John The Baptist Syndrome

There’s been a few articles here at ROK lately that got several of our readers all worked up. One of them was written by me, where I advised men not to go all red pill at work and lose their jobs, and the other was by bacon regarding his vasectomy.

I’m not going to write a thesis in defense of either of these two articles, because they can stand (or fall) on their own merit. But what I will do is discuss the two primary philosophies that abound in the manosphere. The primary difference between the two philosophies is that one can be achieved through personal commitment, while the other requires external validation, cooperation, and commitment from those who would not benefit from validating, cooperating, and committing.

If you follow me on twitter, you’ll see that my tagline says “Don’t just enjoy the decline. Facilitate it.” That’s my basic philosophy in life, and the fundamental platform for all of my writings. I believe that society is too far gone to be brought back, and without a complete raze and rebuild brought on by a complete social revolution, your sons and your son’s sons will be dealing with this crap 100 years from now.

To this end, instead of focusing on fighting the ills of feminism and liberal hogwash in society, I fight off the ills of feminism and liberal hogwash in my life. Sometimes the best way to rid my station of external fem and lib forces (redundant) is to be an asshole and call it like I see it, and sometimes it’s to be quiet and manipulate the situation behind the scenes. It’s often a blend of the two, and occasionally I find it best to just simply walk away altogether. Regardless, whichever path meets my goal is the path I choose, and all paths lead to personal freedom with a side of sweet, sweet poosy.

Super Friends

I call this More Awesome than a Charming and Devastatingly Handsome Alpha Nuclear Bomb Wrapped in all the Super Friends Combined Syndrome.

This path isn’t for everyone, and I recognize that. In order to pull this off, you need to have charisma, tacit intelligence, and enough social insight to recognize and maximize the difference between friendships, relationships and partnerships while simultaneously knowing how to play organized society off of institutionalized society. Not many men can do this, and not all of those who can do it well. It’s more of a mindset and philosophy than a list of actions, but the bottom line is you don’t game women; you game the universe because the universe is your bitch.

Don’t get it? Well, that’s why you’re probably a guy with John the Baptist Syndrome; a voice crying in the wilderness “Make straight the way for the Patriarchy!”


Copied and pasted from a medical journal that doesn’t exist but totally should:

John the Baptist Syndrome (JTBS) is a disease of the mind caused by nostalgia viruses. Characteristic symptoms are anger, butthurt, comment thread hijacking, and selective white knightery. Other symptoms can occur, like not-oneitis oneitis, supplicating to women and manning up the Christian conservative way instead of the liberal way, and fighting those who refuse to fight alongside you instead of fighting those you claim to be fighting. Symptoms of JTBS usually last for a length of time inversely correlated to the male patient’s SMV.

If you think you may be suffering from John the Baptist Syndrome, I encourage you to take the test below. Knowing your risk level is an important first step.

1. Do you call yourself MGTOW, but would secretly slit your own mother’s throat for the chance to date an HB7 for 10 minutes? (C’mon… you know who you are… and we do too…)  □ Yes □ No

2. Does the thought of seeing a diamond you paid for shine high atop a finger that’s been wrapped around my dick turn you into a game hater? □ Yes □ No

3. Do you think men should collectively lead women back to femininity because you can’t personally pass the giant shit tests of the sex-positive feminist world?  □ Yes □ No

4. Do you believe a man cannot be a “real man” unless he procreates like billions of other men and farm animals have routinely done? Is this because the only way you’ll ever get pussy is by offering to be a provider for a woman and her child, and you’d really like to have your only option reframed as a choice? □ Yes □ No

5. Do you derail the comments threads of any post that advises men to better themselves in a way that you yourself do not have the backbone or resources to do? □ Yes □ No

6. Do you lack the capacity to even imagine a world in which masculinity can be defined without sacrificing something to the female imperative? Must you give at least something to some woman somewhere in order to identify yourself as man? □ Yes □ No

7. Do you want men to stop pursuing financial independence, personal happiness, intellectual stimulation, and social and physical health (collectively referred to by JTBS sufferers as “chasing pussy”) and join you in your internet crusade to save society? Is the real reason you’re so worried about society and the return of the patriarchy is so that a woman will be socially forced to take your fat, pasty broke ass seriously? □ Yes □ No

8. Are you so jealous of the success of others that you take pride in your state of disrepair? Do you see yourself as a martyr for the cause – a leader in the movement to bring society back – yet you can’t get any attention from anyone unless you drop troll comments on the internet? □ Yes □ No

9. Do you hide behind Jesus or Ronald Regan to justify the symptoms listed above? □ Yes □ No

If you answered “Yes” to two or more of these questions, consult your doctor immediately. John the Baptist Syndrome, when left untreated, can be dangerous. If you’d like more information on JTBS prevention, or if you’d like to learn how to enjoy and facilitate the decline while still being successful and surrounding yourself with feminine women, take two red pills from the ROK archives and call me in the morning.

