Recently at the RVF, someone posted a link to an AMA from a man who’s banged 100 hookers. Naturally, being a forum dedicated to the pursuit of game, most men were already skeptical to the idea of paying for sex. Longtime member Fisto voiced what many players believe:
paying for sex is one of the worst things you can ever do for you inner game/self esteem. A girl is sleeping with you as her part of a transaction, not for any real affection or even kind of liking you. If you do this, a little piece of you dies.
And yet, some RVF regulars were swayed in favor of P4P (pay for play):
The guy at the AMA would say, “Why do you need to have a woman validate your worth by sleeping with you? Who cares if a woman likes you if you get what you want (sex) out of it?”
If a man’s self-worth is wrapped up in whether a woman is having sex for him out of “affection” or “liking,” then isn’t he giving women far too much power?
Fisto responds:
I read it and I would ask him “Do you feel good about yourself when you are dishonest? Do you feel good about yourself when you don’t do something you know you should? Do you feel good about yourself when you blame someone else for something even if no one finds out?”
Those things are independent of outsiders opinion of you. Fucking a girl because you paid her doesn’t matter to the girl, but it should matter to a man that wants to master himself and grow.
He can say that all he wants, but if I looked into the dull listless eyes of some whore laying under me pretending to enjoy sex so that I’ll cum soon and she can get to the next john I’d feel terrible about myself, and that’s from an internal point of view independent from any external opinion.
MikeCF rejoins:
He pays with money. You pay with time spent in the gym, time spent seducing a woman, time spent out where nothing happens (sunk costs that have to be factored in to the “cost” of a bang), time spent exchanging game times/learning game, a bar tab here and there.
I don’t do p4p and never have, but the man makes solid points and he completely changed my view on the subject.
Everyone pays. It’s just a question of the currency you’re using and the cost.
The thread continues and the debate rages on. I throw in my two cents comparing hookers to sophisticated sex toys; in principle, there is no real difference between a fleshlight and a prostitute. I think it should be obvious that there is a qualitative difference between P4P and seducing a girl to fall for you.
Yet, there is something to be said to having a high quality orgasm with minimal effort involved. Time is the most precious resource, and using a ho to save time has its advantages.
What do you think? Is this a subjective debate that varies between men? Or is P4P objectively as much of a loser habit as sitting in your room masturbating all the time? Although prostitution is usually debated in terms of whether or not it hurts women, rarely do people inquire how men feel about the subject.
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I can see merits in the following ways:
1. The obvious is related to the point of “everyone pays.” Either you pay money, or you pay in time and effort. The latter, if done right, can reap rewards later in making you a better man for your own edification and reward. That’s longitudinal, and something that you can build upon over time. If you lose money, you can always make more money. You can’t get back time and effort.
2. For the guy who has some hang-ups about sex, going to a hooker now and then might be beneficial in helping to reduce the anxiety and demystify women — not to mention the purported purity of virginity. That is, instead of completely buying into the romantic bullshit that a woman is pure and innocent, which then has the unintended consequence of elevating anxiety, seeing a woman as just a collection of body parts can help in seeing sex as a bodily function — which is what it is, essentially. This is taking the reductionist stance.
Also remember that, in history, prostitution was tolerated despite the religious fervor of the time. It was a way for men to gain carnal knowledge before marriage, so that they could please their future wives better. To me, that’s being more honest than what some chicks like to pull with “oral sex isn’t real sex,” “the guy I banged on vacation isn’t real sex,” “I’m still a virgin if he does anal.” Far less cognitive dissonance by banging a hooker.
3. Some “punters” about there have talked about paying for a short-term relationship, especially in SE Asia where this thing is relatively common among the pros. That is, instead of paying for one night, you’re renting the girl as your companion for a week or longer. She fucks you, but also cooks, cleans, and shows you around her city or town. She could very well be “girlfriend” quality during that time. And, isn’t that better than some crack whore with lifeless eyes?
Like the saying goes ‘time is money”. I think pua cannot be mastered by most people and ‘game’ is a reactionary social construct, which didn’t exist in the way it does now, in the past. The future will leave little to game as if you have no healthcare and cannot afford to see a dentist, then what matter is it to most in having tight game over someone who is in better physical shape. As such, many women would then turn to prostitution if the government has not outlawed it into being a black market.
Game is a temporary construct of a society that has set up a welfare state and social security scam based on the petrodollar, war and a Ponzi scheme. Game does exist, but its benefits are marginal at best beyond not messing your interactions with women up, playing the numbers game slightly less due to this, and swallowing the red pill.
Without the affluence of society based on others’ suffering, puadom would not exist. Society is being conditioned to not value men, and women are mostly sheeple who accept this conditioning. The future tyrannical society will belong to men who are subservient to the state and aren’t real men (hence why pussies like Justin Bieber are on the rise). The society after that will be brutal and the virtue of being provider and protector will come full circle once again, as men will be required to protect and be educated/skilled in being able to be productive and wise.
The only reason anyone can pay a prostitute is because they put time and effort into making money. You can’t get back time and effort because the results you get from them are always with you. You can’t give back what you’ve learned and achieved; time and effort are nonrefundable.
And if you can put time and effort into making money so you can pay prostitutes, then you can certainly put time and effort into learning game and improving yourself.
The women you get are a proportion of the time and effort you put in it, money isn’t.
Get great at game and getting 5 women will still take plenty of time. Get great at business (which is also a skill you won’t lose) and a few hours of work will get you dozens of model-like 20yo prostitute.
The progression curve is pretty much linear for game, while it is exponential for business.
Inner game is always needed (and successful entrepreneurs/ceo have plenty of it), but is sarging in clubs really worth your nights?
Bingo!
Why stop at prostitutes – why not a Fleshlight? Or one of those Japanese sex robots? Feels about the same, and if the main consideration here is savings, it’s even cheaper, both in time and money.
In fact, you wouldn’t have to learn game OR business – double win!
As with anything worthwhile, learning game takes a ton of time and effort. The payoff, however, will be well worth it. Lose your job, lose your money and no more prostitutes. You’re now back at square one. Have game, lose your job, lose your money and you will still get pussy.
Sometimes, you just want a warm body and real tits. The sex toys can’t compete.
You’re right, game is a skill so you won’t lose it. But have you ever wondered why lottery winners blow it all in a few years while you can take a selfmade man’s money and he’ll get it all back very quickly? Money-making is also a skill you won’t lose.
well yeah, you get your rocks off even if you jack off with a fleshlight, but i think we`re all here to find ways of becoming better men that can attract a better variety of woman so we can get the realthing. if not for this, we`d all be on xhamster (or whatever your fav porn site is) all day long.
You know what?. The old guys look like my dad, those over 65 look like Grand Pa. I do not care how much they go to the gym or how many face lifts and hair implants they have, they still are not the same as that 35 yr old pumped up guy. Of course you gotta brag on them anyway, tell them they are the best we ever had, wish they could all be like him….etc….it works well. The old guys do have more MONEY though and that is the only thing that matters. Oh …one old guy had chest and calve implants….that was strange.
Nope, No job, no money = no pussy!!!! In fact not even coffee or tea time with you.
I agree that making money is a skill you never lose:)
Yes some men should just leave women a lone and get a blow up doll!
yeah that cost more though.
Yes that is called a “Buy Out”
I can see merits in the following ways:
1. The obvious is related to the point of “everyone pays.” Either you pay money, or you pay in time and effort. The latter, if done right, can reap rewards later in making you a better man for your own edification and reward. That’s longitudinal, and something that you can build upon over time. If you lose money, you can always make more money. You can’t get back time and effort.
2. For the guy who has some hang-ups about sex, going to a hooker now and then might be beneficial in helping to reduce the anxiety and demystify women — not to mention the purported purity of virginity. That is, instead of completely buying into the romantic bullshit that a woman is pure and innocent, which then has the unintended consequence of elevating anxiety, seeing a woman as just a collection of body parts can help in seeing sex as a bodily function — which is what it is, essentially. This is taking the reductionist stance.
Also remember that, in history, prostitution was tolerated despite the religious fervor of the time. It was a way for men to gain carnal knowledge before marriage, so that they could please their future wives better. To me, that’s being more honest than what some chicks like to pull with “oral sex isn’t real sex,” “the guy I banged on vacation isn’t real sex,” “I’m still a virgin if he does anal.” Far less cognitive dissonance by banging a hooker.
3. Some “punters” about there have talked about paying for a short-term relationship, especially in SE Asia where this thing is relatively common among the pros. That is, instead of paying for one night, you’re renting the girl as your companion for a week or longer. She fucks you, but also cooks, cleans, and shows you around her city or town. She could very well be “girlfriend” quality during that time. And, isn’t that better than some crack whore with lifeless eyes?
It is the oldest profession in the world and arguably, many women get into it voluntarily. Most men are paying for sex/relationships, whether through prostitution or the traditional route. Many men say prostitution made more sense than getting married in the modern era, when looking back at their marriages. In this sense it can be a social good. Prostitution will also help resolve the fact that when 105 males are born to 100 females, advances in healthcare and the fact more males live, and when you look and India and China with 113 males to 100 females, it will help alleviate social tensions more short of war.
Finally, take note that the Uk is starting to ban pornography wholesale. This is obviously retarded and can you imagine an underground porn industry for a country which is 3rd in online porn internet pages. This is clearly an attack on men, which prostitution will be lassoed into and made illegal. Once the elite ‘feminists’ in power control the food, money, land, oil and sex; then men have no recourse but to do what the other person tells them to, or else. How ridiculous.
I for one have never used prostitutes, but may or may not do in future. However, the right to CHOOSE should remain mine and not be influenced or compelled by external forces that mean malice for me and my fellow man. End of story.
The UK is not banning pornography, they’re attempting an opt-in scheme for adults. Whatever the limitations of that scheme, technical and otherwise, you can “CHOOSE” it if you want.
Tex, if you think it is going to remain opt in? I have some beach front property in arizona I would like to sell you.
I have written to all members of the UK parliament and asked them 2 things basically.
1. Show me where you get the right to violate my properly claimed right of travel. They can’t even do that.
2. What is your position on women being held equal before the law to men. Not one answer out of 625 members.
Those two things should tell you that the UK is a police state. None of their 625 MPs can answer even the simplest of questions.
if that were true, then the filter should have remained OFF by default and “concerned mommies and daddies” should have to opt in. having the filter on by default is tantamount to censorship and is just the latest chapter in a series of worrisome feminazi-inspired laws that will drive rational and courageous men eastwards in an attempt to flee this estrogen-fueled wasteland
It is the oldest profession in the world and arguably, many women get into it voluntarily. Most men are paying for sex/relationships, whether through prostitution or the traditional route. Many men say prostitution made more sense than getting married in the modern era, when looking back at their marriages. In this sense it can be a social good. Prostitution will also help resolve the fact that when 105 males are born to 100 females, advances in healthcare and the fact more males live, and when you look and India and China with 113 males to 100 females, it will help alleviate social tensions more short of war.
Finally, take note that the Uk is starting to ban pornography wholesale. This is obviously retarded and can you imagine an underground porn industry for a country which is 3rd in online porn internet pages. This is clearly an attack on men, which prostitution will be lassoed into and made illegal. Once the elite ‘feminists’ in power control the food, money, land, oil and sex; then men have no recourse but to do what the other person tells them to, or else. How ridiculous.
I for one have never used prostitutes, but may or may not do in future. However, the right to CHOOSE should remain mine and not be influenced or compelled by external forces that mean malice for me and my fellow man. End of story.
hell yeah…and i didn’t even read the article.
Alphas, men with game, can be unemployed and still keep their wives or girlfriends. In fact, they’d be gladbto support him. Betas will lose their wives or girlfriends because betas rely on their providing capabilities to capture pussy…they don’t rely on game. Learn game, get poosey.
Why is this downvoted?
My guess: weak men raging and sobbing at the prospect of not being able to pull off what strong men do with ease.
Unless it’s by people who just think the term “alpha” is silly and overdone, in which case, the voting makes some sense.
Criminals who get thrown in jail aren’t alphas. The criminals at the top raking it in are alphas. You’re saying game is sociopathy, which it might be as sociopathy is ‘in’. But women who love sociopaths in our dysfunctional society are scum themselves. Your last statement should read ‘Become a sociopath, get poosey’.
WTF are you talking about? Have you misread my comment? I have made no comments about criminals. There are alpha males who are unemployed and get tons of pussy just as there are beta males who are employed and get no pussy. Learning game does not make one a sociopath. Being unemployed does not make one a sociopath either. Having game means relying on charisma and personality to score pussy…not earning a six figure income to pull pussy. Men relying on their professions or there money to get pussy are already losing the game. Athlone Mcguiness has written an article on ROK where he proves that money won’t get the beta male any pussy any longer. Relying on providership game proves you have no game.
Running to prostitutes because you haven’t got the patience to learn game and a thick skin to withstand rejection is the domain of loserdom.
More of this hackneyed BS, datta?
Game and overconfidence work on:
* women with biology PhDs you meet at conferences
* high school graduates who work at the hair salon, who you pick up at happy hour
* the career climber feminist who gets introduced via blind date
* the quiet, modest blonde who’s super into her church’s under-30 groups
* the yoga instructor you start talking to in the Whole Foods produce section
Feel free to keep denying it in article comments, but eventually you’ll realize that “just being yourself” and saying to women: “I’m so sorry to interrupt…but…ummmm….you’re really pretty…and….ummm… can we go out sometime?” doesn’t work on 95%+ of women.
Athlone Mcguiness showed that money alone won’t be enough, but at equal game it definatly helps.
Your last comment is attacking me personally and not my argument, which shows a lack of reasoning ability. I don’t use prostitutes, but defend the right that the choice should be there. I take on board what you said about the rest.
You didn’t even have the balls to identify yourself. And that’s not how I play things out. I’m not a game denialist, but it has minimal returns. You, however, must be such a master PUA that you have girls begging for your 2 incher all the time, just like Vince Kelvin.
You are 100% correct because I’ve seen it personally for myself. One girl gave up her job willingly to follow an unemployed guy to another country simply because his Game was absolute top notch. It’s very hard to attain that level though and most guys won’t be able to achieve it sadly
dude think about the animal kingdom. Does a lion “provide for his family” ? Fuck no. He is true alpha. He lays around all day while his bitches (plural) fucking serve him. They bring the food and he eats first, when he’s done they can have the rest. When he feels like it he fucks them and they take it. Primates? Same thing. A silverback gorilla runs his little group of hoes, he fucks them all and will only occasionally lease them out to others. When bitches beg for your cock, and will do anything to have it. If you’ve reached the top of the social pyramid.
The Female Lion does KILL the Male…LOL!
Also as you said TOP OF THE SOCIAL PYRAMID….He pays. No woman just gives it away…..PERIOD
Your zoology is really lacking. A female Lioness would have no chance against the much larger and stronger male lion so I don’t know where the hell you get that from. I guess there are occassional aberrations in every scenario but yes women do just “give it away” it happens all the time. Men who are socially skilled “game” women by projecting a charming, charismatic, personality. If your really good the women buy you drinks (me!) and then you fuck them and never call again. Like a Boss!
My point was the female lion does the killing.
No woman buys you drinks, you are only dreaming and of course. When men are drinking they cannot screw anyway….FACT.
Real respectable high end whores never really drink with a man, they just fake him out.
“My point was the female lion does the killing.”
Nice try, Joan. You clearly wrote, “The female Lion does KILL the MALE”. You didn’t say “the female lion does the killing.” It is doubtful that it was a typographical error. You are just attempting to save face by back pedaling.
“No woman buys you drinks?”
Lot’s of us have had women hit on us, some even buy you dinner.. Stop projecting your own apparent lack of attractiveness on others.
“When men are drinking they cannot screw”
Fact? Another half-truth. An excessive amount of alcohol may inhibit performance, but a couple of drinks are unlikely to do that. Another case where you are wishfully thinking and calling it “fact”.
You know even less about high-end providers than you profess to know about men, zoology, or life in general. You can continue to believe that men are slave to sexual desire. They may have an affinity to be with attractive women, but that still doesn’t translate to all women, let alone most women, having that kind of power over men.
Most of all, none of that alleged power is default for merely being female.
Hahaha, well done. She is such a retard. Joanie pooh is actually claiming to be a millionaire In fact, she isn’t here to troll for male attention she’s actually researching her next book in order to make her “4th million” – even though she apparently can’t type for shit..
YES THEY DO. In fact one paid me!
Where have been all your life ?
Under a rock ?
Oh my! What do we have here ? An embittered female ?
WOMAN DO BUY DRINKS! About a year ago a woman bought me a drink right in front of her boyfriend! She also asked me to dance! On the dance floor she could no stop callng me “awesome”
You don’t know that much either, Cody Stark.
I’ll bring some precisions in what you said.
Yes, the lionesses are the main hunters in a group of lions. MAIN. Not the only one. Males actually do hunt, but they’re just less good at it and don’t it as often because they’re supposed to watch the territory.
The lionesses do 80 to 90% of the hunt. Males are all in strength so they can protect their group, so they aren’t as fast so thus not as good at hunting.
Indeed, the dominant male eats first, then the females, then the cubs. Simple hierarchy.
