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The Myth That Jesus Christ Was Not Masculine

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One of the travesties of modern feel-good Christianity—and a travesty which alienates a lot of non-Christian men—is the fact that Jesus Christ is routinely portrayed as an individual who is meek, mild, and submissive. Indeed, Churchians often make Christ seem to be some type of go-along-to-get-along hippie who just wanted peace, tolerance, and “love”, man! But nothing could be further from the truth. The fact is that Jesus Christ was a tough, red-pilled individual, and his strength and grit manifested itself in several ways that masculine men can learn from and appreciate. And if you don’t believe me, well then, just consider the following three points.

Physical Grit

Jesus knew how to work with his hands.

First, there is the physical form of fortitude, which is a type of toughness that Jesus clearly demonstrated. After all, there are good grounds to believe that Jesus was a builder of some type (Matthew 13:55 and Mark 6:3) and so he likely had the natural physical strength and hardness that comes from working in manual labor. But there is also another incident that clearly shows Jesus’s physical prowess: namely, the clearing of the temple.

In the temple he found those who were selling oxen and sheep and pigeons, and the money-changers sitting there. And making a whip of cords, he drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and oxen. And he poured out the coins of the money-changers and overturned their tables. (John 2:14-15, ESV)

Clearing out a room single-handedly takes balls….balls that most men today do not have.

So here we have Jesus making himself a weapon and then using that weapon to clear out a temple full of merchants and animals. And although we are not told the exact number of people who were in the temple at the time, it nevertheless takes some serious balls to single-handedly eject a room full of men and chase them away from their money and their livestock.

Indeed, regardless of whether you think that Jesus was right or wrong in what he did, the fact is that there are few men alive today who would have the intestinal fortitude to man-up and clear out a group of degenerates with nothing but their hands, a bit of cord, and some righteous fury.

Intellectual, Emotional, and Social Fortitude

Not afraid to call people out when the situation warrants it.

Now, while the above example demonstrates Christ’s physical toughness, the fact is that Jesus was also intellectually, socially, and emotionally masculine and strong. What do I mean by this? I mean that in his words and actions, Christ did not bow to the politically-correct platitudes of his day, nor did he sacrifice the truth for niceness, nor did he care about the approval of his followers if doing so meant sacrificing his integrity or jeopardizing his mission.

After all, when you (1) call out a group of powerful people as being sons of the Devil (John 8:39-47), and when you (2) boldly preach the truth in a manner that leads to people wanting to kill you afterwards (Luke 4:16-30, John 8:58-59), and when you (3) hold fast to a teaching regardless of the fact that it leads to large numbers of your followers abandoning you (John 6:60-71), you know that Christ had intellectual and emotional strength. In fact, Christ was strong enough to even call out his close friend when it was required (Matthew 16:22-23). And this is not even to mention the iron mental will that it would have taken to fast for forty days and forty nights (Matthew 4:2, Luke 4:1-2).

We see the strength of Christ manifest itself not only physically, but only intellectually and socially. This was a man who had masculine energy and who routinely handled situations in a masculine way. He was emotionally and mentally tough. He had a mission, and he would let no man—neither friend nor foe—stop him from achieving it.

Mission-Oriented Toughness

Finally, we can note that Christ had the type of fortitude that men admire most: a self-sacrificial mission-oriented grit that few men exhibit in their lives. Indeed, in his final days, Christ—in order to fulfill his mission of redemption against the forces of evil that control this Earth (John 12:31, 2 Corinthians 4:4)—allowed himself to be whipped, beaten, and hung on a cross.

Now many people might consider such an outcome to be a sign of weakness. After all, Jesus did nothing to defend himself from his attackers and oppressors, and so his apparent submission to a painful death seems pathetic, not bold or strong. But this has the issue entirely backwards, for true strength and toughness is demonstrated via the endurance of pain and suffering to accomplish a mission, not necessarily through the specific way in which that mission is accomplished.

Think, for example, of the platoon commander whose cowering platoon is pinned down by enemy fire and blocked from advancing due to a barbed wire barrier. In order to save his men and ensure that his mission is completed, the platoon commander charges the wire under heavy enemy fire and throws himself upon it, thereby allowing his platoon to break through and complete their mission. Is this platoon commander a coward? Is he weak? Is the soldier who throws himself on top of a grenade to save his friends and ensure their survival pathetic? Was Arnold Winkelried gutless when, in 1386 at the Battle of Sempach, he sacrificially threw himself against a spear wall in order to make the critical opening for his Swiss comrades to break the Austrian lines and ultimately gain their freedom?

And so, such men as those mentioned above are not weak, but rather, they have the most courage of all, for they willingly and freely take on the pain and suffering from countless foes in order to save their friends and ultimately accomplish their mission by doing so. And the same is true for Christ: he freely and willingly endured unbearable pain to ensure the completion of his mission, which was the salvation of mankind.

When looked at from a theological perspective, Christ’s sacrifice can be seen as being even more incredible. Why? Because a plausible understanding of the crucifixion holds that Christ literally experienced and endured the punishment for all the sins of all mankind during his death. This would be an experience which would create a level of pain that would be utterly unimaginable to us. And yet he took on that pain freely, a deed that few others—if any—would ever do.

While Jesus Christ, the founder of Christianity, was obviously kind and gentle with many individuals, he was also incredibly tough. Furthermore, his fortitude and red-pilled attitude showed itself in many different ways which masculine men can learn from. Consequently, it always needs to be remembered that Christ was not a weak or feminine man. He was, in fact, one of the toughest men to have ever lived, and we need to remember him as such.

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610 thoughts on “The Myth That Jesus Christ Was Not Masculine”

  1. The Bible is brilliant because it manages to be all things to all people.
    You want a vision of a peaceful, meek, submissive God? It’s in there.
    You want a vision of a strong, merciless, avenging God? That’s in there too.
    This book has survived for two thousand years because it gives everyone what they want. It doesn’t care that it contradicts itself.

      1. Expressing a belief in the Bible and putting Russian dressing on his salad.

        1. I really wish he would answer. I legitimately want to know what the fuck they say they are going to arrest Trump for. Pissing on some Russian hookers? I mean, who here among us hasn’t done that?

        4. Are you trying to invent some new notation here or am I way behind the curve again, as usual?

        9. *****I respect, appreciate and love all of my Jewish brothers and sisters here with me on Planet Earth. In no way would I ever stereotype, tease, insult, blaspheme, denigrate, urinate upon or make fun of any Jewish person, or the Jewish race as a whole, in the same way I freely and often stereotype, tease, insult, blaspheme, denigrate, urinate upon and make fun of every other race, kind, nation, creed, color, gender, tribe, hair texture, religion and/or homeowners organization, because that would be evil and Republican. Thank you very much for your kind attention. The more you know…. *****

        11. Yeah, I need to edit that post before the IRS audits me and the cops get a mysterious tip about all the sex slaves in my dungeon.

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        15. ***gay*** (dunno, puckered asshole is what I’m trying to communicate here).

        2. Oh sorry, my bad. We’ll talk more when you come back for all that gloating you can’t wait to do.

    3. This is true of all written material. I can do the same trick with any novel, childrens book or set of city ordinances. It is the very basis of the legal profession: clever interpretation of the written word.
      The bible has survived for 2000 years for 2 reasons: a) Christians (of all stripes) and b) because it is excellent.

      1. No way, the Bible has survived for as long as it has because of the Jooos. Its all a big Jooo conspiracy. I mean, Jesus was a Jooo for fuck’s sake!

    4. You want a vision of a petty, pathetic, merciless, genocidal God? It’s in there too.

      1. Whereas if you want it right down here on earth, you look to the atheist communist states for maximum effect.

        1. I know he’s a ridiculous cliche, but mentioning Hitler is appropriate here — he exterminated 6 million people for their religious heritage. The godless states definitely have a longer track record, but it’s not just limited to the atheists.

        3. I meant for the highest body count. You can’t go wrong pulling out the atheist commie states for maximum body count effect. Hitler, though awful, was a piker compared to them.

        4. Yup. About 150 million dead thanks to Communism. And they did that in less than 100 years.

      2. Nah, just the Canaanites, Hittites, Hivites, Perizzites, Girgashites, Amorites, and Jebusites.
        And they had it coming..

  2. Good stuff.
    He was kind and compassionate to ordinary people…and Hell on Wheels to the self-righteous, power elite.
    The analogy today would be if someone talked smack about the Supreme Court throughout the land. Called them hypocrites, a ‘brood of vipers’, sons of Satan. And then journeyed right to the center of their power (DC now, Jerusalem then) and called them out to their face. …knowing that ultimately, they could have him killed.
    I find it interesting that the only time I’m aware that Jesus used physical violence is to clear out the Money Changers in the Temple. This is the same kind of evil the world’s Central Bankers use today to rip off common people.

  3. Plus, if those Mary Magdalene stories are true, my boy Jesus was strong with the pimp hand.

        1. (Dear God, I really hope Jesus can take a few jokes. Sorry, Little Baby Jesus, this is what you get for giving me all that free will and shit.)

  5. Leviticus 21:13-14:
    “And he shall take a wife in her virginity. A widow, or a divorced woman, or a woman who has been defiled, or a prostitute, these he shall not marry. But he shall take as his wife a virgin of his own people.”
    Deuteronomy 22:20-21:
    “But if the thing is true, that evidence of virginity was not found in the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones, because she has done an outrageous thing in Israel by whoring in her father’s house. So you shall purge the evil from your midst.”
    1 Corinthians 7:2:
    “But because of the temptation to sexual immorality, each man should have his own wife and each woman her own husband.”
    As far as relationships are concerned, these three passages should solve most problems. But why Christians don’t follow them is beyond me. Even in India, Christians have a reputation for being loose.

      1. “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for their’s is the kingdom of heaven.” If that is what you are referring to, it sounds rather contradictory.

        3. No, no, no… that’s Paul Bearer.
          Damn, you’d think a guy quoting the Bible would be better at keeping his Pauls straight.

        4. Ah shit! Well, in my defense, I’m not a Christian. I came across these quotes while browsing Christian manosphere sites.

        5. So you’re shoplifting the Bible? Is that what you’re telling me?

        6. I’m just a very practical man who applies knowledge from any worthwhile source.

        8. Exactly.
          EDIT: Paul Heyman and I share the same birthday. Random trivia for you.

        10. If those poor in spirit get the kingdom of heaven, what do the rich in spirit get? If poor spirit refers to weak moral character, how can they get the kingdom of heaven?

        13. That is NOT a problem. No birthright, no more ‘chosen people’ non of that racist bullshit.
          Everyone is eligible (through Christ) but that doesn’t mean its guaranteed

        14. I was more specifically referring to the born-again virgins. They fuck scores of men before and then act like a virgin to the new guy. It is clear she is of poor spirit, yet she is eligible for the kingdom of heaven.
          The main point I wish to make is that the 5:3 quote is quite vulnerable to misinterpretation.

        15. Jesus is saying that without recognizing our spiritual bankrupt soul we will not enter the kingdom of heaven. None of us are worthy and need to understand that.

        16. Have you ever jaywalked? You have? You aren’t eligible to enter the kingdom of heaven. Why? God commands we obey the laws of our leaders unless it goes against God. You have sinned – the same as the slut. Any sin condemns you to hell. I myself was speeding earlier today and as such broke God’s command. Believing in Christ doesn’t make me perfect it makes me recognize I am a terrible human that without God’s grace don’t deserve anything. It doesn’t magically make me a wonderful human being.

    2. Leviticus 25:44 (American Standard) “As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you.”
      Sorry I can’t get with slavery, one of my major problems with religion.

      1. Almost all of human history was slavery and we’re quickly reverting back to that norm. We had a 200 year blip where we all said “Wait,,,how about no” but it’s more or less going away now. I’m not fond of it myself, but recognizing a fact of life is just that.
        New Testament = new covenant, which replaces the old, btw.

        1. True esteemed Jeff, but chattel slavery must be condemned, prevented and fought against. Not just looked upon unfavorably.
          Also my main point is that most religion(s) give tacit approval of slavery, or condone it. Which shows they are out of date or can be used to institute bondage (not the fun kind) at some later date.

        2. Dude, we’re basically slaves now, much moreso than most slaves back in the day were, if you think about it. Hell a slave in the Confederacy could hold job and only have to hand over 10% or so to his owner. We could only dream of having it so good. It’s an institution that has, does and will always exist. It sucks, but end of the day, there it is.

        3. I hear that argument all the time. But honestly Jeff I can’t PURCHASE another human being and end their life on a whim. In fact the only entity that can do that is the “god” of the big 3. Which is why muslims (and some christians) describe themselves as “slaves” of Allah (or Christ).

        4. GhostOfJefferson, Matthew 5:17-18 would disagree with you.
          17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.

        5. Oh, so the 10 Commandments are no longer valid? Awesome, God’s cool with murder.

        6. By Western standards yes. But many African and Middle Eastern areas still employ slavery to some degree, with Taliban employing some more gruesome aspects. Child prostitution is another form of it, the kind that begets child pornography, that is still being peddled in Western countries. It just isn’t talked about.

        7. You sure can purchase another human being. I freaking guarantee it. Right now, today. Slavery is rampant over most of the rest of the world outside the West. You want a pretty Russian slave girl, head to Saudi Arabia, they have cartloads of them, for purchase, cash money.
          And to put this whole slave thing to rest, why would he call out slavery anyway? The point of life is not comfort and happiness and warm summer days, the point of life is to endure suffering and make your soul right before the Lord. We are admonished to “suffer well” for a reason, because suffering brings growth and can help us learn to give up wanting earthly pleasures, which are in fact meddlesome to the soul. Another facet of suffering is that it gives those who are not suffering the ability and chance to do Good by helping those who suffer.
          This idea that we’re not supposed to suffer on earth is an invention of Leftists and the proponents of hippy Jesus. Without human suffering, without evil, without bad things happening in the world, there is no real chance to exercise free will and truly choose to do good or evil.

