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3 Online Moneymaking Strategies You Should Avoid

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The internet is only going to continue to grow over the coming years. Men have dreams and fantasies of just a laptop and a beach full of stunning Brazilian women, with an endless supply of money coming in from passive income to foot the bill.

The problem is that there is a lot of bad information out there. Many people are out to sell their $5,000 online entrepreneur course and will sell every one of your dreams coming true if you invest in them. I’ll be the first to admit: I don’t know everything. But after three years of trying various endeavors online, I’ve finally found a system that works well for me. That’s not to say it won’t work for you, and no—I don’t have some super duper course that gives you all my secrets.

With that being said, in addition to what has worked, I’ve also found many things that haven’t. I’ve also found that there are some ways of making money online that I wouldn’t touch with a ten-foot pole. So before you book your apartment on the beaches of Rio, or in the center of Bangkok’s nightlife to bounce Thai women home—make sure you read this whole article.

1. Daytrading

In the span of the last two years I’ve seen no less than three friends undertake this task and end up having to return to the corporate world.

The reason isn’t because the trading itself is technical. Far from the opposite, actually. Even the two whom I’d consider to be “non-technical” people said the actual trading itself isn’t difficult. The charts look like monstrosities at first, but quickly become manageable. The programs themselves are not much more difficult to learn than your average middle-end to advanced office software.

What seems to get everyone is the emotions involved. Losing $500 suddenly turns into $5,000 because it’s not easy to just walk away from losing $500. The end result is continuing to go further down the rabbit hole rather than just walking away (for the day).

The other emotion that’s easy to get wrapped up: that you don’t need much money. It’s easy to think that you can easily make $30 a day and live in a cheap place like Ukraine. However, it only takes one mistimed move to send you into losing $30 instead.

I always had an interest in doing daytrading eventually, but the horror stories I’ve been hearing have made me want to forget this. I’d much rather put a bit of money in to a mutual fund (or even BitCoin) from time to time rather than dedicating my days to the ups and downs of the market.

2. Blogging

Seems a bit hypocritical considering I’m now making a full-time living off my own site. With that being said, I attribute the financial success of my own work to many things.

  1. Dedication—posting every single day, even as a one-man shop.
  2. Time—I’ve been doing it for over three years, and didn’t really make any money for the first 2+.
  3. Brand—putting my face out there made a huge difference.
  4. Luck—simple as that.
  5. Stubbornness—I frankly probably should haven given up sooner. I was lucky that I enjoyed doing it for free. Many other bloggers who were “up-and-coming” with me two years ago are now nowhere to be found.

It’s just the difficulty of blogging as a whole. The frustration. The days, weeks, months where you get fewer page views than your dog’s Instagram.

With that being said, I think everyone should have a website. I think everyone should practice writing. I also think small niche sites are a low time and cost investment that can result in a nice little piece of web real estate. And if they don’t pan out, you can at least get the experience of writing, design, and general business sense that will give you a leg up down the road.

3. Freelancing (Long Term)

Here’s one I’m torn on. I do think that freelancing is the way to go, starting out. If you have $5,000 in the bank, no job, and want to move abroad—cool. You probably should start by freelancing, and not planning to build a passive income system before you run out of cash. That’s a lot of pressure and it may not be realistic in six months.

However, many people leave their corporate hellholes and become freelancers. Sure, they have a much more flexible life, but ultimately nearly everyone I meet who is freelancing has more negative than positive to say about it. I think freelancing is a great way to start and the money is guaranteed. Someday though, it’s likely you’ll burn out of it or hate it as much as you did your corporate job.

The one huge upside to freelancing: retaining clients. If you can get just a few clients who love you and want to pay you long-term to write, or maintain their website, you’re potentially in a great situation. You don’t have to take on the biggest time sink (finding the work) of freelancing. And you have guaranteed money. You can use that spare time to build the passive income streams that we all dream of.

Bonus Tip: If you end up going this route and do the conventional UpWork or Fiverr route, keep in mind that the beginning part is going to suck. It’s a numbers game, just like online dating. It will likely take you 20-25 proposals to get one measly job. Until you have 5-10 jobs (and feedback) done, you’re just going to be working for peanuts. Accept it as getting your foot in the door much like an intern. It will get better after that.

