Slutty and overweight Internet feminists aren’t known for their originality or creativity.
This truism has been made especially clear in recent days, with the tandem explosion of two ROK events: my own 24 Signs She’s a Slut piece and ROK’s devastating, unexpected 9-11-for-fatties #FatShamingWeek campaign.
#FatShamingWeek will become fat chicks’ 9-11. Unexpected, devastating. The 19 “bombers” will become heroes in the skinny world.
— Tuthmosis (@tuthmos) October 14, 2013
Both garnered tremendous engagement, and from disparate corners of the web. Much of it came from regular guys who—either recognizing the tell-tale signs of female promiscuity, or fed up with excuse-making from indolent fatties—high-fived us in enthusiastic approval and gratitude. However, a not-insignificant portion came from embittered feminists, crypto-sluts, fat tubs-of-shit, and their emasculated male defenders, who lobbed ad-hominem abuse at the authors. This, we know is the clarion call of the butt-hurt and fragile Internet feminist, who requires a “trigger warning” for mere words on a screen, while unironically declaring herself to be “strong” and “independent” in the same breath.
The fascinating part about these reams of “insults” wasn’t their sheer volume—and it was large—but how remarkably identical they were to every other insult you see coming from their ilk, in manosphere comment sections and twitter feeds, or feminists’ own call-out articles. Their lack of originality was such that you couldn’t help but wonder whether they were all reading from the same instruction manual or whether there’s, in fact, veracity in the argument that women are uncreative copycats with an inability to be funny.
1. Basement-Dwelling Losers
One way to feel better about someone attacking you is to hope and pray they’re unsuccessful, marginalized ciphers. This manifests itself in many forms, but usually with the inference that we live in our mother’s basements and play video games all day which, frankly, would be great—and doesn’t make our assertions wrong.
2. Sexless Virgin
Interestingly, one of the most common responses to my incontrovertible truths about slut detection was the unlikely proposition that I’m, in fact, a sexless virgin. This is among the most common feminist insults, proving that our skills at bedding women are, in the end, the object of their (however begrudging) admiration.
3. Small Dick
The classic feminist and fatty insult comes straight from the penis-envy sector of their brains. They rarely consider that perhaps all of the penises they’ve witnessed are “small” because: (1) their obese bodies make everything seem small by comparison; or (2) their unattractiveness rendered the unfortunate penis’s flaccidness that much more intense.
4. “Your [sic] a Rapist!!!”
When in doubt, shout rape. This (in its various permutations) is easily the most common insult, a sad product of the Rape Tourette’s epidemic among feminists and their white-knight protectors.
5. “Mommy Issues”
In a classic instance of “projection,” sluts and feminists with daddy issues assume everyone has their deep-seated psychological problems.
6. The Exception
“x doesn’t apply to me, therefore your whole proposition is wrong.” The rare exceptions merely prove the rule, sweetheart–assuming you’re even telling the truth.
7. Graphic Violence
The great irony is that people who are so dedicated to fighting violence against women are quick to wish (and describe) brutal violence on others. Perhaps unsurprisingly, they have a particular fixation on the male genitalia.
Ladies (and white-knights), next time you hope to hurt our feelings, frighten us, or get a laugh at our expense, review this list and come up with something new. Unlike you, we can actually appreciate a well-placed insult.
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You terrible misogynist, why am I so attracted to you? Hahahahaha
I guess forty years of having it their way completely in all damnation has led to extreme laziness, fat fuck, herd mentality complex. Honestly, this represents the bulk of the insults I ever see or get.
I think the best one I ever heard was given to me a few years ago by a coworker saying “What? You gonna go to ‘Ihatewoman.com” or something?”
My response was “YES! Yes I am.” At which point the all the others, men mind you, told me how wrong I was, and that Billy Bob’s friend over there got custody, so I must be wrong. I suppose it was somewhat of an intervention?
Still on the darkside I guess.
I hate morons, women are stupid.
Jesse James do you still live with your mother? I bet you are just afraid of a STRONG WOMAN! You just can’t handle a blhblahblah woman like me. You just need to get over your fear of…You men are just afraid of losing all your privileges……….
I do, except it is my wife who acts the part, and then I sleep with her before sending her to work to make me money, do my laundry, and make me dinner. Just like…oh wait?! Shit.
Hahahahaha
So that is what being a beta is like?
The ONLY guys I have ever seen nodding their heads on agreement with feminist hounds spewing nonsense like the shit above…have been betas AT BEST! Mostly omegaish-betas.
This site is rapidly becoming tiresome and monotonous. It seems more and more content revolves around “[fat people / feminists / ugly girls / bitches / liberals] suck”, and very little actually provides insight or fodder for self-improvement. It’s preaching to the choir in the most insipid manner.
I think its a decent article. This article is about the shaming tactics that feminists use. Its informative to any newbies that just took the red pill.
I agree with this. Tuth distilled quite a nice summary.
In fact, anyone else hoping to use one of these tired insults might consider not commenting on future articles, or leaving the site entirely, because apparently it’s clear what they were going to say anyway.
One can dream.
Agreed. I enjoyed it and found it thought-provoking in view of all the negative comments the 2 articles have been receiving.
Precisely. If you can’t recognize the utility in helping men dismantle the robust intellectual apparatus working against their self-improvement in their day-to-day interaction, you’re incredibly short-sighted.
Articles like these are still better than the ghetto-inspired ones like those urging you to steal food from her fridge and support girls with illegitimate spawns.
did one of your “uncles” take your school lunch outta the fridge when you were little?
A hilarious comment by one of ROK’s more insightful contributors.
Over 700,000 people have visited ROK in the past month. As I write this, over 500 people are on the site. Therefore, your opinion has no value, as we can not cater to one individual. We wish you the best of luck in finding another web site that caters to your needs.
Is that 700,000 new members or does that include old and new members. If it were 700,000 new members that would be great, if not, still good.
70% new.
Really now? Jezebel has around 10 million monthly views. And since when did popularity equal quality? If so, the Twilight saga would be some of the best books ever written.
agreed
I skipped most articles of the past week
Waaaaait a minute. Is this actually an addition to the list? If so, it’s clever.
If not… well, it’s proof that you can add to the list.
Self-improvement does need looking into things others do wrong as well, apart from what we do wrong.
Otto von Bismarck: ‘Fools say that they profit from experience. I prefer to profit from other people’s experiences.’
No, it’s just hitting its stride. This article needed to be written possibly more than anything else. The more that’s written, the more that will come up in Google and school 18-year-old boys raised on feminist bullshit. We’re looking at light blub moments with articles like this one.
Well said. I didn’t even consider the usefulness of this material to some random 18 year old kid who’s searching for answers and defenses.
Hopefully we can save a few kids some grief down the road.
Dont forget the ‘ I think he’s gay’ line that bitter feminist females use.
This usually happens when A. Your harem becomes public
B. You have rejected to commit to females(MGTOW)
NB: This is a shit test. Its a reverse psychology/manipulation tactic to get you to be a beta male orbiter just to feed her fragile ego. In fact that could be said about most if not all the insults mentioned by this author.
Solution: Any woman that uses these insults isn’t even worth your precious time/resources.
Exception:Pump and dump
Reason C : You’re not kissing her ass like most men do, she’ll try to rationalize it with “you must be gay”.
True that, especially if she’s used to 10+ beta orbiters, Feminists dont have the ability to do some introspection. She doesn’t realize that she’s hypergamous/hypocritical/narcissistic/ batshit crazy
It has to be a problem with YOU, if you dont suck her toes and bend over backwards, nothing to do with the reasons mentioned above
Hey, I’m still really curious.. Do you actually believe that women and/or feminists want to be better than men? I’m a feminist and I have no problem with men, and the idea of ‘toe sucking’ turns me right off. Have you studied the various academic schools of thought within feminism? Sure, there are extremists, but they don’t account for the entire movement. Equality, that’s all we want.
What equality do you lack? I don’t see what “equality” you’re fighting for.
So woman haven’t had socio-economical equality for decades now?
Sexual equality
Right to vote
Equal pay
etc
So what do you want woman?
Jesus, where do I begin to tell you! You wouldn’t believe me. It’s not only here, in Western society though. In less developed areas, women are sorely lacking in education, access to reproductive health etc. I’m living in Ireland and Irish, and ’twas only in 1993 that we got access to contraception. Also, there were institutions run by the Catholic church (ye might know of them) in which unmarried mothers, and other women who were wards of the state were imprisoned, the Magdalene Laundries. They were exposed to harsh working and living conditions. Many died and were buried in unmarked graves. Read up about it. Was pretty nasty. And the last of these institutions closed in 1996. So, yeah, all that’s in the past, but the victims still exist. Catholicism really didn’t favour women in Ireland. Also, in Ireland abortion is legal, even if the mother’s life is in danger. Pretty shit. I could go on, but I’ve a feeling you’re not keen on knowing.
(See my above response there). And my name’s Tonya. No harm in using it. 🙂
I like your passion, and I’d love to agree with you, but feminism is not the answer in today’s world. Especially in Ireland (my grandparents were born there, with many of me relatives there too). Feminism corrupting the beautiful souls of the Irish people is one of my greatest fears. I want to return to my ancestor’s country and I don’t want to see it plagued with the tramp stamps, bitchy attitudes, and disgusting appearance that women in America oft display. American women have become some of the most intolerable people on Earth.
If anything free sex to such a Catholic country is more a burden than a boon. The pill destroyed marriage in America, it’ll destroy the beautiful traditionalism that has propelled Ireland for years. And Ireland shan’t go back to the hellish dark days under British rule; they dread returning to old British customs that they bled through revolution and sacrifice. Please, if anything, don’t fight for the disgusting feminism that plagues the modern world and fights for incessant sex; fight for the feminism that brings back women to their innate being–feminine, but understanding of the necessity for marriage, and the beauty that Irish women can display if they lose the fat and cut the attitude.
You propose a good argument, and your emotional appeal sounds compelling. I’d love to agree with you, but the red pill truth is greater than any emotional appeal that plagues our world. And last I checked, abortion is legal if the women’s life is at risk (Catholic tradition that makes complete sense).
God bless me home country, Ireland. I recommend you reconsider your choice for fighting for the wrong “feminism.”
What ‘equality’ are you looking for? Please enlighten me
You like my passion, my ’emotional appeal’? But you don’t get the relevance of my argument because A: you’re not living in Ireland and haven’t really briefed yourself on our history, culture and current state of affairs, and B: You’re a product of hegemonic masculinity which, aside from all the other stuff, essentially means you’re afraid of losing your ‘manliness’, which gives you purpose in life. How could you lose that manliness? By looking at a woman’s actual argument, not just her emotive motivations. You fear emasculation. But listen, women who believe that they exist outside of the male sphere of control and domination don’t automatically hate men, or want to destroy masculinity. I know many great men, and many shitty men. I know many great women, and shitty women. We’re all wankers, at the end of the day, which is why I’m for gender equality.
On the abortion note, look it up. Some women in Ireland, and I know from family experiences and reading the news (try it), that women have not been given an abortion when necessary.
Read ‘Ulysses’ by Joyce, and look at some fucking downright fantastic Irish women, and you’ll realize that Celtic beauty, or however-the-fuck you want to romanticize it, isn’t found in the subordination of Irish sisters in the past, who were forced to live up to the Virgin Mary, and believe blindly in the rules of their Popes, priests, fathers, brothers and husbands.
In true, modern Irish fashion, I’d ask you to cop onto yourself now, and stop actin’ the eejit.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-23507923
It’s legal like I said. And legal in the way it should be: if the mothers life is at risk.
It also says she’ll be given an abortion if she’s suicidal. How do you prove someone is suicidal, before they neck the overdose? My point is that it’s only been legalized NOW. Why only now? If you’re saying that that’s the way it should be, that this abortion should be available for women in danger, are you not offended that the ladies of you ‘home country’ had to suffer before this very recent change in the constitution? And why haven’t you agreed/disagreed with any of my other points? Is it all bullshit because I’m a woman? If so, please, do tell me and I’ll hop on back into my box.
I don’t assume anything about gender. And up until recently Ireland had different attitudes about child bearing. It was no surprise for an Irish family to have 5-10 children. But now our world is less focused on families and more on sex. So in a way, for the modern world this law makes sense.
While I do understand that you’re trying to fight for “equality” in places which you yourself deem unequal, I’m not one to forget the bloodshed that created a country in which you now can exercise those opinions. But I know that if I disagree with you you’ll brand me insults that this article is all about. Neutrality is a key element in maintaining a level head. Note the danger of radicalism (any form of zealotry is dangerous).
While I do understand that you propose a good argument and better than the insulting feminists that oft plague the site, I have to respectfully disagree with your opinions. Yea, I may have a romanticized view of what Ireland used to be, but I sure know what it shouldn’t be–it shouldn’t be exactly like the place (Britain) that the IRA had to bleed their guts to break away from. The Republic of Ireland should stay a republic, not a mobocracy where proletarian radicals piss and moan like five year olds every time something’s not equal. Equality ain’t as easy as you may think. It’s not something that you can just fight for and will appear like magic.
People aren’t mathematical equations. They can’t be made equal simply because one wants them to. But people have one thing– a nature, a state of being that they have inherited for millennia. It’s what sets us apart from the other animals. Don’t believe in nature over nurture? Explain why the alpha male is praised over the weak beta, while the slut is shunned over the paragon. We are separate in nature, and that’s what makes us interesting.
She’s explained above, and if you’re seriously reading all of these comments and arriving at the conclusion that women have achieved “sexual equality”, then it’s useless arguing. By way of demonstration, here are two immediately obvious examples of the imbalance between men and women when it comes to sex.
“Deep inside their gender equal hearts they know that a man who is living up to his potential is indeed promiscuous with many many women.”
“The key that can open many locks is considered to be a Master Key. The lock that can be opened by many keys is simply considered a shitty lock”
She’s explained above, and if you’re seriously reading all of these comments and arriving at the conclusion that women have achieved “sexual equality”, then it’s useless arguing. By way of demonstration, here are two immediately obvious examples of the imbalance between men and women when it comes to sex.
“Deep inside their gender equal hearts they know that a man who is living up to his potential is indeed promiscuous with many many women.”
“The key that can open many locks is considered to be a Master Key. The lock that can be opened by many keys is simply considered a shitty lock”
You talk about the IRA. Are you suggesting they were the ones who created the Republic? If not, that’s grand, but if so, you’re contradicting yourself.
On one hand, you’re not in favour of extremist attitudes, and I understand and pretty much agree with you there. Extremism can hurt. America certainly knows that, in relation to your terrorist crisis.
However, on the other hand, you’re forgetting about Nationalist civil rights leaders in Northern Ireland, who, during 1960’s and 70’s removed themselves from the IRA, known then as a Provisional IRA, who were, and this is debated, but essentially they were terrorists, regardless of their cause. But that issue, as I said, is up for debate. (Very interesting to read about, if you’re interested in the stages of the IRA, especially the H-Block Hunger Strikers vs. Thatcher controversy).
People who fought for civil rights for Catholics in Northern Ireland Such as Devlin, Hume and the McCloskeys, sought to do so through non-violent means, inspired by Luther King. They were not extreme, moreso pragmatic, educated and politically minded.
And Ireland isn’t ‘free’ of Britain. They control our top half, but very few people (just the extremists, mainly, who you simultaneously despise and admire), actually want Britain out. It’s pretty much the general consensus now that we’re okay, or at least going to be okay. Northern Irish Catholics didn’t, and don’t necessarily view being part of the Republic as ‘Freedom’. They just wanted the civil rights, and not to be subordinated on grounds of their religion.
Anyway, I’ll quit going on about it. But essentially, your idealization of the IRA is flawed. Irish sovereignty was not achieved solely by them. Often they represented extremist attitudes.
How can you be certain that I’ll insult you like that? I’m not here to take the piss out of ye all. I simply want to make my views clear, even if they aren’t accepted or taken seriously. I get it, we don’t agree, but that doesn’t mean I’m going to result to foolish name-calling and half-hearted jibes.
I’m not fighting with men, I’m not fighting against men, I’m fighting for a world in which men an women can co-exist with more ease than they do today. Where gender isn’t an issue, and it’s not used in power struggles to gain dominance over another. I want women to be taken seriously as people, who are different to men, but equally capable.
And I agree. Equality isn’t easy. I know it’ll be an ongoing battle, but hell, it’s one I’m willing to stick at, for ten or more lifetimes if I could. And that’s equality on all grounds, not just gender.
Equality is a hard-fought battle, which is why I will persist in thrashing it out with you, and other people like yourself, to get a clear understanding of where you’re coming from. I’m not out to belittle your intelligence, I’m out to just understand as many thought processes which result in inequalities. I want to know why we’re different, and to maybe, someday, ensure in even some small way that these differences aren’t dangerous towards people, be that through words or deeds.
I truly believe, simply due to the existence of gay and transgender people that gender is culturally assigned. Sure, sex is biological, and men (in general) are stronger than women. But gender, in my view, is culturally assigned. Yeah, guys are stronger, but why do we cling to that idea? And why does ‘strength’ equate to ‘masculinity’. What is masculinity, what is femininity? How have gender roles been constructed by societies, and ‘nurture’?
I’m not disregarding feminine or masculine people. I am asking, what does it mean, how can we define gender, and why do we define it as we do, and have in the past?
So, in the end, I don’t know who you are outside of this discussion, and I’m not willing to generalize you. I understand your arguments, take them on board, and use them to further rationalize my arguments and understand the presence of gender inequality.
And if you’ve read this whole thing, thank you. Sure, we’ll never agree, but I can appreciate your consistency in your views. I dig that it takes courage to stick with those views in the face of what may seem like bitchy extremism. But listen, at the heart of it, we girls just want to be okay and happy. As happy as any man, on our own terms.
Cheers!
A woman’s role is to lock down the highest alpha male seed she can attract with her looks. That’s why woman ride the cock carousel.
A man’s role is to spread his seed period.
Who’s deciding this? You? What gives you the right?
Mother nature
Women control the access to sex…not only in Humans but in most biological creatures…a Man who is successful can ‘open many locks’ because the women want his successful seed to hopefully make successful babies. Think of a Pride of lions where there is one lazy male servicing many obedient females…that is male success. Women need only stop shagging the Alpha bad-boys and instead play with the gentiles of the local computer geeks to prove this point incorrect (hint: that wont happen)
I get what you’re saying. A common misconception about feminists(in this forum) is that they have some secret agenda to overthrow and emasculate all men, which is both sad and riddiculous, when most of us simply want to have the same basic human rights as men.
“I’m not fighting with men, I’m not fighting against men, I’m fighting for a world in which men an women can co-exist with more ease than they do today. Where gender isn’t an issue, and it’s not used in power struggles to gain dominance over another” As a Norwegian, I can personally testify that this can be archieved. Women in my country have the same basic rights as men, and traditional gender roles does not exist. Contrary to what bloggers like Roosh V would like to believe, this does not all leave women single or unhappy. In fact, the pros vastly outweigh the cons.
“But gender, in my view, is culturally assigned. Yeah, guys are stronger, but why do we cling to that idea? And why does ‘strength’ equate to ‘masculinity’. What is masculinity, what is femininity? How have gender roles been constructed by societies, and ‘nurture’?” I think you make a very valid observation here. If you look at the sexual behaviour or “gender roles” in the animal kingdom or namely the Groups closest related to us, such as the apes, you will see one thing: inconsistency. So yes, traditional gender roles is 100% socially constructed.
Delighted to hear you guys in Norway aren’t struggling as much with this. Scandinavian countries are a fine example of forward thinkers, even in drama, what with Ibsen!
Keep it up. 🙂
“I want to return to my ancestor’s country and I don’t want to see it
plagued with the tramp stamps, bitchy attitudes, and disgusting
appearance that women in America oft display.”
I’m admittedly not well read in “feminist literature” but I think I grasp the general ideas. But what do tattoos, disgusting attitudes and appearances have to do with “feminism” per se? I see it as “American culture” more than anything else. If you research the history of this country and its industrial growth, advertising industry and media, the theme of the entire enterprise is “money is everything”. Of course with such a philosophical base as a nation’s foundation, you can but not get disgusting attitudes and appearances.
Also, In some other countries birth control pills are available over the counter at a cheap price but only married women use them for family planning. That’s because those countries have no dating cultures so there is no pre-marital sex or “hook up culture”.
So feminism and the pill cannot be blamed. Its “Americanism” if anything that is to be blamed.
You don’t think Americanism is growing? America is a cultural empire that has more governance than you think.
