We are all witnesses to online dating evolution. At first, it was primarily for single mothers who had an easy way to find themselves a new beta to provide for her and her kids. In the 90’s, the mail order bride was the most popular on the online dating scene, but web sites like Match.com and OkCupid got very large fairly quickly.
By 2010, online dating websites became the best place for women to get validation from betas and to choose top 20% of guys to have sex with.
Today, classic dating sites are slowly but surely dying while sugar baby sites are on the rise. Not only has their user base grown tremendously over the past few years but this kind of relationship has been more and more pushed as normal into the mainstream media. Even feminists found a way to support it. Owners of these sites are speaking freely on Oprah, CNN, and others, doing what they know best, marketing their websites.
Thanks to the unbalanced sexual marketplace and declining public morals, being a sugar baby is a new way to monetize your body as a woman.
But what are the consequences? Men have to ask ourselves what will happen when every hot girl realizes she can get $1000-5000 a month selling her body without any social repercussions (because she won’t be seen as a prostitute, but as a “sugar baby”). If you are tempted to think that easy lays on Tinder are going to last forever, this is what you need to know.
1. Sugar daddy dating sites are growing at a fast pace
Going back to 2012, the main sugar daddy dating site (Seeking Arrangement) was still in the shadows. And to be honest, it was suspicious. I got a lot of messages from girls in other countries far from the US that I thought were fake. And I still do. But not in the sense that they were bot or men, but that those girls are paid to message you, especially when your membership is about to end.
Fast forward to today, the site looks way better with a new design, there are no fake messages and the best part is that now you have a lot of options. If you sign up, I guarantee that you will find at least one girl you know from Tinder or elsewhere. And I also guarantee that she is going to be ten times more receptive.
As far as the statistic goes, the site had only 2 million signed up globally in 2012. This year it has nearly ten million. Out of ten million, 8 million are sugar babies. 3.25 million users are in the United States only. Are we witnessing an all-out boom in casual mass prostitution encouraged by the media?
2. It’s Becoming Mainstream
The sugar baby concept is slowly but surely pouring into the mainstream entertainment media and pop culture. It started in 2014 when Brandon Wade (owner of Seeking Arrangement), with two sugar babies, talked on The View with Jenny McCarthy. They talked about being a prostitute on live TV and people applauded them.
When it comes to serial programming, the TV show Easy has an episode which basically promotes being a sugar baby. The main character is, of course, the positive feminist activist and writer (but also a prostitute) who lives in Manhattan and whose lifestyle is funded by her beta-box “side-hustles.”
There are many more examples, like the popular female rapper Cardi B who basically raps about being a sugar baby and “making money.” One of her songs have around half a billion views now. Let that sink in.
3. Not every girl knows about it, but once they do…
If you are using Tinder, you probably stumbled into girls that put in account details of Venmo, a mobile paying service. They feel no shame in turning men into their personal ATMs.
But would these girls ask for $10 if they only knew how to google “sugar daddy dating”? What are they going to do when they find out they can find a sugar daddy that will give them $1000 a month just for their company?
Once good looking girls realize how much money they can make and how their lifestyle can be improved by monetizing their body, most will simply be unable to resist the temptation.
4. Most Guys Are Tired Of Regular Online Game
For those of you that aren’t lazy and have been working out regularly, it’s quite easy to get good pictures, become complacent, and then rely solely on online game since you can technically approach girls until you score. But let’s face it, in the regular online game, for the most part, you are just a guy that gives her temporary validation. As soon as she feels validated, you are no longer interesting.
It was determined that a man of average attractiveness would be liked by one out of 115 women on Tinder. It’s similar with OK Cupid. So, what about men that don’t get matches? Are they going to get tired of this? Are they going to think that they can have much more success being a sugar daddy on other dating websites? Or maybe they will go the salt daddy route (a fake sugar daddy who lies about his net worth and don’t pay girls after sex).
5. Student Debt
There is no way to escape a simple fact that student debt loan is now around 1.5 trillion dollars, spread out among 44 million borrowers of which two-thirds are women.
When you register on SA, you will certainly notice that the number of female students using this app is massive. And they all want one thing, “a little financial help to finish my studies.” Money that was supposed to go for paying the debt probably went on something useless, so when the devil comes for what’s his, they are relentlessly trying to find out a way to keep up with the high lifestyle and still be able to solve their debt problem. Finding a sugar daddy or being an escort is a perfect way to do it.
Conclusion
Make no mistake, the sugar revolution is coming. I have already accepted that and if you also want to adapt to this massive shock to the sexual marketplace, instead of focusing on the past, make sure to check out my review of Seeking Arrangement.
Read More: How To Meet Women Through Sugar Daddy Dating Sites
“…SUGAR DADDY WEBSITES ARE THE FUTURE OF ONLINE DATING”
Heck…the Russians are way ahead!
Good times Create Weak Men…..
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/penniless-student-wins-marriage-multi-12609358
#WhiteLivesMatter.
The Russians? Would that be the same Russia that has one of the lowest birthrates in Europe and some of the highest rates of immigration (mostly from the countries of the former Soviet Union)?
The same Russia that most Russians are so desperate to leave?
The same Russia where large percentage of men die in their 40s of cancer of alcohol-related health problems?
The same Russian that is know for its prostitutes abroad?
Sure you know Russia better. Do not let facts get in your way.
The same Russia that has a higher birthrate than most EU members even without a flood of Arabs and Africans.
