their group. Yes the one on the right is a desirable female within their specific group. The one on the left is an anthropologist. (The field is overrun with shitlib ‘apologists’ these days.) Compare the blonde 7.5 (Bl7.5) to the Aboriginal 7.5 (Ab7.5):
        http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/dochermes/34340054/1410883/1410883_600.jpg
        The one on the right is a desirable catch for their respective ingroup male whose smv isn’t judged so much on relative appearances, but on their industry in retrieving game to eat. With ingroup SMV matching, you’re looking at an aboriginal Barbie and Ken right here:
        http://www.eden-x.cz/topic_files/tabu/kanibalove3/12ubangi.jpg
        Far across the ocean the same SMV scale applies within any other haplogroup. I’m not an anthropologist but my own ingrouping must be connected to my genetic makeup because it affects my hardwiring. This next specimin sends many electrical messages from my eyeballs that flip many relay switches upstairs for me. I set the bar at 9+ for her since 10 is the theoretical impossibility:
        http://www.dhresource.com/0x0s/f2-albu-g1-M01-F2-CD-rBVaGFUsbASAc9kYAAFPbOS-IsY780.jpg/2015-summer-women-swimwear-triangle-bikini.jpg
        Usually my visual conditioning has slanted me to placing a blonde to cap the top of the SMV scale (blonde 9+ or ‘whiteman’ 9+) but since I learned that redheads are rarer than blondes due to red hair being an actual mutation of a mutation, a very rare double branch split of the line, something just starts going clickety click in my head when I see a redhead specimin with perfect creamy smooth skin. The perfect nose in this side shot just stabs me in the eyeballs when I look at it.
        http://g03.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1gyo3KXXXXXbBXVXXq6xXFXXXz/32290220277.jpg
        The crotch gap is so perfect. If someone were to tell me she’s a Victoria’s Secret model and only 16 working to save money for shitlib feminist college, I would feel a sledge hammer pounding my skull to steal a row boat and quickly locate and salvage this perfect breeding specimin before cultural rot gets it’s grubby hands on her. Game nooo problem. Quick row boat and batteries for my GPS would be the main logistics.
        I can’t imagine being a Ubangi aboriginal man though, what it must be like to be similarly triggered by an equivalent ‘perfect’ saucer lip match, but the SMV triggering is DNA rooted. Most pairing is naturally triggered. MSM tries to convince you to screw dogs, but their propaganda cannot beat nature’s natural pairing.

      4. Wrong wrong wrong. Girls do not have types. One day they fuck poor broke smelly Chad another day they are riding a cock of fat beta who just makes her laugh and owns big business or something. Even​ I as male like all types of girls. I just don’t have strict types. But i noticed that a girl I prefer may be total turnoff to another guy. It’s personal preferance but had no boundaries.

    2. “Every guy I’ve ever known who killed a lot pusxy approached like crazy”
      Kind of disagree.
      Approaching is overrated.
      Well, let me put it this way. I NEVER approach….WHEN IT FEELS like I’m approaching.
      That’s a huge distinction and where I think Roosh (also a proselytizer for approaching) and you miss it.
      I’ve gotten with a lot of girls. So much so, that while I still want to get with TONS more (and am quite confident about my prospects) it’s not an obsession or compulsion. I’m on the other side of that mountain if you will.
      What you OBSERVE is almost always DECEIVING you. You really don’t know what’s actually going on.
      I used to say “I never approach; don’t have to!”
      But, my buddies would say – “Yes, you do. Have seen you!”
      Then I realized what was going on…
      Ultimately, I actually would approach. You aren’t going to get SUPER hot chicks, unless you do. (Not that I INSIST on super hot chicks only.)
      But, here’s the key…I DON’T approach until IT FEELS like I’m not approaching.
      NEVER any approach anxiety.
      NONE. NADA. ZILCH.
      Do you know how much STRONGER your game is when you don’t have approach anxiety. Do you know how many more guys would approach if they can learn to do it this way.
      I think, upon reflection, my game is to just wait a little longer than the average guy, sometimes missing out on SOME opportunities, for sure, but where I live, there’s plenty more coming down the track. Understanding the nature of women, they are generally slower than guys anyway. So, all that worry guys have that they’ll never have another chance actually debilitates their game.
      So, I just wait until there’s something there. Then move.

