234 thoughts on “13 Alternatives To Attending College Or University”

1. The Apprentice School; make money while learning, guaranteed job upon graduation. http://www.as.edu

2. #1Obama’s eldest daughter is taking a year off Harvard. True, she can afford to do so, and being the daughter of a president, she already has an edge, but one cannot fail to miss the point.
   #3 is already starting to be a good option for younger people. Medecins Sans Frontieres comes to mind.

3. I think volunteering is a great idea if you know what skills you’re looking to develop. If you want to learn the in’s and out’s of how to build your own house, volunteer to help out with Habitat for Humanity. I was too young to be allowed to help back in the day when my church was heavily involved in it, but the groups are friendly and will take just about anyone willing to work hard.
   The living without money thing sounds kind of fun, but isn’t feasible for my current situation. If I just needed to provide food and shelter for myself, sure.

4. As a Navy vet, I wholeheartedly disagree with going into the Army. Unless you plan to un-cuck the military and help root out the political correctness that has utterly corrupted all levels of the military forces.
   The US military is one of the most Politically Correct organizations on the planet.
   And if you’re boots-on-the-ground, you might die for a stupid politician in DC.
   Merchant Marines, trade schools, and in the meantime, get fit, get weapons training and survival skills, start making alliances with real Patriots to protect you and your own.

   1. Agreed. Not only do you risk your life, health, and safety, but the globalists will use you as pawns and toss you to any country of the world they wish to play out a silly game while you must follow orders, no matter how immoral or wrong. Hell, if you join today, you could very well be involved in domestic surveillance and police state activities. It’s bad enough what the US has done most recently in Iraq but remember we ALMOST went to war in Syria on the same side as the supposed IS IS rebels. Is that what you want to be a part of?
      And while you can’t really “blame” an individual soldier for a terist attack, it was the US invasions of the mid east which created Al Q and IS. The next time there is an attack where innocent children are murdered, if I was part of that invasion, I would be thinking well shit, my following orders led to all this. Kind of like how the Nazis following orders to invade Mother Russia led to Germany later being raped and pillaged by millions of Ivans. Actions have reactions.
      But probably the worst part of joining such an institution is the brainwashing that you will incur. You will be told that your corrupt, feminist state is something you must unquestioningly die for, and you will be literally helping the beast that is destroying freedom and western civilization in the name of globalism and feminism.
      Then of course you must survive the experimental and established drugs they will administer to you (mass vaccines are typically given to troops–with who knows what in it), and the mental anguish. Do you really want to live the rest of your life mentally conflicted about how you murdered some patriarchal poor tribal father because Hillary Clinton told you to?
      If you want to learn some survival skills or how to shoot a gun, there are ways of doing that without signing up for the military.

      1. Thank you for such an insight into military life. I’ve always been somewhat aware brainwashing occurred. But it’s nice to hear it from someone that actually lived to tell the tale. Kudos

   2. You literally have to do feminist/SJW online interactive sexual harassment training quarterly. Also you have to do in live with a instructor.
      Your command can hold you back from doing training and your mission if you don’t do they training.
      You think false sexual harassment charges are bad in the civilian world. I’ve known guys who have had charges filed because they looked at a chick the wrong way. You touch someone with or without consent and you could potentially be charged with a sex crime that is a career ender
      However we are told that Afghans and other mongrels can rape little boys thats ok because its their culture.

      1. Its interesting how prison life is the opposite of real life. You can bugger someone without consent and probably won’t face charges. In fact you’ll probably be rewarded with hand slaps and cheeky smirks from the guards…

         1. You would know

         2. Don’t worry Chip, maybe next time you can ask them to use Vaseline.

         3. Thats your experience.
            Dont try to turn ot around pb me..

   3. As an Air Force vet, sadly I have to agree with you.

      1. I agree, no female wants to be on the flight line in the middle of summer or winter when they can be in a heated/air conditioned office.

         1. Heated and air conditioned? Women are so indecisive!

      2. As a Star Fox vet, I too must agree.

         1. star fox?

         2. As the head of Star Trek Entreprise I disrespectfully agree.

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         4. Well, I am Donkey Kong! What now? Come at me, bro!

         5. You can be Slippy!

         6. I’ll put down Pokeman Go for that I’m in! When do I start?

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         8. First you have to learn how to do a barrel roll!

         9. Lol!!

         10. since when Fox have legs?
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   4. As a Marine Corps veteran, I generally agree with this, but I would not completely advise against the Army or Marine Corps, provided that you understand what you’re getting in to. As you note, the military is PC central, and has been for a long time.
      That said though, to me any combat arms MOS is still largely preferable for one reason – females simply aren’t present. Despite what the fantasy-land progs would have you believe, no large amount of women are cut out for these jobs on a physical level, and as a result, they will never be present in the numbers they are elsewhere.
      So, if you go in to a combat arms specialty, you will be in a largely male environment. Plus, combat is the ultimate red pill environment where all PC bullshit goes right out the window.
      Now, you make an excellent point about the fact that you could get killed for president Hillary’s dumb ideas. All men should consider this. But, remember that the flip side is that there’s only one place to get the type of experience you get in combat – combat itself. So there is a trade off to be made. Weapons training is great, but realize that real life practical application takes your abilities out of the training realm and adds a new dimension to what you actually know and are capable of.
      For what its worth, I got my experience fighting in Iraq with one hand tied to my balls by dumb fuck politicians who wouldn’t know combat if my bayonet was sticking in their face. I have several friends who did not come back, and many others who are fucked up physically or mentally, and I escaped a couple of close calls myself. But even with all that, I still think that my combat experience was one of the most valuable things I have ever lived through, and would do it again precisely because I know what I gained from it.
      I would never make the military a career. But I could still with a good conscience advise men to put their head down and endure PC bullshit for four years to learn something valuable, then come out and get all the benefits of that knowledge, plus the VA benefits, which are quite generous (aside from their fucked up health care).
      Again, it is up to individuals to decide if that trade-off is worth it, but I would add one more thing – the Navy, Air Force and Coast Guard are not necessarily safe places where you will not be killed enforcing the dumb-fuck policies of some oval office retard. You can be mortared on some FOB, or killed by an Al Hassan on your base stateside. So make sure you consider the military carefully whatever you do.

      1. Navy, Coast Guard, or USAF working on aircraft or systems with your hands. Women weed themselves out, hate laborious work and/or suck at using hand tools. All have far better base locations than USMC/Army and nearly give you an associate’s degree upon completion of training. Plus as warfare goes to drones etc they have the funding. Most Marines you meet do four years and quit at E3, but theyll talk shit all day.

      2. Thanks for the honest take. I would just highlight to those young bucks the part about many of your friends NOT being so lucky, and getting their “combat expierence” but dying in the soil of foreign lands, or being physically and/or psychological and emotionally traumatized for life.
         I think that we will soon see plenty of opportunity for 4G warfare combat experience on the streets of the United States and Europe. I’d tell the kids who are really chomping at the bit to go sign up with militias or go to E Europe and do some refugee-hunting. I know it ain’t US Marine Corps, but for me the downside is too great at this juncture.
         Now, if Trump begins pulling troops home and closing down bases all over the world? Go for it, come back and suit up to protect true Americans and true patriots.
         Just be ready to disobey commands in order to protect the Constitution. Put Christ and the Constitution before your commanders. Your oath is first and foremost to the US Constitution. 99% of military men and women ignore that every day. Paychecks, mortgages, “just following orders”.
         And our enemies are already here, stateside. No need to waste time and money getting shipped off to Afghanistan while they rape the girl next door.

      3. Also aren’t you available for the GI Bill and VA housing loan…

         1. Yup, and I have used both to great advantage.

   5. Can any Army guy here confirm? I am giving serious thought to going in as a warrant officer to fly helicopters.

      1. I’m in the army, and being a warrant officer is a good gig. If you are aviation, do it. However, everyone else is correct in saying that it has become very liberal. I regret the time commitment I signed for.

         1. Thanks for reply. Can you expand as to why the rest of it sucks but that Aviation is legit?

         2. You mainly fly in aviation, so you don’t have to deal with alot of PC. Most aviation officers are there because they want to be, not because they were placed there. And it is a skill that you can transfer out, compared to the rest of the Army. The rest of the army they keep slackers in for no good reason, or they cram useless training until you are sick of it every month

         3. You also do more cool stuff compared to the rest of the army. and its all on you too. You screw up, you can die.

   6. Glad you said this. I would have said that joining the army is probably worse than going to prison.
      I also don’t think that an environment where you are expected to unquestionably follow orders is conducive to learning critical red pill thinking ways.

5. I’ve just thrown a cat amongst the feminists over at the guardian. It is amusing to watch them absolutely lose their sanity when you remind them that 35+ year old men have little interest in having babies with 35+ year old women.. Enjoy!
   https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/25/turning-back-biological-clock-comes-at-price-egg-freezing#comment-79826807

   1. What’s your name in that comments section?
      EDIT: Nevermind. Had to scroll up a bit to find the beginning of the thread.

      1. 12660870

         1. They have already started moderating out my comments.. Haha, a bit of reality clearly hurts.

         2. Eh, so what? It is no loss.
            The white-knight cucks on there who were trying to rebutt you are truly pathetic schmucks.

         3. “12660870
            7h ago
            16 17
            This is going to end badly..
            It relies heavily on the premise of 35+ year old men wanting to settle down and have children with 35+ year old women. Reality on the other hand is that if you aren’t in ‘that’ relationship by about 30, the odds are stacked well against you and those odds are in decline.
            Men by 35 tend to still want to date women in their 20’s, they also are largely in a position where they can achieve this with relative ease. If you believe those men are going to be rushing to settle down with the 35+ year old version of yourself, think again.
            Feminism. Selling you false hope since 1960..”
            Well done, your post is till up!

   2. 12660870 -> LiviaDrusilla 30m ago
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      One can only wonder what red pill truth went against The Narrative lol

      1. Right? I was thinking the exact same thing. Someone got triggered.

      2. I’ve since been blocked from posting thanks to that little gem..
         The comment went alone the lines of calling the feminist out for being the sad bitter one in the equation. The moderators really didn’t like that.

         1. lol they called us older men bitter too. Double standards.

         2. My fav rebuttal was this one:
            “Who wants to ‘settle down’ with a saddo who is threatened by women his own age?”
            So now men who don’t want to date aging, fat women past their prime are “threatened” by a Powerful Strong Lioness.

         3. lololol exactly. The “You can’t handle strong women/women your own age” argument. How about I don’t find strong women/women my own age attractive?

         4. You win some, you lose some. Oh well.

         5. I can’t handle women my own age. They are too fat, I literally cannot handle, pick up or encircle, because I physically can’t get around the girth

         6. Those “love” handles though 😉

         7. By “threatened”, I mean threatened by a thirty something harridan who can’t cook, clean, keep a budget, sew, have any knowledge of house maintenance, show affection or gratitude, and who, for all this “strong and independent” poppycock, still probably depends on mommy and daddy both financially and emotionally. I sadly speak from experience.

         8. I don’t know that we are bitter. Cynical, maybe, but not bitter.

         9. “Handle ” them with a Forklift, maybe

         10. We all know that younger women want older men. Just remember your high school/college years. All the discussions with girls about how young guys are, like, so totally dumb and immature and older guys are , like, true gentlemen. Now that I’m older, those same young vixens also got old. Now I get to enjoy how the roles change.