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27 thoughts on “John The Baptist Syndrome”

  1. This article could have been better if you had provided an real example – someone who clearly answering sufficiently ‘yes’ through their blog posts.

  2. Amen on #3.
    Feminism is nothing but a giant shit test done on a social level.
    And like all shit tests, only betas will attempt to logically disarm it.
    Alphas will simply agree and amplify; and do so with a smirk.
    You want to be sluts? Okay, pump and dump pump and dump pump and dump pump and dump lololololzzzzzzz

  3. I remember seeing a lot of this on the comments of the recent TakiMag article. Commenters there said that men shouldn’t act like man-whores and sluts in order to fight feminism, that it was simply living the lifestyle of the feminists and cultural libertines. I think it is a generational issue. Many of the TakiMag commenters are happily married to feminine women. But in our modern, blue state, SWPL culture, that lifestyle is almost impossible.

  4. some claims remeber-me of Julius Evola thougths:

    As a man, by holding onto the tiger’s back may survive the confrontation, so too might a man, by letting the world take him on its inexorable path be able to turn the destructive forces around him into a kind of inner liberation. While the traditional world described in Revolt Against the Modern World would allow a man to fully realize his being in a united society, the world Evola describes in Ride the Tiger is much lonelier and even more pessimistic. Ride the Tiger, despite its pessimism, is a testament to Evola’s belief that no matter how lost civilization may be, there always exists the ability for the individual person to live his life always looking “above” himself and thus achieving enlightenment.

    Wikipedia: Julius Evola – Ride the Tiger

    Julius Evola’s final major work, which examines the prototype of the human being who can give absolute meaning to his or her life in a world of dissolution• Presents a powerful criticism of the idols, structures, theories, and
    illusions of our modern age

    Ride the Tiger: A Survival Manual for the Aristocrats of the Soul

  5. Fighting the “ills of liberal hogwash” by adopting the hedonistic, action without thought of consequence, lack of honor or pride in oneself and country mindset of a liberal. Defeat your enemy by becoming him? Allowing the feminists to control frame?
    Kings fought to maintain and protect their kingdoms. Don’t fight the invaders, drink their wine. Return of Kings? More like return of children.

  6. It’s great that you point out this JTBS to readers as I believe many men who take the read pill go through phases of denial, anger, then acceptance. It’s during the anger phase of realizing the truth about women and feminism that the JTBS can take root and really cause problems for a man.
    It’s a also such a liberating realization that you want to to preach the good news — the truth about women and feminism — to others who aren’t necessarily ready to receive the news. And like JTB, you can have your head lopped off in a social and political sense. It happened to me to a certain degree.
    However, proselytizing the magnetosphere gospel didn’t get my anywhere. It didn’t win me more male friends and supporters and it certainly didn’t land me more pussy. I had to learn the hard way to keep these things to myself and only let a few select me in on the “secret” of how things really are as I deemed them ready, willing and able to receive the information. In fact, I’m meeting with one such friend for drinks later this evening to let him in on the real score, now that he’s facing the consequences of being the poster-child beta male husband/father/provider — divorce. I think he’s now ready, willing and able to accept the reality of how things are now that he’s faced with the consequence of buying into the lies.
    So, it does a man well to understand that this JTBS is a threat to his well being and his ability to win friends and influence people. Avoid the temptation to preach gospel of the game, lest you lose your head doing it.
    Good work. Thanks.

  7. These are points well made, although the irony of a PUA arguing centering your life around women is stupid, while simultaneously disparaging MGTOW (which PUA is a subset of), is not lost on me.
    The circular firing squad has it’s uses though, since these are legit points…although I am compelled to inject a little bit of “mote” meet “beam” sarcasm as well.

    1. The older I get, the closer I get to MGTOW. My statement was not intended to slap at the movement/philosophy, but rather to call out the guys who cloak themselves in MGTOW because they couldn’t get laid in a whore house with a fist full of $100.00’s.

    2. Could you please tell me how the PUA community is a subset of MGTOW? (Plus MGTOW hate PUAs and there are virtually no PUAs in the MGTOW movement. I’m pretty sure MGTOW would lynch one of their own members if they found out that he was PUA). MGTOW didn’t even exist when the PUA community came to the fore. Also how “irony” can be “stupid” as you pointed out? Also this article’s writer is not a PUA preacher strictly. He talks more about personal development which reduces social awkwardness and facilitates interaction with the opposite sex. This is the kind of sour-grapes reasoning the JTBS is all about.

  8. This post is right on.
    I would also refer readers to the Solomon Group
    specifically this section by Dalrock:

    Proverb 3: The Brighter Side of Feminism
    Feminism is a great way for Alpha males to control Beta males by Proxy.

