Girls

5 Consistent Benefits Of Night Game

311 Comments

Those readers who listen to Roosh’s excellent Kingmaker podcast will remember an episode from a couple of months back, The Death of Night Game. Here Roosh discussed the current state of night game in detail, concluding that conditions are significantly worse for guys going to meet girls at bars and clubs today than they were in the early 2000’s when he first started out. The reasons for this decline are varied, but certainly the rise of the Smartphone and various apps like Instagram, Facebook and Tinder have played a part by making real-life approaches somewhat less necessary to satisfy a girl’s overall desire for attention.

While I agree with many of Roosh’s conclusions in the podcast, it has long been my opinion that in order to extract the best possible results from the sexual marketplace men are well-advised to employ holistic game—that is, a mixture of day game, night game, social circle game and a little app game. In doing so, rather than relying on one “revenue stream”—day game, say—but instead having many you will see exponential benefits in your results.

That being said, I had personally been doing a little less night game just recently due to work commitments and so on. But in the last few weeks I’ve been going out to clubs and bars regularly, and so I wanted to share some general thoughts on night game from my own perspective.

1. There are a lot of targets in one place

The first point is an obvious one but also an important one. Walk into a good night venue and, rather like Charlie walking into Willy Wonka’s chocolate factory your eyes will widen and gleam with delight at all of the wonderful temptations on display.

Now, this is not to say that a day game session in a large city like London or New York doesn’t afford the same opportunities—or theoretically a greater number of opportunities. However, the issue is that outside your targets will be spread far and wide over a large geographical area, rather than contained within one specially-designed, restricted area

An average day game session in London will see me do ten approaches over two hours. Certainly it would be possible for me to do more, or to take less time over it, but a very real issue is finding enough girls that I actually want to approach. In the club on Saturday night I was able to work through twenty approaches in less than an hour, simply because there were that many more hotties within a relatively small radius.

2. Doing day game in tandem strengthens your night game

Hardcore day gamers who eschew night game entirely are missing a trick. Why? Because one of the huge peripheral benefits of day game that is not discussed as much as it should be is that it will massively improve your ability to approach and interact with girls in a nighttime environment.

The reason is simple. Cold approaching on the street on the daytime without alcohol is hard. Harder still is it to maintain a conversation for more than two minutes once you have stopped that girl. So if you can do that—or if you’ve done that 500 or 1000 times—then how much easier are you going to find approaching a girl in a club where there is at least some level of social expectation for you to do so.

It’s like this. In day game you not only have to get the girl to like you but you also have to get ground the interaction in such a way that she forgets that strangers meeting and hooking up in the daytime is—and let’s be honest here—not usual for the great majority of people. In night game you still have to get the girl to like you, but you are not going against any social grain in doing so since it’s very well established for men and women to meet in bars and clubs.

3. Girls can be more receptive to being approached

Which leads me onto my next, related point. While I think some guys are intimidated by bar and clubs because of the bright lights, loud music, cockblocks and bitchy girls, nevertheless in my experience girls can, on balance, be more receptive to being approached at night than in the daytime.

This isn’t to say that you’re not going to get the occasional bitch who holds her hand up dismissively when you tap her on the shoulder, but in general, if you have your shit together, are confident and well-dressed then girls will be friendlier to you, and less suspicious, than on the streets. The reason? Because you are not going against the grain of social norms like you are in day game. In this regard day game’s greatest plus point—the element of surprise it affords—is also its greatest flaw.

4. You can get sexual immediately, in the venue

Yes, day gamers will argue that you can get sexual in the daytime with girls you’ve just met in public toilets and so on, and you can and will pull same-day lays from the street, but in general with day game you are looking at a two-stage approach: get her phone number, set up a date for another time.

With night game it’s different. Again, because of the well-established and commonly-understood truth that part of the purpose of nightclubs is for hooking up, and because of the involvement of alcohol and sexy clothes, all things being equal it is far, far more likely that you will achieve quick and easy sex with a girl in or from a club that you will in the daytime. After all, sex in nightclub toilets is almost as common as one-night stands being pulled from clubs. Again, you are not going against the grain since sex is written into the very DNA of the nightclub experience.

5. It’s a fallacy that phone numbers from clubs are flakier than those from day game

There is an idea now prevalent in the community that it is a complete waste of time to ever get a girl’s phone numbers in a nightclub since unless you pull and sleep with her that same night then you will never see her again.

While it is doubtless true that your first course of action should always be to try to close the deal that same night there will be times when for whatever reason this is not possible. Perhaps she is getting a flight very early in the morning, or sharing a room with a friend, or otherwise has certain logistical issues that are not compatible with going home with you for sex that night. In a case like this you should absolutely get her number and follow up afterwards as normal.

In my experience phone numbers obtained from girls in clubs and bars can be flakey, yes—but probably less flakey than the majority of numbers taken during day game.

Again, I believe that this is because you are going with, rather than working against the girl’s societal programming. After all, there is nothing unusual about a girl meeting a man at a club and then hooking up with him at a later date. It may not be many girls’ preferred methods, but there is certainly nothing unusual about it. Plus, meeting in a venue that she likes will somewhat ground the interaction—‘It’s Troy from that cool club I love, Pacha’—in a way that just doesn’t apply with day game (‘It’s Troy from outside that Taco Bell near Union Square’)

Remember, in pulling context and narrative are very significant for the girl. Even for a one-off lay there has to be a narrative about how you and she met that she can tell herself that makes sense. In general creating that narrative around a random day game approach can be more of a stretch unless you really pull off the romantic Hollywood ‘cute meet’ thing with aplomb.