      1. I have no idea what all this stuff wrote means. It’s completely incoherent.

        1. That means you’ll prob NEVER get it.
          So….how’s your GTA skill level!
          LOL

    1. Yeah…WIFE.
      And, you don’t always need tons of money.
      Ex: If you are a wonderful born again believer (as one stout example), you can get a STUNNING wife even if you are not handsome by any conventional standard. Seen it many times.
      But, just………………..ONE.
      For the rest of your life.
      Sorry. Not good enough for a lot of guys.

      1. Being a born again believer probably helps because when you attend church regularly, avoid the club scene, etc you automatically get put in contact with better quality girls through your environment, as well as giving off a vibe that attracts that kind of girl. If you’re a player who hangs out in bars looking for a quick, easy pick up, you’re gonna find girl players (sluts) who hang out in bars looking for quick, easy pick up. And the same is true in reverse.

        1. You are correct. And, these are solid guys I’m talking about. And, their mates are stunningly beautiful and Godly themselves!

        2. Way back I was visiting some very churchey evangelical friends. They had some other friend over who looked like an 18 yo Daisy from Dukes of Hazzard. Pure and religious she appeared too. I thought going by the churchey rules and having this fucked up Sunday etiquette and dialogue and waiting my turn to speak to her was the best shot. All I got was her first name. Shit. I still have approach/escalation regrets about her 25 years later. She was HB9+ is why I remember it so well. I should have gamed her full blast right then and there, not giving a shit if I raised some eyebrows. Back then I still didn’t know shit about long game keeping a wife tame and obedient though. Was poor as a dog back then too. She would have been damn good to learn all that stuff on the hard way still. It would have been like having a Corvette given to me for my first car.

    2. Or maybe I’m not that strange and there’s an epidemic of female chubby chaserism going on right now.

    3. People like you will always find justification for not improving and being beta forever. If one proves to incentive that looks so not matter in seducing a girl he will move goal post and claim that it is all about money now. You can not win with incels. They are to lazy teens to improve their bodies and character.

  34. I have good genes and work out/eat healthily, I’ve had a few girls tell me that I was the hottest guy they’ve ever fucked, and I still feel like I work my ass of to get laid. Just how it goes I guess

    1. If you are really that good looking, it’s lack of game that’s causing this.
      1) Do you know how to qualify the right girl for your personality.
      2) Do you know how to find and/or create the right venue that OPTIMIZES you chances of finding hot girls IN THE MOOD that you would like.
      3) Have you maximized your inherent masculinity.
      You have the best part down. The rest should be relatively easy.

    1. Nah. Look at some of these MMA guys with the f’d up faces and cauliflower ears. Girls go nuts for them, and some of them look like Frankenstein.

      1. You don’t get it, son.
        You JUST don’t get it. haha
        PS Read rest of my posts.

        3. All I get is expensive hookers and cheap booze, sonny boy. 🙂 Drinking Seagrams’ 7 right now. Took me an HOUR to drive back home from the hotel tonight…

        4. “All I get is expensive hookers and cheap booze!”
          That……I believe! haha

  37. There’s (broadly speaking) three groups that are attracted to the PUA community (what exists of it now. I quit following in 2008 -prob when it peaked w/Mystery’s VH1 Show.)
    I. Guys that have not gotten chicks cause of looks. <==PUA is NOT gonna help them much. Style is the poster child for that. He was ALL smoke and mirrors. Smart guy, though and certainly helped himself to get SOME chick.
    II. Good looking guys with no game <== PUA was MADE for them. That’s who thrive. RSD Max is the poster child for this category. Slightly shorter than ideal, but a great looking guy (last time I checked, sometimes these guys go downhill in a hurry! haha) He may have gotten SOME girls before, but with tight game, a guy like that could really LIGHT IT UP.
    See his videos. He did. Whooooooooo!
    III. Guys like me – Decent looking, but maybe needing to get in better shape to be Good Looking….enough. Once you realize the POTENTIAL that strong game can give you, it INSPIRES you to put in the work to get good looking enough, and KABOOM!
    The Biggest Lie, Fraud and Conceit of the PUA industry is that looks don’t matter. They HAVE to tell you that lest they lose customers.
    But, it’s simply not true.
    And, NO ONE knows this better than guys like me – who moved into the realm of Good Looking Enough – and saw the diff!
    Whhoooooo!

