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Women Now Want Upfront Payment To Talk To Them On Tinder

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In spring 2017, a new shameless method of micro wealth-extraction has surfaced on swipe-based dating apps such as Tinder.

Screenshots of various female Tinder profiles along with their account information from Venmo, a payment app, have recently spread through the internet like wildfire. I’ve seen a lot gold-digging in my day, but I have to say even I was a little shocked at just how brazen and transparent many women have become with turning men into docile doormats and personal ATMs. It used to be something they knew was bad and would try to hide it, or if you were lucky they just didn’t do it at all.

Welcome to the 21st century

Some of the Tinder e-begging you’ll encounter will be from automated scambots.

But you know it’s for real if she posts her actual social media accounts and financial accounts directly in her bio:

Preying on the well-intentioned but grossly naive generosity of weak men with no better options, these girls make a hobby of shaking down simps for small amounts of cash. It may not seem like a lot of money on the surface, but what happens when you’re a cute girl in the digital marketplace surrounded by an endless swarm of sniveling beta males who will eagerly shell out the bucks for a virtual e-hug?

Those micro-deposits add up when you’re selling bottled water in a thirsty desert. The end result is that the girls laugh their way to the bank after taking advantage of the misguided nice guy.

The concerning factor here is not that a few random or troubled girls are doing things like this; it’s the growing trend that we all are witnessing, encouraged in pop culture and female role models. And worst of all, it’s being tolerated by men. You get what you put up with.

The sheer quantity of “normal” girls in America who are opting into casual prostitution with sugar daddies just because they can is astonishing. They either hide these types of things from the men they are interested in dating, or the men tolerate it, turn a blind eye and get what they put up with.

When you hear about some random theoretical girl prostituting herself it’s not really a big deal. But what if I told you that a growing majority of your generation’s dating pool is cashing in without you even realizing it? The women you know? The women you chase after? Your sisters and cousins? Your girlfriends and wives? 

I wish I was joking but this is the new norm

It’s just not on the mainstream radar yet. Pay to play is law of the land in the modern American dating scene. Yes, you can search for exceptions and find them but the general trend is growing rapidly and that fact remains.

As a man who’s interested in talking to millennial women without her trying to profit from you, the best solution might be to head for the greener pastures of developing countries where the epidemic has yet to spread. Or you can remain in America where its scam or be scammed.

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597 thoughts on “Women Now Want Upfront Payment To Talk To Them On Tinder”

  1. Fuck, saw this last night with the same line “give me $5.00 and see what happens.”- which leaves me to believe that this is probably some Nigerians with a laptop and a VPN….but maybe I’m naive…… either way…sad…

    1. One thing positive about this, all the guys wasting their time and money on the computer to pick up girls where the ratio is screwed up are leveling the playing field in meatspace. Day game and networking is the key.

    2. Its like the paki scum listing houses for rent in my area trying to scam.
      Funny thing is, they always put the rent at HALF what it should be because they are too stupid to know this college town has outragous rents.
      Weak men of the East are pathetic.

  2. They say that in the old west before the families came and the guy/girl ratio was 2:1, prostitution abounded. In the digital age the same guy/girl ratio is also screwed up. Any surprise that prostitution is surfacing? AWALT

    1. The church used to organize prostitution in the West. Men would get out their sexual and violent urges on the prostitutes, then come home and be passive.

      1. not sure which church in the west you are talking about. The Mormon church had a skew the other way with more women than men, that is a big reason polygamy was practiced. More women joined the church and came out west. The gold rush towns had the skew with more men, and little religion.

  3. Weak men are causing this degradation of femininity. They wouldn’t do this if it wasn’t working, the way we stop our women from going down these paths is to spread the red pill to a greater number of men.
    Also this reminds me of a mini-documentary I watched called “Sex, Lies, and Rinsing Guys.”

    1. Absolute truth. Women wouldn’t be doing this if there weren’t lots of guys willing to pay.

      1. Men will always be willing to pay, ergo women would always do it.
        However, there actually was a time when men would smack around women who did this, or at the very least slut shame the whores so that the girls who preferred not to do this werent left out in the cold.
        The problem with white knights isnt that they defend ladies, its that they defend whores and pretend that the whores are ladies. By doing this they indermine all the men, AND all the women that do not want to be whores.

        1. The biggest problem I see is that all women are whores and every man is willing to pay for sex since in one way or another, you always pay for it. But I would never think of paying for a stupid conversation with anyone.

    2. It’s honestly embarrassing seeing the things some guys say/send/comment to girls these days. Like do you have no fucking self-respect?

      1. So sickening.
        I stupidly got on fb again and I told a girl I know some compliment on her pic…..then I looked at the “fan club” who had all posted simpering praise under my comment and it made me immediately delete any comment I had made on her page.
        Fuck fb and fuck pedastal worshippers.

  4. I’m more of the mind to pay a woman not to talk, than I am to pay her to talk.

    2. Women talk a lot. And it’s not that they enjoy talking so much, they just get really uncomfortable when there is too much silence. You just have to assure them that you will keep their mouth occupied.

      1. That’s exactly correct. And the louder they talk, the better for some reason. Get three women together and you’ll have 100db in short order as they try to talk over each other. It really annoys me and is the height of rudeness.

        2. actually “that guy” tend to be a dude, chicks dont yammer much at the gym

        3. I agree the regulars don’t yammer much, but the newbies/occasional ones sound like a flock of birds. And yes, there’s the occasional ‘bro-team’ yakking it up.

        4. the guy who has a convo with another guy FROM ACROSS THE GYM
          lololol

        7. “Hey Ghost- where you been bro? Youre putting on weight!!”
          stock tips- from across the gym
          politics- FROM ACROSS THE GYM

        8. Ive seen Fagzilla talking lewd shit to his faggot boyfriend in the gym and he was way too huge for me to beat down, so I tried to avoid them.
          Fucking disgusting faggots.
          Bonus: the faggots didnt wipe their sweat off any of the benches. Guess how I found that out…

        10. Isn’t it ironic fella ! If two pussies talk gibberish loud (without any common sense, civic sense & courtesy towards others) in the gym/casino/cafeteria/anywhere; they never get called as Lesbians or Homosexuals. But if two MEN do the same, then people (including fellow MEN) call them as faggots/gays !
          No wonder why the pussies (especially in the west) are so entitled.

      2. That is the worst when my wife and I are both talking with somebody new. She will jabber on about nothing, and I will not be be able to get a word in.

        1. Why would you want to?
          I don’t like talking to women at all.
          Worst mistake I made, was teaching my wife English, she was almost perfect before that.

        2. I remember my Dad sitting on the couch a lot and his contributions to conversations being keeping his eyes on mom, nodding his head at appropriate times, and the occasional grunt of acknowledgement. Whenever he spoke up – it was something substantive and to the point.

        3. That is how we are. Drives me nuts. Especially if it is some other woman, but then, I will just tune them out.

        4. Perhaps he just wants to hear something that’s not her – and silence isn’t available.

        7. I was sitting at the computer one evening and my wife was talking about various things and I was doing the obligatory Uh-huh, yep, head nod thing. Out of the blue she says “You have a small penis.” I never looked up and said “You’ve never complained before.” She said “I was checking to see if you’re actually listening.” Still shit-testing after nearly 30 years of marriage, lol! A week or so later my best friend and I are sitting at the table talking guns, employment, etc. with her pretty much ignoring us, when he asks me about retirement. So I said “Well, I plan on moving to Nevada as a quality control inspector at the Bunny Ranch.” That got her attention! I told her that was pay back for the small penis crack. I’ve been catching shit ever since. You’d think we’d learn.

        8. P.J., I had co-worker that ran his mouth non-stop. We were out on the job site one day and he just kept yammering on about nothing. He never noticed I had my ear buds in just jammin’ away. I didn’t hear a word he said. One of the supervisors saw it and knew exactly what I was doing. We had a good laugh over it later. Works like a charm, doesn’t it?

      3. It starts early as well. While my wife and I were watching her 9 year old niece last weekend she would not shut the fuck up if she wasn’t playing with the dog or watching our infant. Even while walking the dog, just a constant stream of verbal diarrhea.

        1. It’s a built in trait with women. Mark Twain notes it in A Connecticut Yankee In King Arthur’s Court with the girl that the main character hooks up with.

        2. Used to bother me as a young teen. “Why the fuck does everyone hate silence so much?”

        4. If my wife and daughter get to chatting in the room where I am, about silly girl things or whatever, and I’m trying to read or work, I’ve taken to the notion of telling them to take it to another room.

        5. The topics change constantly and nothing is ever gained from the conversation. It’s just one segue after the other.

        8. Right, she’s the one. I couldn’t remember her name off the top of my head yesterday. Thanks!

        10. I have issued my wife the challenge of shutting up for 30 seconds on several occasions. I have even started to offer significant sums of money. So, far she has not been able to do it. She complains when I interrupt her, but I reply if I waited for her to stop talking I would never speak, and sometimes I have things to tell her that she needs to hear immediately; like your dress is on fire.