Inevitably this list has involved me pitting of night game against day game to some degree. I’m not trying to argue that one is inherently better than the other for pulling. That said, I do feel that day game has been afforded an almost mythical status recently in some quarters, as though it is the only valid form of game, whereas in fact the ROI it offers is not always that good. In truth, the most effective and balanced way for me to get great results with girls is to combine several forms of game concurrently. As I said at the start of this article, you likely wouldn’t rely on one revenue stream for your business, so why would you for your sex life?

Want to find out more about how to get great at game? Check out Troy’s book The 7 Laws of Seduction and follow him on Twitter.

Read More: The One Girl You Absolutely Must Approach Every Day 

311 thoughts on “5 Consistent Benefits Of Night Game”

  1. “Night game” for me is being in bed by 9:00 so I can be up before dawn to get to work. Actual plowing, not plowing poon.

    1. I agree with this. Improve yourself and the women will follow. It is usually a waste of time to go out of your way to get them.

      1. Not always , for some of us you can only improve yourself so much then you hit your 40s. Times a ticking . I chase pussy . Not successful most of the time but when I am it’s a great feeling

      2. They’ll follow the guys who go out to get them. Not dreamers like you who think women will magically appear on their doorstep.

        1. They can and do show up on the doorstep, but you have to done a lot of footwork for a long time prior to make that happen. If you get to the point where everybody in the joint knows you and treats you like a crown prince when you walk in, girls will tend to make a beeline to you. But that takes a lot of prep, sometimes years in the making.

        4. You misunderstand. I never said, “don’t get women”, I said, “don’t go out of your way to get them”. There is a subtle difference.

        7. If you want to attract women, you’ve got to have something going for you. I choose to get those qualities first. I have no problems going for women.

        8. There is no ranking here. You can do both at the same time and in fact learning game is much easier and better to do first than this so called self improvement you’re going on about. You’re procrastinating.

        10. I think he refers to the fact that you focus on yourself first and foremost and women will take notice. You certainly have to go out there and expose yourself, just don’t give the typical starving look that all women dread.

        11. To get started you need a drummer, bassist, a venue, and six female friends to watch. Ideally, girls you have already banged.

        13. Kinda yeah. Or being part of the acknowledged “cool kids” for a while and basically getting the establishment back you up on it.

        15. Dude you’re talking to a past master in this game. I started when I was 15 years old (which was late compared to my friends). One thing I have learned. Most chicks don’t give a shit about your self-focus, self-improvement and all that jazz. I’ve got it all. Education, great job, nice clothes blah de blah. They don’t give a shit. All they care about is if you give them the tingles when you talk to them.
          All that’s going to happen when you’ve finished self-improving is that you’re going to be old with no game and no pussy.
          Unless you self-improve your game. And there’s only one way that’s going to happen…

        16. What I am saying is that women should never be the main focus of any man. You let her know that you are THE catch; not the other way around. She already knows (or assumes) that you want her, thus it will only hurt your chances if you give her too much unwarranted attention.
          And you are right about the fact that women don’t care about personal status. If she likes you and can show her a good time, usually that is all it takes to bag her.

        17. True indeed but you’re preaching to the choir here. My issue is with the “build it and they will come philosophy”. Its not happening.

        18. Well, they won’t come without any effort on your part of course, but I have learned that if you focus on developing yourself at all levels it will help you even more than just learning game. You can be a deadbeat and still bag some chicks, but a dude that has his act together will outdo him any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

        21. This is true although this is more important if you want a girlfriend. If you’re in a club trying to bang this won’t matter. I’ve seen mail room workers splashing cash and giving the impression that they are high fliers when in fact they live in their Mom’s basement.
          And indeed I have pulled career women while living with my Dad. When women are trying to fuck, they don’t give a fuck about your CV.

        22. Well of course, its not only a matter of what a guy wants, know how to get it, but primarily where. But I can assure you that if you take a fat slob and a dude that is a dead ringer for Justine Bieber to a night joint, guess who is going to have the most fun at the end of the night all things being equal.

        24. Fuck off with the TRP spiel. Women don’t give a fuck about your self-improvement.

        25. Fuck off with the women show up bullshit. You have to go out to get them. Women don’t give two fucks what you put on the squat rack. Like Bob said, they care about whether or not you make them wet.

        28. Guess they “got” what they deserve and they are “where” they belong ! Way to go Bob !!

        31. A good ratio is something like 2/5 between past notches and new potential girls. I don’t like sloppy seconds even if it was mine lol.

        34. If you are a pussy, continue with your cock carousal with manginas ! or help yourself with MAN made Dildo, Vegetables or with lesbian peers !!, instead of typing comments here (or anywhere on [email protected]) !!

      3. For the love of God, learn red pill game. Otherwise, after you have “improved” yourself, the women “who follow” will be single moms, showing up to have you paying for their “lifestyles.”

        1. Exactly. Waiting for the women that show up is the dumbest thing I’ve heard in a while. Which ones show up? The ones 2 or 3 points below your own SMV. I’ll game for the chicks at or above my SMV. TRP faggots never admit this.

