So the increasingly irrelevant Noble Peace Prize was recently given out, and it came as a surprise to no one that the 2014 peace prize was shared by a 17-year-old Pakistani-born girl named Malala Yousafzai. For those of you (fortunate few) who haven’t heard of her, Malala is a supposed advocate for girls rights to education in any and all cultures and societies in the world.
She became internationally famous when, in 2012 at the age of 15, a member of the fanatical Muslim religious group, the Taliban, tried to shoot her in the head. Malala was wounded, but the shooter’s aim was piss-poor and the bullet wound up grazing her, entering the skin of Malala’s head and passing along it before it struck her in the shoulder. Malala was treated in Pakistan and eventually flown to England for further treatment once she was co-opted by globalists who wanted to make her a poster child.
The reason the Taliban shot Malala in the head was to send a message that they would attack girls who wanted to get a western-style education. So as soon as Malala had recovered, she immediately proved she was stronger than the Taliban by returning to her home in the Swat region of Pakistan. Except that last part didn’t happen.
When she awoke Malala eagerly embraced her celebrity status, travelling around the safe western world and making flagellant liberals and globalists feel good about themselves while peddling feminist dogma and her book. Malala bragged that she had bested the Taliban, and that she was not afraid of them. The world cheered her on, thumbing their nose alongside her at the oppressive Taliban from the safety of western countries.
Malala did not go back to live in Pakistan. She resides in England and was attending an English school when they came in and told her she won the Nobel Peace Prize. Malala was lucky that she was co-opted for an agenda and was given a great place to live in the western world, because while she is touring the globe, advocating girls rights to education, those same girls are the ones forced to continue to live in places where they can be hurt and killed for trying to attend school.
While Malala was laughing, playing and enjoying the safety of receiving an education in a predominantly white country found upon Christian morals, school girls in Africa were being kidnapped. While Malala mugged for the camera, giving speeches to the choir about how extremists are fools to think bullets can silence women’s rights in the 3rd and 2nd world in buildings protected by men with guns, Yazidi girls are being turned into sex slaves by those same men, most of whom will not face any prosecution or justice for their actions.
Let me repeat: after the Taliban shot her in the head, Malala opted to live in England. She ran away. They shot her in the head and she ran away. I don’t know in what crazy world people think that being chased out of your home counts is a victory but it certainly isn’t the real one. They shot Malala, and that scared her away. That was a decisive victory for the Taliban and for anti-female extremists everywhere.
And every time Malala gives a speech or drops another nonsensical, feel good quote for useful idiots to lap up, those extremists laugh. They’re laughing at Malala. And the girls Malala claims to represent, and whom she abandoned to their fate simply because she had the chance to, are the ones who are now suffering. Getting shot in the head is pretty extreme, and I could respect Malala if she took it and continued to live in Pakistan. But she ran. She gave up. The extremists won unequivocally, and no amount of desktop wall papers will change that irrefutable fact.
They thought a bullet would silence us, but they failed. Nothing changed in my life except this: Weaknesses, fear and hopelessness died. Strength, power and courage was born.
– Malala Yousafzai, speech to the United Nations.
Malala has done more harm than good to oppressed girls in crappy countries. She says books and education are what we need to change the world, then proved that completely untrue after she ran away when a man with a gun fired a bullet into her. Instead of reading text books and trying to fill her head with words, Malala would have been better served to take that textbook and hold it in front of her head to try and stop the bullet. Now Malala is a talking head, a mascot, someone do nothing people can point to and exclaim that they’re changing the world.
It’s fair to say that at this point the Nobel Peace Prize means nothing anymore. The science awards still have some merit, but the peace prize is a worthless political tool. It’s a feel-good scam, designed to sell books and globalist talking points. Not only have they given it to a girl who abandoned the very women she claims to represent, but within recent memory (2009) the Nobel institution also gave the prize to a man whose governmental policies continue to result in the deaths of hundreds of civilians, and whose administration continues to destabilize nominally peaceful countries all over the globe with a Byzantine surveillance network which also spies domestically on their own war-weary citizens, and whose administration is continually manipulating the press in an attempt to drag the war-weary people into yet more conflicts.
The only rational explanation as to why they gave him the peace prize was simply because he was the first black-skinned president of the United States of America.
But that doesn’t matter. Dignity and morals have no place in the modern world. At least it has no place in our so-called noble institutions, the places where we supposedly celebrate the best of humanity. No, we mustn’t have standards. We need to keep making guilty privileged people feel good and like they’re doing something by cheering on a 3rd world mascot. We need to keep stroking Malala’s ego and filling up her pocket book. We need to keep showing the globalist elite that we’re still so blind and stupid that we’ll eagerly cheer on their token ethnic talking head while they keep waging wars and funding the very same groups who make girls lives a misery with cash and weapons.
So yes, never fear you ladies of the 2nd and 3rd world. You, too, can brave all those bad men and receive an education: so long as there are prosperous countries founded upon and still more or less exercising European Christian morals that still exist for you to run to (and which you can afford to run off to in the first place), and that you’re willing to be a hollow mascot for the powers that be in those countries.
If you can’t…whelp, better shut up, take your beatings and get into the kitchen because all your champions are too busy making cash and soaking in the congratulations about how brave they are after they’ve completely abandoned you.
Didn’t Obama get a peace prize as well? What joke of an award that is!!
Yes—
Let’s not forget about the black belt in tae kwan do the president of Seoul gave him. You know you’re tough when you’ve never even practiced it and get a black belt. Lolz
The Noble Peace Prize is a joke for sure and I don’t think her actions warrant receiving it but this is just dumping on the girl for no justification. She got shot AFTER being warned that attending school would result in her death. And the reason those Muslim extremists groups are allowed to survive is because the MEN in those regions are recreants of the lowest form.
I agree. I think there would be no real value in her going back, she can better help girls there by telling her story. I don’t think the Nobel Prize is validated. But all things considered with the fall of it’s respectability, perhaps she did earn it.
I also will have to find if she said that she went back, or if a liberal talking head posing as a news reporter, typical actually just look at Maddow or Oreilley, said she did to raise her rapport?
I’m not saying she isn’t being used as a prop for feminists. However, the men in Pakistan don’t stand up to extremists groups in that region so expecting some 12 year old girl to go back to certain death just to satisfy the requirements of her prize is illogical. I seriously doubt Mr. Chubbs would be returning if in her circumstances. And if he did, he is a retard.
I wouldn’t return, but I’d also have the good grace not to prance about like I won a big victory. The Taliban wanted to intimidate girls into not attending school. Although they didn’t kill Malala, they still forced her to flee their lands. Routing an enemy is the same as killing them if they do not return to the battlefield.
And while Malala taunts from the safety of the west, girls who can’t escape extremist controlled areas are the ones who become the targets of the extremists wrath. Malala talks a big game now that she’s safe, and the girls who are left behind suffer for her big mouth.
Likewise I think the article’s a little harsh. On the other hand, what real good is she doing to help Pakistani girls by telling her story in the West? At best all she can really generate is intermittent Kony-style “activism” in the West, which is to say, a like or upvote and nothing more. The only way countries like Pakistan are going to ever change is by Westerners going in there and risking their own necks to educate the population—and even then you have to wonder whether it’s either pragmatic or morally right to do so. Pakistan routinely played both ends against the middle when the Coalition was in Afghanistan; maybe the point has been reached where the West has to say “Fuck off until you’re ready to embrace democracy and a secular state for real. When you do, call us.”…?
It’s important to note that democracy and a secular state are two DIFFERENT unrelated goals, that only the west is stupid enough to equate with each other. Saddam had a secular state in Iraq, that was relatively safe and prosperous as compared to most of the region, and even allowed western churches to operate. Democracy, as evidenced in the new Iraq and several surrounding movements, brings out religious extremism. In other words, one can have democracy, or a secular state, but probably not both. Every US president has been religious and this has become stronger and more openly true over the past decades.
Just because 51% of voters want something does not make it intrinsically a good idea. Read up a little on why monarchies were instituted and what goes into the training and economic and political guidance of a monarch.
NIAWYC; my main point was really that these countries have to *want* to become peaceful, secular societies before the West can really assist them in any meaningful way. Without that it is really two different cultures talking past each other.
Precisely. You are ahead of 95% of US foreign policy decision makers that frame everything with a western mindset. Disasters like the Iraq War and occupation of Afghanistan would have been avoided if they understood this concept.
Who says it is a disaster?
I do. And I think most anyone would logically argue that Iraq and Afghanistan haven’t gone well. Why would you think they are? Iraq is so fucked up they need intervention to prevent ISIS from controlling large portions of the country. Afghanistan appears nowhere near ready for self-governance.
Cui Bono?
Defense companies definitely benefitted. Maybe the Kurds. Not sure even the Shia in Iraq are better off given the level of instability. I think overall the US would have been safer if Saddam stayed in power. ISIS wouldn’t be much of a threat now without that power vacuum. Afghanistan should have been over years ago. That country, if you can really call it that, is so backwards it is hopeless. The Taliban never held everything firmly so the chances of us doing it in proxy are about non-existent. Both overall are blackholes for resources.
So run a list of Aircraft and Missile company execs.
Personally I think Israel benefitted, so did Saudi.
No thanks. Enough of my tax dollars have gone into the Middle East and other Muslim lands.
Let these backward countries solve their own problems. The US has plenty of its own issues to sort out internally.
The Nobel Peace Prize has a weird history. It was created by Mr. Nobel because he felt guilty about how many people his explosives were killing in wars.
Henry Kissinger won a Nobel Peace Price. He by any standard was a war criminal.
It’s amazing how the far left have taken every institution of value they co-opt, and turn it into a laughing stock. The mighty have fallen, and the vagina laid them low.
Although I will admit, getting shot in the head, and surviving, but not wanting to go back is a understandable response.
I got shot in the head by western women, metaphorically speaking, through family court. I have left the west’s women, metaphorically speaking, and now preach to whomever will listen that western women are afraid of a man who burns his utility belt to their burning bra.
Do I get a prize?
Of course…not.
The Nobel Peace prize has lost all of its credibility.
First they give the president one who is known for what he does.
Now this. I am getting sick of seeing her face all over the news. What makes her so great? Seriously, do you know how many kids get shot in the head on a regular basis in Pakistan? What about them?
Malala is a product of feminism. She is the poster child of female liberalism and is going to show the world that “men are the problem.” I am sick to death of this.
The irony is that she should be grateful that the talibans shot her in the head. After all, she now has a multi million pound book deal, permanent stay in the United Kingdom, and now the Nobel Peace prize.
Not to mention Paul Krugman won a Nobel prize for economics for writing the same column 1000 ways in New York Beta Times. What a joke.
Paul Krugman, bad example.
Without Krugman and likes, you Americans would have tasted some European-style austerity, and that certainly doesn’t taste good!
The taste of austerity will be preferable to the taste of dog food, which is coming.
At least dog food keeps you out of hunger, unlike austerity.
At least dog food keeps you out of hunger, unlike austerity.
What’s particularly funny is the fact that the violent traditionalist group who shot her were originally armed, funded, and trained by the West.
LULZ- Sorry about that! Here, have a Nobel and tickets to the Miley Cyrus show.
Thanks for writing this Billy. Everything about her smelled like bullshit, so when the lisping manboobs and feminists moistened their panties over her I knew she was just another propaganda darling for the left.
Isn’t it funny that the #1 Wester criticism of Islam, from liberals and “conservatives” alike is that it isn’t feminist enough? That’s the only bone they have to pick with it, as far as I can tell. Ironically, Muslim women tend to be way more fundamentalist than Muslim men, so they are the ones demanding “extremism.” ISIS Al Qeada, Taliban are just using Extremeist game to get the Islamic chicks. And of course there’s the recent spate of European and American girls running off to join ISIS. Obviously women crave some good old fashioned oppression.
“so when the lisping manboobs and feminists moistened their panties over her I knew she was just another propaganda darling for the left”
LMAO ! Too damned funny; and true.
Yup that’s the irony. I have a Pakistani friend who’s mother is more fundamentalist and crazier than his dad. So much so that he left the country, disavowed Islam privately and got residency in another country. He’s the first Pakistani I know to have realised that Islam is total murderous bullshit and that he has Carrie’s mother as his mum in an Islamic version instead.
Extremist Game. Damn, the Manosphere just ascended to a higher plane of existence with your post.
I don’t know much about this girl – running the hell away from these nuts seems like the smart move. I’m not sure what else a 15-year-old girl was supposed to do. I agree that it doesn’t qualify for a Peace Prize, but they give them to anyone in the news these days.
I have seen Ayaan Hirsi Ali speak and really admired her for pointing out the real root of the problem – the crazy medieval cult called Islam. Which is why she’ll never win a “Peace” prize.
I completely agree. A young girl was shot in the head and took the first chance she had to run away and never come back. Sounds about right.
Now, why she deserved a Nobel Peace Prize for this escapes me. After all, she hasn’t really accomplished anything back at home. The Taliban is still the Taliban, and they’re still doing what they do. The Peace Prize has historically been given to people who had accomplished—or were on the verge of accomplishing—something. Ghandi, MLK, Mandela, de Klerk, etc. This girl definitely does not belong on that list.
Yes, allow me to echo these comments, and agree with the jist of this article, with 2 corrections:
1) “Getting shot in the head is pretty extreme, and I could respect Malala if she took it and continued to live in Pakistan. But she ran.”
She absolutely made the right choice in fleeing a place where she was shot in the head for going to school (regardless of whether this is the full story). I would actually question her intelligence if she chose to stay in such a dangerous, unstable and violent place.
2) “the Nobel institution also gave the prize to a man whose governmental policies continue to result in the deaths of hundreds of civilians”
Did you mean to say hundreds of thousands? Or hundreds per week? Hundreds is a gross distortion of the truth.
Also, her actions, even the hyperbole and one sided view portrayed officially, do nothing to encourage or foster peace. Seriously, where is the connection to peace? If anything, by bringing bad actions of the Taliban to light, isn’t she increasing chances the west will go to war against them? How in the hell does this justify a Peace Prize? I don’t see the connection. At worst, you could call her heroic (she is not much of a hero, although it must certainly build character to survive such an event), but peaceful?????
Gandhi never received the Nobel Peace Prize.
You are correct. The people that are most deserving are often overlooked. Seems the winners nowadays are tied to a larger political agenda.
Maybe because he died very soon after he got famous for his part in Indian independence? At the hands of Hindu extremists, at that, for the crime of not hating Muslims.
I’d rather give one to her than say Obama
You are absolutely right. And on that topic, I’ve too often seen people even here on rok defending Islam. So just to establish some things:
1. Pre-literacy (1493, Gutenberg’s printing press), Christianity and Islam were both copted by leaders for political reasons and oftentimes resulted in violence (Crusades, etc). Post-literacy, Christianity had the Protestant Reformation, the Catholic Reformation, and slowly de-politicized (separation of church and state) in the Western world. This never happened in the Islamic world because unlike the Bible, the Quran serves as both a spiritual guide AND a political document, similar to the US Constitution.
2. While there are some violent people who happen to be Christians, Christianity promotes peace and has a vast positive impact on society in terms of social cohesion, prevention of drug and alcohol abuse, support of monogamy and sexual restraint, and increased charitable support.
3. While there are some peaceful people who are Muslims, Islam promotes violence, bloodshed, intolerance, misogny (actual misogyny, not feminist “misogyny”), the killing of homosexuals, un-democratic forms of government, and polygamy. Hence, the state of the Middle East. That is why after decimating Japan in WW2 we built it right back up, but the same is impossible in Iraq.
While political correctness says otherwise, read the Quran, read the Bible, study history, and you will see this is correct.
Mate, what you have written here is stupid and childish. You obviously have an irrational bias against Islam based on what you have heard in the media and you are trying to justify it to yourself. You could easily replace Christianity with Islam in your second paragraph and the same would be true.
As for the state of the Middle-East…. well I encourage you to read a few history books. Europeans, North Africans and Asians have been fighting over the ME for thousands of years for a variety of reasons. Understanding this, will help you understand why the ME is currently in such turmoil relative to the West.
Your reasoning as to why the US occupied and invested in Japan after those wonderful Christians dropped two atom bombs on civilians is naive to the point of madness.
Every election in the Middle East has failed because the voters have instituted Muslim leaders, and have resulted in either theocracy, totalitarian government, or secular military dictatorship (Gaza elected Hamas, Egypt elected Morsi (theocrat) until el-Sissi (military dictator) took over, Iran failed westernization because of the ayatollahs, Turkey maintained democracy only through secular military dominance until recently Erdogan took over and it’s going totalitarian again, the list goes on of how Islam fails at civilization.
What do Christians do in the West, deny gays marriage? The most radical Christian group in the US is the Westboro Baptist Church, and while they protest the funerals of soldiers and gays they never DETONATE those funerals. The difference here is key.
In response to some other comments saying Islam is better than post-modern culture, you could argue that. But traditional Western culture, which includes Christianity and it’s benefits, is better than both.
It is a very complex topic, and if you’re interested in further research, I give you:
Quran and Hadith in English-
http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/home/
Sharia Law-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/621126.stm
Islamic Support For Sharia-
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/
Battlefield Europe (Muslims are currently pouring in and destroying society)-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6xdYDbxZnI
I’ve spent several years between Iraq, Afghanistan, Kuwait, and Saudi Arabia. Muslim extremism is tacitly accepted by moderate Muslims which you should find troubling. Perhaps the religion is so new it has not evolved enough but that doesn’t change the fact that they are not going to be compatible with a modern society. Many of the leaders of extremist groups are highly educated Muslims so the notion that economic progress could reverse their extremism is inconsistent with reality. Islam provides a justification for human primitiveness to propagate.
Christians killing civilians, raping and pillaging are not following the example set by Jesus.
Muslims beheading civilians, raping and stealing are doing exactly the same as Mohamed in his day.
Mohamed shouldn’t even be in the same sentence as other prophets. He was a murdering warlord.
Nah, savage Camel jockeys. Fucking backward scum. Desert Pirates.
It’s a religion of raiding and slaving. The more adherents take the religion the more they slash and burn. The more seriously a Christian becomes about Christianity the closer they get to dying in an Ebola hospital ward, giving up the worldly life to enter a monastery the more they give to racial and ethnic outsiders in a bid for sainthood.
This is the fundamental point. If you follow Christ’s example the worst violence you could commit is yelling about banks ( temple money changers).
Mohammad? Total psychopath. Killing and more killing. Then slaving.
What do Christians do in the west ?
A brief list:
1) They institute “equality” where the line between masculinity and femininity is erased.
2) They worship the false god of money
3) They have given up the idea of female chastity.
4) They murder hundreds of thousands of “others” without a thought for their condition and smugly say “you’re welcome, world!”
5) They foster terror and destabilize governments worldwide
6) They believe in democracy (an offshoot of #1)
7) They have actively destroyed every institution that western liberalism created over the past 5 centuries of progress, from the church to the education system, to the UN, to the justice system.
I am critical of all superstition; however, in criticizing one fairy tale one must be careful not to fall back on another. Christianity is not very “Christ like” in America and remember there are 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, and only in the hotbed of the ME where the west is constantly injecting itself is there turmoil.
Say what you will about the false god of religion, but it is first and foremost an institution established to control social order. That control has failed in the west. At least in the ME, there is some semblance of propriety and there are clear, proscribed roles for men and women. Rampant female sexuality is not tolerated. Instead of criticizing the name and habits of the religious institution in the ME, those in the west should be more concerned with replacing or modifying that institution at home. What are we doing to set limits for the hypergamy and duplicitous nature of our women? Divorce, equality in the workplace, and political correctness have all but erased any tools for controlling the female backstabbing individualist in the west.
Name one country in the ME that you would prefer to live in?
This is a straw man fallacy.
I personally would prefer to live in a nontheist nation. If I were to retire today I would move to Latin / South America. But that will almost surely change before I am ready.
It’s founded on aggressive Razzia. Plunder and Booty.
“This is the fundamental point. If you follow Christ’s example the worst
violence you could commit is yelling about banks ( temple money
changers).”
Hahah. Right.
Go read about the Cathars, and what happened to them, just an example among many.
Mackdeburg was also a lot of fun.
It’s not a straw man. You are espousing the failures of western christians in governments relative to ME muslims. I would prefer a non-theist state as well. But that doesn’t change the fact that currently western christians appear to be far more capable of governance than ME muslims.
Don’t care if they are more capable. The west is a shit hole. Does it matter if another place is more shitty?
The Cathars were killed off by Simon De Montfort as an agent of the French King. Frenchifying the Occitan in other words. The Cathars were allied to Toulouse and Aragon. The Catholics sided with the French. Nothing that can’t be explained by state politics. De Montfort is interesting as his son ended up in England as a fanatical democratic player in dynastic politics. “kill em all and god will know his own.” Hardly a sincere religious statement.
It’s Magdeburg Quarter btw. No mercy for a beseiged town that won’t surrender when the wall is breeched.
And you think what’s happening in Middle East is not explainable by state-banks politics- ? That’s a bit naive.
Not english, didn’t know who to spell it in your language. Thanks.
