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The Myth of Date Rape Drink Spiking

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I remember the first—and last—time someone tried to roofie a girl I knew. It was years ago in college. I was at a house party with some friends when we noticed that “Samantha,” one of the girls with us, had suddenly gone catatonic and glassy-eyed, only an hour into the party. We tried to snap her out of it—shaking her, waving our hands in front of her face, shouting “Earth to Sam!”—but she just stared at us. We figured that some creep had slipped her a mickey while her back was turned, so a couple of her girlfriends walked her home.

Paradoxically, that incident made me realize that date rape drink spiking is a myth.

Oh sure, Sam had been roofied, that much was obvious. But the idea that there are hordes of women having their drinks spiked so strange men can drag them into dark alleyways to violate them is a complete lie. Here are three reasons why…

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1. Most women who go out drinking aren’t alone.

Every single girl I’ve ever known who goes out to bars and parties does so with her friends. If she gets roofied, they’re going to notice her acting strangely, like we did with Sam. How exactly is a potential rapist supposed to peel away an obviously drugged woman away from her friends?

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2. Assuming the girl is alone, you still have to isolate her somehow.

Every date rape drug that is potent enough to make a woman incapable of defending herself from a rapist also incapacitates her to the point where onlookers can visibly see that something is wrong with her. In order to forcibly penetrate her vagina, our rapist has to drag an unconscious or barely conscious girl past throngs of club/bar patrons or partygoers, bouncers, security cameras and any number of people who can notice what he’s doing and stop him. What’s the likelihood of anyone getting away with that?

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3. Who gets off on having sex with an inert object?

Women honestly believe that men are such horny pigs that they’ll fuck anything, even a woman who is completely unresponsive and uninterested. It’s not true. As Jim Goad put it (NSFW), most men are turned off by a lack of consent. Every guy has a horror story about a girl who was a dead fish in bed, refusing to react to anything he did to her. The reason why Fleshlights, blow-up dolls and other male sex toys will never be as popular as vibrators is because most guys find the idea of banging an inanimate object to be repulsive.

So, let’s recap: a man who wants to date rape a girl has to not only drug her, but somehow get her to a secluded spot where he can get his rape on without getting caught by her friends or the multitudes of human beings around him. If even the slightest thing goes wrong, he’s looking at jail time and worse. And even if he succeeds, all he has to look forward to is a few minutes of sex with what’s basically a living corpse.

If you’re going to go to all that effort to drug and rape a girl without getting caught, why not just ask her out? You’ll have the same chance of success, you’ll actually end up enjoying banging her if you do take her home, and most importantly, you’re not breaking the law.

The only conclusion is that most of the girls who claim to have been roofied are lying. They’re using it as an excuse to binge drink and act out without having to own up to the consequences: “It wasn’t my fault I blacked out and threw up all over myself! I was drugged!” Additionally, ugly and fat girls are probably claiming to be roofied as a way of deluding themselves into thinking they’re attractive: “I’m so hot that men are drugging me just to have a shot at me!” Every major study on the subject has proven that date rape drink spiking is rare at best:

Nick Ross, chair of the Jill Dando Institute of Crime Science, commented: “There is no evidence of widespread use of hypnotics in sexual assault, let alone Rohypnol, despite many attempts to prove the contrary.

“During thousands of blood and alcohol tests lots of judgement-impairing compounds were discovered, but they were mostly street drugs or prescription pharmaceuticals taken by the victims themselves, and above all alcohol was the common theme.

The myth of date rape drink spiking persists because it lets women blame their problems on men and avoid taking responsibility for their actions. So the next time a girl tells you she was drugged, demand evidence. If she can’t provide it, call her out for being a liar. Small steps towards a better world.

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139 thoughts on “The Myth of Date Rape Drink Spiking”

  2. #3 is a really great point I’ve mentioned over at some of the other blogs. Not only are the majority of guys turned off by passed-out women, they’re also put off by women who are even slightly drunk — it’s a major turn-off and very non-feminine. It’s only a few outliers who would touch such women and of course feminists take that exception and try to make it the rule.

    1. Was going to say the opposite. Just like with any other fetish there are some guys who are turned on by fucking unconscious girls. Fact. Deal with it.
      But as for #1 and #2, spot on. Been saying this for years. Plus, it’s a pretty expensive way to try and hook up, knowing the failure rates due to #1 and #2.

    2. Was going to say the opposite. Just like with any other fetish there are some guys who are turned on by fucking unconscious girls. Fact. Deal with it.
      But as for #1 and #2, spot on. Been saying this for years. Plus, it’s a pretty expensive way to try and hook up, knowing the failure rates due to #1 and #2.

    3. Was going to say the opposite. Just like with any other fetish there are some guys who are turned on by fucking unconscious girls. Fact. Deal with it.
      But as for #1 and #2, spot on. Been saying this for years. Plus, it’s a pretty expensive way to try and hook up, knowing the failure rates due to #1 and #2.

    4. Was going to say the opposite. Just like with any other fetish there are some guys who are turned on by fucking unconscious girls. Fact. Deal with it.
      But as for #1 and #2, spot on. Been saying this for years. Plus, it’s a pretty expensive way to try and hook up, knowing the failure rates due to #1 and #2.

    5. Was going to say the opposite. Just like with any other fetish there are some guys who are turned on by fucking unconscious girls. Fact. Deal with it.
      But as for #1 and #2, spot on. Been saying this for years. Plus, it’s a pretty expensive way to try and hook up, knowing the failure rates due to #1 and #2.