        2. Gaming your wife is a different ball of wax. Yes, you don’t need to go out so much, but there are things you need to work on.
          1) Be physically attractive (work out eat well)
          2) Recognize and properly respond to shit tests
          3) Be your own man (have a life of your own)
          4) Show that you can attract others. (women thrive off competition)
          5) Dress well
          6) Learn and use kino (touching her appropriately throughout the day)
          7) Flirt with and game her
          8) Be dominant in the bedroom
          9) Maintain the balance between being a pushover and a dominant asshole.
          10) Having fun (taking her out)

        3. Also, occasionally fuck her sister or her best friend, just in case she is blowing the mailman.

        5. My perspective may be skewed. My father first took me to a whorehouse when I was seven.

        6. Your perspective is perfect. Your father taught you everything you need to know about women.

        9. Women are just expensive whores. Might as well you find one for cheap, fuck her and leave, after all you just pay them so they will leave lol.

        11. The only losers are those who waste time on PUA sites to bang stupid bitches for free. Paying for sex is for people who don’t want to waste time chasing pussy so i’m not a loser at all & people who think like you are losers themselves.

  2. High end hotel bars once you reach your late 30s . Less noise , better dressed women , seductive decor, and sexual ambiance , all contribute to tickling women’s feelers.

    1. Ive found this too.
      There are destination chicks, but most important women on business trip staying at hotel.
      Comes down for “just one harmelss drink” after obligatory skype with hubbie and kids

    2. On vacation, with regards to the hotel environment, women no longer have the fear of being cast as a slut. Everyone’s social status is zero in the hotel bar. Also, the place is filled with dadbod slobs, so your competition is null. Keep lifting, and you can slay as long as they’re separated from the eyes of family and friends. Mothers are shameless, and as sad as it is, it seems nowadays women don’t give a fuck about loyalty anymore. If the girl is traveling alone, you’ve hit the jack pot.

    1. Last time I was in a club, “Wanted Dead Or Alive” was on the top 10 list on the radio and jackets had around 18 pockets on them, minimum. Clubs always put me off.

        1. And I’m wanted, dead or aliiiiiiiiivvveeee…..
          I actually like that song, it’s a great treat for karaoke for me.

        2. today’s mission: to respond to others comments in Bon Jovi lyrics

        3. Yep, me too, because I’m standing tall. I’ve seen a million comments, and I’ll rock them all!

        9. It’s popularity on raido in the 80s killed it for me. It was nice the first 2 or 3 ……..million times.

        10. I have a similar view of “Another One Bites The Dust”.

      2. My wife and I go out dancing on occasion. We will go to clubs, looking for that magical place that has a clean atmosphere, that isn’t geriatric or some teeny-bopper hangout because it doesn’t serve alcohol. Haven’t found one yet.

        1. We basically don’t even bother looking for that at all. We do, on occasion, hit the opera or theater, or (more likely) go out hiking, which is our preferred “together” thing. Scaled quite a few mountains with my girl and she’s said before “Wow, I know you must really love me, because you could have easily pushed me off the side of this mountain and nobody would have known”. Heh. Twue Wuv….

        2. Very difficult….
          We tried the ballroom route a few years ago and those shindigs are like pre-funerals…
          I mean, the place even smells like a wake…

        3. I am working on my wife to be more comfortable in the regular clubs, they have a little more energy. Lots of thirsty guys out there in those places. We prefer the fundraiser events, it is hit or miss though.

        4. I’d just as soon give it up. I get a littler, er, well…’distracted’ in these places, so I’m almost guaranteed to fuk up the night out.
          But generally neither of us like noise (she’s actually deaf in one ear) or people, so we don’t bother.
          There’s always the Latin stuff, dancing wise but those people are nukking futs!

        5. Understood, the “Saturday Night Fever” has all but disappeared. I remember my Grandma talking about the dance events during the Depression. Pretty much the whole town would turn up and socialize. TV has taken it’s place.

        6. Wife’s birthday is coming up and I lined up a babysitter so we can go to a quaint piano bar on the top floor of a hotel we like. After the last fiasco in the attempt to go dancing, I don’t think we will ever go to a club again (which suits me fine).

        9. “i take my wife out all the time – she still finds her way home”
          b-dump -TSHHHH!!

        11. We both like going out, but the venue is thin for our age group (+40) and most couples our age are to busy (tired) to go out.
          Somethiing funny happened recently. Wife’s (cute) friend has been wanting to go out with us for months and we set a date. When the day was fast approaching, her husband copped out. He told her she could go if she wanted, so wife asked if that was ok. “So let me get this straight, the three of us are going out in our evening threads? Two beautiful russian women and me? Oh, I have been fantacizing about that one for years.” LOL
          Needless to say, her friend cancelled in the end.

        13. I don’t understand couples my age. We have six little kids at home, and still make the time to go out regularly. For most couples in their 40’s, it is like pulling teeth to get them to do something fun.

        14. I see you must have attended the Jimmy Savile school of dating and social etiquette 🙂

        15. I know. I find most people don’t like breaking their routines. I get they are tired, but it doesn’t get easier as time goes on.

        19. Needless to say, her friend cancelled in the end.

          Lots of girls do that, even if you promise to go slow and have plenty of KY on hand.

        21. Ever hear the term “patience is a virtue”? If at first you don’t succeed, try, try again.

        23. That pic at the link is horrifying (the pregnant dudes). I gotta say, I looked kind of like that at one point. “Dadbod”…who comes up with these terrible euphemisms?