Oh and nice double standard.
Those Crusaders were model Christians.
No one follows the example set by Jesus.
Naive explains it perfectly. An irony that these contributors to a “red pill” site accept uncritically the “blue pill” propaganda when it suits them.
Lybia was doing well until we bomb them and support the embryon of our dear ISIS friends.
There are plenty of Muslim doctors and nurses risking their lives in West African hospitals. Don’t be dense.
Joan of Arc tried to.
English bastards ! 😉
Considering Gaddafi’s overthrown was almost entirely perpetrated from within it would seem they were not in fact doing well for themselves.
Are you aware that most Muslims are not in the Middle East? And there are no Western Christian states.
Who told you that?
The Nuke, all credit to them is a tribal invention. Oppenheimer, Slizard all the boys from the Schul. It almost certainly prevented more Japanese getting killed too and stopped the Communists from their own Amphibious invasion of Japan.
Yes. I’ve been to Malaysia and I know Indonesia is the most populous Muslim nation in the world. Which is why I specified ME muslim nations. Though to be fair, Muslims in Asia have also created problems within the PI, Malaysia, and Indonesia as well.
But that’s not the point is it? Jesus was a moral exemplar. Mohammad was a plunderer. The results in the followers of each archetype couldn’t be much clearer.
Long War Journal and Foreign Policy Magazine are good open sources among other non-open sources.
Not sure. The Saudis are pulling the strings in the fundie ISIS movement. Petrol money is a better Pseudo-Marxist explanation than banks. I take the Jihad excuse/explanation for the behaviour of the fundies at face value. It’s a religion of direct plunder.
It should matter to you. No country is going to be perfectly well managed. If given a choice between the countries I have been to, I would live in Liechtenstein or Switzerland. But even those countries to me are not perfect.
Lets assume Jesus actually existed. You are comparing the Sond of God, actually God himself, to a flawed man (as we all are). Seem fair?
Why not compare Mohammad to other prophets, who did kill or perhaps the apostle Paul, who killed the followers of Christ? Further, Jesus taught forgiveness. Why can you not forgive Mohammad his sins as God has?
Last, Mohammad is no different to countless other Medieval Men of God who burned, pillaged, raped and murdered their way through life.
You don’t know anything about the history. Napoleon rather stupidly thought I had no background understanding about Cathars/bogomils/Lollards and other elements if heresy.
Interestîngly heresy, or at least lethal punishment for heresy was something that Christians learned from Islam. Once the Arabs started invading Christendom arguments that had hitherto concluded with little more than house arrest or banishment, began to metastasize into deadly Crises like Iconoclasm and Schism.
Islam is quite literally like a bastard adoptee who turns on the foster family and kills or rapes the host.
That deserves a shrug and smirk.
Just recite the credo of your religion…the is no God but God and Mohammad… You say the rest!
No. Most were second generation Vikings. The pope couldn’t get them out of Europe quickly enough.
Look Norman! Over there extra plunder! God be with you Richard, Roger, Berengar, Tancred… Buh bye.
Dumbass.
The US nuked Japan because they declared war on us, and invading that country of fanatics would have resulted in over a million US casualties.
If Bush had responded properly to 9-11, by nuking Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, and Afghanistan out of fucking existence, we would not be having any problem with terrorism today. Period. Attack the US, get your ass nuked. Arithmetic even a Moslem can figure out.
Oh yeah, surely they mannaged to do it without any help from the outside. Like in Syria : No CIA or Mossad involved.
It was the people with the best quality of living in all the middle East who spontaneusly decided to free the criminals and turn them into jihadists, go high on captagone (nato-created drug).
Never heard of “colored revolutions” ?
The Saudis, Qatar… they just want their share of the oil and the gas availabe here.
They finance terrorism with the U.S and Israel benedictions, because the western governments need a scarecrow frightening enough for the sheeps to give them a pretext to go back here and still everything.
Banks controll the oil companies, this answer the question why would they need a nice World war 3 or Crusade 10 in this particular area.
An assertion in search of proof.
Islam is less a religion and more of a “pirates code” for distributing spoils and keeping order.
Muslims sound like rappers. All they ever talk about is how other Muslims aren’t real Muslims and killing rival gangs.
The US can’t trust the actors’ intentions in Syria which is why direct intervention is largely absent. That is a common theme in most of these uprising. And covert operations aren’t going to have as much of an influence on the conflict when operatives can be placed comfortably within in the country as is the case in these conflicts as there is too much instability and factional infighting to coalesce an identifiable strategy for the US to back.
Yeah there have been plenty of problems in Europe and America too. In fact Europe was tearing itself apart in the most destructive war in human history not so long ago.
And no one can trust the US intentions in respect of anything. Point?
Im agnostic so I find no religion particularly favorable. Therefore, the one that poses the least threat to my well-being is the one I identify as being most favorable. Given what I know between Islam and Christianity, I would take Christian-based societies 10 times out of 10.
The point is the US isn’t intervening in a meaningful way and that these uprising are fueled by forces within the state.
The objectivity of those publications is in serious doubt.
What criticisms do you have of those publications? They are peer-reviewed and respond openly to rebuttals. Maybe try The Economist.
Yeah I admit I don’t know much about these issues as I’ve got other stuff on my radar right now… And it is very difficult to go through this particular thread and make heads or tails of whats going on.
I find that doubtful given the CIA’s long and well documented history of interfering in foreign countries. If it is indeed true that the US funded ISIS as they did Al Qaeda then this adds a new dimension to the war on terror.
Lol… Idiot.
Today I offered an English version of brie to a Frenchman. He refused to take it. It was named “Waterloo.”
Just remember this simple rule. If it comes from the media, is probably bullshit.
No, the rest of the world invaded Europe under the banner of Democracy. The banner was sown by YKW and hoisted on a pole by mongrelized Asiatics and Negrified Americans.
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
Oh please and Christianity is all about kumbaya and hugs and kisses. ALL religion is rooted in oppression and dogma. The only reason the west was able to pull itself out of it was because we are a largely secular society. Thanks to men like Thomas Jefferson, we don’t let religion run our governments and laws. I guarantee you if it was up to Pat Robinson we’d still be lynching black people, killing immigrants, and holding a a weekly Salem Witch trials. It would Christian Shria law all over the south.
Those Bedouins who conquered the Levant from the Roman Empire were model Muslims
There is a wide difference between forgiveness and tolerance. You forgive the wrongs of others but that doesn’t mean you allow it to keep happening.
” which is why direct intervention is largely absent” are you kidding ? the U.S supported them with at least weapons and equipment, and probably tactical advisers through private companies, like they’re doing in Ukraine. That seems pretty direct to me.
As I said below, all our governments want in this area is a chaos scary enough to justify a new intervention.
So, as you said, they’ll play on the antaganonisms already present in the region in order to start a fire, and financing the most radical extremists.
That plan was initially thought by the british actually.
I’m pretty sure that someone with the means to do it could do that in America too, giving money to different hate groups of different ethnies, setting people against each other…
It’s not a problem of muslim culture.
You did it in Ukraine too, by the way.
… he really is, isn’t he ?
I already stated why the CIA wasn’t taking an active role in supporting rebels in ME uprising; fear of inadvertently supporting opposition forces that are anti-US.
Yeah I was kind of tired that day…
are you 14 ?
Your responses are simply so baseless they don’t warrant a rebuttal.
According to doctrine he’s both fully Human and fully Divine. That would have meant to a contemporary audience in the Roman and Greek world exactly what? He’s a bit like Zeus’s sons.
Islam cuts out of the divine any human presence or frailty. A barren vicious inhuman deity. Allah is a god without mercy or a heart.
You really are a disgusting Muslim are you not?
Saul was a member of the Jewish Sanhedrin. He probably helped stone the Proto Martyr. It’s at least insinuated into Acts that he was present. Saul murdered, as a commissar, apostate Jews. Then he felt guilt and shame and had a revelation that urged him to become a pacifist. Christianity appears in his case to have led him to STOP killing.
Are you soft in the head?
Bob is about as English as Eric Holder is an American.
I’m about as much Clark Kent as I am an Earthling.
you really really don’t like white people do you?
John Brown the abolitionist was a fanatical Christian. The Abolitionists were largely evangelical Christians like William Wilberforce. It’s very hard to imagine the end of slavery in the New World without Christianity. Amazing Grace was actually written by a slave ship captain who, wracked with guilt became a Franscisan Monk, devoting his entire life to abolition.
You dim bulb.
It’s a troublesome sort of suicidal-altruism. Isn’t it?
Thomas Jefferson owned slaves. And that didn’t make him any less Christian, he just wanted his country to be a democracy rather than a theocracy.
A bias against Islam is far from irrational. Islam is a warrior cult created with the purpose of welding the disparate groups of pirates, raiders, slavers, mercenaries, and other assorted villains that the prophet Mohamed cobbled together under his banner into a unified force capable of embarking upon arguably the most spectacular period of conquest in human history.
It’s a religion founded by a seventh century Arab warlord to further his imperial ambitions, what more do you need to know?
I’d disagree it’s anything to do with it’s age, Christianity is about 2000 years old, Islam is about 1400 years old. Christianity was never as bloodthirsty as Islam because the central figure of Christianity that Christians are meant to emulate was a peaceful carpenter, the equivalent in Islam is a rapacious warlord.
Kryptonite language, ought have just been Hebrew.
Many so called Christians rabidly (not just tacitly) accept the mass bombing and murdering of yellow and brown people by the Feds for monetary gain.
That’s how some people are in all societies and religions.
It’s not exclusive to Islam.
Even then that’s more necessity than virtue. baptists and episcopalians, Presbyterians and Catholics, independents and Methodist would have annihilated each other if they had established a church. So they all reluctantly decided to say that all religions were equal before the state. Most of them were extremely bigoted.
The Moros in the Philiphines and the Rohinga in Thailand. Really nice bunch of separatist they are. Awesomes. Asian Muslims setting up private theocracy and Takfir entities.
ha ha, man, you need stop believing everything CNN tells you
WRONG. Japan was willing to surrender. They were surrounded, isolated, and defeated by the US military. Japan wanted to negotiate a surrender which is logical. The Feds wanted an unconditional and immediate surrender. The Feds lied and said “Japan is not surrendering. So we have to bomb them to avoid losing a million lives”. A pure lie.
Not every Japanese is a kamikaze.
You are just repeating what the government school and TV told you.
Do you believe in fortune telling? Where did this “million US casualties” figure come from? An astrologer?
The Feds were looking for any excuse to test the bomb. That’s what warmongers do.
The Crusades were an answer to the expanding Islam empire. Without Islam, there would be no Crusades.
And you’re obviously a white bigot and Islamophobe. Only reason radical Islam even exists as largely as it does today is because dim wits like you funded and supported them during the cold war as a proxy battle against the “Evil commie atheist” Soviet Union. Nearly all of the middle east regimes were puppet governments setup by the CIA as ways to keep oil prices at favorable levels. Democracy and modern political ideologies were easy to abolish when you have the corrupt systems of a superpower to support them. Pickup a history book instead of spewing hatred from your ass.
I never had a beef with the Russians.
But if you think that Islam’s radical and bloody record is a creation of a wee bit of CIA hanky panky in Afghanistan you are a dupe.
These folk emulate a desert pirate as a moral exemplar. Whatever cruelty done in Mohamads name, fits the record according to the Koran and historical accounts:raids, rape massacre, murder, drunken brawling, paedophilia, forced conversion. And that’s the founder.
Damn straight. I’d nuke Mecca. Bush should have.
Btw yeah I think Mike Brown and Vonderritt Myers deserved to be shot dead.
This isn’t just about Afghanistan, the entirety of the middle east theocracies were supported and backed by cold war politics. You don’t think there were secular democratic movements in Iran after the revolution there? If the USA wanted there would have been a progressive democracy in Iran even today. But you seem like the typical closed minded warmonger so I suggest you go back to your KKK storm front forums. Nice talking to you Bill’ O’Reily.
Multiculturalism and Multiracialism are the new Religion.
This must go right over Ricardo Mountebank’s Heid. Heresy is equally alive today as it was in 1500. Except now the targets of heresy charges are Don Sterling or Officer Wilson. It’s not like secular society divested itself of mechanisms of control because we can now dismiss the idea of a supernatural god.
Look at what happened to the man who discovered DNA after he suggested blacks were genetically inferior. Off with his career. He killed a sacred cow.
No I opposed the invasion of Iraq. I thought it was designed to create a crisis, refugees, unshackling Islam from the stamp of Baathist fascism. Big mistake. You are too conventional and limited in your regurgitation of talking points.
I worked with plenty of people in the intel community and still communicate with them regularly. In addition to reading some on international publications and attending occasional forums.
Nearly all CIA puppets? I think a few might have been KGB frontmen and a handful aligned with French and British. Probably a few were tacitly allied to Israel at certain points. China was even a factor in Egypt.
What is so special about these snowflake nations that they couldn’t play geopolitics, without getting hurt? Are they children? If so an occasional spanking from the adult is needed. If they are too weak to keep it together let them fucking die. If they want to be adults they also get to die because that’s power.
Christians aren’t so committed to their ideology to conduct suicide missions either.
That you have to drag out the Salem Witch trials shows you how rare this stuff is. Even in the last 400 years. You are a joke. As soon as the Governor of Massachusetts got back from fighting the local Indians he saw what was going on and stopped the trials and punishments. the trials in Salem were really about the jealousies among the teenage women in the area and the bad blood between a local parish lay community and the preacher that they had hired. It’s actually an exceptional event in the English speaking world. Much less the Americas.
The point is one can criticize the west without wanting to live in a Muslim theocracy. Your straw man distraction to me when I pointed out problems with the west with a rebuttal of “which M.E. country would you prefer to live in” is off topic and irrelevant. The problems with the west stand as valid, and I would include in them coopting and accepting women like the one in this story.
By the way I heard today on the news that spreading feminism is A CRIME in Iran. (Again, this doesn’t mean I want to live in Iran.. just pointing out the facts). I think it’s much more useful to look for the good anywhere we can find it and to be objective, than to paint things as 100% black or white, right or wrong, good or bad.
Now you are on to something. The Soviets had defeated the Japanese in Manchuria and were poised for a mainland invasion (or surrender from Japan) within days of the nuclear attack on Japanese citizens by the USA.
However, the part about how nuking them actually “saved lives” is complete revisionism.
Actually Islam holds that Mohammed was not a flawed man, he was Al-Insan Al-Kamil ”the perfect man”. According to Islamic theology nothing that Mohammed did can ever be criticised, that includes slaving, raiding, having political opponents assassinated, as well as marrying children.
It should not be hard to figure out why holding up a seventh century warlord as the human ideal is problematic. Remember Mohammed really was a Genghis Khan like figure. If Genghis Khan had thought to found a religion what characteristics would you expect it to have?
Not so. The Japanese Emperor was a living God. The Nuke gave the Emperor a chance to deny his divinity. The question of Japanese resistance was a religious one.
Are you serious? The crusades were a reaction to Muslim attacks on peaceful pilgrims and to the subjugation of Christians living in the middle east as well as the aggressive expansion of Islam through invasion. Although motivated by religious zealotry, they weren’t in keeping with the separation of religion and politics advocated for by early Christians. Remember: what belongs to Cesar etc
Oh look, an Englishman being apologetic for Islam by bashing Christianity. I am sorry but you can argue all religion is stupid but you cannot rightly argue that they are all equally retrograde. Under the Christian church we got the scientific method
Is it founded and commanded in their scripture?
I can’t disagree.
That seemed to be more MSM myth than fact.
As I said before, it’s not a straw man when you are extolling the virtues of a Muslim society compared to a Western one. It is directly on topic and relevant to the comparison you are making. I would argue that you are ignoring Maslow’s hierarchy of needs in your position. Or that yours are not consistent with the model. You advocate that at least they have societal measures to control hypergamy yet don’t acknowledge the negatives by which those freedom inhibiting measures are derived. I do think western society has a good amount of improvement to be made but I certainly don’t believe their is any applicable improvements to be found in theocratic Muslim societies.
Are you saying Eric Holder is not a native American like the majority of people living in America?
We killed hundreds of thousands of you today so we wouldn’t have to kill hundreds of thousands more of you tomorrow. Yes I know you are grateful.
What you know about history is irrelevant because you think like a primitive. Everything gets filtered through a racist “them and us” scenario in your head. As such you are completely incapable of rationally understanding the world around you. You have a pre-science perspective of humanity.
Some people think Khan was a perfect man. But what you’re saying is that Mohammed was the inspiration for many a Christian leader as so many of them, to this day, follow his example rather than Jesus.
Ha ha that’s pretty funny. Good one.
You’re missing the point O Hard Headed One. There is no shortage of Christian Holy Men who have been as brutal if not more so than Mohammad. I know, I know, the Muslims made them do it.
You ate your chicken with knife and fork. Big mistake.
LOL! Is that the Walt Disney version of history? You sound like a a child “they started it!”
My friend, people have been fighting over land in that region for thousands of years before Christianity and Islam.
Of course there would. They would just call it something else.
Yes, the Christian church was famous for its promotion of sound scientific principles right up to this day, with their full support of the theory of evolution. I understand that they locked up Galileo for his health.
You make them sound awesome.
Indeed. I would add they also wanted to send a message to Stalin. Something I agree with Daniel McGrath on.
Saudi’s pull the strings in the US Gov’t too. House of Bush, House of Saud. They are like secret Israelis.
That’s nonsense.
Christianity accepted slavery of all forms for hundreds of years. It was the development of classical liberal ideas that led to the final abolition of slavery in the West.
You have a selective memory. I have no doubt you know your history but you pay attention only to the small parts that support your ideology. Islam’s bloody record? Compared to Europe? Compared the rest of the world over 6000 years of civilization?
My friend, I hate to cure you of your delusions but man has been killing man for a variety of reasons for all of human history. Black, white, Muslim, Christian is no matter. You want to believe that White Christians are somehow “holier than thou” but I am afraid they are bloody thirsty criminal murderers just like everyone else.
Designed by whom? The Saudis?
Witch trials went on for hundreds of years throughout Europe and the English speaking world. If the Salem Witch Trials were exceptional it wasn’t because they were Witch Trials.
More than half of Christendom was lost to Muslim invasions.
Are you aware that the population of the middle east, from Egypt to Turkey, was Christian prior to the Muslim invasions? The eastern roman empire, with its capital of Constantinople, was even more prosperous than the western empire. The small christian communities which are currently being eradicated in Egypt and Syria are the leftovers of that time and predate Islam. The whole of Europe would be Muslim if not for Charles Martel who stopped the invasion in Poitier and the Poles who stopped it in Vienna.
Did you read about Bouvine 1214 ? We recently celebrated the 800 years.
We were in better shape that day.
I think we should have stayed best enemies.
We’re not made to be allies.
Please check out some of the facts about the followers of Islam and then compare them to culturally christian countries.
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics
There are very few people that are islamaphobes. Phobia = irrational fear. Most people have a rational fear of Islam. When 50% of all Muslims are inbred, 78% of British Muslims think the danish cartoonist should be punished for drawing muhammed.
When there are muslim Pedophile grooming gangs sweeping over the North of England.
There are many more things wrong with Islam and the culture that goes with it that I don’t have time to write out.
It is not an irrational fear. It is very rational.
Phobia is an irrational fear. Hating Islam which is a shit religion and should be eradicated with extreme prejudice is highly rational and not a phobia.
You don’t know much about history, do you?
http://www.lordsandladies.org/cause-of-crusades.htm
Actually Jefferson was a deist not a christian.
The crusades started as a response to islamic invaders and were of a defensive nature. You might have a point if you argued that regarding the 4th crusade however when they sacked Constantinople.
By in large your comments about christian ideology vs islam are those of a liberal.
Btw Mohamed was engaged to marry a girl when was 5 yrs old and consumated the marriage I believe when she was around 9. So dont compare a fucking pedophile who started his religion to Christ you fucking shmuck.
Turkey, if you consider it the middle east.
So now DNA proves blacks are inferior? Wow you really are the definition of a slimy bigot. Thank goodness your kind is a dying breed. As more and more of the “inferior” blacks and browns, Chinese, multiracials and whoever you despise take over the modern world the only thing you can do is go on comment section rants like a child who knows his time is up. Enjoy the fact you can do ABSOLUTELY nothing about it but spew your hatred with your dying brethren. I relish in your anger and frustration my good friend.
You’re not well versed with the Bible or Hebrew culture evidently.
Go and live in an Islamic country
Go and live in an Islamic country see if you last a few years
yes blame others that’s the way to win an argument, CIA hahaha let me guess you listen too Alex Jones and are a conspiracy theory nut.
what the fuck has racism got to do with it, maybe Rick is right you are a white, farm dwelling, sheep shagging, bigot.
The Arab spring starting in Tunisia was certainly starting from within. Libya is far more complex.it was a 50/50 state.some western help was used o cripple the country. All Chinese workers were leaving the country before the “no fly zone” was issued. Chinese govt took military boats. Their network knew that Gadaffi was not going to stay in power this time round.
