Highlights From The Chris Dorner Manifesto

Chris Dorner is a former LAPD officer who was terminated for reporting that a police officer was beating a suspect. His reward for violating the unwritten “blue line” was to be unceremoniously forced out. Once he took his appeals as far as they would go, he snapped and decided to wage war against the department by killing people associated with the LAPD.

At this time of this writing, he has killed four people and is holed up in a burning cabin. The first victim was Monica Quan, the daughter of the LAPD lawyer that represented him when he fought his dismissal.  He killed her because he believed the lawyer sought to protect the department’s interests before his own. His second victim was her fiance, who I presume was in the wrong place at the wrong time. His third victim was a police officer who he ambushed at a red light. The fourth was shot down around Big Bear Lake in California.

I took the time to read Dorner’s 11,000 word manifesto. Here are the highlights:

Even with the multiple conversations and ambient noise I heard Officer Magana call an indivdual a nigger again. Now that I had confirmed it, I told Magana not to use that word again. I explained that it was a well known offensive word that should not be used by anyone. He replied, “I’ll say it when I want”. Officer Burdios, a friend of his, also stated that he would say nigger when he wanted. At that point I jumped over my front passenger seat and two other officers where I placed my hands around Burdios’ neck and squeezed. I stated to Burdios, “Don’t fucking say that”. At that point there was pushing and shoving and we were separated by several other officers. What I should have done, was put a Winchester Ranger SXT 9mm 147 grain bullet in his skull and Officer Magana’s skull. The Situation would have been resolved effective, immediately.


The LAPD’s actions have cost me my law enforcement career that began on 2/7/05 and ended on 1/2/09. They cost me my Naval career which started on 4/02 and ends on 2/13.


I’ve lost everything because the LAPD took my name and new I was INNOCENT!!! Capt Phil Tingirides, Justin Eisenberg, Martella, Randy Quan, and Sgt. Anderson all new I was innocent but decided to terminate me so they could continue Ofcr. Teresa Evans career. I know about the meeting between all of you where Evans attorney, Rico, confessed that she kicked Christopher Gettler (excessive force). Your day has come.


I’m not an aspiring rapper, I’m not a gang member, I’m not a dope dealer, I don’t have multiple babies momma’s. I am an American by choice, I am a son, I am a brother, I am a military service member, I am a man who has lost complete faith in the system, when the system betrayed, slandered, and libeled me. I lived a good life and though not a religious man I always stuck to my own personal code of ethics, ethos and always stuck to my shoreline and true North. I didn’t need the US Navy to instill Honor, Courage, and Commitment in me but I thank them for re-enforcing it. It’s in my DNA.


Luckily I don’t have to live everyday like most of you. Concerned if the misconduct you were apart of is going to be discovered. Looking over your shoulder, scurrying at every phone call from internal affairs or from the Captains office wondering if that is the day PSB comes after you for the suspects you struck when they were cuffed months/years ago or that $500 you pocketed from the narcotics dealer, or when the other guys on your watch beat a transient nearly to death and you never reported the UOF to the supervisor. No, I don’t have that concern, I stood up for what was right but unfortunately have dealt with the reprocussions of doing the right thing and now losing my name and everything I ever stood for.

It’s hard not to root for him to get back at those who ruined his career when he worked his job with apparent integrity, but does the punishment he hopes to inflict (death) fit the crime of LAPD corruption? Dorner believes it is. He says, “Unfortunately, I will not be alive to see my name cleared. That’s what this is about, my name. A man is nothing with his name.”

His manifesto is surprisingly lucid and well-written. I never got the impression that I was reading the words of a maniac, though killing people he doesn’t know is maniacal to most. Court records shows that he has never been in trouble with the law.

Self Preservation is no longer important to me. I do not fear death as I died long ago on 1/2/09. I was told by my mother that sometimes bad things happen to good people. I refuse to accept that.


From 2/05 to 1/09 I saw some of the most vile things humans can inflict on others as a police officer in Los Angeles. Unfortunately, it wasn’t in the streets of LA. It was in the confounds of LAPD police stations and shops (cruisers). The enemy combatants in LA are not the citizens and suspects, it’s the police officers.


When the truth comes out, the killing stops.

He has given the LAPD an out, but it does not appear that they want to take him alive (there have been two incidents of trigger happy LAPD gunning down vehicles similar to Dorner’s). He can walk into a church, unarmed, but he will still die. He must die so that the issue can be swept under the rug instead of a public trial where LAPD corruption is brought to light.

