119 thoughts on “6 Terminator Robots Google Is Developing Alongside Its Artificial Intelligence Program”

1. Yes, they get money from DARPA (an agency of the Dept. of Defense) so they can test these robots to help the elderly in the future.
   You have to fucking laugh at the sheer audacity to try to paint this project as “human friendly”. These things are being developed for war (first) and then maybe they’ll make a profit in the private sector (second).
   Anyone thinking otherwise is a complete idiot or very naive.

   1. Scary thing is that Google can access a lot of information about a lot of people thanks to Facebook. Also they will definitely be used for military and police use well before elderly care.

      1. That’s why you have to laugh at it all. They act like what they are doing is so noble when in the end one of these robots will come for them (the irony). People are that stupid.

         1. http://vigilantcitizen.com/moviesandtv/chappie-new-transhumanist-religion/
            That’s what the mainstream media feeds the general population.

   2. That’s true. I have been following news about this for ten years now, not least on the IEEE site. As a technology teacher I frequently mentioned and showed my students articles about how far they had come. Even grownup students just mocked an laughed at this. Darpa put money in Boston Electronics and Google bought the latter. It will take a thousand men to take down one of these.
      As Driver says, do not believe their propaganda.

      1. What worries me are the Screamers.

      2. The resistance will make EMP weapons. Problem solved.

      3. Google said their motto was “don’t be evil”, but look at those jews now, buying out Boston Dynamics, developing military robots!
         Don’t worry. Whites are technologically superior to jews and also spiritually superior to jews.

   3. This is not unheard of. Lasik surgery was a side development of the research of missiles. So too was the NASA program, and led to all the advancements we now enjoy from it. Everything from materials that could withstand re-entry, to freeze dried food.

      1. Some good points. I don’t have any trouble with advancements in technology and making our lives better. I just have a problem with someone trying to sell me a shit sandwich – try it, it tastes great.
         It’s similar to saying we have to take in all of these “migrants”…because of the children. Where? What children? Give me a fucking break.

         1. I get what you are saying. It does appear that years from now, we may slide down an evolutionary dead end on the slippery slope of progress induced by fear of the unknown!

      2. Is it inconceivable that we could have developed laser eye surgery without military research? Would it have actually been even better if we didn’t divert resources to stuff we’re going to blow up?
         NASA is a certifiable joke though.

         1. Alright, NASA is anything but a certifiable joke. The only certified joke is the funding they keep getting stripped of.
            It is conceivable. But most of us do not have the strength of the American Taxpayer to count on for research! On top of that, the stuff we blow up now, is blown up by weapons that are safer due to less collateral damage and unbelievably better precision!
            Often, now at least, if you kill an innocent it is your ass.
            A lot of the tech created for the military winds up in civilian/business uses. The Internet is the descendent of military research from the 60s. The military wanted a superior, faster, and more efficient form of communication.
            Engines, material science (clothing to plastic, nuff said), computers, flight, radar (tornado warnings), electronics, fuel improvements, springs, distributors for autos, and a whole host of other stuff!
            Your statement, no offense, is most likely a losing battle against seeming ocean waves of non stop advancements due to military research!

         2. NASA is a government boondoggle and its failures are legion especially measured against its own objectives:

            “By the year 2000 we will undoubtedly have a sizable operation on the Moon, we will have achieved a manned Mars landing, and it’s entirely possible we will have flown with men to the outer planets.”
            Wernher von Braun, 1969

            Lets leave aside the sheer amount of money poured in year after year without success.
            The military is the same kind of joke. If you think the most efficient way to develop new technology is to wait for the military to come up with it you need your head examined.

   4. Question: do you foresee handheld EMP devices to be effective / readily available?

      1. I highly doubt it. EMP in video games and movies is quite different than what we can honestly do. The powers that be are developing non nuclear EMP devices but I question their effectiveness. The staggering amount of energy required makes it a unrealistic

         1. Not EMP.
            Microwave induced currents.
            And truck mounted microwave emitters already exist. Israel has already programmed an experimental directed microwave beam attack into their Green Pine radar system that can burn out missile guidance systems by brute force EM induction.

         2. The question concerned handheld versions. I do not believe such weapons will ever be practical. Frying SCUDs is nice but odds are they would miss anyway.

         3. Try microwaving a fork.
            At pistol range, building harmful microwave devices that operate on readily available power requires only just enough intellect to know how to assemble a microwave antenna, but not enough intellect to realize that what you’re building is just about as dangerous to you as it is to what you’re pointing it at.
            Recklessly inducing currents with microwaves is not hard. Just stupid.

         4. So you’re saying that developing this new technology is impossible?

      2. Oh sure. I see it as an answer to these robots (which will be used by the police and military).
         They are working on different weapons, now, to bring down drones (used by law enforcement and the military).

      3. Or maybe you can just hack them and turn them on their masters.

   5. You see the police and soldiers are not so big into the planned tyranny. But they can get just enough minions together to run the robots. .

      1. You can only hope we have enough to take back our government. It’s been taken hostage for too long, now.

   6. Wouldn’t it just be cheaper to euthanize the elderly? After all they consume resources rather than produce them. Why would we would to support their largesse by giving them expensive robots?

      1. I can see that happening. It was just too funny to see how they have this noble cause to develop robots to “help the elderly”. We know what comes first during any development…(war, the military) and then it goes into civilian circulation.
         The sheer balls to think and say they are doing work “for the greater good” is laughable. Yes, it’s all about helping the elderly.
         Elderly to Google: Fuck you.

         1. I think the elderly should help themselves. When they are young. Instead of expected strangers to help them out.

   7. Perhaps the future will be about highly skilled people each commanding an army of robots to fight each other like a mini-general.

