Women with plenty of notches get a bad rap for not being able to hold down relationships or become decent mothers, but a male “player” with a ton of sexual experience is just as likely to become bored and cheat. While youthful experimentation is not only healthy but is actually desirable for men, bedding an excessive number of women may not benefit you if you aspire to a wife and family in later life.
Rick and Chloe
Woman sitting on bed, man sleeping
Rick is married to Chloe. Both Rick and Chloe work for an organization that used to employ me a while back. Recently I met up with a former colleague who also works there and he updated me on everything that was going on, including the state of Rick and Chloe’s relationship. What he told me was intriguing, if not a little depressing.
First some context. Rick is probably the most successful “natural” I’ve ever met when it comes to picking up women. With a lay count of nearly five hundred, he possesses all of the characteristics, both physical and attitudinal, required to be great with girls. Tall, decent-looking, well-dressed and with a great line in verbal banter, he was always going to be a contender. But on top of that, he also displays clear “dark triadic” characteristics—that is narcissism, Machaiavellianism and psychopathy. It is these characteristics, in my view, which have really sealed his success with the opposite sex.
Entirely casting aside the old adage about not shitting where you eat, Rick has been involved with several very high-profile relationships in the office. One was with an attractive young girl of about twenty-five called Zoe, whom he dated for two years or so. During that time he bought her a breast enlargement, presumably in order to increase the value of his investment. He even moved in with her, but at around the eighteen month mark he showed signs of becoming bored and moved out again, although the pair continued to sleep together. Then he began seeing Chloe—concurrently. This led to a huge public break-up with Zoe that was broadcast on social media and beyond.
For a good while, Rick and Chloe seemed to enjoy the perfect relationship. Chloe, who was blond and still very attractive (despite being thirty-six years old) had apparently brought about a great change in his life. The narrative constructed around this pairing was that Rick had finally “grown up”—that Chloe had “tamed him” and that now, finally, he was ready to put aside his philandering ways in order to commit to a good woman.
At the end of last year Rick and Chloe got married. It was a very expensive ceremony at an exclusive country house venue. The black and white photographs showed the well-groomed pair stepping joyfully into this new phase of their lives. The look of victory on Chloe’s face was clear.
The joy lasted for approximately six months. Recently it came to light that Rick had been sleeping with a very attractive young intern, Emily, from the office (22 years old). Understandably all hell broke loose and Chloe threw Rick out of their marital home. But she was prepared to forgive him. For a while the plan was that they would work it out—right up until the moment when Chloe discovered Rick was still sexing Emily on the quiet. Now Chloe has resigned her position at work, too humiliated to return. Rick remains unrepentant, still enjoying his affair with a much younger woman, and seemingly not concerned about attempting to save his marriage. The fact that they spent something like £60,000 on the big day itself makes the whole thing even more ridiculous.
You Can’t Put It Back In The Bottle
The difficulty for both men and women is that once you’ve tasted variety, and realized that yes, there is an infinite abundance of potential sexual partners out there in the world, it becomes very hard to stick with just one for the rest of your life.
Monogamy, and whether or not it is a natural state, has been debated frequently elsewhere. Whether or not long-term monogamy and happiness was ever truly possible is a moot point. But in 2016, with smartphones and Tinder and more lax societal conventions around sex, it’s certainly a hell of a lot more difficult. As a man, this is something worth bearing in mind. What is it that you really want? If one day you would like to settle down with one woman and have kids then realise that experiencing variety may not benefit you.
My writing largely concerns itself with meeting and attracting women (for the purposes of experimentation or finding a partner). This is an area that fascinates me, as does the interplay between men and women, and the way that it has slowly changed over time. But there is a darker side to the life of the serial player. You can do what you want with your life, but it’s worth recognizing this.
Women Love Damaged Men
Rick’s story also contains a lesson for those interested in attracting women. Perhaps there will be men reading this who are jealous of his ability to draw women to him, even against their own interests—think about the risk of social ostracizing that Emily was prepared to take in order to have sex with him. Unfortunately, for me this story simply confirms that many women are attracted to damaged men. Rick’s high quotient of the dark triad of characteristics—narcissism, Machaiavellianism and psychopathy—make him irresistible to many women. But it is these same characteristics that mark him as unsuitable for monogamy or family life. Perhaps he’s cool with that, but if you’re not then you should think carefully about what your life goals are and move towards them strategically.
To find out more about relationships between men and women and how you can bring beautiful women into your life, read Troy’s book The Seven Laws of Seduction. To find out more click here.
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Rick wasn’t ready to settle. It could be a matter of time, maturity, or getting a few more crotch notches.
It ain’t easy to settle when you’re a pimp
YES!
It’s all one word like tribe called quest…pimp named slickback
How to know if she a ho
Can she run really fast in high heels?
LOL!
I love this.
Addiction to a b**** is no laughing matter Tom, it can mess with your friends, it can mess with your health, scary as it may seem even your money.”
Damn knowledge in an adult cartoon, how have i overlooked this and this is my favorite adult cartoon…
I think the main issue here is that men have opposing forces of attraction like women do. We want to sleep with a ton of women but want to marry a nice virgin girl. Overall, it’s like the male version of alpha fux beta bucks, and there are more men today trying to have their cake and eat it too like women are doing. Men are better than women when it comes to settling down after sleeping around, but that doesn’t mean men should be encouraged to pursue the “game” lifestyle.
The difference is that men actually love and respect our “beta bux” women, while having no respect for the sluts we bang around. Women respect and admire their alpha fux FAR above the beta bux. For this reason I think men have no problem bonding with a girl after being a player. Those hoes mean nothing to us, whereas most sluts want to settle down with the alphas they fuck but it doesn’t happen.
True, but that doesn’t really justify sleeping around when you are with a good woman.
My advice to men is to not sleep around too much, preferably not at all, and to not get married until you are ready.
This is the sort of thing Blackdragon Blog speaks of. The problem is, primarily, that men of a certain age and sexual potency will have the impulse to wander, but also have an impulse to pair-bond. He argues that there are three possibilities for handling this impulse:
1. Never settle down, which is bad for children and violates the pair-bonding impulses
2. Marry and do your best to tame the wandering impulse, which (when violated) causes great drama and may cause drama by its very nature
3. Don’t set the expectation that you’ll never wander on your main girl – engage in a “Monogamous Long-Term Relationship” or an “Open LTR”
It’s been a tough question for centuries. I don’t expect we’ll have the general-form solution in our lifetimes, but it’s worth thinking about.
I personally prefer option #3. I’m also upfront about this with any potential LTRs. I don’t skirt around the issue by trying to cleverly word responses to demands that I be monogamous – I come out and say “You can be my main chick, but sooner or later there WILL be a side chick. Take it or leave it.” I’ve lost a few girls that way but it saves a lot of drama in the long run.
It helps to be discreet about your mistresses. I take nearly as much care in ‘hiding’ my bits on the side from my main girl as I would if I was pretending to be monogamous and desperately trying to cover up all evidence of my adultery. This discretion needn’t go to the extremes that traditional adulterers take, it’s just a measure of respect to my main girl. She knows it goes on, but there’s no need for me to rub her nose in it.
Another (self-imposed) rule: stay away from her close friends and family. Breaking this rule is a major headache waiting to happen regardless of any ‘special arrangement’ you have with your LTR.
I doubt that an excessive player life damages you. Rather, I think that it is the damaged ones who choose to pursue that kind of life in the first place. They do not lose the ability for long-term relationships. They did not have it in the first place. Although that does not mean that it can not be gained.
I feel like I am this a bit tbh fam.
No shame in it. I bet I am as damaged as the worst of you guys. Only that it doesn’t benefit me as it does you.
So…prostitution?
Nah. Too much ego.
And too many STDs…
This is the thing I spent a few years being the best player genetics allowed, getting up my notch count as fast as I could and somehow fell into another long term relationship again.. I often question what the hell is wrong with me that made picking up such a struggle but then try to have gratitude and see what is right with me, easily having long term and short term relationships, even if it doesn’t quite deliver the thrill of the thrill of chasing fresh tail and banging.
Everything is right with you. We all choose the lives we are living and there is nothing wrong with it. I get that thrill of hunting. Is it ‘right’? Of course. Is it the best thing possible? I am not sure, for I lack the personal experience and won’t blindly trust those who advocate LTRs. I mean, most people advocate horrible stuff, so I’ll rather make up my oen mind.
Why would anyone want a married life really
I’ve been worried about this lately and I can’t imagine that I will be able to bond with a girl the way I could when I was a teenager. Too much has happened since then, not all bad but the years change a man. Aside from trust issues with women, my whole idea of what love is to women has been damaged beyond repair. If a woman can’t look at a man and love him for who he is, not what he can do for them, then its very, very hard to envision any relationship that isn’t transactional. I’m not jaded but I see the truth of this reality play out around me every day.
I still have the ability and capacity to pair bond but I don’t have the desire. So, yes I don’t think the game damages men the way it affects women. Women lose the ability to love anything, mainly themselves. I love my family, nieces and nephews, my dog and my friends. My soul is intact.
Something to think about, you may need to just bail on thinking about this for a while.
I was lucky in that my parents modeled a good marriage for me, so I knew the institution could work, but got my teeth metaphorically kicked in enough that I wondered if love and bonding are possible for me personally. One of the downsides of “the red pill” is that you’re tempted to focus on the negative side so much it can blind you to wider reality. This makes sense, the negative side is deadly important to know about because it ruins the lives of the unaware.
That being said, real love and bonding do exist and are natural, reality isn’t purely negative. Human beings were clearly created/evolved, whichever combo you believe, for pair bonding (or polygamy at the most). You can even see it in that our children are useless at taking care of themselves, they are critters who require a higher level of parental investment than most. Nature rewards family formation with all kinds of feel good chemicals.
Please don’t mistake this for sunshiny bullshit, there is a lot that is grim, but looking at reality means looking at all of it.
Well said.
“..but looking at reality means looking at all of it.”
Some cannot face it, but it does give you a better understanding and the capability to make the best decision for you.
I think Rick’s problem was that he married an older woman.
I doubt she made it to 36 unmarried without having serious baggage. Or having rode the carousal.
However, if he had married one of the younger interns, provided her notch count was low, she probably would have stayed loyal to him and not been a quarrelsome wife.
I love prejudicing people and predicting the truth using stereotypes. I used to fear doing it because of my liberal upbringing, but I’ve come to see that it works, often, and you can improve your predictive power the more you use and hone the skill.
Unless a society of men can effectively distribute the resource of woman to the majority of producing males in tha tsociety, and protect their rights to such resource, you are going to see the exact same breakdown that happens in every society in history when any necessary resource is hoarded by a few sociopaths.
I am not against puas, or players, or what have you. Marriage has been abolished, and its now a free for all, and you must do what you have to do to survive. Sex and female companionship is a human necessity. I get it.
But if you think this state can last indefinitely, you are deluding yourselves.
Look at Cuba under Baptista. It was his corruption and hoarding that opened the way to that monster Castro. Look at any country taken over by a totalitarion government, you will see the same pattern. Unrestrained competition with no protection of property rights, leading to despair of the average man of aquirong the same and thus no self interest in protecting the mechanism of social order.
Followed by competing social systems attempting armed revolution and consequently succeeding
The problem with Rick is the same problem with anyone who uses up and ruins a resource. Assume he only banged 200 women. Unlike with men, who we know only the top 20% get laid frequently, with women its spread more evenly. Which means whoever manages to tie down one of those women is going to be dealing with the disaster of “5 minutes of alpha is worth more than 5 years of beta” ie the girl is basically worthless as a mate.
Well thats now 200 men that will be lucky to get an unfaithful woman. Thats a problem that goes past Ricks happiness. We are now talking about a man that will disrupt the social order. Again, under the current regime, it makes no difference, there are no longer property rights here, so you do what you must, but when you establish a social order, how will you handle rick? Because you are going to have to deal with him. If he is not on board with what you are doing,then he will undermine you and you are going to find yourself roght back here.
Most men go through player periods. Most men eventually grow tired of it, and we choose to enter monogamous periods. Then the monogamy ends after five to seven years, and we begin another player period. This cycle goes on until the last drop of testosterone wicks out of our bodies.
It doesn’t mean you’re damaged; it just means you’re a man.
Hence the term, “the seven year itch.”
“Hence the term, “the seven year itch.”
I that has more to do with the herp.
I knew someone was going to go there…
Well said. There are a legion of men who go above and beyond being players and essentially become pussy addicts. They have a surplus of women sending them pictures. The age of the woman doesn’t matter as long as she is legal. And having a girlfriend or wife makes no difference because they never stopped gaming and sleeping with other women. I think ‘Rick’ is one such guy.
Indeed…we always crave what we can’t have…then we get it and it gets boring…so we focus our attention to something or someone else…
Hence I am not gonna marry…there are already enough unhappy marriages out there. I don’t want to burden the world with another one!
Maybe you should just meet a woman who hates you and buy her a house. It will be just like getting married only you will save a ton of time and won’t have to buy wedding invitations.
Truth.
Monogamy is a game-killer for sure. You tend to neglect yourself in a relationship. You workout less, you eat worse food. Your testosterone-level decreases. You become a docile farmer instead of a hungry wolf.
No doubt.
The more you fuck, the more you’re fucked!
I have thought long and hard about this and must say that I agree with Troy. I have lived a free agent life my whole life. I am in shape and successful and well dressed. I live in an area with a very large single female to male population and I have been doing is for so long and for so often that I am pretty much on auto pilot at this point.
Talking to women comes naturally. I understand what I say and what reaction it will have. There are times when I am talking to a girl and it islike reading a script. I know when to stop because she is going to laugh.
I have no desire to ever get into a serious commited relationship much less to get married and MUCH MUCH less to procreate. However, I do believe if I did I would find it difficult or, more likely, impossible.
We give a lot of heat to women with high notch counts as people unable to pair bond and it is true. Women who ride the carousel can not pair bond. They are incapable of love. There is no transformed ho. There is no awakening moment. If you slutted up your teens and 20’s you have no ability to feel love. Your soul is dead.
That said, as responsible men, we really ought to realize that that same logic applies to us as well. A healthy bit of experimentation is one thing. But you can not go year after year, decade after decade, adding notches and moving on and still expect to settle down.