The crusades were a defensive war against Muslim/Arab expansionism. the nature of subjecting non muslim citizens to 4th their citizenship in their own lands will always create conflict. do some research. Mohammad was a military general and merchant salesman. Jesus a carpenter. Which profession seems more peaceful.
Galileo does not change the general trend. The Catholic Church was a patron to science in ways other religions simply weren’t.
Defend Islam by defending Islam, not by bashing your heritage.
That is an incorrect interpretation of insan al kamil. Before we move forward if my username did not already make it clear, I am Muslim although I wouldn’t call myself totally religious. Now as for the concept of insal al kamil that does not mean the Prophets were free from any and all mistakes in fact by Muhammad PBUH own admission he was as human as the rest of us.
“I am only a human being like you. If I tell you to do something with regard to religion, then follow it, but if I tell you to do something based on my own opinion, I am only a human being.” Sahih Muslim 2361
This can also be seen in the battle of badr when he ordered the Muslim army to defend from one spot but when asked if this was a divine command replied no that it was just his opinion and was then told a better place to set up a defense which he agreed to.
Now back to insan al kamil and what it actually does mean is that they were perfected in matters of revealing the religion of God. Also you will notice I mentioned they, they being all the Prophets PBUT not just Muhammad PBUH alone. This is explained in these two links based on questions asked, http://islamqa.info/en/42216
http://islamqa.info/en/7208. Now you can still hate him as much as you want that is ok everyone has an opinion but I hope I have cleared some things for you.
Now I will admit there are some who say he was totally perfect and could not make any mistakes but they are mostly Sufis and even amongst them there are some who disagree.
That is not simple not true. One of God’s names as believed by Muslims is Ar Rahim which directly translates to the Exceedingly Merciful. It is also the name of God that is used at the beginning of every chapter of God but one to emphasis that God is indeed merciful to all his creation. Sheesh by all means hate but at least don’t be dishonest.
The fact that he referee to Paul for Saul’s actions let’s me know his Google Fu needs help.
The fact that he referee to Paul for Saul’s actions let’s me know his Google Fu needs help.
think of the great story that would have people telling their kids, of those nice Americans who burned their families alive with bombs, then forced them to become “civilized” I’m sure they would happily thank you and not want revenge
you do realize that if you believe that all Muslims are so rabid murder machines then logically they probably should have conquered Europe ages ago. Europe in the Middle Ages was in every way inferior to the Arab world, in Science, Literature, technology, organization, not murdering minorities. For that matter, why, if Muslims are so rabid killing machines, are there still Christian communities in the Middle East? These groups were actually better off under Arab rule than other Christians in the Middle Ages because they were part of the wrong sect. As for the Crusades were at best a 1.5/8 in successes and caused more harm to Christianity than good.
First off, the crusades were by and large utter failures, with one actually cripplling the Byzantine Empire and leading to the fall of Constantinople (4th crusade ftw)
Charles Martel beat back a small expedition of Arabs, if they had actually sent a major army Charles would have been toast. As for Vienna, the Ottomans were already running low on steam for invasions at that point.
But think and wonder for a moment if the Muslims were so determined to wipe out Christians, why so many groups have survived to present times? Why Christian holy sites have survived to present days in Muslim lands? Because by and large Muslim rulers have let them do their thing. Heck, the Coptics lived better under Muslim ruler for most of the centuries than under Byzantine rule (the Byzantines were part of a different branch so they tended to start persecuting the Copts)
even though I’m not a Muslim I would question that as Mohamed came from a family of traders, so suddenly going against his own city and upsetting the balance like that seems very strange for someone going simply for political reasons.
so with your logic the solution to a group of rogues would be to nuke three countries, kill thousands if not millions, and leave in their minds the image of the U.S. as a vengeful and rather arbitrary attack that likes to utterly annihilate any possible opposition. In effect, you would make the terrorists utterly right in their belief that their cause is justified
well the Crusades were actually really interesting and politically loaded, mostly horrendous failures. The Byzantine Emperor just wanted some troops to fight in Turkey and instead he gets this mob of barbarians going to take lands that had been conquered four hundred years before and then they refused to give it back to the Byzantines. Essentially this is like Colombia invaded the U.S. in the name of reclaiming Mexian land and then set up the state of Northern Colombia in the Western U.S.
hmm so we forget about the crusades and the decimation of the native americans started by christian missionaries
one point, modern western society is based on judeo-christian ideals. That is why orthodox jews are hated and real christians are shunned and replaced by nonsical band aid religious zealots (mormons, evangelicals other sects etc.).
Lastly, Jefferson owned several slaves, although he released them and adovacted the end of slavery, it was mostly based on economical and political reasons. Still “Jefferson expressed belief that slavery corrupted both masters and slaves alike, supported colonization of freed slaves, suspected that African-Americans were inferior in intelligence, and that releasing large numbers of such slaves made slave uprisings more likely”
I don’t know if you’ve noticed butPeople have been killing each other for as long as they existed, whatever the excuse was
– Today its the muslims, yesterday was the russians, the day before were the germans, al qaeda, the japanese, blablabla, next time it will be the teletubbies in some obvious media scheme. I hope you don’t swallow it
India is a peaceful, prosperous, modern nation today because the British empire ” forced them to become civilized”.
I mean no insult to Indian people, I run into a lot of them in my profession, and they are great people, I like them.
Before the British took over, India was overrun by tribal warfare, just like the middle east is today. Some civilization at gunpoint is what the middle east needs. Will it happen ? I do not think so. Queen Victoria had bigger balls than all of the current world leaders combined.
Muslims don’t believe in wiping out Christians and Jews. They believe in subjugating them.
Muslim rulers were happy to have large numbers of Christians and Jews in their lands paying the Jizya. The dhimmis were a valuable resource.
The battle of Poitier marked the high point of the Muslim invasion. Of course, it took another few hundred years of bloody battles to drive them out of south France and Spain.
Btw, you should know that Jesus is the greatest killer that ever set foot on Earth. Mohammad could not compare.
You are talking about biblical Jesus here, not Jésus from La Familia drug cartel?
Technically it is Europe and I still wouldn’t want to live there.
India as a united nation did not exist until after colonization, in the words of my poli sci professor, in all other cases India should not have worked. They are united almost entirely on a national idea of India beyond the Hindu and Muslim and other ethnicity.
And of course, Europeans already colonized Africa and the Middle East look how well that turned out. They arbitrarily drew borders on a map, set up countries where often the minorities were in a position to oppress the majority (who would then strike back at the minorities once they got into power). India is not successful because of colonization, it is successful despite it.
And I’m sure you would love for someone with better weapons to come to your country and show you their civilized path, treat you like a second class citizen, shoot you if you oppose them, use you for their own economic benefits all because they say it is for your own good.
Funny how you, in the same paragraph, imply that Jesus > Mohammed due to Jesus being a man of peace and Mohammed not, just two sentences after posting apologism for Christian holy wars.
And yet, during the Middle Ages, when the worldly power, influence and wealth of the Catholic Church was at its greatest, the Catholic world had a science output damn near zero. If it was such a patron of science, it was the most ineffectual patron in the history of patronage.
Europeans don’t seem to consider Turkey as Europe and any particular reason?
the Catholic Church was a patron of science and philosophers and thinkers actually had a good gig in the Dark Ages. Europe was essentially isolated from too much trade (that was not monopolized and expensive) so very little development occurred.
I visited my sister when she was living there. It has major identity issues, somewhat related to what we touched on. There is still a less-than-receptive traditional Muslim culture. It reminded me of Malaysia. I would still prefer Europe or Latin America.
And yet, the Dark Ages remained dark, relatively speaking. Again, what was the actual science output of the Catholic world during the Middle Ages? You know, during the time when Islamic and Chinese civilization were leading the world in science and innovation.
If what little science that did happen in medieval Europe took place under the aegis of the Church, it’s an incidental consequence of the fact that it was the only institution in Europe where literacy was common.
It’s quite telling that Charlemagne got renowned as a great patron of learning for having a few hundred books and being barely literate himself, while the caliphs in Cordoba and Baghdad had hundreds of thousands of books.
Because Europe was isolated from trading without going through Arab monopolies and shut off from the Classical world that the Muslims conquered (which accounts for their mysterious 300 year golden age which mysteriously dried up). Once Europe broke the Ottoman trade barrier it was over.
So muslims should modernize like britain, usa, canada and australia where women shit on men? Sorry, I don’t buy it, given the two alternatives, having a few crazies seems a small price to pay. Lebanon is a far preferable place to most anglosphere
LOL, its true, its true, muslims even have beef
Yeah but most the slavers and genocidal maniacs were also christians. Radical islam is a response to radical secularism. Islam wasn’t radical until the westerners started trying to shove down the throats of muslims equal woman rights horse shit.
Yeah go live in lebanon and have the time of your life, and come back to america and get arrested for grabbing a girls ass
I don’t agree with your messed racial views but you are right that we should draw a line down the middle and split it in two, half for the whites, half for the blacks. White nationalist finally got something right. If the 11 nations of former yugoslavia and 22 nations of former soviet union and the 7 countries of polish lithuania are so different that they do not get along and they are all white and very similar in languages, culture, religion, history and so on and so forth. Then how the hell are whites and blacks who are polar opposites in every realm of culture suppose to get along. How many years did the Brits spend killing each other for being the wrong type of British and the french and english hundreds years wars, and the vikings waring all over europe.
I believe modern America is designed to fail.
explain the crusades, inquisition and all the christian blood sports
North Africa
Hispania
Sicily
Corsica
Sardinia
Malta
The Levant
Armenia
Asia Minor
There is the list of territories lost by Christendom to Islamic conquest prior to the launching of the first crusade. The first crusade was launched in response to a request by the Byzantine Emperor Alexios I because the Muslims were knocking on the door of Constantinople, the heart of Eastern Christendom. The crusades were a brief counteroffensive by the Christians, after which Islamic intrusion into Christendom quickly resumed. Don’t talk like you could even name which century the first crusade was launched in without looking it up on Wikipedia.
Your situation establishes a false dichotomy- which isn’t the case in real life. But even sticking to that set of constraints, having women behave unfavorably is preferable to having severe restrictions placed on individuality. I personally don’t think anyone that hasn’t experienced both is qualified to make a judgement on the comparisons either.
If Europe needed to trade with the rest of the world to get its scientific revolution going, that’s a pretty good indication that it couldn’t get shit done on its own.
Medieval Europe was built on the ruins of the Western Roman Empire, that classical world was right there.
There’s nothing mysterious about the era of Muslim-produced science ending. Its greatest centres of learning (Cordoba, Baghdad, Persia) fell to foreign invaders.
But apparently, when Muslims produce scientific discoveries, it doesn’t count, Muslims are still inbred retrogrades. When Western civilization has abysmal science output for a thousand years, it doesn’t count because reasons.
Muslimk scientific achievements were often not produced by Muslims in the Middle East or came from them taking over advanced countries.
Every nation needs trade for ideas to flourish. You need a production surplus.
And where did the christians steal these from, these places were not christian until after 32 ad at earliest. And you fail to address the inquisition part and the part about christian blood sport invading all of africa, the americas and asia and murdering and burning and killing and raping and destroying native american and african and asian civilizations like the aztecs, the zulus the chinese and so on and so forth.
No having women behave unfavourably is the least favourabe option.
If that is what you ultimately value then you can find countries that offer what you are looking for. Why would you stay in the West?
You don’t know any history, just shut up. The Vandals were settled in North Africa by the Roman Empire, same for the Visigoths in Hispania, when the Roman Empire later converted to Christianity the faith spread throughout the regions it controlled. The same is true for the Eastern Church whereby the Eastern Roman and the Byzantine empire spread Christianity throughout the Greek Speaking East. By and large, Christian armies were not marching into non-Christian lands and forcibly converting the populations. Now, if you want to talk about the Northern Crusades where this actually did happen to an extent that’s another story, of course you didn’t even know about the Northern Crusades because you are a moron who is way out of his depth talking about shit he doesn’t know anything about.
I wont even bother to address the rest of your idiotic outburst, you are neither intelligent or educated enough for me to be wasting time attempting to cure you of your delusions.
You are the one saying muslim countries should change, so even if I move there you are still trying to change it here anyways, so I might as well stay here and fight th culture war
” By and large, Christian armies were not marching into non-Christian lands and forcibly converting the populations. ”
Tell that to all those MISSIONAIRES and religious warriors marching into the americas, africa and asia converting locals or forcing them to die.
Sources?
I don’t care if they change how they govern themselves. They may do as they wish within the confines of their own theocratic country as long as it doesn’t interfere directly with my life. However, some extremist groups like ISIS have openly stated that they have ambitions on taking their operations against the west for no reason other than the fact that we are not Muslims. That is unacceptable to me. At least AQI declared the reasons for their actions against the US were due to foreign policy- which is logical to me. The US does involve itself in other nations’ politics. Having animosity against me because they demand everyone else is followers of their religion is not an ideology I find compatible. I also find it amusing that you think Muslim countries are going to amend to western cultural transformations. Claiming to fight the culture war here in the west is a cop out. If you really believed what you say you would have left the west.
No because the wEst is spreading the culture wars world wide when Obola goes to west african islamic countries telling them to legalize homos. Uganda gets sanctioned for increasing penalties against homos, when the saudis hang and behead them. And no, muslims aren’t allowed to do as they wish in their own countries. if that was true colonialism and neo colonialism of today would not occur and the usa would not have bases in almost every muslims country.
The culture war needs to be fought here, because they are spreading their ideology world wide. Why are people wearing jeans in iraq if you are lying, why are homos popping up in lebanon?
You keep saying that Muslim scientific advancements were simply due to the conquest of advanced countries and claiming their achievements as their own. Yet, you chose to ignore the point raised by me earlier: Islamic Spain. Which, before the conquest, was a Visigothic kingdom. Tell me about how advanced, progressive and high-tech the Visigoths were. No wait, they weren’t, they got famous for wrecking Roman civilization.
The fact that Muslim conquerors turned such a barbarian backwater, one that had pretty much been the ass-end of the Roman Empire at that, into the most advanced civilization of the Middle Ages, quite conclusively refutes the pretext you and other haters like to use to dismiss Muslim scientific achievement.
And you sure have weird ideas on how scientific progress happens in the first place. You need a production surplus to be able to engage in science and such, but you don’t need to trade with anyone. What you need at the minimum is that the peasants produce more food than they eat, so that their work can feed the scientists so that they can concentrate on sciencey stuff. Europe certainly had no trouble supporting other non-producing classes such as fat clerics and expensively equipped knights.
And even if it were true, Europe was not forcibly cut off from trade by anyone. Nobody prevented them from trading, in fact the Italian Merchant Republics did quite regular and profitable trade with the Middle East.
The reason you refuse to leave the relative security of the west while championing the causes of ME muslim countries is simply hypocrisy. It’s the same lack of moral courage that modern feminists exhibit. You could easily join ISIS if you were truly willing. Perhaps you are a recreant and not willing to sacrifice for what you claim to believe in. At the very least you should be operating in a western sleeper cell.
The Aztecs? Well, in that case the Spaniards had lots and lots of very eager indigenous helpers who were tired of having their beating hearts ripped out of their living chests to appease the Aztecs rather vicious notion of a god-figure.
Yeah, it was a paradise before the white man showed up, huh? A paradise of human sacrifice.
BTW, the Inquisition had a total death toll of less than 3,000. Hell, that wasn’t more than a busy weekend’s work for the the Aztecs.
Oh, and I think the Chinese would find the notion that their civilization had been “destroyed” quite amusing.
But hey, keep swallowing that propaganda whole!
Rarely does one see such a purely distilled case of ethno-masochism. Boy, you’re a credit to your propagandizers.
You’re the one who started in with the childish, simplistic, “But they were baaad men!” crap. So of course you’re going to be responded to in like fashion. And then you bitch about that too? What an ‘effing balless wonder you are.
Whereas you are sophisticated enough to cheer as you are marginalized and replaced by hostile foreigners in land your ancestors have occupied since the end of the last ice age. The intelligence just shines through, I’m telling you! (Such a credit to your programmers. Propaganda works! It can even overcome the survival instinct – and you’re a prime example.)
Tell me, which of them is held up as “the perfect man” whom the faithful have a positive duty to emulate, hmmm?
Muslim spain being progressive is a well know lie. The Visigoths may have been barbarians but they controlled it due to a power vacuum.
And you’re mixing up time periods again.
The real issue of this argument is whether the Church was a patron to science. It was. That doesn’t mean it was rational or anything, it just means it did pay patronage to sciences the way most faiths dont.
To take Islam for example, Islam passed a doctrine which says there is no causality. Pretty much domming science in that nation.
Because the war is to be fought in the west behind enemy lines. In afghanistan you can do nothing. In America you can meet with decision makers, make donations, go on tv and make substantive changes. If I move to lebanon, there is no way to influence us foreign policy. If I am in dc, I can do fund raisers, meets with politicians and influence and make changes.
Why aren’t you in the us army. after all you, demand that I must join isis or some sleeper cell terror group just to not agree with the west. So you should be in an active military campaign in afghanistan or iraq? After all if you truly believe, why not sacrifice your life for you wondderful feminist usa government?
Why can’t you follow your own advice? The best way to win the culture wars is to beat it where it is spreading from, not where it is spreading to. And armed conflict would be useless as one man trying to fight a 1 million strong army. The most useful thing I can do is what I am doing and it doesn’t involve crimes or murder or killing.
I was an 18C for 5 years and found slaying savages in the ME to be one of the most enjoyable experiences of my life. Alas, savage slaying is a young man’s game and I am not young enough to do it as effectively as I once was.
I respect combatants in Iraq and Afghanistan for fighting us. They are justified in doing so as US forces were foreign invaders and taking issue with US foreign policy is completely justified. I refuse to respect the savages that demand all infidels adopt their culture. Which is precisely what the ISIS’ stated objective is. Which is what makes them different from other identified terrorist orgs. such as AQI, Taliban, Haqqani, etc. If you are trying to reduce US foreign intervention in other countries you have my full support. If you are trying to dictate cultural standards on me then I hope you are stopped.
The ME turned into a shithole after the British left, remained a shithole since. America didn’t help, but fault can’t be placed there, either. I’ve met plenty of decent Muslims in my time as a soldier and a contractor. But Islam? There’s a reason the Arabs stopped contributing anything of relevance to the world since Algebra, that the only reason anyone gives a shit about them is their oil. Cha-cha-CHING! Islam.
It’s a trash religion and contains nothing of value except for serving as an example of what a trashy, violent religion is.
India was unified under the Mughal Empire before the British came in
“India” developed an inherently hindu identity in opposition to Muslim Pakistans (E/W – E Pakistan becoming Bangladesh). Also India is a civilizational state akin to China or the EU, not a ‘nation’
Muslim here, came her to answer one thing.
We believe that no one should try to paint. or make the statues of the prophets, angels or Allah because in our view making pictures, statues and then praying to them is like praying to Idols.
Now, as you mentioned that a certain percentage of Muslims want the danish cartoonist punished – This is because we believe our Prophet should not be painted, drawn. It is a matter of our beliefs.
Christians have statues of Jesus Christ, He is as important to us as He is to Christians but we respect Christianity and their beliefs and I am sure you would have never heard about a Muslim trying to stop anyone making statues or paintings of Jesus Christ.
You know why is that? Because we respect the beliefs of others – you may think I am barbarian, you may think entire Pakistan, or entire Muslima Ummah is barbarian but I am sorry to burst your bubble, we aren’t.
Now you’d definitely say that it is that artist right to have freedom of speech, and we Muslims shouldn’t be so aggressive about it – right, totally right.
But which religion, or what code of ethics tells you that you are allowed to say whatever you want without any respect for other people’s beliefs?
Okay lets say the Danish artist didn’t know about our beliefs, or the fact that we are passionate about our Prophet and that we, Muslims, never draw him, or paint Him, but he did come to know of it after the publication of that cartoon in the newspaper.
He could have apologized for hurting so many people’s beliefs but he didn’t, he could have said that he was sorry his “truth” hurt so many people but he didn’t. This is common courtesy, isn’t it?
Charter of Declaration, outlines basic human rights, the last of which I believe is most important as it defines the extent of application of the rest of the articles.
Article 1:
All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.
Article 19:
Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.
Article 30:
Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.
I mentioned all the three articles, and want to ask you something.
If I know there is something you are passionate about, and if I insult your association with it, or tease you about it, you might get upset – should I still do it because I have freedom of speech?
You talk about terrorist groups which are largely made up of Muslim terrorists and a guy in the thread saw that people in ME were quite forgiving of such groups – well let me tell you that we are pretty forgiving of them in Pakistan too. You know why?
Because for 85 percent of Pakistanis, it is hard to even make 1 new dress per kid, on Eid (once in an year). Average pay per day after 12-16 hours of intense physical labour with no insurance, no goggles, no gloves, no helmets, is Rs.150. that is about 1.5 US Dollars.
500 families, that are 5 percent of Pakistan’s population rule the country of 180,000,000 – fuck me, because I don’t give a damn what terrorists are doing because I am more concerned about inflation, earning money, and trying to make my life better, all the while paying for my education in a country where there are no educational loans and if my GPA drops below 3.95, I am supposed to pay full fee of semester, that is Rs. 200,000 per semester in a reputable university.