This behavior will peak for a couple of years until the trolls and shit posters figure out how to turn it on its head.
This is why I have always thought that Game is a stupid idea as it in fact submissive. It works by mimicking women’s behavior via tricks, deceit, outright lies and dishonesty.
Game is Feminism’s little retarded brother.
Women are only interested in themselves and what you can do for them. Sex for them is a way of getting what they want not the end goal as it is with boys.
I contracts warts from an Asian this year.
to say only white women have it is ridiculous
Fuck using a sugar daddy dating site. Just use a escort you pay the bitch to leave that’s what I do! Chasing women is a waste of time and money. If I want pussy I will hire a escort you pay the bitch to leave.
“pay the bitch to leave”
well, they are so bitchy they’ll leave even if you don’t pay them for that.
Oh you’ll pay them all right. Via frivorce.
whores are used up cum dumpster: you cant eat her vagi, you cant kiss her, you cant even finger her, you cant smell on her ass, you cannot go without condom. yeah sounds like fun banging a prostitute.
“Sugar Babies” are whores as well.
You can get STD from one of them faster and easier than from a real professional hooker.
Oh, you thought as “Suggar Daddy” you will be the only one who fucks her?
As if she was your girlfriend?
LOL
“You can get STD from one…”
Same goes for Tinder girls, Bar/Club sluts, Sorority girls, Spring Breakers, etc..
Anyone looking for “riskless” sex should be looking for a girlfriend in church. And even then…
Automatic
Even most church girls aren’t exempt
STDs are easily fixed, usually less unpleasant than a cold.
I’m thinking the guys worried about STDs haven’t had much (if any) sex with another person in the room.
warriorhun,
It’d be interesting to hear what STDs you are scared of catching and why?
JOHN
I would not want to genital warts again and that STD is easy to catch from women.
There is nothing worse that having the warts burned off your penis, let me tell you.
JOHN
I contracted genital warts merely because my junk briefly contacted her ass after the condom was off.
You have to have genital warts burned off with dry ice. No fun at all.
v
presumably the laws of immunology apply to genital warts, once you’ve had them, you’re immune.
JOHN
Note-
White women seem to pass around Herpes and warts. I’ve never even heard of a man contracting it in Asia.
It’d be interesting to hear what STDs you are scared of catching and why?
Anything starting with a C. Chlamydia, Candida, Condyloma.
Because it is shit to have them, and lots of hookers have them, thats why.
warriorhun,
Those diseases have little or no effect on men. Usually a temporary decrease in fertility, which isn’t a concern to most men. Easily cured with a one week course of antibiotics that costs around $2.
PS,
I caught Candida from my wife, and she was a virgin when I met her.
From what I have seen, these women are not all that desirable.
Desirability has changed. It used to mean desirable, now it means easy.
The majority of these women are very average looking. Certainly not a prize I would pay for
The Internet,
Why can’t you do any of those things?
I’ve not worn a condom in nearly 10 years.
When I get approached I just tell the girls I’m Catholic, is that a problem?
If it was a problem (hasn’t been so far), I’d just let another girl approach me.
“I’ve not worn a condom in nearly 10 years.”
uh and you are the guy who advocate banging prostitutes all the time here.
seriously man ?
i dont know, you made a deal in your life that you rather “willingly” killed off your shame, hesitation, doubt, pride etc. going by the decision to eat hookers anuses, vaggies, and tounge kiss them and raw dogging them … im not willing to take that deal hahaha… i dont like to slurp sperm out of a vagina. my deal is also quite sad: to not using cum dumpster sluts, so that means no sex for the most part of my life… please kill me LOL…
MM 69s his cheap gook streetwalkers after other johns unload their man milk in em.
With either of these choices why is there no refund policy?
Are you very veryy jelly that ur parents didnt leave u with a prospering business and wealth and u have to grind some mediocre wage to cover ur rent and basic stuff?? Yeah, some people have it all, others don’t…
bad news (again). reminds me the movie “Soylent Green” where hot chicks are “furniture” for the happy few wealthy men.
gee.. how the hell a normal guy is supposed to give 1000$ for a couple of dates with a girl each month.. ?? I think in the future the number of incels will explose.. more Rodger and Minassian on the way.
If and when enough men stop marrying so there are enough single mothers and the job market gets bad enough so that these single mothers turn en masse to soft prostitution to make ends meet, prices will collapse, so stop worrying about $1000/month for a few dates. Several low paid HB5 schlubs will share an HB5 single mother, same type of girl they would have married in the old days, each guy paying a small percentage of his paycheck, same percentage as men paid to support a stay home wife in the old days, and there will be some emotional connection between the woman and the guys supporting her. Because the guys are paying, the single mother will be polite and sexually accommodating versus a bitch like now. Those single mothers who continue to act like bitches will lose their male support group and be punished by being forced to work at shit jobs as society cuts back the welfare system because of the government going broke. This is how things work in places like the Philippines now, but most mongers just see the hard prostitution side of things, which is too harsh for most women to accept.
If and when enough men stop marrying so there are enough single mothers and the job market gets bad enough so that these single mothers turn en masse to soft prostitution to make ends meet, prices will collapse, so stop worrying about $1000/month for a few dates. Several low paid HB5 schlubs will share an HB5 single mother, same type of girl they would have married in the old days, each guy paying a small percentage of his paycheck, same percentage as men paid to support a stay home wife in the old days, and there will be some emotional connection between the woman and the guys supporting her. Because the guys are paying, the single mother will be polite and sexually accommodating versus a bitch like now. Those single mothers who continue to act like bitches will lose their male support group and be punished by being forced to work at shit jobs as society cuts back the welfare system because of the government going broke. This is how things work in places like the Philippines now, but most mongers just see the hard prostitution side of things, which is too harsh for most women to accept.