Further, I do not think it is because you are now aware of the options you have and so any argument will seem not worth it etc. I think it is actually something bigger than that. I think you give of your self a little bit with each of the girls. For those players out there, remember early on, those first 20 or so lays, when you knew it was nothing but you still thought of that person as someone you might be interested in.
Now thing, years — hell a decade — after you have long forgotten your number…..when you meet a girl on the street, smile, run through a script successfully, are having a text convo where you aren’t even thinking you know the right words in your head, then you are at dinner and having a drink….you aren’t even wondering if she is going to fuck you or when she is going to fuck you…you already mapped this shit out…you are going through the motions…maybe you enjoy the motions (I do) maybe you just go through them because you know the end result….
Then you are home. Your iPhone Spotify “I’m about to get fucked list” is playing on your bose speaker as you open your door because FTW wifi.
You open a bottle of wine you left on ice. You knew she was coming back. You tell her to take her shoes off before coming in. Intimacy points. You are on the sofa. You are fucking. You nut. You even know the correct procedure to remove her from the place with the least amount of effort and drama.
It was all scripted. You have seen this movie so many times that you can walk out on it and come back in 20 minutes later and pick up like you never left.
Do you really feel for this person? I don’t. They are just what I am doing. No different than the waiter whose name I didn’t get or the cab driver who took us back to my place.
Just another dumb aspiring starlet who played the role. She is nothing. If she calls tomorrow and says she has cancer you will blow her off.
No, something happened…you lost something and that something is important to give to a person in order for you to pair bond with them.
For my part I am fine with it. I am dorian grey without the trepidations. I made my deal with the devil and I am ok with it — both the rewards and the repercussions . But I would suggest to young men who are starting out on game and high notch count womanizing as well as older guys who are just getting cued in now — remember that everything you get has a cost and you always need to honestly evaluate the cost and the reward. After you do your CBA then proceed accordingly, but don’t turn around in 10 years and realize you are going to be alone forever and wish it were otherwise.
So are you suggesting man who want LTRs to try and lower their counts ?
well, lowering their counts would be hard seeing as Iranian plutonium or a direct lightning strike is the only way to generate the 1.21 giggawats of electricity it will take in order to go back in time.
I wouldn’t really presume to tell people who want LTR’s to do. It is not my area of expertise. My advice is more to the aspiring player. Realize that you are selling a part of yourself that you cannot get back and without it you will never properly pair bond and any attempt at LTR will eventually break down and fail.
If I had any advice for young men looking to get married it is to date like a guy who is looking to get married. Find good girls (if you can) and don’t fuck them over. There are other guys on this board who have successful marriages and children who would be better at that advice though.
My only valid advice is to someone who looks at my life and sees countless notches…I mean, I couldn’t even imagine what that number would be but I will say when I read the article and read 500 I thought it seemed low…..but people who see my life and say that that is something they would like…they should take a look at the cost.
I am not suggesting anyone not pay that price. I am fucking glad I did. But that is me and every man needs to make his own decisions with the best info at hand.
I find what you say more astounding than I actually agree with it all. I do believe there is a high potential for it, but the more you play a role, the more you become that role. Probably the simplest and hardest thing to do, is stop being the role. In our oversexed and accommodating society, this is harder to do than becoming a multi millionaire.
I have considered the possibility that stepping back, maybe taking a year in the mountains or doing some crazy shit, you might be able to come back and be reset in a way and then start performing a new role which will stick, with time, just as the old one has.
It is possible. I won’t say no. I do think it is unlikely. I think it is more akin to taking your credit with a band mortgage and a few bad car leases, moving and expecting creditors not to find you and then being surprised when you apply for a new mortgage and get rejected. But again, I can’t say. I have no desire to find an LTR, a marriage or to have children so the question of whether it would be possible is merely a theoretical construction for me.
That could be an article all its own.
This whole discussion raises another question though:
What about those that are in a LTR and then begin spinning plates? One example comes to mind. I wonder what the general outcome of that would be.
It is a good question, but one I can only theorize on. The problem is, a lot of first hand info has to go into knowledge like this and since I didn’t have the LTR I don’t have that knowledge.
My sense, however, is that as you share of your self with others there will be less and less to share with a LTR. It may be able to last a while, but sooner or later either the plates will drop or the LTR will break. That said, many a relationships have lasted decades totally broken off from anything other than pragmatism. My grandfather had mistresses his whole life….he and his wife had an arrangement. They lived separate lives. She wanted for nothing and didn’t ask questions. However, relationships born in the great depression where one person had ample resources might have operated on different rules.
To me the problem is not the number.
I am below 20 but I feel I crossed the Rubicon early on.
I was a typical beta with no social skills. I had girls aggressively approach me, but being a clueless fool I did not know what to do.
Once I learned what to do, the charm is gone. Now I can get laid but I don’t feel the same I would have felt when I was a noob.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_hedonism
My problem is I got broke early on, when there were girls I could have had teen romance with, but I missed that. Luckily I had ONE sweet relationship in college, although I was a bit hardened by then.
I feel that if men do not have highschool sweetheart relationships early on their heart hardens and they become like me.
I have becomen too calculating, cold and sociopathic. And it’s not that it hurts, it’s my default mode now.
The problem isn’t me, it’ the world around me. That’s the sad reality. This world doesn’t need heart-warmed schlubs, it needs more cold-hearted killers.
In many ways I am glad I went through this, it could have been way more painful, but as captain Shepherd says :
” Folly are those who cry the loss of their innocence. This universe doesn’t reward the wide-eyed fools “.
This sounds plausible to me. It wasn’t my experience but, as we know, there are a lot of roads to the same destination.
I never had a beta stage. When I was 10 my mom would take me to visit my grandma and we would go to the pool and I would rap to the lifeguard. My mother said she had never seen anyone so confidently talk to a girl and that I would always make her laugh. I still remember when I saw her in the parkinglot kissing her boyfriend. I was in shock. I couldn’t figure out for the life of me why she wanted someone else.
I didn’t have a highschool sweetheart. I graduated highschool with a notch count way higher than most people ever get in their lives.
So it seems we are in the same boat but we got there via different paths.
What I don’t like is you describing it as broken. Fuck that. There is no right or wrong here, only being your own man. It is when the family oriented you have to procreate assholes start saying that people who don’t follow their life style (a life style that would be abhorrent to me) there is something wrong with you that I totally check out.
Well, I don’t mean broke as in destroyed.
I was like you, a natural alpha. I was the only one who had the balls to call out the girls for dances in the club, while all the “alphas” from the class hid in corners like bitches.
But my mom forced beta indoctrination down my throat. And I was also too independent to participate in the class hierarchy so I was the odd one out. I formed my own clique and was very eccentric.
Despite all the roadblocks I came to basic game on my own. Then I left home for college, my asshole nature was let to roam unhindered and then I discovered the manosphere and the rest is history. Good thing I got a nice heart-warming relationship out if it at least.
I am somewhat sociopathic by nature, life events only accelerated it. Now I feel nothing when 50 gays get killed or refugees drown. I make non-PC jokes, take drugs and am not running away from fights or approaching chicks.
Some people are the way they are. I went into my dad, despite my mom trying to stop me. My dad ended up in prison and later died due to bad circumstances. All my childhood my mom tried to stop me from becoming him. Even when I ate sloppily she would say things like ” You know who ate slopilly ? Your dad ! And where is he now ? 50 feet under. Do you want to end like him ? Eat properly ! ” I had to live with this crap all my childhood. Well, all the attempts were in vain. I turned into an asshole anyway.
My mom trying to change me, only made things worse. My mom broke into hysterical cries to often to manipulate me. I also got betrayed in a big way by a small terminally sick kid, who then used his sickness to shield himself and blame me instead. Now female tears don’t move me and neither cries of helpless terminally ill kids. I am too stone cold at this point. I guess that’s a good thing. The world will need men like me in the upcoming race war. I will be the one sinking refugee ships full of orphaned kids.
Good thing it’s over. I’m my own man now, but I am not sure how I’ll get to getting married with the nature I have.
And here I am telling my life story on the internet, lol. I’ll go get drunk now.
I can’t see what the problem is here. You started to look at matters with an adult view. A red pill view. Love is just chemicals in your brain, a vagina is a hole made out of flesh with glands, humans are a kind of robots you can influence, marriage is not holy but a legal document to secure pussy for you and security for her.
You rather live in fantasy land?
Well, you are correct to a degree. But there is more than just “realism”.
I realized these days that I lost a bit of my humanity. I thought if I saw a boat with refugee kids drowning I wouldn’t give a crap.
I became more Machiavellian, more dark triad as people here like to call it. That is not just “realism”, it’s something more.
I understand. Talking about refugees. I couldn’t care less if they died. Same goes for criminals. If a new government asked me to pull the trigger a thousand times, I could without a problem do that. Totally desensitized. But, I know for a fact, being tested that I’m not autistic.
It’s just that you grow older and want to see the truth. The truth in how people function, how you are being lied at, taken advantage of etc. Then you know being selfish is the most important thing. First me then somebody else. That doesn’t correspond with the western socialist paradigms. But I feel happy that I am this way when I look at how oblivious some people are to their surroundings.
You make a very interesting point. One Ive thought about before. Biomechanics or something I think they call it? Removing all the mysticism from ‘romantic love’ that people obsess over. Suggesting that contrary to their ‘feelings’ its nothing more than a chemical cocktail intended to facilitate genetic reproduction.
But that line of reasoning seems to make most people uncomfortable. Why do you think?
Because it shows them that love is a myth. Sex and relationships are a constant war and you can’t control anybody but yourself. And that is the scary part for most.
So, following your suggestion, another man is just a skeleton wrapped in flesh. If someone makes you mad, why not blow his brains out? All you really did was blow some piece of meat out of his skull, right? That’s how degeneration begins.
You would give a crap. You would save those kids. Its human nature. We can’t help ourselves.
What about if the war happened where your family lives and they became refugees. Would you care then?
That’s how a psycho thinks and acts.
Cosa Nostra ethics.
If more than 80% of all refugees are men, who rape (Cologne-Germany, Sweden, Norway) or who complain about not getting Halal-food. Those I don’t care about. Europe is getting flooded by low-IQ men, without a real education. They only costs us money. For those refugees, if their boat would capsize, I wouldn’t care.
Real refugees, who escaped for war however have my sympathy. Surely they can wait here till they can go back to restore their country. But I don’t want them to stay here permanently if they can’t contribute to our economy and have different values also. We already have enough problems with immigrants.
That you see things in a materialistic way doesn’t mean they don’t have value. My computer is also just a combination of plastics, copper, lead, Silicon etc. But together it is amazing. You must however understand that in the end it’s not magic but purely science.
Same goes for the brain. It is matter, it can do things very well and others very bad. But it is a biological supercomputer. Nothing degenerate about thinking like that. Doesn’t mean that you disrespect your fellow men or would harm others.
The London daygame model. Do you know it? Are people who use that social robots or sociologists?
Not the fucking refugee kids…
I’d stay and fight it. Would you ?
well I tend to agree with you all about being desensitized but I don’t think it only is induced by a high “notch count”. Many other factors come into play and it’s more likely the impact of western society on all of us, through its decadence which include sexual promiscuity among other things…
Wars have happened in Europe for centuries.
Exactly.
Individualism, feminism, affirmative-action, seeing your taxmoney go to idiots, cultural marxism, socialism on the one side, hard capitalism on the other side, noticing people have ulterior motives = they need something from you.
Well said, different values and lower IQ. We have to cherish what we have, know how easily it can disappear, and acknowledge that all these folks popping over is a win/lose situation against us. If their tribe has not contributed to the building of our civilisation, what entitlement do they have to benefit from it.
Nope . Wrong . You can’t explain love with biochemical reactions . In the same way you can’t use science to prove why Led Zeppelin is so fucking amazing .
Science is a tool . It’s not a social system . Hitler used the theory of evolution and natural selection to slaughter innocent Jews , handicapped people etc . You would like that shit to happen again ?
I believe most things can be explained by science. Maybe not now, but later. There are only a lot of parameters.
That doesn’t answer the question . It’s a bit like saying I am not retarded if I firebomb people at a mall it’s not a form of retardation because , psychology might explain it some day .
Maybe if one of those kids had a rich parent
Glad you mentioned both cultural marxism and hard capitalism… some people tend to focus too much on the former and forget the latter, when they actually are in a symbiotic relationship.
Yeah, I often argue with my parents about this stuff. The older generation still genuinely believes in love. And as it has been suggested here, it seems it has a lot to do with the socio-sexual framework they grew up with.
Divorce was the great icebreaker. I do not care much about gay marriage because the traditional one was rendered meaningless a long time ago.
From the age of 15 or so, I have always thought that ‘romantic love’ was a fiction. Not out of personal experience but just looking around.
I had a high school sweetheart and my heart hardened anyway. Its all part of life. Don’t worry.
I guess it’s inevitable.
That something that is lost – did you ever have it? And farther: Does it even exist?
This is a fair question. I honestly can’t tell you for sure. I don’t know. However, I will tell you what I believe. I believe that there is something. Whether that something is a part of your soul the way poets might believe or simply your ability to bond, I don’t know.
What I do know is that there was a time, many, many years ago when the knee-man had something that resembled feelings. That was a very long time ago and I think that at least part of that numbness — especially as concerns women — has come from having countless partners.
In an odd way I feel it is a lot like the way people describe having come home from a war and how they no longer feel they fit into polite and decent society.
I can empathize with that feeling of coming home from war. Not that it has anything to do with women in my case, but I know what you mean. Maybe that’s why I keep being drawn to this site.
In the shamanic traditions, there is a thing called “soul retrieval”. It is based on the belief that when a situation is too painful, a part of your soul splits from the whole, to be safe. Apparently, it can be brought back, along with the memories and pain. Without the soul part, there is no pain – but not much feelings either.
Reminds me a bit of Voldemort. Whom I, weirdly, empathize with a lot.
I mentioned something in a response here about something similar to soul retrieval. I suppose it is possible. However, I don’t believe so and, moreover, I’ve never tried as I am pleased with the results of my life.