Also, lions don’t fuck them “whenever they want”. A male’s reproducing period is short, usually it lasts from 2 to 4 years. And a male can’t fuck just any lioness whenever it feels like it, it actually has to wait for the female to say they’re okay with it.
And you’d surely be glad to know that in captivity, lionesses show homosexuality behaviour, but in the wild only males show homosexuality (8% of the sexual acts between lions are homosexual).
The lions sure are animals that follow the hiearchy. The male provides the females with a big territory and protection, the females provide the food.
But even if there is hierarchy, the females aren’t the male’s “bitches”, it’s more about a dependable and faithful group. For example when a young male attacks a group and the dominant to take over the group, making him leave, it’s common after that that the females “refuse” it and attack that young male.
They show respect to each other with hiearchy and by “asking” or waiting for the female to be ready to be impregnated, they lick each other, rub their head against each other’s (kind of like cats) to show affection too.
That was all for the lions lesson.
I don’t know as much about monkeys, but in most animals actually they live in a hiearchy (sometimes inversed, the female being the leader), dependable and respectful manner. It is not a simple “He’s the King, does whatever he wants, is lazy all day, fucks when he wants, and they do everything. MALE DOMINANCE, BITCH”
Life and nature aren’t that easy and selfish.
It’s all about working together to survive.
It’s not that simple. The male Lion must protect his pride. The Lion goes out of his way to hunt down and kill predators and opportunists who would threaten his pride. It’s no easy life, he could be killed.
Lionesses doing the hunting is like women washing the dishes–the least one could expect in light of the sacrifice a man makes.
Nothing “Alpha” about it, just a simple trade off.
An alpha of the “pride” usually has a very bad ending. Once he can no longer fight and defeat a younger lion his either killed by the challenger or thrown out the pride. An old lion can’t hunt and it is a slow cruel death of starvation which is why hunting is not always frowned on by Game Rangers.
So being an ” alpha” is hard work once he cannot protect the pride and fight off the younger male lions his of no use.
Apologies for being a ” smarty pants” I do understand what you mean.
If a girl is sticking with you when you are consistently unemployed, it’s not because you’re an Alpha, pimp, or player, it’s because she’s a low-quality ho.
I do agree with you in the sense that the Alpha male will definitely “get poosey”, but I am also certain that your definition of an Alpha is much different than mine. I know you technically haven’t defined what you consider “Alpha”, but I already know what you’d say based on your douchey way speaking. I am also willing to bet that you are in your mid-to-late 20’s (maybe early 30’s), definitely not married, and are making 70K or less with no hope of ever making more than that (and you never will).
You know that you will never be success you need to be to become a true Alpha so your brain has subconsciously built up defenses and turned you into an obnoxious douchebag that thinks he runs the show, but in reality, all of your friends are all bigger losers than you are. While I don’t doubt you may be the “Alpha” in your loser group of friends and, sure, you can name a bunch of ho’s that you bang on the regular, but don’t act like you’re an NBA player just because you can beat everyone in the D league.
LOVE IT JZ!!!
JZ: I’m not sure if your addressing me or Mr. Mitchell. If you are addressing me (because your White Knighting for the fat chick who’s trolling for male attention) then let me set the record straight. My douchey way of speaking? 70k? Actually, I do private security now for close to 200k so thats wrong. I am in my mid 20s so you got that right I guess. As for the chicks I bang – I would bet dollar to donuts they are far better looking then the warthog your waking up to every morning.
Does it require a man make more than 70 k a year
to be considered an Alpha ? I thought that Alpha was a
mindset combined with certain actions.
Obnoxious douchebag ? Better to be an Alpha
of a small group of “losers” than not at all at
anytime.
I’ll always have more respect for the leader of a band of losers who attained that leadership by being himself than the man who bangs all these hot women all over the place but only because he FAKED everybody around him into thinking he’s something he isn’t.
Believe you me, there are many men who fall into the latter group. And don’t be surprised if the grand majority of them are master players.
Look at that older Tsarnev brother, he collected welfare while his wife (who converted to Islam for him) worked 80 hours a week. How do you explain freerolls such as these?
That happens only if she doesn’t think she can do better or you have an emotional hold on her.
Yeah, which when you are a bad boy, who probably beats her and tortures her emotionally, then go bomb a world famous marathon for your beliefs…Wheeeewww, taking a breath…thereby gaining a following of wet pussied dumb bitches who start a web page of women who want to steal her man though he is in prison…tells me everything I need to know about American women.
Except I would bomb a feminist headquarters if I was going to do anything. The only draw back is that any web page by loose, wet pussied “feminists,” wanting to “educate me” when they “train me in prison visits” will be drowned out to teach me a lesson!
Of course, after several of them get pregnant, plus a few prison guards, and then they help me set up my drug ring and perform money drops for hits I will make; only then will the media stop covering it. We can’t afford the sheeple to wake up can we?
the guy who gets pussies wet is the younger unmarried brother
There is a lot of truth in the above. I have seen many women in the younger generation in the UK go for guys who it is hard to classify – they have no money (apart from welfare/small parental contribution), no game (for sure, know some guys like this), and are not in any way alpha or beta (hardworking).
They have no life skills. They cannot protect their women. They are not physically attractive and many are short. The culture here has denigrated to the point where the most important thing is being in the same social group as them, and many women(18-24) go for such guys in their prime years. I did not see this in the US, but it is mostly a Uk and somewhat European thing. Such UK men are the most pathetic and useless example of the species I have ever come across and whilst there are many decent men hard at work who may or may not be getting play, all the useless guys with free time have time to mack on girls.
The welfare state and more socialist countries allow men like this to thrive, but the idea that any of these guys are worthy of being called men is a joke. They will be the first ones to suck government cock whenever they come calling. So much for the ‘men of the West’. That’s why I don’t believe in game being a lasting phenomenon, because such men are rewarded with the means to live so that the few producers can have their energies drained buy these parasites, so the established order is not challenged. The next time the economy goes down, within a decade or less, the welfare state and social security will be abolished as we cannot pay for it and these guys will starve.
These are not attractive guys, they just happened to be there and the women liked their dependence or something else about them on a whim. If you approach enough cute women, one will be interested in you, especially if they are young and naive and you are a similar age. So women are essentially picking evolutionary losers and these women in normal times would be evolutionary losers themselves. The truth may hurt, but hey, its the truth.
That is not socialism. In fact, the Welfare State was created to prevent Socialism (read Keynes, he is the father of the beast). Of course it is a good creation if you´re one of the excluded, but in the end the effects of transfers in an economy which does not have a place for lots of people are deleterious. This does not mean that you should eliminate the transfers: it would signify the ruin and abject poverty for millions.
A change will come in the next years, the questions lingers if it will be done by bloody revolution, or peaceful democratic means, and if the result will be a more developed and inclusive society, or a fascist state.
Looking at some of the attitudes in Europe, its leaning towards isolated fascist states, where people are tired of paying high taxes into welfare systems abused by foreigners.
Seth,
“I have seen many women in the younger generation in the UK go for guys who it is hard to classify”
I saw this often when I was in London. What you are seeing is how men have stopped dating and are no longer interested. Even very good looking women are reduced to dating betas and worse.
When I used to go to my local bar in the UK on soccer nights the men would shoo the women away like so many flies. It really was pretty amazing to see men push women away.
On friday night drinks at the same bar you would see young men trying to talk to women and the women would treat then like crap. I would take the lads aside and advise them to show some self respect and not even talk to women who speak to you badly.
Since I was alpha I used to give some of these young women who dissed the poor betas quite a hard time. The behaviour of younger women in the UK was really quite disgraceful.
“I saw this often when I was in London. What you are seeing is how men have stopped dating and are no longer interested.”
“When I used to go to my local bar in the UK on soccer nights the men would shoo the women away like so many flies”
dude, reading this feels so……
motherfucking good
I can tell you that the first time I saw men rejecting the approaches of women in the UK in 2008 I was really very surprised….
I was in the UK a lot in 2009-10. I rented an apartment there and had a little local pub about 50 meters away. The women simply could not get the attention of most of the men…the men were not interested. Good look women in their 20s were going home with guys in the 50s. The young men were saying no.
MMm I think you’re talking about the gay pub near Picadilly.
You’re not wrong there. I’m in New Zealand, but have watched a show called Jeremy Kyle on occasion, and both the males and females that feature on that are pathetic examples of the species, and they’re breeding(and being paid to breed) even more pathetic examples, some of them can barely talk anymore they’re so devolved, it’s like a new sub-species
You are 100% correct!
Which one of you Punks removed my comment???
I said STEWIE was 100% correct!!!
Eh, depends on what you want out of it. A lot of men just want the old in-and-out. They want the physical feeling so that they can release.
Men like me want, most of all, to know that we are desired by a woman. We get validation in the only way that counts, by getting a woman to give away the goods using nothing more than charm and whatever looks we were born with.
Prostitution is the easy way out. If you are an MGTOW, and hate what it entails to get women amidst their BS, then paying for it so she leaves right away makes sense.
The problem is finding the right prostitute I imagine?
For one, you obviously don’t want an addict, for she will let “You go shower first” and then rob you. OTH, you can date a woman and pay for all the things mentioned in the article, and get a false accusation. Or marrying a “precious princess” and get ass raped in divorce; or get trapped into a pregnancy even if you did everything short of getting snipped.
Basically, all women are dishonest, but hookers, high quality ones anyways, are honest about their dishonesty. Yet, for a good one, you are going to pay top dollar for access.
So gentlemen: Do you, or don’t you? It is sadly a personal choice in the modern world that though in times past a man would be rightly shunned for banging a ho; today’s perils of relational game do make it an attractive option to many men.
No one is going to win the argument. Basically, a man must choose his vice; for the traditional and supposedly “noble” route is anything but fraught with risk. Choose wisely!
I have seen so many unproductive, nonalpha, useless men with women that I think luck comes into play for many men; moreso than game or being a productive and real man. Game is merely a sign of the times, but few can master it and even then it is arguably at whether game is ‘just not fucking up’. It certainly does not dramatically increase the success rate for approaches made.
Men having more success with women are often younger, oftentimes taller and have lots of free time (at least in the UK), though money may matter more in the US and other places. Being younger and in the right social group helps more than anything else. This ‘success’ is not so much game as due to circumstances. Also, many women choose worthless men as long-term partners so the guy does not leave them; these men are a reflection of the women themselves.
Feminazi ‘choice’ is taking away other peoples’ liberties to indulge your own narcissism. This has led to an increasingly dysfunctional society. There’s no point whining as its not masculine and women don’t listen anyways (until its too late). So men should be free of women’s social impositions such as marriage and the like until women give men what men actually want. Men should have the power of choice too.
I think it also depends a lot on what you do for work.
If you have a busy demanding job you want sex to be relaxing and adventurous in and of itself.
If you are a college kid you can go chase pussy and fail and no big deal.
If you work alone a lot or work in more technical business with less people interaction…. your weekend skills for picking up girls are going to be less sharp no matter how many of Roosh’s books you read.
I’d love to hit up girls in the mall and on the train or in the coffee shop, but usually I simply ain’t got the time of day for it and frankly I find my work more important and more interesting.
Roosh made an occupation out of it…. good on him….. but that is a what a player is…. you can’t be a player and also have a job as a computer programmer…. sorry…… that’s BS.
So in a sense Roosh is selling you his stories more than his skills…. unless you live his lifestyle unlikely it will apply to you….
If you want to be a pro surfer….. quit the day job and go live in Hawaii… horses for courses….. for everyone else…. there are taxis……
I am a computer programmer. I hit girls up on the train, the grocery store, the bar, the parking lot. You are making excuses. You literally need 5 minutes or less to number crunch a girl. What in the fuck are you talking about?
Others, especially newbies. Please disregard this. This guy is the reason why I even shy away from letting girls know I work in tech because they think all of us are uptight like this guy is. Truth is most programmers have tons of intellect and many hobbies including physical ones.
Read your post twice now, makes me sicker the second time even.
Do not post this shit, you do not belong here. You are not acting like a man.
Oh Come on! Where is the Love???
“. You literally need 5 minutes or less to number crunch a girl. What in the fuck are you talking about”
Number crunching? You mean 5 minutes to get some scag’s phone number? Any idiot can do that and most likely it will be a fake number or she will give you radio silence when you try to call or text her (and today it is better to text because calling is considered ‘creepy’ by today’s females) and inbetween the time you got her number and contacted she probably already spread her legs for the dude with the gram of coke.
I don’t buy the “you always pay” argument. It’s not that you don’t always pay – everything costs something. But when you pay with seduction techniques, a woman still has to find you attractive and be turned on to sleep with you. Game was developed to make it easier for men, but it’s still harder than paying a hooker, and without the satisfaction of knowing you’ve, well, seduced someone.
However I’m not against prostitution. A player might use it when he just wants the quick bang. It might be good for a desperate omega just to demystify sex and take the pressure off. It has its place, but dependence on it will hinder your growth. My advice is to treat it like fast food, a fun indulgence once in a great while. If that’s your thing.
Get better inner-game, listen to Roissy, get overconfident. Your ego shouldn’t be lay-related.
I didn’t say it should be, but I still enjoy the fruits of seduction. Which come from sound inner and outer game.
I will neither confirm nor deny…
Damn, that was the quickest upvote I ever got..
Good or not good, prostitution gives to men, especially to old men, more options. More options – better world.
Yes OLD ones are good:)
I wouldn’t take part in it, but legalizing prostitution would marginalize American women much more than marrying foreign women does. Which is why I am a proponent of such legislation, among other reasons.
John,
why legalise prostitution when it is already lawful? You men need to learn that legislation is not law. But I have been telling men that for FOUR YEARS now and you are not inclined to actually believe the TRUTH.
That’s all well and good for a philosophical argument. But that legislation is backed up by men with guns.
I also believe it is awful for me to put any substance into my body that I choose. But people with guns and a legislative imperative to throw me into a concrete box if they catch me believe otherwise.
“But that legislation is backed up by men with guns.”
So? I have had LOTS of men point guns at me. So what? If you can be cowed just because someone threatens you? You are not a man. You are a child.
I mean all these men paying alimony and child support? What a bunch of losers. I PROVED that these were voluntary payments FIVE AND A HALF YEARS AGO.
A judge told me “if you do not pay these I will throw you in jail” And I told him “If you unlawfully throw me in jail you had better put me in their longer than Mandella because when I get out my first order of business will be to kill you.” At least they were relayed via my lawyer.
Guess what? No arrest warrant. No alimony. No child support. No issues. Hell, the Irish High Court can’t even get a video I put on you tube taken down.
You men only go to jail for rubbish like alimony, child support, dope etc because you are too gutless to tell the judge you will kill him if he unlawfully incarcerates you and MEAN IT. Which I did of course.
So if you are too gutless to defend your liberty with force, up to and including deadly force? You do not deserve your liberty. You SHOULD be locked up at the will of a judge who wants to make money off you. Why not? You won’t fight back. He knows that.
Hell…I learned this stuff before I even went to school. If you do not stand up to a bully you get more bullying. I guess most men are not of the same character that I was when I was 5….no wonder you are so cowed by men with guns.
By the way? I also stood up for myself in front of a German judge in front of FOUR armed cops.
“backed up by men with guns”
What a bunch of losers if you let men tell you what to do just because they have guns. Don’t you know where to buy a gun?
Ohhhh! You’re the nutbag from the-Spearhead.
OK dude. Go solicit a prostitute in NYC in open view of an American cop. When they tell you to get on the ground, tell them to “pound sand” and hire someone to videotape the results of that interaction, and give everyone a good laugh.
You guys are such gutless cowards. I sat in a German court in front of 4 armed police officers and told the judge he had no jurisdiction over me and none of the legislation he referred to applied to me. The cops were not happy but no evidence was produced to the contrary.
The judge said he would fine me a substantial amount of money and I said I would not pay it as no evidence had been presented that the legislation applied to me and I had a room full of people see that no such evidence was provided.
So..after you have told a JUDGE that he can “pound sand” or told a JUDGE that if he unlawfully incarcerates you that you will kill him? THEN get back to me.
Apart from that? Cowards like you deserve to be oppressed by cops. You are too gutless to stand up to bullies? You deserve to be bullied. Your NYC cops are the biggest bunch of doughnut munching slobs on the planet.
even if you did do all those things you claim to have done, you can`t expect all of us to wantonly challenge cops or judges to send us to jail. i`m sure many men that are in jail right now were sent there for unjust/fabricated reasons, so why in the world would you set yourself up for total failure unless you absolutely have to? there`s brave and then there`s reckless, is all i`m saying. most of us have too much to lose to break the laws openly.
“most of us have too much to lose to break the laws openly.”
Wah, wah, wah…the guvment might hurt me if I stand up for myself. What a bunch of losers. The thought never crossed my mind to allow a mere judge commit a crime against me with impunity let alone a mere cop.
You gutless wonders deserve what is happening to you.
“even if you did do all those things you claim to have done”
The typical disrespect you losers show to REAL MEN. I even video recorded a family court meeting in front of two cops despite the fact EVERYONE will tell you that family court matters can not be recorded. I put it on you tube and kept it there by telling Eric Schmidt I would prosecute him for obstruction of justice if he let be removed.
