167 thoughts on “6 Reasons Why I Probably Won’t Get Married”

1. Roosh, I really get you, on ALL of your points.
   Best luck on your quest.

   1. Guys canabdvshouldvwait until they’re truly ready. We don’t have a clock.
      30,40,45 is fine and we can still have children. I’d prefer my sons wait. You’re giving up a little bit of energy but I feel great at 50. Still banging the old day 3-4x week and twice On Saturday.
      If I had to do it over again these days, I’d find an eastern euro girl or worst case, a traditional catholic or Mormon gal ( low divorce rates).
      That’s Just me
      Marriage wedlock is for children. Nothing else. You don’t need a license and I advise against it.

   2. Only one reason …… you don’t have enough money to buy a woman a house.
      It really isn’t your choice.

      1. I can’t say that there’s no truth to this.

   3. Roosh, I was one of the extremely few men fortunate enough to marry a GenX wonderful Christian woman who enabled me to make both educational and financial gains I simply could not have done alone in such a short period of time. I am 36 now, and widowed – we were happily married 12 years and I got married when we were both age 22, in a simple, but joyful ceremony at church. She accepted the Biblical nature of marriage (patriarchy, not complementary fake Christian nature of marriage) and yes, there were challenges, but nothing we did not overcome together. Male headship is what made whole thing work so well for both of us.
      Lately, when asked if I am going to get married again, my answer is a vocal, strong, and unequivocal: ABSOLUTELY NOT!!!!!!! They usually get surprised and ask “but weren’t you happy and successful the first time around?”. My answer: “Yes, but no one wins that lottery jackpot twice in their life”. I got lucky once, my chance of doing that, in out Feminist messed out society are extremely low. I would have to marry a post-prime woman due to feminist-minded age restrictions on men-women marital ages, then have to put my whole life at risk for her. And because I get the true of the “modern Christian woman” now, I know my odds are not good. Christian women are rapidly becoming Feminist-Christian, which is an oxymoron, but the trend is going that way fast, even in the Southern Baptist churches, which have allowed this Fem-Christian cancer to spread in its core values.
      But the issue is not so much the odds of finding another such woman being so low (winning the marriage lottery again). The issue for me is the financial and legal RISKS are simply insanely high for a man. When I married my late wife so young, we had nothing and built it all up from very little. She even worked FT for years while I worked PT and took classes at night. We made huge sacrifices for each other, including delaying kids until our mid-30s so we could be financially stable and she could be a stay-at-home mom.
      How often do you know married couples like that today??? When I tell people, even Christian couples, about our marriage, they ask if I am 50+ and just look to be in my 30s! 😮
      For me, to jeopardize my life’s HARD WORK, financial stability, and my late wife’s sacrifices… and put that all at the whims of a new woman and the capriciousness of a family court judge is insane! To get married today is to hand a woman a “permission slip” to gain weight, act b!tchy, to threaten divorce, to cheat, and much more. Not only that, once you marry a woman or she moves with you permanently, she can criminally accuse you of anything her lil’ mind comes up with and your life will be ruined. An arrest only (no conviction) is to lose your Professional permits, lose all your guns, lose your job (possibly), thousands in attorneys fees, she gets a Restraining Order to prevent me from coming back to my own house, and a lifetime criminal arrest on any $1.99 background search websites, if not a conviction and prison.
      Think about it this way: even if she does not divorce-rapes you or falsely accuse you criminally, but you are handing her a loaded gun and a permit to kill or severely cripple you anytime she wants. She may have that gun in her nightstand and you will always know she can use it against you anytime she damn well wants. Who is up for that? 🙄
      Marriage today is NOT what Christian marriage was 30 or 50 years ago. It is a legal deathtrap for men. The legal and criminal risks are too much. I can sacrifice and stay with a great woman for life and grow old with her. But that is unlikely to happen in today’s America with divorce so easy, cheap, and beneficial to men and the risks for men being so overwhelming.
      The solution is simple. Do NOT to marry. Mini-relationship, LTR, or have an out-of-wedlock kid… or whatever. But marriage is male self-genocide.

      1. ChristianCool
         Powerful commentary. I concur with most all your comments. I’ve never been married, but have seen a great deal, much of it, not good. Look at all the people that are unable to keep their relationships together (Brad Pitt/Angelina Jolie) and Ben Affleck addiction problems and hundreds, make that thousands of others, both famous and regulars joes. I’m handsome, educated, very fit, have my own home, animals, have it together and live a good life. I’ve been off and on with online dating sites over the last four years and can’t fucking do it anymore… which is why the ‘returnofkings’ article ‘4 Things I’ve Learned About Online Dating’ resonated with me. I made roughly six posts under “Disgusted with Cheeseburger Women.” I did love a woman once and still do, but she lives far away. I’ll never see her again. A relationship to me is about complementing one another’s life not tearing it apart. I don’t need the constant stress of a mismatched relationship, trying to make something real that’s not, and my peaceful life turned upside down with the real possibility of financial ruin by so many of the women out there today, many of whom are unstable. A recommendation is to tread cautiously. I’m debt free, financially secure and wish to avoid a nut job changing my status. I’m responsible. The point is a lot of people (men and women) don’t have it together today. It would be with great trepidation and an abundance of caution that I would allow a woman into my life, because frankly I don’t think I trust 90% of them. I walk through the minefield of men women relationships today with great caution always with my mine detector out in front of me. It is what it is. I didn’t created this environment, but want to avoid becoming a casualty. One thing I’m greatly appreciative about is that I never got involved with so many of the loser women I’ve come across in online dating. All it takes is just one to totally screw up your life, like tossing a lighted match into a container of gasoline. Bottom line for me is that I’d rather be single and mostly happy over being hooked up with a nut job and be miserable. I could write a book on this subject matter. I also far prefer European to American women for they know better how to appreciate a man. I’d describe most American women as spoiled, undisciplined with a sense of entitlement who lack self-awareness. So why would I want to marry one? You see the same women in online dating over two, three years. Why, it’s validation for them. The vast majority are so fucked up they’re beyond any help, yet they are content to sit there soaking up the accolades. “Pure unfiltered attention anytime anywhere, on tap, with no effort on their part required. Better than cocaine to a female.“ The above quote was borrowed from another user on another site on this subject. It is powerful commentary. I wish I had a better answer for myself and the readers. I at minimum have the truth going forward and it means a lot.

         1. @ Women and Men
            Sadly, our society still views marriage as the Christian-based lifetime commitment with 1950s glasses. The reality is that marriage is a way for Feminists to realize their “I can have it all!” fantasies and to enrich themselves after a lifetime of bad decisions. They bang bad boys from ages 15-40 and then expect some naive/desperate Beta to pick up the crumbs and then get [email protected] and have his wealth and future wages confiscated by the courts. Everyone goes for a free ride on that taxi and the last fool in picks up the tab.
            Like you, I am a solid 8 in looks, very very fit physically, pretty boy-style who often gets accused by women to be a player, which works fine, actually. When asked if I am a player, I just give them the grin and ask “why would you say that?” (bigger grin), but never answer the question. This is like hooking a fish by the line. Financially, my late wife and I worked very hard and I did “the right thing” financially and if we had a society that was sane and stable, I would easily, and I mean easily be “top marriage material” for a great woman today (I was married 12 years and not divorced, Christian women in their 30s love that). But most women, with a lifetime of bad decisions as their “carry-on baggage” just want to marry a man (quickly) to help them raise their kids or for financial security.
            At church, a lot of older married women come up to me and say “oh, you should meet ____, she is my (relationship). She is great, she is having such a hard time finding a good Christian husband… blah blah”. I AVOID that trap completely. I learned my lesson, relationships form women at church playing matchmaker = hell for me when relationship ends. I get 100% of the blame for everything (i.e. not trying enough or “being mean” to her or “just using her”). 🙄 Stay away from church matchmakers unless you are very serious about marriage.
            One word of advice: “opposites attract” is referring to magnets, not humans. Find a woman who shares your religion and personal political beliefs, or you will live in a constant state of war at home. We live in a polarized country; everything is political (movies, music artists we like, food choices, TV stations we like, etc). Having SAME political and religious beliefs is a must, not optional anymore! ❗
            My late wife was a mess when I met her, but I was a kid, 22 years old and so was she. We both shared Conservative political ideas and very strong Christian beliefs. We got together early enough in life that I could mold her into the woman she later became and it ONLY worked because she accepted Christian Headship, meaning male-led household. When I was tired and wanted to give up on my dreams, she helped me back-up because she said “you are the leader of our home, I need you not to give up”, etc. I have to say, if she was not already a Christian Conservative from middle class family from “middle America”, there is 0% chance it would have worked out. I would be here as another divorced man.
            What do you think my odds of finding another woman like that NOW that I am 36?? Extremely low, probably closer to 0%. And IF I found such a woman again, do I have the willingness to risk EVERYTHING financially to see if we could make that marriage work??? My logical brain says no. A romantic me 15 years ago would have said “it is possible”, but now, I see, the odds are heavily against me, and the risk-benefit is just not there.
            The problem men like us have is that despite our good intentions (and bringing a lot to the table) and willingness to “exclusively date” a woman, women ARE inherently emotionally unstable. PJ Media did an article called “5 Ugly Truths About Women That Young Men Need to Recognize”. That is one of best articles I have read in years about women’s mindset and young men should understand these 5 facts about women and avoid much suffering later in life.
            Like you, my trust of women have declined to a point I have the mindset of a Ukrainian woman has when dealing with Ukrainian men. Distrust, then verify to see what is truth. Not a good situation, but I think as men enter their 30s, we change the way we think and see life more clearly, since our sexual nature begins to be overtaken by a more rational one.
            When you say “European women” are you talking Eastern European???
            Another suggestion for you: consider mini-relationships with women rather than looking for something long-term/serious (LTRs). This has become my new strategy, since I do NOT allow a woman to move in with me (I am finishing law school and living in a “common law marriage” State) and I just “roll with it” until the “cost of ownership” gets too high (i.e. demands ofr marriage or move-in), so we split up and I try to move into another mini-relationship, some of which can last many many months. For a guide on this very effective model: http://www.rooshv.com/the-rise-of-the-mini-relationship
            Also, I am curious… what is your current dating strategy? I currently do an 80/20 system, where I do 80% in-person approaches (mainly in grocery stores, clothing stores, and entertainment venues, like at Comedy club) and 20% online game.
            The online game, I agree with you, has become a huge waste of time lately but it is my “when I have time” thing. I sometimes try the ChristianCafe site, but it is religious based, but works for mini-relationships well. Tinder is NOT a dating app, it is a hook-up app all the eay and lately has become full of losers. Even the “dating-only apps” are for hook-ups. There is no such thing as a “dating app” on a SmartPhone. Dating = actual website where you have to put in time/effort geared for a LTR/mini-relationship you start in-person or via website, where actual interests and personality are matched. But even dating sites should be secondary to in-person approaches (they work well).
            Hope you have better luck and consider mini-relation model, it works very well for me. I have given up on LTRs, but the mini-relationships work well