Closing Thoughts

Every time I do a private consultation with someone, many come in to that consultation with a common belief that making money online is really hard. That’s because there is truly so much bad information on the internet. It’s just information overload, people have no idea where to start. It’s not difficult, per se. With that being said, a lot of it is just a matter of putting in the work. If you want to quit your 9-5 because you don’t want to work 8 hours a day—forget it.

Making money online, at first, is going to take at least those hours, or more. The nice part about it is that you can do it spurts. Work 14 hours a day for week, and the just a couple the next. It’s all up to you. Over time, you can reduce those hours as you have more authority, retainer clients, or passive income. Starting out though, there really is no shortcut to just putting in the work.

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163 thoughts on “3 Online Moneymaking Strategies You Should Avoid”

    1. God almighty, yes. I can’t begin to tell you how many kids I knew whose high school job was selling overpriced knives or insurance to people who already had both. Their bosses made money off them, and every so often they made enough to have an underage bender, but as a rule I made more stocking shelves at Walmart.

        1. No, see, it works like this.
          You pay me $150 to watch me waffle on for five hours about how quantum mechanics means anything can happen at any time for no reason. Then you make an advertising video for me, and I give you $25 back.
          Then you tell your friends, and every friend you refer back to my waffling videos I’ll pay you another $15.
          Refer 100 friends, and I’ll make you a Quark Apprentice. Then you get to make your own videos and charge people to watch them, and you pay me only $25 for every person who watches.
          See? It totally makes sense. But you have to believe it’ll work, and I mean really believe, or your bad thoughts will ripple through the quantum states of the universe and make you fail.

        2. I think it advanced. I now know about intersectional piramides or smg like that. If u put this much money the only way to get your money back is if you sell the product to your relatives and friends and hope u reach the quota, but if you add even more money to the the previous sum then u get the customers from the guy that got u into the mess in the first place.

        3. And it’s all legal, because all I’m doing is selling videos and contracting you to do work for me. There’s no unpaid labor, and if you fail it’s obviously not because the plan is to gyp you out of money; you just didn’t try hard enough.
          I mean, if you bought the videos from me, obviously the plan can work for you. Look how well it’s working out for me!

        4. Seems legit, MAaaaaaaster Taignobias. Nothing like a Ponzi scheme.
          I’d like to gives you 200 as a beguining, just to be sure my ‘quantum vibes’ are good

        6. Excellent. The positive attitude it takes to give more than is expected helps establish the field effects that ripple outwards to produce good things in your life.
          Remember, a butterfly flaps its wings in Kansas and there’s a tsunami in Japan. State interactions resulting from positive energy tend to produce ultimate reflections of happiness.
          Imagine how much more effective it would be if you gave even more, whenever you feel moved by my excellent and wise teachings.

      2. I worked for an MLM knives business for half a day in highschool.
        I had just gotten off an all-nighter tripping balls on LSD and actually managed to drag myself to the morning orientation meeting.
        After my amazement that a set of CutCo scissors could actually cut a penny in half, I realized pretty quickly the whole thing was just meant to scam me out of $200.
        This was around the time I signed up to join the Church of Scientology, and discovered that George Orwell’s 1984 was the greatest book I had ever read.

        5. oh this shit. I remember when they were doing this with some terrible Acai drink. I used to laugh my ass off. Now it is all the Instagram whores selling “fit tea”

        6. I knew a guy fairly recently who was selling some nasty off-brand energy drink that ostensibly tasted like root beer. I think he drank or sampled-out all he bought.
          There’s a reason sites like Amazon exist: they pull together the things people want to buy and like, and they sell that. Any online presence trying to get you to push their product is almost certainly up to something.
          But I did notice most of the newer MLM scams involve consumables. It makes sense – your sellers will spend more to be able to give away samples, and if you do manage to get a legitimate repeat customer you’re all set. Essential oils, magic potions, and “superfood boost supplements” probably move more bulk than knives and scissors.

        8. MLM (Network Marketing, etc)… it’s a typical pyramid scheme and it’s been around forever. Avon, Amway, Tupperware are probably the oldest.
          From my experience, It seems like the early 90’s were the time when these companies began to proliferate, especially nutrition based products (Omnitrition, Equinox, etc.) The sales pitch would always start with a friend or an acquaintance approaching you with a seemingly innocuous request, then they would ask you how your family was doing, then they would take out their wallet and show you pictures of their family and tell you how important their financial future is to their family – then they would hit with the Sales Pitch! Holy Shit, I could write a book on “How many ways to Evade a Network Marketer!”

