Thousands Are Disappearing In China’s Real-Life 1984 Nightmare

Via AP News:

Nobody knows what happened to the Uighur student after he returned to China from Egypt and was taken away by police.

Not his village neighbors in China’s far west, who haven’t seen him in months. Not his former classmates, who fear Chinese authorities beat him to death.

Not his mother, who lives in a two-story house at the far end of a country road, alone behind walls bleached by the desert sun. She opened the door one afternoon for an unexpected visit by Associated Press reporters, who showed her a picture of a handsome young man posing in a park, one arm in the wind.

“Yes, that’s him,” she said as tears began streaming down her face. “This is the first time I’ve heard anything of him in seven months. What happened?”

“Is he dead or alive?”

The student’s friends think he joined the thousands — possibly tens of thousands — of people, rights groups and academics estimate, who have been spirited without trial into secretive detention camps for alleged political crimes that range from having extremist thoughts to merely traveling or studying abroad. The mass disappearances, beginning the past year, are part of a sweeping effort by Chinese authorities to use detentions and data-driven surveillance to impose a digital police state in the region of Xinjiang and over its Uighurs, a 10-million strong, Turkic-speaking Muslim minority that China says has been influenced by Islamic extremism.

Along with the detention camps, unprecedented levels of police blanket Xinjiang’s streets. Cutting-edge digital surveillance systems track where Uighurs go, what they read, who they talk to and what they say. And under an opaque system that treats practically all Uighurs as potential terror suspects, Uighurs who contact family abroad risk questioning or detention.

The campaign has been led by Chen Quanguo, a Chinese Communist Party official, who was promoted in 2016 to head Xinjiang after subduing another restive region — Tibet. Chen vowed to hunt down Uighur separatists blamed for attacks that have left hundreds dead, saying authorities would “bury terrorists in the ocean of the people’s war and make them tremble.”

Through rare interviews with Uighurs who recently left China, a review of government procurement contracts and unreported documents, and a trip through southern Xinjiang, the AP pieced together a picture of Chen’s war that’s ostensibly rooting out terror — but instead instilling fear.

Most of the more than a dozen Uighurs interviewed for this story spoke on condition of anonymity for fear that Chinese authorities would punish them or their family members. The AP is withholding the student’s name and other personal information to protect people who fear government retribution.

Chen and the Xinjiang regional government did not respond to repeated requests for comment. But China’s government describes its Xinjiang security policy as a “strike hard” campaign that’s necessary following a series of attacks in 2013 and 2014, including a mass knifing in a train station that killed 33. A Hotan city propaganda official, Bao Changhui, told the AP: “If we don’t do this, it will be like several years ago — hundreds will die.”

China also says the crackdown is only half the picture. It points to decades of heavy economic investment and cultural assimilation programs and measures like preferential college admissions for Uighurs.

Officials say the security is needed now more than ever because Uighur militants have been fighting alongside Islamic extremists in Syria. But Uighur activists and international human rights groups argue that repressive measures are playing into the hands of the likes of al-Qaida, which has put out Uighur-language recruiting videos condemning Chinese oppression.

“So much hate and desire for revenge are building up,” said Rukiye Turdush, a Uighur activist in Canada. “How does terrorism spread? When people have nowhere to run.”

‘Thought Police’

The government has referred to its detention program as “vocational training,” but its main purpose appears to be indoctrination. A memo published online by the Xinjiang human resources office described cities, including Korla, beginning “free, completely closed-off, militarized” training sessions in March that last anywhere from 3 months to 2 years.

Uighurs study “Mandarin, law, ethnic unity, de-radicalization, patriotism” and abide by the “five togethers” — live, do drills, study, eat and sleep together.

In a rare state media report about the centers, a provincial newspaper quoted a farmer who said after weeks of studying inside he could spot the telltale signs of religious extremism by how a person dressed or behaved and also profess the Communist Party’s good deeds. An instructor touted their “gentle, attentive” teaching methods and likened the centers to a boarding school dorm.