      4. And now they talk REALLY loud to divert eyes and attention on them on purpose. Fucking obnoxious. Woe betide you if they laugh!

    4. Brings to mind Charlie Sheens reply when a judge asked him why men would use prostitutes – “I don’t pay them for sex, I pay them to leave”

    1. No problem. Betas deserve to be fleeced with this, just like SJW whites deserve to be fleeced by those two black ladies.
      In reality, they’ll scam the betas for their cash, then spend that cash paying for drinks for an alpha (or renting the apartment that she brings him home to bang him in). Just a simple transfer of wealth from the weak to the strong. I always approve of that.

      1. I won’t go as far as saying they deserve to be treated this way. But I can’t find much sympathy given they’re being willing victims.

        1. They voluntarily submit themselves to this. What man with any dignity whatsoever would pay a woman to maybe, possibly, you know, consider saying “hi” back? These guys need a hard smack to the back of the head if they have become this desperate.

        2. Kind of back to my original point- I see for even the biggest beta the no-reply after sending cash being the moment of epiphany. These girls are worse than whores…

        5. Its too late for many of them….Righteous Ass Kickings (RAKs) need to happen prior to the age of 21 on order to be effective.

        6. Unfortunately, some folks have to learn the hard way. You can’t beat sense into people.
          If you could, my kids would have treated their mother like a piñata.

        9. Saddest thing would be if they talk themselves into believing it must have been some ‘guy in Nigeria’ ‘cuz no girl would do that… in order to avoid taking the red pill.

      2. Except that they then incorporate the slut/whore habit into their mindset, something that cannot just be dropped, and will shit test to death the decent man who finally aquires one of these used up douchebags,
        On top of that, they will influence the rest of their sisters to act outrageously, precisely to lower the calue of the surrounding women so that they dont suffer by comparison. And the 1-2% of women who dont engage in this poison will become arrogant.
        No, its a bad deal all around. We are currently witnessing the limits of secular liberalism in its ability to maintain and order a reproductive society.

        1. I don’t think anyone is advocating the continuance of the system, simply noting it.

        2. Or…
          The more men get burned by this, the faster they wise up and stop supporting nonsense like this.

    2. Nah, it’s a scam. In a free market, there’s some kind of exchange. The clear understanding is that the girl will respond if he pays up, even if she puts the maybe weasel word in. I saw a different article about this where the girls were bragging that they never reply. In a free market, there’s some kind of exchange.

      1. But the exchange is there, you’re paying for a nod from her. It’s not an equal exchange, but no one is putting a gun to Carl the Cuck’s head.

  6. This can’t last long- I mean, truly, after a beta has been burned a couple of times like this he’ll stop paying.

      1. Probably, but I just can’t see someone already desperate enough to do this being anything but completely enraged and angry at himself for being this stupid once.

        1. If you’ve served in the Pacific theater, you’d know more than a few service members who chased Buy Me Drinky Girls. Had a kid go into some decent debt over one of them.

        2. Yeah, but the girl was actually there and actually did spend time with him. It was understood as a kind of prostitution even if they just stayed in the bar. Of course, most of the girls in the PI were desperate to get the benny boy to fall in love with them and bring them to the US, so a lot played both the short term drink/prostitution and the long term visa games.

        3. Prostitution, if you’re lucky. Many of those boys never got more than conversation, and yet they still came back again and again. Some seriously believed they were in love.

        4. Some only wanted conversation, and again, unlike this Tinder thing where the guy pays and the girl may not even reply, as sad as it may have been, if the guy kept buying ‘Lady Drinks’, she stuck around. (Unless Mamisan had another customer take a liking to her and shifted her away from the ‘Lady Drink’ only customer).

        5. “Hi, if you’re only working for drinks, please bother someone else”
          Then if they allow you to buy drinks for them and later refuse to go home with you, you don’t pay their bar bill. The bar manager will sort out the problem with that particular girl later, and somewhere more private. Been there, done that.

        6. Don’t know, don’t care. No woman’s saveahoe, and certainly no man’s. Besides, I’m out, no reason to return to PAC except on vacation, and I certainly wouldn’t need to look for a drinky girl.

    2. It’s how most guys find the Manosphere. After experiencing the cold hard reality that is modern women, only a few internet searches will lead him to domains like this.

        1. I found it through a google search of “art of manliness”…..found that site about a month earlier looking up table manners.

        2. Me too!
          It all started by looking for what color shoes to wear… That took me to AOM. Researching that guy lead me to a disparaging article on ROK about him. Regardless, I liked the tone here, both of the articles and comments, so I’m never leaving.

        3. I punched in “make me even more depressed than I am now” in google and hit “feeling lucky” button.

        7. 2 plus years. Its like that prison cell is left unlocked, but I cant build up the nerve to walk out

        9. Found it when a bunch of folks I knew to be crazy started talking about a “pro-rape advocate”

        10. Thats amazing- that fiasco drove more traffic here
          no such thing as bad publicity

        12. After the media frenzy over the ROK meetups last year, I’ve met quite a few guys who heard about a pro rape meetup and checked out this site for curiosity’s sake, only for them to come back and say they found a lot of great stuff and that the media was pushing a lie.

        13. Bike night a few years back. Some guy, whom I’ve never seen at a bike night since, was watching me interact with two chicks. I was doing my normal “command them and have them smile and comply” thing, and after I was done he walked over and said “Red pill? You’re a natural aren’t you?”
          I actually thought he was talking about The Matrix the first time. I asked him what he meant, and he told me about Rollo’s site. From there, well, to here in less than a couple of months.

        14. i found this website when reading comments on another site… the post mentioned something about “female-haters over at ROK”….. so that got me intrigued
          within 5 minutes of being on here i was hooked. that was over 2 years ago

        16. Its funny – more and more I am drawn to whatever the nuttery of the left is currently outraged by….

        17. I like AOM, it is more of a self-improvement site for teenagers and betas trying to be men. It serves a good purpose. Every now and then, I will get an article from there to read with my boys. It is sort of a “milk before meat” website.

        19. I remember Internet searching for natural ways to boost testosterone in mid 2014. Was suffering some burnout from the outdoors based work I was doing. Came across ROK and found myself​ in agreement with a lot of what was expressed. Reinforced a lot of my world view previously unexpressed in mainstream company.

  7. I would hope most guys don’t pay them . On SA many of the 9s and 10s ask for a gift on the first date. I’ve never done that and told them the first sugar date is all about chemistry. Most agree to meet anyways in the hope they will become your sugar baby .

    3. Haha. Your post from yesterday was literally the first thing I thought of when I read this headline!

  10. My marriage is not perfect, but boy, am I glad I’m not doing the dating scene any longer…

    2. Being married is worse since you can leave a date anytime but divorcing, alimony and child support will cost you a fortune nowadays.

      1. True. Best tactic, if you must get married, is to start a parachute fund of cash, stored in an envelope in a safe somewhere that she either doesn’t know about or can’t access, and add to it every week. If you can toss $50-$100 a week into it you’ll have a huge load of money if she decides to try and frivorce you 5-10 years down the road. The key is to NEVER let her know about it, ever, not even when drunk, not even when she gives you the best sex in the universe and you’re feeling all “Yeah, I can trust her, she’s so in love with me we’ll never break up!” Always resist that impulse.

        1. Need to know the laws in your jurisdiction and what constitutes joint/separate funds and what constitutes mingling of assets. During a divorce, you do have to fill out a list of assets and swear to it’s truthfulness.
          Not a lawyer- but I think the safer bet is to set aside a chunk of money prior to marriage, always keep it in your own name and invest it. Never mingle it with any contribution from your wife, or use it to secure any loan.

        3. I’m talking totally off the radar. The extra change you have at the end of the week that she assumed spent, etc. The legal system is not honest in any way whatsoever and is out to fuck you over. Being “honest” about that is suicidal.
          If she files, put all of your bills on credit card like all the other schlubs do, and when it’s finalized, quietly pay off the cc with money orders drawn from the cash in the envelope.
          Never, ever give her any edge.

        4. No man must get married it’s your choice. If i’m going to save €100 a week might as well i stay single and bang some hookers that way i wouldn’t be horny and make the mistake of marry some slut just so I can get some silly sex.

        5. You don’t get married just for some silly sex. Its because you want to raise a family, you’ve found someone you respect enough to do so, that holds your same values, and you believe they’ll have your back as a partner as much as you have theirs. Unfortunately I was raised by parents in a neighborhood where that was very much the reality. It’s the archetype that was set for me and I know is possible. I failed. I did get three great kids out of it, so can’t regret it at all.
          I don’t miss sex with my wife anywhere near as much as the feeling, (which turned out to be false) that I had a partner who had my back.

        6. If you can see the divorce coming, the writing on the wall, then develop a “severe gambling problem” that requires you to withdraw large amounts of cash at casino ATMs from your joint account.
          Then stash it, of course.

        7. None of them will ever have your back, and that hurts men like you and me.
          Regardless, you got your kids and they came at a hefty price. So be it. At least you weren’t divorce rapped and left with nothing.