         11. To be fair, I do find overweight, aging, bitter women pretty threatening. Hence, I avoid them.

         12. They never realize that when they say “strong” we hear “bitter and difficult.”

         13. Heh. Too true. Although I give credit to the 2% or so of women who eat right, work out, and keep a nice figure after 35. But for the most part if you’re a guy over 35, you want at least a 10-year age difference buffer zone between you and your woman.

         14. I love when people accuse me of being cynical….as if it was unwarranted, as if my cynicism hasn’t been a shield to protect me and as if it hasn’t been an enormous asset.
             People often forget that at the end of the boy who cries wolf story, the wolf does actually come.
             It is only paranoia if people aren’t actually out to get you.

         15. This has been the case for a long time. If I had a nickel for every post 30 woman who treated the fact that I date mostly girls in their early and mid 30’s like I am somehow just too weak to deal with a “real woman” I would be a rich man.
             I know a couple and the girl is always mocking me. They are much younger than me, but still over 30. She always mocks me and says in a patronizing voice “oh, lolknee,you are sooooooooo good with children” and telling me I should “find someone with substance.”
             I just smile because I know two things. If her husband could he would trade lives with me so fast her head would spin and also if, while she was making fun of me for dating younger women, I pulled out my cock she wouldn’t think twice about sucking it right there.

         16. That is only hot so long as she has also been skewered by at least 200 cocks and yet still demand that their cunt, mouth and ass be treated like sacred temples.

         17. “just because you have bone hard calluses on your vagina from overuse doesn’t mean you are strong”

         18. Let some sad sap who thinks “I’m so lucky to have her!” after all three of her holes have been ripped apart by every race and religion innumerable times and now she needs a poor bastard to serve as a bill-splitter after she has become comfortably numb “handle” her. I’ll kindly pass.

         19. Lol. This!

         20. What’s really satisfying is when you learn that some ex of yours is getting married and you see the posed and staged photos of her and the beta schlub she got to commit. When just a year earlier she was slobbing your knob and doing all kinds of nasty things for you, not she’s going to be some poor sucker’s wifey lolz

         21. Well in A.V. Yader’s wisdom you contact homeboy and tell him “Sorry her anus is so loose!”.

         22. Thigh heft is real.

         23. Don’t get me wrong, I like thighs on a woman. But she better be like Brigitte Neilson in Red Sonja

   3. A cat? More like a plague infested rat.

      1. No shit. I love my cat, and my prior ones I had. They were cheap, required little attention, and didn’t talk back/talk first.

   4. You sir are one of the many heroes who make my day better whilst reading the Guardian. There’s a reason why people like you get the majority of recommendations.
      Thank you

   5. That was great! It should be every red pill man’s duty to troll those hags at least one a week (if not once a day).

6. There are fields one can learn by oneself such as maths or C++ programming but how about fields that require equipment and hands-on experience? Advanced Physics? Surgery? Materials Engineering? Organic Chemistry? Aeronautical Engineering?

   1. Well obviously some fields will require you going to college like many that you listed. That being said, there are a TON of skills you can learn without ever setting foot inside a classroom. I could have learned everything I got in my MBA by just browsing the internet, sad as that may be. I believe we are on the cusp of the college bubble bursting and hopefully it will cause the removal of a bunch of BS degrees and keep the ones where people truly need to go to college in order to be competent.

      1. Ditto. After I finished my MBA, my uncle asked me about it. My response was, “Eh, it was nothing I couldn’t have learned in 6 weeks at the library”.

         1. I learned a few things just by going on YouTube.

         2. The trick with an MBA is that if you do it at Yale or at the Wharton School you will meet people who will be big shots one day. If you are amiable and decent and have a good reputation, the value of the MBA comes when you are hanging out at the yale club with the new CEO of Cambells soup and he asks you if you want to run his new European office or whatever.

         3. I repaired my washing machine and dish washer thanks to YouTube.

7. Not all college is bad. Go for something in demand and go to community college first. I got out of a relatively conservative school in the South last year at the age of 30 and I’m a CPA now. I tried sales and I always hated what I was selling and don’t have the personality for it. I hiked the Appalachian Trail in my 20s and worked a bunch of shit jobs and did a year in the oil patch. I don’t really mind where I am now. My degree offers me a steady above average income and my 30k in student loans is more an annoyance rather than a constant curse. Of course if I could do it all over again I’d probably go into the trades, probably welding. The only resource I feel I lack now is time.

   1. I hear if you sacrifice female virgins to the Dark Lord, you can buy a few decades. The problem with this strategy, aside from being in league with evil, is the difficulty in finding a female virgin.

      1. Does it work with unicorns? That’ll be slightly easier to find.

         1. I tried it with midget amputees. Got nothing.

8. Find like-minded men to build a network of powerful and reliable tribe.
   Become really good a doing 1 trade : Plumber, Carpenter, Mechanic etc

9. I think college can work if the following conditions are met:
   1. Study useful stuff that will actually get you a job.
   2. Don’t take out 6 figures of debt.
   3. Socialize with people like you only.
   4. Learn a language so you can live and work abroad.
   Volunteering is stupid because it’s telegraphing to the world “look at me, I’m desperate enough to work for free”.. if you do it for credits, that’s fine.
   And DON’T stay at home after HS if possible … nothing undermines your image more than living with your parents.
   I had to move back for 6-7 months while I got my career in gear. I didn’t put myself back on the market till after I moved out.

   1. I think the volunteer thing can work IF you’re volunteering for the right places. I provided volunteering Habitat for Humanity below because you can feasibly learn the basics in plumbing, electrical work, and carpentry. Volunteering to pack boxes at the 2nd Harvest Food Bank? Yeah, not really developing any skills there.

   2. >And DON’T stay at home after HS if possible … nothing undermines your image more than living with your parents.
      Yes. The stigma is so strong that most women will accept no excuse about it.
      I had a friend who was living at home to take care of his elderly father. The guy was bringing in 80K at age 24 but women just didn’t believe that he wasn’t some degenerate NEET trying to trick them.

10. Would any of these apply to women at all? The “Bonus” as we know isn’t even an option of them, since it seldom (if ever) gets meted out…

11. Study petroleum engineering. If you are low on funds, start out at community college then transfer to a 4 year college. You will be hired when you are ready and make awesome money.
    Take a year off after graduation, go to Colombia and fuck as many women as possible.

    1. This was the career I was told by my guidance counselors I should pursue. It’s probably still a safe bet, but it’s a shrinking industry. I guess it should be fine for the next 30-40 years so if you’re thinking about it, go for it, but the petroleum industry over the long term is a dying field. Even putting aside peak oil issues, there are newer, cleaner, safer energy technologies that are the future, and oil will be a lesser part of our economy going forward.

       1. I know electric vehicles are still a bit of a niche industry, but there’s a chance are an alternative career.

          1. The Tesla Model S is the best selling full size luxury car in America, beating out Mercedes, BMW 7 series, and Lexus. I think as it becomes more mainstream and cheaper it will trickle down to your average car buyer. Or at least the upper-middle price range of buyer. The new Model 3 will be around $35,000, and should come with a government subsidy, since its purchase won’t require trillion dollar wars in the Mideast in order to use it properly.

          2. Can’t wait for utility vehicles to eventually go full electric, if they haven’t already.

          3. It looks like Tesla has one for $135,000 lol. SUV is where car companies make huge profits. I wonder how much of that is just gravy to subsidize their other operations. They don’t sell enough volume yet to be profitable.

          4. why? Electric cars arent green, they run on coal, natural gas or nuke energy

          5. Hopefully they get better mileage. If not, I’m sticking to gas or diesel. I’m not going for the green car thing, unless it’s actually a car painted Green Lantern green.

          6. electric cars wont work in the cities, will never be enough charging stations no matter what the media will tell you

          7. Not sure about other cities, but you are right about new York at least with reference to current infrastructure. But the idea that it will never change is wrong. Company I work for owns a bunch of underground parking garages and we are getting all sorts of incentives to add stations.
             Further, I have lived here my whole life and I know the location off hand of exactly 3 gas stations on the island of manhattan. That has never stopped people from diving. I suspect that in 10 years every gas station will have a speed charge station and most garages, both public and private, in the city will have one as well.
             With the cost of fuel and tax incentives figured in, the effective cost of an electric car is very appealing and they aren’t the wussy mobiles they were when it was just the prius.
             If Tesla does make a car for 35 the say spicy says above, I feel that you will see a shit load of them.
             Even the new taxi cabs in NYC are all hybrids. This thing has legs.

          8. It really doesnt. coal/gas/nuke are currently 86% of the energy mix for electricity generation:
             http://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=427&t=3
             Whats happening right now? The D’s are shutting down coal plants left and right. Coal is still 33% of the mix, how will we make up for this shortfall, not to mention increased demand if more people buy electric cars? Electric cars will never outsell cars with ICE in em

          9. outsell them? No. You are probably right on that score. I would be loath to buy one myself despite it being more cost effective for me in the long run. Mostly because I am a bit of a gear head. I wouldn’t even buy an automatic, much less an eclectic car.
             That said, the fact that they wont dominate the market doesn’t mean we won’t start seeing them in greater numbers. As I mentioned, all new NYC taxis are hybrids now. I suspect that in 5 years every taxi in new York will be hybrid. And as spicy mentioned, Tesla is grabbing a huge section of the luxury market.

          10. expect car battery theft from these cars to go up as more of these cars hit the road(its already a thing)
              look how expensive these car batteries are right now, even in ten yrs a new battery will still cost your a few thousand dollars
              http://www.plugincars.com/lithium-ion-battery-prices-drop-160-kwh-2025-123193.html
              upkeep on these cars as well as insurance is gonna be really expensive at a time whn people have less and less money to throw aroundd…

          11. Theft will always be a thing. I am sure you are right. And again, I totally agree that they will not overtake the standard combustion engine cars barring some really amazing technological leap which no one has imagined yet.
              That said, they are here to stay and are a fairly popular alternative in the city. My original point was just to say that it isn’t true that they are not feasible in a big city. Not feasible as the market leader sure, but I am pretty sure that soon, along with the taxis, the cop cars will go hybrid as well.
              I am waiting for a nuclear powered car. You need uranium to generate the 1.2 gigawatts necessary for the flux capacitor.

          12. haha- imagine? the entire car would have to be made of lead, what would the street weight of that car be?

          13. ole doc brown did it with a delorian….no need to lead.

       2. I think there’ll be a future for Jet A1 fuel for a long time to come as nothing electric comes close to the energy density required to fly airplanes & helicopters. If not from fossil sources then at least from syngas (synthetic oil from CO and H2)

          1. There will be petroleum engineers in 100 years the same way there are still cobblers and VHS salesmen. The difference is, do you want to be in a shrinking industry or a growing one?

          2. If that suddenly ran out and there was no replacement we’d be stuffed! Can make electric cars now with adequate performance but how else would we enjoy the lifestyle opportunities we get from Boeing and Airbus..

          3. Like I said above it can be made synthetically but of course this costs more than pumping it out of the ground ready-made.

       3. Nope, not dying. Peak oil was a myth. With fracking and horizontal drilling the USA now has the largest oil reserves in the world. Our country will have plenty of oil for the next 100-200 years. No technology has emerged that is as cheap per unit volume as oil and natural gas. Solar is a joke. Wind power is expensive and limited geographically.

