What You Need To Know To Survive A Police Interrogation

In July, 1997, Michelle Moore-Bosko was raped and murdered in Norfolk, Virginia. There was no forced entry, and the perpetrator was described as a single assailant. Soon, seven US sailors were arrested and jailed. There is no evidence that any of the men committed a crime. The police were able to extract false confessions from four Navy sailors. What happened?

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The Victim, Michelle Bosko

A female neighbor who only knew the victim for a month told the police that they should investigate Danial Williams, a 25-year-old married Navy machinist who lived in the same apartment building. Danial, being a law abiding innocent man used to obeying orders, drove to the police station to help in the investigation. He was given a polygraph test. He was innocent, and passed the test, but the police lied and told him he failed, and that he needed to stop lying to them and confess.

With no evidence pointing to Danial, and a polygraph test confirming his innocence, the police decided to interrogate him for 11 hours.  Because that’s far easier than doing real police work to find a criminal.

Initial Interview: 11 Hours

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After 11 hours of this, your mind weakens

Danial states: Being in a small room… getting in your face, yelling at you, calling you a liar, poking you in the chest with their finger, and then turns around and says ‘Well, I can help you, if you tell me the truth, tell me what happened’.  It went on and on throughout the night with them calling me a liar.”  After 11 hours, Danial falsely confessed to entering the apartment and raping Michelle, beating her in the face with a shoe, and then leaving.

The police received the autopsy report the next day. It showed that the victim was not hit with a shoe, or beaten in any way, but was stabbed and strangled (which Danial had denied doing). Instead of finding evidence, searching for the murder weapon, or finding a suspect who fit this profile, the police instead forced Danial to change his confession to fit the facts. Less than 24 hours after the murder, Danial was charged with rape and murder.

The Goal Of Interrogation Is To Obtain A Confession

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When police are in an interrogation, they are not looking for clues to solve the crime. They are trying to get the person in the room to confess. People who have never been interrogated must understand that interrogation is unnatural, stressful, and intense. There is extreme psychological pressure, sleep deprivation, hunger, and confusion. After being trapped in a small place for a long period of time, people break in response to that pressure, and they think the only way to save themselves is to put an end to the interrogation, and the police tell them the way to do that is to sign a confession.

Prosecutors Do Not Care About Justice Or Solving Crimes

Unfortunately, prosecutors acting out of laziness or downright purposefully framing an innocent person, in order to close the case, happens far too often in America. There is no motivation to solve the crime, or obtain justice for the victim, but merely to close the case and move on to another one.

As high profile programs like the podcasts Serial and Truth & Justice, or Netflix’s Making a Murderer show, prosecutors will willingly lock up people for crimes which they know they did not commit, while leaving the real criminal free to continue raping and murdering.  But what happened here went far beyond framing a single innocent man.

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Four months after locking up Danial for the crime, Danial’s DNA test came back and proved he was innocent. Unlike the UK, which has strict rules for police behavior, rules for interrogation, required taping of procedures, and prohibitions on lying to suspects, the police in America are free to lie, distort, and manipulate. They kept the DNA results which proved Danial’s innocence secret, while he rotted in jail.

The police decided that although the facts proved otherwise, there must have been multiple assailants, and sought out to lock up more innocent men. They picked up another Navy shipmate, Joe Dick Jr., a socially awkward young man with likely below average IQ. Joe claimed he was on the USS Baltimore at the time, which the police could have easily verified. But instead they also told Joe he failed his polygraph test, and traumatized him with brutal crime scene photos.

The police told Joe they knew he was guilty, and that he needed to confess. He gave DNA samples, knowing they would exonerate him, as he was innocent. Instead, the police sent him to jail and charged him with the death penalty, despite zero evidence.

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The “Norfolk Four”, all coerced into giving false confessions

After being fed info about the crime that only the killer would know, Joe made up a story naming another Navy man, Eric Wilson, as the real killer. They cops locked up Eric, and two months later, when Eric’s DNA proved him innocent, the police went back to Joe for the real killer’s name again.

Joe made up the name George Clark. The police couldn’t find a George Clark, so they instead arrested a Navy man from a completely different ship named Derek Tice, who vaguely matched this description.  After 11 hours of interrogation, Derek signed a confession.

The police then pressured Derek for more names. Derek named John Danser, who had an ironclad alibi—it was his birthday and he was out celebrating with friends. Detective Ford came back to Derek, angrily accusing him of lying because John Danser was obviously innocent.

But at the same time as the police admitted Danser had a bulletproof alibi, they prosecuted him for the crime anyway, while asking Derek for even more names. That’s right, the prosecutor admitted Danser couldn’t have done the crime, yet prosecuted him for it anyway.

Never speak to the police without a lawyer.

There is the perception by innocent people that they do not need a lawyer, because they are innocent, and the truth is the best defense of all. Asking for a lawyer makes one appear like one has something to hide. In reality, however, the innocent need a lawyer even more than the guilty.

Forced Confessions Are Easily Obtained

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The 7 Innocent Men in Jail

As NYPD detective Jay Salpeter says “How could you confess to a crime you never did? Put them in a room with me. I could do it.”  Detective Glenn Ford got 100% of the Navy men, military trained men who should have above average physical, if not mental strength, and some type of training in interrogation, to confess. “He postured like a bulldog, leaning towards me, yelling at me, calling me a liar, telling me I was going to die, and this went on for 8 hours. At least every 30 seconds, for 8 hours of constant talking, Ford would say ‘You’re going to die, you’re going to get the needle. How does it feel to die?‘”

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During the Spanish Inquisition, the authorities developed rigorous rules and methods for obtaining confessions. One stage was “showing the instruments” of torture. Many people confessed at merely the sight of the instruments they would be tortured with. The police in this case were effectively “showing the instruments” of death by threatening the needle over and over again for hours.

To most people, it sounds inconceivable that an innocent person could confess. But know that after many hours, most people can and do break down. Your will is broken down, and eventually you will cooperate in order to end the interrogation. The key is to never put yourself in the position where you are being interrogated. No one other than your family will believe you are innocent after you make a false confession.

The Truth Does Not Matter

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Omar Ballard, murderer

A woman’s stepdaughter turned in a letter to the police from Omar Ballard, who was in jail for raping a 14 year old girl, and had raped and killed another woman. In this letter, he angrily threatens the girl, and admits to killing Michelle Bosko. The police tested his semen, which matched that found in the victim, and Omar confessed to the murder, saying he acted alone.

Case closed, right? The innocent men, who don’t know Omar and have no connection to the crime other than their false confessions, will now be apologized to and let go, right? Wrong. The police said Omar must have run into the other seven men, in the parking lot, and talked them in to coming in and raping a stranger with him.

No One Is Looking Out For You

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In 2009, after serving more than a decade in prison for a crime they were clearly innocent of, VA governor Tim Kaine released three of the men (Wilson, the 4th, had already been released after serving 9 years for rape—he was never charged with murder). They went into prison as young men in their prime, and now have their souls crushed and will have trouble living out the rest of their days, and are still considered convicted felons and sex offenders.

The police, the justice system, the government, the military, and anyone else you think is supposed to look out for you, simply will not.  The victims families typically do not care about finding the actual perpetrator, but just want the police to find and kill someone. The important lesson is never talk to the police, other than identifying yourself if asked, and never, ever agree to an interrogation. Always request an attorney, and even a free public defender is better than facing the police alone. Finally, be aware of what happens to innocent men, how interrogation works, and how the mind breaks down under torture or duress.

A chilling Frontline episode documenting this story can be watched for free here.

Read More: All Public Rape Accusations Are False

335 thoughts on “What You Need To Know To Survive A Police Interrogation”

    1. Everyone really needs to watch this, I doubt it can undo all the intentional damage of generations of Perry Mason and Law & Order designed to misinform and indoctrinate, but it’s a start.

      1. Not Perry Mason..in fact the first thing Perry always says to folks is not to say ANYTHING to the cops.

        1. Fair point and thanks for making it, so I should clarify.
          That was meant more as a general statement of how television shows are not reality and effect our minds.
          For instance, I recall an episode where he used ESP as a defense (because that was a big interest at the time making it topical) but that defense would be laughable in reality.
          These shows are complete fantasy and yet I know several people who think they are clever or informed as to the law simply because they tune into whatever “Cop Drama” nearly religiously each week or watch daily marathons of their particular favorites.

        2. Oh man I loved that show. I turned it on Netflix on a whim and got engrossed in it. Gotta love a detective show that doesn’t take itself seriously. Plus, the main two guys worked so great together. Makes me want to get a partner in crime to go get into mischief with.

        3. My dad bought me a bunch of Perry Mason DVDs. He knew his ethics and goes right to the edge of them – deceiving the police, hiding clients and/or evidence, etc. It’s pretty awesome.

        4. Law and order was not only a misrepresentation of the legal process. A program saturated with highly emotional white guilt psychology and heavily propagate politically correct ideology.

        5. The original Law and Order started as a very gritty crime drama, a mean-street perspective of detectives, which later went to shit with Asst. DA “Jack McCoy” and his revolving door of hot prosecutors. In contrast, “Criminal Intent” was a huge improvement in the genre; Goren was the thinking mans’ detective.

    2. This never gets old. Everyone should listen to this talk, especially the police officer’s response, repeatedly.

  1. Welcome to the legacy of the baby boomers. Thanks, mom and dad, for creating the bankrupt amoral Hell we live in!

    1. Sure, but their parents voted for FDR like he was a god, and their grandparents Woodrow Wilson and FDR. So there was a lot of mindless stateism already seeded by their predecessors that made the Baby Boomer’s stupidity possible. If they’d tried their shit in 1870 they would have been beaten and hanged.

  2. A lot of people complain about the militarization of the police and stuff like that, but I think this article highlights a deeper problem that festers under the surface is the true cause of much of the animosity towards police nowadays:
    1) Police can lie about facts in order to keep an innocent man locked up. If you pass a polygraph, DNA test, AND have a bulletproof alibi, yet they can still detain you and interrogate you mercilessly….. there’s a problem.
    2) If a police can pull an innocent and unsuspicious man over in order to fish for other things to nail him on…. there’s a problem.
    3) When police care more about closing a case than bringing justice to the family and community…there’s a BIG problem.

    1. Agreed 100%.
      I would add:
      4) Anytime the police are being motivated on the basis of quota or politics (say a Police Chief who wants to be Mayor, a DA who wants to be a Judge, a Mayor who wants to be Governor, etc.) it can make good cops do questionable things which is a problem.
      5) Police are trained to see anyone who doesn’t show a certain (subjective) degree of submissiveness as potentially hostile.

      1. That’s the bizarre thing and the problem with pseudo science. Police look for dishonesty “tells” that are also present under great stress; say when a detective is screaming at you that you’re going to be locked up for all time for a crime you know you didn’t do.

      2. Be the perfect asshole and give as alibi fucking their wife, it’s a quicker way out really. If you are the most insulting motherfucker they hold, they will poop you out rather than charge you.
        Worked for me for a bunch of assault charges hehehe. In Europe though.

        1. In the States they’re far more militarized and many of them are war vets and act accordingly. Silence is the best option here, if confronted on the street, and if brought to the interrogation room then demand a lawyer then be quiet.

        2. You are probably right. Maybe I should come over for a visit, get into a brawl and see how that goes when I get picked up. I would if I didn’t have a little one on the way to care for.
          But in Europe it worked for me quite well in more than one country. I’m very friendly until they decide I have to get locked up, and then I switch to “yo momma so fat, when she goes around the block – she GOES AROUND THE BLOCK” etc.

        3. If you’re going to get into a fight, do it in a blue zone where the men are faggots and/or pussies. Try that shit in the midwest or Old West and you’ll get your ass handed to you, or be shot. heh

        4. You don’t know those country boys hoss. Heh. They’re not bound to take much shit and they stick together.

        5. There’s no such thing as a “fight” in America anymore. Except in hockey, but that’s imported from Canada. Mild arguments are reason enough for the guns to come out and the bullets to start flying. Sometimes it’s in your own best interests to be a pussy. Better than being shot over nothing!

      3. “5) Police are trained to see anyone who doesn’t show a certain degree of submissiveness as potentially hostile.”
        Could you back that one up? Or do you mean, police are watching body language and facial expressions as keys for suspicious behavior that might need looking into.