American feminism is growing in other wealthy countries. It’s only natural. The only exception to the rule appears to be Italy, surprisingly. It seemed feminism was declining in Italy, but the feminists are already waging war on them:
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304073204579171840922681228
“I get what you’re saying. A common misconception about feminists(in this
forum) is that they have some secret agenda to overthrow and emasculate
all men, which is both sad and riddiculous”
Another idiot who can be dismissed. Next….
You are a fucking imbecil and a retarded dumbshit ! Period ! It’s so unbelievable how stupid, brainwashed and ignorant you are ! Truely unbelievable ! Another american pig…
yeah, you can’t have “equality” without messing with social structure! cause heaven forbid women be given equal rights to men, that would just mess with everything! how dare you want to not have a child when you’re not ready (what men do when they’re young and walk away from a pregnancy) or have sex when you want without being a “paragon.”
Prove him wrong, smarty pants
No oppression here, just equality for every man and woman! – said no one ever.(maybe the white man aka the illuminati aka NWO aka #hashtaghashtah# this is why they tell say that your dick is small, cause stupid motherfuckers like you are easily insulted)
Fuck off retarded cunt, you are proving why no one should listen to the babble coming out of your piehole.
There cannot be equality, because all animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.
Most feminists are extremists, period.
I would have to speculate that you are what’s known as an “equity feminist”, like Christina H. Sommers, or Camille Paglia.
Your kind of feminism tends to be a bit more reasonable than Mainstream-Feminism, but you are in the vast minority, among the loads of 3rd wave feminists.
True that, especially if she’s used to 10+ beta orbiters, Feminists dont have the ability to do some introspection. She doesn’t realize that she’s hypergamous/hypocritical/narcissistic/ batshit crazy
It has to be a problem with YOU, if you dont suck her toes and bend over backwards, nothing to do with the reasons mentioned above
Eww. *hangs out tongue*
All the way back in 2008, Roosh actually covered that “must be gay” line in his catalog of hate directed at him (from both feminists and mangina trolls):
http://www.rooshv.com/11-types-of-roosh-hate
The “You must be gay” accusation is listed in the Catalog of Anti-Male Shaming Tactics: Charge of In-virility (Code Lavender)
Discussion: The target’s sexual orientation or masculinity is called into question. Examples:
• “Are you gay?”
• “I need a real man, not a sissy.”
• “You’re such a wimp.”
Insult #6 “The Exception” is also known as NAWALT (Not All Women Are Like That). Response: AWALT. Learn the standard shaming tactics so you can deflect them by their code names. Other insults: Creepy, Scary, Small Penis, Misogyny, Rapey, Cannot Get A Girlfriend, etc.
http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/the-catalog-of-anti-male-shaming-tactics/
Devil’s advocate: let’s be realistic, is there any insult that WOULD work? We know and they know that men are superior in a hell of a lot of ways. We even have male and female chess competitions, just to further my point.
So, say you were a feminist, what possible button would there be to push that would actually put men in their place? Violence? Rape? Uh… I honestly can’t think of any more possible triggers.
When women do the “you’re gay” line, that’s the time to call them out on being the real bigots. Tell them you’re totally cool with gay guys and it’s a shame she thinks it’s something negative and is filled with hate and prejudice. Flip the script.
I do this all the time……I just say…hey, wait a second….do you hate gays!!!!!! Silence follows.
No one would believe that he is gay. Gay men have a concept of basic human decency.
I got this from a girl who I DIDN’T make a pass at.She’d tell me about all the guys who tried and she shot down, so the fact I spent a couple dozen different late nights hanging with her in her apt and didn’t try made me gay (“I Just realized! You are gay”). I told her I couldn’t wrap my head around the arrogance that would allow her to get from ‘he doesn’t try to sleep with me” to “he likes cock”.
Yep, was just about to say that. Yes, to the narcissistic, slob of a woman you would HAVE to be gay to not have interest in her.
The one I hear a lot is “You’re not married!,” always from divorced or single women.
just say ‘polygamy isn’t legal in this state’ in response, with an exaggerated look of sadness on your face.
what they don’t get is that that comment is actually not an insult to a man.
on the other hand, if you’ve ever said ‘why aren’t you married’ to a girl over 25, it’s like bitchslapping her with mother nature’s battleaxe.
“bitchslapping her with mother nature’s battleaxe”
Very nice.
I just wonder, where the logic behind all this is.
Aren’t you the ones using words like “slut” or “fat ass” – clearly insulting words – in your articles? You attacked people in the first place, what is so original and creative about this? These are clear double-standards and won’t further your cause because people will stop taking you seriously if they can’t see logic and fairness behind it all.
Not saying these offensive comments are OK but you started it!!!!!!!!!!
The difference is that these insults are not impotent.
Are you denying that sexual promiscuity and obesity are problems?
I deny that using hostile language and then pointing fingers at others for reacting with hostile language will further any reasonable debate about any issues. Plus it just doesn’t make sense. I wouldn’t punch you in the face and then not expect to not be punched back and point fingers at you if you do. That just wouldn’t wash.
Further I question why hostile language is necessary in the first place.
BTW if you deem sexual promiscuity a problem, in case you didn’t notice, this blog has articles about picking up women on it as well. How can it aim to teach men to become better players and at the same time condemn women for sleeping around? Who would the players sleep with?
First point: You seem to assume that fatties hadn’t done anything to provoke our ire. Wrong. Their feminism and overall bad attitude has been “punching us in the face” for a long time. A real man would just take it and not say anything. Our striking at them is our way of showing that we won’t take their crap lying down.
Second point: You make the faulty assumption that every guy here is an aspiring player. Wrong again. Some of us are, yes, it’s true, but the rest of us are just trying to learn how to socialize better and come off as cool, since we didn’t learn it well enough growing up.
The point is generally to criticize women who are proud of being fat sluts. This site does not claim that homosexual momma’s boy virgin rapists with small penises who live in basements are better than average.
It uses insulting language for this “criticism”. “Fat” and “sluts”, you do this again. I am just confused how someone can point of finger at hostile language being used, like in this article, when they were the ones initially using hostile language.
Fat people are fat. Sluts are sluts. These are descriptions, not insults.
I call John Goodman a fat ass because his ass is fat.
If you can’t see the logic behind that I’m not much concerned about you taking me seriously. You’re likely the sort that thinks using multiple exclamation points increases seriousness.
But it’s still insulting language. It is just weird for the authors to point fingers at people for using hostile language if hostile language was being used by them in the first place. There is no logic behind this.
If you cannot differentiate a fact from an insult you are likely the sort of person who would call me a pin dick when:
a)You’ve never seen my dick
b)The subject is how to split the check
And I have no basis for engagement with you at all. You live and die by the hissy fit, mistaking the intensity of your hissy fit for the actual seriousness of the situation.
You believe there is a double standard between factual statements and unsupported accusations because you’re only metric is your own emotional response which you project onto the world.
When you are willing to stop clenching your little fists and stamping your little feet as a method of conversation, perhaps we can talk.
Hissy fit? You keep getting more personal, can’t you tell? I have been calm, just stating what I see. I don’t do name calling so apparently you were the one projecting your view of the world onto me.
I don’t feel angry, just clearly surprised at the double standard. Or maybe you really can’t see it, this is what I am trying to figure out.
BTW, the word “slut” is not a fact, it’s an insult. Call a police woman a slut and you’ll see… Call a police man a “fat ass” and he would arrest you on the spot as well I suppose.
And about the people who call you a pin dick without never having seen your dick… not saying this is a polite way of reacting but what do you expect when you sow a hostile seed?
Sow the wind and reap the whirlwind..
Plus not all reactions are that harsh. They differ greatly. What remains the same is that people were insulted by the authors on here in the first place. They started it. However people react, they were the first to reach out to people in a hostile language and I just wonder why.
Q.E.D.
Yeah I guess I did prove my point :)….
Debate in a reasonable language and people will answer to the actual content!
Keep using hostile terms and people will react with hostile language.
It is stupid to mess with the police but if your police woman slept with many men, she’s indeed a slut, that’s a fact. Just like it is a fact that a 130kg policeman is a fat ass.
If you think that calling for murder and castration is equal to calling someone fat, slutty, or ugly, then you are crazy. That’s the equivalent of curb stomping someone after they slightly bump into you.
Ok we’ll just call you obese and promiscuous. Does that make you feeeeeel better?
“Aren’t you the ones using words like “slut” or “fat ass”…” Yes, that’s done here. But consider the context. We’ve had 40 years of feminist shaming and a good 15 of a barrage of online man-hating. This site is the RESPONSE. By scolding this site, you’re like the teacher who punishes the kid who fights back, not the one who starts trouble.
I like male virgins who are that way by choice. It shows an incredibly strong character.
Talk about double standards, eh? On one hand, they yell at us for calling them sluts, then on the other hand, insult us by claiming we’re virgins.
Just shows that deep down inside they still believe that the value of men comes from his ability to attract women while the value of a woman comes from her ability to be picky and choose the right mate – otherwise neither calling a man a virgin or a woman a slut would be viewed as an insult
An awakened and enlightened person is a bigger threat to them than anyone else. It is paramount that they prevent you from teaching another man about what is really happening. They cannot let facts or reality get in the way of ideology.
Yes, the original Red Pill. In the modern world, being asleep appears more painful than ever before in human history. I think all forces in the Universe (exacerbated by mankind’s fall from Self) are conspiring to say “Awaken or Die!” How we each embody awakening is infinitely varied, and quite interesting!
If women really wanted to know the truth, they would read and cast aside their way of thinking about things and have an open mind to new information. But they don’t. Maybe because they can’t. I am starting to think their behavior and thought process has more to do with Liberalism and their brain damage (under developed amygdala) than being female, in particular (example: All liberals are not women but most women are liberals … which men are the ones who tend to be “feminist”? liberals. this is a developing theory.) If you haven’t yet tuned into the theories about R selection vs K selection at the Anonymous Conservative, you are really missing out.
Hello, i’m not entirely sure what you are saying but I have been hearing (but unfortunately not practicing) the line of “women never want to hear the truth” for many years now. It’s hard for me to act like someone else to someone, it’s hard for me to tell someone want they want to hear, and it’s hard for me to lie to women. Because of these things I find myself going on a vacation again by myself :).
Also, I believe most women are Liberals because its the party of security. Women can have all the girlllll power they want but in my experience I’ve seen most women simply want to be cared for. Damn freedom, damn liberty, and damn self reliance.
“‘…most women simply want to be cared for” – by the State, because they are Liberals. Liberals don’t think the same way other people do, they have under-developed brain parts. It’s a radical concept but read through some of the data and research published by the Anonymous Conservative. I thought it was crazy the first couple of times I read it but now I am a big believer. It explains a lot. The “manosphere” red pill is one thing, this is a whole other level of red pill. I started with the debate tactics and then got drawn into his published papers. Really good stuff: http://www.anonymousconservative.com/blog/touching-the-raw-amygdala-an-analysis-of-liberal-debate-tactics-preface/
R selection vs K selection is awesome stuff. It sure as hell explains a lot. To glad to see more references popping up.
I think we got a concern troll here in the comments. Some one who acts like they enjoy the content here but then proceeds to basically put this article and everything that happens here down.
Hahaha recognizing reality is a big part of self-improvement. The biggest problem most men have is they’ve adopted some form of feminist logic instead of living their own life. Go fuck yourself concern troll.
This was a great list of feminist insults and I’d actually love to see this topic revisited again and again.
fuck the quote messed up because I did something by mistake oh well haha
Trolls will troll. You gotta admit, though, the same topics keep coming up again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again.
The truth that really hurts, is that we are liberated, erudite men who they cannot subjugate, whom actually know women inside and out, and generally are men that advance themselves through personal challenge and the pursuit of knowledge.
I happen to like it when women call me a sexist or a misogynist. I consider myself an Early Adopter of the restored neo-traditionalist social philosophy which will replace the Enlightenment-derived mess which has disordered the optimal relationship between men and women in the last few generations.
dude you’re like 80
And as we can all see here, unlike feminists, misogynists make use of a variety of original insults, such as fat, slut, and… oh wait, there aren’t any more.
“Fat” and “slut” are facts, for example “Lena Dunham is fat.”
Unlike the female commenters here, we men don’t call for the murder or torture of our ideological opponents.
“Fat people sometimes go by ‘fatties,’ ‘fatasses’ or ‘gluttons,’ whose putrid and unsightly waistlines will taste the cleansing fires of Hell.”
“Fat people are all self-absorbed assholes.”
“Their unwashed ass-cracks hang out at every other free food stand, their cellulite is disgustingly on display in the frozen pizza aisle and their guts hang over the check-out aisle because they are too fucking lazy to self check-out.”
“In sum, fat people are evil personified.”
This is just from one single article on here…
The comments some people make about fat people in the comment section are far worse. I will not have to quote them though, I think these quotes prove my point more than enough.
Those are pretty funny, I didn’t see those….thanks for pointing those out!
Still, you’re not denying that “fat” and “slut” are facts. A fact can certainly be an insult, I’m not denying that.
Please tell me, why do female commenters call for murder and torture?
First of all, it is “some” female commenters. This is clearly not ok. But look at the example I gave you. The site clearly spreads very hostile and aggressive messages. Many comments made by men are even worse.
If this site didn’t use this type of language, it wouldn’t attract this type of language.
This is what confuses me. Why be so aggressive in the first place? And then point fingers at others for reacting in a similar fashion?
None of the comments you relayed are aggressive. They’re insulting, but not aggressive. If they were aggressive, they would be advocating violence. Read the comments. The volume of death wishes amongst the wenches far exceeds anything written here by men.
Don’t you find it disgusting that you’re giving excuses for those commenters’ desire for death and torture?
So you’re saying that calling someone fat/disgusting/ugly is equal to telling someone they should be murdered or castrated.
Almost all of the death wish comments have been posted by women and a few “male” allies. There are no articles on this or any other manosphere site that call for the murder and torture of femmies, or even people. If anything, it exposes the utter barbarity of feminists. They have shown to the world that they are uncivilized and unworthy of respect. They should be degraded, shamed, and publicly humiliated.
Almost all of the death wish comments have been posted by women and a few “male” allies. There are no articles on this or any other manosphere site that call for the murder and torture of femmies, or even people. If anything, it exposes the utter barbarity of feminists. They have shown to the world that they are uncivilized and unworthy of respect. They should be degraded, shamed, and publicly humiliated.
“femmies..or even people”. hahahahahaha you made my day
PLUS ONE THOUSAND.
Abso-freaking-lutely the most poignant comment here. A noticeable number of Femi-nihilists here promote the maiming and death of those they deem as unworthy in their eyes.
Given the chance to state their case they would rather shout insults and call for violence upon anyone who voices a notion they don’t want anyone else to hear. Civil debate is a foreign concept. You get the “talking stick” and you would rather wield it as a club.
These are the oh-so-mature people that DEMAND equal empowerment in society.
M. You are challenged to either answer Grizzly, gracefully accept that you are wrong, or prove again that proponents of feminism here do not deserve even the slightest bit of respect or acknowledgement as sentient and considerate adults.
“Female commenters”? You’re looking at about five hysterical comments and deciding all women call for murder and torture? Educate yourself.
SERIOUSLY? You think prominent feminists (in fact, prominence is barely an issue here) don’t get inundated with death threats, rape threats and vitriolic nonsense every day? What planet are you living on??
If the greatest insult you can think of is one regarding appearance, you probably ought to do some work. I’d much rather enjoy food guiltlessly than be ignorant, prejudiced and completely lacking in compassion. Those having actual meaning, an actual impact.
Feminists are more likely to be fat and slutty, many articles explained this.
While “basement dweller” or “sexless virgin” are baseless, especially since RoK promotes the exact opposite (exciting lifestyle and game).
Hey, basement dwellers like me are harmless anyway. We quietly play video games, curse our virginity and then sleep.
oh shit we’ve got a celebrity here, folks!
alice the goon’s in da house!
Daaamn! See there? That was a pretty decent insult.
Misogynists means men that “hate” women. No one hates women here. We’re *repulsed* by some behaviors, though, like overeating, sleeping with cads, and tattoos. What feminists want is no judgement at all. Look to the mainstream media and their Beta lackeys for that.
This is ironic considering the only insult you guys have for any woman you don’t like is “unfuckable”.
And that’s the only one we need….
The only asset most women have is their appearance, so its perfectly appropriate. Unfuckable is a wide category and includes things like:
tattoos
obesity
bad attitudes
bizarre hair
bizarre piercings
over 35
Justifiable.
The bit about death and torture cracks me up. I bet that if men went onto a femmie site and started saying these things, the bitches would run straight to the police to try to get us arrested for terroristic threats. Femmies are full of hate.
That is the typical result not listed above; resort to athority to punish you for disagreeing with her.
It’s amusing to note how they don’t call us “sluts” as an insult. Their subconscious knows this would be a great compliment for a man. Deep inside their gender equal hearts they know that a man who is living up to his potential is indeed promiscuous with many many women.
Why do you shame female sluts if you think men who are living up their potential were indeed “promisuous with many many women”? If your shaming was successful, it would consequently keep men from reaching their full potential.
The key that can open many locks is considered to be a Master Key. The lock that can be opened by many keys is simply considered a shitty lock
😀
A pencil sharpener that sharpens many pencils is a good pencil sharpener, but a pencil that has been sharpened by many pencil sharpeners eventually becomes useless.
Wow, don’t you see how easy that was to swap around?
But I hope you see my point here, anyone, a don’t a shit who they are can have as much sex as they fucking please and shouldn’t be shamed for what they choose to do with their bodies and, yes by that I mean both Women and men
Have a nice day! 🙂
Except it misses the point. Men desire sex far more then they desire commitment- with women it is the opposite. Women realize they derive social power from this biological disparity. A woman who being laid by lots of men demonstrates no skill or value because most dudes will bang anything with a vagina and a pulse (dating and banging are totally separate) . Meanwhile, all men wants to have sex with lots of attractive women but few manage to do it – those who can do it, are skilled, good looking, and of high value (since women clearly desire them so much)
Without a lock, a key holds no purpose.
😉
Actually, some of the commenters DO call us sluts:
“JAE LIN
I know for a fact this Article is Incorrect …. The Author is A Slut himself …. [snip of a lot of bullshit]”
There were quite a number of others, but I don’t feel like combing through all these idiots’ comments right now.
Its the hypocrisy of it all that really gets me. They say that slut-shaming is wrong, yet they turn around and do the same damn thing! And they wonder why we don’t respect their “intellects.”
“A man who is living up to his potential is indeed promiscuous with many many women.”
So very true.
They’re all subconsciously aware that a man who either has the power to, or has actually slept with many women is valuable. Because of this, they intrinsically know it is not an insult.
yes, Yes, YES!
And, those men who don’t fulfill their role and explore their promiscuous natures are much more likely to be guilty of the traits alleged above–weird, gay basement dwellers with small dicks.
I don’t think that anyone has to look “deep inside” to realize that calling a man a slut is ineffective because EVERYONE realizes that men aren’t punished or ridiculed for having a lot of sex.
I guess the closest women have to admonishing a man’s sexual drive is by calling him man-whore.
AMEN
erm, that’s because of the VERY simple fact that women need not work hard to get laid unless they are a burn victim…Men who get laid whenever they want have valuable seduction skills. Women just need to show up at an age less than 30.
Women don’t call men sluts because it’s not perceived as an insult for a man. Men having lots of sex = good/women having lots of sex = bad, shameful, disgusting. Kind of funny how you pointed out a key manifestation of gender inequality so obliviously, but it’s mostly just sad.
??? Your ‘debate’ style includes confusing sentences and name calling…a friendly heads up
Except it misses the point. Men desire sex far more than women do. Women realize they derive social power from this biological disparity. A woman who being laid by lots of men demonstrates no skill or value because most dudes will bang anything with a vagina and a pulse (dating and banging are totally separate) . Meanwhile, all men wants to have sex with lots of attractive women but few manage to do it – those who can do it, are skilled, good looking, and of high value (since women clearly desire them)
Naah, this ain’t true at all. Women are just told they don’t desire sex when really we desire it more but in secret. A woman actually demonstrates more skill BECAUSE they won’t bang just anything, they choose their partner. You kind of contradicted yourself with your thinking, check your paragraph again looking at your last sentence compared with the others.
“Meanwhile, all men wants to have sex with lots of attractive women but few manage to do it – those who can do it, are skilled, good looking, and of high value (since women clearly desire them)”
I don’t see the contradiction your referring to at all. Let me clarify. The vast majority of males in the US desire to have sex with a very high number of very attractive women (this is an evolutionary adaptation). Very few men succeed in this goal. The men who do succeed are by definition very successful. Women do not share this goal. They more strongly desire a monogamous and intimate relationship with one very high value man (again an evolutionary adaptation). Those who insist that men and women do not have key neurological and physiological differences in sexual desire can not be reasoned with since they are rejecting both empirical evidence and vast anecdotal evidence. Evolution has given the sexes a different set of biological imperatives driven by their impulse to achieve reproductive success. Feminists and their ideological allies who reject this basic fact of humanity derogatively refer to this as “biological determinism” which is a vast exaggeration. We the realists, concede that socialization and culture play a large part in how people actually behave… but it is biology that determines what people actually desire.