        12. I can’t because we live in a Western (largely secular) society. Even Saudi Arabia and other countries have to make some attempt hide the human trafficking. You can’t purchase an odalisque in an open-air market like pre-’62.
          Respectfully, I know life will inevitably involve suffering but it is NOT the purpose of life to suffer for a reward that is NOT GOING TO OCCUR after death. For all anyone knows Islam is the right religion, or strict Catholicism, or Judaism is the ONLY way etc.
          My point was that the major religions (a supposed model for morality) don’t make a point to condemn slavery but I’d say 80-90% of living people know it is an immoral and abhorrent practice. But the key is the gradual DISTANCING of society from religion has realized this ideal. Weaving strict religious practice back into governance is what ISIS and Boko Harem are doing.
          Does this make sense?

        13. So your criticism of Christianity is that you don’t believe in God. And….?

        14. Like Islam and Judaism it’s rooted in middle eastern tribal value that are thousands of years OLD.
          PS: I saw your oxen. I must confess an all-consuming jealousy. 🙂

        15. How about, where in Europe and Globe does the russian-jewish mafia sell EE women ?

        18. True that, although Christianity did play a role in slavery for centuries, the true Christians, the ones that followed the New Testament and Jesus’ message to heart were the ones that inspired the prominent Christian European empires to end the practice around the world, more notably, the British Empire…The ending of slavery has to be considered the most profound human accomplishments ever.
          Very few realize how slavery was such an integral part in the human condition, practiced in every corner of the world, practiced by every race and tribe. The only reason it ended was through the teachings and inspirations of Jesus Christ..
          Edit: Slavery is on an exponential rise now that Christianity or more notably, the teachings of Christ are being forgotten or rejected

        19. Yes, thank you, exactly. When you take the WHOLE message of Christ, you come away knowing that you cannot hold a slave. Love, compassion, forgiveness, justice, these are the true tenants of Christianity. These people ignore that AND ignore free will. They seem to want God to be a Super Powered Joseph Stalin dictating and directing all actions here.

        20. So? Old means “not valid”?
          Every culture known to man that survived longer than two generations forbids killing of others of one’s own culture except in extreme circumstances (self defense, or as justice metted out by the law). That’s old. Is it wrong?

        21. Give me a break, have you even read the Gospel bro? Jesus Christ fought tooth and nail against spritual tribalism and spiritual tyranny that was so pervasive in the Old Testament
          His argument was that if all of humanity lived like Him they would find heaven on Earth but Jesus knew how flawed humanity was thats why He mostly preached to individuals…Jesus knew that his message had a potential to being bastardized by hypocrites, heretics and tyrants

        22. Well in fairness we had a 1000 year blip when the Roman empire fell. In the Middle Ages there were serfs but in no way can this condition be compared to slavery. A serf could buy land, his freedom and bequeath goods to his descendants, etc.This development was in no small thanks to the Christian ethos that arose at that time.
          However the resurrection of the Roman Law and the great demand for labor in the Americas during the Renaissance ended that blip and slavery began anew in the West. And yes it seems we are going back…

        23. Slavery is not condemned by God. We should treat our slaves well, as God treats His slaves, us.
          There is not one rule book for us and another for God, He is not a hypocrite. If He can own slaves, then slavery is a fine and good thing. All God does is good. Of course since God owns us, He may decide that He doesn’t want us to own our own slaves, or He wants us to let them go after 7 years so they can serve Him rather than a man.
          My point is, slavery is not bad, abusing someone is bad, but not slavery. A wife is biblically a slave, so how can that be bad?
          Ephesians 5:22-24
          22 Wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands, as unto the Lord.
          23 For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.
          24 Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

        24. Special Pleading.
          So you think owning people as property and beating them with rods, or in God’s case torturing them forever is okay???

        25. I never referred to how a slave should be treated. Don’t put words in my mouth.

        27. The Bible does, and it says to treat them justly and fairly.
          Colossians 4:1 Masters, give unto your servants that which is just and equal; knowing that ye also have a Master in heaven.
          The Bible has and always will permit slavery. Unlike the slavery of the African people though, God is not racist and allows all races to be enslaved.
          But why should I justify this to you? You don’t seem to be a Christian.

        1. Well splittin’ hairs. Plus:
          1) Jesus was jewish
          2) did he ever condemn slavery?

        2. Why would he have to? Laying out the “blessed are the meek, for they shall inherent the earth” is a direct endorsement that they are the ones who are in His favor.

        3. Sorry that does not mention slavery. It can be taken to mean them. Also there is no other world than this one. So the meek ain’t gettin shit.

        4. So basically you’re upset that Jesus didn’t come out with a point by point detailed list of every wrong in the world? He also didn’t condemn internet porn either. Notice that? Nor did he condemn Pauly Shore movies. That doesn’t mean tacit approval.
          Besides on the ol’ Meek totem pole, slaves are basically the pillar upon which all others rise from.

        5. Ephesians 6:5 (from the New Testament, “the Jesus part”)
          5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.
          Slavery is never abolished or condemned in the New Testament.

        6. So the son of God, who eventually becomes God, and enforces God’s law -Matthew 5:17-18 tells slaves to obey their masters, and you say he never condemned it?
          Go read the Bible.

        7. Ah, I loves me some exegesis reading.
          The *REST* of the passage states:

          9 And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.

          He’s calling out slave owners.

        8. Well… wouldn’t he foretell the coming of Shore? 🙂 I mean he’s part of an all knowing triumverate (sp?). And if he didn’t prevent the Dawn of Shore god is even more cruel than I thought. 🙂

        9. I’m sorry how is telling slave to obey their masters condemning the institution of slavery?

        10. Where did God promise you an EARTH with no evil or suffering?

        11. That is a weird one since this wording might make slavery a profession when in practice it is a designation of worth based on humanity. Slippery slope since it is an ambiguous call out if anything.

        12. At the time, it was just a fact of life. He’s telling slave owners that they are on no preferential ground with Him regarding doing good or evil. See my longer post on suffering below.

        13. He tells slave owners to respect their slaves, but he DOESN’T say they CAN’T own slaves.
          You think this justifies owning people as property?
          Ah, I love seeing Christian’s flawed logic and lapse in judgment.

        14. Whether it does or doesn’t, it puts both on equal footing regarding freewill, and the question of good and evil. There have been cases of slave owners who freed slaves because they realized the contradiction in being a Christian and slave owning when it comes down to brass tacks.

        16. I did. Which is why I cant claim to be any denomination. But you also can’t dismantle Christianity in true practice while disavowing core tenements. This reasoning is why I don’t think a disconnect against slavery applies to Jesus’ role as a savior of humanity exists. They are not related and he bridged the gap for all to enter the Lord.

        17. I don’t care if it did, is my point. You’re saying “Oooooh, I dislike something, but God didn’t say anything about that!” out of context of the larger plan that God intends. Might as well condemn Him for not being against putting down of stray dogs in kennels.

        18. Upset that Jesus, who was all about loving others, didn’t say you can’t own people as property? Yes I am upset.

        19. Jesus never explicitly said it was a sin to anally rape 13yo girls, so at least Roman Polanski is good.

        20. All societies had designations of worth based on humanity. I’m just not sure why it’s a criticism of others. You had your jarl’s, your ceorls and your slaves in England once upon a time. Just a fact of life.

        21. ‘I don’t care if it did, is my point”
          So you don’t care that God/Jesus allows slavery? Why not?

        22. There you go, that’s what’s going on. “My modern political ideas, God never explicitly endorsed them!”
          Well yeah, duh.

        23. That’s right, I don’t care. See my post below about suffering and free will, I don’t wish to repeat myself.

        24. See comment below. I KNOW life will be difficult but it’s the rather cozy relationship the abrahamic religions have with slavery that I object to.
          PS:before you say it I know slavery was around before and in the east too.

        25. How about “and ye masters free your slaves as the servant of the one true god can not own another servant. Ye are all servants of HE.”
          🙂

        26. Actually that’s wrong according to the bible. There is a new heaven and new earth to come – Revelation 21

        27. You’ve made empty claims about suffering leading to salvation, congrats. Now prove it.

        28. And again, why? This is not supposed to be an earthly paradise. To assume so is to fly against everything stated in the Bible. I hear that Armageddon will feature war and killing. The Bible foretold it, and it is part of the necessary progression of the world towards the second coming of Jesus. Doesn’t mean God likes war, it’s simply noted as a milestone.

        29. There will be a new heaven and a new earth (Revelation 21) after the evildoers are removed.

        32. I think its fair to say that such a prohibition is couched in the whole “love one another” bit.
          Dude wasn’t a lawyer.

        34. Damn, GoJ, stop arguing about the various internal mechanisms of an iPhone with fucking ants.

        36. No but he was an omnipotent omniscient supernatural deity. So he probably could’ve have worked something out.

        37. St.Paul was also not a lawyer.
          the goal of the Word was not to upend all that is wrong with our earthly ways and create a perfect world, but rather to encourage the individual to seek such improvements himself.

        38. Right? It’s like banging my head against the wall that this point doesn’t make it through their constant repeating of the same “The earth is not paradise! Evil exists” thing. Pure commie 101 agitprop.

        41. existing conditions. they couldn’t “fix everything” anymore than the US could right off the bat after becoming independent.
          Shit takes time. People are slow.

        42. I’m cognizant of the fact that it existed and still exists. As a Christian however I’m smart enough to read and understand love, compassion and forgiveness, and thus, could never own a slave (involuntarily, heh). See how that works, when you put the whole religion together instead of taking the latest boilerplate from atheist.com as your cue? You want to take one thing out of context, ignore the rest, and hope it sticks.

        44. You know, come to think of it, Just some guy has never explicitly condemned child porn.
          Hmmmmmm…..

        46. God promises an uncomfortable earth, and suffering here and responses to it provide a chance to exercise free will, which allows for either sin or doing Good. Those kind of things get you into Heaven, or barred at the gate.

        47. I’ve really done some excellent work in this thread, if I do say so myself.

        48. Or unless you die gay, or as an unbaptized baby, then you get tortured forever in Hell.

        49. Upset that Jesus, who was all about loving others, didn’t say you can’t own people as property? Yes I am upset.

          If you love others, then you necessarily will not buy them nor treat them as property.
          Check, and mate.
          You may walk away from the table now.

        52. I’m not a law-maker, or an omnipotent deity making rules for people to live by.

        53. There’s a fundamental misunderstanding underlying all of these complaints. Free will, being one of them.

        54. So he’s not even going to clean up his own mess.
          He keeps getting worse and worse.

        56. Unless your god commands it.
          Leviticus 25:44, Exodus 21:1-8, Ephesians 6:5, Matthew 5:17-18

        58. If you’re gay but don’t act on it, you’re perfectly capable of getting into Heaven. The admonishment is not to lie with another man. So, just don’t do the sin, and don’t advocate for others to do it, badda bing, you’re good to go.
          If there are unbaptized kids, then that is a calling to go out and see to it that they get baptized.
          There’s a whole lot of highly intellectual Christian scholastic work that deals with what you consider “problems”. You should check it out sometime.

        59. And yet you still haven’t condemned child porn.
          So I’m taking that as you endorsing child porn.
          So there we go.

        60. What is so bad about homosexuals having sex with each other? Why does God care so much? Isn’t he loving?
          You do know that babies can die before they’re baptized right?

        61. The Bible was written at a time when slavery existed. To look at it 2000 years later and cherry pick parts of it to complain about looks silly.

        62. I think I’m about to. Pearls before swine, as the saying goes.

        64. So you use secular means and logical analyses to not own slaves. Congrats, you have empathy can don’t need a magical sky daddy to tell you you can’t.
          That doesn’t change what the Bible says.

        66. As long as it’s consensual and all parties are at least 18 years old, and mature enough.
          What’s so wrong with anal?

        67. Jesus went around telling people what to do, I’m not. He’s also a loving man, but lets people own slaves.
          I condemn child porn. Happy?
          You’ve never condemned child pron either.

        69. Has the Bible changed what it says about slavery since then?
          – The answer is no.
          The Bible STILL says you can own slaves.
          Fuck off with this apologetic.

        70. Secular means and logical analysis, which just so happens to align with the “love one another” part.

        71. telling people what to do.
          people who were still free to go do whatever the fuk they wanted.

        72. And yet, gays and unbaptized babies get tortured forever. Real loving.

        73. Actually I have on many threads already.

        74. And if they chose to fuck a guy in the ass, or not believe in Jesus, they get tortured forever.

        77. My entire argument if flying so far over your head that I’m afraid I’ll never be able to communicate with you in a way that you’ll understand. You’re too determined to “be right” that you’re failing utterly at the task and don’t see it.

        81. So basically you’re just a Leftist. Got it. You’re not an honest broker. I’ve said all I can say to you on this, you are willfully blind to it and apparently are into faggot sodomy too, so, we’re done.

        83. I’ve already check mated you, child. We’re through. You lost.

        84. You haven’t answered my questions and now that you see the flaw and inconsistencies in your religion you’re running away.

        85. GoJ is NOT an idiot. He is a smart guy. We agree on a lot of things this just isn’t one of them. Everything I know (somewhat limited) he is a good man/husband/father. You are being dismissive and a little ignorant.

        89. No he is not. He KNOWS slavery is wrong. That is the important thing. Our argument is that he knows it is wrong NOT because of his religion.

        90. Well lets toss out Revelations then… Jesus himself says he is coming back….
          Titus 2:13
          Hebrews 9:28
          John 14:1-3
          Acts 1:9-11
          Matthew 24:14
          Revelation 1:7
          Matthew 24:43, 44
          1 Thessalonians 4:13-18
          1 Corinthians 15:51-54
          2 Thessalonians 1:7-10
          2 Thessalonians 2:8
          Revelation 14:14-20
          Revelation 19:11-21
          Matthew 24
          Mark 13
          Luke 21
          2 Timothy 3:1-5
          1 Thessalonians 5:1-6

        94. the ‘tortured forever’ is your interpretation.
          not sure what the biblical basis is for that, but it sounds like reactionary bs.

        99. ah. the “last minute scare the shit out of everyone hallucination addition” pushed by the roman church for inclusion into the bible….