        1. Having been “randomly” stopped and searched by cops on several occasions (the latest just over a year ago) this seems likely. If you’re not kissing their ass or acting in some form of fear they will get aggressive.

        2. I’ve been a first-hand witness and later called to testify. A store owner was confronted by a police officer who had blocked the entrance of the building with his patrol car after a traffic stop, the store owner asked him from inside the door if “everything was okay”.
          He came in with his hand on his gun, made a show of undoing the strap, asked for ID of everyone in the store. The owner was apparently not “gracious” enough to him to suit him and so he was handcuffed and arrested.
          Later, the defense was that he was only doing as he had been trained, which sparked an investigation into the department.
          I have several other examples and realize that the statement above could be considered a sweeping generalization, but this should be sufficient for an internet forum.

        3. That’s not surprising in the least. I was in between duty stations in ’03 after the Iraq War started and on leave at home. While there I was at a local festival and one of the suburb cops walked up asking my friends and myself for ID’s since we were drinking beer.
          No harm in this initially, but the second I pulled out my military ID there was an immediate change in his demeanor, giving me the evil eye. He then asks for my duty station so I hand him my leave paperwork, informing him that I’m in between duty stations. He hands it back by jamming the leave form and ID into my hand.
          As tempting as it was to talk shit and say something along the lines of “Are you pissed because G.I.s are getting all the pussy now?” I let it go. Just having a beer in my hand would have been enough for the asshole to drag me in for the day.

        4. I don’t harbor any particular negativity toward law enforcement and realize much of the time they are employees doing a job like most people (heck, one of my greatest mentors was a retired policeman and my grandfather an MP). But in my life alone (and I’ve never been a suspect) I have seen too many occurrences to write them off as simple isolated incidents.
          Even if there isn’t implicit training to cause this behavior (and I can’t say in all cases that there is), something about it is doing it anyway maybe it attracts a certain type of person, maybe it can bring out the “cowboy” in people, maybe it just fosters bad attitudes, I don’t know.
          There usually isn’t any justifiable reason to escalate a situation like you found yourself in and it just make police look bad to do it.

        5. Indeed. Incidents like the one I described leave a sour taste not only to the one being questioned, but also to the ones who are watching.

        6. Demanding id? Um…no. What am I being accused of? What evidence do you have that I was perpetrating a crime or about to perpetrate a crime that you could reasonably articulate to a judge? Police don’t get to just walk around demanding id from random people.

        7. ” Police don’t get to just walk around demanding id from random people.”
          Unfortunately they do. It depends on the states laws and individual juristiction.

        8. Yup, in this particular instance, the State law says they can because we were in the vicinity of the traffic stop scene. When he asked me why I was there, I said: “I’m from out of town and came in to do some shopping.” Afterward, other officers came and asked me to fill out a statement. While I was, he came over and asked me if I though he’d done anything wrong. I told him I though he had handled it poorly. In the end, he was fired, but he had had the right to ask for our ID. He had stepped too far (according to the court) when he handcuffed the owner without charging him with anything and then not having anything to charge him with later either.

        9. ” heck, one of my greatest mentors was a retired policeman”
          I hear ya but the word “retired” is what sticks in my mind. He is retired meaning he is from a generation of older school cops who were a better breed no doubt.
          “There usually isn’t any justifiable reason to escalate a situation like you found yourself in and it just make police look bad to do it”
          Absolutely agree. It is not a win or lose situation, it is a break even or lose. Don’t piss these goons off, because goons are exactly what they are.

        10. Think how far it would have gone in terms of PR if he had just smiled and said:
          “Looks like you guys are having a great time (and to you, hope you are enjoying the time off). Wish I was off-duty now, so I could too.” Harmless, friendly, courteous interaction that also would have given him a more human (normal guy) persona.

        11. No, they don’t. The Constitution applies to everybody. They may think they do, their precinct/state may turn a blind eye to it, but you still have your 4th Amendment rights. Ask what crime you are committing or suspected of being about to commit and then go silent. If they could really get your id they’d just take it from you. That they ask/demand should be the tell here, that they need your “voluntary compliance”.

        12. Exactly.
          He didn’t gripe often, preferring to just regale me with tales of SNAFUs he or someone else committed, particularly as rookies. But when he did grouse it was always about how the police now weren’t the same, too aggressive, too quick to be suspicious of their neighbors, too quick on pulling the gun, etc.
          He was a great man that I’d give a thousand of most to still have him with us today.

        13. Which reminds me of during my last encounter with officers just over a year ago. There was a call for a domestic disturbance while I was out for a walk and I was stopped four times (yes four) because I matched the description of the man they were called for. Three out of those four times, the officers were courteous, polite and full of humor. That one out of the four on the other hand was a total dick.

        14. It wasn’t as though he “demanded” it though. And what got him in the end was that we had all been cooperative, even outside of how much we might have been, sort of above and beyond. Hard to charge someone with “well, he inquired whether everything was okay.”
          Like Morrison says, just because they may not have the right to ask to see it, doesn’t mean they don’t do it anyway, and in this example he was loosely tying it to “scene of the crime,” which the court naturally saw for the stretch that it was.

        15. Why people continue to live in big cities baffles me.

        16. I can sympathize with the plight they face in dealing with say, gangbangers and drug empires maybe the occasional hostage/terrorist situation, but at one time the only time this level of response would be seen as acceptable would have been if they were National Guard and I still feel that’s the way it should be.

        17. Agreed. Too many cities in the states got panic happy after 9/11 and think having military hardware will protect them while handing their rights over at the same time. Ol’ Ben Franklin was right.

        18. I’ve discussed that with the wife, and she’s all for getting a place out in the countryside when we can afford it.

        19. The militarization of the cops long predates 9/11. I recall the Cato Institute and Reason Magazine doing many articles on it in the 1990’s.

        20. While surprising at first, but not when you think about it. This has been gradual since the crack wars of the 80’s and LA riots in the early 90’s.

        21. Yep, that sounds about right. I think the institution of SWAT teams in the 1970’s is what started the trend, but it really didn’t catch on until the 1990’s in full. By 9/11 it was present, it just got accelerated.

        22. I think so, yeah. There was a propaganda show on in the 1970’s called, I think, just “SWAT” which tried to lionize the shit. My grandfather called it a “revolting show” at the time and refused to allow it to be viewed in his house. Good man, my grandfather.

        23. Sadly, the constitution only applies if those in authority recognize it and punish those who violate the rights it protects. If illegally asked to identify myself, sadly I would do so, and if questioning continued I would go silent or ask if I’m free to go, etc. Anything else risks angering a roid head authority hungry cop that is 100% backed up by the justice system. Look at how these innocent guys were treated in this story? The truth or the law does not help you.

        24. That’s pretty much how one officer acted when they were looking for a guy in my neighborhood about a year ago (see a previous comment). I’ve already been checked a couple times, asshole sees me at the intersection while out for a walk and makes a u-turn. Hides behind the vehicle camera when he parks it, places his hand on his pistol and has me approach him before placing me in cuffs.

        25. One incident , were you were asked to testify, weak defense followed by an investigation. Sound like the process worked.
          There are guys out there who should not be cops… most will get weeded out eventually or the whole department will go to shit and become a corrupt hole where the good ones will leave. As there are departments who will protect special snowflakes (affirmative action hires) who will be protected from their fuckups, they will have hire incidents than most.

        26. If the cop never served, it is because he only knows some branches of the military are trained and are capable of inflicting a high capacity of violence. Bet he was a democrat.

        27. They’re cool until your 30 and want to stop banging young tarts and buy a house , have a family etc etc

        28. Doubtful since this was in Texas. A lot of the cops in my area that are in townships have a power trip mentality with little to do and plenty of time to mess with teenagers.

        29. What the hell kind of cop gives crap to a military man? Aren’t most police departments full of veterans?

        30. I once worked a job where we had many law enforcement customers. Most of them don’t even want to take you to jail(not talking about real professional criminals here), but you can insist by being an asshole. There were a couple of “tough guys”, but most of the cops were just doing their jobs. I suspect the “tough guys” were the problem.
          Don’t talk to the police, but sure as shooting don’t leave them with no choice if you can avoid it.

        31. The irony is, as I understand it, early “militarization” was a conscious aping of the LAPD under Chief Parker. The only reason Parker, a great American, went that direction with the LAPD was because the geography of LA proved hostile to the kind of policing that was traditional in the rest of America. You can’t have beat cops when your beat is 30 miles of road, and it makes to sense to develop a “reserve” (what became the Metro division) when you’re so spread out that police presence is always going to be spotty.
          In other words, he created a Highway Patrol for a city with a lot of highways. It’s a specific strategy for a specific problem, but other American cities that didn’t have that problem thought “that looks cool” and went about destroying the tried and true.

        32. Hate to say it, but civilians (and police, for that matter) have an overall contempt for the military. Always have, always will. Civilians mostly, since there are so many EZ-credits, payday loans and pawn shops near military bases, to fleece servicemen.
          The old joke goes: why do we have firefighters?
          A: To give the police someone to look up to!

        33. Some of them couldn’t make it. The vast majority of the civilian world treats the military with utter contempt, anyway. I have seen it first hand.

        34. Ironic that the militarization of police coincides with falling crime rates (since the mid 1990’s, IIRC), So what the hell are they gearing up for, anyway? In my state (Washington), I seldom see law enforcement going full Rambo (retard) for nickel-and-dime shit, unlike the South or Nawt’east. Even the Midwest is pretty tame as memory serves.

        35. Right . Civilians are mud. Never talk to a cop. Shit test the system and you find how separate the cops on beat are from average bystanders or civilians. It’s like they’re a separate class altogether, not human, predatory.
          Have you ever wanted to stop out of curiosity and either film or poke your nose into a gang stop of seven cop cars with dogs tearing someone’s car apart? Just try and get close to an active stop and they’ll have you on the ground in cuffs and pick your wallet. If you want your money back, they’ll dunk you deeper. All for asking ”wazzup”. Talk 4th amendment and pro libertarian points and they respond by teaching you that they’re not for talking to like that.
          I once had my own car torn apart in a random stop. The commie thug asked if I had anything I wasn’t supposed to in my vehicle and if he could look. I told him no and no he couldn’t look, 4th amendment. I sat for an hour while they called in a k-9 and a short bitch cop arrives with dog. After 5 min sniffing around my car, the dog wags his tail and they shout ”we got a hit”. Then they trash my car. I wasn’t afraid but furious that passer’s by just looked on like sheep. I have to AND MUST film and inquire every gang stop now where seven cop cars are surrounding someone in their car. Maybe they refused a random stop search and said the bad word ”4th amendment”.
          The old guard is corrupt and lowest level cops are ordered to keep their ratio of civilians randomly bitch smacked. It promotes general blind compliance with sheep in fear. It keeps civilians on their toes and families pulling each other’s hair out to shush, be quiet and not draw fire. It’s the bass level of the tyranny. You know we have tyranny. An entire class of tyrants has webbed itself about us. We the people have the last word. Tyrants know that their reign ends in head chopping but they’re too drunk on the power to know they’re headed for that brick wall without brakes. Adios.

        36. Also the ones who ade threatened by anyone recognizing that dynamic and speaking openly about it. “Could you back that one up? Or do you mean, police are watching body language and facial expressions as keys for suspicious behavior that might need looking into.” There’s a lot going on in that comment.

        37. I think that we definitely have a big problem with not only the police but, all forms of authority within the public sphere (teachers, military etc.). But you actually sound like you may have some unrealistic expectations. You can’t walk up into a stop or arrest and expect to just hang out and chat.