2. #5 and #6
   It’s impossible to have these with any female occupying the same space as you.

3. I can relate wholeheartedly. I’m misophonic, so even a little bit of background noise can throw me off. I’d suggest earplugs for Roosh or anyone else who’s a light sleeper.
   My family doesn’t even ask why I’m single. They just sort of “know.”

4. The law of large numbers certainly means that there’s tens of thousands of compatible women for you out there. Knowing yourself as you do and finding a companion who comports with your desires is to my mind as much art as it is science. Probably far more art. That being said I’ve been with my wife 35 years. I had one nonnegotiable and that was she had to be a virgin. A close second was ideological compatibility. And right behind that was that she had to want to bear children happily and willingly. It goes without saying she had to appeal to me physically, which she did the first time I saw her. 35 years later she still looks pretty damn good. Oh, and all three of our children are red pilled, for lack of a better description.

   1. That was then. This is now.
      I’m happy for you that you’ve maintained for yourself a satisfactory marriage, but for those contemplating marriage in the present day, the rules (and laws) have changed, and all in the woman’s favour.
      It’s a topic that’s been dealt with ad nauseam on this site and elsewhere, so we won’t dwell upon it in detail. Suffice to say – paraphrasing Tom Leykis – that other than having (legitimate) children, there is no benefit for the man in contracting a marriage, none whatsoever.
      Sad, but that’s the way it is now.
      Just a thought.
      VicB3
      P.S. I hope you at least have a Pre-Nup or similar. This is raining on your parade here, but the divorce courts are awash with cases of couples that were “happily” married for decades, only to have the wife suddenly file for divorce and the resultant joint property and spousal support payout.

      1. I agree, there’s been a sea change since 1983. Much of the early 70s feminism was still germinating back then. Today we see it in its full born manifestation. Sadly, I would have strong reservations about marriage if I was a young man today. Most intelligent young men see it this way too. That leaves the dumbasses to breed like rabbits. Even the bright ones like my Chicago copper buddy is married, but refuses to have children given his Birdseye view of the hell that is Chicago. Thus going forward we’ll witness the literal devolution of the species. Kinda what Fred Reed is alluding to with his latest piece.

      2. I don’t know how other jurisdictions work, but in Canada marriage vs common law are very different upon dissolution of the relationship. Marriage works as you describe, with the richer party owing equalization payments on everything. Common law is basically you take with you what you brought. Even with respect to the “marital home”. If your partner moves into to your home, they may be able to claim some compensation for bills etc they paid while living there, but there’s no taking half the property value. Child support works the same whether or not the parties ever lived together.

      3. Coda to Roosh:
         Every guy goes through this shit. Usually in the 30 to 40 year old scheme of things. You’re right on schedule. Don’t despair. You’re no different than any other guy who’s noticing his first gray hairs.
         So relax. Be yourself. Be positive. And in so doing, being quietly in charge of your life, you’ll attract others. And in turn, that mean that you’ll eventually meet somebody – female – that wants to be be with you. And with whom you want to be yourself.
         When you’re not looking for it, it finds you.
         Oh, and happiness must be earned.
         Really.
         Just a (sympathetic) thought.
         VicB3

      4. Vic, a Prenup is a false sense of security. It CAN help reduce Alimony, and MAYBE protect some of the value of your pre-marital property, but a Family Law Judge (an Emperor in Black Robes) can throw out the prenup for any reason at anytime.
         Once you are in divorce proceeding, your life, income, future, freedom, and legal rights belong to that one judge. One false move and she (the judge) will ruin your life.
         A Prenup, even one that is enforced to the T by a family law judge (and odds are greatly against you on that since judges in Family Law are overwhelmingly Left), the Prenup only covers PAST owned property. Any appreciation in value to your existing/prenup protected home listed in the Prenup is 50% HERS. Any new deposits in your 401(k) account + any future increase in value is 50% hers. You buy a new house during marriage, 50% (or more) hers. That new house (and even your prenup-covered house) can be 100% hers if she falsely accuse you of violence against her and/or kid(s) and she uses the police to evict you from home. Once you are forcibly removed from the home, she is almost guaranteed the house in divorce. If you have kids with her and she calls cops on you, she is almost guaranteed 100% of house and 100% child custody. You will see your kids, maybe when your ex- is in good mood, by Skype.
         Divorce is incredibly profitable, beneficial, and almost completely painless for women. For a man, it is lifelong ruin. Unless you have one of the 3 extremely narrow reasons to marry (importing foreign woman at your own peril; marrying very rich woman; marrying into religion and living within a religious community like Amish or rural Utah Mormons), do not get married.
         I will say this as many times as I have to. Unless you hate yourself or are under the extremely narrow 3 exceptions above: Do NOT GET MARRIED.
         I am a broken record on this point, I know….

   2. In this situation which is common with an entrepreneur man who travels, two wives situated at a ‘home base’ somewhere on the globe would be ideal. One, a masseuse trained woman who can kneed out the knots after a long flight and who can also kneed dough in the kitchen, and the other woman a librarian type with a good lexicon perhaps who can keep it quiet yet read your mind and facial expressions when you’re looking for that right word or phrase in writing. Otherwise she sits peaceful knitting or sewing. This is home base mind you and they don’t stray since they’re satisfied with themselves engaging in ‘wives play’ with each other while the master is away. They keep themselves and the place clean and licked like cats.
      For travel you have a third housemember woman who is very short and small frame. A light package that doesn’t compromise weight restrictions for carry on luggage. A highschool sprinter and swimmer that can keep up with you darting to terminals and who can give you head right under the food tray in a cramped Embraer or DC 9 without being noticed. A featherweight pyramid top girl from the highschool cheerleading squad comes to mind. Best bet would be a chaste parochial school girl whom you abscond with.
      There it is. The one-two-three solution and it blends a wide array of feminine attributes and skill sets. A perfectly matched team can’t be assembled overnight though. It’s like shopping for shoes that have to last a lifetime in a huge mega shoe mall. You’d be there all day trying on many and likely you’d leave at closing with one pair. You’d have to break those puppies in with a few miles of pavement pounding before adding your next pair. You just have to keep mindful of the larger plan and realize you’re not bound to one pair of shoes like a Japanese foot bound domestic slave. You’re not the domestic slave. Remember that. You’re the patriarch. And they’re not slaves either when they love their role and each other.
      Honestly no one woman could fit the bill for all the attributes needed to complement a worldly man who has more going on than a factory slave or coal miner. The reason polygyny is outlawed in the west is because the west itself has been outlawed. Basic liberty and nature gets outlawed by every robber baron and tyrant since the first civilization. You have to take back what’s yours.

      1. Sounds like you are a “needy” cuck and unable to care for yourself. Why the fuck would any man want multiple wives…even one is too much.

         1. Children
            Look at Utah in 100 yrs. they own that state and many industries.
            Do men a favor and remove your testicles. You don’t have any.

         2. @ RW
            I try not to get involved in other peoples threads.
            But this time I have to say something.
            For someone who claims to be a big time football star with a great life, you are one nasty mouthed SOB. Why would someone with the great life that you claim to have come on this site and insult people left and right?
            Just doesn’t add up.

         3. @Drater – I’ve heard that cliché often “Why would a man want ‘x’ times the trouble or drama and so on”. True no man needs a wild beast of any kind crapping up their house. But I’m talking about tame and domesticated women. And two tamed servile and loyal women function domestically superior to one. It’s like the difference between having one leg or two. If you’re used to being a biped with two legs, you’d never want to have one of your legs amputated because you rely on their dual function and they serve you well.
            Though I have heard of diabetics who scream “Just please cut it off” because their foot or leg functions poorly or is necrotic. It BETRAYED them. It failed them and they’re pissed at it and they want it gone. They want relief.
            Men with one single wife – it’s like they’re used to hopping on one leg. Lord forbid their one leg fails or else they’re out of the race. They’re on the ground.
            WITH TWO legs, if one fails, you can go into ‘limp’ mode until the situation is fixed. It’s like having a flat tire. It’s fixable and not the end of the world. Wives are like TIRES and it takes more than one to keep the domestic front rolling.