        100. Bro, I’ve read through this thread and you’ve been doing the yeoman’s work trying to enlighten the plebes, but it’s pointless. These guys are literally making an argument that, if taken to its logical conclusion, would also have cast out the U.S. Constitution that protects their right to be atheists. All because muh paternalistic founders owned slaves and said it was OK and wrote it into a document.
          Their quick dodge would be to say – well, the Constitution has been changed. But something tells me if we redlined the slavery parts out of the bible, they wouldn’t suddenly be embracing Christ. That’s because this slavery shit is a red herring, and they know it. If you don’t want to believe, don’t. But don’t try to sell me on some bullshit rationalization about why your atheism is morally justified. Last I checked, Christians don’t own slaves, like anywhere. Nor have their religious leaders been teaching them that it’s acceptable for a few centuries now. In fact, it was Christians who spearheaded the abolishment of slavery, likely because, as you point out, Christ taught that, whatever else may be true on Earth, in the eyes of God, we are all the same.

        102. If you paid attention to my previous comments on this site you’d know Im dead serious on this and far from a troll.

        106. The irony is that countries and empires that had slavery so entrenched in their culture ended up paying for it big time, the Arabic caliphates of old, Roman empire, Sparta, Antebellum American South, Mongolian Empire etc..Slavery just isn’t profitable in the long run, nor does it provide prosperity,
          You have to feed and house slaves from the cradle to the grave, sure you can kill them when they are of no use but that ends up costing the slaveowner and lowers ROI on each slave

        107. OK. I’ll get back to you when I find the part about “Or unless you die gay, or as an unbaptized baby, then you get tortured forever in Hell.”

        108. Bro, I don’t see how you don’t get tired of entertaining these types. It’s like playing a never ending game of wack-a-mole.

        109. Atheist can’t have morals in the same sense as a Christian so their argument about that is a waste of time.

        112. dont even bother arguing with most of these guys man.
          1 Corinthians 1:18
          “For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.”
          2 Timothy 2:23-24
          “Don’t have anything to do with foolish
          and stupid arguments, because you know they produce quarrels. And the Lord’s servant must not be
          quarrelsome but must be kind to everyone, able to teach, not resentful.”

        113. Slavery is officially both a profession and a hobby. People work as slaves in porn and sex studios or just willingly submit to masters without getting anything in return. It is in the human nature I think. Weak ones feel the need to submit to strong ones. Free will is something only the strongest and toughest of us can handle without going insane or ruining themselves.

        115. Baptism is to clean the baby of Original Sin until it grows up and accept Jesus.
          Roman 10:9 – 9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
          John 14:6 – 6 Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

        116. It’s actually condoned.
          If your child is unruly you have to stone them to death.
          Deuteronomy 21:18-21
          18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
          19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
          20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
          21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

        118. I understand the concept of baptism and it’s necessity. Where does Christ state that a child who is not baptized, being made clean through water and spirit, goes to hell?
          Are you familiar with the concept of baptism by desire?
          Are you quite certain there is no avenue for baptism or purification of original sin as we enter the next life?
          Matthew, 12: 32
          ” Therefore, I say to you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit* will not be forgiven. 32And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.”
          Interesting in the implication that some sins will indeed be forgiven in the age to come.

        119. You realize that Christ instituted a new church, and gave that church an authority the existing (Jewish) church didn’t have? The authority to forgive sins vice having to punish them?

        120. If Jesus forgives us why does he/God send us to Hell to punish us forever?

        121. As pointed out by Romans, you must declare yourself a believer of Christ. Babies can’t do that.

        123. Thanks man. Yeah, I gave up on the lot of these folks. Christ has eternal patience, I, however, do not.

        124. I honestly don’t know. There’s something here that wants to help people, in me. Dunno. But it’s a finite well.

        125. Capitalism is wonderful because it made human slavery economically infeasible.
          Government unfortunately has taken the reigns of the slave-master. But at least we have a chance to fight back.

        129. Look – I’m not a biblical literalist. I’m not going to intelligently argue that every bit of Leviticus and Deuteronomy came word for word from God. This stuff is the historical record of the Hebrews and their budding system of law which was equal to or in some cases superior to what the rest of the world was doing at the time. They were just the first to write it down.

        131. “What does God need with a starship?” – Captain Kirk.
          See, I can use quotes that don’t mean anything too.

        133. Jesus was a communist
          Funny how so many (supposedly) redpill guys still believe in fairy tales, which is bluepill.

        134. No, because wage slavery is cheaper and more cost effective. Plus, my slaves think they are free! Muahahaha

        136. I am Scottish and Greek. MY people had to endure slavery, numerous times. But, WE got over it. Unlike SOME “people”.

        138. What is so bad about homosexuals having sex with each other?
          Well, for one thing, they DIE from it. As well as spreading all kinds of DISEASE to others.

        141. Same things happen to straight people.
          If you’re gonna troll do a better job.

        145. With what? I already know it’s bullshit.
          You’re projecting. You’re scared. It’s okay to have doubts.

      3. Classic cherry-pick.
        That passage is not advocating or suggesting slavery. Slavery already existed and this was just legislation trying to catch up with it. Remember these are very primitive people.

        1. It says you can buy slaves.
          44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
          You can buy FOREIGNERS as property and pass them down to your children.
          Why would a “kind and loving God” not overtly condemn slavery?

        3. Why didn’t God – who can literally do anything – condemn it?
          Why not make an 11th Commandment saying “Thou shalt not own slaves, or own people as property, I am the Lord”?

        4. Because He had no reason to do so. Why should He have? Because it doesn’t fit with your politics? Are you that shallow?

        5. IIRC a jew could only hold another jew as a slave for 7 years.. .old testament stuff.

        8. There are multiple scriptures that talk about being slaves to God (Eph 6, Col 3, 1 Peter 2). God is less concerned with you being a slave to a master but rather what you do with your life.

        10. Why are you not against child porn?
          So many questions.

        11. I am against child porn.
          Are you?
          – See how this gets us nowhere?
          Stop with the red herring fallacy.

        12. YES! THIS!
          So freaking basic and fundamental. God also doesn’t stop you from going out and living from a peg on the side of a mountain either, despite this being almost a suicidal move. It’s how you live your life within the context of the time that was given to you.
          Just so fundamentally easy to grasp, yet you can’t get it through to these people.

        15. We could have stopped with the red herring the moment you posted about “muh slavery”. It doesn’t matter if slavery exists or not to God. What matters is what you do with your life in the time allotted to you. Do you serve God and help bring your “owner” to God, who will judge you well for that, or do you sit and get wretched and bitter and end up in hell?
          Your entire premise is based on a material dialectic. It is false on its face.

        16. Your god is false in it’s face. He/it hasn’t even been proven to be true.

        17. In the same way as someone who speeds. I myself was speeding today and because of that I deserve to go to hell. Why? God commands us to follow the laws of our leaders unless it goes against God’s word which I did. Gay and speeding are both sins and BOTH get you a trip to hell.
          I realize I am a flawed human being and by God’s grace as per the Gospels I am saved from my rightful punishment

        18. I love arguments like this. There’s just as much proof for God as there is for the Big Bang. Prove to me that the Big Bang is true.

        20. I have a post above with more details – God is less concerned with you being a slave or not but rather what you do with your life while you are here. Souls are eternal – in heaven or hell. You have to take the long term view…

        21. No. Choosing to love self over God, giving in to the temptation and committing homosexual acts despite knowing they are offensive to God is to choose to separate yourself from Him, potentially forever.
          However, it becomes more difficult still. In Christ’s account of the judgment He indicates that our love for Him is indicated by our willingness/or lack thereof to do things for others. Feed the hungry, tend the sick, visit the imprisoned, clothe the naked etc. He condemns those who failed to do good things for others. It’s not just about sins of commission, it’s also about sins of omission. Now, Catholics believe in the concept of a purgatory– that some who die will be less than perfect, but not having separated themselves from God. They will undergo some type of purification, coming to grips with God’s will after death, prior to being permitted to enter into heaven.
          We all have our burdens, homosexual urgings are the burdens some have to deal with.

        23. You can’t have the New Testament without the Old Testament, so you’re wrong.
          Read Matthew 5:17-18.

        24. Ok, where is the proof of God? Show me.
          There is evidence for the Big Bang:
          1) Cosmic microwave background radiation
          2) Stars are moving apart.
          3) Ancient “space clouds”

        25. He struggles as do us all, to live out the faith and bear the burdens. He can certainly attain heaven.
          Sex outside of marriage is immoral- regardless of whether it’s straight or gay. A single person struggles with remaining chaste/abstaining from sex. Gay or straight bear a burden in denying themselves in obedience to God. It is about choosing God— if you truly believe the Word and that God does indeed want us to live out our lives in this manner.
          ETA: I would urge them to not just focus on sins of commission, the times they fail. But on the sins of omission– to try and see Christ in others and do things for them. To follow the most important commandment, to love God with all one’s being, and as He said, to show that love by seeing Him in others.

        26. That is circumstantial evidence, and I would note that it is uncertain what it means. For example, the physics have been assumed to apply to the singularity, but under Einstein’s equations, the rules of physics break before the singularity is reached.
          Any of those things you point to could also be “proof” of the existence of God.
          And there is plenty of circumstantial evidence that God exists. Continuing the Big bang discussion – what was there before the singularity? Why did the singularity form? Why did it explode? None of these questions are susceptible to answers. They are literally unknowable. If you want to assume a bunch of things point to the big bang, that’s fine. But a bunch of things about the big bang could be argued to point to the existence of God.

        30. Exactly. In the end, it all comes down to faith.

        31. So that proves what? What caused a pinpoint of stuff to appear out of nowhere and explode?

        32. I don’t know what you’re asking.
          The Big Bang hasn’t been proven yet, neither has God.

        33. Sure it is. If not, what would be?
          Can we observe or replicate the big bang? No. So all we do is look at pieces of circumstantial evidence and make assumptions.
          That’s fine except that the big bang is actually not universally accepted. And at the end of the day, even if it was, it does not disprove the existence of God. Perhaps God made the big bang happen.

        34. No it’s not.
          You just made a giant argument from ignorance. “I don’t how this possibly could have happened so, God did it.”
          It a fallacy.

        35. I don’t know. But that doesn’t mean you can claim that it’s true that God did it.
          That’s a logical fallacy. It’s the argument from ignorance fallacy.

        36. Lol. Says the guy who’s doing the same while simultaneously arguing an appeal to probability AND a conjunction fallacy.

        37. Well, properly addressing that is outside the scope of this thread. You can certainly read volumes of theology on the subject. But it deserves at least a short answer.
          – God’s laws aren’t to spoil our fun, they’re more like warnings to a small child not to touch the stove. You’re trying to protect them.
          – Sex is an incredibly powerful thing. As you’ll see in much of the commentary here, men complain that promiscuity leads to women being unable to truly bond with and commit to a man, and with him their kids and family.
          – It’s far more devastating to break up with someone after a relationship has turned sexual simply because of our chemistry, the bonds that are developed, and the importance society has placed on sex. Which also can lead to people feeling used after a break-up– making people feel that way isn’t being loving towards them. A lot of the feminist false accusations of rape, and especially the concept of regret rape, targeting men is based on the feeling of being used and getting back at men for using them. It highlights the fact that the idea of female promiscuity as some kind of liberation for women is garbage.
          – Kids do far better having both a mother and a father in their home raising them. Pre-marital sex, sex outside of marriage raises the possibility that kids will be placed in that position. Kids in single family homes are far more likely (even accounting for ethnicity, income level, education of parents) to suffer physical, sexual and emotional abuse; they’re more likely to abuse substances and more likely to be involved in violence as both victim and perpetrator. They’re also more likely to develop depression. As a single father, even with their mother being very involved in visiting the kids almost daily, they’ve got serious issues centered around their self-worth. Why weren’t they more important to their mom? What’s wrong with them that “…the truth is she picked other things and other people over me. …. I wasn’t enough to make my own Mother stick around and at the end of the day it hurts… and I don’t know what to do about that.”
          Putting kids in this position is not being loving towards them. At all.
          The logical question arises that if we can eliminate the possibility of a pregnancy, does it become more moral?
          Birth control and abortion turn women into sex objects, allow them to be treated as toys vice seriously considering them as potential partners in raising children and creating a home. Hence all Christian denominations held that birth control was immoral until the ~1920s. Many have changed their position on it since.
          Obviously, you may agree or disagree– but that’s roughly the christian perspective as I understand it. And I’m just a guy on the internet.

        38. What is the conjunction fallacy I’m making?
          There is more valid evidence for the Big Bang than there is for (a) god.

        39. So you believe that you’re just an inherent piece of shit who deserves eternal torture??
          Get help dude.

        41. But if you live life in a way he doesn’t want you to he sends you to be tortured forever.

        42. Can we observe and replicate God. Can we demonstrably test prayer?
          No we can’t. And don’t even use the argument from design, because you still need to prove God is real.

        43. Dude, that’s the whole point of faith. You believe in a god that’s unprovable too, you just call yours “science.” There is plenty of evidence for God all around us, you just choose to attribute it to your science God instead of the traditional Christian God. That’s your choice, but don’t pretend that it’s not a faith based choice.

        44. “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. But you must not buy slaves from the Dark Continent.”

        45. Cosmic microwave background radiation proves nothing.
          Stars are NOT moving apart. Redshift does NOT equal distance/recession.
          “Space clouds” are not so ancient.

        46. First, there was nothing. Then, nothing exploded. Therefore, evolution.
          See, it’s easy. Proves everything.

        47. 1) It proves that the universe is heated, which means there must have been energy for it.
          2) Stars ARE moving apart from each other. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubble%27s_law
          3) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang#Expansion_of_space “These two clouds of gas contain no elements heavier than hydrogen and deuterium.[88][89] Since the clouds of gas have no heavy elements, they likely formed in the first few minutes after the Big Bang, during Big Bang nucleosynthesis.”

        48. 1) Faith is believing something without evidence. That is pure gullibility and stupidity.
          2) Science is not a god.
          3) Show me the proof of God around us or are you talking about the teleological argument? Otherwise you’re just trying to cover up a lie.
          “but don’t pretend that it’s not a faith based choice.”
          – Exactly because FAITH GETS US NOWHERE.
          I know you won’t watch this, but here.