Personally, I believe he was wronged, a silent victim of department corruption. Most people would ask Dorner to fight via the system, but when it’s the system that has ruined his name and doesn’t care for the truth, I can understand why he feels there is no other way out but through killing.

This department has not changed from the Daryl Gates and Mark Fuhrman days. Those officers are still employed and have all promoted to Command staff and supervisory positions. I will correct this error. Are you aware that an officer (a rookie/probationer at the time) seen on the Rodney King videotape striking Mr. King multiple times with a baton on 3/3/91 is still employed by the LAPD and is now a Captain on the police department? Captain Rolando Solano is now the commanding officer of a LAPD police station (West LA division). As a commanding officer, he is now responsible for over 200 officers. Do you trust him to enforce department policy and investigate use of force investigations on arrestees by his officers? Are you aware Evans has since promoted to Sergeant after kicking Mr. Gettler in the face. Oh, you Violated a citizens civil rights? We will promote you.


Those lesbian officers in supervising positions who go to work, day in day out, with the sole intent of attempting to prove your misandrist authority (not feminism) to degrade male officers. You are a high value target.


Those of you who “go along to get along” have no backbone and destroy the foundation of courage. You are the enablers of those who are guilty of misconduct. You are just as guilty as those who break the code of ethics and oath you swore.


I’ve heard many officers who state they see dead victims as ATV’s, Waverunners, RV’s and new clothes for their kids. Why would you shed a tear for them when they in return crack a smile for your loss because of the impending extra money they will receive in their next paycheck for sitting at your loved ones crime scene of 6 hours because of the overtime they will accrue. They take photos of your loved ones recently deceased bodies with their cellphones and play a game of who has the most graphic dead body of the night with officers from other divisions.


How do you know when a police officer is lying??? When he begins his sentence with, “based on my experience and training”.


I never had the opportunity to have a family of my own, I’m terminating yours. Quan, Anderson, Evans, and BOR members Look your wives/husbands and surviving children directly in the face and tell them the truth as to why your children are dead.


I have nothing to lose. My personal casualty means nothing. Just alike AAF’s, ACM’s, and AIF’s, you can not prevail against an enemy combatant who has no fear of death. An enemy who embraces death is a lose, lose situation for their enemy combatants.

The only thing that changes policy and garners attention is death.


You said that I should have kept my mouth shut about another officer’s misconduct. Maybe you were right. But I’m not built like others, it’s not in my DNA and my history has always shown that. When you view the video of the suspect stating he was kicked by Evans, maybe you will see that I was a decent person after all. I told the truth.


I thank my friends for the awesome shared experiences. I thank the unnamed women I dated over my lifetime for the great and sometimes not so great sex.

The media has interpreted his manifesto differently than what I read. They believe he’s fighting against racism and gun control. This makes for an easy motive that fits well in 90 second news stories, but those issues had minor roles in his manifesto (his gun control view is only to limit military grade weapons that even police forces don’t use). He does have typical liberal views with his support of Obama and the Clintons, but it’s obvious from the manifesto that his crusade is against the wrongs he’s been served. In his mind, he’s killing based on principle, and he’s ready to give his life for that principle. This is what makes him simultaneously dangerous, psychotic, and heroic, all at the same time. I don’t agree with him killing people, but I do understand. I hope he survives to tell his story to the public, even if it’s from a prison cell.

65 thoughts on “Highlights From The Chris Dorner Manifesto”

  1. his gun control view is only to limit military grade weapons that even police forces don’t use

    Wrong. Just about every police department in the USA issues AR-15s. California’s proposed total AWB explicitly allows cops to keep their own privately owned ARs. They’re a common rifle in common use. Millions, if not tens of millions, are in the hands of law abiding citizens. Sporting purposes include hunting (five round mags are available and they’re available in calibers suitable for deer), static target shooting, and timed competition shooting.
    Furthermore, he explicitly advocated Feinstein’s latest AWB proposal, which goes very, very much farther than just banning ARs. It would ban most modern firearms in common use by civilians for legitimate purposes.
    Incidentally, Dorner made some confused noises in the manifesto which looked a claim that you can buy guns online without involving a federally licensed firearm dealer (FFL). That’s either a lie, or unpardonable ignorance from a cop. My guess is ignorance — my first assumption with gun control folks is always ignorance. They never know what they’re talking about, mainly because gun control is a purely emotional position to take. The facts never justify their feelings, so they don’t waste much time on facts.