      1. How many men in the population are attracted to such listless women? Not many….I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s less than 1% of the male population. Tipsy (slightly drunk) women are a turn off.
        They say rape is about power. But who’s got more power: the man who rapes or the man who getsa woman’s consent? Is coercion more powerful than persuasion? Consent over force…always…good article…

      2. How many men in the population are attracted to such listless women? Not many….I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s less than 1% of the male population. Tipsy (slightly drunk) women are a turn off.
        They say rape is about power. But who’s got more power: the man who rapes or the man who getsa woman’s consent? Is coercion more powerful than persuasion? Consent over force…always…good article…

        1. Naive. There are many men with small dicks, men who have premature ejaculations, men who are embarrassed by their bodies, men who have no control over women, men who are too shy to even talk to women.
          You never heard of the Sleeping Beauty syndrome?

        2. Naive. There are many men with small dicks, men who have premature ejaculations, men who are embarrassed by their bodies, men who have no control over women, men who are too shy to even talk to women.
          You never heard of the Sleeping Beauty syndrome?

        3. Never heard of such syndrome…and do you honestly believe the type of men you just listed are potential rapist? You’re thinkingblike a feminist now. Premature ejaculation is cause for date rape? Lol…seriously?

        4. To quote you, “Lol…seriously?”
          Insecurity and lack of control can lead “some” men to indulge in prostitutes and rape. But, of course, not all rapists suffer sexual inadequacies.
          If you’re fucking dumb and/or naive it’s best to keep your mouth shut.

        5. “Insecurity and lack of control can lead some men to indulge in prostitutes and rape”
          Absolutely. And insecurity and lack of control in men has also been known to lead to dating much younger women, and avoiding having committed relationships with successful, confident and sassy career girls.

        6. Bring forth the evidence that proves your absurd assertions…then and only then will I shut the fuck up because “some” men who are rapists and use date rape drugs are in the vast minority…and if they were not, there’d be a task force to put an end to their raping ways…

        7. Men date younger women because younger women are hotter, tighter, sexier, and…that’s right, younger. Science has proven that men find youger women more attractive than older women. Any man who isn’t ashamed of being a man knows this as fact. Older, sassy career girls are far less attractive to men because those women are too masculine. Now, I don’t know if your response is sarcasm or if you reaaly believe in what you say…but in any event rape by date rape drugging is rare.

        9. Oh yeah, and if you re-read my first response, I never said I believed in the drink spiking craze.

        11. Sarcasm.
          Referring to male insecurity as the motivation behind a lot of male choices that certain women find unpleasant is a common feminist trope, and my comment above was intended to highlight this is what “stop banning me” was doing.

        13. That’s absurd. You are claiming that since you do not recognize the motivation of people who rape, either through spiked drinks or any other means, then these people do not exist.
          I personally could probably never kill another human being. Should I then assume that no other people can be murderers?

        14. You can’t be judged for ejaculating early if she (or he- let’s not assume all date rape victims are women) is unconscious. An unconscious partner is the perfect partner in that situation, if you are embarrassed by shortcomings. Not saying that every man or woman out there with sexual shortcomings is a rapist either.

        15. You can’t be judged for ejaculating early if she (or he- let’s not assume all date rape victims are women) is unconscious. An unconscious partner is the perfect partner in that situation, if you are embarrassed by shortcomings. Not saying that every man or woman out there with sexual shortcomings is a rapist either.

        16. You’re just arguing rhetoric and possibilities.
          Sure, maybe some guys get off on fucking passed out women, but there are also women out there who fuck their dogs.
          And if men who bang passed out women exist and do so BECAUSE of their small dicks, pre-mature ejaculation and are embarrassed? What are you doing to get them over their shyness, embarrassment and physical issues?

        17. Straw man, Andreas. He didn’t say no men rape. He said it’s rare.
          This is a point that women just don’t seem to get. Sex with an unwilling or unconscious woman is simply a turn-off. You’re grossly underestimating the protectiveness that most men have toward women.
          Women are a whole lot more interested in being overpowered (bodice rippers, shades of grey, and whatnot) than men are in overpowering.
          I have never met a guy that has this sort of pathological attitude. Certainly it exists, but it is a whole lot less common than women like to think.

      3. Yes, there are probably a number of weirdo guys who are into unconscious women, just as there are weirdo guys who like fucking women dressed in animal suits. There isnt a significant amount of those guys though – they are abberations.

    6. Was going to say the opposite. Just like with any other fetish there are some guys who are turned on by fucking unconscious girls. Fact. Deal with it.
      But as for #1 and #2, spot on. Been saying this for years. Plus, it’s a pretty expensive way to try and hook up, knowing the failure rates due to #1 and #2.

  3. Drinks are often spiked in order to rob the victim of their money. Sometimes, a victim (male or female) will end up getting sexually assaulted, but robbery is usually the primary motive.

    1. I also doubt that sex is the prime motivator when spiking drinks. I think that spiking with MDMA (XTC) would be a lot more efficient if you’re
      trying to get them to have sex with you. But then why not just get them
      drunk in that case.

      1. I heard MDMA turns people into soft jelly emotional fools and who lose all interest in physical sex and just want to tell each other how much they love each other.
        I’d hate that. Which is why I would not do MDMA in a social setting, but rather perhaps go to a rave or some hippie overnight concert, and take a couple grams of mushrooms along with it. I think that’s called Jedi Flipping?