        10. Interesting tidbit, I grew up neighbor to Glen Turner’s estate in Florida. He did Dare to be Great, which was a pyramid scheme thing as well.

      1. Multi-Level Marketing. Aka pyramid schemes. Think “Amway”.

    3. In my blue pill days I showed up for what I thought was a date and the girl started pitching her “e-commerce” job, which involved ordering crap online and selling it in-person. She told me not to Google the name of the company because jealous people were out to slander them. I was so beta I sat through her spiel for an hour.
      Saw a similar situation play out in a Starbucks a couple years ago. The guy, to his credit, excused himself after 3 minutes. I’ve heard a lot of cults use attractive people as recruiters. There’s a lot of other parallels to cults, too. MLMs teach their members shibboleth, for instance. If you really prod at a MLMer it’s almost always the case that they’re not making money -now- but are convinced they’re on the verge of success.
      I wish more people would do some basic math. Figure out how much you make per item sold, compare to the time it takes to sell it, and see if you’re making even minimum wage.

      1. I have a better one:
        Hot girl approaches me on the street “Do u wanna be a model?”
        I answered:”How much?”
        She said: “100 euro(500 lei), but I’ll take what u have on you.”

      2. Did you try to kiss the girl at the end of the date or where you in shock at what just happened?

  3. Daytrading is more than a bit like gambling. You can’t get invested in the pot – sometimes you just have to fold your losing hand and be content. But if you can learn to come out a winner at the end of every day, even if only by pennies (after trading fees and taxes), it’s not a bad gig. I think I know one person who has managed to make it work…
    As to blogging, I just like getting my ideas out on digital paper. I turned some of my work into books that have made just enough to support the blog, and I’m actually okay with that. Of course, it doesn’t hurt to be able to tell people you have technical books available on Amazon, either.
    Right now I’m working on an online church setup. The idea is to have a website where people sick of the Churchian regime can dive into some real material, communicate with like-minded folks, and basically shoot the shit like we do on religious articles here. While it would be nice to make some money through it, that’s not really part of my plan – I just want to do it.
    And that may be the secret. As Trouble noted, he was dedicated and it ultimately paid off for him – I expect he has more fun writing than even he realizes.

  4. I’d love to know if any RoKers have made any money at day-trading. I know a few guys who have been marginally successful with it, but no one that has ever made a living at it.

    1. I met a day trader at a bar once. He told me that a person should expect to spend six months and lose half a million dollars just learning how to do it.
      Then he offered me a position at his company. Um wut? I said no. “Smart,” he said, rapping the table once with his knuckles, losing interest in me immediately. What a scuzbag.

    2. It is extremely uncommon that someone can actively manage funds better than market average. Which is why “marginally successful” is about the best anyone is going to be at it. And it has gotten even more competitive since 2008.

      1. I’ve found a lot less headache and a lot more profit just investing in some decent Equity Index funds and leaving it at that. The pros crash and burn doing market timing, I sure as hell have no chance whatsoever with it.

        1. Exactly. Even top hedge funds don’t usually beat broad index funds in the long term. And most the people that are managing funds better than average have unique advantages we will never have (can move such volume through reputation and/or shares that they can alter a stock themselves).

        2. Yep. An average annual return since the 1920’s of 7% works just peachy for me.

    1. What about lawsuits against slanderous news sites? Those are still legit ways of making money, right? 🙂
      By the way, I’m left handed and your portrayal of left handed people being monsters cuts me deep. I thought we were buddies, Davis. Heh.

      1. As long as you’re not a red haired left handed person, we still can be friends.
        If you are, i’ll be obliged to put a wood pike in your dark, soulless hart., cut your head, and burn the two parts separatly.

      3. Heh, that’s an old superstition that cropped up in Rome and China, separately; I’ve seen no evidence to support it, nor any explanation why 10% of the population is left handed.