          1. The US production of oil did indeed peak in the 1970s, and a refinery has not been built since then. Oil production in N.A. increased again post-2010 once the price got high enough that it was cost effective to remove the oil from non-traditional sources like tar sands, deep offshore wells, and deep fracking pits.
             https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MCRFPUS1&f=M
             I have a buddy who lives with a solar system and he doesn’t pay the power company a dime. The cost is going down every year, and while it’s not cost effective for me yet, and might not be in my lifetime, one day it will be. Honestly, when one looks at the secondary costs of burning fossil fuels (carcinogens released from burning, which lead to cancers and early deaths, and trillion dollar wars that must be undertaken every 10-15 years to maintain the supply), solar would be cheaper, but the political class freaks out with solar subsidies as “socialist” while bankers wars for oil and Exxon subsidies are “necessary to maintain American dominance”.
             There is a huge difference between “oil will still be used in 200 years” and “oil will still be our primary source of power in 200 years.”
             Hydroelectric dams are the cheapest current form of energy production, and their negative benefits are concentrated to a small geographic area.

          2. Not only that but the windmills they call wind turbines are not very efficient…this is supposed to be better: http://www.keanwindturbines.com/press/newsletter_1014.pdf

    2. Shit, you sound like my cousin. He did exactly that.

12. A smart man goes to university, then trades his learned knowledge and time for a salary. A smarter man learns that he can buy knowledge and time from someone else and leverage it to generate significantly more wealth for himself.
    Get into business, do it young. You can afford to fail a few times, but once you pick up the basics it’s not that difficult. Business buys you options and flexibility. You are no longer at the mercy of a job, that alone is priceless.

13. I like this article. It is nice that it isn’t just a “college is bad” but gives some advice on alternatives.
    I will say that college, like the alternatives, is a vehicle and how it is used is ultimately what matters.
    For instance, OP suggests taking a year off. I would suggest the same. I think that is a good idea. However, how do you USE your year off? Do you use it to make plans for the future, structure your life, contemplate your role in the universe, learn a skill or are you playing x box and jerking off in your moms basement.
    Your year off can be a monumentally important and definitional time in your life, but it can also be a colossal waste.
    I also feel the same with OP about military service. One of my big regrets was not enlisting for 2 years. But again, how do you use it?
    Do you use it to get physically and mentally stronger, to learn something interesting that you might want to put into civilian practice later on? Did you save your money so you have a nice little nut to get started with when you get out? Or did you spend 2 years fucking whores in Singapore and picking the easiest routes?
    For each of the options given here you can do this. Live without money for a year? Well, I mean, are you learning to live off the land or are you a bum?
    Explore the world? Well, did you learn anything about the world or were you just drunk in a bunch of places with funny accents?
    going to college is a lot like this. Did you go to a super expensive school, take a mountain of debt, go to a bunch of parties and dick your way through classes while playing beer pong and fucking drunk sloots? Well, that is dumb. You could have done the same thing in any major city and had no debt. However, did you make a critical assessment about what you will be studying, what kind of opportunities it will afford you, how much if any debt you will be carrying and how much you will make on average after? Did you decide you want a career that requires a college degree, go to a college you could afford or that gave you a scholarship, do your best to socialize and play some sports and have some fun but at the same time were a hard ass on yourself?
    I say this with all seriousness…there is exactly zero reasons to get anything less than an A in a college class. They are so fucking laughably easy.
    If you read every single bit of material, do every single assignment and make your grades in college your number one priority and graduate with more than 1 grade under an A then you have serious issues…especially now when you can easily go on rate my professors and make sure you aren’t taking a class with that one asshole professor.
    So I think these alternatives to college are great, as is college itself if used in a responsible and productive way. However, all 13 of these alternatives, just like college itself, can be fucked up and leave you totally screwed.

    1. Paragraphs, dude. Paragraphs.

       1. arg….it’s this new MS Edge browser. It keeps taking my paragraphs out.

    2. After graduating college, I ended up going into roofing. Coming to think about it, I would have still enlisted in the military, but I would have taken that one year after graduating high school off and would have gone straight into roofing before enlistment. After 12 years of school, the mind does get burned out. Plus, those of us who weren’t born well off can’t afford to just spend more time “studying” when we, by necessity, have to start being more productive.

       1. Hey, I am with you. After college I did a fellowship, then grad school for 3 more degrees and then another fellowship before becoming a prof. I was, essentially, in school from age 5-35 before I said fuck this and now I am on the corporate end of construction and property management. If I would have started this earlier I would be retired.

          1. Plus there’s the distractions, such as the partying and the drama. Fortunately, I did all of that in high school. It helped that I lived 10 minutes walking distance from Mexico in the good ole pre 9/11 days. An 18 year drinking age and pax ID checks are a nice incentive. As soon as I got to be 21 though, I no longer felt the need to party that much, other than the occasional rock bar.

          2. I also wish I hadn’t fallen for the con of it all, 8 years, two degrees, such a heap of.. I think the big thing is you have to really want to go to college/uni not as many of us experience be forced into it by parents or society.

          3. It is true. I really wanted it. I wanted the life of a professor. I imagined teaching 2 or 3 classes, summers off to travel, writing a book and maybe living in a nice little house with a garden in the back. I had some fucked up idealistic thoughts that turned out to be bullshit. rather than wallowing in it, I tossed off my entire life’s work and moved into something new. I have been successful at it and have never looked back, but I won’t deny that is was scary as shit and just as easily could have been a colossal failure. following your heart is important, but it is also important to realize when the road goes sour and know that you need to jump ship.

          4. Gees so we should probably be calling you Doctor.. I’m having a last crack at the moment of adjusting my skillset from the study for the modern era. Never aspired to the lofty heights of academia like you did, just wish I’d say just got one masters in a relevant area rather than two bachelors in a less relevant area. Or for that matter rather just banged more girls in my early twenties and studied later. Sounds like you absorbed the wrong programming at some early stage..

          5. Banging more women is always a noble goal. One thing I have learned though was that wishing the past was different is a dead end. As for academia being lofty .
             I did get some bad programming, but I came by it honestly. I don’t believe any of it was filled with malice, it just romanticized a profession which, by rights, ought to have been (and still is) a hobby.
             Constant skill set adjusting is good form! There is a big beautiful world out there primed to be bent over and fucked. If you pay attention to its cues, it will let you fuck it.

          6. Very nicely put, a big, beautiful world out there to be bent over and fucked.. Don’t think will be able to hold out the monogamy long term, couldn’t last time.. Hobby vs profession, have also been mentally stuffing certain activities into the former category. There are harmless hobbies that you can take up low stress like athletics, board games but there are also more life and death ones that need a certain seriousness about them such as motor racing and mountain climbing.

    3. This should be the top comment. This is the absolute truth. It all depends on what you are going to do with it. You can waste time at college, or you can waste it somewhere else. Being productive is something internal that you have to do yourself. It is not as simple as putting yourself in a different situation and expecting that alone to provide the catalyst. It has to come from within.

    4. Valid points….though I’d add about school.
       even if you are getting a required degree for a real job…..you are still surrounded by Liberal BS 24/7. that will wear on you and unless you are truly red pill hardened there is a good chance you will get infected to some degree or another.
       furthermore as the guy below me said school will burn you out….school is intentionally designed to wear down your body mind and soul via sheer boredom. and that is a factor….you say it is laughably easy to get A’s? guess what….its also more boring than watching paint dry. sure I could get an A in a watching paint dry class…..but to say there would be 0 side effects would be a lie
       school will regardless of your intentions potentially burn you badly. and it is a factor many overlook. school will do this far more than any of the other alternatives listed.
       for me….it got to the point where i paid someone to do my last few essays as quite frankly the mere thought of looking at a text book gave me a migraine. i still havent recovered even a year later.
       don’t overlook the school will burn you out and wear you down factor. there is a reason suicide hotlines and depression hotlines are plastered all over universities and a reason college kids arent exactly healthy in any sense of the word. school will do wonders in a very bad way to your health.

14. There is an option between the military and a monastery: dedicated martial arts training.
    My aikido branch (yoshin/renshin) does an intense year long live in course meant for tactical police units, after one year, if you can survive, you will be black belt. Other schools do do as well, one can live and train in the Shaolin monastery,or go to Thailand and box.
    The aikido senshusei course is gruelling, tough, many drop out in the first few weeks but the iron in your blood and soul will be tempered into steel.

    1. do you have any links or websites you recommend to look this up?

       1. Yeah Im curious as well.

       2. For Aikido, I would just search for the Hombu (HQ) website for either Yoshinkan or Renshinkan, should be an English translated page. A few guys run their own programs, like Ando sensei in Chiba-ken.
          I wouldn’t know about the Shaolin temple or Thai boxing, certainly not able to recommend any teachers of repute.

          1. tagging this comment thread

          2. The senshusei program is fairly well know, shouldn’t be too hard to find information about it.

          3. hmm good to know I’ll have to look into it

    2. Gozo Shioda was an idiot who would intentionally slam his uke’s head against the ground during irimi nage.

       1. If that was his intention, his uke would be dead or paralyzed. Do injuries occur? Of course, this is martial arts. Go do Yoga or Tai Chi then.
          Why are you trying to start a beef with me? I’m just some guy on the Internet. You have your opinions about Yoshinkan? Okay, means nothing to me.

15. Look for positions in industrries willing to take you on as a trainee and pay for any tuition fees for your long distance course.
    You will learn your trade and earn money for yourself.
    Win win

16. Alternatively buy a fake diploma pr make it yourself on photoshop in an easy degree you can learn off Wikipedia. History, philosophy, business studies and management.

    1. Go to art school, learn graphic design and get into 100k of debt to learn to use photoshop well enough to make a fake diploma showing you are 300k in debt. Net effective savings 200 thousand dollars.

       1. Clap Clap Clap, tres bon monseur! Add 2 years in woodworking for a measly 10k to make a frame to hang your fake diploma on the wall.

17. 8 more month and I got my Bachelor of Science.
    Poosy paradise Thailand waits for me.
    Already bought everything I need (read Naughty Nomads travel guide and then bought all the things I needed like an Osprey Farpoint 40).
    I can’t wait to start.
    I’m just wondering how it will feel like lying in a bed in Bangkok with two hot girls while I hear the news that there were a thousand more terror attacks in germany during the time I was traveling. Fuck this hellhole.