But in Korla, the institutions appeared more daunting, at least from the outside. The city had three or four well-known centers with several thousand students combined, said a 48-year-old local resident from the Han ethnic majority. One center the AP visited was, in fact, labeled a jail. Another was downtown on a street sealed off by rifle-toting police. A third center, the local Han resident said, was situated on a nearby military base.

While forced indoctrination has been reported throughout Xinjiang, its reach has been felt far beyond China’s borders.

In April, calls began trickling into a Uighur teacher’s academy in Egypt, vague but insistent. Uighur parents from a few towns were pleading with their sons and daughters to return to China, but they wouldn’t say why.

“The parents kept calling, crying on the phone,” the teacher said.

Chinese authorities had extended the scope of the program to Uighur students abroad. And Egypt, once a sanctuary for Uighurs to study Islam, began deporting scores of Uighurs to China.

Sitting in a restaurant outside Istanbul where many students had fled, four recounted days of panic as they hid from Egyptian and Chinese authorities. One jumped out a window running from police. Another slept in a car for a week. Many hid with Egyptian friends.

“We were mice, and the police were cats,” said a student from Urumqi, Xinjiang’s regional capital.

All who returned were intensely grilled about what they did in Egypt and viewed as potential terror suspects, the students said. Many were believed held in the new indoctrination camps, while some were sentenced to longer prison sentences.

The young man from Korla rarely went out in the two years he spent studying Islam in Egypt. He played some soccer — a beloved sport among Uighurs — but wasn’t particularly athletic or popular.

Instead, he kept to himself in an apartment that he kept fastidiously clean, steeped in his studies at the revered Al Azhar University, the 1,000-year-old seat of learning in Sunni Islam. He freely discussed Quranic verses with his Uighur friends but mostly avoided politics, one friend said. He spoke of one day pursuing a Ph.D. in comparative religion.

“He had big dreams,” said the friend who is now hiding in Turkey to avoid being sent to China. “He wanted to be a religious scholar, which he knew was impossible in China, but he also wanted to stay close to his mother in Korla.”

He was fluent in Arabic and but also in Chinese. When they huddled around a smartphone to watch a Taiwanese tear-jerker about a boy separated from his mother, he would be the one weeping first.

When homesickness got to him, he would tell his friends about how his mother doted on him, and about Korla and the big house he grew up in. And when he gets married, God willing, he would say, he’d start a family in that house, too.

“If my wife doesn’t agree, then we don’t marry,” he declared.

He returned to China when he was called back in 2016 and taken away in February, according to three students and a teacher from Cairo. They say they heard from reliable sources in China — but cannot prove — that he died in detention.

Show Of Force

Southern Xinjiang, the vast desert basin from where many of the students came, is one of the most heavily policed places on earth.

Deep in the desert’s southern rim, the oasis town of Hotan is a microcosm of how Chen, the Xinjiang party boss, has combined fearsome optics with invisible policing.

He has ordered police depots with flashing lights and foot patrols be built every 500 meters (yards)— a total of 1,130, according to the Hotan government. The AP saw cavalcades of more than 40 armored vehicles including full personnel carriers rumble down city boulevards. Police checkpoints on every other block stop cars to check identification and smartphones for religious content.

Shopkeepers in the thronging bazaar don mandatory armored vests and helmets to sell hand-pulled noodles, tailored suits and baby clothes.

Xinjiang’s published budget data from January to August shows public security spending this year is on track to increase 50 percent from 2016 to roughly 45 billion yuan ($6.8 billion) after rising 40 percent a year ago. It’s quadrupled since 2009, a watershed year when a Uighur riot broke out in Xinjiang, leaving nearly 200 members of China’s Han ethnic majority dead, and security began to ratchet up.

Adrian Zenz, a researcher at the European School of Culture and Theology who tracks Chinese public security staffing levels based on its recruiting ads, says Xinjiang is now hiring 40 times more police per capita than populous Guangdong Province.