Honestly what I, and every other Muslim I know want is that you just leave us alone stop poking us trying to elicit responses, what you see is not our anti humanistic approach to life it is the frustration that we have which channels to the world in case of events like this.
Anglos are the reason why satanism and comunism spreaded world wide since the spanish empire fell and letting the pseudo jews take over the western world, so they would prefer live in a femdom world than be in the shadow of the southern europeans, also the way you fight this world disease is the right one and was how the southern europeans fough the islamic threat in a way centuries ago.
God, anglos and germanic, scandinavian countries are the global bankster elite bitches, given that this seudo jew banksters primary ethnic origin are mostly of mediterranean descent than semitic or another caucasian denomination are playing very well those nations like Casanova is playing with women in the international geopolitical scene.
That’s a long run-on sentence that I cannot make anything out of.
“Now, as you mentioned that a certain percentage of Muslims want the danish cartoonist punished – This is because we believe our Prophet should not be painted, drawn. It is a matter of our beliefs.”
Everybody understands this. What you and other Muslims don’t understand is the concept of jurisdiction, the idea that you have no business imposing your religious laws on danish cartoonists.
” the trials in Salem were really about the jealousies among the teenage women in the area”
The trials were systematic land grabs by locals with connections. If someone from the Salem chamber of commerce decided that they wanted your land, then it was consorting with the Devil time.
The inquisitions – heretics and then later witches – were also nothing but land grabs.
The English made it illegal to free slaves.
Someone has been watching Mel Gibson movies, I see.
What you said is true to the T! This is the problem with all of the Muslims that they a) don’t understand the concept of jurisdiction (Territorial) and b) wish to punish everyone according to Islamic law. (Jurisprudence)
Now,
a) Islamic Law can only be enacted in an Islami state – a state which doesn’t even exist in this world. Islam doesn’t allow kingship (in case you thought KSA was an Islamic State), it doesn’t allow personal benefits, interests and vendettas to be involved in the legislature (Kings, enacted many laws to curb opposition, by misquoting the Shariah).
b) To Islam’s prescribed punishments, only Muslims can be subjected. Before you tell me that Apostates are to be killed (who are technically not Muslims and yet are supposedly are to be subjected to a punishment prescribed by Islam) let me assure you that many scholars have contested the killing of apostates in Islam, this is still something on which there is no verdict, jury os out. People who are killed are not because of their apostasy but their blasphemy (another thing on which there is no sure verdict, according to hadith or Quran)
[There is no proof that Muhammad SAWW ever ordered killing of apostates (the most quoted Hadith that people present as argument was about oath breakers who were damaging Muslims beyond any measure on social and economic grounds and happened to be apostates)]
The people, Muslim people, who don’t understand that and yet wish to “spread” Islam by taking arms, or by terrorizing other nations, are in no way to be regarded as Muslims. Their religion is terrorism, their religion is desire to rule, their religion is whatever their motives are; whatever cover they may use doesn’t make them Muslims.
Now, with all being said, premeditated attempts to insult someone beliefs is offending to the other person. It didn’t motivate every person to blow themselves up, but it did offend entire Muslim Ummah.
If, I ever did something like that, made a cartoon of your mother, or daughter, or maybe your wife, in the same position in which Muhammad SAWW was drawn, nude, exposed, in state of prostration – you may not try to hit me but you’ll definitely feel offended.
It is like this with us too. Your freedom of speech can’t subdue my right of believing whatever i wan to believe in and my right of getting offended if you insult my beliefs and try to shove it in my face.
There is no fact in what you said, just an opinion formed by stereotypes, a lack of understanding and research, and false pride.
Finally actual facts not based on prejudice.
80% Percent of convicted pedophiles in america are white. You can get scary numbers and make hasty generalizations with any race.
oh, really? Perhaps you are correct, but look at how accused men are being treated today in the USA.
@disqus_mElV7yBl5m:disqus Their is a simple answer to that that you hinted at. The Crusades. The Crusades were the counter strike to Muslim Invasion. While it none but the first drove muslims out of the Holy Land they did keep the Muslims from expanding further. They also secured Christian rights in Muslims states. That was part of the peace deals that ended up getting signed. That along with allows Christians to visit the Holy Lands without being captured and enslaved by Muslim Leaders. Have you actually studied the Crusades or are you just stating what some person told you about them while trying to demonize Christians?
You are thinking of Adams.
Between the US post-modern culture, and Muslim culture… I’m not choosing the US.
Then I think you are delusional.
You sure?
Still less scary than this :
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4A7rbK4HmQY/T6Al7VRd9-I/AAAAAAAAA4M/MK6d83fm3-k/s1600/fat%20girls%20at%20walmart%201.jpg
Lol! Saw my head off now.
Helmuth, I’m still hopping to find the time necessary to write an email about French nationalism, by the way.
Have you not emailed me yet?
The people destroying the very fabric of our civilization have nothing to do with religion. They are dwelling on a different plane. This girl is a just a disposable tool for them. So, let us not fight over religion and stray away from the heart of the matter.
I firmly believe that the politicians and the leftists they breed have no affiliation with any religion. Destroying the society is their only aim. Anarchy is what will help them in misappropriating taxes.
You are the typical brain-washed westerner and your bias is obvious. Christian dogma can be twisted to be just as violent, intolerant, or misogynistic as any Taliban radical. Watch this and you’ll see just how close the two religions are: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYV7KWQ-fY4
Yes, I would agree that it can and has been used as justification for violence however it isn’t currently used for stated purposes.
Then why propagate the idea that ONLY Islam is violent when what you’re really saying is religion is violent? You should thank secularism because otherwise we’d be living under Christian Shria laws.
For the obvious reason that currently ONLY ISLAM IS VIOLENT! Any forfeiture of rationale for an ideology CAN be dangerous. But currently I don’t worry about the most extreme Christians, Buddhists, Jews, Hindus, etc. pursuing means of bringing perceived infidels to justice with NBC devices. I do think that is a legitimate concern with Islamic extremists.
You’re a blue pill dumb fuck John. Time to pick up your ball and go home.
John needs to go back to being brainwashed by Foxnews.
It’s the Joos fault right Ruckus?
Haha, someone else said I was brain-washed by CNN. I guess a contrarian opinion MUST be induced by CNN or Fox as opposed to observation.
You are actually posting this on a story about a 15 year old who was shot by a Taliban.
Mike Brown had his hands up too…and Myers was just pulling a Sandwich out of his waist band.
Typical unaware behaviour. TUB.
Monotheism most certainly is their fault.
Partially yours for not questioning your conditioning, son. Oh and can’t forget the CIA too.
So western societal conditioning, Joos, and the CIA are making Muslims justifiably hostile? What about their hostilities to non-western entities?
No John, they are simply overstating the danger to whatever degree suits them. If they were completely peaceful, it wouldn’t work now would it? As a commenter on a manosphere forum, surely you are aware of the phenomenon of “plausible deniability”.
I know you’re blue pill, but surely at some point you’ve heard the phrase “never let a good tragedy go to waste” right…?
I never said that the populace wasn’t being manipulated. And I agree, some of their actions are justifiable blowback against the west. The premise of my position is that modern Muslims are dangerously ideological to a more severe degree than zealots of other religions.
And the Chinese invented gunpowder.
http://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/09/14/syria-more-beheadings-by-islamic-jihadists-warning-very-graphic/
http://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/10/01/syria-islamic-state-isis-beheads-7-men-and-3-women-in-kurdish-area/
http://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/10/01/muslim-children-being-trained-in-the-art-of-beheading-warning-graphic/
http://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/09/28/saudi-arabia-which-has-expressed-shock-and-disgust-for-all-the-beheadings-by-isis-is-one-of-the-worlds-most-prolific-beheaders-itself/
Zionist Jews are much more dangerous than Muslim extremists. Who do you think is creating the blowback in the ME and manipulating the populace here in the US?
And many of the banking elite (jewish background or otherwise) are satanic. The Rothschilds and ilk manipulated the world into WWII where 100 million people died. Again, more dangerous than the Muslims.
With friends like those who needs enemies?
Lolz Zionists need “enemies” to continue leeching our tax dollars and using our soldiers.
But the Chinese are the REAL culprits! They deliberately infected rats with the bubonic plague and then sent them on ships to Europe just to destabilize the region after they were weakened by the Mongols. And then they invented gunpowder with the implicit understanding that it would create chaos all over the world while they dealt with Mongols. And who do you think is buying a good percentage of the US debt and letting those Jews at the Fed? One guess, and it isn’t the Mongols… They’re preparing for WWIII and there is no way we will be able to stop them with all their computer programmers and engineers.
Yeah, but not as dangerous as Ebola. You know who created Ebola? The Chinese Joos.
You know who runs the CDC? Someone of your ehtno/religious background 🙂
And let me guess, you’ll be waiting in line to take the mandatory vaccines. Right?
Waiting in line?!?! No way, I had my vaccine months ago before my Chinese Joo banking buddies started this scare. They of course created a cheap temporary vaccine that isn’t nearly as effective but will produce nice profits margins once the Chinese Joo media led by Alibaba Group scares up a frenzy. You know how those Chinese Joos do.
Well CDC is the US national institute so of course it is “owned” by the US government- which we really know is a puppet for Chinese Joos.
It’s always hilarious how these people are completely unable to understand that there are other opinions available besides neoconservative war monger and lunatic lefty. Don’t support the Democrats, well you must be a right wing Republican! Don’t vote Republican? You must be a socialist Democrat. It’s impossible to have any other views. Simply impossible.
Hold on let me find the thousands of articles on the inquisition, salem witch trials, mccarthyism, southern lynchings and the million other violent acts in the name of christianity. Barbarism goes both ways when you’re dealing with fairy tale made up gods and man made books.
Sure Rick but while you’re at it could you help me find examples of modern Christians sawing heads off? You know, in modern societies? I can only seem to find videos such as the one below, where a Christian is forced to convert to Islam and gets his head sawed off anyways:
You clearly never heard of the Arab Slave Trade. There is a reason why few blacks exist in the Middle East. Also, invasion and forced enslavement, as shown by older texts, were common among Arab countries. There wasn’t any negotiation like with the Europeans; they basically invaded, killed, and took who they liked. Didn’t matter if you were noble or peasant, you were gone.
If Christians no longer do that kind of things, it’s because they have had their fangs pulled over the last few centuries and utterly lost their ability to impose their religion on others to that extent.
The Christians who claim moral superiority over the Evil Muslims (TM) for not beheading infidels are like a betabux-chump married to a post-Wall “reformed” slut, who thinks his loyalty towards his wife makes him a better man than the alpha playa, while the cold truth is that he is simply a man without options.
Oh please the only reason “modern” Christians don’t saw and lynch homosexuals, black people and atheists in western countries is because they live in a secular society that won’t allow such things, but they want that to change and would do it in a heart beat. Just look at how they blow up abortion clinics and assassinate abortion doctors. Hell, if it was up to right wing wackos Christians like Pat Robinson we’d live in a much different world. I’m alive because the secular government won’t allow you to kill me – not because there’s a shortage of Christians who would be ready, willing, and able to do it. Of that, I have no doubt.
The Leftist indoctrination is strong within you. First and foremost, you’re confusing “The White Man,” whom you clearly hate, with all Christians. The terms are not synonymous.
Secondly, how can you seriously watch those videos and compare Pat Robinson to Islamic radicals?! When Pat saws some child’s head off with a scimitar on live television, I might reevaluate my views. Until then maybe you should try reevaluating yours instead.
Lastly, I’m still waiting on those videos of modern-day Christians sawing heads off. In the mean time, below is yet ANOTHER video of Muslims stoning Christians. This time in Dearborn, MI, USA. So much for the secular government:
Yes and no. It’s a bit more complicated than that. For starters, Christianity had served as a buffer to Muslim expansion into Europe for centuries. The campaigns of Charles Martel and Leo III against the Umayyad Caliphate are a few of many examples.
Further, the West respected the church when it was beneficial to do so and not a second longer. If anything, I’d say Christianity’s decline in influence has less to do with decrepitude and more to do with the West abandoning the religion and morals of their fathers in exchange for the morals and ideologies of The State and its engineered social movements.
What we’re witnessing today is the feminized and atheistic West, versus the highly masculine Islam, with its deeply religious roots still intact, who are emboldened when they hear canned atheist/pacifist talking points.
Frankly, I don’t like our odds; Especially Continental Europe. The stage is more or less set for the West’s ultimate demise in the not too distant future much like the fall of the decadent Western Roman Empire primarily due to petty and continuous end fighting amongst themselves.
And christianity does not promote the killing of homosexuals? You and I are clearly reading different bibles.
That’s assuming that there is such a thing as the “true” essence of a religion in the first place. If you don’t believe a particular religion to be The True Religion in the first place, what basis do you have for asserting that any actual social manifestation of a particular religion is any more authentic than any other?
You can invoke the holy books of the religions and the example supposedly set by their founders, but that is a non-argument. Every adherent of every religion believes that *he* is the one who gets it right, and that he’s doing what Jesus/Mohammed would want him to do. That’s as true for Francis of Assisi as it is for Tomas de Torquemada, as true for William Wilberforce as it is for Jefferson Davis. And it’s as true for Osama bin Laden as it is for the imam of the Paris Gay Mosque.
As for your exhortation to study history, if you’d do that you might notice that during the Middle Ages, when the worldly influence of Christianity was at its all-time high in the West, the West was the absolute dung-heap of the Eurasian continent: Poor, violence-ridden, backward, intolerant, and with a science output damn near zero. Pretty much everything you imagine the contemporary Islamic world to be and despise it for. Whether Jesus would have wanted it to be that way is irrelevant, it won’t have any effect on the de facto situation of the society.
God is a metaphysical hypothesis, religion is a worldly social phenomenon. Religion is exactly what you make of it, nothing less, nothing more.
You have clearly never read the Qur’an, it is opposed to violence and encourages charity just as much as the Bible, Check your facts before you bash another religion and look like an idiot.
While I will agree that the state of the Mid-East is in part due to mis-interpretations and distortions of the Quran, Islam itself is plenty capable of being peaceful and equitable.
I’ve read the Quran. Lots of it is beautiful and ideal.
There are plenty of misogynist and anti-gay things in the Bible, and when either text is taken literally and complete in the absolute,
education is prevented and barbaric fundamentalist chaos reigns.
ALL fundamentalism; nuts and destructive.
ahlala, you clearly haven’t read neither the Quran nor the Bible nor studied history. Otherwise you will be speaking high level Arabic, Arameean and hebrew. I don’t think you do.
And I still don’t believe you tried to justify hiroshima and nagasaki, that’s kind sick
Seperation of church and state was done to stop the state from imposing on the church, not the other way around. So your subsequent analysis is off. It was the the religious refugees like the puritans who were intensely religious who wanted the state not to persecute them for their religion which were viewed as heretical. It wasn’t people in government scared of some religious order. Early America was a place that banned christmas because it wasn’t in the bible and has pagan origins.
2. Christianity is 600 years older than Islam. 600 Years ago Christianity was far more brutal than even the most radical ISIS warriors today, Christians use to burn people at the stake and throw children into waters to drown and die (in a time where most could not swim) claiming they were witches if they could swim and if they drowned were not witches.
“Witch swimming derived from the “trial by water,” an ancient practice where suspected criminals and sorcerers were thrown into rushing rivers to allow a higher power to decide their fate. This custom was banned in many European counties in the Middle Ages, only to reemerge in the 17th century as a witch experiment, and it persisted in some locales well into the 18th century. For example, in 1710, the swimming test was used as evidence against a Hungarian woman named Dorko Boda, who was later beaten and burned at the stake as a witch.”
http://www.history.com/news/history-lists/7-bizarre-witch-trial-tests
How can a religion where they serve you alcohol in church prevent alcohol abuse? How can monogamy be viewed as good when numerous church and religious leaders in the bible had multiple wives like solomon, moses, abraham, david, jacob, esau and gideon and so forth
“Holy Scripture states that King Solomon (THE POLYGAMIST), the wisest man in the world in all history, whom God used to write the book of Proverbs, the book of Ecclesiastes, and the Song of Solomon, “had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines” (I Kings 4:29-34, 10:23, 11:3).”
Really, monogamy? I think most secular members on this website would settle for 700 wives and 300 concubines in a “monogamous” relationship. The only people have sex with more than 1000 women are usually rock stars, ball players and porn stars.
3. Iraq cannot be built as a nation because of turkish and british colonialism which carved up a complex multi ethnic area and divided it into weird states based on resources extraction and political obedience. Kuwait exist solely to divide the oil of iraq. There is no such thing as ancient Kuwait. If the middle eastern people are left alone to redraw their own borders then the different groups can reorganize and form their own states around ethnic lines which would create the most peaceful countries.
If the Kurds had their own kurd state and the shia and sunni as well then the violence levels would be non-existent. But this would only work if the shia in iraq unite with the ones in iran. and the kurds in iraq and syria unite with the ones in turkey. And if the sunnis in iraq to egypt get to form a sunni super state. But this all goes against israel and us special interest to have massive muslim states comprised of the same peoples.
If the kurds get their own state and take half of turkey, our nato allies in turkey won’t like that and might flip to the russians.
Historically the saudis have been lazy and unintelligent. Any super sunni state would mean the iraqis end up over running the entire arab gulf. You know like saddam tried in 1991. If left to its own devise, the middle east would sort its own problems out in about 15 yyears. ISIS owuld take over, and you’d have a sunni and shia state and the war and violence would come to a halt.
Nation building in japan was possible because Half of Japan was not forced to live under chinese rule or vice versa, if manchuria was forced by usa to still be a japanese colony it would be far worse than afghanistan today. Also Japan was already a developed country before USA nuked it. Japan had balls they bombed pearle harbour (the only other country than britain and al qaeda to launch any kind of significant cross continents onto america). The Japanese already had a giant naval fleet, they manufactured cars, computers, airplanes, major warships and was one of 5 developed countries during WW2 (Japan, USA, Britain, france, and Germany). Hell them tojoes lasted longer than hitler did and beat russia in war.
Christianity and Judaism both are more moderate and less “fundamentalist” because the religions themselves have been largely altered since they were introduced with various vatican conventions, sects, and changes going back 2000 years. In other words, these are less the works of God written in stone (as Moses did) and more like constructive Democratic institutions at their best. Islam, however, states outright that changing it requires a penalty of death.
Most Christians are not even well educated about the primal tenets of their faith which is an apocalyptic religion (waiting for, and even seeking, the destruction of the world) and when people die, they don’t go instantly to heaven as many believe but rather sit in the ground in a sleeplike state and only later will be judged and go to heaven. Most priests and ministers let their flocks believe that their loved ones are in heaven looking down upon them. This is false.
Christianity is a lot like liberalism and even as liberals usually hate Christianity as a competitive faith, they share the same ideals of charity, community, and a shared utopian goal. It’s like protestants versus Catholics. And liberalism also has a lot of craziness about it much like Christianity has had. Instead of witches on broomsticks, it’s white males listening to Rush Limbaugh that liberals fear. Instead of Camelot, liberals yearn for Stockholm.
The purpose of Islam, much like leftism, is total victory at all costs and when total victory is achieved, only then can “peace” be had. This is the same philosophy as Christianity’s apocalyptic vision but most Christians have largely abandoned it making it largely harmless. Christians are willing to alter their faith even as they claim to believe in it. It’s much like the Pope declaring that what was a moral sin only a few decades ago is now not a sin at all. THAT is a big deal. It’s something Islam and leftism are incapable of achieving.
When will you people understand ISLAM IS NOT THE PROBLEM. In any case when you have a population mostly governed by religion things can start to go wrong very quickly. Radicals of any religion will start to spawn, and then you have a problem of liberties and beliefs. If you think the problem is Islam, then how would you even propose a solution? Mass Genocide? What you wanna try and convert them all?
I know an other cult. Much older.
They cut the tip of their boys penis, and their priests sometimes suck the blood out of it. If that’s not medieval to you …
Strangely they seem to get away more easily with bombing civilians, than the ones you’re referring to.
HIrsi Ali barely managed to squeeze out one kid, at the age of way past 40. Most women in Muslim countries have 10, while at an age optimizing their kids
for health and strength. That should tell you all you need to know about who’s cult is crazy, and who’s is atoned to actual reality.
Medieval cult hmm. So where does that leave the other “cults”, christianity, paganisim, daoism, hinduism, judaism, confucianism and all there other offspring sub cults (orthodox, evangelism, anglicanism etc.), or my favorite feminism.
“The real root of the problem”, why not attack Saudi Arabia, they seem crazy enough. Oh I forgot, they are allies, and give us oil and money.
I thought the real root of the problem was you know, lack of resources and “real freedom” and over exploitation and dominion that breaths hate.
But thats just secondary, you can’t put that in a hollywood plot. Not dramatic enough
http://gulfnews.com/polopoly_fs/1.146568!/image/2922911301._gen/derivatives/box_475/2922911301.
