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How Being Fit Affects Your Social Value

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The number one reason guys work out is to get laid. There—I said it.

Even if it’s not what fuels you to hit the gym every day, don’t lie—it’s almost definitely the reason you got started.

The benefits of getting fit range from general health benefits like a reduced risk of contracting numerous diseases and lowered blood pressure, to aesthetic benefits like increased muscle mass and decreased body fat.

And – let’s be honest – unless you’re an old man you’re only worried about the latter. You want to look good naked, primarily for vanity’s sake. And there’s nothing wrong with that.

When it comes to men, being fit means two things: having a solid amount of muscle mass and being relatively lean. It doesn’t mean you’re as big as a bodybuilder… And it also doesn’t mean you’re a skinny marathon runner. Below I’ll argue that being fit is the easiest way to put yourself one step ahead of the competition when it comes to your perceived social value by both men and women.

People don’t take fat people seriously

fat man

Being noticeably overweight is an easy way to limit your potential

When you see a fat man what do you think?

While you might not consciously tear him apart, the undeniable truth is that you don’t take him seriously. His lack of self-control in regards to his diet and exercise have crippled him.

And you can only assume this lack of discipline affects other areas of his life. He looks like shit and he probably doesn’t have his shit together, either. If you’re a man, you’re likely to look down upon him. If you’re a woman you’re likely to immediately disqualify him as a sexual partner.

In short, his social value is severely limited, even if he’s an all-around boss when it comes to his career, confidence, and sense of humor. If you’ve let yourself go, don’t get depressed by these facts, but rather use them as fuel to take back control of your body and shed that weight.

Having noticeable muscle mass is associated with confidence

At the opposite end of the spectrum of our fat friend, is the guy who you can tell clearly holds a lot of muscle, even when fully clothed. His presence demands respect from other men… And attention from women.

Building muscle takes time, but it’s not that complicated – all you need to do is put on some weight and lift heavy.

When you’ve built a solid amount of muscle mass, you embody the principle of strength. And strength is attractive to men and women alike. It’s associated with confidence and leadership. However, having muscle mass alone doesn’t ensure your confidence or your social success. I think we all know a guy or two who are absolute beasts, yet are still extremely insecure.

But it does give you a step up on the competition, and this can’t be ignored.

Strong posture will affect how people perceive your self-esteem

beast

It’s relatively easy to build strong posture with a proper lifting routine

Possibly the easiest way to look stronger and more confident is to stand up straight. And while this can be done by simply being more mindful and consciously doing so, the most effective way to ensure you do this by default is to get fit.

When you incorporate the correct exercises – that strengthen your upper back and rear deltoids – into your routine, you’ll quickly stand up straighter by default.

And doing so makes you look taller, your shoulders appear wider, and your overall image that much more powerful.

It gives you a mental edge

Being fit will give you a mental edge for two key reasons:

So, on top of the fact that other people will perceive you as more confident, you actually will be more confident. The combination of these two factors will skyrocket your social value.

…When the clothes do come off, it will turn her on

hot hot

While game and confidence are needed to attract women, having a solid body helps

If and when you find yourself naked with a girl—and you have solid muscular definition—it will undoubtedly add to her sexual excitement.

It won’t get her in your bed, no, but it will help once she’s there. And this knowledge will similarly boost your sexual confidence when you’re dealing with a girl you like with whom you want to escalate the interaction.

Read More: A Manifesto On Masculine Happiness

155 thoughts on “How Being Fit Affects Your Social Value”

  2. Out of curiosity, reply below with what % of your family you think is overweight….even if it’s only 10 lbs.

      1. About 5% on my dad’s side. My dad and his brothers are actually underweight. On my mom’s side, about 40-45%.

    2. ALL the females, and 50% of the males. It’s a disgrace, I told ya.
      And I advised all of them to adopt a Paleo/LCHF diet. Only me & my father are following.
      So, guess who are the 50% of fit males in my family… 😉

    3. On my dad’s side, maybe 10%.
      On my mom’s side, about 70%. They really need to lay off the pasta and risotto.
      My grandmother (maternal) gave herself type 2 diabetes when she was in her 40s. She’s now 84, almost completely deaf and blind, can barely move, and has lost two of her toes. I’ve been told she would do stuff like eat an entire panettone in one sitting and wash it down with Diet Coke.

    4. Everyone but me varies between significantly-overweight to obese.
      For some reason ‘genetics’ seems to have skipped me, as I’m sure the Fat Power types won’t recognise that it’s the fact that I eat healthy food and exercise regularly, where the rest of the family will make bake cakes deserts that involve 3 cups of sugar and an entire tube of condensed milk for a ‘snack’. At any family event, they graze like hippos, never stopping for a second from shoving something into their mouths.
      My great aunt was warned about her diabetes, and the doctors told her she’d lose her legs if she kept eating the way she did. She kept eating, and they cut her legs off. What kind of mind willingly chooses that? Her son ate himself into both diabetes and heart problems, after being repeatedly-warned that he needed to lose weight. Now he’s on Warfurin, and his wife keeps feeding him the junk food doctors have warned him will kill him because “he’s sad and it makes him feel good”.
      My family are morons.
      After all these years, they still never, ever believe me when I say I don’t want a piece of chocolate or the greasy, junk crap they ingest, like someone could willingly pass up the very thing that makes them fat, sweaty, miserable blobs.
      One of my female cousins hugged me a while ago, always looking for any excuse to touch my muscles, since she’s been making goo-goo eyes at me since I was 17 or so, seemingly not caring that we’re related. I’m a big guy, but this was like falling *into* something that felt like flesh, but had no bottom, and stunk of sweat and unwashed skin. I broke out of the hug when I was worried it wasn’t going to end, and this… mass of warm flesh that didn’t feel human was going to swallow me whole.
      It was unsettling and unpleasant. I can’t imagine having sex with a fatty. You guys who can do it and stay hard must have nerves (and dicks) of steel.