      2. Mcgoo u may be misunderstood by most here, but not all.

5. Seems all really normal to me especially after having been married and divorced twice and raise kids…Your personal reasons (especially from my experience) make perfect sense. If you want to really f*k up your life, place a female into it, and her desires into it, and her flaws into it, and POOF, you can own a real live flexible morphing disaster/war zone/ hell where there is no peace and you will go searching for it at every turn and every reason to run away to go find it. I don’t regret my kids at all, but all I had to endure for where I am now…well……Jesus Christ it was some serious relationshit trials.

   1. There is three things I value more than anything else at this stage. My PEACE in MY PLACE. My HEALTH. My Freedom to control my domain and my decisions. I will always be deferential and inconvenienced by my kids, but they ARE my kids, so I would see that as normal….But the rest of the malodorous denizens of this slimy mudball planet.. a few I get along with, a few I tolerate because I CHOOSE TO, and the rest….well sure be hating it for ya because IDGAF…at all.

      1. You were fine until you added that sociopathic last several words. Would love to know what career your in.

         1. I fix sh*t. You know, all that stuff most moron guys with no engineering or mechanic ability CAN’T fix or reason out to fix..and NO woman can fix because “reasons” and NO skills.

         2. That’s great. I fix shit too. Sounds like you’re a field service tech of some sort, going to people’s homes, etc. HVAC, maybe? In any case, with your people-hating worldview, you must be a real hoot with your customers.

         3. The money talks. I can bury the distaste for them long enough to get paid. I don’t have to like or love them at all, just put the f*king cash in hand and NO I don’t take checks. They are meaningless to me save for the zeros and ones and are too stupid and inept to do for themselves. When It really gets tense is if they try to welsh out and not pay as agreed or timely when the job is done…(again no HONOR or integrity, then you di*ks go whining about hating on people when you scum won’t pay an honest negotiated rate and materials cost for work completed)
            F you Steely Dan. Go back to being a doormat and simping whoreshipper. you are disgrace to testosterone.

         4. Well I m not a mail man, milk man or cable installer. So I guess you can spin your theories from there, and my kids are my own DNA.

      2. Canadian femcunts like to falsely accuse husbands of sexxxual assault and chyld molestation.

   2. Whatever homos are downvoting Neal’s comments damn sure don’t belong on ROK.

   3. yep, been there – and doing that still now…
      worth it? not worth it? maybe…
      its not over – my kid could disappear at a whim of the woman and a judges decree at an moment. it’s no way to live…
      Want to ruin something – let women in – they are like Stitch from lilo and stitch…
      “only instinct is to destroy everything it touches”
      

   4. @Neal – eeeh . . . That does sound a bit familiar. You got burned TWICE?? Dang.
      It all goes to show you that women are not serviceable and repairable like mechanical equipment and every wrench turning mechanic guy needs to learn that. You think you’re getting a good deal on a ‘fixer upper’ woman – but the truth is that no unclaimed woman who is used or unchaste is fixable. They cannot be made green and virgin again.
      Women are more like fresh produce. Go to the produce stand and tell me you’re getting a good deal on a ‘fixer upper’ banana or tomato that’s ready to turn to mush. SURE you can recharge a refrigerator from the dump or breathe new life into a bike pulled from the creek bed or restore a house or put new bearings and brushes into an antique table saw and bring it back to life – but women are not like that. Women must be hand picked fresh from the vine. And I mean VIRGIN. If you’re not the FIRST man that she’s gone down on, then what the hell made you think that you’d be her last?? She was USED and USED means USED and that’s the bottom line. Anyone care for a USED HAMBURGER or a USED piece of gum?? I didn’t think so.
      You’d have about as much luck making a black mushy banana turn green again as you would trying to get loyal service out of a half rotten used woman.
      With women, you must go virgin. Only BRAND SPANKING NEW will do.

      1. “With women, you must go virgin. Only BRAND SPANKING NEW will do.”
         But the USA doesn’t allow you to marry 14-year-olds!

   5. Neil, even if you have an outstanding marriage as I had, there will be tons of stuff to deal with when having a woman in your home. Crying for no reason during/before periods (at least mine recognized the symptoms and apologized for the illogical behavior), arguing about me being late to bowling (no reservations), or having to “have talks” about her co-workers being annoying or “how come we are not ready to have kids yet”. Just a lot of time wasted…. I was one of the extremely few fortunate men to have a truly happy marriage, with an “old finished” Christian woman that gave me a marriage how it should be: patriarchal, with love and respect. But you lose 1/2 your space, 1/2 your privacy, 1/2 the control of your personal free time…. it is a lot to give up.
      And WHY do it in today’s world???? WHY make that sacrifice of giving anything up to marry a woman when the odds are totally against you, as a man??
      Marriage is also a lot of work and for a man, it is also a lot of nonsense from the woman. Yes, I enjoyed numerous benefits from my own marriage, but I could never see me doing this again. The benefits and happiness I gained from my marriage far and I mean FAR outweigh the negatives, but I just cannot see me doing this again.
      Maybe I am out of patience at age 36 and maybe being widowed just changed me. When I got married, Tinder and random hook-ups from websites just did not exist. You as a man had to work hard for some relief. Porn was grainy and expensive and hard to get (remember these catalogs and having to call in to order a VHS or DVD??) 😆
      When I got married 14 years ago, there was a reason to get amrried if you met a great woman. It was easier than approaching all the time at grocery store or spending hours online writting letters back and forth a-la-Youy Got Mail movie. To the GenX middle-American Christians, it was possible to be married and happy. It made sense to get married. The rewards for marriage today are simply too low when you have so many loose women giving it all away like it s Christmas morning, no strings attached.
      Maybe I have such a negative view of marriage today after watching so many guys go through hellish divorce, having their kids stolen, going through hell. One of my friends gained 40lbs during his brief marriage to this Brazilian clam since she did not cook, he had to eat fast food 6-days a week and work 65h a week to support her excessive spending on shoes and Victoria’s Secret. Despite all this, she put him through such a hell I even asked him for his three guns until he recovered from this nightmare, because I was afraid he would kill himself (I warned him about Brazilian women being horrible wives and LTRs, but he did not listen).
      I also have a lot of “survivor’s guilt” for NOT being divorce-raped and yet having a comfortable financial life set-up and becoming single again suddenly. I have 2 other male friends come over to game/hang out and they envy how I have my own house and a cool car as they can barely afford rent after “paying their ex-cunts” an arbitrarily HIGH monthly cash amount they were ordered to pay by some biased family law judge. Maybe my understanding of the changes in relationships between men and women (Gender Wars) due to the ever-growing Feminist cancer that has metastasized in The West and the sneaky and pernicious seeping of Feminist-Christianity into Conservative churches, which has wrecked Havoc into Christian women.
      I don’t think it was just one single reason that caused me to change my mind so much about marriage, from once considering it a positive and now viewing marriage as almost all negative. My trust of women is basically non-existent today. I am serious. No, I was not betrayed by some woman in some horrible way, so some will say my thinking is “irrational fear”, but it isn’t. It is years dealing with women and learning how women behave when legal matters are at stake (criminal law, family law, etc). I Red Pilled myself a decade before the ManoSphere even exists, through years of legal work and LIVING LIFE and watching what happens to men that marry or men who trust women. Once you see the dark side of women abusing men, you cannot un-see it in your mind. It gets etched in your mind.
      Life experience does wonders for a man. I like myself infinitely more now in my mid-30s than I did when I was in my mid-20s. I am the man I want to be today and much, much wiser and happier too.
      For a man to deny the legal and financial realities and marry anyway, as a matter of foolish willful-blindness is self-inflicted harm, almost suicide. And this pains me as a Christian, because I would love to “do the right thing” and marry again and have a stable life again, but I KNOW that cost-benefit and risk-benefit is NOT there anymore. It would be folly to marry again.
      So I am trying to figure out even if I should have a kid(s) with an LTR woman or not. Marriage is not in the cards for me, I refuse to do it. So I understand what Neil is saying.
      Finally, let me reiterate this point: being married in a post-feminist world is probably the worst thing a man can do. This is 2018, the information about the legal, emotional, financial, and criminal risks of Marriage 2.0 are KNOWN and are widely discussed online. The info is there for men, the warning signs are all there. I am NOT saying to go MGTOW. I am saying to understand the REALITY of the world we are living in and ACT ACCORDINGLY.

6. The reason why I will never get married as side from marriage being a raw deal for men. Is I enjoy coming home to peace and quiet and waking up to peace and quiet. I’m pretty happy with using a escort you pay the bitch to leave. I love being a bachelor.

7. Marriage is pointless and unnatural. no other reasons needed really.

   1. It use to have a point. Thanks (((Jews))) for the bringing on the “Sexual Revolution” that made marriage meaningless.

      1. Thanks white men for adopting Jews and their god, letting them suckle on your achievements and ultimately making them omnipotent.

   2. Except the point being preserving civilization. Its just bad in today’s environment where the government provides women with resources and protection.
      Medicine, toilets, and clothes are technically unnatural, doesn’t mean they’re automatically bad.

      1. You do not need the ritual of getting married. You can live together with a woman and raise a decent family. The ritual of getting married had nothing to do with your relationship working. It would be just as pointless ad having some best friend ritual.