Being possible does not mean it is necessary. Maybe the day will come when it will be the thing to seek, maybe not. Sometimes holding on to pain and numbness is something that the soul needs as well, in a twisted way.
I have to say…I don’t think I am holding on to pain and or numbness. I am not that deep. Other than being exhausted and stressed from work I am pretty fucking happy. My life is great.
Heh. Guess I was projecting.
everyone has a different story and all. I am not saying I just out of bed with glee every day and if I could be a super wealthy billionaire actor secret agent I would…but all things being equal, I am pretty satisfied.
Those injuns knew what they were talking about.
I think the Englishmen killed them because they knew too much – sitting around all day, having nothing to do, eating psychedelic plants, makes you painfully aware of the workings of the world. 🙂
That’s bizarrly close to the truth.
Really?
Man I’m astounded by this. I once made a very similiar comparison when talking to this girl where I said that a serious relationship is kinda like the horcrux thing where your ability to “care” is permanently diminished after the fact…
Sex is a stimulus, just like drugs. Now I’m not putting drugs and sex on the same boat here. But, when a drug user delves into the depths of addiction, the user needs more and more of the substance to achieve the same dopamine rush they got when they first sniffed that bullshit into their nasal cavity. Many users report becoming desentisized…and I believe the same can apply to sex. I’m not bashing any man with a high notch count. I think its just a matter of brain chemistry. Porn addicts(yes, I do believe there is such a thing) report this same inability to love, so to speak.
ha excellent. The snake is great for hiding feelings…
Men that get too embroiled in sex and become a sex addict will start looking for higher thrills this can lead to the dangers of homosexuality, transexuality, pedophilia and zoophilia
Charlie Sheen knows this all too well.
And, would you procreate if there were no obligations attached to impregnating a girl and just leaving?
No.
I have zero desire to have children or create them. I have my little nieces that I see once a year and can be the great uncle knee man for.
There are no circumstances in which I would want to impregnate.
How old are you, if I may ask?
I would say younger than @ghostofjefferson but that doesn’t really narrow it down now does it……lol
42?
39.
Kirk Douglas, is that you ?
The meaning of life.
The answer to everyyhing is bound to be the answer to something.
Appreciate your candor. How long did most relationships last for you?
My longest lasted just over a year. It did not go well and it ended even worse. Other than that I have never been in a relationship per se. I had girls that were regular bangs and even ones I spent time with but I never promised monogamy or a future life together.
“Your iPhone Spotify “I’m about to get fucked list” is playing on your bose speaker as you open your door because FTW wifi.”
This made me lol… BUT IPhag = fail…
I don’t get involved with the which phone is better wars. My company hands me a phone and pays the bill. If not for that I would have a flip phone or possibly bust out my old beeper.
Not only that, but I like my iPhone. Maybe it is just because I’ve had one for so long I am used to it and I am too much an old fart to learn something new, but I can use it without looking so that’s good.
And there is nothing like when my elevator stops and I am walking down the hall setting up my fucking light dimmer, air conditioner and Spotify play list which is literally labeled “fuckin” so when I open the door a mood is set.
Whatever gets a legitimate and satisfying consummation of intercourse, wins.
I find that women, for the most part, once they agree to go out with you want to fuck you. If you spit decent game, look nice, smell nice and keep an air of mystery about you they will be the ones engaging
I heard that Dorian Gray liked it up the arse. At least he does on TV. You don’t want to be like Dorian Gray.
I can tell you though, I have no trouble falling in love. Its a problem. So I am not worried about that in spite of all of my… liaisons.
But we can also turn this around. Instead you could have gotten married young. Spent 10 years with your wife before getting divorced raped. How will you feel about “love” then?
Me? I think it is silly and a horrible waste of time. I was just pointing out that I don’t think I’m capable of it. If I were I would avoid it like the plague.
Great comment as always Lolknee. Can I ask how old you are now?
Troy.
early 40’s
That is very insightful. I played the field when in college, but as I got older I started to realize that you really do give away a little bit of yourself with each new partner. But I have never seen it so well put. Great comment and some wise words.
Tldr; lifetime monogamy does not jibe with modern life.
Thank heaven
Fucking great post. Prior to marriage I spent 3 years drinking, snorting coke and shagging girls.
I’ve always believed on some level those years killed something inside me. Even now
It did, a little. 3 years isn’t an awful long time and there is something left I am sure. I really wish I had better words to describe it but I am loath to use “love” or “soul” or even “self”
sorry, didn’t finish.
If the desire to get married was still there than maybe there was still something left. But yeah, there is a sense or feeling that something is missing. Try doing it for decades…lol….I am pretty sure I have no reflection in mirrors at this point (though my coke days are long, long gone)
Thanks for the compliment.
Marriage came just at the right time. It needed to be a girl outside my then social circle and luckily it was.
But those 3 short/long years completely shaped my attitude to women and people in general. I wouldn’t have lasted decades.
And I used to be such a nice lad
Ah gents – but also that famous quote (who?) something to the effect – I spent thousands on fast cars, fast women, and pleasures of the night – the rest of the money i spent was a waste
George Best
Getting a sweetheart and early marriage just creates some memories but you will forget it all away anyway
I suspect you may be correct and that financial interdependence, cultural identity as couple rather than two individuals and children are the only things that will keep a high school sweetheart couple together for the 60+ years that would entail a long term relationship being successful. That said, I have no experience with this and usually defer to unabashed and GoJ with matters of marriage.
mate this post is bang on, It desensitizes you to a point ,I think you still crave a connection but you have lost the connection somehow in yourself ,dunno that’s how it feels to me
I would almost swear we live identical lives. I’m over here now thinking about how I’m going to smash this chick and then tell her it’s not going to work tomorrow. I’m still young enough that I think there may be hope as far as settling down…maybe I’m in denial. I’m not sure why it’s like this but even if I actually like a woman when it’s over I don’t feel shit and I have a new one within the week. Maybe we’re all just fucked up…
Don’t think of it as you being fucked up man. Women feed you the idea that it is “wrong” to be on your own.
Can you imagine batman or james bond being like “hold on, gotta check in with the missus.
Nah, fuck that. If a man want to be part of a couple or have a family that is fine, great, terrific. But if you don’t….never let people convince you it is wrong.
I woke up this morning alone, turned on some music, scrambled up some eggs, made some coffee and am having a grand ole sunday. Those people who are normal are probably dealing with all sorts of shit with their wives and girlfriends I can’t even imagine.
Its people like you, why I’ll always come back to, like, comment, and subscribe to red pill websites such as ROK. Unbiased, informative, and very truthful content…Thank you for this gem of knowledge.
Thanks man!
I would wager the player lifestyle does prevent the ability to bond with females because after banging enough women he learns about their true nature, and he will never allow himself to bond to something that is selfish and superficial.
The only guys the “bond” with women are beta simps very little experience with them.
Nah I don’t think so. I cannot bond w 99 percent of women that I fucked, bc they’re just holes and they knew going in that I just wanted to do them and they still let it happen on the first or second meet. Can’t respect girls like that so obviously no bonding possible there
But for my current girl – fiancé now – we bond like crazy and no shame in my game for saying that even on ROK. Difference is I respect her as a woman and don’t just see her as some hole to do. It’s the woman’s job to make the man see them as more than a hole; she did that. And for the women who can do that , I think bonding is more than possible
Then how did your grandpa do it then?
“Then how did your grandpa do it then?”
Grandpa didnt fuck around as much – and at least females back in that era (unlike today) at least understood and respected that had certain obligations when they settled down.
Then you contradicted yourself!!!!
Monogamy is boring, for men with a scarcity-mentality and in no way the path to a fulfilling sex-life. After 2 years I was so bored with my last gf. And before that with the other after 9 months, even with some chubby one I picked from a datingsite. After 3 months I’ve had it! It always starts horny, funny, relaxed. “Why dump a good pussy”, other men would say. But at some moment you just realize the hassle isn’t worth it. The complaining, the demands.
Once again. Monogamy is boring. I become completely uninterested in having sex with her after some time. I thought a lot about cheating. I did with all my gf’s. If I had the opportunity to cheat I did it. The first time I did it, I felt guilty, (“Am I really one of those guys?”, I though.) but after the second time I just rationalized it with being a mammal. “This is just biology, women do this all the time when their hypergamy tells ‘m to do it” That is what I said to myself. Now, it is dishonest. But why let new pussy slip right? I want to get back for the fcked up puberty I had. Women didn’t look at me for one second. Now, I recovered pretty good in my mid-twenty’s, but I want more. More notches. I’m not going monogamous before 40, at least! So I’m approaching a lot, doing daygame. And it works. But I must prevent myself doing beta-stuff. Staying in the lover-role instead of letting some provider-game simmering trough.
I like my spare-time too much to have a relationship. Been there, done that. Maybe when I’m 45, but not now at 30. The hunt is better than the catch. And I notice that I still can chat up 18 year olds. To them it doesn’t matter that I’m 30. As long as they don’t obviously get it slammed in their face (like on a datingsite) then it doesn’t matter.
I’ve developed a bitter outlook on relationships with women. Pump ‘n dump sounds cool, but I rather just pump ‘m until they start making demands. Spin those plates… It keeps things an adventure, like life itself. Comfort is killing.
The most important thing of this rant I guess:
All men should use their own primes and refuse to follow the female sexual imperative, which is that you commit to her in your prime after her prime is over. She did all the cockriding and now you can play family. No, you should bang 22-30 year old women in your thirties and give them nothing! And in the meantime let those over the hill 30+ skanks cry: “where have all the good men gone”, “all good men are already in a relationship”.
There are good women, but I would never want one who I didn’t fuck in her twenty’s. The risk of captain savehoe’ing is too big.
Well, tough love
I like my spare time too much to have a relationship
Amen, brother. I also think that if I marry, it would be necessary to have something discreet on the side in order to keep me happy. But right now I can’t fathom giving up all my personal time that is required in adequately keeping a wife, much less a family.
Yes. Relationships cost a lot of time. When I’m studying I can’t be bothered by some woman. I don’t want to watch tv-series together, to have fixed days where you meet each other and cook, do the sex thing. Endless hugging and caressing. Talking about stuff which doesn’t interest me, hearing her problems.
Now, I all did this in the past. So it’s not that I can’t be in a relationship. First getting my shit together will benefit me in the end.
Did you notice how your health is much better when single? I now don’t skip my workouts anymore. Before, in a LTR I often let it slide. The diet also was worse. You tend to make bad food-choices when in a LTR. That’s not strange of course, because comfort stimulates eating comfort-food. A single man needs to be in good shape to compete on the sexual market place.
The worst I ever look is the last day of a LTR.
Yes. For me the period after my 2 year LTR was also hell. I got so comfortable being in a relationship. Sometimes there was a lay I could do here and there. Spicing it up with some sidepuss, but the thing is: all your eggs are in one basket. You disregarded actively approaching women so you fall into scarcity mentality. So the realization that you once again have to go out, train your game, do the mass-approaching. That sucks. You can compare it to being in jail. You get fed and have a comfortable room. You feel fine, not having to pay bills and stuff. You live in a microcosmos. And then, the LTR is over. You are back where you started: back on the market, in the “real” world.
For the rest, the free time is great. I immediately went to the gym, played some games and started reading those stacks of books on the self. And.. you save money.
sounds like your LTRs have been with some real low quality girls. naggy, unhealthy, boring, don’t let u do what you want in ur free time? BLEH. there’s higher quality girls out there. few and far between but they do exist. (you might wanna try to subtly red pill the more open minded ones.)
i’ve been with my man for 7 years and let him train mma 2-3 hours a day after work, watch all the sports & play all the video games he wants. i would do all the cooking but he actually likes to do some of it. i do all his laundry, pack his lunch, give him a massage everyday, and do it all happily for him. inexchange he does the yardwork and buys me sexy clothes to wear for him. some girls actually like gender roles and don’t bitch at and nag their men all day. and if you do want an LTR id suggest looking for a girl thats into health and fitness, not only are we better looking & far happier, but we help u stay that way too. finally, some of us are actually understanding that our men might get bored and talk to other women. i’ve caught him texting other girls and hes caught me texting guys, but we both got over it cause we understand that 7 years of time and care means way more then taking the bait when some other attractive person flirts with us. (not sure how it would work out with actual physical cheating – i think id forgive him though)
i totally understand and respect that monogamy is not for everyone. no judgement either way. but if you do want a successful LTR one day, i wouldn’t let some whack ass bitches make u think its doomed.
I also know a fair amount of long term couples that are into threesomes, partner swapping, or just flat out open relationships. again, not for everyone. but if u enjoy a relationship but also get sexually bored, it does work for some people. lesser versions of this would be letting your partner sext other people.
also, i cant be the only girl out there that hates cuddling, carressing cheesy sappy bs.
Your story sounds good. Technology makes cheating and peeking at options so easy. The grass is indeed always greener. More attractive people will always come up. But if you really like someone you won’t cheat I guess. Even if you can. Only when you don’t care about somebody you’ll do it, I know from experience. Once I had a fling with a chubby chick, then an ex texted me to come over. That was…cheating. “Who cares” I thought. She was only a time-filler.
Btw, My post was already 6 months old. Since that time, (now 6 months ago) I met a cute girl. She is into fitness and seems to be serious about the relationship. Otherwise, I surely could go berserk dating countless girls and having casual sex. But I’m happy now and want this relationship to last 🙂
After being in relationships for 7 years, I value my spare time as well. Finally, I can reconnect and listen to all the dirty metal I want in the safe space of my car, I can reattempt to learn foreign cuisines, I can work out in peace and get rid of the 10+ pounds of gut that are weighing me down, and even though I’m not a hardcore gamer, I can play Call of Duty whenever I feel like it.
Call of Duty? I hope you switch to Battlefield 1…
Thanks for the suggestion. I don’t play video games that much, but when I do it’s either first person shooters, vintage games, and the occasional driving game.
More or less like me. I play mostly FPS. I told you about Battlefield 1 because I prefer vintage conflicts. If you are into that stuff, check this mod: http://forgottenhope.warumdarum.de/
It is a bit old, for Battefield 2, but very realistic in terms of weaponry and vehicules. It is perfect if you do not have a very powerful computer, and good looking enough.