   8. I was reading the first chapter of When Google Met Wikileaks (free chapter online) and it talks about all the connections between Eric Schmitz and the funding that Google got when it was started. Basically Google got started with DARPA funds and they have more/different capabilities than the CIA now…

      1. In-Q-Tell. Facebook too…it’s a CIA VC fund

      2. Of course. Many should see Google as the new KGB because that’s who they are (in the virtual world). They’ll gladly hand over your data to the federal government “for the greater good”.
         You only stay on top for so long and there will come a time when Google will be gone as well (like the others).

2. This shit is too weird to even believe! Thanks so much Sergei Brin and Larry Page (sic sic sic!)! Call me a Luddite, but, um… Yeah. Oh yeah, when can the average man buy one of these to impress sluts? ;*)

3. I have been watching this with interest ever since google bought Boston Dynamics. I figure, sooner or later the gov will ask google to pay their taxes and google will tell them to go fuck themselves.
   For what it is worth, if google uses a robot army to take over the country I am not even 100% sure I would oppose it. An omnipotent google only wants people to consume. They would probably just build the helmet where I can have a three way with a young rita heyworth and Olivia Wilde all day while I wasted away to nothing.
   I am not saying it is good, but if google is going to make us into vegetables at least they will be entertaining. Not like the current bunch of asshats

   1. Can you combine Rita heyworth and olivia wilde at the same time (yeah, I don’t mean like that). You might as well have Mary Queen of Scotts and Meg Ryan.

4. Wildcat at 1.17 is astonishing.
   No doubt within a couple of years these things will be deployed in middle eastern warzones. Clearly less intimidating than your drones flying overhead, and of course as a good will gesture when they’re off-line you could always let the locals fuck em. Give the goats a bit of a break. Bit of advanced peace-keeping for you

5. “Is this something that will benefit mankind? Or will it be used as a force multiplier against the masses? After all, there’s nothing better for tyranny than a soldier or enforcement officer that has no feelings of guilt or remorse for what they’re inflicting on society.”
   You nailed it.
   Never have I regretted not to have kids so as to not bring a child into the coming dystopia.
   As if the fight to prevent europe from becoming planet of the sharia apes isn’t isn’t enough, we are also witnessing how our developing technologies are going to bite us in the ass one day.
   And when Artificial Intelligence gets to the point where machines make other machines, the so-human race could very well end up done for….. may not be such a bad thing.

6. “Some of the world’s leading scientists and engineers including Stephen Hawking and Elon Musk have warned this merger of AI and robotics could have potentially disastrous consequences for mankind,”
   This other online school based in the UK, one might argue it is the Prager U of Engand, I don’t agree on all of their conclusions to every topic that they put out on their you tube channel, but their presentation on AI was interesting (7 minutes)
   Watch “Artificial Intelligence” on YouTube
   

7. Perhaps we evolved from the future. When we look and stare in wonder at these machines maybe we’re really just seeing our remote inorganic ancestry? Like the physical constant of heat always moving from hot to cold, I believe greater intelligence and complexity as a universal constant always moves from inorganic to organic. I think Googlex are literally going the “wrong way”.

   1. so you have been reading Sarfatti?

      1. No, I’m not familiar with him. Roger Penrose helped prompt my mind in certain ways which I’ve never abandoned at a theoretical level (like Platonism and skepticism about the rules of computational intelligence in AI). At the moment, I just too tired to read anything!! The necessity of making ends meet robs us of so much energy for more worthy pursuits!

         1. I’ve been very interested in retrocausality for some time. As a non-scientist / physicist it’s dangerous territory but I believe some physicists take the idea seriously, and quantum mechanics seems to allow for variations on time’s arrows. Of course one doesn’t have to approach it in such a way. The idea has also had some takers amongst philophers / theologians. I think Teilhard de Chardin was one such, and a more recent catholic theologian whose name escapes me. Sarfatti, is incomprehensible to me as his arguments are mathematical, but basically it sounds like he was a 70s surfer dude who had one trip to many. He came up with the idea of the God Phone. God was calling from the future. Or maybe it was an episode of the twilight zone

         2. out of interest, what Penrose. I have a couple of his books but haven’t read them. Emperors new mind & a very thick tome called the road to reality which literally scares me

         3. He wrote the Road to Reality as book that was intended for general readership. However there are very few people who share the author’s naivety on this aspiration. In reality (pun intended) you’d need a fairly good grasp of university mathematics,physics and philosophy to get everything he writes about. ENM and Shadows of the Mind are sightly more accessible, but, only marginally so!

         4. Yes, Penrose takes the idea of retrocausality seriously. Even at the classic, Newtonian level of reality it doesn’t necessarily mathematically violate any concept. We habitually are conditioned to think ever since Hume’s era that causes must always precede effects, but it this universally the case? An effect can actually cause something to occur which violates this rule, which is more empirical and observational rather than mathematical.
            I’m not sure about the God phone, but, again there’s no logical rule that violates the idea that the future already exists ahead of us? In such a scenario we could theoretically receive information from our future if we knew what to listen for.

         5. I guess I’ve know that ever since superman the ultimate white knight span the world in the opposite direction to save lois lane. There may be more than one position on this though. One can imagine complete retrocausality, which is simply a counter-intuitive reversal of everything assumed to be the case in terms of the directionality of cause/effect, however equally there could be a bi-directionality time-wise speaking. If time is an illusion – block universe? – then in a sense retrocausality, might be a further illusion in itself. I’m not sure I’m ready to live in a post-causal universe though. From a narrative / literary point of view though, you also get ideas such as intertexuality, (& hypertextuality) which emphasise non-linearity, and something in a way analogous to the ideas that get discussed in physics (I wouldn’t overstress that though). It’s something of a cliche to say an author should start at the end and work backwards

         6. It says a lot for the power of marketing that people like me bought that book thinking they could make head or tail of it. I will pick it up again if I decide to tackle physics one day.