         1. It still needs to be instilled by a collective and higher authority, a man doesn’t curb female hypergamy on his own, nor does a woman have the ability to suppress it as she or the man wishes.

   3. Wrong. The marriage system worked well for a couple thousand years and kept Western civilization alive, created nation-states in old Europe, and enabled families to raise stable and better children. It enabled the progress of had technologically and socially, into periods of great prosperity and stability.
      Marriage was “natural” within the context of a Christian-centered society. Ever wondered why the two “Golden Ages” of America happened in the 1920s and between 1940’s until the “sex revolution” of the late 1960s???
      That “fundamentalist Christian” was a period HATED by the Left and it is derried by them with movies and media. During our two Golden Ages, America had almost zero immigration, high wages, created the middle class from scratch, and we had Christian values governing America.
      Today, unless you live in an Amish or rural Mormon community, the Cultural Marxism (Feminism) corruption of our society has reached every inch of people’s lives. Marriage has become an insane situation for men. Feminism is the law of the land and the prevailing mindset for women, even for women who deny they are feminists.
      Marriage 2.0 is NOT Christian-concept marriage. It does not work and even someone like me avoids it at all costs. Marriage 2.0 = legal and financial slavery for men. God did not create marriage as a slavery scam to destroy men; Christian marriage was male-headship, that is why it worked. That is not the case anymore, at least not in any Western country today.
      Do NOT get married until we can/IF we can fix it. Otherwise, have a kid with an LTR if you have to, but never marry. Do not allow lawyers and courts involved in “division of marital property” and court-enforced slavery. Otherwise, do NOT get married, period.

8. I’m in a similar situation and my family (the little I have which is just the nuclear) NEVER asks me about marriage because, like one person said above “they just know”.
   My reasons are similar but have also to do with the social and racial situation of America and the rest of the West. While it is true that there are conservative women out there, by and large we are seeing a massive scale of fat women, tatted up and just vulgar/slutty behavior all around. If you add to this the disgusting state of America today (and Europe) it is NOT worth starting a family in a country that is no longer yours and where, in just some decades, there WILL be a non-White majority. I would NEVER bring children into a world like this. By and large, we have committed suicide and there is nothing left to “conserve” any longer…including what’s left over of the White race which is mostly a pathetic bunch of “do gooders” (for the other side), SJWs, and tattooed hipster trash all over the place. Any “society” (if we can even call this cesspool we have today a society) that willfully allows what is happening today in our countries deserves to die.
   The Justice system will only get worse and there will be a completely repressive atmosphere very soon. Marriage? NO WAY.

9. My reasons.

10. HAHA. Rooshiepoo please me! You have to be naive or have a serious incentive to get married these days. My parents have been married for 30+ years and most likely I bet my mom snuck around my dad’s back and vice versa. Growing up, I remember my dad drinking himself into a coma every night because he was suppressing his inner warrior that was knocking at his instinct of “fuck the domestic lifestyle of marriage and family”. His dad (my grandpa) said fuck that lifestyle and was a wild man that couldn’t settle down nor be tamed by any dame, although he spent a lot of time in and out of prison.

11. Marriage and nuclear family are obsolete. The correct order of things is single mothers who support themselves by soft prostitution (one or a small number of long term “sponsors”) and older men mentoring boys (their own or another man’s sons, doesn’t matter which) starting at age 8, and boys go to live in all male communities mentored by older males starting at age 13. There is nothing wrong with sons raised entirely by single mothers up to age 8 and partially to age 13. The reason sons raised by single mothers turn out badly in modern society is the almost complete lack of older male mentoring and boys remaining with their mothers past age 13.

    1. For Nggrs …..
       But come in. Higgs please.

    2. Yes. If single mommies want $, I will make them eat my D, balls and anoos, and be grateful for the privilege.
       $ is the great leveler

       1. As is death…….

    3. You have just described almost all premodern tribal cultures. Most times women didnt even know who the father was. And at 13 the boys were snatched away from their mothers to become Men. Lifetime monogomy is a fraudulent system that supported a capitalist and increasingly defunct modern ‘democratic’ system

12. you sound like a pain in the ass to live with
    imagine not being able to sleep with your husband because he’s a mentally ill faggot who can’t stand touching his wife

    1. My husband and I sleep separately due to differences in sleep patterns. I can assure you we have a very fulfilling sex life and neither of us are mentally ill.

       1. sounds gay

13. My list is much shorter.
    1. The young hot ones have never wanted me.
    2. I would rather bang hot young escorts for until I die than settle for an ugazoid, fatty or old bag.
    Being wanted must be fantastic. But I can live with getting tight young poon for $$$.

    1. I agree 100 I’m comfortable with the fact that 90 percent of women don’t find me attractive. Because I’m black guy who’s 5’5 and muscular and easy on the eyes. I’m pretty happy with using a escort you pay the bitch to leave

       1. I’m 6’1″ tan complexioned American of Southern European decent. I am fit and trim, do body weight and light weight workouts regularly, educated with good career as IT Consultant. In other words, nothing a hot girl is interested in. A loser guitarist/heroine user in a crappy bar band on the other hand, will have hot young poon by the boatload.
          That’s OK though. My way is sustainable. I can keep doing this well into my 70s.
          Good luck with things BBG!

          1. AS: you have a lot more to offer than you let on. Although I do think your budget for pussy is nuts… (albeit you are in NYC making good coin)… your life strategy is efficient, fun and relatively hassle free — attributes to admire when dealing with the other gender. Hopefully we can share a cocktail and some stories at some stage in one of your favorite NYC watering holes.

          2. Sure thing AC!
             Let me know when you’re in town.

          3. Asian girls have a different value system. Where I live, your type would be highly desirable. Girls here look down their noses at washed up hedonists and place great value on a man who can channel his energies into career success. Over here, you could score an A-grade girl and be happily married in short order.

    2. You’re going to pay anyway. Might as well be someone who looks nice and doesn’t nag you post-coitus.

    3. Paying for pussy is making a comeback.
       Under the faggoty western attitude, it was seen as “not the good man thing to do” for a long period
       But now, fuck that. These bitches can talk all they want, but they still need resources from men.
       Stay single, don’t lose $ in a divorce, build your value, and pay women $ to do degrading things for your enjoyment

14. was just thinking about this today. Broke up last week with this girl, she was demanding more engagement, more time, dating 3 times a week and sleeping at each others places, travelling.. it wasn’t enough apparently. at 34 she probably also want to start making babies.. I’m not ready for this, not sure I will. she was a nice person though. very genereous and kind.
    my father once told me : “hurry up to choose, otherwise you’ll be chosen”.

15. Well reasoned article.
    Clearly you’ve reached the point in your life where you are comfortable with yourself and you know yourself.
    Given the state of women today I sense you’ve come to the conclusion that it’s not likely you’ll find a woman that fits in your life and that you’ve come to accept that.
    That being said, I sense a bit of melancholy in your acceptance…a kind of bittersweet acceptance…not sadness…but a reality driven recognition of things as they are.
    Given the way society and law is skewed toward women today combined with your unique needs you’ve made the rational choice and come to terms with it.
    Best of luck on your journey and thanks again for sharing these insights with all of us…

16. Hello Roosh, welcome in MGTOW land.
    (You know that you’re a MGTOW (just one of those who still sleep wifh women), right?

17. Out of curiosity, Roosh: Were you raised in a quiet home?
    I’ve noticed, that some people tend to wake up even if you just farted nearby. As a night owl I find it extremely frustrating.

    1. Roosh is a superhuman flatulator, QBA. He can wake up a whole neighborhood!

18. lol the irony. You had Donovan Simp on here the other day telling MGTOWs to “man up”, and now Roosh publishes two articles explaining how society makes courtship and marriage a waste of time today.

    1. Chanty Binx has spread a virus from Canada that spread across the planet!

19. No reason to involve the state these days. We’re simply living in a time where there’s too much risk for a man to marry. Keep taking care of your health and finances. Bang abroad when you can. No matter what kind of man you are, it’s best to adapt to the times (ride the decline.)

    1. Marriage for a man = betting half his shit that she won’t cheat on him…

       1. this.

    2. But that doesn’t stop thousands of blue pill simps in Canada from marrying a thot who used to fuck the entire junior high football team and then lose everything in a frivorce. Heck, even that teacher Mary Gowans was flirting around with a 13yo male student and her husband suffered hell in separation from her. I’ve also heard that Tania Pontbriand went to falsely accuse one of her bfs of sex assault when she was facing trial for banging a 15yo male student 300 times in a one-year period.

20. I have many similar traits & am happily married. Roosh, find an introverted Asian mix that takes a while to crack. Obviously, not from USA. My old lady can do her own thing while I pursue own hobbies around house for evening, then go to bed together. Im not religious but best advice Ive heard has been to find a woman who puts God/her higher beliefs first & you second. If I dont end up in hell it’s cause my wife worked out some kind of deal. Anyways, she keeps herself in line & respectful of patriarchy due to religion & I reap mega benefits. Find a good halfie who keeps quiet.

    1. There are no nawalts, female hypergamy must be restrained through law.
       A religious woman will still rationalize through her emotions why its ethical to take a man to divorce court.

