A common trope among left-wing keyboard jockies are privilege checklists. They have male privilege checklists, white privilege checklists and even cisgender checklists and skinny-privilege checklists.
The most amusingly self-absorbed and grossly incorrect approach to privilege is the aforementioned male privilege checklist. A review of the claims shows most all of them are based on a white, middle-class plus lifestyle with straight parents. To the more historically-aware, feminism is truly the white woman’s privilege. Further still, it is based out of narcissism, as women are fleeing feelings and place a great emphasis on the trappings of power: degrees, placement in corporate/government hierarchies and general monetary wealth. Marriage and motherhood are often seen as the ultimate trap, unless they can make marriage and motherhood all about them. Which they do.
The modern female privilege is, at the apex, embodied by Sheryl Sandberg: a woman who has benefited from a system rigged to uplift women at the expense of men. Sandberg also had the cash to outsource her motherhood to nannies and her domestic duties to maids. Further, she is the CEO of Facebook, a major social media outlet catering to female wants and needs.
While she certainly is an aspirational symbol for most women — as the vast majority of women will never taste her level of class and power privilege — she represents the privilege the modern woman enjoys. She still retains the reigns in the domestic sphere – but can outsource the work involved to lower-status women, while retaining the power. She enjoys a media market that caters almost exclusively to women, save the Internet. TV, radio and print magazines all reflect the dominant strain of female interests. Further, relationships are skewed more than ever in a woman’s favor – most strikingly in divorce court.
These confluent tributaries speak to the privilege the modern woman enjoys and allows her unprecedented levels of autonomy with respects to work/life balance. While some of the privilege operates independent of men, a majority of the privileges afforded operate at the expense of men.
Without further ado, let’s unpack this invisible knapsack of female privilege.
1. Women Are The Authority In The Domestic Sphere
This is a remnant of more balanced times, when women had primacy in the domestic and childcare realms. These twin privileges still exist to this day. The one major modification to this social approach is that many women do not have a husband, either choosing to raise their children alone or with a female partner.
Women still maintain a primacy over the entire home – the location, the size, the decor and ambiance within the dwelling. Most men do not have much — if any — power to affect these decisions. Women, by and large, control the arc of heterosexual relations. Men may be able to exert control over how expensive of a house they may want, but the strong majority of men are powerless to affect the living arrangements of their own homes. Where do you think the concept of the man-cave came from? It has evolved from men desiring to have hand in a relationship in which they do not have power, so they choose a childish and passive-aggressive way of exerting themselves without actually having to learn to deal with and interact with their wives. And this even assumes a woman has a man in her life – she could be doing this alone.
This furthers extends to the raising of the children. Women have long been considered moral superiors to men in America — and the West, generally — and this privilege extended to the rearing of children. It is indubitably true that the hand that rocks the cradle rules the world, given the proliferation of a field called psychology which realizes and understands many problematic thought processes and behaviors are an adaption to poor parenting – which includes poor mothering. As I wrote a few weeks ago, healthy mothering is absolutely crucial in raising healthy people. It is doubly so in America where so many single mothers raise their children alone. Those mothers become solely responsible for their children, as how can she blame her children’s poor life choices on an absent father? He wasn’t there to affect their development, only she was. This is an incredible privilege women enjoy.
2. Media Caters To And Soothes Female Egos
If ROK’s past week has been any indication, women expect media to cater to their egos and if it does not, to demand that authority figures dispense with opinions that cause rage within them.
This shows how women relate to media, as they see media as a source of therapy. The wider media responds to this demand, supplying women with countless websites that cater to women’s limited, but varying interests such as men, marriage, babies, men, fashion, and men. Of course, highly popular websites such as Jezebel and Gawker manage to distill the self-absorption of the modern woman and repackage it through feminist and left-wing views that either incite the rage or anxiety in the viewer. With plenty of sex talk, celebrity gossip and feeling superior to others, of course.
Regardless, this is how women regard media. They expect to be able to turn on any media outlet and have their egos massaged. They expect to see superlatives lavished on them, expecting to see fat women being called “beautiful,” physically unattractive women described as “beautiful,” in fact, most of the media coverage seems to be reaffirming the viewer that she is, in fact, beautiful. Not average, not above-average, but beautiful.
Of course, ferocity, independence and intelligence are always assumed on the part of the woman. Think about that – female egos are not even worried about actually being smart or tough, as they assume that they are that just by existing. They do need reassurance they are not just physically attractive, but beautiful. And the media caters to that and soothes their existentialist torment over their own perceived physical attractiveness.
This is the privilege women enjoy. Men don’t get to turn on the TV and hear how handsome they are, how capable they are or how valuable they are just for existing. No, they get to hear about how they aren’t satisfying their women, how they don’t do enough housework or childcare work. Isn’t it sad how Americans perceive taking care of their children as “work?” So much for unconditional love.
Regardless, women enjoy great privilege in the media, as they can sidle up with a tub of Ben & Jerry’s on their over-priced couch, turn on MTV and be catered to exclusively by the media. While being beautiful, of course.
3. The Relationship/Divorce Industry Is Staunchly Pro-Woman
Women, collectively, have the upper hand in American relationships.
The constellation of magazines, TV shows and media attention focused on female sexual and romantic well-being is simply astounding. Bevies of sympathetic experts crowd each other out in the romance marketplace, offering up salves to the aching hearts of women. Female loneliness is universally recognized, their desires and emotional needs prioritized over men’s commensurate needs. This industry toils tirelessly to produce articles to help women find better partners, help solve their relationship issues or assuage their angst. The only remotely mainstream website that focuses on the needs of men in today’s world is Return of Kings. No other site combines advice for game, lifestyle, weight-lifting, finances and general intellectual betterment than Return of Kings.
However, this isn’t even the pinnacle of female relational privilege, that reaches its zenith in the hallowed — or demonic — halls of America’s divorce courts. Sure, visit websites like the National Parents Organization or the Wikipedia entry for Father’s Rights. However, it should be obvious anybody with a brain capable of seeing beyond it’s own self that men are routinely and systematically discriminated against in divorce court. Perhaps one of the greatest privileges a modern woman enjoys is the ability to clean her husband’s emotional and financial clock in divorce court. She overwhelmingly gets to retain custody of her children. A saying amongst family law lawyers is that if you put a skirt on the facts, suddenly it swings a judge’s opinion towards the “facts.”
Imagine what it is like to be in a marriage in which one party gets to dissolve the union for no reason and take the majority of the family wealth. At any point. What a privilege.
Conclusion
Privileged Patty squatted herself down on her couch. Her actual weight and physical attractiveness are entirely irrelevant as patriarchal norms based out of male dominance needlessly hierarchize female worth. Privileged Patty is inherently beautiful. And, just being born a woman, she is born with intelligence, capability and insight known only by women.
She flips on the TV while downing a glass of wine, with the channel Male Privilege flickering across her brand-new plasma screen. In fact, Jezebel declared her new TV to be the only female-only constructed TV on sale in America.
“Honestly,” thought Patty, “It is about time those women in Vietnam got with the feminist program.”
Patty on and watched Male Privilege and sipped her wine. The show highlighted the inherent stupidity, arrogance and perception of superiority these men have. God, they all think they are just impossibly handsome.
“Mommy!” said Patty’s daughter running up to Patty on the couch, with a Hispanic woman chasing after her,”Look what I made!”
“That’s nice,” said Patty, gesturing towards the Hispanic woman while feigning a grin at her daughter. “Maria, get Ophelia out of here! This is my ‘Lean In‘ time!”
Maria carted Patty’s daughter off, as Ophelia lamely gesturing towards Patty with her gingerbread man.
Patty settled back in, killing yet another glass of wine, feeling she was free of oppressive elements outside herself for the moment. Male Privilege continued and showcased men who refused to play a major role in their children’s lives and their mother’s insistence that those fathers take a more active role.
“Patty,” said a soft, but vaguely masculine voice, “We need to talk about Gregor’s and Ophelia’s grades in school. I fear…”
Patty shot her eyes to the source of the voice – it was her co-parent, Stefan. She regarded him for a second before sharply remarking, “Didn’t we discuss ‘Lean In‘ together? This is my time. We decided we shall discuss our children’s grades on Wednesday at dinner. When that Hispanic bitch watches our kids.”
Stefan recoiled a bit with Patty’s last sentence, “Maria plays a great role in our children’s lives, Patty!”
Patty started drinking yet another glass of wine, “I know.” She then looked Stefan in his eyes directly, glaring right at her oppressor. He promptly left the living room.
Given all the guilt put on her by Stefan, her children and her maid Maria, Patty was drowning in oppression.
She turned on the ultimate feminist TV channel, known as “Nothing Is Ever Your Fault.”
“Exactly,” she said as she polished off her last glass of wine, “It is so tough to be a woman these days.“
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Forgot one: women can’t resist a cause. Especially when that cause is all about themselves.
But just to get the ball rolling on this. Ahem:
“You are all a bunch of misogynistic assholes who wouldn’t know what to do with a real woman if you met her. Big can be beautiful. Women aren’t THERE for your entertainment. It’s real easy to be a big shot from the other side of a kayboard in your mother’s basement while you play with your small penis wishing a woman would pay enough attention to sleep with you.” et cetera et cetera blablabla baaaaaaaaaah, cluckcluckcluk
Did I miss anything?
sad, pathetic, mommy issues but you about nailed it otherwise
They can choose to wear cute military uniforms with being bound by mandatory draft registration/Selective Service.
They can choose to be equal whenever it suits them: sinking ship (unequal), cannon fodder (unequal), college sports (equal), child custody (unequal)…
They are allowed to have selective outrage: 50 Shades of Gray (fun, fun, fun role playing sex); acted-out rape in porno (evil, evil, evil must-go-to-prison in the UK)
yes exactly.. where is the demand for equal rights in deep sea oil rig workers, or remote gold mining operations, or undersea salvage divers…. where is the demand for equal rights in long distance trucking or deep sea freight companies…. how many women are clamoring to put on skivies and work on container vessels or super tankers ?
how many women do you see out in the freezing cold building and repairing freeways, maintaining street lamps, relaying sewage pipes, repairing and servicing aircraft on 24/7 schedules….
when your next plane lands in freezing cold winter weather, who is out there on the tarmac, connecting the jet way so you can disembark, hauling your suit case out of the hold and refueling the plane….. ?
Women want a cushy job in an air condition office. They don’t seem to realize if men had the same job attitude as they did and rejected any type of work that involved getting dirty/working out in the sun/sweating that society would collapse in one day.
Good on you, Ray. Great post. But most men don’t want to do hard manual labor, either. And few guys over 40 do it. Jeez, I don’t blame them.
I’ve seen women do a lot of road work, building maintenance, garbage collection, cement hauling and ditch digging (with buckets), field tilling by hand, etc., in Africa, Asia, and the former U.S.S.R., often with pregnant bellies or nursing babies, their other kids sitting nearby. These women seemed miserable. But they had to feed their kids and themselves.
Most manual labor is pretty much looked down by those with office jobs, by both male and female alike.
Neither do most men. Few people give a damn about sweaty labor, especially in the West. They sure want to enjoy the results of that labor, though.
Numbers two and three are self-evidently true, and social media has made it far, far worse.
2Wycked, how did you make it through school while learning to write so well? I thought schools where segregating out intelligent boys to “equalize” them. You must have snuck through.
Idea: Write an entire book about Privileged Patty. Plenty of material.
He should just take it easy on the word ‘narcissism’. Once or twice every chapter should be more than enough.
What the past week has starkly reinforced is that women absolutely CANNOT take criticism, no matter how valid.
They feel threatened, toss out the feminist shaming, and finally of course appeal to authority to eliminate the source of those “bad feelz”.
Great article… I think it’ll be a cold day in hell when an “all-female produced TV” is ever sold – I can see the engineers arguing “…but I FEEL we don’t need an HDMI input because *I* never use it”.
I think this just scratches the surface of privileges women have in our society. In social settings, woman are automatically valued/desired as part of groups by being female, and can ostracize men by labeling them “weird/creepy”.
Cisgender is a stupid word and I despise anyone who uses it.
Why is it a stupid word?
I just read the cisgender checklist, it is indeed stupid. The uselessness of this concept should be readily obvious to anyone, but I will hash it out for you.
Cisgender is the notion that someone who is ok with their gender identity, is in fact privileged and is not suffering as much as someone with a confused gender identity.
This is literally the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Besides the obvious fact that the term was probably coined by homosexuals/transvestites who probably identified with being homosexual/transgender solely for the sake of creating some sort of drama or struggle in their lives,
you are in fact not supposed to have gender identity issues in the first place. This is the core of the fallacy, they seek to bring down well-adjusted people (in terms of gender identity), based on the notion that having a good gender identity, is in fact ‘wrong’ or ‘privileged’, but rather having a good gender identity, is the norm.
It is they who must raise themselves. Not us who must lower ourselves.
I’ve never heard the idea “that having a good gender identity” is wrong. I’ve heard that stereotypical gender identities (i.e. girls defined by the color pink, boys by blue) are limiting, which I think is true. The point is that gender is socialized, your biological sex is not, and while I don’t agree with the argument that what’s considered a “normal” gender identity is wrong, I’m inclined to think that the norm is probably privileged, solely because that’s what people have come to expect depending on your gender identity.
true, but just because some people are better off than others doesn’t mean we should drag everyone down to the lowest level.
I agree, people shouldn’t be dragged down. However, they should acknowledge when they are privileged and be considerate of those who aren’t–maybe be voice that helps others become “better off.” Just a thought.
Whether you realize it or not, the purpose of these privilege checklists is to cast the object into the role of an oppressor in order to justify discrimination against them. And anyone who buys into this idea that they are so privileged is just priming themselves to be taken advantage of by guilt based manipulation.
I’m guessing most men here have had the experience of being told to “check their privilege” when arguing with a Feminist? It means shut up, your opinion doesn’t count, only mine does, because I’m not privileged.
Ha, you just reinforced my argument by saying only your opinion counts–that would mean you’re privileged.
I didn’t say that only my opinion counted…
I can quote you: “It means shut up, your opinion doesn’t count, only mine does, because I’m not privileged.”
Here I was just saying it was stupid because people who did not go to have themselves mutilated and took shots to become something they were not, should not be lumped into a category that should not even exist. You summed it up way more succinctly.
Well done genius, you’re quoting my interpretation of what Feminists mean when they say “check your privilege”. Read the sentence before.
Well done genius, you’re quoting my interpretation of what Feminists mean when they say “check your privilege”. Read the sentence before.
Lol that’s the most typical feminist move ever
Taking things out of context? Yep…
FeministforLife
Except “they” doesn’t include feminists, amirite! *rimshot*
Reading comprehension is a sexist construct.
Bwahahahaha! Awesome.
you can’t even get the difference between transgender and transvestite right. you are genuinely lacking education on this subject yet you still elevate your knowledge over ours – when we’ve lived it. it is an insult to accuse someone of being “gender confused”. The fact is that trans people have shitty lives compared to you. Our suicide and murder rates are vastly, vastly higher, we can be denied employment, healthcare and housing. You will never experience the level of marginalisation we do, you just attack and feed off people “weaker” than you from your comfy arm chair.
we do not need to invent issues for ourselves when we have more than enough to face. you have to face up to the fact that it’s not about political correctness or oversensitivity. it’s about the fact that you’re a BAD HUMAN BEING who refuses to empathise with those different to themselves. we have made it easier these days to dress this up in terminology that makes it look more acceptable(how many straight up misogynists call themselves MRAs?) but the fact is that it is a thoroughly hateful, sheltered and ignorant line of thought.
By who’s expertise should we “Not” have gender identity in the issues in the first palce? like that you’re not supposed to be homosexual in the first place? or even that you’re not supposed to have mental health issues in the first place? people do not choose to be trans. you can make yourself out to be more down to earth than the airy fairy trans community like every sociopathic, delusional right winger likes to but the fact is that there is actual research and science behind the case of transgenderism and even if it WAS a choice – why should people be abused, and have that abuse justified by impossibly entitled people such as yourself? Why are your choices as a straight white male infinitely more preferable? Like you have almost exactly the same set of values that a traditional bigot would have. You are absolutely no different except you word it so it looks more innocent.
There is no “good” or “bad” gender identity, there is no way to make such judgement. different does not equate to bad. you are talking about fallacies but you have aboslutely no idea how to distinct abstract social constructs from things which actually have a foundation in neurology.
And this is largely about entitlement. you see them as things to comment on and pass around and laugh at like funny looking dolls. it is the extreme and often violent(I was attacked recently by someone demanding to know if I was a “man or a woman”) level of entitlement not of marginalised people but of people like you that is the problem. You raise yourself above others and then complain about being “Lowered” to our level.
The fact is that you have an undue amount of privilege over us. You are where you are partly because your culture oppresses the marginalised. You did not earn what you have over us. You are no more inherently hardworking or valuable than any trans person yet you have far more opportunities available to you and far less oppression to deal with. this is the problem. you absolutely should bring us onto your level because you haven’t earned your level in the first place.
No it doesn’t. Read feminist for life’s post above you. The one you’re replying to yet somehow don’t seem to be processing. It means acknowledging the institutional advantages you have over others and not saying things which are ignorant of that fact.
And it’s very rare I’ll tell someone to check their privilege.
“The fact is that trans people have shitty lives compared to you. Our suicide and murder rates are vastly, vastly higher, we can be denied employment, ” All your own fault, as the result of your own actions. No sympathy.
As for healthcare, depending on what exactly you mean by healthcare provided it doesn’t mean forcing people to subsidize your operations, then I agree that is wrong in addition to housing.
“Our suicide and murder rates are vastly, vastly higher, we can be denied employment, healthcare and housing. You will never experience the level of marginalisation we do, you just attack and feed off people “weaker” than you from your comfy arm chair.”
I didn’t bother to read that whole thing, cause after seeing that I knew it really was pointless. I’m sorry
“The fact is that trans people have shitty lives compared to you.”
I would caution against making life-comparisons with a stranger you don’t know. I don’t know what you’ve been through, and you don’t know what I’ve been through.
“it’s about the fact that you’re a BAD HUMAN BEING who refuses to empathise with those different to themselves.”
I empathise, that doesn’t mean I desire to enable or encourage someone’s condition, or say “it’s ok”. Quite the contrary. Also I would caution you against making accusations as to my moral stature. To throw you a bone: my conscience is at ease.