        49. But as I mentioned in my earlier post, Jesus said we show our love for Him by how we treat others. He did teach that loving God with all our being as the most important commandment. Paul insisted that even if we do good things, sell all we have and give them away, if we do not have love as the motivation it is for nothing.
          1 Corinthians, 13 1-3
          “If I speak in human and angelic tongues but do not have love, I am a resounding gong or a clashing cymbal.a
          And if I have the gift of prophecy and comprehend all mysteries and all knowledge; if I have all faith so as to move mountains but do not have love, I am nothing If I give away everything I own, and if I hand my body over so that I may boast but do not have love, I gain nothing.”
          Again, as I mentioned before, in Christ’s account of the judgement in Matthew I may be condemned for my sins of omission– the times I failed to help others, vice the sins of commission-lying, fornicating etc.
          Again– there are books on the subject of salvation, faith, and justification before God. All christians are in agreement that our salvation is only possible through Christ’s sacrifice, His gift to us. His invitation and assurance that it is available to us if we choose to accept it. He was a leader who didn’t just talk the talk, He walked the walk as well. He said no man has greater love for his friends than to lay down his life for them. Then He did it.

        50. So Jesus wants us to love others, but let’s us own slaves.
          If we do love others, but DON’T believe in Jesus, then we still get tortured forever in Hell. Great argument buddy.
          1 Corinthians 6:9 –
          “KJ21
          Know
          ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God? Be
          not deceived: Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor
          the effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,”
          Galatians 5:19-21 – “19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.”

        51. Not an argument, A snippet on theology, a lot of your thoughts are addressed in volumes of work. As I said before, not something that can be fully addressed in a comment thread.
          You also have to decide on what authority you want to rely on in accepting written word as scripture. Than decide on what authority you accept in interpreting it. Are you a ‘sola scriptura’ kind of guy and rely on Martin Luther as authority, or are you a Sacred Tradition kind of guy who believes Christ established a Church with authority, and assurance of proper guidance including interpretation of scripture. Do you agree with rejecting the Apocrypha/deuterocanonical books as Luther did? Adding the word ‘alone’ after ‘saved by faith’?
          .
          Is it possible for someone who has never heard of Jesus to enter into heaven. Some authorities definitively say yes- but the explanation is lengthy on what belief in Jesus really means. Christ said there are many who will believe in Jesus, and even claim mighty deeds in His name who will be condemned, accepting Him, according to some authorities is evidenced by love for our fellow man
          “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father in heaven.Many will say to me on that day, Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name? Did we not drive out demons in your name? Did we not do mighty deeds in your name?’
          Then I will declare to them solemnly, ‘I never knew you.* Depart from me, you evildoers.’ ”
          Again- it comes down to a choice. Christ doesn’t condemn us as much as we choose to reject Him. If we love Him we will keep His commandments- love God with all our heart, love our neighbors/fellow man including our enemies. Note as above, even if I do good things, but not out of love for God and my fellow man than I am nothing. I can’t go around hurting others and claim to love God.
          “If anyone says, “I love God,” but hates his brother, he is a liar; for whoever does not love a brother whom he has seen cannot love God* whom he has not seen.This is the commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother.”
          I can’t preach the word of God to a fellow sinner out of a sense of self-righteousness or contempt for their sins, as if my sins are somehow less objectionable in the eyes of God. I must acknowledge the timber in my eye prior to speaking out of love for and a desire for my fellow man to also know God.

        52. “Is it possible for someone who has never heard of Jesus to enter into heaven.”
          – No it’s not.
          Romans 10:9 – “New International Version
          If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.”
          If you don’t declare Jesus was your savior and believe with all your heart, you can’t be saved. This goes for all the people who don’t know about Jesus, and any babies that couldn’t speak. God’s gonna send babies to be tortured.
          “Christ doesn’t condemn us as much as we choose to reject Him.”
          – This is the classic argument “You send yourselves to Hell by rejecting him”.

          “Again- it comes down to a choice” – Oh yes, that choice of believing something without evidence or being tortured forever. What a choice am I right?
          Come back when you’re done spewing nonsense.

        53. Look man, I really don’t care if you believe or not. You don’t. I do. Whatever. My life goes on and so does yours. No reason to get heated over it.
          I watched your video. They have a very compelling rhetorical technique, but they are ultimately arguing against a straw man (and the person they are arguing against is not smart enough to recognize that). They claim to be making assumptions based on evidence, but then claim there is no evidence for the existence of God on which you could make similar assumptions about his existence as you can make about your phone turning on. Not true. Every day on this planet, billions of organisms, from bacteria to humans, spring to life. Try as we have, no scientist has ever been able to make this occur in a laboratory by simply putting the raw dead ingredients into a sealed environment and adding a stimulus. These guys would claim there is a scientific reason behind it that remains undiscovered. But how many times has that been demonstrated? Zero. Yet they use this same idea is used as a refutation of God, when religious people would look at this same evidence as proof of God’s existence. These guys are just arguing a different faith than the caller.
          You have as much faith as I do, but your god is different. The “science” you believe in is no more susceptible to proof than any of the religion you disparage as a lie. Show me the definitive proof for the big bang. Show me the ability to repeat it, or observe it. Show me the ability to distill what caused it, or what was happening before it. Explain to me why there is a reasonable expectation of this event having happened despite the absence of concrete proof, or the ability to ever have such proof. You cannot. You take on faith that science has these answers, but it doesn’t, because these answers are not susceptible to proof and never will be.
          For the record, I actually love science, and have a science background, though now I am an attorney. I don’t see science and religion as mutually exclusive. Nor did the vast majority of great scientific thinkers until as recently as about three or four decades ago when it became fashionable to reject religion. If you want to see it that way, I don’t really care one way or the other. Neither you, nor I, has any answers to the ultimate questions in life. And neither of our opinions has any ultimate impact on what actually happens when we will die. Both of us take on faith what happens and we simply place our faith in different buckets.

        54. “Every day on this planet, billions of organisms, from bacteria to
          humans, spring to life. Try as we have, no scientist has ever been able
          to make this occur in a laboratory by simply putting the raw dead
          ingredients into a sealed environment and adding a stimulus.”
          1) If by spring to life you mean be born then yes. If you mean just appearing out of thin air then that’s wrong, spontaneous generation is a lie.
          2) You are completely wrong about not creating life, life can come from non-life, given very special circumstances. Look up the Miller-Urey experiments. They proved that with the right conditions, atoms can create (some of) the self-replicating building blocks of life.
          “You have as much faith as I do, but your god is different”
          3) I have no god. You’re being dishonest, or you’re just stupid.
          The “science” you believe in is no more susceptible to proof than any of the religion you disparage as a lie.
          4) Correct. Science is constantly changing it’s mind based on new evidence/proof. Examples: Evolution, the shape of the Earth, vaccines, the solar system.
          “Show me the definitive proof for the big bang.”
          5) There is evidence – the stars are moving apart, the cosmic microwave background radiation – but no confirming proof. This is still more proof/evidence than any religion has ever provided.
          “You take on faith that science has these answers, but it doesn’t,
          because these answers are not susceptible to proof and never will be.”
          6) I don’t take anything on faith because I’m not gullible, and everything in science that has been proven to be true has been demonstrated to be. You’re a liar.
          “Both of us take on faith what happens and we simply place our faith in different buckets.”
          7) No we don’t and fuck off.
          8) You say you have a science background, but you apparently never heard of the Miller-Urey experiments. Fuck off you lying shit.

        55. Wow, so much anger when someone questions your cherished faith. You sure you don’t believe, bro? Or are you actually a woman?
          The Miller Urey experiments did NOT create life. They created amino acids. Congratulations! You fail to understand your own evidence. Keep believing. Faith is a comfort in times of uncertainty.

        56. They created the self-replicating building blocks from life. They showed that life can come from non-life.
          Congrats. You still don’t know anything important in science.
          “Wow, so much anger when someone questions your cherished faith.”
          – I don’t have faith.
          – People with autism need to be told something until they get it less than you do.

        57. “They created the self-replicating building blocks from life. They showed that life can come from non-life.”
          Wrong.
          Amino acids are not a form of life. Nor are they self-replicating. If you have a bowl of Glycine – exactly what was produced by Miller Urey – you don’t have anything that’s alive. And 20 years later, you will still have a bowl of glycine, because it doesn’t self- replicate.
          Those amino acids the Miller Ulrey experiments created didn’t go on to evolve or combine with any other building blocks into anything living. And over a half century later, after numerous other attempts, no one has succeeded in getting those amino acids to spontaneously assemble into the next higher building block necessary for life – proteins. So they showed no such thing, which you would know if you actually understood science. But you don’t understand, you believe.
          So you do have faith. It’s a faith that’s just as closed minded as any other. And like any other zealot, you see the world in terms of people who believe what you do, and everyone else who is wrong. Very sad.

      4. Fair criticism for sure.
        In a larger sense though, Jesus said we’re all slaves to our sin. Even if you consider yourself ‘free’ in the normal sense, you are really a slave to something: money, status, women, drugs, alcohol, porn…shame.
        What good is it to be physically ‘free’ if you are spiritually enslaved?
        But, hell. Most of us are indeed slaves to the corporate way of life in these Unities States. student debt, mortgages, car payments, nasty commutes, soulless jobs, anxiety, depression. Is this really freedom?
        (You may want to look into the Biblical notion of Jubilee in which slaves/indentured servants were freed and debts were forgiven….)

      5. Come to think of it, the Bible is really a study on what true freedom is.
        The Jews were slaves in Egypt for 400 years. But the story doesn’t end with their physical freedom through Moses in the Exodus. There’s some 60 books after that!
        The rest of the Bible is really a study on what true freedom is and how to get it.
        For people who really think they are free, I suppose they have no reason to read it. For people who have a gnawing suspicion that we really are slaves in ways that we don’t understand…it’s probably worth hearing what it has to say.

        1. Thank you for this post, friend. You just gave me the nudge to keep reading the Bible.
          God bless !

  6. Jesus was in fact the first anti-feminist, pro-male activist and the founder of the Patriarchy.
    Long, long time ago on the 21st of June and the 21st of December virgin boys were castrated and bled to death. They were fed to the Mother, sacrificed to her, their blood poured onto the dirt of the fields to enrich the anticipated harvest. This was the cult of the Great Earth Mother which accompanied the emergence of agriculture. She was brutal. She was an odious witch.
    And that’s why men took religion back. That’s how the so-called Patriarchy began.
    Men were sick and tired of having their balls cut off. Literally! Abraham had to be willing to sacrifice his son Isaac before God could be convinced of his loyalty. That was the mindscape of that era – the feminist, Astartian mindscape.
    Then Jesus came along and said, “I am the sacrifice. You don’t have to sacrifice flesh – the boy or the ram who represents the boy – anymore.” And through his crucifixion he both fulfilled and put an end to the cult of Astarte, the Great Mother Earth.
    Jesus had a nomadic disposition. He was no great fan of agriculture. When asked about work he replied, “Who feeds the birds of the sky and clothes the flowers of the fields?” Jesus was not a farmer. He was a fisherman.
    A resurgence of the male energy that motivated pre-agricultural man. Just as early men prayed to the Deer God and ate deer meat, so the cult of Jesus bid devotees to pray to Him and eat His body and drink His blood!
    That’s why Christianity has been so successful. So-called “primitive” people can
    relate to it. It talks to them. The God you pray to feeds you his own body.

      1. Wrong. God, so wrong. You have just demonstrated that you literally know nothing about actual Christianity and have picked up your talking points from some silly atheist site. The amount of ignorance necessary to say that is astounding.

      2. We’ve covered this before!!! You cant have communism without the elevation of State over individual!
        Elective charity is not state-mandated!

      5. Bible warns you of the dangers of comminusim
        “1.Then, six days before the Passover, Jesus came to Bethany, where Lazarus
        lived, whom he had raised from the dead. 2 So they prepared a dinner
        for Jesus there. Martha was serving, and Lazarus was among those present
        at the table with him. 3 Then Mary took three quarters of a pound of
        perfumed oil made of pure nard and anointed the feet of Jesus. She then
        wiped his feet dry with her hair. (Now the house was filled with the
        fragrance of the perfumed oil.) 4 But Judas Iscariot, one of his
        disciples (the one who was going to betray him) said, 5 “Why wasn’t this
        perfumed oil sold for three hundred silver coins and the money given to
        the poor?” 6 (Now Judas said this not because he was concerned about
        the poor, but because he was a thief. As keeper of the money box he used
        to take what was put into it.) 7 So Jesus said, “Leave her alone. She
        has kept it for the day of my burial. 8 For you always have the poor
        with you, but you don’t always have me” ”
        John 12:1-7

    1. Hey, have you ever seen Jesus and Kenny Loggins in the same place at the same time?

  8. I’m going to read this article, but I can hail it just from the title. Whenever I read the new testament, I get an image of a very masculine Jesus. There is one cartoon series we have that is great. Jesus is voiced by an actor with an incredibly masculine voice. And he’s drawn and animated with very manly body language and jesters. It’s the only Jesus I’ve really found appropriate to show my children, other than just reading straight from the bible. I always point out how he very violently threw the money changers out of the temple. These people were probably in the “1%” of Jeruselum. Only the Roman authority and the Jewish priests would have had more standing and power than the money changers and the changers had the permission of both those authorities to be in the temple. It took something very serious to toss them out the door and then proceed to teach for days, unmolested by the authorities.
    I also point out to people whom say, “Jesus said to turn the other cheek,” that yes he did, and he only said to turn it once. Get slapped, turn the other cheek. He gave no instruction on what to do if your enemy slaps you again. Sounds like something only a complete badass would do. I’d be afraid to not knock the guy out then and there if the first slap rattled me at all. Of course, Jesus would have been the most badass of badass if that was his goal. As the son of God he could have called down Angels from heaven or just gone all Hercules on people if he wanted. That is, for the people whom believe he was the son of God. That statement doesn’t apply to anyone whom believes he is a fantasy. Either wasy, that is strength mixed with restraint.
    Of course it’s logical that the strongest person in the world would never feel they had to show their strength. People only show their strength when they feel threatened, including the strong. So only another strong man near the same strength could cause a strong man to show his strength.
    It’s probably clear to all where I stand on the matter.

  9. The fact that Jesus recognized, understood and accepted what he needed to do and then DID it is evidence enough to a sufficient level of masculinity.

    1. I did understand, he did recognize, but he did not accept what he was destined to accomplish.

      1. Didn’t his will ultimately win over his fear?
        After all he always had the clear stated ability to decline it.

        1. And He’s returning to do the second half, which is pretty well understood already. At any time He could have crawled off that cross and smited the entire Roman empire and made it disappear. So really He did in fact pull through with His plan.