21. I think it’s obvious that the only valid reason to get married is if you (as the man) have a tremendous desire to sire offspring and pass on your genes — a desire that cannot be satisfied by dog ownership or spending significant time with other people’s kids. No other reasons are valid.
    What I do see many men fall into is the strategy of: “I can get a bigger house and have a more outward-looking successful life if I combine my resources with those of a career woman.” This is disaster in the making for many reasons, mainly: she will see it as her house and MAYBE let you have a dinky “man cave”; she will demand a house that blows up your budget and enslaves you to it; she will eventually want to fill the bedrooms with children and shelf her money-making career; once she has the husband and house, her figure will go to shit; she will always end up with the house regardless of how psycho / violent / delusional she gets to trigger a divorce.
    Strangely, I see many men adopt this crazy strategy in order to please their mothers!! To make themselves look more socially appealing to their mothers and to give them grandchildren to play with on the weekend.

    1. As a side point: although I believe I am well loved by my extended family, I have had to be very weary of not letting my mother, grandmother and aunts derail me and shoe-horn me into social situations that are against my nature or best interests. I smile and nod at all their well-intended “advice” but always slip away quickly and elusively. Moving to other countries / continents has been great in this regard as I feel no social pressure to conform to their social ideals which are so ingrained into them as women. Past mistakes, such as letting my immediate female family members get close to my ex-wife and ex-girlfriends, will not be repeated. It may sound a little paranoid or extreme, but I will never let any woman bury her “hooks” into me again, regardless of how appealing it may seem materialistically.

    2. Sigh. NAWALT. But sadly a lot are. I see it amongst many of my married friends. And it makes me ashamed of my sex at times. Educated, professional women who turn into manipulative brats once married. My marriage IS an equitable partnership: we both make approximately the same $ and all bills are split 50/50. Finances are completely separate. And we’re both extremely frugal and live well beneath our means. We’re looking forward to a very early retirement as a result of this. And since we’ve both contributed equally, a divorce would be mutually assured destruction. Which is not to say either of us are unhappy (I hope!) but that fact alone changes the dynamic I think. Big decisions/purchases are negotiated between us when necessary. Sometimes he wins/sometimes I win: life is about compromise but we’re both respectfull/respected.

       1. Surely professional women are higher risk because they’re used to exercising their willpower to complete concrete tasks. They cannot help learning a masculine attitude, and the saying ‘two lions cannot live in the same jungle’ seems appropriate.

          1. You’re correct in that a successful professional woman (whose frugal— there are plenty that aren’t —-same goes for men) does exercise willpower and rational thinking. But I can’t see why that’s less preferable to a naive woman who doesn’t understand the value of a dollar. Even if you control the finances I can’t see wanting to argue constantly. And the professional woman who has skin in the game is far less likely to flake out when times get tough and then demand alimony etc… Which you will owe the “kept” wifey —-whether it’s fair or not.

          2. Interesting take. Makes sense!
             I live overseas, so alimony is no issue. Better not to marry in a country in which it could become one.

       2. Emmet, Enjoyed reading your write-up. It’s what I would seek and the way it should be.

22. These comments are MGTOW rubbish. Wife up a foreign woman that comes from a decent place to bail to when the USA turns into 100% cesspool. Even a mail order bride has many more positive attributes than todays local skanks. Living with a great woman is an easy, full life. Probably would have kept Kacynski out of trouble also. I will say though, imperative you find one with a right wing death squad mindset & good luck finding one of those in USA.

    1. A woman’s loyalty depends entirely on how much options and liberties society allows her to abuse.
       If you bring a Japanese or Russian woman to America, she will be indistinguishable from any western skank once she realizes shes free from the shackles her previous patriarchal/traditional environment put on her(understandably so).

    2. You’re ignoring the fact that the US Foreign relations PR is a Paki woman masquerading as “Nikki Haley”, a white female. She has been sending rebels, bombs, drones and bullets (((just like Nudelman))) to any country which isn’t infested with Anglofeminism and (((central banks)))).
       What makes you think that foreign countries will resist a military superpower from imposing feminism, homos and jooz into their homelands?

       1. Russia definately can not only resist, but destroy ur country some real good.
          And seeing how things are going to new provocation, this time Putin may not hold his cools.
          And I don’t hear USA bombers troubling Hungary. And your “superpower” is only in Holywood, and taking down goverments. You been fucked by countries like Vietnam, which is by no means a superpower.

       2. She’s not paki, she’s Sikh. Given the history over there, that’s a pretty massive difference.

    3. 2018
       Mail order brides
       Pick one.

23. Im in my 30s & EVERY SINGLE MALE FRIEND IVE KNOWN OVER THE YEARS WHO ENDED UP GETTING MARRIED IS NOW DIVORCE RAPED with Child support payments.
    EVERY SINGLE ONE!! Including the one good friend of mines that went abroad & brought back his wife. Once a Woman touches American soil its OVER FOR YOU!! Not counting My cousins & brother & other family members who have ALL BEEN DIVORCE RAPED!! Its NOT even funny!! All of them faithful & All of them been cheated on by the WOMAN! WOmen have MANY FLAWS but thro out history we had Laws that Protected the Institution of Marriage & the Men in it. But when you have Laws that prey on Womens Hypergamous Nature, their fickleness, their Up & down Mood swing you have Divorce Rates as high as they are. I DONT blame Women I blame the Goverment for WEAPONIZING SEX & WOMEN.Its NOT so much Women… its that the Goverment has WEAPONIZED SEX & WOMEN & there Wont be Stability Ever Again Until We have Patriarchal society again. Its Simple God created an order for a REASON. When your Under natures design & living Under Patriarchal society you have Order. When living under a matriarchy society you have Disorder.
    With Numbers like that SOrry I will NEVER GET MARRIED!! Until Laws are made to protect Men it will Never happen!! How many of you guys here would Jump on a plane that had OVER A 50% CHANCE OF CRASHING !!???

    1. I’m in my 40s. Of all of our friends only two couples have divorced. First couple seemed to mutually agree it was best, no lawyers involved and they continue to co-raise their children peacefully. Kids seem well adjusted. Second couple he developed serious substance abuse problems which he refused to address. She left and took the kid, very bitter, ugly divorce followed which I’m sure both parties contributed to I’m sure. The substance abuse problems were very real mind you. The rest of us are happily married as far as I can tell. And no, we’re not a religious group. So perhaps we’re a collective anomaly, but your experiences don’t align with mine.

    2. It’s even grimmer than 50%. Thats a trick stat. The CDC did a study showing that approx 93% of ALL MARRIAGES fail within 10 years. Women initiate divorce roughly 70% with an 80% success rate in child custody.
       The 50 percent bullshit stat is based on the number of divorces versus number of marriages in any given year, but doesnt account for the length of time any of those marriages were when the divorce occurred
       But c’mon now. That precious angel walking down the aisle would NEVER do anything to hurt you because you’re her soulmate that she will love forever. Now, the harpy that is complaining about how she’s Not Your Maid or Not Your Whore, THAT bitch will, however, cut your throat and dump you in the grease.

       1. @Rockfish1000 Well there you go… I knew that little over 50% had to be bullshit unless I just happened to know of the most Unlucky men. Hey I love the idea of Marriage & would be a great husband & father… But in todays Misandrist Male hating society that is so Anti-Male & this political climate im safer starting up a Meth addiction then getting married. @Joe Hey I know some people who actually won the lottery doesent mean Im gonna bet my life on those odds. Hey I applaud those marriages where the woman hasnt Raped & exploited the Man YET! I dont know if those marriages you speak of are 5 years, 10 years. But There is still time to go & there is a good chance that before Death do us part that she will pull the card on him!

24. Heres a Fun little fact. Out of Gay Couples, Hetrosexual Couples & Lesbian Couples Guess which ones had the LONGEST most stable marriage &w hich one had the VOLATILE SHortest Marriage ?
    Well heres one that Feminist can Choke on! As much as Women love to complain that MEN are all the problems in a relationship it shows that WOMEN COUPLES HAD THE HIGHEST RATE OF DIVORCE & THE MOST PROBLEMS in Marriage. Coming in Second is Hetrosexual couples with a MAN & a WOMAN. And the group that has the LONGEST Most STable Marriages was GAY MALE COUPLES!
    Obviously Im Not suggesting Anyone should run off into FAG-LAND! But if your RED-PILLED you would see My point! Women are volatile & Emothionally Unstable by Nature. The MORE WOMEN you have to a party the MORE UNSTABLE that relationship becomes. Hetrosexual couples come in SECOND because 1/2 the Party is MALE!! Which brings Rationality & Stability to Tame the Crazy Unstable sex which is WOMEN. But that ONLY works best when they are LAWS to protect Men. & then coming in First for Most Stable & Longest lasting marriages was Gay Men.. Because even tho they are Gay They are STILL MEN & born with some form of Rationality.
    You cant make shis shit up! With MEN you have order With WOMEN you have DISORDER. Thats why Women where NEVER MADE TO BE IN CHARGE the same way Children where Never made to be in charge & that there is a natural order!

    1. Growing up in Toronto, I’ve known many gay men in my life. The secret to their relationship success is simple: they all fuck around. Literally all of them. I’ve never met a “closed” gay couple and I’ve never heard of a “closed” gay couple. They’re all in open relationships and they’re perfectly fine with it. They may be homos, but they’re men after all. No risk of pregnancy, no estrogen-filled emotional roller coasters, and unlimited access to dick/ass due to the nature of the gay sexual market dictated by universal lax male standards.

25. Foreign women tend to be better than western ones but you come across naive about marrying them.
    If you do marry one, never let her move to the U.S. because she will gain all the power (backed by the gov’t) in the relationship. Many non-western countries do not have alimony and commonly get divorced in one day.
    Also if you live in your wife’s country, she will need to keep up her game because you are the prize constantly sought out by other women. My friend in Thailand says his wife drains his balls before he goes out anywhere – golfing, shopping, dinner/drinks with mates, etc.