    1. Yeah, look at the images of the cops hunting Dorner–they are almost fully militarized now. It’s not like the gun ban activists are proposing an unarmed police force like in their utopia, the UK (though of course the UK also has a secondary force that is heavily armed), they dream of licking the jackboots of strong thugs

  2. I’m torn about this one. I don’t for a second doubt he was telling the truth about the officer who kicked that guy on the other hand he killed people as judge jury and executioner (as does Obama, as does the LAPD etc).
    There is a video interview with the victim who appears to quite clearly describe a woman kicking him.
    We all know wrongs don’t make rights but as Auden said “Those to whom evil is done do evil in return” and the law literally afforded him no other recourse.
    There is something about him that reminds me of John Brown (make of him what you will). Perhaps Dorner and the LAPD were always going to be locked in a fatalistic dance.

  3. Good article.
    I too think that this is much bigger than race. The media makes it about racism because like sexism and class they don’t really appeal to logic, but to emotions. Even though racism simply means to discriminate someone based on their race, the word “racism” triggers something much more severe; it triggers thoughts of hatred. Once you hate something, or you think someone hates you, you lose all objectivity in that regards and are not interested in thinking critically about a person or an actual event that has just taken place.
    Chris Dorner reminds me of Joe Stacks: the guy who crashed his plane into an IRS building a couple years ago, after writing a manifesto about how he too had been used and abused by the system. I think what we’re beginning to see, as we become more of a police state, is how much faith has actually been lost in the system. Think about all the red pill guys in the manosphere; the loss of faith in corporate America and the stability of a corporate job; the 9% favorable rating of our lawmakers; the neverending list and popularity of conspiracy theories; the distrust in police officers to actually protect us in a time of need; the decline in the belief of the American dream etc.
    We constantly talk about the decline of America – it’s happening right under our very noses. It seems Will Durant was talking about us when he made this comment about one of the most common trends in human history: “A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself within.” Is there any doubt that Dorner’s psychopathy and the ever growing list of psychopathic murderers in America is just another example of a nation in decline?

      1. Here’s the full quote:
        “A great civilization is not conquered from without until it has destroyed itself within. The essential causes of Rome’s decline lay in her people, her morals, her class struggle, her failing trade, her bureaucratic despotism, her stifling taxes, her consuming wars.”
        Which in retrospect, is actually much more depressing than the shortened version.

  4. My impression of Dorner’s Manifesto is that he snapped because he has invested his entire life in a governmental system that decided to chew him up and spit him out as soon as he became an inconvenience to them.
    He has spent his life, and risked death repeatedly, to defend, support and struggle for the benefit of the US government and the LAPD. He bought into the Matrix completely. He believes in it. He devoted himself to it.
    What he never realized (until the end) was that the LAPD only wanted him for his muscle and his unquestioned loyalty, not for his opinions, and certainly not for his devotion to the truth.
    Dorner got stuck between two, mutually incompatible ideas —
    (1) that the government (and the broader social system as represented by the media) to which he devoted his life are true and just and good faith forces of goodness, and
    (2) that the government will, at the first sign of his resistance, crush him like a bug and not think twice about it.
    This conflict creates is an intense form of cognitive dissonance. It was made even more intense by Dorner’s enormous personal investment in believing in Point No. 1 — the legitimacy of the LAPD (and the government in general) as an agency of goodness.
    He was forced to swallow his version of the Red Pill — that the LAPD is a criminal enterprise, and that it cares more about employing chain dogs like Teresa “Chupacabra” Evans on the force so she can torture and flay the skin off of anyone who complains too much. They want lying psychopaths like her on the force, more than they want guys like him.
    This caused Dorner to snap. If you read his Manifesto, what he’s saying is that the current officers of the LAPD are not morally fit to run it. In other words, he STILL believes in the system, even as it’s hunting him down. He thinks it’s his job to sacrifice himself to purify it, and purge the infidels from the temple.
    He reminds me of the guy who flew his plane into the IRS building in Austin. He had the same cognitive dissonance borne of two mutually-incompatible thoughts: that government is good, but government is maliciously crushing him.
    Being forced into that kind of doublethink can drive a person crazy.