Thrifty bros can throw in on a sugar baby timeshare when money is tight.
test
The single women who are not single mothers will not be pushed into prostitution, so they will continue to be part of harems kept by top tier men, same as now, the hypergamy that is shafting lower tier men. The mentality that allows a woman to forego children is obviously non sustainable. So one generation and these sterile harpies are gone, and with them the feminist true believers, and what’s left are women who desperately want children.
Ideologies don’t die with the individual. They ever infect the next generation. But yeah, in one form or another, harems are where we’re headed.
The reason bottom 80% guys are struggling now is both they and the existing single mothers refuse to allow multiple men to share a single woman. The shaming language of the manosphere is part of the problem. “Dont be a cuck by supporting another man’s child!!!” Fact is, the cuck hold all the cards in the scenario I envision, assuming the cuck doesn’t stupidly wife up the single mother. Its the biological father who is forced to pay child support, but gets nothing in return of the woman doesn’t want to give anything. Meanwhile, the cuck can stop giving her money anyone he wants. If she pisses off all her cucks, then off she goes to work at some minimum wage job with no benefits and a crap split schedule. Lost tier guys should embrace cuckery, but not as a married cuck. Embrace it as the guy who steps in and helps out a single mother in exchange for sex and other services. Dont love with her either, since then you risk common law marriage. Live with your male friends, let the single mother live with her brood, stop in now and then to say hello to her and empty your balls and maybe get a sandwich or do your laundry.
multiple men to share a women?
How many dicks did she suck that day?
I agreed with you at first, but then I read it again…and wow. Total dystopian nightmare.
Women already have male harems doing all of their chores and paying off their debts, and a stable of chads they are fucking. The difference is her male-utility depot is platonic, with each simp being unaware of any other beta-orbiter in the rotation. Almost like some Reservoir Dogs operation turned on its head because of the sneaky nature of women.
I agree that a stepfather can be an alpha if he worms his way into a single-mother’s (or married mother’s) established life and then decouples her from her children (if he really wants used pussy that badly), since mothers will choose a lover over their own children at certain points, just like some will choose drugs/partying…if only momentarily.
One strategy I endorse is ‘dating’ a young, single mom, but nothing long-term. She is just practice since she is basically like a high school preggo dropout.
Like a 20-year-old with a toddler (anxiously awaiting the day she can dump the kid off in kindergarten), who has already overburdened grandma with babysitting, works a part-time job, does the futile night school thing (incurring student loan debt) and then taking care of the little brat in between, without getting much sleep or time for a social life.
That leaves little time for a BF, but just enough space in her calendar for a few cathartic fuck sessions, like how high schoolers ‘date.’
This temporary arrangement functions as a low-investment ‘relationship,’ keeping your sex skills sharp without concerning yourself with the goings-on of said THOT.
That is the best thing a man can do for children that aren’t his: STAY OUT OF THEIR LIVES.
Involving yourself does nobody any favors since that uncomfortable, hostile otherness never subsides because it isn’t natural.
You guys just have bad imaginations and inability to calculate long term. When a woman has a male harem, other women are deprived of men and this fixes the sex ratio. Who cares if yours is the tenth dick she sucked today versus the tenth serially monogamous relationship she’s been in? They’re all sluts nowadays. It’s this insistence on having temporary exclusive monogamy that gives so much sexual power to women, because it causes men to fight among one another. If the men shared, the tables world be turned very quickly. Create a situation where the girl is faced with a choice: have sex with lots of guys or else work some shit minimum wage job. Young women will take the first option as long as they don’t get shamed for it like you guys are doing.
My very last ‘date’ was at a comedy club, and the comic started interacting with the table in the corner. It was two jovial couples composed of pudgy, soy-boy beta males and homely THOTs. They all claimed to be dating each other heterosexually.
Here is how your proposal goes awry…Women are serial monogamous. They date vertically, like they are climbing a stepladder (but never in reverse), rather than dating horizontally like an Adonis with a harem of rotating concubines on his Lazy Susan waterbed.
That is why feminists always lament the ‘glass-ceiling,’ but never the ‘glass basement.’
So naturally, favoritism and backstabbing occur because it dovetails with natural female surreptitiousness in her womanly quest for the best, which also happens to be a risqué turn-on (making the means to an end, an end in itself), and thus begetting the inevitable male hierarchy, which will exist no matter what because women summon the male aristocrats (Briffault’s Law) from their commoner origins.
Women may always throw some pittance pussy to her ‘husband’ (mortgage), but only because she always pivots back to him (as a nominal front) after completing her individual trysts. Other than that, women are not really polyamorous.
The platonic male harem exists in multilayered safety-nets, always ready to catch the irresponsible female acrobat as she pirouettes away from any blame:
1.Welfare (government) – divorce/laws/cops, single-motherhood
2.Charity (Evangelism) – marriage, single-motherhood
3.Chivalry (beta-orbiting) – chores, unrequited friendship
This nexus is called Gynocentrism, which doesn’t even include feminism/Cultural Marxism. So that is what we’re up against.