    1. ^^that reply was meant for R4P4L4

    2. Hahaha fantastic situation. Thai ladies are very pragmatic! But be careful, because there’s a lot of ex bar girls masquerading as good girls and foreigners seem to have an uncanny knack for ending up with them.
       For success in Thailand, avoid Pattaya, avoid other foreigners, and avoid the party lifestyle.

26. pick-up artistry, arising in full force in around 2005, was essentially a slave’s revolt -in the nietzschean sense- brought about by myriads of basically middle-class men with higher than average intelligence, a naturally introverted nature, and with the feeling of deprivation. a ‘player’ who discovered game at, say, twenty, would have reached full capability at around 25 or 26 years old. time goes by fast and as with all other solutions, which are worldly and ephemeral and not of the spirit, it leaves one with a feeling of nostalgia at the end. marriage is an unnatural conclusion to such a life. but then again, so what? would one be redeemed by marriage and family? debatable.

    1. I guess it’s worth trying. Just don’t have it as a legal marriage, and know what you’re getting into beforehand. You must keep pressing forward with an idea, but it’s not going to be the clean and perfect that we’re accustomed to in the modern era, and offers no safety or guarantees.

27. As a girl reading this, the two things I can really see being a problem are the need for total quiet and the light sleeping. The way to get around that would be to have two different rooms. I can see you as the aloof cantankerous type. So the issue is, and I get this too, things like noises and stuff like that being irritating and causing arguments. At that point, I just leave the argument. It may seem abrupt, but it’s the best way, because then you just get more annoyed.
    The real issue comes when you have kids. You have to deal with noise. You’d probably have to have people over as well, because kids need playmates and they need to be networked.
    I fully believe that you’d be monogamous, if that was the arrangement. I also fully believe that I’d put-out for whomever I was married to, as long as I was in good health and had a full stomach. Probably once in the morning and once at night. The minimum would be three times a week, and that’s if I’m tired. In my mind, sometimes you’re horny and sometimes you’re horny for intimacy. I haven’t had sex, but I assume it’s not this big deal to make it a priority. I could also see where having enough sex could balance-out the need for intimacy in other ways. Marriage is actually a really easy situation if the girl is traditional, and you see it as a monogamous sexual arrangement and don’t try to make it your everything.
    I think I’m a pretty good catch, but I’m not for everyone. I’m not a “strong woman”. I don’t think actual strong women exist, but I’m more sensitive and melancholy and kind of a wimp. I don’t even think I’d trust myself to raise kids, so I’d need a strong partner. I’m also smart, so I’d need a guy who was around as smart as me. I’m also very religious, so I’d want to be with someone who shared my views. On the plus side, I’m pretty and slim and well-meaning and reasonable for a girl and haven’t done anything with anyone. But I could see where someone wouldn’t want to marry me too, because I’m quirky. I’m just not for everyone, but I don’t see why I shouldn’t be for someone.
    As far as house-keeping goes, I can always just make that my direction and go to classes and learn it. It just gets boring to maintain a house day in and day out. That’s another issue with being a smart woman: the mundane really eats at you. I don’t know if I could handle that, but being in the actual situation is probably most of it.
    I guess too what I’m getting from reading this article is that Roosh might just not really want kids. Raising them seems like a chore. Anything he doesn’t like about a partner, he’s going to have an exponentially worse time with in a child, not to mention several children.
    I don’t actually think Roosh and I would make a good couple: different race, different values, similar personality issues. Also, I haven’t really lived yet and he already has, and I’d like to avoid that scenario. But I think it’s good to talk about and think about this stuff, because Millennials weren’t given marriage as a goal in life. It’s a goal in my life, and I think it needs to be looked at realistically. You’re not looking for an ideal job or an ideal spouse, but a job or a spouse you don’t hate and doesn’t cause you too much trouble.
    Even with Roosh, if he doesn’t like kids very much, he might just need to get a two-level house with a bedroom and office upstairs. In that situation, he’s funding a very specific lifestyle to fit his needs. You can’t really have a strong, independent working woman in that scenario. You’re living in someone else’s life, and they’re paying for it. You don’t make the rules. You decide if it’s your cup of tea or not when you marry them. I would give up “my responsibility” to work getting married, definitely, but I’d have to know the guy was understanding and kind and consistent. The other issue is putting yourself at one person’s mercy, which is true of both sexes.
    That was a rambling stream of consciousness thing, but whatever, there have been worse comments here. There have been truly bad ones, and mine isn’t even in the top ten spergiest. Maybe number 12.

    1. Your post did ramble but relatively speaking you’re pretty level-headed…

       1. You have no idea, this made my day! I posted that without proofreading, so those were my unfiltered thoughts. I’m relieved I made sense.

    2. I’m a female too. Your, albeit rambling, post does demonstrate some fairly remarkable insight. And as different as we are (I’m not very traditional and I’m not religious) we definitely share some very similar attitudes. Namely, that marriage isn’t going to be all romance and rainbows, there’s something to be said for “good enough”. Shared values, kindness, and mutual respect will take you farther than anything else. And you’re right that giving up financial independence is a leap of faith to a certain extent. Not a leap I was willing to make, but I respect those who do. Ultimately marriage is a contract and both parties need to contribute in some fashion in order to maintain the necessary equilibrium. I am happily married. Best.

       1. “marriage is a contract and both parties need to contribute in some fashion”
          The man ALWAYS contributes the house.
          This a worldwide rule for women, no house = no marriage.
          Always amazed that so many men don’t see this.

          1. @JOHN DODDS CORRECTION FOR YOUR LATER COMMENT ON OVER 50% DIVORCE RAPE. ” It’s even grimmer than 50%. Thats a trick stat. The CDC did a study showing that approx 93% of ALL MARRIAGES fail within 10 years. Women initiate divorce roughly 70% with an 80% success rate in child custody.
             The 50 percent bullshit stat is based on the number of divorces versus number of marriages in any given year, but doesnt account for the length of time any of those marriages were when the divorce occurred”

          2. I contributed the house. Or at least the ENTIRE, substantial, down payment. Since purchase the remaining mortgage/upkeep etc… is split 50/50. If we were to split I’d lose half the down payment, just like a man. And no, I’m not fat, or ugly, or desperate. I just happened to bring a lot more of MY OWN $ into the marriage. I didn’t think much of it: men have been sharing their wealth for years, time for us ladies to do the same in comparable circumstances. So for every rule there’s at least 1 exception—- either that or I’m just extremely stupid for not cashing in on my golden VG lol!

          3. “God” – 20% of women like me will statistically end up divorced.

    3. “Even with Roosh, if he doesn’t like kids very much, he might just need to get a two-level house with a bedroom and office upstairs.”
       Aha!, ‘girl’ has just published her asking price ……. she wants a man to buy her a two-level house.
       Marriage is all about a man buying a woman a house. Buy me house, buy me house ……… buy your own house you gold digging whore.

       1. My fiance is a wonderful man, but he is not willing to live in a shack in a remote corner of the mountains with me. Is house-wanting a red flag?? Should I be worried about where this is going? Am I going to have to buy him a house???

          1. No you have to worship him in the bedroom every night because you are an inferior female with no skills and have nothing else to offer. You are lowest piece of shit in the world: a western female.

          2. I get that most of you guys have been burned by women. But oh Lordy, if I were to judge every man as though he were a carbon copy of the worst of them… well, that would be pretty feminist of me. You can go ahead and reduce yourself to that level if it suits you.
             I’ve got enough skills outside of the bedroom to hold my own a little better than the average whore. I don’t worship my fiance in the bedroom because I’m an inferior female (though I like to fall back on that as a good excuse for letting him take care of me), or because I have nothing else to bring to the table (I’ve been cooking and baking and cleaning since I was four; the table is exactly where I “bring it” – well enough to make a good honest living of it). I worship him pretty much every moment of the day because he conducts himself in a manner that is plainly deserving and worthy of it. Kindness goes a long way with women who want children and families.

          3. Hello Kitty,
             I judge white women by their common denominator, which is the divorce rape that 50% of western marriages end in. Would I judge you any different? No, because a 50% chance of losing my assets and future earnings (alimony and child maintenance) isn’t a good bet.

          4. John Dodds: the great thing for everyone is, I’m not asking you to marry me! I do see your point about the statistics, but fortunately for me there are still men out there willing to judge me for my OWN qualities and behavior.

          5. What makes state codified relationships a bad deal for all western men is not just the women’s behavior but the sole fact that all of the courts and legislation is stacked against any justice for men, and all of it clocked and locked to be deployed against the male the moment you vagina owners decide to frivorce us. When the Justice is already stacked against us and coupled with vagina owners tendency to frivorce… Yeah, your individual behavior is moot point. You are a bad investment for men because the statistics show that your protestations of NAWALT are meaningless. The financial and civil risks far outweigh ANY BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT we might wish to extend. Dirty Reality proves that men should trust Nothing that comes out of your mouths.

          6. Marriage vows, oaths, promises honor integrity all mean nothing when spoken by women. You all act on neurotic bipolar sociopathic self serving feelz, and that’s a very bad thing also for men.

          7. Dear Kitty,
             DNJ pretty much nailed it, you just ain’t worth the risk.
             But I jumped ship and am very happily married in SEA with my wife and kids. She can divorce me at any time, and is instantly replaceable with a new, younger woman. All she gets is bankruptcy when I stop making the home loan repayments on her house. Don’t get me wrong, I like being married, but not in the gynocratic tyranny that is known as the western world.