Spot fucking ON. I agree 100%. We are pretty much alike.
I’m also remotely thinking about being actually (not just pretending it, while having side chicks). before 45 yr.
Women are not the most important thing in my life and that’s awesome. My Passion is my job. I have just started a year ago and it gets better and better.
(Not trying to brag here, but if things go smooth I’m gonna have my first million in 4 years.)
45 may be a long time from 30. But once you are that age, people are going to start looking differently at you. Women too. They want you for what you can provide. Now, my friends are getting babies, buying houses, some get married. It looks very confronting to me that I am now too in this stage of life.
If you don’t want to marry, have children and you like being alone more than with people it makes sense to remain a bachelor. But unlike those celibate MGTOW-guys I want to put emphasis on improving my SMV and wealth. Those videos they make are seriously depressing! I’ve switched from Sandman to daygame pickup videos. Women are just women. They are scandalous. But it is what it is. Crying about it is stupid. Both sexes were never meant to live together in one house anyway. It’s just procreation and doing each other favors.
Yeah people will hate you if you are not married after 30 and not even trying.
These 2 articles describe it pretty good:
Sometimes I agree with a lot of what MGTOW’s say, but then again I see comments like “Avoid all women, porn is enough and once in a while a hooker.” and “Every guy who has good game is a pussy beggar.”
this all day.
recently a girl said “you aren’t married? is there something wrong with you?” I used my stock response “no, if something was wrong with me I would be married to some miserable bitch and unable to talk to you”
I will re-read those articles. They are pretty good indeed! The most backlash from my “not caring about LTR’s” is that my family, aunts and mother especially mock me about not ever having children. Saves me € 100.000 per child I tell them. My father had 4, so can you imagine how much richer he could have been without us. Not having to buy the big house also etc. He understands me tough and supports my decision completely. Last week when I visited him he said: “If I had to do it over again I would just let some woman come over from time to time to tickle my back”. Says it all
THIS.
I am tired of MGTOW calling me a mangina for having game, which in their interpretation means “giving women what they want” thus pedestalizing.
LOL, I guess I’ll be a mangina then.
Real alphas have to complain about gynocracy on the internet. I am not alpha enough for that. I guess I’ll stick to gaming ladies like a good ol mangina.
I mean, that makes ZERO sense. Every redpill who knows the lover/provider shit, knows that guys with game get easy pussy WITHOUT begging, and waiting 3 dates and buying her a shitload of things to get pussy.
Guys with game, fuck on D2, sometimes even same-day-lays, so how tf does that make me a pussy beggar.
“What about Tinder and online dating in general?” No. That is for the top 8-10% males. They get all the action.
The only thing that gets you laid (with acceptable ROI) is going out of your house. Approaching. Getting rejected. Again and again. It’s like fishing. You get a feeling for what works and what not. You become insensitive to rejection. Your lines get better. You play the matinggame how it was meant to be played. With stimulating a woman trough conveying status. You can’t really (really can’t) do that effectively on the internet.
MGTOW’s resort to seclusion and use the biggest coping strategy : “I go my own way”. Yeah, in misery that is. MGTOW’s are men who gave up on life. Most of the time older men with low SMV’s. I get the idea that – how stupid the community is – it saves lives. It functions as a barrier to suicide probably.
But very stupid that young men follow the mgtow- niche. They should use their youth to their advantage. It’s the ideology of the Elliot Rodgers of this world. Men who don’t acknowledge their own potential despite some “shortcomings”, which we all have. Game is just a skill you can learn. Getting in shape is just something you can do. Money is not even important for getting sex. Really not. Later in life that becomes important. Young girls are looking for fun, not for providers.
And for all those older guys there are enough older, 40, 50 year old women who would love to date some “established” guy. You could fuck them easily while giving them nothing. In this day and age, no man who takes action has to go without sex. No man has to post mgtow videos on the internet that is.
Because your pleasing them or something, that’s mangina behaviour. Alphas sit in chat rooms and plan on destroying the American gyno-Gulag.
Yes yes yes. Guys with game never have to wait to date 3. Like the game-community prescribes, you should never hide your dick! Always be bold about your expectations. You are a sexual being, not in for it only for sex, but if you get the idea there is no chemistry you will leave. For some time I had to convince myself that being this honest could blow up the possible lays, but when you use the big brain you know it makes sense. Women know within 2 minutes if they want to fuck you or not. The rest is just not fucking up. Jumping the hurdles.
My go to response for the uglies were, “Would you rather marry young to a guy who doesn’t know shit, or would you prefer a man with worldly experience?” The game response was, “Haven’t met a woman that could tame me yet.”
Both worked like a charm.
I think it is important to have stock responses that you have used over and over. The words come effortlessly off your tongue and event though you said it 100 times, it is the first time they are hearing it and the confidence of saying a well used line is like the comfort of wearing a well used boot and they eat it up.
The best comeback tool ever I heard of came from GoodLookingLoser. This is what you say when a hot girl accuses you of being a player. But it is Machiavellian as fuck. Hardcore dark triad stuff.
( Last section of the article. With the audio)
http://www.goodlookingloser.com/player-accusations-from-new-girls-fuckbuddies-what-they-mean-dynamite-to-destroy-them
I was accused of that on a few occasions. Another deadpan response was, “It’s not my fault women suck at taming dudes. Why do you think there’s so may single mothers out there?”
That will make the girl go wild on pleasing you. But the face she will make when she realizes she cannot tame you either, lol. That’s how feminist cunts are born.
Sandman, the guy who wants to use surrogacy to procreate. Disgusting.
Oh, I heard it plenty of times. Called small dick asshole, weeping over the phone/in public, faked pregnancies, summoning of white knights even.
The funniest one happened long after one chick and I broke it off. She had her husband, yes husband, send me an e-mail talking shit. Wish I’d screen capped it because the whole thing was hilarious that even years after we’d pumped and dumped she had the dude contact me when I hadn’t given her a second thought after she quit returning my phone calls.
Sandman has had some seriously bad problems with damaged women in his past and it has put him off them for life. I sympathise with him.
So did I. Doesn’t mean I’m going to buy children.
I’m not talking about you.
No we were talking about Sandman, who has had some seriously bad problems with damaged women, and as a result who wants to use surrogacy to become a single dad.
I said I have had serious problems too, and was not going the same path, therefore implying that having problem with women is not an excuse to buy children.
what is bad in eugenics? if you could choose the ovary of a woman that is pretty and have a high IQ it will give you a child of great quality.
There is something about the being under the same roof thing. Careful how one manages that, I wonder if I might not ever live in a conventional fashion with a woman again. Unconventional if I play my cards right
Fantastic post. Thanks for the extra positive words for game against tinder. Probably day game. Being not the most recent generation I have trouble bringing myself to embrace dating apps, and sometime wonder if I’m missing out. But don’t think so. Approaching is such a dhv compared to swyping..
Now, I’m not a saint. I’m currently using a dutch datingsite to function as a by-catch. I’ve gotten laid from that site with like 5 girls in the last couple of years. It can work. But you have to understand that the idea of a datingsite is wrong. It’s anti-lover and pro-provider. Women there are like CERN looking for higgs boson.
In the end it is a buffer. To successfully game a woman you need to speak to her directly, or on the phone. If you stay typing too long the momentum is gone. From first message to calling to dating shouldn’t take more than 7,8 days. And that is still a long time.
Now I don’t like nightgame. It’s just not for me. I’m muscular, but I don’t stand out with my looks and height. And that doesn’t mean I’m bad looking, definitely not. But why would anyone man voluntarily put himself in a room where the game is to compete with another 40 guys? Sounds stupid. Women also have a bitch shield, or on guard, the loud music, the costs etc. But there are guys who love nightgame. It’s faster, more sexual.
Daygame is about stimulating her with words, convening your self-esteem, your worth as a man. If men only knew how much women are the so-called “yes-girls” (she wants to f you without a doubt ) that they let slip by. Most women are maybe-girls. Those are a challenge. But if you approach enough you will get numbers and sex without question. I asked a woman last week: “have you ever been approached by men on the street for a conversation?” She had been whistled at, called hotty, stared at by old men, but a decent guy? No. Reason? I say: approach anxiety.
So please go out and step out of your comfort zone. If you are reading this, please do it. Speak to five girls in an afternoon. You will feel more masculine than being on Tinder, OKstupid and PlentyOfFatties for 5 years.
I can not say for sure, but I doubt I will ever marry. I am 27 now and already thought so as a teenager. Since I don’t want to have kids, it just does not make sense for me.
At best it is just a charade. At worst, an outright swindle.
Those are luxuries not necessities
On another note is it a woder your country has low birth rates and will demographically replacedo by migrants?
i find it pretty handy as far as chores go at least. i do the laundry, cleaning, dishes, holiday decor & other feminine tasks while my boyfriend does that yardwork, takes out the trash, moves furniture & other masculine tasks. plus we actually save hella money by splitting costs on things (cable, toaster, sofas, that kinda thing). can u elaborate on the downfalls of living under the same roof other then the inconvenience toward side pussy
Well you’re more normal than me, that sounds like the way it should be. I had a very controlling female parent growing up and in my LTR she was patrolling a lot more than whether I was getting any side pussy (which I wasn’t). So I’m a bit biased and paranoid about that all repeating.. But year 5+ years of having all my hobbies, sports, comings and goings scrutinized I am very hesitant to move in with a woman again. That being said, can’t let the past dictate the future and possibly ruin a more normal kind of life, having children..
For example, if we lived together I would have to view and write on ROK or the forum in private. A lot of the time I’m just doing something relatively harmless but don’t like to be questioned, eg going for a walk, going to watch a film on my own. Watching speeches from conservative politicians on youtube. Maybe it’s being an only child. Just not sure I cope well with always having someone around.. Lucky the girl I’m with is relatively independent and the main drawback of the current arrangement if commuting and having partial sets of clothes in different locations.
Also have felt it’s a one-directional step, ie if you conclude afterwards you preferred living apart, you can’t easily go back to it without breaking up. Have heard about one exception though..
i get what you’re saying. a girl that doesn’t let u read the blogs and watch the youtube videos u like isn’t one worth keeping anyway. i will say that living together in a bigger place where you can be in separate rooms sometimes is easier then close quarters where ur basically on top of each other.
Yes, am also for multiple rooms if we move in together. Reminds me of “War of the Roses” which is a pretty funny film about territorial behaviour in the marital home.
Nice, I just found my first job out of college. Can’t wait to see the paper rolling.
Got to fix some health related stuff and then I’m gonna save some money to move to a bigger city. Fun and pussy awaits.
One of the reasons I will have trouble thinking of marrying is how much I love money now. I know what it is like to be poor. Sharing my money with any woman does not seem worth it. I might want a kid in the future, but with the stuff some of these women demand … I might end crying from loneliness in my own yacht.
http://i.perezhilton.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/michaeldouglas__oPt.jpg
Is that Michael Douglas?
Looks like him. Incidentally, he did share his money with CZJ…
Man, following the female sexual imperative. I was raised by women who never shut the fuck up about the need to have a family, have children. Made me so damn angry. So yes I followed the damn female imperative in my twenties till I grew a pair and pulled the plug. Now rebalanced some stuff so the female imperative is not tugging around my neck. It is something to watch though, and I also want to stay true to a non-monagamous lifestyle. Don’t need that much variety but without it, life just becomes black and white. Really loses excitement and can almost seem not worth living. So yeah, you gotta do what you gotta do, and we are mammals, and just like the politics discussed here, there is a certain natural law in politics and sexuality, then a created morality, which has some value but ultimately you have to pay respect to the natural order of things whatever morality people have dreamt up.
I agree with your post. But I think women who want a family are not crazy. It doesn’t anger me at all. It’s biology. Those women are the good ones you know. Most men here are angry with women, or better said society and how it changes the gender dynamics but wouldn’t mind playing provider if that also meant that their woman would be loyal, loving for the children, caring for you, spending energy to stay attractive. That is the irony. Since women nowadays care more for them selves, we don’t care anymore about them so much of wanting to commit to them. And that is a shame. For them.
I’ve worked at a bar were some 50 year olds came to visit me often. Had to listen to hours of endless stories about exes, toyboys, stories about their pets, complaints about men wanting young women.
http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/life/why-women-lose-the-dating-game-20120421-1xdn0
This happens with modern women. Their own fault.
Something that always strikes me is how there is not a single woman I regret fucking. The women I could have fucked and didn’t through some misguided sense of ethics will haunt me until the day I die. And I’m in the hundreds notch-wise, 44 married, kids.
You’re basically correct bro.
Yes, the girls I could have fucked but didn’t are also on my retina. Forever.
I had a time that when I got an indicator of interest (srry about the pua lingo) and then I was like so amazed how a girl flirted with me. Did nothing with it, to later think about what could have be.
Yo learn from it. But the only lesson really important is: be hungry. See a chick worth fucking: approach. I now don’t give a fuck anymore about rejection. Abundance mentality is king. But those years from 20-25… I wished I was more relaxed back then. But it doesn’t matter. I still date girls in their early twenties, 7,8 years younger than I am.
I’ve got a friend like Rick – a born natural!
He never had problems seducing women all over the world. Like Rick, he has got a dark side and the women loved that about him – he is ruthless, extremely self-confident and sharp with his words.
I observed him telling a blonde German girl that he met 10 minutes ago in a club in Prague (who was already sitting on his lap) that she can’t leave with her friends (her friends wanted to leave), as he still needs to see how she looks like nude!
Back then I thought that she would slap him…how wrong I was!
At the end of the night he was slapping a specific part of her body…
He was never faithful though…he always used to cheat on his girlfriends, even the ones that he initially described as his “dream girl”.
He is now in a committed relationship and thinks about the next steps…Guess how this will play out?
The grass is always greener on the other side.
Public Service Presentation:
0:33 – Short term reaction is decrease in sexual activity
Lol. If the man had game it would lead to dread and jealousy.
The biggest sign of game is a man not needing to find excuses to enjoy some nice piece of booty. My grandpa would check young chicks often and my grandma would joke about him straining his neck from all those young ladies passing by.
Do you really believe a woman will let her husband – time after time – check out other women without reprisal.