         7. could you send me a Shadows of the mind ”pdf or epub” by email ? that would be nice of you man, if you like to here’s my mail : [email protected]
            thanks in advance man

         8. It’s not available free of charge in this format.

8. Since they’re already into the Terminator/Skynet business, I hereby challenge Google to build this:
   http://photos.summer-glau.com/albums/Tagged3/normal_TSCC-season-2-poster-21.jpg
   I’m sure that the nerdy scientists to eventually build it will initially take the obligatory hover-hand photo with this model so as not to damage it by accident.

9. When you think about it, “Google” really is a far more appropriate and terrifying name than “Skynet”.

   1. We’ll always be immortal on googlesphere, that terrible vacuum where our souls will always live on as the shadows of ghosts.

      1. Forever locked into the torture cube of some soulless Jupiter brain.

   2. The cloud=Skynet

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10. I have written about this topic previously on ROK…
    Most tech being developed today is bad for regular people whom are not part of the true “Owners of Capital” class and its really unfortunate that regular people do not see the scientists that are creating this tech as their economic adversaries.
    The tech illustrated in this article can be used VERY effectively, to further the indentured servitude of the remaining middle and lower classes.
    But, how is that possible, a regular person may ask?
    Remember when cell phones were actually fun?
    I do, the phone was a huge and needed to be carried in a bag, BUT my boss NEVER called me on it, after what was considered typical work hours and certainly never to ask me to do more work while I was at home. Compare that to today, when a cell phone in your pocket can spontaneously generate more work to be done outside of the office, simply because someone higher up than you had a random thought at midnight.
    When my parents were in school in the 1950’s and 60’s they were told: no one would have to work in the future, that everything would be done by robots and they would, in turn, have increased free time used for creating, making art, learning and helping others…
    We all know how that turned out, mass layoffs, outsourcing due to cheaper communication tech and increased workload for those that remained gainfully employed
    The Singularity, Cell regeneration, Mind-Clones Cyborg Implants and Artificial Intelligence are essentially the same lie, that was told to our parents, just rehashed for a 21st century audience.
    I think its funny when regular people get excited about future tech like the Singularity, AI, Robotics, etc. Do people really think when these things finally become real, functioning, working designs, applicable to industry, that we the “peons”, will somehow ALL get a Data from Start Trek or a C-3PO from Star Wars, to help us at home, at the job site or in the office, etc?
    In reality, we are going to get a David 8 as depicted in the Prometheus/Aliens films or the Robot Probation officer seen in the Elysium movie. These automatons are going to take away jobs and make unethical policing and policy enforcement, both easier and cheaper, for the true “Owners of Capital”. Since they won’t be paying a salary to the robot worker, the savings will instead be pumped into legal fees and political lobbying, resulting in an overall good ROI for the corporations/governments and a full blown, loss of liberty, for everyone else.
    Whom goes to jail when an AI Robot or Mind Clone pulls your arm out of the socket? Will it be considered “negligence by the human that lost the arm”, a matter for a “civil suit” only, perhaps “not a criminal act”, to be adjudicated in a arbitration setting?
    I personally at this point are willing to live with 1980’s +/- era tech, if it means, I am more free and can continue to earn money to live off.
    Elysium Probation Officer photo:
    http://fourthdimensionalrecovery.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/probation-officer1.jpg
    Introducing David 8 webpage:
    https://www.weylandindustries.com/david
    https://www.weylandindustries.com/img/david/david_003.jpg
    In the words of David 8: “I can do almost anything that could possibly be asked of me, including things that my human counterparts might find distressing or unethical”
    The “Owners of Capital” are betting on the Singularity, Cell Regeneration, Mind-clones and AI to provide their creature comforts in the future. We are approaching an era where the “Owners of Capital” will not need laborers of any kind to live a life of comfort. But, our civilization is not quite there yet, technology-wise, so the “Owners of capital” need to “keep people calm and unsuspecting” until the trigger can be pulled decisively without consequence.
    So, what are the possible scenarios that regular folks will experience, during this “interim period”, while the technology needed to create the Singularity, Cell Regeneration, Mind-clones and AI, is maturing?
    The “Owners of Capital” will simply extract the little remaining labor wages from the lower classes, by decree, through the implementation of a cashless system. Consumers will not have choices in the future because purchases will be mandatory in some way. Policies structured like Obamacare should have taught us ALL how these kinds of scenarios will play out. Obamacare is merely the test run of how to implement future legislated purchases on a large scale. “Click-Wrap Agreements” coupled with a “cashless society” will make that transition easier for the “Owners of Capital” to force on the general populace.
    What do I mean exactly?
    Many forget that we now live in what “could” be considered a fascist country, with oligopolies running it behind the scenes. What usually results, is a situation where the “owners of capital”, can and will “legislate” mandatory purchases in the future, if revenue does not match their expectations or projections (for the good of the nation of course, i.e., Too-Big-to-Fail).
    So for example, if someone chooses not to buy unneeded goods or services, they will simply pay a “penalty” at tax time or some scheme involving a “negative interest rate”. The “owners of capital” have, at this point, run out of consumer goods that they can “strongly coerce” people to buy, in order to go to work, such as, gasoline, internet connection, car insurance, bus/subway fare, cell phones, suits/uniforms, soap, deodorant, razors, etc. We are approaching a day when they will simply make it law that you have to buy goods, in certain quantities before tax season (just like the current Obamacare that can be coupled Flexible Spending Accounts), except one day we will have an FSA to be used for ALL goods and services, and you can bet those accounts will be “use-it or lose-it”. Also, since you won’t be able to own things like the new “digital cars”, that are currently being developed, nor will you own the current “digital media” being rented on Hulu, Netflix, etc., means that likely, in the future, you could be billed for “damage to the vehicle or product” from the “real owners” of that vehicle or product at any time.
    Regular People will not be allowed to be frugal in the future because the “owners of capital” can choose, AT ANY TIME to, take close to the same amount of lost revenue back, when a person tries to save money by reducing purchases, in the form of “tax penalties” or other method (cashless, digital currency, negative interest rate, instant credit to cover shortfalls and deductions from bank accounts, ALL DONE whenever the “owners of capital” see fit). A cashless society, dominated by “click-wrap agreements” is the easiest way to structure “forced purchases” into the larger economy. Another scenario that regular people will face in the future, is when someone chooses “not to buy” and then doesn’t have the proper “proof of purchase” coupon, etc, to prove they bought these items, in the required quantities, when tax fillings come due. I can guarantee that the IRS or some other agency will have some way to calculate the amount “you should have purchased” (sounds a little like a college FASFA aid forms in reverse doesn’t it?). People will also have to pay a monthly fee to keep their digital money in the bank and there won’t be any alternative way to store it, without paying the monthly fee. This process will result in an instant, predictable, revenue generator for public companies, that the stock market will then feed off.