  6. “The one huge upside to freelancing: retaining clients. If you can get just a few clients who love you and want to pay you long-term to write, or maintain their website, you’re potentially in a great situation. You don’t have to take on the biggest time sink (finding the work) of freelancing. And you have guaranteed money. You can use that spare time to build the passive income streams that we all dream of.”
    Welcome to my world. I’ve designed real estate websites for 15 years now. I have four super-successful clients. I own the websites, they lease them from me, and I pull in upwards of $60,000 per year just off of those four clients – with over $40,000 of it coming from only two of these clients. (My top client, who is the No. 1 agent in his real estate niche market, in the entire USA – my work gave him this benefit – pays me about $26,000 per year.)
    There are numerous beautiful side components – I have about 30 sites online in the major city where I currently live. I can lease them out for an average of about $2000 per year apiece. I use those strictly to corral new fish who stay with me for between one to three years. Most real estate agents suck at their craft, and they aren’t very good at selling. So I am just now getting set to lease out about 18 of those sites over the next few weeks, in packages of two (a great deal for anybody; or, an offer they can’t refuse) for a quick $20,000 or so (prices vary).
    In addition, the sites I own and lease to my clients have tremendous value, and that value continues to grow as the sites expand and generate more traffic and business. Conservatively, I own sites that are worth upwards of $15 million. One of them alone is worth at least $3 million. You can’t take it to a pawn shop, but you can sell it, eventually, to a real estate company, a broker, or an agent. (Which I plan on doing in another five years or so – maybe. Might hold on to them for longer than that.)
    There is a sea of money out there. And the Internet is the Wild, Wild West. This is about establishing a niche, and then working to own it. And it’s totally doable.

        2. Black and white, dude. White background, black font. Put your energy into the rest, header text, links, the look and feel of the rest of it. Looks like you did all that. The first version, it made my eyes go crazy. This version…I wanted to stick around and keep reading. You are barking up the right tree my friend.

        2. You should just go to every single message board you can and be like “hey guys, what do you think of my web page design”

      3. Excellent work. I see you went with the white background and black font as I suggested. That’s a winner. I really like the layout – it’s easy on the eyes and it’s easy to navigate. Good show.
        I would suggest you add at least one more photo to your articles, in order to avoid eye boredom, and enhance the visual experience. But that is a minor criticism there. You can get free photos at https://www.pexels.com/ – they have a good selection, free for commercial use. Here’s a Bing seach for “free photos” +”commercial use”, where you can find other free photos –
        http://www.bing.com/search?q=%22free+photos%22+%2B%22commercial+use%22&qs=n&form=QBLH&sp=-1&pq=%22free+photos%22+%2B%22commercial+use%22&sc=4-30&sk=&cvid=CF8C571A195444AABFEE20D7B83C53BA
        I pulled your source code on one of the articles and didn’t see any keywords listed. Do you have these cloaked? (Hidden.) Maybe I missed them, they might be there and I didn’t see them. I don’t know if you can add those at WordPress (never used it) but I would imagine so. If you don’t have keywords listed, doing so will help pull in traffic organically, from the search engines.
        There are myriad steps to this process; it’s just like climbing a ladder. Whatever rung you are on, that’s where you are, but there are many more, if you want to climb them. You will want to eventually get away from a WordPress-type setup, and have your own website online, with its very own domain. This is how you can jump up to a higher plateau, and start to work on pulling in a lot of organic traffic from the search engines and such. You can get site-building software to do this. It’s not as difficult as it might seem. After you get that going…you will be miles ahead of a lot of guys. Then the fun stuff starts, you can learn how to use titles and keywords and such to game the search engines and pull in free traffic. Nothing beats that – that’s how I get traffic for my clients, it’s all free, coming directly from the search engines, and it isn’t pay-per-click, it’s all organic.
        But I like what I see…nice job, dude.

        1. Thanks for the input. I’ve been pretty diligent with putting tags in my articles but keywords for my home page, dunno how to do it if I even can. Time to do some google searching.

    2. “There is a sea of money out there. And the Internet is the Wild, Wild West. This is about establishing a niche, and then working to own it. And it’s totally doable.”
      Interesting you mention “niche” there’s also lots of coin in tweaking, not re-inventing more traditional businesses.
      Also find it funny how often a contrarian approach in business, in general not doing what everyone else is doing, can be profitable and often less stressful as you simply don’t compete with your competitors just swoop in once and while and take work from them leaving them guessing “Who the fuck is this guy?”
      When they talk shit to others about me I know my strategy is working…
      I know other businesses and people doing this in my small little backwater town and doing very well no matter what the local economy is doing..
      Bob we could talk for days about this ….