“The fact is that you have an undue amount of privilege over us. You are where you are partly because your culture oppresses the marginalised. You did not earn what you have over us. You are no more inherently hardworking or valuable than any trans person yet you have far more opportunities available to you and far less oppression to deal with. this is the problem. you absolutely should bring us onto your level because you haven’t earned your level in the first place.”
Do you not comprehend that there is no gay gene? It only takes a little bit of rationality to understand that the ‘explosion’ of gay rights and the ‘pushing for the acceptance of transgender condition’ are really just attempts by people to grasp at an identity.
There is no gay gene, furthermore the condition of transgendered people can easily be summed up as:
‘I am a man born in a woman’s body.” or “I am a woman born in a man’s body.”
Why not, ‘I am an otter born in a man’s body”? Exactly where is the validity to this condition? We do not need studies of any kind to easily extrapolate (via occam’s razor) that these people probably are just trying to identify with something.
did you read the full comment?
What it means is acknowledging the institutional advantages you (supposedly) have over others…. and then granting those who are not “privileged” additional benefits in compensation while putting the “privileged” in their place. Its enabling a power grab, pure and simple.
Its not that Im “not processing” what FeministforLife was saying, its that both she AND you are not taking your thinking on this matter through to its logical conclusion. You’re only examining the surface rationalization, and not thinking about the outcome this is designed to produce. A simple acknowledgment of advantage is not where this is meant to stop.
You miss the point; he says you are gender-confused because, objectively, you are. And because you are confused, you have a hard time sorting out your confusion. Here’s a first clue: healthy people don’t get in pissing contests over whose life is shittier, and who deserves more sympathy and victim status. That is a red-flag that you have something seriously wrong with you. Healthy people compete to see who has excelled the most, while remaining most free from irrational constraints upon their free action.
When you suffer from advanced rates of depression, suicide, etc., it’s usually a sign that you are unhappy with your life and your life choices. It is pathetic to blame other people; we choose how to react to the things that happen to us. And so, healthy and well-adjusted people are acting rationally and charitably, when they tell you that you are confused, and that your confused attempt to embrace objectively dysfunctional ideas is the source of your unhappiness.
You should read Chesterton, and his talk about how it is precisely sick and slightly crazy people, who “believe in themselves,” over and against the obvious truth of matters. The hallmark of madness is being trapped in your own thoughts and ideas, making the mistake of believing your own, twisted notions even when they fly in the face of objective reality. In fact, the word “idiot” comes from a Greek term meaning exactly this: the idiot is the man who thinks that whatever thoughts and feelings rattle around, sui generis, in his own head, are the best and truest thoughts.
The sane man takes a look and says: “Wow. I have a dick and a y chromosome. I’m a man. I should embrace that fact, and realize that whatever confused, twisted notions are bumping around in my head to the contrary, are the voice of insanity and madness. I will not find peace by trying to convince the world that those mad voices are the voice of reason; I need to find a way to connect with my masculinity and to activate my own participation in it.” Bad ideas produce the depression, suicide, etc., that you have – what we rightly call “confusion.” The Truth, as they say, will make you free. Even you know it: even you know that you are bitter and dead inside as you try to rationalize your sickness to yourself. But you are afraid of the hard path of trying to reconcile yourself to the Truth. I won’t say that you’ll manage to get all the way back, but I’ll tell you this: you will be less miserable, overall, and you will have the pleasure of living an honest life, with all the adventure that goes with it. You’re a man. Embrace it. Reject the bs. It’s okay to admit you don’t know what you’re doing… it’s far better than pretending you are an expert, brave, principled, gender-uncategorized person. You aren’t, and no sane person believes you are. You have the chromosomes you have. You are what you are. Get over it, and embrace the freedom.
The one thing people always miss, is that this idea of “privilege” is mostly bs. It is not “privilege,” if a naturally better thing gravitates towards the naturally better results that are proper to it. It is ‘excellence’ or ‘natural goodness,’ not ‘privilege.’ Gold is not “privileged” over dirt; gold is naturally better than dirt and has naturally better uses than dirt. Gold is exactly where it belongs on the spectrum, and dirt is exactly where it belongs; each has what it deserves, not what it is privileged to have or not have.
I’m not denying that there can be injustices. But I am certainly denying that “equality” is the norm, and that every lifestyle choice, culture, etc., is “naturally” equal until “privilege” disrupts this equality. Read some of the accounts of the British rule in India in the late 1800s. Some of the indigenous people started to realize: “yeah, the people in power here sometimes have abused their power. But ultimately, they are the inheritors of a long civilization with a good memory and a continuous development of thought. They know what is valuable from the past, but they also have a culture that likes to problem solve and innovate. They have a very just system of law, when it is administered correctly. But here, the only thing the people in India know is custom. Custom is a prison for us; the only thing we think of when a problem or new idea arises, is: ‘would our ancestors have done this, or approved of this?’ And for this reason, the British have gone around the world and brought guns and trains and medicine and electric lights, while we still cook our tandoori chicken over cow patties.” India, by having a naturally inferior culture, found itself completely subjugated to a superior people. Now, after interacting with a greater civilization, India is poised to become a world power… and may even eclipse us, if she retains her morals while we are losing ours.
It isn’t “privilege” when well-adjusted people lead lives that are happy and productive because they are not busy finding ways to feel victimized. It isn’t “privilege” when a man makes the rational choice to marry a woman and start a family, thus forming an emotional support-base and finding a purpose in life and people to live for, while unhealthy people spend their lives trying to identify as victims in a microscopic community of poor dears. It isn’t “privilege” that keeps those people down, but their own outrageously bad decisions – decisions to identify with victimhood status, and to identify with some artificial construct of gender that is wholly at odds with the objective facts of the matter, etc.
In other words: if straight white men have developed for themselves a culture which values hard work and the morals that bind society together (I hate to break it to you, but the proof is in: patriarchy worked and kept people happier than they are now), then it isn’t “privilege,” if groups of people want to voluntarily break ranks with that culture in favour of other, predictably less successful and well-adjusted, arrangements. It is called just desserts.
Typically, the missing point is: *Why* do those institutional advantages exist? Just because life is unfair? Or, perhaps, because one set of morals is objectively more correct, more likely to produce success, more likely to keep people healthy and well-adjusted, while other morals are objectively less conducive to a good life?
This is why the whole concept of “privilege” is bs. The idea, is clearly to make people feel that their “privilege” is unearned and, therefore, should be somehow disavowed or accorded to others. But, when I “check” my privilege, I don’t feel guilty, I feel very proud of my heritage which has produced such excellence. And I don’t think that you do people any favours, when you let them enjoy all the “privilege” of living rightly, without requiring them to make the often hard choices in order actually to live rightly. That, in fact, is the true definition of “privilege” – giving people unearned favour – and it produces nothing but entitled victims who feel no sense of responsibility for getting their own lifestyles and moral values back on track. In fact, their identity with victimhood culture and their sense of righteous indignation at the “unfair advantage” of others, makes them capable of feeling morally vindicated in the very act of robbing and slandering others.
How dare you, you trans-phobe! The term “sexism” just reinforces the notion that gender can be equated with biological sex! It is very insensitive to transgendered people, because it reinforces unjust societal attitudes that gender is objectively rooted in biological sex, undermining and victimizing trans-gendered people yet further as they strive to overcome these out-dated notions. Educate yourself! The avowal of sexism is the hetero-normative chauvinist’s tool of trans-gendered oppression! Power to the entities!
I’m “well-adjusted” sexually, I guess. I also have cystic fibrosis, and my sister died last year from complications from cystic fibrosis. Tell me again what a poor, downtrodden soul you are and how wonderful my life is. I really enjoy hearing it.
You neglected to work in “intersectionality”.
If gender identity is socialized, then how can someone “really” be a gender other than their biological one? Either gender is constructed or it isn’t. The current mythic narrative for the gender identity culture seems to claim that heterosexual gender identity is socialized, whereas gayness, transgenderedness, whateverness is somehow innate and beyond question.
I think most people don’t realise that while gender is tied to sex, the association between objects and beliefs, and a particular gender are mostly a social construct. For example toy soldiers are not inherently masculine as they are just plastic, however society associates masculinity with toy soldiers and so boys will gravitate towards them in comparison to feminine-associated toys like dolls. I think these people saying gender is a social construct are confusing the two.
Wow, that’s a whole lotta hate and presumption for someone who is full of “compassion.”
I have plenty of compassion for transgendered people, in the same way I have compassion for bipolar and schizophrenic people. It’s a disorder that brings with it a whole lot of pain and disadvantages in life. But you don’t help people with disorders by convincing them that it’s the world that is disordered, not them.
If I believe that I’m a squirrel trapped in a human body, is it more compassionate a) to get me counseling and/ or medication to control my delusion, or b) to encourage me to dress up like a squirrel and identify with squirrels and maybe get some surgery and hormone therapy to make me look like a squirrel?
The boundary between “gender” and sex is pretty fuzzy. Every day developmental psychologists are forced to accept that a great deal of the gendered behavior that has no necessary connection to sex, is nevertheless the result of sexual differences. That includes especially personality traits, group socializing traits, learning styles, and values that differ dramatically between the sexes. Honestly, the distinction between “gender” and “sex” is turning out to be one of the least useful conceptual distinctions in social science history.
Well said.
Bah! Hahaha.
Reifying “society” as an agent is another lazy trope of the social science crowd. “Society” doesn’t do anything, it is merely the result of thousands or millions of independent moral actors making decisions.
Society does not associate masculinity with toy soldiers and make boys gravitate to them; little boys naturally gravitate toward toy soldiers, and for that reason we associate toy soldiers with masculinity.
I particularly hate it when feminists say “society tells us we must be demure” or “skinny” or “beautiful” or some such thing. “Society” says and does no such thing, because “society” can’t. Usually when women says that society oppresses them, what they really mean is that other women are bitches. But the feminist chips on their shoulders won’t let them speak so frankly.
You do realize that only nouns actually have gender? People have sex differencecs which extend into the brain. Therefore there is a biological basis for psychological differences in men and women. This means that you cannot create an exlcusive dualism between sex and gender.
So due to the fact that men get longer prison sentences than women for committing the same crime (women generally serve less than half the sentence men do) that you’ll be acknowledging your female privilege in this area?
Well said, it would be like saying you’re priviliged because you have two legs rather than one, which is nonsense of course. Privilige puts you above the norm.
“…(i.e. girls defined by the color pink, boys by blue…”
It’s a bit off topic, but in the early 1900’s pink was actually a masculine colour and the most appropriate for baby boys and blue was considered a feminine colour, historically, high status men in some cultures has worn makeup, wigs and bows in their hair.
Todays it’s the polar opposite and any man who Wears any of these Things today would be seen by many as “gay” or unmanly. All of this strongly suggests that traditional gender roles are in fact not “natural” as any ROK writer would claim(I have yet to see their arguments to back up this claim), but rather a social construct.
The idea that anyone is experiencing a net privilege because of one isolated characteristic they have is absurd, and to me, as a non-American, just about sums up the creative insanity of American identity politics. People should be taken on their personal situation, whatever gender or colour or race they may be. The idea that you can quantify ‘privilege’ is fucking batshit loopy.
About the only thing female privilege doesn’t do for you is teach you how to spell it.
It’s all just men dressed up like women (and sometimes women dressed up like men). Sometimes they add fake tits to the equation and sometimes they chop off their peckers… still just men dressed up like women.
“By who’s expertise should we “Not” have gender identity in the issues in the first palce?”
The sane people.
After careful consideration I’m going to go with B, definitely B.
I can’t think of any group that doesn’t have some form of priviledge in the west, at some point. But the only ones that seem to be required to acknowledge it are straight, white, heterosexual, cisgender men. Which isn’t exactly equality. In reality, this seems like a slight of hand means of bullying or passive aggressively interacting with people you disagree with, like a lot of political correctness, without the same approach ever being applied to you. For example, women are often protected from violence, or men are expected to carry things. Romantically men are often on the back foot. Women get lesser jail sentences, and parental rights. They occupy all the middle pay unskilled office jobs, where most men get low pay unskilled danger and labour jobs. All of those are systemic priviledges. Just like the ones above. Never acknowledged just how many there actually are.
You are a self absorbed dumbass. Do you really think people do shit to their bodies and live excluded from normal society (risking violence, intrusive personal questions, commentary from bigots like you , etc.)on a daily basis when they could simply just “get over some shit” as you so insightfully put it? Read a damn book. People have had alternate gender identities in many cultures all over the world.
And those people were delusional too.
“The fact is that trans people have shitty lives compared to you.”
That’s because they’re mentally I’ll, duh.
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“you can’t even get the difference between transgender and transvestite right.”
Could not care less no matter how hard I tried.
“The fact is that trans people have shitty lives compared to you. Our suicide and murder rates are vastly, vastly higher, we can be denied employment, healthcare and housing. You will never experience the level of marginalisation we do…”
Well, cut that shit out and it will stop.
“The fact is that you have an undue amount of privilege over us.”
Not enough. More like, unduly not enough.
Again, cut that shit out and it will stop.
Switch to bestiality. As long as you don’t inflict pain on an animal, and see that it has food, it won’t care. PETA may, but if the animal is consenting, they should butt out. And you won’t be promoting corruption of another human being.
I suggest imagining oneself to be a shark, then go breathe ocean water for a while.
I had a dick the very first time I looked down there. I strongly suspect that it was already there. It certainly wasn’t socialized into being.
The idea that it should be stuck into a vagina didn’t come from socialization either.
Yup, both dicks and pussies do have some limitations. They don’t all go away by having the former cut off or the latter stitched shut.
My wings aren’t worth a crap for flying, either. More limitations. How unfair.
I’m not just “insensitive” to crossdressers and self-mutilators. I’m downright (the former word for the current “fucking”) rude.
Just as an example, the last faggot who touched my ass got attacked with a dinner knife. Insensitive enough?
At least if the trannies all castrate themselves (ovarectomy is female castration) early enough they won’t generate any children to corrupt or to pass any tranny genes on to. They have to rely on their allies in the child “protection” agencies to get children to them.
Little boys go for the sticks and rocks. Both are good for building and for waging war, almost 100% male tendencies.
Civilization is for tempering men’s destructive tendencies and for supporting women in their natural biologically programed rôle.
Transgender and transvestite are two discreet forms of mental illness. Transgender is from the body dysmorphia continuum of psychosis where Transvestism is an atypical (from societal norms of the present time) arousal and attraction value set. Transvestism is an innocuous practice whereas Transgender enabling is debilitating. I find it remarkable that Medicine will help people with body dysmorphia (They know that having two hands is wrong and seek a surgeon to cut off their ‘extra hand’) yet when the delusion involves sexual re-assignment that is somehow something that needs “fixing” through surgery. If you don’t want to be a man, you need help to accept reality.Not surgery.
Because “normal” is enough of a word.
Shut up pig. Now that America is finished as a power nobody gives a shit what you have to say anymore.
this comment makes literally no sense.
Namely because the people who use it are mentally retarded
Because it means ‘normal’.
Because “normal” is the word. Trans-gendered is unnatural and weird.
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Cisgender is a stupid word and I despise anyone who uses it.
Privilege Number Four: Women can hurt any man to any degree in public, even bashing with a weapon, and that woman will be cheered on because they think the guy deserved it or because he was a pussy. While if that man being attacked acts out and just grabs her, pushes her, or hits her back he will immediately get jumped so fast and so hard white men that call a group of black people niggers in the ghetto would have nothing on this.
Why do men allow this? After all, our system is pretty much run by men. Most cops are men, the legal field is male dominated, most state legislators are men, the federal government is pretty much run by men (82% of Congressmen are men), the US president’s a man as is most of his staff, 6 of the 9 Supreme Court justices are men.
But it’s the fault of women for accepting queen status when American men offer it to them?
Women are the smarter sex. Why hold jobs when you can control 90% of wealth via marriage/divorce & have a slave for life?
I will offer a scale of perception for men and women.
WOMAN
Feminists (Very Stupid) – Believes men are the destroyers of Earthly Paradise and attack men to ‘restore’ it. Feminists are very stupid because they are attacking the ones who created paradise. Smart women join men in attacking feminists because feminists are a threat to THEIR paradise (of men working for women). Feminists believe if they expel the men, they can create a lesbian relationship which, since it does not involve men, will create paradise.
Slut (Stupid) – Sluts are women who act as if they are in Paradise and that is never going to change. They sleep with whoever, get drunk, and just waste their lives away. They might wisen up or they might become even stupider (and become a feminist).
Career Woman (Dumb) – Career women correlate to sluts and feminists quite well. But career women work because they lack the perception of how to manipulate men. If they did, they would not work. Many Career Women smarten up, find a sucker, and then ‘retire’ after a baby.
Wife (Norm) – By marrying, a woman now has a servant. She may still work but that will be seen as temporary until he is making enough money (where she will ‘retire’ for ‘love’). Normal women want to get married. Wife also includes mistresses.
Manipulator (Clever) – While all women manipulate, this woman lives for nothing else but to manipulate. She dresses, talks, and basically lives a lie. Whether it be a promotion or something else, she uses manipulation as a science. But she is not really smart, only clever. Her perception is at the level where she knows she can manipulate but she doesn’t fully understand how to get men TRULY enslaved.
Traditional (Smart) – Women remain virgins because it allows them to obtain a better husband. Also, it prevents them from becoming single moms which is smart. Religious women are not actually religious but use religion to manipulate the men. How often do you see her reading from the Bible or any serious work? She will do ‘volunteer work’ to make her FEEL all good but it is nothing more than a feeling.
Housewife (Smartest) – Women have effectively retired to live in a stress free suburban house, surrounded by modern technology (so she rarely has to do chores), and spend the time doing whatever she desires. Many women, such as feminists, attack the housewife but that often results from envy.
MAN
Mangina (very stupid) – This guy will be spewing outfeminist lines and propoganda. He has no idea how stupid he is. But, like all stupid people, he feels he is very smart. The smartest people are those that feel they know nothing. Manginas are often gay men and metrosexuals. Political Class men are often Manginas. Manginas are easily manipulated which is why they dominate the Political Class (they make good puppets).
Thug (stupid) – Thugs often end up in prison or something else. Women like thugs because they can be manipulated (and they have no guilt for doing so since thugs are worthless). Remember, even Manginas can get girls (but what does that say?).