      1. lol, yours might be a little worse, but mine is almost as bad. It’s weird because while I don’t think they’re total morons, if you have an extra 50+, well, even 20+ lbs. of lard on your body, you’re simply not making smart decisions. I can’t image some of them just simply going for a light jog in a million years. The only thin ones are the ones that are young & not old enough yet to have stored fat for decades. It’s like when I either eat something I shouldn’t have or start slacking on my workouts, I get a bit of belly fat, but we’re talking 50 in. waistlines on some of them…..maybe higher, lol. I just don’t get it.

    1. not true at all and it has a lot to do with the definition of fat. In some instances being a portly oligarch or Royal might have been popular( Henry the VIII was not fat in his youth). But there have been studies in numerous countries and thin tops fat and even muscly in nearly all of them.Since most on this site believe in biological reasons for mating then this might be of some interest:
      http://www.livescience.com/25079-females-prefer-thin-over-macho.html

    3. A healthy bodyweight in impoverished regions shows the same, but is more respected. Being fat is a sign of overindulgence and greed that reflects on the character of the person.
      It’s an insult to those most affected by food scarcity, as places commonly develop customs where even some of the wealthier who are able to buy more of the resource tend to consume only what they need. Fat people also inspire mistrust b/c they’re thought to be inherently greedy. Poor villages in Sri Lanka and India believe they come to assess what little they have and later devise plans to take it.
      This same attitude towards the overweight can also be seen in America on small single-family farms where they’re relatively isolated and must tend to animals and crops to feed themselves.

      1. Your mind is the King. Your hands are the Knights. The barbell is merely one of the weapons used to down your enemy. Any good Knight masters his body before he masters his weapons.

        2. I can picture you right now saying all this in some grandiose old English accent on a Game of Thrones set, hehe.

        3. This sounds like it could be in the sequel.
          The 48 more laws of power, written by English “Robert Greene” Bob
          *thumbs up*

        4. See? I agree. Sounds like it would be from a book.
          English Bob the best selling author

    2. I will say this. I started lifting, not for girls but to give myself an edge in a fight. I never thought about what girls thought about my body until much later.
      That said, we need to stop this overemphasis of weights. You do not need to lift heavy to grow muscle. And I do not lift at all anymore. The key is the food that you eat.

      1. Calysthenic or Convict Conditioning exercises (1hour/day, tops), a little swimming/running, paleo/LCHF food and maybe yoga or some martial art (if you like them) and you can say to doctors/cancer/fat bye-bye.

        1. Yeah, Progressive Calysthenics and Convict Conditioning exercises target good health and strenght, then you focus in looking good.

        2. Works for me except i’m not sure how Paleo strict my diet is. I’d probably fail on a requirement or two. Occasionally do Intermittent Fasting as well.
          That combined with a Convict Conditioning fitness philosophy definitely paid huge dividends for me.

        4. I’ve been looking at that book. Hmmm I’ll look more into it now. I go to the gym about 3 times a week but I wouldn’t mind doing some workouts at home.

        6. Yes. The author of the book talks how certain exercises of weight lifting are unnatural and thus dangerous for knees and elbow joints. But anyway I think that you can do both, and make them complement each other.

      2. “That said, we need to stop this overemphasis of weights. You do not need to lift heavy to grow muscle.”
        Wrong, actually. While you do not necessarily need weight plates, you do need RESISTANCE, and progressively more of it, to stimulate muscle growth. Weights are just the easiest and most controllable way to get that resistance

        1. Wrong eh? Point out where I said you don’t need resistance. And if you think weights are in any way easy then you haven’t been lifting long enough.

        2. yes, i was going to speak up for beachbody’s insanity programs. all body weight, great for getting you fit and lean. you can put on some good muscle while doing them if you eat right.

      4. As someone who trains athletes, I can tell you that doing both is the key. If I only focused on one or the other, my athletes would get their butts handed to them on the court of the field. Food is the key, but it is co-equal with smart weight lifting. Food and olympic weightlifting based power and strength work.

        1. What sports do you train your athletes for coach?
          For the record, I don’t disagree with weights per se, just that some people seem to hold the view that lifting is the only way to train.

        2. I’m strength coaching collegiate women’s volleyball. I agree that some people concentrate too much on weights, just the way some people focus too much on conditioning only. A specific few sports aside, to be a successful athlete needs both weight training and conditioning, and none athletes will see the greatest benefit in training both as well.