      1. Yeah we could. If everybody says do it, do the opposite thing. Especially in web design. People kill themselves by trying to design an online, one-stop shop, for all of a person’s needs (for whatever venue; real estate, lawn furniture, whatever). It’s a tightly defined niche that is the easiest and often the most profitable. Then you work to own that niche, or own a big slice of it.
        A guy could become an Internet phenom in real estate selling yurts, for example (there’s a demand for it, and it’s “out there” – exactly what you want; low competition, and you can work to own the niche). There are countless other examples. Guys come to me with ideas all the time, and there are no bad ideas, really. But it’s the guys who want to be the next Amazon that are out of their minds – heh. That takes big money, clout and connections that the average guy doesn’t have.
        But a small niche market idea – that is where the gold is. The less-sought-after, the better. My real estate client who is tops in his field works a very tiny, very regionally defined niche. That’s what you want. Let the other guys shoot for the moon and burn up money and resources trying to get something they can never have, by casting too wide of a net. The Internet landscape is riddled with the corpses of guys like that. “Aim small, miss small.” (I think that’s from the movie, “The Patriot”…sound wisdom.)

        1. Considering the upcoming spinster bubble maybe set up a site letting them marry one of their cats.

      1. Grazie…think outside the box, work hard, avoid college whenever possible, and you’ve got a good shot at something better than the average guy gets a shot at.

    5. Any suggestions? I’ve been trying to get real estate clients for a year now. I’m in a country with four basic languages, all the real estate websites look like crap, not even video. I offer all this, and there is zero interest.

      1. When I prospect, I harvest the email addresses of real estate agents and brokers. Then I send out a slick-as-snot email marketing piece designed to get their attention. When they call me, I nail them with a prewritten phone script which funnels them where I want them to go – to a face-to-face appointment. Then, I have an online pitch that shows the success I’ve had with my top clients. If you have even one successful client, you can use that client as the centerpiece of your email pitch, your phone pitch, and your face-to-face pitch. If you don’t have that, if you have a website online that ranks high in the search engines for real estate keywords, you can make that the centerpiece of your pitches…hope this helps.

        1. You gave me a roadmap that I could use with anything. Of course it helps. I just wish you wrote an entire book on it.

    6. “There is a sea of money out there.” – Believe it!!! Speaking the Truth Bob! Great post once again! I can personally attest to this…
      In addition to my own Construction Business, I’ve done the exact same thing in my region (North Texas) with Landscape and Construction businesses that you outline in your post. A lot of business owners truly suck at selling and they’re more than willing to pay You for Your “Expertise.” It’s like watching those old infomercials about buying Real Estate… sure, there’s some value in what they’re “selling,” but the Real Money is in Selling the “How-To” – not actually about going out and knocking on doors…

      1. Yessiree…if a person has any skill they can use the Internet to parlay that skill into money. Good to hear you are jumping on that sucker, my friend. Full speed ahead and take no prisoners!

    1. Using one simple tip, you can double your income from online bullshit advertising.
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      bull.sht/4m20sle/wompa
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      If it weren’t legit, would I be making everything all bold? Of course not

      2. Shit, that’s nicely formatted. I almost reached for the ban hammer there for a second.

    2. as soon as I saw the title I raced down here to post this exact thing but you beat me to it.

  8. Kyle as usual good article. Like your topics and linear approach.
    Quick question: What do you think or know about “Drop Shipping” as an online strategy?
    Shit back in the day 2002-2005 I used to sell Japanese pressings of rock/jazz LPs as a money making hobby but you need to be in situ and have good sourcing skills for stock.

    1. Round that time I had a girlfriend who was ordering cheap-ass shoes in bulk from China and selling them on ebay for 50% markup. Problem was the shipping — she was using her apartment as a “warehouse” and she personally carted everything to the U.S. Post Office. Made a living at it, for while.
      I’ve met teenagers more recently who were middlemen for sneakerheads. There’s some side money in it.