        8. Nah, she lost far more than me, and she did it deliberately. Blew up her relationship with the kids and her parents as well as me.
          I kept the house and kids, so I can’t complain. I won’t be relying on someone who’ll fold when I could really benefit from having some backup.
          My mom had my Dad’s back, my mother-in-law has her husband’s back. All of my friends’ parents were teams. I know it is possible for women, but today’s world is telling them other options are better than lifelong commitment– feeding the tendency for hypergamy.

        9. So when you’re about to get ass-raped by the court system you’re going to get all principled and tell them everything on a form? m a, I’ve been through a shitty divorce and made damned sure I gamed the system every way I could. But in the end it still cost me a small fortune and the court consistently sided with her. Most likely, just starting out, you won’t have the money you need to do what you suggest. In addition you’ll have a serious case of oneitis and will bare your soul to her anyway (that’s why you’re considering marriage). And even if you do put something up ahead of time it will still be community property and with most investments, her lawyer(s) will find it. GOJ’s right; stash something with a trusted friend or family member so you have a reserve if the SHTF. Don’t like cash? Put up some gold and silver Eagles every pay check. You have heard about that new Divorced Barbie haven’t you? She comes with all of Ken’s shit.

        11. I couldnt care less about the law, especially when I can get away with it.
          If lawfare is being leveled at you, why would you still think the law is legitimate?

        15. “If lawfare is being leveled at you, why would you still think the law is legitimate?”
          True that!

        16. Yet another reason governments are moving towards a cashless society.
          However the cash fund is apparently quite common as I learned when a place I worked went to mandatory direct deposit.
          Of course that’s solved by having a separate account which can then be withdrawn to cash immediately with only a minimal balance in it.

        17. this may sound a little strange but, IMO every young male should be abducted by some Men In Black/Matrix Agent Smith style “actors” at around 12 – 13 years old and taken in a dark car to a dark room in a dark side of town, where every scary thing this young fellow has every seen or heard or even read about runs through his mind…
          the “agents” would let the young man sweat for a hour or two.
          then these “agents” would pass on this very very important bit of life knowledge…
          “The key is to NEVER let her know about it, ever, not even when drunk, not even when she gives you the best sex in the universe and you’re feeling all “Yeah, I can trust her, she’s so in love with me we’ll never break up!” Always resist that impulse”
          great post GOJ, and that little nugget should be immortalized here at ROK for all time.
          especially in todays world where wimps and simps are encouraged to give weak helpless women everything.

        18. Ive heard of thst happening, I wonder if its because thenwoman unconsciously hates herself for what she is doing and either is acting out to get someone to stop her, or wants to ounish herself, or becase she wants ti drive everyone away so she stops harming them

        20. Don’t know. When they make the decision, you see them as the enemy and leverage what you know about them to take care of your kids. Just as she’ll leverage what she knows about you.
          Good insight from you though- what you see as negative collateral damage are likely actually the goal.
          Got a friend went through something similar- but his ex emptied the oldest kid’s college account to pay for the divorce, he ended up with all the bills, paying alimony, had to sell the house and he’s living in an illegally converted garage apartment.
          GoJs advice would have been solid for him. 20 year marriage, he’d have had quite a bundle stashed away to cushion the blow.

        22. Regardless of legitimacy it is a reality. GoJ’s point that cash is better than an account that could be discoverable is a good strategy.

        23. I wasn’t saying that they were being forced, when a man feels that he “must get married” that’s something he’s decided on his own.
          I’m just giving practical advice, and it has nothing to do with “silly sex”, nor was that ever mentioned.

        24. I was thinking he was referring to an account- missed his statement about cash.
          I used a mediator vice adversarial lawyers. It was quicker and cheaper, she wanted things done fast and was loathe to spend money on lawyers if she could avoid it.

        25. Outstanding way to make it transparent.
          “The last year he’s been going to the casino and losing hundreds every weekend!”
          Not one thing can prove that otherwise.

        26. I like your method to start right from the beginning of marriage. Always withdrawing enough cash to set aside some. Depending on what’s at stake, the late gambling story has the issue of whether folks will check up on the casino story- witnesses, surveillance tapes, did you claim those ‘losses’ on your taxes…
          Off the books illegal gambling might be better. I don’t know…

        29. So simple yet genius due to how much the law tries to fuck you over with women.
          Of course the better tactic is to avoid marriage altogether.

      2. So, what are my options? Being alone and miserable, dating in a sea of sluts or being in a marriage that beats these 2 options. I know A LOT of guys who are paying for babies they had with some whore they were dating. I didn’t wait until 30 to marry some run of the mill bitch who would fuck up my life. And since I also didn’t marry some broke gold digger. which is another big mistake. I even didn’t care for a pre-nup. Marriage material women is a rare item, but they exist.

        1. Since when does alone = misery??? How much do you actually enjoy female company anyway?? Some alternatives:
          Get a dog.
          Go out with male friends.
          Join a car club.
          Go to the shooting range.
          Volunteer fixing things in your neighborhood.
          Go on a singles cruise.
          Develop more hobbies.
          Watch a great series on Netflix.
          Fuck young whores in Mexico, SA, Asia etc.

        2. The idea of being alone and miserable only applies to women. We have more sensitive dopamine receptors. That means we enjoy building, working, winning, conquering, talking about politics and war and other activities in a way women never will. Women will always enjoy puppies and babies, and community with other cackling hens. The modern american woman is fucked because she gets none of that in the end.
          In contrast, the divorced or single man still gets to do everything his brain longs for. The only missing piece is if you want a kid.
          Think long and hard about how your kid will turn out in this fucked up culture. If its a girl, she will never be normal and never respect you. You’ll feel abandoned by her like my dad does about his feminist, manhating daughters.
          Every married man I know is miserable, sexless, and feels cheated. If you feel lonely, start by building strong male relationships and mentors. Once you get that taken care of, you’ll understand women only ever belonged in one category for us: sex.

        4. None of those things involve teaching your son how to throw a ball, or reading a story to your little girl.

        5. “If its a girl, she will never be normal and never respect you.”
          No. If you maintain frame, she will. I’m a single dad, ended up with my kids in the divorce. They do respect the effort you make for them. Kids judge people by their actions- you show them through your actions they are a priority, they will try to live up to your expectations in return.

        6. My daughters occasionally push me to get into a steady relationship with someone. I ask them if I seem happy, they say yeah, real happy.
          Ever think that’s because I don’t have a woman in my life, not despite it?
          As girls/women, they aren’t really comfortable with the implications of that.

        7. No dude, being miserable alone is a thing of the human nature. Hobbies won’t substitute the presence of a human being. I did the loner thing for a while, didn’t work for me. I see myself way happier having the right person by my side than when I was alone. Not saying marriage is for everyone and that you should marry the first hag you find, but again, to each his own. I have a 9 yo daughter, she’s the life and light of my existence, can’t imagine life without her. And I think your line of thought is just playing in the hands of the lefties and the globalists. Your son / daughter won’t become a nasty leftie and hate you if you PREPARE them for the blast of misinformation they’ll receive from school and media. I have been explaining these things to my little girl since she was 5. Always showing her what’s left and wrong. She knows the reporter on TV and the teacher in school are potential liars with an agenda. I explained to her how they are working hard to destroy families and good moral values. When she was 7 I explained to her the horror that are abortions and how feminazis love them. She knows what’s communism, that some people will play the victim and race card and that the world is full of retards with misguided thoughts. I think I did my part, I have a family that’s united and my daughter won’t be another piece of liberal trash. The same way my wife as raised to be a decent woman, my daughter is being too. And I’m pretty sure she’ll make a decent conservative dude happy one day. Sorry you didn’t have luck in the love department as I did.

        8. I can do ALL of those things being married. And I do many of them. Except for the young whore thing. Did that already and it gets tired eventually, believe it or not.

        9. Hey man, I hope I’m wrong in your case. I hope they respect, love and appreciate you in return.
          But That’s what my dad thought about his daughters. In contrast, my sisters grew up to be man-hating feminists. One’s an alcoholic adulterer, the other, shaven head and full of tattoos. That’s even after being raised in an italian, christian home in Ohio. Society’s feminazi influence is powerful. Ten years after moving out of the home, they went full retard. Became atheist sluts. They blame God and my dad for “shielding them” from fun.
          Needless to say, they are both estranged from the rest of the family, and eachother. They’ll grow into old, lonely, cat ladies like my mother.
          My dad and I have been red pill from the beginning, so we’re still very close.
          Godspeed, though. My experience is drastic, but becoming more common. Every girl I meet treats her family like shit these days.

        10. Thanks, time will tell. My ex-wife walking out on the family, being content to just visit, made them appreciate my keeping a stable home. Both turned more conservative- libertarian in college– the crazy man-hating from the feminists was incomprehensible to them. Raised Christian, they left the church but lived the values so far (younger one is back!). But, they’ve observed friends living immorally and seeing what that’s doing to them, and so far decided that’s not the path they want.
          Maybe your sisters will eventually come around. My sisters used to think my mom was kind out of touch and stupid. They came around to realizing she was smart and they should have listened to her more.