The cult mmuslims are probably pointing at feminist america where shows like 20/20 show how a man can be thrown in jail and blacklisted from his employment from ADMITEDLY FALSE ABUSE ALLEGATIONS because police assumed the woman was honest and the man was lying. He lost his 6 figure insurance job and the woman is doing 9 years in prson for slaming her face in a door and having the man arrested 5 times. His current empoyer fired him, BUT he still CANNOT GET A JOB, in anything outside of landscaping or construction because no employer is going to believe that a man arrested 5 times was falsely arrested 5 TIMES.
sO ISLAM is a crazy cult, but its hard to say they are worse when in our country men go to jail for owing women money or false accusations from woman that are proven false, can ruin you for life even if she is caught and goes to jail
Tom Leykis also needs to be awarded a Nobel Peace Prize. He is a true visionary and hero. Do you know how many mens lives he has saved?
I’m being fucking serious!
The Nobel Peace Prize need to give this man the award.
I agree, listening to Leykis 101 helped pull me out of some pretty dark moments. Sometimes reality hurts, but you need to hear it, hiding from reality hurts more. I think ‘Dad’ Leykis will be one of those figures who is more popular after his death than in life.
The Nobel Peace Prize has been a joke since it was given to the savage terrorist Yasser Arafat.
‘Education.” What a load of bullshit. I doubt she has even read one chapter from a book written before 1850. What kind of education is she pushing? STEM shit? It’s my firm belief that one cannot be truly educated until he has at least had a brief survey and sampling of the Western literary canon. It is impossible to understand Western society without reading these books.
I agree. This prize is a complete load of bullshit in this case, and this girl makes me ill. I am getting to the point where I feel pissed off every time I see her picture.
First of all, it makes sense to award it to someone who has accomplished something significant, or made a genuine, sustained effort towards promoting peace. Her accomplishment was to have the bad luck to be shot n the head, then to allow herself to be used as a puppet by her parents and the media, not that I suspect she had much choice.
Second, she’s a perfect vehicle for media exploitation. She can’t really speak for herself, she’s a powerful tool for fundraising and influence-increasing, and she can take a high moral tone without coming across as preachy or alienating the audience that money comes from. It’s impossible to verify, comment on or know anything about what actually happened to her — maybe the Taliban shot her because she was running guns, or was the town bike, or maybe she doesn’t actually give a shit about being educated. Who knows? It’s a classic tactic to claim to speak on behalf of people who can’t speak for themselves, then use their words for your own ends.
Finally, it’s disgusting to see her win this prize because it’s really watching someone being manipulated and used, in slow motion. She thinks it’s great, of course — plane rides! Speeches! A book! Nice clothes! Fame! But who’s really driving this all is her parents — probably her father.
It’s also worth noting that she didn’t actually write the book she’s being paraded around for. It was written be a female (of course) British journalist named Christina Lamb, who has also written about not regretting her decision to have a son, then take off to cover wars. In other words, the actual writing was done by a feminist who abandoned her son (who, of course, didn’t have a say in the decision) to go write newspaper articles. Malala hasn’t actually written much of anything.
Notice much of a pattern here?
Don’t forget the $1M.
The liberals seem to be leveraging the “woman’s rights” issue for a reason for our continued involvment in the WOT. She is a pawn in a propaganda war. We aren’t fighting anything but manufactured terrorists to erode our freedoms. Western governments seems to have declared war on their own people, the Militant Muslims are the fools taking western money to play the bad guys. There is plenty of information that we fund coups, revolutions and actively destabilize governments predominately for corporate and banking interests. Ideology simply being a tool to align people to do the dirty work.
She is a coward, ok, not a surprise. But it is the hypocrisy what I do not tolerate.
And I think that the main point here, is that she did not had the moral to refuse a recognition she did not deserve. By accepting it, she accepted the praise and proved that she does not have much of neither, humility nor morality. Which is not a surprise either. In some sense she is just a kid being used.
There are other controversies about Nobel prizes, like Henry Kissinger, a genocide expert, and of course, a Nobel Peace prize winner.
Kudos to you Billy. I didn’t bother much about the story, but I was (to some extent) convinced that what she did was courageous. You have shed a new light on this matter and I am grateful for that… This was a good reminder to be critical about everything the media forces you to believe.
Anyone who receives this award is a joke anyway. Peace is relative term that is defined differently depending on the situation.
For some, peace merely means the other side is wiped off the face of the Earth.
The actual terms in Alfred Nobel’s will, which stipulate on what basis the Prize is to be awarded, make it abundantly clear that the Genghis Khan Peace Plan doesn’t qualify you for it.
Recipient*
Maybe she’ll follow in Obama’s steps and they’ll give her a black belt in tae kwan do for nothing too.
lol at this article. She went to Birmingham, this is an area with a very large asian and black population, she probably isn’t living in a white area. Also the UK isn’t a christian country the majority of people are secular.
Why do dumb ass Americans try and push their limited world view on Europe?
I’m not sure Chubbs is a white American.
Anyway, she’s taken a bullet for her cause. That’s no small thing.
Fuck off. And stop making shit up. From the article….
“While Malala was laughing, playing and enjoying the safety of receiving
an education in a predominantly white country found upon Christian
morals…”
If you bothered to read any of Chubb’s other articles you’d know he’s Canadian, dumb ass.
Shooting a weak, female teenager in the head is nutless and cowardly but so is allowing post pubescent women to entertain notions of “having it all” via feminist riddled education systems. This girl wasn’t being taught homemaking or a proper and reasonable subordination to her societal norms. She’s every bit as nauseating as the femen cunts snail trailing their way across Europe. To say that this little cunt did anything other than pitch an entitled fit to keep on her path to a university women’s study program, is being entirely disingenuous. She’s a mouthy little asshole who made herself a target. It’s like a dumb slut in a miniskirt walking down a dark alley in a ghetto – WTF did she think was gonna happen? Why do we have to continue to exalt higher education for women and girls when this is problem in and of itself. Scarce higher education resources expended on the intellectually inferior sex in 3rd world nations is the most sickening atrocity I can pretty much think of. Fuck this walking clay pigeon and her hollow, laughable accolade.
What she did was SMART it was not HEROIC…. but she is now acting as if she is a HERO thus she deserves the hate of this article.
I don’t know if I would even call it smart. Its so obvious only a suicidal cretin would hang around poking the Taliban bee hive after already being shot in the head.
I mean fleeing the country. Not all that other shit.
That’s what I meant too. I’m just saying you don’t need to be clever to run away from a man with a gun.
Tell that to Vonderrit Myers or Mike Brown…
Mike Brown ran away.
Summed it up perfectly.
Her seduction by the left and the media is a recurring theme. They need their mascots to further their agenda.
Looks like she’s already hit the Wall at 17! OK, the injury might have affected her health, but there is a reason these girls need to be married off young
Imagine if Ghandi tried to achieve independence from the safety of the United States of America.
Ghandi would have mysteriously gotten in an “accident…”
The Brits were never going to a execute Ghandi. Ghandi called for independence in a cotton mill in Lancashire. The workers should have chased him out.
She’s not much safer in the UK quite frankly. I would not be surprised if another Paki shot her. She’s about as brave as Salman Rushdie. No more no less.
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/11/malala-nabila-worlds-apart-201311193857549913.html
im tired of people in the manosphere insinuating christianity is this peaceful, uplifting religion compared to islam. when adhered to in truth, its just as brutal as islam. the only difference is that the cultures leading christianity currently live in first world countries, and the cultures leading islam live in third world countries.
ever heard of the crusades? the inquisition? the dark ages? christianity is just as barbaric as islam
I’m indifferent to all religions and agree that Christianity went through a period of brutal violence. However, the willingness of modern Muslims to impose their religious convictions on non-believers should terrify any logical person given the technology potentially available to them. Look anywhere on the planet and Muslims have conflicts with other religions.
the difference that “modern” muslims are only modern in the sense that they live in the “modern world.” but religiously, they are no more modern than midieval christians. the culture is the problem, not the religion.
as a disclamer, im agnostic.
Medieval Christians were not backward savages. They were cornered by backward savages, then one of them sailed west.
Yes, it is a cultural issue but the religion holds the culture back. Which is something I think we both agree happens more often than not when culture identifies so strongly with religion.
i would argue that quality of life holds back culture, which holds back a peoples interpretation of religious texts. i believe thats where you and i disagree.
i bet all those witches really had them on the ropes.
My problem with that conclusion is that most of the extremists groups’ leadership is educated and has a comparatively good quality of life. Yet, they are still willing to pursue their Jihad and sacrifice their well-being to promote an ideology.
leadership education and quality of life is not indicative of a peoples education and quality of life. the masses need to live well in order for a culture to change. not to mention the leadership of poor countries (poor as in the median poverty of a country, therefore a few oil mongols dont count) is usually incredibly corrupt.
that, and the fact that culture changes happen in a span of generations of people, not so much in a single person. the new generations are what spurs a culture to change.
Nothing wrong with burning big mouthed bitches.
Yes, I agree there are some socio-economic problems that can dampen the extremists’ messages and recruiting in some geographic locations but not entirely. If you look at the hijackers in 9-11 for instance, 15 of 19 were coming from Saudi Arabia, a country with a very high standard of living. All were educated, some in the west even. And yet the message of jihad still resonated with them and continues to with other educated muslims. The most damning evidence against Islam that I have observed is the acceptance of extremists. The Westboro Baptist Church here in America is vilified by all other Christians. That kind of outrage simply isn’t openly present in ME culture.
The Jihadist often has an advanced engineering or medical degree.
When a man becomes serious about Christianity he often gives up worldly things.
in islamic state, even if you’re a muslim you can still got beheaded for doing trivialities that offend islamic sensibilities. soooooo, imagine what fate those good moslems can consign you to for being an agnostic?
The Crusades were a very delayed response to 400-500 years of Arab attacks on Syria, Palestine, Egypt. Cyrencia, Anatolia, Greece, Libya, Carthage, Cyprus, Crete, Crimea, Georgia, Sicily, Rome (sacked by Arabs) Spain, France… It took the Christians 400 years to imitate the institution of Jihad in their Crusade.
In that time Christianity was chased out of the land of its birth. Islam also chased out Buddism from the land of its birth. Ever heard of Bamiyan?
The inquisition was for the most part an attempt to ferret out Muslim and Jewish collaborators who had oppressed Spanairds for nearly a millenium under the Caliphate in Spain.
It’s also important to point out that Mohammad was a mass killer. Jesus was essentially pacifist (one exception was attacking money changers[bankers].)
Hey Torquemada, whaddya say….
(sorry that popped into my head)
Ancestrally he was Jewish anyway. The more things change the more they stay the same.
the only difference between muslim takeover of christian lands and christian takeover of pagan lands is that the pagan religions didnt survive the encounter long enough to reclaim their lands.
the holy lands are claimed by christianity, judaism, and islam, so pointing the finger and saying “they took our stuff” is only half the story.
you point out that muslims and jews oppressed christian spaniards, but leave out the fact that the spanish inquisition in turn oppressed jews and muslims. many were forced to “voluntarily” convert to christianity under threat of death. some who refused were killed. many were exiled from the country they were born in.
i care less about what a religions messiah did, and more about what a religious people do
Christianity has a half god/half man born from a virgin who resurrected and performed miracles. Ritually speaking it’s Pagan Cliff Notes. Christ originally looked a bit like a teenage. Dionysus in the first images of him. By 600AD he looks like Zeus with a beard and toga. Then you begin to see Madonna and Child… That’s Isis and Osiris. Even the crucifixion is reminiscent of Celtic wickerman burnings.
Islam is basically inhuman and so iconoclastic that it blots out history in an attempt to start a year zero as soon as it gains political hegemony in an area. If you went on a dig in Mecca or Medina you’d see Christian mosaic and all sorts of cool stuff.
all youre pointing out now is that christianity was smart enough to canabalize the major religions it took over in order to convert people easier. that does not refute the fact that christians took over lands of other religions and killed those religions off.
Christianity resembles prechristian European religions far more than it does the Desert piracy of either Judaism and Islam.
Even kept the Roman Imperial cult with the Pontifex Maximus.
The difference is that between conversion, which happened under peaceful circumstances for the first century or two: market of ideas…and that of conquest by the sword in settled area after area. The Egyptian Christians expected the desert pirates to assimilate to local religious customs, like every other Barbarian had done so. The Spanish and Cyrencians expected the Arabs would do what the Germanics and Huns had done in previous centuries: Conquer and then adopt the manners of the conquered. Islam is unique in its obliteration of all traces of conquered cultures. Even the Mongols became Chinese with a century.
If not for the Crusades you’d be etching your post on a stone tablet using stylus, in Arabic.
insinuating that we wouldnt have the technology we have today if islam became the dominant religion of europe is like saying we wouldnt have that same technology because the dark ages happened. large scale control of information always collapses after a time.
in addition, some of the ancient muslim empires were much more friendly to the sciences than christianity has ever been.
ROFL… yes because there’s lots of science and engineering marvels coming out of moslem countries.
ancient muslim empires, bud. pick up a history book.
I did. That’s why I said what I did.
try flipping it right-side up and reading it this time. ancient arabic empires lead the world in science, engineering, art, and warfare for a long time.
Wow… I had no idea Ben Affleck had an account here!
Go ahead, defend these savages.
most of the scientific progress the muslims claim as their own are often stolen from the Greek and Byzantine and other greater empires that came before them. they translated many of these works and in some cases rediscovered things that had been discovered by the greeks hundreds of years before…as for persia, it’s peak was well before islam and the same can be said about most of the middle eastern countries from carthage to Assyria and Babylon and Sumer and many many others
most was stolen from the empires and civilisations they conquered
Lol.
The Caliph of Al Andalus could have taken his lantern sail Ships to the West Indies, no problem man…except he wasn’t intellectually curious or scientifically minded. Any one of the Muslim rulers of Al Andalus could have simply sailed west and tipped geographical understanding on its head. Moroccans and Algerians, not to mention Ghanans etc could have struck out for discovery and adventure. Instead of that they Muh Dikked all the way into Europe until the French hit them back enough that the enslaved Spanish revolted. Once the Spanish got the Muslim monkey off their collective backs they sailed west, and the Portguese sailed south. The West Indies discovered and the Cape of Good Hope mapped. It must burn up Muslims with fury that Allah saw fit to gift the Western Hemesphere to Infidels.
None of which appear to have had the bright idea to simply sail due west from Cadiz, or any port on the west coast of Africa.
While Muslims were busy enslaving Europeans on their sugar plantations in Cyprus, Egypt, Andalusia and Mesopotamia and Cyrencia and sticking the rest in galleys the Vikings were settling in in North America and navigating the great rivers in the Russian interior.
Tell me about intrepid discovery and heroic struggle again?
Ever notice all those ancient Muslim scientists were within 2 generations of the Muslim takeover of North Africa? Once the people are fully assimilated into Islam, they became totally worthless.
And yet, the high point of medieval Islamic civilization was Al-Andalus, both when it came to scientific achievement and prosperity. Tell us about the advanced, prosperous civilization the Visigoths built there prior to the Islamic conquest of the plate.
tell me: did whitey’s 100 patents to invent what would become the internet, the very internet you doubt whitey’s power on, would’ve been invented by the arabs? by the way, the arabs stole 0 or null-set from the Indians.
if you read about the crusades, it was merely about taking back lands that were invaded by the scourge of islam…nothing wrong there
The funniest thing about this all and something many readers on rok do not know but would probably find interesting is that in Pakistan she is not well liked because of the fact that she did not return and that her work has done little to change the fate of the girls who shared her ordeals. A lot of the criticism in fact comes from Pakistani women ironically the same women she is supposedly helping by going on her western tours and speeches.
Like that town in Indonesia where obama went to school. They erected a statue of him after he got elected. Then tore it down a few years later after they realized he wasn’t doing anything for them. lol
Hakeem, that’s exactly my take on it.
Aside from abusing publicity and not actually doing anything productive for her cause, I can’t find much reason to dislike her. Can’t blame a 17 year old girl for not going back to a shit-hole like Pakistan especially after getting shot for god’s sake. She should definitely be self-aware that she’s not doing anything but raising awareness and not straight up lie about going back.
Pakistani here. Can attest to the fact.
Pakistani here. Can attest to the fact.
If she was a trained soldier or adult with direct access to resources I would agree with you but tactically speaking for her cause she’s doing the right thing.
It sucks on one hand but on the other, she seems like a pretty big walking target, and what can she do there?
There aint money there, just dudes trying to kill her and people in shit circumstances like she use to be.
Being a spokesperson drums up wayyy more attention than going back to the shit hole, and in the long run strategically speaking is a better use of her voice then sticking it out there in Pakistan.
If she was a trained soldier or adult with direct access to resources I would agree with you but tactically speaking for her cause she’s doing the right thing.
It sucks on one hand but on the other, she seems like a pretty big walking target, and what can she do there?
There aint money there, just dudes trying to kill her and people in shit circumstances like she use to be.
Being a spokesperson drums up wayyy more attention than going back to the shit hole, and in the long run strategically speaking is a better use of her voice then sticking it out there in Pakistan.
No problem with her staying put in England but she cannot stay put in England and then talk about being courageous at the same time. I think that is what Billy was trying to point out that her choice to stay abroad was smart for her considering the fact that the Taliban wanted her dead but not the brave decision.
When she first got shot all of Pakistan rallied around her and the public perception of the Taliban was at an all time low because of their decision to try and kill her. Her returning would have dealt a huge psychological blow to the militants as the whole country would have had her back and killing her then would have shattered what remnant of support they had left amongst segments of the people. Remember this war is also about hearts and minds, a common tactic of these groups is to show that they can provide better governance and opportunities to the people then the government itself, by trying to shoot her their school closures in Swat came into the national spotlight and they literally shot themselves in the feet. She could have then also really made a difference in terms of schooling for girls in the country. However she did not come back and after a while despite her message resonating abroad little progress was made on the ground in Pakistan itself, in fact more schools have closed down in Swat since the shooting. That is why she has unwittingly became a scapegoat to the failures of the government so while Pakistan as a country was proud and celebrated her Nobel prize the perception about her is still largely polarized.
Not only that but the talibs and their priestly cohorts have twisted the narrative around her to make her look like a western tool in their new propaganda statements which for people on the ground who are poor and do not have access to the amount of information we do can be quite convincing as to why they shouldn’t care about her or her message.
With respect, she is not liked in Pakistan because she is a high profile example of how shit it is to live there.
Yeah because before she got shot there was nothing but raving reviews for Pakistan in the media.
I get where you’re going with this but fuckin A man, she’s still a kid. I think you’re criticism of her is a bit harsh…we were all teens once a highly impressionable, she’s just parrotting the talking points they congratulate her for.
True. But I do not think the author is harsh in his criticism. The girl is enjoying every bit of attention she is getting and absolutely does not give a shit about the plight of girls under Taliban’s control.
Taliban may be barbaric in their methods but they surely understand biology, sexual dimorphism and gender roles.
Asia and South America are under attack. Leftists are sharpening their axes.
What burns my ass like a 3′ tall flame is that the Western feminists think “education” is some kind of end all be all for all the world’s ills.
But we know exactly what, and from who, this “education” is going to be, don’t we?
It’s not going to be enlightening useful education. It’s going to be the same shit that churns out empty female heads (and all too many male heads now) with useless degrees and a lifetime of being a cubicle rat and corporate slave.
What is it with this latte-slurping urban cubicle life that the feminists worship so much that they have to actually care about it going on somewhere else? Or would such foisting of their lifestyle and ideals (including wrecked families) be the goal of the corporations that fund them?
What do the Islamic states have in common? They are not under the central banking system. They also have – horror of horrors – families. That’s not good for the centralized banking of the west. Not good for corporations.
So our bankster run government will fund and equip the worst of the worst. Then go in later to bomb them.
And women like this Nobel prize winner are just another weapon in this war to “westernize” (now it’s a dirty word especially for those of us who live here) and “bring democracy”.
She was a weapon and got treated like a weapon. The Taliban would not have much clout normally were it not for Western funding and cable TV – yes Cable TV – how many episodes of Honey Boo boo and Jersey Shore have they seen? Just one look at a fat legged tatted up Americunt would inspire any man to fight against the west.
“What do the Islamic states have in common? They are not under the central banking system. They also have – horror of horrors – families. That’s not good for the centralized banking of the west. Not good for corporations.”
The Muslim countries with the most power in the ME are all well invested internationally and have no desire for the system to change.
“The Taliban would not have much clout normally were it not for Western funding and cable TV – yes Cable TV – how many episodes of Honey Boo boo and Jersey Shore have they seen? Just one look at a fat legged tatted up Americunt would inspire any man to fight against the west.”
While you could argue some of the top level leadership is well aware of western culture, the average “taliban terrorist” is more primitive than you could imagine. Literacy rates are ~50% and life expectancy is below 50. The fewer Muslims in this world the better. Nothing is more dangerous than a primitive mindset with moral justification for killing perceived infidels that don’t subscribe to their beliefs.
I expect you to post pictures of you there, in uniform, putting your money where your keyboard is.