    2. Thanks, appreciate it.
      I don’t know much about it other than I started to dabble and walked away. I didn’t want to do customer service. I want to send someone away to another and relieve the burden of service.

      1. Yeah good point. Running a small business and being a landlord I do customer service so more wouldn’t bother me.
        They key I think is of course knowing what to sell. That’s would be tricky IMO.
        Some Ebay operations make money on shipping not the product..

  9. Trading to make money is extremely difficult. In fact it is actually and art. It really is an art form.
    1) No everyone can do it.
    2) Millions of people dabble, very few succeed.
    3) Any one can teach a novice trader theory and technique, but that is not nearly enough
    4) Some people are naturally gifted (or lucky).

    1. I’m an econ major that actively managed my funds for a couple years (2011-13) and I did no better than market average despite many man hours of research. It’s very rare that someone can actively manage their funds better than market average.

    2. Agree with 1,2,3, but not agree with 4. There’s no such thing as naturally gifted. All skills are learned.

  10. 3: Brand—putting my face out there made a huge difference.
    do you think this is necessary with all types of online businesses?

  11. I have been thinking of writing college papers for philosophy classes. There are a few paper mill companies that would be glad to have me seeing as I used to be an academic shitface and have loads of worthless education. I could pop out sophomore and junior philosophy papers with my eyes closed. Not sure I really want o do it though.

    1. my girlfriend makes $125 tutoring <= 12 year olds…
      She recommended I do it with Software undergrads– definitely not for me…
      However, I think is very high hourly rate – -and for you may be some hotties in Philosophy…

    2. I could give German, French, Portuguese, Bulgarian and Vietnamese language lessons … but I don’t want to.

      1. you could give “i am a troglodytic dipshit” lessons too. I fail to see the point.

        1. You sounded like a girl there who could not make up her little mind and so I was ridiculing it.

    3. I hate to cut into my own hobby sideline, but academiccomposition.com would probably love to have you. That’s exactly what they do – they charge by the word for everything from polish to entire papers extracted swiftly from one’s ass.
      Starting around mid-semester, the available work tends to start stacking up. If you’re really interested, it’s worth a shot – you can usually pull somewhere close to $30/hour depending on the content (science papers will drop you way lower, but “why white middle-class people suck” papers can push you higher).

  12. Another issue with trading is there are plenty of scams – -brokers manipulating taking offside of trade etc…
    Stay away from that…

  13. 3 Online Moneymaking Strategies You Should Avoid:
    1. Web-cams.
    2. Professional Instawhore or Snapchat whore.
    3. Get paid to go on dates with lesser betas and omegas whom they’ve met online.
    Only work for women (and gays). The worst males bring the worst out of women, with a partial reservation on 2 since many girls follow social media celebs.

      1. Sadly, it is.
        It’s basically the same as serial dating. You know the type – girls who have a cadre of orbiters that feed them and buy them shiny things. The only difference here is that they’re doing it online and taking gift cards instead of things.

        1. If Japan is any predictor of the future, there will soon be a niche for men, especially Betas. The “rent a boyfriend” shit going on there, where a woman will rent a man to sit and listen to her “talk about her day” or “comfort her” and all that other bullshit, without any sex. It is, in fact, THE perfect money making opportunity for hard blue pill betas, because it will be just like normal life, except with an hourly rate.

        3. Now really, I don’t see that happening. Girls don’t do that “listen to my day” thing to men because they just want you to listen. They do it specifically to torture you as a man, because they know and have heard a bajillion times that men want to fix problems and that it drives us crazy to hear problems without any expectation of solving the problem. Ergo, to do it to robots, would be pointless, robots don’t care.

        4. I read somewhere that there is a service where attractive educated men (doctors, lawyers, engineers, etc.) can get hired by older women as boyfriends-for-a-night. I want to say it operates somewhere like New York, but the idea is that they take the man out to a social gathering, lie for a few hours, and slip the guy a few hundred on the way out the door.
          To be honest, that’s part of why I’m trying to keep fit. I would love to supplement my income a few years down the line.