  38. “This is where those
    game-denialists who write in comments sections on articles like this one
    that “it’s all about looks” are way off beam.”
    The author is right. It is not all about the looks.
    It is about important physical life skills as well.
    Being muscular and athletic.
    Being good at fighting and fixing things.
    Hot females will go for ugly guys if they can do those things.
    They do not give one damn, however, if a guy is merely fit and trim, intelligent, hard working, quiet, honest, polite, and makes a good living,

    1. I was exactly like you described in your last sentence years ago. While I also had many of the apparent points to myself as you mention above, I still got nowhere because I failed to act on anything. Very well said.

      1. Which is why our fathers should be training us in the physical disciplines I mentioned. And if they are not willing or able, then they should ensure that others train us.
        Mine was a golden gloves boxing champion. A mechanical engineer from one of the best engineering schools in the US. A Naval officer. And a business owner. And he never spent one second of his time training me to be the same.
        And even worse, he allowed his EVIL WITCH OF A WIFE groom me from infancy to be a bullied victim. My father was useless to me. But my mother destroyed me before I even had a chance.
        Fathers! Train your sons!
        If you are not willing or able to train your son to be a man, then SEND HIM TO MILITARY SCHOOL!!! Don’t let them end up like me!!!

        1. I don’t believe all is lost, though. Nothing is ever too late until you decide it is too late to do so. It is our mission as men to make our sons into the men which we aspire to be. It would be a failure if they were to grow up and not be better men than we are.

        2. Keep growing the beard mon. Military school will shave the head. Maturing boys need mentored by a long haired bearded father. I have to be around a terrible feminized in-law sometimes who wants me dead and gone, but their bullshit always bounces right off me and back into their face. Why? Because I’ve got a beard and hair down to my ass like a rock star. No bitch can fuck with me. I have the edge. It’s all true:
          https://www.sott.net/article/234783-The-Truth-About-Hair-and-Why-Indians-Would-Keep-Their-Hair-Long

    2. Personally I find muscular and athletic and being a fighter are all turn offs, if by fighting you mean being short tempered and getting physical over every little thing. Of course there is a time and place to fight (which may or may not be a literal physical fight), in the sense of standing up for what’s right and protecting what’s yours. Being able to fix things is a definite plus, but I wouldn’t say it’s a major factor in my attraction or lack thereof. This stuff is all good though, except for quiet, I find chatterboxes amusing. “Intelligent, hard working, quiet, honest, polite, and makes a good living”

      1. Well then, Miss Fluffy, all I can say is, I have never met a girl like you.
        Yes, I have stood up the times it has been called for, but the females I have known do not give a crap. They prefer the showboats who would go apesh*t over a parking space…

        1. That would suck. Just saying man, Women like Men view us as a whole physical package that includes physique.
          Imagine Vin Diesels head on a skinny armed man with a bloated belly. Not so haawt and dreamy now.

      2. Which can be improved if you weren’t such a lazy guy. Fitness made me 6/10 at least to most girls.

  39. Very true, if we’re talking solely based on looks, the type of guy I like is probably quite low on most people’s SMV scale. Admittedly I am too, but I don’t think my preferences would be any different if I were a 10. I’ve never really dated for various reasons but I think if I were to hop on the carousel my taste in ponies would leave a lot of people scratching their heads.

  40. Females also prefer certain ratios just like males do. But unlike them, they have other things higher up on their priority list.