    1. Surprisingly Dorner seemed quite the liberal. His affinity for popular culture. His acceptance of feminism.

  5. “I hope he survives to tell his story”
    That will NEVER happen. Police have killed several innocent people because they were driving vehicles like his – one well after that vehicle type and color had been discovered burned. But I guess they didn’t get the memo, so they will find that murder justified…
    Having seen a police offer, who clearly perjured himself protected by a judge who had the testimony stricken from the record, and all of the evidence suppressed, none of this surprises me. Basically the only criminals you really need to worry about if you are equipped to protect yourself is the police – they are the problem. When they do not have to protect the people, nor their property – as has been stated numerous times by various police departments, the question that comes to mind, is “What are they good for?” Of course, every tyranny needs drones who have an “us” against “them” mentality. Right now they are all out to kill Dorner for exposing corruption – but he killed 4,people in most cities more people are killed in a night – yet you don’t see the type of response seen here. So why are they so gung-ho to kill him?
    I’m a firm believer in looking at what is behind the actions – obviously the response isn’t due to the number of murders, that is a normal day in most cities…. So what could it be??? (sarcasm intended…)
    Of course, I can say the above because I take preventative measures so that I am not “mistaken” for a criminal and shot – of course none of those police officers will be held accountable for their murders of innocent civilians, they committed for just driving a certain color of a truck. Apparently that is a crime punishable by death – which is what they are saying when they find such criminals not-guilty – and they will… Of course, you won’t hear anything about that. The media will not cover that… They never do…

  6. I read elsewhere that there are 5 versions of his manifesto and the original was 6000 words. did someone do some editing

  7. My stab in the dark is that not going on to work outside of Law Enforcement and Armed Forces was his weak move. Killing sprees and going on the lam are Omega traits if I understand all this correctly. This was a guy who could have used some game, at least as a distraction from his inner demons.

    1. No. Regardless of others opinions on the validity of one’s particular reasons or cause, drawing a line in the sand and saying “no more, no matter what,” is as alpha as it gets in this world.

      1. I disagree. He went out like a bitch. His reponse was classic omega. It was an obvious move of desperation at the realization that he had no power over his life or influence in the world.
        If he was really “alpha” he would have assessed the situation early on, then played the game. Upon ascending to a rank of power and inffluence he would have then exacted his revenge, or changed the system to how he saw fit.
        Example? Obama…

      2. Was this Alpha beta omega? please shut up.
        These terms have been made completely redundant now.

  8. In the Dorner story, we have the possibility of making some important social commentary. The question I would like to see answered is this: why, in the past few years, are seeing more and more of these “snapping” incidents where some guy goes on a spree kill over some grievance?
    What, if anything, does it say about our modern society here in the US? Are people here so consumed with internet-age malignant narcissism that they believe killing is an acceptable form of protest? Or, are the normal channels of appeal so closed to the average hapless guy, that he sees no alternative except violence? Someone needs to look into this. I also suspect that these violent male killing sprees have something to do with the marginalization and misandry prevalent in America today. I am not justifying Dorner’s and others’ actions, only seeking to explain it as a sociological phenomenon. It is too easy to write Dorner and other recent spree killers are just aberrations. I strongly suspect that these people are being manufactured by modern American’s culture, the features of which are: excessive narcissism, pervasive anti-male bias, inability to communicate effectively, and instant gratification.

    1. >> “… why, in the past few years, are seeing more and more of these “snapping” incidents where some guy goes on a spree kill over some grievance?”
      Not all of these incidents are what they appear to be. Here’s Robbie Parker, joking one second then hyperventilating apparently in preparation to look mournful when he goes on TV to talk about his child who was a victim at Sandy Hook Elem:

      As Paul Craig Roberts notes, “Another puzzle is the video of a father whose child has supposedly been shot to pieces. Prior to the interview he is caught on camera laughing and joking, and then, like an actor, he pulls his face and voice into a presentation of grief for the interview.” See:
      Paul Craig Roberts was Reagan’s Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Economic Policy