“Xinjiang has very likely exceeded the level of police density seen in East Germany just before its collapse,” Zenz said. “What we’ve seen in the last 12 to 14 months is unprecedented.”

But much of the policing goes unseen.

To enter the Hotan bazaar, shoppers first pass through metal detectors and then place their national identification cards on a reader while having their face scanned.

The facial scanner is made by China Electronics Technology Group (CETC), a state-owned defense contractor that has spearheaded China’s fast-growing field of predictive policing with Xinjiang as its test bed. The AP found 27 CETC bids for Xinjiang government contracts, including one soliciting a facial recognition system for facilities and centers in Hotan Prefecture.

Hours after visiting the Hotan bazaar, AP reporters were stopped outside a hotel by a police officer who said the public security bureau had been remotely tracking the reporters’ movements.

“There are tens of thousands of cameras here,” said the officer, who gave his name as Tushan. “The moment you took your first step in this city, we knew.”

The government’s tracking efforts have extended to vehicles, genes, and even voices. In February, authorities in Xinjiang’s Bayingol prefecture, which includes Korla, required every car to install GPS trackers for real-time monitoring. And since late last year, Xinjiang authorities have required health checks to collect the population’s DNA samples. In May, a regional police official told the AP that Xinjiang had purchased $8.7 million in DNA scanners — enough to analyze several million samples a year.

In one year, Kashgar Prefecture, which has a population of 4 million, has carried out mandatory checks for practically its entire population, said Yang Yanfeng, deputy director of Kashgar’s propaganda department. She characterized the checkups as a public health success story, not a security measure.

“We take comprehensive blood tests for the good of the people, not just record somebody’s height and weight,” Yang said. “We find out health issues in citizens even they didn’t know about.”

A biometric data collection program appears to have been formalized last year under “Document No. 44,” a regional public security directive to “comprehensively collect three-dimensional portraits, voiceprints, DNA and fingerprints.” The document’s full text remains secret, but the AP found at least three contracts referring to the 2016 directive in recent purchase orders for equipment such as microphones and voice analyzers.

Meiya Pico, a security and surveillance company, has won 11 bids in the last six months alone from local Xinjiang jurisdictions. It won a joint bid with a DNA analysis company for 4 million yuan ($600,000) in Kargilik and has sold software that automatically scans smartphones for “terror-related pictures and videos” to Yarkent.

Meiya and CETC declined comment.

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55 thoughts on “Thousands Are Disappearing In China’s Real-Life 1984 Nightmare”

  1. Uighur people are Turks who want a Caliphate in a Communist country where they are a Western colony of sorts.

      1. “Nobody knows what happened to the Uighur student after he returned to China from Egypt and was taken away by police.”
        * Just first sentence and 80% of the story is clear. Uighurs are Muslims and live in autonomous region Xinjiang. Foreign powers constantly encourages (funds and ‘educates’) Uighurs to fight again current Chinese leadership. #bombAttacks #knifeAttacks
        * So he returned from Egypt – good, and what he did there? Studying how to be a good ‘Muslim brother’?
        * He ‘was taken away’ by police what means by official state body, not by some unlawful perpetrators.
        * When you live and ‘strong state’ as today China, you need to have somebody powerful behind your neck to fight against official establishment what also demonstrates existence of this AP article. And now I can go and read second sentence…

    1. Was in China last month for a couple of weeks. Seemed to be very civilized, lots of thoroughly modern young people living modern lives, big LCD Tvs everywhere, movies on demand, smart phones. But they’ve blocked all (((social media))), they have their own. As far as I could see, if you didn’t cause trouble for the government, they showed no interest in you. I was allowed to wander freely all over the place, nobody was watching or tracking me.

