Roosh made a recent post about American Women who cant compete with foreign women and referenced a mail order bride event. As I was reading through the response to the article I noticed what has become a rather typical pattern in the comments. For some reason, the minute anyone mentions the words “foreign brides” or “mail order brides”, there is a mini descent into madness where all common sense and reason gets thrown out of the window.
The responses vary, but the common theme is that these women are nothing more than gold digging, green card chasing whores who will divorce these men the first chance they get. According to the majority of respondents, these women are laying traps to land suckers, betas, and whales. The belief that they may actually be the marriage minded, feminine women, that these countries tend to produce in droves, rarely enters the equation, they are just labelled mercenaries who will be out the door the minute they get the chance. What then almost always follows are anecdotal accounts of people who know scores of Russian, Eastern European or foreign women who are foreign brides that divorced local men after they brought them in. I would love to know where these guys meet all these divorced bitches with their new green cards, but the minute you raise this topic everyone knows like 300 of them it seems.
So I thought what the hell, let me see if I can drum up some stats and get to the bottom of it. I have seen statistics before that show its the exact opposite of what everyone normally says, yet the spazfest that people always throw when this subject comes up made me wonder just how true it all was.
Now I believe the vast majority of women looking for husbands are genuine given what I know of the cultures and the places I have traveled to over the years. I think because these women are more traditional and conservative, a decent guy will probably stand far less chance of divorce too. I also know that these women tend to be far more logical than the degenerate whores Western men deal with on a daily basis too, so the women would be less prone to divorcing unless the guy was abusive, a really poor provider or an absolute loser. They are prone to hypergamy just like all women, but its no where near as severe as it is with the average western slut.
I also believe that the foreign passport hunting, gold digging whore is one of the biggest myths out there. Sure, there are going to be horror stories and these women do exist, I just doubt that the horror stories are more frequent than the average divorce hell 50% of most Western men will go through. And I think that the majority of guys who end up going through hell with a foreign woman tend to meet these women in their home countries, instead of meeting those marriage minded foreign women in the woman’s home country.
Lastly, I always believed western women in general are threatened by this development, resorting to mindless accusations of exploitation in an effort to shame this behavior before it gains any mainstream traction.
The first study I wanted to share was one that used to be on Wikipedia. Used to be. Someone has decided to remove it, and I think it was removed because for some reason, the original USCIS study was removed. I know it was there because I have shared it in the past, and any search on the web for the extract below turns up countless websites that cite the study as a legitimate government source. I say this as I place the tinfoil hat on my head, but clearly its the sort of information that does not suit current policy makers and legislators that are pushing for restrictions on foreign brides.
Here it is:
The United States Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) reports that “…marriages arranged through [mail order bride] services would appear to have a lower divorce rate than the nation as a whole, fully 80 percent of these marriages having lasted over the years for which reports are available.” The USCIS also reports that “… mail-order bride and e-mail correspondence services result in 4,000 to 6,000 marriages between U.S. men and foreign brides each year.”
80% of the marriages have been successful.
This is not some guy bringing back his foreign wife after meeting her there on a trip or holiday. Its not guys who were expats somewhere and returned home with a wife after living there. These are outright MAIL ORDER BRIDES. These are guys going onto the internet or using services to find women to marry from day one. Zero romance and courtship, straight to business, I’ll-get-to-know-you-once-we-are-married type marriages.
Eighty percent, and these are mail order brides, these are not women they met and gradually built a relationship with before they took the plunge. They are going into this with the intention of marrying them from the first meeting most of the time.
Next up is the Centre for Immigration Studies who again state a 20% divorce rate with mail order bride marriages. A separate organisation comes to the same conclusions the Immigration Department did, focusing on statistics gathered from foreign countries and agencies as they try to build a picture. Again, we see the same statistic: 80% of the marriages have been successful. Now granted these are statistics based on the USA in particular, and I was curious to see what the situation was in other Western countries with high divorce rates.
The next study was conducted in Switzerland. The white paper is available but its long, so I just share the web extract. Again, we see the same outcome, where divorce rates are far lower when the foreign women are not “Western”. Ironically, they also track the divorce rate between Swiss women and foreign men, which clocks in at 80% failure rates.
The statistical office of Switzerland has published some more detailed statistics: Note that to draw any conclusions, the divorce rate of mail-order marriages must be compared to the divorce rate of domestic marriages. In 1999, the divorce rate for domestic marriages (Swiss married to Swiss) in Switzerland were at a record high of 50%. In the same year (1999), marriages with foreigners are comparatively better: Marriages between Swiss and German or Italian women have a comparatively better divorce rate: 40%. Marriages between Brazilian or Thai women and Swiss turned out to be more durable than expected, the divorce rate reached the low rate of 30%. Fantastically low divorce rates were reached at marriages with women from Colombia (20%). Marriages with women from the former USSR reached a rate of 15%; however, it must be noted that marriages between Swiss and Russians boom at the moment, and that the divorce rate is not that much meaningful, because the divorce rate rises with a time-lag. However, there are also marriages between Swiss and foreigners where the divorce rate is worse than the domestic rate: Marriages between Swiss and women from the Dominican Republic tend to work very badly, the divorce rate reached catastrophic sixty percent. Similarly, but not quite as bad, the divorce rate in marriages between Swiss and Philippine women reached 45%
So 85% success rate with women from the former USSR for the Swiss. The Swiss divorce rate is approaching 50%, yet these marriages are clocking in at 85% success rates.
Where is the passport hunting, divorcing mercenary everyone is talking about? Here we have arguably the two most desirable passports in the world on offer, and the success rate for these marriages is clocking in at rates that rival the divorce rates of the 50’s. Which shows that not only is there a complete misconception about the nature of these marriages, but there is a misconception about foreign women who marry western men under these sorts of arrangement. Many are simply conservative, traditional, marriage minded women looking for a husband and a better life.
This is supported by yet another major study called Negotiated Nuptials: A Transnational Analysis of the International Marriage Broker Industry and the Russian ‘Mail-Order Bride’. It goes into great detail proving how mail order brides don’t suffer abuse like the feminists are saying they do. At the same time, the research concludes that the vast majority of women looking for foreign husbands are genuine in their search. This study even won some feminist award, which shows the levels of hypocrisy. So not only does it prove that the feminists are exaggerating the rates of abuse, it also goes on to show how many of these arrangements are not only genuine but successful too.
Which point towards an agenda driving this misconception, and its an agenda that has even forced through legislation in the USA called IMBRA. Using nothing more than a few horror stories of abuse (which in itself could be lower than the average too for all we know), legislators have been lobbied into submission and inevitably complicate the entire process in an effort to slow things down. Men are put through substantial background checks and treated like absolute criminals simply because they have decided to seek foreign wives through non-traditional methods. Despite the fact that all parties involved are consenting adults, this legislation has been pushed through without any major study or even widely available statistics to justify the law. What statistics we do have shows the complete opposite of the perception many have.
Another thing that that turned up through my search were some ridiculous representations by feminists and the media too. The more I dug into it the more blatant it seemed. Clearly this is seen as a major threat to the harpies, because the lengths they are going to are absurd. The funniest example that I came across was a story about an English guy who started a marriage agency. He said in his interview that men are looking for feminine, traditional wives who are unspoiled by feminism, and he introduces them to each other.
This is the response from the female journalist about the whole thing, who equates it to human trafficking and slavery because these women tend to be housewives:
However, couples can get around this obstacle by claiming they met through other avenues. There also tends to be little enforcement of IMBRA when the agencies are based outside the U.S. (Hand-In-Hand, for example, is registered in St. Kitts.) “The mail-order bride industry is a softer version of human trafficking,” says Sonia Ossorio, executive director of the New York City chapter of the National Organization for Women. Ossorio also acknowledges that some relationships work out—but perhaps not in a way that would please Betty Friedan. “A lot of people who are attracted to it are just looking for a woman who’s docile and obedient,” she says.
For some companies, such submissiveness is a selling point. Hand-In-Hand’s website trumpets the fact that its females are “unspoiled by feminism.” Company founder Weiner argues this form of chauvinism—like the mail-order bride business itself—is economically motivated. “You take a beautiful woman from the Czech Republic and you bring her into your home, she does all your cooking and cleaning and ironing,” he says. “At the end of the day, the service is free.” Hand-In-Hand estimates the potential savings of a homemaking wife at $150 per week.
Housewives are now slaves. A man who marries a traditional woman who stays at home to manage the household is now regarded seen as a slaver. These are the kind of people that not only have a public platform to spread their filth, they see press in major publications like Business Week. To make matters worse, the same article is then republished, and when it is the headlines are a complete misrepresentation of the interview and business as a whole
Here is the first headline:
The Mail-Order-Bride Trade Is Flourishing
Here is the second headline on the same article in a different publication
Former I-Banker’s Mail Order Bride Business Sells Women Who Are “Unspoiled By Feminism”
Here is the third headline
Former Investment Banker’s Human-Trafficking Business Is Booming
Laughable. Frikken laughable.
There is very little research that has been done on marriage between foreigners and nationals and their success rates for some reason. Seems like no one wants to touch it, or what is more likely, they cant get it through peer review. I think they would make for very interesting reading and I would not be surprised if we see stats very similar to what happened in Switzerland or what was uncovered by the USCIS. Not only were the marriages between foreign women and local men more successful, marriages between local women and foreign men were a disaster. Not the sort of thing feminized universities and organizations want to see published, thats for sure.
It has been effective too, because not only have the media done a fantastic job of convincing most people that these women are probably only after a green card, the men who bring them over tend to be abusive too. Its what drove legislation called IMBRA, which has made it incredibly difficult for American men to marry mail order brides now.
Now, what does that say about the situation as a whole?
Can you imagine what sort of man resorts to a mail order bride? While I dont think its the case for all of them, I think in 95% of cases you are dealing with highly introverted guys who have always struggled with women. They are probably middle income to upper middle income, middle aged to elderly and either cant land a date or have been raped in divorce court already and are throwing the towel in. I also think that a lot of them will punch way above their weight, trying to marry women far too young or incredibly good looking women while they have very little going for them looks wise. I think that many dont understand the cultures of these women either, which makes it even harder on the marriage too. They are probably in the majority though decent guys just looking for companions.
So here we have average looking guys with moderate incomes and no ability with women who are still able not only marry hotter women than they would get at home, they are younger, more feminine and traditional too. They are landing far better women than they could if they stuck it out at home.
The biggest farce of all? 80% of these arrangements are actually working according to statistics, while the rest of their countrymen will see 50% of their marriages end in divorce and family court rape.
Now I know there are guys who marry foreign women that end up taking them to the cleaners. The thing is, these guys are being taken to the cleaners far less often than they would be if they married local women. And if they did take a chance on a local chick, she would be no where near the same quality a foreign wife would be. Not in looks or what she was prepared to bring to the table as a traditional wife.
I am also willing to bet that many of these “foreign women” who everyone tells horror stories about just so happen to be women who immigrated here when young or were sent to study in Western universities and colleges, and after a few years in our indoctrination camps they come out the other end far more fucked up than when they went in. They are not a complete representation of foreign women because their exposure to our culture is far deeper than someone who moved and lived there for a long period of time.
Maybe its time for men as a whole to sit back and think these things through a little more before jumping to the conclusions they do.
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i think we need to promote this
Marriage 3.0!
RIGHT ON!
American women just don’t want to get it it, because the research refute their ridiculous feminazi ideas.
Funny, there doesn’t seem to be a study on how foreign men are coming to America to find mail order brides.
This country has managed to export many things to the rest of the world from western style to democracy and our social problems — but not our women. It’s really any wonder why?
Polite, cultured,educated men do come to America and find brides – it’s called a University.
A lot of them are happy to find a woman who isn’t a dependent manipulative baby machine like all the gals back home.
Yep, and with only a 50% chance of losing their house and kids to those “cultured” American women, they must lining up in droves!
LOL.
Nope. They get their 2nd rate, overpriced education subsidized by their gubermenets and our own education system, then take that knowledge back to their home countries.
Having actually worked (work: n. something men do while women troll Facebook, tweet, watch tv, play with their iPhones and grow fat) with a good number of foreigners who’ve come here for University, I can tell you they aren’t taking home brides.
And what are you doing right now?
hypocrisy thy name is MRA
Really?…lets see..it cost tens of thousands of dollars for an american to travel overseas to meet a woman, go out of dates with her in her country, buy an engagement ring, hire an immigration attorney to process her visa, purchase her airline ticket, plan her wedding, and marry her.. only educated successful men can even afford such an endevor. I graduated from a university where 25% of the student population where international student..none of the men married an american woman they only fucked them.
XD hahah true
No, they come to American University, spend four years in carnal bliss banging all the no-good degenerate American whores for free. Then after they have collected all the goods they came to leech out of us, they return home with a subsidized degree and drained balls, to find a good wife.
So the women being banged are degenerate whores…but the guy going around and sleeping with a bunch of “sluts” is what…prince charming? Or isn’t he maybe just a disgusting pathetic slut as well. If you sleep around indiscriminately, you’re a pathetic whore. Regardless of your gender. And I must say, as a hot skinny chick, it is so satisfying and fun to shoot guys down and tell them it’s because they’re disgusting probably disease filled skanks.
“And I must say, as a hot skinny chick, it is so satisfying and fun to
shoot guys down and tell them it’s because they’re disgusting probably
disease filled skanks.”
A fine example of why western women and their edicts are a blight on society.
What is really sad, is there are a lot of great women in the USA. But they are not allowed to be truly feminine and take pride in being a true woman, because women like you are doing such a great job of degrading them and selling them stories of how great bukaki is. These American women go to a university and are taught that having a baby is like having a parasite, and that if they work hard enough they can get a teaching job where they can screw their 13 year old boys and live out the twilight fantasy. Yet, when these women turn 35 years old, they realize the 15 years of bukaki has provided them with nothing more than an empty feeling of worthlessness.
Harry – an education makes you less likely to divorce
Prep man – they don’t take the brides home, they stay!!!
Not all of them of course….but over the years I’ve known 20 or so foreign grooms
And geez you guys have a hard time accepting that turnabout is fair play…
Having gone to a large university with a considerable percentage of foreign students it’s obvious you’re full of it…Chinese, Indian, Middle Eastern, African, etc students very rarely get into relationships with American women, much less marry them.
Also, look into how much prior sexual partners, shared housework and other charming offerings of America’s “modern marriage” contribute to divorce. It’s not pretty, I’ll tell you that.
As Polish I must admit that people from East Europe (ex communist states) should not be so proud, because right there, even before West discover this, modern marriage was adopted. Look at abortion rates, divorces rate, drunkenness, molestation, beating and so on. I do not wonder why even Siberia women tend to marry Chinese men (while per capita China is still porer country than Poland, Russia) and claim it as live success. Same with attraction toward West European man.
IIO PEKE
You’re the one who doesn’t get it…the US is not allowing in massive numbers of foreign students out of some PC attempt at ‘diversity’ – it’s because we don’t graduate enough students in STEM fields and need to poach on the best students from other countries.
A lot of those guys dont leave. And they don’t always import a wifey from home either.
Many of them are staying, many of them aren’t, but very few of them are dating American women.
+1 По реке
Those STEM undergrad and grad students who are on student visas from China, India, central Africa, Egypt, etc., are hardly pulling hot college tail.
They try. But when they approach at college bars, they have horrible game and go down in flames. Language/accent barriers, lack of muscular fitness, fashion sense that doesn’t suit the norm, and tendency to travel in wolfpacks of 6 other dudes from the same motherland don’t help the situation.
If they have anything happening with girls, those guys usually wind up doing a little dating with a girl students at the same school who comes from the same country. But most of the time, those dudes go through horrible dry spells.
The fact that you see women as a commodity to be traded and exported probably explains why you can’t get one here.
You are the one that is calling them a commodity to be traded. No one on here is seriously saying anything close to this. But hey, rationalize it however you need to fit your ego.
Great article. The comments are going to be goooooood. Heh.
By the way, your bio cracked me up. I may steal a portion of it.
Stealing his bio for my tombstone.
Jesus, good article.
It’s so obvious that statistics and science are being manipulated for political reasons. Scientist, being the ultimate beta males, are so EASILY forced into doing quack experiments that produce results like “Study debunks notion that men and women are psychologically distinct” http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/02/04/study-debunks-notion-that-men-and-women-are-psychologically-distinct/
But yet,are kept away, by shaming and removing all funding and legitimacy, from topics like foreign brides, single motherhood, the origins or gayness, anti-global warming etc.
Interesting but there’s an angle that I have witnessed personally that is not addressed here. My wife used to work with several mail order Russian and Ukrainian brides. While I never heard the word “divorce” used, I only heard one of them ever say anything positive about her husband. The rest were disdainful of their husbands, most seemed to be involved in affairs, and two of them spoke openly about thinking about killing their husbands or having them whacked. I realize this is just a personal experience and observation of a limited number of mail order brides, but I was taken aback by the venom I saw in this particular group of women, most of whom seemed to be married to nice, unassuming, socially retarded computer programmers.
What a load of absolute nonsense. This is exactly the kind of rubbish that inspired my post in the first place. Its nothing more than yet another anecdotal account of someone, who knew someone, who just so happens to know or have worked/lived/been friends with “several” mail order brides.
Think about this logically for a second and try to understand my skepticism.
Its not like mail order brides are common as it is, let alone mail order brides from Russia or the Ukraine. The vast majority actually come from South America and Asia, not Eastern Europe and Russia. Amazingly though, the foreign brides people almost always speak of happen to be Russian – just like in the movies. Funny that.
They also must just so happen to be reading the same advertisements for the same jobs at the same companies/stores in the same towns and cities and all managed to get a job at the same place. What a fantastic coincidence that is. Maybe there is some sort of secret underground community of mail order brides where they help each other land jobs and plan murderous assassinations of their husbands together too?
I have no idea why women are so offended by men going abroad for women. If these guys are such losers, what are you worried about girls? Why are you so threatened by this? Why the need to make up stories like this?
And if you are a guy, what the hell do you care if these guys have decided to take another path and what do you have to gain by lying through your teeth?
Amazingly, this report from this anonymous “concerned citizen” is not a horror story about divorce and ass rape in family court. No no, this report does not question that the marriages last, this one acknowledges that they last but that they are just very unhappy instead.
Sure thing.
Not offended, and not afraid. And, admittedly, not packing any empirical evidence – just relating my own personal experience with six or seven Ukrainian and Russian mail-order brides. I am a man, by the way; I thought my reference to my wife would have been a tip-off but in today’s society who can tell. And I don’t give a shit what other men do, but I’m not “lying through my teeth.” I witnessed what I witnessed. If you don’t like anonymous posters on your comments boards, you’re obviously in a position to fix that.
Now, as far as what I saw, and as I stated, one of these couples seemed really happy. The rest, not so much. These girls had grown up in cultures where masculinity was highly valued, and had been sold a load of shit about being married off to some wealthy American. They found that the guys they were married off to actually were not very wealthy by American standards and that these guys lacked the masculinity they wanted in a man. So, they were unhappy, some fucked around, and a couple openly talked about having their husbands offed. Is this the norm? Hell if I know. But the women that I knew clearly weren’t what I would view as devoted, happy wives – and what’s the point of marriage (even if divorce is completely off the table) if you’re not happy and your wife is screwing other guys behind your back? A mail-order bride may be a FANTASTIC option for many American men seeking to avoid divorce, but mail-order brides are still women and guys without game are still guys without game.
Well said Anonymous, specially the last part “A mail-order bride may be a FANTASTIC option for many American men seeking to avoid divorce, but mail-order brides are still women and guys without game are still guys without game.”
Americans are funny bunch of people (sometimes) but regardless of their social standing most are just clueless. Guess too many decades sheltered from reality.
Harry, your article sounds like it came off a marriage agency website. Do you work for a marriage agency. I have been in long relationships with women from Ukraine and Southeast Asia. I would never marry one from either place after what I know now. Anonymous is pretty close to what I’ve seen. First FSU countries have an 80% divorcee rate. Not to mention FSU, Philippines, and Thailand have believe lying is a correct way to do business. Good luck if you want to marry them. I no longer have a desire to.
http://partytravelsexlove.com/2012/10/02/beautiful-girls-just-waiting-for-you-get-real/
Anon – I work in IT and that’s pretty much what I have witnessed. They don’t divorce, but WOW the bitchery. Most of the guys are nice if awkward introverts, American society has no place for the shy, so logically enough they look elsewhere.
Well yeah if you are a introverted beta IT professional of course your mail order bride is not going to be as happy if she had an Alpha husband. On the flip side though that beta dork is probably at least getting semi-regular sex and has something to bang when going on vacation. Beats the online porn and hookers he would be using if he did not have the mail order bride.
And American women don’t bitch?
Well of course they bitch… that’s what women DO.
Most mail order brides have reduced expectations. They are hoping for economic hyper gamy. They understand that they are not likely to get an alpha male. There is a free market exchange going on. A willing exchange.