        24. Even if you looked like that, would you dare pose like that for some laughs (at you)? Western men have sunk, time to reclaim lost territory.

        25. I never lost THAT much of my dignity.
          On the topic of what Western men have lost, a lot of millennials seem to have lost all hope. Played a show this weekend and the opening band was a bunch of 20-somethings. Dang if they didn’t all just seem…defeated. They were very competent, musically, but I couldn’t dig it because their demeanor just seemed off. We play heavier music than they did but it was still somehow more uplifting.
          Lots of work to be done in reclaiming the West.

        26. I think the thing is to do it right from where you are. Invite your closest male friends for a regular game night, barbecue, or something. Keep the women out. Once it becomes established, invite some betas out. I think a large part of the problem is men allow themselves to become isolated by their wives. Once that happens, the constant barrage of feminist ideology from the media and society wears on any man.

        27. That sounds like our kind of date. My wife and I both love getting dressed up and going out for a night of ballroom dancing. Can’t beat it. Keeps the old spark alive.

      3. I always thought that bon jovi was spreading the premise of “Wanted Dead of Alive” a little thin. I get it, being a rock star is like being a cowboy. Their microphones really are “guns” and their tour bus was a “steel horse” People saw Bon Jovi and know to be careful because guitars were kind of like rifles if you pretend hard enough and they just might rock your face off.
        But the leap here is almost as wide as the leap that I had to take from chair to sofa when I was a kid pretending the floor was lava which, incidentally, was just as close to being true as Bon Jovi being a cowboy. Further, I never condescended to write a song about me rocking off faces on my magic couch boat and how much of a lava pirate it made me.
        I can’t deny it was a nice try on part of Jon Bon, but no one really thought he was a cowboy. As it turns out rockers and cowboys only have something in common when you change some words to have totally different meanings. They might as well have been singing about how they were firemen. Like the monitor speakers were firehoses…no, even better, they should have written a song about how they were Chewbacca and like the bus is a big spaceship and the “loaded” guitar on bon jovi’s back was a backpack full of C3PO parts, and the microphone is a big chunk of meat attached to an Ewok net —— actually, now that I think about it, being a rock star is EXACTLY like being Chewbacca.

        2. Dang, somebody has been *real* bored this morning, heh.
          All rockers did that pathetic “My life is hard” thing back in the day, you know that. Even Rush had “Limelight”. I found all such songs rather silly, because yeah, it must suck to make millions of dollars, get pussy thrown at you every waking moment and make your life’s entire pursuit basically sitting around singing with the boys. How terrible.
          But I still like the song and can match Jon’s voice note for note, which is always a big panty wetter. Even the young girls know this song, after all.

        6. apparently all the milfs when he was in HS would throw themselves at him.

        7. He was a good looking guy in his day, and his vocals are really tight, so he had a lot going for him, without question.

        8. I dunno, you go and look at his videos from that era, and he is very feminine acting, even for the glam rock era. Good music though.

        9. It was glam rock though, as you mentioned. Didn’t stop chicks from digging him in the least.

        10. I hated it at the time, but looking back objectively that dude has an uncommon vocal excellence.

        12. the key takeaway is he was a teen in the 1970s, and married women with kids threw themselves at him. women have always been the same

        14. every girl I knew in HS would have gladly stepped over my face to lick that dude’s crack.

        15. My wife loves his music, she was disgusted when I showed her a video.
          Not nearly as funny as when I showed my 10 year old daughter a Twisted Sister video though. You would have thought she was gut shot.

        22. I know it is a petty thing but I could never get over those stupid shorts and little shoes. In that era I liked the ramones and the sex pistols and misfits and later Social Distortion

        24. British punk was good. Our group was into Led Zepplin, Pink Floyd, and southern rock (Skynyrd, Molly Hatchet, Black Oak Arkansas, etc.)

        25. Same. We would have gotten along famously in our youth.

        26. O we loved Zepplin….’bout ten years past their heyday but who cared? Liked Hendrix too.

        29. I liked some Floyd but hated zeppelin. I accepted they were talented they just hit my ear wrong.
          Oddly enough I listened to a lot of Jim Kweskin and John Prine but a great deal of my music was much older blues from the Chess box sets

        30. I liked “The Wall” as much as any other suitably disaffected teenager, but I quickly found that in general Pink Floyd was the soundtrack to depression…
          In fact it was playing as I awoke with my very first hangover.

        31. Dark Side Of The Moon isn’t depressing to me, but it is mellow and a good album to listen to while chilling out on the back patio at night.

        32. “soundtrack to depression” very true, nothing like Niel Young though. I preferred upbeat stuff.

        36. Agreed…I did like shine on you crazy diamond, all the early stuff with sid Barrett and roger Gilmores guitar playing

  4. Yea, I found from previous articles that bettering yourself as a man makes women more wanting to talk to you than chasing them around

  6. is it me or those girls, except perhaps the last one, seem all fake or bitchy at the core, or cold (read : non friendly) or somewhat exhibit the famous 1000 cocks stare ..?

    1. Troy was considering posting pictures of Amish girls, but it didn’t quite seem congruent with his article.

        2. The trick is to hook the nicest lanterns to your carriage before going along with most of your family to pick her up for the barn raising. That always impresses.