        3. In my sport its a little different. I think weight-training is fine if you are not currently training for a competition (Muay Thai) but otherwise the recovery time is too long for you to be able to fine tune your motor skills (punching, kicking) and timing effectively.
          Even strength training (using bodyweight) has to be carefully managed, perhaps even eliminated entirely shortly before the fight.

  6. Men always look better with a well-trained body. With increasing age the importance of a good diet and training routine is greater, unless you are willing to fuck older, uglier and fatter women.

    1. Even just for the sake of feeling energetic and enjoying your own life activities it’s important.
      But since this article is about social value, I see where you are coming from.

    2. It’s hard to reason why anyone would revert back to being fat when you’ve achieved a body like that.

      2. Christian Bale is another actor whk was fit and then turned to a blob for American Hustle.

        1. They get ripped like that because they take something. For example, Batman isn’t the biggest & baddest musclewise compared to say Arnold or Hulk or whoever, but they still need to be super fit at a level probably not achieved by “just a healthy diet & exercise” for something that’s recorded & on “film” until the end of time. You don’t want a slight tummy that millions, maybe billions, of people will see now & in the future.

      3. That level of definition may be hard to maintain for some people due to reasons. Also the pic on the right is a bad photo, you can tell that if he stood up properly, sucked in the gut and flexed he’d still look better than an actual fat guy.

        2. I cant believe that’s the same guy. And no, no amount of sucking in his belly is gonna help

        3. He IS an actual fat guy. Once your belly hangs and your tits droop, you’re fat

        4. Look closer, his 6 pack is actually still kind of there, it’s not fat rolls. Triceps are still there.
          The guy has probably been out on the booze all day at the pool/beach so his belly is bound to be bloated and its a bad photo in bad lighting with bad/fatigued posture. If you think that you can look awesome and ripped 24/7/365 then you’re in for a world of disappointment. Not to mention he has probably aged several years. Look at Arnie, looks nothing like he used to but still isn’t straight up fat.

      4. When you get older health problems can keep you out of the gym. IDK if that is true in his case but run into trouble with something like arthritis and…

      5. Motivation perhaps. He’s got it made now as opposed to being a struggling actor. Easier to let oneself go in the comfort zone.

      6. Because he never looked that way in the first place. The physiques of all the men in this movie were made with CGI–there have been articles about it.

        2. Not true. The cast trained at an Atlanta based private facility named GymJones. You can look it up and see some of their training. The Popular workout called 300, was their final test, and it is nothing short of brutal. Andrew Pleavin, who played Daxos, the leader of the Arcadians, finish the workout in 18 mins, which is nothing short of beast mode.

        3. The movie was based off a graphic novel (read: a comic book), and was not meant to be historically accurate.

        4. I’m sure that they worked out very hard, but their bodies are covered in CGI to give the look they have, and it’s clear as day. Look at any screencap of the entire film and tell me you think there’s anything remotely real about it.

      7. Taking out the lighting, and makeup, getting a body like that takes great effort: training 2+ hours per day, 5-6 times a week, 5-6 high protein meals per day, 7-9 hrs of sleeping, nutriologist, trainer, etc.
        As you can see, unless you are an athlete, actor or model, devoting 5 or more hours per day into your body is difficult and expensive. You can be healthy and look ripped with a reasonable routine, just don’t expect to look like Leonidas.

      8. Because getting a body like that, specifically in the case of the extremely low body fat percentage and muscle tone requires exhaustive training and austere dieting. If you think he was spending any less than 40% of every day sweating like crazy and eating anything other than fucking chicken breasts, supplements and raw vegetables (or something equivalently as difficult to exclusively eat), you’re not thinking hard enough.

        1. >requires exhaustive training and austere dieting.
          Well no shit brother, choose one: discipline vs comfort

    3. For 300 didn’t they use sprayed on body paint to enhance the look of their abs? I think he’s suffering from alcoholism anyhoo…….

      1. Yeah it’s a shame really, since the male wall is somewhere in our 50s if we keep in shape.

        1. Alcohol dries out the skin something serious. I’m cutting back and trying to keep hydrated. Its weird how trying to drink more water feels so difficult…..

        2. Yeah – most of my close buddies hardly drink and we are much younger looking in our late 30s. We only have one friend who regularly drinks wine and even now it is clear that he aged the most while being the most good-looking one among us. Alcohol is more toxic than it seems. I would not cut it out completely, but just limit it for occasional enjoyment.

  7. You can work out all you want but without diet it’s not going to show the results of your labor.
    The reason why so many people are fat nowadays is because they use food as a drug to cope with their negative emotions. If there’s one thing that will make your fat it’s carbs: starches, alcohol, sugar. Combine that with an excess in sodium intake and your body (and face) will get puffy. Not good for your SMV. Just eat real food stay away from the processed stuff.
    Being a young man you don’t even need to spend hours in the gym to look good. Just workout every other day for 45 minutes doing compound exercises. You know: squats, bench press, pullups, deadlift etc. http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=998224 The cardio can be done cycling to work, taking the stairs instead of the elevator. Be creative.