  11. Looks like women finally realized that Tinder is nothing more than prostitution. They were doing it for free before, now they want to make a little extra. Hopefully, men will see this for the scam it is and ditch Tinder.

    1. Doubt it, so many guys lack the self confidence to actually talk to a woman, they would rather spend weeks behind a keyboard, even if it gets the same results as a day out on the town.

      1. Yeah, but wasting 5 dollars is not going to increase their chances of getting laid.

        1. true….but they are too blind to see that. Got to think like a beta. In their view, they have a way to get ahead of the competition by paying money where others will not. Same guys think they are entitled to sex by buying dinner. Doesn’t happen.

        2. Holy shit! Do they really think like that? I wasn’t that beta even before taking the red pill. These guys are totally delusional.

        3. Maybe it doesn’t happen in the USA ………..
          But I don’t buy anyone dinner, without expecting sex in return.

        4. That is delusional thinking. Their competition is other men who will also not get laid. How can they not see this? If they knew their real competition, the alpha types, they’d realize how utterly defeated they are from the get go.

        5. I don’t think anybody was that beta until after 2005. Even the nerdiest kid in my highschool didn’t let some bitch have her way. Then I’m in college and seeing losers worshipping women and wishing to be their bath water.
          Sometimes I really think I woke up in a different planet during the mid-2000s.

        6. I think it’s more along the lines of them rationalizing- if I buy her stuff and am nice to her so she’ll be so appreciative she’ll want me!

        7. It is reinforced throughout society, the princess movies, what women say, the sloppy romance flicks all have the whipped beta who gives their life for some girl as being the romantic. Hell, I believed it in high school. I thought surprising a girl with candy and flowers was the way to go. Nope, I got labeled as a creep.

        9. You’d hope that at some point, experience would inform them otherwise. With some it does, but the majority seem married to this notion despite all real evidence in their lives to the contrary.

        13. I think the trick is to make your wife feel desired, not needed. You can give her gifts and compliment her, but have a life for yourself.

        14. He’s all trendy and edgy and likes to show how secure he is in his atheism by putting down religious people for no reason on the interwebs.

        16. Note to Readership: If you go to a meetup where PJ is present, run immediately if he offers to cover the check.

        18. I dont consider myself an old timer but Ive seen things get really fucked up in a short amount of time.

        19. Then we would have more elliot rodgers and sang ho whats his name from VT.
          Better to ease them into the red pill and avoid tossing them head first down the rabbit hole.

        20. Theyve been seperated from any examples by being told “thems raycists”
          and all the other slanders.
          Their life is incomprehensible to me.
          Born behind enemy lines to be a cube farmer or drone and those not adaptable are tossed into the just us system scam to wither in cells for terrible reasons.

        21. We don’t get a choice on this. If they’re paying they’re already long past the phase of us warning them.

      2. .. but it’s one thing sending trons back and forth. It’s another when she’s actually pulling cash from him. I can envision where one of these girls gets the crap kicked out of her somewhere down the road by a beta that snaps.

        1. Listen to how pathetic that sounds, “a beta that snaps”. Can you imagine a Muslim taking this way? They literally throw acid into the face of women who slut around.

        5. Only nutters ‘snap’, the rest of us are set in our ways.
          Best to make those ‘ways’ the best possible. One life to live, dont be a punk.

        6. Naw dude, shooting rampages are not the work of red pill revelations.
          Nutters snap because they have accepted no alternative from the rut.
          Fuck that noise.

  12. Biomechanics is king – No matter how technologically advanced we become as a society, we’re still cavepeople who will exchange resources for sex.

    1. But these guys aren’t receiving anything for their resources. It’s an ‘illusory promise’, there’s an implication she’ll respond but no guarantee.

  14. Here is a little tip for you guys, from someone with a little bit of hooker experience.
    You can agree the price upfront but …….. Fuck first, pay later.
    It sorts out so many potential problems, the main one being, men can be trusted, women can’t.

      2. $1 worth of antibiotics from the supermarket cure it in 5 days. Hardly a worry.

    1. Yep. It enhances all of the strengths that women have (looks and being cutesy) and neuters almost all of the strengths a man brings to the table (confidence, physical presence, voice and personality). What sane man would enter into that world?

        1. Sure. But just logically it makes no sense, regardless of one’s level of self esteem. It’s like being depressed that you can’t make pasta, so you go and throw away all of your eggs and flour thinking that this will help.

        3. The problem is that betas do not understand female sexuality. They cannot imagine sharing a woman, so they assume that no woman woild share a man,
          When in reality, women actually prefer men who are wanted by many women, precisely because its a biological trigger.
          So they figure plain jane will go for plain bob, when in reality plain jane woild saw off her leg to be rawdogged up the ass by alpha mcBadboy in the back alley.

      1. that, and it eliminates competition for day game. They are home spanking it on the computer while you are out and about.

  17. I won’t even buy a girl a drink, let alone give one cash. Ok, I bought one drink for one girl in over a year; pretty much zero.
    And I still slay.

  18. Does this make them prostitutes?
    And, if they don’t put out, does this constitute Theft of Services?
    Hmm…

    1. It makes them worse than prostitutes. A prostitute provides a service for a fee. These chicks are scamming guys for cash and the vague hope of something that will never materialize.
      These guys have to realize that no woman could ever respect (or be attracted to) a man who pays her $5 for the privilege of messenging her.

    2. And bear in mind. Except for Nevada, prostitution is supposed to illegal in the States. Of course these girls can argue that it’s only for companionship, but I suspect once the $5 entry fee turns into $500, the whole thing changes, especially if the man paying at least has the balls to tell the girl to put out or GTFO. Then it should be considered prostitution.

  19. Which is why I don’t use dating apps. The couple of times I’ve looked, online dating is full of fat hags thinking they’re the hottest woman in the world, and the women who are good looking are all feminists or whores or feminist whores. As for the men, well, most men I gather are beta cucks who pay for smileys.
    My recommendation? Stay out of this shit and stick to day game.

  20. I’ve been seeing this more recently. I think it’s important to look at the big picture and remember that as men we win the long game. When these girls’ looks fade and they don’t any skills or even a half-decent personality to offer they are (figuratively) fucked. More men are waking up to the shams of modern society and it’ll be interesting to see how these internet hot girls are doing in 5-7 years

    1. Thats why you only date the 20-35’s, no matter your own age.
      Getting ‘shamed’ by the leavin’s wont deter anyone.

  21. Is it different than buying random b!+ches drinks at a bar?
    Girl: I don’t buy my own drinks
    Me: You’re cute, I bet that works a lot on boring guys who have no idea how to please you (pat her on the head or wink, or some other patronizing gesture)
    Girl: Your a [email protected] (as I walk away)
    80% of the time, she will come back and reengage me or her friend will. I’ll act like it was all really funny and it all starts over again, with me holding the initiative.
    Be bold guys!
    Wer wagt, gewinnt

    2. I don’t buy my own drinks.
      Cool – we have something in common, I don’t buy your drinks either!

  22. Ya know, it would be incredibly funny if some nerd figured out how to use the messaging to hack their account and empty it.

    2. The nerds whomhave that level of skill and balls tend to find their way to RoK, learn pickup, and then game thise girls instead.

  23. Who cares? Just another boon for us men in these new times. Now you can control the interaction right off the bat by not paying. Those girls are sorting the wimps out and getting paid in the process. It’s easier than ever to win with girls because so many men fuck it up.

    1. That’s the thing about the ‘enjoy the decline’ mentality: yeah the ride down the slide might be fun, but eventually we all slam full-speed into the fucked up mess at the end.

      1. They are myopic on that point.
        The pool, well kids, it ain’t gonna get cleaned or treated any longer, the filters aren’t going to work and that drink your sipping will no longer be being made. Good idea, let everything fall so that you have nothing, not even the skills to start rebuilding it.

      2. A fair criticism, but I like to think I’m just an optimistic guy. The damage that has been done can never be reversed, but on the way down someone’s gotta wring those retards for everything they’re worth.

  24. Men should shun Tinder altogether.
    Tinder totally distorts the pick-up dynamics.
    Tinder gives the impression to women’s brains that they are being approached by ALL males on Tinder.
    So females swipe left or right under this impression that they are selecting from ALL males on Tinder, which does not represent reality.
    This just furthers modern females’ entitlement-complex.
    The realistic approach would be on Tinder, if women could only decide about males who already swiped them as desirable females.

    1. Saw a study recently, survey of ~9000 users, that most women were only on there to boost their egos. No intention of responding to anyone, just felt good having folks acknowledging them positively.

      1. Which is why, for all the criticism that the Trump owned Miss Universe pageant gets for “objectifying” women, plenty of hot girls still take part. In both cases, they want all the perceived benefits with none of the disadvantages.

        1. The only ones complaining about objectification are the ones unfit to be objectified.
          The correct response has always been dismissive laughter.