I don’t know how a woman can do it, but they do. I know exactly why a dorky incompetent computer nerd does it. It makes sense. I am man, and while I like the idea of a mail order bride because I detest feminism and like the check on it’s power, the actual men that do it give me the creeps. I flew to Russia and saw a fat gamer type dude on the plane with me. I didn’t speak to him, but I could just image that what he was traveling for. Don’t construe that to mean I feel sorry for the women. I don’t. They are entering into a bargain of their free will. In a laissez faire market both parties benefit. I am sure that the couples learn to love each other. The man because he is hitting a hot piece of ass that he otherwise wouldn’t have ever hit. The woman because she is being provided for better than she ever would have been in her home country.
Don’t expect to marry anything young and pretty via the mail order bride services.
And how would you know this? Please tell us your mail order bride experience.
its a global market we are living in….and the fat western bitch has priced herself out of the market….ps. the foreign quality is also better
This is pretty accurate. The few mail order bride couples that I’ve met are married with an extremely loyal situation. Your bio is also awesome, I’d like to see someone try and troll that.
Does anyone know the percentage of virgins in the foreign brides industry?
Hard statistics there: 0%.
Depends on whether you include Muslims or perhaps other religious groups. They often specifically import “certified” virgins because they don’t trust their sisters raised and indoctrinated in the West.
And of course the primary reason Western women get married is for money, under an arrangement where she can literally put the man in a cage if he doesn’t earn. That’s what slavery actually looks like
I grew up in a small village in western Germany where everyone knew everyones business. 3 different men went to former Yugoslavia, now Croatia and brought back 3 women whom they married within the next months. That was nearly 40 years ago. All three were known for their beauty and feminity. One couple went through a bitter divorce after 20 years of marriage. The other two are still happily married.
The odds of a good and happy marriage with women from non-western contries are far better.
In some forums you get the impression that you just have to get a non-western bride and everything will turn out fine. Most have unrealistic ideas, get burned and then write the bitter comments you mentioned.
I’m quite happily married to a non-norteamericana. Funny thing is, she’s happily married to me. And I can tell you first-hand all of the ‘subtle’ fem-shaming that I get from the women at the office whenever they ask me about my marriage is as pathetic as it is predictable. And I work in a place that is pro-diversity, acceptance, and all that other crap.
This tells me the effect of MGTOW is huge. I wouldn’t trust them to herd cats, but the fact is that many of these women are married to poor sods, simply because that’s all that was available for them at the market. The impact of a guy outside of this feminazi OPEC-like cartel is big, and I see this simply by the reaction of teh wiminz around me. The fact that I have not manned up and married one of the local sluts bites deep.
I’d also like to note the corollary to what has been said above: 80% of marriages of men to foreign brides succeed, while 80% of female marriages to foreign husbands fail. What does that say about the likely reasons behind the 50% divorce rate nationally?
“This feminazi OPEC-like cartel is big, and… the fact that I have not manned up and married one of the local sluts bites deep”
In 2005 I saw a documentary on French TV the followed one dude (nice-enough fellow) as he went through the process of meeting and marrying his Belorussian bride. The short and un-controversial episode was followed by a discussion featuring a 3-woman panel…
They ripped him to shreds… It was eye-opening for me.
A family friend married a woman from the Philippines. While there have been a few cultural differences to resolve–she came from a tiny village with no running water, and is still grappling with the nuances of American life– they seem pretty happy. (Although he does wish she’d serve rice a little less often.)
Fantastic Article.
Marriage rates of Western Men and foreign wives are amazingly high,
while western women and foreign men are abysmal, need there be any other statistic ???
When will the Western cultural hell correct itself, it’s statistics like this that make me think western culture must be utterly destroyed because despite evidence in every which direction to the absurdity and disgusting nature of western women, the majority, INCLUDING western men, legal code and cultural norms still seem to accept and enjoy wallowing in the meaningless filth they have engineered for themselves…
Western “culture” will be destroyed. What’s sad is that unless Western men wake the f up, with it will go also the positive sides. Afghanistan is great in many ways, but there are some Western traits and traditions that possibly could improve the place a bit. But unless the West put up a bit of a fight, and demonstrate something worthy of preservation, the baby will be thrown out with the bathwater.
Thanks for the supporting data Harry. I like your honest “about the author” byline also.
No western woman can cook like my wife, as featured in a “A Man Wants a Wife, Not a Co-Worker”. I eat like that twice a day, every day. For breakfast I will make toast out of the bread I make in my bread machine, though occaisonally she makes some viet breakfast delicacy also. I could not keep her from cooking if I tried. She spends hours researching and trying new recipes, especially if she notices I like something. A few days ago she made a half-dozen batches of peanut brittle until she got it exactly perfect. I had to scold her not to throw out the slightly imperfect batches.
She is not here for a “green card” or passport. She is here for me. She loves her country and does not like this hostile land. I advised men considering foreign brides to take this into account and try to find some supporting culture here for her. Many cities such as mine have large vietnamese populations and this is a big help to keep her from feeling isolated.
Often I have had viet men and women smile and ask “How do you like it?” (having a viet wife?). They know and are proud of the way a vietnamese woman takes care of her husband. And it is a very simple reason : the margin of survival there is very thin and always has been. A woman’s family, not the government, is the core of her life support. She lavishes care on her husband because it is HER man, and she will do everything to ensure his well-being.
When she gets out of line, I can admonish her to “obey your husband” or “I am going to have a talk with your mother” or “you are not being a good wife”. And it works! She likes to hear this. Of course I follow it up with a concession to be a better or more understanding husband, but the thing is she wants the bedrock of husband-wife marital responsibilities and not some nonsense about her being “empowered” or “equal”.
I repeat, no western female can cook like my wife. Any man-haters who arrive to disparage our foreign brides should be pointed to that essay and asked to provide evidence of their similar cooking talents.
P.S. I am working at a technical “start-up”. The last two guys I worked for in this capacity had foreign brides.
The two happily married couples i wrote about: the women were sisters and lived only a short car drive away from each other.
Otherwise they would have felt very isolated and that would have led to a equally miserable marriage.
I really think the cultural support is key. These women still very much regard their home country as home, and they will continue to have strong ties to whatever country they are from because of family and culture. Thus, if you are living in Nowheresville, USA, where “culture” is a shitty Chinese restaurant, it will make her lonely and unhappy.
I agree completely.
Uncle Elmer, have you faced any hostility from Viet men in the USA or Vietnam? In Thailand, “farang” are frowned upon.
No I have not. When you are in their culture, act like a gentleman.
Men are usually protective of THEIR women. Don’t they resent you for “stealing” one of their women?
Thai men? Nope. They´re a very nice bunch.
I have to give a +1 to what Uncle Elmer said…Thais often have a somewhat negative view of “farangs” because a lot of tourists conduct themselves like they’re at a college party 24/7…but if you act in a dignified manner Thais will respect you.
That is such a great thing to hear and would love to know if that is still going on.
It’s interesting how personal women take it when you say you aren’t interested in them. You can say you don’t want to marry at all or you don’t want to marry an American women, and sure enough they’ll start hurling insults, all the while claiming no woman would ever want to get married to you (so why should they give a cunt’s hair?). They are completely incapable of dealing with any kind of rejection, it’s always the butthurt “YOU DON’T GET TO REJECT ME! I REJECTED YOU FIRST!” foaming at the mouth reaction.
I noticed the same when breaking up with a woman, many go ballistic.
good article. in the US if things while your foreign bride dont work out you can be on the hook for social services the state provides to her in the first few years following your breakup. these expenses depending on your wealth can be significant and total up to 100k. while i am a big fan of foreign women i would advice men in western countries to just date immigrant women already living in your country. in the case of the US your best bet are big cities and most of the southwest which is full of illegal mexican women who would love to date american men.
Hey Bacon –
do you have any sources/cites that the state will go after the husband for social services provided to the ex?
Hypergamy exists at all levels. Women don’t like it when it works AGAINST them, or rather when men who understand it exploit it to their benefit.
A core of womanhood is to be desired by men; when this fails, she fails. And she does not like it.
Thats the smartest shit anyone has said in this thread.
This right here.
Brilliantly said
This is the video that pulled me into the world of Khmer Music Video, from which I have never recovered :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S131fhnbsXA
To get a glimpse of this astonishing culture, search “Khmer romvong playlist” or Sinn Sisamouth playlist” on youtube.
Harry, the point was not that the marriages break down but that the women cheat on their men while taking their money.
This is
Harry, the point was not that the marriages break down but that the women cheat on their men while taking their money.
This is particularly the case with big age gaps, I’ve even seen this with Muslim women that go out and get fucked when they get brought over here than go home and act like nuns.
And this is different from domestic women? Maybe they are too fat old and bitchy to find anyone to find anyone to fuck them by the time they settle for the beta bucks, but that is necessity not virtue.
“Ossorio also acknowledges that some relationships work out—but perhaps not in a way that would please Betty Friedan. “A lot of people who are attracted to it are just looking for a woman who’s docile and obedient,” she says.”
What is the opposite of docile and obedient? Rowdy and rebellious. Who seeks a rebellious wife?!
That is the equivalent of a woman saying “I am looking for a man who is masculine and a good provider.” and then being mercilessly ridiculed and shamed for it.
Bitches Be Crazy.
I just have seen the picture of the author of this article and it’s all clear now.
Not even worth commenting.Lol
Link?
Troll
I’ve had good experience on this subject from my upbringing and travel.
Women are on the whole the same everywhere, like it or not. An average third world traditional woman is no more moral or ethical than any typical modern western woman. They both act in their own perceived best interest.
The only difference lies in the environment. In a traditional culture, they must act traditional to have the best outcome. It would be very foolish for a woman in those cultures to openly date multiple guys since those cultures value low/no partner count.
In the west partner count is irrelevent. Even a moderate looking woman can party in her 20s and easily land a Beta in her 30s. Divorce/cheating is encouraged and is no big deal.
The point is, people act in a way that gets them the best outcome depending on the environment. You change the environment, their acts change.
By all means marry abroad. Just don’t expect her to stay the same in western environment.
H-Y-P-E-R-G-A-M-Y
That’s why you continue running game and don’t get lazy after you get married
FTW
NOPe definitely not true.
This is simply not true. I have lived in Europe, and in the USA. As well, I have lived in the Midwest, east coast, and the west coast. I have family in both Europe and all over the USA.
People are similar in some ways across the globe. This is not a surprise, since we are all humans. But the differences in so many ways are there, and should be considered.
Women raised in America are brought up thinking happiness is sex in the city, desperate housewives and Twilight(a story where one girl is surrounded by shirtless teenage boys all posturing for her attention). Women in America find shows like Honey Boo Boo as entertaining(it is a flagship show for its carrier network). All of these trashy shows on TV are because of western female ideals. Some might find this a bit trivial, but the programming on TV in America is a very good pulse of our culture and ideals. And women in our country love stuff like Big Brother, where the objective and way to win is being the best liar and manipulator. Yes, we could discuss some shady stuff guys are watching. But it is not even close to the scale and effect that is the macro of this subject. As a whole, the majority of trash on TV is for women, and watched by women. At one point, the number one show in this country was about married women burying their husbands in the backyard and cashing in, and dating the younger pool boy and his friends. And people are surprised western men are considering finding love and marriage elsewhere?
Not only is this culturally accepted, but it is celebrated. The fake feminist movement of anti man in this country is so bad, that there are man spreading campaigns to get men to cross their legs so to not offend others by spreading their legs for comfort while sitting down. Ya. Let that sink in. While the progressives are throwing around hot words like “it is what is good for the HERD” and dressing more and more asexual and more and more becoming disconnected from nature and human individuality, the rest of the world is evolving as humans. And we do not want to practice hive mentality, and be a part of a herd.
I use TV programming as just one bit of evidence. This is a subject
that could be dug into deep, with a mountain of evidence be presented.
But that is not necessary. The truth is pretty easy to see on this
one.
So, just like men in the west find it disgusting that men from Asia and eastern Europe objectify and make women servile, women in these countries are disgusted by how women in the USA degrade and devalue fathers, brothers, and sons in America. It really makes so much sense, that many people of political or ego agendas find it abrasive to their psyche.
It is about balance, and traditional values. Western men treat women better than any other group of men on the planet, by far. Women from more traditional value countries are perfect for these western men. It is literally a win win for both parties. And it is obvious to see how this has a better success rate statistically.
Every society has its bottom feeders and degenerates. And you will always get pseudo intellectuals bringing up exceptions to the rule to argue it is a norm, so don’t be mislead. The truth does not fit into everyone’s perceived reality. That is their problem. The truth is only helpful if you know how to deal with your own ego. But I digress……..
If the above statement was true, then the stats from this article would back it up. But they don’t. The facts prove that their is a difference, and a better statistical outcome for taking into consideration the values, traditions, and up bringing of individuals. And most people outside the USA that come from family value rich places are not going to just assimilate to western ideals due to moving here. For most, it is a affirmation that their values are righteous and advantageous, not out dated or degrading.
wise post.
An actual researched, well-written (and proofread!), and insightful article on here. Finally.
-Why do you want to marry that much?So desperate for a pussy that you voluntarily agree to get into financial and emotional slavery?
-Any relationship with a woman is a Betaisation on its own.Bringing a woman from 4000 miles away,arranging her life etc is tenfold Betaisation. I don’t think any woman would ever stay attracted to such Omega.
-The statistics don’t cover period long enough for any reasonable conclusion.
This site is just crazy shit really.I have never seen so many clueless AFCs in one place
I am so ashamed that people I don’t know or have never met or aren’t paying my rent pretend to think I am a “beta” for having a foreign wife. But that is in the sub-title of this essay; attempts by fems to discourage men from exploring alternatives to western females.I will keep that in mind next time I am pounding her tight ass or enjoying her cuisine.
Lol..in ur dreams hahaja.Women don’t let their husbands to let them fuck in the ass (unless you are blackmailing her somehow).The ass is for hunky alpha out there (a “girls night out” for a husband).
Btw about cuisine.I actually have always resisted to let women cook for me.It’s number one trap and a short cut to domestication.No f*ng way I need another mummy in my life,I can take care of my needs.A woman is for fucking.
But its apparently too much of a hard concept for some guys over here.
I actually hitmy girlfriend’s (of seven years, american) butt all the time. She loves it and actually requests and encourages me to do so. Where are you getting your information(by the way learn proper grammer)? Sounds like somebody has had bad luck in the woman department. The thing is, I’m in my 20’s and am with a woman who is 40. She has older kids who she does not talk to much, which is purely their decision, and works a full time job. She is respectful, loving, understanding and just plain beautiful. We spend each and every night snuggling and watching movies. I believe, despite their birthplace, it is solely a woman’s character and upbringing. Thing is, I am an old soul at heart, so I get along with her so well despite our 10+ age difference. I would not trade her for the world. Everyone finding love abroad, kudos to you, but I do not believe every American man should do so. Their is good in every person, just some are corrupted by our mindless, self-cenetered, loathful society. I do not take part in social media and other fads and never have, and thankfully neither has she. I believe this is a huge factor in our success. Like I said, our current society of having our noses in phones and computers destroys people, and cause them to follow misguided and pointless causes such as the disgraceful feminism (which is funny because ultimately a woman can do whatever they want and get away with it. Such as accusing a man of hitting her without any signs of abuse, abusING their partner without consequence and being appointed close to everything in divorces in most cases. Sad. Sad. They have rights comparable to ours yet we are losing ours in the process. Not saying that woman don’t deserve them, just that they now get away with too much.).
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while i am a big fan of foreign women i would advice men in western countries to just date immigrant women already living in your country.
Even better idea: Date foreign women in foreign countries. Also solves the problem of women not being happy when removed from their native cultures.
seconded. if you don’t like western societies and all these other cultures are so much better, feel free to leave so we don’t have to listen to your incessant bitching.
Ain’t no one forcing you to visit the site, toots.
Shut up, Maya.
Heh, that’d be a dream deary. Hopefully enough of us do leave to the point that public revenue starts to become affected so the government is forced to withdraw its social programs made for loose women like you 🙂
This is the way. With my gf three years now, and still going good.
Very interesting and nuanced article. Not surprising that the law was passed to curb mail order brides; the leftists only have one tool in their bag: force. If they don’t like something, they will use it to ATTEMPT to reduce the behavior. Never works, but damn if they don’t keep trying.
What’s funny is the “mail-order bride” meme is effectively passe’ as any man with an internet connection can meet foreign women easily. The “IMBRA” requirements for visa processing only apply to people who met through marriage broker agencies.
IMBRA is a cash cow for professional feminists who have zero interest in the welfare of the prospective husbands and brides, and every intention for getting wealthy through their busybody intrusion into the private lives of ordinary citizens.
To avoid this nonsense simply meet your candidate brides online then travel to their country and meet them in person. You don’t need an agency to do this.
Me, I met my wife at a coffeshop in Saigon. She had been studying English but had never spoken to a western person before…
I will admit it was probably one of my comments that lead to this post. But I came to my conclusions from reading posts on sites about foreign marriages. I don’t have any raw data. And I admit my views are self arrived and due to some defensive attitudes about marriage.
I thank you for your clarification data. Data is the irrefutable truth.
Always good to see a Mark Minter post even if it’s a driveby.
Lots of the comments here just prove the thesis of the post: people mouthing off on the catastrophes of foreign brides with ZERO personal experience. “I heard that” or “I have a friend of a friend that” or “I know a guy.”
Why don’t you get married to a foreign bride yourself ?
He probably will when he turns 50 and starts to think about settling down.
YUP where only asians specifically filipinas and thias would embrace. (poor men)
I agree with you Roosh. And I loved your article on why Toronto suck ass. LOL I grew up in Toronto and live a small town called Milton. You’d hate yourself for moving to Milton, trust me.
I agree with you Roosh. And I loved your article on why Toronto suck ass. LOL I grew up in Toronto and live a small town called Milton. You’d hate yourself for moving to Milton, trust me.
Of course American women are threatened by foreign women – in general they are everything American women aren’t so they are more feminine, more attractive, sweeter, thinner, etc… Of course the problem with bringing them into the US is they lack that family support they had in their own country and are exposed to the same culture that ruined American women. So over time, they tend to have the same problem US women have, which is why if you value your wife/marriage, you should avoid bringing her back to the US if you can.
That isn’t saying anything bad about them as such, but about the poisonous and insidious nature of feminism in this country. It is everywhere – in movies, advertisements, you name it.
I love foreign women and they are one of the bright lights of traveling in other cultures.
American women don’t give a fuck about foreign brides.
Because american of relatively good looks get tons of quality guys whenever they please themselves.
You might theoretise here about american vs foreign women,but if tomorrow a foxy american chick,even on a chubby side,will wink you across the room-you will run there all salivating.
And feminists give even less fuck about foreign brides.Because foreign brides are for Betas,and feminists know that USA is oversupplied with betas.
You are doing a good job of pointing out who is the “beta” on this thread.
“Because american (women) of relatively good looks get tons of quality guys whenever they please themselves.”
yeah, but what do the other 98% do? Troll websites when guys dare looking further perhaps?
Lot’s of american women are single mom, drug addict, wh*reS and wants to look tan so they look exotic although they look so f*cking fake!
STATS. Folks think a little. You have a low divorce rate because you have LOW MARRIAGE RATE! Nothing to celebrate! VAWA makes it possible for a woman to get her Greencard a whole lot quicker just by “claiming” domestic abuse. She meets a better match in the USA, all she has to say is “He abused me, go to a women’s shelter” and BAM! There you go, no obligation to stay with her first sponsor, AND she gets a piece of your paycheck to boot. If you marry non-USA/Canadian, DON’T stay in either country. Have your residence in her country. In Canada you are responsible for THREE years for the person you bring over. If she divorces you and goes on welfare and/or collects any government assistance to go to school. YOU ( the man/woman who married her) is on the hook. There was one woman who managed to get her husband deported before she paid a thing. Gender bias right there. She made the mistake of marrying him, yet the officials deported him. Man tried to do the same thing to deport his wife…nothing happened he still owes the government money.
It’s not the act of “marriage” it’s the liabilities of “DIVORCE” one should be more concerned about, cause the courts are definitely not routing for men.
+ the average time of a marriage to divorce with a foreign bride is longer due to logistics.It takes approx up to 5-6 years to get the Green Card/Permanent residence and than some more time to emancipate herself (get a new alpha lover,a lawyer,a job etc)
It sounds like you’re the one who need to think….
“STATS. Folks think a little. You have a low divorce rate because you have LOW MARRIAGE RATE!”
Well firstly, the ‘marriage rate’ is 100%.. they come here as brides. not as unmarried defactos. So what you’re trying to epxress isn’t a rate, but an absolute, nominal figure.
Then divorce ‘rate’ is also a ratio. it can only be between 0-100%, and it is a portion of the above mentioned nominal number of marriages. If the above nominal number is smaller, it plays no material bearing on the ‘rate’.