    2. Stress? People take less and less time to cook. They will say they are stressed out and use packaged and fast good to avoid having to cook meals using whole foods i.e. not in plastic wrapping.
      And processed meats? Believe me avoid mass produced sausages or any meat that is minced like the plague. Beef heart is considered beef……

    3. I like Ezekiel bread.
      But it has no sugar and only whole sprouted grains and protein (nut protein bc of the nuts and seeds that make the bread).
      Plus you gotta put it in the freezer or it goes bad in days, unlike its evil brother…..white/wheat bread.

  8. The number one reason guys work out is to get laid. There—I said it. Even if it’s not what fuels you to hit the gym every day, don’t lie—it’s almost definitely the reason you got started.
    Nope. In fact, you’ll know you’re doing something right when other MEN show admiration because it’s men who judge others by the type of look they want for themselves.
    Equally, when a woman dresses up, she does it to impress other women, she wants to make them envious of her.
    PUAs are the proof that one can bed women regardless of their looks as most PUAs I’ve seen are not very good looking or masculine.

    1. Agreed, I once told a guy, who was wearing a superman T, that he looked aesthetic. The guy got so ecstatic the he grabbed his girl and started making out with her on the spot. She didn’t know what the fuck was going on but knew he was extremely happy.
      He probably gets attention from women all time but I bet that was the first time ever that another guy has ever complimented him on his physique.

    2. “Equally, when a woman dresses up, she does it to impress other women, she wants to make them envious of her.”
      That’s just hamstering on women’s part. They usually say that to try to calm down a jealous boyfriend before a girl’s night out.

    3. “PUAs are the proof that one can bed women regardless of their looks as most PUAs I’ve seen are not very good looking or masculine.”
      and now imagine if PUA`s would actually look good. When i look at lair meetings here in germany im often embarassed at how faggy so many of them look, to me its no wonder they need tight game. im glad im out of the scene and found the manosphere, life isnt all about cunts. many PUA dont understand that.

  9. All Hail the Iron God. And yes, originally it was to help get laid. Now I enjoy it for it’s own sake. It’s also surprising how many guys will compliment you on putting on the muscle.
    In this vein: one of the guys at work is into extreme ultramarathon. He just finished one here in NZ where you basically spend a week kayaking, biking, climbing, running non-stop 24/7 – day, night, rain, shine – if you’re lucky you get 3 hours sleep a night. He still looks whacked out and it took him 6 days to complete. The winners took about 4 days.

  10. I am getting tired of the rise of the metrosexual six pack Twilight guys everywhere. Sick of it- you look like a bunch of homo erotic faggots taking pictures of your bodies like kim kardashian.
    If anything, these six pack metrosexual gay culture men are a disgrace to masculinity. Keep your abs under clothes and stop behaving like some metrosexual fag.
    Fucking faggots with your waxed bodies and ugly ass tattoos, thinking you look like men. More like a bunch of modern day effiminate baby faced faggots.

    2. Right, people who are big and strong that exhibit good posture and have the discipline and fortitude necessary to eat right and develop a low enough body fat percentage to reveal their abdominals and THEN have the audacity to maybe show off the fruits of their hard labor every once in awhile are all metrosexual twilight loving faggots. Makes total sense, now go eat another cheeseburger and then maybe you can drink a nice tall glass of your own tears to wash it down fat ass.

      1. Lol.
        Typical fag response. Now go and brush your slick back hipster hairdos, and save some princess like the white knight fag you are.

        1. save some princess? hahahahahaha how fucking dense are you?? You’re the one posting videos about Eastwood riding to the rescue of some slant eyed whore and claiming “thats what real men do”.

        2. Clint Eastwood, James Gandolfini, Gary Cooper, Clark Gable, Steve Mcqueen, Humprey Bogart= REAL MEN
          Seth Rogen, Justin Bieber, Zac Efron, Joseph Gordon Levitt, Twilight cast= your generation.Your generation of pussy herd gathering, effeminate girly men fags.

        3. ahh, its making more sense now. You’re some old washed up who’s pissed that todays generation has turned into a bunch of faggots. I done blame you, you’re right. However in todays world of pussified half men why are you getting pissy about guys putting in effort to fight the norm and develop muscular bodies?

        4. its not the effort of men training themselves. On the contrary- i admire that you guys are training and staying in shape. Swcharznegger and Stallone did it as well.
          My problem is the way your generation of boys behave. The whole body building thing has become generic. Worse yet, it has now manifested itself into some effeminate emasculated activity, where guys are waxing themselves like girls, taking pictures of their bodies like girls, getting tattoos like girls, and honestly making themselves look like metrosexual fags.
          Thats the reality and problem here.

        5. You’re confusing bodybuilding with general weight training. If your bodybuilding to compete then getting waxed is pretty much mandatory. And its the complete opposite with tattoos, “getting tattoos like girls” you said. Girls shouldn’t get tattoos period. Women that with tattoos are hot in spite of them not because of them. On the other hand I see so many guys go out and get meaningless shit inked in their skin, its become a fucking fashion statement and nothing more. I asked some asshole in the gym I go to why he got a sword tatted on his forearm and he comes back with “oh i just thought it looks cool”. Honestly I would get one because If they they are done the right way they do look good, but If I’m getting inked its going to have a meaning behind it, a purpose, not just fashion bullshit so yes i do see where you’re coming from with that. And as far as the shirtless selfies go, if you’re not taking them solely for progress pics then you’re a fuckin fag. If you then take those pics and post them to social media pages then you’re an even bigger fag.