And you losers are too chicken to tell some beat cop to go “pound sand” because he has no jurisdiction. Hell, you don’t even know that what you are talking about with prostitution is legislation and NOT LAW.
Dumb, ignorant stupid men. You deserve everything that is happening to you. Gutless wonders.
honestly dude, enough macho bravado. how far do you think you can push the envelope until you meet some hard-headed prick who`ll throw you in jail for the sheer fun of showing he`s in charge? i admire bravery, but as i said before, recklessness is more likely to get you killed than it is to get you laid.
Yup. Then I’m sure you went home and pounded nails into concrete with your cock.
Eric,
your comments…and THOUSANDS like them over the last FIVE YEARS have changed my mind 180 degrees about you western men. I used to think that I was “normal”. That in the face of injustice it was NORMAL not to tolerate the injustice and to stand up for truth, justice and equality before the law.
I have been doing that my whole life. When I realised that men in the west were so stupid they could not solve their own problems with the family court and guvments I decided to take time away from my business and fix it for them. It was an act of love and compassion for my fellow men who were clearly incapable of sorting out their own problems.
And how have I been treated for this act of love and compassion for my fellow men? Well? Uncle Elmer is here. He can attest to how many men called me names and disrespected me over on the spearhead.
You men deserve exactly what is happening to you. You are being taught a lesson. That lesson is “do unto others as you would have them do unto you”. You men show no respect for your betters and elders.
If you men had a brain between you? You would be kissing my arse for what I have done for men. But you are such man-hating, sexist, discriminatory bigots that even when a man does FAR MORE than anyone else not only do you not show him the respect he has earned? You attempt to insult him.
Well? You can attempt to insult me all you like. All the man hatred expressed at me has done is to make me unwilling to spend my time on men for no charge. If they are not going to show me the respect I have earned? Then they can PAY ME for my time, just like anyone else.
And those men who can not afford to pay me, or do not want to pay me, so as to get them out of FC hell and who go on to kill their wife and/or children? The blood of that woman and those kids are on YOUR HANDS….because you and thousands like you attempted to insult a man who might have done more if you men had not be so disgusting.
There are LOTS of men killing themselves from divorce. And you are such a man-hater you don’t care that they are killing themselves because you just hated on the man who has done more than anyone else to help them.
So this bullshit you men spew about “brotherhood” and “bros before hoes”? It is just that. Bullshit. You men do not care about your fellow men at all. And that is blatantly obvious to me now.
Like I said. You men deserve everything happening to you because you are gutless cowards…and you try to insult those of us who have got the guts to do what you are too cowardly to do.
Western men are disgusting in the vast majority.
I know several hookers that hate the cops, because they arrest them and then tell them, now you phuck me for free or I put you in jail for the night and u don’t make any money, LOL!
“you can`t expect all of us to wantonly challenge cops or judges to send us to jail.”
Well, given that in FIVE YEARS the only other men who have had the GUTS to do this are mates of mine what does that make the REST of you.
And how does me standing up and tell you what I have done suddenly translate in to “all of us”.
What a bunch of gutless losers the vast majority in the west are. Cops, judges and politicians are public SERVANTS.
Why are you afraid of your SERVANTS, eh?
you got that right!!!!:) They are known to try that all the time. Some hookers have cop friends too.
Cops also arrest the tricks as you know it is called a reverse sting.
I like that, but Germany is different from the US. No one here is dumb enough to tell a Judge that. Our Judges like to prove that THEY are not cowards.
Yes the men here are disgusting, just ask any woman and if she is honest she will concur. Plus they ALL think they are GOOD LOOKING, Hell they ALL cannot be good looking. YOu should see how some of them try to flirt, talk big, brag etc…they are so full of shit!!!
Most of the men in Jail belong there!
He does not understand ANYTHING Peter. He only knows how to bash you if you speak the truth. He does not want to hear the truth, he likes his fantasy world.
I like you!!!!:)
You need to listen more to Peter, Dude!
You guys are gutless. besides (Getting Laid) can get you killed too, it is called AIDS!!!
Joan,
I have told a judge in Ireland that if he unlawfully jailed me I would kill him. I have denied the jurisdiction of the Australian Federal Magistrates Court in Australia…I even video recorded it and put it on you tube. Everyone will tell you how you can’t video record a family court matter.
I can assure you that your US judges are just as big a bunch of bullies and cowards as any other judges from any other countries. The only reason they push people around is because MEN LET THEM.
Some of my colleagues in the US have faced down judges and magistrates in the same way. One of my colleagues in Canada who was brave enough to deny the jurisdiction of the family court over alimony in 2009 actually had the judge (female) break into shrieking hysterics and run screaming from the room in what looked very much like a mental breakdown to him.
He has never heard from them again and has not been chased for alimony for 4 years. These judges are just bully boys. And the way to deal with bullies has ALWAYS been to stand up to them no matter you might get a whipping yourself.
Period.
Well you must not be a western woman then. Western women HATE ME with a passion. Where are you from?
just like women deserve to be paid 10k$ a month for “living expenses”, right? stop drinking the koolaid and look around a bit, might do you some good. just cause they say it doesn`t make it true. i`m sure you can find plenty of stats on the web regarding incarcerations, i won`t bother enlightening you.
i was referring to the ODDS of getting killed from each, whereby recklessness can get you killed a lot faster than fucking. ugh. you`re just here to start shit, aren`t you?
No we never want it legal, I agree.
It saves time. If a seduction take 7 hours, I can work 6 of those hours, spend an hour with a escort and have 3 hours worth of money left over. Works for me. And I get to choose exactly the look & performance I desire.
Also, I’m older. The odds of me seducing a 22 year old hottie are slim. The odds of me having a serious relationship with a 22 year old hottie are astronomically remote. So a 22 year old escort is a reasonable short term solution.
As for that 32 year old, she’s putty in my hands.
The time you put in money also gives you skills that makes an escort cost less and less time as you get better at business.
In many ways, good Escorts are more honest and worthy of respect then regular/civilian women as the latter is akin to a Union Cartel trying to maintain their monopoly / privilege / over-inflated valve by going on strike, while Escorts themselves are roughly equivalent to Strike-breakers / Scabs / Rats.
When done right, Punting can actually help men master Game if that is their goal as it demystifies women, with the accumulated experience men gain instilling the right attitude when interacting with beautiful women outside of punting (e.g. for every beautiful women there is a man who is sick of her, etc) as well as giving inexperienced men a reference point of sorts (particularly when it comes to exploring fetishes / fantasies or discovering what their preferences in women are).
Having said that, it can take a while to find a decent regular you click with and even then, its best to remain unattached at the end of the day (in order to prevent whatever feelings you have from interfering with your punting or affecting your Game outside of punting).
Fwiw, when it comes to meeting Escorts (depending on where you live), it is advisable to go the safe route by going to a Punting website/forum that allow one to request feedback for a particular Escort and verify whether the reviews/info is genuine before deciding whether to see her or not (whilst making sure you play it safe and cautious).
“if that is their goal as it demystifies women”
Demystifing females is step always step one.
Reminds me of this graphic :
http://www.the-spearhead.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/argosy-1.gif
For a good time, googleImages(“argosy magazine”). Them were the days.
One clear indication of the value prostitutes provide is this – look at how many rich, successful and even famous men use them. Men that also have no trouble getting sex for free. PUAs saying it´s some low or dirty thing of losers are just projecting their own insecurities about women. Kings and the upper class ALWAYS had prostitutes working for them.
High end prostitutes provide a lot more than sex – they are basically your servants. They do whatever you want, when you want it, they come and go whenever you want, and they never complain. And you don´t have to give them any of the many things you have to give a girlfriend – all the time, affection, reassurance, etc. If all you want is fast, good sex with zero effort on your part, no PUA in the world could get that as well as a guy with the money to buy it.
I think of all the time I´ve spent seducing women – and all the energy – only to get an OK fuck out a 7… when I get rich I´m hiring straight up geishas bitch!
Of course, game gives a poor return on investment unless you get great sex and intimacy at the end. That takes both good target selection and skill and passion from your part. The carousel of jumping through hoops in countless shitty dive bars to get lousy one night stands where you blow your load in 20 seconds is pretty retarded. Home in on a worthwhile girl and make her your wanton sex slave as long as you keep her with you, and that’s more like it.
You make it sound like a Herculean task to have a few girls available for good weekly sex .
Do properly-run day game and social circle game, while mixing in some some low-key (inexpensive) dates, and you can keep three or four women available for casual sex on for months-and-months at a time.
Where did I give that impression? I actually agree with you 🙂 My idea is to maximize return on investment in fact. Working hard to get a lousy lay and always having to start afresh with someone new, just to get another notch, does not make much sense to me. I much prefer to aim for one or a few which I actually like and get regular awesome sex practically on demand. And of course aim to always have fresh prospects in the pipeline.
Yes but do not think they are only screwing you….HA HA, they too have 3 or 4 guys that you know NOTHING about.
Also that is a great way to get herpes, throat cancer and even HIV….Good Luck! 🙂
You still need to be atleast relatively attractive to do this. Most guys cannot do this.
Most men become rich because they have no idea how to get women.
Then, they end up rich, and realize they still have no idea how to get women.
So they buy women, and try not to think about the fact that they’re fucking women who’ve already been fucked six ways from Sunday that day already by two guys with herp and one guy with the clap, who may or may not have bothered to put on their jimmy hats.
Even with high end escorts.
There’s a large, valuable market for heroine, but just because a market exists doesn’t mean that the thing itself is inherently good.
There is simply demand, and supply. Valuable? Not valuable? All depends on what metric we’re using to measure “value”.
Right – spoken by someone who’s never had any significant amount of cash.
Guys with money attract women just BECAUSE they have money. For many of these guys it’s simpler to just pay a prostitute than to weed out the gold diggers.
When referring to the illegal narcotic substance (as opposed to a woman who happens to be some kind of hero), it’s spelled:
H-E-R-O-I-N.
No “e” on the end. You’re welcome.
(Unless, of course, you were being witty and making a pointed reference to the social demand for pseudo-empowered, “you go, grrrl” mascots in our misbegotten age of female narcissism passing as genuine independence……
*thinks about it*
…. Naahhhh.)
As someone who knows people in these circles I can tell you most of these men *don’t* use high-end call girls because they “can’t get women.” All they have to do to get women is drive their BMW to the local bar and show off their watches or call on a female fan if they’re a celebrity.
They use call girls because it cuts down on complications: the arguing, the accusations, “palimony,” alimony, pregnancy scares and public shaming. The latter is very important. See what happened with Anthony Weiner? He would have been less likely to have been outed by an escort. And as for celebrities, listen to the song “Billie Jean.” It’s about a woman shaking down a male celeb for child support for a kid that isn’t his — and it’s based on a true story. This is what happens when stars screw around with civilians not hookers or porn stars.
Yes, there are some rich betas who can’t talk to women. But there are more alphas who can’t be bothered with the complications and bullshit. When you’re used to being able to wave a credit card and get anything you want, it follows that you expect women to be a commodity as well.
This.
All the dudes dissing on hiring a hot escort obviously have never been with one. Or a talented Thai call girl.
These women are paid to show you a good time. The good ones actually enjoy it.
She’s a professional and knows the score. No phone calls, no bullshit, no muss, no fuss. Have a good time and get your rocks off.
If paying for sex is the only way you get it, then that IS a problem. But for men with options, paying for sex from time to time is a healthy outlet.
Is your ego so dependent on female validation that it would be destroyed if, *gasp* one woman was transparent about using you for money?
dude, you are overthinking it. there are two reasons rich/successful men pay for strange: variety and blue balls. so you either want to get laid immediately and your insignificant other is not there so you go to a whore, or – the more likely explanation to my mind – you`re just bored of your woman, regardless how fugly or cute she is. face it guys, you could have a bombshell at home and after a couple years of screwing her holes you`ll be bored of her and even begin to look at objectively uglier women as being more bangable than your ex-bombshell. as a wise man once said, you can`t reform biology. it`s in our nature/genes to want to fuck around and not be content with one-gina.
Game is a much better option than prostitution…hands down. Every time you go out to see a prostitute, you’ll pay out of pocket. Every single time. Sex without intimacy can be stale at times; in fact, intimacy heightens the passion and heat typically inherent in sex. And intimacy can only come from knowing a person and making an emotional connection with her. This is absent with prostitutes.
Time and effort invested in game will take you farther in life, not just with women but with friends, family, career, and acquaintances. Learning game, eating right, exercising, travelling, in sum developing your personality and broadening your horizon, all have side effects in addition to making you more appealing to women.
With game, you can land a girlfriend where you can have her come to your place, or you go to hers, and just fuck her free of charge. Taking her out to the movies or buying dinner isn’t always required to fuck her. She’s your woman and you’ve got access to her body whenever you want it without the cost you’d pay with a prostitute.
And being seen with your girlfriend in public will get other women attracted you, thus possibly increasing your notch count. Plus, if your woman is in love with you, you can expect her to pay for dates. There’s so much you can gain from game than from prostitutes.
When you’re done sexing a prostitute, you’ve got to leave. When you’re done sexing your woman, you can stay and wait for your sandwhich she’s making to feed you.
Game over prostitutes. Always.
Depends how scarce money is for you. Obviously you can order an escort to come to your place, cook you food, clean the place, etc. if you don’t care about the meter running. Most of these women build a regular clientele, so the intimacy won’t entirely be fake (just like a girlfriend’s isn’t entirely real)
dude, nobody goes to whores expecting cuddles afterwards and long walks on the beach. you pay up, get your rocks off, leave. it`s a one-off transaction, not some long drawn-out process that involves conniving your way into some woman`s holes. yes i agree that game is better over the long run cause it betters you as a well-rounded man, but whores are an absolutely acceptable short-term solution. and that is what this article was about, a quick fix for your pressure valves and nothing more.
I don’t have a strong view on them one way or the other.
Working in finance, I’ve had many encounters with them–and the guys who use them–in recent years. In certain restaurants and hotels in Newport Beach and Irvine, escorts are ubiquitous. If you order a certain cocktail in a certain restaurant in Newport Beach, the bartender will know you are asking to be introduced to an escort. And they are gorgeous.
You’d be surprised at how many cute, college-aged girls work part-time as escorts and/or strippers. I know some who fly to Las Vegas for a weekend job, and they’re back in the office in Orange County or Los Angeles on Monday morning.
You’d also be surprised at the number of married, good-looking alpha dads who make use of prostitutes. This is much more common than people think, especially in certain industries.
I suppose for a quick fuck to blow off some steam, and for some variety, prostitutes have their uses.
There is a lot of overthinking going on, and I come down heartily on the ‘for’ side mostly for practical reasons. I travel by sea to pretty and ugly places fairly regularly, and for the sake of business and crew safety have always made use of ‘land pilots’ to help our crew get around and make the most of time in port- this was taught to my by my first captain, who used prostitutes to provide protection for drunk and rowdy idiot sailors, local knowledge, and an ear to the ground wherever we went. This is in contrast to a more western use of prostitutes merely for sex, which is really missing out on a lot of the value that they offer.
Highly stressed sailors can get quick and enjoyable relief and companionship from someone who is motivated to see you enjoy yourself so that you will share the wealth a little and come back again to spend next time. I can’t say as to whether using them merely as a sexual outlet reduces you as a man, but I can say that it’s a waste. In most of the world, a good prostitute can be engaged for a few days at an agreed-on price, which includes duties as a bodyservant, local tour guide, bodyguard, cook, maid and of course, sexual partner. In real 3rd world shitholes, the girls are essential liasons with local officials and ensuring that none of the idiot sailors gets killed or rolled. Really, using them just for sex would insure that you’re just going to get a mechanical experience. Using them for their abilities outside the bedroom will improve the experience once you’re ready to pound them.
And that exposes a whole new facet I wasn’t even aware of. Very interesting, and in this context it makes perfect sense.
…it did lead to some funny conversations with my wife when I had to call and ask her to mail perfume or sneakers or makeup as payment for tour guide services.
Did the stab marks on your bedroom door have something to do with that, Captain? 😀
Refer to my No. 3 in my comment.
OK, story time.
A while ago I did visit a prostitute once. Uncharacteristically I was feeling very lonely and down on myself for reasons I won’t go into here. After a night out drinking, on a whim I went to a red light district and into this hooker’s room.
She was fairly attractive, mid twenties, and very friendly. She politely asked for the payment up front. She smiled a lot and made some small talk to put me at ease as we got in bed. The problem was that I was tired, stressed, depressed, nervous and shit faced drunk. Result: nothing. I suddenly discovered I was deader than Julius Caesar from the waist down. I mean not even Jesus Christ shouting through a loudhailer would have woken him up .. LOLZ! To her credit, she really did give it her best shot, but after many minutes of no response she said “You must have been drinking a lot huh .. sorry but I don’t see this working tonight”.
To her credit, she actually felt bad about it and told me “Look, I’ll give you my number, and whenever you want you can come back. I don’t want any more money”. She was a honest entrepreneur. She wanted me to be a satisfied customer by getting my money’s worth, which is more than can be said of many people .. haha.