    1. One problem tho: Osprey backpacks are full of estrogen and by the time you’ll realise you would be a transgender.
       You need yourself some Kratom, son. Get some…dududuududuudud….dududuududuudud. .get some

    2. Why Thailand?
       Go some place with higher quality Asian girls like Japan or even Vietnam.
       Isn’t Thailand sorta the Mexico of Asia? Little brown water hogs? I mean some are light skinned but as a whole, kinda dark…

18. If someone is currently not within the top 20% of all income earners in the USA and also will not be at that income level, within a planned 10 year period, guided by a WORKABLE strategy (age doesn’t matter, just that they have a realistic plan) than they have ABSOLUTELY no reason to follow “The Social Contract” from here on out. I really mean it, people whom have no chance to be in the top 20%, of all income earners, have ZERO incentives to listen to ANYBODY. The Elite consider those below the top 20%, as nothing more than a form of slave labor or at best an indentured servant with middling pay, so, it really is pointless for regular people to follow any “request” or “behavioral guidelines” issued by those same Ruling Class Elites.
    Taking into account everything that I have said, it should be blatantly obvious to everyone, why the government wants to limit gun ownership among regular people and why they have militarized local police forces. There will be consequences when a BIG chunk of the population can no longer earn wages to buy food or shelter. Most folks are not Rambo, they are not the leaders or members of a private militia, nor are they master survivalists, so, firearms are the “equalizer of last resort” for the unskilled.
    The economic system in the USA is set up as a “Rent Seeking” platform, for those that control the majority of its wealth, PERIOD. To believe any differently is nothing more than mental gymnastics, used to justify why we are strongly coerced to live the way we do. (note, many simply call these people the “Elite”, but lets face facts, they think they OWN us, like indentured servants, so, I refer to them as the “Owners of Capital” in my below posts)
    The “Owners of Capital” want wage-slaves DEAD before turning 60. Best case scenario for them, is for someone to work 60+ hour work weeks, from ages 16-60, put all of their money into a 401K, cars & home mortgage, neglecting to go to the doctor for decades and then suddenly drop dead of a heart attack; all before they can drain their 401K’s and start using earned social security & medicare benefits.
    Note, some ROK posters, in the past, have said that the “Owners of Capital” want to extract ongoing fees from “lingering, uncured, illnesses among the elderly”, however, that only applies to the top 10%-20% of all earners. The rest, that are below such a level of income, the “Elite” want dying on the job because those below that income level do not have enough retirement savings to pay for such care. Which is why I use the term “wage slaves”.
    Due to the way our current economic system works, we CLEARLY have too many people being born and not enough desire on the behalf of the “owners of capital” to employ them for the sake of having a stable and safe civilization. In the United States, for example, its clear that the “owners of capital” have chosen NOT to employ people on a large scale, preferring “tent cities” and “jailing the homeless”, INSTEAD of providing more “make-work employment” arrangements.
    Up to the 1940 a person could get just about any job with an 8th grade education, but today you need a BA or Masters for entry level.
    Why?
    Because the government & big business figured out a long time ago that populations would certainly increase over time, but due to technology advancements, the availability of jobs would not expand to meet that population growth. There is a DEFINITE reason they don’t want people dropping out of high school and at the same time, encourage those same high school graduates to attend junior college, then a 4 year university and finally a Masters degree or PhD. Government strong-arms this concept because it DECREASES the amount of people looking for full-time employment, at the SAME TIME, chasing after jobs in a market that CANNOT provide employment for everyone whom is looking, able to perform, qualified for and willing to work (BTW, this includes the self-employed and consulting firms vying for “service contracts”).
    Look at it this way, when people could get a job with an 8th grade education, they went out and did it, as soon as possible (opportunity cost). Then jobs got scarcer and the minimum requirement became a high school diploma, adding 4 more years of people NOT Looking for jobs within their cohort. Then jobs got even scarcer and the minimum became a 2 or 4 year college degree, adding an additional 2-4 years of people NOT looking for jobs within their cohort. Now jobs are really scarce and may require a Masters or PHD, adding an additional 2-7 years of people NOT looking for jobs within their cohort. Basically due to the way the economy has been structured TODAY, we are looking at young people within their cohort whom are NOT looking for full-time, career type, employment for 4-15 YEARS, beyond K-12, all while they finish more school! (AGAIN, this includes the self-employed and consulting firms vying for “service contracts”, if you have ever filled out an RFP or responded to an SOQ, you will know what I am talking about).
    This has been done ON PURPOSE, to keep the number people seeking employment lower. In 1920, after 8th grade, everyone who was able, went out to look for work and typically found it. That’s simply NOT possible today under any circumstances. Easily accessed welfare will soon add another 1-3 years of people within a cohort, to those “not seeking employment”. Note, this will NOT be to the specific detriment of society, but used as a means to continue to mask the illusion that jobs and upward mobility are still available. So, if someone gets a graduate degree and collects 1-3 years of welfare on top of than, that’s ONE less person competing for scarce jobs. The extra years of welfare are then acting in the same way to the larger economy, as the previously increased minimum education levels for available employment openings. The real goal is decreasing the number of able-bodied applicants out on the job market at the same time, but also not decreasing the supply of “potential workers” who’s mere existence drive wages down for EVERYBODY. Keep in mind this cohort of people “not pursuing full-time employment” also includes those in Prison, Government pensioners/SSI and the disabled on government assistance. The reality is if everyone needed to go out and “get a job” or “start their own business” TODAY, as many “capitalists” and “entrepreneurs” suggest these days, we would ALL be making 0.25 cents a day. THIS RACE TO THE BOTTOM EFFECTS SELF EMPLOYED WAGES AS WELL.
    The “owners of capital” have already decided, FOR US REGULAR PEOPLE, that there are going to be LESS jobs available in the NEAR future, due to increased automation and modern corporate labor, cost-cutting, strategies. These measures eventually will effect and include ALL contract work, ALL self-employment opportunities and ALL small businesses, NOT JUST payroll laborers. Its easier to “pay less” or “nothing at all” to contracted or indentured “labor” when there is another willing laborer/slave, waiting in the wings, to do the work for less or nothing at all. In the past when there wasn’t enough money to go around to pay both wages & PROFITS, the “owners of capital” simply brought in more indentured servant immigrants (Irish, Italians, Chinese, etc) or flat out used slave labor (Blacks, Native Americans, domestic prisoners, POW’s, etc). The only difference between now and then is the “owners of capital” can’t LEGALLY have slaves or indentured servants. The mechanisms today that replaces slaves and indentured servants are the following: longer than needed formal education for basic employment, off-shoring of labor, forced retirement, prisoners and welfare.
    Machines could put more than half the world’s population out of a job in the next 30 years:
    http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/feb/13/artificial-intelligence-ai-unemployment-jobs-moshe-vardi
    The largest “recorded” wage increase to happen in history, for non-land owing, wage-laborers, post, the introduction of fiat currency, was after the black death pandemic, in the 14th century, especially in post-pandemic England
    But, how was that possible?
    Because “the owners of capital”, post, the black-death-pandemic, still needed wage-laborers, but there was a HUGE shortage of able bodied people. So, in order for ANY work to get done, they had to pay the peasants and other undesirables, more money, SIGNIFICANTLY MORE. This principle is still at work today, when you take the time to recognize that sizable portions of the population are actively discouraged from participating in the full-time labor market. This is easily done, by throwing people in prison, forcing them to attend formal school longer and allowing more people to claim themselves as disabled or collect long/short term welfare
    After the Black Death ran its course, in the 14th century, a Peasants Revolt was triggered by the “Statute of Labourers 1351”. By 1381. The sustained wage growth for non-land owing, wage-laborers was rising so quickly that the English parliament, a few decades post the Black-Death, under King Edward III, introduced the “Statute of Labourers 1351”. This statute was used by the “Owners of Capital”, as an artificial means to drive down the wages of non-land owning peasants. Despite market conditions signalling the need for increased wages
    http://avalon.law.yale.edu/medieval/statlab.asp The Statute of Laborers; 1351 (“Statutes of the Realm,” vol. i. p. 307.)
    Think about that for a minute, the MARKET signaled that wages should have been higher, due to actual labor shortages, caused by the Black Death, but the “owners of capital” still didn’t want to pay it, so they wrote a law saying why they didn’t have to conform to demands of the market. That’s where we are today, a form of Neo-feudalism, driven by Fascist ideology and practices. Remember the USA a former “slave owning nation”, that fought “tooth & nail” to maintain the legal right to own slaves; even turning indentured servants, whom by contract, were set to be released in 7 years, into indefinite slaves through legal loopholes.
    Exponential Unemployment:
    http://robotswillstealyourjob.com/read/part1/ch3-exponential-growth
    Newborn babies, legal immigrants and illegal immigrants destroy the wage negotiating power of the 99% and the 1% know this. Children born today, WILL be both jobless and skill-less labor in the near future. People should be discouraged from making more people. When there are no more legal or illegal immigrants and no more “newborn biological DNA babies”, Americans would see both increased wages and a reduction in prices for vital goods & services, due to decreased demand (assuming the supply and demand principle is actually true within the USA economy). Regular people have run out of options, we must now actively choose to stop feeding the “industrial complex” with more bodies, ready to labor for less and less. To believe any different is simply naive. Millennials despite having no real-world experience, instinctively know this is the answer. What we have in 2016, is an overabundance of labor on the market. The 1% use this fact to artificially drive down the wages of the 99%.
    Again, I’d argue that both Millennial men and women see this current economic trajectory, VERY CLEARLY.
    Are they more self absorbed than previous generations and a little naïve about their ability to influenced political change? Yes. But make no mistake, they know exactly where our country is headed and at the very least both marriage and children appear to have no place in it.
    Opting-out of the system by any means they can imagine, seems to be a viable choice, despite thier having little real-world experience. Millennials and young X’ers have essentially chosen a solution to their problems that requires no changes in current law and no support from the politicians that are running the current system and as we can all see, most of the older Elites hate that solution and are displaying early signs of panic.

    1. Just out of curiosity, would you argue that people who are not in that top 20% of wage earners who opt out of the social contract also not enjoy the benefits of that social contract?
       So when they opt out I no longer want them to be able to use the library. I do not want them to get any government assistance (including, but not limited to, police and fire services, EMT services, free medical clinics, libraries, public schools, etc).
       Is there a free concert in the park? I do not want them to be allowed to go. Oh, and running water? Renters Protections? nothing.
       If you are advising the people on the lower 80% to not participate in the social contract than I would hope you are at least consistent and don’t expect them to receive any of the perks that being in that contract offered them.
       And when the militarized police force decides to gun them down before asking questions, that is fine because all of their constitutional rights which were part of that contract no longer exist either.
       I mean the question quite seriously. If people decide to opt out of the social contract I would then see them as foreign invaders and feel it would be perfectly appropriate for the national guard to gun them down wholesale.