        2. What fear?
          My understanding is that he was fighting for his life until the very end.

        3. Because it is only through suffering and resurrection that we received salvation. Without suffering there would be no sacrifice and the entire act would be pointless.

        5. What is the point of ‘stating the facts” if the observations are in direct contradiction to the goals of that which is being observed? You’re basically saying “Cars travel, but I can’t help but notice that their wheels turn on the road”. Well, yeah, that’s how cars manage to, you know, travel.

        6. Any living creature will do that on the instinctive level.
          Besides, part of the sacrifice was not only the loss of life, but the loss of God. That is the earthly hell most men experience at some point in their life. That was the whole “why have you forsaken me” bit.

        9. Is carbon-dating a “fact” or “just [physics] scripture and faith”?

        10. He had a moment of doubt, but in the end he took it like a man. One of the other dudes getting crucified with him was all like “Jesus, cast a spell and let’s get the fuck out of here” and Jesus was all like “No, my dude-bro, I gots to go see my pops and charge up my kung fu so when I come back, I can rain like a 1000 years of pain and frogs on these weak ass bitches.” Or something like that.

        11. Sounds true.
          Could you tell me more about the Yeshua’s “moment of doubt”?
          I don’t like reading scripture myself, but I like hearing others interpret/talk about it.

        13. Sure, he was chilling with his homies in this phat garden area, all lush and shit. It got real late, and his homies started nodding off, which really pissed him off cause he knew the Jooo 5-O was coming for him, and he needed his boys to be on the look out. But he was just chilling, talking to his pops about how much it was going to suck to have a bunch of douche bags kick him in the nuts and nail him to a tree and shit, and so he’s all like “Damn, Pops, why you set me up to take all this heat for you?” But then like as soon as he said it, he knew he was being a big pussy, so he hit the 8-Track player and “Eye of the Tiger” started playing, and he started hitting the heavy bag and jogging, you know, training and shit. Then the big day came and he went up there and the big ass Russian Jooo was all like “I must break you” and Jesus kicked him in the nuts. Or something like that.

        14. Actually yes. But I’m American and grew up in Ohio since third grade, thanks.
          Are my sentences too complex for you or something? I’ll try and simplify them for you in the future. Big words and complex grammar is skeeery.

        15. I’m as pro-science as the next guy, but carbon dating has never been verifiably proven to work past a century or two.

        18. Dude, you should write a Bible of your own for modern kids.
          I’m not joking – I love your style/exposition!

        19. Ah, so basically you’re out of arguments and cannot refute anything I’m saying.
          Funny you’d consider wetbacks to be highly literate and capable of using complex English grammar and words. I’m not seeing the connection here, but then again, as noted, you’re just trying to make this about me so you’re flinging shit at the wall to see what sticks.

        20. It appears our friend here is arguing from an intellectually dishonest position. It always comes back to that with these kind.

        21. Since you came back to your sense, I’ll play along.
          The post I was responding to said: “[Yeshua] accepted what he needed to do”.
          I said: “No, he didn’t” [turns out I was wrong].
          How was it any similar to saying “them wheels are spinning, ’em wheels are spinning!”?

        22. But the scripture was veritably proven to work more than two thousand years later?
          LOL!

        24. Good thing we have over 10 types of dating including radiometric dating.

        26. How the FUCK did you know I was doing that?
          Were you doing it as well?
          “a sailor sees another sailor from afar” kinda thing, right?

        27. Labeling my leading question “a […] disingenuous argument” without any kind of support is, well, disingenuous at best.

        30. “carbon dating has never been verifiably proven to WORK past a century or two” [emphasis added].

        32. Carbon-dating “works” if it can correctly describe the past for us.
          Scripture of the past “works” if it can be a good guide for us today.
          Does it make sense to you?

        34. I care as little about carbon-dating from the far-lost past as I care about thousand-year old scripture.
          Both give me good stories/archetypes to play around with and to weave my net. Kinda like Santa Clause story for the kids. No harm done as long at some point you learn he ain’t real.

        35. Apparently so. Gael-back. Saxon-back. Norse-back. Heh.

        37. Could you remind me what the “argument” was and exactly what you’ve imagined I was “refuting”?

        39. Now that you mentioned, I have read the Gospels again and I have noticed the Lord Jesus’ enormous patience in not using his powers with those damn pharisees.. I mean, they kept following Jesus wherever he went just to challenge him with questions.. like.. there they were, from a distance, trying to find something to bitch about… if I had all that power those dudes would turn into dust instantly..
          yes, He will come again as the Captain of the whole Heavenly Host more masculine than ever before.

        40. A few weeks earlier, Jesus tells Peter that when they go to Jerusalem that He will be killed.
          Peter states the obvious, uh…. how about we just skip the going to Jerusalem thing.
          Jesus, says nope. We’re going, it’s gotta happen.

        41. You don’t know what disingenuous means.
          I should have expanded though.
          Come back to me after consulting the dictionary.

        42. You incorrectly called my comment disingenuous, so I reply with an actually disingenuous comment.
          Come back to me after you wash your mouth from my cum, k, hon?

        43. At no point did I suggest “scripture was veritably proven to work more than two thousand years later” or anything of the sort.

        44. Have any of them been actually verifiably proven to work for periods over a few centuries?

        45. Gotcha.
          I incorrectly inferred you as a Bible Thumper due to some knowledge of the scripture.
          Bad inference. Bad!

        47. Right but I’m pretty sure it really wasn’t intended to. You don’t carbon date something to June 22nd 1942 but with a reasonable amount of accuracy you could carbon date something to, say. The mezazoic era

        49. Those never work out half as well as one might hope. Take a look at The Message “Bible” for a great example of why.
          But, that said, Ainigmaris and I have similar approaches to teaching Scripture, it would seem. I wrote a YouTube comment to an atheist which explained the whole Bible in a similar fashion. It basically went like this:

          God made a good world and put people in it. He said to the man and woman, “Don’t fuck up.” They fucked up, and the whole world got fucked up because of it. Why he let them fuck up, who knows – maybe it makes things interesting, we’ll never know.
          Then God chose the Jews and said, “Here are some simple rules for how not to fuck up.” They proceeded to do just about nothing but fuck up for a few thousand years. Some have argued that God picked the Jews because he knew how colossally they’d fuck up.
          Jesus came and told the Jews, “Y’all fucked up.” They killed him for it. He got better and told his disciples, “Alright, just try not to fuck up. I got you covered when you do, but keep trying.”
          Since then, Christians have continued to fuck up over the centuries (though, it could be argued, a lot less than the Jews have), but we know Jesus has us covered.

        50. Speed, blind, first, lunch, brunch, dinner there are many types

        51. Disingenuous means inconceivable right?
          “I do not think this word means what you think this word means”

        52. I have heard there are complicating factors with those. Water apparently really throws off dating – we have some artifacts whose origin is known, but whose C14 dating puts them thousands of years older than that. And, for some reason, our dating suggests the Mount St. Helens eruption of the 80’s happened tens of thousands of years ago.
          All this to say, it’s not so simple as we’d all like to think.

        54. Well, at that point carbon dating falls apart. IIRC, the half-life of C14 makes it so there’s just nothing left after 50k years or so.
          Even so, it requires that we know how much C14 was present in the original sample. We know how much there is today, so we can extrapolate back for recent objects, but over vast timescales there are any number of events that could skew the original content.
          It just gets messy past a few centuries.

        55. It means intentionally being insincere. In a sense leaving out something on purpose.
          Which is the way I took his comparison. He knows they both arent the same thing.
          I hate semantics !!!!

        58. Exactly how did they fuck up in Exodus?
          They successfully reached the Promised Land [TM], haven’t they?

        59. I thought of you the other day was reading about the ketogenic diet !!!
          I still maintain carbs arent the enemy(not in a blanket way,I believe balance is the key) and more than anything I’m very skeptic of diet fads but If you could point me in the right direction I’d like to make a more informed opinion for myself one way or the other.

        60. One of the most accessible resources I read was Gary Taubes’ “Good Calories, Bad Calories”. His work is pretty easy to read and well-researched, so I’d recommend starting there.
          A few other names worth researching are Kwazniewski (a clinical doctor who formulated an “optimal diet” ratio that matches the research I’ve done), Denise Minger (who refuted the China Study – a study on the pros of carbs – using the study’s own data), and Petro Dobromylskyj (a researcher and vet whose work is dense but worthwhile).

        61. Not in Exodus, they didn’t. God told them to go in, they pussed out, and he condemned that entire generation to die in the desert.
          Also, they saw God part the Red Sea and lead them as a pillar of cloud and fire, but they still built idols the second Moses’ back was turned.

        63. What value would that have? If I am not saved, I am already damned – Satan has no need for my sacrifice. If I am saved, I do not own myself and so cannot sacrifice myself – Satan gains nothing.

        64. Indeed, having the ability to avoid all pain but choosing to persevere is what needs true inner strength.

        65. Thank you taignobias !!!
          I’ll have a sift through them and see what I think.

        66. I always like pointing people to sources where I have found truth. These guys, among others, gave me my life back.
          I was overweight and dealt with rage and anxiety issues as well as lifelong migraines (basically never-ending). My dad’s research into nutrition, which I followed for a few years, revealed that my problems were linked both to poor nutrition (particularly the fats I consumed) and gluten-intolerance. I went keto for a month and kept my diet along the guidelines we derived from the sources I provided among others, and my life improved immeasurably.
          So, I love helping people along the same road. Whether you have the same particular problems I did (odds are, you don’t), you’ll gain value.

        67. Well, the bible states that he always has the ability to avoid the entire situation by calling angels.
          “Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?”
          Matthew 26:35
          Also, further in the garden of gethsemane the bible mentions how he goes through all the stages of a person facing a dire fate as he reconsolidates his decision.

        68. “Not my will, but yours be done.”
          He could have walked away. He didn’t have to be born. He didn’t have to submit to the authorities. He didn’t have to take their beatings. He didn’t have to hang there on the cross. He didn’t have to die.
          But he did what was required of him, and apart from his prayers he showed no fear or complaint.

        69. Carbs aren’t the enemy. The point is to manipulate your body to get desired results. There is nothing that is the enemy in a blanket way but if you are eating carbs you shouldn’t have so much fat
          If you want to get a look st keto start at ruled.me
          For me I am able to gain muscle, lose fat, increase strength and energy while not feeling hungry when I am on keto. Your mileage may vary. There is no one option for everyone but keto isn’t a fad. Totally depleting the human body of carbohydrates while increasing protein and fat has a specific effect. If you like this effect then keto is for you

        71. Jesus didn’t have fear, to fear is to sin. He knew he had authority over the enemy, which is what the enemy fears most about us. He does not want us to know the authority we have over him.

        72. Interesting.
          ” he always has the ability to avoid the entire situation”
          is not how I read the Matthew 26:35 you quote.

        76. You are like the first dude here who took some rubbing with humour, instead of turning into a sourpuss and taking a knee.
          Very refreshing!

        79. IIRC, God punished Miriam (who was otherwise a prophet and sister to prophets Moses and Aaron) for whining about Moses once. She almost died, but Moses begged God to let her live.
          I mean, these stereotypes of Jews aren’t new.

        80. I feel like if somebody can’t take a good-hearted joke [Jews re: gas ovens, women re: rape, etc.], they still have lotsa healing to do!

        81. I love it when you talk all reasonable like that to me !!!!!
          Nah but seriously I can live with that statement. I just hate when people jump on bandwagons and wont budge. I’ve come across it a good bit lately and want to make an informed decision.
          I could do with some weight loss but I love rice,pasta,potaoes etc so I think I’ll find it hard tbh.

        82. Judging by your argument, your mother must have taken a mere 40 days to gestate you!

        83. – What’s the difference between a white Jew and a black Jew?
          – A black one gets to sit in the back of the oven!

        84. Try ditching the pasta first. There’s evidence to suggest wheat is more prone to encourage overeating than other sources of carbs (except, perhaps, sugars). Wheat has addictive properties that potatoes don’t, so you might find that getting those out of your diet first makes further carb restriction more tolerable.

        85. I love that stuff too. I can’t maintain keto but I set goals. 12 weeks until my birthday or vacation or whatever I run keto

        86. Yeah sounds like the way to approach it. I don’t have much to lose really but Like the idea of speeding it up.
          Thanks.

        90. He didn’t fear the enemy, sure, but he feared what he knew he had to endure.

        91. That’s how I always took it.
          Not only could all the horrors humanity could inflict not truly kill him, but he had been quite clear that he would be coming back.. and that it wouldn’t be pretty when he did. (I think? I’m not an expert in theology lol)

        93. Is it bad that I think the bible translated into more modern phrasing like this would probably appeal to a lot more people lmfao

        94. I am enjoying these “biblebonics” – as ghost called them – way too much.

        97. very similar to young bem – overweight, depressed, low-T behavior….
          and a GLUT of bad carbs and fats.

        98. Christianity loses me a little there.
          Christ sacrifices himself upon the cross to pay for the sins of humanity.
          Yet when he returns, masses of us will be sentenced to eternal damnation?

        99. I just realized “the scribes” were probably the mainstream media of his day…and the pharisees were the elite….

        100. The problem is that the churches preach easy Grace — the idea that God loves everybody and that Jesus’ going to the Cross meant that everybody’s sins are now paid for.
          That’s not really the picture painted in the Bible. Only those who repent and turn to God in faith are saved from what is coming.
          The churches have a lot to answer for…

      2. Well it took some soul-searching in Gethsemane, but in the morning he sacked up and got nailed.

        1. You might as well be right.
          Could you refresh that story-line for me, por favor?

        2. not very well. I’m a piss-poor biblical scholar.
          My understanding is simply that the night before he gave himself up, he pleaded with the Father to let him off the hook. Or something like that.

        5. I’m a piss-poor biblical scholar myself, so I ask questions.
          The guy up the thread expanded on something similar and now it all makes much more sense.
          Gracias!

        6. He sacked up that evening according to Him. When someone defending Him from being taken drew a sword and cut off the ear of one of those who’d come to take Jesus, Jesus stated that He could call upon legions of angels to stop it. He refrained from doing so.