I didn’t return though. After a couple of days I bounced back with a vengeance and slept with three or four new girls within a couple of weeks.
The reason for this anecdote? I’m not even sure. That time I decided to try the hooker approach and it didn’t even work out. Not hard (no pun intended) to see why though. I was in a bad state and feeling more sorry for myself than horny. However, I know deep down in my heart that even if I had managed to fuck her, the whole thing would have felt quite empty and pointless just the same. Not much better than jacking off, at least in the state of mind I was in anyway.
Does that mean I look down on those who find their thing with prostitutes, or that there is something wrong with it? Absolutely not. Different folks, different strokes (pun intended). Maybe in a future time even I will have to find temporary solace in a hooker.
The thing is though, although we can talk coldly about convenience, the cost of having sex – whether you pay for it on a transactional basis or not – and so on, there are many more intangible things which lift a man’s spirit. It’s like the concept of ‘job satisfaction’. What do you feel proud of the most?
The feeling of setting yourself a challenge and winning, of achieving something, of conquering, all have their important place. If that were not the case, maybe we would not even find sex with a woman more satisfying than masturbating or using a fake vagina. Think about it. In the end, we value the most what we have to work hard for.
Prostitutes are like the fast food of sex. You go pay your money and get your impersonal pussy burger with or without fries (and hopefully with no cheese in this case). Of course that’s much better than starving. But catching your own is like going on a safari to catch your own wild game and cook it to your satisfaction on an open fire, and then savoring every morsel. Both approaches have their time and place probably, but I’ll let you decide for yourself which one gives the most ‘job satisfaction’.
I’m afraid that for those who have decided to *only* use hookers, it says more about their approach to life itself than simply a sexual choice.
“The reason for this anecdote?”
Your small head brain looked into her maw of hell and deduced that a lifetime of herpes was not worth the few moments of false pleasure.
Listen to me guys, if you circumvent your small head’s wisdom you will regret it big time. If he doesn’t want to play there is probably a damn good reason for it.
“What do you feel proud of the most? The feeling of setting yourself a challenge and winning, of achieving something, of conquering, all have their important place.”
You want of conquest hasn’t to be filled by women, other area can give just as good if not better challenge (travel the world, start your business, anything you like).
Absolutely true. Conquering women is certainly not my only goal. But when comparing seduction vs paying a hooker, that is the greatest difference I see. In my own opinion anyway.
I couldn’t care less about seducing the woman… just like I couldn’t care less about running the farm where they grow angus cattle…..nor running the abattoir, butchers shop or fixing the refrigerators….. I just want the prime rump served up for my pleasure… I want white table clothes, silver service, a polite waiter, a discrete check with no surprises…. and no interruptions…..before, during or after……
I couldn’t care less about seducing the woman… just like I couldn’t care less about running the farm where they grow angus cattle…..nor running the abattoir, butchers shop or fixing the refrigerators….. I just want the prime rump served up for my pleasure… I want white table clothes, silver service, a polite waiter, a discrete check with no surprises…. and no interruptions…..before, during or after……
You’re just feeding your ego by thinking that sleeping with more girls than other guys make you better than them.
But it doesn’t, it just makes you better at picking up women, while other guys may be better at business or other things.’
That is why you and some of the other ‘players’ are so against prostitution: It challenges your belief that you’re better than other men.
Why else would you care what others do that has nothing to do without you? So do you like the women or do you like to brag and feel better than other men?
Grow up, there’s been players for aeons and they usually end their days once a powerful man – someone who didn’t spend their time only chasing women – decides that he’s had enough and either kills or banishes the player. Read some god damn history.
you have a good point… but you are also wrong…. women are a hassle to deal with…. period……. even a fantastic fantasy one night stand can turn into a draining 1/2 hour trying to get her out of your apartment…. or trying to get out of her place…..
you actually have to have a certain amount of game to get the best from a working girl…….. but when you do, there is no comparison.
They are just JUNKIES to it. It is an addiction for them.
I don’t know about you, but i prefer to have both: game skills and $ to bang any whore when i want.
Whats the point of arguing which is better when you can have it all? Its a scarcity thinking.
Think abundance.
As someone said on RVF: time is of much greater importance. For if you have time, you can master game, you can date in large numbers, you are able to develop business. One thing i’ve learned, is that having a long term relationship and living together with one girl… will steal a massive amount of your time! No more time to chase pussy, much less time to FOCUS on your business. Well, yeah…. but you get free bangs, sort of 😉
This dude gets it. It’s not an either/or proposition. Game and P4P are not mutually exclusive. A man can have both.
Just make sure you’re doing your P4P where it’s legal. Luckily, it is legal in most of the world. Just not the Puritan Police State formerly known as America. (Unless you’re in Nevada.)
In NV it is only legal in the Brothels!!!
There is no such thing as a FREE BANG.
A guy can RAPE, but he might get shot or the police finds him.
consequently, no woman should ever expect free drinks/meals/whatever without the expectation of her putting out for us men. all interpersonal relationships are transactions, even if not explicitly stated.
High end and upscale, which you seem to know nothing of, will not need FREE drinks or meals. It cost 300.00 for hair and nails to even meet. skip the free drinks and meals, just collect the 1000.00 for the 45 min hr and go unless you can get him to extend. Then keep him busy bragging (oh.. and brag on him) for the next 1000.00 45 mins
“free drinks and meals”….LOL, just slap yourself across the face.
You’re the one that brought up the ubiquity of transaction in human intercourse (not necessarily the sexual kind), so all this noise and numbers is just a smoke screen.
As Tonn, said, if we accept that all encounters have that aspect of trade, there shouldn’t be an expectation from women of inequity (which amazingly is what most angry feminists are actually demanding most of the time. They want all the powers society gives men while retaining all that they already have).
You’re arguments are pretty haphazard and essentially weak.
So If I speak the truth it is BASHING…LOL
I do however see plenty of men BASHING women here, but it is ok, we expect it. They need a place to blow off steam, but they know their place. They know what they CRAVE and only a female can provide it….oopps, I guess some men do get it of cows, chickens, cats etc……yuck!!!
“speak the truth?”
That’s the whole point. Your “truths” are all distortions and half-truths at the very best. Most of the time, you do the usual out-of-context misrepresentations (just as you are doing now) in order to refute an apt criticism. This is the typical method of those with an agenda to bash.
“We expect it?”
You hardly speak for all women, let alone women represent the women in the sex trade. As far as “bashing”, the most of the criticism here is on women who have gained such a sense of entitlement that they feel any gender issue has to be the exclusive fault of men.
“The know what they crave”
This is the usual delusion of the women that come here to bash. Men in general may be desirous of encounters with attractive women. However, that doesn’t automatically mean they are attracted to all women, and, it is likely that they are generally not attracted to the ones that troll sites like this. These angry passed-over types love to identify with attractive women to fool themselves that they have some power over men.
“Cows, chickens cats, etc…”
This is the very untruth that you are criticized on. While I am sure you can hunt down a case where someone has fouled a fowl, but that hardly constitutes a trend that has any weight.
So… yes, you clearly have an agenda to bash, and in doing so, demonstrate that you really have little in common with women who are actually attractive enough to earn a living selling an hour of their attention at a time.
so you mean that feminists are bullshitting when they say women’s sex drives are no less than mens ?
Men’s scarcity mindset is what’s kept prostitution in business since… before business.
Your lack of capitalization of i’s when you refer to your self is distracting. Hope it’s a technical issue. Good post otherwise.
There is no ‘scarcity mindset’
Its just the tendency of men to find a large number of women sexually attractive.
What does rice has to do with a the price of salmon?
Yes men have scarcity mindset. Most here argue that men always pay for sex with currency or gestures. That alone is an indication of scarcity mindset. If pussy was free and always available with no effort there would be no need for hos because pussy would have no value. Attaching value to sex is what’s hurting men. Kinda catch 22.
Try telling a woman NO when it comes to sex. Kiss her, tease her dripping wet but don’t fuck her or do anything sexual. Reaction alone is worth the effort.
but why say NO when they dont really want to?
Youre asking men to go against their natural instincts.
Women say NO because they may have some reason – they dont deem the man attractive enough. Not because they are consciously conspiring to keep the price of pussy high. You are asking men to consciously do something on a collective scale.
Women are just more selective than men. They find few men attractive while men find a larger number of women attractive. Women dont say NO to men who are very attractive.
We suppress our natural instincts every day. First of all it’s an exercise in self control. Try it, if you don’t like it you can go back to saying Yes all the time.
Men are just as selective as women but on different plains. Individual standards may vary.
I find majority of women unattractive. I don’t stick my dick into random pussy. I learned my lesson when I was 16. I enjoy my sexual power and I never give it away. Most men have that power but majority don’t realize it and relinquish it to satisfy basic instinct.
with most women, it’s all about a competition of what I’d call sheer willpower. The prostitute will try to get paid, will try not to enjoy it, will try to make it obvious that she is doing it for the money, it’s in your hands as a powerful man to seduce her into giving it up for free, for being completely at your mercy, to be fucked and to just can’t help but love it…
just like most people wouldn’t believe you could have sex with a girl within 1 hour of meeting them, they wouldn’t believe that a prostitute would actually waive her fee for that one time, or you could take a stripper home for free, etc… It’s all about who is calling the shots.
a prostitute, as in any other profession available to women, is in most cases just another girl trying to survive because her natural instinct of latching on to a strong man for a comfortable life has not worked out so far…
Same can be said of porn. I heard that since porn has become mainstream supposed rapes are down. But that can also be seen as the interest of men interacting with women as waning.
Everyone pays is untrue. Tell that to the guys getting quick blowjobs in the club parking lots. Legalizing prostitution will mean that it’ll be easier for women because the men who don’t engage in it will still show up where women gather. Those men will still be sexing multiple women. It just means that women will have an easier time picking those men as the rest won’t even show up.But beware as the call for legalized prostitution gathers steam, so will polygamy. Mainly on women’s behalf.
I just want to warn all of you in favor of prostitution, that, if it becomes legal accepted and common, then it becomes another female expectation and entitlement.
Girls you bang, even your girlfriends will expect to get paid. And if they don’t get paid, theoretically they could use the power of the government against you.
This is already happening in Spain. Players there can tell you how widespread prostitution has warped the non whore dating market.
That prostitution is taboo actually protects men.
Agree. Women will get polygamy as a settlement.
I’m pretty open to the notion of polygamy. I wouldn’t want it too widespread where it distorts male:female ratios.
But right now, it seems a surplus of women need a good male provider and protector compared to men who want to burden themselves with marriage.
Women also benefit from having a social group. You see very few happy solitary women, even if in a group they waste their time with bitching at each other and backbiting. Sister wives can be a plus.
“That prostitution is taboo actually protects men.” wow i found doublespeak
lol, thats an absurd concept but not entirely impossible.
Been seeing a few escorts on and off for the last 5 years ,as a 47 year old married man I can pick from a bevy of beautiful woman in their early 20s and bang them silly for a reasonable fee, and never have to worry about the fallout of having an affair.It’s in,out, and back to work with a smile and a spring in my step.Seducing women is a time intensive endeavor that is fine for a single man,but too risky for the marries chap.Truth is,you really do pay for it one way or another.
You first need to define what you mean by “good for men”. If are speaking of any man anywhere, then yes, I would say overall it is a good thing to have around. It is good because there are still professions that the world needs and many men like that keep them away from women for months at a time. The soldiers, the sailors and those who live in underpopulated extreme environments need some form of release. If you declare prostitution bad, what are those men to do? It is not ideal, but it is a stopgap. Granted in our modern age with modern fleshy materials, you can do just as well on the physical side, but the mental side is lacking.
Now, if we were to speak of proper/idealized masculinity, then prostitution is like gorging yourself on lard when you should be working out and watching the diet. Prostitution does nothing for a mans value, and in fact only potentially improperly inflates his own self-valuation beyond his value. Prostitution should never be used by free-citizen, economically productive men who live near enough people, it just shouldn’t. It is not good for you if you’re trying to raise your value. It is the equivalent of dumpster-diving for cheesecake when you have steak waiting for you for a small but worthy effort.
So yes, I find prostitution a valuable resource that should remain in existence because it serves a segment of the male population that frankly needs it. It also serves as a final threat to the feminine presumption of sexual power. However, I find it completely unhealthy for a man trying to be masculine.
WE DO NOT PAY FOR SEX! why even write about it …. i have said it once before, the return of kings may be losing the plot
lol you always pay for sex in one form or another……tard
you must be in denial. how quaint.
It is like eating at a restaurant or hunting for game and eating it. The first one sates your appetite every time, the second one provides the thrill of the hunt but it is possible that you are left hungry because you did not score….
That does not mean that one is more enjoyable than the other, it is merely different.
A man can only speak for himself on this issue. Employed or not, I keep my woman… and free or not, I get my pussy. Simple as that. I don’t feel any less of a man for paying cash for sex, provided that I get what I pay for. I don’t put females on a pedestal or base my worth off of their affection/ liking me. These energies DO help boost me, but they are assistance NOT reliance. As I’ve gotten older, now in my 30’s, I see through the bullshit that so called players of men spew. They pretend they are players and won’t pay for pussy. A real business minded man doesn’t give a fuck about people thinking less of him. As long as you aren’t throwing all your money at hos and you have a balance between so called “free” sex and paying a prostitute you are good to go. To be bluntly honest, I actually feel good at times to pay a ho for some pussy, as low as it may seem I feel like after the deed is done, now I am above her in every way. No she doesn’t love me, but for a piece of paper this chick just got on her knees sucked my cock, and put her face down/ass up for me to smash. After this I keep it moving feeling refreshed as a man…. for money or for free. I think the most empowering thing a man can do is to free his mind of any bs to separate his money from his self worth. I’m no misogynist but if you think about it fellas, paying cash for sex actually puts woman back into the category of being property… HOW ELSE COULD YOU BUY SEX FROM HER WITHOUT HER PUSSY BEING AN ITEM IN A STORE? So really paying for it is more like a man pampering himself to a spa treatment etc. You are pampering yourself with some snatch. I can’t stand people that want everything for free and don’t want to put work in, weather it be time or money which are close to being the same thing. So really a man that doesn’t upkeep himself this way is some kind of freeloader in the sense that you can have your steak dinner at home, but sometimes you deserve to go out to a fine steakhouse and treat yourself. The restaurant doesn’t care for much other than you paying your bill, but in return you have paid for the hospitality. Same with a whore.
I couldn’t agree with you more…..
Single guys and young guys can go on the chase…. nothing wrong with that….
But you get older and you want and expect to be served…..
Sure you can get a burger in macdonalds…. but the real steak dinner…. that costs money and a good pro who takes pride in what she does and has taken time to learn serious bedroom skills…..
If you can find it and afford it, it is well worth it….
The battle of the sexes ended when women started dancing around poles and swapping commodities for access to their pussy… only feminists and macho fools, want you to think otherwise……
And she thinks of you as just another trick. She really could not care less about what YOU THINK OF HER. She is leaving with the money and that is all that matters to her
and thank fuck for that. who needs a clingy whore? hehe
Real Whores never “Cling” Don’t be silly.
and that`s why they`re so much better in a pinch. you pay, you come, you leave. no drama.
Upscale is never in a pinch. They drive better cars and live in better homes than their tricks. Trust me they do not want drama or tricks trying to get free time, see them after hrs, go to dinner for free etc….
I even have to admire Low end on their policy of (Get them in, Get the money, get them up, get them off and GET THEM OUT!!):)
Most men who pay for sex simply want no strings casual sex. Since casual sex is only for good looking men, many men have no choice but to pay a hooker. It is the alternative.
So you hire whores to enhance your sense of sense of self-worth by buying dominance over another human with cash.
A lot of the world works like that. Servants of all sorts are usually like that – no man is a hero to his valet.
The downside is that money can be easier to obtain than non-monetary self-worth. Easier to be rich than saintly or worthy.
This ties into the reason I’d be leery of dating actresses. Like whores, they can fake submission (and orgasms.)
So I prefer a legitimate devotee of my manliness – like a loving girlfriend.
That could also be a prostitute who I felt enjoyed her job and respected me as a client but maybe that would be asking too much.
Every woman is an actress!!!
charlie sheen was quoted as saying (regarding the hiedi fliess controversy), “i don’t pay them to sleep with me, i pay them to leave.”
any man with a gf is essentially paying for sex. guys with game that can “hook up” are slim; though those numbers may be increasing as more men learn game. a man’s greatest asset in regards to women is time and commitment. if you can blow some funds to bang a girl and walk away……….more power to him.
For me, it is location dependent. While I am back in the good ol’ USA, I never engage prostitutes or escorts: I just think I should have enough going for me that I should be able to bed them without paying cash up front. However, as a business owner, I frequently travel overseas, to Mexico, etc. and there I exclusively opt for the “girlfriend experience”. My approach is to be fun, interesting, and flirtatious with the ladies, and you would be amazed how they open up and give of themselves. For many it is a big status symbol for them to be seen with an older foreign man of obvious means who treats them well, dresses well, etc. Imagine yourself as The Most Interesting Man in the World on a mad-cap adventure…she will be digging it as much as you will. And always respect them—the Ugly American act is just that: ugly. And at the end of our time together, I simply slip them the cash and tell them to use it to “help out their family/mama”….a low-key, lets-enjoy-our-time-on-this-planet-together-approach works best with foreign women and never fails to re-charge my batteries. In fact, upon my return to certain locations, I have had fights break out among a few of the ladies as to who gets the privilege of spending time with me. As a previous commenter said, think abundance—it is not a binary choice, gentlemen.