       1. @lolknee
          Before I begin, I’m not specifically advocating for increased welfare or some other kind of all encompassing social policy. I’m just pointing out that there will be consequences when a large portion of the general population is permanently unemployable, in economy that does not have some socialistic policies and at the same time, has too many regulations, limiting opportunities for small-time entrepreneurship.
          In Second World and Third World Countries, there is less business regulation such as: permits, licenses, etc., so people can do, what they need to do, in order to survive. The USA is in a kind of regulation limbo, with lots of business regulation, but at the same time has few social safety nets. I’m not saying that more social safety nets is the solution, but to combine that with bureaucratic regulations, which set the bar too high for first-time, small business entrepreneurs, you end up with a system that will eventually to boil over.
          So, do you expect these unemployable people to just be “obedient welfare collectors”. Perhaps you have a more optimistic outlook on future entrepreneurship opportunities and jobs growth within the United States. I on the other hand, expect employment levels to shrink dramatically because of automation and hyper efficient offshoring.
          Keeping up with the basics in terms of education and on-the-job work skills won’t be enough for jobs requiring “future-tech”, contemporary labor market, skill-sets. The poor and even the middle class (not the upper middle class) will simply NOT be able to keep up with the skill demands for future employment, which will include REQUIRED PAY-TO-PLAY, CERTIFICATIONS, STATE LICENSING, etc., while they also somehow try to earn wages AND keeping a roof over their heads, all at the same time. In the VERY NEAR future, these very high costs skills that will be needed to stay “relevant” in ALL labor markets, will only be affordable to the rich, or, possibly, to VERY far forward thinking middle class families, willing to sacrifice everything financially, while pooling resources, to keep their offspring competitive in the larger job market.
          I will begin with the usual assertion I hear in regards to the impact of these, soon to be real, “future-tech jobs”, which contrary to the beliefs of some, includes the trades and the accompanying “proprietary tech” that will not be repairable, only “replaceable by a certified/licensed tech”.
          “Someone has to get paid to fix the robots!”
          I often hear this above noted rebuttal to mass automation and current labor cutting measures, in the modern workplace, BUT, it misses a subtle point, that ONLY the children of the wealthy will have the opportunity to become TRUE experts in such fields. Let me clarify, through the prior 20th century, a poor kid who studied hard could become a lawyer, accountant, even a doctor sometimes, with the right combination of hard work, savings, scholarships, family support, etc. OR simply they started a career by going directly into the trades, learning on the job, with PAY. However, in current engineering and technician curriculum’s today, times have changed, to favor kids whom have had access to expensive software and hardware to “experiment” with and “practice” on, before entering college or into their chosen training program. So, when these kids finally get to college or to their apprenticeship, those whom have had lots of “free time” to “play” with robotics and programming, outside of class, WILL CERTAINLY outpace their less privileged peer who flips burgers part-time, to pay rent and school expenses. In the recent past, being self-employed or owning a low-skill small business could partially solve this problem. Those days are LONG GONE because of greatly improved market efficiency (in fact, Roosh wrote an article on this very topic).
          Before 1990, 40% of teenagers had part-time jobs while in school. This is a relevant statistic because today only 20% of teenagers in school have part-time jobs. Teens at one time made up a sizable portion of the workforce and such changes in employment practices have shifted away from this, meaning, poor kids do not have any opportunity to build jobs skills of any kind, both before, during and even after college.
          Although not my primary point, I do think there is plenty of evidence that teens today do not have the opportunity to get part-time jobs, BUT the wealthy kids are beginning to develop advanced skill-sets that COULD be MORE helpful in their future adult careers, than say, “working at a taco stand after school”. Bill Gates and Mark Zuckerberg are very good, EARLY, examples of people who made excellent use of their free-time and access to money, without the need to labor for part-time pay. During that free time they developed specialized skills that could not have been learned at a MINDLESS part-time job or even in formal schooling. In the end, they leveraged that free-time learning and tech access, due ENTIRELY to having wealthy parents, into long term careers.
          In a sense, one of the biggest issues causing unemployment is that employers simply will not train anyone under any circumstances and what’s even worse is that K-12 education is so bad in the USA that the employer offered training needs to be even more remedial than most employers can begin to fathom. These employers still believe that such remedial training is unnecessary, however, in time, I believe that they will have no choice but to start doing it or close up the business. Here is a modern example of a company with a big contract to fill and absolutely no “will” to increase wages to attract experienced personnel, nor the desire to train inexperienced ones on the job, while paid. Instead they put out a story on the web bellyaching, silently hoping for access to more migrant workers:
          http://bridgemi.com/2013/03/is-shortage-due-to-skills-or-wages/
          In the link below this paragraph I have posted an example of what I believe to be a young person, from a well off family, who majored in robotics at USC. She doesn’t appear to have had any unrelated part-time jobs, in relation to her major, while in college. She also seem to have had access to “experiment and PLAY” with technology in her spare time, earning a masters degree back-to-back to the bachelors AND at the end of college, got a job offer at a University sponsored dinner party for robotics majors (NOBODY I went to college with, EVER, got a job offer at a university sponsored dinner party). In contrast, I’m sure many Ivy league and top 10 school graduates do get job offers at university sponsored dinner parties. My point being, these future “robot repair jobs” are going to require smart kids, with desire to advance, whom also went to good schools, had lots of spare time and money to play with the tech outside of school AND got their jobs offered at dinner parties (some of which will be non-paying internships at first, further selecting for children of the wealthy).
          These 21st century job offers will not be gained through sending out blind jobs applications through Linkedin or company job boards, as has been done up until now. Basically, what this girl is doing for Disney will, in the near future, be more like what a plumber or electrician does today, EXCEPT you won’t get trained on the job, in a low-pay apprenticeship, when at “entry level”. In fact, to even be considered for these “future-tech jobs” in the first place you’ll need to have good academic pedigree, lots of “unpaid hobby experience” and 1+ years of unpaid internships. Can kids outside of the upper middle class do the same thing as this young woman? I think not!
          Here is her story, readers can decide for themselves, my opinion is that this is what a career for a plumber is going to look like in 15+ years:
          http://onedublin.org/2013/09/11/imagineer-molly-rinke-on-creating-immersive-experiences-at-walt-disney-imagineering/
          So, what she is doing these day? Any guesses?
          Per her Linkedin profile, she is now a “Homemaker”. She basically wasted a great opportunity and squandered a training spot, that another more dedicated person could have used and gone VERY far with.
          Those whom are going to be rendered jobless by automation/robotics/tech are going to be the least likely to be able to pick up these pieces, in the coming era of traditional jobs destruction. Its going to IMPOSSIBLE for the poor to go back to school, get a masters degree in robotics, in full-time only engineering programs. Contrary to what MOST laymen believe, these programs strongly discourage their admitted students from taking part-time jobs, while favoring students who have both the money and free time, whom have NEVER worked at an unrelated job to their majors and also have the ability to buy expensive robotics hardware/software, to experiment with, outside of class.
          Mark my words the future labor market in the pursuit of “maintaining robots” or some other tech is going to be the sole domain of rich kids, with advanced degrees, from good schools because NO ONE is going to hire and aculturate any applicant perceived as lesser, in that kind of job, WITH PAY.
          To continue my above point, I believe “rich kid” job mobility is going to be a bigger problem for regular folks, living in the West, beyond what the previous “rich kid” pedigree typically brought in the 20th century. Their unfettered access to endless money and time to “explore” academics and do hands-on work, with no consequences, is going to END job mobility of any kind for the lower and middle classes, even for those whom have met the typical required higher education and work experience standards.
          Its a superstar only job market now, with no room for middle of road folks and there is going to be hell to pay when regular people figure out how this shell game really works, with even REGULAR jobs, in the future, being reserved only for the wealthy and well connected.

          1. I see what you are saying. To further strengthen your point, the unions are making so that you can’t just decide, even at a young age, you want to go into something like being an electrician and be successful at it — at least here in NYC. Without family connections to unions like movie grips, carpenters, etc. you are pretty much on the outs.
             That said, I am not sure how much technical knowhow stuff like a “robot repairman” will have. When I was a kid and computers were just starting to become a thing in people’s houses, the idea that someone could fix a printer without some kind of education was absurd.
             Now, however, I have an IT guy who works for me who complains when he is called away from his server bank to help some woman with her printer. The general level of tech awareness does increase with the technology. So while the person who invents, updates, improves the robot will more than likely be a robotics expert, I feel that at some point the people who repair the robots will be tech school grads at first and then, eventually, people will just be expected to know how to fix a robot…at least some of the very basic troubleshooting.
             All in all, I have to agree with most of what you say. However, I still believe in the ability for a poor kid, with the proper mix of motivation, brains and luck, to become a lawyer, doctor or indian chief. Hell, I did it. Now you might say I did it before the world changed. I graduated college in ’95. And to some degree you would be right. However, a lot of the opportunities I had that no longer exist for young people have been replaced with other opportunities.
             The fact that most high school students can do graphic design in a way that just 10 years ago would have been something that an art school graduate would be doing is amazing.
             It is absolutely true that some opportunities disappear, but I am a firm believer in the idea that if you look hard enough you will find others.
             Yes, the wealthy have an easier time of it. That has always been the case. But 2016 United States offers a quality of life which is far and away better than anything we have seen (at least in some ways).
             This brings me back to the idea of a peasant revolt. The 14th century revolts you mentioned are, in my opinion, simply not applicable. Those peasants were literally starving. Even when Castro had his revolution, what choice did people have?
             Here is where the American system is brilliant. Yes, people will work crappy jobs which are soul numbing and underpaid and come with little or no appreciation.
             However, the Ponzi scheme that is our economy has done something interesting. People can willingly enslave themselves to debt in such a way that they can “afford” to live far beyond their means.
             I have said this before, the revolution is never manned with fat people.
             While it is difficult and nearly impossible to break out of the system, the system will feed, and entertain you into a coma in a way that a 14th century peasant couldn’t imagine.
             If 14th century peasants had 70 inch HD televisions and phones that streamed porno not a single revolution would have gone down.
             I do believe you are, as I said, mostly correct. However, I think you do not account for 2 things. The new opportunities that replaced the old ones and the fact that society will give us enough sloth material to make sure no one ever rebels.

          2. @lolknee
             Great reply, but I only reference the Peasant Revolt as an example of a lower population density influencing increased wages, for all classes; where in response to economic realities, the Elite just wrote a law to circumvent the market conditions.
             I actually don’t think there will be a revolution, per se, just a big dip in birth rates and a huge increase in employment apathy, which will lead to total economic chaos.

          3. It is funny, but I agree with you about what will happen (dip in birth rates and huge increase in employment apathy) but feel that rather than lead to total economic chaos that the system, which is essentially just a simulacrum of an economy at this point, will continue to be fueled well enough by its own bullshit to keep the general public numb to the apathy.
             Eventually what will happen, I think, will be that people will forget that there was ever a such thing as fulfillment and passion. The last shreds of humanity will disappear and when that is gone then the population will be even more sheepish and easily moved by large corporations.
             All large corporations want is for people to be passive consumers of everything. It doesn’t help a big company if your average Joe Dickhead can’t afford his product, but it also doesn’t help the big company if Joe Dickhead is a discerning consumer.
             Once Joe Dickhead forgets that humans once believed in things like passion, fulfillment, beauty, peaceful repose he will simply show up at his shitty robot function job, pass his entire salary to the banks and corporations, eat his estrogen laden high carb foods and watch 3 hours of sportsball filled with advertisements that will tell him what he wants next.
             The thing about total economic chaos is that it will take people realizing what is going on and being angry about that. But humans anger is being turned down and we are turning into a very passive nation. I imagine at some point we will either take over the world this way or be toppled by savages, but that will take hundreds of years. Other than a few new gadgets, even if I live to 100 years old I don’t suspect things will change very much.

          4. Robot repair person you sexist!
             Yes, I see it now: Latifa, finding herself displaced from her McJob, rebrands herself as an autonomous food vending machine repair and quality assurance technician: She’ll bust out her mutlimeter and handle it dexterously with her long glue on acrylic nails.

          5. Exactly

       2. So you want to penalize Americans who decide to go Galt? Where is the vitriol for non-citizens who are taking from a system into which they never paid? You want to deny some American medical care while of tens of millions of illegals are given Medicaid, food stamps, and free housing? What about the Zika babies with microcephaly born to women from Central America? Each one will cost $10 million minimum over the course of its life. If the United States government has money to squander on useless eaters, it certainly has money for the occasional eccentric who wishes to reject materialism yet occasionally requires a medical checkup or wishes to read a book.
          Besides, the only people who even use the public library nowadays are the homeless. Everyone else downloads e-books to their Kindle or Snook or whatever the fuck it is.
          Ironically, the only time the National Guard ever gunned down American citizens was at Kent State in 1970 and the Americans they killed were those who were abiding by the Social Contract, e.g., attending a good school, getting a university education, etc.
          I wish the United States government treated its citizens as well as it does foreign invaders: free housing, free medical, free food, plenty of leisure time, welcoming native pussy. Sign me up.