      1. I’ve been to China many times over the years and the rapid modernization with my own eyes.
        Frankly, if you aren’t causing any trouble for the government, you’re pretty much free to do as you please.
        As far as the Uighurs, they have brought this repression onto themselves with their insane Islamic radicalism, and while the tactics of the Chinese authorities can appear heavy handed at times, no one can question the effectiveness of the methods.
        As an aside, you have to pass through metal detectors and get your bags scanned when using metros (the subway) in major cities like Shenzhen and Guangzhou and when you use Inter City rail services. These security checkpoints wouldn’t exist if it were ir not for Uighur Islamic terrorism, so, I don’t blame the Chinese authorities one bit for what they are doing.

  2. While the article is pro-Uighur the reality is that without stomping hard on these moslems there would be outbreaks of moslem bombings, decapitations, etc. around China just as there are everywhere else. Congratulations to the Chinese on stopping moslems from being, well, moslem.
    “Rukiye Turdush, a Uighur activist in Canada. “How does terrorism spread? When people have nowhere to run.”” Wrong. Moslem terrorism spreads when the State is unwilling to protect its citizenry from moslem depredation. Counter-terror must be greater than moslem terror to suppress it.
    China is doing a bang up job here, and while I don’t care for the surveillance state here in the U.S. it clearly works in China.

    1. there’s also an ethnic factor in play, as uyghurs are turkic muslims and are succeptible and already influenced by the (( )) to commit terrorist acts…
      unlike china’s other large muslim minority, the chinese hui people

        1. turkic peoples are a group of people (closest to mongols) in central asia
          turks are a modern nation, partly turkic, but much more anadoliyan/mediterranean
          albanians are partly turkic, they are most similar to chechens
          slovenians are a small Slavic nation south of austria

      1. Albanians are no different in appearance from their neighbours (southern slavs , greeks , southern italians ). Are you sure of them being partly turkic ?

        1. Depends on what you mean by Albanian.
          I’m afraid in the Balkans there is no clear cut distinction overall of who’s who.
          Today’s Albanians have little to do with Albanians from 800 years ago.
          Even internally, they are divided as hell. You’ve got Tosks and Ghegs, and even then they are even more feudally divided into clans (they all hate each other too, but don’t take that as a sign of weakness). Unfortunately for them, their identity is a hybrid one, as each ethnic group or army or empire swept through the region they brought something with them. In the Albanian’s case (BTW term didn’t exist prior to 1878), the Turks introduced and settled a Turkic tribe which lived somewhere near the caucases around Georgia/Armenia/Chechnia to the Serbian province of Kosovo – these weren’t Albanians, but they were integrated into that schema. On top of that – you mention appearance. Unfortunately in this part of the world appearance is skin deep – what appears to be a blonde Albanian girl may well be an Albanized Italian from 150 years ago. Basically, they are a little of everything, Greek, Slavic, Bulgar, Gypsy, Caucasoid, Phoencian, Illyrian (they like to claim this as it gives them a faux sense of legitimacy, when in reality everyone from Slovenia down to Greece has Illyrian roots so no argument there).

        2. @johnny_systema Yeah I know the Balkans is a mish-mash of peoples. Did a little bit of research. Seems like at least the Ghegs and Tosks are native to the region , clearly not the same people though. Here are some modern Albanian school kids…most of them seem pretty European to me.

        3. yes, cos the ‘albanian’ nation is an invention of austrohungarians and british schemers – they are originally mostly from the region of caucasus, but when they were brought in SE europe by byzanthynes and ottomans, they started to absorb neighbouring peoples of greek, roman, turkish and slavic origin, thus grew in numbers, which. with the forementioned help from their ‘friends’ – made the today’s albanians or shqiptars as they call themselves

        4. yes they AR different, its their semitic euroasian origin showing through despite all their mixing with Slavic, greek, roman and turk blood
          and they are majorly muslims too

        5. your little bit of googling means little in the sense of actual historical facts>
          original shqiptars are native only to caucasus region.
          they were brought to SE europe in 1041. by byzantine general george maniakes, later they had an off/on good relationship with ottoman invaders
          today’s albanians have absorbed some of the neighbouring european and asian peoples, which changed their original euroasian genetic make up

  3. When I saw the headline and lead photo I thought this was going to be about the removal of “low-end population” from the Beijing city limits.