You take out one spoke in the umbrella of Gynocentrism, the human female will just monkey-branch to another in her quest for higher-quality nuts.
So expecting an aristocracy of alphas (and wannabe social-climber betas) to be cooperative in eschewing their monopoly on easy pussy is not going to happen.
If you want to deprive women, you starve them of beta ‘equity’ (time/energy/resources), which Chad cannot and will not harness for her. They will always get sex because of the value of prowess they ennoble Chads with, but it’s for her worthless if she cannot gain the existential resources that were historically concomitant with copulating.
My proposal already exists and has since the beginning of time. World’s oldest profession, though the softer version where there is some emotional connection and she only see a limited number of customers. If enough betas give up marriage and regular girlfriends in favor of paying explicitly, you have a situation like in SE Asia, where the women no longer have much sexual power. I’m assuming, of course, that all the welfare, etc goes away as the government goes broke. I mentioned that in my uppermost comment.
Wondering why I changed my name? Trying to figure out why my comment wouldn’t post. Evidently, WordPress censors “c*uckoldry”
@randomguy
Go out and hit on 5 girls a day. Use simplepickup bootcamp
Ron, have your heard of Paris ?
“ Soylent green“. What a impressive movie.Saw it more than 20 times.
It plays in the year 2022.What a damn shocking (possible) future.Iam sure in 4 years our world will not be that catastrophic as portrait in the movie.You will still be able to eat your steak and fresh food every day.
But there is hope.Shirl is the hot girl, but her (much older) rich owner gets killed.The owner was obviously a nice guy and provider type.He even didnt fight back when his murder came to kill him.After that Shirl
fucks with Charlton Heston.He plays a very poor cop, but he is very masculine and dominant.He never asks, he always takes what he wants.Shirl obviously really likes his presence and asks him to stay cause she doesnt want to be alone and doesnt want to be treated as “furniture“ and doesnt like her new owner.
Its only a movie, but that could mean that game and masculine behaviour will even work in totally messed up future.
the future is getting worse day by day.
and as always, feminists, leftists and beta males are to blame for the newest shit to come.
I hope tough times are coming, my be a war, a disease or an economic crash, because this humanity badly needs a reboot. And i frankly don’t care if i get wasted in the process, i think i’ve seen enough.
We need a war that wipes out a decent number of men to reset the SMP.
that, and also wipes all those useless fat ugly blue hair feminists and females who have no talents nor competences except posting selfies on social networks or managing their herd of betas on fbook.
The reset need to be applied on those garbage people too.
We win by dying? Fuck that noise.
betas, fags and soyboys would be the first victims.
Red pill men would have a chance to last longer.
Most probably betas, fags and soyboys would be the victims of evil thugs , savages and red pill men… i won’t be sad for them, they’ll have to pay soon or later for all the shit they have done to society.
Legalize prostitution
@trollstein
I have $65k in rent income from rental properties that my parents brought and have given to me.
In 5 years (when I’m 34), another 5 units will be paid off, and I’ll have another $65k, making it $130k in total.
U MAD?
future sugar daddy spotted lol
Ima boss!
No. Because I am fucking her on the side for the price of a couple of pitchers of beer and some smart assed asshole game.
And what a time it is.
bought*
yearly income that is
$65k a year now
$130k a year in 5 years
@ Ron
You have very good parents.
We should all be so lucky.
I had to do it on my own with no help from them.
And then got screwed over on the will by my evil mother and sister.
Do you have siblings? I am guessing you do not.
Good luck.
“Without Italian-American mothers…who would need therapy?” (Tony Soprano)
Sorry, Slim…just couldn’t resist this.
Hahaha!
Jewish Mothers the worst hands down
The JUs that wrote the Soriano steins left that out
I have a sister but she works in finance and has no interest in real estate. I run a property business with them so get that $. I’m hoping to make more in property
@ Ron.
Be careful.
My reptilian sister is a Financial advisor and took over my mother’s accounts after my father died. We were 50/50 as beneficiaries on all accounts when my father died. When my witch of a mother died, it was somehow 100/0. Never trust sisters. Never.
@AS: welcome to the crowd. My sister moved my senile father to remote farm out of state (madmans Leatherface dancing with a chainsaw on the road sort of place), then he died soon thereafter from “accidental fall”. Will gave everything to her.
This sort of thing is common. I know a sister that gifted parents house to herself after both parents died then booted out the brother. I’ve never heard a story where the brother does the same to the sister(s). In most cases the guys just take it and do little to nothing to prevent or reverse it. That’s part of the problem.
In eastern europe (where I live) this thing is called “looking for sponsor” and here it exists from beginning of 90ties. So what? Prostitution here is legal also. Do you think that it changes something in general? Absolutely no. Everyone here understand that this is a form of prostitution, whatever you call it.
what you don’t seem to grasp, is that dating will be replaced in the long run by sugar daddying. ok prostitution was a niche for some bitches but the risk is that it will be a standard in the future due to feminists and leftists who promote that like another bullshit of female empowerment. See the point ?
maybe in west it will be a norm, but not in eastern Europe – it actually exists here for almost 30 years, and it is still not a norm. Because slut shaming inside society (not publicly) is still very high. Yes- all this time here are some percentage of young females who live such lifestyle, but it is minority. Game is not faking that you are desirable man, game is- to be one. I have banged girls who has sponsors for free. And once one post wall slut said to me – those who can’t get sex for free- we let them pay for it. I didn’t pay her nothing.
your comment just emphasize the cultural difference between east and west : mostly all west women are gullible garbage who’ll adopt every new bullshit as the new best trend to have/be. That’s why the west is doomed and red pill people consider to move due east.