    Note, bartering used as a circumvention method has been suggested before, but the IRS already has a plan and system in place to deal with it somewhat. They will tax bartering, by an estimate, the same way they do for restaurant servers receiving tips. There will likely be HUGE penalties for barter and I will bet EVERYONE will automatically be assumed to have “bartered” some amount over the year at tax time (perhaps an estimated $500 in barter per year, that is taxed whether the person in question did any actual bartering or not). The most likely outcome though, is that one day, bartering will simply be deemed an illegal activity, I don’t recall it being a named constitutional right anywhere.
    Look at solar roof panels, as another example, many local governments are taxing people for installing them because they reduce dependence on local utilities, which in turn, drives down privatized revenue being collected by the contract companies hired running the utilities.
    Young people don’t understand that this tech, that they are addicted to, can be used VERY effectively, to further their indentured servitude. Millennial’s and the generation after them, falsely believe tech will save and unite them, when in reality it was designed by “corporate committee” to do just the opposite. The only way to prevent that shift, is for Millennial’s to immediately STOP buying such tech, opposing the development of said tech and discouraging others from buying and using it, even if it means using physical force. But, they will NEVER do this because they have drank the cool-aid and are to a certain extent addicted to technology. Think about it, I’m seeing commercials for ordering pizza on a smartphone app, but whats the point, really? To appease Millennial’s? Perhaps. But, did this consuming cohort of fools take the time to think about whether it is really more convenient to type an order in on an app, as opposed to calling the order in on a phone? No they didn’t AND by using the smartphone app to place a FOOD ORDER instead of a phone, the pizza seller can then become a data broker making money selling customer info, instead of making money by providing a quality food product.
    Then there is the issue of behavioral “data simulations” being conducted on citizens by corporations and government for revenue projections. I can guarantee that some people will not be able to be “simulated”, due to high levels of inaccuracy in the data that exists on file is collected on them. Some simple examples would be homeless people, old people that don’t use credit or the internet, and low wage earners functioning soley on cash, whom use cell phones or have utility bill etc on a relatives account, which their name is not on (I have a brother-in that does all of the above and couch surfs, there’s no way a simulation would know anything about him because he has virtually no digital footprint).
    Th rub is when these “behavioral simulations” becomes a real part of business revenue projections, directly influencing tax revenue projections and collection methods. These people that “cannot be simulated” will be labeled criminals and put on some kind of supervised probation and forced to adapt habits that can be tracked digitally. I can GUARANTEE this will happen. As I stated above, Millennial’s are likely the easiest to simulate already because they have already given away the keys to the castle and have no intention of taking those keys back.
    Right now most Americans are expected to and are coerced by employment requirements to buy/finance a car, buy/finance education, buy/finance healthcare, buy/finance insurance and eventually buy/finance a home of some kind.
    What do you think the “Owners of Capital” will do when “life-extension”, “self-driving car”, “robot AI home worker”, “AI networked appliances” or “cyborg implant” tech become viable commercial products?
    They will simply coerce people to buy it, even if the recipient doesn’t want to have the procedure done and the methods used to coerce the general populace in the United States, will not require any additional lobbying or law changes on the behalf of the “Owners of Capital”.
    Imagine a world where life-extension tech is sold and financed to regular people, over long repayment periods, to people that don’t have the ability to pay for it, in cash, up front, similar to a cars, higher education or home mortgages.
    Want to opt-out? Sure you have the “choice” to do anything you want. We are a “free country” after all.
    Imagine the unfolding of the following fictional scenarios, resulting from a person “choosing” to NOT have the life-extension procedure:
    Do you want health insurance? Sorry, but we don’t insure people whom have not had the life-extension procedure. However, there is another provider that we can refer you to that will, but that company has both a high deductible and high premium, so as to reduce the coverage risk of your shorter life span, to the provider.
    Want to get a job? Sorry, but we don’t hire people whom have not had the life-extension procedure, they cost more to insure and are un-insurable in some cases. We don’t consider this discrimination, however, because its no different than requiring you to have a car or a driver license for employment with our firm. Especially with the Supreme Court declaring that those refusing the life-extension procedure are not considered disabled, nor are a protected class.
    Do you need a credit card or a business loan? Sorry, but we have to charge you a higher interest rate because our actuaries have found that people whom have not had the life-extension procedure are a higher risk, have higher unemployment rates and have lower profit margins, due to a shorter life expectancy.
    Do you need a bank account or cell/internet/communication service plan? Sorry, but we don’t open accounts to people whom have not had the life-extension procedure, they cost significantly more to service, due to not being plugged directly into the system.
    Again, as I said above, this mandatory purchase strategy will not be limited to ” life-extension tech”. Just replace the word “life-extension procedure”, in my above example, with the word “self-driving car”, “robot AI home worker”, “AI networked appliances”, “Cell Regeneration” or “cyborg implant” and the result is the same for the regular person.
    Last, “Private Cities” owned by corporations, will be exempt for labor and civil laws. The rally to create these cities will be done to lower human labor costs before the Singularity, Mind-clone and AI tech fully take over, rendering regular people back to old indenture servant system that used to exist in the USA.
    Want to get a job in a “Private City”? Sorry, but we don’t hire people whom have not financed the life-extension procedure and/or do not have an AI car or home worker”.
    In a “Private City” the “Owners of Capital” can make ANY RULES THEY WANT, without “due process” or pesky “labor laws” getting in the way.
    All of the above also does not include fact that employers will require people working for them to hold bank accounts with negative interest rates and it won’t matter if the person is paid by on 1099 or has a W-2.
    Do you want to get paid in a cashless society? If so, you will need to have an open and active “negative interest” bank account.
    Perhaps there will be successful bank runs in other countries, but certainly not in the USA.
    In the USA the government has the power to simply make certain actions illegal on a whim because unlike Europe, we have no real consumer, civil or labor protections. This also doesn’t account for the private banks just outright refusing to give you your money, on bank run day, requiring you to attempt to press charges against them or suing, in hopes of successfully gaining access to your funds in the far future.
    If, bank runs become a possible reality, the private banks will know well in advance and will have taken all the physical cash out of the local bank locations, before the public becomes aware. The government will also make carrying cash over a certain amount illegal, say something like, no more than $100 physical cash on your person, inside residences, private storage, vehicles or business locations.
    In the USA I suspect that the “Owners of Capital” will “legislate purchases”, little by little, then do a surprise unload of the negative interest polices on existing accounts. Regular people won’t see it coming and will hit them like a ton of bricks, with no alternatives to fall back on.
    All sounds swell, don’t it!
    First, AI is going to make regular people jobless
    Second, it is going to steal what few liberties and freedoms they have left
    Third, it will make human life valueless to the true “Owners of Capital”, many of whom are Closeted Fascists