        4. Probably very similar to the article on picking up on Mormon girls a couple days ago. If you manage to pull one, it is a safe bet that she will be a daddy’s rebel and be no good. The only way to do it proper is to jump in with both feet and become one yourself.

        5. lol but i live in the future fancistan.
          People will think i’m a gipsy instead.
          (and everybody hate gipsies here.)

        7. But then they wouldn’t be Amish. That’s their charm, they are raised to be proper and not sluts.

        1. I know what you meant….I still don’t like boring. I want to see a girl look at me like she is praying for my death and then make her love me.

        2. And then you throw her in a burning volcano, or something like that, i suppose ? lol
          joke apart, i understand that thrill of succeeding to reverse the emotion in somebody else. Double sense of victory, in a nutshell.

  7. Good Article Troy. I am not sure if you stated this but, scout and claim a spot. Just like in nature, you will appear that much more Alpha if you can stake claim to a space. That means making friends with the crew. Getting your drinks of choice down. Getting specific spots scoped for best vantage points. Learning how to open groups of people and making friends on the fly. If you can make friends on the fly, you can apply social circle game that much quicker. It is far easier to get a group of chicks if you already have a group of chicks. All in all, adding these and generating an air of fun and friendliness guarantees a good night at worst, and a few lay options if not the same day lay as best.
    Myself, I am a loner by choice. But being social, I love meeting people and notice doing this alone sets me up as Alpha since I am controlling my fun and by proxy, what others around me view as fun. Not only do guys get jealous because their women enjoy my company, their women help me get other women. And eventually we all have fun and make great connections, with me getting my lay. Everyone wins.

    1. That’s my outlook too. It’s easy to meet people in a natural environment and make friends. As your social circle expands, so do the available pool of women. The odds are also better that these women will be sane. To me, it just makes no sense to waste time and money just to get a one night stand.

      1. Exactly. It is hard not to appear try hard when you make the end of the night’s goal a lay. Women sense it and it gives them the advantage. If the goal is just fun, everyone is always open to having more fun. Wherever that leads, is up to two, or sometimes more, consenting adults.

        1. Thats defintiely the way to go. I always find I’m succesful when I go out to have fun and have women as a secondary goal. They usually end up first but theres a subtle difference.

        2. But women at the end of the night are expecting you to come down hard on them aren’t they? Thus you have to man up and let all the chips fall where they may. Usually they will go for it if your game is on point and they liked you just enough.

    2. I am not sure if you stated this but, scout and claim a spot. Just like
      in nature, you will appear that much more Alpha if you can stake claim
      to a space.

      Excellent advice. On bike night (which is, hey, tonight actually) I have a corner pre-staked that is mine and my crew (assuming that they show up, which is touch and go in April) and everybody already knows from years of seeing us there that it is “ours”. I even hung hooks under the wooden rail that runs around the patio where we hang out buckets of iced beer. It is *mine*. Heh.
      “Their” women to entice others is a solid pro tactic, btw, approved.

      1. Odds are high that since it is your spot, you likely get a bunch of women looking at you and your group questioning who you guys are and how you claimed a spot. Claiming a spot seems to be a natural aphrodisiac for women all its own.
        Have to say, the hooks are an excellent touch!

        2. When you get in tight with the management, anything is possible.

        4. Nice. I was trying to hook up a lift for my car and then they threw me out for no reason!

        6. Very few even run 220 out into the customer area any longer.

        8. It really does establish us as the “kool kids”. The hooks were a real coup, generally people don’t even go near the spot now, it’s a given that it doesn’t belong to them. Heh.

  8. The very few times I go out to the big club clubs here in NYC is usually when I am taken out by people I know through work, hang out in not always the most…er….savory of crowds, dress very well, spend a fortune and have connections out the wazoo. So if I go to Lavo or Monarch Rooftop or the Gansevort etc or even if I do an afternoon at Bagatelle I am usually with a group that walks right past the line, into the club to a table and is comped a bunch of stuff. Without that I couldn’t imagine going to a club. I just get annoyed by music, lights and people and that annoyance shows and nothing puts off a woman faster than a guy who isn’t enjoying himself. They come to men who look like they are having a lot of fun because they are out and want to have fun too.
    My night game consists, almost in total, of hotel bars like The Mark Bar, Bar Pleadies, Bemelmans, the champagne bar at the plaza or Two Bar at the Pierre. I find that everything Troy says about clubs above also holds true at the hotel bars, from the way people dress, to how the are responsive and everything in between…the only difference is that the ambient noise is a lot less and there is a touch more, lets say, class in the environment.

    1. I’ll have to give the hotel bar a shot. Sounds like the prime spot to meet layover business ladies who are looking to enjoy the night without going to far. Probably easier to head back upstairs too if the mood is right.

      1. that is there for sure….also there is a straight up late night crowd which is like a smaller version of a club crowd in most of the better hotels. The rooftop at the peninsula is also a great one.

      2. or just a restaurant with a bar- one by work, one by your home. Become a semi-regular, you can have some luck there

        1. I love restaurant bars. THis is my usual hunting night. I go out solo to dinner at a restaurant and sit at the bar. It is usually a place I know and, more importantly, knows me. If I find someone worth taking for a drink there are a hand full of places I go that are nice to bring someone and if I don’t there are a hand full of hotel bars I go to that are good for meeting someone.