        7. I agree, A-lot of Men in My generation don’t know how to act like Men Mentally, they can develop the body of a Man in the Gym , but Mentally they are far from it . There are even ripped homosexuals now, so thats evidence enough that weight lifting doesn’t make Men. A Man must first develop his Mind, the weightlifting helps but it’s not necessary.I do Lift, But I try to balance all aspects in my Life, Like the Greek Philosophy “Arete”.

    3. I agree. Having a swimmer body type doesn’t make them gay (you can blame gays for making it stereotyped) but trying to get some sort of attention from it is part of the pussification of men.

    4. Yeah, what about guys shaving their legs or chests ? wtf is this ? I see it more and more.

  11. My motivation to workout has never been to get more box. If you are motivated to workout by that, you will flameout. More box has always been one of the nice side effects of working out, but never the motivation. I started working out playing football when younger and realized I was good at it, my body grew easily, and I continued and and all of the sudden broads starting approaching dramatically more often, especially at the beach. I now enjoy working out for the way it makes me feel from the neck up. Everything else, lots of positive side effects

  13. As a man you must work out if you want a social life. There might be exceptions if you have over the top sense of humor, or you’re worth millions.

  14. lol I feel sorry for the type that joined a gym to get laid.
    I guess when you never played sports, nor had personal goals that were related to physical conditioning (military/police/fire/paramedic) … straight up aesthetics is the remaining lure.
    Not discounting the fact that the look is absolutely a huge part of it.
    this is just jokes.
    Somewhere, someone is going to read this, and buy into the author’s personal training pitch.
    the author’s pic makes me laugh too. lol but hey, he can show you how to beast if you’re too much of an idiot to do your own research and take initiative with your own life.
    lol

    1. In all honesty I don’t think all men left weights just to get laid or impress girls either. Testosterone rules just as high.

    2. Yeah. I love to squat and deadlift and it doesn’t flatter my 5’9″ frame to add bulk around the hips and lower back. But so what? I love the compound lifts. If it was all about sculpting for the women, I would just bench, dip and curl three times a week and run sprints without bothering to do cleans, DL’s, low bar back squats etc.

      1. Same.
        I can pull 400 pounds off the ground but I don’t have the typical “bodybuilder” physique.
        Would take me a few months of focused upper body training to turn my compound lifter’s body into a more sculpted shape I think.
        I wouldn’t trade my base strength for a weak body with abs though.

        1. Nothing says you can’t have both, bro. Keep hitting the big lifts and getting stronger on them, and add a few assistance movements with perhaps higher volume for a bit more hypertrophy. Or use some form of ‘periodization’

        2. you can deadlift 400? that’s impressive clark. i did 255lb last week and lemme tell you, i felt like the man! looks like i have room to improve after-all (i weigh approx 155lb and am 5″11). i’m gonna keep at it.

  15. Most young guys can look/be fit with minimal effort. The real challenge is maintaining as you reach your 50’s and 60’s. I see very few older badasses… but they’re out there.

    2. To be honest I think the article is aimed mainly at younger guys anyway, not older men in their 60’s.

    3. I have an uncle who’s consistently lifted since he was a young man. Didn’t lift as much later on in his fifties but still put in time for strength workouts. He’s well into his 70’s now. Still looks & probably is stronger than the average male squeak. One of those old school men (with a business degree) unafraid to speak his mind.
      Oh yeah & he didn’t dope up & doesn’t smoke or drink much either.
      I guess it’s deciding with mental effort whether one wants to be or look a certain way once you pass a certain age.

        1. Damn right. I’d like to think for our time, in terms of well known faces, Liam Neeson could possibly be heading in that direction.
          Wondering what Chuck Norris is up to these days as well. Brooks Kubik is a current well known strength & fitness coach well into his fifties who demonstrates bad ass strength (for a man any age).

        2. Hmmm, I’m not sure Norris was ever a super ripped dude, then again, Neeson is cool but not super muscular either.

        3. Yep, Brooks is the real deal and has published some great info on how to stay fit and strong at any age.

  16. “Posture”
    Absolutely!
    That was actually one of the first things they taught us in Scouts. Shoulders back, chest out, and eyes up–imagine you’ve got Superman’s laser-eyes, and keep them parallel with the ground. Only look down if you need to.

  17. “If and when you find yourself naked with a girl—and you have solid muscular definition—it will undoubtedly add to her sexual excitement.”
    I don’t think you can generalize that. I heard other people argue that it’s actually the other way around, that women would prefer normal looking guys in the bedroom.
    Reason: Sex with a normal looking guy makes her look prettier in comparison so she feels more attractive while sex with a Calvin Klein model would be too intimidating.

    1. But at the end of the day she would rather have sex with the fit guy than the normal guy.

    2. That’s the predicament that fat American girls are in. They’re 60 pounds overweight and a guy with a six pack in their face brings out an insecurity that can’t even be hamstered away. Non-Americans around the world just like what they like.

  18. I wouldn’t associate Jason Statham as the role model muscle guy but there you go.

    1. He’s got a very practical, natural and strong physique. Maintaining an extra thirty pounds of water filled, protein shake muscle ala Stallone is a bit outdated anyway. It’s stupid and too much wear and tear on your organs, colon etc.