          8. One more thing Kitty,
             “Kindness goes a long way with women who want children and families.”
             So why is it none of you women are interested in marrying computer nerds and mommy’s boys? probably the kindest and most caring men in the world, who all end up as Incels. Yet appear desperate to bang drug dealers, gang members and murderers at every opportunity. There’s some sort of psychotic disconnect between what you say you want, and what you actually do.

          9. John Dodds: my ex-husband was a momma’s boy and a computer nerd AND a virgin just like me until after we were engaged. Came from a religious family, too. I’ve known him since I was 13. I sure thought I was making a decent choice. No bad boys for me – just one nice guy who would really appreciate me.
             I guess I picked the wrong one, because he turned out to be: allergic to hard work, addicted to spending money, childish and emotionally unstable, compulsively dishonest, not kind or caring toward me, and severely addicted to pornography to the point where it substantially impacted our relationship/sex life, and probably his (in)ability and/or (un)willingness to maintain employment – and eventually spiraled down into him wanting to get into swinging, wife swapping, BDSM, “polyamory,” and other weird degenerate sex stuff – whatever might give him the next bigger rush.
             He was a liability and a disaster, so forgive me for not being able to recommend would-be incels as prime marriage material.
             He wanted me to have sex with other men so that he could have sex with their (usually fat/ugly) wives, because he was too darned lazy to just go seduce other women on his own or earn the money to pay a hooker – BOTH of which I suggested as a more optimal solution to his “fear of missing out”/craving for strange.
             I’m telling you, it’s not just the women who are broken.

          10. But maybe I just come from Crazy Backwards Land because my mom left my dad when I was a kid… packed us all up one night and left without warning. Took us to a domestic violence shelter citing “emotional abuse,” filed for full custody, etc. FWIW, there was no abuse or neglect from either parent as far as us kids were concerned. Usually mothers have to be hard drug addicts or criminals to not win custody, so the running assumption was that my mom would retain custody.
              My mom had a lawyer. My dad represented himself in court. It wasn’t quick or easy but my dad WON. Full custody of all of us eventually, with visitation pretty much at his discretion and a big chunk of child support back-payments.

          11. And since I’m rambling about myself: I’m not gonna knock any man for going overseas to find a wife if he assesses that to be his best shot at having a stable and unbroken family. There’s a fair chance that I might recommend the same to my boys someday. We’ll see. I actually contemplated looking for a husband elsewhere myself when I was a young woman, because it was no secret that American culture was in the crapper and the climate was/is bad for marriage and family. It’s not just the women – it’s a hostile environment, period (as I’m sure you well know). But I couldn’t bring myself to leave my homeland, and I know there are a lot of folks who feel the same way I do. Some of us don’t see expatriation as an acceptable option. Call me crazy or stupid, but I STILL feel that way, even though I probably could have had more objective success if I’d broadened my geographical search parameters (especially since I have no particular objection to being poor as long as the roles and dynamics of the marriage are solid). And call me a racist xenophobe, but I’d go back and make the same decisions all over again and go through the whole mess a second time to get my handsome little all-American boys, if the only alternative was to abandon my own culture and raise my children as a foreigner in a foreign land. My protestations of “NAWALT” (or, for that matter, “NAMALT”) may be meaningless to you and others who have jumped ship, but I’m not trying to convince you of anything. But those of us crazy enough to want to stay put and try to turn the ship around can benefit from understanding that there are notable (if perhaps rare) exceptions out there. This website is a shining example of that, in my case. After the debacle that was my ill-fated marriage to the father of my children (or my third child, as I’ve often thought of him), it would have been really easy start viewing all men in this culture through that lens and dismiss them as a bunch of lazy degenerates and perhaps latent homosexuals, and close myself off entirely to the possibility of finding a genuinely good man locally.
              I was able to learn from reading so many stories of men in my own country who set out to build families like I did, and got burned in similar ways, that there ARE good men out there – and I learned how to recognize their qualities. NAMALT. NAWALT. Might be meaningless to you, but to some of us it’s HOPE.

       2. A house means you’re ready to settle in an area and have kids, because the kids need a place to live. There has to be a house. I don’t really want to settle in a particular area right now, so I don’t need or want a house. That’s another reason Roosh is a better option for another woman.

       3. Jensen, I talked about how to get around that. Don’t get legally married.
          Don’t worry, I got you.

    4. Good point about the mundane housework. In many countries, it’s common to hire a maid to take care of these duties. Just pay her for a few hours each week and she’ll keep the house reasonably clean without causing marital friction.

       1. Agreed. But I have hard time actually doing that. My husband and I are both busy professionals who could easily afford and justify this, but I find it somehow humbling to scrub your own house. Nothing takes you down a peg or two like scrubbing behind your own toilet. Keeps ya grounded.

       2. It’s something I do need to get better about.

28. Some are terribly neurotic and incapable of love. Marriage is not for them.

29. A church Pastor once told me that you’ll know you’re ready for marriage when you’re willing to spend the rest of your life alone. So maybe Roosh you’re ready to get married now if the times comes.

30. 3. Easy. Don’t have to share a bed. My maternal grandparents, who were married 62 years, slept separately. They did this because my grandfather was an incredibly light sleeper. He was also an early riser. My grandmother, on the other hand, is a night person.
    In a good relationship, you find a way to accommodate one another’s needs.

    1. My husband and I have separate bedrooms for similar reasons. It doesn’t negatively impact your intimate life the way long term poor quality sleep will.

31. Reasons Swamprat will never marry again:
    1. I did the shit once and now all I want is the crazy whore to be ripped apart by dogs.

32. Regarding the sleep issues:
    Sleeping together in the same bed was a thing for poor people and pioneers of limited space and resources.
    Why, in this hell or the next, have we so much resource and space, do people still share beds? Sharing a bed is impossible. I think it’s one of the biggest causes of degenerative health conditions next to sugar and high fructose corn syrup.
    Fact is, wealthy people did not share a bed. Anybody who did not have to, didn’t. Think of that old cliche about rich couples referring to “visiting their chamber”. We think it’s some stuffy sexless Victorian stereotype. But it happened for a reason. It was always far healthier to sleep alone in your own bed and bed chamber.
    I have had one relationship with a woman who simply could not sleep through the night. Years of that turned me into one of those guys you see with red splotches all over their legs and cuts that take 6 months to heal. I was half insane too. But one night she gets mad at me and refuses to sleep in the same bed. She slept on the couch. I did my usual beta blue pill “woe is me” thing and then went to sleep.
    And woke up feeling better than I had in YEARS. The couch became her nightly bed after that. We think that “enough” sleep is key. It’s not. The quality of the sleep matters just as much. And the only way to get that is in your own bed, alone.
    It’s good to see people realizing this as twin beds make something of a comeback. I say ditch the man cave and make it your bed chamber, and lock the bitch out at night.

33. 1. Light sleeper? Me too. There’s nothing wrong with separate bedrooms. If anything I think it promotes more shagging —and quality sleep is very important for long term health.
    2. Need and value time alone? Me too. Find a partner who values it equally. Makes the time you spend together more interesting anyways.
    3. Routine oriented? Well you are going to have to compromise on that a little. Find someone who’s similar enough and pick your battles. I did.
    4. As for protecting yourself financially, well that can be a legitimate concern for men and you’re not going to like my solution: find a woman who makes/brings as much into the marriage as you do. They stand to lose as much if things go sour. Alternatively and depending on where you live: skip the legal marriage and stay common law. In Canada at least there are very big distinctions between the former and the latter when it comes to asset division. VERY big differences. I’m a family law lawyer I should know.
    5. Split the bills 50/50 and keep your finances separate.
    6. Instead of trying to find some naive religious girl whom you hope won’t change, try finding a woman who understands that marriage is a contract and both parties need to continually bring something to the table. This romantic view of marriage is very new and may very well be the cause of a lot divorces.
    7. Or skip it altogether. Nothing wrong with that either.
    A happily married woman.

34. I was married once for a long time. All your points are where I am now with the idea of doing it a second time. No thanks. I like my freedom. 7 years and counting!

35. Roosh and I probably would have been great for each other… if I’d been born about a decade later! The one thing I might have had trouble with is not sharing a bed, but I don’t think I’d have seen it as a dealbreaker. My own parents had separate bedrooms, so it wouldn’t have been the weirdest proposition. I’d just need a LOT of blankets. Now I’m spoiled, though: even if I crawl into bed when he’s already fast asleep, my fiance wraps an arm around me and pulls me in to cuddle. I love it. Anyway, there ARE girls out there who would fit the bill and would be happy being married to a guy like Roosh. We’re not exactly easy to find, but we do exist (and I’m sure there’s at least a handful substantially younger and prettier than I am). I wanna see Roosh get married and have some kids. He reminds me a bit of my dad. I think he’d be a good husband and a good father.

36. Try separate beds, Roosh, not separate bedrooms.

37. SINCE WHEN DID WE GET ALL THESE SUPOSSED BROADS ON THIS FORUM..?? IM GONNA ASSUME SUM ARE FAKE BUT EITHER WAY THIS IS A “MALE SPACE”!! ROOSH NEEDS TO DO MORE TO STOP INFILTRATION. STOP MEDDLING IN THE AFFAIRS OF MEN & GET BACK TO THE KITCHEN!!