Choosing a partner is easy when you only have to point. There is no skill involved, therefore no respect.
Choosing a partner is easy when you only have to point. There is no skill involved, therefore no respect.
Choosing a partner is easy when you only have to point. There is no skill involved, therefore no respect.
Choosing a partner is easy when you only have to point. There is no skill involved, therefore no respect.
Choosing a partner is easy when you only have to point. There is no skill involved, therefore no respect.
Choosing a partner is easy when you only have to point. There is no skill involved, therefore no respect.
Amazingly, some people eventually leaves high school mentally and realizes that a persons value isn’t necessarily based on how many people they have(or have’nt) bedded.
Some people aspire to become professional writers, athletes or even scientists. People with tangible value which is’nt connected to their sexual history at all.
Pat yourself on the back for having lived up to your “true potential” as a man all you want,, at the end of the day you are still just a third rate blogger who managed to to piss of a bunch of people online.
So you’ve banged a lot of “sluts”(your words, not mine), but have you ever accomplished anything? what is your value? what is the point of “fat shaming”?
you have nothing to offer to anyone outside your Little pua bubble and will probably never realize this, which is just sad. Feel free to disregard me as another offended feminist, but I’m really just trying to figure out how anyone can think like you.
Roosh usually promotes a Man developing his non-sexual potential before trying to increase his sexual potential; ie working out, accomplishing goals, making something of yourself in this World…but the thing you seem to be afraid of is that the icing on the cake of male success, is the ability to sleep with many women…it’s simply biology, try not to get angry (would be like getting angry at the Summer for giving way to the Winter).
Honey, nothing you say angers or upsets me. I am morbidly curious about you people, that is all. You also seems to miss my point. You claim that a man generally will be able to lay more women as a result of his success in other areas of life, which I agree with.
My original point was that people can still be considered successful, even if they’ve had very few or zero sexual partners. People like Einstein, Picasso, Dali, just to name a few, “beta males” ,as I’m sure you would call them, has far more value than you people could ever hope for. Your ego is out of proportion in regards your archievements, which is to say, none.
Roosh V mused why no one bothered with an insult as clever as “slut” , in response to that I said people are more than just their sexuality. Thus, “slut”, “single” etc. is not the ultimate insult, despite what you think.
Actually, I think I can shed some light on this for you Leah. Einstein, Picasso, etc… are not necessarily beta males (although an argument could be made for that STRICTLY from an evolutionary biology angle) “Alpha males” as defined in this corner of the internet comes in three basic packages. Bull Alpha = non monogamous, bangs a lot of chicks, is a general stud who is strongly desired by other women and lives life on his own terms. Wolf Alpha = a man who runs a disciplined family unit in which he is the undisputed leader, and his wife his submissive and obedient partner. And Bear Alpha = a man with a mission, largely unconcerned with sexual/romantic relationships because he “doesnt have time” or they distract him from his grand goal. If you really want to understand “Red Pill” philosophy I would suggest beginning with the most basic of it’s premises. Namely, that human courtship is basically an evolutionary jousting match. The man who impregnates the most women while giving up the leas resources is an evolutionary champion (even if he is a social and cultural parasite) while the man who expends his resources caring for offspring that is not biologically his is the worst kind of loser – he has been cuckolded by a cunning female who has succeeded in extracting his financial resources while most likely searching for stud on the side. Therefore, if you want to maximize your happiness as a man (we argue) you should secure as much money as possible, bang as many beautiful women as you can, build a strong physical body, and lead your life on your own terms. A slight philosophical penchant for hedonistic nihilism. TL;DR = A key that opens many locks is a master key. A lock that opens for any many keys is just a shitty lock.
Again, I ask you, why are these people be remebered long after their death? I’ll give you a hint; it has nothing to do with their “notch count”. No one cares what kind of “Alpha” male Einstein was. It’s his Scientific theories that gives him value and influence, even today.
Also, you fail at biology. “The man who impregnates the most women while giving up the leas resources is an evolutionary champion”. As wonderful and convenient as this sounds, there is a harsh reality you haven’t taken into account: STD’s. In order for your evolutionary champion to impregnate all these women, he must have unprotected sex and sleep with many different partners, Thus maximixing the risk. HIV/AIDS is a very common death cause, esp. in African countries where people don’t have access to neccessary protection or isn’t aware of the risk.
“A key that opens many locks is a master key. A lock that opens for any many keys is just a shitty Lock.” This is just sad. Thank god not all men are as narrow minded as you. To think that people can be measured simply through what kind of “Alpha male” they are, or, if it’s woman, how attractive she is. Hedonistic nihilist or whatever you call yourself, in the end you’re just trying to justify your selfish ways with some pseudoscientific nonsense. But thank you, men like you make appreciate my “beta” boyfriend that much more and I wish you a nice day.:)
You assume first that you should wish to be remembered. If you don’t believe in any diety (i dont know if you do) then death is nothing but cold,black, oblivion. Nor did I say that I was a hedonistic nihilist only that there are traces of that kind of thinking woven in to Red Pill philosophical thought. Secondly, you know nothing about me. Third, from an evolutionary stand point if you die at 24 with 18 kids your life was a resounding success. It should be obvious that I am not endorsing this, and in any event modern contraceptives have rendered most STDs a non-issue in the developed world. As for “narrow mindedness” I would be very surprised to if you’ve ever spend any significant amount of time out of the Anglosphere. Travel to India, South America, The Middle East, or China and you will see that the amount of people who think like me (adjusted for cultural variation) vastly outnumber the people who think like you- who are thankfully confined to the Western World. And evolutionary biology is not pseudoscience lol but whatev.
My point was that all of your posts as well as this entire webpage reeks of a superiority complex the size of Nebraska, which is completely uncalled for. I believe actions and accomplishments makes the man, though not necessarily fame, it was an example.
Clamydia, HPV, syphilis just to name a few has some very interesting effects on a pregnant woman. HIV/AIDS is commonly transmitted from the mother to the child during pregnancy. In other words: as soon you are infected, all your future conquests is at greats risk and so is any potential child they might have(assuming the pregnancy is even successful). Another problem is that you can carry an infection for a long time and not even know about it. And you have know idea where all these women you sleep with have been. I’d say it’s a pretty safe bet that a woman WHO agrees to have an unprotected one night stand with you is probably not a virgin.
Last, STD is a very real risk, even in developed countries. According to several statistics there were an estimation of 20 million new causes each year in the US and the most commonly infected were Young women. You know what the two of the greatest risk factors are? unprotected sex and multiple partners. Regardless of what you want to think or believe. there is this wonderful thing called reality we simply have accept someday. Also, research is your friend.
” Travel to India, South America, The Middle East, or China and you will see that the amount of people who think like me (adjusted for cultural variation) vastly outnumber the people who think like you- who are thankfully confined to the Western World.”
Bitch, please. Most people in the real World is clueless about Red pill “Philosophy” or other pua theories. No one cares. The only one in your community WHO managed to gain some sort of notority outside pua webpages and forums is Roosh V, and the reaction from every country he has written about has been negative. To recap: you are an internet phenomenon and has managed to piss of a few people online, nothing more, nothing less. Personally, I find you very amusing.
I’ve traveled through every habitable continent on earth – and while the specific verbiage “RED PILL” is absent from these places the general philosophical principles as they are related to male female sexual relations is so ubiquitous as to be unworthy of comment. If you want the “Real World” come out on patrol sometimes in the Arghandab Valley, or take a walk through downtown Baghdad. I’m willing to bet that my experiences in the real world dwarf your own. There are hardly any attractive women past the age of 20 who are virgins in the United States lmao- and skilled high value men never have a problem getting laid.
Oh really? for someone as experienced as you, you sure sound quite foolish:
The fact that claim STD’s is a non-issue in developed countries proves how ignorant you are.
I also made a mistake in my earlier comments: Picasso was a bad example of a beta male; he was actually quite successful from an evolutionary perspective as well: he was married, had several mistresses on the side, one only 17, and 4 or 5 kids with 3 differnt women. I you’d been a little more knowledgable(or known how to use Wikipedia), you might’ve noticed my mistake and come up with a more intelligent counter argument. But nevermind, we’re all stupid, so lets stick with; people in Middle East agress with me! my traveling experience beats yours!
Also, The United States consists of 50 different states and is known for it’s diversity in the population. Unless you’ve been to every single state and seen what the women there looked like (which we both know you haven’t), you’re in no position to comment on the attractiveness of millions of women WHO happens to live in America.
Any person with two working brain cells know you can’t lump so many people together in the same category. How is the attractiveness of American women relevant to anything i’ve said earlier?
Sure, my friend, you may be as well traveled as you claim, but I smell BS. But I’m going to believe you, because as I said, we’re both stupid, and you’re no fun anymore.
“It should be obvious that I am not endorsing this, and in any event
modern contraceptives have rendered most STDs a non-issue in the
developed world.”
Do you know about HPV?
Moreover most people are not wearing condoms (vaginile or penile) during oral sex.
“The fact that claim STD’s is a non-issue in developed countries proves how ignorant you are.”
Precisely. In fact, I’ve met a number of adults past 30 who know nothing of HPV, despite some having been diagnosed with it.
I’m not arguing anything. Nor did I feel the need to respond to every inane point you made about Picasso. No I have not traveled through every state – but I have extensive military and travel experience. And yes individuals are different but its pretty easy to make fairly accurate judgements about their taste in food, music, clothing, and politics based off race,glass, gender, etc.. because there is a statistical correlation between these factors that has been empirically demonstrated. So lets not have anymore nonsense about “grouping millions of people together” – my only core point is that American women are a waste of time for high value American men. Why eat McDonalds when there is filet mignon all over the world…
I’m sorry to hear that. I found statistics that estimates 20 mio. new causes of STD’s each year in the US, where you’d assume most people had access to contraceptives or was at least aware of the risk. And I don even want to think about how bad it is in other parts of the World.
It’s hilarious how these Guys try to use “science” or “nature” to rationalize why men should sleep around and women shoulnd’t, and then conveniently ignore Things like HPV or other STD’s because it doesn’t fit into their claims.
It’s like a 5-year-old putting her fingers in her ears whenever she doesn’t want to hear something.
But you obviously don’t think critically about what you read. I could’ve told you Einstein was gay and you’d believed me. Then Again, this is just a small pua forum on the internet and you can’t know everything about everyone, so you have a point.
on the other hand; First you say, lets not have more nonsense about “grouping millions of people together” and then you continue to talk about “American women” as if they all belong to the same category. Boy, you’re going give me a stroke from the amount of irony.
No. I was very specifically making the point that you can logically make very valid generalizations about broad groups of people (i.e American Women) based on empirical data that correlates to broad statistical patterns. See: “American Women are more promiscuous than Iranian Women.” Broad generalization with thousands of exceptions – yet still very accurate in the aggregate.
And you are, per definition, lumbing millions of people into category.
Also, if this has been empirically demonstrated, could you please show what statistics you are referring to?
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I’m very curious to see some of that empirical evidence you claim to have, rather than; “I’e traveled across the World, swallowed thered red pill, my observations are accurate.”
Another factor you haven’t even considered is; according to Wikipedia, the entire population of Iran was around 75 mio an 2011, and the number of women in America was ca 178 mio in the same year. Do you realize what huge gap that is?
“American woman” is a way too weak definition to make any serious observations based on. You could take any negative attribute you wanted to dump into that pool you call “American women” and you’d find the number of people WHO possessed said attribute would be larger then the number of Iranian women WHO did, because the Iranian population doesn’t even make up for 1/2 of America’s female population.
It’s absurd how many times someone on the this page tries to use “science” back up their claims, but a the same time cannot make a coherent argument and has no references to any actual research or empirical data.
Your point about population is not wrong- but again were talking about the aggregate here and adjusting for population… “Per Capita” if you like, as percentages of the population. In this particular example, let us ask a question: “What percentage of American Women between the ages of 18-50 cheat on their boyfriends/husbands?” Then let us compare that percentage with the percentage of Iranian Women who are also unfaithful. This is due to a combination of reasons cultural ,social and legal repercussions, etc.
I’m going to address you “science” in quotations comment in general terms. The overwhelming majority of people who subscribe to the theory of evolution as the origin of life embrace it because they perceive it to be an effective vehicle for undermining religion. Paradoxically, they also embrace various humanistic “social justice” ideologies- and invariably are shocked and horrified to see evolutionary biology used as an argument for reactionary social policies. They insist that just because humans are animals doesn’t mean we should act like animals – but really if there is no God or cosmic referee then there is no objective morality. no external ethics- ethics/morality are abstractions – social constructs used to regulate people’s behavior and nothing more.
A great deal about humanity makes a lot of sense once viewed through an evolutionary lens. This explains the incessant warfare that has lasted thousands of years, etc. It also goes a long way towards explaining human mating behaviors. Cultures from different continents across vast spans of human history have astonishing similarities. Women, whether were talking about Greek City States, Feudal Europe, or Imperial China generally favor high status men (however that is reflected in their particular society) who generally are taller, wealthier, and more powerful. Because they have more resources and are more likely to be able to provide for children,etc. Men are almost universally concerned with beauty and sexual exclusivity (often a one way street) and again this provides the greatest evolutionary benefit for them as it offers their genetic material the best chance for continuous replication.
What does any of this have to do with the Red Pill? Because what mainstream society has to say about dating,romance, sex, marriage, and relationships is so completely, utterly, laughably wrong. The Red Pill is basically acknowledging and (to an extent) embracing some of the hard, bitter, truths about the human condition. The Hallmark Hollywood Rom-Com reality is what people “Want” human mating behavior to be – not what it is.
Can people rise above their baser natures to force themselves to conform to to the script? Some can. Most can’t – hence why divorce is so prevalent and the vast majority of romantic relationships end in dismal failure. The societies in which they don’t (Islamic, Indian, etc) use external pressures (cultural, social, economic, legal,etc) to coerce these people to stay together and work. More specifically, the Red Pill is about explaining to men that this current system is particularly bad for them – all feminist cries to the contrary notwithstanding.
“Your point about population is not wrong- but again were talking about the aggregate here and adjusting for population… “Per Capita” if you like, as percentages of the population. In this particular example, let us ask a question: “What percentage of American Women between the ages of 18-50 cheat on their boyfriends/husbands?”
Again, where are your references? reference to your sources is a must if you want to use empirical data and the like to back up your claims. something this entire page lacks painfully.
So lets forget “science” for a moment and look at your arguments rationally: Iran is about 98% muslims, whereas the States has a broad range of religions as well as far more atheists. Plus the hook up-culture, I believe, is virtually non existent in Iran, so yes, from a logical point of view, what you’re saying makes perfect sense, and i agree. Still 178 mio is a large number to Work with if you want to make any observations that are more than just “mostly accurate with millions of exeptions”.
“They insist that just because humans are animals doesn’t mean we should act like animals – but really if there is no God or cosmic referee then there is no objective morality. no external ethics- ethics/morality are abstractions – social constructs used to regulate people’s behavior and nothing more.” I’m not so sure about this, in fact, it could be argued that moralily/ ethics are crucial to for us in order to ensure our survival. Why? Independence is nothing more than llusion, we need others to survive. Take any western coundtry, no matter how liberal, and imagine what would happen if people weren’t taught by society to suppress their worst, most selfish impulses? If we all stopped paying taxes, disregarded all Laws and did exactly as we pleased?society would collapse in no time. Humans are a pack animal, and in order to survive as a pack, certain rules and regulations must be upheld. Goebbels is a fine example of someone WHO exploited this facet of human nature to tragic results.
As for our choice of partner, let me first say that women in Feudal Europe, Imperial China and Greek City states, did not choose whom they had sex with. I believe both genders are, on the most primitive, biological level, wired to find Young and attractive individuals most desirable, as these are strong indicators of reproductive Health. But I also think culture, individual tastes as well as options strongly effects our choice of partner. But this is a very complex discussion, which as already fallen into TL:DR territory and we’ll never reach any kind of conclusion, so I’ll just leave it here.
One thing i’d like to add; plenty of women value sexual exclusivity as well. Despite the fact that men are stereotypically viewed as more possesive and jealous, I know plenty of women WHO fall into this territory as well, and I’m sure you do too. A human being without a single jealous bone in their body is probably very, very rare, men are just more likely to react violently in jealous rage than women. Of course, this is all just my personal speculations, and not something I have any kind of “Scientific proof” of.
In the end I agree with you, the way media presents romance and sexual relations is skewed. But so is the Red pill philosophy. In fact, the name itself reeks of arrogance. By “Red Pill”, you’re referring to the pill the main character in Matrix swallows and wakes up to the real World, as if what you believe is objective reality and anyone WHO thinks otherwise is living in a dream World or on the “blue pill”, if you will.
Since we seem to agree on broad points I won’t argue the minutiae with you except yo say that yes- the Red Pill name does come from that scene and yes that is the implication. Don’t take it too literally, but in a nutshell you a correct. The blue pill “dream world” (in a strictly sexual/romantic context) is a long list of beliefs internalized by the majority of the male population in the USA that lead them to have poor success with women. Ultimately, they are “too nice” – just as men are less likely to “respect” women that put out on the first night (though those men will vehemently deny it!) so are women less likely to “respect” a man that pays for a date etc (though she will vehemently deny it) – we can agree to disagree, but I’m here to tell you that many of these Red Pill Men are NOT sexless-virgin-fat-stupid–dwelling-in-their-mom’s-basement-loser. In fact, after “learning” to act more like a dick, dressing a little better, getting in a bit more shape, developing game, and building their confidence, their success with women went through the roof. We’ll call it ancedotal evidence since I highly doubt that any truly scientific studies have been conducted. Your free to argue the ethics of it – but I, and many other – are absolutely convinced of it’s efficacy.
“but I’m here to tell you that many of these Red Pill Men are NOT sexless-virgin-fat-stupid–dwelling-in-their-mom’s-basement-loser.”
I don’t think that, not at all. In fact, on of the one of main reasons men reads “Red Pill” theories and the like is because the they want to improve themselves and their life, particularly their sex life. Focus on self-development is a very sensible goal, in fact i think it’s one of the key factors towards a better life. And no, I do not have a problem with men WHO wants to stay single and play the field either. Monogamy is not for everyone. But if you’re going to sleep around, don’t turn around and call women WHO engage in the same behaviour “sluts”. That’s just hypocrisy and plain stupid.
The Things on this page that disgusts me, I’m not sure whether it’s part of the Red pill-philosophy or not, are following:
-fat shaming. Taking Pictures of fat people and putting them online to humiliate said people. Roosh V patting himself on the back for gang-bullying an 11 year old girl. The Whole thing is pointless and unnessescarily malicious.
-you blame every problem in Western society as well as in American culture on feminism and clearly have very Little ideas what a feminist even is. We’re not all man-hating, unreasonable nazis, just like all Red pill men aren’t all pathetic basement dwellers.
-The idea that a woman has no value besides their reproductive ability and they’re some sort of sub human beings. Amazingly, women too are born with brains and the ability to think rationally. Being intelligent and educated does not necessarily mean; “fat, entitled and slutty.” Some of us wants focus on self-improvement, just like our male counterparts.
Actually, I had read that Picasso was quite promiscuous, and Dali? Yikes – but points well taken, otherwise. This writer is just a kid – he’ll either grow up or wake up after being thoroughly ravaged by a transvestite with “Sweet mystery of life” theme playing in his head, never to be the same, and we’ll see him in the next gay pride parade on main street…at least that would be par for the course for these types.
i would like to repectfuly point out all the ways what you are saying is wrong. first of all from an evolutionary stand point if you have 18 offspring but only live to 24 in a culture where it is common to live to 80 or 90 all you did is spread more crappy genes that will eventually pollute the gene pool causing people to live for less amounts of time over all. so i pose this question to you; how is that a “resounding success”?
I would just like to say that your comparison of human ‘alpha males’ to animal ‘alpha males’ is an outdated view. The world (or the human world at least) does not rely on the number of sexual partners a man has. Humanity has moved on from being defined by such animalistic desires. Instead, to continue development as a race, we require a higher number of intelligent, innovative individuals and gender plays no role at all in this. People are not defined by gender. No two people, regardless of whether they’re both male or female, are the same. Ever. The notion that men are always dominant is no longer valid, instead, we should all stop pitting these petty arguments at each other. Yes, some feminist remarks are off-hand but equally, a lot of what I’ve read on this site is too. Poor attitudes like this -from any side of the argument- are what’s holding us back. I understand that a lot of what I’ve said will probably just be instantly disregarded by a good many of you here but if I can make just one person question their opinion on this topic, putting my time and effort into writing this was worthwhile.