          1. I was just curious. The thing about breaking a contract is that the other side no longer needs to meet their responsibilities. So when someone advocates breaking the social contract I wonder if they seriously are willing to accept the whole bag of tricks.
             Other than that I’ve no issue with anything you’ve said

          2. The way I see it is this: you and a bunch of neighborhood kids are at a party taking turns hitting a pinata. You lay out ground rules that when it the pinata is broken and spills the candy, each child will take a piece in an orderly manner. But then when the pinata is broken, some children start scooping up all the candy and shoveling it into their pockets. Do you stand there and wait to take your piece as per the original rules, or do you join the melee and start shoving?

          3. I’m with you 100% really no disagreement. However, the rules have been set by what I see called the “elites” however inside the context of those rules I can manipulate the system and make a good life.
             I love my life. I enjoy every day. It’s because I see the candy and get it, like you say.
             However, not paying your debts or taxes is a quick way to being fucked

          4. I would say some debts can be good – if the debt was used to acquire non-confiscatable goods. For instance, if you went into debt to have a child via surrogacy. No matter if you can never pay back the loan, no one can take away or repossess the good (the child). If you go into debt on a house or car, it can be foreclosed on or repossessed (again, some caveats to this perhaps not if the car is used for your job etc).

          5. I get where you are coming from and don’t want to be hostile to that view. However, it is my opinion that if you give your word to repay a debt with no intention to actually do so you are a criminal and belong in jail

          6. Having “debts”/taxes extorted from you is already being fucked

          7. A student loan for a useless diploma that does nothing to increase employment opportunities and even brainwashes you to have less common sense is not a real debt.
             Just like the government of your country violating it’s own constitution by borrowing it’s own currency into existence/circulation from a private bank at compound interest is not a real debt

          8. The first part of what you say is often times true. However, often times it isn’t. If someone borrows 30k for a job with a mean starting salary of 65k and works hard if say it is a good investment. Also the brain washing is easy to avoid if you want to.
             As for the stuff about the gov’t violating its own constitution? That’s just wrong.

       3. You went to school until 35 years old and you think the police assist people? Proof the longer you go the more brainwashed you are. When 80% of the population do not respect the social contract they are the ones gunning down the tiny militarized pig force minority. There is a reason south american cops who fuck with the cartel’s money wear ski masks in the sweltering heat.

          1. I do t know about South American cops, but I know my life is pretty terrific

    2. Funny how the Left wants people at any age to have the choice of who to marry, who to fuck, change gender, when to abort a baby, on and on but if you’re a high school age person and don’t want to attend school, they will send out police to hunt you down and bring you in to school. No matter how vigorously you protest that you don’t want to learn, they will insist you sit there until you turn 18. They want you to have freedom but not when it comes to compulsory education.

       1. The Prussian education system, like taking your new puppy to a trainer.

    3. You’ve posted this multiple times before. Do you have a website?

19. Male feminist judge says lesbian teachers having sex in classroom can’t be fired.
    http://nypost.com/2014/03/20/topless-tryst-teachers-to-get-their-jobs-back/

    1. that is so hot

    2. They should be fired and go to prison – not jail – for a few years, because they didn’t have sex with me. Before you criticize me, look, we’ve all slummed with less than par women in our lives. Sometimes ya just hard up and need any port in a storm, or just need to appreciate what the finer things really are in life.

20. “Join a monestary…”
    Ha ha… ha ha ha… HAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! What is this, 1410?

21. Merge #6 and the bonus-join the Legion.

    1. Rob a bank, run away to the legion, obtain french passport with new name as a result of joining the legion, return to where you hid the money and enjoy!

       1. France is a Muslim hellhole: why would you want to risk your life for France when it’s busy importing millions of Muslims and subsidizing their proliferation?

          1. The countryside is still intact! I suggest a trip to the rural Loire valley. Truly stunning place! And France is not as bad as Germany or Sweden!

          2. Ideologically, serving the motto of “Liberty, Equality, Fraternity” wouldn’t work for me. Serving the Sun King would have been another matter. But modern France was built upon the murder of the aristocratic class and until they renounce the underpinnings of the French Republic, they will continue to experience the steamrolling of their citizens by Mad Mullahs driving ice cream trucks (since we’re all equal doncha know)

          3. I have been to over ten French cities and had a lot of trouble finding an area that was still intact. The last one I visited was Grenoble near the alps and it too had it’s share of brown skinned menacing loiterers.. I look forward to doing some rural tourism in France one day, maybe even a cycling tour. So would be nice to find somewhere that wasn’t a slum of beared brow-skinned.. No, I think you have it the wrong way round, Germany is not as bad as France. It’s imports are from Turkey whereas France has brought in Moroccans and Algerians.

          4. It’s the “equality” bit manifested as socialism not some kind of equality before the law. You are not allowed to say drive a nice car in France, or say have a boat or nice house, I mean socially not legally, the general striving for nice looking material possessions which those of us from anglo countries and Germany so take for granted is not valid over there..

          5. Only in the cities. The countryside of France is white and gorgeous. No Muslims

22. Excellent article. The model of college as a finishing school that turns you into a jack-of-all-trades only really works if you’re from a wealthy background. Like it was originally intended.
    I’m in IT and I think if the public had any idea how many generic office person jobs were killed by computers and this lean fad in all its forms, half the Liberal Arts campuses would shut down overnight. Secretary used to be one of the most common jobs, now there’s usually only one per department.

23. College isn’t for everyone, but it doesn’t mean young people should stop their education after high school. These are nice options to pursue as alternatives.

24. Go work for a cruise line. The pay is good, living is free, and you get to see the world. Also, if you have decent game there are plenty of women looking to hook up both passengers and crew (be careful about fraternizing with the passengers though depending on cruise line policy). If you are in your 20’s and have ambition it is not a bad way to spend a few years of your life.

25. go abroad and teach english. dont be a english teacher your whole life, have some standards. but use that to get you to another country. do that for a few years and find what u really want from there. but the important thing is u must go abroad.

26. A good list…here are a few ideas of my own –
    1) Learn how to build websites and develop them (this is a huge field, and once you get it down, you’ll have a skill that virtually every businessperson can use, including yourself); you can buy website-building software to get started, no need to learn to write code initially – writing code is something you might do down the road, although it’s unnecessary, once you become proficient with the software-building program of your choice. Just follow the instructions that come with the website-building software, and get busy.
    2) Write anything and everything you can possibly write – and do it often; good writers are in high demand and knowing how to express yourself is a vital skill, even if you don’t get paid for it.
    3) Become a videographer (buy a decent HD camera for starters, and learn how to shoot and edit films by yourself, online – this will give you an instant business with high demand; you can use that website you learned how to build to market your wares; you can start by shooting your buddies’ weddings, and you can parlay that within your own town, and shoot property videos for real estate agents, as just a couple examples – there are tons of businesses that need the help of good videographers/filmmakers – industrial films, for example, are big business).
    4) Get an agent and become an actor, an extra in films, or a stand-in (acting is reading lines exactly the way that you would say them if you were in the character’s shoes, and nothing more) – it’s a great way to have a part-time job that pays extremely well, and occasionally you can actually find a non-SJW role to play; the myth here is, “Acting is sooooooo competitive.” True, but so is plumbing. And if you are a good plumber, you can always find work – same with acting. I suggest anybody and everybody do this one, no matter what their age. Anybody can act, pretty much. And there is high demand for actors in films (both commercial and industrial, especially the latter) of all ages, and all body types, and all “looks”…
    5) Learn to do voiceover work; you can practice this at home by recording your own voice as you read advertising copy. If you have a decent speaking voice, you can find voiceover work once you get the agent that I suggested you get in No. 4 above.
    6) Work up a 15-minute stand-up comedy routine, and practice it at any comedy club that allows comics to perform for free; you can make some decent money traveling the country once you get it down. And most comics suck, which is a very good incentive. And women love fucking comedians, even if they aren’t that good (an even better incentive).
    7) Learn how to bartend – it’s fairly easy to do, and you can memorize drink recipes and practice at home; use colored water to represent different liquor types; once you can jam and make drinks quickly, go get a job – you might need to attend bartender’s school to get a certificate, but that’s no biggie. Once you get good at your craft, you can work at better and better establishments. Some bartenders make really great money and the hot women you can ultimately bang are legion.
    8) Ask every accomplished older man you come in contact with, what the single best piece of advice is, that they might give you. You’ll be amazed at how this can turn into instant job offers, especially if you single out men who are successful, and you do this where you can hoist a glass of beer or have an alcoholic beverage. In addition, you will reap tons of hard-won insider wisdom that you can’t get at school – and that, my friend, is worth its weight in gold. Try it, you’ll see what I mean.
    9) Select a small number of recipes that your grandmother or mother passed along to you, and go get a food cart and a vendor’s license; if you are getting $6 for a sandwich, and it only costs you $1.50 to make it, the profit can add up fast, especially when it comes to beverages – which is where you can really make a profit (you buy a can of Coke for 10 cents apiece, you sell it for $1.00, or whatever, and the profit adds up quickly). You might just wind up with your own restaurant, or your own online food service, with specialty foods that you can market using that website that you know how to build if you followed my advice in No. 1, above. (As an example, I have a friend who makes designer cupcakes and ships them all over North America.) Everybody has to eat and you can damn well take advantage of that fact.
    10) Think outside the box and dream up a niche for yourself, where you might be indispensable to as many businesses and people as possible.
    In my humble opinion, No. 10 above is the most important…always think outside the box, or the box will suffocate you.

    1. Number 8 made me remember that I recruited aome of my best employees that were waiters and bartenders.

       1. People skills. A very transferable skill.

    2. This should be an article.

27. To reference Starship Troopers “Join the Mobile Infantry, service guarantees citizenship!”
    Join and hopefully kill lots of muslims get a free college education!

    1. No, the new military will be giving sponge baths to Muslims long before it kills them.

       1. Instead of the women in the shower like Starship Troopers it will instead be little boys who get gangraped. Yay germany yay muslims

       2. The U.S. Military has way too much at stake to be coddling our enemies; you’d think Nidal Hasan and Fort Hood would have been a grim reminder.

28. Back in 2001-2 I went to college for about a year and a half. After experiencing it for that small amount of time and racking up more student loan debt I said fuck this gay ass shit.
    Couldn’t be happier right now.
    I see college dolts all the time and i think…….sucker.

29. We need more salesmen like we need more muslims. Great article otherwise.

30. Having two bachelors degrees under my belt, I can say this with authority: College is an expensive exercise in doing mostly fuck-all. Even with a STEM degree spread over 4 years, I spent probably half my time at college hanging out, playing video games, chasing chicks (to no avail LOL), procrastinating, and drinking coffee. And that’s half my time *at college*, which consists of two 13-week semesters in the year (plus exams and mid-semester breaks). For the remaining 4 months of the year, I did something useful and worked an IT job (luckily they actually paid interns back then). I could have just as easily spent that 4 months masturbating and watching WWE.
    After all that goofing off I still walked out with a decent GPA, and owing very little in student loans thanks to my summer job (and living at home).
    For my next degree, which fell into the “doing it for shits and giggles” category, it was even easier.
    That’s not to say I did nothing at college.. there were times I absolutely worked my ass off. But those times were interspersed between long periods of sleeping thru lectures, perving at young girls and having deep-and-meaningful conversations with myself.
    My point is: Even a 4-year STEM degree, the material is taught at such a leisurely pace it could be learned in a quarter that time by someone with motivation, even whilst working a full time job. I probably learned (and continue to learn) more after I graduated than before. But the sad fact remains, if you wanna get into a STEM field, you’re gonna need that magical piece of paper. And if you must go to college, these are the 3 most important things you must do: Network, network, network.