        7. hah.
          any attempt to provide a solution has a negative outcome…
          only learnt that latter tin life…

        8. i reckon you’re onto something there.
          perhaps a couple’s hybrid doll…
          nodding in the front for the wife…
          party out back for the husband.
          call it the mullet

        9. Yes. Some of these things have happened in the past, in the West too, not only in Japan; albeit the global gigolo has been relatively limited.
          However, there is an asymmetrical relationship between the sexes also in this respect. I mean, fatties think that they can reject attractive men online, so why would they pay for them?
          On the other hand they are willing to pay a little bit for the attention fix (narcisstistic supply), such as Tinder. Feminism and you-go-girl-ism create disposable extra income so it is logical that women pay for their needs, and some things they like go beyond shopping.

        10. I’ve tried to nip that shit in the bud. Of course, the wife will still want to go on about her day, but the 45 minute long torture fests I’ve just refused to engage in. Normally I’ll give it 15 minutes or so, and if it stretches longer, ask a bit sarcastically “So…what do you want me to solve?”

        12. I met my girlfriend after her her usual walk with friend/workmate.
          And she proceed to launch into the regurgitation of the day’s drama.
          I said “perhaps you should’ve taken a longer walk…”

        16. I don’t think they could pay me enough for that, I would end up hanging myself or stepping in front of a train or something.

        18. I’m sure it drives you all crazy, but that’s not the intent. Women connect via an emotional purge and whinefest. The problem is the Law of Equality has taught them to connect this way with men, despite men responding best to other methods. It’s not meant to torture, it’s just misdirected emotion hopelessly searching for a call and response exchange. It’s sad if you think about. Otherwise, sure , if you want a problem solved, ask a man. If you want to talk it out, call your friends. They’re both valid aims.

  14. I’m currently designing a “Kickstarter” campaign to start my business: its something to fill the time till my tax rebate comes in and I can develop the flagship product.
    Thing about Kickstarter is your project requires that element to make people go “OMG I MUST SHARE THIS WITH EVERYONE!”. Especially since mine would need at least $750k. Have to take into account the minimum amount of money the campaign would gain, taxes, cost, quantity and source of the rewards, property, structures, laser tag equipment… I can see why they don’t teach how to start a business in college, few Profs have done so.

    1. I’d think Kickstarter would be easy to game.
      “I need $1.5 million to finance the laboratory and equipment necessary to bring my cold fusion project into commercial production”
      I mean, wouldn’t any fantasy work (or am I misunderstanding Kickstart, I’ve never actually used it or even been to the website)?

      1. You could put up just about anything, but getting people to believe in it enough to give money is another story. Or simply say “in the event of complications excess funds will be turned over for employee use” (aka if I don’t feel like it I keep the money).
        Then you get weird things like “Potato Stock”.

        1. So you’re saying that I shouldn’t tell people that I intend to package it as a Mr. Fusion then?

      2. Well, I know of at least one prominent feminist who raised close to a million dollars for a set of videos she never produced.
        No, that’s not fair. She produced almost half of the videos in several times as many months as she promised, and from what I understand she officially nixed the rest.

  15. Except that I know men who have tons of money doing all those things. What’s the OP annual income, and net worth?

    1. I know people who got rich off of Amway too. Professional sports players also make a ton of dough most of the time.
      But I wouldn’t recommend these to anybody in general, since the odds of being that one in 5 million runs about 1:5,000,000 (or so they tell me).

      1. Sorry but I prefer to take career advice from people that are actually successful.

        1. Yeah, me too, that’s why I don’t think that dealing with fringe odds is a great way to plan your life. Give it a shot, by all means, but be sure to have a real career to fall back on when it fails. And chances are, it will fail.

        2. Except that you have no idea what level of success I have attained. Which means you’re really trying to justify your own life choices.

        3. Yeah man, that’s what I’m doing, sure enough. And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren’t for you meddling kids and your dog.
          What do “you” have to do with it anyway, you haven’t claimed to be into this initially, you said that you “knew people”. How can I be undermining something you’re doing if I didn’t know you were doing it?
          But back here in reality ville, I did note that some can succeed at it. No question. Absolutely true. The chances of making a viable living at it are pretty slim for almost everybody else who tries it though, ergo, I’d probably advise most young men to find careers *outside* of MLM pyramid schemes.
          I suspect that a pro-athelete would berate me for advising young men in high school to maybe consider a career other than NFL quarterback, just as a fall back, too.
          My own life choices don’t need justified by the way, I’m doing great. How I managed to do so without getting involved in Amway is anybody’s guess though, I’ll grant you that.