Well, not all the time. But if a girl goes into overdrive everytime I even linger at a girl I wouldn’t LTR her in the first place. I knew girls like that.
I once had a girl I would tease by saying how I saw a hot girl at a party and was going to hit on her or telling her “look at that girl, do you think she is hot ? ” . She got catty, but then we had crazy sex and she would do anything to please me. I would call her at 1 AM tell her to come at my place with no panties. I would write things on her body like [My name]’s slut right above her tailbone and she would go to college and hide it all day. I banged her with her flatmate in another room, and she would try to hold her voice while I pounded like crazy.
I set the frame from start by telling her to shave her pussy. When I came to her place I put my hand in her panties right away and noticed it wasn’t shaved. I immediately exited and did not answer for 2 days. Ever since then she did nothing but please me.
By contrast. I had a friend tell me that he knew a woman who tested her man by throwing coins on the rails of a railroad and telling him to pick them up. If he picked them up she kept them like a beta slave who gave her all the presents she wanted, while she would sometimes cheat. I couldn’t believe it. So I asked one very inexperienced male acquaintance, “If a girl threw coins on the railroad and told you to pick them up, would you do it ? “. He said yes. I couldn’t believe it ! Of course I schooled him and explained him that that is a shit-test and women like men with spines.
Anyway by contrasting these 2 stories you can see what I think. When a woman tells you “OMG How dare you look at other women ! ” and slaps you, something is wrong with your frame. I set the frame right away and tease women by telling them things like ” I would hit on that girl, do you think she is hot ? ” . It’s an effective way of screening. Some women get mad as shit but still fuck afterwards. Some try to get back at me by trying to prove “oh how equal they are ! ” by telling me things like “Isn’t that guy there hot ? I want to fuck him ! ” . In those cases I tell them like sure go for him. But it brakes their mind. Anyway, I don’t stick with women who don’t submit to me like dirty sluts these days.
I had one relationship with an inexperienced girl who was not very sexual, like she didn’t even masturbate at all (but she still loved sex with me, mostly because of the intimacy). Those are rare exception where I don’t go as hard on them. Those relationships resemble highschool sweethearts and I can afford to act like a lovable goof, give them presents be all “luv you bb xoxo”. I had a relationship like that and it was beautiful, but the girl didn’t let me do dirty things with her.
Outside of those relationships I screen for girls who don’t have that GRRRL power shit and I train them like kittens, it’s a thing of mine.
Now, I don’t know how a marriage would work, but if the girl goes too crazy with the “OMG you checked another girl” and “no sex tonight” I would be out quicker than a muslim out of a pork farm.
Any man that let’s women pull the “no sex tonight” and “you sleep on the couch tonight” shit deserves to have his balls cut.
Set the frame right away and if she smells another woman’s vagina scent anywhere near you she will go in overdrive to please you (and you don’t need to actually cheat, just make her think you could).
While I agree marriage is a beast I haven’t dealt with, if I ever get married it is with a woman who loves to be submissive and goes crazy if she sees other women around me.
I had girls who knew I had girls on the side and they didn’t care. In fact, some asked what they were like and I could tell them. Their pussy went wet as hell, needless to say. While you don’t have to be as extreme as me, a little goes along the way.
My ideal relationship looks like this :
http://img13.deviantart.net/9825/i/2013/114/5/4/keira_knightley_____collar_and_chain_leash_by_nancygagged-d62wd4b.jpg
Meanwhile losers let their woman act like this:
That is an extreme example. But if men let woman get away with “no sex tonight” bullshit it might eventually escalate to slaps and beatings. It’s a real thing. If you don’t step your foot down and discipline your woman or leave her, you deserve what you get.
A little goes a long way.
I’ve had women denying me sex.
One just used it as a shittest. “You are not getting any tonight”.
Response from me: “You can do that, but if that would continue I will get it elsewhere REALLY fast. Endresult: fixed the situation.
With my longest LTR. She wanted to sleep over. And the first time she didn’t want to have sex. I let her. Of course I was angry for her shitty reason. The second time she did it, I kicked her out at 4 am.
Would do it again in a heartbeat. You got to train women like dogs. Operant conditioning.
Same thoughts.
I have no shame saying women should be trained like dogs. In fact since women are more evolved so I expect more discipline from them then animals.
It’s funny how feminists would find this offensive while the trope of strong independent women “training” her husband is everywhere from TV shows and commercials to cosmo magazines.
It’s all a shit test mate.
The joke, “your neck is straining,” is reprisal. It’s uncouth to make a scene of admiring another person in front of one’s spouse.
However, if anyone ever divorced someone because ‘their husband checked out too many women” then the person bringing about the divorce is an idiot.
There are many things that count as cheating, checking people out has never been cheating. Even flirting rarely breaks the boundaries into cheating, especially innocuous flirting with random strangers unlikely to be seen again.
If a husband flirted and checked other women out everyday for the rest of his marriage yet never passed those boundaries, he would be a loyal husband.
It’s just especially rude to do it in front of the partner.
This is pure gold!
It’s not so much that I can’t pair bond as it is the foreknowledge that the first time she lays down an ultimatum (and I’ve never been in a relationship with a girl that didn’t) I know that I’m going to laugh, walk out the door, and start talking to the first attractive woman I see. Most guys don’t have this mentality, sure, but it seems to me to be entirely distinct from pair bonding.
Of course it affects you, and mostly negatively. It’s like giving into sugary foods three times a day, or any other unhealthy vice.
My take on marriage: About 5-10% of marriages are truly good and will go for the long term. The rest will stay together for varying periods of time but eventually both parties will grow bored. Children are the best glue for a marriage. Once the kids are grown and gone, the relationship changes, usually for the worse.
Why would you even want to have a long-term relationship, you fool ?
…..I’m about to start insulting France again.
How’s your celibacy going?
77th week.
You’ll be a wizard soon.
http://i.imgur.com/VhzJL.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/rSUlyvM.jpg?1
I ain’t no virgin.
I know. But it’s the same thing with celibacy.
If you don’t have sex for 30 years you gain super-powers.
I hope so. I don’t do onanism either so I have a strong mana bonus.
I have to mix elements from my past sex life and make it sound recent to avoid raising suspicion.
I want to make a cartoon called Onan the Barbarian.
Will it be anything like Korgoth of Barbaria ?
Onan against the Sea men.
Onan fights the Hy-Men.
Onan and Phimosis.
Don’t google Phimosis.
I didn’t… I figured it was NSFW
The fact that that show was reported as picked up and wasn’t pissed me off so bad…
genius !
I see nothing wrong with Rick’s Lifestyle, shit that’s pretty much my future. But without that marrying bullshit.
I don’t see how becoming homosexual follows from that. May be what happens to some, but such generalizations likely ignore the intricacies of individual stories.
Not all highly promiscuous persons will engage in direct homosexual intercourse but they all exhibit homosexual tendencies, such us: not wanting children, hating the opposite sex, cheating and leading a hedonistic life style in general.
Your ideas remind me of a guy who used to comment on my site.
Nice try feminist.
Infiltrate ROK and convince men that all male-only spaces are gay.
You gotta try harder Sarkeesian.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-VOWf-8wZUQ8/Vs_ShvA07eI/AAAAAAAAHv8/xkyhCN7whpQ/w640-h400-p-k/shlomo-iconcur-iknowthatfeel-goymask.jpg
yes, male only spaces and having sex with multiple women makes you a total poof….let me log on to ROK and let them know.
So…by wanting to bang women…I’m really wanting to bang men….
Even if that were true, his preaching would hardly change anything about that.
yes, your desire to hang out with men and talk to them as friends and to have sex with women proves, conclusively, that you were shot to death in a night club in Orlando. My only question is how the fuck you are commenting
I’m a ninja. I escaped by distracting the shooter with a shadow clone while climbing out an air vent on the ceiling.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/451ed93c11d8b331f8b1376f08b25b1b33c0cf0dcd31c6f8d12ccac21c8777db.jpg
Most people think that was just an old video game. In reality, it was a recounting of my first mission.
Correct. That five floor temple was really a bitch.
Eh, they made it difficult for the video game. If it’s as easy as it was in real life, nobody would have played it.
This is what trying to come to the ROK meetups without attracting feminists was like.
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/GAyn70cqggI/maxresdefault.jpg
https://thegameage.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/ninja-gaiden-nes-ryu-girl-cutscene.png?w=549
I thought they did better with your second mission though:
Looks nice.
Was this arcade or SNES ?
SNES, Hagane, one of the hardest games for the system.
Is it harder than Ninja Gaiden or Ghost ‘ n ‘ Goblins on NES ?
Is it playable ?
I can barely make it halfway in the first Ninja Gaiden.
The speedrun is actually the most accurate depiction of the real life events they’re (loosely) based off of.
Ninja Gaiden pisses me off….a game based on me that even I can’t beat. Fuck those guys!
YES!
Here is an accurate portrayal of how Roosh escaped harassment after getting doxed.
Playable maybe a bit harder than Ninja Gaiden, I would say since Ghosts n Goblins requires you to play through twice to beat it and that it is not broken (unlike some games), that it is the hardest.
Yeah, I felt that the only part they didn’t nail was how you dispatched the leader at the end, really that was more like this:
Gotta try it.
I have been looking into hard games recently
Ninja Gaiden and Ghosts’n’Goblins are excellent.
I also recently replaid Abe’s Odysee which seemed really hard when I was younger, but doesn’t seem so hard these days.
I like finding hard but decent old school games.
Then there is crazy new stuff, like Japanese bullet hell games and newer arcade stuff.
are you telling me that castlevanya wasn’t a totally realistic depiction?
Actually more like this :
https://youtu.be/mBc3YtO5vIU?t=5000
I’m a ninja…not a mythical monster hunter.
Contra was.
And the way I snuck to a Roosh lecture looked like this.
On the bullet hell, the Touhou Project is up to at least 14 main titles now.
NES – Athena, Conan, Demon Sword, Jackie Chan Action Kung Fu, Shadow of the Ninja.
SNES – Arcus Odyssey, Blackthorne, GunForce, Imperium, Majyuuou (King of Demons), Metal Warriors, Psycho Dream.
PS1/2 – Einhander, Lode Runner the Legend Returns, ODT, Alien Hominid, Shinobi, Mark of Kri.
More modern – Demon Souls/Dark Souls, Armored Core series, Operation Flashpoint series, Dragons Dogma, Natural Doctrine, Strider series, XCOM series.
Just a few off the top of my head.
Nice. I will save the list and try them out.
I have heard some of them on this list.
The latest hard game I played was Hotline Miami 2 in hard mode. Unfortunately the game is hard for the wrong reasons and is in my opinion inferior to the first part. It isn’t extremely good neither as an action nor puzzle game, slight disappoint.
I want to dig into Demon Souls, Armored Core and X-COM specifically.
I tried playing the original X-COM in DOS-box but it was so-so. I saw why people would like the game but it didn’t captivate me enough to really go deep with it. It was the age showing to a degree. I saw the newer ones though and I really want to try it.
Snobs on boards keep talking about these new realistic historical strategy games like Victoria or Heart of Iron, but that is not my thing to be honest.
EEISSS
Loved that game in the 80s.
I’ll be ready for you next time.
Nothing wrong with hanging out in the pub with all other men. Getting together behind closed doors or in secret is a different matter.
So the ROK meetups would have been gay because people wanted to hide behind closed doors from feminists ?
Canceling them was even more gay!
don’t bother. really. this will wind up like trying to itch under a cast.
WTF.
I can imagine that after a time, you want to try new things, but never the complete opposite.
Maybe after 10 years you become a rough-fucker like Rocco Sifredi.
no…according to his thinking the only way to avoid being a homosexual is to stop thinking all of your faggot thoughts that race through your head every minute of every day, get married to a virgin and have a bunch of kids and cut yourself everytime you want to bang a dude……
Because, that’s normal right…….
This is what I assume is behind his logic.
Careful, he might think this is a confession.
well, he is already sure that male only groups are all a bunch of sword swallowers.
He mentioned the masons ya know…the funny thing is all the masons I have ever known were just decent guys with a wife and kids who were fucking thrilled to have one night a week where they got out of the house and had drinks with their buddies.
I don’t know if there is a world conspiracy going on with those guys but if there is, as far as I can tell, it involves getting away from your wife and kids, getting drunk as hell and talking about all the women you would totally fuck if you weren’t married.
Also, possibly, golf.
I thought about becoming a Mason. But my dislike for any form of fixed association with a group keeps me from it.
I feel the same way. I don’t do group play. But my cousin is one. He is fucking hilarious. He is a member of the local republican club, a mason, on a softball league, a dart league….he has a wife and three daughters and he will pretty much do anything to have a night out.
Once I asked him why he joined the republican club. He said they meet in the volunteer fire station every week. They have a keg there. All his buddies from high school joined. He went on to say that the damn democrat club meets on the same night otherwise he would join that too.
One man with three females in the house? Yeah, I’d be as social as possible as well after that.
4. a wife and 3 daughters. I swear if there were 7 political parties that met on 7 days of the week he would get passionate about all of them fast
Holy shit! Yeah, time to get the hell out of Dodge on the nightly. Fuck that.
I see your “sword swallowing” and much as a few days past, I now raise the stakes by bananas:
Masons here I all damned leftists. And any remotely important French politician is surrounded by them since Napoleon.
But I think I already told you that.
yeah. I mean I don’t really know much about them other than what my cousin and his buddies tell me. Essentially they are writing shit off on charity and getting the fuck out of the house one night a week. I am sure there are more political aspects of it, but for a lot of people it is just a club to hang out in.
I think I know her.
It might vary depending on which loge, but here their goal are essentially those of the Enlightenment. Creating an “enlighted” rootless traditionless individual, freeing women and fags, and abolishing borders.
They have a radio show on sunday morning, which I listen while driving to church.
yeah, like I said some of them are surely out there for political reasons. But a lot, especially here, seem to just be interested in getting together, having drinks with other guys, networking with local businesses (remember, my family is in a town with like 500 people and I am pretty sure I am related to all of them in some way) and, most importantly, getting away from the wife and kids. I don’t think they take it very seriously.