I already did my stint there. And knowing I did it in the service of a cuntocracy, if I could have every minute of that time I served back, I would take it.
If you are not already in uniform, then you need to sign up. Go on. Just tell the recruiter to skip the sales pitch and give you the forms and they’ll do that in a minute.
There you go. Even complete with thought bubbles. We were handing out weapons to the Afghan Local Police and doing payroll.
Yes but now I get to tell you that you are an underpaid mercenary for the banksters who run the same system that cunted up your country. This makes it only that much more sad, for you are no better than the beta chump who keeps talking about how great being married is even when he had gained nothing from it.
Though for individuals who do a military career for their personal gain, perhaps as a career boost or for ed benefits it’s not a bad thing.
But don’t buy into the crap. And that’s what you are doing. And rarely do I meet someone who was there spewing crap about how we need to maintain this war. That’s for wonks in DC.
You should know better than most people what a line of bullshit this is but to adopt the blind rhetoric of your masters only makes you a tool. if you get your eyeballs blown out of your head or your legs blown off how many of these high SMV American princesses would at least give you a sympathy fuck for your service?
Ah well. Maybe you are still too young.
1. I’m out and never had an interest in making a career out of it. But I enjoyed the people I worked with and the experiences I had.
2. It wasn’t like I was some canon fodder 11B. I was an 18C which helped me secure my current position. Because of that background, I can easily contract for very lucrative positions domestically or overseas. If I really wanted to, I could sit at a desk and collect $100k doing intel work. That background set me up very nicely.
3. Being on an ODA, I had no illusions about what we were doing in the world. And where did I ever say OIF or OEF were worthwhile endeavors? My other comments on this piece reaffirm that opinion.
4. I got paid quite well in fact. Especially at my age and on certain missions where we got per diem. I was saving ~40% of my money when domestic and over 85% when deployed. I set myself up quite comfortably for the future.
Exactly.
2/10, WNB
They used to give Nobel Peace prices for life-long achievements of some kind. Now all it takes is to be shot at and give a few scripted speeches. And for Obama all it took was to be elected – never mind the fact that he just continued Bush’s policies without much of a change.
And Malala was not some poor girl – she is the daughter of a wealthy owner of several private schools in the region. I guess his business is exploding now. And let us not forget the 2 other girls wounded in the attack, who are of course forgotten since their fathers were not important figure-heads in the region.
I feel like you’re giving this girl too much shit, but yeah, she certainly doesn’t deserve a nobel prize.
She’s the feminist equivalent of a Muslim suicide bomber…
Fuck her.
Malala is a victim of circumstance doing what it takes to survive. I don’t think that makes her a coward or a role model. Its not her fault they gave her the peace prize. She didn’t ask for it. Could she declare there is a woman in afghanistan who is more worthy to receive it? Yes, but then that’s like putting a death sentence on that woman. So what is she supposed to do? She is just a walking talking symbol of all the women who were killed who can’t speak for themselves, don’t over-think it.
I’m not going to judge the girl. I just want to say on the very dismal chance I would win the Nobel Prize I’d be strongly tempted to refuse it. Who wants a prize Al Gore and Barack Obama could win?
The nobel peace prize has become ‘aspirational’. Its become an empty vessel in which the givers of the prize pour their dreams. Mother Teresa was the last worthy recipient. She went into the streets and rescued people.
And she was panned by Christopher Hitchens for it.
I could understand where you’re coming from thinking this, but put yourself in her shoes. She got shot at 15…. Would you wanna go to where you got shot at 15, knowing they still want you and no matter where you go in the country, you’re not safe? I didn’t think so.
Absolutely true.
She would not want to go back. She surely would want to fight back thusly:
She would want to stay in 5 star hotels, eat the best food that is available, sleep in the cosiest bed, every now and then go on a world tour…
And getting a million dollars for suffering all that is mentioned above is the shot in the arm she needed.
The author is talking about how she has become a poster girl for the pc world, the same pc world that criticises the west, despite the fact that the west and those countries that adopt the policies of the west most closely are the most successful and best countries to live in.
Finally, someone said it.
Incidently, the hospital in Pakistan treated her fully and no further treatment was needed.
She was sent to the hospital in Britain for publicity purposes; little publicity for her in Pakistan. It was a stunt by the then government.
Just a shit colored rat living off of the white man’s dole.
From this comes, nice girrrrrl
Wtf are Trotsky and Lenin doing on the podium face?
Damn. That was a Hitchens-style takedown of an undeservedly revered public figure. Good job, Chubbs.
It’s certainly not Hitchens-style.
Hitchens loved Muslim women who essentially went apostate with Islam.
Hitchens reserved his Judeo-Ire for Croatian Nuns who set up hospices for the terminally ill in shit heap Islamified cities like Calcutta. His Judeo-beef with her was caring for the terminally sick. Yay Hitchens. What an Anglo-Judaic troll he was.
What about all those white British girls raped in their native country by Pakistani immigrants? What country should they be spirited away to where they can live out their lives free from Islamic patriarchy? The issues with immigration to the UK are being washed over by this prize-winning refugee.
In just about every Western European nation too. How in the hell can the left justify women’s rights in this case but encourage immigration from people that rape white western females? That is some crazy shit.
Malala is given Nobel Peace prize on the same filmsy logic for which Barack Obama was given Nobel Peace prize.
And she is a big fraud made so by her mastermind father.
She hit The Wall before 17? I know it’s improper to say, but I’ve noticed a lot of these Afghani and Paki broads start off pretty cute in their early teen years and really fucking hit The Wall before they’re… 17. Sheeit, that’s fucked. Compare first pic “I don’t mind having to sit on the floor at school…” Ahhhhhh so adorable. Then next one.
Not that it matters for them. Lottsa thirsty betas in the sea! And now in the West, why not get fat too, it’s beautiful and you deserve to be worshiped.
The life expectancies in remote areas are optimistically 50. They go through mid-life crises before they turn 20.
Some of the Yazidi girls from iraq look sexy as hell. I guess Kurds are quite a different lineage from arabs. I see footage of these tan/light brown girls with green eyes theyre sexy.
Considering theyre being slaughtered and too poor to leave their kurdish section, doubt I’ll ever meet one. Id be looking forward to the first article “how to bang a yazidi slut”
I listened to one of her speeches. She’s young, and her most formative and defining experience is of surviving getting shot in the head for writing a blog on education for girls. The impression I got was of a young but over-confident young woman who a) believed bullets can’t hurt her and b) had interpreted those bullets as underlining the significance of what she has to say. In short speaks as though she’s on a mission from God. She’s not the first person to believe such a thing, but one could question whether that’s a healthy state of mind for someone that young.
A woman needs an education like a fish needs a bicycle
If the men choose to be barbarians, there is really nothing the women can do about it.
The problem of muslim extremism could have long been solved. Ever seen footage of how Japs and Krauts were engaged during world war 2? Viciously and decisively to say the least.
That was before politics were about feeeelings, instead of doing what needed to be done to save democracy.
Ww2 was about making Europe safe for Achmed and Oliwugu.
Not much more. As a side dish it made North America safe for Jose and Deshawn.
Seriously man. Unexpected of you. What do you expect a 15 year old to do? Don’t make this about trp man. Women in the third world are treated inhumanly. Our western women should see first hand what is inequality. These women are denied rights to a bathroom, water and food. It’s not right and she’s atleast spreading awareness.
“It’s not right and she’s atleast spreading awareness.”
Its not right, and at least on the surface it seems like a decent enough cause. Shooting teen girls in the head for going to school, or wanting to be educated isn’t something which can or should be defended. But what will western women take from this sorry spectacle: the fact that they have it incalculably better than women elsewhere, and for the most part men everywhere, or that that western feminism can continue to justify its existence by appealing to the plight of women and girls everywhere, as though the taliban were a continuity with the famed patriarchy? Attacking Malala is the wrong target, except to the extent that an actually reasonable cause is being co-opted by western feminists to justify their continued existence as an ideology that must continue to be spread internationally.
Scratch the surface of most regional conflicts and you’ll often find that western ideological internationalism (not necessarily imperialism) that is fuelling or at least exacerbating the conflict.
Those countries are 3rd world for everyone…. not just vaginas
Maybe you should watch slum dog millionaire…. rather than white knighting the keys of your laptop.
Our western women should see first hand what is inequality > could not agree more.
A fantastic article.
OK, Billy so what is this chick supposed to do?
Turn into Rambo and defeat her enemies all by her herself?
If a faction of the country you lived in shot you in the face for writing this blog, would you stick around? Or would you leave and try to turn the rest of the world against them?
Yes, the Nobel Peace Prize is a joke, especially for economics.
Yes, she may be co-opted by global feminists…so what?
She is following a logical course of action.
Wrong!
Her actions do not indicate someone who is trying to get revenge on any enemy, but someone who is profiteering using the professional victim industry.
There’s a henry makow article with a similar view on the issue, but which focuses on the role of her dad as someone who is pushing a for-profit model of education for children in third world countries. I haven’t looked into this, but the argument runs something along the lines of western progressives getting behind this – malala being the poster girl – because a) there’s a heap of money to be earned potentially from educating kids in foreign countries and b) educating kids in foreign countries whether for profit or not, is also a massive opportunity to indoctrinate them with the values of progressive internationalism.
So, we’re either going to have poor underprivileged kids getting the education they have deserved for so long, or we’re about to see the creation of the new clone army, with malala as the prototype just like bobafett was in the film
heh.
if youre trying to get something to go viral you’ve got a good shot with this one.
but
someone did just point out a possible weak spot with your argument if
youre interested. this part :” let me repeat: after the Taliban shot her
in the head, Malala opted to
live in England. She ran away. They shot her in the head and she ran
away.”
someone told me a ROK a writer for was being threatened on
twitter recently ( and his family too ) so he asked all this followers to write
in to support to shut it down. I cant remember the details but ill try
to find it if anyone cares. it was something about gamer gate and i havent been following that.
is ROK a united front or is it every man
for him self ? if youre mocking a woman who actually got shot in the
head for leaving and one of your writers is trying to shut down a
twitter account it kind of weakens the argument. were they threatening
malala’s family too ? am i missing details about the twitter thing ? not
trying to be a dick here, so clue me in if im missing something. i was
just thinking if this you blows up i dont want anyone looking like a
bitch.
i do agree with you on this one though : Dignity and morals have no place in the modern world.
The Nobel Peace Prize has been a joke since they gave it to Obama.
The Nobel Peace Prize has been a joke since they gave it to [insert name of some recipient I absolutely despise and who absolutely doesn’t deserve it].
You know they actually asked obama to give the prize back? Maybe in the future they will consider giving the prize for actual accomplishments.
So they have ZERO tolerance for their women becoming uppity and becoming educated socialist workers, CASA affiliated free divorce lawyers, planned parenthood supporting staff and brainy carousel queens, the ones with their own books on wicca, novels about overcoming patriarchal rape and fem-centric childrens books.
What we have in the west though is the flip-side opposite and is almost beyond extremism. Pockets of traditional value remain in places, but it is a daily occurrence in the west for households to be ‘de-fathered’ by swat teams who are on call in nearly every corner of the populated west. Scenarios of men men being hounded and shot by civilian white knight law enforcement flood my memory, not leaving much space for the pic of the girl getting shot in the head.
A simple disagreement with your female spouse can easily turn fatal and you could actually be dead within the hour if you play your cards right (or wrong). You could be splattered across your front door not by ‘her’ but by the local bitch response team if you try to uphold the patriarchal rule against a stubborn woman or one who is networked with surrounding feminists.
If you are a great warrior like the men at the Alamo, then you may win that first battle for preserving the household patriarchy, but the betas and white knights wasted across your yard have a million replacements. Every year the feminist colleges churn out tens of thousands of poor souls brainwashed as manginas as they complete their state education.
It is known that TRANSVESTITES and TRANS SEXUALS often claim (actually they’re brainwashed into thinking) that they were unfortunately born into a body of THE WRONG GENDER. HA! I guess by that same line of thinking one could say that MALALA was born into the wrong culture. Silly girl, that’s the HARD PATH to becoming a feminist. She should have been born instead to some family with a big ‘strong jewish mother’ with broad shoulders from Long Island who does all the talking and has a short ‘honey do’ dentist husband and a circumcised brother who’s on the fence not sure if he’s gay. Barmitzfeh will fix that, but she would at least grow up with ALL THE EFFECTS AND INFLUENCES that would mold her into a great American feminist.
Muslims understandably hate American culture because our media poison spreads through anywhere with a TV and internet connection. I’m in the middle on this one. Most muslim countries are pure barbarism, but America is showing that 100% freedom cannot be handled.
This isn’t even about Feminism, this is about war, we are their enemy and one of our weapons is ideology, western teachings = treason, plain and simple, leave it to feminists to try and make this be all about them.
If the western nations had never invaded Afghanistan stuff like this would not happen.
Excellent commentary. I remember when Malala was heralded by the ‘United Colours of Benetton’ Crowd when her speech came out(link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCg2FyTiBoI ) and went viral.
Really compelling stuff.
However, note that she was introduced by Gordo Brown aka ‘The One-eyed Scottish Idiot’ making it a bit contrived and suspect. More importantly, it is in complete denial of the problem-Islam.
Let’s begin with this statement;
“This is the compassion that I have learnt from Muhammad-the prophet of mercy, Jesus christ and Lord Buddha. ”
Equating Mohammed, Jesus Christ, and Buddha is so fundamentally
ignorant and factually incorrect that it undermines every bit of her
speech.
Of the three figures, only Mohammed killed people-and lots of of them.
From exterminating the men of the Jewish Banu Quraiza tribe to the
battle of the Trench to assassinating his critics to executing the
adulterous women(note the plural form), Mohammed is a blood-drenched
figure.
Don’t believe me? Let’s do a little compare and contrast;
Firstly, here’s the Christian account from John 8:2-11;
“2 And early in the morning he came again into the temple, and all
the people came unto him; and he sat down, and taught them.
3 And the scribes and Pharisees brought unto him a woman taken in adultery; and when they had set her in the midst,
4 They say unto him, Master, this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act.
5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But
Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though
he heard them not.
7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto
them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at
her.
8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went
out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus
was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.
10 When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said
unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned
thee?
11 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.”
Pretty good ending, yes? Now, for the Muslim “Improvement” upon this story;
Saheh Muslim 4206;
“He (the narrator) said: There came to him (the Holy Prophet) a woman
from Ghamid and said: Allah’s Messenger, I have committed adultery, so
purify me. He (the Holy Prophet) turned her away. On the following day
she said: Allah’s Messenger, Why do you turn me away? Perhaps, you turn
me away as you turned away Ma’iz. By Allah, I have become pregnant. He
said: Well, if you insist upon it, then go away until you give birth to
(the child). When she was delivered she came with the child (wrapped) in
a rag and said: Here is the child whom I have given birth to. He said:
Go away and suckle him until you wean him. When she had weaned him, she
came to him (the Holy Prophet) with the child who was holding a piece of
bread in his hand. She said: Allah’s Apostle, here is he as I have
weaned him and he eats food. He (the Holy Prophet) entrusted the
child to one of the Muslims and then pronounced punishment. And she was
put in a ditch up to her chest and he commanded people and they stoned
her. Khalid b Walid came forward with a stone which he flung at her
head and there spurted blood on the face of Khalid and so he abused her.
Allah’s Apostle (may peace be upon him) heard his (Khalid’s) curse that
he had huried upon her. Thereupon he (the Holy Prophet) said: Khalid,
be gentle. By Him in Whose Hand is my life, she has made such a
repentance that even if a wrongful tax-collector were to repent, he
would have been forgiven. Then giving command regarding her, he prayed
over her and she was buried.”
This story is repeated with another adulterous woman in Saheh
Muslim 4207. To be fair Mohammed(PB&J) kills lots of adulterous men
as well…
Her next bit of ignorance is that she references Martin Luther King and
Mohammed Al Jinnah who for all practical matters is the father of modern
Pakistan. She gives us the Pakistani view of Al Jinnah, not the one
from India which is very different and quite negative. In fact Al Jinnah, considered by
Pakistani’s to be the ‘Father’ of modern Pakistan didn’t advocate for
unity and desegregation within British India. Rather he demanded a
separate state for Muslims and threatened violence if he didn’t get it. He’s nowhere even
close to MLK’s political character.
Another bit of ignorance is this statement;
“And Islam is a religion of peace, humanity and brotherhood.”
ROTFLMAO.
Islam is a religion of violence, hate, and institutionalized discrimination.
Don’t believe me? Take it from the Quran;
Quran 8.012: Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the
message): “I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil
terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks
and smite all their finger-tips off them.”
Quran 8.038 Say to the Unbelievers, if (now) they desist (from
Unbelief), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the
punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for
them).
Quran 8.039 And fight them on until there is no more tumult or
oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah altogether and
everywhere; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.
Quran 8.050 If thou couldst see, when the angels take the souls of the
Unbelievers (at death), (How) they smite their faces and their backs,
(saying): “Taste the penalty of the blazing Fire-
Quran 8.055 For the worst of beasts in the sight of Allah are those who reject Him: They will not believe.
Quran 8.060 Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your
power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of)
the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may
not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause
of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated
unjustly.
Quran 9.005 But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay
the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie
in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and
establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the
way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
Quran 9.029 Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor
hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His
Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of
the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing
submission, and feel themselves subdued.
Quran 9.030 The Jews call ‘Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call
Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this)
they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah’s curse
be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!”
I could go here listing verses from the Quran that advocate hate
and violence towards the non-Muslim. FYI, ‘Jizya’ is a tax that all
non-Muslims must pay to Muslims just for the right to exist. Else the
Muslims have the right to enslave and kill them. Seriously.
Then there’s this howler;
“Islam says that it is not only each child’s right to get education, rather it is their duty and responsibility.”
Actually honey, the Quran says you’re only worth half as much as a Muslim man(with non-Muslims even worth less…). Again, don’t believe me? Take it from the Quran;
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:
Once Allah’s Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o
‘Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, “O
women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of
Hell-fire were you (women).” They asked, “Why is it so, O Allah’s
Apostle ?” He replied, “You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your
husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and
religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some
of you.” The women asked, “O Allah’s Apostle! What is deficient in our
intelligence and religion?” He said, “Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?” They replied in the affirmative. He
said, “This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn’t it true that a
woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?” The women replied
in the affirmative. He said, “This is the deficiency in her religion.”
This verse is one of many that serves as the foundation of real
world law-so far as anyone can call Sharia “Law”- that deems all Muslim
women as having half the legal status of Muslim men.
I can go on here but the speech is so deceptive in that it gives the
impression that the problems she describes are founded in all societies
when in reality it is Islam which has created most of the problems she
has to deal with. It’s all very Kumbaya-United Colours of Benetton and
so deceptive and misleading. Whether this 16 year old girl truly
believes what she spoke or whether it was written for her is secondary
to the problem of that statement being woefully ignorant and factually
incorrect.
I have to disagree here. Almost always the muslim men take our women for their harems, this is a rare example of the opposite.
So we’ve been reduced to insulting children, ROK? I long for the fat shaming days.
I am going to make a prediction… I bet she preaches the benefits of Islam in this traditionally Christian country and advocates more third world immigration into it? Am I right?
How dumb are white girls who vote for and advocate all the third world immigration policies. They can’t plainly see how white christian men created the most comfortable society for women in history. Europe is already being overrun by africans and muslims. White girls are too stupid to see this
and, we know about the rape stats… I mean come on white girls. I sometimes wonder if my ancestors purposely selected them to be pretty over rational. Or if it just them being over privileged with no humility checks
Just like the earlier article about how liberally people throw around the term “hero,” Malala is a clear case for that. Ernest Shackleton, hero, Fernando Parrado, hero, Galileo Galilei, hero, Mother Teresa, hero. What separates Malala from these illustrious figures is that she had no one to save, nothing to explore and no intellectual point to defend to the death.
Now, here is the example of a hero that has arisen out of the kneejerk reaction to survive. Aaron Ralston broke his own arm and proceeded to cut it off with a swiss army knife. His story is impressive as hell, but it is the story of a guy who got in over his head and did whatever it took to survive. At most Malala can say “I was brave that one day when I knew the Taliban would probably attack any girl going to school, I went anyway, got shot in the head, luckily didn’t get killed, got medical treatment in my home country then better care in England and was offered speaking engagements once I recovered and don’t have to go back to my shithole country without private contractors protecting my ass.”
Personally I don’t think the world is any better with educated women. Women as group are more educated and empowered than they ever have been in the entire fossil record. Now we have a shitload of sociology phd.’s, divorce lawyers, and french literature experts who would rather be mommies. What the fuck are they doing for the pursuit of knowledge?
I personally don’t feel that the negativity is a product of education itself. If women were to read historical texts and make rational conclusions, it wouldn’t cause all this negativity. The problem is that modern education, combined with the media and the government, have created this three-headed monster which sold feminism and sexual empowerment to women. They were an easy sell. Little do they realize that “rape culture” and “street harassment” have all increased exponentially since women’s liberation.