31. I think a big thing is have realistic expectations. That comes with maturity. Take a few years off and grow up a bit before you hit the books. Besides, being a little older helps you beat the competition as far as the dating pool.

32. Sorry for the length but i’m so excited because of reading this today! Have been successful in sales with work enjoyment and financial benefit for most of my working life. Since I dont need to earn as much income as in the past I would like to sell and market for trade schools. For many years I’ve been in advertising sales to all types of businesses, single ownership to large corporations. Businesses such as plumbers, electricians, automobile service departments, etc., are having a difficult time finding new young employees willing to learn their trades. When an owner wants to retire he (seems to always be men) can’t even sell their business even if it’s a long time business with a well-known name and good reputation. Their children aren’t interested as most are in other professions and/or think these businesses are below them. I’ve been ONLY thinking about this as I see so much student debt along with degrees that don’t get them good paying jobs. Many tradesmen make higher incomes than physicians or college professors (who are worthless anyway). Example: a boyfriend from long ago has graduate and post-graduate degrees in philosophy. He’s settled into writing left-wing blogs and newsletters regarding socialism. Supports Bernie, is a member of many protest groups, doesn’t make much money and teaches his people to get things for free. He does seem to love what he does. Was a good looking guy with a great body and dressed well–now he is frumpy, bad posture, sloppy clothes. He has been wanting to get together again but…no way, not even for a coffee. He’s in Philly this week, I’m hoping he doesn’t pass out from the heat.
    Bottom line, I’m not thinking about it anymore, will now do it. I will start tonight looking for a job with a trade school, can’t wait to give presentations to high school students. I will flirt with the young boys. I will be doing this by September!
    So excited by this article. And most plumbers, electricians, construction workers, and others are more masculine, sexier, better built, say what they mean and are better in bed than physicians, etc.!
    BTW, I’m female even though my icon is a male cat
    Thank you Corey Savage and ROK.

33. I volunteered to help build wood houses in one of the poorest areas of Boliva(One of the poorest countries of South America). These people were actually buying lots on top of a slightly covered dump. Its a bitch digging postholes when you have to go through fabric, and trying to drive big fat nails with something other than a framing hammer. Talking to these people, they really needed job skills or as one had done an investement in machinery to make a business, not a house. They were concerned for our safety making sure we were all together so we wouldnt get mugged walking home, and there walked by in their backpacks, shirts and ties, two mormons spreading the good word.

    1. I was one of those Mormon missionaries (in Ireland). It was funny, where they had the tensions between Catholics and Protestants in the North, we were the only ones (besides the police) who could safely walk into either neighborhood. My wife (a tall, good looking white girl) spent her time in the slums of Miami. She would say the same. We only carried enough money for lunch or bus fare. There were some areas that were off limits, and an early curfew. Statistically speaking, those two years are safer than if you are at home, crazy as that sounds.

       1. That mission business automatically makes you a good vacuum cleaner salesman. Too few teens today have to learn to hustle for a living in a nanny state or under their parent’s roof. They never get the knack for repeat approach hustling to build social connections or business prospects. In a mission they go far and wide and get their toes wet. They gain the introduction, the approach and the method for the sales hustle later in life. Teens who have developed their hustle bone seem to do better at repeat approaches and gaming a woman. The bad boy hustlers always have a decent gf or two.
          Watch out in the mormon church for the politically correct sheep herders though. They’re in there like you find them in the Episcopalians or Catholics or anywhere else. Their first allegiance is to the bitchsystem and their creed comes second. Church leaders have to be strong and be able to put up a hard impentrable wall against the system and its anti-family and emasculating bitch-whip laws. Protect your congregation. You are responsible for them. NO church deacon or bishop or preacher should have a direct bloody hand in dictating, enforcing or aiding and abetting bitchsystem law being served upon its parishoners. People join a pro family conservative church why? They join to seek and find REFUGE from the anti-family predators, the women’s advocates, the snakes in the system. People join a church to seek safety and refuge for their families and children, shelter from the evils of the world. The last thing you need is the enemy hiding in your church.
          Rogue anti-family laws aren’t legitimate laws and must be rebuked and denounced by church leaders. Tribe, family and creed are #1. A uniform brand of blanket anti family, pro feminist legislation has been evenly ratified troughout the contiguous western and eastern anglo states and church leaders in all affected areas who comply with the anti-family, anti-patriarchal dictates must be pressured to be unseated, removed from the pulpits. Either espouse family, tribe, creed and patriarchy or leave. The bitchsystem-compliant church leaders must get the hook or the BOOT! And anyone can dole out the ‘boot’. Anyone or any parishoner who is 1). living and 2). who has two good live working thumbs on their hands can exhert pressure. All it takes is to have two thumbs and any man can apply the THUMBSCREWS!!!! Keep your churches tight my good fellows.

          1. “That mission business automatically makes you a good vacuum cleaner salesman”
             Not really, shortly afterwards, I tried selling knives, barely made enough to buy my demo set. With sales, once you get them to sign the dotted line, you are done. With missionary work, they can back out of the deal any time. It is teaching, working with, serving, coordinating with the locals. You pour your whole heart and soul into someone. Instead of getting them to write a check, you are asking them to change their lives. Of course, there is knocking on doors and having a steady busy routine, but that is about as far as it goes.
             I agree with you on the encroachment of feminism and liberal theology into Christian Churches. It is a sad trend for the last 50 years. I think a lot of it comes from a lack of expectations from the congregation. True, we are saved through grace which is only contingent on our faith in Christ. But the way we develop that faith is through works. Like a muscle, if we don’t put it to use, it will atrophy and become weak. The spirit will not continue to influence them. People will stop going to church, or follow false doctrines (like you mentioned). I think the best way to keep the congregation pointed into the right direction is to give everyone a responsibility. We have a “home teaching” program. All the active adults are asked to visit members in our ward monthly. Some are active, others, not so much. I am assigned 2 families. We share a short gospel message, but mostly just visit and see how they are doing, and invite them to church or any upcoming activities. I also teach the adult men once a month in Sunday School and I am a Scoutmaster. It isn’t much, but it is all volunteer, and it keeps me engaged.

       2. It impressed me, the last place you would think someone would choose to go. Your wife did a mission? I thought it was almost forbidden. How well did your conversions go in Ireland?

          1. One of the most important things I learned, is people are individuals. On here, you see the comment “western women are crap”, well you do see some, even most, but not everyone. You talk to thousands of people about deeper topics like the meaning of life, why bad things happen to good people…etc. and you find that most everyone has good intentions, just different ideas on how to implement them. Even your feminists, as misguided as they are, are trying to make the world a better place (in their view).
             Most of the people were polite, but not interested. Some were rude. Then there were a few who were interested and turned around their lives. This one particular girl (about 19) was living with this guy, had issues with depression and alcohol….on track to be a bar hag. We worked with her for about 3 months. She was baptized, threw out the guy, cleaned herself up. Seriously, she went from a 4 to at least a 7 in a few months. Last I heard, she married this guy from the UK and is living a clean life. The few success stories like that make it satisfying that you did it. I was a convert myself (atheist until 23), so I was better able to relate to the conversion process. Missionaries in Ireland typically saw 1 or 2 baptisms during their 2 years, I had 8. (Bolivia will see 30 or so).
             For men, you are expected to go. Not that you are required, but culturally, it is a rite of passage. Mormon girls will go for the returned missionaries, they have an idea about your commitment to the Lord, and it does separate the men from the boys. They are tough. Women, on the other hand, are not expected to go, although they can if they wish. Recently retired couples will also go and perform service missions.

          2. There is probably no better training for life than having to go to a foreign land that doesn’t speak your language and get 2 successes in 2 years. After that everything is cake.

          3. And I hate that too when people say ‘all women are the same’. Its easy to assume that if you haven’t actually talked to them. People will tell me sometimes that people from different countries are the same. I already know something about that person-they have never traveled. Its amazing you cross a line in the dirt sometimes just between cities, and the basic education and training that person has gotten is completely different.

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35. #14 (but it should be #1) START A FAMILY
    Just find some cute chick, get her preggers, and let nature do the rest.
    Once you’ve got a family to take care of, you’ll find your biology pushes you to become a provider.
    This means you’ll discover a natural, powerful drive to be successful and make money.
    Honestly, this article should be edited to include this option. Teenage boys need to be encouraged to become real men through family if the West is going to be salvaged.

    1. Agreed, but you need to be on your feet first.

    2. especially if you’re white 😉 Yes, we live in a world that is too complex and far from our biological reality, not that I’ve reproduced yet but is on the cards..

36. I visited Austria a few years ago and I went to a monastery and strangly enough, as a non-religious person, the lifestyle was really appealing to me. There is just something about waking up early to sing Gregorian chants in latin and then spending your day basically studying and meditating that screams manly as hell.

37. Forget 3. Why would you want to give away your time? I had a couple of friends do some volunteering through a Christian group to do basic maintenance and painting homes in poor uban neighborhoods one summer. They said they would never do it again. Having perfectly healthy hoodrats come out and mock you for painting their section 8 house tends to kill your charity.

    1. Volunteering is fine as long as you get paid for it.

    2. Maybe that gave them the vauable lesson of the red pill.
       Reminds me of volunteering for Habitat for Humanity. A bunch of college educated people paying money and spending their weekend building houses for inner city poor.
       Neighbors would sit on their porches day drinking 40’s. One woman came buy in her crap car with huge rims, stopped and yelled out the window, “When y’all gonna build me a house!?!”. Not in a mocking way. She really thought just yelling out her car window at a bunch of white people would get them building her a free house.
       Volunteering in the inner city can be a valuable source of red-pill wisdom.

       1. True. I think it is pointless to give people homes or do refurbishing work on them as the people who live there won’t maintain them. Sort of like why the majority of lottery winners end up broke. They do not have the financial discipline or behavoir to keep from blowing it.

       2. Think of all the times they were asked if they had a cigarette.

       3. Habitat for Humanity is a sham. It’s more about cherry picking some PC picturesque chump family of poarch monkeys or disabled old lady in a walker and building one single home that gets way too much publicity in the local civic rag newspaper. H4H is all for show like any big charity that skims 80% for administration and ‘reality show’ photo ops and publicity. The Democratic party pimp daddy locals wring the publicity for all it’s worth, similar to how they preside over their mega section 8 projects where they keep their lapdog infantile constituents stabled and penned up. With H4H, one or two houses are a drop in the bucket and no one that you or I knows will ever qualify or be cherry picked for residency in one. One or two free homes are insignificant compared to the huge slumlord democrat party monopoly on metro districts and the flipside country club neocons and jews running the mortgage rape and qualification sham that real working families drench their blood money into for owning their own homes.
          But one good program I heard of was a liquidation of blighted inner city homes that you could get the quit claim deed to if you agreed to renovate them in a specified time frame. You don’t fix the house for someone else, you fix it for yourself and it’s basically free or close to it. DC had programs in the 80’s for regentrifying inner city row houses. Today, the best deals are in Detroit. Dearborn is becoming highly muslim but areas of Detroit city have many finely built older homes that need a little TLC. Check out these dutch A frame style brick ramblers that you can purchase for pocket change literally.
          http://m.trulia.com/property/3239948601-4284-Sturtevant-St-Detroit-MI-48204
          Detroit metro area has tens of thousands of properties at rock bottom prices, some as low as $50-$100!!!!
          http://m.trulia.com/property/3187065636-9168-Ward-St-Detroit-MI-48228

    3. Having perfectly healthy hoodrats come out and mock you for painting their section 8 house tends to kill your charity.