    1. People like you and me will form a group of isolated reactionaries, but I’m pretty sure the average person is going to be perfectly fine with the Brave New World.

       1. What’s quite interesting and peculiar is this: both Orwell and Huxley were well-placed insiders who basically told us exactly what was about to come, and has come about: a fusion of the Orwellian state in balance with that of the Brave New World. However …
          However, neither of them allude much to AI and transhumanism; unless I’m forgetting the plot of a Brave New World, there’s no talk of AI/transhumanism in there. The fusion of man and machine to become God-like is a long sought-after enterprise in gnosticism and Freemasonry, with people like John Dee and Francis Bacon being the initial fierce proponents. I hope I’m long dead when that day is fully realized.

          1. Brave New World doesn’t describe trans-humanism in that particular way, but it does essentially describe a world where people are utterly dependent on technology.
             In Brave New World people are grown in factories, dispatched according to pre-determined social classes, and are basically drugged and entertained into submission. It’s not quite as abstract or far-fetched as trans-humanist ideas, but isn’t a far stretch either.
             Either way… I’m interested to see how AI and automation will affect society. How are men en masse going to handle being made virtually obsolete? I get the impression that the survivors of that scenario are going to be clownish entertainers of women… Essentially a Frankenstein’s version of what we’re already seeing today. We’ll breed out freedom loving hard working men, and replace them with androgynous children.
             In this regard I think H.G. Wells’ The Time Machine is the correct analogy.

          2. True indeed. Very true. The more low brow version is the society in the Hunger Games.
             Here, as an FYI: http://jaysanalysis.com/2015/12/22/h-g-wells-time-machine-and-scientism-propaganda/

          3. Neat link.
             The only thing I don’t entirely agree with is that I’m not convinced that human industrial activity has no effect on the environment.

          4. Jay Dyer is a first-rate mind. I find (some of) his writings somewhat convoluted and difficult to follow at first, but then one gets a hang of it. He has recently completed is PhD in philosophy, and sometimes he writes as if he’s writing for fellow colleagues, and not a general audience, which could be taxing if one is not trained at a graduate level in the humanities.
             Here’s another insightful one on Wells:
             http://jaysanalysis.com/2016/01/11/raping-nature-wells-island-of-dr-moreau-and-ritual-bio-engineering/

          5. The Eloi for example.

          6. You know, I rarely if ever, hear Thomas more’s argument in “Utopia” brought up. It is a shame really, because he for saw this type of social interaction 500 years ago. Although, he liked it, but he could not see that his writing would loose him his head.

          7. I’ll have to read that one.
             Thanks for the rec.

       2. I will not be fine. And there will be a resistance

    2. Fascinating Post – presumably not just written for this article though.
       Today’s news emanating from Davos is 5 millions jobs to go by 2020 on account of robots and AI
       http://asianjournal.com/news/report-humans-to-lose-5-million-jobs-to-robots-by-2020/

    3. If you have not already done so, HowStuffWorks has an excellent series on the AI future. Marshall Brain has a remarkable ability to get down to the underlying trends.

    4. How is this post not the most liked article ever on ROK?
       Completely spot on. The two largest companies on this planet don’t actually sell ANYTHING! When was the last time anyone on this site or any site wrote a check to Facebook or Google?? They make money off of your data! And as far as Apple is concerned, they make money by selling you a convenient device that lets you access that data. With that said.. I have an EE degree and got 12 years of corporate slavery in the automation sector. And sadly, this response is the truth. We can either keep making fun of fat feminists, talk about picking up girls, political rants or… Understand the reality shaped ahead of us and do something about it. At this point, the ROK readers need to accept the reality ahead of us.. Then a plan must take place. Roosh, quit diverting us with noise (fat feminists, go girls, anti-Semites, political hypocrisy). This site needs to evolve.. Just like Roosh has went from a player to possible husband.