You’re a moron, you should stop now.
Read the article again. They compared FOREIGN BRIDE marriages to LOCAL MARRIAGES! Last I looked, there are MORE locals than foreign brides. So the foreign bride numbers will be at a LOW RATE. Work on your reading comprehension skills and learn to think.
Compare apples to apples and oranges to oranges. Foreign brides do not have the same numbers as local brides. That’s pretty simple to decipher and hence a twisted comparison.
You repeat the same problem, are you retarded or something?
I know the nominal number of foreign brides are less, that is irrelevant to the divorce rate.
8 out of 10, is the same as 80 out of 100, which is the same as 800 out of 1,000, and that is the same as 8,000 out of 10,000.
The figure is 80%, and comparing the number of local brides to foreign brides does not impact on that percentage.
Congratulations, you’ve confirmed yourself as the dumbest person on the internet. Pick up your participation medal on the way out.
Maybe its because they marry out of practical reasons versus ‘love’. Companionship versus a romantic partner. Face it, romantic loves fades. When you marry for practicality there is less expectations and feelings involved. Most people divorce on emotions versus using their brain. Its why women ask for more divorces.
MONEY. Key issue to divorce is MONEY. Divorce is profitable for a woman, period. That’s why they initiate it. Man won the lottery, he was planning on retiring with his wife. They were married for 12 years. As soon as he won, she divorced him and took half. Her reasoning. “I don’t need you anymore to retire.”
I have been married to a Filipina bride for the past 5 years. She is much younger than me, and I am probably way below her SMV. However, she seems very happy with the arrangement. I get many hate stares from middle aged angry American women (but I repeat myself). I get some comments from young guys either congratulating me on picking up a young chick or telling me that I am robbing the cradle. She is 30 but looks like she is in her teens. She was from an upper to middle class family. Her biggest adjustment was not having servants to do all the cleaning and cooking. Very early on she called her mother to complain about doing yaya (maid) work. Her mother, may she be eternally blessed, told her to quit bitching, roll up her sleeves, and get to work; that she was married now. This is the difference in culture support for marriage we need in the west. In a study of marriage based on the 2010 census data, the only marriage segment that was increasing was American men marrying foreign women. The only divorce statistics I saw were for American men married to Filipina wives. This statistic said the overall divorce rate was 20%; which supports the contention in the OP.
I had several friends prior to my interest in a foreign bride that were married to Filipinas. They gave me good advice and introductions. One guy had been married for about 50 years to the girl he met while stationed at Clark Air Force Base in the Philippines. One of the other two guys had been married less than a year. He soon was put through the divorce meat grinder. So I knew all was not rosy and guaranteed.
It is important that the women have a cultural support system when they get here. By knowing other Filipinas I was able to get her involved with a good group right away. We pretty much only socializes with other American-Filipina couples. Most Filipinas have no interest or contact with, as they put it, the white bitches. Most of the couples have an age difference that would be unacceptable in the USA. This is cultural bigotry. In their culture a significantly older husband is preferable, and the norm. I will say that most of the guys are solid 5-6s and most of the women, other than being 10 or so years younger, are also solid 5-6s. This is called assortive mating. The difference between the Filipina and the American woman in this type of case is these women seem to be happy with their husbands, and aren’t pissed off that they had to settle for less than a 10.
For those suggesting I should move to the country my bride is from if I like it so much, I intend to exit this feminist hell hole as soon as I can viably expatriate.
GOOD! 🙂 All the best to you! 😀
“Her mother, may she be eternally blessed, told her to quit bitching,
roll up her sleeves, and get to work; that she was married now. This is
the difference in culture support for marriage we need in the west.”
This! I have a brother who is now divorced because her family supported her bailing out on him. Two other marriages amongst my siblings are in part still together because either the in-laws love the husband or have very strict religious views on the seriousness of marriage.
One has to research her family these days to find out what their attitude is to marriage. The right kind of attitude certainly will be most helpful.
So cultural bigotry is bad (being disgusted by old men sleeping with young girls), but racism is totally cool (white bitches). That has told me all I need to know about the value of your opinion.
Many foreign countries have low divorce rates for some simple reasons : divorce is frowned upon while concubinage is accepted. Men can continue their marriage and family while having a mistress. This is strictly forbidden in western culture and the man is expected to self-destruct rather than continue his marriage while having an outlet in the form of a girlfriend.
What foreign countries do you exactly speak about?
Eastern europe has higher divorce rates than USA,nothing to discuss here. Phillipines obviously lower (religion,lack of emancipation).Brazil-have no idea,but from what I have seen there the marriage is quite a relative concept,everyone f*cks everyone.Some countries don’t even have divorce laws.
A good thing about abroad is that you might escape paying alimony (cause it does not exist in many countries).But you will have to live there,and a woman with the local knowledge will f*ck you up in no time.
Should you bring her to states-she will f*ck you up using the American law.You might keep her away from the civilization,creating barriers for her emancipation.But it will be temporary.And it won;t work with women from 2nd world (old commies).Might perhaps work with some uneducated,religious chick from S.East Asia.But who needs such woman?
Anyhow,if someone wants something he will find tons of excuses.Thats what you guys here do.
You refuse to listen to advises of people,coming up with ridicculous arguments for foreign brides.But who gives a f* ?Ifyou don’t understand that marriage is a NO-WIN game for a man ANYHOW -its your problem.More sweet girls for those who do.
Divorce is even rampant in China. The Chinese Courts changed family law because they saw why women were getting divorced. They were taking marital property in the process. It was profitable for them to divorce. So what did Chinese law do? They changed it to who ever owns the house, KEEPS the house upon divorce. Parents would buy their sons homes as wedding gifts and women would divorce and take the profits from the sale of the home. NOT ANYMORE! Guess what happened to divorce numbers…they started dropping.
The Philippines has no divorce. It is against the law. If you marry a Filipina in the USA then get the marriage registered in the Philippines, she can not legally divorce you in the Philippines. The rule is that the American husband can divorce the Filipina wife int he US and the Philippines will recognize the divorce. However, if the wife divorces the American husband i the US, the Philippines will not recognize the divorce, and as far as the Philippine national registry of marriages is concerned the woman is still married. The result is if she divorces you here she can not get remarried there.
“The Philippines has no divorce. It is against the law. If you marry a Filipina in the USA then get the marriage registered in the Philippines, she can not legally divorce you in the Philippines. The rule is that the American husband can divorce the Filipina wife int he US and the Philippines will recognize the divorce. However, if the wife divorces the American husband i the US, the Philippines will not recognize the divorce, and as far as the Philippine national registry of marriages is concerned the woman is still married. The result is if she divorces you here she can not get remarried there.”
But why would a man want to stay married to a woman who wants to leave him but can’t? That would be pure hell. Better to let her go and find someone who really wants to be with you.
Because the men that would do that are the ones that can’t find anyone who WANTS to be with them, so they’ll settle for someone who HAS to be with them.
You are very correct. My own grandfather has 3 wives, and 20 children. A friend of mine has an associate in Ghana who has a wife, a girlfriend and a mistress. The wife knows about all of them, and STILL doesn’t leave him! 😛 Divorce laws there are simple. What you came with, you leave with. NOTHING extra. Wife bothers you, you send her back to her family, and her family usually comes back to you to negotiate how to fix the marriage. Divorce frowned upon!
THAT’S RIGHT ! ! !
What outlet does the wife get? Or is serving her husband all she will ever need to be happy in life?
“Lol..in ur dreams hahaja.Women don’t let their husbands to let them fuck in the ass (unless you are blackmailing her somehow).The ass is for hunky alpha out there (a “girls night out” for a husband).”
My apologies, I did not mean “anal sex”. I meant my wife has a nice ass.
What’s wrong with anal?
Incontinence, for starters…
I’m glad someone researched this. I’ve always been skeptical of the mainstream story you get about this avenue. I look at my cousin. He isn’t exactly top caliber in terms of financial success, career success or whatever else women in the western world like to judge men by….but he’s a solid guy.
He had a hard time with women back home. Was always taken advantage of. He got fed up after the last western girl he dated (who had a kid and he happily took in to help raise). So he went the foreign bride route. Asian girl. He’s never been happier. Now has two kids and is happily married. She’s grateful just for the little things and does everything around the house. She’s happy with it. Who are these western women to say otherwise? It drives me bats that these women think they have the female population’s interest at hand. Look beyond the veil, it’s obviously more selfish than that for we know the ways of the western woman.
Bottom line…I’m tired of guys buying into this notion that is perpetuated by western females. They don’t like the competition because it interferes with their “have my cake and eat it too” mentality.
My compliments on your bio.
Hello Kings,
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Thanks,
Michael
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I would think two years would be the “acid” test. If they don’t run off when the status changes from “conditional” to “permanent” then they are not scamming. So near as this article says “For the length of time monitored” which I assume is longer than two years.
Even though I had posted one of those spaz comments, I am delighted to hear this news.
And I have been so thoughtful as to share with it my fellow Jezebel readers that 80% of marriages between European and American men with foreign women are a success. Because I am sure that they too will be just delighted at the news that hordes of American Men might rush out an marry a foreigner and they would never have to endure the agony of being married to one of us.
Guys comment on this in other blogs. Post the link. Get this word around.
I have this theory that if you wanted to end this recession, create a fast track K-2 visa where the guy pays $10,000 and USCIS immediately cuts the visa and then does the research of the forms after the visa has been cut, assuming everything will be fine and pull it if they find problems. Can you imagine the scene at international airports?
You let about 500,000 women into this country as wives and let me tell you, consumption will rise, and housing inventory will shrink. All them video gaming boys see those foreign brides their buddies show up with and Hey, guess what? Instant motivation to stop being a herb. This recession would be over tomorrow.
“You let about 500,000 women into this country as wives and let me tell you, consumption will rise, and housing inventory will shrink. All them video gaming boys see those foreign brides their buddies show up with and Hey, guess what? Instant motivation to stop being a herb. This recession would be over tomorrow.”
The hilarious thing is that this is almost certainly true.
VAWA fast track to a Green Card. No point in bringing in more unproductives to a declining economy. The stimulus money went to women job sectors that were already doing good, at the sacrifice of construction jobs men could do. You think bringing in more women is going to help, when the men have no jobs?
The problem is that you need resources to do this. It cost me over 60K to get my Thai wife back to the US. This included the wedding ceremony and wedding costs.
It’s not as easy as jumping on a plane, finding a bride and then bringing her back.
I’m divorced, from my Polish wife who wasn’t quite a mail-order bride, but we met and married before Poland was liberalised. One of her concerns was that she was nearly 24 and without an eligible man in view, and that was basically OVER THE HILL in Poland. Outside Anglo culture, if a woman doesn’t lock in a good guy by 25 at latest, they know they are on the rejects pile, while their Anglo sisters haven’t even realised there’s a wall ahead of them. So they are serious from that alone.
Same thing in China. 27 is over the hill! Why? ‘Cause the younger the woman 19-25 the stronger chance a son will be born. As technology mitigates the need to reproduce early you have more women waiting till they’re 30 to have any children. Match.com full of 30 and over women stating they want to have children….they missed the boat 10 years ago.
ya that is true they need to have their kids in their 20s,otherwise giving birth into their 30s are more likely to result with a child with disabilities
women need to marry early so they can give time to see if the marrage works then have kids
my mom was 20 when she married then had her 1st kid at 24…..marrying at 24 an later plannin for a kid is not a good idea due to the health risks of mother and child involved.plus u wont have the energy to keep up with young toddlers
Don’t even waste your time with any Chinese female. The reason the Chinese men do not want them is because the women are insane narcissists. I am lucky i got rid of mine and i had known her for 18months and she became less and less human. Also the kinder you are the more weak they think you are. Real personality problems. If you love them they will eventualy destroy you.
Its all wishful thinking. I mean the Union(United Feministings of America) has worked hard to negotiate a company killing labor agreement and these are the scabs(foreign women) that Management is hiring. Have you ever heard anyone say anything positive about scabs? One thing that I’ve never seen mentioned is that in many of these areas men behave extremely badly towards women. Cheating, lying drinking, and sometimes even physical abuse are common. And I think after these experiences many women tend to latch on tightly to what they consider to be a good man. Often this is the same man who in our culture might be looked down upon by women for other reasons(he’s a nice guy–*yawn*).
15 years together this month. The myth of gold digging international brides is perpetuated by overweight American shrew-women.
If American men knew the amazing options that can be had by expanding one’s horizions beyond the US border not a single American woman would ever get married ever! It’s like a Big Mac compared to a Filet Mingon–your choice!
Our Culture is poison. Do Not Drink From the Poison Well!
Overweight-shrews = FAT COW COUCH POTATOES….hahahahaha
You are very demeaning and rude towards women from you own country, it makes you sound bitter. There are so many lovely women in the west, and many awful women elsewhere.
Great post Harry, one thing I wanted to point out was these aren’t mail order brides in the strictest since either. They are not mailed out of a catalogue. You chat the women, skype, talk for months, arrange a meet, then after all that decide to get married if everything is right. The bottom line is American women really just can’t compete…I still say just pack your bags and travel, I think you’ll get even better quality.
My first trip to the Philippines was a scuba diving trip after the tsunami of 2004 ruined the reefs in Thailand. When I got back and told my friends who were married to Filipinas that i had met no “nice” girls, they said of course not, no decent girl will have anything to do with a tourist; you have to be introduced. Now that does not mean you need to go through a mail order bride system. Just find a guy locally that is married to a Filipina or check out any Filipino American Cultural Society in your area. Get to know some people and ask to be introduced to a nice girl. Be serious, and let them know this is for marriage and not sex, and you will have no problem.
When I was visiting my then fiancee’s family I had lots of her relatives and neighbors come over with their daughters and ask me if I could introduce them to some marriage minded American men. I warned them that I had few to no friends younger than 40. They said, “Good. Solid responsible men who are ready to settle down are over 40.” Then they would give me a picture of their daughter with a email address on the back. The last step was when I asked them how old their daughters were. When the typical response of 16 came back I returned the photo and said no way would I cross an international border with a bunch of pictures and email addresses of under age girls.
Well, looks like you missed out on the opportunity of a lifetime. You passed up the chance to marry a young virgin? Keep in mind 16 is probably well past the age of consent in those countries.
My bride was a 25 year old virgin at our wedding. All our dating was chaperoned. She came from a traditional conservative religious family in a small town in the provinces. She has little to no association with what she calls the “white bitches” so she does not ge t contaminated with western values. I was surprised at the extent of the Filipino community here in the midwest portion of the US.
This article was extremely well written. Nice job, I hope to see more of your articles on ROK.
As the American husband of a lovely Cambodian lady 20 years my junior, I can say without hesitation that American men should look abroad for wives. American women are IMPOSSIBLE to have a decent relationship with and will turn on you in a heartbeat. I have quite a few friends who also have foreign wives (mostly from SE Asia) and collectively we are by far the happiest men we know.
noticed that alot of guys(eastern and western nations alike) when picking a wife form east asia they always pick south east asia….thailand and phillipines in particular..why is that?
why not girls from japan hong kong taiwan korea or mongolia as well?
i know some men in japan and korea get girls from thailand. But dont understand since their woman are still femine.
I am not American, but I must say the idea of marrying someone as old as my father is enough to make me vomit. Maybe you just couldn’t find a young pretty american woman who didn’t want to date an old man.
That is funny, because women all over America are being busted for screwing 13 year old boys. It is so often that you can barely go a day without a American female teacher being busted for screwing her students, having their kids, and having group sex sessions with their friends.
Also, women in America absolutely have no problem with dating men 20 years older than them. Heck, they don’t even care if he sleeps with her and her friends. Just as long as the will, and insurance policies are in order.
I am sure Mike could have found plenty of American women to hook up with, and even marry 20 years his junior. But they would have just screwed him out of the deal. Ya see, Mike may actually know that she is not dating him for his young good looks. Mike is very well aware that she is attracted to him due to his ability to provide. And Mike is happy to partake in this deal, knowing this foreign wife will much more likely NOT SCREW HIM OVER after making the deal. Marriage is a business contract. And in the USA, and western world, women have exploited being a women and have turned on men at the same time. Not only do women in the western world abuse the marriage contract due to a heavily favored court system, they take no pride in being a woman or wife. Kinda obvious at this point, and smart men are opting out.
i think these mail order brides are just fine when you screen them properly. chances are she is just as scared about the relationship than u are. but i say avoid girls from oppresive or war torn or poor countrys where u can get fooled ripped off and divorced.
happened to 1 of my dads co workers…he killed himself(WTF) when his arrange marrage wife from india quickly divorced him when she got citizenship(they wanted a petition to deport her)
another was on tv of a guy bringing his soon to be wife from iran…finds out later she brought her fiance over when this poor beta brought her over.
war torn chicks(congo,afghanistan,syria,etc) will be even more desperate to get out plus theylll have the worst case PTS or some other mental porblem to deal with
all in all mail order brides and foreign woman are great as long as u avoid severe poverty ridden or oppressive or war torn nations.
eastern europe east asia and latin america seem to be the perfect haven to find the perfect bride
Nice article, refreshing to read something positive about women from the former USSR, for once. As a girl coming from the region now living in the West, it is painful how often I hear myths about myself and other Eastern European ladies in which we are directly or indirectly called gold diggers or sluts for having “made it” out West (never mind that many of us are here on scholastic merit or supporting ourselves, working as your colleagues). A lot of times you want to say “Don’t let your jealousy show too much” (cause let’s be honest, most of this negativity comes from Western women, some of whom, it seems, don’t look in the mirror before leaving the house) but saying this out loud, of course, would be too ugly, and it’s not really the way to win yourself any friends.
Mail order marriages nowadays are not so different from matches made on dating sites like okcupid, match.com, etc. What makes some people hysterical is probably the fact that the topic of marriage is immediately brought to the table. Marriage as an institution is facing problems in the West- so many people have laughed when I “confessed” that I want to get married, but I don’t understand why. I don’t interfere with your “non-traditional” ways of cohabiting, but if a girl still dreams about having a normal man, a house and a family to take care of, why has that now become laughable? These articles show seem to reveal that something has come unhinged in the balance of Western gender relationships.
Let me guess: you are around 32-34 and you’ve been previously divorced back home?
Back to your cats, troll.
Anna writes a well thought out comment and that’s your response? Bitter angry troll!!
and english is annas 2nd or 3rd language
You’re a fucking retard man. I know a girl who is of Russian descent myself. She’s very nice and humble. You’re a prick my dumb-ass friend.
You’re a fucking retard man. I know a girl who is of Russian descent myself. She’s very nice and humble. You’re a prick my dumb-ass friend.
You know ONE girl. ONE. And what she chooses to “present”. Americans have NO IDEA how weird E Europe is and what they indoctrinate their kids with from a young age. You have ZERO clue what its like to be in a poor village there. Those girls are WAITING to get out in ANY way possible, believe you me. 😉
Besides Russians? Heh. Took from the satellite countries for YEARS and are imploding now cause they are being forced to have some kind of accountability. Wish they would target Chinese men cause they have no brides either. Also the tall Rus genes would probably enliven the Chinese genetic pool somewhat. Finally, they are neighbors and Putin loves Chinas president. Those girls will love all the cheap products and consumer goods.
Win win for all. 🙂
I know 6 American guys married to eastern Europeans and my wife is Ukrainian. We are all very happy. Three of those guys MOVED to their wives country. Two of them to Ukraine and one to Russia. My wife is having serious second thoughts about America and we’re planning to live in Ukraine at least part time. Full time for 2 or 3 years then depending on the condition of America and who is president we’ll come back and forth every few months.
yo keith how are you being treated bro?
back in your box troll…..xxxx anna
You comment is spot on. Unfortunately North America is full of idiots and morons, and the responses to your comment says it all. People are so ignorant and dumb-down it’s not even funny. I wish people would stop being so judgmental. This is typical of North American society today. We like to trash something that or someone who is entirely foreign. How sad.
As an american, I have to agree and say most of us are complete retards, I feel ashamed for living here, and from experience American women are mostly the whores, gold diggers, and have poor attitudes. Would move to another country but nowhere to go.
Go to Romania someone will take you there. Im SO happy Im here in the USA!!!! And yes I made more than my ex AMERICAN HUSBAND. Im the over achiever with good family and ambitions; not him.
You sound so lonely and angry…I’m sure your rabbit keeps you warm at night. American women have made their choices. Learn to live without the men that want someone other that you.
Anna,
Very well said as cultures have indeed changed and with some upholding traditional values more than others. I welcome your insight and to often we lose sight of what we are searching for. Regardless of statistical data, it is the union between those individuals and the effort that they put into making their relationship work that matters. No matter what culture the individuals hail from the complexities are unique for each couple and if they both want to their relationship to prevail they will identify solutions together.
Anna, well said! I’m Brazillian and once I heard a american girl talking how we are “sluts” and “men hunters”.