Ahhh… “sponsorship”
You may appreciate this website:
http://tagthesponsor.com/
Just a human
Western society is doomed because masculinity is in rapid decline. This does not apply to Russia/Eastern Europe. Russia/Eastern Europe society will never fall because men are still very masculine. Even Russian liberals are way more masculine than the soyboy cuckservatives from the west.
it is not that simple.
Russia/Eastern Europe probably has more gold-diggers and prostitutes than anywhere else in the world (including southeast Asia).
If you are still want to go and meet women there, by all means do so. Just don’t say nobody has warned you.
Peter Frazer
You’re right about Russian/Eastern-European gold-digging cunts & prostitutes. But again it’s nothing new phenomenon to us. We don’t put such women on pedestal. In fact slut-shaming is very strong here. You wouldn’t see any Slavic man marrying a post-wall bitch. Some Russian media outlets have openly mocked French president Macron from his granny-aged wife. Even Putin himself thrown jokes at Macron. Can you imagine something like that is happening in the highly PC environment in West.
Also dis you see “Pussyriot” being lynched by the Cossack security for desrepecting & breaking Russian laws. You will never see such thing happening in the West.
Meh.
Seeking Arrangement is OK I suppose. The ones asking for $1 – 3K per month (“practical” arrangement) are not that hot. Some are dogs. Many are simply low volume escorts, looking for pay as you meet.
They call that level “negotiable” or “open”.
The ones looking for “high” and “extravagant” arrangements are just plane out of their minds.
AUTOMATIC
Who wants to use the same professional more than once or twice? A few incredible pros I rehired…but…
have you ever licked/kissed a pro`?
All the time.
What’s the difference between a pro and a club pickup.
There are only so many virgins, and most guys don’t get one.
Internet
Never, but I was squeamish about doing this with non-ho’s.
I laugh at so many guys verbalizing anger towards the degenerating dating market place, thots gettin worse everyday, alphas, betas, harems, chads,LOL. Its all a language I dont even speak cuz I’ve only been rejected from chicks, never had a gf, lost my v to basically a homeless hoe way after most guys do. I maybe get laid every few years to a drunk 3 or 4. Never will see her again after a couple bangs. Im also dirt poor, no prospects for a future other that min wage manual labor till I decide to end it. You dorks remind me of entitled baby boomers mad cuz your steak is to well done, whining about money & game n all. f.u.
I used to eat their stink hole.
only eastern beauties though
White ones I wouldn’t let go near my mouth
As an SD, take it from me, the sugar bowl, as it’s called, is a total waste land. It used to be good–to even very good–pre 2014, not anymore. The author of this article is out of touch. Maybe it will get better someday, not any time soon IMO.
The sugar baby websites are a mess nows, true, but there are still lots of struggling single mothers who are unwilling to engage in hard prostitution but wouldn’t mind lowering their boyfriend standards in exchange for some financial help. Always have been single mothers like that, in fact.
goat
yes, single mothers like that have always been around.
And what do those single mothers typically look like?
Pretty bad, most of them. But be realistic. A very few guys can expat, another minority are the top tier guys who are drowning in pussy. Average guys are then fighting for scraps and hifhest bidder wins. Marriage is one thing to offer, but the sex only lasts until the ceremony, then she’s got you by the balls. Okay, so you don’t marry. You could wank, but most guys are unsatisfied with non stop wanking. You could go after the crazy women who aren’t married and also aren’t single mothers because they hate children. Not a good idea as discussed elsewhere in this site. Go through all the options. Bottom line, the overweight but not disgustingly obese single mothers are the best realistic option for the average guy. Average guys are not going to get the really pretty girls because of hypergamy, and if they did get them, there is a big danger of being sucked into marriage. Wait until you expat and then get a woman and family of your own.
“Very few guys can expat”
If they could, a great many of them would not post here.
The core problems on this site are SJW and getting laid.
Moreover, most of the guys on this site simply have no initiative in my opinion.
goat
For most guys it is a matter of initiative.
goat
Very few young white men have the initiative to expat.
They just sit around in their suburb complaining about (Them) and playing video games and living at home and making love to their keyboard.
The one day they are 30 and have been nowhere and the companies they worked for don’t give a shit about them anyhow.
In NYC the single mothers are fucking rich…
And less intense-toxic-insanity than a 30 something with baby rabies…
Hate to support them because they probably ruined some suckers life – but I need sex too…
CAPTAIN
In some ways I agree.
Expatting like madman proposes just isn’t possible for most guys, and it’s actually pretty stupid for most guys, since most big salary jobs are in the western developed world. Expatting is great AFTER you retire, but most guys need to stay in the West to earn the money to retire. So what to do while waiting to retire? Wanking is the ultimate low-cost solution. Sharing a sugar baby is probably next cheapest, all things considered. Best choice are the single mothers who already have as many children as they want. Avoid marriage and children of your own (on the West) like the plague. If you really want a family, wait until you retire young and ex pat.
goat
Big salary jobs are in the Western World.
This is true of London, UK and US populations centers on either coast. If you’re from somewhere like Detroit you have zero to lose by being employed overseas.
Also, though salary is less, quality of life is a huge factor. I’m not going to waste my life in a shit town or shit city just because I make 20% more.