      2. I am not surprised.
        Also, for a young man, the thrill of the chase, the overcoming of approaching anxiety, is missing from the picture on Tinder.
        It is easy to pick up a girl who already signalled that, well, she finds you fuckable. But then your Game skills are not improving!
        I say, avoid that Tinder altogether – not forgetting the program was written by – guess what? – Jewish programmers. They are in it to destroy White male-female relationships, traditional courtship, and our sexual culture.
        Do not let them.

        1. Thrill of the chase is bullshit nowadays. All you need is a bunch of cash and internet to find some bitches willing to fuck, it’s not that hard 😀

        2. Only if you voluntarily accept the Beta Bux-role.
          Then, indeed, a bunch of cash is more than enough.
          But most Red Pilled guys prefer the Alpha Fux-mode…

        3. Why waste time learning game when I can spend some money and get better sex? I try to learn game but still fail most of the time with girls. Might as well I spend less and fuck anytime I want.

        4. I think you should still learn game because it enhances other areas of your life. The same thing with getting in shape and staying that way. But I get the “buy it outright” approach too. There ain’t nuthin’ ya caint hire done. 😉

        9. Because you will not get better sex. Not even technically in most cases.
          You will miss the intimacy. You will miss the feeling that you are a desirable man, who seduced this hot girl, making her wet. You will miss the rush, the high of having a girl under you who submit to you, who want you to use her body for your pleasure, and who takes pleasure from your dick.
          Besides, in prostitution there is that implication, that these are “high SMV women”, and that you are so below them that you can not even dream of ever touching a girl of this calibre, so you better shell out a big amount of your hard-earned cash if you ever want to experience that great pleasure which only they can give… And I call out this bullshit.
          Go, fuck a hooker, or two, or ten, why not? You learn from it, you get real life experience of what is it about. But do not make the mistake of thinking sex is like that. Sex is much better than that, they are just hookers.
          Do not give up on Game. Embrace your failures, learn from them. It is a process, a learning curve . You think I go into the night, picking up any women I want, anytime, easily? Sure, that would be a day… It does not work like that. I fail most of the times. But when I don’t, when I get lucky, then it gives such a rush, such a high, that a pair of perfect 10 luxury hookers could never give me for 10,000 dollars…

        10. Hookers aren’t there to make you feel desirable, only to fuck them for your pleasure and I don’t care if she enjoys it or not. The best hookers are those that make you feel like your not with someone you just paid for sex maybe the hookers you found weren’t good at all.
          I never said that I would give up. Some guys first they use a prostitute and then they go game women in clubs so if they fail, at least they would already have had sex. Maybe I should do something like that if I want to pick up for free, although in 1 way or another you always pay for it.

        11. “Jewish programmers. They are in it to destroy White male-female relationships, traditional courtship, and our sexual culture.”
          So you’re saying that only whites use tinder?

        13. I think “game” is an elusive term that actually encompasses natural “charm” which is extremely difficult if not impossible to emulate. Women universally prefer the charming Lebanese tour-guide over the nerdy aspie Belgian accountant. I don’t think the latter can imitate the former without it looking suspicious.

        14. How the fuck should I know that? I would rather get caught molesting a dog than having a Tinder profile! So I do not know who are on it.

        15. I fucked my share of hookers in this life. All I want from now on, is to somehow get my money back. I think women owe me that money I have spent on hookers, the way I see it. They are allowed to compensate me in nature, in the flesh, so to speak.

        17. I don’t use it either but I bet there are plenty of non-whites using it. Heck, I’m pretty sure Jewish girls use it too.

        18. It wasn’t all women who made us pay for sex with hookers but when your tired of being rejected it seems like paying for prostitution is the only choice.

        20. I would be a lousy pimp.
          Besides, I consider prostitution a shameless ripping off of young guys for their normal desires.
          I would rather set up a gang, armed with AKs, conquer a city, and distribute the loot, including the girls, ISIS or African bush war style.

        21. I think this is intentional, especially in capitalist societies. Somebody realised there is money to be made, so they made as if hot women were scarce goods, and they are extorting high prices from us. Typical businees model for luxury goods. But it is artificial.

        22. Well if we are talking “natural charm” that isn’t game. That’s like being handsome, having a naturally aesthetic body or an attractive walk. Guys like that are “naturals” and they have a genetic edge. “Game” encompasses things like: Going to the gym and eating right to improve our musculature and body fat percentage. Learning to dress well and in tones that compliment our own coloration. Learning which fragrances work with our chemistry. Getting over the fear of speaking in public or to people, particularly women, we don’t know. And yes, you can learn to be cool, funny and charming too. I was a high school nerd (science club president if that tells you anything) and didn’t have a clue how to dress, what to say to girls and was skinny with a big nose. Because of learning what they like and attention to detail to how I look, dress and act, women love me. I get more hugs, attention and affection than I deserve and have turned down more poon than most men will ever have offered. I’m no natural, but I put forth the effort and made sacrifices it takes to look good naked in my late fifties, while polishing my social skills continuously along the way. Game is a journey, not a destination and almost anyone can master it if they want to and will try.

        23. Problem is, hot women ARE scarce goods, depending on where you live. On one hand, you’ve got China and India, who’ve created shortages due to mismanaged population control (and it’s arguable that a mild version of that has screwed up the numbers in the West as well). On the other hand, in places where you do have women in decent numbers, the vast majority of them are either overweight, divorced, single moms, New Age/Wiccans, mentally ill, or struggling with some other form of dysfunction.
          The PTB big-wigs that hijacked society have made it so that a man’s sexual options in the west are quite limited nowadays. Here’s food for thought: have you ever noticed that in a lot of first-world economies with high-value men but tons of unattractive women, there’s this strong push for LGBT-everything? Looks like somebody’s trying to profit from the hot women shortage, doesn’t it? Why do you think they’re organizing pride parades in China every chance they get, even though they know they’ll be arrested? They know that anywhere there’s a woman shortage there’s a potential LGBT playground to be had, and they’re like pitbulls when it comes to indoctrinating the masses into the “lifestyle.”

        24. That is food for thought, I have to think it over.
          I happen to live in Hungary, I am Hungarian, and Hungarian girls are famous for their beauty, so I have no reason to complain.
          Besides, one man’s 10 is another man’s 5. Lot of times I go to a party, and see girls and tell my friends, I am in love, look at that hot beauty, I want her so bad that I must seduce her and make me mine, she is my dream-girl type. And my mate says, who? That scrawny little thing with little and less breasts? Go, and fuck her by all means, bro, while we hit on that real hot beauty with long sexy legs and ample cleveage. That big, tall bird, I ask, well, good lack to you my dear fellow!
          So I do not envy those guys who fuck those 10s that the whole of society approves as being 10s. I do not even care, not any more that I care for fat girls, or ugly girls, or average girls. There is the type I prefer, and it is as if the rest was not even there. They are for the other guys, not me.
          However, ok, hot women are scarver goods, or I would say more coveted
          goods than average or ugly women. But those hot women’s SMV is paid for
          in unreasonably inflated prices.
          It is crazy. This Sugar Daddy BS just hit the mainstream here quite recently, and it is crazy. Spending millions on girls from the scheme, when you could simply get her for 5,000 in a brothel on the scheme. I really do not understand these guys.
          Time for a sexual counter-revolution. Time to put Western women back to their places. Maybe time to re-colonise the world, and distribute the loot and the women from the conquered lands among White males to show that we are not Racists.

        25. The only difference is honest prostitutes will do sex for money while others (street hookers, girlfriend, wife) will rip you off. I rather pay prostitute to fuck once a week than wife up a women who don’t give me regular sex.

        26. Sugar daddies pay that much money because they are desperate for pussy and can’t find it for cheaper. There’s no women who is a 10 in beauty and if there is maybe she isn’t worth it.

        27. Set up a gang like ISIS means you’ll get arrested, injured or killed. Might as well save up the money you make and have sex whenever the mood for sex comes because it’s a lot easier. Just make sure that it doesn’t become an addiction cause it could be worse than drugs or gambling.

        28. If you want sex fuck a hooker.
          If you want a friend, get a DOG.
          If you want a relationship go jump of a cliff lol

        29. Why should one wife up a woman who does not give regular sex? What would be the fucking point?
          Besides, women rip you off if you let them.
          Most men think having money is a cheat-code, so they do not have to be good in Game. Wrong move. Women will just rip you off and treat you as a wallet, a breathing ATM. But why being surorised when it happens, if you elected to go the Beta Bux route, and willingly, in such case?
          Getting rich FOR WOMEN, so that you will be more attractive to them, is embracing the Beta Bux mentality. Avoid that, at all costs.
          Paying hookers is the straightforward Beta Bux mentality. You are a MAN.
          WHY do you assume that you will not be able to get a girl who has genuine sexual desire for you, and would fuck you willingly anytime you want?

        30. But most of the very same girls are moonlighting in brothels, for much cheaper.
          Fucking thirst destroys it for evryone, and women capitalize on the phenomenon.
          Really it is time for a sexual counter-revolution.