I’m not the one to blame since she can’t dress, behaver and eat properly! I mean..They could think ” This russian girls are gorgeous and I know I can’t compeate with their beauty, so I’ll improve my clothing, makeup, workout and try to be nice to people!” But they just start to “bitch” about.
Most of the american girls that claim that they can’t make time for this. Well, to disprove this teory here is my exemple: I study (24 credits in law school), I workout 3 times a week, eat everything I want (in small amounts), Have time for going out and to cook for my family. Plus, I work on weekends as waitress. All this and… I’m 21 yo, pretty and happy!
So, what is the excuse for this girls?
Could you fit learning how to spell into your busy schedule?
Bill, Perhaps she should have posted it in Portuguese? I’m very sure you would be able to read and write that better than her too…
she probably speaks more languages than you do, you f’ing clown
considering English is not her first language I’d say that’s pretty damn good! Let’s see your Portuguese skills
Then the moron would have complained about it not being in english -_-
Im female, English, not a single parent. For American readers my teeth are good 🙂 and i play sport 7-9 hours a week. I fully accept that I may not be “gods gift”to men
If a man wishes to meet woo (old fashioned word lol.) and marry a woman from anywhere on the planet its no ones business but his own. No need to be hateful or derogatory.Ladies you sound bitter and twisted.No one is asking us to change into something we are not, just accept that we may not be what some men are looking
for.I do however, wish you
foreign bride seekers every
luck, joy and happiness for the future.
nice
You sound like the complete package. Good for you, please don’t ever become Americanized.
Our american men, Sarah. That’s their excuse. I hate to break the news to you but your busy, that’s not adult responsibilities like kids, mortgage and a real career.
your command of the written english language is suspiciously good compared to most of your fellow zhenshini.
Don’t kid yourself. Eastern European women are nothing but fuck meat. That’s how you are seen by the rest of world, unfortunately. Men do not respect you.
You don’t repsect them, so please do not presume you speak for men bitch.
I respect E. European women, a lot, specially Russian women.
“they always pick south east asia….thailand and phillipines in particular..why is that?”
In general, women from these countries have a strong sense of family, they *like* men and they don’t see men as “competitors” or resources to be mined. They tend to be very sweet and gentle-natured and they abhor divorce. They’re willing to do their part in a marriage or relationship and they don’t have a “Princess” complex like so many American women do. They’re also stunningly lovely, which is nice. 🙂
Seriously, my friends and I who have wives from SE Asia are the happiest guys we know, bar none. Most of our friends with American wives are unhappy, stressed, and are openly jealous of us and our wives.
Strange that all the men I know(in the UK) are more than happy with their western wives, including my Aussie husband. You have no idea if others are jealous or stressed, but no men I know are..
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Your personal experience may differ, but UK has a 47% divorce rate (almost as high as the US 53%, ref. Wiki ‘Divorce Demographics’). However, 2 US and 1 Swiss gov. longitudinal studies find 20% & 20-30% (Swiss) divorce for these pen-pal marriages. Unhappiness and divorce go hand-in-hand, and these d*mning stats better support Mike’s premise…..your purported(?) personal experience notwithstanding.
I believe its 40% here. Thats leaves 60% who never do.
It is my personal experience which isnt ‘purported’. No jealousy from those I know.
You are seeing things that aren’t there. Also many marriages between men and Far Eastern wives fall apart as well. Many marry western men to get to the west and to get money for their families.
You say your personal experience is better than scientific and extensive and repeated studies. This is not rational.
Again, I give data and cites….and you simply ‘believe’ without given basis. As for the ‘60%’, it is a non sequitur as there are some 80% of pen-pal marriages ‘never do’ divorce…you’ve simply flipped to the (1-X) stat which still undercuts your point. Again, you seem to be flailing and struggling to comprehend facts.
No its what I have read in studies in the UK. Not flailing at all.
Sorry, but “its(sic) what I have read” doesn’t meet any reasonable standard.
Its what I have read and heard about others experiences of this.
ITs what I have read in studies here.
> Mail order marriages nowadays are not so different from matches made on
> dating sites like okcupid, match.com, etc.
No, they’re very, very different.
> These articles show seem to reveal that something has come unhinged in
> the balance of Western gender relationships.
Ya think? 🙂
Yes, something has indeed ” come unhinged” in Western gender relationships. That’s why I and so many other men have found it necessary to marry a lady from the other side of the planet- it’s because American women are generally impossible to have a good relationship with. No matter how much they have or how much you give them, they want more More MORE, and they’ll throw you under the bus in a heartbeat to get it.
For many American women, divorce is just another tool in the bag, and they’ll use it if they feel unhappy, unsatisfied, under-appreciated, grumpy, etc etc etc. They will rarely try to fix what’s wrong, they just want out. They don’t respect men (but they demand respect from men) and they don’t care about anything except their desires. Woe to you if you cannot fulfill their every wish, whim, and unspoken fantasy.
PERFECT !! the last paragraph was so good i am going to copy and paste. I tried my heart out with my last female i was hoping to marry, I was only as good as what i did for her that morning.
I hear husbands and wives say, “Happy wife, happy life,” all the time, and it gags me. So, the husband is supposed to bust his ass to please her, and if for whatever reason, she decides she is still unhappy, she has the right to make his life “Hell.” What about the saying, “Happy man, excellent plan?” would that ever be seen as a fair, or reasonable operating principle? NOPE! Not in the feminist world where we now reside.
Lol. I like the rhyming of ”happy man excellent plan” .I hear you, western women are selfish and many do not respect their men like what my husband had experienced. Plus they don’t take care of themselves looking fat and untidy. Do not cook, do not give good sex. Do not clean the house even when she is jobless. So divorce is the best ‘EXIT’. Life is short, don’t deal with bitches.
this is the reason i have decided to find me an asian wife. i am a good man who deserves some one who will respect me as a man. plus i just really love asian woman. lol
Men like meat, dogs like bones. Sorry but not all men want a woman who has a body like a 10 year old girl or a crack whore! I know of 3 men who got fooled by Asian prostitute brides and they are divorced. Two without kids and sadly one with. Guess who has the kids 100% of the time since she shacked up with a wealthier man? He does! Tacky tacky tacky!!! All three took them to the cleaners.
So the man gets to keep his kids if it goes bad in these instances? This is looking better and better.
No one believes you. Women and their beta male slaves have a deep vested interest in lying to us.
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I call BS!! First off, anyone that marries a “prostitute” from anywhere is pushing their luck on having a successful marriage. I am engaged to a very nice woman from China. She is successful in China, good job, good mother, nice parents. In a nutshell, she is everything an American woman is not. Of course, I cannot predict the future but I would be willing to bet we will last a lifetime. She is bright and the nicest person I have ever met. But Chinese culture is not easy on 40 something women. Men are not nice. Finally I just want to say, I like fit women. In America that is a rarity, nearly extinct. No, we DON’T like “meat on our wives bones” which just translates to “FAT”.
I began looking for a woman overseas about a year ago. I must of emailed 50 women, talked to about 10. I found most to be nice but like any population, many did not fit my values or we just didn’t click. China is just full of kind, respectful women in their 40’s looking for real relationships and love. Coming from a poorer country, their desires are more realistic than American women. Secondly, the diets of the Chinese are so much better than the garbage we in the US are eating. Obesity is so rare that on my trips there, I just don’t see it. If you want to know the secret to the obesity problem in the US, just ask. It’s a very simple problem to solve.
The problem is that this slutty that come in from subdevelopment country claim to be better of the western women…
just because sometimes are more sexy..
they come in a rich country and realize that can get a better husband so usually they get worst that western slut and for sure
I can said I met many of this that talk bad about the ex gringo husband .that ” yeah pay for everything but he no have enough money for what
I want”
uahoo this is love….
most of them are worst that western women uneducated slutty style
no loyal no support and they no like to work
I think is challange but for sure if you have more that her and often her no have anything..
you really think she are going to marry you for love?
come on this is for fool…
Or you can go to the foreign country. Date girls, and then say you are renouncing your US citizenship. Foolproof way to screen for the gold diggers.
well it’s your idea so you can try and let me know how work for you..
also I am Italian
You lack the courage to screen women and seek the best for the sake of your future children. I have no such weakness, so I will.
It does not surprise me you come from the western world. You parrot women’s lies about others they use to make excuses for themselves. Typical western male behavior.
I think that you can’t speak for me
I visited 26 countries in four different continent
I speak four languages and I have girlfriends from different culture, religion, country,etc
I am pretty open mind
I respect your opinion but you should respect others opinions as well
for me foreign woman marry american, and europe man just for come in better country you are the last thing in her mind , I am talking in general..
some of them remain with the same man just because no have others option..
there’s a good rule..
marry somebody very similar to you
income, culture, language etc,,
otherway the risk is that one will take advantage of the other..
maybe some of you are so horny.. to no see that she just want come in better country sometimes is no even the money but the possibility for her to have a better life
but this better life no ever include you.
good luck !
It has more to do with women being encouraged to cheat in some countries and being shamed for doing so in others. I believe societies rules should protect children instead of throwing them to the wolves to court voting blocks. But I can see why you say this; women are all like that.
I am not American I am British but we have so many lovely women here, as I am sure you do there also. Most men who go shopping for brides in another country are dysfunctional and selfish..
Define what dysfunctional means in this context.
Not able to have an equal functional healthy relationship without shopping for a bride who is usually wanting money and to leave a poor country and have a better life style.
how is that any different that an American or UK women that asks on the first date “so what do you do for a living”? Everyone weighs the economics of a relationship and I would argue, US and UK women are no better in that regard.
yes, theyre dysfunctional, they dont want fat, old, ugly, used up vag’d or alcoholic slags
I’ve never even been to the UK and i know this, what do you think your men think of you?
They seem pretty happy with us thanks.
Women are worse in England. Isn’t the percentage for single parents at its highest there? I know the states are catching up fast. I would rather be with a woman who wants to spoil me as much as I want to spoil her. I don’t care to be just a paycheck.
You have no idea what women are like here. All the ones and I know are lovely and their husbands seem very happy with them.
Yet the UK divorce rate is 42% and British men are marrying Thai and Filipina women in record numbers. There is even a British owned agency that provides British men with introductions to Thai women. I saw a documentary recently about British men in Pattaya, Thailand who are infatuated with Thai ladyboys. Apparently there are plenty of British men who even prefer a Thai ‘chick with a dick’ over a British woman. That speaks volumes.
And you know this how?
I know a guy that married a woman from the Philippines and after a few kids and learning what she would get after being married for 10 years she cashed in and divorced him. She had a boyfriend all along…from the Philippines. Stupid American men!
Once a foreign bride gets to the US, she’ll develop American friends who will pollute her mind with feminist bullshit. Then she’ll not be haaaaaaaaappy and her good nature will be destroyed. Finally she’ll find the guy she knew who had the band back in her youth and bang him silly while you’re posted overseas to pay the bills for her fucking shoes and baubles.
Although they start with a purer form, foreign brides are not immune to cultural pollution, and you still need to be on top of your game.
Former blue piller, ex-wife from the Phillipines. 19 years married. Had the Manosphere existed in 1995 I’d probably still be happily married. I blame myself somewhat for having the blue pill attitude. She did me a favor though – I escaped without having to pay cash and prizes, and for slightly overweight guy in his 50s who’s finding his alpha the pussy parade is endless.
my parents are immigrants and thats the case the woman do westernize when they more and more come into contact with outside that community plus tv culutre will influence as well
lotta times they can become worse (bitcher as in) than the local westernized ones
“Once a foreign bride gets to the US, she’ll develop American friends who will pollute her mind with feminist bullshit”
I’m sure that happens sometimes, but not always. My wife generally finds American women gross, crude, and tactless, and she doesn’t want to be anything like them. She thinks the whole ‘feminista’ crap is ridiculous and funny.
Your wife is right. Also, a woman with her own decision and has built her own persona will never be influenced by her friends or any crap by western women.
I think the age at which a wife emigrates is a key factor. If a woman completes adolescence in the Phil, then she will have and maintain a pinoy character. In my view, adolescence imprints values, morals, behavior, view of self.
There are loads of women in the west who are nothing like.
I just have spoken this morning with Ukrainian FB of mine (still married to a Brit lol.. just half a year to wait till Indef Leave to remain..poor girl)
Anyways she lived in States for a year and I asked what did she miss about it?
She told me: wearing flip-flops!
Lol.I immediately thought of this place haha.
From my experience, you made an important pont here:
“And I think that the majority of guys who end up going through hell with a foreign woman tend to meet these women in their home countries, instead of meeting those marriage minded foreign women in the woman’s home country.”
I stopped dating United States women in 1996. The first foreign woman I was seriously involved with in the United States ran around with other men so much that her parents, also living in the USA, yelled at her, pointing to me and saying that she had a good man and should stop fooling around. The second foreign woman I was involved with and living with in the United States called the police on me because she wanted money. I am now living in Mexico and married to a wonderful Mexican lady who treats me better than any United States woman–or foreign woman living in the United States–ever did. I have a blog that goes into more detail on that point:
http://refuge4mrasandexpats.wordpress.com/2013/01/13/expatriates-and-the-language-block/.
Sure, there are bad women everywhere. There is no promised land. However, in all of my experiences and observations, foreign women, especially those who live outside of the major cities in other non-English speaking countries, are generally nicer, sexier, more supportive of their man, more sincere, more emotionally stable and more faithful than women in the United States.
Is your photo a joke or are you really a desi dude? Hari?
Desi dudes are marrying American women at a greater rate than Desi women are marrying American men. WHY?
It is a joke. Harry is a white male.
Very cool self-introductiom.
My wife is from Ukraine, I met her online. People find it funny that I’m 24, and my wife is actually older than me at 26, and I’m not some crusty old guy with a younger woman. I tihnk we need to stop those stereotypes because gold-diggers are around everywhere in the US and Canada where I live. Nothing against Canadian nor American women either, it’s just I love my Ukrainian wife.
Connor you are a true gentleman. I can’t stand guys who hate on our foreign women. I find it detestable.
Connor,
My girlfriend lives in Ukraine. Mariupol to be exact. She is THE girl I’ve been searching for. Eventually we’ll get married. Do you live in the U.S.? How did the marriage process go? Did you marry in Ukraine or in the states? How did she adjust once she got here?
Connor, my girlfriend is from Ukraine and the only thing stopping me from marrying her right now is the war. She is kind and loving, tender, caring, beautiful and a true pleasure to be with (even if only chat). Even simple, tender gestures (roses, a poem) are met with enthusiasm and delight. I have offered her serious money time and again (because of the war) for everything from food to medical care and she refuses. Every time. She could have taken me for thousands but is strong, independent and very, very self-reliant.
Contrast with my American ex-wife for whom I:
1.) Bought a car for her son
2.) Carried her daughter through five years of college
3.) Paid for >$15K of crap bought on QVC (found out during home refi)
4.) Paid for her daughter’s marriage (>$25K)
5.) Paid ALL household bills while she spent a year earning a certification that she never kept up and is now worthless
6.) Paid ALL household bills while she spent eight more years getting a Masters (luckily, she put the tuition in her name only)
7.) Called me while I was in the hospital to say she was leaving me once she had the Masters and a job
Item #7 happened when she had secured a job, an apartment and a new car all on her own credit (she had to because she did it behind my back and without discussion). The only saving grace was that my lawyer said the divorce would be a piece of cake because she didn’t need alimony (we had no kids together and she was obviously self-sufficient).
I wouldn’t go back to American women if someone put a gun to my head – I’d move to Ukraine, war and all. I’d take a bullet for this good woman and count myself lucky to have done so.
I am British but I know some lovely american women. just because you had ONE bad experience you rejected all women????
Of course not – I was just citing the worst. Over my 50 years of dating, I have found American women to be mercurial, vague, materialistic, amoral, dedicated to cults of personality (Oprah, but others as well), and excellent examples of Borderline Personality Disorder.
As an example, let me tell the anecdotal experience of two Boston DJs who were both ftiendly, smart, well-read and generally likable guys. As an experiment, they went to Revere beach (Boston coastline) to see if they could get phone numbers for potential dates. They drove up in one DJs bomber car and, after about an hour, left with nothing.
They went to an auto dealer with whom the station did business and borrowed a state-of-the-art car (BMW, I think – not sure) and returned. Note they kept all of the other variables constant – same clothes, personalities, etc. Within 15 minutes, each had a sizable number of potential dates. The only variable was the (cost of the) car.
Hardly a rigorous or statistically significant sample, but one that gives insight to the priories of many American women.
I think you are looking in the wrong places. There are men and women who are looking for all the wrong things. Many men are ONLY interested in a woman’s looks, many women are ONLY interested in whether a man is rich and/or powerful/famous. Thats life, but there are many of us who arent shallow and are more interested in a persons character and personality and moral values and integrity.
If I am looking in the wrong places (New England), then where are the “right” places? I don’t have an unlimited travel budget, not to mention money for wooing a woman and having nothing come of it. This last part is what I stated earlier: 50 years of dating and nothing to show from it but a bitter ex-wife and greedy stepchildren. Her 50’th? $3K sapphire and diamond ring. My 50’th? Nothing. N-O-T-H-I-N-G. Not a card. Not a home-cooked meal. Her daughter sat in MY living room and asked what I was going to do for my 50’th. Last I knew, in 20’th century North American culture, it was common to bring in friends and celebrate – it’s called a “party”.
This is the best I could find in 40+ years of dating. A self-centered woman who held the TV remote in the grip of death and woe to the man who interrupted Oprah.
So where are these places (honest question)?
My Ukrainian girlfriend just had her birthday today and had to call and tell me how romantic I am, and that she misses me. In all those years of marriage, I /never/ got a call like that from my (American) ex-wife, despite working in several different states to make a living for her. Try having your next birthday with a bartender.
There are loads of lovely women in the uk where I live, and loads of lovely women in the church. I also know some really nice American Christian ladies.
Diana, you’re missing my point – the fact is that I had a considerable number of semi-relationships that ended for capricious reasons (when I actually knew the reason; many simply ended with no reason given).
I reached the Pavlovian point where I equated dating American woman was similar to putting your hand on a hot stove. You will never get anything different. Your friends may be nice, but my visceral reaction is that I would be rejected for reason(s) unknown. To resort to a cliche, Einstein defined insanity as doing something over and over again and expecting the same result.
My Ukrainian girlfriend is like a breath of fresh air – she cares about my health, gives me someone whom I can care for, and generally behaves (don’t like “behaves”, but it’s early) like a normal human being; considerate, reciprocating, caring, loving and seeing me on an equal basis rather than someone on which to superimpose their will. There is no power struggle between us; we discuss matters as equals and often she points out things I have missed. My ex would have exulted in the idea that she found a shortcoming in my chain of reason to the point where it became obnoxious.
But I already have a nice Ukrainian lady, whom I’d have to sever relations with in order to begin an uncertain relationship with one of the ladies you mention. My Ukrainian lady and I have seen each other through some of the worst times in our lives. We have had each others backs through all the chaos, no matter how bad it got.
Are you suggesting that I throw away a wonderful relationship with a beautiful (body and soul) Ukrainian woman for an uncertain relationship with an equally uncertain lady simply as a matter of geography? My apologies, but that reeks of lunacy and also egregious disloyalty. My Ukrainian woman has given me *no* reason to end our relationship and there is no guarantee that the “really nice American Christian ladies” would produce an equally beautiful relationship.
Cards on the table: I love my Ukrainian woman with all my heart and soul. I’d take a bullet for her. She has stood by me no matter the cost (emotional or financial) in every crisis, and I for her. I would no more abandon her than I would cut off my own arm. Someday, when Putin’s army leaves the Donbass, I will go there, step down on one knee and ask her to be my wife for the rest of my life and beyond (if possible).
The spur for establishing this relationship may have been the shortcomings of an American woman but the result was a love that has already seen four years and, God willing, many more.
So this relationship is mainly long distance? How many months have you actually spent together?
You have a long distance relationship which isnt the same as living together. Things may not stay the same after 5 or 10 years of actually being together all the time.
I can see where this is going and I don’t like it. I have no intention of continuing this conversation. Good bye.
AH so I am right. You have not spent much time together at all, if any. Online relationships are not real life.
fuck you’re retarded.
When I eventually get hitched it will be with a south-east Asian girl. I only know one man who has married a North American woman and is very happy in his marriage.
I am British and I know hundreds of good marriages, and none of them are men married to foreign brides.
Unreal. Great report….just confirms I did the right thing by a) NEVER even thinking about getting married in the US and b) moving abroad to work and chase cooler, more rationale, feminine and hotter women
In your opinion. Thankfully most western men are more than happy and able to have good relationships with western women.
I do realize that your last reply in this forum was three months ago. But after scrolling through the comments and seeing you pop up everywhere I just could not resist. Anyway here goes nothing.