I saw this first hand in Thailand. Pattaya Beach to be exact. There were a lot of guys out there, British, American guys that had girls that they paid for for the entire time they were there. For them it was like renting a wife or girlfriend. It was actually kind of funny watching them part ways at the end of the trip. The tears, the sadness. I did not use the services there but I heard all the stories. We actually had some guys go AWOL there. Which is quite easy to do. 8 years ago, you could buy a bar there and the women to work it, and the Mama-san to run it for like 30 grand. I learned this from talking to one of the Brits who owned a corner bar there. Quite a few men retire there. Something to consider.
I did use a massage service in HK on my 2nd trip there. Not intentional, we kind of just stumbled into it from a buy me drinky bar where this incredibly slim yet very curvy Korean (who was actually sold to them) was down but mama-san wanted 2000 HK ($200). Fuck that. So we walked across the hall to a massage parlor. The massage was 50 American for 1 hour for a full body rub down. Then for an extra 20 Amer, I was able to smash. Then they had a shower area afterwards, you pay and then you leave. A normal place of business. It was pretty nice, very clean business actually. Felt great afterwards,But Its nothing to make a habit of using.
I have had cheaper 1st dates that led to sex. One in particular that only cost me 17 bucks at the local Thai Resturant. Food, then my place.
Everything leading to sex requires investment. Grooming, social activities, bar hopping, club hopping, time (which is precious). Some guys like to skip all of that. Some don’t care how other men view them as if they are somehow morally better then they are. Remember, these women choose to do this even when it’s illegal.
There really is no justification we pay, we all do in some way shape or form. Some pay in consequences. Holler at me once once you can walk the streets doing things you want to do that don’t involve women, and have women walk up and audition to fuck you.
It’s called game because you are competing. To compete requires effort. And as soon as you inject funds into the mix you are paying.
Can’t really hate on people who decide to give money directly for that end result… of sex
If you are an advocate of the benefits of the use of game, remember you are expecting or anticipating the rewards of an applied skill that you have learned to get women. For some, making money is that skill.
You see, you are right, but I suspect you don’t know why.
You see, your appearance should not be about women! It should be about presenting yourself, or projection if you will. Projection of personal power, and success.
This does not only lead to better women, but better jobs/business deals. In other words, dress for success. You still think it is about poosey. Poosey just cums with the territory.
Being successful is a mindset that women notice. The fact that women fall for losers who abuse them is indicative that game works, but these assholes have settled for a weak existence that will not last. Eventually, they hit their biological wall.
Project success, and work towards actually being successful. Also keep in mind that women who are higher educated, and successful themselves divorce over half less than their less educated counterparts. Marriage is not about sex, but resource acquisition! IOW, love is taught, so is lust. For most women they are on and the same.
Treat every loser nicely until they show they need to be treated with contempt until they get the idea you are out of their league!
Get with the program son! It is not what you offer a woman; it is what does she offer you? Asking the former is like going to an expensive car dealership and looking at exotic cars then asking how much. You are in the wrong place.
Instead, and far better, is walking in, knowing the price does not matter, and saying “I’ll take that one, thanks.”
“This does not only lead to better women, but better jobs/business deals. In other words, dress for success. You still think it is about poosey. Poosey just cums with the territory.”
1) I’m speaking simply in relation to this topic of prostitution and women. Not professional development.
2) Not all men are business oriented. Business and business ownership does not interest me. It’s another reason why I left it out.
You think Lawyers become lawyers because they like law and that is the only reason?
Most if not all of man’s career pursuits have the un-implied expectation of landing quality women. Or so that any women would consider them for that matter.
Really good comments here even if the subject matter is the exact opposite of fun.
The most alpha guy I know, a natural who has banged over 600 women (genuine lays, not P4P) also lays hookers whenever the fancy takes him.
Yes, of course there is a qualitative difference between paid-for and gamed intercourse, but if, as others have argued, you are truly alpha, thenwhy should you care? – you won’t be drawing your validation from women’s sexual favours anyway.
Denigrating prostitution is for betas.
probably his best lays are with the pros because they know how to please a man…..
Having done this myself from the “rich guy with not enough time” perspective, it depends a lot on what segment of the market you’re in and how much cash you have to spend.
Lots of guys on this site are in their early twenties and have more time than money. If $300 an hour seems like a lot to you, honestly I don’t think it’s worth it in the U.S. You can probably get someone higher quality on your own. At around that rate in most U.S. cities you’re realistically getting a 6, lower if you pay less.
But if you’re really about self-improvement, and planning to be rich someday, you should know you’re in a much different world once you get above that. Nearly all porn stars and most models escort. If you can afford $1000 plus an hour, you’re getting an experience you can never duplicate with game. I’ve slept with multiple Playboy playmates of the month, lots of porn stars, lots of Penthouse pets, and even had a threesome with twins. No amount of game would ever, ever get me that.
Has my inner game or self esteem been destroyed by this? I think the opposite. There’s no girl out there hot enough to intimidate me anymore, because I always know I’ve been with better. I’ve never really been the type of guy who cares about the chase. I just want to get laid with the hottest chicks I can. If the chase is what you enjoy, great, I would stick to game. But if you just want the sex, and you have the money, escorts are the better route. Different strokes for different folks.
If your not bullshitting (and maybe your not) then all I can say is good for you man. Your in the fucking driver’s seat and thats the place to be. Casually dropping a grand for a fun time must be nice. As a dude who is on the cusp of the first real money in his life I occasionally imagine living the kind of life your describing.
Every MAN dreams of it.
what`s the emphasis supposed to be for? i`m sure no woman alive would object to a heavy windfall, so the only other option i can think of is that you`re subtly shaming cody for being happy he`s one step closer to being loaded. i find it a bit hypocritical to be criticising a dude for wanting to get rich whilst all women alive look for exactly that, a provider. in the end, you stick to your guns and we`ll stick to ours, ok love?
so your not a man then? then wtf are you doing here?
Totally true tonn. She wants to believe that men are like women – that somehow were going to be bothered if were not cuddled and loved and shit. She can’t stand the fact that evolution designed us to be killers and fuck machines while evolution designed her to be a worthless cum dumpster. Ultimately, she is jealous of the masculine evolutionary advantage and she is projecting her insecurities on us Kings.
I’m glad you noticed that – I have too. I don’t think she would be able to step outside herself and see that rejection/abandonment doesn’t bother males nearly as much as it appears to bother her. It also seems that she’s just trying to hurt you (or men)/get an emotional reaction out of you ( and men in general), and make her self the “center of your (our) perception”. This and a few other things suggests she’s in a lot of pain herself, and most likely meets the criteria for borderline personality disorder with some narcissistic features. I feel sorry for her family members…
” Casually dropping a grand for a fun time must be nice”
Outside America the same high quality t&a will cost you much less. Yes there is the cost of plane fare and accomodations, but it makes the experience all that more enjoyable stepping out of the asshole zeitgeist of wasteland usa.
even a cheapie 6 with skills for $200, can knock the socks off some dumb piece of ass in the nightclub….
and the old quote you “don’t pay to fuck ’em, you pay them to leave afterwards…” is the best line……
even Slash admits in his autobiography that he got sick to death of listening to the groupies constant female BS. A rockstar that had girls literally lining up for him….. got sick of it….
popping down a fill bills solves all the issues…..
YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR….
and the bitterness of poor quality is felt long after the sting of a high price.
I agree. Just know though that they are not into YOU, they are into the MONEY. You do not make them leave, they are glad to get paid, get through it and go. They never even think of you until you call for more and pay again. (and you will) As long as you know that, then you are not living in a a fantasy world
why do you judge a transaction (pay for pussy) by the standards of a relationship? if i`m paying a whore to open her legs for me, why the bleeding hell would i care if she thinks of shoes or whatever while i fuck her? i`m paying to get my rocks off, i actually PREFER it if the whore doesn`t get “attached” and leaves afterwards. i got stuff to do.
That was my point and so does she!!!!
There’s this constant misconception that men who p4p are p4r (paying for relationship) in your posts. It’s just a false precept to justify your condescending advice.
People pay for plumbing services, medical services, gardening services, etc… does that warrant a lecture like “Your plumber doesn’t work for free, you know. He or she is in it for the money”? You seems to wishfully think that men are ultimately short-changing themselves in believing the provider is getting emotionally involved. That’s just your attempt to feed your apparent need to feel that men are are suffering emotionally. This is suspiciously a case of projection.
The “point” is that p4p is just that. It doesn’t mean that all women have the ability to demand the rates that professionals get (just like how some unlicensed carpenter is not going to invoice what a trained journeyman gets).
It also doesn’t mean that men don’t want emotional relationships either. What do you think friends are? Why do you think that many real romances stem from friendships?
People still can get emotionally involved. Heck you local bus driver can become your friend. Those are always case-by-case situations.
Even Psycho-therapy is a pay-for-service transaction. Let us know if you find this isn’t the case.
Friends don’t Fu*k and no hooker ever gets “emotionally involved”, although men like to believe they do. It is ok though, you just keep thinking that way.:)
“Friends don’t Fu*k”
Read the comment about friendship and how it can become more IN CONTEXT. Your refutation is based on a deliberate misrepresentation of that.
“No hooker ever gets emotionally involved”
Again, answer things in the context that they were stated. Even so, how would you know that? They are as human as anyone else. Professionals try to keep things as professional as possible, but it does happen.
“it’s OK though…”
LOL. The continued condescending attitude is just a defense mechanism. The fact that your rebuttals necessary employ straw-man arguments is proof that you are aware of your faulty arguments, but cannot accept them.
“Men like to believe they do.” Hahahahaha, look we don’t give a SHIT what they like or don’t like. They suck our dicks like good little servants and then they leave – that goes for all women! All women are whores because all of them exchange their cunts for something – affection, attention, money, emotional support, validation, whatever. The only difference is that a real hooker is more honest than your normal chick because she doesn’t pretend that men actually like her or give a shit what she has to say – she understands that she is only useful for her pussy. A lesson you should probably learn.
I think men who pay for sex are less delusional about their desirability than the beta males who only get to have LTR’s and marriage.
An average looking beta male is not sexually desired by women. He never gets to have fun, casual sex, flings, fuck buddies, affairs, one night stands. He does however manages to have a couple of committed relationships with women who are looking for ‘other’ redeeming qualities in man. He eventually settles down with a woman who is looking for a good provider, good husband, father for kids etc. The poor chap thinks he is sexually desired by the woman. He remains under the delusion for long.
I think many men are waking up to this reality. They are realizing that being married doesnt give them true validation of their sexual desirability. Hence the increased interest in casual no strings sex among men.
A man who pays for sex is free from that delusion. He is a well informed man. He accepts his limitations and inadequacies. And something tells me that women dont like it when men are better informed.
If you’re the kind of man who can afford $1,000/hour, then you live in a world with entirely different rules. The world I’d like to live in!
“I’ve slept with multiple Playboy playmates of the month, lots of porn stars, lots of Penthouse pets, and even had a threesome with twins. No amount of game would ever, ever get me that.”
That is a good point, and not a reflection on you, good sir.
Fact is that Hughe Hefner (of Playboy) and Bob Gucione sr. (of Penthouse) both would not have the kinda of T&A they got in their lives had it not be for the fact they were, at the time of their publishing houses coming about, top dogs in the business. Female affection, from highly atractive women, IS a commidity. There is no “secret” to gaming such. Yes game may work on women whose looks range in 7’s and below, but nothing more.
It’s high fucking time we realize that females fuck men for material resources. And yeah game is good for getting with fuglies, but if you want get with anything halfway decent, it’s all about resources.
When I was in my my 20’s I use to think suducing a female was worth the effort but after all the work I put in all I was left was an irritating female that I grew tired of after a few bangs and had a hard time getting rid of. Multiply that a few times over and you come to the realization that you wasted serious male potential. “chase women and you will go broke but chase money and you will always have women”
Low road: Pay with money get sex, lose money
High road: Work for good body, develop conversation skills, go to fun events, and probably get sex
Highroad is the better return on investment and leaves no room for laziness.
why the binary opposition? How about taking both roads at the same time?
I tried it once, when I was just out of college and had just driven across country alone. My first night in San Francisco in fact. She was a reasonably attractive moon-lighting secretary type to my eyes, marketing on a street corner near the St. Francis, one of the city’s gran dame hotels.
What killed it was when she said, just as I was getting in the grove, “Aren’t you through yet?” That just made the commercial side of things a bummer ever since.
Now, 30+ years later, I’m open to P4P again. As I’ve noted, the body’s interest in sex is related to the prospect of procreation and my partner is post-menopausal and I’m tired of the complications of affairs. Yet, sexual contact with a young woman has surprising health benefits as older men have know for eons. Just the scent of a young woman’s juices is rejuvenating. (There’s a medical term for that I can’t seem to find right now.)
So P4P has its place – the effort to land a young woman is likely to be just too great without it.
He is paying with the wrong currency. Sex is a spiritual value. Money is used to purchase material values. The currency used for sex is–or at least ought to be–respect and admiration. But this is probably lost on most reading this board.
In a materialistic society, which women are indoctrinated into en masse along with men, such women do not value spirituality although they claim to. If you look at their behaviour, only materialism matters to them and no amount of male leadership can fix that once such a trait is indoctrinated.
In the same materialistic society, men are indoctrinated that their success and self-esteem is measured by how much money he makes screwing his customers to pack a quick commission, and how many club slappers he manages to bed in a year. Sex becomes the mere act of getting an hour or pleasure and sharing the deed with a few friends in the gym or an Internet forum.
What can, then, fix this? Certainly PUA doesn’t seem the right tool.
Yes, there are deeper cultural issues at play.
In the meantime, game skills are great way of fulfilling sexual needs from a woman who’s not using you solely as a chump customer to be tolerated.
” Sex is a spiritual value.” i think i know what you are, but ill ask anyways. what religion are you? what are your thoughts on gay marriage? do you think charity should be enforced by the government?
spiritual value? it can be completely explained by biology(inner drive to spread our genes) and physics (friction). only an idealistic twat would mix in words like spirit and admiration with words like sex and game. get it together sonny, you`re becoming a white night.
correction: idealistic or religious. either of which is stupid.
When I was in my 20’s I thought it was cool to run around attempting to seduce a female however when you end up with the dilema of dealing with an attached female who will make your life difficult when she realizes she got played and used its no longer fun. Trust me they will seek vengeance by putting your life and property in danger. It simply is not worth the effort. In some neighborhoods gaming a female could possibly get you killed. What the hell you going to do when you succesfully
pulled her emotional strings and you just not into her no more. Dumping her is not that easy. I grew up before all this PUA nonesense took off and its obvious that most advocates of PUA are unrealistic and fail to consider the end result. Like a MGTOW forum stated PUA is the road to MGTOW.
Yes you are right and the funniest thing about the whole “redpill” and PUA attitude is that it says that women are entitled bitches these days who have too many men chasing after them and pandering to them……….and it’s not worth getting into a relationship with a woman who has had more and 5-10 cocks…….
yet players are part of the problem, one night standing all over the place….and amongst the most active men paying women so much attention….
when fucking a woman’s pussy for an hour is a clear transaction, with a fixed cost… we will all be a lot better off…..
True players give the girl the least attention possible to get the bang. This is how they have the time and energy to bang so many chicks.
Why does it sound like you have made less than 20 half-hearted quality approaches in your life and you gave up to get money and hookers?
Anyone else agree?
If you climb Mt. Everest, you can pay $50K and two sherpas can carry you up. Or you can spend $20-30K and dedicate months of training and work to get in shape to climb it yourself. Either you will hopefully get you to the top. And either way it will cost you.
The better question is, as the comments reflect, what did you learn in the process? If one goal of game is to know women better, it’s doubtful that prostitution works as a long-term strategy.
Yea… you realize your time could be put to better use.
Why the hell should I give a fuck about a female who carries a once a month bleeding piece of cunt?
Once you blow a couple of loads her company will annoy you and wonder why you wasted so much time chasing after her.
“doubtful that prostitution works as a long-term strategy” its cheaper… the same product in the discount isle.
“Once you blow a couple of loads her company will annoy you and wonder why you wasted so much time chasing after her.”
Took my old ass thirty plus years to realise this.
Most women hate prostitutes for one reason. They are undercutting the cost of pussy. Thats right: Pussy is women’s only real power but it’s still a commodity and subject to the economic laws of any commodity. Increase the supply lower the price. Men never give a shit about cuddling. It’s wet hole we are after.
They might never give a shit if all they’re looking for is an hour of bedroom gymnastics. If it’s whom will kiss them as they get back home from a hard day, cook good meals for them or be the mother of their children, then they do give a poop or two. Or at least they should.
I have the impressiont that, they way it is posited on this forum and countless others, game isn’t the silver bullet to be able to tell the difference.