I have an easy answer to this
Scam away! Full speed ahead!
DO. NOT. BE. BETA. BUX.
DO. NOT. GIVE. MONEY. TO. SLUTS.
SELF-IMPROVEMENT. AND. GAME. IS. THE. ANSWER.
END. OF. STORY.
WHAT. IF. YOU. ARE. OVER. 50. AND. HAVE. NO. INTEREST. IN. BANGING. OLD. BAGS. OVER. 35? (or even over 30)
Seriously, making money is the GREATEST form of self improvement. And yes, try to stay in decent shape as well, but that pales in comparison.
Well, if you have the money, bang good-looking models and high-end escorts.
But this is something else. Nowadays every average women, HB6 and lower, thinks herself a Sugar Baby, entitled to loads of your money just for being, having a pussy, and giving some average sex. Ridiculous, I says. Most of them worth shit, not a cent. Do not be tools.
A woman charging money should be able to give an experience that is more then just average sex with an average woman.
“A woman charging money should be able to give an experience that is more then just average sex with an average woman.”
Agree wholeheartedly, sir.
The sense of entitlement (to an SD) is on a downtrend actually. But women are normally very entitled so you might not notice it. There are other factors that make it a shadow of its former self. Maybe that will change.
AS,
Disregard females, acquire currency.
Paying for a SR is not beta (assuming you can afford it). You pay so they know their place: don’t expect a commitment. Self improvement with game, are you serious? Why on god’s green earth would I waste time with that when I can devote it to making more money? Besides, if you have to game women, what does that make you? Here’s a clue: not alpha. A real alpha doesn’t pretend to be anything other than his authentic self.
xrayx
“A real alpha doesn’t pretend to be anything other than his authentic self.”
Words of fucking wisdom!
this is true.
And all you younger guys pay attention – gym, business/trade, hobbies, etc…
Work on your self and chick’s will fill the void…
But as slim said over 50 – need to lube with Benjamin’s…
Or? something else? let me know…
@ Captain
Benjamin’s…the bills or the steak house…both are good!
Sadly guys don’t understand that if you can’t make a girl fall in love and/or fuck her well she will accept the money, if that’s your offer. Don’t understimate women’s emotions, guys. Money are the last thing interesting for her. Women are emotional in the 1st place, materialistic in the 2nd. Remember this and you’ll thrive.
“Don’t understimate women’s emotions, guys. Money are the last thing interesting for her…”
This works if you look like Tom Brady, Brad Pitt or George Clooney.
Won’t work work “Regular Joe” unless he is willing to date/bang 4s/5s/6s.
And what you don’t understand is that in trying to manipulate a woman’s emotions, men lower themselved and get sucked into womanly outlook on the world. I need access to a young woman’s body now and then to feel complete, that’s all. I don’t expect these women I pay to love me, don’t even want them to love me. Indeed I’m sort of turned on by the idea that they are repulsed by my wrinkly hands manipulating their tender young flesh, now that I think about it.
Thats the boss attitude, my man! Cheers!
Women are emotional about money and status.
If you have nothing better to offer other than money then she might take the money. If you have a solid personality, aka good social skills, make her laugh, make her cry, make her care about you she will take that, if you are great looking she will take that, and if you have all 3 from the above in various proportions she will consider marying you. That’s all there is.
And after marrying you and enjoying your great looks and solid personality for a while, she will likely get bored and decide to divorce you. Instead of taking just a small amount of your money like a sugar baby, she will take everything.
The money (power) is what women are after. Woman don’t fall in love with men, that’s a beta presumption.
As for no 5 (tuition fees and the subsequent student debt)- girls used to that as an excuse to sleep around for cash even when I was young (early 1990s).
Even if higher education suddenly became free of charge and there was more support for struggling students – it would be exactly the same percentage of girls “sugarbabying” around.
I understand this situation suits guys like AutomaticSlim… but overall it shows you the moral standing of White women. They would always find an excuse to justify their immoral behavior.
They like fucking.
They make stupid desisions- useless degrees- untenable debt. Vote for untenable situations, more government, fraudulent health insurance.
Result: debt slaves to student loans requiring crap slave labor job with health care.
We all suffer.
But, i reckon they should get debt amnesty credits based on bonking betas…
Everybody wins.
And my latest old man foray into online dating is ok. But, they are old, and even with my quick tricks back to my place for wine and sunset…. it still costs.
Hos for hire is the way to go , the more the better, maket forces will reduce the cost and increase the HB…
I need more cash though.
This is where I can respect the MGTOW. Why be a slave to the pussy and feed the beast. Shits just not healthy or sustainable in the long run. Weimar Republic 2.0 here we come…
I’ve used SA.com extensively over the last 4-5 years, and it makes all the difference in the world where you live.
SA.com in the US and Canada is absolutely ridiculous because of the entitled and retarded chicks who are on it. Avoid completely is my advice. In Mexico, it’s slightly better, but not by much, so it’s not a real good option there either.
On the other hand, SA.com in Colombia, Venezuela and even Ecuador is pure gold. I’ve banged many hotties from these countries and treat them as if they’re my sexy tour guides. I do something fun with them (sightseeing), have some dinner and drinks with them (which I pay for) and then bang them silly — making sure I bust 2 nuts. I pay on average between $70-80 USD per date, in addition to the costs of the date, and typically spend 3-5 hours with them. It’s obviously not the cheapest sex in these countries ($20-30 per 30-minute bang is easy to find down here), but it’s a little cheaper and more of a diverse (normal) dating experience than hiring a top-notch escort. I like to mix and match, so I’m sure I’ll be back on SA.com before too long…
SA is not so good in NYC. USA entitled slut attitudes x10.