  41. Women do not go for looks as much as men but they do have to meet a certain standard. It’s more about NOT having negative looks than having actual good looks. That is, not being fat, not being too short, not being too skinny.
    But there is no reason an average looking dude cannot be highly sexually attractive.
    I once knew a girl who was crazy about a construction worker -he wore a lot of padding in his work and she only saw him as this well built dude. They went out on a date and he was dressed normally and was quite skinny and had no defined buttock area. She went off him. I suppose the blue pilled amongst us would call her shallow, but all she wants deep down is genetic material for her baby that is not flawed.
    See a guy doesn’t have to be good-looking just not have features that are sexually off-putting.
    Even then this is complicated: a broken nose may be an attractant; skinny shoulders are not.
    Men are like mannequins when it comes to looks. All they have to do is NOT be a bad shape. The ‘clothing’ of things that make him sexy is down to his outlook and behaviour.

    1. “All they have to do is NOT be a bad shape”
      Hahaha I love watching women squirm and bullshit their way out of disproving how truly shallow they are. Just be honest and stop bullshitting naïve men already.

      1. You are applying morality to sexual strategy that is amoral. This amorality applies to both sexes.
        What I have written is straight up the truth.
        And it is good advice and it offers hope to the vast majority of men not scorn. Blue pill either tells men to look like gods or that looks do not matter.
        Here is the truth: they DO matter but being plain in looks (as opposed to badly formed in some physical way) IS good enough to have scores of girls IF coupled with sexually attractive behaviours.
        Why do you think red pill stresses the need to lift and be in best possible shape? Truth is men can do a lot to improve their looks.

        1. “Why do you think red pill stresses the need to lift and be in best possible shape? Truth is men can do a lot to improve their looks”
          Correct, a lot of ‘game’ advice places a huge emphasis on fitness/muscle mass, style and appearance. Because good looks are important. Its why I find it funny when people contradict themselves on downplaying its importance for success with women.
          Women are the best at it.

        2. I think maybe what sajaro is meaning by “looks” is the looks a man is born with, the basic physical potential he has to work with. A lot of things outside of that, like working out, grooming, clothing choices, still come under the category of appearance but these are things a man can improve for himself. So a man born with average genetic looks can still be perceived as above average in attractiveness by looking to these things.

        3. Forgive me if I am not explaining myself well but it is not so much about ‘good’ looks but more about not looking ‘bad’.
          Look not every man can achieve not looking bad. Nature is cruel to some; but with a bit of work, the vast majority of men can at least look plain and that IF coupled with other sexually attractive behaviours will get them laid a lot.

        4. Plain looking women don’t want to settle for plain looking men so attractive looking women sure as the sun sets don’t want plain looking men.
          “sexually attractive behaviours will get them laid a lot”
          Yeh like Money and Status

        5. This video is as Redpill as it gets on the issue, check it out, its quite enlightening.

        6. There is a difference between sexual attraction and just being laid cause a woman wants your money (though to some men the why they are getting laid doesn’t matter- fair enough).
          But if a man is an otherwise beta who has won money I guarantee that it is only money that makes women sleep with him.
          If he has earned it, then he may also be genuinely attractive as he shown himself to better than other men as he is above the crowd.
          It is not cut and dried.

        7. I can’t disagree with this, however, I have not talked about good-looking men being attractive-that is a given-only how a guy who is not good-looking only has to be physically ‘plain’ which does NOT mean being ugly or having actively unatrractive features.
          But that the caveat is that he has to have other redeeming features such as charisma etc to compensate.
          I don’t think a plain woman can get away with this: no amount of personality features are going to make her sexually attractive.
          Of course when women say they find kindness and sensitivity attractive they are lying. They actually get turned on by a bit of assholery in a guy- as proved by the fake dating guy.

        8. It wasn’t ‘assholry’ they were into, it was his looks. He demonstrated several approaches of unconfident,depressed and even racist to an Asian girl”Ching Chong Chang do you want to bang” and still had them eating out of his hand dying to meet him.
          The conversation with the woman about depression pills he uses was hilarious. If it were an average looking dude she probably would have reported him and laughed with her friends about this weirdo creeper online.

        9. Truth. Incels betas never gets it. Even though I am myself quite beta, Over several years I improved my looks a lot. Coupled with socializing more and less giving a fuck, I started to see positive results. Was ugly skinny-fat loser all my life. Now it is my time to shine.

        10. Nope. Look around, I constantly see below average dudes with 7s and 8s. Sometimes even 9s. Your argument is just self delusion.