      1. There’s more than just protein going on w/ Stallone’s physique. Statham’s is more realistic for the average guy, you’d have to be a naturally bigger guy plus very dedicated to reach Stallone’s….& some extra “help” probably wouldn’t hurt.

        1. Stallone definitely uses some extra “help”, but hey, at 62 or whatever he still is muscular and hard as nails, so a lot of discipline goes into that for sure. Thing is, these guys work with their body. Guys of the ilk of Stallone earn their livelihood from looking fit and strong on camera, and it earns them millions at that level. That sort of gives them a big incentive to work out I suppose 🙂 And we can safely assume that everyone who earns serious money from his appearance and physical performance is on some form of ‘enhancement’ nowadays.

        2. I think Stallone had a lot of misguided effort over the years in terms of his physicality. He worked hard for sure but he seemed to fall for all of the bodybuilding myths. Thousands of crunches, ab-roller balls, isolated movements, machine work. He bought into that pumped up/get cut crap. I never heard him mention deadlifts, squats, press etc. It was all Weider with him. I think he looks weird now too. Yeah, he’s old so you have to pull your punches a bit but there is a weirdly veiny look to him that looks bad and even a bit unhealthy. He’s so synthetic looking. Those are pumped up, protein shake muscles. If he went to such extremes to be cut, I’m sure he went to extremes in his diet and supplementation. That doesn’t pay.
          For me it’s;
          Press, squat, deadlift, pullups, hiking, shuttle runs. All basic. Basic smart diet. I’m not trying to gain or lose a pound. Just use my body well and eat decent stuff and let my body sort itself out how it needs to. The extremes are not good for you long-term.

  19. I look around me, and all I see is a bunch of fat guys with beer bellies who are dads and have families. If being fit gives advantages to getting laid, it doesn’t show here at all.

    2. But who fathered those children? According to the latest figures, around one in ten children in ‘nuclear’ families were actually fathered by a man their mother cheated with.

  20. I respect the guys that have the mental fortitude and discipline to develop the physiques shown in the pictures of the article. It takes extremely hard work. I would posit another more indirect way that fitness affects your social standing and that is: your ability to do things in life.
    For example, a lot of guys here where I live are avid climbers, hikers, and snowboarders. It is not unusual for them to hike fourteeners in the spring, rock climb in the fall and snowboard in the winter! Being fit allows you to do fun things, being fat and out of shape makes it really tough to discover all the fun that a guy can have. Do you need a six pack? I don’t believe so and that is personally not one of my goals, but at the very least our goals should be practically minded and allow us more freedom in life.
    It’s a snowball effect. You workout to improve your ability to have fun and do interesting things, having fun and doing interesting things improves your lifestyle, improved lifestyle makes it easier to run game. All good stuff.
    Maybe you’re not as active as some guys are or maybe you just don’t consider active things like that fun. I was in the same boat, it took a lot of thought, but I came to the realization that I only need one truly physical hobby. I managed to choose two that I am interested in pursuing: Blacksmithing (don’t laugh there is an apprentice program near where I live and I have a passionate interest in ancient history and warfare!) and snowboarding (I really would prefer surfing, but that will be tough to do where I live and I figured that it is almost the same thing.) The point is that there is something physical that every guy can do and there is a level of fitness appropriate for that guy that allows him to improve the quality of his life. You just have to do some soul searching and figure out what it is. There is a whole world waiting for you!

    2. Well put. The blacksmithing aspect has the added advantage of having you work on your craftsmanship & keeping your brain gears well oiled. I almost envy you, hehe.
      Strong craftsmanship allied with physical fitness are a few of the key features of the truly masculine man.

  21. It gets harder for some of us as we get older, but you have to stay on top of shit. Thats what seperates us from the betas, you should never have any excuse, plan for what happens when your metabolism slows down, pay attention to your intake. Hard work, discipline and dedication will do it. Fuck what everyone else says or does, in the long run, you win.

  22. I agree with this article (especially point 3 – it does not get enough emphasis). However, there is definitely a point of diminishing returns. Lifting and not being fat by themselves are not enough to get the girl. It will only get you part of the way there. You will have to work on the other parts of your game as well.
    That being said, don’t interpret what I said above as an excuse not to work out, lift, and eat a correct diet.

  23. If you want to look for what man women want open up a fashion magazine and look at the male models.
    The fully clothed ones of course. Take a good look. There is two factors that they look for.

    1. no fashion mags to hand. care to alleviate the suspense? hair and low body fat?

  24. Good article, but I was disappointed when it ended so quickly. These kinds of articles would be gold if you made them longer and a little more in-depth. There’s more to be said and I’d love to read more of these when I have the chance.
    Peace!

  25. Personality is probably 70% looks 30%. I think many men make the mistake that its more valuable because we judge women so much on looks. I was ripped when I was younger, but I pull hotter girls now because I’ve learned what to say. Don’t let your gut stop you from hitting on a chick.