    2. http://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/42/wiles.php
      There are horrifying parallels to human society in John Calhoun’s Universe 25 experiment:
      In 1972, John B. Calhoun detailed the specifications of his Mortality-Inhibiting Environment for Mice: a practical utopia built in the laboratory. Every aspect of Universe 25—as this particular model was called—was pitched to cater for the well-being of its rodent residents and increase their lifespan. … There was abundant clean food, water, and nesting material. The Universe was cleaned every four to eight weeks. There were no predators, the temperature was kept at a steady 68°F, and the mice were a disease-free elite selected from the National Institutes of Health’s breeding colony. Heaven.
      Four breeding pairs of mice were moved in on day one. After 104 days of upheaval as they familiarized themselves with their new world, they started to reproduce. In their fully catered paradise, the population increased exponentially, doubling every fifty-five days. Those were the good times, as the mice feasted on the fruited plain. To its members, the mouse civilization of Universe 25 must have seemed prosperous indeed. But its downfall was already certain—not just stagnation, but total and inevitable destruction.
      (As the population increased, and social roles and networks began to be strained)
      . With more and more peers to defend against, males found it difficult and stressful to defend their territory, so they abandoned the activity. Normal social discourse within the mouse community broke down, and with it the ability of mice to form social bonds. The failures and dropouts congregated in large groups in the middle of the enclosure, their listless withdrawal occasionally interrupted by spasms and waves of pointless violence. The victims of these random attacks became attackers. Left on their own in nests subject to invasion, nursing females attacked their own young. Procreation slumped, infant abandonment and mortality soared. Lone females retreated to isolated nesting boxes on penthouse levels. Other males, a group Calhoun termed “the beautiful ones,” never sought sex and never fought—they just ate, slept, and groomed, wrapped in narcissistic introspection. Elsewhere, cannibalism, pansexualism, and violence became endemic. Mouse society had collapsed.

  9. ‘Or, are the normal channels of appeal so closed to the average hapless guy, that he sees no alternative except violence? Someone needs to look into this. I also suspect that these violent male killing sprees have something to do with the marginalization and misandry prevalent in America today.”
    I think you found the answer here.
    The system is corrupt and unjust.

  10. Definitely the usa is no more. The Will Durant quote already posted here sums it up. Both the police and the military have adopted mafia mentalities. Literally they have become tin soldiers.

  11. Dorner was a murderer of innocents, but I still thought “fuck” when they got him.
    A guy named Scorpion nailed the reason why in a Roosh Forum comment:
    “People generally feel powerless to do anything about government overreach, so when a guy like this stands up and says, ‘Enough! Fuck you. I’m not taking anymore!’ that resonates with the frustrations of a lot of people.”
    In this age where you see a new video every day of cops beating people, tazing people, killing people, Dorner felt like revenge. Even if you never got fucked with by cops yourself, you see them beat a retarded man to death while he screams for his dad and it gets your blood boiling. Dorner made the cops feel like the cops can make you feel: some heavily armed murder machine can come out of nowhere and fuck with your life at any time, and get away with it.
    Full thoughts here:

    1. I understand his premise, but there are two points that he forgets to consider.
      1. Those videos that show cops abusing their power are nearly always edited and presented with out context. Of course the media happily fills in the context for you. And like useful idiots, we bite hook line and sinker.
      2. The police merely reacted to him as the would any threat hostile to them. I don’t think any cop felt anymore scared to be on the street than before. If anything, his action made them more emboldened and more agressive; in affect they were given free run to act withour restraint. If anything Dorner garunteed his demise and probably felt more like a cornered animal than he ever felt once he set his demise in motion. (assuming he’s dead)

  12. Even though using his personal vehicle when cops were looking for him was beyond stupid. When his truck broke down, it was game over for him after that.
    It will all be forgotten in a few days. On to the next story.

  13. uhhh…did you say he killed his lawyer’s daughter? That’s pretty foul. She was someone’s lover, sister, friend etc. and had nothing to do with Chris’ misfortune. How is that justifiable?
    I really have to question this man’s ‘integrity’. Not to mention how this whole fiasco will feed the fire for the radical gun ban movement (Monica Quan’s fiance should’ve carried one).

    1. Killing the gal’s father would have inflicted undue pain on her her well. War hurts.
      The only people benefiting from so called “rules of war”, are those with the most resources. Underdogs cannot afford to observe such silly niceties.
      In Mexico and Columbia, once the narcos started targeting the family of police getting too zealous, police zealousness decreased. Ergo, killing daughters work. When you’re the underdog, you benefit from hitting the opposition wherever it hurts.
      It’s a bit like a gunfight in an old western. The only people benefiting from the rule of “not drawing first”, are those that have spent their whole life practicing gunfighting. Regular Joes, as Billy the Kid figured out, are much better off shooting the bastard in the back when he least expect it.
      Also, as the Jihadists are quick to point out, there is no clear delineation between combattant and non-so. Family gives front line combatants strength and energy. Civilians pay taxes and build arms supporting war machines. And the winner is the one that gets to act as referee of history.