Nice Guy (norm) – Contrary to what Mirror of the Soul said, it is important to use the ‘Nice Guy’, etc. terms because it not an illustraion of an action but a label for a certain level of perception. When someone says, “When I was a Nice Guy…” he is referring to a lower perception level, not in the manner he was acting. Most guys are Nice Guys. They believe in Love and will work furiously hard to ‘earn’ a woman’s love. Nice Guys are frustrated because they do not understand women (and admit this). They see women go for thugs or jerks and think, “What in the world!” The purpose of Thugs and Players to women is to be Instant Dildos. The purpose of Nice Guys is to be Instant Husband. Like Instant Rice, Nice Guy is an Instant Husband that a woman can fall back on (HOPEFULLY).
Player (clever) – Just like every level in this perception list, the player believes he is the smartest of all his peers. He is not. He is only clever. There is actually very little difference between the Nice Guy and Player. The Nice Guy is addicted to sex and female praise like water in a desert. Nice Guy resorts to ‘niceness’ as a type of withdrawl symptom. But players are addicted to sex and female praise and seek it out in the highest dosage possible. The difference between the Nice Guy and Player is the difference between the poor crack addict and the rich crack addict.
Jerk (smart) – Jerks are quite smart. Their perception is above the usual female addiction typical of lower perceptions. They are called jerks by women because the jerk cannot be manipulated. Players actually create their ‘strategies’ by studying jerks. Do not confuse a thug with a jerk however. While thugs don’t care about female addiction, they don’t care about anything else either. Jerks are often successful in the world of business.
Loser (smartest) – The Loser is someone who disregards “The Way”. The difference between a Loser and Jerk is that the Jerk is a guy who cannot be manipulated. But a loser is someone who abandons “The Way” altogether. Bill Gates is a loser for he quit Harvard. Steve Jobs was a loser too as he failed college. Michael Dell is a loser as he quit school. It takes enormous strength to not just stop being manipulated but go AGAINST the current, against “The Way” that flows and propels all the Nice Guys to their fish cages. If the Loser keeps pushing upstream, eventually he slips out to the open ocean to true freedom (I know upstream doesn’t lead to the ocean but I like this metaphor so shhh!). Losers are named so by women. If a guy wants to live with a foreign woman, he is called a loser. If a guy wants to not work himself to death and achieve financial freedom, he is called a loser. Losers are smart because they have mastered their emotions, their finances, and their bodies to keep all of them in good shape.
Following YOUR dreams = Loser
Following HER dreams = Winner
If this is the case, I would choose loser every time.
Required reading:
The Predatory Female by Rev. Lawrence Shannon
Sex-ploitation by Matthew Fitzgerald
absolutely fantastic metaphor. I just received a certificate that qualifies me to teach English as a second language overseas. I leave in two days for the Caspian Sea region. I hope I can eventually settle in the region, open a small business, raise a family as an expat, and live a peaceful modest life. I AM ALOSER. Thank God!
very accurate
wicked… thanks for taking your time to write all that down…. great stuff.!
Great points!!!!
However . . . women are not smarter. Examine every great work of literature, science, art, philosophy, engineering, math, politics, ever advancement in civilization etc – it’s all accomplished by men. Even the best cooks are men. Men are like gods!!
“Believes men are the destroyers of Earthly Paradise and attack men to ‘restore’ it.”
Well – honestly, feminists are right in this regard. Men are destroying the environment, our prisons are full violet men, and men caused millions of murders in the wars of the last 100 years. Men aren’t going to like me saying this, but it’s true. If we men are going to take credit for the good we do (and our society doesn’t give us that credit but it’s true that men are responsible for most of the good in the world) then we have to accept the bad we do. Lets be honest about this.
I support the old school feminists who stood simply for equality of opportunity in school and work. And lets be honest here: I get casual sex because of feminism. Think about that. Talk to men who were adults in the 1950s they’ll tell you – American men had two choices for sex: stuck with one woman for life through marriage or prostitution. I’ve been getting casual sex for years. Today, getting a blowjob is a piece of cake (thanks to feminism).
So I support the original goals of feminism. I do not support the radical feminists of today who see men as all evil.
“Career Woman”
A woman should work and pay for herself. All Americans have a right to this choice. That said, women should also take responsibility for themselves and realize that having babies (a lifestyle choice) will mean loss of career. In fact, when you control for women leaving the work force, working less hours, etc to have children, the so called wage gap disappears.
“Wife”
Marriage is unnecessary and against a man’s interests. In marriage, a man sacrifices his strongest biological drive and his dreams in order to serve her biology. Our society, however, strangely views marriage as an advantage for men in which women sacrifice. Nothing could be further from the truth.
“Manipulator”
Women use what they have for their advantage. Can’t blame them. I blame men for allowing themselves to be manipulated. We use game and our wealth and social status to get what we want, they use their wiles to get what they want. To paraphrase Sgt Gunnery Hartman in Full Metal Jacket: they play their games, we play ours.
“Traditional”
Tradition is for believers in superstition. Reason is superior to tradition.
“Housewife (Smartest) – Women have effectively retired to live in a stress free suburban house, surrounded by modern technology (so she rarely has to do chores), and spend the time doing whatever she desires.”
Why have men allowed this to happen? If you get suckered into such a lopsided deal, that is your fault. As a man who engages in negotiation in my business, I admire any woman who can pull that off and feel sad for the man she’s duped.
” Many women, such as feminists, attack the housewife but that often results from envy”
lol. They not only attack the housewife, but when it suits them (a man with a lot of money) they will become the house queen. For instance, Naomi Wolf married a successful man when it suited her needs. She then divorced him after he served her purpose.
“Women like thugs because they can be manipulated “
Women like thugs for the same reason they like rock stars – weak knees, pussy and spine tingle,
“Most guys are Nice Guys.”
I agree. Men make great friends. My male friends are as important to me as family and women. This is something women don’t get. Not understanding it, they call it homo-eroticism. Male friendship is not homo-erotic.
“Following YOUR dreams = Loser
Following HER dreams = Winner”
Great point! That makes me a loser. My married buddies envy me. Their wives hate me.
Is this THE Pook?
Has the King returned?
By the way that comment was epic. Should be it’s own article.
Women are smarter than men
On a man’s financial statement, a girlfriend would be labeled as an ‘expense’ while a wife would be labeled as a ‘liability’. But on a woman’s financial statement, the boyfriend can be labeled as ‘income’ with the husband being an ‘asset’. Men dislike dating for one part it is always money out of their pocket. But imagine if dating was putting money into your pocket, and, if you got the target, you would have an asset? Why, dating would fill your mind day in and day out! You would always be on the hunt for a working asset to acquire or ‘potential asset’ that was young enough to come and bloom to make money (especially if that asset had a college degree). Now, do see how women are smarter than men?
Celebrity worship is something that irritates us Men. Celebrities are not geniuses but quite the opposite! But scratch beneath the surface. Celebrities have money. Celebrities have power. Celebrities own the media. Maybe they aren’t that stupid for how else could they have acquired that? Women look at celebrities as teachers for themselves. Celebrities are mind numbed fools (which puts them in common with women) yet they acquired so much. Women want that so they look at the celebrity as the model, the template to follow. Women often refer to their male admirers as their ‘fan club’.
Intelligence and smart are too different things. A man may be intelligent yet be stupid. Michael Chriton, married five times and divorced four times. He is an intelligent man but pretty stupid. Issac Newton was intelligent. But he was stupid. (see how he pined for this one woman and her daughter(!)) Many men are intelligent. Most are stupid though.
Women are not the emotional ones. They see love in a very calculated manner. It is men who are the emotional ones. It is men who kill themselves over a girl or go bonkers in some other way. It is men who are the saps. The bottom line is when it comes to romance, women use men more than the other way around. Even the men who think they are ‘using her’ really is the other way around. How do I know this? Compare the ‘work’ a player does to the average hot girl. The average hot girl just puts on some ‘hot’ clothes and that is it. The player, meanwhile, spends agonizing amount of time working his ‘game’. This game is like that wooden maze with the mouse (who is the player) and the cheese (the pussy) at the end. But who made the game? The women staring from the outside (as calculated as the scientist).
But what about the lack of spirituality? Surely, men are smarter from abandoning the lowly ordered life! But again, no. Spirituality is something that even a begger can obtain. But a big house, fancy car, and all that, no, only a few can get riches.
Many MRA men have realized that killing yourself for a job is not a smart idea. In fact, the smart thing to do is to have a stress free job with benefits (which women all obtain should they choose to work). Men might say, “But they do not know mathematics and engineering!” Actually, women don’t know the humanities as well. So women changed the humanities to be whatever they felt like studying (feminism got rid of all the dead white male authors for example). So women are popping out with ‘college degrees’ that are worthless. But worthless to WHOM? Why, to many men at businesses who are interested in workers. This type of woman never had any interest in really ‘working’ anyway. She just wanted the status.
In the West, men operate from a Slave Morality (as described by Nieztche). The biggest believers in the Slave Morality are the ‘nice guys’. Nice guys are great for marriage (i.e. slavery) but they are not good, to women, for dates and all. Why? And the ‘thugs’ that men think are losers because they do not operate from the ‘Slave Morality’ mentality, these thugs and ‘scum’ have much in common with western women. Women operate from a Master Morality. Every pretty woman thinks she is a huge celebrity in her little world. Thugs and ‘scum’ (from the male point of view) operate on a Master Morality so they are more in tune with women. From woman’s point of view, nice guys are the ‘losers and scum’ who they must be careful with their words as to not break the slave’s heart. But the thugs appear to be more ‘equals’. When a Nice Guy finds his balls and acts that way to a woman, she is astonished. Now imagine how stunned a slavemaster might be when a slave stood up to him! The slavemaster would think, “Wow, that slave has lots of fight in him. He will make a great slave! He is not broken in yet.” Notice how the thoughts are identical with women?
Women use shame tactics because they work on most men. Women, like little Caesars, can order men about at their will. This is why women are smarter than men.
But what of the single mother who lives in poverty? On first glimpse, yes, she appears very stupid. But actually, she is CLUMSY. One being clumsy is not the same as being stupid. Women aim at the stress free, fun life (which is smart) while many men aim for more-stress, responsible life (which is often stupid). Women want to live to the fullest. She will screw the guy should it be in ‘the moment’. But she got pregnant not because she was stupid but because she was clumsy in not applying birth control. Hence, Planned Parenthood and so many other agendas pushing birth control education (and free birth control) everywhere. Many groups, men and religious groups, believe this is a hedonistic for-the-love-of-sex act. What it is, really, is a calculated for-the-clumsy-women act.
Granted, with both men and women, there are differentiating levels of stupidity and smarts. But, comparing the whole of one gender against the other, women are smarter than men.
Look at how politicians bend to their aim.
Look how they have taken over colleges.
Look at how courts serve them.
All the marriage laws run in a circle around woman, elevating her, while pushing down the man to serve for her. Child payment and assets-taken-by-divorce are really nothing more than legally enslaving a man.
See how, in romance, men are in full anxiety and go to tremendous lengths for a woman (where as she hardly goes to much lengths at all).
Women are smarter than men. You know this was the truth you’ve been fighting against for so long. We cannot improve until we accept this tremendous fact: women won.
“But Pook! Women were not smarter than men throughout most of history? So what happened?” What happened was that women were able to make men stupid and, thus, manipulate them at will. How a man becomes “stupid” to be ripe for “manipulation” is the matriarchy’s great secret and is for another post altogether. And it isn’t what you think.
The comic Jeff Foxworthy realized this truth himself when, as he said, his wife declared that she was hot and he, automatically, got up and turned on the fan. She didn’t ask for the fan to turn on, but he automatically did it. Walking back to the couch, it hit him. “Women are smarter than men,” he realized because they have us working for them.
You had me until Nietzsche. Old Freddie’s tale about the masters and slaves was just that – a tall tale. History his much more complex. I suspect Freddie used that tall tale to seduce young men into his books.
“”Wow, that slave has lots of fight in him. He will make a great slave! He is not broken in yet.”
That’s why women love horses – something big, strong, and wild she can put the bridle on and tame.
“Many groups, men and religious groups, believe this is a hedonistic for-the-love-of-sex act.”
Let the superstitious folks believe what they may. There is nothing wrong with pleasure. Sex is not a sin.
“All the marriage laws run in a circle around woman, elevating her, while pushing down the man to serve for her.”
That’s why men should not marry – at the very least we should educate men as to what really happens in marriage: loss of freedom, loss of sex, loss of dreams, loss of buddies, and a constant, unrelenting battle to avoid being dominated. And he must also battle the media, society, her friends, her family – all of whom pressure him to accept submission and they even pressure HER to be dominant.
Check out HL Mencken’s In Defense of Women. He agrees with you that women are smarter. I respectfully disagree. I think too many men are weak – they’ll do anything to get the pussy because they need it like a baby needs food. And too often the married ones simply cave in and trade their liberty for a little security. And we know what Ben Franklin said about that. Foxworthy doesn’t realize that by behaving has her nest helper, he’s actually turning her off.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/girlfriend-changes-man-into-someone-shes-not-inter,1507/
A primer on THE Pook:
Please publish this separately so I can have it bookmarked.
Agree that men shouldn’t marry. It’s simple enough to game and/or pay for uncomplicated sex, hire a domestic for housework/cooking, find a surrogate to produce children (should you want them), and employ a nanny to take care of those children. No drama or in-laws to deal with, and no loss of dreams and buddies. No dominance crap, either.
Agree that men shouldn’t marry. It’s simple enough to game and/or pay for uncomplicated sex, hire a domestic for housework/cooking, find a surrogate to produce children (should you want them), and employ a nanny to take care of those children. No drama or in-laws to deal with, and no loss of dreams and buddies. No dominance crap, either.
You are 100% correct.Women(in general) are not smarter,never were,never will be.What is mistakenly perceived as women being smarter is merely the result of men’s imagination and hormones.It’s Men who have screwed Men over,not Women.Men enabled Feminism,Marxism and every form of State-slavery.
For every human trait,it is Men who exhibit the greatest spectrum,from the dullest to the smartest,the weakest to the strongest.Nature has designed Men to be this way.
Indeed,Men are in fact ‘specialized females’. In lieu of child bearing we create (and destroy)civilization.
If half of the human species is female then half of human historical achievements(positive and negative) should have have been female(if you believe in equality of the sexes).
Else greater than 50% of Human achievement should have been Female (if it is true that women are smarter).
Instead it appears to be close to 90% male.
To say that just because Women appear to manipulate Men for their own benefit and hence that makes them smarter,is nonsense.It would be like claiming that Sting Rays are smarter than Humans because of what happened to Steve Irwin.
Women are not smarter and they don’t need to be. Men and women are complementary. A libtard can squeeze his sensitive eyes tightly shut and wish and wish to conceive a child in his abdomen, but all he will get is a hernia. A man can make a great father and fatherhood is vital to the welfare of the child but if mankind depended on men to produce babies, we would be gone from the earth in 100 years.
Likewise, if mankind depends on women to advance science, art, philosophy or engineering, we are screwed.
Men create art with their minds. Women with their bodies.
Had to coment on this ALL my friends wives or live in girlfriends hate me with a pasion. So I always make it a point to get them laid behind their backs everychance I get. Always keeping bro code I never confront them just smile and tell them what a great guy they landed.
HOLY FUCK!?! Pook LIVES?!?
They’re not smarter — far from it.
Women are simply selling something (sex) that men need badly. In this sense, women are like drug dealers. This gives her great power over the weak and addicted. Unfortunately, in America today, the weak and addicted man is presented as the norm.
Henry Ford was a smart guy. Not because he could recite literature, history, law, or any of that on the fly but because he could get others to do it for him. When critics accused him of being stupid, he invited journalists in to answer any question. Around him he had his employees who answered all the journalists questions. “See how smart I am?” he would say. But a journalist said, “But Mr. Ford, you didn’t answer a single question.” But he didn’t have to since he had others to do it for him.
From the vantage point of men, women have these characteristics:
-They show no interest in philosophy, literature, or higher spirituality.
-They show interest in celebrities, gossip, and a lowly ordered life (lack of spirituality).
-They appear emotional with lots of ‘oohs and ahhs’ as well as crying on the spot. They have temper tantrums. They appear giddy one moment and contemptous the next.
-They are physically weaker than men and do not perform well in the subjects of mathematics and engineering.
-They turn down ‘nice guys’ and mate with thugs and other scum. Sometimes they become single mothers and end up in poverty.
-When they are young, they think of dating all the time and are always on the look-out for ‘Mr. Right’.
And yet, women are smarter than men. On MRA forums, you can hear men constantly give examples and say how dumb women are almost with a white-hot frenzy. What does women being dumb have to do with MRA? Nothing, yet it persists. The answer is that MRA men are in denial of the truth: that women are smarter than men.
Let us look at the vantage point from the woman. In fact, let us say for this moment you are a pretty woman. You do not need to work. All you need to do is get a guy to work for you. Viola, you are done.
Men’s Projection Is Greatest Weakness
Men and Women are different.
We say this, but then we go on. The biggest mistake men make is projecting themselves onto women. They think that because he feels romantic, that she does as well. So off goes his thoughts into a sweet air of pageantry.
But what are the woman’s thoughts on the matter? Like a cold blooded accountant. Like I said, men and women are different. When a man goes off with his pageantry, his poetries, his odes of love, she waits for him to get done and get down to business. If a guy keeps on with this nonsense, she thinks he is a doofus and continues on.
Imagine if when you bought groceries, the buyer began talking romantically about the ‘green revolution’, about how it is a modern marvel how we can enter a grocery store and find everything we need, of how glorious round the shape and size of the store’s melons, or the shapely way the pears are. The checker would be astonished if customers behaved such a way.
Who knew the key to understanding women would be found in the thought process of accounting?
The values we, as men hold, are completely different than the values women hold. The apex of a woman’s life would be something like relaxing in a hot bubble bath in an island paradise. But men prefer truth, ideals, and victory.
Good and evil do not exist in woman’s lexicon. She is far more utilitarian since ‘good’ and ‘evil’ means a more celestial divine standard. Women who use sexuality as a means to and end is percieved evil by men. But to women, it is percieved entirely differently. What women view as the greatest sin is for men to STEAL the goods. Rape, not murder, not terrorism, not genocide, is the greatest of wrongs to them. It is because rape is stealing their goods. With murder and terrorism, well, that kills mostly men so that is not that bad. But rape is almost always against women. Also, with Victorian zeal, the greatest of crimes is also sex predators (who are, curiously, almost all men). They are always displayed on the nightly news. They often get hit with paying for their crime double by, first, jail time and then being told where they can live and all. I can think of worse crimes than sexual predation such as murder. The reason why they chose sexual predation against the entire Church was, in their eyes, the worst of all crimes.