    5. Industrial era arguments

       1. @Abba Okoro
          Obviously, because the USA still has a tax system based on an Industrial Era structure that no longer exist, wages are still earned under Industrial Era precepts and population replacement levels that haven’t adjusted downward to fit the coming Post-Industrial reality, centered around technology such as: The Singularity, Cell Regeneration, Mind-clones and AI.
          So, until these specific, above noted issues, change for the “average US worker”, my argument still stands. The economic system in the USA is set up as a “Rent Seeking” platform for those that control the majority of its wealth, PERIOD. To believe any differently, is nothing more than mental gymnastics, used to justify why we are strongly coerced to live the way we do.
          The “Owners of Capital” want wage slaves DEAD before turning 60. Best case scenario for them, is for someone to work 60+ hour work weeks from ages 16-60, put all of their money into a 401K, cars & home mortgage, neglecting to go to the doctor for decades and then suddenly drop dead of a heart attack; all before they can drain their 401K’s and start using earned social security & medicare benefits.
          Due to the way our current economic system works, we CLEARLY have too many people being born and not enough desire on the behalf of the “owners of capital” to employ them for the sake of having a stable and safe civilization. In the United States, for example, its clear that the “owners of capital” have chosen NOT to employ people on a large scale, preferring “tent cities” and “jailing the homeless”, INSTEAD of providing more “make-work employment” arrangements.
          Up to the 1940 a person could get just about any job with an 8th grade education, but today you need a BA or Masters for entry level. Why?
          Because the government & big business figured out a long time ago that populations would certainly increase over time, but due to technology advancements, the availability of jobs would not expand to meet that population growth. There is a DEFINITE reason they don’t want people dropping out of high school and then at the same time, encourage those same high school graduates to attend junior college, then a 4 year university and finally a Masters degree or PhD. Government strong-arms this concept because it DECREASES the amount of people looking for full-time employment at the SAME TIME, chasing after jobs in a market that CANNOT provide employment for everyone whom is looking, able to perform, qualified for and willing to work.
          Look at it this way, when people could get a job with an 8th grade education, they went out and did it as soon as possible (opportunity cost). Then jobs got scarcer and the minimum requirement became a high school diploma, adding 4 more years of people NOT Looking for jobs within their cohort. Then jobs got even scarcer and the minimum became a 2 or 4 year college degree, adding an additional 2-4 years of people NOT looking for jobs within their cohort. Now jobs are really scarce and may require a Masters or PHD, adding an additional 2-7 years of people NOT looking for jobs within their cohort. Basically due to the way the economy has been structured TODAY, we are looking at young people within their cohort whom are NOT looking for full-time, career type, employment for 4-15 YEARS, beyond K-12, all while they finish more school!
          This has been done ON PURPOSE, to keep the number people seeking employment lower. In 1920 after 8th grade everyone who was able, went out to look for work and typically found it. That’s simply NOT possible today under any circumstances. Easily accessed welfare will soon add another 1-3 years of people within a cohort, to those “not seeking employment”. Note this will NOT be to the specific detriment of society, but as a means to continue to mask the illusion that jobs and upward mobility are still available. So, if someone gets a graduate degree and collects 1-3 years of welfare on top of than, that’s ONE less person competing for scarce jobs. The extra years of welfare are then acting in the same way to the larger economy, as the previously increased minimum education levels for employment. The real goal is decreasing the number of able-bodied applicants out on the job market at the same time, but also not decreasing the supply of “potential workers” who’s mere existence drive wages down for EVERYBODY. Keep in mind this cohort of people “not pursuing full-time employment” also includes those in Prison, Government pensioners/SSI and the disabled on government assistance. The reality is if everyone needed to go out and “get a job” or “start their own business” TODAY, as many “capitalists” and “entrepreneurs” suggest these days, we would ALL be making 0.25 cents a day. THIS RACE TO THE BOTTOM EFFECTS THE SELF EMPLOYED WAGES AS WELL.
          The “owners of capital” have already decided, FOR US REGULAR PEOPLE, that there are going to be LESS jobs available in the NEAR future, due to increased automation and modern corporate labor, cost-cutting, strategies. These measures eventually will affect and include ALL contract work, ALL self-employment opportunities and ALL small businesses, NOT JUST payroll laborers. Its easier to “pay less” or “nothing at all” to contracted or indentured “labor” when there is another willing laborer/slave, waiting in the wings, to do the work for less or nothing at all. In the past when there wasn’t enough money to go around to pay both wages & PROFITS, the “owners of capital” simply brought in more indentured servant immigrants (Irish, Italians, Chinese, etc) or flat out used slave labor (Blacks, Native Americans, domestic prisoners, POW’s, etc). The only difference between now and then is the “owners of capital” can’t LEGALLY have slaves or indentured servants. The mechanisms today that replaces slaves and indentured servants are the following: longer than needed formal education for basic employment, off-shoring of labor, forced retirement, prisoners and welfare
          The largest “recorded” wage increase to happen in history, for non-land owing, wage-laborers, post the introduction of fiat currency, was after the black death pandemic, in the 14th century, especially in post-pandemic England
          But, how was that possible?
          Because “the owners of capital”, post the black-death-pandemic, still needed wage-laborers, but there was a HUGE shortage of able bodied people. So, in order for ANY work to get done, they had to pay the peasants and other undesirables, more money, SIGNIFICANTLY MORE. This principle is still at work today, when you take the time to recognize that sizable portions of the population are actively discouraged from participating in the full-time labor market. This is easily done, by throwing people in prison, forcing them to attend formal school longer and allowing more people to claim themselves as disabled or collect long/short term welfare
          After the Black Death ran its course, in the 14th century, a Peasants Revolt was triggered by the “Statute of Labourers 1351”. By 1381, the sustained wage growth for non-land owing, wage-laborers was rising so quickly that the English parliament, a few decades post the Black-Death, under King Edward III, introduced the “Statute of Labourers 1351”. This statute was used by the “Owners of Capital”, as an artificial means to drive down the wages of non-land owning peasants. Despite market conditions signalling the need for increased wages
          http://avalon.law.yale.edu/medieval/statlab.asp The Statute of Laborers; 1351 (“Statutes of the Realm,” vol. i. p. 307.)
          Think about that for a minute, the MARKET signaled that wages should have been higher, due to actual labor shortages caused by the Black Death, but the “owners of capital” still didn’t want to pay it, so they wrote a law saying why they didn’t have to conform to demands of the market. That’s where we are today, a form of Neo-feudalism, driven by Fascist ideology and practices. Remember the USA a former “slave owning nation”, that fought “tooth & nail” to maintain the legal right to own slaves; even turning indentured servants, whom by contract, were set to be released in 7 years, into indefinite slaves through legal loopholes.