      1. That’s neat and all, but my uncle has been fucked over way worse than this guy by the system and he hasn’t gone on a killing spree (yet).
        From the looks of it, the guy looks handsome and was probably pretty charismatic. He could’ve turned his adversity into a greater benefit and lived a more meaningful life doing something else, just being glad that he no longer worked under the corrupt government.
        But instead, he wasted all his potential and caused needless death and suffering in vain. Fuck that guy. I don’t the manosphere is going to benefit by sympathizing with these kinds of crazies just because they’re men.

  14. I really fear that the pervasive pro-feminist, misandrous climate in America today is serving as a breeding ground for organisms like Dorner and all the other spree killers of recent memory. As men are increasingly marginalized, maligned, demeaned, and unvalued, and as there are few positive role models for young men today, many simple souls will take refuge in the one common denominator that all males possess: the capacity for violence. Not understanding how to break out of the prison created around them by feminism, political correctness, and the like, they will lash out at society as a whole. And this is what we see happening now. You will never see this link discussed in the media–since it would point the finger of blame at the wrong sacred cow (feminism)–but I think it is real and tangible.
    When you are not valued and demeaned, you begin to adopt behaviors that mirror that belief system. I am not saying Dorner acted the way he did as a direct result of feminist theory. What I am saying is that feminism, unrestrained girl-power nonsense, and the anti-male climate that these things have created is spawning a whole new breed of marginalized and potentially violent monsters. Expect more Dorners, more Breviks, and more mass killers of whatever ideology or grievance. Regardless of the ideology they adopt as window-dressing, what they all have in common is that they were driven insane by the political correctness and dysfunctions of their societies. If I’m wrong, tell me I’m wrong.

  15. It’s pretty sickening that police can just burn a suspected criminal alive. When did the police become the judge, jury, and executioner? It’s hard to sympathize with a murderer, but the way the police handled this whole case had me rooting for Dorner.

    1. Burn some suspect. Shot a couple of newspaper delivery ladies for driving a truck. Stuff your face on donuts at taxpayer/subject expense… It’s all in a day’s work for the anointed ones in our totalitarian dystopia.

    2. They didn’t burn him alive. They set fire to the cabin he was in to smoke him out. He was free to walk right out the front door with his hands up if he wanted.

      1. “He was free to walk right out the front door with his hands up if he wanted.”
        So he could be gunned down as opposed to dying from smoke inhalation.
        Pick your poison.

  16. While I think it’s absolutely crucial to try and understand mass killers like Dorner, I think everyone who gives him the benefit of the doubt stretches way too far. In his manifesto, I see nothing but the markings of a delusional human being–not a ranting psychotic, but someone who is clearly misaligned with reality, to the point of ultimately being a danger to everyone around him, including himself.
    ” What I should have done, was put a Winchester Ranger SXT 9mm 147 grain bullet in his skull and Officer Magana’s skull. The Situation would have been resolved effective, immediately.”
    This was Dorner’s response to hearing several cops use the N-word, and I think there are a couple of aspects of it that’s worth discussing. It goes without saying that this word is a terrible racial slur with heavy psychological baggage, but the fact that he feels justified in dishing out murder to rectify a negative word being used tells me that:
    1) He has a victim mentality (rational men realize that we’ve all said hurtful things and committed ignorant acts that have caused people harm. You, me, everybody that’s ever drawn breath. That he can’t process hurtful language without the fantasy of murder indicates that he doesn’t possess the requisite amount of self-awareness to call himself a man).
    2) He has a delusional mentality (he believes the problem would have been effectively resolved by shooting two guys in the head. He doesn’t say that he would be content in prison for a murder he believes was justified–he doesn’t seem able to even process the ramifications of murder in the first place).
    “I never had the opportunity to have a family of my own, I’m terminating yours. Quan, Anderson, Evans, and BOR members: Look your wives/husbands and surviving children directly in the face and tell them the truth as to why your children are dead.
    He irrationally blames other people for his not having a family–again externalizing his problems on others–and then makes a conscious choice to murder innocent people in retaliation for the wrongs of his life. If you condemn the LAPD’s wanton shooting of innocent bystanders, then you have to condemn Dorner’s murders as well. That 28-year-old and her fiance had nothing to with him. Neither did that deputy he killed in Big Bear. He committed the very same wrongs that he accused the corrupt LAPD of doing, somehow believing he alone was correct in his use of lethal force. This is the act of a genuine cognitively-impaired individual.
    “I was told by my mother that sometimes bad things happen to good people. I refuse to accept that.”
    Then he refuses to accept reality itself. Adults know that the world is a mix of wonderful and horrible things, and that most people will experience both sides on a daily basis. This is life. Of course that doesn’t mean we should be complacent in the face of genuine corruption and decay–but you have to accept that the world is going to jack you over sometimes, the same as it’s done to every single human being who has ever lived. Dorner not accepting this clear fact is a wailing siren of his impending meltdown.
    Based on his actions and his manifesto, I see a man who was unwilling or unable to function in reality, a man who saw himself as the sole shining beacon of righteousness in a blackened world (and how many times has that worked out well for various personalities throughout history?), a man who blamed all of his problems on external factors, and finally a man who could comfortably commit murder.
    In short, not a man at all.
    It’s a tragic case though, both for himself and the people he murdered–and everyone that’s ever been wronged by a corrupt police force. But cops are bad because people are bad; their ignorance and selfishness aren’t unique to that profession. Working on society as a whole is the only way to fix that problem, and the Dorners of the world, whether they’re still in uniform or gunning down those that are, will always be working against society.
    Like every other bad person, Dorner did the devil’s work and got the devil’s wages. His life ended in a burned-down cottage–a place where he tried to take additional innocent hostages, by the way–and the only person that put him there was himself.