        1. It’ll make people very touchy-feely and open to everyone. I don’t know if it kills actually sex drive. Doesn’t really matter in this case, though.

        2. It’ll make people very touchy-feely and open to everyone. I don’t know if it kills actually sex drive. Doesn’t really matter in this case, though.

        10. Don’t do that? Of course any amphetamine like drug and cocaine will do that because they both constrict blood vessels.I’ve only used the pure surgical cocaine years ago but about the only effect was a really numb nose and throat.

        11. I took MDMA with a girlfriend. We had sex, and it was interesting at first but then we just drifted away into snuggling. It may make her want to get naked with you, but the urge to fuck goes away.

      2. I heard MDMA turns people into soft jelly emotional fools and who lose all interest in physical sex and just want to tell each other how much they love each other.
        I’d hate that. Which is why I would not do MDMA in a social setting, but rather perhaps go to a rave or some hippie overnight concert, and take a couple grams of mushrooms along with it. I think that’s called Jedi Flipping?

  5. When women claim to have been a victim of date rape drugs, the most likely outcome when drug tested is they will test positive for weed or cocaine.
    Obviously, if you do stuff like drugs – without knowing how it affects your body sober or liquored up – it WILL mess you up bad. The symptoms of this aforementioned situation tracks the symptoms of a horrible hangover or, most likely, alcohol poisoning. While I have no doubt date-rape drug symptoms overlap with these symptoms, think about it!
    Who the hell do you ask to get date-rape drugs? Seriously, women who think date-rape drugs are prevalent have terrible views of men. Even the scumbags I know wouldn’t sell anybody date-rape drugs. Which leads into…
    Part of this “date-rape” mess is America’s still uneasy relationships with booze, sex and general merriment. While you could blame older women wanting to simultaneously avoid their daughter getting pregnant and wanting to jealously curb expressions of female sexuality in their prime, the most likely issue is American puritanical impulses.
    Unable to come to grips with their own natural impulses to have sex, enjoy booze and party they port their issues out onto others. Women know how depraved they can be. When confronted, in any sense, about their sexuality, a common kneejerk response is that “Men are all dogs – worse than us!”
    Whether they are or not isn’t the issue, this issue is why you need men to be such dogs. The stereotype exists to relieve women of dealing with their socially untoward sexual impulses.

    1. I don’t agree with you on it being based on puritanical ideas, but at the same time I’d like to see how prevalent the date rape spiking myth is in less-puritanical Europe.

  7. yeah dude, even if a guy said “ok i got the perfect plan, theres the perfect target…” where the FUCK would you get date rape drugs? i have NEVER had a weedman or drug dude asking me if i wanted some. when i was the drug dude i never had anybody even once ask me if i can get that shit. and i never had that shit.
    i highly doubt that there are but a handful of dudes on any continent making use of them. they would likely be serial rapists. and thats if they exist at all. and they probably make it themselves or use makeshift other drugs.
    personally if you wanna fuck a girl, go to a rave, where she will already be fucked up of her own choice and likely walk to your car herself and take her clothes off herself…

  8. Terrible article with weak reasoning.
    Whilst I agree that “I got spiked” is something thrown around all too often as a weak excuse for a girl getting herself into a complete state, it does still happen. Your points can easily be dismissed thus:
    1) for the reason you mentioned, spiking is much more likely to be carried out by someone she knows already, making achieving isolation much easier
    2) “yeah, she’s alright mate, just had a few too many, when will she learn. Looks like I’ll have to take her home” said with a modicum of confidence will get you past any door staff
    3) just because you do not want to have sex with an unconscious girl, does not mean there aren’t plenty of sexually frustrated socially maladjusted weirdos who do. Just listen to 90% of the search terms on Delicious Tacos latest video post.
    The manosphere needs to do better than this, which can be torn apart in 5 minutes.

    1. Dude, if someone she knew spiked her drink it would be all too easy to prove she got raped by him. DNA evidence plus drug detection in the blood stream would land any man in jail.
      Think again about whether or not an evil man would attempt something like this one a woman knows.
      Far, far, far more likely is to spike a drink of a woman you’ve just met. Even then you’d have to be at her place or else she’d be able to bring the cops over to your home.

    2. Dude, if someone she knew spiked her drink it would be all too easy to prove she got raped by him. DNA evidence plus drug detection in the blood stream would land any man in jail.
      Think again about whether or not an evil man would attempt something like this one a woman knows.
      Far, far, far more likely is to spike a drink of a woman you’ve just met. Even then you’d have to be at her place or else she’d be able to bring the cops over to your home.

      1. First of all she needs to remember. Then she needs to go to the police, which is not certainly not a given. A lot of women actually feel too ashamed after they suspect being raped.
        Then there’s got to be enough reasonable suspicion to actually arrest me to take my DNA. Finding a drug in the bloodstream of a girl who I’ve been out to a club with is no evidence I put it there – “Oh shit, that was why she was so wasted, good job I took her home”. If I use a condom, and clean her out and the surrounding area extremely thoroughly afterwards, how much DNA do I leave? Of course my DNA will be on her in other places – I carried her out of the club and put her to bed.
        Is there no chance of getting caught? No, of course not, there’s always a chance. But many guys aren’t that bright. And for the reasons mentioned, it’s pretty pointless to spike a random girl you don’t know or have just met – you’ve got little or no chance of isolating her.
        And what about points #2 and #3?
        I think there is much more low hanging fruit to try and go after than a subject like this. If the purpose of the manosphere is to change public opinion in our favour, articles like this aren’t going to help anything.