        38. No I agree cops get ‘turfy’ around a powerfest stop. The get like fat women do in the target restroom, armed with handbags full of rocks. Bitches. The droid bot PC enforcer boot cops are a bunch of women. The corrupt ‘war OF drugs’ liberty stealing cops are the stupidest cops. They’re like sorry damaged goods women like a racoon pack with rabies. That’s all they are mentally. Mad women, and they’re like deranged he bitches with badges. Common sense dictates how much an uninvolved person can interact with them. My other comment (newer) I proposed using spy cameras to film cops from close enough distance to capture good video. Always film a roughing or swatting if you can.
          Also you mentioned teachers. They have your kids hostage in public school. They can have them interrogated by socialist services goons without your informed consent. It’s a totally un necessary tyranny everywhere.
          I overheard a mom and dad having brunch with their teen son in a McD’s where he was discussing his graduation plans. He was telling his parents how he talked to the school guidance counsellor and that he’s decided on pursuing either criminal justice or social work. They were at the adjacent table. Is that all the career advice a shitlib can give I wanted to butt in and say. Those two fields are like GOON, GOON and DOUBLE GOON. Our kids are being sucked into the goon hoarde. I had to keep it milk toast so I said ‘merchant marines’ is the hot choice for careers. Travel the world and MEET HOT GIRLS. Then his mom got a light bulb it looked like and started googling it.

        39. Eventually you’ll get your rights violations dealt with appropriately. You have to think long view with these kinds of things. You may get beaten and threatened and have your rights taken away short term, but long term there are remedies which are frequently found.

        40. Nah, they make me claustrophobic. Can’t stand big cities, even outside of the Police State atmosphere most of them have.

        41. I’m not surprised by it in the least, since I was already in prior to 9-11 and military were openly mocked and called losers for signing up during an economic boom.

        42. they are, and havent been for a long while now, peace officers. Police today to the bidding of their (our) political/corporate overlords. Their role as enforcers mirrors the mafia model.

        43. They’re gearing up because this country went full Hamiltonian permanently back in 1865. The mercantilists have run the show ever since.

        44. LOL! The Constitution….LOL! The law is whatever the cops, prosecutors, judges say it is, not what the writing on some paper says. Where you been?

        45. You dont have any rights, you have privileges. rights aren’t rights if they can be taken away-G. Carlin

        46. “Tough guys” = roided up psychopaths. If baseball and football players can do their jobs without drugs, so can the police. Very very very interesting that there are NO programs in place to test each and every cop for steroids.

        47. Guy in small town had dispute with neighbours. Escalated to violence when neighbours beat guy with baseball bat. Cops wouldn’t do anything. Neighbours then called police and falsely claimed guy had a handgun. Cops go to the guy’s place and execute him. (Yes, the guy who was beaten with a baseball bat. That’s what you get for making a criminal complaint of assault!) When the 77 year old mother exits the house, they blow her away, too. Nice neighbourhood, eh? I can assure you nobody in Northern British Columbia is afraid of Islamic terrorists.
          PS This is in small village of a few hundred residents. It is no safer in small towns than in the big cities, except you don’t have to worry about gangsters indiscriminately killing innocent citizens as the RCMP has a monopoly on that.

        48. One quarter of all police are on steroids? Sounds about right. Glad to hear you didn’t end up dead or a paraplegic.

        49. “If baseball and football players can do their jobs without drugs…” Hmmmmmmm…..
          But yeah, there was an article on T Nation years ago interviewing cops who did steroids to stay competitive against criminals.

        50. There’s a lot of fucked up psychology that goes on with cops. They’re in constant “freaked out and fed up” mode with the public, but they have to hide it, so they lie to themselves and just become bullies First, it’s a safety thing in case that one guy out of a 100 is THE one to put a bullet in them. Also, they’re responsible of managing the situation, because if you hurt someone else, the cops held liable. Finally, you could Mother Theresa, but the past 10 people he’s met that day fucked with him pretty bad, so he’s proactively telling you he’s not going to take any shit.
          A lot of cops take martial arts and awareness training. So they’re looking for non-verbal cues from you. If you nervously keep put your hand in your empty back pocket, he’s going to shoot you. If you have a life-long stutter, he’s going to assume that you’re stuttering because you’re lying and scared. A whole lot of stuff that your average, high-school educated police man shouldn’t be trying to do.

      4. “Agreed 100%.
        I would add:
        4) Anytime the police are being motivated on the basis of quota or politics (say a Police Chief who wants to be Mayor, a PA who wants to be a Judge, a Mayor who wants to be Governor, etc.) it can make good cops do questionable things which is a problem”
        Exactly. On a quiet day it’s all about the quotas. At best the occassional police mugging in the form of a fucked up trumped up fine for “J” walking, at worst it is simply throwing an innocent man in jail to keep the justice-industrial complex going.

      5. “5) Police are trained to see anyone who doesn’t show a certain (subjective) degree of submissiveness as potentially hostile.”
        That sounds interesting and makes sene. Any further details on that?

        1. Well, part of it is that they are always at risk of winning what you might call the “asshole lottery”. Stop enough people and someone is going to escalate and violence happens fast. So the idea is “better safe than sorry” when you see the first signs of trouble rather than waiting for things to get worse. That’s my understanding anyway.
          Unfortunately they can be held responsible if they make a mistake that gets someone hurt, so they’re more likely to lean on preparing for violence first. Of course violence wouldn’t be so likely if society hadn’t detonated civilizing social structures but there you go.

        2. In the U.S. police are rarely ‘held responsible’ for their mistakes. A mistake falls under qualified immunity. Even when a cop is prosecuted, they are punished less than mundanes are for the same crimes. As citizens become less violent-historic lows in violent crime the last 20 years in the U.S-the police have become less restrained and more violent. Example: 8% of U.S. gun deaths are at the hands of police.

    2. Sadly I think what we’re looking at is a general lack of morality on the part of the entire population. There was a time our culture considered a lie a sin. it was just wrong, very hard to justify. Now everyone seems to think that if you can justify your lie it’s okay. so everyone’s first reaction is to lie and then find a justification for it later

    3. The main problem is that even when the victims win a lawsuit, it’s the taxpayers who have to hand over money for the settlement when it should be the Police Unions, the guilty dept and the individual cops who should be forced to pay out of their own pockets. Why should ANY of us pay for their fuck ups?

      1. Well yes, there’s another problem. The cops have no real incentive to do their jobs well because if they are sued the taxpayers are going to pay all the legal costs. Something needs to be changed in order to put the fear of God into the cops so they’re incentivized to do their jobs and do them to the best of their abilities.

        1. cops cant be sued personally. look up how much money U.S. cops have paid out in lawsuits. almost zero.

    4. The problem is ….the police and the concept that government can distribute justice. The entire justice system- what they call it, not me- has a priority, staying in power and expanding its power. Think about how those oh so honorable men and women in uniform behave when there are NO legal restraints on them at all.

  3. Indeed. Never go to the police station for “questioning” without an attorney present. The first thing you should do whenever the police want to question you is get an attorney involved.
    The police are only going to tell you what they have to (legally) tell you (one being to read you your rights if arrested). But being questioned by the police requires a skilled attorney who is going to look out for your best interest.
    Last but not least (in today’s world) you may have to counter sue for defamation (or other). People have no trouble dragging you (and your good name) through the mud to get what they want in the end. With social media, it’s even worse. If this ever happened to me, then I would sue everyone involved: the police (the city) and any other party who gave out my name of questioning. People have no shame and they have no problem hanging you out to dry (just because they are bored).
    If you sue their ass, then it would send a clear message: fuck with me and I’m taking everything that you own.

    1. A side note: I always answer my door with my .45 on my hip (even the police).
      If you want to see a look of surprise on someone’s face, then carry (in your home). This sends a clear message to all: this is my house, I’m the sheriff and we’ll have no funny business here in my castle.

      1. I say, carry all the time. Heh. Eventually your local cops get used to it though.

    2. Never go to the police station for “questioning” without an attorney present.
      They can’t make you go for questioning as far as I’m aware. They can ask if you will go to the station but you should refuse to do so. If they had any real evidence that you had committed a crime then they would place you under arrest at which point you would keep your mouth shut and demand your lawyer. And you can’t talk your way out of getting arrested.

  4. This isn’t even the worst part, in a few years time the police will be employing sick interrogation tactics against people who have politically incorrect opinions

    1. Yeah like some kind of P.C orwellian Stasi :
      2030’s grinning transsexual cop to white male suspect :
      “-Do you know why you’re here ?
      – No.
      – Thinking that the Serenity and Tolerance Services could retain you without reason is already … problematic, and already a reason for us to educate you. Let me ask you again, do you know why you’re here ?”
      20 hours later :
      “- Do you know why you’re here?
      Suspect breaks in tears :
      “- I made a hurtful remark to my son when he decided he was a girl and started wearing fabulous miniskirts… I’m so sorry… Please don’t take him away from me…
      – I see… You see, John, may I call you John ? Even the vocabulary you’re using is already problematic. While referring to your “son” you’re using a gendered word, full of backward stereotypes. First, your …heum…”son” is not “yours”, it belongs to the community, we cannot take it away from you nor can you keep it from us, and it is considered abusive by the law to gender your assigned young human before its sexual majority at 12. This is micro-agression and that is a crime.
      Now I understand that in the countryside the old stereotypes die harder than in cities, but we’re going to have to re-educate you, John. I’ll transfer your file to the Sensitivity training department.
      – No, please, nohohoh !!!!”

        1. Ahh, yes, the “Ludovico Technique”. I recommend you check out two videos on that, by film analyst/YouTuber extroardinaire Rob Ager. Entertaining and funny as hell! I’m a big fan of ACO

    2. I heard on Rush Limbaugh that a group of left leaning prosecutors were trying to pass a law that says climate denial is a crime!

    3. I am not a Muslim, I don’t know any Muslims, and I don’t associate with Muslims. Your accusations are false! How can I name names when I don’t even know any Muslims? Ouch! Stop that! Oh, okay, I know a Muslim named Fred Flintstone and I’m pretty sure he’s a terrorist. Now can you please remove those splints from under my fingernails?

  5. There is a general principle when arrested (for anything), and that is The 5 Words: I Have Nothing To Say.
    The problem is when you are arrested by federal instead of local or state forces. Under the Patriot Act they can do whatever they want with you, and you dont even have the Miranda Rights.

    1. They don’t have to tell you your Miranda rights, true. You still have the right to remain silent. Use it.

  6. This is the same thing that happened to the Central Park Five. The police could never prove their guilt. In their case, it could have been racially bias. In this case, it was apparently horny Sailors, some with social anxiety.

    1. Also with the West Memphis Three. Three teen headbangers were charged with the rape and murder of a couple neighborhood boys. All were questioned without their parents present and were not informed of their rights during questioning. All evidence clearly pointed to someone else but the state of Arkansas has refused to admit any of the new evidence for their defense.
      They’ve only recently been released in the last year or so and all three of them are in their late 30’s/early 40’s.

  7. If you ask for your attorney upon being questioned, you are more protected from the police re-approaching you for questioning than if you just assert your right to remain silent.

  8. My strategy is to continually mock their intelligence. It gets you punched hard but also no one wants to talk to you. Interrogators included.
    And yes this has worked IRL more than once.

    1. That would seem to be grounds to sue the police department. If you’re sitting at a table, making no violent gestures or threats, and a policeman punches you simply because you’re insulting their cognitive abilities, I’d think you could take them to court.

      1. I’m ok with a few punches so long as they let me out soon. I think the most ridiculous was getting punched in the head while in a moving police car. I was underage at the time but didn’t have ID on me to prove it. But that was minor, I have been beaten black and blue all over by baton wielding officers, and all that jazz. They beat me for about 20 min or so, while I was handcuffed behind my back.
        The countries where this happened have zero record of police being convicted or or anyone being compensated so suing would have been pointless. Yay Scandinavian countries huh?

    2. It might work in real life but odds are that the cops and prosecutors can twist anything you say into something that is incriminating. It is best to be silent and demand a lawyer.

      1. In my experience they let you go after a day or two if you are enough of an asshole. They just seem to give up. How can one use “I think your mommy was your daddys sister” in a constructive way in court?
        I’m serious actually, I have gotten out of tons of shit I did do, guilty as hell, caught almost in the act, and let go without charge.

  9. I’m reading a great book “The Rape of the Mind.”
    A major topic is brainwashing of prisoners of war during the Korean War by the Commies. Another is how the author worked to resist Nazi interrogation during WWII.
    The basics are the psychological games being played and what the victim’s mind is doing to him.
    So yes, STFU and don’t say a word.

      1. Go punch a guy in a bar and see for yourself how you hold up. I’ve seen a lot of armchair theories fall flat when the shit hits the fan.
        I’m not saying you would but it you don’t know you are just theorizing.