    1. I agree completely. All I see is a guy with a severe victem complex who is taking his frustrations out on the world.
      I don’t doubt he experienced some unfairness, or witnessed instances of injustice, but overall he comes off as a self righteous whiner…

  17. It is an eternal truth that men react strongly to both amorality and injustice, it is hardwired. The more the western world slips into decay, more men will act ever more forcefully. Fist individually, then in gangs and finaly in mass movements.
    The interesting times have barely begun.

  18. Oops, hit the enter button on accident.
    This is a men’s interest website, and we can be sanguine about such topics, but Dorner’s actions–no matter the pretense–were utterly inexcusable and (assuming guilt, which seems likely) his death sentence deserved. It’s women who empathize with killers for their flaws and foibles, their sexuality and humanity. Men empathize with the rule of law and structure of civilization; this is why we have a civilized world. Are we women or men?
    We all know that the worth of men is the sum of their actions and achievements. So far as we know thus far, his killing spree is the greatest achievement of his life. Therefore, he ended his life a worthless and despicable man. We ought to lionize men who overcome adversity and achieve great things, not those who hop into a kamikaze plane and take down an aircraft carrier during their own personal destruction. Donner was a domestic terrorist with a suicide mission. End of story.
    Now, if we want to take a positive turn here, we can analyze the social reasons why things like this happen and figure out how best to move forward with both healing the damage caused, and learning to prevent future ones. But any talk that describes this guy as anything other than a murderer is utterly preposterous. The injustice he may have suffered at the hands of a racist/sexist/otherwise flawed police department cannot possibly justify his killing spree. No words for him, other than ‘glad he’s gone’. (Presumption of innocence until proven guilty, of course, but guilt seems very likely.)

    1. I know a lot of guys have a hard time understanding why go after someone who is innocent.
      But the fish rots from the head down.
      How many innocent people has Obama killed with drone strikes ? Many are unaware that they are wiping out wedding receptions to get one ” alleged ” terrorist.
      Things of this nature are now showing up on the shores of AmeriKa

      1. The terrorist person of interest KNEW he had a bull’s-eye on his head. Yet he chose to frequent areas full of civilians, or take refuge amongst his family members. He is responsible for their deaths. And let’s not forget, the very nature of their Jihad on the west is attacking “innocents” and non-military targets.
        Do not take this as a statement of America fighting a purely clean and just war (in reality no such thing exists). Take this as a que to not be naive.
        Who is reporting on American drones killing innocent wedding goers? I bet they say we ‘ere intentionally targeting schools as well. Kind of like a time in the not too distant past where we blew up a baby milk factory. I mean how could America do such a thing? It had ‘Baby Milk Factory’ painted on the roof and everything!
        War isn’t just kinetic. It’s psychological too. Don’t think the enemy isn’t hard at work pumping out propaganda of their own.