You won’t find women fitting those criteria in the west anyways, you might as well just pay. Which is what the foreign bride business is about
Yes but even they leave him after they get their green card!
Women, just do not want to be stressed by men. We know that they cheat with other women, they do not want to act like a husband or a man in a relationship should, so we would rather be alone and just have them around when we want them. Men TODAY just are not worth marrying or even dating one on one.
The percentage of men that cheat is probably not much different from the percentage of women that do so too.
As far as foreign brides, there will be some unscrupulous ones that are out to scam their way up. That doesn’t remove the observation that Western society has created an environment that fosters, no festers, this immature sense of entitlement we see in a lot of women these days.
The reality is that the advantage of sexual attraction fades quickly. The results of over-playing one’s hand is a future of bitterness… just like we see in a lot of the trolling responses here.
These angry women can believe all they want that they don’t need a man around. That’s just rationalization. If it were so, Hollywood would never make another romantic comedy… as if.
the fuck is this, femicunts anonymous? you bitches caused the gender war, stop crying now over its repercussions. you couldn`t leave well enough alone, now you`re all fair game.
Oh……. you or no man could ever make me cry……………..Sorry, I know you wanted to, but it will not happen with this gal….NEVER!!!!
That is why it is HOLLYWOOD, That is why it is COMEDY
Yes sexual attraction fades quickly, that is why we work it while we can then move on. There is always another on BOTH sides
funny thing is, even the way you express yourself reeks of immaturity and you-go-gurl-itis. but whatever, you`re not my target audience. now go and leave us men to ponder the bigger points in this article, you surely must have some gossipping to get down to.
Why do I suspect that your concept of ‘act(ing) like a husband or a man in a relationship should’ probably varies greatly from what a man actually would desire or consent to choose for himself.
i could make you cry
“That is why it is Hollywood”?
You’re not arguing your case with that. Hollywood wouldn’t bother putting out products that nobody wants (well, not intentionally). That they continue to churn out romantic comedies year after year means they see a demand for it. That demand is not coming from guys (alpha, beta, omega, or any others between).
“Move on?”
To what? Trolling sites and spewing out hostility at those you can’t debate? The notion of “always another” is rationalization of one’s predicament. Whether or not that next option is anywhere near what one is demanding is the question that delusional types don’t want to face… and instead just post up the same old mythical mantra (like “women rule the world”) to make yourself “feel” superior.
Bang on, tonn. That “Joan” is seriously infected with “you-go-gurl-itis”.
No (I) could make you cry, little boy.
I learned and was taught by the BEST,, that (I) am not responsible for ANY man’s thinking process.
Sure, but way to completely not address the idea I was trying to express. Why reply then? Enjoy your cats.
Right on, anchor man.
The Tichenor excels at purposely going off on a tangent because she can’t refute the comment. That is a common tactic of trolls.
Angry feminists live in this constant state of denial that they are the cause of their own problems. The cats only hang around because they get fed. It’s a way of fooling herself that something actually likes her (even though the relationship is strictly, “attention for food”). Lol.
you need to delete your cookies so you dont give yourself away as an internet troll with multiple disqus names, or amybe you just have one for each personality lol. also, no gurlz allowed
Good call, Douglas.
That Tichenor troll seems to think that the tears caused by ammonia fumes rising from the urine of 20 cats counts as making someone cry. LOL.
That is fucking hilarious. If a man and a woman gets married, and have kids, and they find out later that it’s not his kid because she cheated on him – guess what? The man still has to pay child support. For somebody ELSE’s kids. In the past, traditional gender roles were about a division of labor. The man makes the money and pays for all the shit, the woman cares for the house and kids,etc. Today women still want the man to fucking pay for everything while they don’t do shit. “Chivalry when it suits, Sexism when it doesn’t.” And how exactly “should” a husband act? By kissing her fucking ass? No. But doing what evolution intended for him to do. And as for this “we would rather be alone” shit? Lmfao. Yeah right, bitches crave male attention. Which is exactly why your trolling around here. Case closed.
Those cats couldn’t give a cat shit about what happens to her either lol.
Sit down, let me explain something to you Joanie Pooh. Men have been using women as disposable, expendable, fuck holes since the dawn of time. I know, I know but it’s just human evolution cupcake. Male sexuality evolved to impregnate as many women as possible – women evolved in order to “lock down” the richest, strongest, most high status man they can. The red pill – at it’s core, is about acknowledging this truth… which is so obvious to evolutionary biologists. A man can have kids at any age. Women hit the wall at 30-35. We are bigger and stronger than you and we run virtually the entire planet. CEOs, Presidents, Generals, etc 99% male. Why? Because we evolved to lead – to rule. And you evolved to serve. It’s what you crave. Why do you think these 50 shades of grey books sell so well? Obviously, men aren’t reading that shit – it’s women. Because they long to be ruled by strong men, it’s what you were made for. See? Now that you know your place: go make me a sandwich bitch
Joan, why arent you telling the complete story?
Most independent type women seem uninterested in marriage because most men don’t measure up to their requirements of looks, height, physique, lifestyle and career.
Why do you women like to put the blame on the men’s supposed character flaws when you dont find most men (available for LTR’s) physically / sexually attractive in the first place? Are you afraid of being labelled the ‘shallower’ sex ?
Male and female infidelity is driven by different impulses. A woman seeks to “upgrade” to a “better” man who she can be with, she generally isn’t interested in sex just for the sake of it. Men are. It’s evolutionary biology. That said a huge majority of guys would prefer a monogamous relationship IF it was worth it- i.e cook good meals, give frequent and enthusiastic sex, take good care of the kids, etc. But that is so rare in the western world that the smartest and most high value men are realizing that relationships (especially marriage) are losing propositions for them. A lot to lose, and VERY little to gain. Women want a man who support them, listen to them, be there for them, etc, etc. Men usually don’t need that kind of emotional support. They would rather just get their dick sucked and go back to whatever they were doing.
That is correct and that is why pussy COST!!!!
No woman, will work a job, cook, clean, run errands and service him just for HIM. She can service many of them, get paid, then hire her own cook and house keeper and not have a man in her face except when getting paid.
Unless you are a top level provider, the money is adequate, but likely not enough to keep a full time cook and housekeeper. It’s just payment for services rendered, and, is not because the woman doesn’t want a man in her face.
Like it or not, Joan, women can become emotionally attached to men (especially when sex is involved). The business can and will take a toll on one’s psychological well-being.
It’s usually damaged women that gravitate to feminist movements that think “women don’t need men”. They troll sites like this because they actually DO want the attention of men, but can’t get the level they want… and it just HAS to be the fault of men.
You don’t need your cook and housekeeper to work fulltime. And even if you did, it will still be cheaper than a wife on the long run (marriage, big house, kids, etc.)
That is a rather cynical take on the matter, I’m afraid. If you lived in a poor neighbourhood (like there are many here in the UK) and all you could see were fried chicken and American pizza derivatives shops, would you spend your life visiting them and eating crap, or at least entertain the notion that, somewhere in Chelsea or around Covent Garden, there are better restaurants that cost more to afford but might – just might – deliver you a more palatable dining experience, once in a while?
Fact is, women who will want to “upgrade” for an alpha-er man at her convenience are much more rare than men who choose to pour their best efforts and money on womanising (or at least trying to) in bars & clubs. The myth/meme that “good girls are gone anyway” is but one of the most popular to legitimise that choice.
It might well be harder, a lot harder, to find a young woman who cooks meals, fucks well, is a good mother and doesn’t disdain a job and hobbies that engage her mind and spirit. This though doesn’t mean it’s impossible, or that it isn’t worthwhile to try, or that the benefits in case of success far oustrip the efforts. If the odds are against you, oh Western man, go East or go South. I have a wonderful Colombian wife who has everything a man could desire and then some, and although I met her here in the UK and wasn’t specifically looking for a non-European girlfriend, the difference with said Western ladies was simply too stark to ignore. I didn’t win her with “game”, I won her by simply being myself. Proof to the quite obvious theorem: know how to be yourself, _be it_, and you will attract the people who you are most compatible with.
Lastly, I have met lots of fragile men who need, indeed beg for emotional support. Perhaps they won’t seek for it in the same dramatic way the ladies do, but crave they do for acceptance and markers of social/personal success. Pandering to women, what you guys call “beta behaviour” or “pussy on a pedestal” is but an expression of that desire.
You have a couple quasi- agreeable points. To begin with, men will always crave a certain amount of variety in their sex life regardless of how blah,blah,blah amazing their wife is etc. Because as I mentioned this is evolutionary biology urging them to spread their seed to as men fertile women as possible. Also, imho the best mating strategy is to increase your social circle and come into contact with as many chicks as possible. Build attraction, bang them, and strong them along that way you have a harem of hoes who all want a committed relationship with you. This is the most sexually advantageous position a man can find himself in. That said, there ARE definitly some really great relationship women out there but here’s a newsflash for you that might explain some of the “bitter cynicism” you see no these kinds of forums: Most men who are in relationships THINK they are with one of those girls but statistically that is obviously untrue. And no man before the age of 30 or 35 should seriously be considering life long monogamy.
is this your way of pointing out that your a woman? if so wtf are you doing here? Secondly, there ARE women who cater to every arbitrary whim of their husbands – in fact they are the majority of women on this planet but they are all concentrated in Asia, Africa, and South America where are REAL patriarchal culture is still in place. Because patriarchy is the natural model to emerge since it’s the most evolutionarily efficient social system.
I am here for my book. I need to know what your type is saying.
I can make my 4 th million from this book and yes I cover a lot blogs looking for information. I have already printed all this.
You know South American is really nice and you should go live there.
I have traveled a lot and I know of these places so I can recommend what is best for you.
“Most men who are in relationships THINK they are with one of those girls but statistically that is obviously untrue.” And based on what? I for one wouldn’t like to be one of those men who THINK they are with a subpar woman and dump them, only to regret later when – bulging bellies and thinning hair – they have to resort to flashing the dollar like there’s no tomorrow to have a hope to attract a few mildly attractive women of the non-LTR quality.
Desire to settle in a monogamous relationship, whether as a married man or not, is something that’s highly subjective. A long term, stable relationship is a goal, not a process, though. If one really wants to settle with a woman who’s good for him, be it at age 24 or 44, they will have to embark on a successful path of self-discovery.
Know what they are and what they want, what is desirable or absolutely necessary, what they are prepared to give up and what they won’t put up with. Banging random bar sluts is not going to help with that, guaranteed. Trying to form a bond with several girls, even at the cost of being frustrated 7 times out of 10, is probably a better approach.
Perhaps career-minded, metrosexual young men blessed by middle class status and undeniably good looks will find it easy to please their egos going to bed with as many sluts as they possibly can. Chances are, though, when they will finally decide to settle, for one reason or another, they will try and look for the only kind of woman they will have ever met. To which, misery and divorce papers soon ensue.
So your a millionaire and a published author is that it? This certainly wouldn’t be your FIRST book if its your FOURTH million. Please, can you point me to some other published books of yours? Right, because your full of shit. For an author you sure do have shitty grammar.
Agree to disagree. I don’t think your points are wrong exactly, but I definitely think that when you get married your more likely to end with a bulging gut, thinning hair, a deflated bank out, and a constant pain in the ass nagging you all the time. Where as if you live for yourself you end up as an in shape, upper middle class, guy with all the options he wants. You wanna settle down with a chick half your age? No problem. You wanna continue banging 22 year old sluts? Sure thing. But if you commit to a woman as a relatively young man your chances of end up divorced and shelling out child support are astonishingly high. If you DO manage to stay together your odds of being happy are not good. Everyone makes their own path, but it would be naive to look at the aggregate of male experience in the Western Hemisphere and arrogantly say to yourself “Nahhhh, that kinda thing doesn’t happen to me.” Proceed at your own peril.
LOL. Right on the mark, Stark.
The only book Troll-chenor could put together is a book of sketches of her cats. Never mind the grammar, the pedestrian level of vocabulary betrays a hasty exit from grade school.
The delusional level of this troll is off the charts! =P
@Troll-chenor:
“South America” is a destination. “South American” is an attribute. Author, Author! Just how is one to travel to and live in an “attribute”?
Fourth million… rofl. You know that adding zero’s to your welfare cheque doesn’t account for the first three, right?
Lmfao, that shit is too funny man! I’m still waiting for her to give us a link to some other “books” she has written.
Agree save for the last phrase. It’s good feels, man.
That is why it is a CURSE. Men will die for it, kill to get it, kill themselves if they cannot get it…..It feels good….to men.
LOL. No. It’s just angry women that couldn’t even sell themselves for a fraction of the price of an actual courtesan that will come here and troll.
Men don’t have to kill for something they can get with either a bit of cash, a bit of charm, or a combination of both. Joan’s can dream on while they charge up their battery-operated “man”.
It is a man’s CURSE not a woman’s.
spoken like a true butthurt princess 😉 what`s next buttercrup, shaming us? hahahahahahahhaahahahahahaha get lost
Oh I do not want to shame you or any of you, at least you will pay and that is all that matters to the ladies that you see.
a bit shortsighted, me thinks 🙂 if men know they can get laid by simply paying a professional, why would they stick around headcases that western women typically are?
bingo.
well you said it more succintly than i ever could have. well done sir. 100% agree
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Tara, I couldn’t agree more. This site is so scary, as are all the comments. I’d like to know who these people actually are so as to stay as far away from them as possible. I can’t believe our society is reduced to conversations such as these. Sad day, indeed.
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I love cuddling… as long as there is passion and sincere affection with a quality woman, I will stay in bed like a Cap’n Sav A Hoe CHAMP all night and day! I know a few guys who like this… guess that’s not a very alpha trait? But I really just dont care!
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The answer is it depends on the man’s wealth and the value he places on pussy. A multi-millionaire paying $1000 for an hour with a high-end escort is a lot different than a guy making $2000 a month paying $200 for an hour with your average slut.
That’s the problem, do you want to be an average man?
The time, effort and money required to get good game could be put in business so you could afford those drool-inducing 1000$ escorts.
Game knowledge is always worth reading, but sarging nights aren’t time-effective.
But here’s the kicker: an average man with game can pull young, hot chicks in their prime (high school, college girls, etc.) — and have them willingly give themselves up as his sex slave; instead of a guy without game who worked his way up to being a millionaire just to pay a premium to bang loose vaginas of high-maintained women.
I would say a good strategy is only do game/ hobbies that make girls wet until 35-40 whenever it gets too hard to get the 20 year old chicks. After that focus on money after you got all your free fun young pussy.
Carson D : Both aren’t mutually exclusive, you can bang college girls when you meet some but not waste your nights sarging in clubs. And if your prostitutes have loose vaginas, you’re chosing cheap/older ones.
Trav : If you’re only starting to get money at 35-40, you won’t get much of it.
Correction: A relatively attractive man with game can…
You have to be better looking than 70% of men to begin trying to get casual sex.
False.
http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/07/22/study-dominance-not-looks-predicts-mens-mating-success/
http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/08/22/a-mans-perceived-physical-attractiveness-is-fluid/
If you don’t frequent places where young girls congregate and game them, your chances of meeting them will be slim to none. Which means paying money for loose vaginas is most likely all you will get if you’re too good to “waste your nights”.
And fucking 20 dicks a day will give any girl a loose vagina, no matter how old or cheap she is.
Thanks for the links.
It was really demoralizing to go thru the comments section reading some of the women’s preferences regarding men’s height and size. ‘6 feet is average’ so says one woman. Another is only 5’4″ and wants guys around 6’2″.
They also want the to be relatively large and imposingly built but not too huge and muscular.
Body building is useless, so says one commenter, because the face is what matters to women. Unless the face is handsome women dont give a fuck how good of a body you have. And there is truth in it now that I think about it.
Reality is just bitter for men.
This conversation seems to include way too many unexamined tacit assumptions as fact to make much progress. Some number of comments assume necessity on the part of the client pool, others assume ugly, unmotivated whores. Worse yet is the assumption that these are hard boundaries. The one dimension that seems unimagined is that both parties are making a choice.
To illustrate my point, some years back a film producer was being excoriated by a female tv interviewer, for his association with known prostitutes. She had about exhausted her verbal arsenal and was drifting into rhetorical questions and asked the guy how he could ‘pay women to come over and…’. The man raised his hand and said,’ You don’t understand. I don’t pay them come over, I pay them to leave afterwards.’ Needless to say that hamster self destructed on live tv and she sank into stunned silence, gentle wisps of smoke trailing from her ears.
A woman on a 8 year, 5 state cock spree is, um, expressing herself! But a man who wants sex is, exactly what again? How if you put your life into your work and travel? Does that mean you’re not allowed to need much less simply enjoy pussy? Ok, well when in the exotic capitals of this world what exactly is the transgression about sending out for pussy? Not only sending out for it, but having a clean, well dressed pleasant, and generally sophisticated companion utterly unfamiliar with shame or reticence of any kind for just as long as you want her.
As far as women are concerned, it’s a big, big menu out there and there are a lot of interesting variations on this human form that I think are very worth trying; you might want the sex and she might need the money. Just some thoughts about a conversation that seemed to neglect agency and choice.