So why do women love murderers? Go to any prison and you will see beautiful women come and go. Again, men and women are different. When a man commits violence, men consider it ‘evil’. Women do not. In fact, women consider violence to be confidence. If women did not think this way, then why do murderers have such hot girls? The truth points to itself.
Still don’t believe me?
• Over the next decade, women will control two thirds of consumer wealth in the United States and be the beneficiaries of the largest transference of wealth in our country’s history. Estimates range from $12 to $40 trillion. Many Boomer women will experience a double inheritance windfall, from both parents and husband. The Boomer woman is a consumer that luxury brands want to resonate with. – Claire Behar, Senior Partner and Director, New Business Development, Fleishman-Hillard New York
Senior women age 50 and older control net worth of $19 trillion and own more than three-fourths of the nation’s financial wealth. – MassMutual Financial Group–2007
http://www.she-conomy.com/facts-on-women
You really should understand the difference between “controlling” and “owning” they can overlap but one can be mutually exclusive from the other.
Seems you’re saying women manipulate men better than men manipulate women. And I think you may be right. You make good points.
“Good and evil do not exist in woman’s lexicon. She is far more utilitarian since ‘good’ and ‘evil’ means a more celestial divine standard.”
Not necessarily. The concept of evil existed before the revealed religions.
Oh wow. I like how the most traditionalistic gender role for women is also the “smartest”. How convenient for the guys that the smartest thing for women to do is to look after their households and kids?
You are disgusting. You are misogynists. You hate women and their autonomy. It’s not about feminists going too far, it’s about you not going anywhere off your lazy ass.
Nice, this should be an article.
Cheaper in the long run as well…
Puts princess on the knee. Gives a few slaps to the hindside.
Would African-Americans ever consider the KKK to look after their households and kids?
Only in a upside down ,batshit feminist world would it be considered Hate if a Man considers a Woman to be most suitable to take care of His most precious gifts,His children.
Only in a upside down ,batshit feminist world would it be considered heroic to murder the unborn.
Only in a upside down ,batshit feminist world would Gluttony be considered a virtue.
Only in a upside down ,batshit feminist world would mutually consenting sex,if regretful, be equal to forced,physically traumatizing,mentally damaging,morally abhorant rape.
Only in a upside down ,batshit feminist world equal opportunity entail qualified men being replaced by below mediocre women to maintain gender parity.
Well broken down, Pook. 🙂 They have their own smartness, but we should note that the men who do see through these are unassailable.
It’s disgusting to note how many men are willing to reciprocate that by sweating away in dangerous jobs to fund all that. While women want to sit and enjoy controlling her hubby with a sex remote. ‘Put that there, do this, do that … no, I got a headache tonight, I won’t love you anymore, I hate you.’
Well done, matriarchy.
It’s not financially cheaper but would still be worth it to many men.
“This gives her great power over the weak and addicted.”
Okay that’s right for some couples. But this is something that happens a lot when discussing ‘women’—we go to this default archetype of some sexual titan of a female. Most are not that and in America they are grossly asexual due to gluttony and sloth about 85% of the time, post 25. So the power held over men shifts from being sexual 18-25 (even then only a third of the time) to being a cultural power over men. It’s the overall structure that controls men, not some 40 year old fatass and the pockmarks on her thighs that you could find your lost wallet in. We’ve all been overwhelmed by a hot eighteen year old at the same time are hormones were peaking. And when the subject of female sexual power comes up, most of us go waltzing down memory lane, but what about the henpecked 53 year old whose wife is vomit-inducing? It took an entire culture and government behind the wife to maintain power in that case. We’re not all being led around the house by Sofia Vergara wearing her heels and lingerie. So the issue 97 times out of 100 is cultural/governmental and not a case of some guy being fucked into a state of obedience by some porn star body. If only that were true.
tl;dr
I CAN’T BELIEVE GUYS HAND THEIR LIVES OVER TO WOMEN THAT THEY DON’T EVEN WANT TO SEE NAKED.
I think you’re making a bit of a misread there. A lot of your ‘women being smarter than men’ is actually just chivalry STILL playing a huge part in our culture. Men set up chivalry and have honored it. By your logic, a house pet is smarter than its owner too. That dog that doesn’t work and only plays fetch and gets food handed to it, is smarter than the owner, or just chosen as something of value?
About 5% of women past the age of 25 ‘create art with their bodies.’
Let’s not forget Doris the Radio Shack Cashier who loves her Fanta and Twizzlers.
the men that get into Govt. positions are beta males that wouldn’t last five minutes in private enterprise… it’s their joy to ues their power to defend the poor females from the alphas they despise (but secretly want to be)
How do you know they want to be the alpha male? Are you a mind reader?
That’s interesting. I’ve never thought of that.
Ever notice that women will not vote for a promiscuous bachelor? And if a married politician has sex with a non-spouse, they’ll throw him to the wolves. Back in the day, the male journalists didn’t care about FDR’s, Eisenhower’s, and JFK’s mistresses. It’s irrelevant to the job they do. In the 2012 campaigns, every presidential candidate had to walk on stage with his wife and children and say the right words to demonstrate his dominated / beta status — as if one’s marital status is somehow relevant to the job they’re applying for.
You’re just here to argue. You’re not gonna change anyone’s mind here so just GTFO.
I guess you can’t take the arguing huh? That’s very “masculine” of you.
Shame on, girl. Shame on….
It’s relevent in that they demonstrate self-discipline and maturity in the traditional sense.
Of course, making yourself attractive to modern women requires tremendous self-discipline but society hasn’t understood that yet.
In a world where only manginas get married, PUA’s will rule all. Game is training the next generation of politicians. This is a good thing because the sociopathic manipulators and narcissists will have to compete with some normal men who learned through game what comes naturally to the mental defectives.
Your ridiculous standard would have resulted in the ousting of FDR and Eisenhower — perhaps two of the greatest leaders in US history — both of whom had mistresses.
Yes but it would have resulted in the ousting of Clinton also, which would have prevented Shrillary 2016.
*tips fedora*
Protip: real men aren’t misogynists. you supposed alphas don’t impress anyone but each others.
You can work on being a real woman, thanks. We’ll figure out the real men.
He is. He knows quite well that all men would like to work hard and have a harem at their command.
FDR fucked everything up.
Didn’t you mean;
*tips the scales* ?
The current situation benefits men at the top who make up the rules, not ordinary guys who are paid to enforce the rules.
Check out the Vitaly video for the difference a nice car makes.
The current situation benefits men at the top who make up the rules, not ordinary guys who are paid to enforce the rules.
Check out the Vitaly video for the difference a nice car makes.
Because most of the men who run things have unattractive wives (because most women in America post-25 have zero sexual worth) so the men are just in this autopilot, thoughtless zone of catering to women 24/7 because maybe, somehow, that will get them a taste of some of that under 150 pound good stuff even though they have no idea how it will happen.
High Fructose Corn Syrup is at the very root of every problem in the USA.
—HFCS leads to fat women
—Fat women lead to thirsty men
—Thirsty men develop supplication as default/auto-pilot behavior
—Women naturally want to vote for emotion-issue democrats
—Thirsty husbands offer no resistance to their wife’s vote because they are thirsty.
—Democrats cater even further to women’s emotions to maintain their vote
—Civilization ends due to Democrat Party emotional pandering in place of rational government
this is what MRAs actually believe
Are you saying it isn’t true? OR that this is just what they believe.
Thus proving the point of why women are so amazing. We are defended and men are not. Well said!!!
Or proving how pathetic they are that they need protection.
Apparently, your right to eat 8 times more calories per day than your body needs is also defended.
It really is lose-lose, isn’t it? Letting her beat on you “proves” women are superior or at least equal, but fighting back makes you a subhuman abuser of women.
Hit back. 🙂
Watch your grammar tho.
Viva Beta Males!
The male privilege checklist, hosted on the website of one of the best technical universities in the world. A place where the brightest of men strive for knowledge.
I cannot express this shame in words.
Number one privilege that woman have that men have literally killed for is:
As long as she isn’t obese or deformed a woman can have sex with attractive members of the opposite sex at any time they want without any hassle and minimal work. Basically fucking is a decision for the them.
Men around the world have blown themselves up in the slim hope that pussy exists in an alternate dimension. No woman has ever strapped bombs on themselves and pulled the trigger for the promise of cock.
Haha, nice Joe Rogan line there.
Biology. Unfortunate but true.
and it’s our fault that men are such horny shits?
yeah… also have you ever been a woman? if not, you might not want to comment on how easy sex lives are as one.
well coming from a a tranny I don’t think you should be speaking up either
No, it’s your fault for using that to extract all his cash, gifts, and other resources. 😛
Are you serious? it’s harder for a male to get sex from a female then then vice versa
You know, sweetie, for someone so exquisitely sensitive to others disapproving of your sexuality, you certainly seem to have no problem condemning that of others.
i can almost hear that “yeah….” why do they always do that? “soooo…” is that supposed to be cute? because noone trying to make a serious point sounds like a f**kn teenage girl while doing it. end of.
damn bro preach
That’s because men will give in at any chance presented.
Woman: “I want to have sex”
Man: *fucking rolls over and shits himself*
Come on guys, think about something else for once.
Woman: “I want to have sex”
Man: “fucking rolls over and shits himself from the exertion of lifting her massive Asian gunt*
Because Asians usually have massive gunts.
lol
I don’t get your point..? Are you saying that women should sleep with any man that approaches them asking for sex, just because (according to you) that’s how it works when women approach men? Why are you so desperate for sex? JUST GO AND HAVE A WANK. I don’t understand what the problem is here! There’s no need to blow yourself up just because you need to have an orgasm
I do agree that if a man is in good shape his gf/wife should be as well, but I don’t think it hurts for the media to encourage overweight women to get themselves into shape safely. I don’t agree that the media caters to female egos either, or else we would see more overweight women play heroines in the movies, and overweight women posing as Victoria’s Secret models.
Women don’t aspire to be overweight.
Nor do women, collectively, want to watch movies in which women have agency
When did I say women aspire to be overweight? Quote me. And why wouldn’t women want to watch movies in which they have agency?
Yet another feminist doesn’t understand media.
Media is aspirational and women don’t aspire to have agency.
What do you mean media is aspirational? You didn’t answer my question either. Why wouldn’t women aspire to have agency?
“women don’t aspire to have agency”
I think that women do desire agency in that they want the ultimate power to accept alpha advances and not have to answer to or deal with beta men.
Well, I don’t think that’s the case since women are hugely reliant on beta men (I don’t really like this word/concept to be honest) for resources and their continued willingness to throw their livelihood at them. If they chose to alpha up (which I basically define as taking the red pill with regards to women) and start combating their inner “nice guy” which is really just a symptom of a childhood where their own preferences didn’t matter, were overruled to a large extent in favor of women (mothers, female teachers, girls) mixed with the cultural programming.
Could be more articulate, but there.
Women don’t aspire to have agency? Then how is it that American women so dominate and rule over American men?
Why is it that American women have so dominated men that American women have the choice of not working?
You have to respect American women for what they’ve accomplished. They’ve managed to convince American men to forgo their greatest biological desire (have sex with multiple), work their lives away to support her greatest biological desire (to breed), while entering into a contract entitling her to half of everything he makes and owns.
That is what I call agency!!!
You’ve made your point, dude. Many, MANY times. I think just about everyone here agrees with you. But you’re really starting to sound like a broken record. Maybe come up with something new if you’re going to post dozens of comments in each thread?
Maybe its Mint Chocolate Chip in disguise.
Are you the thread police? Or does it pain you to hear the truth?
You’re so diplomatic.
The hero/heroine has to impress the audience, neither men or women will be impressed by a fat heroine.
As for victoria’s secret, it’s basic marketing, your product will be associated with what you present it with. Unattractive women will make your product less attractive as well.
Well duh, that’s a no-brainer considering Victoria’s Secret is after a profit. My point was however, that the media doesn’t cater to women’s egos like this article claims it does.
Come on, take a step back and look again.
If it did, companies like Victoria’s Secret would have no problem hiring plus size models.
Decreased profit would be a problem.
Oh the irony…
No you have it wrong. They are the true alphas because they listen to what women want and do exactly that.
But don’t their wants contradict what they say?
The only “gender privilege” is female privilege, what they identify as “male privilege” is more like “freedom from privilege”.
Women get jobs because they have vaginas–>men are seen as more competent.
Women can take their pick of men–>men can be proud of their sexual prowess.
Women get paid for sex–>men can see lots of porn
Etc., etc. these bitches are dishonest retards
Can you offer proof of your first two claims?
We aren’t here to educate you, shitlord.
Really civilized to resort to insults just because you can’t make your case–sounds like you’re not educated enough to pass on knowledge to anyone.
You aren’t very bright, are you? You’ll notice that you asked that question of someone else.
This is a space for men. Get lost.
Feminist does not mean “woman.” Educate yourself–seriously.
My comment stands.
Just because you can’t handle an argument? That’s really “masculine” of you. Haha, not really.
Let me try and clarify. Not all women are Feminists, not all Feminists are women. But a Man can never be a Feminist.
How do you define man?
Man. Capital M.
Masculine and of the male sex. You ever see a male Feminist who your average person on the street would call masculine?
I guess I missed the class in school where man in general was capitalized, but yes actually I have met male feminists who have a sense of masculinity about them, but they know how to control themselves.
I wasn’t using the capitalised version to refer to men in general, and I’ve never met a male Feminist who I would describe to be in any way masculine. I guess you and I have different standards in that regard.
Ah, so now you’re admitting that there are different types of masculinity, and not just the kind that’s praised on this site? Good for you!
Ah, so now you’re admitting that there are different types of masculinity, and not just the kind that’s praised on this site? Good for you!
Is that how you interpreted that? No, the requirements for masculinity have stayed largely the same over the years, but some peoples thresholds are different and some people get the definition wrong.
Not a place for feminist men, either.
I thought a little about what you meant … then I realized he’d be doing it to get them in bed.
See the job selection lists anywhere.
Ha ha. So you are taking issue with; ‘Women can have their pick of men’? Not true in your case, I’m guessing.
Second pic made me throw up. A lot.
Me too. Seriously 2wycked that was really over the top
Grabbing popcorn. Preparing for the inevitable onslaught of bloviated invective from the throngs of mediocre unattractive fatties that think they are really accomplishing something in life…
lol this website seems to be run by a sad group of self-hating homosexual men or men w really incredibly small penises lol or mommy issues wow who has time for this bs its f’n 2014
Cool story sis
actually im a man dude
Sorry. Cool story mangina.
You had it right the first time.
Gee maybe “it” is cisgendered. Is that the right term? Maybe I meant Heteronormative. Jeez I just cant keep up with all these new internet words. Am I being cognitively dissonent???
I always cringe when people use “it’s the year of ____, therefore everything you say is wrong and I can belittle and insult you and feel good about it afterwards without ever having to make a case”. So convincing.
Your homophobia is showing, feminist
Oh, and you’re incredibly unoriginal with your insults, also.
I’ve seen better trolls.
~u cant have a king w/o a queen~ so treat ur queens right evryone!! women are beautiful, men are beautiful enjoy this life god bless ~
Quadruple posting? Are you an 85 year old man who can’t figure out that he’s already posted a comment here?
we r all humans let us males not use our dicks to be dicks ok
In English, please.
y is this community of men humans hating on women so hard???????? like do u really feel like ur power is slipping from underneath u r u that insecure u need to just shame women all day long? jesus
OR~~~~~~ u all are closeted, self-hating homosexuals and/or have 1 in. penises. DO THE MATH (or mommy issues)
Homophobic much, feminist?
like, if u hate women so much just dont talk to them and fuck dudes instead. everyone can then be happy and u wont have to funnel so much of ur dick energy into being a hater!!! achieve happiness- its out ther n u dont have to hate as much
like if u are so repulsed by women then why bother??? u can just fuck other things that are alive u feel me? why fuck something that repulses u?
They aren’t secure enough to get with the women that they’re insulting.
Gay.
this is god speaking, btw
I thought you were “FeministForLife” about 10 minutes ago.
i am god
No, I am God… before God was God.
like be a human and DONT rape anyone wtf
would YOU want to be raped?? dont do it!!
Life for the average America male under 40 is certainly in a precarious position. If you want marriage and children, you must essentially gamble your life, economic freedom and sanity In hopes that some woman will stay loyal to you and not one day decide that there are ‘irreconcilable differences.’
I don’t know if I necessarily feel “bad” about this whole situation. I do feel for the poor fools who’ve have had their souls crushed by a woman they thought “loved” them. (I knew several guys in the Marines who became almost suicidal when they found out their beloved wife was nothing but a cheap whore)
Anyway, I feel the modern environment requires males to be careful when dealing with any woman. Control your seed. Control your money. Control your emotions. If you can do those things, you have a decent chance.
if ur partner ends up wanting a divorce just fucking move on w ur life jeez find someone else
Yeah, doesn’t matter if you have to let her everything you owned, doesn’t matter if you was the one who earned it all, doesn’t matter if you got raped in divorce court.
It doesn’t matter at all, go find someone else
Posting like a 15 year old girl on an iphone doesn’t give much credit to your oh so wise advice.
go see a therapist if u were hurt rly bad and the person happened to be a woman who hurt u. theres help out there! dont stay mad and pathetic! be happy
fucking net speak. low brow.
“1. Women Are The Authority In The Domestic Sphere”
Weak American men allow their women to have complete control over their domestic space, their marriage, the bedroom, and the finances. This is not the fault of women. This is the fault of men because American men are afraid of their women, they need sex like a baby needs food, and they can’t brook the thought of their woman being fucked by another man. So these poor bastards like slaves accept submission.
“2. Media Caters To And Soothes Female Egos”
The media wants to make money. The media makes money by selling advertisement. Thus, those who run the media know that weak American men allow their women control the finances and thus that American women do the household spending. Therefore, the media and television cater to women. Also, those who run the media know American men allow their women to have the lifestyle choice of not working, therefore the media knows that morning and daytime TV watchers are women and thus carters to women.
“3. The Relationship/Divorce Industry Is Staunchly Pro-Woman”
This is sadly true. In most states, child support is determined, not by the needs of the child, but by the income of the “father.” I put father in quotes because American fathers are not treated as fathers – but as ATM machines. Child support is therefore a means of alimony providing women with the lifestyle option of not working (an option most men do not enjoy).