        1. …point is, the “I got roofied” line is piss-poor and shouldn’t be tolerated. If every man who was forced to pay child support howled that he’d been tricked and taken advantage of, women would rise up en mass to demand justice.
          If women want to be treated as men’s equals, they might want to stop acting like children.

        2. …point is, the “I got roofied” line is piss-poor and shouldn’t be tolerated. If every man who was forced to pay child support howled that he’d been tricked and taken advantage of, women would rise up en mass to demand justice.
          If women want to be treated as men’s equals, they might want to stop acting like children.

        3. Why would a woman feel ashamed to report a rape in America when her identity is protected? This is just a feminist trope. Why would the cops refuse to believe her when it’s extremely cheap to give her a drug test? Once they find some sort of substance in her blood, then they will have sufficient grounds for a DNA test as well.
          I don’t think you understand how the justice system works very well.

        4. Why would a woman feel ashamed to report a rape in America when her identity is protected? This is just a feminist trope. Why would the cops refuse to believe her when it’s extremely cheap to give her a drug test? Once they find some sort of substance in her blood, then they will have sufficient grounds for a DNA test as well.
          I don’t think you understand how the justice system works very well.

        5. The fact that you’re asking why a woman would feel ashamed to report a rape shows me you know very little about basic human psychology.
          No-one is debating that a lot of women cry wolf over things like this, but this article is poorly thought through and distasteful. The manosphere will never be taken seriously with tripe like this.
          Done with this discussion, I remember why I stopped coming here now.

        6. The fact that you’re asking why a woman would feel ashamed to report a rape shows me you know very little about basic human psychology.
          No-one is debating that a lot of women cry wolf over things like this, but this article is poorly thought through and distasteful. The manosphere will never be taken seriously with tripe like this.
          Done with this discussion, I remember why I stopped coming here now.

        9. The most reasonable and intelligent comment by far. Spot on. Another thing to consider in regards to testing for substances is the very short half-life of some of these drugs. By the time the girl wakes up and regains awareness of her surroundings, the drugs are almost gone and mostly undetectable even by blood tests. Additionally, if you take into account that most girls wouldn’t run straight to a hospital demanding a blood test 1) out of shame and 2) because it does take them a while to wake up from a drunken and drugged up night out. The short half-life of these drugs is also the main reason why studies don’t give an accurate representation of the actual number of times this happens. Furthermore, there’s really no need to go to a dealer, as it’s probably easier to either just steal them, or use other commercially available products that will release the same chemicals once ingested.
          People forget that an essential part of the manosphere is that it shouldn’t be about gossip writing and unjustified non-sense. Critical thinking, informed opinions and knowledge are what makes the manosphere different from these feminist blogs you mention. Do better.

    3. Thank you for pointing out just how awful this article is. Drink spiking happens a lot up here. The bartenders at one particular bar were highly suspected. It got so bad that it made the newspapers and a grassroots “be careful” campaign started when a large convention came to town.
      Plus, as you mention, the article is just shitty reasoning. Most bars have no doorman/staff. I could walk out with the jukebox at most places and nobody would notice until three drunk girls wanted to dance to Brown Eyed Girl.

    4. Thank you for pointing out just how awful this article is. Drink spiking happens a lot up here. The bartenders at one particular bar were highly suspected. It got so bad that it made the newspapers and a grassroots “be careful” campaign started when a large convention came to town.
      Plus, as you mention, the article is just shitty reasoning. Most bars have no doorman/staff. I could walk out with the jukebox at most places and nobody would notice until three drunk girls wanted to dance to Brown Eyed Girl.

  9. The real crime is the price of drinks now days, all of which are “spiked” with mood and mind altering alcohol.

  10. Bitches just need need to bitch. It’s their purpose in life and the only thing they are good at.

  11. I wonder how much of this has to do with eating disorders?
    One time I forgot to eat during the day (busy at work), met my friend for a couple of drinks – which turned into 3 or 4 – and I was acting stone-cold sober until I sat down in his comfy office couch. Within minutes I went from sober, to passed out cold. As soon as my blood and adrenaline stopped pumping, I couldn’t resist the alcohol.

  12. I wonder how much of this has to do with eating disorders?
    One time I forgot to eat during the day (busy at work), met my friend for a couple of drinks – which turned into 3 or 4 – and I was acting stone-cold sober until I sat down in his comfy office couch. Within minutes I went from sober, to passed out cold. As soon as my blood and adrenaline stopped pumping, I couldn’t resist the alcohol.

    1. I had to stop drinking once I started intermediate fasting. After a day of not eating I had a few shots at a party, and was passed out by eleven o’clock.

      1. shit dude i didn’t eat all day one time and arrived an hour early to a party. I drank 3 beers like a dumbass and passed out before the first guests even arrived. By the time I woke up like 3 hours later, the party was half-way over. But I was still drunk and went on a rampage, and remember hitting some girl with a beer bottle while we were driving away. Fuck, that was crazy.

      2. shit dude i didn’t eat all day one time and arrived an hour early to a party. I drank 3 beers like a dumbass and passed out before the first guests even arrived. By the time I woke up like 3 hours later, the party was half-way over. But I was still drunk and went on a rampage, and remember hitting some girl with a beer bottle while we were driving away. Fuck, that was crazy.