    Every time I see losers whining endlessly about feminism
    (especially on the weekends when they should be out doing
    approaches instead of posting bitter tears on the interwebs)
    this is what I think of.
    Solomon papers can be found here:

    An Amazing Manosphere Blog You’ve Never Seen

  9. i went batshit (in my mind for good reason) in the comments of the visectomy post, so call me solipsistic but i feel that this post was in very very small part in response to my (as well as many many others) actions.
    i dig this article. i dig most of them here. i cant stand when people hate on writers here because they arent roosh.
    the going red pill at work thing should be obvious. nobody should pretend to be an enlightened soldier of the manosphere, a suicide bomber at work. just because some people feel they have discovered something true (hahaha) they feel the need to run around preaching the enlightened word at their own expense. this is retarded. it demonstrates the lack of capacity to grasp anything discussed among us here.
    the men who toss around words like “beta” and “red pill” (oh dude thats like sooooo RED PILL!!!!) and “imperative”. they are a bunch of circle jerks. they blame broads for every fucking problem in their lives when in reality it is that type of behavior that causes their problems. to these men it is a self validating fad. every witty term must be parotted out and regurgitated until it is no longer recognizable as the wholesome food it once was.
    the men who think this is a “movement”. hahahahaha. guys all this shit is is men figuring out shit that our fathers should have taught us but didnt for one reason or the other.
    by the way congratulations edward thatch for giving the circle jerks another term to toss at anyone they feel isnt as “alpha” as them over a little disagreement. the term im referring to is “JTBS”. mark my words that shit is gonna become the next witty insult of these guys that think they are “alpha” because they read blogs. i think you just threw them a bone and are going to enjoy laughing while they toss it around. i will also enjoy watching it.
    and to address my behavior over the visectomy article. i have no problem with them. i just feel that it is a personal decision, one which i think is negative, and a life changing one, and shouldnt be tossed around as a “dude maybe you should check this out” idea. you have to understand that you guys are a loud voice and people take you seriously. to some morons here your word is gospel and when something that big is tossed out a lot of dumb asses are just going to go out and do it. you may not want to be leaders but you guys are to a degree, and i find that article to be an irrisponsible use of that influence, even if it wasnt intentional.
    i can honestly say that i answered no to all those questions not that it matters. i found 4 and 5 especially funny. because they were a way to point and laugh at the visectomy haters. touche.
    anyway keep it up and uh… ima be out working and rubbing my nipples looking sexy for the broads.

    1. Lulz. Damn good comment, man. We don’t have to all agree on everything around here.
      And “This is not a movement” would make a damn fine article. You should write it up and submit it to Roosh as a guest post. 50% will hate it and want to burn your house down, but that’s part of the fun.

    2. Lulz. Damn good comment, man. We don’t have to all agree on everything around here.
      And “This is not a movement” would make a damn fine article. You should write it up and submit it to Roosh as a guest post. 50% will hate it and want to burn your house down, but that’s part of the fun.

  10. I do believe that all men go through a JTBS phase when taking the red pill.
    It’s just that men (our ancestors) who were upstanding citizens have built civilization. We have so many luxuries because of them. They have worked so hard, working 40+ hours a week, spending the majority of their time and wealth on their families and barely on themselves. Men have pretty much invented everything. Even men of different races who have had it MUCH worse than middle/upper class western women have. African american men had it much worse than white american women, but yet they invented many music genres such as blues, rock, and jazz. I just searched african american inventions and look at what I found: Notice how many of them were alive before the african american civil rights movement. I guess when women were blaming the patriarchy for their short comings, african american men were actually doing something about their short comings when they had it MUCH worse.
    I just feel as if our fathers have passed the baton to us and we have no choice but to become indifferent hedonists so we can get our sexual satisfaction because thats whats rewarded now. All of their hard work was all in vain and we are throwing all of the hard work we did out the window.
    But just like Harry preaches in his MGTOW ROK article, the damage has been done and there is no going back. The best thing to do is just accept it and live life with no responsibilities.
    If this comparison makes any sense, I see JTBS men in regards to society (now) as how a patriarch father sees her slut of a daughter. He wants her to follow the rules he was brought up with but she is wanting to indulge in her hedonistic ways. He was brought up with conservatives values and is upset to find out that she is pissing away all of the hard work he and his ancestors put in. Instead of helping her (as any father would), he should just be indifferent about her slut behavior and just look out for himself and his wants/needs. She get’s knocked up by a thug, he is indifferent. She gets STi’s and is infertile, he just looks the other way.
    I felt the need to write this because I answered yes to more than two of the questions, I need to just accept the fact that it’s never going to go back to how it was, and just enjoy what I can (such as improving myself and only looking after my needs and desires).
    Great article, should be a required reading for all MRA’s and men of the western world.

  11. “….Does the thought of seeing a diamond you paid for shine high atop a finger that’s been wrapped around my dick turn you into a game hater?…”
    Fat chance, Thatch.
    The woman/women I gave/give a ring to wouldn’t be within a 100 yards of filth like you.
    You have a lot of nerve to cite John The Baptist in this player-conquering-all post.

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