I get the P4P argument and I don’t disagree. I think it comes down to what you enjoy, what will bring you sexual fulfilment.
For me, what gets me off is knowing the girl has succumbed to me based on primal urges first and foremost. If you play it right, it may cost you some time and effort (check that – it will), but shouldn’t set you back too much financially. That’s what turns me on.
I wouldn’t be able to shake the feeling that a pro could care less about the sex, she is motivated by the money in the primary. Any primal urge might be there, but it’s in the background and I can’t feel it. Quite frankly I’m not sure I would even be able to keep it up because it would appear too fake.
But I get it, and I would rather meet a guy who spends his time with pros than the loads of guys who try to impress gold diggers. If you’re gonna chase women that prefer luxury goods as a means to sex, you may as well go the pro route. If you’re a guy that refuses to chase women who come across as too material (let’s face it they all are materialistic on some level), I think you’re better off gaming women. The chase is worth it if you aren’t rolling over and treating a girl like gold.
Ultimately, they are two sides of the same coin for me. The world is transactional. Get used to it.
Honestly, being single is great. Being single and not having to chase tail or worry about it is the best thing in the world. If you have the money for it, I respect that. If you have the game for it, I respect that.
Game and p4p aren’t inherently different if you think about it. The core concept of offering value is still the crux of it, whether it’s financial or what not. Roosh has a great analysis on cost per notch and hookers vs regular girls. Most girls are whores anyways who will sell their pussy for the right price, so fuck it, do what you gotta do.
P4P does have the advantage of a concentration of hotter girls though
Once you have inner game nothing can take it away from you.
The articles here just get better and better.
I was asked to put my opinion of prostitution in to the first book “Living Free in the Femnazi World”. It is the only section of the book I wrote myself. My opinion was that it is private transaction that has nothing to do with anyone else. Indeed, prostitution is lawful as there is no law broken in such a transaction.
The way that it is made “illegal” is that the owner of the “money”, meaning your guvment, says “our money can not be used to purchase sex” and the “crime” is the use of the money to purchase the sex. Obviously, if the value transacted was NOT transacted in their “money” they could not prosecute the man. Silver coins would do just as well to “pay” and then you could not be charged with anything.
As soon as men realise that prostitution is LAWFUL and you tell the cops to “pound sand” then you will be rid of all the issues around prostitution and “law enforcement”.
I offered to represent women prostitutes to law enforcement to Maggy McNeil. She did not take up the offer. Apparently she does not wish prostitutes to have the protection of the law either.
And one comment was very true. It is all prostitution. That the state grabbed 95% of my assets to pay off my wife for her complicity in criminally victimising me was far worse than prostitution if you have a negative view of prostitution.
I personally have a very positive view of prostitutes and prostitution. I see nothing wrong with it as I used to travel around Asia a lot in the 80s. I mean, if you live and work in Asia prostitution is in your face every day. These were just women trying to get along as best they can with the only asset they have. And is that not what my wife did?
The only difference between a prostitute and my wife is that prostitutes are honest. And my wife was very dishonest.
http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/
yes exactly…. what do you think that diamond ring you bought her is…. if it’s not commoditizing sex….?
I could be biased from my business experience, or perhaps “defective” as you say, but 99% of women are the same to me, prostitute or otherwise… My pleasure depends more on my ability to be honest about my deepest desires, and having the courage to carry them out especially in a way that ensures whoever I’m with that “anything goes” and her secrets are safe/she won’t be judged by me.
I don’t like using game. When you dominate anyone mentally, you’ve already allowed yourself to be dominated/alienated from your feelings. Instead I just try and realize the truth: the minute you meet someone, or even come into their presence, the two of you begin to elaborate and articulate what already is and has happened. A girl that is attracted to me is attracted to me long before she’s aware of it. All I have to do is hang around, nudge her every once in awhile, and let her fantasies do the rest…
“A girl that is attracted to me is attracted to me”
AKA
“just be yourself”
And we wonder why we have men who can’t keep a woman in line…
I don’t see a problem with using hookers if you want to and can afford it.
It looks to me like only relevance p4p has to Game is, “are you ONLY getting laid from prostitutes?”
It doesn’t matter how much of an amazing player you are, how alpha’d up your are, or how incredible you are in bed….. sometimes you want to appreciate the merits of a woman serving you 100%, without any kind of pressure on your performance.
The best orgasm you can have is one that the girl draws out of you, while you lie back passive, and that after an amazing massage and her putting 100% into it.
Sure you might be able to pick up a girl that will do this on date one, but unlikely.
At very least you’d have to spend a few months schooling her.
In macho western culture it’s considered lame to pay, but in eastern cultures it’s normal.
I’ve slept with a few working girls, just to try it out…. if you have never tried it you cannot criticize it.
Sure some were lame, waiting to get it over with…. but then I enjoyed screwing them for as long as possible until they bored me.
Other times I met amazing girls that I went back to visit again and again….and we had a great time in bed and although a part of it was her professional demeanor, we had excellent body chemistry and rapport.
I had nothing to say to her, her nothing to me, but we fucked until the sheets were drenched in sweat and she was happy to see me not for the $100 bill but because she knew I was a fun client.
So any advice on finding the good ones?
Look for an escort review website in your city & read the reviews. Stay far away from Backpage or Craigslist.
Until Vasalgel, the male contraceptive, gets FDA approved the risk of a girl picked up through game getting pregnant due to broken condoms is non-trivial. If a hooker gets pregnant she will not call all of the men she had sex with over the past month and tell them about it so she will definitely not forget to take her pill.
Also hookers see more johns than johns see hookers so if one man and one woman enter the hooker culture the supply will go up more than the demand and price goes down. Enough men and women do this and the true un-inflated cost of pussy will be shown.
Just my two cents.
Price discovery is it?
I’ll always remember the line “There are no thousand dollar hookers; only thousand dollar johns.”
Look at another part of the argument…. you take a seasoned player that can pick up a young girl in a bar or club and get the bang same night….. he still has to perform like a circus animal for several hours to get there… I have better things to do with my time…. I don’t want to entertain and appeal to the whims and pathetic intelligence of some twenty-something college girl….. just so I can get a lame drunken fuck at 4am.
Let’s say I can earn $200 an hour…. and the pro charges $200 an hour…. I swap an hour of relaxation and fun exciting advanced sex….. whereas the pickup bang takes up 3 hours of my time, plus a $50 bar tab…. and the sex is average and I have to constantly perform and manipulate…. fine for a 25 year old…. I can’t be bothered….. and the math is pretty clear here…..
I want a massage, and incredible deep-throat at 9am on a Monday morning before I go to an important business meeting, and I want it on that specific day at that specific time when I want it, how I like it. I want to step into a room, with a girl that is made up and dolled up already in lingerie, moving and schoomzing for me. I want to relax. I don’t want to trip over her dirty underwear and pile of discarded cosmos mags on the way out of her place. I want nice music playing, nice lighting, clean sheets… and I most certainly don’t want to have to say hi to her flat mate on the way out.
Nobody is suggesting to stop gaming women. The American distaste for prostitution is an anomaly. Many developed nations all over the world have legalized prostitution. Sometimes you are in a city for a weekend and dont have the time or desire to put in work at the local hotspots. This was the case when I would fly to some European cities. If the women are clean and professional and you utilize their services once in a great while then what is the problem? Maybe there is a desired ratio prostitutes: women picked up using game? 1:5? 1:10?
Constant sexual frustration can be a serious impediment to cultivating game, especially for newbies. P4P could be an occasional outlet that resets libidinal equilibrium and refocuses energy on game and self development.
As long as it isn’t a substitute to learning game and bettering yourself in all the other ways, nothing wrong with it.
It’s also worth noting that there are probably just as many male prostitutes as women, but you never see feminists giving a shit about them.
The moment you choose to chase after some female you lose. Gaming females is extremely exhausting. Why do you think pimps have that famous quote “pimping ain’t easy”? At least pimps exploit a financial incentive with their game instead of what the PUA community think is an accomplishment (laying some whore for a night) as if its worthy of praise. It reminds me of this old rap song I heard back in the early 90’s which states “I never ever spoil them hoes with my dick because if I do I might as well be another trick”
forgot give credit to the artist Too Much Trouble “Best Little Whore House in Texas” 1993 Rap A Lot Records
http://www.youtube.co/watch?v=gR1IuSy6D0E
Most of these comments imply every male is in an area around young attractive women.
This is not the case, especially with the men who work full time.
If you’re in a second or third tier US city with very little “going out” options and the majority of your time is dedicated to making ends meet and furthering your career, prostitution makes a whole lot more sense when there’s no girls around to use your game on in the first place.
I have to believe there are some very very rich prostitutes in North Dakota right now
When I was younger and traveling around building very large infrastructure projects, I used to call places like that “BYOP” sites – bring your own pussy.
With a sudden excess of young, hardy men working construction, ALL the available women where occupied. I’d have to drive 60 miles to get laid.
There is a time when you get pussy for free…..and that’s college. Even by the end of it, you’re sticking with freshmen and sophomores for sex because the older college girls begin to revert back to the status chasing they will continue to do throughout their SMV drop in their 20s.
Unless you have a discerning network that continually puts you in the nightlife venues that ACTUALLY have attractive girls – and many of you overestimate how many venues there are out there that have them – you will have to pay in some manner. There are a lot of duds out there in the nightlife scene, and you aren’t going out (or have admirable connects) if you aren’t seeing them. Even if you pull often in clubs or bars the successes dull your senses to the amount of other times you went out where you did not get a prospect that turned into sex.
Even if you have Looks,Money,Status,Game or any combination of the 4, you will come up short some nights. Hell, you could have even met a girl who digs you but “it just wasn’t riiiiiiight.”
From a purely economic standpoint, dropping $150-200 for a quality of girl (thinking hard 7-8), doesn’t end up costing much more (or even costs) than the gross amount you spend going out and meeting an equally attractive girl.
You are right. After college the women who look for casual sex also have increased standards. Women in their late 20’s and early 30’s who want casual sex want top quality studs only. Younger ‘sluts’ have less prohibitive requirements.
Marriage is the state sponsored form of prostitution. You get to pay inflated maintenance costs on expired goods that other men get to use. If word got out that for 20 bucks you can do anything with a Lucy Liu or Mina Kunis look a like abroad then the whole matriarchy marriage complex would collapse.
No, marriage is the state support (emotional and financial) of children.
Not anymore. It should be like that, but with marriage and divorce laws GLOBALLY that leave men defenseless in the context of a divorce, lots of men refuse to marry. In many countries a divorce will make the woman get 50% of your goods + alimony for sure.
I have no idea how you all managed to ignore the larger picture.
I mean really people. for all the big idea talk, the big picture seems to be impossible to grasp for some people.
When prostitutes are legal. the demand for girlfriends and wives drops as some men substitute prostitution. This doesn’t have to be you for you to benefit. This in turn makes the girlfriends and wives less “expensive”. In other wordls, less unbelievable f’ing cunts.
In short, prostitution lowers the price of pussy.
Pornography lowers the price of pussy.
Naturally the pussy sellers don’t like this.
Not particularly hard to understand why, is it?
This is a good argument but it still hold men in the position of disadvantage. Something that should not be. Look at it from the perspective of sex as trash or useless chore. Slate had a article on devaluation and free availability of sex on double X for a long time and it alway made me smile. Setting a price, no matter what kind is an expression of scarcity. Pussy has no value.
Wrong. Prostitution is legal in Australia, and yet the women there suck as badly as any other. Check my last article where I railed against the western male, Australia topped the charts in terms of pathetic betas.
Legalization and normalization are 2 different things. There is an immense stigma attached to paying for sex. The average young male simply doesn’t consider paid sex as a normal option, even if he is for the most part sexually frustrated.
That’s just men not understanding how the market works and being shamed out of using alternatives.
Also we’re discussing sex not relationships, getting an Australian girl to sleep with you isn’t that hard. I’ve dated my share of them out here, though my sample set may be biased.
I read this forum a few times a week but seldom do I comment. this is my favorite subject. I travel to se asia at least once a year for the last 8 years. If u go to Bangkok you are bound to run into pros. I like to go out and day game the “good” girls in the shops and pharmacies that line the streets. but if I don’t get a date for that night i will head strait to the brothels. I have a way to pick out the “new” pros, mostly just turned 19 and have a Reba McIntyre “fancy” style family life, but ill share that secrete another time.
one of my cardinal rules is to never pay for sex upfront, I pay them afterward, when I want them to leave. there are little dirty “cribs” at the brothel but I never use them. I will get a room close to the brothel, and on the walk from her “crib” to mine, I use kino and work sum game anyways. by the time I have them in the elevator to my place, the attraction is not forced or faked for the money, or maybe im just blessed to pick out the pros who are genuinely affectionate. bottom line for me is if pass the boner test and I lay them right, they cannot fake the volume of “gashdrip” that leaks and gushes. the “good” girls respond the same way in the sac if im on my game.
my question is, if u can find a pro is into sex, and would sleep with you without the money, is paying her to go away the same as paying for sex? what is it worth to you to be able to have lustful sex and have the girl be okay with you using her just for sex?
what do u think Sanseau?
Oh…and, write more about pros vs wives.
this article is, for lack of a better word, perfect Samseau.
If you just want a fuck then go for it, but in the end it isn’t just about the sex. The chase is better than the catch.
“The chase is better than the catch.”
You must be a woman.
That sounds like the moral of the story to a Disney princess movie.
hell yeah it`s good. it takes away the only element of power that women have to lord over men, and that is their pussy. a guy will be way less desperate and less inclined to bend over backwards for a chick if he knows that he can walk away from her at any point and head to the whore-house. hell, does it even matter if you pay a hundred bucks on a date with some wannabe-princess or the very same 100$ on a prostitute? think of the ripple effect it would have on women, knowing that they`re basically replaceable. holy smokes that would be a world to live in, where women may actually show some humility and deference. how the heck could anyone be against it?
You just defined East / South East Asia btw. Even in countries where it’s “illegal” it’s still HIGHLY available, often in various forms and flavor. What P4P does is establish an actual objective market price for access to various levels of sex. It takes away the women’s ability to price fix and manipulate men to paying outrageous “prices” for their pussy. In essence it lower the actual amount of time / effort / commitment required to get access.
I think, after seeing so many responses, it all depends on how much a man feels jaded by the whole experience of dealing with women. There is no one right answer.
Guys – take a trip to Artemis in Berlin, then come back here and say P4P is a bad idea.
100+ hot, naked chicks waiting for you in a club – what’s not to like?
there is no one answer fits all to this, if that’s what everyone is looking for
this kind of binary question never goes anywhere
some men will find using prostitutes agreeable, others disagreeable, context changes, context is king
the morality of prostitution, however each man conceives it is the queasy unspoken at behind this question as I see it
I read the article but didn’t read the comments.
Here
is my personal experience and situation. I was pretty much against p2p
until I hit my 30s. Reasons are that by casually buying something, you
should strive for, you miss the opportunity to better and improve
yourself. This is even more true when you live in large Metropolitan
areas with millions of women available.
2 things
happened to change my mind, I got (a very well paid) job at central
Africa where there were no women available and an R&R trip in South
Africa after months in the rural areas. The R&R came together with
high quality hookers.
Buying a beautiful and
experienced woman’s sexual services puts things in perspective on what
is the true value of “civilian” pussy that we so hard try for and pushes
your confidence up if you are in the right frame of mind.
YMMV. You can successfully use it to your advantage or it might hurt you. Hookers are a sporting activity not a psychological/support support system.
THIS.
Hookers are the air support men have when they realize after a decade of trying that “game” is bullcrap and getting “civilian pussy” boils down to achievement, money and resources.
This is one of the most controversial topics between liberals and conservatives red and blue pillers, players and betas. There are many elements involved. Legalization, wide availability and influence on sexual economics. Morality and benefit. Gender relations and feminism. Personally I enjoy making women beg for my cock and would never go anywhere near strip club, never mind buying a ho, I am conflicted on many aspects. The anti-establishment nature sees illegal status of prostitution as a control while male pride and arrogance want to enforce it’s own view. Influence on society and gender politics is a big question as well. Ultimately I believe it comes to personal perception of sex.
Well, I guess it depends on what you’re looking for.
If you want sex, and that’s all you want, then you should use a prostitute. This costs money.
If you want a woman to ‘like you’, and you want the ego boost of being capable of getting a woman to ‘like you’, then you’re not going to want a prostitute. You’re going to have to use game to seduce a woman. This costs time (and often money).
Either way, it’s going to cost something.
If I wanted to, I could make myself a delicious gourmet meal. I could buy the ingredients, look up the recipe and do it myself. But there are times when I’d rather just pay for the convenience of dining at a restaurant.
Let’s be honest with ourselves here: banging a 9 isn’t easy for the vast majority of men on this planet. You have to meet her, game her and probably spend some measure of time/money and effort in order to get her in the sack.
With a few hundred dollars, you could have bona fide 9 come over to your place, have her any way that pleases you, and then you could send her on her way. Remember, a lot of the guys who pay for high end escorts aren’t down-on-their-luck losers….these are rich businessmen, doctors, politicians and even celebrities (e.g. Elliot Spitzer).