    2. I had to stop drinking once I started intermediate fasting. After a day of not eating I had a few shots at a party, and was passed out by eleven o’clock.

  13. Obviously bad things happen to all sorts of people, but they’re the exception not the rule. That’s not to say nothing should be done about it, but rational people just accept the risks of daily life and try to protect themselves the best they can. Why some people choose to codify and elevate their victimhood above all others is beyond me.

    1. True, they use to lock these kinds up with straightjackets and alderol and the laundry list of drugs for schizophrenia.
      I use to think that these people were like Nurse Ratchet from One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest. Now I realize those people knew what they were doing, and were doing a service. Not that I would want to be serviced by them.
      Yet looking at some of these women, perhaps it was for the best?

    2. True, they use to lock these kinds up with straightjackets and alderol and the laundry list of drugs for schizophrenia.
      I use to think that these people were like Nurse Ratchet from One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest. Now I realize those people knew what they were doing, and were doing a service. Not that I would want to be serviced by them.
      Yet looking at some of these women, perhaps it was for the best?

  14. Obviously bad things happen to all sorts of people, but they’re the exception not the rule. That’s not to say nothing should be done about it, but rational people just accept the risks of daily life and try to protect themselves the best they can. Why some people choose to codify and elevate their victimhood above all others is beyond me.

  15. Great article.
    One of the lesser used arrows in “rape culture” idiots arsenals they use to kowtow men and women, but men in particular, to listening to their stupid shit.
    Did you see the laundry list of well known British chicks who have been FRAing men like crazy this past several years? One who did not get thrown in jail until the ELEVENTH FRA was a God awful ugly and disgusting fat body; at least that I had ever seen desire that much attention rather than getting exercise. Or at least finding a dude who likes disgusting fat chicks.
    Honestly, when the SHTF, I don’t want to be your average western women. Sounds like a very lonely future of being pounded, left with no explanation, and loss of your word having any value to police. Male or female cop, won’t matter.
    For the other 99.999999999999999999% of sexual interactions, women are just going to get the lonely and pumped and dumped parts. I also foresee the marriage market and businesses who service it taking a huge, if not final, hit.
    Strangely, it does not bother me at all? I also had not thought about it until reading this article.
    Again, great post.
    Cheers.

  16. Great article.
    One of the lesser used arrows in “rape culture” idiots arsenals they use to kowtow men and women, but men in particular, to listening to their stupid shit.
    Did you see the laundry list of well known British chicks who have been FRAing men like crazy this past several years? One who did not get thrown in jail until the ELEVENTH FRA was a God awful ugly and disgusting fat body; at least that I had ever seen desire that much attention rather than getting exercise. Or at least finding a dude who likes disgusting fat chicks.
    Honestly, when the SHTF, I don’t want to be your average western women. Sounds like a very lonely future of being pounded, left with no explanation, and loss of your word having any value to police. Male or female cop, won’t matter.
    For the other 99.999999999999999999% of sexual interactions, women are just going to get the lonely and pumped and dumped parts. I also foresee the marriage market and businesses who service it taking a huge, if not final, hit.
    Strangely, it does not bother me at all? I also had not thought about it until reading this article.
    Again, great post.
    Cheers.

  17. Dude, there are some sick fucks out there. You have no idea what you’re talking about. I’ve seen this shit several times, first hand.

  18. Dude, there are some sick fucks out there. You have no idea what you’re talking about. I’ve seen this shit several times, first hand.

  19. Great article and just an FYI here in the US the Supreme Court just ruled that taking a DNA sample WITHOUT a warrant is constitutional. It’s now deemed the equivalent of a mug shot or finger prints. So the likelyhood of catching one of the rare slimeballs who does this has increased. The police will take their DNA and even it turns out not to be found on the alleged roofie victim they’ll run it through the system and if it’s evern been found at a crime scene you’re caught

  20. It’s quite telling that every single person crying about this article has completely failed to mention the statistical evidence at the end that vindicates everything I wrote. Anecdotes like “well, I once heard about a friend of a friend who found Rohypnol in her beer” or “well, there are SOME guys who are attracted to unconscious girls” don’t cut it. We’re not chicks.

        1. Read the story its 2, THAT GOT CAUGHT, lots of these girls end up in hospital with memory loss, its rampent, the drug was stolen from ambulance and doctors office

    2. You also forget to mention drugs like those used for date-rape leave the system in twenty-four hours or less
      Good try though.
      I see you are an accomplished troll though so I ain’t even mad doh. I wonder when all of your worshipers will realize you’re mocking them.
      Cheers mate.

    1. Damn I didn’t realize other people had the same problem with Peruanas too. Let’s change positions, “no quiero”, let me move you here, “no quiero.” She just wanted to be a starfish.