        31. The point is there’s no point to marry even if she fuck all the time marriage is rubbish. I assume nothing, I just know how hard it is to get women especially if your in a wheelchair like me. So might as well I pay for sex to get laid and not give a fuck about relationships or marriage.

        32. I was just daydreaming, such gangbanging thing does not happen, will not happen, unless the situation deteroirates, and war or civil war erodes society around us.
          I refuse to pay for sex to hookers any longer. When I was young I did, but just because I did not know any better. But the Red Pill knowledge I gained since revealed to me what was the problem with me, and why I thought to go that route in the first place.
          I refuse the notion that any woman’s sexual market value is so above me, that I can only counter the imbalance with my hard-earned cash. Seriously, who the fuck they think they are? The very idea insults my manhood and intelligence.

        33. You should get rich for YOURSELF, not for some women. Beta or Alpha is just bullshit if all i want is quick sex. I don’t even believe in love so no point in getting married.

        34. So Tinder is a jewish plot because you don’t like the fact that they came up with it and you didn’t. Or that your women can’t be controlled by you. Looks like jews actually won this round, you can take your tinfoil hat now

        35. Well, these THOTs charging 5 bucks to chat on tinder are the very definition of prostitutes. They will deny it to their dying breath, but deep down they know it.

        36. Yep, the Jews pretty much won the round in and after WW2.
          They were pushing the Cultural Marxist agenda of White Genocide unchallenged for countless years… Sexual Revolution, Feminism, PC and Multikulti, the lot.
          And now, here comes the reaction. It was building momentum slowly, but it is coming. One can feel it. We are already winning, the pendulum is swinging back. The borders of Europe will be defended. And more and more Whites are waking up to the real deal. No, it is not reported in the media, no it will not appear in the mainstream, only when it will be too late for them to act against us in the usual manner. And the Jews will be hit so fucking hard, the following pogroms will be so cruel, that Holocaust was a soft business compared to it.

        37. Yes Sir, that is the message: get rich for yourself, to make your life easier and confortable, not for making it better for frigging women.
          Alpha and Beta are existing, observable behaviour models.

        38. Stop right there. What is this wheelchair business?
          Sir, if you are in a wheelchair, then forget everything I said.
          I have no experience in similar situation, so I can not give you valid and tested advice. For me that is unchartered territory. I do not know how life works in such a situation, so I do not know what to do. You tell me, then.

        41. You’re deluding yourself mate. You should try whoring in Asia. More loving and affectionate than any white girlfriend ever managed.
          Wet is random. Nothing to do with any feelings they have for you. Some girls always are, some girls never are. Done a lot of whores, 30% wet. Done a lot of straight girls, 30% wet.
          Never done a white whore, maybe they’re as bad in bed as other white women.

        42. No wife gives a man regular sex. Biffaults Law.
          Never met one man ever, whose wife fucked him much after reproducing.

        43. No shortage of fuckable women in China. But they want guys with cash, same as everywhere else. No shortage of hot women either. 3/4 of my wife’s university classmates are 8s or 9s. You need to get out of the west.

        44. I banged two perfect 10s in the last 6 months. 2000pesos each and well worth it.

        45. OK. So that is the reason why the men of older times used their wives for reproduction, and used their other lovers for pleasurable sex. At the end, Red Pill folks of today will be able to put together the whole picture.

        46. Ok I have never been to Asia. As I am fond of small, petite girls, because myself is not a big guy, I would certainly check out Asian girls , whores included, if I ever travelled there.

        47. Usually you have to pay 2k peso for each night in philippines as far as i know and not everyone can travel. I’m a wheelchair user who lives in western europe and would love to visit ukraine or thailand but it’s hard to find someone to travel with me. Also in my country it’s not legal to pay for sex.

        49. Well it’s just normal life except that sometimes you find people in general who don’t accept a relationship with you cause of a disability. That’s the only reason why i prefer to pay and cause it’s easier to pay even for a 23 year old guy like me.

        50. I saw one of the most stunning young girls ever walking beside an American Vet. in his wheelchair.
          Anyway, plenty of online Filipino girls from dating sites would be happy to meet you at Manila airport and see to ALL your needs while you were there. You would have to pay of course, but not all that much. Usually 1,000-2,000 pesos a day for the pro girls, plus expenses (meals, drinks, transport, accommodation). Airlines will escort you from European Departure counter to Manila Arrival counter at no extra cost.
          2k is club prices, the girl only gets half of that, and most won’t be getting customers every night. A really hot girl would be taken roughly every other night in high season. Low season they would be lucky to find 2 customers a week. Last low season I was out there with my bro, where we went around 30 clubs, 20 girls in each …… and we seemed to be the only guys in every club. One club we went two was doing a Buy One, Get One Free offer which he took up. I didn’t bother as the first girl I met, moved in with me for the week …. 500peso a day, no expenses. Jeez I was exhaused, my pals still tease me about that one, I could hardly stand.
          Anyway, can’t see how your country could object to you hiring a live in home help for a month. (Monthly hire for a ‘girlfriend’ would normally be 10,000-15,000 pesos. or same in Baht if you’re in Thailand)

        51. Ok. You have my blessing, go and do whatever you think is the best solution for you. You have bigger problems by default than worrying about if using prostitutes is a good or bad thing. Take out of your life whatever you can. Take care and best wishes to you.

        52. I wasn’t waiting for anyone to give me blessing for what i do lol but thanks. I know that it could be a bad thing to pay for sex because you could get so used to it that you end up being lazy to pick up up normal women but it can be a good thing to do if after sex, your still going to approach some women and get to know them.
          I know most people here want to learn game and if that’s what they want, good luck to them!

        53. Those are worse than prostitutes cause they do nothing for the money and they don’t deserve shit.

        54. Still at it?
          If you wanna message the bank, sew lips shut and cut off fingers.
          Stat!

        55. It makes no difference, as our male female (white, black, brown, yellow and Jewish) relationships, traditional courtship, and our sexual culture are already destroyed. They are long past and barely visible in the rear view mirror.

        56. As numerous gold digger videos have shown, you don’t need the internet. Just walk up to attractive women in the street and first intimate that you have money then start to up the bidding until you get to the price where they will drop their panties and let you do them over the hood in the parking garage. One case I saw the guy got up to $1,500 dollars, cash in hand, and the girl got in the car. At that point he asked how old she was and she said 15. He kicked her out of the car. It starts young. Don’t put any credence in those guys that say players are corrupting girls that would otherwise make good wives. In this culture women come pre-corrupted.

        57. The PUA pros state in their material that they get about a 1% success rate. They don’t state this outright, you have to run the numbers yourself. And this is guys that dedicate every waking moment of their lives running game and racking up notches. I had a college friend in the early 70s that told me it was just a numbers game and I didn’t believe him. We went to a disco and he approached women with the very sophisticated line of, “Want to have NSA sex?” He was turned down 4 times then left with number 5. Of course he was young, blond, blue eyed, and extremely good looking and fit. The secret he said was to have absolutely no standards and not take anything personal.
          If you are none of those things the method still works, you will just get a lot more no’s, a few face slaps, one or two drinks thrown in your face, and then go get laid by a 4-5 out of 10. Or you can take a couple of hundred dollars and go get laid like tile by a 10/10. YMMV.

        58. But in the past, these things not simply just existed, like as an outside force, or as a separate reality outside of the influence of humans’
          These things existed because people wanted them to exist, and acted accordingly. These things not just simply happened, but people made it to happen!
          Which is both good news and bad news. Because if we want, we can make them happen again. But only if we act accordingly. No higher power will grant them to us.
          WE ARE THE SOCIETY! We make the rules, we make things happen.

        59. Why do people keep thinking jews are behind the sexual market? If they were and could control it why wouldn’t they make themselves more desirable or force all sexual routes for hot women their way? Because far as I’m concerned, being jewish doesn’t sound like a statement for being sexually attractive to women. I just don’t understand all this anti-semetic bullshit

        60. I don’t want slaps or drinks in my face and i prefer a 10/10 girl with money then a 5/10 for free.

        63. I don’t see a problem with a guy buying a hooker as a matter of convenience. It’s only when you have to do it out of necessity I guess.
          I read a study about men with dark triad traits and two interesting things were that although those men tended to have more consensual sexual partners than the average man, they were also more likely to pay for sex and commit date/acquaintance rape.

        64. I am not against guys paying prostitutes. I did that myself, a lot.
          I am trying to convey my personal experience, so others can avoid my mistakes.
          I was a teenager and a twenty-something young male. An incel. I thought the reason why must be that I am so ugly that girls cringe, and that I must pay hookers for sex if I want any.
          In reality, I wasn’t. In reality I lacked Game and I was beta AF.
          And having to pay as a young man was soul-destroying.
          That is all I wanted to say. Do whatever you want, but be aware of who you are, why you are doing it, and learn from the experience.