    2. Hotel Game is actually great. I’ve to do it more often. I only did it once on holiday. The logistics are simply perfect. You can literally pick them up to your hotel room.
      I remember seeing this 19 y/o russian girl on the bar. After some talking I heard that she was there with 2 other female friends, who were boring (ugly fatties) and didn’t want to go out. yada yada yada, after some vibing I told her to go to my room to see the great view from my room. (We had the same view from our rooms. Oh and you just could see the parkhouse lol.) Just for the sake of avoiding her Anti-Slut-Defense.

      1. See baby? That is one fine looking parking lot…..man, just beautiful.

    3. Clubs in general are not what they used to be – separate ROK articles on this already. One thing discussed that I also noticed is that clubs in the US are louder than ever, since club owners know if it’s too loud to talk, people tend to drink more. Stats bear this out.
      Add to this shitty ratios, DJs that often aren’t even that good, etc. etc. Never mind the few girls present are so busy looking at their phones, where they really interact with the guys they’re interested in. The guys who do well in clubs are almost always massively preselected via local celebrity status and big balling with bottle service. Not a cheap experiment given table prices at the best clubs.
      This part though: “In the club on Saturday night I was able to work through twenty approaches in less than an hour, simply because there were that many more hotties within a relatively small radius.” I suspect unless it’s an enormous club, you’re going to get tagged as an annoying approach monkey by about the fifth or sixth go-round. How did it go for number twenty, did she already know your name by the time you rolled up to her?
      Most importantly for me, with all that noise it’s difficult to game – Ross Jeffries totally avoids them for his approach. He put it aptly: “Bars and clubs are where guys go to get rejected and chicks go to get free drinks.” For a young guy who wants to cover all his bases and figure out what works for him, sure, try it out, but you’ll probably find there’s definitely more efficient uses of your time & money.
      Hotel bars are a better bet, just watch out for pros masquerading as regular single female customers.

      1. Hmmm, whatever happened with Ross? I bought his book back in 1993 so it’s now been about 24 years. I see he has a website but I wonder if he’s still out there fighting the good fight with his gray hair…
        Best bet: happy hours. The booze is cheaper (and people drink more of it) and lots of cheap food. There’s also a healthy crowd of people just there to have a good time so it’s easy to blend in.

    1. understandable, you gotta hold onto what you got though. doesnt make a difference if you make it or not.

        2. Nay, ’tis Bon Jovi- the first line off the first song on the slippery when wet album (“Let It Rock”). You guys are in my wheelhouse on this one.

        3. Somebody get the Bactine, ‘cuz Cheeseburgercheeseburger has been burned!

        4. Thats awesome! my knowledge of the Jovi canon is limited to 5 songs(this not being one)

        6. The best bar band I ever saw would do that song- absolutely rocking. They also did a Motley Crue medley and Thunder Kiss ’65. Good times, good times.

      3. the world don’t move to the beat of just one drum. what might be right for you, may not be right for some.

    2. I am with you on the smell of beer. A woman with a beer in her hand is immediately put on the DNF list

      2. What I was trying say – I dont find bars or clubs to be pleasant environments to be in. At this point I enjoy walks, bike rides, just being outside. The whole hook-up culture to score notches at this point has no meaning to me. Maybe its my age, or maybe cause Im happy with my long-term GF.
        I

  10. The last time I went to a nightclub, almost all of the women weren’t worth targeting.

      1. The famed Arkansas Foot Stompin’ Hoot N’Hollerin’ Gatherin’ Spot.

        4. The beauty of that joke is that it worked on two levels. The silly suburban and city kids all laughed at how silly those rural folk are, while on the other hand, there actually are two distinct styles, one called country and one called Western and they are in fact different in many aspects. So it was the writers jabbing both hicks AND “know it all” know nothing people.

        6. Yep. I love jokes like that because neither side realizes that the joke is on both of them.

        7. A guy from NYC, who made a killing in the market, built a house in rural Arkansas far away from anyone to get away. The contractors had to actually build a dirt road first in order to build the house. Months go by and the guy enjoyed the
          seclusion and privacy until one day there was a knock at the door. Upon opening, there stood a hillbilly (missing a few teeth) saying,
          “As you’re new to the neighborhood, I thought you might like to come to the community party tonight.”
          Mr. NYC: “What type of party? What usually goes on there?”
          Hillbilly: “Oh lots of things. Dancing. Card playing. Drinking. A fight or two. Kissing. And most likely some sweet love makin.”
          Mr. NYC: “Sounds great! I actually was getting kind of lonely and think socializing is just what I need. What’s the dress code at these parties?”
          Hillbilly: “Ton’t matter at all what you wear. It’s just goin’ to be you and me.”

        8. Modern country is not country, it is some pop/country hybrid. I refuse to listen to any country on the radio, except this one AM classic country station that I know of.

        9. I will go so far as to posit that “country” as we know it has filled in where pop/rock used to be before it died.

        10. They’ve done to country in the 21st century what they did to rock in the 1980’s. Made it all bubblegum and pop. The men are warbling pussies who cry about their women and tell you that they personally own a hat and pick’em up truck, and the women are almost universally telling you how they either want to physically harm their man, or how they want to experiment with being a lesbian.
          It’s not even vaguely related to actual original country.

  11. Best time for a restorative sleep is in the hours before midnight. Why waste it on women?
    Humor of the day.
    If you want to make a woman nervous, just put her in a room with a hundred hats and no mirror.