  22. I am a DJ and nightclub event promoter. This is not a myth at all. I have personally caught 3 guys doing this, and just about every performer I know has been a victim of it (guys too).
    As other commenters have noted, the primary motivation is probably robbery. However, in the case of the guys I have caught, it was an attempt to weaken a woman’s defenses, every time. They would go around and flirt with every halfway-good looking woman in the joint (badly, I might add), and the next thing I know, I see them fucking around with drinks. In one case the drink was tested and it contained a mixture of GHB + Dexedrine, enough of the former to kill whoever drunk it (luckily the woman who the drink belonged to had only drunk some of it).
    It’s hard to prosecute these cases, because nightclubs are chaotic environments with poor lights and it’s difficult to build a solid case. However, we certainly trespass them and employ certain…social pressures…not to show their faces in local events anymore.
    Anyway, the rest of your points are simple just-so stories, concordant with your usual style. The problem is real, and it makes things very hard for us trying to make our way in the electronic music world. Between greedy owners, hack autosyncing push-play human iPods, and top 40 producers pretending to be DJs, we’ve got enough problems without this shit. But we have to put up with it anyway.

    1. So you’re a guy who basically goes to clubs every night, yet you only caught 3 guys ever doing this, none of them were even using rohypnol but widely-available drugs, and none of the attempts succeeded? That doesn’t really sound like a solid refutation of this article to me.

    2. Fair enough, but you chose to be a ‘DJ’/party-promoter so I hope it as difficult as humanly possible…even then it will be much easier than flipping burgers or curing the ill.

    3. Well its nice to have your opinion and your position as DJ give you a lot of credibility. Everyone else, including the recreational-frequent drug users disagree with you.
      As for being a DJ and woe is you: Every industry has things to cry about. Keep sucking it up. Make your damn hit record. Those human ipod people will go away.

    4. “Social pressures.” Kinda like the night I was out with some buds and spotted some dork about to key my car’s fresh paint. All 5 of us were out the door and surrounding him standing there key in hand, spluttering that he wasn’t going to key my car.

  24. I also know its a myth because of the people I hung out with when I was younger. I had literally every different type of recreational drug or otherwise illegal narcotic available for purchase through various shady drub-dealing acquaintances.
    Most of these people did not have any morals in the traditional sense, and would take advantage of others if it was to their benefit.
    My point is, none of these shady characters ever had “roofies” for sale. Not only that, but I had asked many of them if they ever encountered anyone selling them in their dealings, and they said no.
    I was in a fraternity, hung out with untold assholes and low-lifes (not in my fraternity), and went to 100s of bars and house parties, yet have never personally seen or even anecdotally heard of a guy obtaining or using roofies.
    The social stigma it carries is so huge, even among “criminals” that 99.9% people would be afraid to even to ask where to find it.
    Have any of you ever personally seen it exist?

    1. I’ve not only seen it I’ve taken flunitrazepam. It’s not marketed in the US for some reason but it’s really no different than Xanax (alprazolam) and is about the same strength on a weight basis and can be bought at any pharmacy.If your intent was to drug someone you would just use a higher dose and combined with alcohol it would do the job.It wouldn’t matter if it was flunitrazepam or xanax. However, these drugs have a tendency to make you vomit at higher doses and even at normal doses so it would all be purged.If you take a higher dose it may knock you out so that if you vomit you may choke to death like Jimmi Hendrix and others have done.But what about females who take drugs and then drink? This used to be common with Quaaludes, a real hypnotic, but yet I’ve never seen a female incapacitated by it or anyone complaining about being raped. The real problem is that you’re living in an era of rape hysteria and if they couldn’t blame some so called rape date drug they would just blame alcohol or a hundred other drugs.These aren’t magic drugs where you can take over someone’s mind but yet they still remain conscious. You would be pretty drugged and not able to walk. Have you ever tried to carry a 100lb person who is even semi conscious.All of these cases that you hear about date rape drugs are just girls who are drunk from alcohol and it is voluntary intoxication which is why it’s not a defence in a DWI case. Some girls may even drug themselves so the presence of drugs in her blood does not mean someone drugged her.You also have females taking prescription drugs and then drinking because the warning may just say be cautious with alcohol and they think it’s fine to drink.Routine drug screening may show benzodiazepines but you wouldn’t know if it was “roofies” or xanax she may be using for some condition.

      1. I’ve carried two 100# sacks of sand, one on each shoulder, a long time ago in my prime. But a 100# sack of bones, meat and fat with flopping appendages is a thing of its own.

  27. I’ve been thinking this for a while. The steps involved in the roofying process are like this.
    1. Obtain roofie drug – Easier said than done. If you’ve been around drugs, you’ll know why
    2. Find a girl ALONE in the bar. If she has friends, they will NOT let her leave if she’s a mess. If you can get her out of the bar to her/your place when she’s not a mess, the sex is going to happen and there is no need for a roofie.
    3. Slip it in her drink undetected. I added some sugar to my bourbon lemonade once and immediately people around started asking me what that was. My own drink mind you, not someone else’s.
    4. Drag a passed out, semi-conscious girl you’ve just met who can’t even walk OUT of the bar, into a taxi without looking suspicious. Good fucking luck. I’ve had people get suspicious and taxi drivers refuse to drive me when I was bringing a friend who had drank too much back to her house
    5. Have sex with passed out girl. Arguably the easiest step, though I have doubts on whether you could really get stimulated by a dead body.
    6. Not get caught/pray she had no memories. With science the way it is, the first option is fairly unrealistic if she remembers anything whatsoever or has any doubts, you are fucked, especially if you’re acquainted.
    Pulling off the whole process successfully is slightly incredulous considering the insane loopholes you’d have to jump through right from the first step. I know a lot of partygoers and supply some of them, yet I’ve never come across anything ressembling a date rape drug. The closest was Ketamine and it is pretty hard to find.
    It seems that date rape and false rape accusations are tools for women to deal with the regret that comes from putting out too quick and getting pumped and dumped.