But it may be better in places like Texas, from what I hear.
A-Slim: remind me of the prices you typically pay in NYC for your experiences, please.
@ AC
I average $1.3K/week.
There’s a nut who occasionally posts on this board who went berserk when I posted that info for you a couple of months ago. He seems like an Elliot Rodger incel ready to go looney toons.
A-Slim: I’m currently at $225 per week for 3 bangs and 5 or 6 nuts, but that also includes some food / drinks / entertainment. I hope you can retire in the near future and escape from NYC to somewhere with more reasonably-priced pussy. You may have to “slum it” in some ways, but you’d be surprised at how civilized parts of South America are.
This makes me want to fight.
Paying 1-3k a month for pussy is very excessive. I would guess to say that you are also addicted to it and in theory, you could stop I doubt you ever would. I’m against everyday fapping but I’m more against parting ways with my money for an hour or two of slut fucking. Money always comes first.
“Be a Slave”
Seems alien to me. And yes, many are unemployable overseas depending upon their skill set. And they are unwilling to do anything else for money.
But if you can, it is quite nice to be overseas.
“A slave to the pussy?”
No matter how hot a woman is I’ve already forgotten her as I try the next one along.
The odd thing about white women is that if you live overseas for a long time, you no longer look at them with the same degree of desire.
The most I ever paid was $60, she was a 20yo university student. A perfect 10.
That was for the night, she left at 9am the next day.
@ JD
Kick ass song. The album:
Paying for just about anything can be excessive to some people. $3K per month is 72% of a $50K after-tax income, but 7% of a $500K after-tax income.
This trend is growing fast in South East Asia as well. I’m living in a shithole called Malaysia which locals have better GDP than Thailand & Philippines. However, this didn’t stop local women to be gold diggers and always looking for a sugar daddies (especially Chinese Malaysians).
After being tired to date a local, I tried one of those sites which I surprisingly started receiving tens of messages from girls looking for a sugar dad. What’s more pathetic is most of them are ugly midgets and they don’t even deserve a dime.
Hotel clubs are full of hookers in Malaysia, I’m also told ‘health Clubs’ are often brothels.
I think a lot of guys on ROK have never held a paying job, which is why they can have this delusionary notion that the person who pays submits to the person who is paid. Once they do get a paying job, they will realize that being paid is the demeaning position, and the employer is in the position of power and authority. Now of course, if the employee has options and the employer doesn’t, then the tables are turned. But men always have the option of going without sex whereas broke bitches do not have the option of skipping this months rent payment, so turned tables shouldn’t be a problem. Employees can also screw over the boss by making false accusations of sexual harassment, etc. Be very careful about who you hire.
100% spot on. The one who pays is customer. And the customer is the boss.
“Now of course, if the employee has options and the employer doesn’t, then the tables are turned. But men always have the option of going without sex whereas broke bitches do not have the option of skipping this months rent payment, so turned tables shouldn’t be a problem.”
Now that is the WHOLE core truth of prostitution and SA.com, BUT ALSO for ALL WOMEN. that is why these lazy entitled women THINK they have power, but really do not in the end, it all hedges on likelihood the guy will pay to avoid trouble or drawn out headaches. If they falsely accuse someone of a crime WILL NOT ultimately create a bonus payday for them, as arrested men do not pay, so it is NOT in their own interests to falsely accuse men. Aside from that they cannot reasonable tell that a man may deal with such a threat from them in way that doesn’t permanently end that threat. Its all a gamble for them, but the more outrageous they act towards ‘customers” the less likely they will get money, in fact the more business like and professional they act the more they insure that they will have longer lasting income streams. But alas, basic economics is lost on them anyways as they don’t THINK, the react to their feelz, and that’s a very bad business practice.
Those sites will go the route of the backpage and craigslist ban really quickly and who wants to deal with that either way.
If you have cash and put a modicum of effort into looking the part, women will sniff you out on their own in real life.
@ Larry
“If you have cash and put a modicum of effort into looking the part, women will sniff you out on their own in real life.”
– Not necessarily. I have been in the financially “well off” range since my late 20s. I wear a shirt and tie to work everyday. Shave, shower, brush teeth every morning. Have been exercising regularly to stay in somewhat decent shape since I was a teen. And I have never once had an attractive female show interest in me. Certainly no one I would ever consider banging. Have been “paying for it” since I was 20. Genetics plays a part in this. A big part.
It all about the attractiveness of the whole package, particularly the resources/money they see and the EASE and effort they can get those resources form the most attractive least offensive guy they can scam them from. omen don’t get it that their ENTIRE GAME is about being successful manipulators to secure what they want. For men the game is about how successful their WORK and economic power is and then translating that into getting what they want. Women seek to pull resources from men, men seek to pull resources from their jobs and hobbies, whereas women are just entertainment value on the side…just an expense, really.
Larry,
They may sniff you out, then take your house when they leave.
“A FEW GUYS CAN EXPAT”
That is a good thing. The blacks and Cholos and the worst of the trailer trash cannot go anywhere.
This article is creepy crap. Return of Kings is a site dedicated to improving men, not providing men with portals to whores for sale.
I thought thos was a site posting stories on topics interesting to men.