        66. Note: I live in Asia and travel frequently. I find that Tinder is the single most reliable way to rapidly acquire fuck buddies or side-chicks, usually with at least some English proficiency, without having to run extensive night game or pipeline via a bunch of country-specific online dating sites.
          So yes, tons and tons of non-whites and non-Westerners are using Tinder.

        67. Ok I understand.
          I mean, if Tinder works for you, you have my blessing to use it!
          Although it is not as if you needed my blessing to use it in the first place 🙂

        68. What ever happens, pussies will ALWAYS enjoy it, including “gangbanging” !!

        69. “Seriously, who the fuck they think they are? The very idea insults my manhood and intelligence.”
          This MUST be the feeling of every real MAN.

        70. Aren’t hot MEN are scarce ! By the way, Bharat/India has more pussies than MALES, and it’s a undeniable fact.
          Majority of the pussies are spoiled by western funded NGO and western controlled Media. Fuck the “political correctness” !

        71. Then those men picked the wrong women, P.J. I’ve been with my wife for 29 years and she makes sure there’s nothing left over for anyone else. We had the hound dog conversation many years ago (before we were married). I explained it this way “I’m like an ol’ hound dog. If there’s no food on the back porch, I’m headin’ over to th’ neighbor’s house. This is why I’m with you now. My ex didn’t get that.” Other than times of sickness or physical injury my love life has always been “regular.” She knows sex is something I’m very interested in, so she’s interested too. I realize my relationship is not the norm and I also make sure it’s a worthwhile experience for her. I have known a few other guys over the years that had similar relationships. You, as the man, have to put forth the effort to keep the interest level up and the romance alive if you expect her to reciprocate. Part of it is staying in shape, dressing well, the right colognes, being a good cook, being funny, keeping your SMV high so you always have options. That is how “the game” is played, is it not? Let yourself go and watch her (and every other woman) lose interest.

        73. I would have agreed with you after being with my English wife 32 years, 2 engaged, 30 married. But she dumped me after 30 years of marriage ……… so watch out, it’s never to late for them to do the dirty …… just when you least expect it.

        74. I’m really sorry to hear that. In our case we share a lot of common interests, she is completely smart phone / social media resistant and there is a strong Faith based element to it as well. So I realize it could happen, but it’s highly unlikely and I do my best to be valuable enough to her, for that option to be undesirable. But hey, life isn’t fair and anything could happen. I think the only thing we can be sure of in this life is that we can’t really be sure of anything where other people are involved. So I just take it one day at a time.

        75. I expect I’ll never lose interest. I overheard my grandmother telling my mother how she knew that my granddad had recovered from the flu. She’d carried my granddad (who was about 82 at the time) a bowl of chicken soup and her words “That old cuss dragged me into the bed and had his way with me!” I’m 57 and most folks guess my age as early 40s. My contemporaries refer to me as “young man” lol! I suppose a new 20 y.o. would be fun for a few months, but they’re bloody hard to train for work around the homestead these days. I think I’ll stick with tried and true. 😉

      3. Nothing beats alcohol given to a desperate slut.
        They havent gone away, ya know….

      4. It’s accurate. I’m guilty. But asking for money for the ~privilege~ of your number. Get a life, you entitled little shits. Your stank puss and boring emoji scattered texts aren’t worth 10 cents.

      5. This is why I’ve always used extension apps with Tinder, such as Flame, which gives you a list of women who have already swiped right on you. Then you just select from this list of women who have pre-selected *you*. Much better use of your time, and higher f-closure rate. However, within the past few months I’ve noticed that virtually all Tinder-extending apps don’t seem to be working correctly. I think the Tinder developers broke their API or something….

    2. Yes, Tinder is gay and beta times a billion; guys need to stay the fuck off that shit. Jerking off to lesbian porn or whatever is superior to it, uh, allegedly.

      1. No, I would definitely not recommend jerking off to porn instead of Tinder.
        What I would recommend though, is good oldfashioned, oldschool running of Game on young females.

        3. I meant to reply to the Tinder part (i.e. why not be on Tinder and run game at the same time).

        5. Tinder certainly does help you bed real life women.. Not as satisfying as a cold approach, but still worth doing.
          ..multiple streams of income, you know.

        6. At the end of the day, you may convince me to sign up, if you say it is worth a try…

        7. I would say it is worth giving a shot..as long as it doesn’t affect your motivation to run game in the field.

        8. Sorry to say, it doesn’t. Not just (masturbating) wanking to porn but even “normal” wanking doesn’t lower T levels.

        9. Okay, I concede your point for technical merit. I should have said wanking does nothing to enhance your T levels. Where up to three weeks of abstinence (with T levels peaking at day 7) or actual intercourse with a woman both raise your T levels. So, to me wanking is counterproductive in the sense that it’s like leaving money on the table.

        10. Oh yeah, one more thing. Wanking repeatedly and regularly does appear to reduce the number of androgen receptors in your brain and increases your estrogen levels. Neither are good for your masculinity.

      2. lesbian porn is the epitome of betaness.
        guys fantasizing on their own exclusion of the sexual game (in favor of what ? another woman ?) are just cucks.

        1. Yes, the reason is because those men are emasculated, and so internally see themselves as being non-men. That is why the fantasy of two women is so powerful to them. Unconsciously, they are one of the women.

        2. indeed. an other interpretation is that they are so blue pilled, they have submitted to the almighty of feminity, considering two women together as the purest form of beauty, thus despising what they are themselves (men = sub version of women) at the core.
          those guys deserve no respect from men who respect themselves.

        3. I agree. I never got the appeal of lesbian porn. Lesbians in real life look nothing like that they are usually dykes with piercings all over, obese , short hair, look like men and ugly as sin. Lesbians are not hot. It’s porn that excludes you a man no different than cuckolding

    3. Unrestrained male sex drive and female hypergamy. No more building blocks of society and no more society. Well the traditionalists will eventually have to come together somewhere to create a new one.

      1. I disagree. We should rather carry out our sexual counter-revolution!
        It is not for us to go anywhere, this civilization is ours, handed down to us by our ancestors.
        So we must take it back from the Jews who usurped it, and make it ours again.
        There is no other way!
        Our sexual counter-revolution is the way to go!

    4. Well, if a man is in need of cash, he can put up a fake female Tinder profile pretending to be a pretty white girl and wala…..profit…$$$

      1. Believe it or not, I was considering pulling that very scam, right after reading that article.
        Unfortunately I live in Hungary. The local guys here would only respond with a hearty chuckle.

  25. I guess for some a micro transaction on the web is better than a macro humiliation in the real world.
    I really cant imagine raising a kid in this world…

    1. The thought keeps me up at night sometimes. And god help me if it ends up being a daughter.

      1. I’ve had mainly sons (4 so far) ….. it isn’t a problem, I rather enjoy it.

        1. I don’t have kids, but I’m the youngest of seven brothers, no sisters. Yes, I know what you mean. Just easier when most of your family are men and the women have enough wisdom to step aside. Total awesomeness.

        3. In today’s world, just because they are born sons doesnt mean they will stay sons.

        7. Indeed. My grandmother had seven kids, all her sisters but one had at least three kids, and most of them lived at least to their 80s. If there’s is such a thing as strong and empowered women, it’s them. And most of my older male relatives could still till the fields, fix cars, and build cinder block houses well into their 80s. Let’s just say, they give me a lot to look up to.

        10. “I don’t believe in the no win scenario” – Admiral James Tiberius Kirk

        11. Some lines will not be crossed under serious physical threat.
          Any offspring wishing to flaunt faggotry WILL do it beyond my sight if they wish to continue.

      2. You simply cant defend from the 24/7 onslaught of perversion that is her smartphone- all the good work you did can be undone in a matter of weeks once she gets to college

        1. Why is college necessary for her? My daughter’s sole purpose in life is to learn how to be a good wife and mother, like her mother and grandmothers.
          And a smartphone is not necessary either

        2. We have a rule in my church community: No child gets a cell phone until they are old enough to pay for it and as long as they are under their parents’ roof they turn their phone in by 9-10 pm.

    2. If they think being rejected by a woman they don’t know that they approached at a bar is a macro humiliation then they deserve to be fleeced by these girls.

    3. You only feel humiliation when its from someone you respect.
      Some silly slit cant shake me because their opinion is irrelevent.
      I find an asset or I keep looking until I do, who cares what the one who rejected you says?

      1. Yeah, how bad can losing $5 be ………. wait till you lose a house, now that HURTS!

    3. Deserves a smack upside the head and an long uncomfortable chat, too. Reasonably sure I’m not that close to anyone this stupid, though.

  28. The Tinder lottery…….where you pay but don’t even get to scratch anything!

  29. fuck tinder, cold approach day game BLOWS THAT SHIT AWAY! Roosh V’s one approach a day and 3+ days of gym a week has changed my life…stay away from tinder modern men!

    1. Not everyone is in a profession/world where there are an abundance of available women.

  30. Those profiles all look fake. All those microtransactions are going to some hackers bank account.

  31. Catfishys are ready to make the most of this opportunity.
    Step 1. Steal pics off Instagram
    Step 2. Upload to profile
    Step 3. MILK ITTTTTT!