        4. The article wasn’t about MLM or pro sports. But if you are defensive about your life choices, you’re going to deflect any way you can.

        6. So its trolling if you found a way to be independent and successful? When did ROK become about hand holding for males having their mid-life crisis?

        7. Is that what it is? What do I have to be defensive about precisely?
          Notice how you had to make this about “me” and go all ad hominem? That’s how I know that ultimately my point was correct, you couldn’t refute it, you simply started trying to make it personal.
          And thus it goes.

  16. I just released a book and I’ve been scrambling to find ways to market it.

  17. Kratom distribution? a-la avon? I come to your house, punch the door down, rape your wife and you pay me.

    1. But wait…that’s a *successful* business model.

  19. Women pay me to give them pleasure………well, not really but, if they paid me I would try….come to think of it, I may be willing to practice for FREE.
    Oh yeah, and I make $98 per hour on the Internet, you can too by sending me your money

  20. I run a successful SJW group called Not In The Ass. We try to reduce sexual violence towards women by recent Islamic immigrants by running seminars promoting vaginal rape over the more painful anal rape. So far I have raised over 500,000 Euros from the German and Swedish governments. There is always money in the promotion of virtue.

  21. Stock trading can still be achieved while having the safety of a fulltime job – most stock brokers / banks have mobile / cell phone friendly sites just remember to take at least half your profits out in cash and place in a bank account or home loan.

  22. Bullshit.
    I’ve been a freelance blogger for 10 years and never once has it interfered with my job as a daytrader. I pull in hundreds of dollars per month doing practically nothing at all. Plus, kratom.

  23. Completely disagree with day trading being a bad option, the logic is not even SLIGHTLY sound. As a day trader myself, I know the ONLY obstacle to overcome is your mindset.

  26. Did swing trading for a while (holding positions for several weeks or longer), much less stressful than day trading and easier to gauge movements based on real news rather than technical noise.
    It’s good to train yourself very thoroughly on both the platform you plan on using (there are many out there, proprietary and otherwise) and your methodology so you thoroughly know the system before getting into the actual trading. Sort of like training on a flight simulator before getting into a cockpit.
    The killer that all the models and simulations don’t teach you is trading fees which can eat up your meager profits especially in small positions. Also the delay that can occur between pushing “sell” and your position actually selling, during which time the price can change against you. In heavy trading this can range to several minutes while you sit helplessly watching the price tank, even though you pulled the trigger at exactly the right time (you think.)
    And never forget there’s a human on the other side of the trade who’s thinking the opposite of your. Worse, it’s a pro working for the market based on volume and commission who doesn’t care if the stock goes up or down as long as a trade is made.
    I got burnt more than once putting in a sell on, say, 100 shares, which normally *should* go all-or-none (generating one fee) only to see on my screen that it got sold in two or more blocks (generating multiple fees of course and wiping out whatever profit there might’ve been.)
    Options sound more interesting than stocks and are worth studying; the idea of being able to sell off a portion of the upside and insure yourself on the downside in advance is appealing, but again it’s those fees and commissions that will kill small profits.

    1. Are there any good resources out there that are not some scammer trying to rip you off?
      I looked at a few but for each one there are posts, comments and pages calling them scams to at least some degree, and some pure scams.

  27. I extremely disagree with number 2 blogging.
    How come roosh (the owner of ROK) or Victor pride (bold and determined website) make tons of money from blogging?
    I’m calling it bullshit.

    1. Can you read?
      I said in it I make my living off my blog myself. I said I wouldn’t do it again.
      Roosh + Vic are 2 people. How many millions of blogs out there don’t make a cent?
      Think.

  31. Funny you should mention freelancing, I’ve been doing that for 3 years now, and making decent money, doing pretty well. Since I live in India, what I make can be considered to be very good money, but in the US, it’s probably not much. Point is, freelancing can work for you if you live in a low income, low expense country.

  33. Best thing about freelance is that you don’t have to talk to HR managers which can randomly reject you job for stupid reasons.
    Another thing about freelance is that you have more options what you want to do (if you have skills). In office you do only for what you was hired.

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