The obsession with He-Blews is a bit unnerving. We are discussing some completely unrelated topic and suddenly there the usual posts about the J again.
Every single topic ends up with people accusing one another of being shills for Saul.
No one mentioned the J in this article except for you. Don’t slip Freud.
I see a problem with your premise. You can easily attract women with no money at all simply by being (or acting) high status. The woman doesn’t have to see your bank account or receive an IOU. Her internal evolutionary programming tells her you are an appropriate mate if you display high status behavior. So why should we think all dating is going to become compensated? All dating is already compensated, but not directly with money, nor will it ever be. We are still operating with the nervous systems of our evolutionary ancestors, who did not have money and displayed their status in other ways, such as body language. These signals are what women look for. You may be right that social acceptance for this sort of thing is growing, but the need to check a man’s bank account still is not and never will be programmed into a woman’s nervous system the way these other methods of seeking and evaluating status are.
A few observations:
1. A significant percentage of sugar babies on seekingarrangement are still scammers, fakes, flakes, girls offering “online only”, or overly entitlef girls who think that platonic arrangements where they just get paid to hang with old losers out exist. I don’t have exact stats but I’d estimate 30-40% of the SB’s would not be a source of sex. Every time a big news story about Sugar Babies comes out, the sites are flooded with naive new girls who think they can earn $3-5k a month without having sex with anyone. Those women usually get frustrated quickly and give up (because every man on there wants sex) but their profiles stay up on the site.
2. However, SB’s, when you find them, are cheaper than high end escorts, give a GFE (kissing, etc) and are usually lower volume sex workers (maybe 2-5 clients vs dozens) when compared escorts. While rare, it’s possible to find an SB who only sees one Sugar Daddy (but who’s still riding the cock carousel in her personal life).
3. SB’s tend to be the types of damaged women this site warns against. It becomes mainstream only in the sense that girls who are already sluts have a way to monetize their sexuality without committing to a pimp, agency, or brothel. Rarely are they “nice girls” who do it out of desperation. Also, a fair number of SB’s are pro-sex work 3rd wave feminist SJW’s.
4. Younger men have a hard time Sugar Dating because the girls who will do sexual arrangements generally look for safety and stability vs. attraction. The norm for a successful Sugar Daddy is married, middle aged (36-56). earning six figures. Girls also get scanmed a lot on SA and tend to see younger men as dangerous and potential scammers or time wasters. Further, as most married men don’t want to get caught, SB’s see married men as safer because the girl had leverage to make a guy back off in case things go wrong. Also, older guys care more about youth than beauty and most who’d do this would pay an average looking 20something year old woman for sex (as in the UK diary secretary’s case).
5. Since SA is US-based SESTA-FOSTA puts pressure on them to crack down on any sex for money transactions. They’ll ban paying members (men) and girls alike if they message anyone proposing a sex for money transaction. This was always their terms of service but they’ve gotten stricter since the SESTA-FOSTA bill passed.
Conclusion: it’s not the future of sex work in the US anyway if the US govt continues to crack down on online prostitution. It’s not the future of dating for younger people since it’s mostly much older dudes with younger sluttier girls.
Here’s a reddit community for anyone who has questions about or is interested in reading what SD’s and SB’s experience.
https://www.reddit.com/r/sugarlifestyleforum/
Some topics are outright stupid but reading the above will give you an idea of what seeking arrangement is like.
Being alpha is what attracts women, and making money get’s you closer to becoming an alpha. Displaying alpha traits alone doesn’t make you alpha. If you never get out of the “fake it”, in the “fake it until you make it stage”, you’re still beta. Women are masters of illusion and are not indefinitely fooled by players who can’t and never take off their training wheels.
Seems like the comments have been cutoff after these two (now three) posts. What’s up with this? If you click on the link to the blog, these comments don’t show up and there’s no ‘next’ button. You can only read them if you post a new comment?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-5781529/Meet-27-year-old-Sugar-Baby-whos-Daddy-funds-lavish-lifestyle-6-000-allowance.htmlAnd as if on cue –
Brandon wade, the guy who made Seeking arrangement, whats your price, miss travel and openminded, -he’s a bit of a genius
I remember when the sites first started in 2012 and no one thought he’d be able to skirt round the anti-prostitution laws like he did. Just from a business perspective he did a two finger salute at society at that time claiming he was a misogynist and what not.
Business aside he is contributing to the degeneracy of society and soon enough most women online will expect to be paid to go out on a date and bang.
As the conversion of women to prostitutes finally completes, not by men’s own hand but by their lack of it. By not exercising limitations on women’s fidelity the girls have all gone wild.
The interesting point about this is that women reducing themselves to just their looks and pussy will learn quickly about the course correction that will happen on the sexual marketplace as a result of flooding supply.
Many men will opt to pay for sex over any kind of baby momma commitment especially as marriage laws become more anti-male in the west.
But the thing is money doesn’t warm thots up. Like dave chappelle said in his last special about iceberg slim, a whore gets to about 500 cocks before she breaks down completely.
These women are rapidly destroying themselves and the people that will benefit are men.
Yes if you want a proper relationship its a sad time, but this is salvation for mgtow crowd who were already going a bit too asexual
The coming economic reset will put a stop to this. When the economy shrinks more than 80%, there won’t be nearly as much discretionary income to fund prostitution.
So, all these other dating dad’s were just dad’s but this one, this is forever? I doubt it.