          1. You’re right on the first part but wrong on the rest we have out dated laws and institutions

          2. The economic system in the USA is set up as a “Rent Seeking” platform for those that control the majority of its wealth, PERIOD.
             What exactly, about this statement, did you not understand?
             This is the structure which currently exists in the USA and those with the most wealth, benefit from this structure and its continued existence.
             With that in mind, it means that this “outdated structure” which you keep eluding to, will continue to exist, until something changes within the ranks of those currently holding the most wealth, whom benefit from this “outdated structure”.
             So, are you suggesting a “French Revolution”, of sorts, to depose, both, these people and their end goals? If not, there will be NO changes occurring to this “outdated structure”, which you keep pretending does not currently exist.
             Who exactly is going to make all that happen, in your make-believe world?

    6. If you’re answering calls from your boss after business hours, the problem isn’t with your cell phone

       1. Did I imply specifically, in my post, that I, personally, “answer the phone after work hours when my boss calls” OR simply that, “the boss attempts to call me after hours”?
          I don’t recall giving any indication, in my post, as to how I handle such a situation. I merely pointed out a typical expectation that ALL employers have today.
          Please start working on your reading comprehension.

       2. I would agree. It can wait till tomorrow.

    7. This should have been article on ROK. :LOL:

11. I’m suddenly reminded of Fahrenheit 451 for some strange reason.
    Oh that’s right, because that book literally has robot dogs used to subdue and execute criminals.

12. Now i have a good reason to drop $9000 on a barrett 50 cal….

    1. I assume the Steyr 50 cal and Barret have the same range?
       the barrett is huge and heavy, I didn’t know if there was a justification for the additional size

       1. Yes they a both have the same range and they are both rather heavy. The steyr hs50 is around $5K…its a bolt actiom rifle.
          The barret m82 and the newer m107 are in the $9k range. The barrett is semi auto though which will help greatly when metal gear decides to run wild.

    2. I prefer a lightsaber…

13. I am in the Computer Science industry. Robotics by itself is fun and enticing. Its the AI behind it that draws comparisons to insanity. An application is as smart as the programmer(s) allow it to be. To add to the article what i fear is any application smart enough to do these applications whether it has a robot exoskeleton or not. How about an AI malware? Or a computer virus that mutates?

    1. i know a bit about machine learning and while i do not doubt the abilities of google and the companies they acquire, their systems will not be perfect in a battle field scenario. they will be good but they will have flaws.

       1. In that sense we should fear Big Data more than Skynet/Google and their robots.

          1. yes the data is important but i still feel like it will be possible to ‘spoof’ these machines by faking them out and feeding in false data. but..these new deep neural networks are very, very good and like the Wired article mentions..they learn very fast, relatively speaking.

14. Human’s will always adapt to new tools of war. Portable EMP weapons and such to
    beat these robots.

15. I have actually seen “Spot” by Boston Dynamics in real life (I was at the Darpa Robotics Challenge last year; I love robots (hardware and software)). I’ve been following this stuff for years. What scares me most is DeepMind, and its affiliation with the Bilderbergs; both Facebook and Google were practically falling over themselves to acquire this company, and Hassabis had a significant presence at the last Bilerberg group meeting in Austria.

    1. Cool thanks for the info.
       http://www.wired.co.uk/magazine/archive/2015/07/features/deepmind/viewall

16. It is not these big robots that scare me so much. Micro and nano scale robots will be the future. Imagine inorganic pestilence and armies of insect sized soldiers. That is why they let these big machines enter the public domain.

17. All of this is moot gentleman. The problem is not in the technology, but human nature. Man invents stuff to kill other men. The wheel? Chariots. War. Airplanes. WW1 defined that technology. Ya like cheap and easy travel between LA and New York? Thank militarization. How about microwavabe meals. Yep, you guessed it. Military funding. I’m not saying that AI is not a monstrosity. But you’re barking up the wrong tree. Like the battle to take away our guns. It’s not the guns. It’s people. We will always find the next best way to turn our brothers into grease smears. Fear technology all you want. It’s not going away. So be proactive and figure out how you will live in a society where robotic beasts hunt you for the way you vote. Because it’s coming. No. Matter. What. You. Do. Eyes forward gentleman.

    1. I agree with you. Your comment sounds like this clip from Watchmen
       

    2. Your “vote” has always been the illusion of having choices

18. And my fellow computer nerds say they’d love to work for Google…

19. Just beam me into a self sustaining cybernetic fantasy brain and launch me through the stars. Who needs earth when you can be the immortal king of an eternal kingdom

20. They are going to unleash that shit on free humanity and then hide in their elite bunkers. But I think they can be beaten. If the DARPA ROBOT DOG is patrolling your suburbs, it could probably be damaged beyond repair by a patriot with one of those WW2 bolt actions like a Mosin Nagant. Or even a JAp Arisaka 999-shiki that shoots 7.7 x 58 ammo.
    My Arisaka even has anti-aircraft sights. Highly accurate, critical in patriot vs drone warfare.
    The Mosin is about 180 dollars now at a gun show. Arisaka can be has for 300 to 400 bucks. Whether or not these weapons are sufficient or not, this article is great intel.
    There is no time like now to start sizing up your enemy.

    1. Or you can always pay a teen hacker with cash, beer, and someone else’s hot cousin to disable these demonic machines.

    2. 8mm Mauser should do the job, but only with practice.