A good for instance, this same cousin joined the country republicans who meet weekly. Mother fucker has never registered to vote in his life. They go, have a few points of whatever, he rolls his eyes through it, and then they play pool and drink beer for 3 hours.
Also, the sad truth is that most churches, secret societies, and political parties are mostly populated by people just looking for a group to belong to.
Some people just like to hang out with a group.
If she’d either just kneel or turn around, I might be able to identify her for certain. Didn’t get a good look at her face ‘cuz there was all this stuff on it at the time.
Discussing with him is useless. It’s like if I discussed with my 68 year old grandpa that religions, especially islam is wrong (He is muslim). And that he went to the mosque every friday since he was 13 year old, was completely senseless.
I guess all male porn stars are now homosexuals?
wonka knows
Hefner, (the man in the top picture) pays a bevy of whores $2000 a week to be his girlfriends and have sex with him every Wednesday and Friday. He uses Viagra and watches male gay porn to stay erect while as many as ten concubines mount him in succession. The other girls simulate lesbian sex to arouse him.
you get this from all your time hanging in the grotto faggot?
It’s from Jill Anne Spaulding’s book “Upstairs.”
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Jill-Ann-Upstairs-Spaulding/dp/1589611713
Was it you who reported my post?
I don’t know who this girl is but I don’t want to read her book.
Some spurned cunt with a grudge to bear no doubt.
Tell all books by women about how successful men who are surrounded by gorgeous women are really secret fags don’t interest me.
My moderate success looks like homelessness to the success that the heff has had and women have told all sorts of lies about me based on my withholding attention.
If I know nothing else in this world, if I even doubt my own name or gravity, even when I am senile and in the throws of fucking Alzheimer’s I will still know that when a girl writes a negative tell all book about a famous and powerful man she is totally full of shit.
Don’t trust these hoes.
AWALT.
Seriously, is this the site where you come to hear that a legend like Hugh Heffner is really a secret faggot who watches a lot of gay porn and that we know because one of the many women he used to fuck but no longer does wrote a book slandering him?
What’s next? Is he going to tell us that Roosh is a homosexual because he believes that rape should be legal and that he knows this because he read it a jezebel.
Talk about lack of fucking credibility.
Women can not lie, they are too pretty for that.
Feminists can, though.
$5 she complains how one successful dude after another pumped and dumped her. Oh, and don’t forget the chapter where she was either raped or almost raped at a party or ugly old exec.
Sir I would not take that bet. However, I might be willing to pay someone 5 bucks to go through the book and prove the point….I certainly am not reading the tripe.
Raped by a powerful, misogynistic, tall, dark, rich executive who was a part-time actor and a photomodel.
Neither would I. Unless someone paid me very lucratively.
If you stare at the sun for too long you get blinded, if listen to loud music for too long you get deafened. If you have too much sex your hormone receptors get worn out so you look for a different stimulation. Promiscuity leads to homosexuality, homosexuality leads to impotence.
It’s all logical! She’s not lying.
Nah, she winds up with a has been who ticks off one of the three you mentioned. Oh, and there’s a dog, because she decided that she didn’t want to have children that would end up like her or Hef.
I think she’s laying a lot.
ok faggot.
With her ankles getting more airtime than a 747.
Even more airtime than the presidential debate – each viewer counts separate.
If you stay too long on the internet you become an autist.
Your comments are proof of that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z23Gzp0RTOg
Following your logic, a monogamous, married man who has a lot of sex with just his wife will turn gay as well.
No, it’s only if the women are different, you see. As soon as you have sex with only one woman, as soon as you enter the confines of marriage the desire for homosexuality goes away. Marriage has this magical ability of keeping homosexuality at bay.
Fascinating, fascinating…..but wait. What about those married men who later turn gay? I thought I was safe!!!
Either this fellow is a feminist or he is one of those weird Jack Chick Christians who thinks watching porn makes you gay
Third option is troll. But I’m not sure considering some of the shit he’s posted before.
Heh, don’t forget this…
In that scenario, I choose death.
That’s what I was thinking.
We already had an Orthodox Christian i the comment sections in a previous article. He was telling us that homosexuals have sex for purposes other than procreation and therefore all sex that does not lead to procreation is homosexual.
If you are not having sex for making babies you are a homo. Go figure.
Think it was the same guy.
They were cheating WITH THEIR MIND. It is said in the bible. If you even THINK about sinning, you are basically sinning already. Those men must be sinning with their mind A LOT. Thinking about having sex with all those blondes, petties, brunettes, asians, tanned , … etc. while his faithful 560 lbs wife is taking care of his 3 kids. The UNGRATEFUL SINNER.
How could you sin in your mind, when your beauty of wife is cooking triple Crisco-dipped chiken-wings for you ?
No, it was another. Unless he changed his name and avatar. Although, all these hyper-church type people sound the same.
If you’re married to the same woman for a long time without children and have lots of sex with her only, yes, eventually the act will become monotonous, repetitive and simply boring. It will be an act of mutual masturbation, nothing more. Homosexuality is a mutual masturbation as there is no exchange of energies.
On the other hand, if you have children, you will simply not have enough time nor the energy to indulge in frequent intercourse.
Holy fuck guys. Check my comments in this section. I predicted he will say just this.
The Churchian types are incorrigible.
Heh, excellent foresight SRF
What, like this?
…
That’s the silliest shit I’ve ever heard. Children prevent homosexuality? Dude, serious question: Who’s your source and how much does he charge? I need to get a hit of whatever you’re on.
Didn’t know Churchill was a cross-dresser.
A hit? Nah, I need a lifetime’s supply of whatever that is.
I think I know that chick….
Triggered.
Well I don’t want to be fucked up for life. I just want to see the world as he sees it. I bet the snozberries taste like snozberries.
Yes, do you want to see her again ?
Probably the same people who’ll tell you if you jack off too much you get hair on the palm of your hand.
Depends….you want to your old buddy again?
I have no intention to harm you, but if you endanger my safe space, I will.
But we’d have to keep an eye out for the vicious Wangdoodles, Hornswogglers, and Snozzwangers and rotten Vermicious Knids
You could never harm me and if need be, I’ll pull out your buddy’s wife as well.
I could call some back up too. I do not wish for war, but I do not fear it either.
It’s called Jesus. And as soon as you let him in your heart you won’t need drugs anymore.
http://eye.swfchan.com/flash.asp?id=170705&n=i+love+jesus.swf
Well those are 2 seriously shitty choices.
This picture is true, however, there’s a reason for that. Most wives/GFs have “boundaries” in the bedroom. If you put up a barrier, the guy, eventually, is going to become obsessed with trying it. Doesn’t matter if it’s anal, facial, ATM, whatever. Too much porn, guys see other guys doing it and want to do it themselves as well.
Doesn’t help that a lot of the women putting up these boundaries are also fat, disgusting pigs. Add porn to that mix and you have a guy bored out of his fucking mind from too much missionary sex with a manatee.
What you are using is not called logic.
Your hormone receptors do not get worn out, they can get desensitized for a time.
What you are saying is the same as saying people who commute in sedan cars will automatically be pushed to do so in golf carts or a Segway or jet packs…
There is a level where you get bored but I am not really looking for the thrill in sex. When it comes to women it’s just really the win, making the sale, whatever you want to call it.
I think most guys at it long enough know it’s really about winning the challenge of getting in her panties that is the big deal.
What fucking planet do you live on (or, lack of fucking..planet)?
That is one cool ass family.
Lacredibitlity
Snozberries. Heh!
Just think. She lost weight to fit into that dress so she could look her best on her special day.
The smell.
Except that gay man have 10 times more sex than heteros.
again you are wrong. Why would you not be able to have sex when you have children?
True you get used to quality pretty fast.
Better dead than wed.
Obviously you don’t have kids. At least, none that have been raised in the house with you.
Hey Dirk, I have 3 children in da house. My statement holds true.
If this is not the case in your relationship you may want to increase your alpha-dominant-asshole vibes and tune down the beta-provider-friendzone vibes.
Hef is so old he wears a diaper. Did you still believe he’s super stud?
Rick is going to be looking for a new job. He might be a psychopath but not everybody at that company is. The single women he doesn’t want to fuck will team up with the white knights and he will be “layed off” soon enough. In fact I’m not sure how he hasn’t been fired already. the shit storm of leaving your wife for the intern, holy Jesus. This man is a legend, a degenerate, but none the less a legend.
I’m working still at the same company 8yrs after doing not too different antics…
I’m still working with some people who are friends of my the latest now ex I snagged off the company floor. Actually her I dumped for another only about 2 yrs ago.
Anyway, the way you do it is low level game on all females in positions of power ;-). Women are epic backstabbers and if they think they have a 5% chance they can snag you, they will stay nice and compliant.
Office wars require game to be successful. If you don’t make the HR girl blush and lose composure at the talk when you did bad, your ass is grass.
But yeah frame, game, and just no apologies. That’s how to roll.
Should I put a ring on her finger, or turn her face into a toaster strudel?
Tough call….
I will be using this line sir. Thank you.
Great article Troy. There is a sort of inevitable schism in game, and it will be entirely focused around the desired end for the man, in its initial stages. Although some will chalk it up to b.s., I think it is part of genetic strategy, and an incompatibility on a social level of these desired ends.
I’ve thought this for a long time, and it’s one of the reasons I’ve been extremely hesitant to dive into pick-up – I know I’ll change, and I’m not sure if it will be for better or for worse, overall.
I see they reused the image of the girl with lacy white panties. I swear they’re just teasing me now.
I think what is important is to take the idea of better and worse out of your mind and just think about what you want for your life.
Better and worse are just handcuffs people will try to shackle you with. Your only real question should be “how do I want my life to turn out” and then reverse engineer a path to get there.
I have always known I wouldn’t want to be married or have kids. My reverse engineering had me career focused and having sex with many anonymous partners.
I didn’t go in blind and that is why I am not miserable.
You make an excellent point. Indeed, one of the things I must fix is how much self agency I have. A constant worry in the back of my head is “What will my (family/parents/friends) think? I worry about consequences years in advance, and it might be hurting me. A healthy healthy amount of screwing around aside, I’ve always known I desired monogamous relationships and procreation, but I lack the skills to get whatever I want. I’ve always had sparks of Alpha inspiration, even in my prepubescent days, but I am not consistent. Unfortunately, I don’t fully trust anyone I know to give me advice, so I guess there’s a lot of trial and error in my future. I’m just glad I’ve discovered sites like this, so I’m not totally groping in the dark.
You know, when I was young….like a lot of people….the grown ups always used to ask me what I want to be when I grow up. What a stupid question? I want to be a pro short stop or getting a blowjob from twins…where do I go in the job fair to sign up for the job where you test mute 16 year old twins blow job skills…oh that’s not a job.
The question they should ask is not what you want to be but rather How do you want to live.
Find someone who lives a life that approximates the life you would like to have and see how he got it. Figure out how to create your life the way you want it to be. If you want to be a family man, create a model for yourself and stop at nothing until you get there. If you want to be a single guy your whole life totally free of consequence figure that out. Want to work with your hands? Want to wear a suit? Want to drive fast cars? Figure out how you want to live and then start hewing a path there
As for worrying what other people think….that is a prison of your own making and you are both prisoner and warden. Open the doors and let yourself out. This isn’t the dress rehearsal. You are, at this very fucking moment, dying. Tick tock.
Thanks lolknee. I do wear a suit at least once a week! BTW, I’ve always thought the “What do you want to be when you grow up question” was retarded, too. I remember being 7 years old and thinking something along the lines of, “How could I possibly know what I want to be, you patronizing old windbag? I’m freaking seven”.
Heh, I wanted to become an astronaut hehe.
But accidents etc made me unfit for being a fighter pilot etc and I would not have been accepted. But then I discovered computers at age 7 or so, decided that’s what I wanted to do and now I’m a software developer etc. some people do know ;-).
But what lolknee said is pure gold. For a long time I wanted to muck around with servers and so on, then I had enough and now I have no idea what the actual servers I use look like.
Deciding how you want to live important, but to this I would add that it’s also important to clearly decide if you want to live just for yourself or if you want to leave a footprint on this world and humanity of ours.
I met a Japanese girl and got to know her enough to decide if I get married and have kids I want a Japanese wife.
Now I’m married to a Japanese wife, like 6 years later or so.
Haha, but still, the idea of a 7 year old describing what he wants to be when he grows up can at least be humorous.
When I was in first grade, I insisted without exception that I wanted to be a Blade Runner. My teacher thought that was awesome and she later lent me some Sherlock Holmes videos to watch with my dad.
The Game does change how you approach sexual relationships. Even if you are monogamous with an LTR or even a wife, you are always scoping out the market and looking for options. Someone who is constantly shopping is going to occasionally buy an item or two even if it wasn’t their desire or in their budget. Maybe after years you can compartmentalize it, but most guys I know who spent years honing their craft just can’t give it up. They can make it go dormant for awhile, but it always pops back up. That makes sense, because, especially for Betas, you pretty much have to rewire how your brain works to learn game. There is no way that a guy who went from being passive, nice, sincere, and genuine to being confident, forward, brusk, and vague can just turn it off.
That said, I’ve had a few women who were being deeply honest at the time that thought their husbands were cheating be sort of dismissive about it. One said, “I knew I was getting the man I wanted and I also knew I wasn’t going to be the pretty little thing my entire life…he just better not bring that whore home!” I think most former PU guys will find if they wife-up that she will have some tolerance for the occasional fling as long as you keep your dick clean, keep the affair quiet, and don’t throw it in her face.
Yeah sure but still on a deep level you still have some thought of dropping a gene bomb in that 20something you are boning on the side.
Upvote for truth.
Very well said, the odd very quiet affair. As you said once you’ve spent years honing your skills – which I did – it goes dormant but always pops up again! No point hating it or feeling awkward when it does just roll with it. It’s a hard-won asset, you can’t not use that stuff. Is a bit torturous for me I sort of got to about 60% of the honing I was going for before it last went dormant.