        12. 100% pure gold advices! thanks for sharing! THIS is real spot on gentlemen! take your time to watch all the episodes!
          Thanks for sharing!

  42. I know I’m strange in being attracted to fatties, but now that I think of it, if the average person’s standards for attraction are primarily based in GENETIC fitness, why is fatness such a major turn off? When it’s due to lifestyle choices rather than genetics, at least most times. All I can think of is maybe because it conceals the underlying true body shape.

    1. Maybe you’re ‘fluffy’ yourself and have more realistic expectations in the mating game.

      1. I am indeed fluffy myself, I have considered the possibility that perhaps subconsciously I just decided to set my sights on someone attainable and let the 10s chase the 10s, this isn’t something I did consciously though. I think I would feel the same if I were slim myself, but it’s hard to say since I’ve been chubby from about 2nd grade on.

        1. Men don’t need apply the number ranking system to themselves. We need to destroy this stigma of 7 – 7 or 8 – 8. That is the Hegelian dialectic “solution” to the smv crisis. They want us to be happy with what they call “equality”. Nature/God and history deems this the truth: male 4 – female 6, 5 male – female 7, etc, etc.

        3. Men inhenerently are judged by their smv in totality. The saying goes, “women are portrayed as sex objects, and men are portrayed as success objects”. As harsh as it sounds – this is the reality of the sexual market place.

    2. No fat woman are shame to be around, and are disgusting to look at, I saw this guy today he looks about a 7 or 8 with a huge fat ass 2, I was just thinking “Fucking hell I wonder if he knows he can do so much better?”

  43. You are a looks-denialst.
    “Look only get your foot in the door” Sure, but you need to actually get that foot in the door before you can apply game.

    1. Here I go being weird again, I actually don’t like facial hair or baldness. Bald guys are to me what fat girls are to most guys, pretty much a deal breaker as far as physical attraction goes. Facial hair the same thing though sometimes it’s not terrible. My mom has a thing for bald guys though.

      1. be slim is a choice, losing hairs is about genetics, you can’t do much when you lost them, you may become slim if you gain weight, you cannot do much if you start losing hairs.
        Many manly men was bald, but no woman (nor men) are atractive if they are fat, you can work to become slimer, you can’t do nothing agaisnt losing hairs, i saw couple of people try an hair implant with weird results, so better shave off and keep a beard (also Roosh wrote an article how to make an asset of it)
        here follows some charismatic bald men:
        https://romediafoundation.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/yul-brynner.jpg
        https://static.fanpage.it/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2017/02/p-638×425.jpg
        https://img.gqitalia.it/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/30124655/1485773214_Pelati-evidenza-1280×628.jpg

  45. Troy, as you know, i live in Italy, so i know how to dress with style, be confident as MEN do, have money and good friends (yeah, from the barman to the afro beast who check the dress code at the entrance)
    Now, i believe you already know that everythings cost money and time (and time means money so moneyx2) now i want to ask you:
    All of this enfort for what???? i tell you: to bang SLUTS!
    Now, if outta here would be a different world where you must deal with LADIES, i will agree with you, but when you realize that, as you wrote in another article, women today are willing to have sex and “maybe” later a relationship, you quick realize that you will not find a decent LADY to deal with, just cunts and sluts who usually like to have fun with the weird dressed guy who giv’em skitties!
    Now, i understand that you may find 10,9 or even 8 in the disco, but they usually aim high to very rich or influent people because, as i told in another reply, today every women, even average jane’s, aim for the top dog!
    That said, if you have not the MONEY to dress well, or the TIME to improve your game, you may simple abide to today’s rules: Be a bastard, be always on your toes and don’t give a fuck to girls, smile and spend time to those who deserve it and do not let yourself being used for anythings before you have sex with bitches roaming everywhere.
    Quick solution: bang an escort and then go outside with friend to have fun, be friend with benefit to those who just like you as you are, do not spend your hard earned money to buy stuff like expensive cars, clothes or drinks in bar/disco, women show us that ONS is possible if you are their kind of man, no matter what.
    Save your money to hit the gym, do what you like, travel and be the hero of your world! women will follow.

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