Education is very much to blame, it has become an institution for the advancement for the “weaker sex.” From a young age girls get promoted and boys get medicated to chemically castrate the natural desire for aggression and distractability. Male tendencies become “traits” or symptoms of the disorder du jour.
All the notable acheivements of the human race have been achieved by MANkind, not peoplekind and surely not womankind. Women infiltrated their way into universities because they wanted to study math, and science and run with the big dogs. The only thing is they weren’t intelligent enough to compete so they opted for reasearching the humanities instead. History shows there haven’t been any women as inately brilliant as Ramanujan, Tesla, or Einstein…ever! Theorems don’t care what plumbing you have, just inherent genius.
Education is to blame. It opened Pandora’s box.
They are in medicine, law, pharmacy, dentistry, the list goes on. Even in engineering.
And they will never go back.
Plus? They usually do not have children. Negative? If they do they indoctrinate them at a young age to go to school, especially if the child is a girl.
If it’s a boy they still do, but they indoctrinate him and surround him with educated women such that he will seek that out in a partner.
See all those commercials geared towards encouraging women to go into the sciences?
It only gets worse.
I will be bold here when I say that perhaps more men should go into teaching. Boys need good role models. But, teaching doesn’t pay well and is not a respected job. I taught third grade for one year. I couldn’t tolerate the estrogen fest, among other things.
Ah, but it’s not education in itself, it’s the educational institution. It’s what’s being taught within the educational institution combined with cultural norms and political correctness. There are plenty of reforms which could be made to the educational systems to accomomdate both men and women.
Not sure if you have a sister, but if you did, surely you’d agree to educating her on the importance of chastity, the evils of feminism, and avoiding non-committal men.
We’re all unhappy with the current educational institution because they’ve failed to educate timeless conservative principles which both sexes can benefit from. These principles are not only restricted to gender relations. Free-market economics, family and community principles, great leaders conquering despots.
I’m in complete agreement. Useful jobs that can help the world are thankless and undercompensated. A year is a damn sight better than I’ve ever taught.
Yes! I agree that as a woman, I was sold a lie when it came to feminism, but there is room for discourse between men and women. There are intelligent and educated women for whom feminism is not synonymous with man-hating or male-bashing. I used to believe that men and women were the same, that what kept us down were social constructs like the big bad patriarchy, but that doesn’t make sense to me anymore. However, part of the problem is that the definition of feminism is nebulous, but the most vocal of feminists are the often ridiculed irrational women who blame men for everything. We must take responsibility for how we are perceived.
I don’t believe that you are a woman. In either case, there is absolutely no place for feminism in western civilization. Women have been afforded every single legal right since the beginning of the 20th century, plus a few imaginary ones. Feminism should be treated worse than racism at this point.
Too much truth in this article. That makes you an EVIL MISOGINIST!
I agree with your sentiments on Obama…:)
That being said, I think we’re all putting a lot of pressure on a 17 year old girl that was shot in the head. It’s more-so about what she represents. She’s a vessel; a symbol. It’s not up to her to save the world. If an extremist shot me in the head, I’d leave the area in which the extremists were prominent. That’s just common sense.
Not just that, I am sure she and her family were threatened and that would be enough to make me stay away. It will be interesting to hear from her when she is older, let’s say, 27, in 10 years. She may become indignant at being used while at such a vulnerable state and age. She may earn her prize later.
She is not a coward.
They can’t discontinue the Peace prize, it’s the only one that women can actually regularly win by themselves. Although to be honest I expect a new category soon: The Nobel Women’s prize, given to the one with the most vagina or something. Gotta get those women’s prize winners closer to 50% after all.
Ahh the Nobel Peace Prize….the politician’s medal of honor.
Now Malala will join the proud ranks of other such brilliant, illustrious and worthwhile members like : Menachem Begin (former head of radical zionist terrorist group Irgun which bombed the King David Hotel in 1946), Yasser Arafat (PLO terrorist turd), Henry Kissinger (globalist turd), Al Gore (global warming/climate change televangelist fraud turd), Wangari Maathai (African turd who claimed HIV was invented by whites) Jimmy Card (2nd worst US President, unseating Millard Filmore from his turd throne in 1976) and last but not certainly not least, Barak Hussein Obama (worst leader in modern human history, aka KING TURD)
You’re in good company Malala. How ironic that you’ve taken asylum in a country that has declared its racial, cultural and economic suicide decades ago. Once ISIS takes Baghdad, London is merely a plane ride away. (I wouldn’t unpack.)
Who would you have nominated for the prize? And are you saying Climate Change is a fraud? That would be funny…
since she is 17 and therefore legal where i live, i can safely say 4/10 WNB
It might have something to do with the racial/religious group that gives out the Nobel Peace Prizes
Ah, another butthurt rant about how the Nobel Peace Prize was given to someone undeserving, and how it has become a completely irrelevant joke. If it really was that, we would not be reading rants like this article year after year, the Prize would already have become forgotten and nobody here would know who got it this year.
ffs she is 17. Not even an adult yet and you are berating her for leaving the place where she was nearly killed and where her life would be in infinity more danger if she returned? just get over the fact that a 17 year old girl has more influence and the ability to make change than any of you fedora wearing muppets ever will.
if her breast and hips are developed and if the pubic hair is also there then i’d say she is a young adult woman already.
Too bad they don’t give out a Useful Idiot of the Year Prize. This broad would win in spades. Of course one can’t help but notice that the man who actually earned his Peace Prize by literally helping impoverished children is rarely mentioned, if at all. I guess simply talking about helping people is apparently better than actually doing it.
In regard to the excellent featured comment above, there’s one thing I’ve learned: If you want to find out the truth about a certain group of individuals, don’t waste your time with any Western media or these so-called “intellectuals” who’ve read a lot of books on the subject but never experienced it. Instead seek out former members of the group who were chugging the Kool-Aid by the gallon or forced to live through it and managed to break free. Want to know what Communism was really like? Talk to defectors or ex-pats from Communist countries. Radical Feminism? Talk to former feminists who are now happily married housewives with kids. Any of the various religions/cults? Talk to converts and find out why they left.
Most people are more than happy to illustrate to anyone who will listen the various misconceptions or outright falsehoods about their former or current group. Compile as many responses as you can and then look for patterns that they all shared. While it may not be set in stone, those patterns are likely the truth.
What about capitalism, then? By the same argument you make, one should talk to Occupy Wall Street protesters to find out. They would be the capitalist equivalent of people who lived through Communist rule and ended up disillusioned by it.
A valid question. First, the Occupy Protestors are not true Capitalists. They’re lazy Communist scum who live in a decreasingly Capitalist country and want everyone else to pay their way through life. A Communist wouldn’t bother trying to learn from them as they espouse the very system that the Communist has grown disillusioned with and he would immediately know they have no clue what they’re talking about since they’re stupidly advocating what amounts to Totalitarianism.
I should’ve been more clear in my first comment. My point supposes that you already suspect the group/system you’re researching is wrong, insidious, subversive, or evil. (Feminism, Communism, certain Cults/Religious Groups, etc.) What you’re looking for is confirmation that your suspicions are correct from someone who’s actually lived through it. No modern capitalist society has massacred tens of millions of its own citizens like they did during The Great Purge in the USSR and The Great Leap Forward in China. Since a Communist has already lived through the horrors of that system and knows that its claims of equality are patently false, talking to a Capitalist who’s dumb enough to convert to Communism would be a waste of their time.
What about the teachers in Afghanistan & Pakistan who have been killed for daring to teach girls? How about honoring them and their families who have been left to fend for themselves? I have no ill will for this young lady, but it seems to me that the teachers, and the one I am thinking of was a man, murdered in front of his family, are the real everyday heroes here.
These days the Nobel Peace Prize is about as meaningful as a stick of gum. You got shot in the head and survived…here you get a gold star! So what you weren’t gonna give it to me if I died?
In my own native tongue “Malala” means “bad, ill”, the same context and usage in the English language for “bad, ill” .
But yeah, ladies and gentlemen, another classic case in point of “Anglo WF feminism, using non-Anglo women to further their agendas.”
All of you need to stop hating people and bashing religion you clearly know nothing about.
You guys are so sweet, did mummy not show you enough love?
The definition of masculinity is not treating women as second class citizens you know that right?
Had no idea Billy Chubbs was pro-taliban.
Did anyone mention the idiot author misspelled Recipient?
I hate Feminists and I hope the Taliban or ISIS or Ebola kills all Feminists.
Every last motherfucking one of them.
Furthermore, I have no beef with Islam.
They keep their bitches in the kitchens, – like they should,- and when they want another wife, what do they do?
Tell us , People ! – What do these guys do when they want another wife?
That`s right, fellas, they SIMPLY MARRY ONE MORE.
Simple as that.
So don`t badmouth the Muslims.
Because they, unlike America, keep their Goddamned bitches in the kitchens, and don`t allow them to run around and spread mayhem, greed and discontent, like that Goddamned little bitch “Mallala”.
In my view, the Taliban were trying to do us all a favour, by silencing this little bitch and thus keep her from spreading her discontent and greed to other girls.
This very post makes me bask in the glory of being a Feminist – I love that the Feminist movement makes people like you SO angry, it’s SO adorable. I only hope that one day Feminists become as badass as ISIS – I would love the see the rampant genocide of alpha males such as yourself. If I ever find you, can I cut your fucking head off for the camera? ^_^
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_YCh4JuTyHYc/TLy8TMEXDOI/AAAAAAAABMM/LgNebI7Zag8/s1600/chimpaled.png
*yawns* mmmk.
I find that picture terrifying. It doesn’t give you pause or make you feel like you should tread lightly? Could this be the lack of respect these men have alluded to? This is their sandbox, so why the need to be so abrasive?
What, you think a girl’s never seen Cannibal Holocaust, you nutless wonder 😀 Great scene too – it actually landed the director in serious trouble having to recreate the effect in court to avoid homicide charges. The effect went something like this: Just like you did with daddy the actress opened her mouth and they slid in a short wooden rod while she sat on a narrow bicycle seat affixed to a longer wooden dowel cemented in the earth. You are one sad little bitch, no wonder you’re lashing out like a threatened little creature 🙂
It’s fucking Cannibal Holocaust you wimp. It’s a schlocky fun cult flick. And no, the pot-bellied, bible thumpers and neck beards on this site give pause to no one but those who catch their downwind 🙂
That’s a generalization. It’s not that I disrespect men as a whole, but with this particular group – suffice it to say I view them in the same light that they view slutty women. They don’t commend my respect.
That’s what will happen to you if you keep emasculating your men that cannot protect you from the islamic savages.
‘I only hope that one day Feminists become as badass as ISIS – I would love the see the rampant genocide of alpha males such as yourself.’
by the time the feminists become as badass as ISIS, the entire western world aka feminist strongholds may have capitulated to ISIS. but the silver lining is that we can charge double admission ticket for the final showdown between ISIS and feminists, battling for dominion over the earth! the ensuing battle-cries will be ‘allahu akbar lā ʾilāha ʾillā-llāh!’ versus ‘we’re strong agile intelligent confident independent women, hear us roar!’ or ‘jihad fisabilillah!’ versus ‘all men are rapists!’
‘If I ever find you, can I cut your fucking head off for the camera? ^_^’
sure you can but please make sure you get to whack his neck first before he whack yours.
Sounds delicious. Is that your horse in your avatar? Can I borrow it for when I ride into battle?
sure you can borrow it to ride into battle but only after you let me ride you first.
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
” I would love the see the rampant genocide of alpha males such as yourself.”
Scratch a feminist and underneath you will always find a misandrist Nazi.
So in all of reality, I’m just the female version of you people.
Whatever you are, it’s certainly not feminine.
Won’t happen.
Not when they are educated, they are never going home. Just the ones who CHOOSE to aka the anti-feminists.
One suggestion would be to get people like you to stop breeding.
Its more like a Nobel Flee Prize. It seems she is being used against the West by the feminists pushing the “rape culture” trope. She needs to go the hell back home.
They made their point, which is to MAKE the point, in Pakistan, to women / girls there, not some white female SJW that lives in London.
Oh Billy, how cynical/misinformed you are.
Malala is SEVENTEEN. She won the Nobel Peace Prize (important enough to have wannabe journos like you writing about her, so it can’t be all that defunct) because she’s been fighting for ANY/some kind of education for girls where she’s from. Do you not think she’d be instantly hunted down for her campaign when/if she returned? Journalists brave enough to venture to not-too-far-away-from-Pakistan are being beheaded (while you write from the comfort of your sofa), so I’m sure that life-dependent detail would bring a more logical explanation.
Secondly, her fighting for this right is far better than no-one campaigning for it, regardless. It’s an issue that – even through you writing about it – more people will be informed about, and that can only be a good thing. A lot of the rest of these comments have turned into a ‘biggest dick competition’ of religious accuracy (all holy books have been re-written by men to suit political ideologies in the thousands of years since they started), but *culture* has deformed the state of women’s rights in Pakistan, not religion. Try telling a Muslim women in Indonesia that their faith denies them education and watch them laugh.
Lastly, you’ve no write to comment about someone who’s been forced to leave and stay away from her HOME because of a political ideal she believes in. You’ve no write to comment on whether someone who’s been SHOT deserves to explain why it’s wrong (try getting shot, it’s hardly fun). You’ve got no right to put down a brave fight for a good cause.
‘ all holy books have been re-written by men to suit political ideologies in the thousands of years since they started but *culture* has deformed the state of women’s rights in Pakistan, not religion.’
not all holy books, ask any moslem you know, even the most non-observing moslem who drink & gamble will tell you that the quran is word by word dictated by allah. you can actually go to jail in moslem countries or worse if you declared that the quran was in any shape or form rewritten by men.
‘Try telling a Muslim women in Indonesia that their faith denies them education and watch them laugh.’
try telling non-arabic moslem women the following facts and they’ll vehemently deny or may even try to smack you :
1) their prophet married a 6-year old girl and consummated the marriage when she was 9.
2) ANY moslem man may have up to 4 wives.
3) with the exception of muhammad’s 1st wife, the rest of his wives were much younger than he was.
4) constantinople and much of the christendom was taken by FORCE, courtesy of moslem warriors.
5) moslem women can not go anywhere without first asking their husband’s permission.
conclusion : non-arabic moslem women likes to cherry-pick, if it’s convenient or feel just right then it must be what allah and the quran ordained.
‘Lastly, you’ve no write to comment about someone who’s been forced to leave and stay away from her HOME because of a political ideal she believes in.’
i suspect billy adheres to something called ‘freedom of speech’ and hence he thought he doesn’t need anyone’s permission to write just about anything.
‘You’ve got no right to put down a brave fight for a good cause.’
it is indeed a cause, i’ll give her that but i won’t call it a brave cause, i’ll call it a smart cause. now if malala goes wonder-woman wearing bikini or preferably nothing and a whip against those sexist ISIS who kept hot yazidi girls as sex-slaves then my 4 thumbs and my dick goes up for her!
Author is a twat. Anyone who has been to that region knows how dangerous it is for a girl to seek any form of education. She hasn’t even fully recovered from being shot in the fucking head and you’re bitching about her being a hypocrite? Grow a sack bitch.
so in your view a teenage girl was supposed to come back and what? go rambo on sexist extremists and kill them all with her teenage super powers? Go back so she could get shot and become a martyr? Why not let her get an education, have a life, and have a chance to make a difference with the only weapon she has, her voice.
Look at a list of campaigners for human rights or reforms in an oppressive country and you will often find that they were at some time forced to flee the country under threat of death. Ghandi traveled abroad and that’s where he learned the non violence styles of opposition that helped him fight the British. Though frankly having spent about five minutes on this website I’m quickly becomming convinced that its here just to get a response out of normal people.
Man, you’re just regurgitating shit you were taught by morons,
I hear no original thinking from you whatsoever.
OBSERVE: Everything Malala did/said on the road is IRRELEVANT to any of the atrocities that occurred beyond her influence.
-Should MLK not have gotten the peace prize b/c slavery continues to this day???
OBSERVE: Far better for her to take her cause to the world and rally other countries to champion oppressed women, than just get shot at home.
-Dhali-Llama is a coward and no champion to his people b/c he lives in exile from China-controlled Tibet???
OBSERVE: Just b/c she’s not helping Pakistani women much, doesn’t mean she’s not helping women in general, globally.
-You respect only the martyr’d? You go take the bullet then, chief.
***AND FUCKING OBSERVE: A FUCKING NOBEL PRIZE WAS NEVER GIVEN FOR DOING GREAT, JUST FOR HAPPENING TO BE A PRINCIPAL WHERE GREATNESS OCCURRED. THAT’S ALL IT’S EVER BEEN INTENDED TO MEAN.****
OBSERVE: You’re a goddamn fool.
A few months ago, there was an article when the nobel prize comity apologized and asked Obama to return the peace prize. Must have been embarrassing
The only ones who should be embarrassed are those like you who took that fake news story at face value.
If the spanish empire were still today none of these crap will exist, and many of the other western problems of today.
Your boy, Matt, got a few strong words and what did he do? He ran. He
ran away. He has less courage than a young girl who was shot in the
head. Little boys with little thoughts unable to get a date past their
hands. Goodness, I’m all aflutter!
So, what are you saying? You think this teenage girl should just stay put and die?
So, what are you saying? You think this teenage girl should just stay put and die?
The writers on this site aren’t very good. Who listens to this BS and believes it? Neckbeards and trolls?
The way they made her an icon of female freedom of speech and education is pretty sketchy. Most of the people I know are strictly against her and those who are not against her are indifferent to her – believing that she is just an agent / doesn’t belong to Pakistan / doesn’t live in Pakistan / have done nothing for Pakistan.
While most of it is true, including the most obvious objection that when she was shot at, there was another girl besides her she got hurt too, she got injured from bullets too, why she is no where and Malala is everywhere.
What about that kid, Aitzaz Bangash, who while walking towards his school spotted a suicide bomber and ran towards that guy and tried to catch him so that the bomber who was en routed to the same school may not get there and hurt his friends – why didn’t he deserve any recognition and Malala does when she practically has done nothing as compared to other people.
To be honest here, America and UK have so much influence in Pakistani politics and so much opposition in middle middle classes and lower middle classes that everyone who is hailed by these two is seen with eyes of suspicion. But in Malala’s case this actually seems to be justified.
Don’t be too hard on her, after all she’s just a tool. According to an article I read on the Henry Makow website savethemales.ca, her father runs a network of private for-profit schools. The Taliban threats would have dried up his cash flow had this incident not occurred (which in typical conspiratorial fashion could have been staged for this purpose) to garnish international attention and sympathy (and financial contributions). The Powers That Be get to use her as an instrument to push Western liberalism disguised as education to Third World schoolgirls, Pakistan can show that it’s collaborating with the West in order to receive more financial aid (even as drone strikes continue to kill civilians, which would normally be a declaration of war), her father’s businesses are back in the black and everyone’s happy; except those people she bailed on, and possibly Malala herself, as I don’t think I’d be too happy getting shot so that someone else could make a buck, even if they offered to share the spoils.
So shes being critiqued for running away . She did so because of death threats. Recently someone wrote an article about how tattooed women are all broken, and you defended the author and said he Was in hiding because of death threats. Kind of hypocritical no?
Of course you had nothing else better to do so you decided to write an article about a brave girl who is anti taliban and an advocate for women’s rights and say that she does not deserve the Nobel Peace Prize award. She is probably braver than you will ever be! I’d like to see you take a bullet and still have the will to stand up for what you believe in. GET A LIFE!!!
Cool how you misspelled a word in the headline of your article criticizing an education advocate.
I really don’t see any connection between Malala and world peace
So if someone shoots you in the head you’re going to go back and let them finish you off? Funny since you cowards hid Matt Forney because of death threats and then call her a coward? You are fucking kidding me.
If she was really brave she would have stayed helping her countrywomen, but she prefered to live safely in the western world, that’s not bad though.
Whoever wrote this is an idiot.
Like you’re an idiot. Hopefully you experience far worse than she did. You bigot. Go malala bravest person there is.
She is not brave, she is a lucky person to survive that´s all, nothing extraordinary in the history of the world.
The problem is again:
AFRICA FOR THE AFRICANS, ASIA FOR THE ASIANS, WHITE COUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY??
Notice this is always the liberal solution (at someone else’s expense).
Peace prize and social sciences prizes are a joke. The sciences (chemistry and physics) gave out prizes for inventing high resolution nanoscopy by fluorescence and making stable Gallium nitride blue leds, things that have been immensely helpful in furthering humanity, more so than vain political posturing.
You butthurt over the awarding of the Economics Prize to someone you disagree with?
Most of the time economics is a joke. This time it doesn’t appear to be. The other social sciences will forever be a joke.
The problem is everybody wants to be a martyr but nobody wants to die
Its bs. Its media manipulation, look at the timing, just when we are not just fermenting, actually starting yet another new war in the ME, this silly little girl gets a nobel prize for peace, its ironic as she is a poster child for justifying war and inflicting misery on the lives of 10s of thousands if not millions.