21. Use for the elderly….like Will Smith’s grandma in I Robot. Look how that turned out.

    1. overload to jiggy wit it

    2. Not enough robots got academy award nominations this year.

22. I wonder if something as simple as a taser can overload their systems or burnout their motherboards?
    If I were a rich venture capitalist I would be developing counter technologies to these robotic systems. Nature abhors a vacuum.

    1. I think that a strong magnetic field could also damage the main processor. Although, they could design them with some “skin” made of electromagnetic insulators such as crystals or ceramics.

       1. Faraday cage and lead induced ceramics

    2. Or start investing in phased plasma pulse rifles in the 40 watt range.

       1. No fate but what we make.

23. these will be used for the de-population agenda

24. If you think this is impressive, just wait until they invent the wheel.

    1. “Well, you tell us what color it should be!”

25. Few people grasp the central role white male nerd autists have played in the destruction of Western civilization.
    I do product design work and come from a family of engineers and have spent most of my career working with them.
    They are incapable of things like connecting the moral dots of what they are doing and who they are serving.
    The importance of well-roundedness is completely lost in our culture.
    These are robots designed by robots.
    They will be used to kill dissenters – critical thinkers – in the near future.
    Not that the current crop of cops and military wouldn’t, but it will be a new level of totalitarian control completely immune to morality and reason.
    Thanks you fucking nerd voids.

    1. Non-robots should be able to blindside the robots then.

       1. Its a race against time at this point…assuming its not too late already

          1. Are humans more adaptable or robots created by humans more adaptable?

    2. Ephialtes is to 300 Spartans what the white male nerd autists are to the future of human race. Sadly, there are many more of “contemporary Elphiates” around.

    3. Beta social failures with the insight of pre pubescent school boys building their alpha soulless robots for a reality they’re clueless about.

26. I think those robots could replace astronauts, they don’t need food, they don’t get bored in space, they live thousands of years, in a few years they will travel between planets, but I don’t know how can they send us informations outside the solar system, it looks too far from here

27. A problem I often have with doomsday predictions about technology is that there is really no set “level” of technology that is proposed as appropriate for humanity. Even in the Unabomber’s manifesto, he espouses neo-luddite beliefs without really indicating a level of technology we should revert to. Previous “game changers”, such as the firearm, steam engine and transistor failed to bring about an apocalypse (although it can be argued that we are living in that apocalypse today, I would disagree with that assertion to a certain extent).
    The assertion is wrong that there is nothing better for tyranny than a remorseless enforcer. The best thing for tyranny is a population that needs no enforcer: it willingly submits without the need of enforcers. That is the truly scary scenario.
    The nightmare of AI is not in a battle-robot that can kill a thousand Navy SEALs. We already have that capability in the M1A1 Abrams tank or a basic nuclear fission device.
    The nightmare is when we rely on AI to make moral decisions regarding who to kill and who not to kill. This is the biggest risk of self-driving cars: in a situation of saving the life of the driver or plowing into a crowd of children to avoid hitting a truck, what should the AI do? With a human driver, the decision is in human hands and the choice is left to the individual. With a self-driving car, it is in the hands of software developers.
    When AI and robotic technology ceases to be a facilitator of decision making (such as GPS finding the optimal route) and becomes the decision maker, humanity should tread very lightly.

    1. Ted’s manifesto stated he wanted to revert back to before the industrial revolution.

       1. At what point before the Industrial Revolution? Was the technological advancement of the Greeks the appropriate time? Or the Renaissance or “Middle Ages?”

          1. Amish life.

          2. Understandable, as the Amish follow Patriarchy and are generally hard working people who follow Christianity.
             The only question I have for any neo-Luddite (and I use the term in a non-pejorative way) is this: if the life of your child (or your own life) could only be saved using modern medical technology, which could not have been developed without current technical advancement, would you eschew that technology and allow nature to take its course?
             Before the advent of modern medicine, getting an axe cut while working in a field could be deadly, as infection could be set in.
             Of all the quasi-Luddite cultures, I think the Amish is the best: they don’t completely eschew modern technology. They only eschew technology which gets between them and God. It is not widely known to pop culture, but the Amish do use power tools and other modern technologies such as telephones. They just don’t consume mass media or drug themselves up on whatever is popular right now.

          3. It depends on if the kid was white or not.

28. The biggest threat is the stupidity of most people. And how dependent they are.
    We haven’t evolved socially, but the opposite, look around, how “strong” people are. Technology, laws, economy and politics will cause an inevitable precipitation.
    Are we all worthy humans or equally evolved ? You will find that the biggest achievements were made by a minuscule, almost invisible fraction of talented men. They created humanity, the wisdom, the superior condition we benefit from. But most people inherit what others created without having earned it, they dress, talk about fairness and equality, act like humans but think like undeveloped beings.
    Those whom define the best of humanity do not rule; the primitive ones do.

29. I can’t believe people actually believe more technology is a good thing, and especially artificial military robots that will force you into submiss- I mean help clean your house.
    Medical advances is the only technology that I could possibly find useful to continue, aside from that we have everything we could ever have dreamed of having.
    More technology means more health problems (a sedentary lifestyle), decreasing levels of social interactions and increasing detachment from reality and life.

30. C’mon, you guys had to know Google was the real-life Cyberdyne Systems. An aside: there is a robotics firm in Japan, actually called Cyberdyne.

31. If you shoot a man anywhere he is hurt. He may continue to fight but he is hurt. Where are you going to shoot these things? They don’t bleed out, it may take several shots before you hit anything significant. I am talking about the prototypes at this point. What will it take to render these things innefective. On top of that it doesent eat or sleep or get tired. ” It can’t be bargained with, or reasoned with, I doesent feel pity, or remorse, or fear, and it absolutely will not stop! Ever! Until you are dead!”

32. Reminds of the ‘mechanical hounds’ in Farenheit 451. Scary! And yes, they do have peaceful uses, but I’m sure they are looking to use them to subdue any non compliant subjects in the future. And with your stolen tax money as well.

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