        1. I prefer having done what I’m accused of and insulting them until they let me go anyway.

        2. As an open carrier I agree that theory does take practice in real life. BUT…once you actualize theory into practice, it’s not too hard. The amount of words I say to any cop who bothers me for open carry is zero. If they get persistent, which few to none actually have done recently, then I simply do the “Am I being detained or am I free to go” and then rig for silent running.

  10. I have never been questioned by police on an occasion where I wasn’t guilty as hell and I have learned in this situation to keep quiet no matter what and let lawyers talk for you. That said, deep in my heart this is exactly how I would like to deal with an interrogation….”what are you doing here? I thought I told you to go fuck your mother”

  11. And, speaking as a cop, I never charged anyone with anything unless I was 100% sure that they did it. Most cops I have worked with are decent guys and are not trying to hem you up, as there is lots of real crime and real bad guys out there to deal with. That being said, you only have to look at this case and the Duke Lacrosse case to see that sometimes there is a rogue or stupid officer/agent/detective who has ulterior motives or is just outright mistaken about things. Bad or mistaken can still ruin your life.

    1. From my experience, it isn’t so much the police but an aggressive DA office looking to make a name for himself. Also depending on what judge you get as some seem to have agendas– it can be Russian roulette.

      1. I won’t argue that. The truth is though that in the average case (not media hyped, etc) all the cops and ADAs and everyone want to do is to half-ass move things along through the system. There is not that much crusading except in outlier cases, but it sure would suck to be one of them!

    2. The only reason that Michael Nifong was busted was because his final victims were rich and able to afford the kind of lawyers that could take him down.
      One can’t help but wonder how many more innocent people Nifong was able to incarcerate or otherwise ruin the lives of because they didn’t have resources needed to hire quality legal representation.

      1. I agree 100% with that, which is one of the reasons that a man needs some financial wherewithal to be able to withstand things like this. Yes, yes, I know, when the revolution comes and we hang all the lawyers, this will not be an issue. But unless and until that time comes, be prepared to pay the freight to stay free if you need to. That is the reality of the situation.

      2. I knew Nifong. He was a choad since birth but he was a back-bencher administrator of little consequence until his old boss got appointed judge (Jim Hardin – not a bad guy) and Nifong got appointed DA in his place. Duke Lacrosse was his first big case and he was all wrong. FYI, Durham is a shithole. The girl who replaced him, Tracey Cline, got disbarred and removed from office for misconduct. Durham will never elect someone who will actually go after the problem there, which is tremendous levels of black-on-black and black-on-white street crime.

    3. I’m calling bullshit on this. If you are a cop, you are an enforcer of uncivil bastard ass laws that have nothing to do with helping or serving the common man.
      To me, you and all your colleagues are shitpiles who do almost nothing positive and most everything negative for people in your community.
      I’ve been beaten up more times than I care to remember by asshole dipshits exactly like you who think they work with good decent guys.
      So to summarize: FUCK YOU and all your colleagues, I hope you or your mothers or wives get fucking cancer because you deserve it more than any other group.

      1. I think you have me confused with somebody else. I’m probably not the one who sent you to prison and then fucked your old lady and drank your beer while you were in the joint.

        1. You are a good sport, I’ll give you that. And yes you are not personally whom I have an issue with, but if you are a cop you are either blind of have seen the bullshit and turned the other way.
          I used to be in the military (surprise! Ex army bar brawler) and I had to get out because I can’t support what they do.

        2. Oh yeah that sense of humor you’re a cop. I’ve run into jerk cops and my two best friends in this world are cops. I have found that many complaints against cops are true. And I’ve also found that virulent cop haters are some of the worst picks in this world. In other words it’s not real surprising that cops who have had power over them. They have whooped them on the head. because God I want to do it when I’m around them.

        3. Noth666, I am a reserve officer now, with over 20 years of police work. As a thoughtful man, dealing with true bad guys and the sheer ignorance of many people coupled with working for dildos for no money made me go back into self employment. I never really got with the program, especially with the bullshit DV laws and such. I am in sales full time now. I go in to work a shift every month or so at the PD and ride around and smile and wave and check out the girls. My younger “save the world” self has mellowed into a cop who can take care of business when needed but who doesn’t go around looking for reasons to do it. It’s kind of fun, a change of pace, and I get to help some folks here and there. I get some free ammo to qualify with and get to carry guns almost wherever I want to. Lots of Army friends from being kinda near Fort Bragg, but I never went Jody with their wives!

        4. get to carry guns almost wherever I want to.
          Me too! Although I’m not a cop.
          I’m an Ohioan.
          O! H!……..I! O!

        5. I am all for civilian concealed carry. I teach the class here in NC. I just get to carry it more places throughout the land such as into commie places like NYC and California as a policeman.

        6. We open carry here too, without a license. Works great. Cops don’t bother us either, at least not any longer. Our revised code now stipulates that if a cop tries to deprive you of a right under color of law, that you can sue their department for damages AND they have to cover your legal fees to do so. That put the kibosh on harassment almost immediately. Once a PD in Cleveland had to cough up a quarter of a million for harassing an open carrier they “re-trained” post haste.
          I do get what you’re saying about universal carry even in commie states.

        7. “Tin soldiers and Nixon coming. We’re finally on our own.
          This summer I hear the drumming,
          Four dead in Oh Hi O.”

        8. I don’t mind shooting hippies who throw bricks at people’s faces. In fact, I’m all for it. Fuck hippies and Leftists. They start violence they get what’s coming to them. This was a “tragedy” only to Leftists. They had it coming.

        9. You should see what they’re doing in France right now. They throw some IED at the cops and they get away with the leftist pass from the socialist government.

        10. I’m not in Fayettenam, but not too far. Fayettenam and its immediate surroundings is still a shithole and likely always will be. Where I work it isn’t THAT far away, but far enough to be out of that zone of nastiness. We are close enough that there are a lot of soldiers and retired military, and it is a pleasant town and very pro-military.

      2. I understand hatred of cops. I have had a few bad breaks with them as well. I have even had bad luck in recent years while being exactly who you would expect the cops to be in business to protect. However, I think of the police like pretty much any group of people.
        20% are decent people doing their job
        20% are insufferable assholes
        60% are somewhere on the line in between, mucking their way through life and leaning one direction or the other.
        The fact that @born_in_the_pinywoods can articulate himself and is on this site gives him, in my book, the benefit of the doubt for being at least a member of the better part of the 60% and maybe even part of the20% of decent guys.

        1. But I’d say the number of prosecutors who are “good” is in the single digits.
          Remember Elliot Spitzer? Ruined the lives of so many for having high priced call girls? Meanwhile he was doing the same thing. Fucking hypocrite. And he is one of the better ones.

        2. I’d have to disagree. At this point in time, cops know that no one appreciates them, so the only ones joining up are either idealists or thugs. And idealists always either quit, or become thugs. They know that their job is to enforce laws without regard to their justice, so they ought to know what they are. Watch ‘Harsh Times’ to see what I mean.

        3. I think that what you say is *mostly* true. However, at least here, cop is a union gig and a lot of people join up because fuck if, good health, not a lot of requirements, decent pay and a gun ftw. By 65 your out and living the good life in Florida. But 90% are as you say, bullies and gang members.

        4. Mostly they start as idealists and end up as suspicious, unhappy people. Some people can keep it in perspective, but it is hard to do when you deal with total shitbirds 12 hours a day as you do most places as an urban cop. When I left full time police work, my blood pressure went down, my income level went up, and I was no longer getting shot at. And no more night shift, which is only fun until about 3 in the morning to me after I hit 40. That part between 3 and 6 or 7 or whenever quitting time is just SUCKS.

        5. Having to deal with shitbirds for 12 hours a day is part of the job. Why this obvious fact gets to be utilized as an excuse to justify a cop becoming a completely jaded asshole who treats everyone he encounters like total shit is beyond me.
          You knew what you were getting into when you signed up for the job. You understood and accepted the fact that you’d be spending the lion’s share of your time dealing with the garbage of society. Every time you put on the uniform, you tacitly acknowledge that you’re going to spend the rest of the day dealing with shitbirds. You’ll forgive me if I find no sympathy for the asshole cop who pulls the “I deal with shitbirds all day” card as an excuse to become a total cock jockey.
          If you can’t deal with the fact that your job involves dealing with the darker elements of society on a regular basis, you have absolutely no business being a cop. If you find yourseld becoming a jaded douche nozzle who is suspicious of everyone and has no problem ignoring laws that inconvenience you, it’s time to turn in your badge and gun and find a new line of work.

    4. As a cop you basically have everybody lying to you. so it’s pretty easy to become a very suspicious person. That suspicion could convince you that an innocent man is guilty. For that reason innocent men need to be careful, they need to protect themselves.

      1. great point- the job grinds you down. Idealistic 25 yr olds fresh out of the academy turn into “everybody is a perp” before they hit 40 (I know two guys like this- they cant wait to retire)

    5. If you claim most are good guys in the force, you should have no problems flushing out the bad ones, unless you get backlash for ratting them out.

      1. I have done that. I used to work for an urban PD that lowered hiring standards considerably to get more minorities and girls in. But for my own benefit, I fixed that by now working for a much smaller agency where a friend of mine is the Chief. He is good as gold, and we are very low-key and respectful. It is a smaller town, and it is probably more like the Norman Rockwell 50’s in the policeman’s attitude towards the citizens and the citizens’ attitude towards the police. Very cooperative and we do MUCH more assisting people than arresting them. We got most of the real knuckleheads in town to decide that they didn’t want to be stealing or hurting people here after a spell of heavy enforcement on the real bad guys. They all left for greener pastures and the decent citizens who make up most of the town are happy that we are there.

  12. Time was, the police, and the prosecutors who work with them, regarded themselves as servants of justice rather than careerists hoping to rise by their success at obtaining convictions. Sadly, that hasn’t been the case since well before Michael Nifong tried to railroad the Duke Lacrosse players. It might never be so again.
    What, then, must we do?

    1. Tell them they are stupid, work that shit hard and ruthless. They will beat you but the one thing they won’t do is want to talk to you.

      1. I can easily out maneuver a cop intellectually, but the problem is that one poorly chosen word can be snatched up as probable cause for an entire other line of questioning. The media has conditioned us to always try to talk our way out of things with cops, but that only plays into their hands. Say nothing. Not one damned word, except (if you’re being interrogated): “I want my lawyer”. Then shut the pie hole.

        1. I usually talk about philosophical positions and the incestous behavior of their parents, and it never got me in trouble. I’m not saying everyone can pull it off or that it’s the best way, but it worked for me. I got picked up once after a brawl and had a bullet in my pocket. That’s firearms violation right there in the country it was in.
          I said it wasn’t mine, they got their shit mixed up, but it’s understandable since their dad is also granddad. I kept talking about the disadvantages children of incestous relations face until they literally kicked me the fuck out of the station.

    2. The best you can do is as the article suggests. Assert your rights against self-incrimination and demand an attorney.

  13. Everyone needs to know that the police are not your friends. Keep your mouth shut, until you have a lawyer. Your lawyer can help you with just how helpful you should be. The cops job is to arrest someone. They are not evil men, but if your only tool is a hammer, everyone starts to look like a nail.

    1. This seems true to me. On the same token, your insurance salesman, real estate broker, your lawyer and the guy who is cooking your food at a restaurant…none of them are your friends either. You are someone that they do not fucking know and to the extent that their job calls for it they will be civil to you.

      1. That’s pretty much the point. I’m not into bad-mouthing cops. They are decent men doing their job. But they can be very narrow-minded and that narrow focus, could be the end of your life. Protect yourself because the cops job is not to protect you from the law.

        1. Similar. But like my strategy on race….hate fucking everyone….never be racist….I am into bad-mouthing just everyone…cops aren’t spared, but neither do I put a big target on them just because they are cops. It all comes down to humans sucking.

  14. Never willingly go to an interrogation room. If you find yourself in one, demand a lawyer be present.
    The justice system isn’t interested in justice, just convictions.

    1. They may counter with the claim that there isn’t a lawyer in the country who’ll take your case.

      1. Doesn’t matter what they say, ignore them. Demand the lawyer and then clam up. Their opinions are irrelevant to your rights.

        1. How long can you mentally remain clammed up in the interrogation room? You might be in there for days on end until you crack.