38. Well, given his PUA and gamer history, it is unlikely that any decent woman from a decent family would have him. What father or mother would want their daughter to marry someone who has used women as disposable f*cktoys and thinks women are nothing but hypergamous sluts?
    The way PUAs act and look at women, they have to absolutely despise women and want to do nothing but degrade, and manipulate them. It is a completely bloodless activity. It is vampirism. And it’s not sex that the PUA loves, it is status and nothing more. In the PUA world, having sex with lots of women is a way of gaining status among males and of masking one’s own self-hatred.
    Further, it is clear that RV and the PUAs in general have no understanding of the female heart or psyche. The PUAs talk about women riding the cock carousel when the PUAs are the ones trying to put their genitals into as many females as possible. THe PUA defile as many women as they can and then complain of their inability to find chaste and virginal females. Duh.
    RV has destroyed his own ability to love, if he ever had the ability in the first place. He is so neurotic and detached from his own mammalian nature and hates women so much that he cannot stand to sleep with one or have one snuggle with him in the bed. No post-coital glow for him who sees women as despicable low-lifes to whom he could never pledge his love and troth.
    It is better for the species that some do not reproduce their kind. Survival of the fittest and the unfit do not get to pass on their genes.

    1. He hasn’t destroyed anything beyond fixing. He’s lived his life true to himself which is good for the strength of the spirit. If he now decides to turn it around and pursue a successful marriage then I see no reason why he will not succeed in this also.
       Who is more likely to bail out of a difficult marriage? John Beta who dreams of 72 virgins in paradise (SE Asia) or Roosh, who understands the real alternatives.

39. Maybe you’re dependent upon being alone because it’s what you’re used to?
    If you’re really willing to make an effort for a girl, you’ll overcome all these problems. And as for the girl running away, children are usually the glue that seals the deal if she’s at all decent.
    I think the problem is that in becoming an expert at raw dogging as many girls as possible, you’ve lived out the teenage dream at the expense of the 20’s/30’s dreams. You’re now well behind in relationship forming, and your age is approaching the point where people are generally set in their ways.
    Good luck anyway, Roosh. We love your writings and we do wish you all the best!

40. 7. Women worth marrying don’t exist in the west anymore

    1. Haha. Largely true. Roosh is mobile though and can go anywhere he wants (asides from Airstrip One of course)

    2. and the men are all marriage material? in their thirties sleeping on the parent’s sofa, promiscuous,addicted to porn,playing video games ,selfish ,skint ,drug addicted … when the parents decide to kick them out, they go searching for a perfect woman, preferably an 18 year old virgin ,who will do the cooking and cleaning,owns her own property,earns more money then themselves and pays her own way. She will provide (porn like sex) on demand but not want any commitment or God forrbid marriage or children

       1. Yes

       2. We don’t want a mouthy broad like you

41. I tried posting a comment to this effect before, but I think it got eaten: I’m rooting for Roosh to get married and have some kids one of these days. He reminds me a bit of my own dad, and I think he’d be a good husband and father. There are girls out there who fit the bill (even in America), and I hope he finds one. World needs more good fathers.

42. 7. you gaaaaaaaaaaay

43. So in other words, you’re selfish.

44. #4: Hah, sounds like Phileas Fogg. Maybe the trick is to go around the world and rescue a princess? Don’t forget the top hat! 🙂

45. My woman sleeps on her own mattress and I sleep on mine, Japanese-style. In the morning we fold them up and put them away and get a lot of free space. Space > furniture… unless you’re well off and can afford a house or big apartment (850 square foot+) in the center of a nice city. But with my 670 square feet, I’ll stick to mattresses.

46. I don’t really see these issues as deal breakers. Any woman that married you would have to understand you can probably only meet about 25% of the social interaction she desires, therefore she needs to have family and friends to make up the rest. As for the alone time / space, that’s where her having other people she sees helps so you can basically be left alone for long periods of time. The kids part is hard, they are really demanding, but mostly worth it.

47. Even in the best case: Where you find a good girl, who will never cheat on you, won‘t divorce-rape you etc.
    It is still a damn boring life, same pussy for decades, kids, who drain your energy, Limited career options, no time and money for nice vacations, no freedom…
    Just my 2 cents.

48. Life is messy and you can’t control everything in it – especially other people. If you have small children, you know what I am talking about. They will create mess and be loud, no matter how often you explain to them that they are getting on your nerves. If you are that neurotic and pedantic, don’t get married and don’t have kids.

49. Roosh has Asperger’s. Confirmed.

50. Great article roosh

51. Me,me,me and I and what I want. I wonder how many women would be attracted to you after reading this . I suspect none. Yes you are an introvert and so are many women but everything else you have written is pure egoistical bullshit. You are so self centered and selfish ,that for you staying alone is probably best case scenario. You want a virgin and yet boast about being promiscuous yourself. Does it even occur to you to think about what the woman wants ( perhaps what kind of toast she likes). Narcissistic men turn my stomach. And being so shameless to even write this vile article

52. If only you liked Asians. My lady is very good to me.

53. Allow me to just vent a bit about Western women. My husband has had two marriages before me. I wasn’t born or raised in the USA and I have no regrets about it, I wouldn’t change my home country or hometown for any other place in the world. He has been thrown under the bus by those two disgusting women over and over again while they pretend they have been great wives. Let’s talk about what “great wives” they were. First one was a raging lunatic that required counseling for years and years (sucking up huge amounts of money that way), she would explode on him out of nowhere, yell at him, smash the art pictures on the walls. It got to the point where he couldn’t stand to live with her no more, he was renting a small apartment for himself to live in just to avoid her. She then demanded divorce. Then she remarried to some loser and began to sue her ex husband because she wanted more money from him (thought she got huge amount of money already). She was convinced he would pay all the lawyer’s expenses. When she found out that she and her new husband would have to pay all the expenses, she dropped the lawsuit. Second wife, who likes to blame my husband saying how it’s all his fault for divorce , was a liar, deceiver, entitled single mother , greedy just like the first wife, and wouldn’t take any responsibility for her actions. Unfortunately because of the court system, he is required to pay alimony and things of that nature for this woman’s daughter that ain’t even his! Couple of days ago she needed money for AAA and sewer bill, I thought please jump into the sewer and we’ll pay to see it. This is a woman who is a marriage counselor mind you, a public speaker etc. and she is obviously making money but is still being a greedy entitled bitch who needs to suck more money out that don’t even belong to her nasty ass. This woman writes XOXO in text messages but if your ex husband was such a piece of trash, why would you write this stuff, shouldn’t you be happy that you got rid of him? You know what, do not marry any American women, they are a liability and you will regret it over and over again as you are paying alimony and shit for years to come. My husband just gave up on American women and he wants nothing to do with these women, he is also disgusted by court systems and these spoiled worthless American broads that contribute nothing but just take, take, take. I see many women as we go outside be nothing but rude and in love with themselves. Please don’t create children with these women either. Those two ex wives contribute absolutely nothing of any value to society , they are just leeches. I know a guy who is working hard and being a good father and husband and he is married to a nut job American woman who is demeaning him every day, insulting him, being abusive, has been threatening to divorce him for 15 years and he can’t even text people without her looking at every text over his shoulder. Men, please be wise and for your own sake, do not get involved with American women let them die alone.

54. And if you think my husband’s daughters as well adjusted, guess again. They are the ones from the first wife, the lunatic who needed counseling for her boo boo’s. They of course have to go to college to be brainwashed, but don’t work to support their financial needs, they constantly leech money from their father as well, can’t pay tuitions, can’t pay rent , can’t pay anything. But they get pregnant while supposedly studying and become single moms. They are having a tough time finding husbands, they are also entitled, lazy, spoiled, immature. I’m just waiting on the day some losers marry them. But judging by their mother, no wonder they are messed up as well. Bottom line is, anyone who is reading this, you are better off staying alone or marrying abroad than any American woman, they are not worth it.

55. @Roosh V banned me from his site because I called him out for being a narcissitic fuck who can’t sacrifice.
    Roosh talks a lot of shit but is still a miserable incel.

56. Oh what a fuckin’ man child. There’s a difference between being an introvert and having the mentality of a 12 year old “I do what I want when I want how I want.” I mean seriously citing bed space as a reason for being single is a sure way to die alone and with a VD. Not Red pill at all.

57. Lmao you’ll be single forever you loser asshole !

58. You got yourself to blame on that one Mr. Roosh you hooked up and slept with 1000s of women around the world. You have no excuse

59. I read some articles on ROT and had the impulse to post some links that offer just on the king stuff, which I find quite interesting.
    Another male perspective
    https://bryanreeves.com/cant-king-embrace-feminine-energy/
    https://bryanreeves.com/dont-want-drama-beware-man-says/
    Book. Good read. About kings and stuff
    

60. 1) The history of our species tells us that TALL WOMEN are the answer
    2) Bone structures of females have been studied around the world for a while now. Petite women (aka boys) and their offspring have a 90% mortality rate worldwide. TALL WOMEN survive and TALL WOMEN produce children that survive
    3) Don’t be weak and learn how to hunt
    4) There are some Tall ladies with tradional values

61. Did my comment deleted? Truth must be spoken…

62. Last comment. Never stop trying to be a man or ever apologize for it. Looking over this website, the ideas are decent. In reality, it’s like boys trying to figure out how to be men.

63. Funny how when you talk about not letting a woman her freedom, the picture you chose to use was were the women are paraded naked against their will, probably sold to slavery. Is that what you want? You are scum.

    1. they are white-females captured by Arabs.
       which is what you may be if you continue to destroy the West

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