I am an American man that is 24 years old. I have dated many American women of my generation and been married and have come to one simple conclusion our culture particularly with younger generations here in America is *Fucked*. Marriage is a joke to most women my age (I say most because there are exceptions to all rules)
Most women my age are not willing to work to keep a relationship going they want instant gratification and if they don’t get it they want to leave or go find the next man who will give them that at the first sign of trouble. Now before you try to argue this or dare claim that isn’t true look around. I also know that your marriage isn’t all rainbows and sunshine (because all relationships have their ruff patches) but I digress the point being is that if most women my age due to our cultural don’t share the same belief as me when it comes to marriage (I believe my wife is my equal and that you never give up on your marriage) is it so wrong for me to look at another culture that might have a view closer to my own? Wouldn’t that improve my chances of being in a healthy relationship than the slim odds of me finding an American woman who shares my belief and is closer to my age? But hey I could be wrong (Im not). Lastly I think you need to take a long look in the mirror because there is something wrong with you Diana you have taken out so much time to express your outrage on an issue that doesn’t even concern you. Which leaves me to conclude that you are either a person who thrives on downing others to make yourself feel just a little bit better and that strife just gets your rocks off or that you are lying your ass off about your happy marriage or the final one someone left you for a foreigner in your past either way I pity you deeply and pray you grow a brain cell sometime soon
Harry, I’m interested at the statistics regarding marriages of Swiss women with foreign men. Can you detail them by nationality or quote the original source?
Very good info.
I know one guy: Russian mail order bride…long term greatness.
Another guy: Russian mail order bride skips out soon after arriving in US. Get’s 2nd Russian mail order…long term greatness.
Know more than 5 guys with SE Asian wives….everyone I know has had it turn out great.
In the U.S., 30 states have 16 as the age of consent…the rest are 17 & 18.
In the Phillipines, in the case of marrying someone older, the age of consent is 12. Legislators in the Phillipines are trying to get the age raised to 16.
So, the 16 year olds are OK per the Phillipines, and in the vast majority of states a 16 year old is OK to marry also.
I can see why a Filipino mail-order-bride married to a Swiss man wouldn’t last 5 minutes. First, both would be communicating in English – a 2nd language for both of them. The culture shock, the language, religion, climate shock.
Men that buy humans are pigs, plain and simple. I do feel very sorry for the Filipino mail-order-brides. They are desperate women who resort to sex slavery because their family often needs the money. Must be so repulsive to sleep with a horny old white guy because you need to pay a hospital bill for your mother’s operation.
Only the worst kind of man would take advantage of a young woman’s unfortunate economic situation.
I agree, however, these poor desperate women are usually generations younger than their “husband” on top of the culture clash, economic clash, different religion, language, etc. I put husband in quotes, because these aren’t “real” marriages. There’s no partnership. There is nothing these couples could possibly have in common. The man holds all the cards and is the dictator in the relationship.
These men don’t want real partners. They want complete control and submissive young, pretty wives. Usually, these men have been divorced a couple of times and are failures with women.
I’m a good-looking 30 year old guy that’s married to a Filipino wife that’s 27.
I was able to get American women, but you guys are just so unpleasant.
Don’t be butthurt because a few guys don’t want to date chicks with dicks.
nice
Lovely. No wonder you couldnt find a women from your own country with a terrible attitude like that.
Our solitude is what created our attitude, not the other way around. I’m a liberal, atheist vegetarian and you feminazis are too much for even me.
If you would open up your mind even half as much as you open your legs, you might actually learn something.
Not sure if you are talking to me in that appalling way, but I am happily married and completely faithful. I can see why you have to go bride hunting though with that terrible anti women attitude. I dont actually know a single feminist and have never met one.
Gee, Ms. Diana, now why in the world would a man think
that way?I wonder why?
Fill in the insult for your idiocy or else I will run out before I get to the end of your comments.
Well Christ on a cracker I am jealous Ive met a few.
I wonder why he has that attitude. I wouldn’t come within 10 feet of your smelly single ass. Thank god my AMERICAN woman is nowhere near as ignorant as you, or the other one up there I commented back to. Let alone the loads of feminist bullshit protesters demanding more rights, yet they could put a man behind bars with a simple call, get paid on, in most cases, the same scale, have the same voting and representation, and could take any man for all he’s worth by professing fake love and then taking his livelihood with a signature and an attorney. If I was being abused by my woman and called the cops, they’d show up, call me a pushy and tell me to man up, and leave. I’m sorry, but most of America hates you people. And American women are awful and self-centered. Many men here know it and if you talk to foreigners they know it as well. Thank god my girl does not act like that and she despises feminists more then I do.they would have made sense in the 60s, but it’s 2014. Most of them are lesbians, lesbians-to-be, or butthurt women that were hurt by one, or a few men, which by the way they made the dumb choice of dating because they were going for good looks, not good personalities. Jeeze, no wonder most inventions and discoveries are by men. Women are too busy complaining about stupid shit, or eye-fucking the latest douchebag heartthrob.
And by the way, use a different word then appalling. It’s redundant, and in literature redundancy is frowned upon. Commenting can be considered a former of literature so this most certainly applies. Writers and people in general are usually not supposed to use the same word like that so many times in a row. If someone were to use the same adjective, in most cases, more than once in a paragraph, let alone a sentence, they would be considered to be a horrible linguist. Are you intellectual enough, or mentally able to come up with any other description word other than the one you are currently choosing? Your dimwitted, defensive comment prove otherwise.
Also, you are responding in a very feminist way, so you could be considered one. Congratulations! You are the very thing you claim to have never met. For example, I am not a bride hunter, I am also in a relationship, I was just curious because I saw a video about this topic. So don’t assume things, just like you are assuming everyone on here is looking to shop for brides. How do you even know these people want to get married, because my girl and I are not. Also, what were you doing on this site if you are “happily” married (because we all know no couple is ever completely happy 24/7, we all have our minor issues, yet still remain in love and together). Also, who are you to judge these people? You have no idea who they are, what they do or what they look like. You are assuming everyone on here is an ugly, socially inept, loser looking to buy love. I guarantee you I am leagues above your “hubby” as far as looks, yet am as humble as can be about those things. so Im glad your post is too old for you to judge me. I’d bash you considerably. You are ignorant, one-sided, judgemental, rudimentary, conforming, contradictory, and most likely cliche. I hope I never become like you. I’m glad I don’t have the white picket fence life. It’s boring and over-rated. I work, am social, provide for myself, respect all others despite differences, but do not respect when someone judges another or has ideals and opinions that stand for nothing and do it by blatently forcing them down everyone’s throat. Keep it to yourself feminist bitch! Good day!
It sounds like you might be bitter cause no one is opening their legs for you
So its OK for women in western countries to be submissive to their bosses but not to their husbands?
Yes and that why the divorce rate MAY be lower because these women have no means of escaping.
I have noticed that too, that many of these men are disasters at relationships. A normal functional man does not need to go shopping for a bride.
A normal functional woman has no need to slander everyone who disagrees with her.
Where is the slander? I am going on facts of those who have to go shopping for a woman. In most cases they are not emotionally healthy of functional people or they wouldnt need to. Not all of them I am sure, but most . You are the one who is being rude and slanderous, criticising all women for what one or two may have done to you, you are very bitter.
You think it could be out of preference, and not need? I find it particularly easy to pick up American women (my accent seems to helps a lot, ironic huh?) It’s more difficult to find one I want my future kids to call mom.
I’ve lived in Europe, the US and traveled parts of Asia. To me Asian women in general, Japanese and Chinese in particular, are the kind of women I want my kids to look up to and daughter to mimic.
Those are also the kind of women that make me WANT to do with pleasure everything American women will tell me they expect me to do and I might end up doing grudgingly.
I am in no hurry to marry, and by no means desperate, but preference and experience will have me look online before settling on an American woman if it ever came to that.
He was ‘slandering’ you based on your comments.
You are slandering and demeaning non Western women and the men that are drawn to them. If anything, all you are doing is perpetuating the stereotype of Western women being far more insecure, angry and discontent with themselves and their lives.
Thank you for having a great reply to that idiot.
Where do you get your facts? One or two “stories” passed down between 3 or 4 set of hands. Like I said, do some research. Use google. Look these things up. Look up actual accounts of these relationships and then form an opinion. And what is a functional man? The one you’re married to? Based on your comments, I’d be willing to bet he is one stupid man. Like I said, he’s probably the cliche type of man who watches sports, works a mid-level job, and has an IQ of just under 100. Many of these men who marry foreign brides are indeed functioning men. They have good jobs, a good life, their own place, etc. So they are functioning. They may not be the stereotypical “man” or be completely “normal” in societies standards. But how many people are? I’ve actually met one such man who married a ukrainian. She was in the same age range, decent looking and friemdly. He worked as a manager of a car dealership, and had his own house, as well as his own car.they’ve now been together for 4 years and are very, very happy, even though she spoke no English at her arrival, which of course was a challenge. Have you ever met an actual couple? Probably not. You are most likely going by heresay, or by that TV show, which, of course, picked the most extreme of situations. Based on your knowledge of this kind of situation, you have no real or relevant information on these affairs, and therefore should not have an input.
I don’t think they are really taking advantage of a young woman’s unfortunate economic situation. Years ago I wrote some women from the Philippines. I have had some contact recently with several, now married and living in poverty and quite unhappy with their life. Had I chosen to marry one of them their life would have been far better. It would have rescued them not taken advantage of them. As it turned out I never did and ended up marrying a wonderful woman from Russia 6 years ago.
The funny thing is, The Swiss domestic man to Filipino Foreign women divorce rate is still lower than Swiss-Swiss
So it’s OK for western women to chase after Sugar Daddies but not OK for foreign girls to chase after nice western men who want a real relationship. Thanks for making that clear.
Its not a real relationship its because they are poor and desperate, and the man is too dysfunctional to be able to have a normal relationship with a women who is his equal.
And yet all women try to marry up. The foreign girls are doing exactly what the western chicks do. You’re just upset that the man can actually go off and get something alternative to the western hags that are on offer and the only response you can offer is “there’s something wrong with the man who won’t marry a western girl” because you want to have the entertainment of seeing him ass raped by said western chick in the family court.
Not so. I happen to know countless lovely women in my country who are very happily married to men of our own country. Men who dont need to go to another country to find a woman who they can enjoy life with because they are good men who treat women as equals and with respect. They don’t need to find a servant.
From what you have said and the appalling words you have used, I can fully understand why no women in your own country would be interested in you.
That’s stereotyping. I thought you chicks didn’t do that type of thing.
Any country with a 50% divorce rate will have countless women of the type you describe. They will also have countless bitches. Then there are the ones who become bitches once the wedding cake is eaten.
Tell me, would you drive a car down the road if you knew there would be a fifty percent chance of a serious car accident each time you did so?
Yes truth seems to have a habit of being appalling. You’ve said nothing to refute those appalling words and the shaming stick seems to be the only tool in your toolbag.
Its not the truth that is appalling but your rudeness and hatred for women and bitterness that is appalling. In nearly all the marriages that I know that have ended, its nearly always been the men and their appalling behaviour who have led to this. Either abuse, serial cheating or some other awful behaviour. Actually in my country the divorce rate isn’t 50% but 40%, and being that I have a great marriage I am glad that I made that decision to marry.
The fact is that most men(not all) who go shopping for a bride are ones who cannot for whatever reason, have a normal functional relationship with an equal partner. They cannot get a woman any other way than going to countries where women are desperate for a rich western man, because they are poor, or needy or desperate. They arent too fussy either.
You mean to tell me that you married down rather than up?
Like it or not….George is correct. Read “MEN ON STRIKE”
Man you sure are spending a lot of time on this site and getting into heated discussions with these guys Lady. Is it that important? If your marriage is so great, shouldnt you be spending more time with your “Great” Husband instead of fighting with guys who are obviously have opinions that are 100% polar opposite to yours? Who knows, while you are wasting time chatting it up on the internet, your husband may be out banging some Russian Babe.
This is why your an idiot.
I would say the same of your judgmental self.
I do not recall George saying he wanted a servant. You know what they say about people who assume don’t you?
You are so obtuse is there no end to your idiocy. Someone buy this woman some sense.
You have it backwards. More and more men are coming to the realization that they don’t have to settle for some bitter, angry hag just because she lives around the corner.
I love how almost all the people commenting who are against marrying abroad are woman. Either jealousy or the dumb-ass feminist movement has clouded your minds. Stop stereotyping and try basing your statements on cold, hard fact. Unless you are unable to do so. There are too many ignorant comments on youtube and the like as it is. I am with a woman who is 40 and I’m in my 20’s. Does that make me dysfunctional? Or ugly? For the record, I was one of the “players” in my high school years and dated many very attractive girls. I just grew up. I am with my girl because she’s an amazing, witful, beautiful woman. Not because she or I are desperate or seeking financial stability. I say who cares how someone finds love, just be happy for them. And by the way, I am in no way against women rights. I actually would rally for them if I felt they were lacking. Truth is, they are not. Society sees them still as vulnerable, thus hindering men’s rights in the process. Such is seen in cases where innocent men are accused of violence when the woman has no signs of abuse (which I have personally seen many times in my field of probation). And a woman gaining rights to children when she is clearly not able to care for them. I just believe the feminist movement has gotten out of hand due to them still viewing themselves as treated less then their male counterparts. It is vague, ludicrous, and gone on too long. Let alone their outrageous comments, statements and views, and lack of viable proof regarding their cause.
I agree completely. The commenter is almost certainly a single woman, jealous and hateful towards men because of failed past relationships. The act of one man should not be projected onto the gender as a whole. It is extremely ignorsnt. I worked with a woman who treated all the men in the department with disdain, based solely on her THREE ex husbands, all of which she had children with. Thus, she was left with 5 kids she could not care for and received no help because the men were all worthless. Therefore she treated myself, and all the other men like crap. It was so outrageous that she ended up finally getting fired for it. She was an under educated, feminist, resentful human being, even though most of us were good, respectable men. I could not believe her attitude, and funny enough, I have met many other women just like her. One of whom became a “lesbian”, and I say that in quotations because she clearly was not, just because the man she loved her whole life since high school dated every other girl besides her and kept her in the friend zone. It’s appalling because she went balls out, shaved her head and gained tons of weight to act the part when she was still extremely feminine and obviously straight.
Actually that’s so off base. So you’re saying that manly men that are devilishly handsome are good men? No, not really. Most times, they are the ones to cheat and lie, and treat women like shit. The quiet, withdrawn, awkward guys are usually the ones who are so absurdly nice that women walk all over them, and keep them as “just friends”, while they date a handful of good looking guys who treat them horribly, and complain to the nice guys, “oh, why can’t I find a nice guy? Oh, why?” Uhh, maybe because you date douchebags. Truth is, I was a douchebag my early high school days, but could neverfind a nice girl, cause the chearleading, or good looking girls are often the same as their male counterparts in this country; conceded, self-cenetered, and have horrible personalities. It wasn’t until junior year that I grew up and became a more quiet, humbled guy. That’s when I started to talk to the studious girls. Or the ones that are not the cliche “beautiful”. Hence when my obsession with unique looking beautiful girls started. That’s when I started to have good relationships, where the girl didn’t cheat, or dump me for her next fix (mind you I a pretty decent looking guy as well). Those cliche girls just tend to hop around cause they can. To this day I do not find models or most porn stars, or most celebrities good looking. My friend will point out who they think is an attractive woman and I’ll say, “yeah, she’s not my type.” The atypical attractive women tend to be beautiful not just by looks, but by personality and soul, as well.
Although in my early years when I was still naive and acted like a pompous dick, I did date a few nice girls, but my personality ultimately put a bad taste in their mouth. It was actually one such girl who I had my first true love with, who ended up leaving me because of my awful attitude, which led me to quickly mature and rethink my action. It was then that I became a more matured, pensive, and compassionate guy, and formed the personality and thought processes very much resembling mine of today. So simply, I am a quite quiet, polite and upholding man and treat everyone, not just women, with the utmost repsect.
You are once again, off base. I know of countless relationships that have ended because of the actions of the woman, not the man. And I know many, many men who have been rendered useless because of the hurt a woman has caused them. Many of these are those I know from the AA meetings I attend. Many of the men there were essentially pushed into drinking heavily because the love and trust they had in their wives was so broken. Problem is, you most likely talk mainly to your girlfriends, all of whom will only bring up the horrible men who have ruined theirs, or others, relationships. I’m sorry, but I find, which is also my girlfriends opinion, so don’t say it’s because I am a guy, that the amount of men and woman that are infidelitious is basically even, give or take a few. And in my experience, I have been cheated on many more times then I have cheated. Actually the ratio would probably be 20 to 1. And that is not counting the amount of woman I’ve cut if off with because of other actions. Do some research. Then come back. Don’t just listen to all the woman spouting oh mine or their man has done this, this and that. Because it is ultimately bias. They would never bring up the things they did wrong, or, in some cases, the things they did during that mairrage that forced the man to seek love and comfort elsewhere. And yes, it does happen. You hear a woman say, oh my man wasn’t there and didn’t love me and didn’t show love, so I cheated and most likely, many women would feel for her, or just feel bad for her. What I’m saying is, when a man does it, he’s an ass hole and a horrible human being. When a woman does it, she’s a poor, unloved, rejected, ignored, injured little rabbit.
a western man who marries a foreign woman is not disfuntional. so many amerian men marry foreign immigrants, why ant amerian men do the same?
A good portion of the men who go get foreign women do so because they are unable to appeal to any american women. All american women want is a partner (not a boss) who has at least as much to bring to the table as she does. Whereas most of the men who marry the foreign girls are looking for a housekeeper/baby factory.
Guess what, just like “alpha” males get their pick of women, women who are hot, smart, and funny also get their pick of men. So we can pick guys who are “manly men”, devastatingly handsome, while still being a good, nice human being. I pity the little boys who are stuck with the “nice guy” complex. You’re pathetic, stop being a “nice guy” and just be a good person. There is a huge difference and women know it. The reason hot women won’t go for “nice guys” is because we know most of them are pathetic self-pitying, secretly misogynistic jerks.
I totally support the men marrying foreign women. Good riddance to bad rubbish I say.
So what does an American woman bring to the table beside tits and a used vagina?
So what do American women bring to the table besides tits and a used vagina?
So what do American women bring to the table besides tits and a used vagina?
So what does the western sheila bring to the table besides a used up body?
Well have read this thread thing all the way through.I have laughed booed, been outraged and mostly enlightened. I can conclude an awful lot of females feel they should be entitled to an opinion regarding men seeking foreign girlfriends or brides. Im afraid not ladies not at all. Its simply our loss and not our concern or business
Why all the vitriol? Women can be vile, men too I assure you.
But have a wee bit of dignity please.
My boss is married to a lovely Thai lady. is taller than me and fiesty. SHE is the boss at home. They are devoted to each other. Can only hope I can find that
old thread but I am going to have to totally agree with you ant. My soon to be ex wife claimed to be a victim to sucker me into whatever purpose she had in mind. Screwed up my credit, lied about probably everything. She ended up killing one of my very close female friends and only got two years prison for it. She called it quits first and I took her back when she got put in prison, then after I pay for her commissary for two years she says bye again two weeks before she got released. She didn’t have to marry me to do all that. That is what my compassion and empathy brought me. Thank God we didn’t have kids. I have made my mind up about american and western women because they are just walking disasters and godless heathens. The few good ones are taken already. Try dating after that kind of train wreck. What do you say? How do you explain why your marriage failed? I get treated like a leper EVERY TIME I ever bring it up or get asked about it. Like its my fault that she was a bad person. I never wanted pity. There is no compassion either, no empathy. I’m done with the gene pool here. Too much predictable programming and society is degrading at a faster clip day by day. I am responsible for the decisions I make. I won’t make any more mistakes. Now I just have to get the money to go through with it. That is another 2 years of my life gone. one of my friends has a good saying or twist of words so to speak. She calls everybody american’ts and rightly so.
I agree with this totally.Its demeaning for the poor woman who is usually desperate.
No, you’re desperate. Your condescending attitude tells me that you couldn’t get laid at a rapist convention.
So how come I am married to an amazing guy then?
yeah right…
Because he’s most likely one of those stereotypical “manly” guys who has a buzzcut, a gay ass tattoo he got when he was drunk walking home from a frat party, an IQ of 89, a sports obsession, a mediocre job, friends who look exactly like him or at least similar, a steak and meat diet, horrible sense of fashion, and the same dumb ass, ignorant, judgemental and uneducated opinions and points of view as you. Like you said in another comment, he probably is just as subjective as you toward people who are “different”, or, as you stated, emotionally unhealthy and unstable. Which, by that standar, he would hate me because I have a plethora of mental illnesses. Yet, somehow, I beat a drug and alcohol addiction in my late teens, attend meetings at AA, have many very good, educated and witty friends, have a good full time job as a probation officer, have my own condo, and managed to get into a great relationship with a wonderful, beautiful woman who is every bit as intellectual as I am. Somehow I managed to do all that being schizophrenic and sociopathic. So yeah, despite my “emotionally unhealthy” brain, I have a life every bit as “american” and fulfilling as yours. Hmmm.. weird, huh? Only difference is, based on your simple and ignorant comments, I appear to be more accepting of people then you(despite me having trouble with caring for and connecting with others), and have at least 100 IQ points, and a whole dictionary worth of vocabulary more than you! Looks like I accomplished…more actually (because I research, paid attention in school, and generally am just more knowledgeable than you) then you did in life. Wow! Isn’t that amazing considering I’m not “normal” like you (thank god), and have this darn handicap that is my mind. Jeeze don’t I wish I was like you and just so normal and over-rated! Not!
most foreign women who marry amerian men are not desperate. they simply appreiate their husbands a lot more than amerian women and we treat them right. thats all.