  4. China is in a very bad economic position. Their currency is being devalued and industry is pulling out. The empty cities that were built to prop up the domestic economy are starting the crumble. Overpopulation is taxing the land and public coffers. It doesn’t surprise me that China is entering extreme authoritarian mode (much more then it was before). It is going to need that when/if economic collapse comes.

    1. The system never really stopped being communist. They made lots of money on cheap labor but the lion’s share of it went to state-owned enterprises and the officials who patronize them. They don’t operate on free market principles because the government will always bail them out, which harms the overall competitiveness of the national economy. The way to fix this would be to expand the private sector, but Communist Party doesn’t want that because it would create a large and politically dangerous middle class.

      1. @Su100Y…actually, the middle class in China is growing too fast…they don’t have the resources or the ability to handle it. This is why they are having such massive pollution problems, and why they are literally building a power plant EVERYDAY. Not to mention, they use something like half the world cement production.

        1. The “middle class” in China is similar to the people who were well-educated and had white collar jobs in the USSR and East Bloc — they are still mostly working for state companies that don’t work on the profit motive so much as the “too big to fail” support of the CCP. The genuine private sector (the ones that would produce quality and innovation) is very weak and saddled with all kinds of taxes and indirect fees.

      2. I would argue that the Chinese government was never communist. Pure ((commune))ism has never been successfully practiced on any large scale outside of a Jewish kibbutz farm community. Likewise the old Soviet Union operated under a system of ‘STATE CAPITALISM’ where the state owned all the shares and the members of the communist party received the dividends. Neither China nor the USSR were communist other than in name only. In china what they have is old feudalism run by a modern mob with the same honor codes, but in no way is it a great big yellow man’s Jewish kibbutz. China is anything but communist.

        1. I would argue that the Chinese government was never communist.
          Are you saying that as soon as we can impose “real” communism the world will become a utopia?

    2. As long as china stays nationalistic and ethnically homogeneous, they will never fail. Homogeneous and nationalistic countries just go through ups and downs. China is too overpopulated, that is their main problem. Honestly, China is probably going into authoritarian overload because they are watching the West implode with our egalitarianism, individualism, and “muh diversity”.

      1. THat’s true, ussr was not real communism. It was a Czarist type of socialism through inertia of the RUssian Empire. Fascism is the opposite of communism.
        Still, the USSR was very successful economically, growing by 20x in 65 years. It’s main deficiency, lack of economic information aggregagtion was a product of the pre-digital age.

    3. Last month when I was actually in China, seemed to be new houses, hotels, motorways being built all over. Didn’t see any ‘extreme authoritarianism’ in fact was surprised how easy it was, as a white foreigner, to move around the country. Needed ID to buy a train ticket was the only difference between there and any western country I’ve visited. Didn’t see any signs of ‘business collapse’, I suspect that’s just American propaganda. Plenty of attractive women taking selfies wherever I went. An entirely normal country, with normal people, as free as anyone else in the world IMHO.

      1. JOHN
        My wife is ethnic Chinese Southeast Asian: they’d give Jews and Scots a run for the money in pure capitalism.
        China and Asia have a growing middle-class and the Western one shrinks.
        Collectivist? Chinese would not piss on other Chinese if they were on fire. It is every man for themselves raw materialistic capitalism.

      2. Ive been living between China and the UK for about 10 years and you are quite correct. It’s the safest country Ive ever lived in and the Chinese are very welcoming to foreigners. It’s very annoying to see the west bag out China so much, pure propaganda. Sure it has a lot of problems like any country, compounded by the fact it has such a large population and a large area. On the whole they seem to manage it very well. There has been a concerted effort over the past few years to stamp out corruption which is very effective. The Chinese have certainly got the right idea when it comes to minority groups trying to assert themselves. Nip that bugger right in the bud. I wish them all the luck in the world and hope they do not follow our shameful lead in social engineering. One more point Id like to make, there are many concessions for minority communities, they are not treated badly at all as far as I have observed.