        2. Being quiet is easy. I do it naturally in real life even around friends. I’ve also been in situations with cops enough times now to have developed discipline. And “in the interrogation room for days” is bullshit, if you don’t get a lawyer and have been demanding one the entire time, most of what they “extract” can be deemed inadmissible.

        3. If they detain you for days without being charged, isn’t that writ of habeas corpus or some legal speak like that?

        4. Yep. You get to retire wherever you want and they get to finance it. Always remember that the situation they put you in is temporary and transient. Keep quiet then get revenge through the court system when they do everything wrong. If you are well versed on your rights you can win these kinds of things. Unfortunately people tend to have the “just make it stop!” mentality not realizing that they are not going to be there “forever”.
          And whatever you do, do not recite “I know my rights!” to them. Stay silent. Be fucking quiet. Period. End of story.

      2. Which is a lie of course. Just repeat “lawyer” over and over.
        Also, unless you’re being charged, you are free to leave. So try to leave. If they are aggressive, at least you can get them to charge you and you get your phone call.
        This is all conjecture of course. Your rights don’t matter if the police detective is a shiftless douchebag.

  15. A friend of mine was arrested after he called up the police when his wife pulled a knife on him. He was totally confused that they got him instead of the woman. He told me that the policemen were even giving each other high fives for a job well done.
    A female lawyer advised him to admit that he slapped her on the face once and get away with caution. He was so traumatized so he did exactly that. They released him the next day as allegedly his wife did not want to want to press charges.
    When he asked her why she didn’t tell the police that she pulled a knife on him, she replied that she was too scared they would lock her up and her young baby will cry.
    Police are not your friends, nor is the legal system, nor is your own wife. Look after yourself.

    1. This sounds a lot familiar… Women and getting scared, and cops doing shit they know is wrong.

    2. Damn right they’d arrest her if she admitted pulling a knife on you. You can’t just pull a knife on someone. Married or not. People do get stabbed that way occasionally.

    3. sounds like your friend got the business end of a gangbang between cops, lawyers and a woman. Sorry to hear that. I hope he knows from now on to keep his mouth shut and demand a lawyer. My guess, however, is that he fell victim to the thing that so many of us fall victim too…while wanting to not get in trouble or be behind bars we still, for whatever reason, we still protect our women.
      So many men will say like “she pulled a knife on me” but then hesitate when it comes to the next step of keeping quiet, waiting patiently, getting a lawyer and then pressing charges against her.
      This is something we need to get over. If a woman pulls a knife on you you can not knock it out of her hand and give her a good beating to teach her not to do it again. However, you still can avail yourself of what little scraps remain of the legal system and should — even if, or more likely when, she is totally exonerated at least she will have had to get a lawyer and go through an ordeal.

  16. Excellent article. I agree on all points made. The system is aldo in the process of becoming semi privatized which means the wrongly accused and wrongly convited is still good for business.
    I recommend everyone print out Roscoe’s article and this one that ran a while back: http://www.returnofkings.com/35672/how-should-men-deal-with-todays-american-police
    It’s brutal out there in wasteland USA and until we get our civil war / national reboot, for any man who has his day in court, it will be his last day of freedom, ever.

  17. Only folks I know of who can stand down cops without blinking are your Special Forces types. They’re just better trained all around, physically (not in terms of the law) and cops know it too.

    1. Lol, being SF just means they bring the heavy guns out. I’ve been arrested by I shit you not 5 or maybe 6 tactical units. Guns out and all. I’m res. SF. They handcuff you before beating your ass like a drum with batons.
      Edit to add my bad? Sitting in the car with a drunk driver. Parked.

      1. Well in context … I just read Erik Prince’s book on Blackwater (his company, largely manned by ex-SF types, mostly doing PSD stuff in Iraq at the time) and Prince is pretty clear about the “pecking order” for prospective Blackwater contractors. SF at the top of the hierarchy (Delta, then SEAL … no offense to Navy types), then regular military folks, and cops down near the bottom. They don’t think much of the SWAT guys either who show up at a scene all armed up and then sit around for hours. Of course, different rules of engagement vis-a-vis police versus paramilitary.

  18. Behold: the real rape culture. Not only is rape not casually dismissed, but when it is reported, woe be it to any innocent men in the path. Women who claim otherise are delusional.
    Also, prosecutors will act like this because they are perversely incentivized to obtain convictions rather than to ensure that a guilty person is taken off the street. Why would a prosecutor care about Omar, He got seven other convictions first. I’m sure he got a nice bonus and a promotion for that, and once Omar was finally caught, that was just icing on the cake. Of course, nothing will change until there are mobs with torches. Reading stories like this, I think those days can’t come fast enough.

  19. Another thought comes to my mind: When a blue-goon starts getting nasty with you many times they will immediately seize your phone or mobile device and even laptops if you have them on your person.
    Keep all your devices with a passcode entry. This is a good idea in general, but this is very true with regards to police. Do not have any beaver shots of your girlfriend(s) on your devices, or anything else potentially damaging to you. Smartphones and mobile devices are now an everyday necessity today and cops will not hesitate to go through even if there are supposed laws prohibiting them from doing so.

    1. The fingerprint access is wonderful. And a 6 digit passcode behind it is tops, along with that “wait more time for every failure” thing built into it (iPhone).

      1. careful on the fingerprint access. I had a buddy who woke up to find his girl trying to stick his thumb on his iPhone to open it up. lol. He let her go at it for a while because she was using the wrong hand, dumb twat, but still…heavy sleepers beware

        1. Haha that’s just fucking funny in itself. My wife doesn’t want to unlock my phone or iPad because she wants to keep her dream alive.
          I don’t really care, if bitches want to ruin it for themselves go ahead.

        1. I don’t plan on being dead. What courts have ruled is not relevant to me until it gets to SCOTUS. Besides, so many tries and it goes dead. Use the wrong finger and jam it on ten times fast and watch the numeric keypad come up and no more fingerprint attempts until it is correctly entered on the keypad. Once the keypad pops up, you’re good to go.
          EDIT: Don’t use the fingerprint. Just tried some shit with it on my phone. Not a good plan. Stick with the keypad.

        2. I’m turning off fingerprint, so, I guess, I’ll laugh.

      2. Police can compel you to provide your fingerprint to open a phone. They can’t make you give up a password though.

        1. Hence, jam the wrong finger on it until the keypad pops up. They don’t know which finger it’s set for, and the technology is still buggy. Poof, off the hook.
          EDIT: Actually that doesn’t work well. It does pop up the keypad but if you turn the phone off it will allow more fingerprint access. So I guess don’t use that feature. Or always use the wrong finger and claim the tech is buggy. “Compel” fuck that, that’s nothing but a warantless search.

        2. I don’t own one of these devices but I thought turning them off disabled the fingerprint access (ie the first time device is turned on you must enter the code, after that access can be “renewed” using fingerprint). If that’s the case, immediately power off your phone once a cop approaches you.

      3. The “wait more time” feature is nice. And I think it is also the same for Samsung too.

      1. Damned straight. Because if you reguse to put your finger on the reader, they’ll simply cut your finger off and place it themselves. Much easier to purposefully put in the wrong code and prompt the phone to either lock up or increase the wait time.

  20. Sounds like a good time to start taking up meditation and train yourself mentally so you can close the world off during interrogation. Being at peace with yourself, alone with nothing to distract you. You maintain frame and hold strong.

    1. Being silent is the easiest thing in the world, especially if you already have a ZFG attitude. So they scream and threaten and…..(here I am in my happy place thinking about a threesome with two 19 year olds and not caring what they’re saying).

        1. Dreaming of his commie paradise where whites are increasingly deprived of rights, property and life? You know, like what happened once he came to power?

        2. I’m sure he’s roasting in a special circle of hell with Mohammed, JFK, MLK, Che and Mao.

  21. Detective Glenn Ford

    Was a corrupt piece of shit. In 2011 he was sentenced to over 12 years in prison for extorting money from crooks, mostly drug dealers, in exchange for favourable treatment.
    http://pilotonline.com/news/local/crime/ex-norfolk-detective-gets-years-for-corruption/article_5980848c-0e03-5025-b7fa-a554b631a9c5.html
    He was also accused of beating a confession out of another suspect in a murder case.
    http://pilotonline.com/news/local/crime/ex-detective-accused-of-misconduct-on-another-case/article_3f305fcc-673f-5afd-a87c-290eb4f7b024.html

  22. The job of the police is to arrest people and fill their quotas. Not full filling that quota will result in the if budget being slashed due to less crimes being commtied.
    Never talk to a cop, EVER, especially without a lawyer.
    Two words you need to know: NO COMMENT

      1. Not sure about that one! That sounds like you’re denying the whole situation! You should not acknowledge or deny anything, just don’t comment!

  23. People are finally starting to realize that the police are not there to assist or save people in danger.
    LEO’s have created a untenable position for themselves and they are not trusted by large portions of the general public any longer. Perhaps not a majority, YET, but still, having large numbers concentrated heavily among those under 40 years of age. Also, even, IF, this under 40 crowd does not believe that LEO’s are dangerously lethal to civilians (which they do), this under 40 cohort, ABSOLUTELY believes that LEO’s are, primarily, “revenue collectors”.
    Police brutality and dereliction of the US Constitution clearly shows that LEO’s are learning to deal with the LONG TERM consequence of these actions, which they, as a group, have taken, while in the field and has been compounding all the issues surrounding their increasingly negative public image. Over the last 25 years, contemporary LEOs have proven, through their actions, that they are in place to do the following and NOTHING MORE:
    1. Protect themselves.
    2. Maximize their total compensation.
    3. Act as a source of revenue generation for the department currently employing them, the union they belong to and the local governments authorizing their activities.
    4. Protecting the commercial interests of national corporations (with PAC’s lobbying on the behalf of the big corporations)
    5. Protecting the private property and political interests of large, influential, land & business owners, residing within their jurisdiction, that also contribute to and participate in local politics (i.e. campaign donations for Police Chief and Sheriff elections).
    6. Controlling dissenting narratives that would interfere with 1-5.
    LEO’s have been totally co-opted, insulated from financial consequences and tax paying citizens are picking up the tab. That’s the sad reality of where we are today, in regards to contemporary Law Enforcement Culture. Civilians should view the police no differently than the way in which police typically view the general public, with suspicion.
    Here is an example of a sleepy county in Oregon, that is 92% white, with 56% of the population over 45 years of age, yet, these people still VOTED TO DE-FUND THE POLICE DEPARTMENT because they got sick of receiving unjust traffic tickets, “Defunding government is a sensible voter solution to reining in local government” by Dave Duffy
    http://www.backwoodshome.com/defunding-government-is-a-sensible-voter-solution-to-reining-in-local-government/
    Think about that for a minute, if LEO’s can’t hold the trust of small communities, with these kinds of demographics, what chance do they stand anywhere else? Not much. This should be a VERY CLEAR message that LEO’s, in general, have lost the trust of the public
    Civilians should not trust the motivations of LEO’s and must always assume that their lives are in danger, with EVERY interaction they have with LEO’s.
    Why? Not because ALL LEO’s are bad, but because ALL LEO’s are LEGALLY AUTHORIZED to kill civilians AND TAKE THEIR PROPERTY, as they see fit.
    Why should civilians take any risk of death or loss of property, when its far easier to simply not interact with, refuse to help and actively avoid contact with LEO’s, whom are LEGALLY AUTHORIZED to kill civilians AND TAKE THEIR PROPERTY, as they see fit?
    We have come full circle, except now, LEO’s don’t regularly “exterminate” undesirables TO TAKE THEIR PROPERTY, they simply put them in jail indefinitely, for petty offenses, so someone can make money off their existence while in the system, via a government contract.
    Law Enforcement Agencies, AS CURRENTLY OPERATED (see above items 1-6), can’t function when large numbers of people with good consciences serve in them. So, even if good people with consciences tried to enact grass-root change from within, they would simply be denied entry to the agency or get quickly removed from the ranks through various legal and administrative means.
    Here is an except from Bowers v. DeVito. In 1982, the Court of Appeals, Seventh Circuit held, “…there is no Constitutional right to be protected by the state against being murdered by criminals or madmen. It is monstrous if the state fails to protect its residents… but it does not violate… the Constitution.”
    “no duty” = “free to ignore” because if there is no financial or legal consequence to inaction, then certainly some “bad apples” will use that as a legal basis for “choosing”, when to “render services” or when not to.
    From the perspective of LEO’s, the above noted ruling means that they may “pick and choose” when they attempt to “save someone from death or injury” because the ruling does not obligate them to act. It is that perspective, which LEO’s are allowed to legally take, that should matter to the average citizen. The context from Bowers v. DeVito is very clear, the police CHOSE to not assist, despite Marguerite Anne Bowers repeatedly requesting their help and the courts then determined that the police are not liable for making the “choice” to not help her.
    As for the “Oath’s” that LEO’s typically take, lets use the LAPD oath for example, which seems to be MOSTLY concerned with swearing to not overthrow the government:
    “And I do further swear (or affirm) that I do not advocate, nor am I a member of any party or organization, political or other- wise, that now advocates the overthrow of the Government of the United States or of the State of California by force or violence or other unlawful means; that within the five years immediately preceding the taking of this oath (or affirmation) I have not been a member of any party or organization, political or other-wise, that advocated the overthrow of the Government of the United States or of the State of California by force or violence or other unlawful means. I will not advocate nor become (name of office) a member of any party or organization, political or otherwise, that advocates the overthrow of the Government of the United States or of the State of California by force or violence or other unlawful means.”
    I SWEAR,, THAT – I WILL WELL AND TRULY SERVE – OUR SOVEREIGN COUNTRY AND STATE – AS A POLICE OFFICER WITHOUT FAVOR OR AFFECTION – MALICE OR ILL-WILL – UNTIL I AM LEGALLY DISCHARGED, THAT I WILL SEE AND CAUSE ­ OUR COMMUNITY’S PEACE TO BE KEPT AND PRESERVED – AND THAT – I WILL PREVENT TO THE BEST OF MY POWER – ALL OFFENSES AGAINST THAT PEACE – AND THAT – WHILE I CONTINUE TO BE A POLICE OFFICER
    So exactly how, do these above noted sample Oaths, keep officers from “picking and choosing” when they attempt to “save someone from death or injury” due to having no LEGAL obligation to act? Other than of course, having the LEGAL obligation to keep “Peace with the Communities” within the “Sovereign Country and State” and also swearing to not overthrow the government.