However, that said, men pretty much control legislation and the judiciary. The legal field is male dominated. So, once again, this is the fault of American men who’ve allowed this to happen.
Stop blaming women. Little boys blame other for problems little boys create. Men point the finger at themselves and take responsibility for problems they’ve created.
Men have not banded together, in the way women have, and systematically caused some sort of reform. Most of the laws created by ‘men’ were really just by the people and for the people.
It is really only very recently that we have any sort of ‘man-consciousness’ that may allow us to attempt any reform.
But the notion that men as a collective should have held it down, is probably valid. I think what happened was… well I’m not entirely sure what happened. Maybe we pussied out?
The operative reason is of course that we needed women for sex (and thus reproduction) and thus without them this race wouldn’t survive. But then again we need men for sex (and reproduction) too…
Weird, I’m just thinking out loud.
You have to admire American women for the way in which they’ve so effectively and completely dominated American men.
They get drinks bought for them, free dinners, the media caters to them, they have the lifestyle choice of not working, when a woman goes missing or is charged with a crime she gets 24/7 CNN coverage. And not only do they have the lifestyle choice of not working, but American men will enter into a contract with them in which she is entitled to half of everything he makes and owns — so that, she gets the luxury of not working and he is obligated to pay for her.
In fact, she’s so clever, she has so completely dominated her man that she has convinced him (and he’s so dumb he actually believes this fraud) that not working is a burden!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Fucking well said.
You are kinda preaching to the choir here pal. Thats sort of the whole purpose of this site. To inform and educate males.
Dooin all I can to help.
But this site all too often blames women. If its not the fault of women that they accept the status of privileged queens. We too would accept that status if offered to us.
The first step is for men to point the finger at themselves and accept responsibility for being pussies and allowing themselves to be controlled by women and pussy.
And I take this personally. The women I have to deal with, the women I want to bang, are spoiled by other men and quite often very difficult to deal with.
Thank you.
Indeed. And this…
…includes some of us here in the manosphere, as well. As men, we should always be prepared to take that hard look in the mirror and make self-improvement our first step.
I agree. We’re all guilty, especially when we’re young.
By the way, bravo on this (which was my take when I first saw it in 1999):
“The life he’s shoehorned himself into is a life that no longer works for men in a compromised modern era of feminist-orchestrated gender politics and marriage as a one-sided contract which the male had better uphold down to the fine print, but which his wife can feel free to break and abuse in accordance with whichever self-justifying whim is guiding her in a given week.”
I’m not convinced this was the filmmakers’ unintended message. It’s impossible it was an accident. I think they were well aware they were saying it but softened it with the candy coating of other more fashionable themes palatable to the American public and media. Had that been the overt, in your face message, Beauty have been lampooned and rejected. It was brilliant. The story of a modern man breaking free from the Gynocracy.
You haven’t thought things through enough. You speak of men as needing to ‘man up’ and stop being beta’s — What does that mean exactly?
In marriage manning up, or ‘putting your foot down’, can mean your wife pushes the button and destroys your finances and runs off with the kids
In relationships, well, lulz, not even going to talk about them because all of the quality women eventually want kids and will find a to go from relationship to family mode
If you’re talking about the guy’s I know who are in “LTR” in their 30’s, well, their gf’s are typically used up he-man looking femmes
So I understand that it feels good to a childish mind and the inherent ‘optimist’ inside of us all to say that the problem is ‘us men’, but it really isn’t. Well, MGTOW is a solution that actually seems to work and in that respect we’re responsible, but I get the feel you have the neo-con ‘Man Up’ built into
So.. Men put your foot down = get divorced if married
Refuse marriage but still date = end up with low quality women and a very unfulfilling, childish life
MGTOW = Most likely the right answer, but this is because we stop believing the ‘Man Up’ hype
This is a condition foisted on men, through courts/top-down social engineering. Eventually the situation became ‘resist’ and get ganged by #teamwoman, ‘resist’ and have your kids hate you, resist and have your professional life destroyed, etc. The ‘man up’ is what people always have to say
And no, I don’t blame ‘women’ like this site. I blame a certain tribe that has worked, is working, and will work, to always promote the ideals that we battle here as men. Real talk
You haven’t thought things through enough. You speak of men as needing to ‘man up’ and stop being beta’s — What does that mean exactly?
In marriage manning up, or ‘putting your foot down’, can mean your wife pushes the button and destroys your finances and runs off with the kids
In relationships, well, lulz, not even going to talk about them because all of the quality women eventually want kids and will find a to go from relationship to family mode
If you’re talking about the guy’s I know who are in “LTR” in their 30’s, well, their gf’s are typically used up he-man looking femmes
So I understand that it feels good to a childish mind and the inherent ‘optimist’ inside of us all to say that the problem is ‘us men’, but it really isn’t. Well, MGTOW is a solution that actually seems to work and in that respect we’re responsible, but I get the feel you have the neo-con ‘Man Up’ built into
So.. Men put your foot down = get divorced if married
Refuse marriage but still date = end up with low quality women and a very unfulfilling, childish life
MGTOW = Most likely the right answer, but this is because we stop believing the ‘Man Up’ hype
This is a condition foisted on men, through courts/top-down social engineering. Eventually the situation became ‘resist’ and get ganged by #teamwoman, ‘resist’ and have your kids hate you, resist and have your professional life destroyed, etc. The ‘man up’ is what people always have to say
And no, I don’t blame ‘women’ like this site. I blame a certain tribe that has worked, is working, and will work, to always promote the ideals that we battle here as men. Real talk
You haven’t thought things through enough. You speak of men as needing to ‘man up’ and stop being beta’s — What does that mean exactly?
In marriage manning up, or ‘putting your foot down’, can mean your wife pushes the button and destroys your finances and runs off with the kids
In relationships, well, lulz, not even going to talk about them because all of the quality women eventually want kids and will find a to go from relationship to family mode
If you’re talking about the guy’s I know who are in “LTR” in their 30’s, well, their gf’s are typically used up he-man looking femmes
So I understand that it feels good to a childish mind and the inherent ‘optimist’ inside of us all to say that the problem is ‘us men’, but it really isn’t. Well, MGTOW is a solution that actually seems to work and in that respect we’re responsible, but I get the feel you have the neo-con ‘Man Up’ built into
So.. Men put your foot down = get divorced if married
Refuse marriage but still date = end up with low quality women and a very unfulfilling, childish life
MGTOW = Most likely the right answer, but this is because we stop believing the ‘Man Up’ hype
This is a condition foisted on men, through courts/top-down social engineering. Eventually the situation became ‘resist’ and get ganged by #teamwoman, ‘resist’ and have your kids hate you, resist and have your professional life destroyed, etc. The ‘man up’ is what people always have to say
And no, I don’t blame ‘women’ like this site. I blame a certain tribe that has worked, is working, and will work, to always promote the ideals that we battle here as men. Real talk
You must be referring to these pussified fucks that always tell me “happy wife, happy life”. Funny, they dont look all that happy to me.
“I would be nothing without her”
“What the boss wants the boss gets”
“I’ll be in the doghouse if I don’t get home now”
“I better toe the line or I’ll be on the couch tonight” (even though he bought the house and bed.
These poor bastards advertise their submission with pride!!!!
A high price to pay to get your dick wet a few times a week.
It’s a few times a week before marriage and during the first couple of years. But then as she slowly domesticates him and dominates him she loses sexual attraction toward him and the sex disappears.
Best way to lose the respect of any man of value.
… a year.
not only in the US.
I’ve heard men in my social circles refer to their women as “boss” far too often.
I’d be ashamed to call my girl my “boss”.
Try this experiment. When you’re asked how the marriage is going, say: “Well, [pause, grin] she hasn’t killed me yet.” You’ll get laughs and knowing looks.
But then in a different group, say this: “Well, [pause, grin] I haven’t killed her yet.” Note the reaction.
as soon as there is a child in the house… at least the first 2-3 years after birth, the woman is IN CHARGE, and the man helps out… this completely shifts the power balance in the home and by the time it comes to restore it…. she’s thoroughly used to calling the shots in terms of child care, and thoroughly used to having the husband defer to her… she then leverages that into all other areas of the relationship…. a part of this is caused by the absence of extended family females who would normally help the mother with childcare while the husband steers clear….
none the less…. as soon as there is a child it’s HER house, HER word that must be acted upon, sometimes almost instantly… (eg. 4am child is sick etc)…
it’s not directly the man’s fault that this shit occurs… having a kid is not an easy thing to do… and the women leverage it for all they are worth….
on top of that women are experts at emoting, and winding the men up, so that one angry word, one bad row, one big confrontation and now the man is THE BAD GUY…. she’s got one over on him for ever now…
A man needs a PhD. is psychology and 10 years on the job experience to counter this…. he’d have to be a mega turbo charged player….. to avoid having the women get one over on him in a domestic situation with kids involved…
So you’re saying a man should be able to do whatever he wants in this situation?
LOL
We may disagree politically (I proudly call myself a liberal) but you’re obviously a master in this area.
I’ve witnessed several good buddies fall down that path — otherwise, good, strong, smart, well educated men. Many were players with decent game in their day. Today, when 6PM hits, they run from the bar like scared children going home to mommy. If she calls, they’ll run outside to take the call as they’re afraid the wife will find out he’s having fun with his buddies. And they’ll lie to her about what they’re doing. I’ve directed these dudes to read Rollo Tomassi at The Rational Male who I think has it down.
I would also add that it’s also the law’s fault: once children enter the picture, she knows she can take the kids away from him, force him out of his home, and have a court force him to pay alimony (disguised as child support) which will drain him (and he will be charged with a crime if he doesn’t pay). This gives her solid leverage in all domestic power negotiations most of which she will win. And she also has the jealousy / affair card she can and will very subtly play. Nothing scares a man like the thought of his woman being fucked by another dude.
Men should know all this before getting married and having children. Sadly, most do not and it comes as a shock when she begins to domesticate and dominate him.
As said before, you’re naive. Men using PUA mind-games with their wife for their entire marriage won’t work and is still a beta supplicating to his master
As said before, you’re naive. Men using PUA mind-games with their wife for their entire marriage won’t work and is still a beta supplicating to his master
As said before, you’re naive. Men using PUA mind-games with their wife for their entire marriage won’t work and is still a beta supplicating to his master
Like a little boy, you’re thumping your chest calling yourself an alpha.
Like a little boy, you’re thumping your chest calling yourself an alpha.
Like a little boy, you’re thumping your chest calling yourself an alpha.
Like a little boy, you’re thumping your chest calling yourself an alpha.
Like a little boy, you’re thumping your chest calling yourself an alpha.
Like a little boy, you’re thumping your chest calling yourself an alpha.
Like a little boy, you’re thumping your chest calling yourself an alpha.
Like a little boy, you’re thumping your chest calling yourself an alpha.
“1. Women Are The Authority In The Domestic Sphere”
The household should function under the direction of both man and woman. One should not be more powerful than the other. When you get married you gain a life partner, not an employee. If one person becomes more dominant than the other that is because the submissive party allows it to happen. We all have free will and the power to dictate our own lives. Having said that, there is nothing wrong with a woman valuing educating herself or earning a career. I feel that many women are pressured into “having it all.” But the truth is, you have to do whatever makes you happy. If you want to work hard and focus on your career that is your choice. If you prefer to stay at home and take care of the kids and household while your partner works, that is your choice as well. But in a relationship, both people need to come into agreement as to what is best for the family unit. It’s called communication. And as for you remark to single mothers, what about those women that have no choice? Widows, those who happened to sleep with men that didn’t intent to stick around but didn’t feel the need to abort their child, those whose husband asked THEM for divorce? Not all single mothers CHOOSE to be single mothers, it’s unfair for you to judge them so.
“2. Media Caters To And Soothes Female Egos”
So? This site caters and soothes the male ego. lol Who the fuck cars what the media says? Have you watched the news lately? Any form of TV lately? It’s all crap. A person should be smart enough to have his/her own opinions without being influenced by what the general crowd believes. Be an individual and define yourself as you see fit. Why would you want to be with or even associate with someone that takes what the media feeds them and treats it as gospel? Blaming the media for the way people behave is like blaming video games for violence. We each make a conscious decision as to who we want to be, as one of the other articles in this blog to eloquently explained…
“3. The Relationship/Divorce Industry Is Staunchly Pro-Woman”
Get a pre-nup. And actually, it depends. There are plenty of numbers that place women in poverty after divorce because many stop working once they get married. When divorce finally happens they’ve been out of the work force for years, with little experience, and they have to resort to low paying jobs to make ends meet. But again, you want to protect yourself, just get a pre-nup.
Cool story sis.
#walloftext #cantbefucked
#Lol
“If one person becomes more dominant than the other that is because the submissive party allows it to happen. We all have free will and the power to dictate our own lives. ”
I agree with you. However . . .
” feel that many women are pressured into ‘having it all.’”
You’ve contradicted yourself. I agree that it’s a man’s fault if he allows himself to be dominated — as most American men are today, but it’s a woman’s fault if she allows societal forces to control her.
“Get a pre-nup. And actually, it depends.”
Just don’t get married — as the marriage contract is an absurdity. Imagine a friend demanding a friendship contract? The marriage contract is about money and property — it’s a little like prostitution.
“You’ve contradicted yourself. I agree that it’s a man’s fault if he allows himself to be dominated — as most American men are today, but it’s a woman’s fault if she allows societal forces to control her.”
Absolutely. I wasn’t placing blame on just society. We choose to be influenced. This is like men feeling pressured to be the sole provider in the household. That’s a lot of work. I mean, I appreciate a man wanting to take care of me, but he shouldn’t face the economic burden alone. We all have something to give.
Lately, guys also feel pressured to live up to a certain standard of “masculinity.” What gives other men the right to judge or criticize your manliness? People are way to concerned with how society sees them and not enough about the way they view themselves.
Please someone ban here…
‘Lately, guys also feel pressured to live up to a certain standard of “masculinity.” What gives other men the right to judge or criticize your manliness? People are way to concerned with how society sees them and not enough about the way they view see themselves.’
The only reason men attempt to live up to said standards of masculinity, is none other than to obtain ‘sex’ and ‘love’.
Without said masculine traits, it is simply not possible to get our needs met, the opposite sex is not willing to a) step outside of themselves and look inside someone else b) reach out to other people c) ‘move’.
Thus we do all the work.
her*
It’s not other men we’re concerned about judging us for not being masculine enough. Feminists are always pushing this. “We want to free men from having to be masculine.” Great. But what they don’t mention is that if a guy buys into that, no woman is going to want to have anything to do with him. Women DO NOT want to date feminine guys.
For what? An opposing or challenging point?
She’s engaging in rational debate — something men should welcome.
Agreed. I have absolutely no problem with someone who actually wants to have a rational debate about these issues.
I agree with my friends Travis and James: men act masculine and offer to work for you because they want sex from you (note men never offer to work for their friends). And, sadly, women don’t give sex to non-masculine men who aren’t willing to work for them. George Clooney and Tom Brady will get lots of sex, as they’re masculine, wealthy, and have high social status. Women will throw themselves at them. The unemployed skinny math geek with narrow shoulders will, sadly, get no sex — even though he’s one of the nicest guys you could know. Such a man will sadly have to turn to prostitution — and if he’s caught he will be prosecuted.
I didn’t say not to be masculine. I just think we value too much these superficial titles and expected behaviors. Life is not easy, but you shouldn’t just conform to a norm because it’s how you think you will get what you want. Protect and defend your character. It’s not other people’s lives that will be affected, it is yours. And ideally, you will be with a woman that appreciates you for you, not for whatever person you pretend to be. Putting on a mask will certainly doom whatever relationship you enter, because it’s not really you. Another reason why divorce happens.
“She/he is not the person I married.” Well not kidding… they were just putting on a show to get the goal.
And that’s a shame. Women have created this culture instead on focusing on the the things that really matters:
Does he love me?
Is he a good man?
Will he help provide for a family if we choose to have one?
Will he stay by my side?
“Ideally, you will be with a woman that appreciates you for you.”
The problem is that this is not an ideal world. It never will be. Women want masculine guys. Which is completely natural. There’s nothing wrong with changing or bettering yourself to get what you want. That’s what you’re doing by going to school, right? If men want to be with women (and most men do) what’s wrong with encouraging them to be more masculine, which will allow them to GET the women they desire? It would be like someone saying “Louisa, you shouldn’t have to go to school. You’re perfectly fine just the way you are. In an ideal world, you’d find an employer who values you, for you.” It’s a nice thought, but it’s probably not going to happen.
And right here you’ve just gotten to the crux of why this site exists. The men here have tried being the guy you described. It just doesn’t get you very far in this culture anymore. And when those “good men” end up getting left in the dust, while they see women fawning all over the players and the douche bags, they become bitter and say, “Screw it. If you can’t beat ’em, join ’em.” Which is why you see guys here embracing their inner player and/or douche. Men are just trying to give women what their actions and choices tell us they want. And from my personal experience, it works like a charm. When I started taking the advice of guys like Roosh and Roissy, women’s interest in me skyrocketed, almost overnight. Sad, but true.
lol I see your point, I really do, but I think relationships are a little different than employers. (And yes, of course I’m going to school to improve my professional prospects!)The human heart is not easily compartmentalized or explained. I mean, men work out, get haircuts, dress nice, and use cologne to attract women. But misinterpreting certain personality traits, those that will eventually revert back to their natural state, is a bit useless. Think of it this way, have you ever dated a girl that started off really sweet and caring and once a formal relationship was established turned the tables on you?
I once dated a guy that engaged me in several political topics, and even though we didn’t always see eye-to-eye there was nothing totally off the mark. Then we actually did get serious and I found out he hated black people, especially black women. Not that I’m comparing masculinity to racism, just making a point. That was a personality trait on his part that I was blinded to, by him, on purpose.
A well known fact of life is, ‘never listen to what a woman says. Pay attention only to what she DOES.’
This “female” is showing that right now in “her” comments. She is describing a neutered, spine-less, beta as the type of man she thinks men should aspire to be. However….pause…she would never actually spread her legs for him.
I wouldn’t waste time going back and forth with a woman on this topic. Women are notorious for saying she wants a certain type of man, and then spreading her legs for the EXACT opposite of that.
Thank you for generalizing an entire gender with such class. It’s not like men seek out the “wife” material only to bang the fist “attractive” hussie that puts out easy.
If he has lots of money and she’s looking for a man to support her (so she doesn’t have to work) and help her raise babies, she will spread for the submissive, effeminate nice-guy man.