  29. Rohypnol is the drug of choice for rapists because it leaves no trace whatsoever in the drink. Once its in someone, it can be found in the blood. However, by the time the person has woken up and gotten to a state of thought, the traces of it have almost entirely cleared their system.

  30. I’m totally cool with you having your opinions- everyone is entitled to them. But, did you really have to be so offensive? Saying that these girls are lying to make themselves feel better or use it as an excuse after a late night is ridiculous. You can say it’s rare yes, but it does happen to people and it’s extremely rude of you to take it in such harsh tones. Also- I get the whole “it turns guys off” thing but you can’t speak for all men, ever heard of necrophilia? That shit is real so don’t go telling me that all guys find it “repulsive” some prefer it (and are you saying that rape isnt a thing? Because those girls sure as hell aren’t “into it” and don’t want to be there. And all guys find that repulsive too don’t they?). And all of your points as to getting a girl out of a bar while she is drugged- she can just seem like she is really wasted and the guy- her “friend”- is helping her home. A lot of people aren’t concerned with others while they’re partying and it is extremely plausible that a guy can just /walk out/ with some chick who needs help standing up. And just so you know, it doesn’t make the person like a corpse, it’s just like being extremely dizzy and having too much to drink so like I said, easy to disguise and “help home from the bar”.
    Please don’t dismiss peoples experiences and hardships like this, its very disrespectful and hurtful (also infuriating).

  31. Man isolates a girl while she is only drunk, and then roofies her….. ok she went into a dark corner for him- but is that the same as wanting to sleep with him?????! if it is, then a woman or man can justifiably rape whoever on a first date. this is only one contradiction for this horrifically naive ‘article’.
    the power of possession and control has a very different type of attraction to the power of feeling desirable, and probably becomes more potent when ppl are drunk and prone to acting on primitive impulses… and maybe there is no power fetish going on but straightforward opportunism derived from articles like this. trying to provide some sort of generic psychological model based on your own perceived personality is just stupid. you seriously shouldn’t need to be a feminist to get that.
    whether or not this happens frequently is besides the point.

  32. this is the worst thing ever written on the internet. One day a girl you know will be raped in this way and I hope you realize how much bs this is.

  33. Oh great, another case of victim blaming on the internet. If, when you mention “an excuse to binge drink and act out”, you mean that it’s a woman’s fault if she’s raped while drunk, let me remind you that it is illegal to have sex with anyone without mutual consent. Consent cannot be given if the person is affected by alcohol or any other drug.

  34. terrible article mate,no offense
    It seems that you guys,people on roosh etc have gone to the opposite end of the spectrum to defend yourselves.The facts do not lie,there are a few woman using date rape as a pretense but it’s still a legit concern that needs addressing.
    Let me paint a different picture,girl i knew was mildly flirting with a guy…it was a fked up night,maybe she went back to his room with the idea of sleeping with him,who knows?maybe she went with the idea of fooling around a bit that’s it….fact is he roofied her and she’s an absolute straight shooter.
    blunt and honest…more like a guy.got no reason not to believe her.
    it’s an absolute mess and people like you painting this as some sort of conspiracy aren’t really helping.
    http://totseans.com/bbs/threads/4513-So-I-wanna-date-rape-this-girl/page2?s=be447a9ba0ba57659c00076a7ad02883
    the fact that people can ‘troll’ about this shows something is seriously wrong

  35. Your a fucking idiot and don’t understand the basics of sexual assault. Obviously didn’t finish the course on persuasive writing either. Every two seconds a woman is sexually assaulted in North America. I hope a victim never comes in contact with your ignorant ass!

  36. #3 is a really AWFUL point because rapists don’t care. Obviously a normal guy isn’t gonna like having sex with someone who can’t be a part of it, but a rapist’s goal isn’t to have a good time with a girl, it’s to sexually violate someone who has no control over it.
    and on that note I can’t believe you would try to dismiss rape as a real thing and be so cavalier about it.

  37. This article is spot on. I’ve worked as a bartender for 10 years. I know who to call for marijuana, cocaine, heroin, coke, LSD, X, forged government documents, etc. But I do not know where to get a “roofie.” I’ve never seen one. I once asked a dealer acquaintance (he’s a wholesaler) if he knew where to get one, and he said no. Also, the girls I know who claim to have been roofied or who are constantly afraid of it happening are all– all– fat and ugly. Besides, drugs affect different people in different ways; there is no way to predict that any drug will make a woman sexually attracted to anyone at all, much less any individual person. In my professional opinion, “date rape” drugs are a feminist urban myth.

  38. Rape isn’t about sexual pleasure it’s about power, control, domination. This article is horrifically misunderstanding every aspect of rape.