      1. Law Enforcement Officer. The guy that wears the authority of the state to murder you with very little consequence for himself.

  24. I was a cop for four years and a lot of people think they are SO good at talking their way out of things that they run their mouth and end up in jail. Trying to talk your way out of shit with the cops is like thinking you can fight your way out of the octagon against a pro MMA fighter. These guys are trained, you are not!
    That Miranda warning really should read, “Shut the fuck up! EVERYTHING you say will be twisted in court to make you sound MORE GUILTY. Nothing you can say will make you sound LESS guilty. The ONLY reason I am talking to you is because, at this moment, I don’t have enough evidence to convict you and IF YOU SPEAK, I will get the info I need. So, once again, SHUT THE FUCK UP, ask for an attorney and this nightmare interrogation ends immediately.”

    1. +1000 up votes. I’ve said the same thing below, in different words.

        1. Not as such, but we do have the right to remain silent – where that differs in the UK from the US 5th Amendment is that, in certain circumstances, a jury can be directed to draw an adverse inference from your decision to exercise that right. This only applies in certain specific situations though. A jury might decide that a defendant’s inability to account for being in possession of a crowbar, balaclava and swag-bag in the vicinity of a recently-burgled house is indicative of the defendant’s guilt, for example. Apart from situations like this, though, no adverse inferences may be drawn from a defendant’s decision to remain silent.
          I’m not nearly as concerned about the UK’s version of the 5th Amendment being watered-down as I am about the UK’s version of the 2nd Amendment being non-existent. THAT’S why my country’s going to the dogs …

    2. My old man, a bookie from Queens, New York, many years ago told me, “never trust a cop”.

      1. Definitely. They can be professional and freindly, but that’s usually their way of dealing with a day’s mess. But that smiling face is hiding a caluculating mind that working to get you in a cell.

    3. Question for you: does filming or having a dashcam affect the behavior of a police officer?

      1. only the shitty ones. I never had to break any rules to get an arrest. I’d put my behavior as a cop in front of the camera any day.

      2. Not really. Every cop has qualified immunity which means they can do whatever they want, unless the local prosecutor decides to actually hold the cops accountable, rare. They are on the same team, after all. Just go to youtube and view despicable cop behavior, see if that camera matters.

    4. There’s a similar caution in the UK. If ever arrested I will say nothing, apart from to be booked in and request a solicitor. Significant statements are a bitch if you’ve lied.

      1. Although here in Blighty they tried to change the caution so your silence can be portrayed as concealment of guilt, because why wouldn’t you cooperate if you were truly innocent?!

        1. Court can still draw a negative inference from silence. Though that was brought in to prevent ambush defences.

        2. Omar Khadr is an example of what happens when innocent people try to “cooperate” with their captures. On a brighter note, at least they aren’t cutting our heads off.

        3. No not yet. But metaphorically speaking they (the new matriarchy) are cutting our balls off.

        4. Sometimes people just respond to questions like they’re having a totally different conversation with someone else. Then the cops get pissed and put you in lockdown. But you gotta actually have the attitude that you don’t understand why they don’t understand you.

        5. I already do that with radical feminists and manginas. But great tactic if I ever get into bank robberies or something similar.

        6. Good job! It’s the best way to get someone out of your space. I’ve started at the spot about 3 inches above the person’s eyes before too: It drives people nuts.

      2. In the old days, Russian and American spy agencies trained agents to ruminate and think about their cover stories to the point that they got them so mixed in with reality, that they could pass polygraph tests. I’ve met a couple of people years ago who passed tests that way. But I would think that would drive you nuts.

      1. They are supposed to. I saw something (it might have been the video from this article) where the guy asked for a lawyer, the cops left, then just came back a few minutes later and started badgering him again, never got him a lawyer. Basically the cops will do whatever they can get away with. If you don’t open your mouth, they will give up.

      2. Yes, and if they don’t, in the US anyway, anything said after you ask for an attorney is inadmissible.

    5. I took a CCW class and they told us to shut up and don’t say anything until your attorney shows up. You don’t have access to your file, your attorney does. You don’t know if the cops are lying to you, your attorney will. That sound true JE?

      1. Yes, the Police are totally allowed to lie to you (“the guy you hit with your car isn’t really hurt, he just wants you to apologize. You should write him a letter, here is a piece of paper…”)

    6. Even if you are dying of thirst, hungry as hell, or would kill for a cigarette dont take anything that is offered to you. You need to sneeze, dont need your tissues thank you. Sneeze into your clothing etc. Keep as much of your DNA as possible to yourself. The law states that anything that goes into a waste bin that is destined for a landfill is no longer deemed “your personal property” and subject to DNA testing without a warrant or your consent.

      1. Jesus Christ! I’ve heard that before. Besides, those DNA tests are routinely faked to benefit prosecutors. We’ve had lab people charged and replaced over and over here in Indiana. They get paid to do the opposite of what they’re supposed to be doing. One of the few things that the ACLU does right in our state.

    7. Oh yeah, cops do their thing all the time, and most people arrested don’t have experience. You got to think that you’re not going to talk your way out of a cop situation the way you would an employee at the YMCA or McDonalds. And innocent people just want to get away and go home, so they start making excuses and explanations, thinking that’ll do. But then they get a knock at the door and realize they’re fucked.

  25. WELL DUH !!!! FUCKING FINALY ! Someone with a real grasp on the way of things. You think you’ve got it bad over there in the states ? You think you’ve got it bad ? Well I invite you, friend, to wonderful country of Romania where the organized crime of prostitution, drug bribes ( with bags of money ) reach the highest dignitaries in fucking state and secret service prosecutors. The highly qualified organized crime here flows from the ,,guess whoooz ?” all round up in the countries national masonry, the rest of the operators just execute operations of : murder, sabotage and blackmail. Guess who defends the organized crime in Romania ? Did you guessed it yet ? No you did not !!! THE FUCKING JUDGES AND PROSECUTORS WHO ARE ALL IN THE SAME FUCKING MASONIC CLUB. You want a clear description of how hell looks like ? As a fucking romanian male. Ask a real male with a real grasp on things. BUT !!!
    God exists, friends and I have witnessed miracles of barons falling into prison and justice be done.
    God bless you all and may we all turn our faces to His light, love and respect. Not fear, fear comes from the lack of light.

  26. Public defenders can be your enemy as well. Remember, they work for the same state that seeks to convict you. Also, they have supervisors who remind them of the budgetary constraints, so if they can get you to sign a plea bargain instead of dragging the case out in a costly, lengthy trial, they will. There have been several documented instances of public defenders badgering their own clients into signing plea bargains, even when they were innocent. The point is, if you have to sell all your assets in order to afford an attorney who will fight for you, do it. Your freedom is worth more than anything.

    1. There are certainly overworked, and even bad public defenders. But just because they are paid by tax money doesn’t make them “on the side of the cops.” Maybe somewhere, but the ones I know are viciously anti-police and think all their clients are innocent, even the dubious ones. Even when they are giving you bad or mediocre advice, they are going to stop things like an 11 hour interrogation. No public defender or private lawyer, is going to sit through an 11 hour police interrogation. They will put a stop to it, where you cannot.

      1. That’s why I said they “can be your enemy.” Not always, but I’ve seen enough cases of suspects (especially ones lower on the socioeconomic scale), being mistreated by public defenders that it’s made me wary of them. Yes, they will likely put a stop to an 11 hour interrogation, so if a public defender is your only option, then it’s best to remain quiet and have them appoint one to you. But if he tries to shove a plea bargain down your throat when you’re innocent, tell him to shut the fuck up and do his job or hire a private attorney.

      2. “There are certainly overworked, and even bad public defenders. But just because they are paid by tax money doesn’t make them “on the side of the cops.” ”
        It’s a high risk to assume this. I would never accept the services of a public defender.

    1. Easiest way to get assfucked yeah. Lawyers for the most part are as useful as a wet paper towel.

        1. Yeah how many millions do you have stashed? I have been to court more than once, and also won some. Lawyers generally are shit, unless you get then to agree that they work for free if they lose.

  27. “Instead, the police sent him to jail and charged him with the death penalty, despite zero evidence.”
    How can the police charge someone with death penalty?

    1. In about half the states in the US, if you are charged with murder, the state can kill you if you are found guilty of killing or taking intentional action which caused someone to die.

        1. Police arrest on “suspicon of”, they do not bring the charges forward on the accused. The prosecutor reviews the evidence and decides what charges are to be brought foward on the suspect. Evidence is brought foward to a Grand Jury or a judge to review case and deterimine if the case can proceed to trial.

        2. Well, I think the process is fairly murky. In this case the Cops knew they could be charged with death, and threatened these guys with death. Just because that cop won’t be the one pulling the lever in the electric chair, doesn’t mean it’s any less of a threat. In reality the process involves several people, cops finding evidence that supports a capital charge, a D.A. making a formal charge, and then a jury finding you guilty and a judge sentencing you to die. These people all are different individuals, but working together for the same goal.

        3. You might be conveniently discovered hanging in your cell with your own shoe laces they “forgot” to take from you. Hell. You might even be hanging by your shoelaces even if you came in wearing slip-ons.

  28. I recall reading once that the Hebrews back in the day would not allow confession as evidence, presumably on the basis that it could be coerced out of a suspect. It’s something we should introduce today.

  29. Don’t talk to the police. Don’t answer questions. Don’t try to explain. DON’T TALK TO THE POLICE.
    And after reading that, 95% of people will still talk to the police.

    1. If you have to talk, make the subject you boning their mother while wearing huge ass gauntlets spanking her. I have been told his might be bad in the US, but in Europe it works like a song by the Beatles. You get a few punches and they
      let you out.