    2. Additional evidence of Christ’s masculinity: women adored him. Followed him. Served him in life and even in death. That’s why they were the first witnesses to the Resurrection.

        3. Damn, I think I’m gonna make one of my plates do that shit, now.

        5. When the guys make fun of me for getting weekly manicure/pedicure I remind them that if foot baths are good enough for JC they are good enough for me

        6. Like the ugly cockblockers, I think it is often done out of jealousy. Like getting your hair washed by a good looking girl prior to a haircut, it sounds like a pleasant experience. I wouldn’t make it a financial priority, but if that is your thing, more power to you.

        7. Don’t raccoons also bathe their food?
          (Typos, always an opportunity for merriment)
          lolknee has made this comment irrelevant via correcting his type. Please ignore…

        8. Any man that makes fun of your mani/pedis is an absolute fool; he’s missing out on hours of delightful foot-massaging.
          I’m sure I don’t have to tell you: a lady appreciates well-pedicured man-feet!

        10. A plate of mine had a dream that she were washing my feet and sucking my toes.
          It was 100% prophetic!

        12. Do you need a good “stethoscope”?
          I’ve got one out and ready for you!

        13. Foot massage == wheat
          Toxic paint == chaff.
          Do we have a common understanding, Mrs Ratched?

        14. “Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth.”
          ― Oscar Wilde

        15. “A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects.”
          ― Robert A. Heinlein

        16. “It is absurd to divide people into good and bad. People are either charming or tedious.”
          ― Oscar Wilde, Lady Windermere’s Fan

        17. “Misogynist: A man who hates women as much as women hate one another.”
          ― H.L. Mencken

        21. “That woman is by nature intended to obey is shown by the fact that every woman who is placed in the unnatural position of absolute independence at once attaches herself to some kind of man, by whom she is controlled and governed; this is because she requires a master. If she, is young, the man is a lover; if she is old, a priest.”
          What kind of master do you choose? A lover or a lover?

        22. Does this also mean you like to bump uglies in masks?
          I’m into that.
          Sorry.
          Not!

        24. You are a psych nurse, aren’t you?
          The last one that aimed for my cock was snorting Avitan. Can you believe THAT?
          I can understand snorting Oxys – if that’s your thing – but she crossed the line with Avitan!

        25. This is all true. Not only is it a true weekly delight but women notice well groomed nails and appreciate the feet as well

        26. I’ll have you massage and pedicure my feet.
          Come see me in Brooklyn two weeks from today.

        28. I will sire a child with you so that you learn to love a woman other than yourself as much as I love you already.

        30. “A fanatic is one who can’t change his mind and won’t change the subject.”
          ― Winston S. Churchill

        31. Then I’m a fan[atic] of yours, even though I’d prefer you used your own tongue when working all over me rather than Churchill’s.

        32. How much do you wanna bet I’ll be deep inside you a fortnight from now?

        33. A married childless 45-year old psych nurse has just said yes to my proposal!
          I must be the happiest man on planet Earth!
          Grazie!

        34. It really is true. Having pedicured feet says someone about the level of attention a man pays to thing.
          If a girl sees a man with well pedicured feet she is free to assume he keeps a clean home and has his life together

        37. A woman who sees a man with normally trimmed toes, on the other hand, assumes that she needs to be the woman and keep his house for him in order to attract him.
          Heh.

        38. Oh you country boys and your closet homosexuality you wouldn’t last a day in the civilized world

        39. Yeah, it’s homo to want a girl to clean your house and fix your meals, and then fuck your brains out, brah. Heh.

        41. Hmmm…interesting place to meet women.
          What patterns do you choose for your toenails? LOL!

        42. Lol. I meet a fuck ton of women that way and also believe the mani pedi to be the a bomb of first reads
          1) dread game get nsils. Girls care
          2) offer to take her. Throws her totally off guard.
          3) get cocktail first let her hsmpster spin on how different you are
          4) force intimacy with shoes off and in water
          5) getting to know you convo happens while having feet and legs massaged and cared for
          6) sensuality factor of the joint rub down
          7) leave for drinks having done a unique first date, forcing intimacy and taking her off her guard
          I use this sparingly and has closed with 100% success rate
          On top of the the benefits of having manicured nails and cuticles and the general sense of cleanliness are great
          As for patterns? It’s seasonal baby lol

        43. Another funny thing btw: all kidding and internet bravado aside I am genuinely jacked with low body fat, a lot of vasculatity and really dense musculature. When I show up in shorts and a tank top for an hour or so of foo foo pampering in a posh Manhattan nail salon I draw attention and its fucking great

        44. Seems to me that by the time you’re barefoot with a woman, the seduction is pretty much over….
          Its like having “handsome balls”

        46. “a lady appreciates well-pedicured man-feet!”
          is the lady willing to do the work necessary for her man to have well-pedicured feet?
          That’s the question that the lady needs to answer first.

        48. I changed my mind – can you believe that?
          I will NOT spread your thighs – not now – not ever!
          But I would love to chat with you in private.
          Drop me an e-mail at [email protected] and we’ll take it from there.
          p.s. I’m sure I don’t have to tell you who I am, right, caro?

        49. Awe…Mr. bem…that’s pretty rude, dude…
          “I’m a rude dude, but I’m the real deal. Lean and mean! Cocked, locked and ready-to-rock. Rough, tough and hard to bluff. I take it slow, I go with the flow, I ride with the tide. I’ve got glide in my stride. Drivin and movin, sailin and spinin, jiving and groovin, wailin and winnin. I don’t snooze, so I don’t lose. I keep the pedal to the metal and the rubber on the road. I party hearty and lunch time is crunch time. I’m hangin in, there ain’t no doubt and I’m hangin tough, over and out!”
          ― George Carlin

        53. Not to dis the idea of well-groomed feet but the way I dress, 90% of the time, if my shoes are off, its already a done deal.

        54. Same here. I also wear really good underwear. You build from the foundation up. Even the things that people don’t see matter…and sometimes they matter more than most. I absolutely won’t fuck with a girl that doesn’t have immaculate nails in the same way that I won’t eat in a restaurant that doesn’t have an immaculate bathroom. If a restaurant doesn’t bother keeping the bathroom (that everyone will see) clean then you know their kitchen is garbage and if a woman doesn’t keep her nails immaculate knowing everyone sees them then you know everything about her is also trash.
          That said, the pride one takes in himself to build from the ground up such that the stuff that Isn’t on display (like the kitchen, the toenails or the junk) until the deal is closed is, in itself, something that shines through. If you don’t care about your own personal grooming habits because other people don’t always see them then that shows through and women, for all their little flaws, are very sensitively tuned to stuff like that.

        55. Agreed. A woman who pays attention to the details is much more likely to be worthy of my continued attention, unless she is a borderline/narcissist, but those are pretty easy to spot.
          You might have puked a little when you saw the grungy nails of the hardbody I took back to my tent at the rock climbing festival two weekends back. After a day spent climbing, campfire-ing and camping with no running water, hers were wrecked. But we were in the back country so…ya. If I see her again in Seattle and she is grungy…no, just no.

        56. lol you just said a bunch of my trigger words
          grungy
          bad nails
          camping
          no running water
          Seattle.
          These are all things that are on my “avoid at all costs list” however, if you do see her and she has cleaned up nice when in Seattle good for you as you will have a hardbody who enjoys the same hobbies as you and, as far as I am able to tell from my short visit there many years ago, you will have found the one woman in seattle worthy of putting a dick in

        57. Ya, the women I meet in the mountains are usually two types; They live like they are camping 24/7- yuck, or they are otherwise clean, “decent” women who happen to enjoy climbing.
          Either way, all of the skier/snowboarder/mountaineer/climber women I meet share a couple characteristics; they are SUPER, rock-hard ultra fit, my #1 fav, they tend to have a little money as these hobbies aren’t cheap (also a good sign), and they have no bust line- bummer, which is a tad awkward when the tops come off.
          Even better is that they are involved in an activity where NONE of the guys have any game.

        59. Game techniques in an article about the messiah. Lol only in the manosphere.

      3. And it is not as if he put up with their shit, either.
        -Go now, and sin no more!- Christ said to the hooker.
        He loved women and they loved him back.
        Total alpha.
        And he was not shy to tell the Jews that they are wrong…

        2. He did say something about fatties, too, didn’t he?
          Unfortunately I can not quote the Bible by heart.

        3. Yeah! He called them the Synagog of Satan which may or may not be modern-day masons….

    4. We got to see so many deep aspects of Jesus’ life and mindset that we can easily discern his masculinity:
      – He was always focused on his kingdom
      – He was skilled both in rhetoric and dialectic, and used both skills toward his purposes
      – He wielded his divine powers for his purposes, often simply to illustrate the point (take, for instance, the Canaanite woman or the woman who touched the hem of his robes)
      – He was ZFG (insulted the pharisees and teachers of the law, hung out with tax collectors and zealots alike, etc.)
      – He kept his private reservations away from others, and both accepted what he could not change and worked on what he could
      – He took his drumhead trials and sentencing with quiet strength
      – He protected children (“Suffer the children to come unto me and hinder them not,” “It would be better to have a millstone tied around your neck and be cast into the sea…”)
      Jesus was not merely both God and Man; he was an exceptional man.

    5. Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, “My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will.”
      ‘My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?’
      Jesus didn’t want it. Also, how can God forsake God? And if God wants the cup to be passed, Jesus would have done so, cuz they’d be the same thing.

      1. It’s worth noting, about that second quote, that prior to numbering passages were referenced by key phrases.
        ‘Eli, Eli, Lama Sabbachthani’ is the traditional name for Psalm 22, which reflects exactly the suffering and death of Christ and the first few chapters of Acts.

      2. I always took the ‘why have you forsaken me’ as an indication that He was truly fully God and fully man. As a man, He knew the feeling of despair. It also echoes a psalm, don’t remember which one.

    6. Well in that case, Prophet Muhammad was as Masculine as they ever could come.

      1. It the race of prophets Muhammad came in second just by a hair
        But that’s ok because he likes coming in a little behind

      2. ypu mean the guy that killed prisoners, defenseless childrens? no way dude

  10. Boutta go full Martin Luther and nail this to the doors of some low-t churches.

      1. It’s kind of nice when insanity of the modern life floats up to the very surface so that you don’t have to dig deep into its shitty ways of being!

  14. Interesting article, but kind of unnecessary for me a when I hear the b.s. from liberals about J.C. the hippie/easy going/socialist I just reply “That’s part of the reason I’m an atheist.” :).
    P.S. take it easy on the money-changers/businessman! 🙂

  15. This is one thing that needs to be taught over and over. What is beta is the modern churches that reflect on society, rather than the gospel.

  16. Jesus was a […] MAN.
    [emphasis added].
    THIS is the most important part of the article.
    The rest is mental masturbation/reading on tea leaves.

      1. nothing so glamorous….probably just a misguided kid looking for answers in his/her atheist phase, taking pot-shots at those who think differently…

        1. if he or she just googles what I’ve just written for 2 hours, all of that misguidance will evaporate.
          Bomm-bap !

  19. This article should’ve been written 4 years ago.
    Can we take it to the next level please, people ?
    LET’s MAKE A DECLARATION OF ROK people, of RED PILL KINGS WHO EDUCATE OTHER MEN TO BE KINGS !
    You know ???
    Come on already, we’re wasting daylight !
    Christianity Prevails !
    Can we already identify with the Christian Virtue and Values already ?
    You know why ???
    BECAUSE ONCE YOU FOLLOW GOD’s RULES [ 10 commandments ] you receive the HOLY GRACE !
    And then….you can see the blind ones and the evil ones.
    AND YOU CAN TAKE ACTION !
    COME ON !!!
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/512914f72c0aa4981da38974a98861fd1cd3cad4da1c66a8d0e5a588bc30ca15.jpg

      1. Revelation 3:16
        ,,So, because you are lukewarm–neither hot nor cold–I am about to spit you out of my mouth.”

        2. Okay, so I’m trying to teach you something and show you some divine light and here you are posting a picture from a movie telling me it’s a quote from a script some scriptwriter placed in there from the Bible just so the portrayed character would appear to have a more masculine conviction.
          You new age kids, you deserve a fucking beating.

        3. I’m over 40, and I’d LOVE to see you try. And as far as your “divine light” if YOU’RE going to be in heaven I’d rather not spend eternity with you.
          To quote another movie “Lighten up Francis.” 🙂

        4. you’re very combative online. I have a deep loathing going on for your kind.
          Read a book and make a family, stop being a witness to the evils of the world and do something.

        5. You’re offering beatings and I’M the combative one?? That’s rich. I wish I could say I’m surprised by your hypocrisy but then you’re like many “christians” I’ve met. As far as doing something people like you are evil, the pathetic thing is you think you are good.

        6. What’s with all the hate, mate ?
          After a good beating I would probably buy you a beer…
          Sheesh…guys these day can’t take a punch or a joke.

        7. You realize:
          1) You are (figuratively) shouting at me for raising my voice.
          2) You said you have a loathing for my “kind”, then accuse me of “hate”.
          3) I made light of what you said initially and YOU offered the beating.
          Are you suffering from multiple personality disorder? Is there more than person working your profile.
          PS joke to begin:
          If you’re going to beat me, quote bible verses and spring for beer, I hope you won’t mind any unintentional erections I may get.
          Joke has now concluded. 🙂

        10. how the hell should I know…I ain’t your priest.
          You should know that by your self, why you are asking strange people on the internet ?

  20. He lived at home till he was 33,his mother was a whore,he lived with his step father and not his biological father,never had a woman,he liked to bondage and sadomasochism,he drank wine and not beer,he had long hair and a hipster beard,
    He was a motherfucking FAGGOT

    2. You’re supposed to put “TM” and credit the source when you rip shit off directly from The Young Turks.

      1. hahahahahaha you think the young turks came up with that ????
        I wouldnt even claim it as an original thought. I’m sure hundreds of thousands of people over the years broke jesus life down to basic modern seminal moments.
        And what the fuck are you watching them clowns for anyway ????

    5. I think he lived with his mom only til he was 30 – that’s when he got Baptized and started preaching the “good word”.
      LOL!