Since your comment was thoughtful and grounded I will reply to it. Firstly, to an extent I agree with your analysis that intelligence and innovation are now the useful traits and that physical power and aggression have become maladaptive to our current industrial society. However, I disagree that humans are just “blank slates” that are “socialized” to behave a certain way. Certainly social and cultural influences play a role – there is no denying that. However, there is mountains of empirical evidence that suggests certain physiological hard-wiring of the sexes in regards to attraction and desire. This evidence is invariably rejected by feminists because it does not conform to their world view. Of course individuals are different – but when you study history there is a tendency to begin regarding those differences as minor and largely irrelevant. When I make broad, sweeping, generalized comments about “Men” or “Women” I’m talking about the aggregate population. My comments that the feminists and manginas find so appalling is that men are driven by their evolutionary heritage to take more risks, to be more aggressive, and to achieve goals and social dominance because these are the things most likely to produce reproductive success which means impregnating as many fertile females as possible.
Women’s evolutionary heritage is different – promiscuity would never benefit them from an evolutionary sense because to be impregnated by a man who was not committed to them means potentially fending for themselves in a very vulnerable state without a protector or provider – they therefore adapted to this but selecting the most high quality males they could find… this is reflected in a term you sometimes hear around here “Alpha Fux, Beta Bux” – modern women often emulate their cavewoman ancestors by sleeping with “bad boys” and “studs” but then get a significantly less good looking but smarter and richer man to be their husband. My chief problem with modern feminism is that they seek to deny our basic evolutionary heritage and insist that it has no bearing on us. As far as this website is concerned the issue is simpler: If you get in shape and act a bit more like an asshole you will have more sex with more attractive women. This is deeply offensive to Feminists but thousands of men here – including myself can simply testify to the efficacy of it. What motive would we have to make this up? Being a nice guy who offers to buy drinks and compliments women will cause them to subconsciously lower their estimation of you – being aloof, detached, and a bit of an asshole will intrigue them and arouse them. You can insist it’s otherwise but there is plenty of anecdotal evidence here to make such denials an unnecessary waste of time.
I will respectfully point out that while human life spans have shot in to the stratosphere in the last 200 years thanks to industrial capitalism – our physiological hard-wiring has not changed at all. Having 18 kids before you die would have meant you were enormously successful 2000 years ago. I agree that today those traits have become maladaptive and we have created things like contraception in order to artificially mitigate that. In a nutshell, social organization may have changed by now but neurologically and physiologically we are designed to hunt and kill and fuck and little else.
Picasso especially was. A mistake I corrected in my later posts.
But my original point was that it’s irrelevant how many sexual partners these famous artists had, because no one cares. The reason they are recognized and valued by so many people is because of their lifework, their art.
As a regular reader on ROK, I can’t help but notice how think a man’s value can be measured solely trough his “notch Count” or “alphaness”, which both wrong and offensive towards men. I tried to point out the fallacy in such one-dimensional view, which is what started this Whole mess of a discussion.
*how they think
Just a quick aside, most wolf packs have two alphas — one male, one female. Please don’t apply your skewed visions of male dominance to the animal kingdom.
I think your getting it backwards. The men here do not pursue sexual adventure in order to achieve some kind of recognition or adulation from third parties. They desire consistent sexual gratification with a wide range of attractive women because they are true to their evolutionary nature – virtually ALL men desire to have as much sex with as many beautiful women as possible. But very few are able to do this. The few who do achieve this are lauded for their skill.
A key difference between male and females is that if a woman of average looks walks in to a bar and grabs the karaoke microphone and says “if anyone would like to fuck me in the parking lot please be out back in 5 minutes” there would be a handful of guys who walked back there. If a man tried this – no. That little thought experiment should prove the point if your being honest with yourself. It takes no skill for women to fuck a bunch of guys. ROK simply gives men extra social tools for achieving this goal. You may take issue with it’s ethics but it’s efficacy is beyond reproach.
Excuse me, but I think that you should read my posts Again, you have obviously missed the point I thought i’d pretty clear by now.
I mentioned Picasso, Einstein, etc. as an example of people with high value (on my opinion, of course) because they have talent, skill. There are plenty famous peole WHO lacks this and have absolutely no value at all, such as Miley Cirus, Paris Hilton etc.
I will recommend you, once Again, to do some actual research before speaking so freely about evolutionary biology. That is, I think it would do you good read something written by actual biologists without a specific agenda instead of a pua blogger and learn to think critically about what you read.
Last, I’m seriously begining to doubt the men on ROK, the writers more specificallly, aren’t actively trying to get recognition or attention from third parties. I think the recent drama shows quite the contruary.
I doubt he or other “Red Pill” dudes knows very much about the animal kingdom at all. I have read a greal deal of their so called “evolutionary theories”, and I have yet to see any comparisons to the animal World. They probably just used the term “Alpha male” because it sounds cool.
Anyone who has read anything about the social behavior of lions or chimps, knows that “Alpha male” is a romanticized notion, and in many cases, not a very favorable position to be in at all.
I’ll ignore you ad hominem attack on my reading lists, but you raise an interesting point. I think you are conflating “high value” for humanity with high value in a socio-sexual way. Think about it this way: Bill Gates has tremendous value for the human race, but in HS are chicks gonna be all over him or the dumb ass jock with the nice abs? We both know the answer. She is not hard-wired to be attracted someone who seems so physically and socially weak even though he would be much more likely to be successful in our modern society.
Back at the faculty there were rumors that Einstein was a serious womanizer, though he is obviously not famous for that. Dali and Picasso also slept around. If it consoles you, Erwin Schrodinger was rumored to be a “cat gentleman”..
Back at the faculty there were rumors that Einstein was a serious womanizer, though he is obviously not famous for that. Dali and Picasso also slept around. If it consoles you, Erwin Schrodinger was rumored to be a “cat gentleman”..
Back at the faculty there were rumors that Einstein was a serious womanizer, though he is obviously not famous for that. Dali and Picasso also slept around. If it consoles you, Erwin Schrodinger was rumored to be a “cat gentleman”..
Back at the faculty there were rumors that Einstein was a serious womanizer, though he is obviously not famous for that. Dali and Picasso also slept around. If it consoles you, Erwin Schrodinger was rumored to be a “cat gentleman”..
Back at the faculty there were rumors that Einstein was a serious womanizer, though he is obviously not famous for that. Dali and Picasso also slept around. If it consoles you, Erwin Schrodinger was rumored to be a “cat gentleman”..
Back at the faculty there were rumors that Einstein was a serious womanizer, though he is obviously not famous for that. Dali and Picasso also slept around. If it consoles you, Erwin Schrodinger was rumored to be a “cat gentleman”..
Back at the faculty there were rumors that Einstein was a serious womanizer, though he is obviously not famous for that. Dali and Picasso also slept around. If it consoles you, Erwin Schrodinger was rumored to be a “cat gentleman”..
But it sounds cool to call themselves Alpha Males, yanno?
a womanizer? Eistein? I doubt it. From what a read, he mas quite socially inept, some even speculated that he might have had Aspergers syndrome. Again, It’s besides the point I tried to make. I give up.
my “attack” was not “ad hominom”
We discussed several different theories about human social behavior and how biology affects the interactions between the sexes. The difference between me and you, is that all of my theories are mostly personal speculations (which I openly admit), whereas you claimed to have, in your own Words “mountains of empirical evidence” to back up your evolutionary theories, yet you cannot give me a single reference to any actual research to back up your claims. This Roosh V and other PUA’d do this a lot, so I suspect that’s where you’re getting most of your knowledge from.
On that note, it is a Waste of time to further discuss any theories about male/female interactions. Because frankly, you seem pretty brainwashed by RedPIll theories, which Means you’ve got all women completely figured and anyone WHO begs to differ is a “feminist” or “can’t handle the truth”
Well, you corrected yourself on Einstein, not Picasso. Fact is, Einstein, Picasso AND Dali are all PERFECT examples of total Alpha males, and their notch counts reflect it. All three of them got laid like rock stars, because of their alphaness.
So, your entire argument was torpedoed immediately, to me. You are only just now realizing how wrong you are, and are just plowing ahead. But the three examples that YOU picked are perfect examples of what WE are talking about.
Um, WRONG, as pointed out above by the OTHER FEMALE, Einstein had many mistresses. Got laid like a rock star.
To start: I am a fat internet feminist.
I figured i should use words your 1930’s sleeper-style accelerated brains could understand before trying something called ‘logic.’
I assume you are trying to call on the old evolutionary argument that a man is more likely to achieve genetic success with multiple partners, but clearly your grasp of evolutionary biology and developmental anthropology is as rudimentary as your grasp on the english language (you aren’t promiscuous with anything, it is a solitary verb). As society develops and hierarchical forms shift, promiscuity for the point of reproduction has become entirely obsolete. Because infant mortality rates (in developed countries like America and those in the EU) have dropped so far as to be viewed by some as negligible, the need to inseminate six or seven females is no longer a biological imperative. It instead makes more sense for a male to nurture his single (or multiple but limited) offspring in order to insure they reach adulthood without creating any social barriers between themselves and the population at large (i.e. prison or crime, debilitating accidents) and thus can become successful adults.
While there is nothing wrong with promiscuity in men or women, there isn’t some reproductive imperative that forces either to fornicate with everything that moves. It is simple pleasure-seeking behavior, which is why masturbation hasn’t been deemed as biologically irrelevant.
Okay, rant over. Enjoy your misogyny.
The guy’s argument is valid in some ways, in that most men will find it a confidence booster toward their overall ego (however i disagree with most manifestations of egocentrism); to have a third party identify them as sexually active (or even “slutty”). I have high doubts he was trying to “call on the old evolutionary argument that a man is more likely to achieve genetic success with multiple partners” because one: it was never mentioned, and two: he states promiscuous men would, in their own minds, be living up to their (presumably sexual) potential. Pleasure seeking behaviour or not, most men (whether you like it or not) will find it an ego-booster, to know that they have the ability to womanize; regardless of the opinions of others. There will be exceptions but fewer than we’d like to think.
If the evolutionary goals of a man is to spread his genes his best shot is to have as many children as possible. You can do that and also take care (nurture) a few of them, no problem as the mechanics are so simple. The fact that child mortality rates are low does not detract from the argument, you make it sound as if virtually all kids from single mothers are supposed to die before reproducing.
If the evolutionary goals of a man is to spread his genes his best shot is to have as many children as possible. You can do that and also take care (nurture) a few of them, no problem as the mechanics are so simple. The fact that child mortality rates are low does not detract from the argument, you make it sound as if virtually all kids from single mothers are supposed to die before reproducing.
If the evolutionary goals of a man is to spread his genes his best shot is to have as many children as possible. You can do that and also take care (nurture) a few of them, no problem as the mechanics are so simple. The fact that child mortality rates are low does not detract from the argument, you make it sound as if virtually all kids from single mothers are supposed to die before reproducing.
If the evolutionary goals of a man is to spread his genes his best shot is to have as many children as possible. You can do that and also take care (nurture) a few of them, no problem as the mechanics are so simple. The fact that child mortality rates are low does not detract from the argument, you make it sound as if virtually all kids from single mothers are supposed to die before reproducing.
Example; I posted on youtube a comment saying most men won’t want to marry a woman that’s slept with more than 2 men, if that. So this chick replies saying that anybody with that rule is excluded from “her” “marriage pool.” I told her most men don’t want to marry a woman that been ran through more than there are holes in swiss cheese, and she says “well clearly you’re wrong because I’m engaged.” delusional broads these days…
The fact that women who are promiscuous are considered ‘sluts’ and the men who do ‘misogynists’ (not of course counting the cheerleaders each has within their own gender i.e. ‘sexually empowered woman’ and ‘stud’) is for the very same reason; sex from women is seen as something of value whose exchange rate is most decidedly not sex from men.
Thus men who have lots of casual sex with women are seen as misogynists or as objectifying women because they have not given anything of value in return (other than sex) for something that should be valued and reciprocated with long-term financial support. One reason often men respect ‘studs; (they got something of value simply by returning the same commodity) and women on the one hand hate them (they will not return anything but sex) but also generally want them (because whatever they have that allows them to bed women be it looks, sexual prowess,social status or wealth) is something they want from men as well.
On the other hand,women who sleep around are seen as ones who do not value themselves because they are giving away something of value for ‘nothing’ in return (except sex and in our culture most likely dinner/dates/drinks etc.) Thus men may like sleeping with them (the quid pro quo being far more acceptable than long-term or life-time financial support i.e.buying the cow instead of getting the milk for free) but view them as women not worthy of valuing since they do not value themselves.On the other hand, other than a small cadre of women who see them as ‘sexually empowered’ (yet paradoxically the men they are sleeping with as objectifying misogynists), many women in fact hate sluts and slut-shame far more than men do; how can you expect the exchange rate for the sex YOU provide to be so high if it can be obtained so easily from sluts?
Don’t forget the infamous word-salads that feminists are fond of, like “shit-lord” “douche-nozzle” etc. My favorites are the ones that clearly expose their sour grapes directed at popular people (“dude-bro”), typically used by male feminists.
Also, they always have a line thats something like:
“As a purple-haired semi-cis-transgenderqueered-midget-hermaphrodite serial monogamist with tattoos who only sleeps with others in a long-term relationship, I resent the moronic misogynistic hatred from your idiotic pea-brain.”
That always annoys the shit out of me. They always leave out the minor detail that they’re a half Puerto Rican Chinese with a wooden leg.
Wat’s wit dat?
OK, we’ll in all fairness we have seen this list before in the Feminist Shaming Language list.
I see “liberal” written over every single one of those posts
Is Quantam’s avatar really Anita Sarkeesian? I wonder if his avatar on a economics website is Bernie Madoff.
If I had to pick a #8 it would have to be the: “this guy is joking” or “is this supposed to be funny?” or “this is satire” snark.
So predictable.
inside the mind of angry androgynous fatty: male castration = justice. female castration = patriarchy.
inside the mind of angry androgynous fatty: male castration = justice. female castration = patriarchy.
As a straight male feminist, this is dumbest website I’ve ever read.
As a straight male, the concept of a straight male feminist is the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard of. Just saying. If you don’t like it, don’t read it.
As a straight male, the concept of a self declared male feminist just makes me want to vomit.
As a straight male, I’m disgusted that male feminists use the mens’ public restrooms.
I like how feminists think they care about others.
I like it how they think we care what they think.
gay
Commenter Wadsworth was really onto something when he said that the preface “speaking as a man” or simply “as a man” (and varieties therein) are the calling cards of the mangina white-knight.
It’s astounding.
You read it? Awesome. Now rinse and repeat. You may find something worthwhile.
You mean, “as a feminist troll PRETENDING to be some white knight coming to support your crusade”. These common insults are EXACT what immature angry types who fly the feminist battle flag think is “real debate.”
You know it’s true, but can’t allow others to see that.
In hysterical bitch-speak:
“OMG I can’t even believe you said that, you must be like a total gay virgin basement dweller taking your small dick out on all the women who reject you, and I hope someone cuts your fucking BALLS off so there’s one less ASSHOLE NAZI RAPIST in the world!! RAAAPE!!1”
Translation:
“Not only do I lack a cogent response to what you said, but I can’t even fathom someone having a point of view other than what’s deemed acceptable by the feminist orthodoxy that I’ve slavishly adhered to from day one. Because I cannot debate you, and because I cannot allow myself to admit that there may be some validity to what you’ve said, I will simply name-call and insult you in the hopes that you’ll stop making me uncomfortable. I hope it works. It usually works when my little 6 year-old niece does it.”
Keep fighting the good fight, gents. The great wall of bullshit just may crumble in our lifetimes.
You sound extremely bitter.
Thanks for adding one to the list, Sparky.
The list of what? Incoherent stereotypical misogynists lacking a logical argument? That giant inflammatory anecdote makes you look bad to anyone with an IQ over 80. This is coming from someone who dislikes feminists.
Don’t answer that. Run along.
Let’s see…
“stereotypical misogynists”
Bravo. You’ve decided to echo the core of every tired feminist/mangina insult in existence — “you haaate women!” — thereby encapsulating Tuthmosis’ entire list in a single response. I applaud your sense of economy.
“giant inflammatory anecdote”
Only the truth can be inflammatory. Of course, you already recognize this, deep in the pit of your cupcake-filled gut — why else would you be so upset by what I wrote?
“The list of what?”
Why, that would be the list of the “7 Most Common Feminist Insults” — you know, that big article at the top of this very page you’re on.
“makes you look bad to anyone with an IQ over 80”
Well, seeing as how you’re clearly not a member of said group of people, how would you know?
Let’s see….
“Bravo. You’ve decided to echo the core of every tired feminist/mangina insult in existence — “you haaate women!” — thereby encapsulating. Tuthmosis’ entire list in a single response. I applaud your sense of economy.”
Contrary to the scope of your comprehension potential if, for example, everyone calls you ugly you might just be ugly — more specifically when someone like you displays certain characteristics (misogynism combined with stupidity combined with lack of logical support) during an incoherent childish anecdote and you get called out for being misogynistic and stupid you can’t weasel your way out of things by playing victim. Listing common insults is one thing, but writing out a make believe paragraph with everything you could possibly exaggerate just so you could “translate it” is as typical as the list idea, but cringe-worthy on top of that. Your comment was bad; stop trying to complicate things.
“Only the truth can be inflammatory.”
Objectively false. In any given situation the truth is the truth whether it is inflammatory or not.
“Of course, you already recognize this, deep in the pit of your cupcake-filled gut — why else would you be so upset by what I wrote?”
Recognize what? The fact that I’m right or the fact that I feel slightly bad because your defense curl was so sloppy? I actually recognize *both* of those things.
Once again: don’t bother replying to this. It won’t be read as I’ve disabled e-mail notifications to keep my mailbox clean from babysitting notifications when people can’t take criticism.
“Contrary to the scope of your comprehension potential if, for example, everyone calls you ugly you might just be ugly — more specifically when someone like you displays certain characteristics (misogynism combined with stupidity combined with lack of logical support) during an incoherent childish anecdote…”
Bwahahahaha!
Misogynism? What the hell is “misogynism”? You’re exactly like every other feminist I’ve seen. Just spouting a bunch of “critical theory” bullshit because you think people will take you more seriously. You guys don’t even use real words anymore, you just Dr. Seuss the motherfuckers up on the spot. lolololololol.
PRO-TIP:You don’t sound smart when you use made up words,doofus.
You know what else you did? You just engaged in the liberal Original Sin of stereotyping. You just stereotyped men, which you just criticized WWAD for doing against feminists.
Congratulations,ya fuckin’ hypocrite!
“. Listing common insults is one thing, but writing out a make believe paragraph with everything you could possibly exaggerate just so you could “translate it” is as typical as the list idea, but cringe-worthy on top of that. Your comment was bad; stop trying to complicate things.”
Wrong. Regardless of what YOU say now, that really IS what a feminist looks like.
That’s why you ran away. Cause you’re a dumb coward who has no idea what he’s talking about, and he KNOWS it.
“Once again: don’t bother replying to this. It won’t be read as I’ve disabled e-mail notifications to keep my mailbox clean from babysitting notifications when people can’t take criticism”
You’re the only one running away,Skippy. Score’s 1-Zilch,our advantage.
What I enjoy most about your attempted engaging of me is that you parrot every cliched feminist mode of attack, while completely validating everything that Tuthmosis and I have said. And you are — as your navel-gazing feminine nature dictates — brazenly unaware of this.
Not only that but your method of responding has clearly shifted in a feeble stab at mimicking the way that I write. Which demonstrates male superiority and the way that females (and the feminine-minded) often unconsciously crave acceptance within a male framework — even when they’re using said framework to bash men. See also: online femme-bots relying upon a product of male ingenuity and technological know-how — the internet — to carp about “patriarchal oppression” and how men hold society back, etc.
Oh, and extra comedy points for your repeated “don’t bother responding to me after this” bit. Please keep it up. You tickle my funny bone.
Stop projecting. Roll along or whatever a beached cetacean does.
Lol. You just got pwned by “Writer With a Dick”. Be an adult and admit it.
“Run along”?
Around here, it’s not your site to tell a man what to do.
Now get back in the kitchen and don’t fuck up the sandwiches again.
When she says “don’t bother replying”, she means “I got owned but have to run away to save face”.
Naw.