Who gets your juices flowing? Mr. effeminate nice guy? Or masculine dominating man with lots money, expensive car and clothes?
Be honest.
I’m not saying a man should “pretend” to be more masculine. I’m saying he should be encouraged to work at BEING more masculine. And stay that way. It would be like telling a guy to work out, because women like guys who are in shape. I’m not telling him to hide his flabby body by wearing lose clothes until they get married. I’m telling him to actually work out and BECOME more fit. And stay that way.
That’s partly what we’re rebelling against. The feminists want us all to believe that we’re all perfect just the way we are. It’s not true. We’re NOT perfect. No one is. If you want something, you need to work at it. If an overweight woman wants to snag a quality man, telling her platitudes in order to make her feel good isn’t helping. Telling her to get into the gym and better herself is. Same thing with masculinity. Guys actually buy it when women like yourself tell them that, “women will love you just the way you are.” And when those guys find out that it’s a lie, they get angry and bitter. My observation has been that women want the lie that will make them feel good. Men want the cold, hard truth. Even if it makes them feel bad. And the truth is that you’re attracted to masculine men. Be honest with guys about that.
A mix. I like a man that is physically stronger than me, has his “guy persona,” and is at least employed. I’ve dated men with big bank accounts, but in the end they were hollow people that believed things should always go their way because they have money. I think a man with a modest career appreciates the value of life a little more. But… I also like a guy that can tell me what kind of wine he’s in the mood for, or one that can comfort me when things get crappy. However, this is in regard to a relationship. If we’re just talking about a fling, then masculine guy always wins. I should mention though, there are some women out there that are pretty dominatrix-like… and they usually go for the betas.
Someone needs to ban you too.
Agreed. Mod?
How about for adding nothing of value and being argumentative for the sake of being argumentative. Like all females. This is our site. You go to Jizzabel.
I guess you conveniently missed the points I agreed with, because they were rational and sound. You have selective eyesight.
And some of us dont even give a fuck about bitches anymore. We are just sick of paying our hard earned tax dollars supporting them.
Same old shit. Alpha Fucks, Beta Bux. Ban this bitch already.
You are on a website for MEN ONLY. What part of that cant you understand? Your IP address will be banned. Save your pedantic debating skills for your cheesy little university classes. We are grown ups here, not little students in a classroom. GTFO already.
And yet I get the feeling that if a female oriented blog banned male visitors from posting you’d scream bloody murder. But you’re right. The About page does clearly say that women and homosexuals will be banned from commenting… You’ll get your wish sooner or later. Even though, and I’ll say it again, I think anyone who expresses such strong and exclusive opinions on the internet should be ready to support and defend them.
“The only reason men attempt to live up to said standards of masculinity, is none other than to obtain ‘sex’ and ‘love’.”
I can understand that. It’s a little sad that is has to be that way, but society has made it so.
And not to sound sexist or anything but in the animal kingdom it is usually up to the female who she mates with. She gets first choice, she gets to turn down, she determines where the species will end up. Males have always been fighting for mating rights. That is the way of nature. If anything, it is human society that has warped this into being about love and social standing. (although I much prefer love than just mating for the sake of mating) So females having most of the sexual power is not unnatural…
No, it isn’t “society making it so.”
Women are attracted to power. They always will be. Sperm is cheap. Eggs are expensive. Males are sellers and females are buyers. Each species has its different mating rituals where males advertise to females. It’s no different from us.
Society can go through all the social destruction that cultural Marxists wish. Beta males that can’t approach women and supplicate themselves to her will still not get laid.
Why does it matter whether he’s employed?
Shows he has a work ethic and sense of responsibility.
Sex is for pleasure, relationships are for love. Therefore, you should have sex with men who can give you the most pleasure and be in relationships with men who give you the most love.
Employment and money are irrelevant — unless you’re a prostitute,
While the search for love is the ultimate goal, I prefer men that have a career. I like educated men with goals on their minds. If a man is not employed, and not independently wealthy, that means I’ll be the one financially supporting him. I’m looking for a life partner, not a leech. And I’m also just generally attracted to men who work for a living. It shapes their character int hat they work for their accomplishments. It’s an attractive trait. This is excluding of course those that are still in school, or through no fault of their own unable to work.
I guess it’s just me, but I treat sex as an emotional connection. If women just want to get off they have tools for that. Besides, sex is much better when there is love.
Well said!
But women don’t want to date men who will control their lives either.
Judging by the people that actually do get married, I see a lot more betas with wives. The so called “alphas” you’re talking about are still single and hitting on girls way to young for their age. Yeah they might have been sleeping with people all this time, but they still secretly crave a good woman in their lives. As a single female you can trust me on this, I see it every time happy hour comes along. Getting sex from women and getting love are two different things. Being an alpha does not mean be a douche bag. The real alpha is comfortable in his own masculinity while still retaining respect for a woman. Just like a real woman will embrace her femininity, protect her sense of self, and will always show respect to the man she wants to share her life with.
Come on!!! Be honest: 1) you believe the sex you give to a man deserves compensation and obligates the man to whom it’s given and 2) you want a man who’s financially successful so he can buy you things and so you can have an easier, freer life with the luxury of either not working or working in a low stress but rewarding job (hence, low pay).
Otherwise, his employment status would be as irrelevant to you and yours is to him.
1) The sex I give I give because I want. It is not a reward for him but rather something he is giving me. It also means that even if I don’t want it I will do it for him. What obligates a man to perhaps go my way at times is that he is by definition my man as I am his woman. I will not always get my way and I will have to suck it up, just he will not always get his. If we really love each other finding a balance shouldn’t be a problem. I really don’t know how other women treat sex… But if this has been your personal experience then that kinda sucks. Sex is not a weapon, it’s a connection. Anger, tears, spending your money is a weapon. lol
2) Actually, I DON’T want someone who’s too financially successful because then I feel like I owe that person something, and I don’t want to be put in that position. I rather date someone who is more or less my equal, both financially and intellectually. Although I wouldn’t mind if he was smarter, but that’s just me. I’m not arguing that most women probably want the guy in the Ferrari.
And I like making a career for myself. I went to college, worked my ass off, got a job, and now I’m back for grad school. What I do professionally is not at all influenced by what my future hypothetical husband makes.
The person you replied to can be translated to say; “Shows he has money to spend on ME.”
We’re witnessing a textbook example of the hamster rationalizing or justifying her innate hypergamy (prostitution) all women possess.
We could ask her to explain what the young and beautiful Wendy Deng could possibly see in Rupert Murdoch or Anna Nicole Smith in Howard Marshall, and we would get the old NAWALT.
Be honest with us. Like all women, you prioritize the employment status and wealth of a potential long term mate due to your innate hypergamy (prostitution) — otherwise, your mate’s employment status would be as irrelevant to you as yours is to him.
I dated someone for two years that made significantly less than I did and was unemployed for a number of months. I knew I would always be the main provider and it didn’t matter. He was trying and I loved him.
I’ve dumped a guy that lived in a Manhattan Penthouse and his income never once influenced my desire to be or not to be with him.
I’m sorry you are pursuing women that don’t know the meaning of a true relationship. This site gives advice for guys that want to get laid, but it’s directing them towards the wrong type of woman. Just like guys complain when women bitch and moan about “Oh there are no good guys out there!” I say the same to you. There are perfectly sane, confident, and decent women out there. But guys read stuff like this only to have their minds poisoned, just like women read too many “feminist” blogs when they should be living in reality.
Your response, in a word, is: NAWALT – more accurately, YOUR not like that.
So because you once dated one man who made less than you and you once dumped one man who made more than you, therefore women (and therewith you) are not innately hypergamous.
Your argument is this: I once ate one hamburger and I once turned down a free fish dinner, therefore I don’t crave seafood. It’s a bad argument and structurally invalid.
You’ve admitted employment status of a potential mate is of a high priority to you. I’ll be honest with you: a potential mate’s body is of the greatest importance to me. She can be the nicest woman in the world, but if she doesn’t have a good body, I will not get involved with her. I love conditionally.
Now be honest with us: you love conditionally and the love you give is contingent upon the your hypergamous attraction to men of wealth and high status.
I’m sorry, I thought you said men should pay attention to what a woman DOES, not says. So I presented you with my particular behavior pattern. If my actions do not define my beliefs or character then what does? Should I then be judged by things I have yet to do?
I love conditionally too, but a high income is not my particular focus. Employment status and income need not be mutually inclusive.
Edit: And I just happen to disagree with your particular conditions of love. Because eventually that will change but character does not… To each his own.
I’m sorry, I thought you said men should pay attention to what a woman DOES, not says. So I presented you with my particular behavior pattern. If my actions do not define my beliefs or character then what does? Should I then be judged by things I have yet to do?
I love conditionally too, but a high income is not my particular focus. Employment status and income need not be mutually inclusive.
Edit: And I just happen to disagree with your particular conditions of love. Because eventually that will change but character does not… To each his own.
The problem, Louisa, is that you’re making the mistake of assuming that women and men value the same things. Men value sex. Women value commitment. That’s not to say that men don’t want commitment and women don’t want sex. But you view the male “winner” through the eyes of a woman. Through the eyes of men, the “winner” is the guy you were willing to have sex with when you were young and in your physical prime, even though he wasn’t offering you commitment. It’s insulting for a man to be passed over by girls when they are in their twenties, watching them spread their legs for guys who have no intention of anything other than a pump and dump, and then suddenly have the same women wanting him to commit to them once they hit their thirties and their looks are starting to fade. In your mind he’s the winner because she wants to spend the rest of her life with him. In his mind, she’s expecting him to commit to her for the rest of his life in order to get the second hand version of what she gave up to other guys for free when she was in her twenties.
Men value you the most when you’re in the period between 18-30. Women value men the most between the ages of 30-50. Basically what I’m saying is that women want to give the thing men value most, which is youth an beauty (fertility), to players, and then have the marriage prospect give her what SHE values most. Which is commitment and a partner to grow old with. In other words, the marriage partner is expected to give her what she wants, while she already gave away what he wants away to guys who didn’t care about her.
Well we’re just running around in a vicious circle then, because women are giving out sex in order to please the men they hope to attain. If men were not so concerned with intercourse women wouldn’t use it as means to an end, but that is what you are SHOWING US. Hence the birth of the modern slut. Some women unfortunately use sex in the hopes of finding love, which is extremely misguided in my opinion, because that is what you gentlemen have taught us.
Perhaps it is time that both sexes took a real hard look at what should be sought while looking for a partner. Youth and beauty fade but character is more indicative of future happiness. By your own words this means that men are basing their relationship happiness on something that will eventually change, while a woman bases hers on qualities that are relatively constant. Who is happier in the end?
And this is one of the reasons replacing men with women in the workforce doesn’t work in practice. Men are willing to support women. Women are not willing to do the same. If all of the jobs in this country were held by men, women would still be provided for. Men would marry them and give them homes and buy them food, etc. But if all the jobs in the country were held by women? Men would starve. Because women don’t want to support a “leech”. Personally, I’m okay with that. Having a woman support me would be incredibly emasculating. But there are only so many jobs. What are the men who have been replaced by women supposed to do? Go on welfare?
You are under the assumption that all women want a man to support them. I’ve said this before, I’m looking for a partner and many other women are as well. I currently simply don’t have the means to completely support another adult person, women generally don’t make as much as men, so why would I be with someone that required me to be the sole provider? And some men don’t want a housewife either. Social attitudes have changed and the system changes with it. You can either fight it or adapt. It is the way the world works.
Two examples would be dubbed statistically insignificant upon which a pattern may not be established. Two personal examples would also be called anecdotal evidence.
And even so you would still be making an assessment based on a particular type of behavior I have not engaged in. So to be fair, if a woman dates two men that have a significantly higher income than her it does not mean she’s a gold digger as a pattern can not be established…correct?
Why do you fear the truth that women are hypergamous? It’s as obvious as the sky is blue. Why did the young and beautiful Wendy Deng see in the ugly old Rupert Murdoch? Anna Nicole Smith in Howard Marshall? Why do women throw themselves at the old Hugh Hefner and Mick Jagger? Hefner has a house full of beautiful 20 year olds with whom he as sex.
Aside that we witness hypergamy in all species (even bonobos), I”ll present these to satisfy your denial of the obvious.
http://rsbl.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/7/4/562.full
http://lebs.hbesj.org/index.php/lebs/article/viewFile/lebs.2013.25/86
http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1870066,00.html
https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&pid=sites&srcid=ZGVmYXVsdGRvbWFpbnx0aG9tYXN2cG9sbGV0fGd4OjYzNzJiZWZiMTRkN2M3ZTQ
https://sociology.osu.edu/people/qian-0
http://home.uchicago.edu/junjian/Weiss_Yi_Zhang_Crossboundary_Working_Paper.pdf
Why do you insist on categorizing everyone under the same umbrella simply because a group of people have behaved in a particular fashion? I presented myself as an example to the contrary you refuse to believe me even when I provide events to support that claim. You’re not interested in finding truth but rather protecting your own narrow views on women and their values.
Also, most women find themselves living in societies where they are afforded less. They make less money, are provided less professional opportunities, and receive less education. Hypergamy would then be not a product of choice but rather a result of the social and legal realities faced by these women.
What say you about the younger men that marry older rich women? Are they somehow non-existent to you because they do not fit the stereotype you consider to be the standard? Everyone is essentially hypergamous, because one partner will always have something over the other, whether it be money, beauty, or social standing. You also entirely ignore those that actually marry for love. Are they not relevant to your conclusions?
What I insist is not the issue. The issue is the truth of hypergamy. Women are attracted to men of high social status and wealth. And women rarely give sex away for free. These are facts. Hating the facts will not magically make them untrue. Sorry if they destroy the myth that women are pure of heart. In fact, as a woman, you know that to be untrue.
“I presented myself as an example to the contrary and you still refused to believe me even when I provide events to support that claim.”
Two examples hardly disprove the rule. I dated two women who were not that attractive. Therefore, I am not attracted to beautiful women? Do you now see the invalidity of your argument?
“Also, most women find themselves living in societies where they are afforded less. They make less money, are provided less professional opportunities, and receive less education.”
Women in the US have equal educational and employment opportunity. Even highly educated and successful women (like Wendy Deng – Yale educated) are still attracted to and seek out men of high social status and wealth and most often marry-up.
“What say you about the younger men that marry older rich women?”
Even though a few young men may marry older wealthy women it still remains a fact that women are attracted to men of high social status and wealth.
“Everyone is essentially hypergamous, because one partner will always have something over the other, whether it be money, beauty, or social standing.”
Men are not hyergamous. Men do not in mate selection prioritize social status and wealth.
Beauty IS social status…
Louisa,
To your first point, complete equality in a relationship is unrealistic. It doesn’t work. Which is why you have one boss at work, and not two. You have one captain, and one first mate. It’s not just a male-female thing. In just about every single relationship in my life, whether it be with my family, my friends, girlfriends, co-workers, etc there is one person who usually leads, and one who usually follows. The problem with regards to relationships is that women seem to have absolutely no respect for men who allow them to lead. On the other hand, men are brainwashed into thinking that if THEY show any sort of leadership, they’re being sexist and controlling. It just doesn’t work. And on a purely anecdotal level, look around you at the relationships in which the female wears the pants. I don’t know about you, but those women always seem BY FAR to be the most unhappy. It’s painfully obvious that they despise the sniveling push over they married.
Single mothers- No one here is coming down on widows. But they make up an extremely small minority of single mothers. That’s not who we’re talking about. As far as women who ended up alone “through no fault of their own”, our point is that maybe women need to start making better choices regarding who they choose to have unprotected sex with. Nine times out of ten, a man can look at another man and say “That dude is not going to stick around.” and yet women choose THESE men time and time again. Because they’re sexy. Which is fine. But then, when the guy does what everyone with half a brain can see coming a mile away, we’re supposed to pity the poor, innocent woman, as well as support her with our tax dollars?
Media- Whether you like it or not, the media has a MASSIVE influence on the vast majority of the American public. If a girl grows up watching husbands on sitcoms portrayed as bumbling, incompetent idiots over and over and over, eventually she starts to see men as bumbling, incompetent idiots. To deny that is to deny reality.
Relationship-Divorce industry-
First of all, most men are far more concerned about the fact that they’re going to lose custody of their kids. Believe it or not, men love their children too. Do you have any idea what that’s like? As a woman, what’s the worst possible thing that you can imagine happening to you, other than being killed? Most women would say rape. Okay. So would you rather be raped one time, or have your children taken away from you? Most women would opt for the rape. Losing your kids is a horrible, HORRIBLE thing. And yet, in this country it’s common place for a man to have his children taken from him. Not only that, but he’s expected to “man up” and send a check to the woman who took them away, even if she’s now living with the man she left you for. Do you understand how painful that is for men?
What happened to “dont feed the trolls?”
You’re free to do what you want. But from what I can see, she actually seems interested in having a civil debate. I think the points we make here can stand up to scrutiny. I don’t like trolls, but I do like debating with people who I disagree with, as long as they’re willing to discuss things rationally. So far. she seems willing to do that. Walking away from valid criticism (and by “valid”, I mean something other than shaming and name calling) seems weak to me. I believe I’m right. And if someone thinks they can prove me wrong, I welcome them to try.
Cool story troll.
How exactly am I a troll? I’m actually standing up for what I believe in, instead of tucking my tail between my legs and running from a debate. I don’t know about you, but if someone walks up to me and punches me in the face, I punch back. I don’t slink off like a little bitch. Bottom line, if you don’t want to read my replies, skip over them. You sound just like the feminists who want to ban the website because they can’t handle being exposed to WORDS they don’t like.
Louisa,
“Women have long been considered moral superiors to men in America”
If women are so morally superior to men, why is it that women in America are NINE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO MURDER THEIR OWN CHILDREN than the biological father?
Bottom line? American women are monsters, they are the embodiment of all evil. They see nothing wrong with murdering their own children even. Women in America have ZERO morality, integrity, honor, character, or honesty. American women are evil MONSTERS..