    1. I have learned the hard way through years of observation that women are totally depraved. They will fuck just about anything. My concern is always “What has she fucked? What has she allowed in her vagina before me?” In the past it was something to worry about but these days anxiety is a word that seems to fall short of capturing the dread of finding out later that you may have picked up some luggage that you will be lugging around for the rest of your life. The scumbag, low I.Q, disease ridden guys/vermin I see most women with these days or the incompetent dorky Betas are proof that womens standards are low. Lately I’ve seen some “guys/Amoukar from Quest for Fire” with some of the skankiest skanks that you have ever seen in your worse nightmare and it is obvious they could do better; which is terrifying from a genetic stand point. Standards are low everywhere it seems. No one cares about breeding, blood or genetic excellence anymore. They are more concerned with their dogs pedigree than with their own. Their behavior, BOTH male and female, is now closer to a dogs than a sentient, self aware, divinely inspired ~ Man. Also, the Donkey Lady in Tijuana is not an aberration it seems. Catherine the Great, Eve in The Garden, Alexander the Great’s mother Olympias and her snakes or Leda and the Swan for example. History of Zoophilia – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_zoophilia So don’t let these low level, bottom of the barrel, bitches in heat intimidate you whatsoever, they would probably go down on your dog after a couple of beers and a little encouragement. Definitely your horse.

      2. Years ago I was banging my fairly hot massage therapist who worked in my clinic. She was a small town girl, formerly chubby, who worked out 4x per week and achieved a 9.5 body (for my tastes). Instant boner every time we were nude. She was also a prolific squirter. Anyways, she was meant as only a summer fling, so I took a lot of liberties with her, which surprised me because she came across as quite conservative, grounded and moral. Anyways, I moved on to a hotter little princess with more class, which drove the massage therapist quite wild, although it didn’t blow up in the clinic, thankfully. So a few months later, I bump into her at a bar and she’s hammered and with this complete troll — he worked at a pet store and we used to buy aquarium fish from him for the clinic and joke about how ugly and weird the guy was. While she was in the bar’s washroom, I converse with the drunk troll, and his loose lips let slip that he’s banging the massage therapist! And then I find out, he’s talked her into a 3-some with her homely / skinny friend!! I couldn’t even look her in the face anymore after I found that out, and it became even more awkward at the office. The thought of that troll pounding her (and pushing her limits farther than I did) was VERY unsettling for me, even to this day.

        1. Thanks for sharing. I have found that it’s the psychological shocks which cause the most damage, especially long term. A man may slap his wife/girlfriend which heals in a week. A woman will wield her tongue like a stiletto and cause a wound to ones mind and heart that will never heal. At least from my experience.

    2. I would guess-timate the following ratios are important for closing the deal with above-average modern women:
      40% game / manufactured personality
      30% facial looks
      20% physique (build, height)
      10% perceived social status / style
      1) Game / personality can be 100% created and tailored.
      2) Looks can be 50% enhanced with weight loss, decent haircut, good grooming, a suntan and maybe some funky eyeglasses.
      3) A physique can be dramatically improved by weight loss / working out, and height can be improved by ~2 inches without much trouble.
      4) Style is 100% created, and social status can be faked to a great degree.
      And I find, based on this scale, you need to get over 50% to get laid regularly. For example, if you have perfect game and perceived social status, you’d be at 50% and wouldn’t need much from looks or physique. Same for a guy with perfect looks and body, also combined for 50%, so not much game or social status needed.

  26. Yep, I got WAAAAAYYY more LMR when I was carrying a flabby belly.
    I’m back to being more lean now and I’ve had precisely NIL resistance with all my recent conquests when it came to the getting naked stage.
    Just 3 months ago I blew out with not one but two prospects: slept in the same bed with them, the first girl for 4 nights in a row, the second girl for 3 nights in a row: no dice! (and it wasn’t for lack of trying…)
    Now I’m leaned out and buffed up a bit, both of my last notches have banged me within hours of meeting me: the first within one hour, the second one within 3 hours!
    It makes a difference.

  27. Worked briefly as an engineer & switched to the outdoor education/adventure industry for a few years now. Being functionally fit here is like being a French language teacher who obviously has to have a powerful grasp of..French.
    I don’t lift as much as i’d like to ( barbell deadlifts & kettlebell swings & snatches being my favorites) but all the expedition hiking, kayaking, rock & wall climbing & sailing etc takes care of most of my fitness needs.
    From a social value aspect, people do take you more seriously if you’re fit. Being fit is leverage for clearer decision making & risk assessments out in the field & just plain ol’ looking & sounding like you have a handle on things. And yes, the lizards & honeys love that sort of thing, especially when away from their usual creature comforts, hehe.

  28. A guy in the office got fat and now he’s rocking an extra fifty pounds in his gut, so I’ll likely get the next promotion coming our way.
    Best part is his super hot gf keeps sneaking round to mine while he’s been sneaking off to McDonald’s for a second dinner. I’ll never tell him cuz the fat fuck did it to himself; he doesn’t deserve any respect. So I’ll gladly take her off his hands.

  29. You work out cuz you wanna look like porn actors. That’s fine. Just remember to drop the 80s pony tail.

  30. Whatever about turning her on, if you are in shape you will also have built up quite a bit of stamina. This will come in handy between the sheets when you fuck……the……shit…..out …..of……her.
    When she can’t take any more and you’re still going you will have lit a fire inside her that will last as long as you want to hang around tapping that ass.
    One woman I was with a few years ago orgasmed 3 times before I finished up. She hasn’t forgotten.
    I’m no Jason Stratham but I’ll give him a run for his money…..