        1. Though Chinese are two-timing, scam artists, they don’t have the cohesion and in-group dynamic of Joos. The Chinese also don’t have any innovation beyond finding ways to steal or rip-off tech and customers, respectively.
          The Chinese military still has to buy 70s Soviet jet engines for their (stolen U.S. tech) air force program.

  5. This doesn’t sound as bad as the clickbait would lead one to believe. China is doing what it has to to impose IRS values and norms on a minority that might wish to transition the area and eventually the state to Islam. As much as china is a rival to our Empire, I’d prefer the moslems not to get their hands on Chinese nukes.

  6. not sure if its only me, but there seems to be no way to comment on the other article about silicon valley transhumanists. The following is cryptically dropped into the article without explanation: “Males are usually the gender manufactured from this area, but we are seeing females also being produced as the males see them as superior and believe in a god that is feminine”
    Very odd statement taken on its own. What is it referring to? Which males see females as superior, and believe in a god that is feminine? I do believe there is something to this: that the goddess, the sacred feminine, be it the virgin, the shekinah or mother ISIS herself is indeed the secret “religion” of some of the most powerful people on earth. But you can’t just slip it in there like that.
    Seriously, why does everything about the occult have to be so occulted? Can’t we have some plain speakin’ esotericism for a change?

    1. Yeh I couldnt comment either. But I think the essay is very bizarre. He lumps the following all together – Gates, Jack Ma, Zuckerberg, Bezos, there is not a singly common denominator so that blows the hole of the entire premise. I think its one of the poorer pieces on ROK. It will appeal to the tin foilers. Yeh some grand plot between Chinese Ma, Bill Gates and the other techies.

      1. I thought it was entertaining, but I couldn’t quite work out what it was saying. Bezos is certainly in bed with the CIA & Zuckerberg seems dispositionally aligned with globalism. As for Gates & Ma & any others, well they potentially share the interest common to massively rich oligarchs. Whether that means transhumanism in the sense that it is normally meant I cannot comment. Are there other connections? I’m not aware that any of them are masons, etc, but oligarch’s do seem to have learned to work together over the ages to the extent that sharing a monopoly or partaking in a greater cartel seems to be preferred and less risky than engaging in cut-throat rivalry. I don’t know that any of these men are engaged in the occult or goddess worship though

        1. But as you point out in essence is that there is no common denominator.
          Staunch leftists, staunch rightists, globalists, CIA fronts, I’m sure if we delve into it we can find others like…”pro-Russian”, “pro-abortion”, pro-feminism”, “pro-…” you get the point. There really is no common theme and the transhuman stuff is off the wall. Doesnt Zuckerberg have a kid or two? Gates has a family right? Ma I have no idea. These people are very successful and have become extremely powerful but so what, I think people get jealous and write all sorts of lunatic things. These people are not “alien reptiles” who want to “breed humans with cyberborgs”.