That bitterness you taste in you own mouth is from you. Self-important feminists project all their spitefulness onto others. Everybody else is wrong but them. None of the 7-most-common-feminist-insults are invented. They are easy to find here and everywhere else that childish little hate mongers feel that if they can’t have their way, they will just scream and shout and stamp their feet.
Insult #9 (because Tuth laid out #8 below): OMG, you’re such a terrible (insert label here) why do people like you exist
OR
you make me ashamed as a human being/you make me hate humanity/you’re inhuman.
2. Sexless Virgin
this is the one I love.
slut stup double standard?
Well cunt, you just insulted one with the virgin girl virgin boy double standard.
Your insult also implies that for a man, getting laid is an accomplishment; which in turn implies that woman has a commodity to offer in term of sex;
Which implies that, a woman who gives that commodity is posessing a les worthy commodity;
Which implies that your insult to men is based on the fact that sluts exist, female sexuality is only worthy when it is not on free distribution, no matter the standards, and sluts are good for being treated as sluts.
And you just proved that studs are studs and can continue to walk around shoulder back, chest out, head high.
3. Small Dick
Once again.
insulting a man for a small dick, you accept saggy titties, cave of a pussy, she’s been banged into a pussy wider than the grand canyon etc.
and since a small dick is a genetic factor, how can you insult a person for their genetic disability. That is a crime, if I know the laws right.
So in your own words, insulting someone for something they have no choice over is ok, but fat shaming, slut shaming is not?
4. “Your [sic] a Rapist!!!”
with the rape definition, I am being raped everyday in the gym by women wearing joga pants.
5. “Mommy Issues”
We see how far your mommy has loved you, poor little loveless child.
A tortured soul for which I have no pity.
Hell’s fire would not warm the coldness of your soul.
6. The Exception
Because in a bag of rotten apples, the fresh apple makes the bag worth bringing home.
The white, western, feminist women making the majority of these insults really do believe they have magic vaginas, and that we are just angry because we will never have sex with “top flight women” like themselves. The white knights and manginas who feed their monstrous egos and will do anything to sleep with them or maybe get a pat on the head are not me, or would I imagine most of the guys who post on these sites. Yet they can’t seem to get it through their thick skulls that we don’t want them sexually or any other way. Shutting up and going away is what we want, not your barley average bodies and faces.
Another sign of the times is the glaring paucity of wit.Back in the early 19th century,school boys used these kinds of insults,till they turn 12.Most of above mentioned retorts and insults have lost their sting due to their overuse and predictability.
You’d think with all the Literature Majors these feminists parade around,there would be some semblance of an Oscar Wilde or Dorothy Parker among them.
You can lead a horticulture, but you can’t make her think.
Another type I’ve seen is where the femmie writes a comment riddled with grammatical and spelling errors (and I mean loads of really dumb mistakes, not minor ones), and in it she insults you for being dumb/stupid/uneducated/not smart, etc. Most of the time it seems like they never even read the comments they’re so pissed about.
How often do you see the male readers here insulting each other for grammatical mistakes? Never!
This due to them battling the hamster. What they write/claim is in conflict with what’s happening in their vagina.
Is there a scientific study that concludes my vagina affects my grammar? I’m dying to know.
Don’t ever question a statement on this site, dumb cunt.
Rosenberg J, Tunney RJ. Human vocabulary use as display. Evolutionary Psychology. 2008;6:538–549.
Pro-Tip:
We know what the fuck we’re talking about,otherwise,we wouldn’t say it.
When you make thoughts a crime,the intelligent man tends to decide he might as well be hanged for a sheep as for a lamb.
You’re proof enough
How so?
On the feminist-lite lipstick/lifestyle sites, the favorites include:
– Creepy.
– Hater.
– Troll.
– Tea-bagger (and versions thereof).
– Mansplainer.
-Lulz!!!!!! (many versions).
A hater is someone who questions PC orthodoxy, or challenges the privilege of one of the politically-protected classes. A Troll is someone who rains on the blogress’s parade by disagreeing in an effective way that might sway others. A teabagger is, of course, a conservative. A mansplainer has introduced a factual counterargument, especially one which debunks the blogress’s politically-correct post. He must be brought to realize that the consistency and factual support are the enemies of mass-movement solidarity, groupthink, institutional intellectualism, and women’s own-group preference.
“Lulz” etc. may not seem like an insult, but it is a bugle call that summons the punkswarm. “Hey everybody – look how ridiculous this is! Pile on with the downvotes and the negging so the regular readers will be afraid to voice support because we’ll swarm them too, like a pack of sharks.”
Seriously man, why do you hate women so much?
8. Why do you hate women so much?
(because patriarchy is a super comfortable place for a man who doesn’t care about others, and when ladies with opinions, eager to fight for proper rights come along, it really scares him)
Hey lads. I’m really curious – is this satire, or are the themes presented in these articles core values ye all have?
Hey Tonya are you a slut or been a slut a core value you posses?
I think in order to be a REAL slut, you have to possess the core values of a slut. Women are tested for that kinda stuff, so I wouldn’t worry too much about. We sluts appreciate your interest though. Cheers lad!
You don’t like women? Women don’t like you either. But we’re not the ones with the problem with society in this case, you are. The feminist movement isn’t going to grind to a halt because of bunch of butt-hurt bros on the internet are complaining about it. but you are bringing more attention to misogyny and a lot of the attention this blog gets externally is extremely negative. And I bet you all love that (hey, attention is attention, right?) But I think you’re actually causing more people to become what you call “white knights” and feminists than gaining loyal followers who believe in your values. I think that’s what we call ironic.
There’s no indication of a dislike for women at all here. You are just resorting to the typical, “oh, you must hate all women” when attention is drawn to the abusive nature of egotists that hide behind “feminism”.
Women love men. Feminists love themselves.
People calling out immaturity of the “feminist” type have a problem with society? No, the whole concept of a rights awareness campaign is about a problem with the current state of society (how ironic was the projection there?)
In particular, its those who think that a campaign for gender rights is an excuse to be rude and unruly who have a problem in general. This article is right on the money.
All the negative attention is from those who think that being on the lesser side of inequity is freedom to attack anyone that questions their agenda or methods.
Sorry, you cannot excuse disrespect and arrogance (yes, read some of the feminist insults and tell us how it is not purely that) by hiding behind the badge of “victim”.
Loyal followers? The articles here may or may not create them. However, they do not create them as quickly and effectively as the typically self-righteous and hateful responses rationalized as feminist advocacy.
First of all, rude and unruly? Because the guys on this site aren’t rude and unruly? Your double standards won’t convince me of anything. I’d consider myself feminist (in the sense of belief in equal rights, not entitlement) and I love men. So, hate to break it to you that you’re wrong. I also don’t even consider myself a victim. I can’t speak for everyone but neither can you. If you’re going to make sweeping generalizations about me, I’m going to do the same to you all. And you all just seem like bitter assholes. I think that’s fair. And eye for an eye.
Rude and unruly? No one has said the responses to all the typical personal attacks by entitled feminists were not stern. However, INCONTEXT, “those who think that a campaign for gender rights is an excuse to be rude and unruly” was the comment. So. No double standard there.
Hate to break it to me that you don’t consider yourself a victim? Wrong. Your actions prove it. Your rebuttal implies that you excuse your own conduct (as well as those of other entitled feminists) as striking back for feeling attacked by the article (or this website). Well, if THAT isn’t using the “victim” card for raising a verbal fist, nothing is. You are about as wrong as it gets for pretending you aren’t hiding behind the “vicitm” card.
Can’t speak for everyone and neither can I. LOL. Pulling the “generalization” card so soon? We are talking TRENDS here not absolutes. That’s the typical fallacy that those who can’t support there claims rely on. You are a feminist when it supports you, and an individual when it doesn’t. The criticism was that critics here are typically those who hide behind the “righteousness” of a campaign for equality to flail away with verbal jibes. “Generalization” card. ROFL.
Do the same? That’s the best. This is clear proof that your agenda here is one of retaliation for perceived slights.
Typical critics mistake “equality in opportunity” as “rights to have everything regardless of merit”. You get the chance to present your case and refute your opposition in this comment section. What do you do? You squander it by thinking it’s the perfect place to dish out insults and basically be “rude and unruly” because everyone here is a “bitter asshole” in your opinion.
You get the RIGHT to post (for now at least). But you EARN respect.
You can think it’s all about “an eye for an eye”. All that proves is the vengeful nature of your agenda. This is exactly why it was said that responses like yours are what grows the loyal following of sites like this.
Keep on trying to retaliate and prove this website correct.
Just because we dislike you, your lifestyle, and your attitude doesn’t mean we “hate” all women. Stop being so self-absorbed. We love women–just the good ones, of which you clearly aren’t one.
Wanna bet? We’re taking back over. We handed over the steering wheel and you bitches drove the car into a ditch. We’re taking the keys and shoving you over into the passenger seat from whence you came.
We’ll have you angry harpies smiling and on back on sandwich duty in no time.
I like mayo on both slices of bread.
Actually, I do want to bet.
The fact that you’re here menstruating is proof.
Why, because I stumbled upon your website while trying to look up a “Lord of the Rings” movie? I don’t think that proves anything other than you share a name remarkably similar to a popular film/book franchise. But hey, I’ll level with you…I can promise your site will never be as popular as Jezebel (and I don’t even read that) and I can also promise you that this “movement” you’re a part of will never topple feminism. That is just fact. Now, you may find a girl one day that fits your standards of what a real woman should be like and I wish you all the best in your search and future with her, but women like that will never be the majority. If you kept an open mind and tried kindness and humility you might find a happiness with someone you weren’t expecting. I don’t need guys like you, I have a guy that’s perfectly masculine but also appreciates the equality in our relationship. And seriously, to each their own. I strongly believe in “live and let live” until it hurts someone else (as evident with fat-shaming week). The unkind words and hatred being tossed around on this site (honestly from all parties) is a sad excuse for an honest dialogue about gender norms and expectations. I’d be happy to have a real conversation about it but that’s obviously not an option with you because well, I’m a woman and you don’t respect my intellect.
oh wow, a period joke, so clever
Do you actually believe people who come here are loyal followers? This site is one of many. We have our differences but unlike feminists we think independently. There are no loyal followers. In ideological concepts men are cats and women are dogs.
You’re right we are bringing attention to feminism. We’re criticizing it from every angle and you’re feeling the pressure. This pressure will only increase. We’re winning the PR war and people realizing what a sham you are. For every 10 men who come here and read the articles 5 of them will research and learn the truth. That scares you but guess what? You’re not in control and you will never be.
5 out of 10, huh? You’re pulling numbers out of your ass, I’d like some proof of true converts. And feminists are not feeling the pressure, we just love to try and knock jerks down some pegs where we can–can’t help ourselves. But it’s not out of defense, it just out of the free-forum nature of the internet. We can say something, so we do. But it’s not because we’re threatened. Trust me, feminism isn’t going anywhere.
Feminism gives women a good platform and allows them this……
1. Gives completely uninteresting and unattractive people a say (at least a false belief of having a say) in a world that has pretty much dismissed them since they were young girls.
2. Allows unskilled and soft women an opportunity to earn a living without having to actually complete against men but also a lot of women as well.
3. Fills a void for not doing what normal American women are doing (getting a train ran on them in Spring break, banging a teacher/Professor, going to a beach and flirt with her best friends boyfriend,) and so on….
4. It fights not only men….but women. More accurately, women they hate for having it easy because of looks. Hooters workers, porn stars, cute girls at corporations who do nothing more than give erections to the workers. They despise this fact of nature and although they might not be able to change it, they will damn sure make it miserable for the rest of us.
5. It allows them to meet lots of other women who love to eat pussy and have, I can only imagine some pretty nasty house parties.
6. In large numbers make them feel strong enough to stand up to men who deep down they are scared shitless of and resent the males massive advantage in physicality. These women also believe that they can say or do whatever they wish to a man and he would never be as untrained to not retaliate.
7. Advances a Marxist agenda that will ultimately bring everyone down into a beaten, broke and miserable existence much like they are so used to living.
I am honestly afraid of this site, the articles in it, and the people (probably mostly men) who contribute it. Goodbye. I’ll defend myself and my rights as well as my gender in front of a real person, and make my point stay with that person.
BTW it seems like you all are substituting the word “feminist” for the word “bitch”.
Although there are some crazy chicks out there that call themselves feminists, feminism is not that. Look it up. It’s the struggle for gender equality, not some imaginary agenda that demonizes men.
Monmon (originally known as anonymous)…
Why be afraid of this site, the articles or the people, or men who contribute? Every one here is actually quite open to listening to reason. The only ones that should have any trepidation would be those who think that trolling is a substitute for discussion.
Defend your rights? You get a “right” to post real comments and counterpoints. How are your “rights” being violated here? If you are talking about your rights in general to “equality”, then how is that being violated? As I said before, “equality” advocates often mistake “rights to equal opportunity” to mean “rights to equal position”, or even “rights to automatic respect (because I don’t have to earn it).
In particular this article should be an eye-opener to the kind of people that “defend” the “rights” of feminism. That these self-appointed freedom fighters seem to think that calling for bodily harm or even death to any they see as an obstacle should put things in perspective.
“Some” crazy chicks? You don’t have to look to far to see that most of the responders here are low-self esteem egotist that hide behind feminism who think that laying down a dozen insults is somehow promoting “equal rights”.
We are all for a just society. But feminism, in MOST of it’s forms, is quickly perverted by people who think, “I’m a victim so I reserve the right to bash my way to equality”. When these types use insult after insult instead of talking about the issues, it IS an agenda to bash men.
Be an advocate reason. It will do your cause much more good than the harm these trolls do (and blame men for).
What right? What right? Why, her right not to be offended, that’s what right!
And her right to force the whole fucking world to think exactly like she has been programmed to.
You rape apologist patriarch mansplaining your misogyny! You are probably gay!
Shame is a part of social acceptance mechanisms. We want to be accepted in the group and feel shame for violating social protocol. The whole concept of shaming is actually meaningless if you have zero respect for ones shaming you. Ones who risen above feminist dogma not only unaffected by shaming tactics, we recognise it with ease and find it very amusing. Keep it up fetrolls.
This surely must be a comedy site…
Yeah, and you’re the punch line.
Ba-dum tsshhh!
Feminists resorting to insults and sarcasm is actually a tacit acceptance of their inferiority – because they know they’d be defeated in a rational, emotionally detached argument
Absolutely. The lack of logic is predictable. The level of hostility in some of the critics is fascinating. Even more is that time and time again, they are given the chance to be level headed and maintain an air of dignity. None of it is important. All these egotists that hide behind the “equality” movement are just hell bent on bashing.
The irony is that these 7 most common feminist insults are literally proven on every thread you see here.
You do realize there can’t be smoke without fire, right? Sure insults are never smart and replying to someone calling you”slut” with naming him a “prick” won’t solve anything. But the bottom line is that your world views reflect your education and upbringing. We don’t know who you are, maybe you are an internet dweller with a small dick and mommy issues or maybe you are successful and feel entitled or you just resent some types of women that rejected you in the past. Either one of these option are unflattering. Have you had 0 issues of any type you would have been fair and as objective as possible. But you are not and you are venting here and it’s just as sad as seeing pms-induced facebook statuses.
Translation—
I will state that the only options are
– small dick loser
– entitled educated or successful guy
– resentful because of past rejection or bad relationship
In this way-
I will ignore the case that it is really people that are tired of self important feminists that think no one can call out their bad behavior.
—No one makes feminists do all those stupid things but themselves. As usual, their apologists blame everyone but themselves.
I doubt there has ever been a movement without extremists. Heck, u guys are extremists! So yes there are femicunts out there but nobody has time for those who throw insults. The debate must be between men n women that left their issues aside.
Also, pms? Really? Then are u suffering from blue balls or are u naturraly buthurt?
“Butt” you didn’t acknowledge the re-“Butt”-al. So again, you tried to suggest that those who were saying that those who use feminism as an excuse to be self-serving are only doing so because some misplaced anger or problem, etc… but ignored the real reason, that people are tired of the entitlement.
PMS = Purposely Misleading Statement.
Really. What were you thinking that you had to use some typically juvenile comment? lol.
People are tired of entitlement regardlessof gender.
And sorry about the pms thing but I’m on this site so my expectations are low.
That would almost be valid if both genders had a roughly equal movement of “we want equality so I’ll excuse all the maim and kill those who disagree with me types”. The thing is that there isn’t anything like that. That’s just trying to dismiss how a lot of the “we want equality” protesters do a hell of a lot of bashing. Even if it were at the same level (which it isn’t) you can’t deflect and say, “well there’s extremism” to excuse the 7-most-common insults that is mentioned here.
Guess that’s the risk one has to take when starting a movement. The more people you engage, the more morons gather. I don’t think that the females bashing are extremists, just cunts with no arguments. But the men that made them say those things? I do believe many are extremists.
And there are men that support equality, they just don’t wanna be called feminists cause it sounds … not manly? That doesn’t mean they wouldn’t engage in a conversation about equality and support it.
“Unlike you, we can actually appreciate a well-placed insult.” / “Slutty and overweight Internet feminists aren’t known for their originality or creativity.”
Yeah, you’re really pushing the envelope with inventive and articulate insults there..
You’re such a cat lady that your name is actually “kat.” I can’t make up jokes funnier than your reality.
Nice work proving my point- in case you were wondering, this is why you’ll never be paid for your “comedy”.
I’m finding it extremely interesting that there seem to be one or two people commenting on this article who seem genuinely interested in having a debate about modern feminism. This is not the place to do that. If somebody penned an article about how all men are evil, featuring extremely offensive, discriminatory language as well as a stack of ignorant generalisations, would a regular man reading it expect to have a reasonable debate in the comments section below? No. You need a decent starting point. This is terrible, terrible writing in every sense, and it doesn’t open up a dialogue or debate about the issue, it completely closes it off.
Funnily enough, the “exception” section is an interesting point, and one which renders the entire rest of the piece (if it wasn’t so poorly written to begin with) redundant. The writer takes a handful of experiences they have had with people who identify as feminists and reached the conclusion that this is applicable to all feminists. Not so great with the critical thinking.
If you did that with any other group (e.g. I used a derogatory term about black people, now I’m getting shouted at by a few inarticulate people who are black, therefore I can make generalisations about all black people based on my experience? No no no no no) – this wouldn’t be socially acceptable.
Here’s a thought to consider- if you’re labelling women as “sluts”, a term used to degrade women for engaging in sex, and so on, what reaction do you expect? Do you expect feminists who are interested in engaging in a serious, intellectual debate to challenge you, or do you expect a knee-jerk reaction of anger and equally offensive language from people who you’ve set out a clear intention to disrespect and antagonise? I think you’re aware that your position is completely untenable, so you avoid legitimate debate and proper discussion in favour of swapping insults with people equally unsure of themselves. If you had any confidence in your knowledge of feminism/feminists and any interest in proper discussion, you wouldn’t be trying to initiate it here.
I regularly have debates with friends and acquaintances about feminism- I enjoy explaining my reasons for being a feminist and listening to alternative views/criticism. When that comes from a place of mutual respect, non-offensive language and some degree of practical understanding (or if not, a freely admitted lack of understanding), it’s something I have always experience feminists to welcome and enjoy. And I know a LOT. I’ve met a LOT. I’m willing to bet, based on these tired, lazy generalisations, that you have not.
“I think you’re aware that your position is completely untenable”
Please clarify what you believe that position to be. You seem reasonable enough to debate.
I think the position of anti-feminist is untenable, but I definitely ought to have clarified that I mean that within the context of someone who’s pro-egalitarian, or generally big on empathy (most people I suspect). In fact it’s more or less an oxymoron, going by the dictionary definitions.
__The Word is not Enough__
>>> Kat Said:
I think the position of anti-feminist is untenable, but I definitely ought to have clarified that I mean that within the context of someone who’s pro-egalitarian, or generally big on empathy (most people I suspect). In fact it’s more or less an oxymoron, going by the dictionary definitions.
>>> Answer:
This is precisely why I asked for you to clarify your definition of your opposition’s position.
Few of the protagonists here, even the ones that are outwardly harsh, are against a real egalitarian movement. The strong response exhibited is towards the abuse of such movements by those who misinterpret “equal opportunity” to automatically mean “equal respect” to the point that they excuse any hostility or willful misconduct as a necessary means to that end.
How do you expect anyone to have “empathy” for those who feel that the call to maim, physically injure or violently assault anyone who merely voices an opinion? How do you have latitude for those who use absolute illogic to defend their position, which upon being exposed will resort to childish name-calling and general immaturity?
To say that these onerous actions are excusable because one belongs to a group with a history of “oppression” is basically advocating misplaced retaliation. “My ancestry was victimized so I hold the right to be excessively forceful while everyone must be empathetic to my cause”. Right.