      1. I think he lived with his mom only til he was 30
        well he WAS jewish after all….

        1. I have a Jewish mom. You can’t imagine the kind of energetic hooks she put into me over the past thirty four years!
          Might be worse than hanging on a cross for a couple of hours [j/k].

        2. Well, it was the Jewish tradition that the son take care of the mother after the father died. Not much about Joseph in the Bible after Jesus stayed behind in the temple at about ~12 yrs of age.

  22. Great article, Jesus Christ has to be considered one of the greatest revolutionaries for the individual..Truly an incredible life that taught the world so much, his even wisdom is applicable to any future epoch of time.

  24. The churches are a reflection of the people in your community. If you live in a leftist city full of weaklings, you will get a church like that. Go to a conservative area, and things will be better. Where I grew up, and where I am now, both have masculinity in the churches. When I lived in Orem, UT…..let’s just say the Boy Scouts were in for a rude awakening when I was called into that position.

    1. not really….most conservatives today as pussies. they are like the little poodle i used to have. she barked up a damn storm. but she was older than our two mastiffs by many years.
      one day the mastiffs finally had enough, and snapped back, scared the hell out of her….a few minutes later the poodle is barking again….at least until she got within range of a mastiff who simply looked at her then she shut up again.
      rinse repeat.
      the point? conservatives today are often like that old poodle. bark a lot, when confronted by the mean mastiff of liberalism, they cower like pussies.

  25. Below is the full text of the July 14, 1555 Papal Bull on the Jew problem.
    Since it is completely senseless and inappropriate to be in a situation where Christian piety allows the Jews (whose guilt-all of their own doing-has condemned them to eternal slavery) access to our society and even to live among us; indeed, they are without gratitude to Christians, as, instead of thanks for gracious treatment, they return invective, and among themselves, instead of the slavery, which they deserve, they manage to claim superiority: we, who recently learned that these very Jews have insolently invaded Rome from a number of the Papal States, territories and domains, to the extent that not only have they mingled with Christians (even when close to their churches) and wearing no identifying garments, but to dwell in homes, indeed, even in the more noble [dwellings] of the states, territories and domains in which they lingered, conducting business from their houses and in the streets and dealing in real estate; they even have nurses and housemaids and other Christians as hired servants. And they would dare to perpetrate a wide variety of other dishonorable things, contemptuous of the name Christian. Considering that the Church of Rome tolerates these very Jews (evidence of the true Christian faith) and to this end [we declare]: that they, won over by the piety and kindness of the See, should at long last recognize their erroneous ways, and should lose no time in seeing the true light of the catholic faith, and thus to agree that while they persist in their errors, realizing that they are slaves because of their deeds, whereas Christians have been freed through our Lord God Jesus Christ, and that it is unwarranted for it to appear that the sons of free women serve the sons of maids. [Therefore,]
    Desiring firstly, as much as we can with [the help of] God, to beneficially provide, by this [our decree] that will forever be in force, we ordain that for the rest of time, in the City as well as in other states, territories and domains of the Church of Rome itself, all Jews are to live in only one [quarter] to which there is only one entrance and from which there is but one exit, and if there is not that capacity [in one such quarter, then], in two or three or however many may be enough; [in any case] they should reside entirely side by side in designated streets and be thoroughly separate from the residences of Christians, [This is to be enforced] by our authority in the City and by that of our representatives in other states, lands and domains noted above.
    Furthermore, in each and every state, territory and domain in which they are living, they will have only one synagogue, in its customary location, and they will construct no other new ones, nor can they own buildings. Furthermore, all of their synagogues, besides the one allowed, are to be destroyed and demolished. And the properties, which they currently own, they must sell to Christians within a period of time to be determined by the magistrates themselves.
    Moreover, concerning the matter that Jews should be recognizable everywhere: [to this end] men must wear a hat, women, indeed, some other evident sign, yellow in color, that must not be concealed or covered by any means, and must be tightly affixed [sewn]; and furthermore, they can not be absolved or excused from the obligation to wear the hat or other emblem of this type to any extent whatever and under any pretext whatsoever of their rank or prominence or of their ability to tolerate [this] adversity, either by a chamberlain of the Church, clerics of an Apostolic court, or their superiors, or by legates of the Holy See or their immediate subordinates.
    Also, they may not have nurses or maids or any other Christian domestic or service by Christian women in wet-nursing or feeding their children.
    They may not work or have work done on Sundays or on other public feast days declared by the Church.
    Nor may they incriminate Christians in any way, or promulgate false or forged agreements.
    And they may not presume in any way to play, eat or fraternize with Christians.
    And they cannot use other than Latin or Italian words in short-term account books that they hold with Christians, and, if they should use them, such records would not be binding on Christians [in legal proceedings].
    Moreover, these Jews are to be limited to the trade of rag-picking, or “cencinariae” (as it is said in the vernacular), and they cannot trade in grain, barley or any other commodity essential to human welfare.
    And those among them who are physicians, even if summoned and inquired after, cannot attend or take part in the care of Christians.
    And they are not to be addressed as superiors [even] by poor Christians.
    And they are to close their [loan] accounts entirely every thirty days; should fewer than thirty days elapse, they shall not be counted as an entire month, but only as the actual number of days, and furthermore, they will terminate the reckoning as of this number of days and not for the term of an entire month. In addition, they are prohibited from selling [goods put up as] collateral, put up as temporary security for their money, unless [such goods were] put up a full eighteen months prior to the day on which such [collateral] would be forfeit; at the expiration of the aforementioned number of months, if Jews have sold a security deposit of this sort, they must sign over all money in excess of the principal of the loan to the owner of the collateral.
    And the statutes of states, territories and domains (in which they have lived for a period of time) concerning primacy of Christians, are to be adhered to and followed without exception.
    And, should they, in any manner whatsoever, be deficient in the foregoing, it would be treated as a crime: in Rome, by us or by our clergy, or by others authorized by us, and in the aforementioned states, territories and domains by their respective magistrates, just as if they were rebels and criminals by the jurisdiction in which the offense takes place, they would be accused by all Christian people, by us and by our clergy, and could be punished at the discretion of the proper authorities and judges.
    [This will be in effect] notwithstanding opposing decrees and apostolic rules, and regardless of any tolerance whatever or special rights and dispensation for these Jews [granted] by any Roman Pontiff prior to us and the aforementioned See or of their legates, or by the courts of the Church of Rome and the clergy of the Apostolic courts, or by other of their officials, no matter their import and form, and with whatever (even with repeated derogations) and with other legally valid sub-clauses, and erasures and other decrees, even [those that are] “motu proprio” and from “certain knowledge” and have been repeatedly approved and renewed. By this document, even if, instead of their sufficient derogation, concerning them and their entire import, special, specific, expressed and individual, even word for word, moreover, not by means of general, even important passages, mention, or whatever other expression was favored, or whatever exquisite form had to be retained, matters of such import, and, if word for word, with nothing deleted, would be inserted into them in original form in the present document holding that rather than being sufficiently expressed, those things that would stay in effect in full force by this change alone, we specially and expressly derogate, as well as any others [that might be] contrary to them.
    Declared at St. Mark’s, Rome, in the one thousand five hundred fifty fifth year of the incarnation of Our Lord, one day prior to the Ides of July, in the first year of our Papacy.

    2. I will save this text for a later re-read.
      In the meantime, and as a thank you herewith a piece of forbidden information for you:
      Putin is jewish
      Erdogan is jewish.
      Good luck and Godspeed !

  27. The problem isn’t who Jesus was but what the feminized contemporary Church makes him out to be.
    Its all that BS, Promise Keepers type church that drives men away. Its revolting. I love Jesus but many of his followers are terrible and push potential converts away.

    1. It’s terrible how distorted the Biblical picture of Jesus has become.
      The link in my comment above might interest you.

  28. What about the Catholics? In the Catholic Church, the most available forgiving figure is Mary, not Jesus.
    Catholics pray more to Mary than to Jesus. It took six hundred years for Mary to creep back into the Catholic observance, and can you guess who Mary is? Mary is Astarte, minus temple prostitution. Mary is a JEWISH MOTHER.
    Catholics refer to their church as the Mother Church. Does the Pope wear a dress and garnish himself with jewels?

    2. I never understood the Catholic Church and praying to Mary. Also God said to not have any graven images which from my understanding is a carving and churches are riddled with them. Catholic Churches for sure, I always see them bowing to statues of Mary.

      2. I spent two years in Ireland, talking to Catholics about religion. Even converted a few. I don’t get it either. No real consensus on Mary’s role among the Catholics.

    3. I’m cool with Catholics. They seem more Christian than most other Christians these days and they still support traditional gender roles.

    4. The Roman Mary has the title “The Queen of Heaven”.
      …That in and of itself should ring alarm bells.
      The Biblical Mary is quite different from Rome’s Mary…

  29. Believe it or not, some people know all they care to know about Jesus, and we still don’t find him worth worrying about. If you don’t believe that Jesus has terrifying supernatural powers, and that he’ll punish you in the afterlife for not loving him, kind of like Roko’s Basilisk, then what does he have left?

  30. Jesus didn’t suffer that badly, considering all the things the Romans could have done to him. They could have gang-raped him, water-boarded him, beaten him repeatedly, deprived him of sleep for days at a time, burned him with hot irons, and otherwise inflicted all kinds of pretty horrific things that wouldn’t have killed him right away.
    They could also have seized the women he cared about and raped them while making him watch.

  31. So, you go to a church….you are kind of disappointed at the wussiness of the preacher and congregation. You looked at the other local churches and found they are similar. What to do?
    Maybe talk to the preacher and volunteer in some aspect.
    Maybe befriend some of the men in your congregation and do some masculine things.
    Maybe get involved in Sunday School lessons and speak up on points.
    Or, you can go home, and bitch about it to your wife and colleges on the computer.

    1. This simple approach can be applied to every source of dissatisfaction.
      Yet the actually “doing” seems to elude so many!

      1. Last year, our elders quorum (adult men) held a baseball game with burgers when we were done. Not a huge undertaking, but it really helped build friendships. We are planning to repeat again.

  32. The part of the story about rushing Jesus’ crucifixion before the start of the sabbath doesn’t make any sense.
    One, Jewish superstitions about the sabbath didn’t bind the Romans, and they ran the country, so they could have kept Jesus’ body on the cross after sundown on Friday if they wanted to.
    But if they had to go along with these superstitions for political reasons, they still faced no urgency to crucify Jesus that day, on a Friday. They could have kept him locked up over the sabbath, then nailed him to a cross bright and early on Sunday morning, when they had a block of days ahead to keep him up there until he had clearly died and his body had begun to decompose.

  33. Any Christian man must be a strong masculine man, as the Lord intended. Ready to be called upon to go to war at any time. Ready to kill and be killed if necessary. God’s tactics of war are somewhat more peaceful in the last days than they were, but that does not change who we are meant to be.
    The effeminate will not inherit the kingdom of God.
    1 Corinthians 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
    This verse even says that being effeminate is unrighteous.
    A bit more on topic, here is a verse which shows just how great our Lord and saviour is.
    John 2:4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.

    1. The effeminate will not inherit the kingdom of God.

      Because nobody will. For once the bible makes a demonstrably true statement.

      1. You should read proverbs. There are many demonstrably true statements there.

  34. Oy vey!
    Remember kids, Jesus was a soft man who loved the jews! He died for us!
    Running into the temple and beating them was a mistake!
    Remember to support Israel! That’s what Jesus would do!

  35. Jesus overemphasizes one aspect of being a man, putting up with suffering and bullshit. Granted, putting up with suffering and bullshit is part of being a man, but it is not everything. Sometimes you should “put up with it,” but you often should not. Granted, even Jesus had his limits as shown with the money changers.
    I think men can learn a lot of good lessons from Jesus on how to put up with suffering when needed. I would not recommend modeling your whole life after Jesus’ though.

    1. Truth.
      A man has many faces/facets and to see a Warrior-King in Yeshua [as somebody did up the thread] is pure insanity.
      There are lessons to be learnt from Yeshua [forgiveness, compassion, resurrection], but modeling one’s life after him – unless you actually a similarly fated Priestly Preacher – is really really really dumb!

  36. I’m pretty sure Jesus lifted. Every picture or sculpture I’ve seen of him on the cross showed that he was pretty ripped.

      1. I’ve seen some pics of guys doing the same in PI — where they actually nail them to the cross. Tough bunch.

    3. Somebody should have told him there are better ways to stretch one’s pecs!

  38. The constructive aspect of this commentary thread is almost inexistant with very few mentionable contributors.
    Author ! Author !
    We need another article were you invite the people [ we ] to contribute to the image of Jesus.
    The image, no doubt has been distorted, let us complete it together !

    1. http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/7b/7bdfba0250428e85d9764367b09bbb7428124514719de1ea510306c2716b4bbb.jpg
      http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-CKqcFvxNibQ/VZhJVr3xUxI/AAAAAAAAFKI/sGO4XV5gNok/s1600/talking%2Bto%2Bhimself.jpg
      http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/ea/ea0e07513b09a1ebf6954bf4bbcf8acd08e114d4311eafefa58ecded63264660.jpg
      http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-O3pvM1HewVw/VZhHaSBGTBI/AAAAAAAAFJc/YlKiQCslO6o/s1600/10636085_10206322003028357_6786514211057556966_n.jpg
      http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/3e/3e87f1c0a8ec6e10f50d7135218541a2fd960f6feacf972257b9dd8bb23782ef.jpg
      https://img.memesuper.com/b8ec7979f30215bd462a57fcdf7c3fff_scumbag-god-scumbag-god-memes_500-499.jpeg

        2. The content of the memes. I think they’re a bit misinformed (no blame here – it is complicated even to those who dedicate their lives to the study of Scripture), but in the context of those misunderstandings they’re hilarious.

    2. Look at it from the perspective of myth for a second. What is myth, but a way to express complex philosophical truths in rhetoric that even children can comprehend?
      When the myths are modified to something which does not convey these truths, people are left adrift. If Theseus’ myth was transformed to remove his heroism and cleverness, the Greeks would lose touch with those truths. In the same way, the transformation of Jesus in modern perception has caused us to lose touch with the many truths his myth conveys.
      Now, outside this context I believe the stories to be true, but were they merely myths their value would remain quite high. If we restore the myth to its truths, we will restore the common person’s access to those truths.