There also must be some subconscious connection humans have because just a few weeks ago I found myself day dreaming about a one night stand tryst I had on vacation about five years ago. We swapped phone numbers and never really spoke after parting ways that morning. But low and behold, a few days later I get a text from that number saying “hey remember (insert city)”. What are the chances of a coincidence? I day dream about what was truly a night of passion and after about five years of no communication she reaches out to me out of the blue. This world really does have a layer about it that we just do not understand. (And yes she volunteered to come visit me).
wow
I turned 30 in April, and have yet to have a LTR. My notch count is high, but at this point I consider myself a lost cause for anything substantial in the relationship realm. I think there are some developmental skills that come from having a LTR that I missed out on, and at 30 it’s probably too late for me.
I don’t believe that you are too old for a LTR. But you will fail at the first one pretty quickly probably. Not because you are some kind of loser, but just because to get better at something you will fail. Just like you will get rejected when you approach.
The most important thing I learned was that when a woman wants “The talk” that you have to speak out clear expectations and boundaries. (Example: I don’t want you going out alone or with your girlfriends late at night, I won’t forgive violent behavior, I won’t allow you lying about birthcontrol or using sex as a bargainingtool)
If you agree on having a relationship you can’t, after a couple of months tell her you hate her smoking, or that she should lose weight when she didn’t gain it. Most important thing after the terms are set is to serve as some kind of sheriff and hold the frame. Women are like children, they will test how far they can deviate from the rules. And for the rest: dreadgame is necessary. She has to see you getting attention from other women so she can sooth her sexual imperative before looking at more attractive specimens. You’ll have a hard time when her SMV is higher than yours.
https://therationalmale.com/2016/06/06/the-talk/
Or you could just say “fck it” and keep her as a fuckbuddy as long as you can. (Probably not longer than 6 months though, a woman will give up if you won’t commit most of the times)
Thanks for that!
I think you should have a go at it. Find a nice enough but not bar hopping 20-25 yo girl who comes from a good background and try to stick with her ;-).
I think if it still feels good after say 6 months or so you are doing great.
There’s several kinds of women, but the two important ones for this are the bar/club scene girls, even plain looking, which you don’t want. They seem fun, and they are unless you live with them or are forced to deal with their shit.
Then the kind you do want. Comes from a good family, parents still married, has siblings, hobbies, and doesn’t go out much. Very few if any past boyfriends.
Very solid advice for the LTR bit. I’m a bit on the fence about the suitability part actually myself…
Long story short I bedded 2-3 new girls a month, sometimes a week for a fairly long time.
Then I tried LTR, first one was like 3 yrs but I never felt committed or that it was good enough to consider it where I’d stay, plus I span plates at the same time.
Then I fucked around again, then a single mom for longer than I should have in retrospect. 7 yrs.
Now at almost 40 I bagged my virginal wife, who is now pregnant and I’m having a hard time with it mentally sometimes, like for me over time girls became like weather, some girls were seasons… Some where short glimpses of sunlight or a rolling thunderstorm passing.
I’m going to try to stick to her of course but I’m not sure it will work as a marital bliss anyway, for very long.
I’m putting this more pessimistically slanted than the whole picture would be but I think you get the point.
So you fucked up. A pregnant wife. That is paying the bills for 18 years. Better you and than me. You had a good thing going for yourself. 2-3 new girls a month? That is very good. I can’t imagine any man wanting a LTR if he had that much fresh sex.
Why the baby? You must have buckled for her demands.
Watch out for the bataization process. It is real
http://www.personalpowermeditation.com/forum/social-dynamics/the-betaization-process/
Nah, I did on purpose, hehe. I want the baby, that’s why. I wanted my own.
The thing is my wife knows what I’m like and she basically says so long as she doesn’t hear about what I do with other girls it doesn’t bother her. I told her before we got married I’m not very likely to not stick my dick into other girls… It just happens… Haha.
Anyway my point was more about this idea of marital monogamous bliss being not possible. I think I can keep the wife reasonably happy and all that jazz but it won’t be the same as the ideal humpadelic bliss of everything combined into one woman.
I’m not worried about her wanting to divorce me, rather about me getting too bored with baby and domestic stuff and then just leaving.
Sounds like you need to get snipped. But if you want that baby and she is so loyal to you, maybe you should be loyal to her then. I don’t care about cheating with a girlfriend. But you must have good reasons though.
Not sure what your “snipped” is meant to mean in this case.
My wife is loyal to me because I’m what she wants. We didn’t include fidelity in our vows for example, so I’m not really cheating. I think your comment about reasons is strange…
For me things with girls mostly happen out of opportunity.
I will stay with my wife, of course, wouldn’t have married her otherwise because I want to raise my child properly.
But the idea of staying always true to one woman and all that to me is really not something that even biologically feels like it could work reliably.
Girls come on to me all the time, so I don’t need to do anything proactive to have situations with opportunities.
Word of warning, you might can keep it secret from her… However, can they keep it secret is the big question.
Ignorance is bliss until someone decides to destroy the illusion.
If any of those tricks got knocked up, his fun and games would be over.
I’ve only been reading this site for about a year and a half. But it’s truly amazing how much ROK (and Roosh) has changed in that relatively short amount of time. It’s gone from full-on promoting casual sex indefinitely to advocating for family and traditional values. Even Troy Francis, player extraordinaire, seems to be questioning his choices. The metamorphosis of the manosphere is an interesting phenomenon to behold.
In the end, however, I think we are all aware deep down that the writing is on the wall. The damage is too far spread. Even if every male of my generation became masculine, there just aren’t enough traditional women to go around in the west. Things will never return to the way they were fifty years ago. Birth control has seen to that.
Everything gets old after so much, even chasing women. I don’t believe any man ever finds “The One”. I believe we just age, get tired, and pick one.
I think it’s more the dark triad characteristics than the notch count, and the fact that he was dumb enough to marry a 36 year old when he can bed 20 year olds, that led to the quick cheating.
I’m very glad that the author opened this topic up. It’s worth talking about and reading through the comments has been enlightening. Folks here are across the spectrum in what they believe. I’ve given this quite a bit of reflection and research myself.
Most everyone here knows that the belief in the difficulty for women to pair bond through sex comes from actual studies done. No studies have been done for men and it has generally been assumed that men are the same way. Some justify this by saying that the notch count just needs to be larger, whereas women start deteriorating in their ability at about the third notch, perhaps men are at double digits or the hundreds before they start losing that bonding ability. I completely disagree with this line of reasoning.
I don’t think men bond with women through sex. Certainly there is an element of enjoyment, there is an element of joy in being intimate with a woman that perhaps you feel you love, but I truly don’t think that this is a bonding experience.
As very layman evidence of this I would point out that our community has all but proved the existence of Alpha Widows, women who long for the best sexual experience of their life. This makes sense because to a woman sex and emotion are intertwined.
Most men I converse with, and this counts for myself as well, recall the days that they felt most cared for by another woman as a measurement of what they long for. I have heard and read many stories about women that are fantastic in bed, but that is all they are and while men appreciate that, they focus more on the girl’s dysfunctions in her ability to appreciate and respect the man that she is with. The hardest breakups for men are not the ones where the woman shows a lack of sexual interest, they are the ones where the woman shows a lack of respect and caring.
Essentially men create bonds with women if they feel she is worthy of being bonded to – the sum of her character. This still leaves room for the idea that men are different from other men. Some men know they want to accomplish that bond quickly and others want to wait, or perhaps never have that bond. Desire for sex is not desire for bonding.
Many men commenting here are indicating that they are beyond the ability to bond because their many casual relationships don’t bear fruit in that direction. Well duh, most women are not worthy of being bonded to. I truly believe it is a matter of how selective a man is. The more selective he is the more likely he will not bond. A man in tune with Neo-Masculine truths will have an even harder time.
Speaking for myself, even with a high notch count, I know I am perfectly capable of bonding. With some difficulty I could resign myself to monogamy, but only if the woman I decided to be with was truly worthy and kept my attention in other ways. Otherwise, I will find contentment elsewhere in life and satisfy my urges when need be.
In short, men are capable of bonding at any point in their life with a quality woman, it’s instinct and knowledge that prevents it, not a high notch count.
Interesting, and it rings true to me in some way.
Mostly saying this because I have been in LTRs and most of them with numbers on the side and only partially committed because the girls were not worth it.
Then I met my now wife, and I had some hesitation in the beginning but then quickly none.
Edit to add not sure about the monogamy part though lol.
Lol, I can understand the hesitation at monogamy. Truthfully I have never understood why men only look at the patriarchy that existed in the 50s when monogamy was the norm and come to believe that this is the building block of civilization.
Instead why not look at the patriarchy of Rome or other ancient cultures? Marriage was still the bedrock of civilization, but love and sex had nothing to do with marriage, except to father children, marriages were arranged between fathers. Some men grew to love their wives and were more devoted, still most married because of political and financial expediency and after children sex became moot. Many men were away from their families for years in the service of the Republic or the Empire.
As such, Men had free access to slaves, brothels were a state institution, and mistresses were the norm. Most women simply didn’t care, as long as they had children. This is the type of patriarchy we really should be striving towards, but most men I speak to disagree.
I can dig that style, sounds reasonable.
I think what men guarantee in marriage is not monogamy sexually, rather more financially.
I think men get damaged but women more so. I think we would all be better off with morality like 100 years ago.
Yes.
The only thing that doing lots of different women at the same time got me was a quick adrenaline shot and ego boost. I was up to 50+ girls at age 25 which is a lot for me and especially compared to my friends
I’m now 27 and engaged to a very pretty 22 y.o. Japanese. I could continue to fuck everything in sight but I’ve set my priorities straight: I’ve enjoyed the hump scene long enough to know there’s no real light at the end of that tunnel. It gets every bit as routine as the monogamous lifestyle; only difference is that with the latter, there’s fulfillment in the form of love and progeny.
Remember, your apettite to fuck new women won’t ever go away. Is forgoing family and traditional values worth 15 min of gratification? That question can only be answered by you. For me, the answer is no longer yes — BUT! It’s because I’ve been there done that to be able to now say no looking into the rearview. Much different for guys that do monogamy out of default and who will always have the inkling to find out what else lies beyond
Will you still enjoy her when she’s 40? It’s easy to love a twenty-two year old.
Will have to wait 18 years to answer that definitively. Whay I think is by that time my priorities have changed and evolved so much that it’s no longer about the youth and beauty as it is about familiarity and closeness. I could be way way off.
How old are you?
27
Japanese 40yo look better than white 25yo lol. Heck my mother in law who’s 65 looks better than a lot of the twenty something I see around.
Its easy to be infatuated with and lust after a 22 year old. Love requires a connection that goes beyond the superficial.
What man needs long term relationships to begin with?
The question posed in the headline is null in my opinion because men don’t have the same innate desire for constant companionship the way women do.
It’s the same as asking, “Can feminism damage a lesbian’s ability to have long term relationships with men?”
In my teens and 20s I was somewhat of a “player”. Didn’t think of myself that way, just did what I had to do.
Trust me, it gets old and as you get older, you want to do more fulfilling things in your life. Family, friends, a purposeful career, etc. It does indeed damage your ability to care and love for someone long term, that’s why if you’ve been leading a player lifestyle, take a break from it and have more meaningful long term relationships.
Also, a lot of people don’t know this, but chasing women all the time and wanting to be a player sometimes can be connected to self esteem issues and insecurity. You’re trying so hard to prove your manhood by your notch count and seeking validation from women – and filling this void within yourself that you don’t approve of yourself internally. I felt insecurities before and self esteem issues and once I realized that and improved myself, I felt less need to chase women and just pursued anyone that came across my path.
Good luck fellas
This is so true.
Banging lots of women is a sign of masculinity in a culture that has very few.
Just like the beta-schlubs get brainwashed into submission, so do the ultra-PUAs believing they can fill that hole with 100s of women.
That’s life though, it’s a process and you learn from the mistakes (hopefully) but you’re irreversibly damaged either way.
I was glad to see this early on and have supportive network of friends and family who kept me somewhat balanced.
Not everyone has that, so they need to take that journey by themselves and hopefully come out stronger.
Accepting the reasoning in this article leads to the obvious question: how many notches should one aim for if the eventual goal is a LTR and marriage? If you only have one notch, you’re likely to be too inexperienced to both ensure that you have made the best choice and skillfully ‘game’ your wife so that divorce does not eventuate; on the other hand 100 notches would by most standards make you a ‘player’ and possibly too used to variety to be able to settle…so what number between those two extremes should one aim for? Some have said 25 is a good number to gain sufficient experience; what do others here think?
(for the record I’m on two notches, and I don’t for a moment consider this enough)
I would say it depends on where you are and what culture you plan to marry a girl from.
If you marry a virgin Christian who doesn’t watch tv or use Facebook I would think game doesn’t matter so much if your firm on principles.
But add FB and TV and all the other stuff, I think you will need some practice.
Not sure if there is a number, but you should feel quite confident and be able to stare down a shit test without flinching, then you’re good.
That’s a good point, culture no doubt plays a big role in how much game is required, as well as what type of game…
In some ways the question I posed is an absurd one to which there can be no universal answer – each man learns at different rates, has different experiences to draw from, is exposed to a different cultural and generational milieux, etc.
You can assume that I’m not from a traditional religious culture from the fact that I even asked this question. As has been repeatedly noted by others here, the cultural expectation that one should be promiscuous and eschew marriage or LTRs when one is young seems to be a Western phenomenon tied to modern feminism, which has spread and continues to spread elsewhere.
Although the answer will be an individual one, differing from one man to another, I’m still interested to know if there is an average tipping point, where one has enough experience to have effective relationships with (Western) women, but not so much experience as to be irreparably jaded.
If you mean average western women? Uhh the number won’t matter because they are broken. Basically any girl who’s had more than one or two short casual relationships is beyond salvation IMO.
If you want to marry and have a family and not get divorce raped etc, you have to accept that you are hunting for something rare. And as such you need to have a plan and backup plan at the very least.
But still it’s down to you, you have to be confident, how many it takes is however many you need. I mean holding frame and being secure. Same with shit tests, you have to experience them and learn how to swat them away efficiently.
I’m thinking at least close to 10 or just above? Depends a bit, you can learn a LOT if you do a trial LTR with a whacky bitch hehe, that’s the intensive course.