People will listen when one can back up their demands with real reasoning. The verbal barbs we witness from extremists hiding behind “feminism” here do way more harm than good to any real cause for equality in opportunity.
On Equality itself…
The concept of equality has to be considered with the understanding that some attribute values are inseparable from the gender.
This is clearly a fundamental oversight on the part of a lot of feminism advocates.
When feminists rally to level the playing field in some aspects, they rarely (and read that as practically never) concede that they inherently hold an advantage in others. It’s not as if some of these advantages can be practically given up either. For example, the percentage of women that can attract an appreciable number of mates worth considering merely by being well groomed and clothed far exceeds that for men. A man has to be near perfection, as well as possess the immutable trait of “average or better than average height” to even hope to get the same amount of attention as his female counterpart in Western society.
Yet, do feminists acknowledge this?
No. They ignore this disparity, and only concentrate on demanding a more equal opportunity where men generally have the upper hand. There is no acknowledgement that women can and will hold the higher card in other situations. It’s easy to play victim when you only see the situations where your team has been disadvantaged.
This doesn’t mean one can exaggerate and say that any resistance to a move for equality is promoting status quo either. Certainly, we as a society should create a more gender agnostic environment. However, it’s not be confused with using such agenda to surreptitiously create an advantage.
Equality of opportunity between the genders does not translate to the genders being equal. Aside from creating androgyny, the divergence of gender means equality of opportunity HAS to be a function of each genders strengths and weaknesses.
If the race consisted of mutually exclusive colour-blind individuals and deaf ones, we cannot advocate for grey scale signage but retain verbal only message systems. As far as the semantics, feminism is likely defined with “equality of opportunity” in mind. The irony here is always that, confronted with the OPPORTUNITY to debate the issue, most critics here choose to use the forum to hurl insult after insult. Hence, they have the equality they protest for, and achieve the lack of respect they earn.
The only thing I think you are missing (unless I overlooked it) is the admittance that it is Kat’s choice to not respect the inflammatory nature of the articles and therefore the author. And of that there is no tenable argument against. I applaud her desire to push back in a non aggressive way. This site certainly permits the ability of its antagonists to take the moral high ground within a debate and most do not, hence, the subject of this very article.
It would be, if that was what Kat had said. However, she did state, in clarification:
“I think the position of anti-feminist is untenable”
That’s wholly different from, say, “The delivery is not worthy of my reverence”.
She, or anyone else, has the choice not to respect the nature of the articles (or even the author of such articles). However, that does not translate to the position of such articles as untenable.
Desire to refute is one thing, but as it is often shown, the refutation is often not based on any real foundation. The revelation of that is generally the cause of the subject matter of this article.
The fact that the femmies here have NOT been trying to engage in an intellectual debate is rather telling. Almost all of their comments consist of childish insults, hate-speech, and bloodlust. Wouldn’t they try to take the moral high-road and dispense with the hate and death-wishes? No, of course not because much of what feminism advocates–no-fault divorce and abortion are two glaring examples–is inherently immoral.
Shocking really, that most feminists don’t elect to engage in respectful discussion in the comments section of an article branding them all fat sluts. I mean, this certainly SEEMS like the most logical place to go in order to open up an intellectual debate, and definitely not a place where people have come specifically to post ignorant vitriol about a movement they are clearly incapable of demonstrating even a minimal understanding of.
Telling indeed.
__Kat on a Hot Thin Roof__
>>>Kat Said
I’m finding it extremely interesting that there seem to be one or two people commenting on this article who seem genuinely interested in having a debate about modern feminism. This is not the place to do that. If somebody penned an article about how all men are evil, featuring extremely offensive, discriminatory language as well as a stack of ignorant generalisations, would a regular man reading it expect to have a reasonable debate in the comments section below? No. You need a decent starting point. This is terrible, terrible writing in every sense, and it doesn’t open up a dialogue or debate about the issue, it completely closes it off.
>>>Answer
As it has been nearly a day since, the offer to debate in a more friendly venue has been given, I take it that you are not interested, and will therefore address your post here.
While the flame-wars that extremists wish to start here can be distracting, any reasonable argument can be presented and subsequently reinforced or refuted. The merits of one’s position can be seen by any who actually take the time and effort to absorb them.
As far as an arena where men are vilified or at the very least belittled, we really don’t have to look too far. The general media loves to paint men out to be slack-jawed sex-obsessed beings. Beer commercials stereotype men even more than feminists think it objectifies women. Television shows like “Sex and the City” promote the concept of powerful independent and emancipated woman who treat men as mere playthings or wardrobe accoutrement. Discriminatory language against men is commonplace in current sit-coms.
Yet, amidst all of that, the amount of men retaliating with calls for “cut off their genitals!” or “die you unworthy man-haters” are practically non-existent (actually, I’d like to see any critic here point us to where that even happens at all).
So. One can excuse the lack of any reasonable counterpoint by saying the venue is too unfriendly for it, or point us to where you think this arena resides.
If you feel that offering a comment section doesn’t open up a dialogue, you need to consider that many places that are feminist-friendly do not even allow any posts that they see as questioning their biased views. Plenty of Fish Forums is one of those places. At least here, those who are critical to the views presented, have opportunity to offer opposing argument. However, they take that freedom and waste it with the usual childish name-calling and insults.
It is not this site that closes anything off. It is the critics that choose to do this.
__Major General Colonel of Truth__
>>> Kat Said:
Funnily enough, the “exception” section is an interesting point, and one which renders the entire rest of the piece (if it wasn’t so poorly written to begin with) redundant. The writer takes a handful of experiences they have had with people who identify as feminists and reached the conclusion that this is applicable to all feminists. Not so great with the critical thinking.
>>> Answer
No. The evidence is appropriate (and you really meant “invalid” or “moot”, redundancy has nothing to do with the fallacy you are attempting to reveal).
While the author uses a couple of examples to illustrate his point, he or she is not implying that these fallacies are representative of the ENTIRE nebulous group called “feminists”. However, that few moderates appear here is telling of how the feminist movement attracts far more zealots that resort to fallacious argument than not.
The provocative nature of the article may be particularly conducive to extremist responses, but it is not in any way a deterrent to having moderates voice a refutation. It may account for a higher percentage of extremism here, but it does not account for the dearth of insightful criticism. Furthermore, even the ones that pretend to be approaching from a mature point of view are almost always infused with inapt denigration.
The “exception” section is appropriately and critically thought out.
__It Ain’t in the Innate__
>>> Kat Said:
If you did that with any other group (e.g. I used a derogatory term about black people, now I’m getting shouted at by a few inarticulate people who are black, therefore I can make generalisations about all black people based on my experience? No no no no no) – this wouldn’t be socially acceptable.
>>> Answer:
While we can all agree that inflammatory comments will invite fervour, one should use simile that is a little more appropriate. One’s ethnicity is not a choice, nor is it a direct measure of the person. To denigrate a person or a group of persons based on such a trait is truly an act of bigotry.
Voluntary affiliation with a group or life style is, by definition, a personal choice. While one can immediate argue that affiliation alone (especially in a group that can and will have positive factions) is not cause for scorn, we have to recall that the disparagement here is against a PARTICULAR splinter group. That group being the “self-absorbed, hostility is my right, wishing harm on others is valid, I don’t need logical argument” crowd.
If an advocacy group had such a fundamentalist segment, that segment is wholly deserving of ridicule, and no moderate from the larger congress should feel any of it is against them. Extremists love to hide behind the masses (exhibited often with the misrepresentation of “it’s an attack against ALL women”) in order to promote their agenda.
If anyone should be dismayed at the behaviour of these extremists, it should be those that truly advocate functional equality of opportunity for all.
__Level of Success__
>>> Kat Said:
Here’s a thought to consider- if you’re labelling women as “sluts”, a term used to degrade women for engaging in sex, and so on, what reaction do you expect? Do you expect feminists who are interested in engaging in a serious, intellectual debate to challenge you, or do you expect a knee-jerk reaction of anger and equally offensive language from people who you’ve set out a clear intention to disrespect and antagonise? I think you’re aware that your position is completely untenable, so you avoid legitimate debate and proper discussion in favour of swapping insults with people equally unsure of themselves. If you had any confidence in your knowledge of feminism/feminists and any interest in proper discussion, you wouldn’t be trying to initiate it here.
>>> Answer:
We would expect everyone to react everything with the results they wished to achieve. If there were intentions to cause injury, we would expect the trite insults we witness. If there were intentions to alleviate personal angst, we would expect condemnation to rise to a level of wishing physical harm or death on the opposition. If there were intentions to discuss the underlying concepts we would see that.
None of these are mutually exclusive. However, if the response from an individual has little of the last function, to say that one has omitted it because of the need to retaliate is merely an excuse for the LACK of an ability to do so. Many protagonists here are clearly NOT avoiding legitimate debate. It is likely your position that is untenable.
There are proponents here that are confident in their foundation, and are cognizant that many critics mistake the “rights to equal opportunity” to mean “equal merit regardless of condition” or “automatic respect”. Discussion of this can be initiated anywhere. It may not be efficient in this venue, but it can still be seeded here and taken to more fertile ground.
__Freedom of Preach__
>>> Kat Said:
I regularly have debates with friends and acquaintances about feminism- I enjoy explaining my reasons for being a feminist and listening to alternative views/criticism. When that comes from a place of mutual respect, non-offensive language and some degree of practical understanding (or if not, a freely admitted lack of understanding), it’s something I have always experience feminists to welcome and enjoy. And I know a LOT. I’ve met a LOT. I’m willing to bet, based on these tired, lazy generalisations, that you have not.
>>> Answer:
Let’s be clear about one thing. Civility is expected, but “respect” is earned. Have a look at my response history. Note that while I have remained civil in spite of numerous attempts to pull me into childish flame-wars, the same courtesy has often not been offered in return. People will use every excuse to justify their rudeness, but it will never be because I have been uncivil to them.
Nonetheless, the contempt shown to me here is a reflection of those who apply it, and not me.
The 7-most-common-feminist-insults are, by virtue of the title itself, not “generalizations”. They are the observation of a trend. You can argue that these extremists who use the poor logic and ad hominem are only responding to perceived attack, and are not representative of the feminist movement. However, consider how even those who profess to be the true advocate of “feminism” still resort to hackneyed reasoning. It is more likely these zealots represent more of the misapplication of an equality movement than many care to admit.
Yeah I don’t check Disqus every day. It’s not topping my priority list.
Anyway, the fact that you denied the existence of FGM within your first few paragraphs as well as suggesting that Sex and the City is evidence of a society encouraging dominant women and weak men suggests you need a reality check. If that’s the level of intellect I’m dealing with here then no, I don’t think I will engage.
“FGM”?
No problem. If you don’t check everyday. I was hoping to get an answer on the invitation to discus in a more appropriate arena. That’s all.
__The Feline Line of Half-Truth__
>>> Kat Said:
Anyway, the fact that you denied the existence of FGM within your first few paragraphs
>>> Answer:
We have never denied the existence of FGM (Taken to mean “Female Genital Mutilation”). However, in __CONTEXT__, we stated that most men responding to misandry (whether here or other conversations) rarely escalate their response to include mutilation of genitals or killing their opposition. Extremists of the feminist ilk clearly do. To take that response to mean denying the existence of FGM is like accusing someone of denying the existence of warfare merely because they admonished the opposition for discharging 6 clips of 9mm round at a town hall hearing.
This is a wholly FALSE allegation. Nice try, but I really expected better than that from you.
__Sects and the Seedy__
>>> Kat Said:
…as well as suggesting that Sex and the City is evidence of a society encouraging dominant women and weak men suggests you need a reality check. If that’s the level of intellect I’m dealing with here then no, I don’t think I will engage.
>>> Answer:
As much as you like to feel that way, you should have a more objective view of sagas like “Sex and the City”. It, along with a host of its progeny, it totally celebrates how women are strong while alluding to how men, regardless of social status, are horny little teenagers who are powerless against the heroines (be it on an level playing field, or by their overwhelming sexual charm).
Once again, in __CONTEXT__, the show was brought up as an example (one of several) that refuted your notion that men do not face some form of systemic and negative stereotyping. The truth is that they do, and you are now trying to deflect from that refutation. While you are at it, tell us how the stereotyping in “2 Broke Girls” is not demeaning to men (especially those who are not the GQ model of the month.
Come now. This feigned indignation with the evaluation of the “You Go Girl” icons of recent television is merely an excuse to disengage. You may imply that the acumen to see the clear negative stereotypes that series like “Sex and the City” promotes is indicative of lower intellect, but that is really just the very employment of denigration you were supposed to be above. It is the smokescreen heralding a retreat. Nonetheless, I encourage you to revisit your position.
Stupid cunt got told off! Slag off slut!
And to clarify, that is not because I think my own position is untenable. I disagree with almost all of your counter arguments completely, the notable exception being that my analogy was an ill conceived one, and I don’t find your arguments convincing or based on a true conception of feminism. It is difficult to find an appropriate analogy, though, as feminism isn’t simply an ideology/stance. At its root is historical, systematic oppression. Perhaps it would have been appropriate to use homophobia as a comparison here.
Anyway, we will never agree. I suspect neither of us will gain anything from the debate other than frustration, but nonetheless I respect the fact that you presented some coherent arguments rather than calling me a fat slut. It seems a rarity on here.
__That “Thinking” Feeling__
>>> Kat Said:
And to clarify, that is not because I think my own position is untenable. I disagree with almost all of your counter arguments completely, the notable exception being that my analogy was an ill conceived one, and I don’t find your arguments convincing or based on a true conception of feminism. It is difficult to find an appropriate analogy, though, as feminism isn’t simply an ideology/stance. At its root is historical, systematic oppression. Perhaps it would have been appropriate to use homophobia as a comparison here.
>>> Answer:
You may claim you feel you position is secure, but actions betray that you realize that it is not. Why else does one have to employ disambiguation (as in suggesting your opposition “denied the existence of FGM” when that was clearly NOT the CONTEXT of the rebuttal). Please. No one uses fallacious arguments like that unless they are trying to save face. If women want to be viewed as “equals” to men, you should at the very least be “man” enough to admit when you are wrong.
You can disagree with everything we said. However, if you cannot provide a logically supported counter, you are merely applying dissonance without reason. Simply saying, “No, it’s not” is hardly a valid argument.
Furthermore, you can feel that our arguments are unconvincing. They really don’t have sway your opinion, or even be deemed adequate by you at all. The arguments only have to convince those in the audience at large who are reasonably objective.
As far as a “true conception of feminism”, that is a common retreat from those who are clinging to untenable positions. Basically, it’s relying on the notion that since one hasn’t succinctly defined their particular brand of “feminism” then no argument can be levied against them. It’s always, “That’s not exactly what I was coming from”. Come on Kat, that’s just a convenient excuse.
You say, “Feminism isn’t simply an idealogy/stance. At its root is historical, systematic oppression”. That is a nonsensical comment. OF COURSE it is an ideology spawned from an extended period of perceived lesser privilege. What “movement for equality” by a group seeks to REDUCE privileges of said group, and is NOT a reaction to long-term subjugation. You are merely employing a truism.
Is homophobia a more appropriate analogy? It’s really no different than the ethnicity simile since people can’t really help their sexual gender preference either. The issue is still that the actions of extremist groups within any “equality of opportunity” movement are generally harmful to the cause. Feminism seems to attract an inordinate amount of hostile individuals who hide behind it in order to promote their retaliatory fantasies. That is all.
__You Can’t Spell Disharmony without “Harm”__
>>> Kat Said:
Anyway, we will never agree. I suspect neither of us will gain anything from the debate other than frustration,
>>> Answer:
Whether you agree with me or not is not critical to my argument’s success.
There is actually a lot to be gained by presenting the case that misguided feminism is rarely about the real movement for “equality in opportunity”. What we witness most of the time here is more or less vengeful discord.
I am not frustrated in the least. In fact, it is quite amusing to see how often the opposition sabre-rattles to suggest an unassailable rampart, only to see how quickly that bravado crumbles into the same old false logic and fallacy filled “arguments”. Others are quick to resort name-calling and personal insults once exposed.
__Topical Storm__
>>> Kat Said:
but nonetheless I respect the fact that you presented some coherent arguments rather than calling me a fat slut. It seems a rarity on here.
>>> Answer:
I appreciate the respect. The choice to avoid denigration is rare here mainly because any attempt to spark real dialogue is practically always met with a refusal to engage likewise. Many will choose to mask their inability to argue their case based on false allegations that their opposition is “lacking intellect” or that “they don’t understand the true face of feminism”. However, when given a chance to state their case in a more civilized arena, one clings to excuses, it more likely that one realizes others see this inability too.
That’s not a personal denigration. It is your position and arguments that are faulty. Regardless, I hope you will see the folly in them.
Bang on lass, well said.
I it is worthwhile, I reckon tho’, to read these articles and get a gist of how some men have responded to the idea of female equality. Why are some men twisting the language of gender equality to make excuses for sexism?
Like when a lad this kind of mind set says – ‘BEING ACCUSED OF RAPE IS WORSE THAN BEING RAPED’. (WTF?)
We go through the questions – why does the word slut have such awful connotations? Why the rape culture? Why the dainty women with soft voices? Why this focus on money? Why does money equate to power for these men? Why, as you say, the re-branding of feminists as people who can’t form a proper insult?
Their arguments against feminism, even though they’re brutally stupid, are all laid bare for us here, and are really important when looking at the cause.
Sure, we’ll never get a half decent argument out of them without being called a fat slut or such, but why these guys are so defensive is very, very interesting.
As I’ve said before, men, on the basis of their sex, don’t bother me.
It’s the certain type of gender conventions attached to people which are fascinating.
Why the tired, lazy generalizations? Sure, they’re an irritant, but why have these men responded so harshly, what have they been exposed to? And HOW can we get them to quit RUINING ‘The Matrix’ with this Red Pill Truth bollocks?
__Fantasy Islander__
>>> Tonya Said:
Bang on lass, well said.
>>> Answer:
Lol. Sorry, but based on what was posted here, there is doubt that any objective opinion would match your generous (well, actually disingenuous) assessment.
__Equal Obfuscation__
>>> Tonya Said:
I it is worthwhile, I reckon tho’, to read these articles and get a gist of how some men have responded to the idea of female equality. Why are some men twisting the language of gender equality to make excuses for sexism?
Like when a lad this kind of mind set says – ‘BEING ACCUSED OF RAPE IS WORSE THAN BEING RAPED’. (WTF?)
>>> Answer:
The articles are not an answer to the “idea of female equality” or even the concept of “equal opportunity” for women at all. They are a response to the misandry that hides behind these ill-conceived campaigns. This is the typical misrepresentation that critics of RoK love to employ in order to justify their strong reprimands.
It is ironic that one twists the language of their opposition with this misrepresentation and projects that behaviour onto them. A lot the articles written here are based on some inconvenient truths about how the agendas to both retaliate as well as surreptitiously gain advantage lurk behind seemingly righteous moves for equality.
If these were not so, it would be difficult to explain the incredible amount of hostility in the women that respond in the comments here. The fallacious methods used to refute arguments are further proof that logical defence is not possible for the positions that critics CLAIM to hold. These methods include the usual misrepresentation, out-of-context deflections (including the one you shouted here), as well as the steady assault of insults and name-calling. One can feign a moral superiority, but is a very thin disguise. As yet, no critic has been able to provide even the slightest reasonable defence.
__Brand of Plenty__
>>> Tonya Said:
We go through the questions – why does the word slut have such awful connotations? Why the rape culture? Why the dainty women with soft voices? Why this focus on money? Why does money equate to power for these men? Why, as you say, the re-branding of feminists as people who can’t form a proper insult?
>>> Answer:
The writers of the articles here do not do that “rebranding” at all. It is the women who promote the agendas that are being exposed by RoK that are doing the perversion. Feel free to address them on this. Coming here to dismiss the plaints as nothing but sexism (and without any support for that either), is really just projecting that blame onto men. Now? Who is guilty of sexism?
__Brutish Pound__
>>> Tonya Said:
Their arguments against feminism, even though they’re brutally stupid, are all laid bare for us here, and are really important when looking at the cause.
Sure, we’ll never get a half decent argument out of them without being called a fat slut or such, but why these guys are so defensive is very, very interesting.
>>> Answer:
RoFLMAO. While one can maintain whatever opinion they wish, they remain “opinion” if there is nothing backing it up. You can call RoK’s arguments brutishly stupid all you want. However, it is interesting that no critic here has been able to dismantle a single one. All these critics do is pretend that they are too above it, and proceed to cast insults (you know, like calling the arguments here “brutishly stupid”.)