And your comment just shows that you’re a misogynist. Isn’t drawing broad general conclusions fun?
100 whole IQ points? That’s so cute. Maybe if you were smarter you’d see the hypocrisy in criticizing diana for making assumptions and then turning around and doing the exact same thing.
I am thinking of this also, I am well traveled and have seen what the women in other countries look like and act. I am severely displeased with American women, UK women are just as bad. Women are just pissed here in america about this because for every one who ships in a woman or wife that means one USA woman has to buy a cat.
Somehow, I don’t think American women are collectively grieving the loss of the kinds of men who seek mail order brides. Young women may just have to settle for men who are under age 50, under 300 pounds, have a modicum of charm, and actually LIKE women as human beings.
Says the fat, ugly and over-the-hill beast who HATES men.
Hey Momma! I hear there is room for you in Jelly school 😉
I think what you meant here was:
Then it makes more sense.
Because when you marry foreign, it usually means you like OTHER women as human beings much more than you care for AMERICAN women as human beings.
Love my American family members and female friends, but I’d never marry American. American women are better at having careers than being wives, and who am I to stand in the way of some driven woman’s careerism?
She can have her career. I found my wife overseas. Everybody’s happy!
well said.
Lets put it into context for you. An emancipated woman does as much for me as a feminine guy does for most women.
You sound rather full of resentment, by the way. It’s probably just part of the grieving process.
“Somehow, I don’t think American women are collectively grieving the loss of the kinds of men who seek mail order brides.”
Then why do they rant and rave on about it endlessly?
They dont, most couldnt be bothered.
UK women are lovely and most uk men are totally happy with their normal UK wives except those men who cant seem to do relationships and have to go and find a women who is so poor and desperate that she will accept anyone.
lol
Its true. I have seen some documentaries about men who went looking for mail order brides.Without exception they were all dysfunctional men who had failed at many relationships/marriages or who had never had a single relationship.
Women in the uk are great, the ones I know and have known anyway.
Many men dont want to make the effort to have an equal relationship with anyone.
That’s one of the most disturbing articles I’ve ever read. Calling western women sluts and whores? No wonder you can’t find a woman in your own country with being so nasty, and have to get a desperate poor woman.
All women try and marry up. It’s called hypergamy and I’m of the view it is worse in western women than third world women.
Not that I have noticed.
Pete I agree. Many men who go this route cant get a women in their own country because they are bad at relationships, so have to go and more or less ‘buy’ one. Its sad.
Trying to explain in general anything to a woman is difficult. Men and women are very different and see the world from very different perspectives… yes the genes really do make a huge difference. Men see the real world and women live in dream world. Ever been stoned? Well imagine living that way your entire life? Mom won’t hug my dad after all the bills get paid? Brother in law is about to have a heart attack while the wife goes to school and doesnt help the kids with their homework while taking money from dad for school? Sister doesnt like the house she has so figures lets get a more expensive one…. yeah well thats life. Women are for sex and most dont like it after 25. Find one you can handle asian or not. Be warned… std test, credit check, parents alive, has a savings account… i could talk all day. Just dont believe the lies, men tend to be suckers, I know because I am a man… a sucker… NOT anymore. I be a player from now on… way better than trying to actually date women. Sorry if you all get butt hurt… believe me if i found ANY girl that was worth dating id be married and not researching whether or not the girl im having sex with is married or a mail order bride or who knows…
No woman will weep for you not wanting to marry them.
By the way I’m 20 yrs old SE Asian woman and married to a 23 yrs old
Caucasian man and I’m not up to his money nor greencard. I’ve always
been attracted to Caucasian men since i was little and i don’t find him
ugly at all, I find all white people exotic and attractive, Poor or rich
at least his young like me, mature and responsible. I am very poor and
of course i want a man who can give me and our kids a good future. Being
poor is hard and it’s s*cks seeing a family member dying because there
is no enough food, money and medicine. I don’t want to see my children
experience that. I always look up our future and i love my husband so
much, I always take care of him and i always cook healthy food for him
so we can be together for so long and raised our kids together.
Stick to your own race…no more genocide for the White race
You are a neo-nazi dumbass.
Those who seek mail order brides are overwhelmingly homely, middle-aged men looking for very young, beautiful women. It is an exchange: men provide access to citizenship and money, women fulfill sexual gratification fantasies of insecure, lonely men.
These are not women who hold a biblical view of godly submission to their husbands, nor are these men who hold a biblical view of godly headship. It looks to be a very ritualized form of prostitution, where a woman tries to make a man feel virile and cherished, in exchange for the man providing material benefits and opportunity to the women. Sad. Creepy. Immoral.
I so agree with this.
Those who seek mail order brides are overwhelmingly homely, middle-aged men looking for very young, beautiful women. It is an exchange: men provide access to citizenship and money, women fulfill sexual gratification fantasies of insecure, lonely men.
These are not women who hold a biblical view of godly submission to their husbands, nor are these men who hold a biblical view of godly headship. It looks to be a very ritualized form of prostitution, where a woman tries to make a man feel virile and cherished, in exchange for the man providing material benefits and opportunity to the women. Sad. Creepy. Immoral.
All I can say is there are good and bad people in every culture and country in the world. I was married to one for 10 years. First thing you need to understand is when you bring a woman here from a foreign country and culture, it is going to be your job to help her adjust. Then there is the fact they will get home sick and miss their food, and music, and everything related to their homeland. And most Americans can be very rude to a foreigner, just because they are simple minded.Whereas in her country I had a very good experience with the locals, Took time to learn some of their culture, and food, so I would understand her better. Eastern love their black bread, and try to give them our white bread, they will ask if you are crazy, be ready to buy and eat a lot of real dairy, they don’t like our fake dairy, real butter,sour cream, and the like. All their food taste different because it is not produce the same, and has a better taste to it, no hgh, no of that. Most of them can cook good too, but some dont like to, and some are not very good at it.I suggest you spend some time in her homeland, learn her culture, then bring her here. After some time she will adjust and become somewhat americanized, and things will be good, but patience is the key.Be careful, it is your choice who you marry, and sometimes you make a mistake.
I just read a comment about in Canada you are financially responsible for three years, well the length of time here is 10 years, and that is 10 years of employment, not being a house wife
im a young (26) white male living in the usa. i found that i really hate trying to meet a beautiful young girl my age who i can stand to look at as well. a lot of women here in the us are very manly, way they dress,act and talk. its very much a turn off and i can’t even get in to how some women act in public.
The mail-order thing always brings out the left’s latent racism as well. You can usually be treated to hateful attacks about how these cultures produce women who are all trained to be submissive serving drones.
Foreign brides are definitely becoming a viable alternative. People shouldn’t be so quick to judge.
Awesome article. Great “About The Author” bio!
My brother married a mail-order bride from China, and it’s been the worst mistake of his life! I can’t even begin to tell you the things she’s done [including black-mail my poor mom, another story], but she put on a big act before she got the green card and the ring on her finger. Her obsession with money is simply unbelievable, she even admitted she married him just to get rich. She completely ignores her kids [one of whom has severe autism, and she won’t take him to the doctor because it would cost money], sleeps in a different bedroom, refuses to cook or do housework, has major temper tantrums, dresses like a slob, and treats the rest of the family like dirt [and those are her better points, ha!]. He can’t get rid of her because she would take him to the cleaners. Seriously, DO YOUR HOMEWORK before bringing one of these women home.
Well she must make up the 20% failure rate. Send her ass back to Beijing.
Just arrived here by mistake. I know this conversation is old. I am from Russia and I am married to an Irishman. We didn’t meet on the internet but I would not feel any shame if we had. I got so tired of feminist minded people implying that because I am Russian, then I must be a gold-digging person who just wants to use my husband.
I have been married foe eight years now and it is going well. I am not a stay at home wife. I am well educated and work also. I am nobody’s doormat. Any man who assumes that Russian women are submissive is making a big mistake.
However I know the difference between being independent minded and confident, and being brash and bitchy and scornful of men. There is nothing weak or shameful about femininity. Having lived in Western Europe for some time now, I understand completely why men would try to avoid women who have been brought up in a culture of contempt for men and masculinity.
When feminist people assume that if you are from Eastern Europe then you must be a bad person, are they not being racists? I know several Eastern European friends living here and in good marriages. Why Irish feminist minded women are so resentful of them is plain to see. To Irish women I say – If you want to abandon your femininity then that’s your choice, but don’t blame us when men start looking elsewhere.
All I have to say to you is Bravo Madame!
I live in Japan married to a local woman, that’s the main reason I avoided American.
Hatred if men, plain and simple.
i have close connections with the russian community in my city. i know several couples where the bride is a russian woman who moved over here to marry and live with her husband. many of these couples have been married for years and have one or more kids. their marriages are prettty clean as far as i can tell, although i should mention that the husbands are hard-working, fairly successful guys. a good quality russian woman is still a woman, and she wants a guy who has his shit together, just like any other woman.
I had been in a good relationship with an American woman (She was raised in Oahu for majority of her life) for 6 years before things had gone out of place when we were both assigned to work in different states with thousands of miles between us. She was sweet to the core, and I’ll never forget how much she’s done for me. I don’t bother looking for foreign wives anymore because 1) To meet up and arrange all papers is expensive and stressful 2) The cultural barrier is just too much 3) They will not get about 90% of the refrences you use in your jokes, messages, etc.
Overall, foreign women are sweet and a delicacy to simple American cultured men like myself, but seeking them is too much, especially if you work full time with due dates slamming your breaks every second of the day. I’m not going to say all American women are shit, I was raised by a good woman (Wasn’t yours?) and have had great times with women in the states. Bottom line: Do what makes you comfortable. Arguing about which race or country is best will only throw heavy boulders on your shoulders.
Harry, you make me laugh, and you did a brilliant job of smashing the “BS” that the “experts” (who have never been there, and never done that) will say to scare people away from finding love with a foreign bride. The best thing I ever did for myself was to ignore the horror stories of the [female and male] nay sayers, and join a Colombian bride service. I married the woman of my dreams in July of 2003, we are still happily married with 2 kids. And several of the married people who predicted “she is gonna leave him as soon as she gets off the plane,” are now divorced.
Readers, listen to Harry. He has done his homework on this, and he is right! I am living proof. And Harry, I think it is great that you let your Feminist neighbor write your “About the Author” profile.
Doforhappiness, I absolutely loved your definition of ‘experts’!! I totally agree!!! Congrats on your marriage to a lovely wife.
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I worked with 3 other guys today…all 4 of us are American, and live in America: Guy 1-wife Filipina. Guy 2-Wife Indonesian. Guy 3-Wife Brazilian. Me-Wife non-American also. Interesting….. Where I work a LOT of guys have girlfriends/wives from another country, and many of them live in non-US countries. Most of the foreign wives are Asian, with the Philippines being the most popular country.
Beware of Dominican women. They are experts at screwing over men.
I agree with of the comments on here. I’m 38 yrs old 5’6″, 145 lbs and I want to marry someone kind of like my mom and how she raised me and my brother and sister, and yes it was a bit traditional. I’m from the US and I have to say that i am glad that i am not the only one gettong sick of how the culture is here. I have dated younger women and older women from my country and I can say that most are all about what I can do for them, me me me I I I. Last time I checked there are 2 in a relationship so shouldn’t it be, we we we us us us? And I too have had to deal with women that as soon as the fun is gone so is she.
At this point I am thinking that most women and men here do not really know what true love is or means. And the comment is right about the more you give the more they want. And were is it writen that I should pay for their bad judgements and mistakes? I love getting compared to last relationships, six months of dating one woman and she was still comparing me to her ex that abused her, mentally and physically (that’s a story in itself). After our fith month I asked her where she got off comparing me to him when I have never shown her I was like that in any way. Needless to say she could not respond and at that point I told her she has trust and insecurity issues and that they were hers to deal with and not mine, trust me when i say there was a lot more to the whole telationship that lead me to that decision.
Looking back I am glad that I have had these experiences with the women here but enough already.
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If I was financially dependent on my husband and thousands of miles from my impoverished home I would not be so quick to file for divorce either.
The divorce rate might be lower because these women come from a culture where divorce would be a fate worse than death. They might be staying with abusive, controlling men because they’ve been taught that their husband is the ruler of the roost, which is exactly the type of men who go for those women in the first place. Ordinary men who don’t have a problem with a woman being able to think for herself don’t go looking for foreign brides. Only the men who want a servant, someone they can control, someone who will blindly believe everything they are told go looking for foreign brides.
I used to work at a store where one of the Russian brides shopped almost every single day. It was a high end store, and apparently all she did was shop. Her husband was sometimes with her, and he always seemed to be blissed out on Xanax or something. Bless his heart. Hopefully he’s not in bankruptcy by now.
If he’s controlling her how is she going shopping ever day to the point of possibly bankrupting him? Oh look….your bullshit is showing.
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My name is Mrs Mabel mikeline my partner and I have been trying for a baby
for over two years now, We were going to a fertility clinic for about 5 months
before somebody told us to contact this spell caster who is so powerful, We
contacted him at this email; ([email protected]), for him to help us,
then we told him our problem, he told us that we will either conceive in
February 2014 or March 2014,but after two years of trying we were at a point
where we were willing to try anything. And I’m glad we came to PROHET OKPOBO
his pregnancy spell cast put us at ease, and I honestly believe him, and his
gods really helped us as well, I am thankful for all he has done. Contact him
via email: ([email protected]) if you are trying to get a baby or want
your lover back. he has powers to do it, he has done mine you can as well
contact him ([email protected]) To enable you have a taste of his nice
work too.
How
I concieve a baby
My name is Mrs Mabel mikeline my partner and I have been trying for a baby
for over two years now, We were going to a fertility clinic for about 5 months
before somebody told us to contact this spell caster who is so powerful, We
contacted him at this email; ([email protected]), for him to help us,
then we told him our problem, he told us that we will either conceive in
February 2014 or March 2014,but after two years of trying we were at a point
where we were willing to try anything. And I’m glad we came to PROHET OKPOBO
his pregnancy spell cast put us at ease, and I honestly believe him, and his
gods really helped us as well, I am thankful for all he has done. Contact him
via email: ([email protected]) if you are trying to get a baby or want
your lover back. he has powers to do it, he has done mine you can as well
contact him ([email protected]) To enable you have a taste of his nice
work too.
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First at all if you want to find russian(ukrainian) bride you need to find special site with good recommendations (better if someone from your friend used it) for e[ample my friend met his girl friend at mymagicbrides.com . After better have a long time chat and if you think that it’s time to met your girl you have to check all about her (beware scums) adress, passport, citizen etc
Stop wasting time….VK is the Eastern Europe Facebook but better.
I have to say I’ve had discussions with many, many men from around the world concerning women from the United States. I have to admit I was more than a little embarrassed because much of what they had to say about the women of my country was accurate. I’ve visited other countries and had the opportunity to date. I have to agree, the women from my own country are, on average, vile, abusive and discusting. They are of low moral and ethical character and lack a decent education. The law is biased against men and who is initiating the divorce here really points to imbalanced treatment. Women initiate divorce here 75% of the time. If you really want an eye opener, check the statistics with respect to the husband not being the biological father in a marrige. It is sad because most men I know are Absolutly faithful. Sadly, I agree, a man who wants to ensure the best possibility for a successful marrige should avoid a woman from the United States.
Okay,
I don’t have anything against anyone. If you’re able to find love & happiness. It shouldn’t matter when, where or how. Love is a gift that God wants us all to enjoy.
What I don’t understand, is all the put downs? If you haven’t had luck with a person or a certain type of person. That doesn’t mean their evil or bad, it just simply means it wasn’t the right person.
These broad generalization are horrible and wrong (on both sides ).
I implore all young american men to travel and experience the world outside the US. Latvia, Ukraine, South America, Thailand…..wherever. Pick a place that you find interesting and you don’t have to go specifically looking for romance.
What you will come away with is a deep understanding of how low the american female has sunk. Thin beautiful woman are everywhere abroad. They are actually even more attractive when you talk with them, unlike american women.
You will no longer view relations with american women the same. You will see it for what it is and protect your life accordingly.
My sentiments exactly. Thank you
bingo.
As a happily married woman in the US (US Citizen, born and raised abroad), I am a little perplexed at the dislike some on this post have towards cooking and serving their husbands and being submissive. I am a well educated woman but I never saw a contradiction between my education and taking pride in serving my husband or being submissive to him. I love the man for God’s sake. Who am I to serve, if not the person I love? My service is a signal of my love for him. I love to please him and he really appreciates that my world revolves around him. That is what Love is all about!!!
He treats me with kindness and showers a lot of love on me. It’s kind of a positive feedback loop. The more I give, the more I get, but I did not wait to receive before I gave. In love you give first. That is what I believe.
And I am truly confused at why the word “submissive” ruffles some women’s feathers so much in the US. I am proud to say that I am submissive to my husband.
To me, being submissive, just means the following
1) I trust my husband and have deep abiding faith that he cares for my well-being
2) I respect him and his opinions and views
3) I am secure enough in my worth that I am willing to let him lead
4) I am appreciative of what he brings to the table and let him know that frequently
5) I accept him for who he is and don’t try to manipulate, nag or coerce him into getting my way.
6) Just because I am submissive to my husband, does not mean I am submissive to all men! or that I am a door mat!
My husband is not a male chauvinist pig or an abuser. He is gentle, just and always listens to what I have to say. Why is it wrong for me to put my man on a pedestal, when I love him dearly and he works so hard to bring financial security to my family. Why is cooking delicious meals for the father of my daughter or keeping our home clean and inviting so that he loves coming home after a hard day’s work considered “not in my job description” ?
Why is it so hard for some women to let their husband’s lead? Just like there cannot be two US Presidents, or two CEO’s in a company or even two Captains of a ship, a family cannot function only when there is complete consensus between husband and wife. Someone has to make the final call when there is a disagreement and I am perfectly happy to let my husband make that call. It is such a small price to pay for so much happiness in a marriage!!
Here is what I have learnt from my marriage. Men desperately want to keep their women happy. Give them the following first and they will lay down their lives for you.
1) Trust
2) Respect
3) Appreciation
4) Acceptance
5) Loyalty
Are all men deserving of this? Maybe not, but if you marry somebody, try offering all this for a year without expecting anything in return and then see how the man’s attitude changes and see how he treats you. Make the first move and see how men react. I did on the advice of my mother and I am so grateful I took her advice.
Love is about humility, self-sacrifice and service. It is not about pride, selfishness and making demands. I think somewhere in the last 40 years, the West seems to have lost that perspective.
Hugs and Kisses to all
can we clone you?
Im Romanian born and yeah: you E European girls are sluts when you get here. Trash in the old country and trash here. 😉 Yes there are the few that are here for good reasons but sadly? I see wayyyy too many of you “new girls” come to church and ALL YOU ASK ME IS DO I KNOW ANY AMERICAN MEN FOR YOU TO MARRY. Ummm sorry. Been here since I was 2 and you all would not fit in with my friends. Truly am sad to have to admit that there ARE some “true” stereotypes out there about E European girls! A good girl wouldnt ever even be in the same “circle” as someone that even KNOWS about mail order brides. Shes doing her work, being with her family, and meeting men in respectable places. Sorry but I see too many of my former friends wanting to FB friend request me to “meet nice men”. Sickening. Just sickening!
It can seemingly be a complete win-win when it works. My brother is 50 and divorced. He found a 30 year old filipino woman with a tiny version of a supermodel figure (she’s 5′-1″, 85 lbs with very long legs, black hair down to her lower back, and the most beautiful petite arms and hands I’ve ever seen) and she completely adores him. She dresses too sexy for her own good (but doesn’t look cheap, just a bit over-the-top). She is super nice, super respectful, and full of affection. He has gotten down over how so many of his USA female friends have looked down their noses at this girl, but I guess that’s just how the ball bounces.
Nice.
Hey, if a beautiful woman wanted a pass to the United States for a couple of loving years married to me, I’m in! At the end, she can go if she wants. How would THAT be any different than marrying an American woman, except the quality of my two-year marriage would be MUCH more loving having married the woman from overseas??