  19. Everyone who is thinking of defending this guy: get a grip.
    The LAPD fired him from a job. They didn’t kill anyone in his family, put him in prison unlawfully, or anything else of the sort. They canned him from his job. He was a free person who could have picked up the pieces, and moved on to something else.
    I won’t say for a second that these LE agencies aren’t some of the most vindictive a$$clowns around when they want to take revenge on your personal life, but at the end of the day, getting fired from a job is not even close to justify murdering someone’s kid!

  20. Dorner reminds me of my younger brother. This is no compliment. My brother is a gullible idiot and refuses to accept responsibility for anything that happens in his life whether he directly or indirectly contributed to it. To him everything is a sign of injustice, racism, or exploitation. Sometimes it is…most times it isn’t.
    From everything I’ve seen and read he appears to be a classic Beta male AKA “useful idiot” of the system. He appears to have bought into the BS the GOV and society feeds us to keep us inline; then he cracked when he discovered that reality is far different.
    Unfortunately for those he killed he didn’t do like my brother and retract from the world into a life of hermitude. Instead he lashed out with violence and an asinine manifesto that allowed the system to easily paint him as a loon, and then eradicate him…convenient.
    He played the role of a dutiful chump to the end.

  21. Case closed for me. According to Roosh, the guy with the manifesto who went around killing people seems to be the honest guy. You know, the manifesto – how Dorner sees the world – is clearly how things went down. Everyone one else, of course, is a crook in a corrupt system.
    But then again, San Quentin is full of innocents. Bet there is lots of manifestos in there full of truth, justice, and whatever way the con sees it from his perspective.
    I’ll eagerly wait for his next ROK article breaking down the next manifesto of sorts from the next US postal worker who feels so aggrieved at losing his “career” that breaks out an automatic and lays waste to those he feels wronged him.
    At least for some people Jesse Jackson and Sharpton now have a new poster boy to wage a war against the people that have wronged one certain group in society. Well, from the way they see it anyway.
    Dorner created his own kangaroo court and killed innocent people. Scumbag. Case closed.

  22. Well now it sounds like somebody has been listening to much Rage Against The Machine while playing grand theft auto…
    On a serious note, Fuck the Police.

  23. Quintus Curtius
    February 13, 2013 at 11:58 am
    In the Dorner story, we have the possibility of making some important social commentary. The question I would like to see answered is this: why, in the past few years, are seeing more and more of these “snapping” incidents where some guy goes on a spree kill over some grievance?
    there are hardly any dude you can name them off on your ten fingers for the last 15 years so out of 365 million people and untold numbers of divorced dudes getting fucked up i mean people will pretty much take anything you do to em
    most people

  24. Regardless of the ideology they adopt as window-dressing, what they all have in common is that they were driven insane by the political correctness and dysfunctions of their societies. If I’m wrong, tell me I’m wrong.””””””
    you are wrong look at world war two civil war iraq killing the shit out of people in the name of the red white and blue
    but you have a few incidents of some people killing some people very few in the scheme of things and it is supposed to be a big deal gtfo

  25. Quintus Curtius
    February 13, 2013 at 1:11 pm
    I really fear that the pervasive pro-feminist, misandrous climate in America today is serving as a breeding ground for organisms like Dorner and all the other spree killers of recent memory. As men are increasingly marginalized, maligned, demeaned, and unvalued, and as there are few positive role models for young men today
    your a shill right
    think about it why normal people need people in positions of power to do the right thing by em
    normally cause people don’t really make that much of an impact on lone events
    unless it is a revolution now ok maybe then
    recent memory you have a media that reports on happenings of millions upon millons of people and they can only come up with ten incidents in 15 years so yea not a reason to take away all freedom

  26. HIs manifesto drives the reader to the conclusions the writer desires. There is no way to determine how much is fiction of delusion. Remember he killed people he did not even know and had nothing to do with him, other than being related to his supposed persecutors. “He called me a nigger so I pulled the trigger!”??? That kind of thinking is supposed to justify his actions? Clearly a pathological narcissist

  27. He was a message to white supremacists. Stop your hidden racist stereotypes, realize that just cause your ancestor did something great doesn’t mean you are all that great. I once had a guy get mad at me for stating that racism exists. What an idiot.

  28. It’s not about killing an innocent person it’s about punishing LAPD Capt. Randal Quan. Revenge is a dish best served cold. Mr. Quan now has to live with that fact that if he had been an honorable man & done the right right thing from the beginning his daughter would still be alive.

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