As far a “never a half decent argument”, it has been proven on many occasions here that every critic boasting that will just resort to straw man arguments, other fallacy based debate tactics and degenerate to name-calling and insulting. Why the women are so defensive (to the point of projecting that onto their opposition), is, as you say very revealing of a self-awareness of an indefensible position.
__General Retreat__
>>> Tonya Said:
As I’ve said before, men, on the basis of their sex, don’t bother me.
It’s the certain type of gender conventions attached to people which are fascinating.
Why the tired, lazy generalizations? Sure, they’re an irritant, but why have these men responded so harshly, what have they been exposed to? And HOW can we get them to quit RUINING ‘The Matrix’ with this Red Pill Truth bollocks?
>>> Answer:
Yes, the retreat to accusing others of “generalizations”. This is just a permutation of the attempt to hide behind “all women”. The criticisms you see on RoK are not against ALL women, MOST women, or even a large share of women. They are levied against those who feel so entitled with playing the victim that they feel that ANY transgression against a female past or present has to be paid in full by the entire present day male population.
This adolescent retreat to “hey, it’s not ALL women” is weak, and is really just another smokescreen in an attempt to hide a complete lack of substance to one’s argument. No one said, or implied that it was “ALL women” so get over it.
What have they been exposed to?
Well, that would be quite disingenuous again. It is obvious people are tired of the overplaying of the victim card. EVERYONE supports the concept of “equality of opportunity” for women. What isn’t supported are campaigns that hide behind this “equality” notion, but are really just movements to gain advantage without any concession, or, the retreat to calling anything and everything an assault or battery (all the while, allowing latitude to attack anything because “it’s owed to us by all the “history” of oppression).
It’s the self-absorbed arrogance of these “freedom fighters” that ruins things. Not men that are noble enough to call it like it is.
Read the comments in response to your feminist heroine. Totally owned and you say “well said”???? Talk about being in denial. Get real.
I’m amazed at how much life is in this and the “24 Signs” article. The femmies are a lunacy gold-mine! A compilation of all the death-n-torture comments posted would be great. I’d like to see the reaction of the femmies when they see their own venom plastered on the web.
All of you men and women sound like a bunch of whining babies. Grow up FFS.
Real men don’t shame women. Real men also don’t dedicate themselves to a misogyny blog. Stop giving this troll the attention he so desperately craves and just leave him to his ramblings.
Real people don’t act like it’s against all women. This isn’t a misogyny blog, only feminist trolls say it is. It’s stupid feminists that have the problem, not all women. Keep trolling. It’s the best way to show why stupid feminists are worth laughing at.
And who made you emperor to decide what „real men” must do?
Real decent human beings notice that modern women are toxic and are increasingly intoxicated with a particular flavor of bullshit – feminist bullshit.
To be honest men are “not” supposed to sleep around with women he is not married to.The bible clearly states this,if anyone sleeps with someone they are not married to its called sin.
No,in a sinful world like this one,a man who sleeps around is with value.
Idiots all of you..
The reason you do sleep around is to reproduce…..get it?
See this is why misogyny and misandry are such horrible conditions.
It causes people to harbor such deep and hatered just because of that persons gender.
Men:I hate her because she cant cook.
women:I hate him because he doesn’t have a job.
Its sad really,it really is sad.
Im so glad that I and many other people I know don’t harbor such hate for a gender.
If someone does something to you,you are not supposed to hate them and their gender.
You are supposed to dislike that person’s actions and pray that they change.
People today forget god and they forget the reason they were put here.
They are so busy envolving themselves in what the devil says is fun that they forget they are destroying their very own souls.
People of today are selfish lovers or pleasure and money.
They see no self-worth in themselves.
They see no value in doing the right thing in their lives.
Both men and women have become vial digusting creatures in the eyes of the lord.
Sex is a mean of reproduction and bonding a man and woman in loving spirit.
Now sex is done merely for pleasure only and children and mistakes.
People of today are so ignorant…
People here are ignorant.
Sex is meant to make babies,it doesn’t build status and make anyone important.
It makes them worthless in the eyes of the lord.
Satan wants people to believe that having sex with a lot of people will make you a somebody but in reality it makes you filthy low-lives.
I know you al her are so wrapped up in the sinful way of the world that you will see what im saying as boring or super boring.
Go and have your sinful fun but when god takes rulership of his world again.Your sorry souls will be the ones that will be destroyed.
Your lives will be tons better if you just disconnect yourself with this sinful world,pick up a bible and live your life the way the lord wants you to.
Serving and pleasing god will make your life worth more than billions or trillions worth of gold.
Having a clean and pure soul is literally something everything should see as cool.
Men have a role and women have one.
Men have stopped doing their role and just sleeps around witn no conscience of himself or god.Or what sex is even meant for.
Women sleep around with no conscience and the same way.
Everyone here proclaiming men and women are to blame.
Pointing the fingers at eachother.
Men repressing women for this own needs.
Women repressing men for this own needs.
That is not how god wants men and women to act.
Its how the devil wants you to act because its something shameful in the eyes of the lord.
People who can harbor deep and do not control their urge for sex are satans children.
People who can forgive and dislike a person’s actions,the ones who pray that person will get better.The ones who can control themselves and no give in to sin just because their body wants it.Ones who walk away from sin and think of what the lord would think of them if they did this or that.The one who see that being cool is being sinful.Now these people have way more worth.
However if you believe having sex with a lot of people is cool by all means go forth and serve Satan.
Its your choice afterall.
get lost, you lunatic.
get lost, you lunatic.
The bible says? So what?
No reasonable human being would give a flying fuck about your bible, really.
Oh by the way.
Your also very wrong about women too.
They are to sleep around too because guess what.
In order for a women to become pregnant she has to have sex with men,so if she has sex with a man.
She is sleeping around.
So your saying if women were not meant to sleep around how would they get pregnant?
Who are the men having sex with?
So you saying that men have sex with women…with women..
That means they are having sex with women.
So both are sleeping with eachother.
In the sense,it all does not make sense to say that women cant sleep around with many men.
If what you say is true.
If women did not sleep around than that would mean men would not be having sex with women..correct?
If women were not meant to have sex at all,then why do they have sexual urges and have the ability to orgasm?
If women stopped having sex al together,then men would have no one to have sex with.
So that means….
Both men and women were meant to sleep around.
If a man has sex with a woman and she is pregnant.She has one baby.
He keeps having sex and getting women pregnant.
So that mean if she has sex again she is pregnant again.Has another baby.
She keeps having babies.
LMOA!
This world world is just one big ugly mess XD
Get lost, troll. what a pointless post yours is. This thread is about the stupidity of feminist insults. Your rambling nonsense is more proof of it. LOL.
No logic. No dice. Standard Feminist troll crap. Lol.
I don’t understand why a girl who slept with several men is a slut and a boy who slept with several women is a winner.
Typically smug but stupid challenge from a feminist troll. The differences between men’s and women’s sexual response should give you a clue as to why the world views the behaviors differently. The genders do not function the same way in procreation. You know that but are conveniently ignoring it.
Act like you don’t “understand” all you want. You are just trolling be because you know you are wrong. Yesterday, today and everyday you troll here.
I wouldn’t quite say these insults are limited to just feminists. Sure, you’re gonna get responses like this from feminists because that’s the target demographic you’re looking to piss off, but from a logical standpoint these are the kind of comebacks that have become prevalent in Internet society from all walks of life. The very supposed basement dwellers with mommy issues would definitely retaliate with almost the exact same insults (pronouns modified obviously!) if they were targeted specifically like women are on this website. That’s just how our society is these days! The art of witty comebacks in America has devolved into a.) threats of physical violence and b.) comparing one’s target to the lowest of the low, aka basement dweller rapists with mommy issues. Not a feminist thing, just a person raised in a technology era thing! The internet is everywhere and that kind of free creative space for lease demonstrates how truly idiotic and un-unique everyone in the world is these days.
“I wouldn’t quite say these insults are limited to just feminists.”
That’s great, but nobody here has said that. It was merely stated that feminists tend to use a small number of insults repeatedly (and predictably), not that they were the only people on the planet to utilize those insults.
And, for the record, you’ll note that ROK’s users are not actually reacting to the targeting they receive in the manner you’ve predicted. Check out Tuth’s twitter right now and watch how he is engaging the waves of critics threatening to castrate/assault/kill/sue him. He’s not using any of the attacks mentioned above.
Number 4… *You’re
If you are going to insult women, at least use the proper grammar. Otherwise you are just showing your complete lack of education.
Sincerely
“I will look for you, I will find you, and I will kill you.”
Roosh_V
now on my hitlist
you’re basically this guy, also on my hitlist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnQI0DWbCUo
it’s really cute to see men trying so hard to find their place in the world through irrefutably dying traditions of ideology.
A real man knows how to treat a woman with respect. you may not agree with or are attracted to a specific kind of female either fat, slutty, bitchy or, oooooOOooo “feminist”
a woman brought you into this world, if you respect your mother,
you should respect all women
hating women on the internet is fun for you, I get it, it’s a place that makes you feel safe, comfortable and cozy because someone else agrees with you.
if you hate women so much, why don’t you just go out and murder all these fat feminists? it’d be a much bolder, manlier way to approach your cause. At least you’d have conviction in your thoughts, don’t torture someone on the internet until they commit suicide, that’s weak. very weak.
might as well have the blood on your hands,
can you stand that guilt?
Nice death threat, feminist.
Dude, its people like this poster that is wrong with society. What’s with all this slut-shaming? Truth is, women like sex just as much as men. However, women are more scared to have casual sex because of the fear of being labeled a “slut”. If we all just stopped this nonsense, women would have sex more, men would have sex more, and everyone would happier.
I am replying to this once. Why is everyone actually giving him the attention he wants? He is another Katie Hopkins, says anything to shock and get a reaction. Don’t feed the troll!
Do you even know what feminism means? Go look up a dictionary. But evidently, you’re a little too uneducated for that, so I’ve done it for you.
Feminist: a person who advocates for social, political, and economic rights of women, equal to those of men.
But evidently, you’re also too much of a misogynist and a blind, egocentric idiot to even think about it, so I oughtn’t bother.
Everyone here knows what the dictionary has to say about feminism.
We also regularly read the work of modern feminists and engage directly in discourse with them. This leads us to the conclusion that there are many brands of “feminism” out there, and many are far from benign. Some (most, actually) are downright hostile to men.
This is why anti-feminism is such a large (and growing) trend.
How are these only secluded to feminist insults? Anyone and eveyrone fucking uses these insults.
…especially feminist commenters on this site.
QED.
How are these only secluded to feminist insults? Anyone and eveyrone fucking uses these insults.
How are these only secluded to feminist insults? Anyone and eveyrone fucking uses these insults.
How are these only secluded to feminist insults? Anyone and eveyrone fucking uses these insults.
You forgot “fedora-wearing redditor”. Or anything else mentioning fedoras or Reddit, really.
You forgot “fedora-wearing redditor”. Or anything else mentioning fedoras or Reddit, really.
your writing sucks
I don’t think Ive ever read anything more stupid, pathetic, childish and ignorant as this. This website on a whole is so…twisted…it becomes a sad joke, a pitiful joke.
What’s it like to have a fractional IQ?
#4 … its you’re not your…. how did this guy become an author on this website…
This post really is beyond repulsive. I seriously don’t understand how someone could write such a chauvinist article. I am not a feminist myself, but that someone was this blatantly ignorant about gender roles really wasn’t on the charts for me before I encountered this. He must be intentionally provocative to get readers, as I simply can’t see another option as a person this utterly stupid and ignorant just can’t exist.
* author writes about insults and threats he receives
* commenter decries use of insults and threats
* commenter blames author
Huh? Victim blaming much?
duuuude i think you have been misinformed. feminism is the belief that women are equal to men, not above men… so when you make a sexist comment, and someone says ‘woah you clearly are a virginal, small dicked, hermit with mommy issues’ it is very rude to assume the person to be a feminist simply because of that comment. it is not accurate- that’s probably just a regular person that you insulted with your overt misogyny. you seem really concerned by how women can do better at being women, why don’t you take some time off work, go on vacation, and do some soul searching because it is clear you could benefit from some self-growth.
Riddle me this — why do so many feminists use these insults, brainiac?
‘feminism is the belief that women are equal to men, not above men’ Cool belief bro. Shame evidence doesn’t bare that out.
is this an actual post? is this an actual thing? i can’t even believe this bullshit. we’re all HUMANS and we’re all trying to survive, we don’t have the rights that we deserve and we get treated like crap daily. why is this an okay thing? why with the internet allowing us to communicate and come together do we instead waste our time writing articles like this to demean people? i hope to never meet any of you in real life but the fact that i have met you through here has violated my hope for humanity. we will never progress. we will decay in time. we will kill each other over nothing and we will die from that same nothing. congratulations, you are the death of us.
Ummm, he’s writing about insults that he *receives*.
Try repeating 6th grade English.
‘is this an actual post? is this an actual thing?’ Cease murdering the English language post haste.
Apparently a little kid.
Okay, whoever made this website and takes part in creating these articles needs to fucking kills themselves already, but not before getting the shit beat out of them while being demanded they say how they became so fucked in the head. Did their uncle touch them a little too much? Daddy not give them enough hugs? Butt hurt they can’t get a girlfriend? Fuck. I’m not even a girl. This is so god damn stupid I can’t tell if this site is fake or not.
Let me reinterpret this article. And I will apologize in advance for my lack of humour.
1. Judging by the number of hate-filled blog posts you have made towards women, it’s hard to see how else you could spend your time. It’s easy to be bold behind a computer. I don’t say anything online that I would not say to somebody face to face.
2. Whether or not you have sex is nobody’s business but yours. Nobody gives a shit, so get over yourself and have fun having shitty, one-sided sex with “whores” who probably haven’t even given consent in the first place.
3. Just an FYI, the size of a man’s penis is not the be-all-and-the-end-all. Also, Penis envy doesn’t exist. Freud was a wackjob, and from the sounds of it, you are too which is probably why you’re holding on to incredibly stupid, unsupported and misogynist views.
4. If you have no respect for women, which you very clearly do not, you will more likely not give a shit about their wishes or well-being. Which are traits of many rapists. The truth hurts!
5. You clearly did not have somebody to fill a mother role for you, otherwise you would have been raised with a grain of respect for all others, not just women. No mother would be proud to say she raised an ignorant son like you, and she would most likely make every attempt to teach you.
6. The exception? Please. It’s great how you’re so quick to call people out for being “sluts,” meanwhile you’re probably the one drooling after her at a party or at the club. What you do is your business, but there is no need to post hateful things for no reason. Everybody else’s sex lives are not YOUR business. So butt out.
7. Not everybody wishes harm on another just because their views are different, cause frankly, that’s just stupid. What I do wish for you, however, is to get educated and learn to respect others. You’re only harming yourself in the long run.
ALSO, just an FYI, promiscuity is a natural human state. Humans were not by nature monogamous, so technically speaking, you’re a big slut too.
Tuthmosis, I’m not going to tell you that your dick is small or that you live under a bridge or whatever. But you’re always talking about how sluts have daddy issues. How is that any different from these women telling you that your supposed disrespect for women implies that you have mommy issues? If you’re going to “dish it out” so to speak, you should also be willing to take it. I think this applies to most if not all of the criticisms against you. Having said that, I find it weird that you simplify both sexes (and not just women) to such a weird Katherine Heigl movie type of character. The world is not a romantic comedy and even gender stereotypes cannot not be that distorted.
What I find interesting about you sir, Roosh_V, is that you consider yourself quite the expert about ladies. When really what I think is that you are probably by no means a sexless virgin, may have a small dick or not (don’t know and really don’t care to find out), but truthfully are just WILDLY unsuccessful with women. Now yes, you may have dated women (maybe even landed a few that you feel are “worthy” of all your self-opinionated glory). But I have a suspicion, based on all this talk and proclamation of yours, that really you’ve spent most of your life striving to impress women and never quite accomplishing it. And this failing over time has caused you to develop your own insecurities and inferiority complex which has resulted in your need to tear down women as a whole. Now, I have a truly genuine series of questions for you: Since creating this blog series how has it affected your romantic life? Are you honest about this blog to the women you are interested in? When they read your work what is their reaction? Do these women still want to sleep with you after reading your work? And can you give me the names and emails of five of these woman so I can hear the truth about what they thought without your editing? THANKS!
tl;dr:
Angry, bitter woman hates that her go-to insults have been preempted. Tries to create new insults but falls on her face. Then begins to go psycho, demanding contact information for women Roosh has dated.
Aweee how cute! A guy, not even brave enough to have a profile with a picture, is trying to prove to me he’s a “man” and put me in my place by using the tired and overused “bitter” and “psycho” insults!
Yeah, doesn’t it suck that you actually have to confront an argument, instead of just insulting a photo?
Thinking is such hard work, right, Cathy?
And, yes, asking for personal contact information of a man’s ex-girlfriends and fuck-buddies is crazy, bunny-boiler territory 🙁
Yeah, thinking can be hard work! So I guess I won’t be turning to any of you for tips on how to do it successfully.
Why would we be honest with women about our methods for seducing them which work?
The proof that this works is when a woman jumps into bed with you and rips your clothes off.
So, what kind of men do you sleep with? A mangina drone, who has to function as a sperm dispenser for women like you, as one of his roles in his life???
Actually, #6, “The Exception,” is a logically valid response to most of these articles. Why? Becaus you guys write things like “ALL Girls X” and “EVERY Woman Really Wants Y.” When you make totality claims like that, even ONE exception proves you wrong. Fundamental rules of logic right there. If you argue “All X,” and I can show “One Not X,” your “All X” claim is proven invalid.
However, one must consider that the spirit of most assertions (note how it wasn’t couched as “all assertions”, lol) is that it is applicable to the greater share, if not functionally a fair representation of the population at large, of a group.
If one is taking, any postulate to mean “in whole and without exception” without the explicit disclaimer of “this is true in most cases, but your results may vary”, it is merely a surreptitious argument based on semantics.
It is clearly implied in most discussion that phenomena that are near ubiquity can be described with a generalization. It is like dismissing the statement that “fish are found living in bodies of water” merely because Protopterus spends time outside of it. In general, the rule is applicable. There can be exceptions, but those exceptions are merely minor caveats to a majority rule.
Smug arguments like, “one exception negates a rule, since the rule was couched as -ALL-“, are really just a deflection. Is this not taught this in logical systems these days?
You start your argument with “Slutty and overweight Internet feminists aren’t known for their originality or creativity.”
YET your first point in your list of 7 is “One way to feel better about someone attacking you is to hope and pray they’re unsuccessful, marginalized ciphers.” FUNNY coming from a guy who thinks every feminist must be obese. hypocrite much?
Anyone who disagrees with your misogyny are “sluts and feminists with daddy issues”. this is your reaction to a woman with self respect who doesn’t want to be treated like shit. Yet you complain and compile lists because someone accused you of living in your moms basement and accused you of having a small dick. THE HORROR! this article proves nothing other than its clearly you who has the “deep seated psychological problems”.
I hate to degrade vaginas to your level, because they’re wonderful, but you, tuthmosis are a huge PUSSY. Thank you for writing these articles so i can identify which boys (not men, because you are NOT a man) to stay away from. if being a feminist is so absolutely terrifying and repelling to boys like you, then I’m more convinced than ever to continue on with my feminism. THANK YOU for giving me more reasons.
Dude. You’re a dick.
“Kat” is a “pussy”. xD
No amount of “originality” or “creativity” will mask or make up for the fact that you are being cruel for the sake of being cruel.
In reality, a male who has multiple suitors simply for sex is the antithesis of what game is all about–securing a female for Christian marriage.
Genuinely entertaining. Thank you very much.
You are impressively inconsistent. In this article, you accuse ‘feminists’ of using the hackneyed insult of ‘“Mommy Issues”’. Yet in your article ’24 Signs She’s a Slut’ from September (only a month previously), you posit that ‘”Daddy issues” are classic, but accurate predictors of her relationship to men and sex.’ I could itemise every ridiculous statement in your articles but I sense it’s a waste of time, and that your bigotry and misogyny won’t be reasoned with.
Anyway, I’m just a woman, so why would you listen?
It is not inconsistent.
Where you err is in conveniently forgetting that “Mommy Issues” are the detected behavior that forms one of the 24-signs to determine the “slut” status of a subject. In contrast to this, the -CONTEXT- of how “Daddy Issues” are brought up as a -reason- for dismissing an article (by suggesting a bias due to a characteristic of the author). As such, the “Daddy Issue” is unsubstantiated, and therefore merely a conjured excuse.
You -could- itemize every statement you deem as “ridiculous”, however, it is more likely that you -cannot- do it because such accusation would be proven false. Just like this incorrect assertion about “inconsistency”, you would look foolish.