  13. Dang, I’m glad I’m married and don’t have to do the dancing monkey routine anymore. So much wasted time and money.

    1. You can’t take money to the grave with you. I know people who slaved and saved every penny and then were diagnosed with cancer in their 50s. That money quickly disappeared .

      1. No, but it doesn’t need to be squandered in an ignominious fashion, either. I lament the loss of dignity more than the loss of money, to be honest. Of course, I get laid much more now than I did in my club-going/boozing/skirt-chasing days…which is what I was really after anyways.

        1. Good for you. But you got to keep it quiet or the wife might find out.

        2. Easy, now! One of the benefits of being force-fed the red pill through divorce rape: wife 2.0 is 15 years younger and can keep up with me.

        3. Many of us would have preferred a nice wife and a happy home life but didn’t get so lucky. Yes it takes time and money to chase pussy but the process is fun. While chasing the gash I’ve learned to country dance, learned fashion, kept fit, and had fun moments with friends. It has come with its boring and disappointing moments as well .

        4. So you’ve lost money as well from a woman ? 2.0 could be a risk to your finances as well . It’s all a risk .

        5. It is. Nothing ventured, nothing gained, though. A co-worker who was on his fourth marriage called it “the triumph of hope over experience.” Truth.
          That said, I was (by her account) my current bride’s first…which explains a lot. Two years in, I’ve totally trained her. It’s been amazing.

        6. Wonderful. I wish you the best. I’ve met a few who are potential wives but I’m not holding my breath. They seem to disappoint me in the end .

        7. Yep. Hold out for a good one. My opening disqualifies were “no tats, no fats, no brats.” Saved me a lot of trouble even while dating. I think “no hymen, no diamond” should go in there as well.
          Good luck to you, sir.

        9. I met a few who were great wives, they just needed a little side dick

        12. as the man with the mustache said, hope was what was in pandoras box. Hope is the worst of all evils as it prolongs the torments of man.

        14. HA! I would say that if we are so smart why are we alive?

        18. Damn that was savage . One of my plates told me the other night that she had been closed for business since the last time we broke up. I responded that I’ll violently fuck her so it won’t count against her temporary celibacy . She said I need to calibrate my vocabulary but that she will consider my proposal

      2. I guess going to stuffy night clubs and banging STD girls is the healthy option. I see.

        1. They all don’t have stds. I never said I know the best option. I’m saying everything including marriage is a risk. Believe me if I had all the answers I wouldn’t be here . I’m posting my experiences

  14. The closest I’ve gotten to a nightclub in the last 30 years was the Full Throttle Saloon back in 2015, which was *fucking amazing*. 31 days after I visited it, it burned to the ground. So I guess basically I’m not cut out for clubbing.

    1. something similar happened to me right after I went club hopping in downtown Gomorrah

        2. I used a cigarette fuse. Took me eighty packs of Winstons, but the end result was worth the effort.

  15. As always Troy you cut through the crap and get right to the heart of the matter. For me it’s “Always On Game”. I once picked up a chick at a finance seminar. Anywhere, anytime is good.

    1. Good plan. Errol Flynn was always on too. He picked up a 19 year old clerk while in the courthouse for his trial on charges of the statutory rape of two 16 year old girls. Heh. True story.

      2. Nice.
        There were several truck-loads of empty vodka bottles at his hollywood party house…

        1. He lived a good life. Even in the end he was womanizing and boozing like a pro. He even made really sad, pathetic movies into something good. He single handedly brought “The Sun Also Rises” out of a rousing case of the doldrums through his role in it.

        1. I think he wrote or was writing an autobiography titled, and I’m not making this up, “In Like Me”. lol

        2. I believe that book was titled “My Wicked, Wicked Ways”. But he wanted to call it, “In Like Me”. You gotta admire that kind of confidence. That dude was the real deal…
          Here’s his IMDB bio, where the “In Like Me” story is mentioned, among other interesting tidbits:
          http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001224/bio

        3. Well there you go. I read about him many moons ago, always found him a really interesting man.

        4. He got more top-shelf pussy than a Beverly Hills gynecologist. Supposedly he was a British agent, too. I admire that guy. One of his nicknames was “Satan’s Angel”. Heh. That says it all.

        5. Yeah, if I were going to be a man in that era, it would be either him or Clark Gable.

        6. Can’t go wrong with either choice there…I’d take a stab at being Johnny Stompanato for a wild weekend or two…pre-Lana Turner days, of course…

  16. Hooters – dumb, horny, young, willing, good-looking sluts.
    Second only to strip clubs in my book…but admittedly my book is dirty.

        2. Bragging time. I’m gonna hang out with a 21-year-old Hooters girl on Thursday night, who just got back from Coachella. She went on and on last night about how awesome it was. She went with 14 other people – 13 of them were dudes. That’s all I needed to know.
          After she told her Coachella story, I immediately showed her my LinkedIn page, and the game was over. She got excited and asked me to “hang out” with her Thursday night after her Hooters bikini contest at 7:00 p.m.
          The perks of being an older dude with a few notable accomplishments are plentiful…meaning, work on yourself and stack up accomplishments and you won’t need game – women will use game on you. Bragging time is over now.