  39. Well, you’re forgetting some key information. For example GHB only stays in your system for about 24 hours from consumption. So by the time you get drugged, get high, get dragged off, potentially raped, pass out for a while, come to, piece together what happened, and then go to file a report, get sent to get your blood tested… yeah. Probably won’t show up in your screening anymore.
    Also, date rape drugs generally don’t knock you unconscious, they simply slow down your reaction time, make you confused, affect your decision making, and make you sluggish and off. Something that would definitely aid in the dominance over someone but wouldn’t throw out huge red flags to everyone around you.
    Also, the act of rape has little to do with sex appeal. According to profilers and other experts on the minds of sick individuals who would do something as awful as rape there are certain types of Rapists
    Power Assurance Rapist: Feels inadequate, wants to restore his confidence by confirming his manhood. Can’t handle the rejection of a women so he forces himself on her all the while telling himself that she enjoyed it. This is your average frat boy date rape type…
    Power Assertive Rapist: Also feels inadequate but puts on a show and acts overly confident. Wants to prove his dominance over someone to make himself feel better. Gets added pleasure by humiliating his victim, forcing them to do and say things, destroying their clothing etc..
    Anger rapist: Has pent up aggression for one woman, or all women, and take it out on his victims. Is brutal and violent, usually uses a weapon. Often times ends up killing his victim.
    Anger Excitation Rapist: Gets satisfaction only from the suffering of the victim. The rape is merely another form of torture that he uses as a form of foreplay to himself, the big finish being killing the victim. Will also sometimes commit an act of necrophilia afterward.
    Rape has nothing to do with sex. Or being horny.

  40. In the wise words of Hal Sparks, “there is no such thing as the date rape drug, it’s just the rape drug cause once the raping starts, the date is over!”

  41. Are you serious? Of course normal people aren’t attracted to passed out women. Normal people don’t date rape people…

    1. Because he is a moron. Stupid people are good at learning how to post pictures and words in blogs….He is just a sad slut of a man who is too ashamed to admit that he has done nothing worth while in his life.

  44. I have personally been roofied, at a frat, and this article makes me sick. I was handed a can of beer (opened right in front of me, too, by the guy) and I drank a few sips and don’t remember much else, except some flashbacks. The 3 girlfriends I was with were not my close friends, and obviously weren’t very caring friends because they didn’t notice that I was falling over myself after half a beer (though maybe we drank more after, idk, since I was blacked out), and they let the guy take me into the other room alone.
    I think frats is where it most commonly happens, for sure.

    1. “though maybe we drank more after, idk, since I was blacked out”
      You werent roofied. You were drunk.

  45. I’m also confused why everyone keeps saying things like “good luck getting a passed out girl out of a club”, or “who would want to have sex with a lifeless girl?”. At least for me, I did not pass out, not even close. My friends said I was just acting really drunk, and obviously I was blacked out.

  46. So the only statistics your referencing here is how hard you think it would be to roofie someone and whether or not you would enjoy it. You’re the worst kind of stupid.

  47. This is such an idiotic post. Yes most young women travel in groups. But do they also split from their groups as the night continues? YES. Some girls are fortunate enough to have people looking after them, but not every girl is always accounted for.
    A college party that takes place in a dimly lit basement at 2 am, when a majority of people are already inebriated, is absolutely the right environment for a desperate male to attempt this. The people who slip the drinks are WAITING for the right moment to strike. I’m sure they also get off on knowing they were responsible for causing this state in someone. It’s a display of power, and sometimes an experiment that may lead to a disturbing incident. Sometimes the right moment won’t arise that very night, but sometimes it will. Seems to me like the author had a few failed attempts himself.
    This entire website HAS to be a troll. I refuse to believe these people AREN’T writing these articles while wearing smirks on their faces and donning beer bellies. What a pathetic attempt to reach an audience.
    PLEASE DO NOT SHARE ANY of this website’s articles. you’ll only give the writers here a broader audience. keep it to yourself. don’t allow these idiots to accrue ANY wealth based of idiocy. Web hits and exposure = money. We don’t need another group of ugly people accruing money and making poor financial decisions with their income to further fuck up our economy. BE SMART PEOPLE.

  48. This article is spot on. Its tough to peel girls away from the group when they’re interested. How the hell is it supposed to happen when everyone can see something is wrong?
    Sex with someone passed out sucks, and I wouldn’t know.

  49. Well I just came across this article and am amazed by your obvious ignorance of the subject and your ill informed opinion. Firstly, I do believe many people who claim to have been spiked have simply drank too much and are attempting to conceal their embarrassment. Alternativly they don’t believe the amount they drank could blank them out but alcohol can whack you in different ways on a whim.
    But your 3 arguments …bullshit!
    1. Groups of friends can easily get separated when drinking..it’s called socialising for a reason. Large groups can get split up, giving the chance for one to go unaccountedly missing. Predators seek out vulnerability.
    2. Roofies don’t always make you fall around the place, just dazed and compliant, walking as normal and the opportunity to be easily led away. Often on nights out, especially with students, I see girls wasted on the street being ‘helped’ by a ‘friend’.
    3. Rape is about power you fool!
    Roofies are not the only date rape drug…ketamine is and that is way easy to get.
    Just a bit of advice for you, if a girl has gotten herself into a state with alcohol don’t stick your penis in her…its rape when she’s too drunk to know her ass from her elbow, it’s certainly not her own fault and not what she deserve because she got herself To that degree of intoxication. Many guys are guilty of this and try to shift their blame onto the girl.

  50. Good article, Matt.
    The hysteria is odd. #1 date rape drug: Alcohol. Gets dopamine pumping and inhibitions removed. It’s a magic combination.
    #2 date rape drug: Cocaine. Most girls, especially if they already have alcohol in their systems, go batshit horny with coke.
    Knocking them out? That’s just weird.

  51. Don’t be hard on ugly girls if they’re not rotundas or bulimics. If they are clean, groomed, dressed like they care about their appearance, and aren’t into poor me pity parties, they’re good. And plentiful. Maybe get two of them.

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