       Some people don’t learn any other way. I’d definitely NOT consider that time wasted.

       1. Learning the feral negro culture is interesting. 40s, crack, bitches/ hoes, rims, rap and pit bulls

38. A kid today that gets a job at Walmart or McDonald’s after high school will be much better off after 4 years instead of going to college. If he has a good relationship with his parents he’d just live with them rent free and save his money. After 4 years he could have $40K+ in his bank, while the college grad is broke and in deep debt.

39. Wtf is going on with all this Beta advice? Really? I hold this website in such a high regard, that I’m really disappointed with what I just read.
    I’ve spent years of my life meditating on monasteries, living on low money, with my parents, and having sort of a leftist hippie lifestyle.
    And what for?
    I’ve seen beautiful landscapes, hook up with some nice girls, and smoked weed. But that didn’t add any great value to my life, with the exception of knowing what not to do with it.
    Today people try not to follow rules and live an unorthodox life, just because they fail to understand life’s rules, and go the opposite direction of what would bring success, wealth, and freedom.
    Instead people should learn discipline, focus, and achieve goals. Not this crap of wasting your time philosophizing about life.
    This advice will at most teach people how to become lazy, mediocre people.

    1. Money makes the world go around and gets the toys and babes.
       If you’re smart you already know this. Now if you’re real smart, dudes learn how to Keep it and make it grow.

40. The best place to go both Trade and high-tech is at a makerspace. They have electronics, but also CNC machines, 3d printers, laser cutters. Sometimes they have classes on things like welding or blacksmithing or soldering. You can learn the new manufacturing technology, 3D CAD, even real programming (instead of the dumbed down stuff taught in college – squeezing code into a tiny microcontroller is different). You will learn how to think and how to use your hands.

41. Charles Manson once said he always made it a point to throw his parole hearing because he openly admitted he could not survive outside prison. Some guys who spend more time in jail then out usually get use to the amenities of lock-up and prefer it that way.

    1. True. The book “Helter Skelter” mentioned hat he spent half his life in prison before he formed his “family” and right before he was released from prison in 66′ he begged the warden to let him stay.

       1. He made a mockery of the trial and said being convicted was nothing to him even though he never killed anybody, he grew up in juvy and the judge would just be sending him home lol
          http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/manson/mansontestimony-m.html

    2. 
       

42. Not going to college is the best decision I ever made. I make $70 an hour and I have an exceptional degree of freedom.
    After graduating high school I got an entry-level job as a car salesman.
    Then I got a sales job as a mortgage broker.
    After the financial crisis I moved into advertising sales in Corporate America.
    (this whole time I was partying and certainly having as much fun as any college student – I just had money to afford a nice car, nice clothes and bottle service at the club way too frequently)
    Eventually I quit my day job and started a marketing firm with a partner. Although we split up amicably after a couple of years.
    Then I taught myself the web development skill set just from watching YouTube videos.
    I worked as a freelance web developer building clients websites for $70 an hour from countries like Colombia, Spain and the Ukraine.
    My second lucrative cash flow stream is affiliate income from my blog on the topic of biohacking – a domain in which I’ve debatably become one of the top niche experts in the world just from self experimenting and spending a lot of time reading human studies publicly available on PubMed.
    I’m well compensated because of the excellent free educational resources available online.

    1. How did you find customers ?

43. As an Air Force vet, I have to agree with PelayoHSV. I was in “back in the day” when Carter was president. Things were bad then with the onset of political correctness and “Human Relations” classes; I can only imagine what they’re like now. It was bad enough then that as a white male I knew there was no future in it for me and bailed after four years. I watched one of my fellow airmen get passed over for a promotion in favor of a female who couldn’t do the job (avionics tech), but she got points on the test for her gender. So much for “equality”.
    I can say that the training and work experience I gained in Uncle Sam’s Airplane Club have served me well. I just can’t encourage young people who want to take up a trade to sell their soul to the empire nowadays. If you really want to go to foreign lands, meet interesting and unusual people and kill them maybe it’s your thing. Just keep in mind that you may not come home with both (or any) legs if you come home at all. And you will be contributing to the big problem of the US sending its military all over the globe irritating all of our neighbours. Remember, blow-back is a bee-atch (ask the French).
    I read an article a couple of years ago by a PhD in economics who made the same case by stating that his plumber made more money than he did. I grew up on the campus of William & Mary (my dad was on staff) and from what I saw, I knew college was scam way back in the 70’s. I’ve been involved in industrial electronics, instrumentation and controls since 1981 and it has always paid the bills (and then some).
    If you are young and just starting out (or even if you’re not so young), there are a lot of lucrative opportunities available for Instrumentation & Controls technicians here and abroad. If you are more into “coding” then look into systems integration. PLC, HMI and DCS programmers are always in high demand in numerous industries. If you are willing (or want) to travel, there’s even more money available. You may have to work a part time job and get an associates degree to get your foot in the door, but it will be worth it in the long run. Or if you really search (and have the aptitude) you may even find an employer that is willing to train you from scratch.
    The bottom line is this; if you have marketable hands on skills, will show up on time and do the job, you will have work if you want it. If you have a four (or six) year degree in “Womyn’s Studies”, sociology or the like, you’ll probably be asking a deep philosophical question: “Do you want fries with that?”

    1. All whites should check the
       box ” Hispanic” at interview time.
       Fight fire with fire. Win win proposition

       1. Now that we can “self identify” I have decided that I actually feel like a black lesbian (go ahead, disprove me all you SJWs out there, you’re triggering me…where’s my colouring book!?). Trouble is, I doubt I’ll ever fill out another employment application. My next venture will be my own business and I don’t think my new “status” will do me much good in that regard.

          1. So, what that basically means, is that you are a black lesbian female born in a straight, white male’s body, right?
             Your official Gender is TransNigger, then.

          2. I don’t give a rat’s ass what you call me, I jess wants me some reparation$$$! 😉

44. be a cyber pimp.

45. MINIMALISM
    https://scontent.cdninstagram.com/t51.2885-15/s320x320/e15/10890575_833503910029266_874609962_n.jpg?ig_cache_key=OTA5NTk0MDU5ODMwOTY3Nzgx.2
    EXTREME MINIMALISM
    https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/f8/2c/d1/f82cd127d0cb82bd1f8352b29738efd1.jpg

46. Went to a southern school, it went well. College is just kind of what kids do after high school where I’m from, thankfully I ended up a huge SEC school with a lot of babes. I’m not doing shit with my degree, but I learned a lot about dealing with women, what I want in life, friends, etc. And I got my current job at the career fair. Granted, most schools are a pits of SJW filth these days, and who knows how my alma mater has changed since I graduated.

47. The lack of an immediate military service requirement upon high school graduation has hurt the nation. That said, a two year requirement for everyone, no exceptions, would only better the society IF while in the service, everyone was required to read, learn, and be tested upon both the Declaration of Independence, and the US Constitution. Everyone in the US Military should know where the authority of government to order men and women to kill comes from.

48. Hey prison worked great for the Count of Monte Cristo. Why not you?

49. Currently, swimming pool sales people now make around $200k/yr in many parts of the country. A decade ago, it was mortgage sales, which I did while it was hot. Mattress Firm now provides extension sales training and $100k pay to virtually anyone.

50. I had an extremely well educated gay guy work for me at my company for years. He told me that fifteen years ago he spent a couple of yrs in a Catholic monastery and his estimate was that 50% of the guys in there were gay.

51. Edit for future use: change # 7 to join the MILITARY. The Air Force and Navy are much better at making your military experience marketable in the civilian world. Also, ditch the myopic view that joining the military automatically means that you’re a mudslinging grunt that has to die in a foxhole to get the GI Bill. Be a Nuclear Engineer or an Avionics Technician and take the world by storm once you’re out with skills that most people would kill to have.

52. Well, you can also learn french, choose a good university, study what you want for the cost of two month of your student room, have good grade, fuck a lot of slim pussies, and come back for your Master in a prestigious US university.
    You have travelled, learned a new language, practiced pick up, and avoid 80% of your student loan.

53. Join the army get paid, become a badass and hopefully kill people + things. You’ll get tuition free college and get paid to go. Easy.

    1. Agree.
       Absolutely believe I’d have been better off had I joined the army or marines as a teen.

54. I would say for the past 17 years college is a total waste of money and time for 95 percent of young people. Even the brightest minds will leave with massive debts, will spend much of their working lives paying off those debts, and not much more.
    Also the leftist bullshit and the other garbage on college campuses these days is beyond words. I went to college a very long time ago when it was actually worth it and when professors were actually there to help you get an education and not indoctrinate you with all sorts of crap. They were leftist back then but they kind of kept it within bounds to a degree, and you did not have social media in those days for professors to stalk students.
    These days unless its STEM, its a waste of your precious time. Go to trade school, or go to the military.
    I even knew a friend whose son went to college but wound up running a business and is self employed in a field that requires no college degree. He just wasted his time and their money. At least he is earning money and really good money but he didn’t need college to get there.

55. Some very sound advice in this article. Another point I would add is young folks should diversify their sources of income at an early age.
    The days of one solid job where you and your employer are loyal to each other are long gone. Pension plans are a bygone memory and Social Security will almost assuredly be bankrupt by the time the younger generations are of retirement age.
    Be thrifty, don’t be materialistic, and continually through your life, work an hour or two per day on building your own business or creating intellectual property that can give you passive income.
    This way you always have some “F*&% You” money in case your boss doesn’t treat you well, or to survive a downturn in the economy. The only thing robots can’t replace is the job you create.

56. #2: Learn on your own.
    I’ve been taking a free online beginner’s course in computer science from MIT at ocw.mit.edu. They literally have tons of free courses with all the lectures available on video, and all the homework and tests available on their website. It’s just as good as actually going to MIT (except you don’t get any credits or a degree, of course), and it’s totally free.
    I’m sure lots of other schools have similar websites with free courses, and there are videos teaching you basically anything you want to learn all over Youtube.
    The only point of paying to attend college is for the degree, not for learning.

57. It can be safe to conclude that if you’re not interested in a STEM program, and you cannot get into a state university, that higher education is not for you.

58. StreetSmarts are more valuable..why would any dad want their son to make the same mistake..pay to become a conformist follower and not even learn reality…You guys have the opportunity to shape my StreetSmartsScore quiz as I am just getting started..It will be much better and use a much better provider but to get a glimpe you can see and have a question that you feel strongly about included:
    http://www.StreetSmartScore.com

59. Spot on. My son even tried skipping a year at school but went through with it a year later. Was older, loved by his mates and scored hot babes. Did firefighting training. Long story, but 33, no debt , owns properties and has a 1.5M property paid off and travels the world. How? Fireman, trade (self taught), buying and selling houses, starting own business. Oh and bloody hard work. Something Universities dont teach.

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