      1. myths have been on earth since the beggining of time.
        Christendom is only worthy by a means of the Resurrection of Christ Himself through His self sacrifice.
        You can yap about atheism or paganism all day but remember this – Mondern laws have all been influenced by Him.
        Take a look at societies were they don’t believe in Him anymore, they’ve been taken over by muslims or are almost extinct as ethnics.

  39. We *are* the Vikings; Christ was the Warrior-King; America is still white- just the cities are brown.
    Just the facts.
    And Christ says to fight.

    1. Yeshua was a Preacher-Priest.
      He was no Warrior-King.
      Not in the slightest!

      1. Only according to what we’re fed….if you buy it then, by all means, turn the other cheek.
        So there.
        You really think a cunt-man inspired the conquerors of this world?
        Do you have sand in yer hoo-ha?

  40. No, Jesus was a failed messiah who got killed by the Romans. His followers had to conjure up this vicarious atonement theology in order to justify his failure to liberate Israel from Rome.

      1. A real prophet doesn’t need to tell people he is a prophet.
        You must be a shill.
        If not you damn sure missed your calling…

        1. You must think Santa Claus is real as well!
          P.S. I have a bridge to sell you. In Negev.

    2. Rome’s hand was forced by the (((Pharisees)))
      Quite the embarrassment when your prophesized king denounces you as dirty rotten scoundrels that need to change their ways.

  41. New title:
    Three ways in which a town bicycle is actually a beautiful, feminine, and temperate virgin!

    1. “..a town bicycle..”?
      wtf?
      Keep yer mom off the street n she won’t get rode hard.

    1. “What Profit has not that Fable of Christ Brought Us!” – Pope Leo X 1513 -1521

        2. Truth? Are you being Ironic? Or are you unaware that virtually every serious scholar of the Ancient world agrees that Jesus was a real historical figure?

      3. How thoughtful you quote a past leader of a RELIGION that majority of us here known is part of the elites. While believers of Christ don’t have religion – we have a living relationship with him.

  44. I was catholic from Poland. It destroyed my life. Christianity was poison for me. I am glad I changed my ways and never look back at fucking christianity or any other bullshit religion. It is made for weak, to enslave, to turn values upside down, to quell my vitality. I just get disgusted by a thought of it and how others can believe such non sense. On the side Jesus masculine? He was the fucking biggest beta pussy by the way except his super strong faith that was better than anyone else or sorry, he “knew” he was “son of god”. No one ever will bring me back years of religious enslavement and indoctrination, things that could happen but did not because I believed and hold myself… fucking pathetic. Sorry for my English, still learning.

        1. Yes, I am.
          Any advice/warning/guidance from a seasoned viking like yourself?

        2. You sure you know who you’re talking to, boy?
          Tell yer ma i’ll call her.
          Maybe.
          ps- likes my pork 😉

        3. My mom said you lasted a whole of 12 seconds – one for each of Yeshua’s Apostols.
          She wants a refund!

        6. I’m bored and need another sparring sesh.
          Any suggestions to this newb?

  49. Excellent article and a good reminder. It’s amusing mere mortals could even have the nerve to criticize the greatest man who ever lived. Christ was perfection in human form and he will always be the model on how to live perfectly and flawlessly on this planet.

    1. Yup, even though he found no fault in Christ, he was willing to go against his conscience and have him crucified because the Pharisees were getting the crowd worked up.
      But then, how often do we see that in politics today? How did we get gay marriage?

  51. I came back here just to leave this here.
    Maybe it will teach us a little better about our mission.

  52. The vast majority of people are unaware, and unaware that they are unaware, puppets being thrown to and fro by those who profit from their stupidity…

  53. Yeah if you still believe in God and believe that Jewsus Christ walked on water then you probably have the critical thinking compacity of a 7 year old

      1. Haha that’s a great point that I haven’t even really thought about. 0% chance “Jesus” looked like that

    2. like Thomas Aquainas, Augustine, Sir Isaac Newton, CS Lewis, Tolkien and Chesterton?

      1. Ok so 4 “famous” human beings in the last 900 years believe in god. How does that in any way prove its existence?

    1. First thing that forensic portrait is complete bs. it’s has been likened to pulling a skull off the battlefield of Gettysburg and saying ‘this is what Lincoln looked like’
      Second, the bible can be interpreted to describe king david as light haired…
      Third fair features like blond hair was much wider spread than you think – especially in the ancient world. Many greek gods are described that way yet modern greeks are mostly ‘Mediterranean’ looking.

      1. Ahem No wonder you are smarter than scientists. Statistically how many Arabs are Blue Eyed blonde?And what is the probability of one of them being that guy 🙂 Now the final test would you put your money on an Arabian looking like Arab or Anglo?

        1. Jesus wasn’t an arab. Arabs aren’t indigenous to the levant. and that region was a lot more ‘diverse’ back then and even is now- there are blonds in syria and blue eyed Palestinians.
          Yes most artists in all cultures tended to make Jesus look like one of their own what’s wrong with that?

        2. He was Jewish though.That Jesus was a Jew (or Judaean) is certain in that it is found repeated in diverse literature, including in the letters of Paul. And, as the Letter to the Hebrews states: “It is clear that our Lord was descended from Judah.” So how do we imagine a Jew at this time, a man “about 30 years of age when he began,” according to Luke chapter 3? It also says NOWHERE in the Bible that he was different physically in anyway from the other men of his time. So unless Palestine was an Aryan Eden…

  55. Did Christ even exist? I think much of it is fairy tales invented to control the masses.

    1. Most serious scholars believe Jesus existed, if nothing else.
      Fairy tale to control… pretty silly because it actually said the king was no longer god king, but that there was no king but christ.

      1. Zeitgeist the movie shows how religions are made up scams based on sun worship.

        1. Zeitgeist has been debunked as middle school intellectualism at best. Basics bro

  56. #1: He went in a temple full of crooked jews and figuratively told them to fuck off

    1. so why is it the more we have dechristianized the more unraveled and multiculti our society has become?
      And btw Neitzche was pretty much nuts by the time he was writing that.. if it was a ‘jewish plot’ to bring down the roman empire why is Christianity and Jesus so hated in the Jewish Talmud?

      1. weak christianity morality only exists when you have weak christians who follow a beta Jesus not a masculine Jesus.
        however this is the far more common christianity we see today.
        so there is something to it…..christianity is staying strong, but its the wrong brand of it.

  58. Read Revelation. When He comes back, He won’t be low-T, beta-Jesus.

    1. thats why a lot of churches simply ignore the old testament and the book of revelation.

  59. I hope this times when he comes back he is a white Anglo-saxon dude and not an Arabian douchebag. Otherwise US Tomahawk would get him before brown Indian merchants.

  60. Christ has strawberry blond hair, blue eyes and fair skin, as witness Pontius Pilate’s report to Caesar.

      1. It is mentioned in old documents, also that Mary had blond hair and blue eyes. If memory serves, take a look at Killing Jesus, Pilate’s Report at lulu.com

        1. I found the book you mention here. Reading the preview on Lulu, it appears that it is based on the Acta Pilati, which was later incorporated into what came to be known in mediaeval times as The Gospel of Nicodemus.
          The Acta Pilati itself is archived online, and though I didn’t find anything about Mary, it does say of Jesus

          “His golden colored hair and beard gave to his appearance a celestial aspect. … What a contrast between him and his hearers, with their black beards and tawny complexion.”

          The authenticity of the document is disputed, but it was interesting to come across it. Thanks for that!

        2. You are welcome. There are actually two different documents in the book, one from the Vatican Library and one from the Byzantine Imperial Library. Similar but not exactly the same. This works in favor of the document being authentic.

  61. LOL @ the people here who claim to be masculine and shit, but promote an ideology that was forced with violence upon their cuck ancestors.
    Christianity is 100% Semitic, non-white, non-european and has nothing to do with Europe and its people. The same holds for Islam and Judaism. All the characters in those stories are Semites, so keep believing in your fairytales that Jesus had European origins.
    The only Europeans in that region were Greeks and Romans and they were not a fan of Jews, Arabs or other Semites. That’s why they didn’t allow any of these Semitic cults in their empire.

    1. He had a lot of followers among the Romans. The story of the good centurion for one. Christianity may have started in the Mid east, but it quickly gained a following wherever it went. All races, all cultures, all nations.

  62. but everyone now believes he is weak and wimpy and loves everyone and accepts everyone…

  63. Further proof: they put nails in his hands and he asked, “You gonna do my feet now, fags?”

  64. Jesus goes beyond mere masculinity. He is God! We would do best to listen to and follow what He taught. Real men follow the Beatitudes. Blessed are the poor in spirit, those who mourn, the meek, those who hunger and thirst after righteousness, the merciful, the pure in heart, the peacemakers and those who are persecuted because of righteousness. (Matthew 5)

  65. Let us not forget that the reason Jesus ran all those people out of the temple was because they were using the temple (a sacred place) for commercial purposes. I wonder what Jesus would think of today’s organized religions and especially televangelists.

    2. Commerce was and is sacred to the people who worshipped in that temple, so the presence of those money-changers was totally appropriate.

      1. Right. And that’s why Jesus got pissed off about it. Because it was totally appropriate.

        1. I don’t know – it just seems strange that Jesus, who was raised in the Jewish religion but who had ventured down his own spiritual path away from that, would care what the Jews did in their own temple. But more importantly, why should those of us whose roots aren’t from that part of the world care about money-changers in some ancient Middle Eastern temple, whether it was a temple of YHWH or Marduk or Ishtar, or whatever? They weren’t our people, and their ways aren’t our ways. What should matter to us is the preservation of our own bloodlines – to me, nothing is more sacred than that, because if our European bloodlines become extinct then it won’t matter which religion is correct because there won’t be any worthy people left to follow it.

        2. Well… The article is about Jesus and one of the key points in the article was the story about Jesus throwing a tantrum in the temple. As usual, I see a lot of people trying to commandeer Jesus and make him into capitalist Jesus. Which he was not. He believed in earning one’s own way (and rightfully so); but he couldn’t possibly have had a concept of capitalism as we know it today.

        3. Yes, that’s true: Conservatives (in the U.S.., at any rate) try to make Jesus into a Capitalist, while Liberals try to make him into a Socialist. In reality, he was from a people who were tribal, which was how most of the world was back then.

        4. What I’m going to say is not a statement in favor of socialism over capitalism. I prefer capitalism over socialism any day. I just want to make sure we practice responsible capitalism…
          Tribalism is much closer to socialism than capitalism. It basically IS socialism on a small scale.

      2. After all… Jesus was noted for frequently getting angry about things that were totally appropriate. That’s how Jesus rolled!

  66. The better term is that he was courageous and assertive. Masculinity is gone too far off on different interpretations that suit whoever chooses to twist it.

    1. Courage and assertiveness are some of the most important aspects of masculinity

  67. Jesus has always stood for the poor, weak ones. Women that if they didn’t have a husband were relegated to lesser beings thats why they saw so much need for Jesus’ protection. These women tended to be single. The very Christianity that single feminists hated, Jesus would have protected them.

  68. It is also worth pointing out that passages like the pericope of the woman caught in adultery have been woefully reinterpreted (perhaps wilfully misinterpreted) to make Jesus Christ out to be a white knight.
    But Jesus Christ was not a white knight.

  70. If you want to look for a life partner blokes….then the church is full of swooning women. They outnumber the men in most denominations 70/30 in their favour. Many are forced to marry cucks and when a masculine man walks in the door even the married women swoon…….and regret marrying a castrated male…….check it out…

    1. Churchianity pussies are commonly cucked males – look at that pastor who married Jenna Presley (I don’t know her real name) after she left porn and became born again. If I was that pastor, I would welcome her to my congregation as Christ would, but damned if I would wife up a puss that looks like it been through a wood chipper. She is a squirter though.

      1. Yes your right……most western christian men are pussies……..am writing on it now in a church paper……many are waking up but to the red pill but the oppositions is unreal…….so many eunuchs….thats why even the married women squirm in their seats when an alpha walks into church…….I’m telling you get down there as there are heaps of women and they are being forced to marry beta men……they have no option as men are in short supply………

    2. You’re right about that, Danny – and I say that as someone who rejects Jesus as my lord and savior, but in spite of that I can attest to what you say, based upon my occasional attendance at church services. From what I have personally observed, the Russian Orthodox church congregations especially have an abundance of beautiful, healthy young White Women whose primal fertility radiates from them powerfully. They’re really friendly too. Check it out sometime. It’s the only Christian denomination that this evil old Fascist Heathen has ever been tempted to join (because of their women, their beautiful liturgy, their great hospitality, and the fact that they like to drink a lot!).
      Here’s an example of the type of girls you will find there (they’re singing a Russian Orthodox Church hymn, “Mnogaya Lyeta”, which means “Many Years”. This is sung at their weddings to wish the young couple many happy years together):

      1. Yeah but not just the orthodox churches mate……all denominations have this going on right now……up to 70% women in some congregations with anxious parents worried their daughters will marry outside the faith. There is the catch however……you may have to assent to being a member but you dont have to attend regularly……..most christian wives husbands dont. The upshot is you will have netted yourself a girl who has been schooled in total loyalty and her eyes wont stray like her married sister who married a christian cuck beta and always has wandering eyes for the visiting alpha.

  71. Funny how Jesus would have looked like someone 90% of readers here would not want to sit next to on an airplane! A swarthy skinned bearded Arab…

  73. Great article. I think the most important part to take away is that Christ came to divide not unite. As in, he openly and freely accepts those who will (become red pill) and wants an relationship with you. However your own choice of not accepting his salvation (blue pill) will lead you to be lost forever.
    Also let’s stop using the image Cesare Borgia. It’s an abomination.
    Acts 17:29

  75. As a man whose Ancestors came from the cold dark forests of the far northern extreme of Europe, I cannot understand how a spiritual leader from the hot arid deserts and crowded market towns of the Middle East could have any moral authority over me – our souls are too different to make that possible or desirable. Even if Jesus really was this super-alpha male that you are portraying here, so what? He wasn’t of my people, who would have beaten the crap out of him and sent him back home. Nature, Honor, my revered Ancestors, and the places where their bones are buried, are sacred to me.

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