I find it hilarious how feminists are oh-so-careful not to use demeaning/offensive terms, but then call women in mixed-culture relationships “mail order brides”. If websites to meet people from a specific religious background are okay, why are those to meet people from a specific nationality not okay? I loved this article, it makes some great points, but we should also remember that there’s a lot of stigma concerning mixed-culture relationships in general (even when they don’t involve dating sites.) My relationship didn’t start online and I still get called “mail order bride”…just because I am not American! Nobody cares about the fact that I am not even remotely interested in a Green Card, nobody cares about the fact that we don’t currently live in America and don’t plan to move there in the future. All that matters is that he is American, and how dare I steal an American man from poor American women. Of course they never thought that maybe to him I am more desirable than they are? What did they expect, that throwing away all the values a relationship used to be based on and men would still want them? Being raised in a more traditional culture and being aware of my wifely duties doesn’t make me a mail-order bride, it makes me a preferable companion. In their mind I am either a malicious temptress introducing one of “their” men to a twisted mentality where women are considered slaves, or I am a poor victim, too stupid to understand I am being tricked with the promise of a better life. As if intelligence was an American privilege. I am an educated woman, I am fluent in four languages, and my fault is to want a family. And no, I do not want a family with ANY American man, but with ONE American man.
Thank you for your post.
Sad thing is that single western men past 40 tend to lean towards eastern women. I think they feel disillusioned because the pickings of single women (as they are with men) are pretty slim in that age range. Most of the good ones have already been taken. So guess they look for an easy and quick solution by going after crowds of single women that are motivated to marry right away. I don’t blame them, but sad that they feel so negatively about their own countrywomen.
Hey eastern women, don’t be trashing the western ones. Many of you are likely just as jealous of them as they are of you, whether it be over looks or standard of living. And don’t generalize by thinking they are all fat with poor attitudes. Many western women are beautiful and hold marriage in high regard. I’ve seen just as many trashy eastern women with bad attitudes as I have nice, attractive ones.
Guys, there are some good single western women out there, and I suppose
some good single western men as well, though I haven’t found any yet myself. …I’m slim, sexy, sweet and smart by the way, not the fat, cat woman you stereotype western women as.
you are slim sexy and not fat? What planet did you come from. For the rest of us, why swim upstream when it is just so easy to date from a population of size 2-6 rather than the US where the average 40 something woman is size 16 (yes….16 lol)
Return of Kings… Really?? I should have stopped reading right there, but I will now. What a curious title for a site for males (not men) seeking women, anywhere. “No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.” ― Eleanor Roosevelt, This is My Story
Nonsense.
You are exactly right, the Congress, and women in general are terrified that the American man is no longer interested in THEM, so they try to prevent him from going to find a FAR FAR FAR superior product, IN EVERY WAY. Say what you will, and laugh all you want, American woman are DUDES, they think they are dudes, they walk around like dudes, talk like dudes, act like dudes, they got a cock and balls and they are truly in a bad state. Think not, walk down to the local mall and take a GOOD LOOK AT WHAT YOU SEE, a GOOD HARD LOOK at what you see. Then got on that big ol jet airliner.
The stability of these marriages is not only because of the more conservative wives but also because of the husbands. Western women are not interested in ‘boring’ men who value monogamy and loyalty. These men are sick and tired of the rampant promiscuity in western women so they seek other places to find a stable wife. Western women demonizing and vilifying these men just proves their point and will leave more and more single women in their 30s and 40s bitter as the most financially and mentally stable men get taken away by more feminine, loyal and caring wives from other parts of the world.
I’m done with US women. Most of them prefer ghetto rats that look like they slid out of an elephant’s pollution hole, are ex cons, lazy , and have An IQ of less than 80. Western women as a whole have been brainwashed by the liberal media and feminists, and to me, they are not worth a second look.
A note in passing: the Swiss women example had me thinking about typically Swiss traits. As postcard perfect as the country might be, it is sedate, and rather boring. So excitement is not part of the picture. Also, a foreign man arriving in Switzerland (any foreigner, in fact) is ostracized. For a male, unless arriving with a job offer in hand and a higher education, the going will be rough. So Swiss women will eventually flush the guy because he can’t quickly get a nice, white-collar, decent paying job, and if blue-collar, his income will likely be subpar relative to a Swiss blue-collar worker.
I’ve seriously been pondering the idea that I will end up marrying a foreign bride. I’ve been born and raised in the good ole’ USA. I love my country. Most notably I love the land with all it’s beauty hidden in the mountains, coastline, rivers, forests, and countryside.
Now as for what has transpired in US pop culture, selfie culture, Facebook culture, etc., I cannot take part in the, “Dumb me down while I pretend I’m a star,” movement. Women and men who have fallen for the current state of culture in the US are really to blame for the high divorce rates. How can anyone be loyal and caring when they do as their role model Kardashians and “Rappers” do?
Anyhow, I’m at odds with many aspects of life in the USA. I don’t have Facebook or Instagram. I value traveling out of country over driving a BMW. I value camping on a road trip over staying at a resort hotel. I value relationships over stabbing others in the back to climb the corporate ladder.
Due to my differing outlook, I have very few yet awesome friends who have taught me to rock climb, climb my first snow covered mountain (Mt. Shasta), and who have just taught me what it truly means to live. Television and the blindfold of pop-culture leads to half-living. One may have a pulse. But, most have never found the pulse of a life living outside the shroud of narcissism and the useless consumer lifestyle.
This is the reason I think I will marry outside the USA gene-pool. The rest of the world has a better handle on what it means to live. I recently came back from visiting my friend in Munchen for Wiesn. I met so many beautiful, charming, and smiling ladies while I was there. Their smiles and conversation were so much more authentic than those of American women. I can’t describe what a stark contrast there is in American women and the women of the rest of the world.
In essence, it is not that American women are flawed. It is that our American culture is flawed with rampant narcissism and the idea that material status brings happiness. I have much more in common with people living outside of our narcissistic bubble that is our culture.
Do I find American women attractive? Yes. They are attractive until I get to know them, and I realize that they love the things I find to be the antithesis of my happiness. I find that the love of humanity in their hearts has been replaced by the love of material objects and status. (This has happened to men as well)
I’m 31. I’m 220 pounds. I’m 6’2″. Never married. No baby mama drama. I
workout at a CrossFit box 4-6 times per weeks. I’m an avid outdoor
enthusiast. I have cage dived with White Sharks in Mexico. I have bungee
jumped in Costa Rica. I have sky-dived over the coast of Spain. I have
para-glided in North Lake Tahoe and Lake Atitlan, Guatemala. I’m a
decent guy who loves the thrill of living and natural beauty.
So, this decent guy will continue to have the time of his life as a single bachelor until I’m ready to settle down. When that day comes, I’m sure I’ll be spending months at a time backpacking through Eastern Europe looking for a beautiful lady who shares the same outlook on life. I’m almost 99.0 % sure I won’t find her here in the U.S.
Those types of women are available in the US. But they are such a rarity that most likely, you’ll never get a chance to meet them as every guy wants what you want. After you subtract the portion that never walks farther than the refrigerator, your left with maybe 20% of all US women. In effect, only 20% are fit and healthy enough to consider backpacking through Europe. Then take away the materialistic ones and now your left with maybe 5%. They are in such demand it will take a miracle to find an available one left. My advice is look elsewhere. China is chock full of beautiful, attractive women, most are size 2 or 4 and fit as can be. They have great values and know how to eat and live healthy. Don’t waste your time with the “I can eat anything I like crowd”.
The reality behind the stats is all about expectation. Mail order brides dont need to be in “love” Its an arrangement where needs on both sides are met which ironically is the formula for any successful pairing . Love and sexual attraction certainly doesn’t guarantee that as the Western divorce stats clearly suggest. Arranged marriages for example are also statistically more successful as well. Again less entitlement, different expectations.
These Russian women or indeed any mail order bride , I don’t believe are marrying for “love” in the traditional sense of the word, and of course all the expectation and sense of entitlement that goes with love and that is why I think these arrangements work.
I think Westerners, especially Western women confuse this type of arrangement with exploitation for money or a green card because they cannot understand the cultural differences in relationship expectation. A nerdy , socially inept balding overweight 50 year old Western man who lives alone in a tiny apartment, cashing in his life savings to marrying a 20 year old smoking hot Russian woman surely must equate to exploitation for monetary gain or green card gain on her part right? Anything else is unfathomable to the choosy romantic modern woman who wouldn’t give our nerdy 50 year old man the time day. Even if she herself was over 50 years old, obese and on minimal wage.
Sure mail order brides scam Western men, it happens often, but it also doesn’t happen and stats suggest in far greater numbers than it does.
In my opinion she is simply happy with him being nice to her and offering some security and in return she stays as his traditional compliant , genuinely grateful , affectionate wife. Content to withold her end of the bargain in return for her better life, happy to be in like than in love . Does she quiver under his pudgy wrinkly handed touch? Probably not. But I suspect he doesn’t need her too and she doesn’t need it either, he is content that she says yes and doesn’t use sex as a weapon to gain control.
Men’s needs are very simple actually and if Western women would ever get over their chronic and often at times incongruous narcissism and figure this out or indeed consider men’s needs at all , everyone would be happier , ironically including western women who coincidently are not happy with the way its going with men either and men would certainly not need to be considering an overseas brides in the first place.
Sure we western women have advanced, sure we have a right to equality and all those expectations , sure we can demand certain things in our relationships but if the needs and wants of the men we are having the relationships with haven’t changed that much or at least are not changing at the same rate or worst still the men are covertly or openly disliking their entitled, domineering wives , then we should not be surprised if they stop marrying us, or divorce us or go to another culture or country to find the kind of woman western women used to be.
It might just be if we look at our divorce rate or more worringly our marriage rate that we can’t have it both ways and men are hardwired to want what they want regardless of how much women continue to modernize.
I am a Western woman BTW Passive , desperate, down trodden , exploited, brainwashed, shrinking violet? Nope. Ex military officer, educated , extrovert, confident and certainly not physically unattractive. Happily married too because I choose to use all the above not to find someone to worship my self assumed greatness but instead I use it to please him , never ever saying no.. I guess I just think Western women are getting it all wrong and in grave danger of making misandry the modern woman default setting
That cannot end well for either side.
Alot of good points here are true. For me and every guy I know,marriage to American females has been a nightmare from hell. Ive heard countless stories first hand of the way their wives treated them with contempt and disrespect. Then when it went into divorce the extreme levels of false allegations,theft and alienation of children from their fathers was nearly unbearable. Going to war isn’t the only thing causing PTSD and marriage to American women absolutely causes this condition to the same level. After my experiences in domestic hell on Earth I stayed single for 16 years. Then I heard about the idea of a foreign wife. I began an intensive study and honed in on Ukrainian ladies. I went through a learning process of how to identify the scam web sites and scamming ladies from the sincere ones. To make a long story short,I made three trips to Ukraine and one to Russia and finally met a Ukrainian lady I am now married to. Tomorrow we go in for her green card interview actually. We have had our disagreements and there’s been some misunderstandings and stressful moments,but your going to have that for a period of time with cultural differences etc. That being said, my Ukrainian wife and Ukrainian women have American women beat hands down! American women just dont compare. How I ever tolerated the nasty foul behavior of American women and getting treated with contempt for so long I dont know. I would have dumped them years ago but I just didnt know the option existed. I have since met 6 or 7 guys married to Ukrainians,Russians and one to a Moldovan. They all have similar stories. Most importantly is for men to Avoid American women like the Ebola virus!
The problem with American women is, when dating, they push and push to get married. Then after 10 years, they are 50 lb heavier and demanding as hell. The rest of your life is bending over for their every whim and sleeping with a fat slob. Why bother.
Theres quite a bit of truth in this article in regards to foreign brides – I have two cousins that have married a thai and a chinese girl both of their marriages are long term both have produced healthy decent kids
Hey Andrew, This seemed like a nice safe thread to contact you on. Can you please help me get in contact with the Melbourne meetup group. I wanted to attend anonymously, but looks like i cant do that now. I turned down a $350 job to attend on Saturday. I don’t want that to be for nothing. intersted in even a drink or 2 with some sane/redpill/rational/real people. my email is [email protected]
I’ve got no idea about the Melbourne meetup have you contacted this site for direct acess
I actually had the attention of a Moldovan woman right before I got married. I should have focused on the Moldovan and stayed away from the american skank. hindsight is 20/20. I’m going to try foreign women again after my divorce is final.
Advice from an Asian woman (author unknown):
I am not white, but I am a woman. (Clears throat.) White women, prepare for
news you’re not going to be comfortable hearing. White men have every right to
dislike you. Here is why. The good news is, you can change. However,
historically, you have refused to. Here is that bad news.
– You’re shrill. White women seize, nag, argue, one-up, compete with their
men, complain, bitch and (there’s no other word for it) shrill. Your faces get
pinched and red like babies’ and you emit a high noise while angrily complaining
that sends up every alarm in the male nervous system. Your voices are an
unnatural treble that grates and annoys, and it’s what the gay male
“gaccent” is based on: “ditty ditty ditty derrr, Pinterest, I’m
not happy, I Want… ditty ditty ditty derr, wedding registry, bridal dress,
I’m not thin enough, I Want…” Men hate this shit. Cut it out. You’re
scaring them.
– You’re secretly more racist than white men are. White women are mean. I
won’t go into this. But you know what I’m talking about. A good example is The
Stare. The one you point at any Asian woman when she walks into (a) an upscale
store Only White Women are supposed to shop in, (b) an upscale restaurant Only
White Women are supposed to dine in, or (c) a job you are the hiring force and
you and your identical friends don’t want her to be in because all the white
guys in the office there, according to all of you in emails and drunk convos
you think we don’t ever read or overhear, will dump you and want us. Which
leads me to,
– You’re insecure as fuck. Swallow a grape and you’re on a scale. I can hear
you all saying it now: but white males want us to be skinny! Our white men
want… want… want… yeah men will say they want this or that but you white
women BELIEVE that. You seem young in development and do not understand what
Asian girls know: men say a whole lotta shit. That doesn’t make it true. Fact
is, white men like their women with curves. This does not mean fat. Yet, tell a
white woman curves are desired she’ll go berserk on french fries and mayonnaise
and wind up the size of a whale, then date a black guy. Which brings me to,
– You lack irony.
How can you criticize white men for wanting us when all of you are having
sex with African-American men and bragging about it and throwing in your white
men’s faces? Not that dating black is a terrible thing, it just makes you a
hypocrite. You’re just mad you’re not the Princess anymore. Which brings me to,
– You all think you’re some goddamn Princess. Basic facts, ladies: the
princess is the daughter of the King. Was your father a king? Did he behave and
treat women in his kingdom as a king? Did he change entire landscapes, invent
new things, alter his century? No?
Then what besides Oprah kissing your flat asses exactly makes you bitches a
princess? Which brings me to,
– You are materialistic, shallow, empty-headed and vain. You all lurk on
Pinterest lusting after bridal gowns, Audrey Hepburn LBDs, puppies and cake,
and ladies, that’s the sum of your interests. Whereas the average Asian girl
has majored in medicine or math, or in symphonic music theory, but at 5:01
removes the business suit, puts on her pearls and high heels and is every inch
a LADY when her man appears. And nor are we submissive. We rule and white men
love it. Many white men secretly want to submit but there is an art to it.
White women like humiliating and emasculating white men. You’re masculine and
you’re bullies. You think you in fact are the man and you seem to want phantom
penises. Which leads us to, finally, this last and important point:
– White women are too barbarian and too masculine. You have the manners of
mules; you charge in instead of enter, you yell instead of suggest, you
dominate instead of subvert, you crash into instead of allow the door to be
opened for you, you rage and roar and wanna be “tuff”, most of you
are secretly lesbian and you LIVE for the gym where you can do “tuff”
things like men and work the potatoes and mayonnaise off, and when this doesn’t
work you run off the toilet, stick a finger down your throat and barf up lunch.
Do you really think your white men don’t see you? Do you think the whole world
is under your bullshit spell? Now let me calm down and try to say this
gently…
Basically your dark karma has caught up to you women and you do not like it.
For centuries you have ruled the mind and spirit of white man, directing him to
conquer lands, enslave other peoples, and bring back gold and jewels, and it
was all performed by him for the gift of your smile. But your smile is a
mirage. It vanishes as soon as he brings home the bone. You sulk, then sigh,
then whisper, “I do not know what is wrong with me… I am just not
happy… I need to go find myself…” Well this is 2015 and white men are
tired of it. They have taken your own advice: just do you. White men are doing
white men for a change instead of constantly working their hearts expired to
serve you and your chimerical, melt in the sunshine desires. I applaud them for
it, although they themselves have much to work on. For one thing they are too
feminine and arrogant. This allowed white woman to charge in and play the man,
as she secretly has, tormenting women of color for centuries behind closed
doors. But white men are over it, babe. It’s a new day.
You can’t afford to act like you’re everything to every man. The fact is
white women age like brie: you have a brief, dulcet spring, between age 14 and
19, in which you’re Every Man’s Sad Eternal Lying Fantasy, but ladies, the
moment you hit 20, you age instantly to how the rest of us look at 40, and the
lines, sagging and weariness and bitchiness increase exponentially from there.
You’d do well to develop inner beauty because your outer one lies and is there
but for a single May and is dead GONE by June.
White men know this.
Plus you’re out to show them up and get vengeance on them with every black
tom, dick and harry in the book. Why shouldn’t they flee to us Asian women?
Learn from this instead of attacking it and you may go a long way, and
someday even repair the damage.
And yes, I am Asian.
You know one of the reasons I decided to go foreign is because I was tired of being with a person and all my friends saying that they were with them as well!
This is is just another form of human trafficking. Prostitution seems to be the #1 profession for women in third world countries. Women trading their vaginas like a cheap purse for citizenship and money is low class and just plain old tacky. I know someone who married someone from Bangkok and she started going to school after a failed business attempt and failure to pay taxes to the IRS. He paid her taxes, her credit cards, and even her new car off. She never wanted kids, just to shop and buy tacky designer junk that ends up at the Goodwill or at the dumps in a short period of time. She has since moved out to live at a house she claims with two other women that nobody is allowed to meet or know the location including her husband, family, and friends. Suddenly she wants him to take her on an all expenses paid trip back to the old country at the end if the year. I hope she doesn’t push him off a cliff or into a swamp with crocodiles to collect a life insurance policy. I highly doubt that Thailand would do a thorough investigation on an American man’s homicide. Not to mention possess the forensic science skills to get a real conviction. He truly loves her and believes in her. Nobody else does anymore. We used to. We wrote letters of recommendation to immigration on her behalf validating her relationship. My advice to anyone hooking up with a gold digging Asian woman is drop tail and run like hell! You are better off hiring a prostitute. You will get the same raw deal. A woman with no sense of humor, a hollow soul, and blank eyes like a great white shark.
‘I know someone who married someone from….’ LOLs.
again so wrong. You really are insecure aren’t you. Well you should be. You’ll never measure up to an intelligent attractive and kind woman that can be found in other parts of the world. I am sure abuses happen, but they happen everyday in US based marriages too. It’s not always about sex with men. I am engaged to a woman from China. 12 year old son, very family oriented and a 4 year finance degree to boot. She has a nice life over there. In fact I told her, her life in China is as good as the US (except the air pollution). She gets it. I am sure there are some bad marriages from overseas and some perverts from the US that chase these girls. But the generalizations you make are not at all true. And by the way, I two friends with foriegn brides. One from Korea, one from the Philippines. Their marriages are like any other you might find. I chose China because I wanted someone that did NOT have a financial reason to come over. She is the most kind gentle and realistic woman I have ever met. I came from a 25 year marriage to an American woman. She was fine, we just drifted apart. STOP with the BS, it’s making you look bad. (BTW, the Chinese know how to eat right, 5’4″ and 103lb….lol)
Do mail order bride really exist?
The answer is Yes, and No, it really depends on your definition of mail order brides.
The historical roots of the mail-order bride industry that emerged in the 1800s in the American frontier: European American men found financial success in the migration West, but the one thing that was missing was the company of a wife. Very few women lived there at this time, so it was hard for these men to settle down and start a family. They attempted to attract women living back East; the men wrote letters to churches and published personal advertisements in magazines and newspapers. In return, the women would write to the men and send them photographs of themselves. Courtship was conducted by letter, until a woman agreed to marry a man she had never met.[9] Many women wanted to escape their present way of living, gain financial security and see what life on the frontier could offer them. Most of these women were single, but some were widows, divorcees or runaways.
During most of the 20 century, the mail order bride continued with the main method of women putting themselves in catalogs. Then men would view the women’s profile, then for a fee order the women address. These became the main order bride companies business method in the 20 the century, with the fall of the Soviet union and cheap airfares, these companies spread from Asian to Eastern Europe, mainly now the Ukraine
Today most women do not leave their countries to escape poverty but to seek a man they believe will be a good husband and provider, that is family orientated and that looks at women with more respect than in many countries around the world.