It is not that you are a woman that your argument is ignored. It is because your counterpoint is based on fallacy.
Nice attempt, but, it was rather easy to debunk.
You say that feminists are unoriginal yet your post about how to tell if a girl is a slut are full with unoriginality such as if a woman has sex, tattoos, piercings she’s a slut.
Really? The 24-signs list is “unoriginal”? Can you show us all where you have seen such a compilation before?
If you cannot, it is likely that your assertion of it being “unoriginal” is merely yet another failed attempt at ironic justice.
I don’t even know where to begin…
First, I should clarify the true definition of feminism: “the advocacy of women’s rights on the ground of the equality of the sexes.” So while there are extreme feminists who do not focus on the true goal of feminism, there are extremists of every social, political, or religious group. Grouping all feminists together with extreme feminists would be comparable to calling every Muslim a terrorist because of Al-Qaeda. True feminists are fighting a battle that should not have to be fought. We want social equality… that’s it.
Second, the reason feminism exists is to fight for equality with a gender who has never faced systematic oppression. In the history of the world. Ever. Never ever ever. As a man, I’m sure it’s extremely easy to brush off the hardships that women still face in today’s society, because it’s not always easy to put yourself in their shoes. But in a still prominently patriarchal society, women are quite simply not equal. A perfect example of this extant inequality is your entire collection of articles. Now please understand that I’m not trying to pick a fight or belittle your beliefs, I’m just trying to make you understand that you need to fully educate yourself before you publish such slandering and degrading articles. Although it is the internet and you have the freedom to state your opinions, these opinions not only offend an entire gender, but perpetrate the culture that is behind things such as gender-based assault, rape (yes, I said the word rape, but I do not have “Rape Tourette’s”), and discrimination.
I am in no way attempting to belittle the fact that men face assault, rape, and discrimination. Of course men do, all of these things are a part of life. The main difference between female gender-based crimes and male gender-based crimes is the reaction to them. While society is beginning to become more educated on these matters (I’m afraid that you are not a member of this developing society, sorry!), it is still a prominent problem women face today. There are issues such as victim-blaming, which is the theory that a victim of a sexual assault is to blame for the attack based on her appearance, state of intoxication, or simply by being a woman. In the case of rape, absolutely no one asks for it… which is why it is called a rape. Your idea of the women who call rape, as if they suffer from “Rape Tourette’s”, is a perfect example of why rape culture is still around. Men like you, who discredit sexual assault victims, are prime examples of why so many people who commit crimes of a sexual nature never face prosecution–because so many women live in fear of being scorned for speaking out about their rape.
And while we’re on your favourite topic of rape, let’s remember that about 237, 868 sexual assaults occur in the United States every year. In 2003, 9 out of every 10 rape victims were women. And do you want to know why? Because men like you and the readers who agree with your position perpetrate rape culture. Now, do not mistake me for implying that you’re rapists. I couldn’t possibly know that. But by calling girls “sluts”, and shaming them for it, you’re making it possible for men to get away with rape. By creating “slut culture”, our society is one that scorns women for being sexually liberated. Just because a girl enjoys sex does not make her slutty by any means. It makes her a fucking human, because she has a sex organ that is biologically designated to feel pleasure while stimulated, you ignorant ass. The only reason slut culture exists is because of the centuries of female oppression that we are only starting to truly shake off in this generation. The fact that women are apparently supposed to at least appear to be innocent and virgin-like is so obscenely outdated and ridiculous. I can’t believe this isn’t obvious to you.
Anyways, it is true that your gender is the sexually dominant one… due to those centuries of female oppression. On average–biologically speaking–men are physically stronger than women. This means that violence can be used against women to force sexual contact, even when unwanted by a woman. This is why rape is a big fucking deal, and not some dust that should be swept under the rug (despite what you believe). By belittling the very serious trauma that rape victims face, you are basically implying that you don’t give a shit if women are sexually abused, as long as they keep quiet about it. And as for trigger warnings online… you clearly have never experienced a traumatic situation in which trigger warnings could set you off. You are a very lucky man, in that case. But please remember that not everyone is as fortunate as you.
If your articles had any educational, factional, or RATIONAL arguments, I would state my case on a small scale and be done with it. But frankly, you just sound like an ignorant asshole. Like c’mon, pairing a woman’s weight with her worth? Implying that her physical appearance means she’s disgusting? Bubba, it’s 2013, get the fuck over yourself and grow up. You do realize that some people might not find you physically attractive, right? That doesn’t mean they have any right dictating your worth as a human being. Your worth as a human being should be dictated by the way you treat others, and boy, let me tell you, I think you’re pretty lousy on that scale.
So while I also disagree with both the men and women who are attacking you online and sinking to your level of insolence, I cannot keep quiet about your articles. Especially this one. The reason feminism is still alive today is because of men like you. You have gotten all warm and cozy in your bed of patriarchy, and you like it that way. Women do not want to be superior to you. They do not want to all become hairy lesbians that take over the world and kill off every man and eat their brains. Whatever stereotype you and your regular readers have created about feminists, try to become more educated. Please. Seeing as you were conceived in a woman’s egg, developed in her uterus, and pushed through her vagina (which I hear is not an easy feat), you should probably have a little more respect and tolerance for her gender. And seeing as you will probably end up with a woman who you should respect (but who you probably won’t respect at all), you should maybe be a little less awful and close-minded towards her gender. Have some respect, maybe read a book or something, and check your privilege.
This has been a PSA.
This is laughable.
Your first point about what feminism “really” is is nothing short of the “no true Scotsman” fallacy. You shall know the tree by its fruit. The fruit of feminism is a sink-hole of solipsistic women too ignorant of history to even know of what they speak.
Your second point is the perfect illustration of your solipsism and ignorance of history with this hilariously and catastrophically wrong statement: a gender who has never faced systematic oppression. In the history of the world. Ever. Never ever ever.
Tell me, what percent of the homeless are men or boys? Throughout history, what percent of taxes are paid by men and what percent of welfare recipients are women? In the history of the world, what percent of prisoners have been men? What percent of combat deaths have been due to men? Which sex is expected to provide a home, wealth, and all creature for the other? Which sex has always had higher percentage of having children (hint: the most attractive men will still have sex with and father a child with a lowly woman, whereas lowly men are kept down by everyone)? What is the suicide rate of men compared to women? Which sex files for divorce more often because family courts are so biased in favor of that sex? Which sex works harder, working longer hours and spending more years in the workforce, but dies younger? What percent of those injured on the job are men? What percentage of those killed on the job are men? What percent of the most dangerous and grimiest and most disgusting jobs are done by men?
Women have been pampered for the entire history of mankind by the hardest working men. The most oppressed part of society, those at the very bottom, across all of time and all of geography, who are pushed there and kept there have always been men.
Women are just constantly patting themselves on the back about how difficult their lives are and no one corrects them because they wanna fuck em…. There’s just this tornado of like misinformation [in women’s heads’].
This has been a PSA.
These are definitely the common insults. But the lack of variety of insults really goes both ways. All you guys ever say, literally, is:
Fat
Old
Hit the Wall
Ugly
Slut
Roast Beef
Entitled
All very charming and thoughtful criticisms, but it’s a bit hypocritical to act like only one side is guilty of using the same material over and over again.
Double post. See the answer to the duplicate.
But all you guys ever say, to be fair, is:
You’re fat
You’ve hit the wall
You’re old and bitter
You’re ugly
You are a lonely cat lady (just the inverse of the serial killer basement thing)
You have roast beef
You’re a hypocritical feminist (even if nobody has made any mention of that, you assume any detractor must be a feminist, when normal people disagree with you plenty)
You do the exact same thing with your own insults- they are all some combo of the ones listed above. Just making sure that’s clear. Just look in the comments section and you’ll see some variation of these. I guess neither side is very creative.
No. You are just ignoring the obvious that all these attacks you mention are in RESPONSE to the undeserved attacks that ROK and supporters are faced with.
To agree with your position is like admonishing people for pushing back when shoved by those who initiate an attack. Hostile little radicals come here throwing angry words and you expect ALL to sit idly by while these assailants take liberty. THAT is the exact behavior of “entitlement” that most have identified “feminists” as having.
It’s like little children who say, “hey! that guy hit me back”, while ignoring the fact that they were hitting the guy repeatedly first.
There’s no hypocrisy, but the one you conjure in your own mind.
Thoughtful dialogue and counterpoint has always been encouraged. Many feminists come here thinking they have the “answer”. When that answer is shown to be based on falsehoods, they get angry and start the verbal abuse. Practically all of them justify this abuse claiming, “this website and it’s articles are an attack on *all* women, so it’s OK to be hostile”. Yet, NONE have been able to prove this obvious falsehood (that ROK’s articles are an attack on *all* women).
It’s just a convenience excuse to assault others. This is the face of “feminism”.
Sounds like this is something you feel very passionately about. 🙂
In certain Nigerian tribes, if a man beat his wife, she was given the right to castrate him if he laid hands on her again. So yeah, castration is a viable option for a guy who is a total prick.
Also, you ever think that maybe these things seem to be repeated a lot because they’re true?
Feminists:
Supporters of gendered violence.
I think you should marry a man from those Nigerian tribes. Possibly are you a Nigerian woman? Not surprised that Nigerian men often beat their wives, considering the unfaithful reputation of Nigerian women.
It’s funny how you’re telling someone is bullying when you can easily write these offensive and sexist articles about how slutty feminist are
THINGS LIKE THIS MAKE ME NOW WANT TO BE APART OF THIS PLANET…
caps lock, dear.
Stop using it, pretty please.
No offense, but youre a sexist asshole 🙂
You’re
Hahahah. I’ve had 5 of the 7 used against me. This is a classic!
Your article lacks logic. You cherry-pick examples of comments and imply that all women act the same way. Yes, I agree that the comments shown are not the most effective way to respond to misogyny, but pointing out the absurdity of only a few people will not make your own views valid.
The funniest thing about this is that the writer is trying to point out how feminists reuse the same insults, are stupid, and have no originality, yet he calls them something along the lines of “slutty fatties” every three sentences or so. I’m pretty sure this is not done ironically,
Difference is “slutty fatty” is a statement of fact, the feminists insults aren’t.
I wouldn’t go as far as saying they have a manual (although the cohesion in an otherwise divisive belief structure is worthy of note), more that their brains go to the lowest common denominator – you also note that their arguments come thick and fast, are pretty short (try to find a well-crafted argument at all let alone an argument that lasts longer than a few words/sentences). so one can infer that they write the first thing that comes to their heads, coincidentally aligning with what every other feminist/white knight/mangina supporter throws into the ring as well.
It isn’t just the insults. Their talking points and justifications are word-for-word.
My favourite bit was the bit where in the bit about unoriginal insults there was a bit about fatty slut feminists. That bit made me laugh it did
“The rare exceptions merely prove the rule, sweetheart–assuming you’re even telling the truth.”
This is one of my pet peeves in any debate/arena; bringing out the exception to prove… the exception. People seem to have either a problem or aversion to understanding the simplicity of the phrase ‘the exception proves the rule’ thus inadvertently making your point not theirs. Not that they’d know if after the fire off that volley.
Society does not function according to its exceptions.
This sucks. For one thing, not all feminists are fat. I, for one, am a fat feminist (alright, so what was that on the list, number six?), but that doesn’t make everyone ELSE a fat feminist! I’m incredibly hurt by this article, and the stupidity that generated it and is generated by it. I actually almost cried (is that too stereotypical for you?). But you can’t just go around insulting people and condoning rape and NOT expect to be told off at some point. Also, trigger warning are incredibly important. I’m strong and independent, but images of slit wrists can make me feel like cutting and stories of people sharing similar negative experiences to ones I’ve had can do the same. It doesn’t take away from how strong and independent I am, it’s just something I’ve gotta do. It’s nice to put them up so others don’t get hurt – not that whoever wrote this article knows ANYTHING about being nice or looking out for others.
Condoning rape? Please provide evidence of such a claim. Thanks.
5 yard penalty for feeding the troll.
hey, I know you probably just write these articles to get people’s attention because they’re controversial, but some of the things you’re writing are really disturbing. now you’re allowed to say whatever you want to, but please just think about how you might be affecting other people before you post these things.
thank you!
A feminist is someone who believes in gender equality. I get that this will be slandered by men and torn to shreds but read that first line again. And again.
Why should women not have the same right as men? We have purposes. We aren’t just here to populate the world. And thats essentially what you are saying. That we are here to make babies and pleasure men. That used to be true.
But now women have jobs, women have rights and men are still down-grading them. Why? Because we have breasts? Because we aren’t masculine? Because we aren’t men?
This whole article is mocking women for standing up for their gender – as we should! What do you expect us to do?
And you need to understand that gender equality isn’t just women’s problems. Its Men’s problems too!
Men – get it into your heads. We are in this together. We are in this world TOGETHER. We are meant to be a team. Not discriminate the other sex, or be a cow to feminists for wanting equal rights. There will always be women in this world who are sluts or will spend every night at a bar or in someone’s bed for a lot of their life. There will always be men who think like you do. But you are basing all of, THIS, on them. Which is literally 2% of this world’s population. Think about the rest of us and think about how these articles make you look to us. What did we do to deserve your hate?
Please, just listen to what you are saying about us. And we will listen back. Read up on feminist supporters and actually learn what we are about before you insult us again.
Gender equality, which is what feminists are standing up for, isn’t just women’s or feminists problems, its Everyone’s problem. We need everyone’s help if we are going to resolve this sort of thing.
Watch this speech: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0Dg226G2Z8
That is what gender equality and feminists are about.
#HeforShe
Ah yes, the dictionary definition of feminism. Pity it’s nothing like that in reality, is it? Laughable that you claim feminism cares even one jot about mens problems when they aren’t even lifting so much a finger anywhere to help fix them.
Like all feminists, you’re an out and out solipsistic joke.
Hand slap for feeding the troll.
Princess Fiona?
That troll shits really uncalled for. Of course you’ll probably respond with the common “butthurt much?” But that’s what I’d expect from someone as seemingly immature as you, calling her a troll for whatever reason you had, but regardless of the reason, it wasn’t a good one. Have you ever thought to yourself that maybe feminists wouldn’t have to be as defensive as people complain they are if pukes like you didn’t exist? You and others like you are the cause of the very thing you hate. So congratulations, you’ve been logically outgunned, shot dead. And I don’t doubt you’ll say something like “I don’t care it’s fun”, at which point I’ll respond with “drink lighter fluid, light a match in front of your face, and take a nice deep breath.”
You must be new here. Roosh, himself, asked that we ignore women, homosexuals, and Beta Simp fellow travelers who comment here. From your writing, you clearly belong to that last group, if not the second.
You also sound very young and immature. Get some life experience and grow some hair on your nutsack. Maybe then, you’ll be qualified to give advice at the men’s table.
First off, I sound immature? Go fuck yourself in that deep, dark closet of yours. You called a woman who admitted she’s overweight a troll. Sounds like something little preteen would say, don’t you think? Childish. Second, I’ve had hair on my sack 6 years motherfucker. I’ve been sitting at that “men’s table” you seem to think is so fuckin special for long enough to know when to call someone out on bullshit. Want proof? Here, right next to my screen name to show its not some bullshit pic pulled off of google.
Your retort proves my point. Especially the fact that you ignored my point about Roosh’s request. I guess you are really a troll here too. Sorry I wasted my time.
Lol you think that hurt me or something? Hahaha do you think that put me down?? Lmfao you’re too funny if you think so. There isn’t a god forsaken thing that you could ever do or say that could hurt me. Nice try. You failed, but nice try. Oh and by the way, your parents should be the ones apologizing. Apologizing to themselves for wasting their own time trying to raise a person someone would give a shit about when they could’ve been fucking each other using that time a little wiser by trying make another kid that could have helped them forget all about you. And, you know, to be honest, I find the title of “orphan” to be very fitting for you dirk. It suits you nicely considering you’re probably dead to them anyway. Either that or they’re actually dead. Lol Either way, you’ll be orphaned someday, if you aren’t already all alone in this dark, dark world. You have a good day, friend. 🙂
You really are young and immature. It screams out of your writing. If you ever grow the fuck up and get some life experience, you will one day look back on posts like the ones you have just written and cringe. Run along now and be some girl’s cuddle bitch and emotional tampon, while a guy like me is the one actually fucking her. 😆
Go ahead, fuck her. But you’ll just be a pity fuck, remember that, orphan. Lol
K so here’s the thing about the “or to be a cow to feminists for wanting equal rights” thing. So there’s this thing called a bill that the country passed years and years ago. Um it’s a great little thing that gives women, you know, equal rights. So, all women in the United states of America have officially had equal right to men for a very long time. If that’s what the whole feminist movement campaign thing is about, sorry, but it’s pointless because women have had what feminists have been “fighting for” since before I was born, and I’m over 20 years old. So idk how to say this but..you’re all wasting your lives trying to get something you’ve had since they day you were all born.
And yes, I agree guys can be straight scumbags, but that doesn’t mean 100 percent of the men on earth think women are objects. I personally consider burning down the local strip bar, dead serious. Not saying you think that, just saying that a lot do. And yes I realize I’m like 2 years behind this comment but I figured I’d just let people know that you have all had equal rights for a long time, in case anyone forgot.
For a writer, I notice you don’t really proof your work. You should start doing that. If you’re going to post your opinions, your grammar should be up there, don’t you think?
We should come up with a Bingo card for their predictable attacks.
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Outstanding! 😜
Very nice.
A couple weeks ago, I thought I would have some fun and comment on this feminist website. The absolute vitriol amazed me. I guess I lived a sheltered life and managed to marry a traditional woman before I was exposed to the feminists. My comment was that I would rather have a woman be upfront and honest if they didnt want a date, rather than making excuses and leading on. You would have thought I ran over their cat or something. Anyway, you are spot on with this article, predictable talking heads, predictable comments. No individual thought.
If you are a female MRA (as I am), the one “insult” you hear most frequently is; “You must really be a MAN posing online as a WOMAN!”.
To which I reply; “Hmmm… Do you ever accuse online male-feminists of ‘rally being a WOMAN posing online as a MAN’?”
To which, unsurprisingly, I get no response.
…unless it is more insults and accusations of gender malfeasance.
All these feminists keep saying “all we want is equal rights to men”. Cause the United states TOTALLY didn’t pass a bill that gives women equal rights or anything..Honestly, if that bill was never passed, I’d understand that “we want equal rights” thing, but you god damn cancer cells have had equal right for YEARS. WHAT ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT??? Did you forget about that great thing called history class??? People hold doors for women (if they have decency at least) but then again if everyone thinks that it’s more polite to hold a door for women than men, then that’s not quite equal thinking. Not saying that’s how everyone views it, it was just an example. I’ve read some cancerous conversations in fb comments and whatnot between ignorant people and apeshit crazy feminists male and female alike, arguing over the most irrelevant things. People like that need to drink bleach. Tired of hearing jackasses argue over stupid shit. Now the alright feminists and alright anti that calmly debate about things and feminists who really try to make REAL progress in areas that may need to be fixed or dealt with, rooting for you. Strongly against abortion, it makes me hate what people have become even more than I normally do, but none the less, it’s merely my opinion. Part of my beliefs. And please don’t start the it’s my body thing because I could go all night against that, and I don’t wish to start arguments. None the less, good for the feminists actually doing something for the movement. And anti feminists that calmly debate and respectfully disagree, good job for not being asses about it. So long story short, women already have equal rights, but admittedly(and quite obviously in some cases) things need to be improved in some areas, maybe many. Point is, to every jackass out there arguing over pointless crap, go drown yourself, no one wants your aids, because there are better things to debate over. And to whoever argues over dumb stuff, either 1. You’re not a real feminist because you’re just bickering over dumb shit rather than making the difference you say you want to make or 2. You’re not an anti, you’re just some argumentative asshole who has nothing better to do with your time. I have no doubt that both the argumentative cockfaces and the feminists that just go with the name and not the goal will report this to have it taken down, but only because they’ll know I made a point. A strong point that they won’t be able to stand, because the, I’ll call the bads on both sides”timewasters”, will quickly realize the truth that they either aren’t really for what they say they’re for and just want to do what the fuck they want, unlike the actual feminists who actually try for the goal they’re going for, or they’re just some nolife prick who gets off on arguing with random people on the Internet. Report if you want timewasting fakes and timewasting cockfaces, but I just hope someone, either feminist or anti with common sense will see this and maybe pass it along. If you good feminists and good antis see this as a fair point and a good little speech to pass along, feel free. Maybe it’ll get through some people’s thick skulls if it gets passed around enough. To all the goods, have a great night. To all the fakes and cockfaces, drink lighter fluid, light a match in front of your face and inhale.