The usa followed policies in afghanistan that turned it into a dungheap, by supporting the mujahadeen, the ‘good guys’ supposedly, who then morphed into the taliban and al quaeda. continuing in iraq, libya, iran in the past, syria etc etc, destroying the lives of 100,000s of men and women in the process,
Now they pluck one girl out and give her lots of attention and a bit of education and make themselves look good just so they can continue bsing their voters into supporting yet another clusterf%ck that will produce more terrorists than ever.
The west is far more complicit in inflicting misery all over the ME than the taliban.
It’s Ironic that she spouts the ‘opinion’ (if it’s even so) that Radical Islamists are afraid of women with books, like herself, when the opposite is true. As this article proves, she is the one afraid of them, and rightfully so. They detest women like her, and they’d shoot her again without a second thought, out of hate, and probably not miss next time.
Is Matt Forney also “a coward and a hypocrite” for going into hiding after criticising tattooed women?
Talk about judging folk by the color of their skin eh?
Wow, unbelievably disgusting article. I don’t even know where to begin. You’re attacking a 17 year old girl because she chose not to return to a place where they shot her in the head? And she is evil for wanting to spread the message of universal education for women? Writers on this site obviously have no sense of decency or, for that matter, logic. Why don’t you write about some issues that are worthwhile and actually empower the male community, instead of attacking little girls for speaking up after being nearly assassinated. WTF man, seriously. Your article is like something a feminazi would pen. You lost a reader permanently.
Alot of islam bashing going on here. Most of it is pure ignorance, some of you should take sometime to learn about islam and not believe what you hear from thee media. You should check out personalities like pringle kennedy, micheal h hart and sir thomas carlyle and see what they had to say about islam and the prophet muhammad.
It’s not secret that Islam always wanted to conquer the western world from many centuries, at least the southern european and slavs knew how to deal with it because germanic and scandinavian nations are failing right know, the rest is sham from US government.
The media is oh so politically correct when it comes to Islam. It’s nothing more than a cult invented by a lying, murderous, epileptic pedophile. A cherry-picked mixture of Judaism, Christianity, and Arab paganism. Muslims have been trying to conquer Europe since the 700s, when Charles Martel kicked their invader asses back to Spain. What else is there to know? Proselytize elsewhere, Ali Baba.
Dont tell me your source of info about islam is the media. These guys can’t tell their asses from their head. Most of it is propaganda.
Nice try. The media is very careful to separate terrorists from regular muslims. The latter of whose asses they constantly kiss and suck up to. That “religion of peace” bullshit, when Muhammad was a murderer. My source of info is studying religion and history on my own time. Perhaps you’re the one whose been indoctrinated with cult propaganda, or has that never crossed your mind?
The prophet was not a murderer, the battle that he fought, were that of self-defense.
Base on what do you call him a murderer? And where exactly do your read about islam?
First of all, he’s not a prophet, he’s a charlatan. I don’t have my original sources, do you think I keep them on hand for internet evangelists like yourself? It’s pretty easy to see he had anyone who opposed him violently murdered. That included people who just criticized him.
Look, there’s no evidence for a god or gods, period. None. Zero. You believe in a god because you want to. Period. Cults are established all the time by narcissists like Muhammad to control people and drain them of cash, just look at Scientology. The cults that grow the largest eventually become “religions,” which is somehow supposed to legitimize them. Nope. Usually to achieve a large size a cult must attack and destroy competing cults.
The fact is, there’s as much evidence to back up Islam as there is Greek paganism, or any other cult. None.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree
care to explain the rape of Saffiya and the murdering of the Jews in Bany Quaryza?
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/059.sbt.html#005.059.512
&
http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/058-sbt.php#005.058.148
so much for Moe the fake prophet not being a warlord
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/008.sbt.html#001.008.367
source? Tabari and Bukhari
Rape of Safiya? LOL. I thought the Manosphere had pretty much arrived at a consensus that for marriage to be a relevant institution, it must come with an expectation of regular sex. Yet, here you are, assuming a feminist stance to the issue (along with the usual arbitrary assumption of lack of consent) just to be able to deploy this talking point.
Well played, feminists. Even as some men say they are against you, they have internalized parts of your frame as self-evident without realizing it.
non-sequitir & deflection of topic. the muslim i replied to didnt answer why that his own historians recalled mad max moe the warlord cum fake prophet would lead the raping and killing when he & a 1.6 billion of followers of his religion believe this man, his shitty fake prophet, as the flawless perfect man (when clearly he was nothing more than arab warlord scumbag)
as for feminists ideals, slaughter & rape are part of war. thou does protesteth too much and overreach there to attack my character (ad hoc linking me to feminists – creating a strawman ideology about me) instead of actually discussing the issue at hand.
It’s not a strawman. The whole notion that Muhammed raped Safiya requires (among other things) making the feminist assumption that marriage does not include any kind of sexual obligations. As for “deflection of topic”, the rest of your portrayal of Muhammed doesn’t interest me.
If it’s so easy to build a cult, why don’t you go do it yourself? Money, power and nubile bitches are yours for the taking, what are you waiting for?
Ah yes, Charles Martel, who massacred and forcibly converted Germanic pagans to Christianity. He and his Franks pretty much *were* the aggressive, expansionist religious supremacists that his fanboys accuse Muslims of being, and much more so than any Muslim polity that had existed up to that point in time.
The Charles Martel fandom that inevitably comes up in discussions like this is as ironic as it is tragicomic.
How about Jan Sobieski or Casimir III? got a problems with those heroes of the West?
I don’t have a “problem” with any historical person. They are what they are, I put nobody on a pedestal. I’m just commenting on how clueless such fandom is. Well, clueless or viciously tribalist, i.e. “Charles Martel may be even worse at everything that makes Muslims evil, but he’s on our side, so fuck yeah!”
As for your “heroes of the West”, I have no idea what makes Casimir III into one. As for Sobieski, it might interest you to know that early in his reign, he tried to ally with the Ottomans against Austria. Apparently he didn’t share his fanboys’ idea of the Ottomans as the supreme evil expansionist menace that must be stopped before it devours everyone. As it happened, Austria returned the favor by taking part in devouring Poland later.
Tribalism is survival. Muslims are threatening us in the west with their demographic jihad with occassional ‘outbursts’. Its hard to feel pity when the next goat beard i see might blow me up & anecdotal evidence suggest it will happen sooner rather than later. When man is threatened, he picks a side. The ones that get killed/rampaged are the ones who dont. I pick the crusaders since its the devil i know and not the devil i dont (sharia goat & baby fuckers et al).
casimir rallied all the other nations fighting against the turks and marched them under one banner (by annexing them lol, this wasnt the modern world of peace & ‘tolerance’).
sobieski… source?
Oh, you’re unapologetically tribalist, but still find the need to assert how baaad the ebil mooslims are by calling them “sharia goat & baby fuckers”. Looks like you’re just cooking up justified-sounding rationalizations for whatever the hell you feel is right. How womanly of you.
As for Sobieski, I think it was the Wiki article about him. It seems well sourced. How the hell did Casimir III have anything to do with the Turks? He died 1370, when the Seljuks were gone and the Ottoman Empire was but a tiny feudal fiefdom nibbling at the wreck of the Byzantine Empire.
I guess anybody who doesn’t agree with you is a woman. Spin hamster spin.
Here, feast on these islamic sources and articles where I base my anger on (i’m a man btw and I cite sources with my argument)
Sex with Animals
http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/abudawud/038-sat.php#038.4449
Sex with kids
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089
Sex with Aisha, a 9 year old
http://www.webcitation.org/61C5nBLpe
Sahih Bukhari vol. 5, 234: http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/058-sbt.php
you may have the last word since you think I’m foaming at the mouth (suprisingly not suicide bombing up any muslims for it!)
By quote-mining scriptures without regard for context or actual significance for the religious tradition in question, one can “prove” just about anything.
But let’s say you’re right. In another part of the comments to this article, you ranted at a Muslim about how evil Muhammed is. Why should he care? Tribalism is survival, you say. Why, then, shouldn’t he stick with his tribe, when Charles Martels who want him dead, subjugated and/or forcibly converted are rampaging about and you’re cheering them on? Or is he supposed to object to and oppose murderous supremacism on behalf of his own tribe while abiding it when done on behalf of yours?
My friend from Pakistan told me her stories about being shot in the head and not being able to go to school are all lies. That’s one of the main reason she’s not liked in Pakistan. Even her classmates don’t like here from where she claims to have been shot.
Dumb Westerners are stupid enough to believe her just because it’s related to “women’s rights.” So naive it’s amazing.
But hey, you gotta give it to her. She’s proving how stupid Western women are and they will believe anything. Might as well take the prize too ya know? heh
It makes sense because her face in recent pictures would be different from surgeries but most probably she wouldn’t have survived at all.
When have you EVER done anything a thousandth as brave as she did? When have you ever received a credible death threat. Are you blogging while living under a government that thinks your gender is inferior and unneccessary (despite the paranoia of this site’s contributors, the answer is actually “no.”). Is the mere fact that you can read and write (not with any eye for context or logic, but, still, you are functionally literate) a risk to your life? When is the last time you got shot, with “piss-poor” aim or otherwise, for what you’ve written?
Malala Yousafzai blogged anonymously at real risk to her life, until she was found out and shot (she identified herself under threat of all the girls she was with being shot.). After that, the danger to her life was even greater, although the attack was roundly criticized by many Pakistani Muslim clerics, and created even greater anti-Taliban sentiment amongst the general population.
“She says books and education are what we need to change the world, then proved that completely untrue after she ran away when a man with a gun fired a bullet into her.”
The world HAS changed and IS changing. Much to the chagrin of your ilk, women have the vote. Women are being elected. Women are allowed educations in first world countries. Despite some violence in 1st-wave feminism (later known as suffragettes), this was accomplished through education, through words. It was accomplished DESPITE men with guns.
It sounds very much as if you wish that the men with guns had been better shots, so that they could silence girls and women who speak up or write. In other words, you are siding with the Taliban.
You, “Billy Chubbs,” will never know a thousandth of the bravery of Malala Yousafzai. If it weren’t so disgusting, it would be hilarious that you’re claiming hypocrisy while anonymously writing the oh-so-brave, never-before-said beliefs of this stupid site, which boils down to “Chicks, amirite?” None of your “activism” has ever been risky, to your life nor in content.
Okay, Malala is braver than Billy Chubbs. So? Billy isn’t claiming that he should get fame and recognition for his alleged heroism, so his relative level of heroism compared to Malala’s is irrelevant.
How do you report a website?
Like is it possible
Yes. You can report any website you don’t like to the Office For Internet Freedom Of Expression, which runs in coordination with Google, Microsoft, and Apple, and can be found at this address: http://www.charlesufarley.com
Call 911 and tell the operator someone wrote a blog article you don’t like.
I’m not american so I wouldn’t do that, and it’s the whole site I have a problem with not just the one blog.
So if you “have a problem” with a website it should be shut down? Is your last name Stalin or Hitler?
Hahaha :’) fair play, but I mean come on, this site is so offensive. One of the articles is titled “5 reasons why girls with tattoos and piercings are broken”. Do you not think it’s a bit ridiculous to 1. Refer to women as broken and 2. Assume that all women who want tattoos or piercings have something wrong with them? Like why women specifically? Why not men too? Why does what you do with your image (within reason lol) have anything to do with your mental state? Does none of this ring any warning bells like, oh I dunno, ” WARNING THIS SITE IS BIGOTED AND MYSOGINISTIC AND HOMOPHOBIC AND JUST GENERALLY VERY OFFENSIVE “
I don’t know, just a thought
At no point did I say it should be shut down. Just reported for its offensive content 🙂
Also don’t shit yourself, there’s quite a large difference between disagreeing with the messages of a website and committing mass genocide <3
At the risk of stating the painfully obvious, if you don’t like it here just leave and never come back.
That is very obvious, I take your point. However I’m still entitled to an opinion on this site and I’m not really one for turning a blind eye to prejudice and discriminatory articles bashing people for frankly ridiculous things like having tattoos or piercings, or winning the Nobel peace prize.
Correction: you are allowed the privilege to post an opinion here. The operator of this site allows you to be here until he sees fit to revoke your privileges.
This site isn’t a democracy, it’s a Patriarchal Monarchy and it’s King and rulers may, metaphorically, cut out your tongue and banish you beyond the walls of his kingdom for any whimsical reason or just for sport.
Ehhhhh nope, I’m pretty sure I can say what I like without having to take part in any of your weird mediaeval fantasies 🙂 at least it was creative though! Good job <3
But seriously like you can’t kick me off a site for having a (reasonable) opinion. Or just in general. Nothing I have said is worth reporting, and you can’t block someone from a site. Sorry to disappoint.
Nothing you’ve said is worth reporting, but then neither does anything you’ve said matter.
Recipiant? You mean recipient. Spell check.
This article was interesting to say the least. I would not go so far as to say she is hiding.
3/10 WNB
Why can’t people that are going to write something like this do their damn homework?
Let me start by saying I HATE feminism and think it is retarded. But this chick had started a blog at like 11 or something speaking out about shit in her country (regardless of if you agree or not). She had such an impact that they decided it was important to assassinate a 15 year old. You make it sound like she got a flesh wound…she was in intensive care and unconscious for 2 or 3 days. (source: https://gma.yahoo.com/72-hours-saved-malala-doctors-reveal-first-time-101347540–abc-news-topstories.html)
When there are a millions of people saying they want you dead and you got shot three times (once in the head) the fact that you continue to speak out against it takes a shit ton of courage.
I would love to see how some of the commenters on here would react to a similar set of circumstances. You would probably piss your pants.
Should she have gotten the Nobel Peace Prize, don’t know. But this is a pretty brave chick.
“They can shoot my body, but they can never shoot my dreams.”
So true. Why wasn’t this brilliant wordsmith awarded a Nobel for literature, too?
So we’re calling 15 year old girls who get shot in the head by religious fanatics cowards and hypocrites now? Sorry, ROK, I’m a big fan, but you kinda jumped the shark with this one.
yeah, right….real men pick on young ladies. Billy is not a man, he is a bully.
I’m sorry, did you really just write an article chastising a FIFTEEN YEAR OLD girl for taking advantage of a chance to pursue an education in a country where she wouldn’t risk being shot in the head a SECOND time? Billy Chubbs, I’d like to hear about what you did when you were a fifteen year old Pakistani girl who got shot in the head for wanting to go to school. That would make a great article, instead of this completely oblivious, privileged bullshit that you just spouted out. I hope you write under a pseudonym, because this is frankly an embarrassing piece of journalism.
If anything, what happened to her brought a spot light on an old problem. But why is it the western world job to fix it? If the majority of women in those countries do not stand up for themselves why should I? If the majority are happy with the back-water-ways in their county who am I to force my feminist way of life on them? Women from this cultures live oppressed in western countries too…. Some by force but most by choice.
Everybody calm down and stop arguing about the legitimacy of Islam. Islam is the religion of peace and tolerance, period. And whoever says otherwise shall be killed.
This is irrational. Obviously she has to go somewhere where she can get the education she wants so she can accomplish what she wants to do. She can’t get that in Pakistan, obviously. Then perhaps she can return to her country and affect more change when she’s a fully educated adult. Give me a break, this is easily one of the dumbest things I have ever read in my life. You have jumped the gun – although that IS what the Nobel peace prize has done as well… as usual…
Hi, maybe trying to get an education despite attempts to kill you does not qualify as ” heroic” in your book. I would like to know, what have you done that can stack up?
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It’s impossible for a 1st world citizen to judge whether if she is a coward or her message is more useful as being “a mascot for Christianity in the West” versus being “a martyr in Pakistan.” Shit she can’t say nothing about education for women being dead. I don’t necessarily agree with her parading herself around in the West for publicity in respect to the women who are still being suppress like she was, however, I don’t agree with this article that once a person escapes death, that they should be “brave” enough to go back a die for the cause. That is dumb! The vast majority of commenters to this article wouldn’t “go back and die for the cause”, if they had escape death, so be real.
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Ironic she’s become a professional of raising awareness (cute, even noble at tims, but situationally useless), but does no actual work in her own home country. Oh sure, she’ll happily live off the per diem of speaking tours and autographing books. Other than that, her work is pointless; it’s not like there isn’t a dearth of examples of why Islam is a horrible religion or its horrible effects.
If you ware bipolar you need to chill and shut the fuck up. Let those who don’t have any inferior genetic problems comment on this shit, You are a fake assed alpha punk bitch motherfucker
Recipient. Not recipiant.
What lofty pursuits did you have as a 15 year old, besides wanking to porn, popping your zits, getting rejected by girls, failing spelling, and living in your entitled and privileged first-world bubble?
She did not get shot by fanatics. The whole thing is a made up story. She got shot but it was all framed.
What the fuck?! I would do same thing too…Why would i not be selfish and care for my own skin and run away from the savage land where they want me dead! The whole point of MGTOW is to do what serves my interests best and we applaud each other for it. She is doing the same thing only this time she is a female and you shame her?
I can’t say I blame her for fleeing. There’s no shame in running away when you’re unable to fight back effectively. There is shame, however, in claiming you’re a big hero, which is what she’s doing.
This article is sickening. Disgusting. Shame on you. So maybe she hasn’t saved the planet, but what have you done??? Good on her for being so brave
I completely agree with the tone of this article despite the whole ‘little girl shot in the head’ thing.
First off, the girl is just a typical girl like thousands others who risk their lives going to school every day in Pakistan. She isn’t more special than any of her classmates, her neighbors or her female counterparts overall.
Secondly, her parents were astute enough to milk the attention- she immediately moved to Britain to live off the British welfare system, alongside her parents (and God knows how many siblings and cousins), straight to Birmingham (the Muslim capital of the UK). She’s milking a system that she has had nothing to do with just because she happened to accidentally be made famous by some storyteller who singled her out. Thousands of girls get shot, kidnapped, raped and murdered in those regions. Not just for wanting to go to school, but for various other reasons.
That little girl from Yemen who was married off at 9 and ran away from her husband’s home, walked for miles to the nearest city and personally approached the judge in a court to be granted a divorce- nobody has even heard of her, nobody even knows her name.
Third, Malala’s ‘tragedy’ didn’t create anything better for her peers in Pakistan. No schools were built in that region, no hospitals, no additional security measures were adopted, no NGO or government set up any international education program for children/girls or adults in the region.
The whole shooting thing was transformed into a media frenzy that benefited her and her family and nobody else. To receive the Nobel Prize just because you are one of the thousands of victims of a criminal regime……*lmao. Stupidity at its best.
Evidently Mr Chubbs has no idea what it is like to grow in a piss poor country. Oh yeah, you’re a coddled millennial. When people threaten to shoot you of course you’re going to think it twice before going back.Either that or they’re anchor babies like one of those Republicans you probably love. That’s right I’m talking about Mr Marco Rubio, who whines about Cuba, yet will probably never step foot there unless it’s in the back of a Marine Corps Hummer. Prove me wrong and go to Pakistan.
Malala may call herself a feminist, she is anything but. Pick on someone you own size, asshole.
Don’t be too hard on her; she’s being used by her father and his handlers.
I read an article on the Henry Makow site how Malala’s father was running a network of for-profit schools indoctrinating girls with Western liberal values. The Taliban took issue with that. You can figure out the rest.
http://henrymakow.com/2014/10/malala-is-another-illuminati-p.html
The whole story reads like a Psy Op. In what smells like a set-up, the gunman boards the school bus, singles out Malala, shoots her in the head but just grazes her, shoots two other girls as an afterthought before escaping, and then she’s airlifted out for medical treatment, then celebrated as a heroine for standing up for women’s right’s while thumbing her nose at the Taliban (a bunch of tribal warlords and not the monolithic terrorist network the MSM makes them out to be).
A Red Pill man cannot help but wonder how Blue Pill people can swallow such dreck, but that is to be expected. Mentally, we are no longer the same species.
Forget a bias against Islam, this piece of shit has the gall to question the life of a 15 yr. old girl who is supposedly a “coward” b/c she doesn’t go back to Pakistan where she will definitely get killed. Instead she spends all her time promoting the education of girls and raising money for this cuase. Meanwhile this loser and this website writes it’s mysoginistic drivel and does less than zero for society. Keep it up. You’re a real tough guy.
Malala is best.I lIke Malala.
What can you expect from Pakistanis.They take country for themselves and are a Majority and they still feel threatened that there are a few Hindus,Sikhs and Christians living in fear with them.They are still trying to reach India while India has reached Mars.They are a cowardly lot and deserve to be isolated and destroyed.But America keeps treating it like a spoilt child,giving it weapons whilst it launches terror attacks everywhere (except Antartica and the Arctic,but don’t be surprised if they do stuff there).
Huh? What website is this? Did you even read her book bro? She was constantly threatened and told she had to stay home or be shot. A lot of kids stayed home and she went to school knowing she might get shot. She did face the taliban every day she went to school. One day they got on her bus and did shoot her in the head. She was flown out cause she was gonna die. She was a shy girl and her father pushed her to be a good student. This article is retarded. She didn’t have to go around giving speeches after losing part of her face, nor did she have to write a book. Most people would probably watch tv and eat Cheetos. So yeah, she kept speaking out after getting shot knowing she could get assassinated. Duh that’s why she won.