        4. Grazie, my friend. “I don’t go after pussy often…but when I do…I prefer Hooters sluts.”

    2. I got a new hooters 5 minutes away from my house, but I’m unable to run game there. The waitresses are always hustling and running, I guess I’ll start hanging out at the bar more often and try to get a few to sit down and talk

  17. The pictures in this article made me sad. Most girls where I live look like fucking shit.

  18. What about being able to sex within 30 minutes to a couple hours of the initial interaction?

  20. The women in my city do not look like the pictures above. It’s usually land whales, over the hill wrinkle has beens and occasional groups of plain janes.

    1. Where do you live? I’m in SoCal and I see fairly attractive women often.

      1. You can’t compare SoCal to the MidWest though. I used to live in Long Beach, CA, and yes, saw attractive women everyday. But I’ve recently moved to Saint Louis,MO. The quality of women here is drastically lower. Nothing but fat single moms here.
        I used to love going out at night to bars and clubs in LA, Hollywood, Newport, Long Beach, etc and picking up hot women. But here in Saint Louis it’s just depressing how unattractive the women are.

        2. but MidWest/Missouri is more conservative than California, shouldn’t conservative women be more feminine and stressing their beauty more than liberal women?

  22. Night game and online game have been my strongest types of game, even though social circle game is not far from’em. I’ve met a whole lot of girls that I’ve no clue what their names were even when I banged them. For instance a young Swedish single mom just outside a club. And this other Swedish girl. And then another. And then another ad nauseam. And then all the Japanese oh my Shinto god, could it be Akiko? Or Kaori? Very vague.

  23. I have a feeling this article failed to impress me since my reaction to the photos was “God damned degenerate whores”. I’m too far gone for this shit.

  24. Humm.. Those silicon barbies pictured above do not interest me at all…
    First in bed a rubber doll would be more responsive ?? Second they have a narcissistic personality !! So you are free to them ! No competition from me !

    1. There is always a price to pay if you want to bang pretty girls. But the fact that most times you gotta jump through hoops just to get your foot in the door is a non-starter to me. Pass.

      1. Julio.. 99% of pretty girls are as responsive to a good banging as a rubber doll ! They are narcissistic & worry about her hair do ??

        1. Yep, that’s the way it is on most instances. Now, treat them like crap and they will love you, guaranteed.

        4. Just a clue of how women think & act ?
          Husband/Wife Store
          THE HUSBAND STORE
          A store that sells new husbands has just
          opened in New York City, where a woman may go to choose a husband. Among
          the instructions at the entrance is a description of how the store
          operates.
          You may visit the store ONLY ONCE! There are
          six floors and the attributes of the men increase as the shopper
          ascends the flights. There is, however, a catch: you may choose any man
          from a particular floor, or you may choose to go up a floor, but you
          cannot go back down except to exit the building!
          So, a woman goes to the Husband Store to find a husband…
          On each floor the signs on the doors read:
          Floor 1 – These men have jobs.
          Floor 2 – These men have jobs and love kids.
          Floor 3 – These men have
          jobs, love kids, and are extremely good looking. “Wow,” she thinks, but
          feels compelled to keep going. She goes to the fourth floor and sign
          reads:
          Floor 4 – These men have
          jobs, love kids, are drop-dead good looking and help with the housework.
          “Oh, mercy me!” she exclaims, “I can hardly stand it!” Still, she goes
          to the fifth floor and sign reads:
          Floor 5 – These men have
          jobs, love kids, are drop-dead gorgeous, help with the housework, and
          have a strong romantic streak. She is so tempted to stay, but she goes
          to the sixth floor and the sign reads:
          Floor 6 – You are visitor
          3,261,496,012 to this floor. There are no men on this floor. This floor
          exists solely as proof that women are impossible to please. Thank you
          for shopping at the Husband Store.
          THE WIFE STORE
          Floor 1 – has wives that doesn’t nag !
          Floor 2 – has wives that love sex and doesn’t nag !
          The third through sixth floors have never been visited.

        5. You actually had me laughing pretty hard with this! But that in a nutshell details how different men and women are. And yes, the more you give them, the less complacent they become. In my experience, treat them nicely for the most part, but every now and then throw them for a loop a bit to keep them in check and interested at the same time.

        6. Just to show, that men are easily satisfied !
          No nagging & love sex !
          Like an old woman during her 60th marriage anniversary was asked , what made her marriage successful ??
          Answer. “Keep his stomach full & balls empty” !

        7. Men are really minimalist. We don’t need much to strive in life as you rightly pointed out. That old lady knows her stuff. She should go out there and teach all those spoiled brats how a man must be treated.

  25. If only the majority of chicks one encounters in the clubs were as pretty as the chicks in this article. That’s what always kept me away from the night venues. Many promotions done for clubs be it commercials or video or events, the hotties there were paid to be at such a locale, to give the false impression that there were women worth banging.

  26. I agree that numbers are less flakey in night game. You can make a stronger impression by your ability to get more sexual earlier combined with her intention to meet men by going there in the first place.
    The problem with night game is that it takes up a lot of time and you’ll have to dedicate many, many hours to it. With day game you can do it concurrently with your everyday activities, for instance, I often work better outside than inside, which provides the side benefit of girls to approach.
    That and I hate have to dealing with groups. The biggest upside to day game is you can get them alone. Nevertheless I agree that if you want to really get laid, night game is better – if you can find the right spots. Going into some random bar isn’t going to provide you with tons of desirable girls, in my experience.

  27. Say what you want about night game, it’s good practice for kino and escalating it fast.

Comments are closed.