The whole irony of the “PUA” and “player” lifestyle is that it actually makes things that much harder overall. Why? It goes back the 80% of women chase the top 20% of guys scenario. Instead of glamorizing or encouraging men to be “players”, men AND women should be encouraged from a religious moral perspective to save sex until AFTER marriage. OOOOOHhhh but whomever would suggest a thing is such a conservative religious nutcase. Well, it’s that type of environment that made it easier for the other 80% of men to find a woman and get married. IF women and men both had those values, then the top 20% of men would find their ONE wife. IF women refused to give out sex unless they were married first, it would force the top 20% of men to get married. Thus, the playing field would level out and the other 80% of men could find their ONE wife.
When you have this PUA “get laid” culture lifestyle mentality, you just end up creating a polygamist culture where only 20% of the men get the attractive women. Can’t have it both ways.
And today, even the top 20% or top 5% of men have girlfriends/wives that had already been f***cked by dozens of other guys prior. Because promiscuity today has been accepted as normal, you can assume that any girl you get with has already been screwed by a bunch of other guys since she was in high school, or even junior high in most cases. A 100 years ago, a female like that would simply have been considered a whore and any man would have been embarrassed to be with a woman that had already had sex a bunch of other guys in town, no matter how hot she looked. I’ve seen escorts that were hot looking, but I sure as hell would never date one or marry one. Today’s women are not a lot better than escorts. They’ve screwed dozens of men and did it for free. If men from 100 years ago could see into the future, they’d laugh at us. Seeing some guy chasing around a female that has already given her body away to 25 other guys in her early lifetime makes men look like complete idiots today.
A 100 years ago, if the big stud in town had gotten married to a beautiful woman, all the men in that town would laugh at that guy if the big stud’s wife had already been f**cked by 25 other guys prior to their marriage. What a joke society has become today.
awww shit on that.
Life is short, meaningless and absurdly silly. Have some fun.
The ironic thing is, with the increased promiscuity, men are having LESS sex overall, however with more partners. Get married, and you will have it 5-6 nights a week with none of the costs of dating, disease, or gaming involved.
Eventually after having going through enough women with as little emotional attachment as possible you reach a limit. You know when you reach that limit when your life becomes a cycle revolving around them and you adjust your lifestyle just so you can be with them. You forsake yourself a bit to adapt to a woman’s societal expectations. Then, who are you? Do your thing, and if a quality woman comes along, great. If not, so what? There are plenty of things you can achieve for yourself.
You give off a little of yourself in every girl you slept with. It’s obvious that one day you would had give so much that there will be nothing to give to the next girl.
Marriage means giving everything of yourself to your wife, and later, to your children. If you’re not willing to give everything, then do not marry. But even if you want, the more girls you fucked, the less you have to offer to your wife.
Think seriously about it before commit to a woman.
Nowadays we talk a lot about marriage, but there was a time that this matter was not taken so serious by most men. Have you ever thought about why feminists exist? Well, the answer is simple: The man is the head of the family, and the family is the root of society. Because our ancestors failed as husbands and fathers, they failed as heads of the family. Probably, in the past, husbands betraying their wives was more common than the inverse. That’s why feminists exist.
That’s the size of the responsability that you have as a man. If you want a family, than be the type man who can have a family.
We seem to be engaged in a contradiction.
On this site I have seen recommended that men develop Game, depedestalize women, maintain emotional detachment, with the ultimate benefit of maximizing genital sneeze count without constraint or obligation. On the same web site, in this thread, we are told of how such success make a man less fit for marriage. But, refraining from game would seem to reek of the beta male, a personage repeatedly disparaged in many threads on this web site.
We are reduced to a ‘war of all against all’, with the ‘all’ being all men against all women. We are told of how we are now at the mercy of global elites, against whom we can do nothing. That seems to suggest we all remove ourselves from the world entirely.
Perhaps there is a strategy being proposed here on how to approach a solution to the problem, but I’m not seeing it.
It sort of irritates me that all these male catering websites , aka playboy etc keep classifying men as alpha and beta . Alphas fuck more women hence they are more cool . Betas can’t get enough women cause they are uncool . So lemme guess , if for example a dude in this thread has a hook up rate of 500 per month he is more alpha and masculine than General Patton , Fedor Emelianenko , Bruce Lee , Chuck Norrris , because they didn’t act like another AIDS afflicted man slut Charlie Sheen ? Or is Vlad Putin a pussy because he doesn’t hang out in the playboy mansion ? My opinion is when you use success with fucking enough women as a credential it makes you look like a man -slut , aka a bitch with a dick who is a slave to his balls . Being straight is not just about fucking women . Being a straight man is about being strong upright dude with a spine , who provides for his family , is a good responsible father and contributes to the society , with something other than carbon-dioxide , piss , shit and semen .
I apologize for the hate rant fellow brothers . But it’s sad that the liberal , sexually revolutionized bitchass media deliberately skewered the true image of a man . I hope my sons will grow up in a society where men are more about their honor and spirit and unwavering militant brotherhood and less about dick , balls and pussy .
The difference in thinking between Alpha and Beta is light years apart. Anyone can fuck and their are plenty of women down for it ….so your “let me guess” is more of a failure of yourself or you would not be spouting off like a white knight. Chicks enjoy it and will mentally sort out men regardless of how you think the world should be.
You sound like a mute relentless follower of a binary system of alpha and beta , which is a new – fawned notion of narcissism based on the number of women you get to get to fuck . And I am happy to say ,that instead of hooking up with random sluts I got myself a nice caring girlfriend, and am utilizing my time in more constructive ways rather than craving for pussy. See bro , that’s the problem. The liberals and feminists keep steam rolling us with the help of modern media and all we dudes do is destroy our unity , keep throwing verbal shit at each other thanks to retarded opinions created from the liberal media and then complain why we aren’t strong anymore .
Woah. I mean that’s fuckin hilarious dude . I get to be called a white knight because I call for more fraternity among men and deprioritize getting laid ? Look bro , i love pussy too . But when I allow myself be controlled by it like a sex robot it doesn’t feel so good . And you want to see a good example of what fraternity can do ? Check out the Russian Ultras . Or the Italian Mafia . All based on brotherhood . Remember in Godfather , how Don Corleone used to de prioritize sex himself ? Trying reading some Mario Puzo again . And you will forget this alpha – beta non-sense
Chicks always have expectations taller than the whole Empire State Building bro . And they are pretty fucking wrong most of the time . Truth is they don’t really know what they want . My best guess is that a human like organism with androgynous characteristics that can switch from overtly male to overtly female behavior according to her whims lol . For eg. Be like James Bond in the parties ,and be a Kim Kardashian while accompanying her to the mall ROFL .
Casual sex is rampant in many societies. There is, in truth, no such thing as “casual” sex, because of the depth of intimacy involved in the sexual relationship.
An analogy is instructive here. If we take a sticky note and attach it to a piece of paper, it will adhere. If we remove it, it will leave behind a small amount of residue; the longer it remains, the more residue is left. If we take that note and stick it to several places repeatedly, it will leave residue everywhere we stick it, and it will eventually lose its ability to adhere to anything. This is much like what happens to us when we engage in “casual” sex.
Each time we leave a sexual relationship, we leave a part of ourselves behind. The longer the relationship has gone on, the more we leave behind, and the more we lose of ourselves. As we go from partner to partner, we continue to lose a tiny bit of ourselves each time, and eventually we may lose our ability to form a lasting sexual relationship at all. The sexual relationship is so strong and so intimate that we cannot enter into it casually, no matter how easy it might seem.
sounds like a case of cronic oneitis you have there.
How many species mate for life?
Troy my brother you got his wrong. The dark triad is not a “damage” it is perk and women know it. It makes us stronger, better men. Get the false societal programming out of your head as soon as possible. You will thank me for it.
Now you write: “But it is these same characteristics that mark him as unsuitable for monogamy or family life.”
-> This AGAIN if outdated and false social programming. Why on earth would a wife + kids require monogamy *FROM THE MAN*?
The whole idea of marriage (from a mans point of view) is to lock a woman down so she will only have sex with me and i can be certain the kids are mine. So far so good.
But why would i want to bind my own sex drive to her?
Your friend did EVERYTHING perfectly right…except this; he forgot to mention to his wife that he will still have sex with other girl whenever he wants. Chances are she would have married him anyways. Most women have no problem with something like this (no joke) as long as its clear from the go AND it is not made all too public.
Aha stupid rich people.
I think you guys should not beat yourselves up so much. I think the Cats Genre up in my age group are clear indicators of the notch count of these women (except the ugs)… they just gave up and have that powerful vibrator nearby – Roosh on this same homepage has his article on Women Wasting Men’s Time. Read it and absolve.
For you noobs who still have ‘feelings’, this below is a paste of a post off Reddit that rivets me. Its a poignant view from a high-notch woman. We talk about Daddy Issues of women, quite true. But honorable ROKs starting out non-Triad, are the guys she’s talking about. THAT is the thing to watch for in checking yourself out, and the high-notch guys probably saw this and moved their chess pieces – logically – forward
Again don’t beat yourselves up. Here’s the piece from the high notch woman:
“EX
means: Thanks for the Experience. Our time has Expired. Now Exit my life.”
Be cautious EXploiting men who are feeling how they’re supposed to
feel. They don’t EXactly live in the moment of your EXuberance with you. They
won’t understand your need to EXpress truth that varies. They
were made by another to love their mother. They weren’t made with you in
mind.
You are
gaming men so you’re not playing on their side. Neither are they but they’re
playing for keeps. If you don’t EXplain to victims of your EXcitement how truth
varies and why, they might EXit the game when you call time. They might
just forget to leave you behind. I’m pretty sure this happens all the time. Why
play fast and loose with a mother’s Passion if you’re not prepared to be a
Crime.
When the Game is over, you want to live, get on with your life. I sympathise.
You should know why your EX might want to die. Stalkers were made another to love
their mother; to suffer, to serve, to sacrifice for life. Men have been dying
to impress for a long time.
Men who
die for love will kill for love. In this Game, people can die. It’s guaranteed
when playing with kamikaze values as inEXplicable as seppaku (suicide for
failing to die). Hard to win like that but men aren’t raised with winning in
mind. They don’t value the win so much as the fight. Men won’t
value your cavalier deceit, they’re not as fast and loose with the truth. They were
made to be EXploited by others, not by you. Make them EX with caution. Stalkers
don’t play like you. The Game is not over for them. They’re in overtime.
You can play with men like toys but mothers don’t break boys for your
amusement. You can pick them up, say they’re The One, but they weren’t made for
that kind of use. They weren’t made for you. Men who need to love were broken
for love and bred with love. They live and die and fight for the One love. They
weren’t broken for you to break. I’m just saying…I’m not giving you advice.
I’m just saying…men are made to love for life.
note especially how ‘truth varies’ and we are dopes to her ‘cavalier deceit’
it means the hourglass is running, no matter how fucking ‘close’ you think you are in an LTR
Ever hear people say ‘Whats the best birth control? A: (a lot of) children’
Maybe its the same phenomena here.
I think the biggest challenge for older guys like me is that i) we actually seemed to live happily for years or even decades, with reasonable radar up, and ii) for many guys your penis performs when your heart and mind are in sync
But ROK and other sites and the multigenerational degeneration of women is the real deal – adapt or blueballs. Harder (actually less hard…) for the old guys, but you guys still with High T and frame practice can make it through and lock down Red Pill.
What i learned is that women do learn from men and they do end up imitating them. In fact women are more prone to imitating men than even men imitate men (check pride of beta males avoiding being an alpha male)
I suppose that was what religion was for so people didn’t go around making sex into some kind of addiction and art that you should take it seriously in fact the bond between the covenant and covetee may in fact be the main basis of christianity
Mainly due to the laws giving so much leninecy and favoritism to women marriage is not something any sane and happening man should get involved with
LEGALISTIC MARRIAGE big difference
It’s like the fruit of wisdom at some point you will eat it and you can no longer feel the bliss of innocence no more
Once a player, forever a player!
A man has Multiple choices
You can become *Evil*
You can become Balanced
And You can become a altruistic generous man, that knows the evil of this world and chooses not to be corrupted by it. A good man knows how this world works but he still does good actions.
If You let yourself get swallowed by the darkness, You will not come back.
Most men that turned evil, are just too scared of being the minority and are too weak to recover from the “damage” life did them.
You can Bang 1000 women. It Will not make you a bad man. It’s not what you do, it’s how you do it.
I have a lot of girls and they like me because I am assertive and I make them feel good, please them sexually and emotionally.
But if you “game” a girl. Fuck her and never call her again, and repeat this 100 times, then yes, you won’t be able to commit to someone, ever.
So true. This is my own experience.
Holy shit, ROK is going vanilla! You’re starting to sound like Cosmopolitan, and Troy Francis for worse! I had already noticed it in some of the new and obviously younger writers, but this… It breaks my heart. Please, stay the ruthless bastards that you were, it’s far more entertaining. Best regards, yours truly.
Meh. If you want a wife and kids later, you’ll be fine, it just has to be much later, if you are a player, and don’t wife up 36 and post-Wall. It’s very difficult to give up hot, young, willing, nubile pussy when it’s dangling itself in front of you. So if you must, when you are 40, wife up 20-25 and put her into production. Best move is to find a European chick who doesn’t mind if you have some side pieces as long as you keep it on the down low and she gets the ‘title’.
Perhaps the same same traits simultaneously make you attractive to women, likely to sleep around and unlikely to have stable relationships.
The fucking around doesn’t break you, you were already broken.
You can never have too much game. Isn’t it a part of the lifestyle you’ve adopted? “Game” is just the tools you get to bag the girl, but their effectiveness relies on the inner-you that you’ve developed and cultivated through masculine principles. So it’s still you inside, and she’s gotta deal with it, just as you deal with relationship building based on your masculine expressions. Does that makes sense, or am I too stoned?
In my 20s I was into long term relationships. In my 30s, where is no good women in the west so I only had short term relationships. Now I’m nearly 40, I have to admit I want something serious but find it hard to settle down.
Human beings are creatures of habit, I have a long term relationship background so the ground work is there, I just need to reprogram myself which takes effort.
Eastern women are great, it’s best to date real women and settle down there if you really want too. I find most people that don’t want to settle down due to the trauma of their parents splitting up and watching their hoe of a mum bringing home random guys which just makes their trauma even worth.