      2. well, it was you who considered there was no common denominator. The author of the article asserted that the denominator was transhumanism (although it drifted somewhat and so did I). He didn’t attempt to clarify what he meant, nor did he attempt to demonstrate why he’d chosen the examples you list. With the probable (?) exception of Ma I would be surprised if the other three didn’t have a relationship with the intelligence services (obviously Bezos does) and Zuckerberg is an ultra globalist (not because he’s jewish, but because he’s an ultra-globalist). I’ve already said I don’t know that they are ideologically or pragmatically transhumanist, and its not something one can assume, but the obvious missing entity here is google, which has as its head of engineering Ray Kurzweil, who as you may know is the probably the most famous futurist / transhumanist in the world. What these guys all have in common with google and kurzweil (again I can’t comment on Ma) is a concern to be ahead of the technological curve, and that surely means grappling with if not the singularity then at least the kind of transformation of humanity that a technologically enhanced human species will involve. Google is involved with tech-wear, as are companies like Samsung etc. Microsoft has innovated in hooking us all up to the cloud so that we can be almost hardwire connected to the all seeing eye data farms that the NSA run (we already know that data is collected en masse in these data farms). Does that amount to transhumanism? Well it may certainly amount to some variety of cyborgism and indeed to the extent that we are already hooked up to smartphones & tech wear we’re almost already there. In other words it doesn’t necessarily involve breeding us as half chimpanzee or for that matter reptilian chymerae.
        With respect to they’re not being reptilians I would say you are taking that too literally. If you believe David Icke the reptilians are pretty much like aliens in V. But reptilian may also refer to occult ideology. The symbol of the dragon, the serpent, the wise serpent, the bringer of light and knowledge, is a possible esoteric meaning of the exoteric absurdity.
        With that in mind, we also have to distinguish between those who may subscribe to such occult ideology and those – perhaps like the billionaires referred to – may simply be wittingly or unwittingly aligned with the occult or transhumanist agenda. It really doesn’t matter if you’re a paid up member or not.
        BTW, are you sure you’re a white identitatrian?

        1. Interesting to note the dragon is a common motif across many civilisations representing kingship. The paradigm apparently springing up between ancient civilisations that had no prior contact with each other. Although I cant bring myself to agree with Icke that there’s people able to shapeshift between human form and repilian I find it very interesting the elites seem to believe they are born of dragon blood (hence blue bloods).

        2. I’m not sure what Icke is saying to be honest. Is trying to say something metaphorical? When he speaks he appears to literally mean what he is saying, which is kind of bizarre. Some think he’s disinfo himself but the strange thing he seems sincere.
          Dragons appear across history and cultures sure. Without researching the matter I don’t really want to comment on it, but while sometimes dragons appear on royal coats of arms etc sometimes like in the case of St George you’ll see the dragon as symbolic of some kind of evil to be conquered (George is often depicted spearing and trampling the dragon). The chinese seem to have a very different take, but again I’m not qualified to comment. In eastern europe there was an ‘Order of the Dragon’ which princes including infamous Vlad Tepes (dracula) belonged to. Wikipedia refers to its depiction: The dragon described here, with its tail coiled around its neck, bears comparison to the ouroboros. On the back of the dragon, from the base of the neck to the tail, is the Red Cross of Saint George, with the entire image on an argent field.”
          So there are both occult and christian themes combined here. Overall I would say the dragon as a cross-cultural idea has syncretic origins. I would say it should probably be considered separately from the idea of the dragon / serpent in the occult, except insofar as it can symbolise evil, or something to be overcome

      3. fyi, I’ve copied this exchange over to the original article’s comments board which has now been opened

      4. what the fuck does ‘tin foilers’ mean, do you mean people who question the given line? Those who would rather try to make sense of the bullshit being feed from all quarters? Often labelled as conspiracy theorists (a CIA term introduced to prevent anyone trying to question the Kennedy assassinaton), are these the people you wish to dismiss?

      1. what pussy worship and arse worship have in common is the worship of sex. Although in the occult scheme of things many are de facto goddess worshippers, there has always been tension with the hermaphroditic side of the occult (c.f. transwomen vs terfs). The gnostic imperative will typically elevate the transgressive above the vanilla

      2. I think that bird is actually a bloke. Lord Shiva in fact, rotating his wheel of life. The depiction is rather feminine, so might alternatively represent Shiva
        “In Shaktism, Shakti is worshipped as the Supreme Being. Shakti embodies the active feminine energy of Shiva and is synonymously identified with Tripura Sundari or Parvati.”
        The verse envisions creation as a moving wheel (chakra), as a manifestation or projection of Lord Shiva. In the macrocosm it represents the Purusha, the Cosmic Being who is mentioned in the Vedas as a combination of the Cosmic Soul (Isvara) and the Cosmic Body (the material universe). In the microcosm it represents each embodied soul or a living being (jiva)