With the advent of the intent, the mail order bride industry boomed into a billion dollar industry, Now with a few pictures and website, anyone could be in the mail order bride business. With hundreds of ma and pop shops opening over the last two decade, Most who were clients of one of the three original mail order bride companies, A Foreign Affair (AFA), Anastasia and EC, The owner of ForeignLadies.com met his wife while working on a tour from loveme.com, A Foreign affair still today in the largest in the industry, each week they offer tours to one of a dozen countries China to Peru and everywhere in between. The industry grew so fast in 1998, Senator Cantwell of Washington state introduces legislation to regulate the mail order bride industry. and a new law Called: “International Marriage Brokers Act” or IMBRA was born. With stiff regulations, many companies like Anastasia moved from Bride business to Fantasy Chat.
Although the industry strongly objects to the term mail order brides, saying there is no difference if man in New York courting a woman from California through match.com, then courting a woman from Russia. Critics like the Terra Justice Center has a different out look, saying these men take advantage of women oversea. But studies have contradicted these statement and show abuse is actually lower in these marriages. See “International Marriages – A Report to Congress”
So why do thousands of women join these site: Elena Kosalova of the Ukraine says, “Men here are not serious about family, they expect women to stay home while they go out each night with their friends and drink. I want a man who s serious, mature and who wants to be with his wife and family. I have met Americans in the past and they seem more reliable and mature.” Elena rejects the idea she is a “Mail Order Bride”
Why do men seek a mail order bride: James Goodwin, 43 of South Carolina says, ” I meet women here all the time, but I just can not find the values I am looking for.. I have dated here for more than 20 years, After three days in Kiev, I was shock at how many beautiful women I met that I would consider marrying, now I am just trying to reduce my options and pick the right one. It truly is the fastest way to find a beautiful sincere women.
So what is the cost, the cost can range greatly from site to site and from type of service, AFA or loveme.com offers everything from letter writing, tours and executive services for the rich and famous. As little as $12 to as much as $25,000. The owner John Adams say’s the best way is just go over and meet then women, avoid letters and never waste money on expensive chat. You can meet up to 1000 beautiful women in just 10 days, it will be the greatest vacation of your life. Joe Nail of ForeignLadies.com, has stayed with the traditional Letter Writing, Each letter is $7.50 and but say they do plan on offer some limited chat option.
Many sites like,foreignwomen.com, PhilippineSinges.com, and UkraineSsingles.com, that offer simple unlimited membership for $29 per month. These type of site also target pacific regions, like Asia, Latin America or Eastern Europe.
There is also a site for mail order grooms; SingleMenOnline.com, that caters to men publishing their photos in hopes to meet an American Bride.
James Dunn, who is a ghost writer for review sites says “You get what you pay for. Membership sites to do not screen the members at all. so you never know who you really are writing, The big boys require the women to apply in person in one of their local offices. The companies that offer group tours will introduce you to hundreds of beautiful women, for the cost of $1000 to $3000 depending on location, about the same you would pay for any vacation. Several companies also do individual tours these can range from $750 to $1500, But only arrange one to one introductions, Always make sure they are biased in the USA or EU, Most of the complaints come from small agencies that are desperate and need to make as much as they can from you. Just a note, if the company is based in an a foreign country you will have no recourse if they do not follow through.
So do mail order brides exist, If you belive a if a woman is a mail order bride if she lives in another county then Yes, But if you believe it just another dating option like any on-line dating site, matchmaker or dating service, than No. . It really seems like a doubled standard in the world, If a women meets a man in Italy or France, then oh that is so romantic, but if a man meets a women in Philippines, than …
Some os us want to find a parther from a different country, are bored of our own kind! I can personally vouch for expatmeet.com try it out, loads of singles both expats and locals…nice!
Ultimately, to each his own, is what I say.
Do mail order bride really exist?
The answer is Yes, and No, it really depends on your definition of mail order brides.
The historical roots of the mail-order bride industry that emerged in the 1800s in the American frontier: European American men found financial success in the migration West, but the one thing that was missing was the company of a wife. Very few women lived there at this time, so it was hard for these men to settle down and start a family. They attempted to attract women living back East; the men wrote letters to churches and published personal advertisements in magazines and newspapers. In return, the women would write to the men and send them photographs of themselves. Courtship was conducted by letter, until a woman agreed to marry a man she had never met.[9] Many women wanted to escape their present way of living, gain financial security and see what life on the frontier could offer them. Most of these women were single, but some were widows, divorcees or runaways.
During most of the 20 century, the mail order bride continued with the main method of women putting themselves in catalogs. Then men would view the women’s profile, then for a fee order the women address. These became the main order bride companies business method in the 20 the century, with the fall of the Soviet union and cheap airfares, these companies spread from Asian to Eastern Europe, mainly now the Ukraine
Today most women do not leave their countries to escape poverty but to seek a man they believe will be a good husband and provider, that is family orientated and that looks at women with more respect than in many countries around the world.
With the advent of the intent, the mail order bride industry boomed into a billion dollar industry, Now with a few pictures and website, anyone could be in the mail order bride business. With hundreds of ma and pop shops opening over the last two decade, Most who were clients of one of the three original mail order bride companies, A Foreign Affair (AFA), Anastasia and EC, The owner of ForeignLadies.com met his wife while working on a tour from loveme.com, A Foreign affair still today in the largest in the industry, each week they offer tours to one of a dozen countries China to Peru and everywhere in between. The industry grew so fast in 1998, Senator Cantwell of Washington state introduces legislation to regulate the mail order bride industry. and a new law Called: “International Marriage Brokers Act” or IMBRA was born. With stiff regulations, many companies like Anastasia moved from Bride business to Fantasy Chat.
Although the industry strongly objects to the term mail order brides, saying there is no difference if man in New York courting a woman from California through match.com, then courting a woman from Russia. Critics like the Terra Justice Center has a different out look, saying these men take advantage of women oversea. But studies have contradicted these statement and show abuse is actually lower in these marriages. See “International Marriages – A Report to Congress”
So why do thousands of women join these site: Elena Kosalova of the Ukraine says, “Men here are not serious about family, they expect women to stay home while they go out each night with their friends and drink. I want a man who s serious, mature and who wants to be with his wife and family. I have met Americans in the past and they seem more reliable and mature.” Elena rejects the idea she is a “Mail Order Bride”
Why do men seek a mail order bride: James Goodwin, 43 of South Carolina says, ” I meet women here all the time, but I just can not find the values I am looking for.. I have dated here for more than 20 years, After three days in Kiev, I was shock at how many beautiful women I met that I would consider marrying, now I am just trying to reduce my options and pick the right one. It truly is the fastest way to find a beautiful sincere women.
So what is the cost, the cost can range greatly from site to site and from type of service, AFA or loveme.com offers everything from letter writing, tours and executive services for the rich and famous. As little as $12 to as much as $25,000. The owner John Adams say’s the best way is just go over and meet then women, avoid letters and never waste money on expensive chat. You can meet up to 1000 beautiful women in just 10 days, it will be the greatest vacation of your life. Joe Nail of ForeignLadies.com, has stayed with the traditional Letter Writing, Each letter is $7.50 and but say they do plan on offer some limited chat option.
Many sites like,foreignwomen.com, PhilippineSinges.com, and UkraineSsingles.com, that offer simple unlimited membership for $29 per month. These type of site also target pacific regions, like Asia, Latin America or Eastern Europe.
There is also a site for mail order grooms; SingleMenOnline.com, that caters to men publishing their photos in hopes to meet an American Bride.
James Dunn, who is a ghost writer for review sites says “You get what you pay for. Membership sites to do not screen the members at all. so you never know who you really are writing, The big boys require the women to apply in person in one of their local offices. The companies that offer group tours will introduce you to hundreds of beautiful women, for the cost of $1000 to $3000 depending on location, about the same you would pay for any vacation. Several companies also do individual tours these can range from $750 to $1500, But only arrange one to one introductions, Always make sure they are biased in the USA or EU, Most of the complaints come from small agencies that are desperate and need to make as much as they can from you. Just a note, if the company is based in an a foreign country you will have no recourse if they do not follow through.
So do mail order brides exist, If you belive a if a woman is a mail order bride if she lives in another county then Yes, But if you believe it just another dating option like any on-line dating site, matchmaker or dating service, than No. . It really seems like a doubled standard in the world, If a women meets a man in Italy or France, then oh that is so romantic, but if a man meets a women in Philippines, than ….
Do mail order bride really exist?
The answer is Yes, and No, it really depends on your
definition of mail order brides.
The historical roots of the mail-order bride industry
that emerged in the 1800s in the American frontier:
European American men found financial success in the
migration West, but the one thing that was missing
was the company of a wife. Very few women lived there
at this time, so it was hard for these men to settle
down and start a family. They attempted to attract
women living back East; the men wrote letters to
churches and published personal advertisements in
magazines and newspapers. In return, the women would
write to the men and send them photographs of
themselves. Courtship was conducted by letter, until
a woman agreed to marry a man she had never met.[9]
Many women wanted to escape their present way of
living, gain financial security and see what life on
the frontier could offer them. Most of these women
were single, but some were widows, divorcees or
runaways.
During most of the 20 century, the mail order bride
continued with the main method of women putting
themselves in catalogs. Then men would view the
women’s profile, then for a fee order the women
address. These became the main order bride companies
business method in the 20 the century, with the fall
of the Soviet union and cheap airfares, these
companies spread from Asian to Eastern Europe,
mainly now the Ukraine
Today most women do not leave their countries to
escape poverty but to seek a man they believe will be
a good husband and provider, that is family
orientated and that looks at women with more respect
than in many countries around the world.
With the advent of the intent, the mail order bride
industry boomed into a billion dollar industry, Now
with a few pictures and website, anyone could be in
the mail order bride business. With hundreds of ma
and pop shops opening over the last two decade, Most
who were clients of one of the three original mail
order bride companies, A Foreign Affair (AFA),
Anastasia and EC, The owner of ForeignLadies.com
met his wife while working on a tour from
loveme.com, A Foreign affair still today in the
largest in the industry, each week they offer tours
to one of a dozen countries China to Peru and
everywhere in between. The industry grew so fast in
1998, Senator Cantwell of Washington state
introduces legislation to regulate the mail order
bride industry. and a new law Called:
“International Marriage Brokers Act” or IMBRA was
born. With stiff regulations, many companies like
Anastasia moved from Bride business to Fantasy Chat.
Although the industry strongly objects to the term
mail order brides, saying there is no difference if
man in New York courting a woman from California
through match.com, then courting a woman from Russia.
Critics like the Terra Justice Center has a
different out look, saying these men take advantage
of women oversea. But studies have contradicted these
statement and show abuse is actually lower in these
marriages. See “International Marriages – A Report to
Congress”
So why do thousands of women join these site: Elena
Kosalova of the Ukraine says, “Men here are not
serious about family, they expect women to stay home
while they go out each night with their friends and
drink. I want a man who s serious, mature and who
wants to be with his wife and family. I have met
Americans in the past and they seem more reliable and
mature.” Elena rejects the idea she is a “Mail
Order Bride”
Why do men seek a mail order bride: James Goodwin,
43 of South Carolina says, ” I meet women here all
the time, but I just can not find the values I am
looking for.. I have dated here for more than 20
years, After three days in Kiev, I was shock at how
many beautiful women I met that I would consider
marrying, now I am just trying to reduce my options
and pick the right one. It truly is the fastest way
to find a beautiful sincere women.
So what is the cost, the cost can range greatly from
site to site and from type of service, AFA or
loveme.com offers everything from letter writing,
tours and executive services for the rich and famous.
As little as $12 to as much as $25,000. The owner
John Adams say’s the best way is just go over and
meet then women, avoid letters and never waste money
on expensive chat. You can meet up to 1000 beautiful
women in just 10 days, it will be the greatest
vacation of your life. Joe Nail of ForeignLadies.com,
has stayed with the traditional Letter Writing, Each
letter is $7.50 and but say they do plan on offer
some limited chat option.
Many sites like,foreignwomen.com,
PhilippineSinges.com, and UkraineSsingles.com, that
offer simple unlimited membership for $29 per month.
These type of site also target pacific regions, like
Asia, Latin America or Eastern Europe.
There is also a site for mail order grooms;
SingleMenOnline.com, that caters to men publishing
their photos in hopes to meet an American Bride.
James Dunn, who is a ghost writer for review sites
says “You get what you pay for. Membership sites to
do not screen the members at all. so you never know
who you really are writing, The big boys require
the women to apply in person in one of their local
offices. The companies that offer group tours will
introduce you to hundreds of beautiful women, for
the cost of $1000 to $3000 depending on location,
about the same you would pay for any vacation.
Several companies also do individual tours these can
range from $750 to $1500, But only arrange one to one
introductions, Always make sure they are biased in
the USA or EU, Most of the complaints come from
small agencies that are desperate and need to make as
much as they can from you. Just a note, if the
company is based in an a foreign country you will
have no recourse if they do not follow through.
So do mail order brides exist, If you belive a if a
woman is a mail order bride if she lives in another
county then Yes, But if you believe it just another
dating option like any on-line dating site,
matchmaker or dating service, than No. . It really
seems like a doubled standard in the world, If a
women meets a man in Italy or France, then oh that
is so romantic, but if a man meets a women in
Philippines, than ….
I think the reason these relationships are so successful is because there is a frank honesty. Your wants are stated from the get go. If people could be this honest with their peers in the Western dating scene I doubt the divorce rate would be as high because you would both have a common goal to work towards, that will unity you and pull you through the difficult times. Instead of “hey I find you attractive and fun lets date and get married” But we won’t in the west we won’t because the fear of rejection is all to real, and scary possibility. Which is absurd that is how you build as a person face rejection, and challenges head on push through the uncomfortable and be something a bit different and hopefully better on the other side. I have nothing against mail order-brides I thought of becoming one myself seeing as I want a traditional family setting and I don’t believe the West is somewhere I can do that. Partners are all to wishy-washy or unable to be the father parental figure. You can’t ask for that as a woman either because that makes you a “gold digger” As much as you like to preach that woman have become whores in the west, men in the West are children who don’t know what they want, or if the do refuse to work for it. I would be more than happy to fill the position of a traditional wife with feminine chores, being a stay at home mom. No one in the dating market who can support a family wants that.
Met my asian wife over the internet. Been married 10 years. Couldn’t be happier.
good for you.
you think its somehow a reflection that you would rather marry some absolute stranger who you perceive as more submissive than get to know a woman and look for a mutually rewarding relationship based upon genuine chemistry. What is funnier is that you western losers who have let capitalist ideas of ‘masculinity’ dictate their relationship with women think the marriage success rate is because you’re irresitable- if you are a woman who is sadly having to resort to marry a stranger to support yourself, the low divorce rate stems from a fear of losing what you have ultimatley sacraficed your life as you know it? It is not something to brag about that literal catalogue brides marriages last longer than genuine and organic relationships. Just highlights how shallow you are as an individual. Imagine being so self obsessed that you view the fact a woman who barely knows you is more likely to remain married to you than someone wo knows you as an individual, as a fucking positive? but im glad you do it, its much easier now the selfish cunts who prioritise male power fantasy domination to the idea of having a compagnion make themselves immediatley obvious.
You kiss your wife with a potty-mouth like that?
“stranger”? WTF are you talking about. I met my fiance almost a year ago. We take twice a day by text and skype 1-2 times a week and I have been over there to visit. I know her as well as any woman I would meet over here. We don’t open a catalog and point….lol. This is the kind of mis-information out there that causes US women to automatically assume this is bad. And BTW, I am divorced from a 25 year marriage to an American woman. I know the ups and downs of marriage. I just got fed up of the “i don’t need you” of American woman.
western ‘men’ who cannot appreciate the beauty of feeling a female orgasm will always make up random ‘theories’ to justify how bad they are in bed- when willl they just admit that there is more to life than the need to prove how ‘masculine’ one is to another. If me prioritising a female pleasure more than mine, tell me how im a cuck when im making my girlfriend shudder with pleasure. But beyond that, you must be thick to only see womans as portals of pleasure. Only stupid guys want stupid girls
I’ve been married to an Asian woman for 39 years. There were some very hard times (as in many marriages), and there are clearly cultural issues, and racial issues (children of mixed race). These are not so much a problem today, as they were when we married. Language can be a real issue, and asian cultures are very different than white, anglo-saxon. All that aside, there are great strengths in asian cultures that add immensely to family and marriage relationships. I wouldn’t trade my wife for 2 Americans. Her commitment to family, her strengths as a mother, and her deep, conservative values are hard to find.
Hello, I am seeking some help in finding a traditional, conservative, non-western wife. If you have had success in doing so, please give me some advice.
I have a lot to offer the right girl: robust finances, in extremely good shape physically and mentally, I am in my late 30’s and would be an excellent husband and father.
If you have any good advice on how to go about this please let me know, thanks.
email me. [email protected]. I am in the process of marrying a woman from China. I can help you. I can gaurantee you will be pleasantly surprised.
American men have also regressed in having any accountability in a relationship. They want a bride who not only has a college degree that she or her parents has paid for; they want someone with top credit, and a really good paying job. On the flip-side, they also want someone who is home with their children costing them no money in daycare. If they are in daycare, they give their American wife GRIEF about not being there for the kids. Never mind that getting the kids dressed and ready everyday, making their lunches, driving to and from school and extra curricular activities, and homework falls upon the wife not the husband 90% of the time. She is passed up for promotions and pay raises at work because she has family obligations/values which her husband condemns her for. House cleaning and gardening falls under the wife’s duties aside from all the above while hubby spends his days off drinking beer and watching sports in the man cave with his buddies. Lots of American men have secret addictions…booze, drugs, and sex. Married American men think they can go to bachelor parties and fool around with the strippers because it is our tacky non culture, lack of moral accountability that promotes this filthy crap. Know this ladies that when your husbands do, the best man in the wedding party gets a B.J.! The internet has opened up a whole new form of prostitution. A foreigner that does not have a command of the English language will turn a blind eye for her citizenship paperwork to come through first before leaving that kind of scumbag. American women might leave a creep like that a bit earlier than a foreign bride will because they can actually quickly translate the neglect and abuse intelligently (unless they are learning disabled) into what it truly is: mental judo. So all of you American men dishing on American women not living up to your standards, you need to look in the mirror. Are you George Clooney? Probably not. Are you built like Arnold Schwarzenegger or John Holmes? No. Do you hold a PhD and are bringing in six figures? I would guess not. Are you living a morally clean life? My guess would be not, if you are trolling for someone that does not speak your language. So stop judging your American wife or girlfriend that left you for the reasons I mentioned above. You need to work on yourselves and cleaning up your moral standards and your family values and stop blaming women for your problems. That is not gentleman like.
Very excellent work there, thank you so much for crunching the numbers.
Great fact finding, this is the kind of stuff that facilitates real change.
This is interesting, the part about introverted men, well, I can relate very well to the linear description of being the mildly autistic ginger introvert! quite shy, not aggressive.
IN actual fact, I have experienced a handful of years of bullying by women growing up as a teenage boy years ago, and I have also been called ugly, weirdo, freak, horrible and disgusting on so many occasions by uk women. Even when I go out dancing, I get far more respect from foreign women, even in the uk. I go to a social dance event and most women hate my guts instantly. I’ve experienced women even try to physically pick fights with me for the fact that I am closer to a choreography type dancer than the average person with a little bit of a quirkiness about me.
The fact is, other than being mildly autistic, it is uk women and bully type people in general (both genders have bullied me) that have caused me to pretty much give up where I live and to be even more introverted now than ever. I feel if it came down to the crunch, eastern European would probably be a better idea for me perhaps over the long term basis but I’m now 39 in years, I’m viewed as subhuman by uk women through&through but most of this has been due to my looks and autism and I wasn’t so shy before age 14 – when the bullying really began to sky rocket.
From my perspective in concluding, can anyone blame quieter natured, and less aggressive men for taking the alternate route? when they may even be viewed as ugly by almost all women on their side of the pond? I certainly don’t… Many of us people have feelings and want to be loved and wanted, I know I do – but by just 1 special person who will make me feel loved and wanted, someone who is healthy, cares for her health, has a warm femininity going for her – I don’t ask for a model, just a kind homely 7/10 I will settle for. Someone who maintains some order of fitness, not someone who sees me as cancerously ugly. I’m facially nothing to look at sadly, i’m I do try to maintain fitness and health however. (I refuse to let myself go out of shape and have that typical middle age spread that most endure. I will maintain my dancer body for as long as I possibly can!)… anyway, I digress, the perspective of a man who shouldn’t feel in danger to express his dancing passion, the uk to me for the most part, really is a cesspit.
Men are to stupid to know they are just being used for their money and green card. I’m so glad I live in the west. Where can be a proud single woman. Roosh v is just and ugly disgusting loser.