  30. I remember an incident years ago where the local police failed to shut down a local crack house after numerous complaints from people that worked in the US Special Forces community and lived nearby.
    One morning, as dawn broke, it revealed that literally every former living thing in that house, right down to the fish in one room, had been killed during the night. The only evidence was a special forces calling card left on the kitchen counter. Not even forensics produced so much as an unusual hair.
    They rounded up the special forces unit and began the routine interrogation, much like what is presented here. The cops were totally out of their depth. First off, Spec Ops guys are nasty tough. Second, They attend what is known as SERE school where they are interrogated using rougher methods by people trained to use them. After four days, the cops gave up and closed the case. They had no leads even though they knew the SF group had all but openly mocked them.
    In this case, your average US Navy guy up against the goon squad, they never had a chance.

    1. I’m res SF and I don’t buy it. This is some urban legend or something. SF is not silent supersniper spidermen.. It’s just mostly bringing more brains to a task.
      The real difference is brains, the training gives a lot but the brains are the key.

    2. “special forces calling card left on the kitchen counter”? no passports? sounds more like another gang was trying to frame “special forces” for killing their competitors.

  31. If the police are asking you questions, all you need to say is the following:
    “I do NOT want to speak with you. I am exercising my Fifth Amendment rights. I want an attorney NOW.”
    If the police keep asking you questions, simply repeat. If they continue simply repeat. Make it definitive that you do not want to answer any questions and that you are demanding your attorney.
    If the police ask to search you, your house, your car, or anything else within your control, all you need to say is the following:
    “I do NOT consent to any searches.”
    If the police go ahead and search do not intervene or attempt to stop them, but just state loudly so everyone can hear you that you do not consent to any searches.
    Never talk to the police unless you are the actual victim of a crime and never consent to any searches.
    It is fine if later on you want to tell the truth and confess. But doing so without consulting a lawyer. If you are guilty or have information the police need, your lawyer will use that to your advantage. They will be able to most likely obtain some sort of immunity or a plea bargain. Don’t give this up voluntarily without using it to your advantage. It could literally mean the difference from you going to jail vs. probation, a huge fine vs. community service, etc.

    1. You mean your lawyer will sleep through it while you get convicted? His ass only had to lift twice, once to say nothing to add, and second time for sentencing.
      I have lawyers but if I don’t make them work for a win, they won’t lift a finger. Disgusting fucking scum.

      1. If your counsel is ineffective then you should make it known to the court and file a motion for new counsel. Even if the court denies your motion you should still put it on the record multiple times and provide examples of their ineffective work such as failing to file proper motions such a a motion to suppress, failing to try to negotiate a plea bargain, failing to properly investigate your case pre-trial, etc. You can then raise this on appeal or in collateral challenges to any conviction.
        It can also be used as a “bargaining chip” in some cases if you have to represent yourself in the end because the prosecution isn’t going to want to have a conviction thrown out because of IAC. If, to the prosecution, it looks like you have a good IAC case on appeal they might be willing to enter into a plea bargain or agree to ask the court for a lighter sentence.
        Whatever you do though, just don’t sit back and let it happen. Put it on the record as soon as possible.

        1. I got screwed over until I started using it a different way, a big famous law firm is collaborating with my bank to offer cover, and they only get extras if I win.
          Not cheap but bulletproof sofar. And people who know are pissing their pants.
          It’s like a law firm on retainer sort of.

    2. “”I do NOT want to speak with you. I am exercising my Fifth Amendment rights. I want an attorney NOW.”
      If the police keep asking you questions, simply repeat. If they continue simply repeat. Make it definitive that you do not want to answer any questions and that you are demanding your attorney”
      All in good, but what happens when they simply pull out their clubs and going Rodney King on a man who politely informs the cops he will not speak without an attorney.

      1. If they go Rodney King on you then do you best to protect your face and head without actively resisting. It is sad, but if a cop wants to beat you then he is going to beat you. Actively resisting is just going to justify your beating. Best you can hope is that it gets on video and that shows you did not do anything to provoke violence. Get a lawyer and file a lawsuit. If you have clear evidence then there will be a nice six figure settlement for you in the future.

  32. I have some first hand experience to add to this. This is something to talk to your kids about. Tell all your young men children (probably starting at 12 and up) to be polite and respectful to the police, but never say anything more than yes so no sir and never agree to answer any questions without you the parent there. Then as the parent, never let your child answer any questions without a lawyer there.
    When i was 16 I was pulled over for a minor traffic offense. I got a ticket and then the police officer asked me to wait a little bit, that a Sheriff’s deputy was on the way and wanted to ask me some questions. The deputy arrived in about 5 minutes and asked if I’d follow him back to the court house and answer some questions.
    Being young and dumb, i said okay. I didn’t ask what the questions where about or why I had to come to the courthouse to answer them. I didn’t call my dad, or mom or brother, or an attorney or anyone at all. I just followed the officer over and went in.
    He asked me to take a seat in a room. it was an interrogation room. Left me in there for about 5 minutes alone. I was sweating bullets and sitting on razor blades at this time, thinking about every little thing I’d ever done wrong that the police might have gotten wind of and I could be in trouble for.
    When the officer finally came back in and started asking questions, I was very soon ridiculously relieved. The crime he was asking about was far worse than anything I had ever done, and I didn’t know a thing about it. I’m sure the relief on my face was absolutely palpable when I had the realization that, “Yes, this isn’t about me!” But of course the cop thought it was about me.
    Someone had suggested to the police my name for a wine robbery. What proceeded was over an hour of the officer asking about 10 to 20 different questions 200 hundred different ways. He was twisting logic and trying to backwards rationalize my confession for me. He told me why he thought I was guilty and how it would be totally normal for a bunch of kids to steal wine to go get drunk, etc.. blah blah.
    Luckily for me, when I realized the crime was not mine, my confidence shot through the roof. I smiled, was polite and just said no sir yes sir, I don’t know sir, that sounds like your job and not my job sir. Then just, “No. No. No. No. No.” Until he got tired of asking the same question. So while my interrogation was not that bad, it was clear he was trying to talk me into confessing.
    Now, what I can’t say is how I would have reacted to 11 hours of that, and adding death threats, slight physical abuse and lots of yelling. At 16, i could see how that might have broke me.
    The important part of this story is that at 16 years old, I should never have been alone in an interrogation room with a police officer. They new they were trying to take advantage of a young man and they new I should have had a parent or lawyer with me. They didn’t care.
    I have a more recent story with a game warden of my state as well. These are of course also law enforcement officials and since I love to hunt and I want as many people on my side as possible, I was trying to play fair with her (yes a fat lady trying to tell me I was a criminal hunter). I’ll save that story, but I can tell you from now on I’ll just be telling game wardens they can talk to my lawyer or they can go to hell. I can also tell you she got stumped.

  33. The Hollywood trope of the zealous cop with the personal vendetta for justice has ruined us. It convinced millions of people that cops exist to catch the bad guys. Not true.

  34. The idea is to not get yourself into a situation where the police would interrogate you. Maintain yourself to look like a responsible citizen without all that degenerate looking piercings, tattoos, or hair. Basically don’t look like a trouble maker.
    The weirder you look (and act), the more likely the police would want to remove you from society. Not saying this is 100% effective, but it would reduce your likelihood of getting into that situation at all.

  35. Having a lawyer is only HALF of the battle for self defense against a corrupt law enforcement:
    You, must find a way to get close with a police officer – preferably someone high ranking.
    bring him gifts every Christmas, buy him drinks once in a while and do him favors. My father has an ironclad circle of police officers who we now call “family” and they have helped us through thick and thin for 2 decades already.
    He was the firs and only doctor in our suburban place (it once was) and whenever these people need someone to take out bullets from a gunfight or conduct a medico-legal for them for them or appear with it in court, he did thee willingly because he knew we can count on these people and he knew how the “system” works and it is not enough to become a law abiding citizen,
    Even syndicates know this that is why you will NEVER find an organized crime group without police connections.
    I criminals need to be “friends” with the police, more so does an innocent man.

  36. Agreed. And fuck both the Black/Blue Lives Matter bullshit. Those are nothing more than libtard/cuckservative pissing contests.
    Police and n***ers, that’s right.

    1. 7 innocent White men in jail for no reason, while the n1gg3r who did the deed got off scot free.

  37. Informative article, but it missed one key point. Never, ever, talk to the police for any reason even with a lawyer present. You have nothing to gain and everything to lose. Exercise your right to remain silent.
    Also, never tell your lawyer everything. Your attorney is a member of the bar association and plays the justice game with the DA all the time. Your lawyer can and will sell you out to get a deal from the DA for another of his clients. Once inside the system, you can trust no one.
    Personal story. When I got arrested on the false DV charge I’m in the station handcuffed. The lead cop asked me a question. I asked back, “Are you going to Mirandize me?” His face when blank because he knew I wasn’t going to panic and start running my mouth. Another cop asked me if I wanted to make a statement. I said, “Why would I want to do that?” His face also went blank and they never asked me anything else.
    Also, unless you are under arrest you can walk out of an interview/interrogation any time you want. Your best play is don’t let them put you in a room – period.

    1. Valuable knowledge. People don’t realise that they all work in the same industry, and that’s what it is, an industry.

      1. Quite astute, my friend. That is way you cannot trust your lawyer. Unless one has personally been forced through the sausage grinder, he has no idea what he is talking about. For them, it is an academic exercise, for us veterans it is reality.
        Abandon all hope ye who enter here, the motto over the gates of Hell and what should be the motto carved over the entrance of an American courthouse. Cheers, and keep your ass out of there.

  38. Many liberals/ lovers of state balk and ridicule me when I say 1984 is already here.
    “How?”
    Well, for starters, anyone anywhere can be thrown in a cage for an indefinite amount of time for no reason at all at any moment.
    I also shudder when people do not care if prisoners are abused/raped/killed. “They shouldn’t have did what they did and they wouldn’t be in there!”
    Okay. What if they didn’t actually do it?
    The justice system doesn’t care that it gets it right. It just cares that it gets it done. It’s a business, except this corporation is funded by the government which means it has unlimited resources and funds to destroy you.

    1. “Many liberals/ lovers of state”
      Glad you expanded on that. While the progressive’s love of State is well-documented, there are too many ‘law and order at any cost” morons on the Right (and they also have a tendency to run to Uncle Sam for solutions to their societal grievances as well).
      “when I say 1984 is already here.”
      America is officially on the record to possessing a police state that is the envy of the Russians, and disgusting to the Germans.

  39. good Christ. The system which is supposed to protect “innocent until proven guilty” ate those 7 men and spit them out.

  40. Grade 12 Law:
    My teacher on what to do if the police arrest or want to take you downtown for “questioning.”
    Your response: “Am I under arrest?”
    If they answer “No” the say “No thanks. I’m not going anywhere.”
    If they answer “yes” say “What are the charges?”
    Once downtown and they try and talk to you say “I have no statement to give without my lawyer present.”
    (If they fuck this intake part of things up often cases are thrown out.)
    Then CLAM THE FUCK UP! Let your lawyer speak for you.
    This teacher drummed it into us. Back then we had debates in class I can’t imagine what trash is taught these days in grade 12 law..

    1. Don’t forget to declare that you don’t consent to any searches or seizures.

  41. If they’ll do some white boys in the navy this dirty imagine what they’ll do to some random hood nigga that they know doesn’t know shit and can’t afford a decent attorney.

    1. Today, they are MORE likely to do it to whites. No one riots when whites get killed or maimed by The Boys in Blue.

  42. This is so true. Back in 2010, me and my friend were fighting 7 or 8 big-ass guys. I know how to fight but I was being triple-teamed, and my friend did not know how to fight, so he stabbed the dude in the chest and leg.
    We were arrested, and as soon as the cops closed the cell doors (they had us in cells next to each other) the first thing I said to him was “do not talk to ANYONE without a lawyer,” and I told him this many times. He decided to make a confessional video saying he stabbed the guy but it was self defense. I said nothing to the cops, and was released, and the following week my charges were dropped (considering I wasn’t the one who stabbed the guy). My friend, on the other hand, made the stupid video, and then stupidly turned down a 6-month plea deal, and ended up getting 5-10 years. So could have been avoided had he not made the video or taken the plea deal, but mainly the video thing.

  43. Lots of good points in this article and these comments.
    Yes, never speak to cops without a lawyer. Even if you are innocent and just wish to “clear things up”. Your words will be twisted and used against you anyway.
    The best way to keep government out of your life, is not to invite them into it in the first place.
    Ditch any friends who smoke pot or do hard drugs, stay away from mentally unstable women (most of them), try not to be out on the roads late at night if you can avoid it, don’t get tattoos or piercings and so on. Stay out of bars and nightclubs, drunks love to fight.
    Sounds easy, but it’s the simple stuff that’s easy to forget.