If hookers are the only way you can get laid, then you’ve got problems. But not every guy that pays for sex is a loser. Throughout history and even to this day, many of the richest and most powerful men avail themselves of whores.
“but if I looked into the dull listless eyes of some whore laying under
me pretending to enjoy sex so that I’ll cum soon and she can get to the
next john I’d feel terrible about myself, and that’s from an internal
point of view independent from any external opinion.”
Is that really any worse than picking up some bar skank who will likely continue to ride the cock carousel? For all you know, she could be fucking several other guys concurrently. In this day and age, a good percentage of the population are worse than whores. At least a whore isn’t going to “accidentally” get knocked up and extract child support. At least a whore won’t divorce rape you.
there is a famous quote :
“madam will you go to bed with me for a million dollars ?”
“erm, yes I would consider it.”
“how about for fifty bucks”
“what do you think I am some kind of whore?”
“madam we’ve already established the transaction now we’re just negotiating on price.”
Any women, even a devote nun, given the right set of circumstances will give up her body for a man’s sexual pleasure.
What the payment and the parameters are simply have to be defined at the beginning of the transaction.
The player defines the transaction in terms of pushing the right buttons, very often in a “short con” style dishonest manner just to get insider her for a night or two.
In other relationships right down to the unhappily married beta male and his troll wife, parameters have been set such that he’s paying through the nose just to stop her humping other men and have access to his own house and kids.
None the less, every sexual relationship bar none… involves the woman “validating” access to her vagina… just as every transaction in a shop involves the store assistant validating the credit card or requesting cash up front.
P4P has it’s good point especially if your trying to build up your bedroom skills and finding out what you like with being afraid that the chick you just pick up, wife, or girlfriend may think of as a bad lay of a freak. Fucking skills are just as important as seduction skills. I am sure most of you guy can use a little more help in that department. Sex is a skill you can’t get on a forum for men or by talking about it. It had to be done like any other skill. So p4p does serve a purpose. Plain a simple.
The chicks players go after are no better than hookers anyway and many have had far more dick inside them than a hooker in the business less than 2 years. The carousel riders are just as cold, just as soulless, and just as fake as any hooker AND they tend to cost more. You can get hookers to “fall” for you if that is your thing – I’ve done it and its easy. Remember the old adage to treat the queens like whores and the whores like queens. The women the players pursue are the worst sort of Frankenstein cross breed of these two extremes – they are whores who thoroughly believe they are queens.
If you plan to simply bang them and move on is paying for dinner, drinks, doing text game, day game, night game, bar game, push-pull for weeks to score one lay a better deal? I can see the challenge here – go to the gym and get hard – practice insults, negs, and dominance then you get laid by a girl who is no better than a hooker, looks worse than one mostly, and almost always costs more. And if you are a man who is 50 and you still want 24 year olds then what? H-O-O-K-E-R. You control the quality with the wallet and you get your rocks off just as assuredly.
Go to SE Asia. $20~$25 USD will buy you a guy’s attention for the entire night and they’ll do whatever you want. REALLY puts things in perspective, pussy is cheap, my time isn’t. Bitch gotta earn my time.
Legalized and widely available prostitution would most certainly be good for men. There’s a reason it hasn’t been legalized in the United States yet, and that’s because American women as a whole are not willing to allow it. American women are a cartel when it comes to their pussies, and most of your normal woman/girls have a soft desire to prohibit prostitution for reasons of their own selfish sexual strategy, and this translates into continued prohibition.
It’s supposed to be simple and natural for a man to “rent” pussy, but both feminists and the religious right (the core of which is older married females) work together to prevent a legal pay for pussy market from existing, for the benefit of woman as a whole at the expense of men.
Do note though that in an age of increasing sexual freedom, women (both the feminists and the religious kind) are finding it hard to justify restricting people’s freedom to engage in sex for money, so they increasingly disguise their basic objection to prostitution as concern over human trafficking. In fact, you can pretty much consider “human trafficking” as code word for “prostitution.”
What I fear is that if prostitution is allowed in the U.S it’ll be mandated in such a way as to still cast a pall over it. For instance, they might forbid the involvement of middle managers.
Good post. Your last paragraph is the reason I would prefer to see it as simply decriminalized as opposed to full on legalization. The government will end up making it worse with all kinds of restrictions in their pc attempt to please everyone.
One more point I’d like to add: Consider all those “nice guys of ok cupid” and omegas of whom the Jezebel crowd are so contemptuous off. It’s especially THOSE guys who pay the price of the prohibition of prostitution.
Reading through these replies, everyone is answering as if every man is alpha. Not everyone can be alpha, and not everyone can be alpha within a reasonable period of practice/effort/time, or no one would be beta….If you can’t pay for women with time/practice/skill of being an attractive alpha man, the option of simply paying with money for women is reasonable.
The fact that “a piece of you dies knowings he doesn’t give a fuck and you’ve resorted to paying her” is a moot point, because if you’re beta, you’re already dead (in the sense of your masculinity.)
Check out the writings of Laura Agustin. She chronicles the international effort to conflate prostitution with human trafficking and slavery:
http://www.lauraagustin.com/site-map
Society, and women in particular, try to portray men who pay for sex as misogynistic creeps who want to abuse and dominate women.
They dont want to acknowledge that for many single men who dont want a committed relationship, paying for sex is the only option. Casual, no strings sex is only available to good looking, tall, well built men with a lot going in life.
Using prostitute should help you discover a lot about yourself. It will cure your blue balls and satisfy your thirstiness which removes women from the pedestal you put them on because of their p*ssy. This will have a positive effect on your confidence when you approach women because their main weapon has been neutralised. You will no longer be anxious about failure because you know where to go when you need to get laid quick and fast. This is why I think prostitution should be made legal. Women and feminists will detest because nobody likes their most powerful weapon neutralised. It’s a major loss of power for them so of course they will be mad about it.
Finally some who get the game. I was thinking that a lot of guy was just clueless to the power of p4p. Their morality and social brainwashing has prevented them from seeing it this way it guess. I share your thoughts.
We are growing in numbers. Here is a former blue pilled nice guy who recovered after doing some tough work.
Q for the forum: how do you make a woman cum? A: I don’t care! I had a blast reading this article, mostly for the comments section. It ranges the gamut from political overthrow to pure trolling! Prostitutes are part of the social exchange and on some level it can be a much more honest interaction than dating. Just remember–“I don’t pay them for sex, I pay them to leave.”
I sincerily hope that all those of you against prostitution also don’t masturbate to porn, because porn is ten times worse than prostitution. How loser like is it to sit around jerking off to other people paid to have sex?
Prostitution is fine and always have been fine. It makes a fine line between sluts and women worth pursuing. It makes women need to offer more than sloppy pussy to get a man into a relationship.
“It makes women need to offer more than sloppy pussy to get a man into a relationship.”
I would vote this up 100x if I could.
Don’t know if I’m allowed to posts links here, but here is the single most important “must read” blog on prostitution:
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I have no game nor the patience. When I want pleasure from agirl want it no silly,trying to be clever and all that . Too much fuss. I mght have some when on mdma though. I have a high sex drive and kinky desires so that’s were hookers come in. I recently discovered aderal. Amped on those pills and stroking with plenty of lube to free internet porn, is immensely arousing and pleasurable. You can be stroking all night till the next afternoon. If your a pervert like me try it!!
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Game is about Manipulation the one power that gives you the greatest satisfaction. If you talk about different kind of sex with Prostitutes you either only had cheap hookers or you confuse love with sex.
Sometimes women are just a pain in the ass.. I haven’t had a girlfriend in a year, not looking for one either, but to go bust a nut with a pro would be excellent.
you are a dying breed you fascist, sexist, homophobic cunts. gutted.
You’re a dead breed, you feminist, sexist, horrific cunt. Go troll some site that gives a shit about your raving projected self-loathing.
first amendment right. i suppose you have never heard of it, kay, which sort of makes sense considering you are a supporter of this site. i firmly believe boys like you are scared because, you know, deep down, you are fully aware of the amount of power women are coming into and inherently contain. so you write these articles and create these websites and comment on such posts because ultimately you are taking out your own frustrations and therefore, focusing that attention on really disgusting issues such as these. yes, please, let’s discuss prostitutes! they are simply toys, anyway. such a good use of my time. let’s make the rhetoric even more damaging to women. as if they have not already endured enough. check out the book ‘half the sky’. there is a legitimate slave and rape problem that overwhelms most of the female population in the ENTIRE WORLD. yes, let’s rather discuss that. more women have died in the past decade than all of the men in all of the wars combined in the twentieth century. please, let’s discuss that.
You are free to your opinions, however, you are not free to make up your own facts.
“Fucking a girl because you paid her doesn’t matter to the girl, but it should matter to a man that wants to master himself and grow”
“if I looked into the dull listless eyes of some whore laying under me pretending to enjoy sex so that I’ll cum soon and she can get to the next john”
If I only could catch the guy who wrote that. I’d show him how women are raised now, and how men should be.
Fucking jerk.
um you dont have to show us anything. We already know how women are.
Take a look at any of profiles on any of the dating sites. Thats your answer.
If a prostitute has chosen this career path, she’s needs to make money from that choice. I’d be doing her a service. In terms of how it affects me….. fuck, I’m bisexual. I don’t HAVE to deal with dating women. But for those breeders reading this who do, think of this: your woman doesn’t give a shit. Almost all long term, monogamous relationships involve cheating at some point. You’ll be putting in effort to bang a woman who will be the only woman you can bang without being afraid of getting caught, all the while she will bang somebody else anyway. But maybe we can even cut that end. I’ve been practicing Polyamory (dating multiple people consensually), and I always make it open, as opposed to loyalty based. In other words, I get romantic relationships AND fresh pussy. No pressure to marry or “man up.” This seems like the alternative. In other words, YES prostitution and NO to monogamy, but such a sacrifice doesn’t mean giving up romance or seduction.
Its all a matter of attitude. 100lb Asian spinner after night out in Atlanta with an awesome blowjob, high fiving all the dudes in waiting room. Worth every penny!
Its all a matter of attitude. 100lb Asian spinner after night out in Atlanta with an awesome blowjob, high fiving all the dudes in waiting room. Worth every penny!
sex trafficking, including prostitution, is a 12 billion dollar industry in the world today. and more girls and women have died due to this industry in the past decade than all of the men in all of the wars combined in the twentieth century. rhetoric such as this, even if it’s a legitimate debate, feeds into the way women are perceived and treated…and ultimately killed. you are legitimately scary people. please go do something good for society. PLEASE.
Only a disgusting feminist would have the gall to make such a statement.
Not only is it false, but it denigrates all of the men that gave their lives providing shelter and protection for women.
You are something truly less than human.
Learn some economics. If prostitution were legal, employers would treat their prostitutes like princesses. They wouldn’t be killed.
Prohibition of anything leads to a black market, with all of the violence and evil associated with it. Check the 1920s mobsters when alcohol was banned to the COMPLETELY PEACEFUL AND SAFE competition between Budweiser, Coors, et c.
If you actually “Care” about women, legalize it. But DON’T TAX IT
DAMN! You must be a woman! Only a woman could be so wrong writing so few words. I could drive a tank through the logical fallacies and outright lies contained in your comment. I hope you were so disgusted by the maleness here you ran back to your lesbian cave filled with cats and never came back.
There is a massive distinction that must be made between underage sex trafficking, and a mutual transaction between consenting adults for sex.
You have your research cut out for you.
Ew, not only do you write a bullshit article, but you use a non-misogynist’s artwork without even bothering to credit the artist? Jesus Christ, no wonder women don’t want to be near you.
They can smell the non-crediting from a mile off, as if he’d slept in a septic tank.
I personally would not sleep with a prostitute because I don’t believe in spending my money to fuel the sex industry. If I want to meet someone worthwhile, I’d rather be friends and get to know them.
Fuck off
PUA, Game, Nightclubs, Bars, are the Sex Industry, buddy. Prostitutes are independent contractors who deliver.
You sound very young and reflect an innocent view about the world. In 10, 20 years your perspective will change greatly.
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You aren’t wanted here, one year ago, now, or ever.
It all depends on how you frame it but framing it in a bad light hurts more guys than it helps. Abstaining from prostitutes to improve game is worthy, its what I’ve done for a year. A prostitute is good for many things, firstly sex is not gold, this is a good mindset to have. To know that sex is available from attractive women (escorts) does wonders for ones neediness. There’s also the inexperienced or virgins who will benefit a lot from having sex in this way, its puts less pressure on them and they get to feel that sex is no big deal. I’ve seen the 20 year old virgins game and they reek of desperation, get them to pay for a lay and their game improves
I have been “learning game” for 15 years. Trust me, “game” is bullshit, “game” is a luxury car and a house. Watch Two and a Half Men (old seasons with Charlie Sheen), it is the pure truth. Charlie fucks not due to game, but due to money, car and a house. How many NBA players have you seen learning “game”?
As much a I disliked that show, that’s how Charlie kept on winning. And with $1 million per episode, why not?
Im sorry women, but you’ve asked for it.
A hooker is the most honest woman a man would ever meet. It is a graunatee return on investment.
Women use men( for free) all the time. They get us to boost their ego by giving free compliments and buying them drinks without getting anything back.
Most women who are against legalizing prostitution are against it simply because it will make them lose value in the dating system.
I would just recommend reading this article and then thinking about if prostitution is good for men or not: http://www.wikisexguide.com/wiki/Prostitution_Prices
Sex costs under a dollar in Bangladesh, but sells for 300 dollars in Switzerland and United States. It is just like a brand name shirt. Costs under a dollar to make, but sells for hundreds of dollars in the rich countries if marketed right.
I could elaborate into my life, it would be too long. I used to believe in unconditional love, in women who would appreciate me for being a hard-working man with a career and a respectful personality. After living in 4 different countries; unfortunately, I have to tell that prostitutes are the most honest women on earth.
I have been rejected countless times for not having a car, or living in a top notch appartment. Suddenly, when I started making decent money, women who didn’t even return my calls started contacting me.
Being less than 38, I can’t tell how things were before the dawn of feminazism; however, dating women today causes a lot of pain (and it shouldn’t). I lived in a country of southern Europe for 20 months and it was painful seeing how women ran behind the guy with money. They are not to be blamed, it is us men who were deluded by Holeshitwood to believe that the nerd fatass of the class can steal the girlfriend of the Football team captain just by being nice to her.
Prostitutes allow men to have their needs met without pursuing women. They destroy women’s overinflated egos and overinflated sexual market value. They allow men to have sex without committing to the first psycho bitch that comes across, and allow men to be picky and careful when choosing a woman to ask on a date.
Why the hang-ups guys? Want to bag a hot blond and not willing to invest the time and money? We’ll, there is a really simple and cheap solution to that, and I promise she will work hard and show you a good time, with ZERO hassle.
It is an enjoyable and reasonable fill-in from time to time.
I lived in Las Vegas for nearly 20/years and when our wonderful mayor, Oscar Goodman, proposed legalizing prostitution you would have thought he was proposing a return to slavery! People wanted to recall him! LOL!
Look, people said, We accept that all that stuff goes on down on the Strip and that’s where we want it to stay! But don’t you dare spread that Vegas Vacation lifestyle into our communities.
Now in truth Goodman was proposing no such thing and the Strip, believe it or not, is NOT even IN the city of Las Vegas! It’s in the county. But even so, people understood about the Creep and the Slippery Slope and weren’t taking any chances. Let local men drive to Pahrump just like the tourists or risk getting arresested in the city. NIMBY!
This from the country that among other things:
Whines about men seeing women as objects, yet families don’t have a problem taking their kids to Twin Peaks
Women whine about men watching porn yet they read Fifty Shades of Gray.
Americans criticize cultures such as the Japanese schoolgirl culture, yet don’t see a problem putting girls in tiny cheerleader outfits, or worse, enroll their little girls in those creepy little miss pageants.
Don’t want prostitutes in their backyards yet have no problem banging foreign prostitutes.
Pump and dump. In other words, close to sociopathic behaviour.
Thats a good thing. Men not having to pay for sex is awesome. Living with you parents, getting government welfare, having sex with babes for free. Now thats the life.
Soon, everyone will lose their jobs to automation and technological progress. So it wouldnt matter anyways. Its a democracy, so its the people who vote for welfare states.
Thats not the reason why the males dont hunt. The male owns the females. Whenever a female makes a successful hunt. The male will forcefully take the hunt from the female. Its like a pimp that goes to his woman and says, “bitch better have my money”. There are videos of female lioness who cant even feed her cubs because the male alpha will just take it.
That chick will become emotionally unattached real quick once the man stops providing. Unless that man his hitting her and shes afraid of him. I cant see otherwise. Would explain why prostitutes give pimps their money when pimps dont provide.
Prostitution is an easy and honest transaction. You pay for unattached sex and move on your merry way. No need for the hassle of “learning game,” and being an asshole who is too consumed with insecure, sociopathic, woman-devaluing, alpha/beta philosophy bullshit.
The reason the author doesn’t like the idea is because it makes the posts about “game” and spending all day in clubs irrelevant. Instead people can simply go to a bad section, an aiport hotel or a truck stop and probably pay less.