  31. Your physical stature affects how people interact with you. I’m 5’7″ and I noticed that really tall people, like 6’3″ and above, talk down to me. You ever ride in a car with two friends and been the one in the backseat? You get treated like the one in the backseat. It sucks, but us humans are all retarded like that. Stature affects how much respect you get even though it has very little to do with how worthy of respect you are.

    1. An té nach bhfuil láidir, ní foláir dó bheith glic. ~ the one who isn’t strong must be clever.

  33. One reason nobody mentions why today’s young people are unfit is BAGGY CLOTHING. Even for playing sports.
    OK, I’m an older guy. I grew up in the 70s/80s when all young people played sports in skimpy clothing. Boys and girls both wore short shorts and t-shirts or tank tops. Swimming trunks for boys were speedos. Whenever I stayed at a hostel, the showers were communal (sex segregated) so you saw all the other guys. Nudist beaches were common in Europe and enough young people went that it was quite pleasant.
    What I’m getting at is, when your body is visible to the world, you make damn sure to look good. Young people were nearly always well proportioned, boys were muscular and girls had figures. Social life meant face to face contact and you had to be ready to stand up in a fight.
    Then the pedophiles ruined it. And the moms found out.
    All of a sudden, kids started wearing baggy clothes and long shorts for sports (and I’d personally like to kill slowly the person who thought baggy swimming trunks were a good idea). Suddenly, muscles were not so visible and kids started playing with computers.
    Doughy kids became the norm and feminists rejoiced because men were no longer a threat. Instead of muscles, kids call mom when threatened and she calls a lawyer. Now kids can’t run round the playground because if one falls over, the school gets sued.
    Once again, thanks for nothing feminists.

  36. dunno about you but the whole male gym culture in australia is fucking pathetic. i see grown men in their 20s taking gym selfies, talking as loud as possible, acting like closet homosexuals, being fucking annoying even in workplaces to other men who dont take the same interest or arent interested in acting like complete retards. the sole reason they go there is to get into the pussies of loose women and to get the approval of other men. these guys reek of a homoerotic vibe. They act like western women in mens bodies. below is an included selfie from a ‘alpha male’ quoted by his own facebook page, which looks more like a teenage girls.
    If thats modern masculinity i think ill take my own path of what a man is supposed to be.

    1. I’ve been amazed at the increase in roided up berserkers in aus cities, esp the Gold Coast over the past decade. All the muscle with none of the character that you get from hard work building it.

  37. The second best thing I’ve ever done for myself was to
    regularly attend a gym. I’ve learned
    that while its brains, hard work, and large doses of inspiration on the job
    that enable men to be economically successful today, I’ve come to understand
    that people, and I mean everyone, responds in a highly positive manner to those
    who are fit.
    One only has to go back a few hundred years to see that it
    was brawn that brought success. From
    basic survival to the ancient endeavors of protecting and conquering, it was
    size that mattered. And humans are still
    brain wired for that today and that’s why everyone reacts so well to fit guys. I cannot understate how pushing on the gym
    iron has changed people’s perception of me from general indifference to being highly
    positive and receptive to my presence.
    Today’s knowledge economy means most people sit at a desk
    using modern tools like computers to perform their business activities. But, after putting in a full day of work sitting
    in a chair one feels tired. This is a
    misperception of the feeling of lethargy, i.e. the lack of circulation from not
    doing physical activity.
    We humans were not only designed for physical activity but
    for extensive physically demanding exertion! Without it we’re just not as healthy. Those getting in a good workout after a day
    of sitting will even feel refreshed afterwards.
    In addition one notices a feeling of relief from the stresses encountered
    during the day. I think it’s a
    combination of getting one’s circulation going plus the addition of hormone
    releases which give that feeling of satisfaction. I’m thinking too those hormones may help with
    faster healing of injuries. I’ve read
    the veins in one’s lower extremities have one-way valves to control
    circulation, but they require exercise, the contraction of muscles that pressurizes
    those veins, to help move the blood along.
    In the end, one feels better and is healthier for it.
    I believe people subconsciously pick up on this. They behave negatively to those who are
    overweight and sick, indifferent to those who aren’t very healthy, and respond quite
    positively to those who are fit. People
    are primarily visual and first impressions last. Showing up with an imposing physical presence
    can be a critical advantage in winning someone over to your side, like
    convincing someone of your point of view, getting that job, or catching the
    ladies eye.
    As Mr. Del Jefe said, like a career or in developing any
    skill, it’s going to take some years to build up noticeable muscle, but keep at
    it and keep attending. Make the gym part
    of your social scene and you’ll find going will be a desire instead of
    drudgery. I’d say it took me over five
    years to put on the muscle I carry. Guys
    starting at a younger age will get better results sooner. With regular dedication one can very likely
    go up three shirt sizes within a time span of only five years (that was me).
    Improving and maintaining your general health with vigorous
    exercise has the additional benefit of leveraging your fitness to ever greater
    prosperity. Last item on this; don’t
    take your phone into the gym where you can be disrupted, gym time is your time.

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