Who said anything about morally superior? No me. And those stats you’re talking about are a bit slanted. How many cases, within the entire population of America, have been mothers murdering their children? And fathers? These people have serious mental issues, they do not represent the entire country. If we’re going by that logic then let’s consider that most serial killers in America have been white males… they all must be evil as well. smh
“The household should function under the direction of both man and woman”
I don’t think you are contradicting the article. The article is saying that women have more say in how the household is run than men, and that gives women a type of power (that is not so available to men). This power happens for at least a couple of reasons – societal expectations for gender roles, and the uneven threat of divorce (it is pretty hard to find yourself kicked out of your home, separated from your children and required to pay your ex-spouse a lot of money. This happens to many more men than women)
“When you get married you gain a life partner, not an employee. If one person becomes more dominant than the other that is because the submissive party allows it to happen. We all have free will and the power to dictate our own lives. Having said that, there is nothing wrong with a woman valuing educating herself or earning a career.”
I don’t think many people here would disagree with any of that. (Although as mentioned before, men face greater negative results after divorce – so some men may feel pressure to take a raw deal to keep his wife happy). That said, when feminists whine that men don’t do their share of the housework, the typical response here would be: why is that the man’s fault? if it bothers you don’t clean – you’re not a slave. I absolutely agree with that rebuttal, so I won’t deny that men should be more proactive in not letting women be the leaders in parenting/household decisions.
“Blaming the media for the way people behave is like blaming video games for violence.”
Agreed, it’s stupid. People at this site will make fun of someone complaining how women are made to feel bad about their weight by a tv show. Women, like men, should learn true self-esteem so they aren’t manipulated in that manner.
“get a pre-nup”
That’s a good idea, but pre-nups do seem to get tossed aside all too easily by courts. The law should change so that pre-nups will generally withstand court challenges.
“There are plenty of numbers that place women in poverty after divorce because many stop working once they get married”
That might be true sometimes. But as someone who doesn’t like working I don’t have a whole lot of sympathy for them. I see these women as having done something more fun and rewarding for a period of time (parenting, or even just staying at home, relaxing). It just seems like a natural consequence that there is a price to pay for not working.
For me the big thing is this: over 70% of divorces are filed by women, under 30% by men. Given that women, like men are rational and forward-thinking, I’d have to assume that women are much more likely to find their lives improved post-divorce than men. As such the threat of divorce hangs more heavily upon men than women in the majority of marriages.
I like that idea about the feminist-only company building things that are useful… I am a scifi fan, after all.
“Women have long been considered moral superiors to men in America”
If women are so morally superior to men, why is it that women in America are NINE TIMES MORE LIKELY TO MURDER THEIR OWN CHILDREN than the biological father?
Bottom line? American women are monsters, they are the embodiment of all evil. They see nothing wrong with murdering their own children even. Women in America have ZERO morality, integrity, honor, character, or honesty. American women are evil MONSTERS.
STOP FEEDING THE TROLLS
Agreed. And why aren’t women being banned? I mean what the hell? I thought it was RoK’s policy to ban women immediately. Where are the fucking moderators? This Louisa chick below has been spamming this site for the past 2 days. Why the hell haven’t you faggots banned her yet?
You say spam, but I say challenge. I am not trying to be disrespectful or even “troll” as you say. Are you really that threatened that you can’t have your ideas questioned? If you don’t like it, don’t read it. But I personally feel that if a blog is out to attack the views, actions, or apparent social influence of a specific gender or demographic they should be prepared to be challenged and ready to respond. Otherwise you’re just complaining without truly working to find a solution. If whatever it is you believe is so right, why wouldn’t you want to change the problem. Here I am. Convert me.
Read older posts. Convert yourself.
Please, with all due respect. Get the fuck off our website.
She’s just lurking around waiting / hoping for a real man to throw her the D. Men are the ones that need converted, you ladies only developed such narcissistic ignorance because the majority of men allowed it.
While I’m not entirely sure with this particular article, there is a pretty clear divide in the manosphere.
MRA websites identify societal problems that negatively affect men, and have a goal of correcting them.
Red pill websites analyze gender dynamics in society and suggest ways for men to benefit themselves by exploiting that knowledge.
I may be talking crap here, since I haven’t read “Lean In”, but MRA sites are like feminist sites that petition for changes in laws to help women. Red pill sites are more like “Lean In” – suggesting strategies for individual women to achieve their goals, given the current social climate.
So if you’re looking for societal solutions, this isn’t the best place to go.
God forbid a woman adopt ideas all on her own…
Shave her head and join a nunnery.
Im sure the Mod will be banning her soon. Good riddance.
Just because you can’t take other people’s opinions? And I thought you guys were “masculine.” Guess not.
I wouldn’t exactly call her a spammer. At least she’s trying to engage in meaningful discourse without ranting and raving with the 8 most common feminist insults liberally implanted in walls of text.
She beats some of the uh, other, recent visitors ROK’s gotten in the past few days, although that isn’t worth much.
“unless they can make marriage and motherhood all about them. Which they do.”
while a baby and young child has little need of a father, this gives the woman a 3-4 year head start in taking over the child raising completely….. it’s interesting to read about the emotional vampirisim in divorce where the mother denigrates the poor father as a terrible and useless parent and takes every opportunity to make him feel like crap… i hate to use celebrities as an example, but Usher’s son recently had a pool accident and nearly drowned… net result baby momma is immediately suing for full custody… Usher wasn’t even at the premises, the kid was with nannies and minders etc….. the judge tossed the case… wow ….. one for team men….
Exactly, you nullify their greatest strength… manipulation.
Not all women manipulate.
Not all men utilize their greatest strength.
What strength?
Aside from physical strength, logical and independent thought. Something a “feministforlife” cannot comprehend.
Well, aren’t you all for women not being able to understand logic and independence anyway? It’s kind of hypocritical that you’re bashing that lack of understanding now.
Thought experiment… Why are the worlds 20 richest women only on that list by marrying or being born to a man? Nothing is stopping any of them from fulfilling that spot on their own merit.
No, men are the ones that need to learn. A woman can’t fight her general nature.
Again, you’re not making any sense, because from what you wrote, they didn’t fulfill that spot on their own merit. Oprah, one of the richest women in the world, didn’t however, become rich because of inheritance or wealth.
If that’s so then how come some women choose to not have kids? It’s their general nature to breed.
“No, men are the ones that need to learn”? Again, you’re not making sense. Go take a writing class, please.
Your mind is based on cultural references not fact. A quick Google search will correct your false assumption.
I’m sorry you lack the ability to follow a simple discussion thread.
If the cultural reference is true, then it’s fact.
It’s not. You sure are dense.
Well I haven’t said that to anyone else I’ve responded to, so obviously I’m not the one with the problem.
She became rich because jews control the television industry, the grievance industry, and the welfare industry. Oprah was the perfect face for all three. Fat, ugly, black, and permanently disgruntled.
they are called feminists and lesbians. normal, healthy women love to have children
And normal healthy men love to be fathers – oh wait!
Wow, 193 comments already?
See, now this is concerning. I don’t want this website itself to go mainstream (just the changes that red pilling can bring)- because when things do, they turn into shit quite fast.
Mods gonna need to mod.
ew, that picture
It’s rather evident that men have no rights when it comes to being with women. She can get you imprisoned on a lie, can legally drain your money dry for no reason, and worse, and you have near enough no say in the matter. I can understand why men become players, or abandon women and focus on themselves. Who in their right mind would marry someone who would fleece them at any given time for no reason? Who in their right mind would enter into a situation where you’re treated like a second-class citizen? These women opened pandoras box, now let them suffer the consequences.
I don’t see why women would want to be treated like that either, so it is better for them to focus on themselves.
0/10.
That’s the expected response.
No one wants to be treated like that. But as it stands men are much more at risk of losing big post-divorce. The number of women who pay alimony to ex-husbands is very small.
Now tell me, why do you think that is? Have women always been the ones privileged enough to have a career and therefore able to pay alimony?
Not even that, where is the salary comparison?
The option to have a career is a privilege. The option to not have a career is a privilege.
So if you compare two people, one of whom has a job and one who doesn’t, it’s unclear who has more privilege. It all depends on whether people are doing what they’d prefer to be doing.
If both parents want to work and the woman is “forced” to stay home, then sure the man is privileged. If both parents want to stay home and the man is “forced” to work, then the woman is privileged. The second man would rightly be annoyed at having to pay substantial alimony. In the first couple, the alimony is probably fair.
I’d say it’s absolutely fair if the woman (or man) is forced to stay home. Even when one of the two is not forced, it’s still fair when there are children in the equation, because taking care of children–whether people admit it or not–takes a lot of time and energy. On top of that, women or men who stay home to care for children don’t get paid for it, lose out on career and networking opportunities, and other benefits that come with establishing a career.
Not when the choice of having kids rests solely with one party, and when the choice of staying home or working also is just that, a choice.
With choices comes responsibilities, not the right of having others subsidize that choice.
I think this problem will be fixed if we just invest research on a male birth control pill. Why hasn’t this happened already? Do you think the republicans will be just as against it?
Perhaps because we simply don’t care about men’s health the way we do women’s health at the government level?
A couple shouldn’t even have kids if one partner doesn’t want them–that’s ridiculous! And it’s not a subsidy either because those kids would be the kids of the person who goes to work and therefore is not spending as much time with them. Half of the money he/she earns compensates the person at home for doing work that the former does not partake in.
The legal choice for who can have kids rests solely on the woman. A child isn’t born unless she choose it to happen. Period. Unless you’re willing to give men that right as well, don’t argue for the equivalent responsibility. It’s her choice.
It’s also whomever’s choice to stay home to indeed stay home. Choices should not be subsidized by other people. That’s why they’re called “choices”.
“women or men who stay home to care for children don’t get paid for it, lose out on career and networking opportunities, and other benefits that come with establishing a career.”
Your body your choice, your problem.
You’re free to forgo having children. I will not pretend that your choices add value to my life. And since your kids are worthless to me, I will do noting to subsidize your life or your choices.
So, you think that alimony should be assigned on the basis of historical wrongs, rather than the particular circumstances of the parties in the divorce?
Sounds more like you’re after payback or reparations than equality.
So, you think that alimony should be assigned on the basis of historical wrongs, rather than the particular circumstances of the parties in the divorce?
Sounds more like you’re after payback or reparations than equality.
I don’t have kids. I have, however, paid tens of thousands of dollars in school taxes over several decades — to subsidize others’ choices.
The only people being forced to do anything are the men trapped by oopsie pregnancies. women are never forced to do a damned thing – they are parasitical by nature.
the man never wants children like the woman does. he is browbeaten by her and the mother hens until he accepts his fate as a walking wallet.
most children are born for one of two reasons: she trapped him with an ‘oopsie’, or she threatened to leave him if he didn’t ‘man up’ and do the marriage + house + kids thing.
You can move to Mogadishu.
I’ve had a vasectomy without ever having kids but I’m still willing to pay for infrastructure because I do not want to live like an African.
Neither do I. Just stating a fact, man. Read my post again.
“…just as against it?”
As compared to what? Assume facts not in evidence much?
Or are you maybe, possibly trying to conflate a political party’s opposition to governmental overreach in regards to PAYING for female birth control with a non-existent “opposition” for the creation of a “male BCP?
I mean, you wouldn’t be THAT dishonest, now, would you???
“I’m still willing to pay”
GOOD! You are willing to pay. You can do so voluntarily. You can also group together with other like-minded individuals to do so on a voluntary basis. It requires no gov’t. involvement whatsoever, and, therefore, no coercion.
Or, you can just move to Havana. Or, Pyongyang.
Nope. I will not be moving to Havana. I will be staying in the White Western world; the price of which is paying taxes.
You are free to move to Port au Prince and shit in the same water source that you drink from.
Yea, because THAT’s a principled movement. As an aside, the entire system is funded by men, so at some point you’re going to have to care — much like the media has been with its hand wringing of the state of males.
That makes no sense. What system are you talking about?
The entire infrastructure and social service system of America.
Ok, which men in particular fund this system?
Uh, men. Just like women receive the vast majority of social services in this country.
You mean children…
No, I mean women. Medicare and Social Security are the number 1 and 2 social service payments meted out by the government. 2/3rds of both go to women.
My employer takes a chunk out of my paycheck every two weeks for this. Every working person pays into it. If most men are funding this, as you say, it is because they make up most of the work force, not because they’re being discriminated against.
So you’re saying men are the only ones running this country right now? There are ABSOLUTELY NO female politicians out there who have an effect on infrastructure and social services?
Politicians are figureheads. They don’t actually make things happen. When the storm hits and the power goes out, who comes and fixes it? Who maintains that infrastructure? Who built and designed it? THOSE are the men running things. Without them, society would degenerate into chaos.
So you’re saying there are ABSOLUTELY NO women in that line of work? Funny, because I’ve seen women do that kind of work before.
Uh no again — women don’t pay into the system as much as men because they’re far more likely to take part-time work and work fewer hours. However, because they live longer, they receive far more than the share they paid in of social services over their lifetime. It’s the sort of gender discrimination and gender bias feminists are totally cool with.
No, I’m saying the vast majority of that system is funded and run by males, and women depend on that extensively. Things like making the water run, having the lights on, having the police force work, the bridges work, etc. In addition to paying the vast majority of taxes.
How can you say “far more than their share” when you just said “they live longer”? If they live longer, they should have resources to turn to the entirety of their lives. Wouldn’t you want it that way if you were a woman, your life expectancy thus projected to be greater than a man’s?
The vast majority of taxes? Do you have stats on this?
Uh, no one is saying “ABSOLUTELY NO” women. Nor does that change the argument that it’s an overwhelmingly male task. And treating those men like garbage while “focusing only on women” is childish and hypocritical, considering how much women depend on those primarily male benefits.
Using your logic, one non-african slave in the 1800’s would mean that slavery wasn’t an evil foisted on primarily the african people, because it’s not the case that ABSOLUTELY NO people of non-african descent were slaves ever.
Yes. But if I showed you the data, would you acknowledge it, or do what every other feminist does, which is ignore the comment and continue on with your sexist bigotry?
Because women don’t pay taxes into the system as much, but the collect far more than they put in, as opposed to men. That’s a fairly simple idea.
As an aside, the idea that feminists are totally ok with the male discrepancy in death, but aren’t with the amount of women in, say, STEM fields, is indicative of how freaking bigoted the ideology is.
Who’s treating those men like garbage? Did I say anything to insult and degrade those men? No. I merely disproved your argument that–and I quote–“THOSE are the men running things.” You claimed that only men do that type of work, when in reality that’s not case–you did not originally claim that it’s MOSTLY men in that line of work.
Your comparison to slavery isn’t valid because you’re talking about a historically oppressed group of people, and white heterosexual men haven’t been an oppressed group. Sorry.
I’m not that type of feminist, and whether I believe your data depends on the source. Try me.
What are you talking about… Social Security and Medicaid count as a percentage of your paycheck. A woman working full-time or part-time is not discriminatory against you. It doesn’t stop or prevent you from doing anything. Look up the word discrimination and try again. Every one pays according to what they make. The system has made it so that men make a much higher salary than women anyway. Give us the same compensation for the same work and then we’ll pay as much as you. It’s also not our fault we live longer. Take better care of yourselves and stop complaining.
Uh, no, “THOSE” don’t mean “ONLY”. Try looking up the definition. It’s a fairly simple thing to look up. And yea, look at the original post you responded to initially. Then get back to me.
And I think you’re not really up to speed on logic with the slavery example. It’s ludicrous to suggest that slavery wasn’t an african ill because ONE person wasn’t african in the same way it’s ludicrous to argue that the infrastructure of this country isn’t run by men because ONE person wasn’t a man.
You’re being knee jerk and parroting feminist nonsense considering the slavery example had nothing to do with white heterosexual men. Though thanks for randomly playing feminist bingo.
Would the IRS work?
If you post a link to the site, yes.
If you post a link to the site, yes.
I think you’re missing my point, likely intentionally because of your bigotry.
Men and women pay into the system (men pay WAAAAY more than women into the system), but because men die earlier (a gender discrepancy which feminists like you are totally cool with), women receive waaaaay more of that revenue than they put in.
In other words, it’s like taking 20 dollars from two people, but giving 40 back to only one of them years later. That person is usually a woman.
And women do receive the same pay for the same jobs. They just don’t work as much or make choices to take lower paying jobs. That’s been shown over and over again. Do a cursory google search. And yea, woman receive the vast majority of health care funding throughout life and, yes, MEDICARE! So it looks like it’s not just about “taking care” of yourself for people — at least not for women, who receive an absurd amount of government assistance to maintain health. Men receive far less. No doubt you’re totally cool with that since you’re a feminist bigot.
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-soi/09in01gender.pdf
Table 1 bolded lines. Men pay about 3/4’s of all tax revenue to the federal government. These studies are done every year. You’ll probably stop responding to me soon because I’m using actually verifiable governmental sources, which is contrary to feminist logic. My apologies.
Where did I say absolutely no women did this work? You’re putting words
in my mouth, the sign of a weak argument. But you know damn well that
what I said was true: that infrastructure is built and maintained by men. Women’s denial of this is a deliberate refusal to engage with reality. As I stated above, remove the men and society degenerates into chaos. (Remove the women and, well, we still have porn.)
Some chick called Catherine Sebelius is doing a real swell job running the health infrastructure into the ground.
Look out! Trivial semantics at 12 o’clock!
I think a blanket ban on female commenters is a bad idea. It will drive down traffic to the site and evidently, judging from the last week or so, feminists are a great marketing tool for RoK. Besides, debate makes the comment section more interesting.
LOL love the names Stefan, Gregor, Ophelia. These women are delusional. Good read
THAT PICTURE!! MY EYESS!!! AAAAAHH!!!11
Seriously. Trigger warning. You’ve gotta post a trigger warning before the pic on point 2.
The delusional, fisting-plus activists do ‘trigger warnings’ It shoulda been ‘wide load ahead’ or ‘female hippopotamus’
10 bucks say that guy suck dicks.
Or he’s a feeder… 0_0
More FUN facts:
Women initiate the majority of ALL divorces. (67%)
Women are designated primary custody of the children. (85%)
Women with college degrees initiate the vast majority of their divorces. (88%)
Women receive money from the men they divorce. (93%) $32Billion/year
Women who receive child support are not required to pay tax on it.
6.) Women who receive child support are not required to use it on their children.
Not to be contentious, but could you provide links?
2Wycked you write like a boss. But in all honesty I’ve never felt so disgusted by a picture than seeing the one with the obese hag and the ripped dude. I honestly felt sick to my stomach.
He was trying to show you what Femtopia will look like.
But at what cost? DUN DUN DUN DUN……..
Ugh, disgusting picture. Anyway, most of the femnazis on my campus were skinny chicks with the occasional plump. Maybe it’s just an East Coast thing.