  7. Just imagine for a moment that SJWs and Feminists get to be the guiding hands and users behind the monitoring and cameras….
    Just imagine for moment that it is not imagination and it is in fact true.
    Oh…. wait….sh**t

  8. This article is standard liberal/left dissembling about Salafist extremists/jihadi terrorism. The Islamists are of course portrayed as innocent victims – tell that to the hundreds of ethnic Han Chinese men, women and children they hunted down in the streets and hacked to death and beheaded.
    These innocent victims are also very active with the “moderate beheaders” bringing Islamic “vibrancy” to Syria.
    ROK slipped up by allowing this SJW, jihadi propaganda to appear on its site.

  9. The last time the Chinese let loose the Uighur Turks, the peoples from Constantinople too Jerusalem to Africa suffered under barbarians

  10. Apparently China knows how to deal with a minority group that either is troublesome, or is likely to be in the future. If only America and Europe had the stones to put their nation’s best interests interests first, instead of worrying about being “racist” or hurting the feelings of unassimilable races and religions.
    We can thank the (((tribesmen))) and their control of academia, government, and the news and entertainment media for creating the surreal situation in the western world.

      There are a few Jews in Shanghai. Came during the silk route.
      They keep a low profile in China though I understand most of them moved to Israel at some point.
      Definitely they don’t control the media, business, public opinion.
      Jews need a compliant society of people that are somewhat lower IQ (Like 10 points) still capable of maintaining a society. Chinese are too bright for Jews to take over their film industry and or business and porn is illegal.
      Part of the reason the “tribe” runs the US is because a) it meritocratic and not class-based like UK and b) the general populace is lower IQ so there is some niche that Jews can fill to invent a supply that finds demand and c) There are enough Jews that they can raise money among themselves to physically produce films or whatever.

  11. I can imagine the propaganda machine it must require to manage A BILLION little yellow ant people. They seem to fear big things – – the likes of Godzilla fame. And the tiny yellow women revere big things too – – like the big tall white man with the comparatively big dick, even if he’s a beta from his native country looking for a small submissive yellow cabbage patch fuck.
    But I empathize with the Chinese political prisoners. I dislike government bullies from any culture persecuting the independent free thinkers. Fuck the muslims. They’re stupid but the Chinese independent free thinkers and other state despots need a break.
    The badgering and surveillence buggery of the little yellow coppers upon their own citizens is like watching an ant farm. I’m not impressed with the nominal IQ Chinese state guard police forces and their government brown nosers. I dislike any group that manages a people farm. They always persecute higher IQ independent thinkers and render the bloodline down to the remaining dumb managable hoardes.
    I detest stupid low IQ hoardes in any snitch state east or west, snitching and ratting out other low IQ deplorables in their climb up the government ladder. The real high IQ talent of the race defects to elsewhere, leaving the entire stinking people farm to fester and implode.
    If I had my say I’d let all the high IQ independent thinking Asians live. Then I’d burn the Chinese communist party goon squad government with a big magnifying glass. They never needed a great wall. The Chinese with their difficult and unique language and alphabet have all they need to keep outsiders out and maintain their racial and cultural purity. Their communist government is like cancer and altzheimers all rolled into one. Buuut . . it’s still not one tenth as bad as the German or Swedish regime.
    They should do an Asian terror movie featuring a big magnifying glass in the sky that goes around frying the entire communist party. “Tssssss – smoke”. I love the smell of burned ants. It smells like . . when I was 9 playing with a magnifying glass during the summer in my back yard.

  12. Nope. I’m with China on this one. If China wants to murder its muzzie population, then power to them. Arabs and Muslims are nothing but trouble wherever they go. Enough is enough.

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