    1. “try not to be out on the roads late at night if you can avoid it”
      I hear ya but man there was a time in America you could be out on the roads late at night without worrying about police bothering you.
      Not being out on the roads at night is very inficative of the Soviet Union.

      1. True, and to be honest I’ve been out on the roads many times myself late at night without problem. But at least in my neck of the woods, the police presence is much greater at night than during the day.
        A friend of mine, who owns a shop in a plaza next to a popular bar, got pulled over as he was leaving one evening, much later than usual.
        The cop said “I noticed your car was parked in that lot for a long time and wanted to make sure you haven’t been drinking”.
        Since he was sober, there wasn’t a problem. But he never had that happen when he left his shop earlier in the evening.
        I guess it’s just about keeping the odds in your favor.

        1. The stereotype about small towns is true, also, and even worse at night in my opinion.
          Out of county or state plate = likely to get pulled over.
          Driving home at 2AM towards the city, going through a podunk small town? Police RIDING THE ASS OF YOUR CAR with radar full-blast, then pull you over looking for a possible problem.
          And I grew up in a small town. I despise hick towns, and rightly so. The people there are often ok more or less, but like you say, it is far better to avoid the headache and potential problems.
          I generally, where possible, no longer stop in small/extremely blue-collar areas and try to save spending my money & time it slightly more civilized areas. Or I take another route, even if it’s longer. Not worth the risk to save a few minutes and gas!!
          Less likely to have to worry about the local gung-ho police.

  44. A good reason to have a lawyer, the interrogators won’t box you into a room for 12 hrs. or try to intimidate you.

  45. You have the right to remain silent.
    You have the right to an attorney.
    Use them!

  46. How about this?
    “If you have enough evidence to prosecute then why don’t you just do it?”
    Make them aware right off the bat that you know they wouldn’t be bothering with a confession unless they didn’t have sufficient evidence!

  47. There’s an old saying ”never put someone down so low to make them hate you”
    An extrapolation of this saying explains the demise of trust and ethic the cops are facing. ”’never insult someone’s human dignity or put a show of power that offends the righteous principles of all decent citizens”’ Or ”don’t enforce PC crap” to the point that YOU become a hated enforcer.
    Alex Jones as a young teen had corrupt pigs put their nose into his face literally eyeball to eyeball and tell him ”we’re gonna kill you boy”. I believe that experience LIT HIM ON FIRE. I concur, down with the corrupt tyrants and their pigs on leashes. The corrupt cops where he grew up were running dope. There seems to be a blanket shielding of all cops from censure, good cops and bad alike. People need to intervene and oversee ‘law enforcers’ actions. A checks and balances of WE THE PEOPLE.
    The corruption comes from the top down. People pass by like sheep when cops are doing shake downs or traffic random stops. FILM IT when you see a car getting torn apart and ‘fido’ the k-9 locating a cheese sandwich. It’s like a mugging taking place half the time, costly and if kids are in the car, a potential for a state kidnapping. Red blooded americans have a duty to swarm a kidnapping that is taking place for God’s sake. No time to wait for ambulance chasers. We need citizen attorneys/defenders under tyranny.
    FILM IT. If you see someone getting tased by cops, a brah being beaten with monkey bats on the sidewalk, maybe that’s a dead beat dad who’s late on paying his blood money and who has a death warrant issued by a bitch judge. You never know. Collect evidence. Collect it all. With . . A SPY BASEBALL CAP CAMERA!!
    http://www.dhresource.com/200x200s/f2-albu-g1-M01-BB-A3-rBVaGVaWD7CAHVAqAAD7vsHS2L4121.jpg/8gb-cap-hat-spy-camera-baseball-cap-hat-hidden.jpg
    Cops like to break cameras, snatch cameras, threaten people to keep their phones in their pocket or lose ’em. Those cops are the stupid apes that take orders from tyrants, the bad cops.
    ‘Cap cameras’ have a discreet button lens about the size of a small nail head. Totally un noticeable. Just point your cap, login to youtube and stream that baby up. Fresh.
    http://www.technology4students.com/lib/040/704-spycamera.jpg
    The button lens either wires right into your micro usb on your phone or some are remote bluetooth and can stream vid to phone. Cops aren’t near as inhibited to be ”just doin’ muh job” when you stand back with your hands in pockets smiling (filming).
    The caps come in all sorts of cool styles.
    https://www.unikcctv.com/images/stories/virtuemart/product/120315011154_pro.jpg
    I’m awaiting my Dale Earnhart ‘3’ cap, great for the races. They’re also good for recording memories outdoors, biking, boating. But the good cops/bad cops, none should have anything to hide should they? Hmmm?

  48. I was threatened with an “Obstructing an Investigation” charge if I didn’t submit to a DUI test in Iowa, driving with out of state plates, a few years ago. I was used to Arizona laws at the time where the lawerly advice was, “don’t say anything, don’t take any tests.” In Iowa, the “advice” I got from the officer was, “YOU’RE NOT IN ARIZONA NOW!!!” Multiple cop cars and everything… they were definitely ready to beat me senseless. I pretty much had to go along with it. I luckily passed but well, it was a situation where I was screwed either way. Don’t go along with the test, cop throws book at you, is free to lie and make up evidence. Go with the test, they throw the book at you. Don’t go with the test and they try even harder to fuck you over. I was lucky to get away with $400 in fees for out of state plates and driving 35 in a 25 (that should have been marked as a 35).

    1. Exactly what happened to me but it was a random search/stop. No breathalyzer but cops asking people if there’s anything you’re carrying in vehicle that you shouldn’t be. Then they ask ”can I take a look”. I refused and he calls in K-9 when I said my reason for refusing was 4th amendment. The dog wagged his tail and they shout ”we got a hit”. They make a shambles of my car for an hour and find nothing. Then they say ”you did at some time have something in the car right”. That’s like saying ”the dog said so”. They then gave me a $200 fine for my registration card being ‘unsigned’. I never noticed there was a light pink line on the back of my registration card that said ”name:”. I signed it and then went to the courthouse ticket brusars office where you pay fines. They had a two inch plexiglas window with a fat bitch that looked like an sjw behind the glass. The bare concrete floor smelled like urine. I think they spray ‘jail smell’ crap in there to intimidate people in there who are paying parking tickets. The bitch was so fat I swear I wish I had filmed her. She shouted for me to stand back behind the yellow line and then a flash bulb went off above me. Then she said while showing her teeth ”cash only”.

  49. The five words you need to know when confronted by police or other LE, “I have nothing to say”.

  50. The frontline documentary was some soul crushing stuff. I wanted to punch the guys confessing and implicating others so fucking bad I had to take brakes watching it.
    I have one thing to say about this case, and it’s that if any fucking asshole ever names me I will not only kill them, I will wipe out their fucking bloodline.

  51. Another case of putting ideological nonsense before incentives. Humans are savage in nature, and if you reward police officers for being evil they will be evil.

  52. Great article. Never talk to police, never. Not even when they are off duty. I make it a point to never associate with known law enforcers casually. The profession attracts psychopaths.

    1. Andy: I used to do a lot of fieldwork for my former employer. (I’m retired now.) Much of that work was performed in small towns or rural counties. Because a) I was driving a rental car, b) am easily recognized as a stranger and c) look like a cross between a retired Viking and a grizzly-bear, I avoided LEOs. If there was a restaurant with patrol cars parked in the lot, I went on to the next restaurant.

  53. A number of years ago I went into the police for questions regarding the death of a friend. 3 times I went in voluntarily to answer questions and the third time one of the officers commented that the answers I had given them were very consistent with the previous 2 times. They kept trying to get me to make a statement to the effect that I was present at his death, and insisting that they just needed to know if I witnessed his “suicide”. Not one time did I even entertain changing my story as I was being honest. Meanwhile they were telling the family that it was definitely a murder and that the primary suspect (me) was refusing to come answer questions and that I was refusing to cooperate with the police in any way. I learned this, when the family threatened my life when I showed up to his visitation. After that when the cops asked me to come in for a fourth time, I informed them that all communication would take place through my attorney, who I had retained. 2 months later the cops decided they had a new suspect in throwing my friend off the roof of a parking deck. Oddly the suspect was a guy who was 6′ and weighed about 130lbs. due to Muscular Dystrophy and wouldn’t have been capable of throwing himself off the roof, but the police took 2 months more of investigating to rule him out too. DA’s would prosecute a quadriplegic of strangling someone.

  54. To Tom Arrow,
    In my case I found the opposite to be true. If they are polite, I’m polite. If I’m innocent, I never take any shit from them. I am their superior and my arrest powers are superior to them as they only possess a limited delegated authority. I absolutely will not tolerate a cop transgressing into tyranny…see John Bad Elk v US. I have been nose to nose with 3 cops in two years. An NC Sheriff, an SC trooper and a Wilmington NC cop in Trooper training and backed them all down. I was very firm. I believe if you are submissive when right or show any fear they think you are guilty. Oh and about 15 years ago my son got into a fight. A city cop came to my door and was very high handed telling me to go get my son that he wanted to talk to him. I told him I did not pay him to get involved in childrens’ neighborhood fights. I told him that was my jurisdiction and I would not allow him to be involved. He got sheepish and said “so you are not gonna cooperate?” I told him no and ordered him to leave. He did. Cops are order takers. The people are where they derive their authority. If you are in the right, never back down. You give them their orders.

  55. Story I heard:
    Girl gets pulled over for swerving. She’s a little tipsy and is asked to take a breathalyzer. She responds with ”I’m sorry but I CAN’T take a brehthalyzer. My dad is an attorney and he told me that he SWEARS TO GOD that if I ever in my life voluntarily consent to a breathalyzer, that he would personally KICK MY ASS”. Her dad was a big guy. The cop then let her go with a warning.

  56. I’ve been vigilante fighting moderators for ten fucking years. Still waiting those ten years for police to lift a fucking finger and help me bring real felons to justice. These guys are pedophiles, tax-evaders, they commit embezzlement, fraud, and defacement every day. Their entire lives revolve around being thugs and vermin, they’re not people. And all police have to do is fucking listen to my emails and when I find moderator’s in that general city or state expect them to do something, anything…
    But meanwhile they can do shit like this. So no, I’m not afraid of police interrogation. I had one such moderator who wasn’t a fat pussy like most of the others point a gun to my head. I’ll never forget the look on his face when I stared him in the eye and said:
    “Do it faggot. You’re only killing a man…”
    That brief pause was all I needed to disarm him and citizen’s arrest him. Then of course police show up.

  57. Im actually shocked that the Norfolk 4 were white. Hows that for white privilege? Its not only black men that have fried for expedience.

  58. Great article and very true except for this part:

    Detective Glenn Ford got 100% of the Navy men, military trained men who should have above average physical, if not mental strength, and some type of training in interrogation, to confess.

    Simply not true: sailors—-with the obvious exceptions of SEALs and other jobs—-are simply not trained to the physical standards of soldiers and marines.
    Especially not marines.
    And no one gets interrogation training in the navy other than the special career fields I previously mentioned.

  59. Definitely! Cops and prosecutors have no interest in finding real culprits. They will grab whatever person they can and build a case to fit that innocent person. I saw that happen over and over again when I worked for the courts. Street cops getting calls will make an effort, but when it comes down to it, they’ll grab a guy who fits enough of the profile so they can tell their boss that they picked someone up. And that’s because they’re looking for raises and promotions.

  60. That is some scary shit.From now on…any cop who wants to talk to me…my response will be TALK TO MY LAWYER.

  61. I’m late to this thread, but, here goes: I sincerely hope there are LEOs reading the comments below, especially the LAPD apologist “Jack Dunphey”.
    You used to be safe whomping on, and falsely arresting, brown and black people. You got big for your britches and everyone is your target now.
    You also know that if you kill or maim one of us, no one will riot for a white; we don’t have “revruns” to stir trouble, and the Just Us Department will ignore our plight.
    Paraphrasing what LBJ said about Walter Cronkite: “When you’ve lost the whites, you’ve lost the whole country.”

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