I just WISH I was still in my 20s.Picked the wrong time to be 44, js.
Only if you are married. If you are single, it is the best time ever to be 44.
It’s usually never a bad time to be single. I hear the 30+ crowd is getting it on the regular though. ha!
Living near a well known slutty college helps too. Location is key for desired result.
The wider media . . . supplying women with countless websites that cater to women’s limited, but varying interests such as men, marriage, babies, men, fashion, and men.
Is this a joke? Do many of you truly believe that those are the extent of a female’s ‘limited’ thoughts and interests? Of all abhorrent things that I’ve read on this website, this one really did it for me.
Nope, we know you like cock too.
I hear most heterosexual women do. I also hear heterosexual men like vaginas… But I’m not entirely convinced. Can’t believe everything you read on the internet.
Vaginas sometimes come wrapped in a cunt. It’s the cunts that men don’t like.
“Waaaaaahhh MY FEELINGS! HOW DARE YOU SAY THINGS I DONT LIKE! I WAS TOTALLY FORCED AT GUN POINT TO WILLINGLY COME TO THIS SITE AND SEEK OUT THINGS I DONT LIKE!”.
If you don’t like it, fuck off. Can’t get more simpler than that.
The Asian chick is hawt.
Is the Skin Authority moisturer on the bottom left for when Mr. Enabler McMuscles phox her between the belly rolls or does she actually believe that dry skin is going to effect her looks?
HTC should buy the rights to this image and use it to sell phones to Asian slots:
“At first, Garry wasn’t sure that he had all that much in common with Ai Ling. But when he lifted her gunt to retrieve her lost smartphone tablet, he knew she was a keeper – The New HTC One Max – Maximize Everything.”
When people view the world as a binary adversarial systems out to oppress them and only people like them, they are fail to acknowledge the good things that the universe has bestowed onto them and not on others. They also fail to adequately develop solutions to what are actually complex problems because they are perceived to be so simple – they are directly and completely caused by someone else.
They have unfulfilling lives and unfulfilling relationships.
This goes for dull witted feminists as much as it goes for dull witted chauvinists. Many of seem to generalise far too much for functional, logical adults.
Protip: neither all men or all women are conspiring to make your life miserable – you seem to be doing that fine on your own.
this is a shitty article
Well this is a shitty comment. I guess they fit together.
I find it amusing that all you could come up with are 3 points when actual privilege checklists go on for ages. And the idea that men aren’t told they’re great for just existing is ridiculous. Women are far more scrutinised. They are constantly bombarded with “tips” on how to lose weight, have far more to do to appear attractive towards men, etc. and have to be extremely impressive to attain the same level of respect in their careers as men. You’re talking about female privilege as if the issue is feminism has gone TOO FAR but in another post you guys are complaining about career women.
There are so many misogynistic remarks flying about in the comments too. This is really the equivalent of a really far flung radical feminist site(only I’d have more sympathy for the radfems,even if I dislike them) yet it enjoyed more popularity than they would – which is in of itself a showcase of male privilege.
Wait, the fact that people like *you* have spread this article across the web and bothered to comment is a show of male privilege?
So, if those “tips” bother you so much ignore them. Do you do what everyone says you should?
I think you should finish highschool before you comment here.
Where women are constantly given tips on how to lose weight, men are constantly being told to “not be THAT guy”, “Only men can stop rape”, “how NOT to be a Creepy McCreeperpants” and so on.
I don’t think misogynistic means what you think it means…just because your feelings get hurt doesn’t mean someone is hating you for being a woman. When someone posts a comment that seems hateful, it’s because they hate stupid people, not women.
Maybe there is some truth to this, but think about the hundreds of years when the tables were turned and men unabashedly enjoyed their upper hand in society. I do think that women should be able to bask in our progress a bit, since men did so for so, so, so long.
Any progress made was given, not taken. Therein lies it’s fatal flaw.
So “female progress” isn’t about equality, but superiority. I mean, just for *you* – excuse me, now.
We agree, good.
The “basking” men of yesteryear are long dead. So are the women.
You try to rationalize oppression of a current generation for the sins of their grandfathers. Please stop. From this concept of inherited guilt, a slippery slope leads to the darkness.
Apex fallacy. The suffering of ordinary men is invisible to women.
Until the Pill came along, women could not enter the public sphere without a powerful and wealthy family to back them up. That was not descrimination, it was biology.
25% of women over 35 are on anti-depressents despite all this “progress”. You women keep using that word. It does not mean what you think it means.
Upper hand? Oh I suppose getting black lung in coal mines and dying in wars was the upper hand? Maybe if we go further back where men had to hunt wild, dangerous animals to feed the women and children, risking life and limb. Yes I can see how trading a bit of freedom for having protection and provision can be considered oppression while those men get to go out there and have all the fun dying and facing danger, death and injury at every turn.
“Maybe there is some truth to this, but think about the hundreds of years
when the tables were turned and men unabashedly enjoyed their upper
hand in society”
Maybe there is some truth to what you say, but think about the hundreds of years when the men in my ancestral family tree were humble peasants who worked 12 hours a day, each day until they died … some time before 50 years of age. Not that peasant women had it better, but aside from risks of dying in chidbirth, one could argue they didnt have it worse.
For some post-feminist US woman to talk about that as “upper hand in society” is such laughable nonsense that it only underscores rather than mitigates that divorce court bias, or other female privileges conjured out of myths peddled by feminists to guilt-trip society into anti-male bias.
Sheryl Sandberg is _NOT_ the CEO of Facebook.
Yes. She’s the COO or “Chief Operating Officer”. Making such a basic and easily checked error is pretty stupid for a site like this.
I feel that the people I meet who complain about privilege issues are generally more privileged than most, whether or not they see themselves that way. Maybe we should practice gratitude for our hardships, or what good things we do have instead of indulging in cyclic bitch-fest forums.
People who complain about privilege issues are generally conniving manipulators working a con. (OK, some of them are stupid, and some are genuinely insane, but for working purposes, assume their all working a con.) The trick is to stop them at their first utterance and attack the hidden assumption. Challenge it, and at every attempt to deflect, shame or impose guilt, press the challenge to the premise harder. they eventually move to a softer mark.
“People who complain about privilege issues are generally conniving manipulators working a con.”
That is precisely what is going on. Specifically, the con is the feminist/ race-hustling/ other cultural-marxist political con job of pushing an agenda through Fear.
The picture above the second point is evil. I am going on a drunk to try and kill an mental ability to recall it.
Yeah I don’t get it. Is that two dudes kissing? Is that thing on the left a person?
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I know right f**k sake its horrible!!
#1 was a bit general
2Wycked (if that IS your real name), I’m going to give you some unsolicited advice, and I really
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2Wycked (if that IS your real name), I’m going to give you some unsolicited advice, and I really wish you’d take it to heart.
You seem really angry and sad. If I were to guess, given the context in which you’re writing, something traumatic happened to you. In the same vein as your “example” story above, here’s my example narrative that’d produce an article like the one above:
Your met a girl when you were quite young. You shacked up with her and/or married her, you had a kid or kids together, but over time you realized you weren’t right for each other. To justify these feelings to yourself, since you’re a good man who stands by his loved ones, you started convincing yourself she wasn’t good enough for you – maybe she didn’t take as good care of herself physically as you did. Eventually, you separated, and there was an ugly court battle in which she got the kid(s) and you were left traumatized and depressed.
If this happened to you, I’m really sorry. That must’ve been terrible.
It is, however, NOT symptomatic of a predominant pattern that can be blamed on feminism, or women in general. You don’t need to be angry with 50% of the population. Maybe your ex-wife/gf treated you very badly – it’s OK to be angry with her for that. You don’t need to absolve her from responsibility by blaming that on societal privilege and extending it out to women as a whole.
“Women Are The Authority In The Domestic Sphere”: Yes, because for hundreds, even thousands of years, this is what women were traditionally responsible for. Note that since the appearance of feminism, more women are entering the workforce, and lately more and more men have taken on the role of the primary handler of domestic duties, including child rearing. So feminism has changed this, and is continuing to change it. Soon enough I suggest you will see a rather massive shift in this sphere – “daddy blogs” is already a thing.
“Media Caters To And Soothes Female Egos”: Yeah, guess what, the media has figured out that this is a way to welcome and keep a female audience. It’s disingenuous, because at the same time as it celebrates unconditional female beauty, it places an ad for beauty products with an impossibly Photoshopped body next to it – and it rarely if ever celebrates anything other positive quality than beauty, either. The mix of anxiety-production and anxiety-soothing strategies in women’s magazines and TV programming is a well documented way of building and retaining a neurotic female market.
“The Relationship/Divorce Industry Is Staunchly Pro-Woman”: Yes, because again, for hundreds of years this has been seen as the domain of women. The vast majority of couples counselors (indeed, most care givers dealing with emotions) are women, raised on a diet of books written by women, mostly for women. The divorce systems suffer from inertia and still assume house, children, child support, and alimony goes from the man to the woman since the woman has less earning power and is more capable of raising the kids, a holdover from the time when women were expected to stay home in the house and raise the kids with the financial support of the husband. And again, feminism is (slowly) changing this.
My advice to you: stop hating women, find love again, and turn off the TV.
I hope you can get past your pain, 2Wycked, instead of spreading it.
TL;DR
Let me guess….I need to get over my hatred of women in order to embrace the morally superior ways of a feminist man?
No, you should get over your hatred of women in order to heal and move on. All this, that you’re doing, is nothing but taking the pain you’ve gone through and insisting it’s happening to everyone, presumably in order to normalize your own experiences.
How to do that best is going to be an individual journey. You seem to be a sort who likes to reason and rationalize, so for you I’d advice you re-read and reconsider the parts about how that ugly beast Feminism has anything but caused the issues you’ve identified, but rather has been taking indirect steps to rectify them since its inception.
Good luck.
I’m going to guess that you didn’t click on the “male privilege” link in the article. Try clicking on that, come back here, and read back through your comments with that list fresh in your mind.
Solutions:
1. Don’t leave your children
2. Beauty is subjective (as in, some guys really like fat chicks). Also, where is the proof that women believe they are superior? Last time I checked, all the women I’ve been with were only concerned about those beauty advertisements because people (like you) say things like how women expect to have their egos massaged by seeing “fat women being called “beautiful,” physically unattractive women described as “beautiful,”” and so on.
Maybe if we stopped bitching about women needing to look a certain way, they wouldn’t have such a beauty complex. Hmm?
3. I do agree with you here. Women are often given an unfair advantage in court, but for many of you who don’t think that a women should hold a working position in business, a woman’s only means of income is through her husband as she spends time taking care of the children. If you divorce, then she is left with absolutely nothing but the child. Yes, you COULD take care of the child, but the mother is generally (not always, but usually) more apt at childcare since she’s been put into a position where she gets more experience in that department.
It is unfair, however, when an incompetent mother is given custody and financial support when the above are not true, but then again, people like us often INSIST that a woman stay at home and take care of the kids, and we go to work, come back, kiss child, fuck wife, and call it a day; so in retrospect, we went and screwed ourselves over on this one too.
The only way any person or people screwed themselves is by not recognizing feminism as the form of bigotry that it truly is, yourself included. Most of your comment is straight out of their 101 handbook.
1. Men don’t leave their children, they leave the children’s mother. They get in trouble if they take their kids with them without the court’s permission, which they rarely get.
2. Right, they have so much pressure on them that the majority of suicides are committed by women. Wait…not true.
3. Right, women are better caregivers. That’s why the majority of child abusers and child murderers are men. Wait…that’s not true either.
Clear the feminist junk out of your head, please.
I’m sorry if this would offend anybody, but this was a really good read. Yes, one-sided and sarcastic liek hell, but to the point and, somewhat, amusing in a sense that it make me chuckle in disbelief and sometimes itchy at the stab.
I guess that’s because in my far-east society, most of my surrounding society members including me still expect women to take care of their family if they ever get married. If they don’t, well, it’s either something’s wrong with them or they are picky (I know, since I’m exactly the latter).
The role of women here is “nurturing”, I would say. Even at work, women resume the role of “sisters”, “mothers” or “aunties”. I for one is feared by men in my office as “the altimate mother hen”. On the other hand, the men are expected to be fathers, brothers, or uncles. Most sought-after type of men in my society (because I cannot say for my country as a whole) is the caring, funny and family-guy type. Sure, hot guys are fangril’d at and longed for, but the men that women marry here are the ones from whom they can sense family.
I’m not saying women here do not enjoy the same previlages discussed in this article. We do. Most households and childrearing decisions are dominated by women–mostly out of the fact that most husbands see fit to let their wives take care of everthing else while they are outside winning bread for the family. Or, you know, the house is full of the in-laws.
There’s not so much divorce cases for me to discuss, as well as the media catering to female egos. It is more like medis trying to override female sense of what is beautiful and what not. So if I want to be ‘beautiful’ as standardized by the media here, I will have to be mixed-raced hafling of any kind, with bordering-on-skinny slender body, vertical axis size notwithsanding, and more white than tan. Which is impossible, really, for majority of the woman.
There are also male previllage here, though. Guys usually get away with being crude to others, no matter against what gender; more perferred as management -level jobs, supposed to be naturally better at any hands-on activities e.g. driving, physical exertion of any kind, machanics and whatever.
Still, they mostly are gentlemen and let the women get what they want quite easily, so I don’t think there will be any faminist movement here anytime soon
Interesting perspective, thanks.
So sad that this is so prevalent in western culture. It is incredible self destructive, and can potentially spark wars, conflict and incredible damage. Pride is the root of all evil. “nothing is ever your fault” classic line, very true. You should be afraid of narcissists. Run! They believe they can do no wrong. How terrifying is that.
Sheryl Sandberg makes me want to barf. What a grade A cunt.
Seriously. Here’s a huge female privilege. They can get married and SIT AT HOME all day everyday doing nothing with someone else’s bread. And then they call mothering the hardest job in the world? What, you have to clean up shit and cook a few meals a day and the occasional drive to the park where you read some steamy, unrealistic romance novel about a millionaire having an affinity for extremely average women… Yea, tough life.
Love it. Feminism is ruining the world.
Here’s another good site on the topic: titus25.com. Not a competition but a compliment!
Hi, quick question for all of you testosterone-raging males… why does a woman’s right to freedom intimidate you? How is a woman having equal power in any situation at the “expense of a man”? I see how well this article is written, very impressive as far as bandwagon techniques go, but I can’t help but find holes that expose the fragile male ego throughout this page… It’s cute really, how you little boys get together and puff out your chests and compare wieners… I just find it odd that you would let your mother or sister or daughter get raped by another dirty man on this site… that is what you are supporting, is it not?
No , it is not. No , you don’t deserve a longer answer than this.
You idiot.
Has anyone watched the kids cartoon “Pepper Pig”? I watched it a few times with my two sons but never again. If you haven’t seen it just take a look at the blatant feminist propaganda directed at your kids. Notice the farther figure “Daddy pig” is fat, ugly, stupid, useless and basically just an oaf who always gets in the way. Whereas “Mummy Pig” is slim, beautiful, intelligent has all the answers is the one the children go to for love and advice and always has to fix everything when “Daddy Pig” fucks it all up as usual in every frigging episode. Don’t take my word for it just have a look at any random episode you like, then reply to this comment and tell me if i am talking out of my arse.
Forget this piece, just read “The Predatory Female.”
Thank you for the survival story at the end.
Cry a river of crocodile tears.
The author needs to seek psychological help. Some of these articles are just purely ludicrous. Like I literally think the author completely disregards the statistics given to us through sociological research. Like, “Oh more white males get higher education and make more money than anyone else”? NAH.
That horrible Sandberg walks hand in hand with Marissa Mayer, who destroyed the shareholder value of Internet pioneer Yahoo! in just 3 years ! Power and privilege are worse in the hands of women than with men
It’s so funny! I haven’t had a chance to meet a Privileged Patty before! I wonder why?
I’ve met Working Mother Wandas several times, but they’re all broke and exhausted and not a lot of fun (plus, their Co-parent Stefans are usually broke and exhausted too, so they’re all just no-fun couples). I have had the misfortune of meeting a few Beat-up Bettys (I don’t recommend it, they’re all downers, and their boyfriends can get pretty frisky). I’ve seen an absurd amount of Self-conscious Sallys — ugh! They’ve all got such low self-esteems! It’s annoying! And Unwanted Pregnancy Unas are all *so* cliche — they get knocked up by their boyfriend Never There Nathan at sixteen, they drop out of school at seventeen, and they live in poverty until the ripe old age of fifty-two when they die of stress. Yawn.
Privileged Patty, on the other hand, sounds like a fun gal. What’s “Nothing Is Ever Your Own Fault”? I haven’t seen that show before — it sounds nice. A lot better than “Everything Wrong With Everyone Is Their Mother’s Fault”, “Your Marriage Failed Not Because The Two Of You Weren’t Suited For Each Other Anymore But Because You’re A Dumb Bitch Who Chased Him Away”, or my favorite “If You’re Successful It’s Because You Slept Your Way To The Top But If You Aren’t Successful It’s Your Fault For Being Lazy And Uninspired”.
Yeah, isn’t it just awful when someone screams “CHECK YOUR PRIVILEGE!!” in your face when they don’t even know you or your life situation. Bloody awful. It’s almost like this article is taking what a certain gender-political group does all the time, and turning it back on them. I wonder what that group is…..
Oh shit I just realized I my interests aren’t either fashion, babies, marriage, men, men, men, men, men, men, or men! Jeez, I need to get my life in order! I mean, why should I at all be interested in astronomy and interstellar phenomena when I could be wearing pretty clothes? What use is a degree in video-game design and computer science for popping out babies? Why should I at all hone my Game in picking up women when that *obviously* won’t work on men? Because, of course, 7 of my 4 interests are those hunky penis-toting dudes — or rather, it should be.
But since the mainstream media caters to interests that aren’t mine, nor any other women’s I know, who the hell are they catering for? Oh wait, of course, they cater to men! Men want women who want fashion and babies and men, aha, of course of course! They’re catering to men by conditioning their wives to watch syrupy reality shows about women getting married, as well as catering to men through an endless list of shows chock full of gyrating masculine bravado (see Arrow, The Walking Dead, Criminal Minds, The Flash, every other superhero movie/show, Lost, MacGyver, Gotham, Breaking Bad, Sons of Anarchy, need I go on?)
Oh but that’s not privilege. There’s no such thing as male privilege. There’s only the reality of female oppression.