    1. remember that scandal last year about that hooking up site that ended up being just a bunch of fembots? I think that is getting to be very common.
      edit: Ashley Madison

      1. Madison Ashley. something like 95% of the “women” were bots, the owners claimed they were never held on to user’s personal info (They did), got hacked, users exposed. Men’s live ruined for flirting with women who didnt even exist- some even committed suicide as a result.
        Its a mad mad mad world

        1. The website founders know that men won’t sign up for a website if the pool of women is not large enough. That is why the fembot profiles are created.

        2. As soon as I learned of that shit I had it pegged as a blackmail factory….I mean how stupid do you have to be?

        3. I guess any attention, even if its a bot, is better than nothing, esp if you get none at home from the missus

        5. Exactly. It’s just another scam to collect your data. Veiled in tits and ass, and an unlimited supply of desperate betas willing to pay… The owners of these sites are laughing all the way to the bank!

      2. The question is: Do you know any dating websites out there with less than 50% fembots posing as members?

        1. I wouldn’t know. I got out of it back when they were just chatrooms. They didn’t have fembot technology then.

        2. Lucky you Jim! There are entire website with fake profiles milking beta heavily.
          Not calling you beta btw.

        3. I got a few dates from that, the last one I did was from this girl, cute in the face. She described herself as “a little curvy”. She lived about 100 miles away, not a big deal for a guy who lives out in the country. So, I take a Saturday and drive out. I get to the place where we are to meet and egad! this girl is 300+ pounds! Her photo must have been 10-15 years old, or she ate the cameraman. As soon as we made eye contact, I flipped her off and left……..Fun road trip though.

        4. Yeah they did.
          Remember all the fucked up names the niggers gave all the chat rooms?
          Example “12-16yogrrrlsfonigguhdix”
          and other stupid shit like that was everywhere for a long time.

        5. Been there, done that! Horrible thing to happen but makes for a funny story.

    1. Just send her a message that you normally charge $25, but you’ll credit her $5, so she only has to send you $20.

        1. You can take it from there – waive the fee for nudes, or tell her you don’t charge for a meet-up in person but she’ll need to buy the drinks/coffee.

        1. I really low balled that one. You could get a better value out of a stripper for $60

  34. What’s the deal with Starbucks? I know they’ve cleaned up their act a bit. CEO resigned: in part bcuz of hiring 10K invaders. And I heard they are hiring 10K Veterans & 40K American I general. Any of you guys rewarding them for changing course? Personally, I’m going to end my boycott as soon as I know this change is sincere. Have they genuinely changed their policies or is this just a PR stunt? Any input? Good article. Another indictment on the state of American women.

    1. I don’t go to Starbucks just because their coffee always tastes burnt. Frankly, I’d rather go to 7-11.

        3. My daughter likes a small chain called ‘Better Buzz’, and there’s another small chain ‘Black Rock’ coffee that sells a grind called ‘Death Wish’ coffee that’s nice.
          I ordered some different blends from ‘Black Rifle Coffee Company’, I’ve heard it’s good but haven’t tried it yet.

    1. Sorry, my time’s too valuable– but I’ll charge them $25 to leave a message that I won’t listen to.

  37. Some of this weeks articles are very dis-heartening. And whom would ever pay women to talk anyway? I guess some men get what they deserve. Problem is, those men ruin many women for the rest of us. I have a cousin who never quits running her mouth. I don’t even make eye contact with her. My brother makes fun of her relentlessly and I just laugh. She’s got a really nice fiancée, poor sap.

      1. of course no. i’m just afraid that it will propagate like fire as women are stupid and without moral. prostitution 2.0 (as someone said in the comments here) will force us to adopt red pill 2.0 and i’m a bit fed up to self reactualize to overcome every new bullshit of the dating market

        1. Red pill 2.0 = traditional marriage to virgin or MGTOW, anything else is asking for trouble.

  39. I saw a ex from years ago now advertising that she was accepting donations for her bastards college. Another ex had a sugar daddy buy her fake boobs in exchange for what she called non-sexual time. lol.

    1. Here, let me spend a lot of cash on you and you won’t have sex with me.
      That’s Beta Marriage 1.0 right there. What dude would do that shit?! lol

  41. In America, the only form of prostitution that is illegal is paying a small amount of cash for actual real sex. What a fucked up legal system. If sex for money were legal, this would not exist. The elites want to keep men sexual frustrated so they can separate them from their money.

    1. I’m curious how does keeping men frustrated separate them from their money ?

      1. Go to any pick up bar. They play the music so loud, you can’t talk to chicks, so guys buy way overpriced drinks. Same thing in Vegas, you can only look at strippers, so you end up gambling. The whole sports industry is taking advantage of frustrated single men or married men bored with their wives.
        The whole consumer economy based on making women career oriented and frustrating men.

  42. Hahaha…YET MORE faithless money-grubbing hookers. I love it when they masquerade as “empowered ladies.” A full frontal assault of cognitive dissonance. Who’s surprised that they’ll find any outlet for their loose, stupid bullshit?

      1. Don’t know what to say, asking money to talk. Who is that stupid to pay ? If there is a market for suckers, though, can’t blame girl.

  44. This will just turn Western men into Japanese men….men are just going to give up and recede into video games and anime leaving the women to dildos and batteries.

    1. I don’t think the elites are this masterful. Women know that they should act better. I’ve seen fathers demand that their daughters date better men but the girls openly defy their parents . The parents see their daughters downward spiral and do whatever they can to stop it but they don’t listen.

    2. I doubt it. We haven’t ascended beyond our base nature. Dildos and batteries may get her off but they’re no substitute for a man.

  45. I’ll give her $5 bucks for coffee at Starbucks if she sucks me off in the parking lot first.

  46. That new Bumble app is loaded with fake profiles, it’s fucking embarrassing. A hot blonde who is an airline pilot…LOL!!!!!

    1. I got a date tonight with a post wall bumble girl . I also approach girls of all ages in public. Many of the profiles are fake . You get mostly post wall on bumble

      2. There’s a 5% chance at best she will show up for the date. 95 % you will get a ” Something reaaally important came up. I’m so soooooorry” and hour before the date or so.

        1. That’s happened before many times to me. I just ignore them. That’s also happened to me with women that I’ve approached, only to see them at the same bar on the night of our so called date .

      3. There’s a perverse incentive for those dating apps to allow fake profiles. More users means more investors and advertisers.

  47. How does one go about setting up a bot to get in on this scam? Point me somewhere that I can learn and I’ll thank you greatly. OP is right. Eat or be eaten.

    1. I’d feel like a scumbag for ripping off decent men . Karma sucks man, be careful

      1. Possession of a dick & balls does not make anybody a man. A man would know better that to give $5 to a stranger, particularly if they offer “a surprise” in return. I get your point and I appreciate the warning against bad karma, but I’d have to disagree. Only the strong survive. When a lion eats a gazelle, does it earn bad karma? Maybe that poor limp-dicked bastard that loses $5 to my boy will end up getting red pilled as a result. Who knows? The buyer should always beware. It’s not the huckster’s fault that there’s a sucker born every minute, you know?

        1. I’m sure Madoff had the same line of thinking . Ask him now if he would scam innocent people over again

        2. Haha again, well put, but I wouldn’t exactly conflate fleecing people’s entire life savings with taking less than the cost of most Taco Bell combo meals from some thirsty loser.

        3. …and these women aren’t even offering anything for the $5. Just- hey, I might respond. No guarantee of anything.

        4. Ok i could see it being a good thing if you only took a few bucks here and there . It would red pill men ..

        6. They’ve usually done something to somebody somewhere that warrants it. You’re just being the long arm of karma, there.
          Excuse my noobosity though but what’s sa?

        8. Ohhhh, a whoreboard! Gotcha. Not a bad angle. They DEFINITELY deserve it.

  48. Damn this was a black pill for sure.
    How do you guys stop yourselves from hating women?

      1. I dont know man. I used to consider myself good with the gals, but now I just feel they are so beneath me.

        1. beneath you, atop you, before you….the preposition doesn’t matter.
          They serve a purpose.

        2. Youre right, Im being to emotional about this. They are animals, they have a set of behaviors.

        5. They can be. Hypergamy is a thing, they are constantly assessing if you’re the best option. Be the best option, be confident that you are, and act like it,– best option guys aren’t sending $5 for a ‘maybe I’ll respond’…. Another way of putting it:
          “It is a general rule of human nature that people despise those who treat them well, and look up to those who make no concessions.”
          ― Thucydides

        7. Man, we let you in the Telegram group and then you just come on here and diss us! Geesh!

    4. “black pill”………Now look here, we don’t tolerate your racism around here, young man.

      1. I promise I wont bring up the fact that crime rates in black neighborhoods reflect crimes rates in African countries.
        Or that illegal are 3% of the people present in the US and that they account for 15% of kidnappers.
        Just give me chance to prove myself.
        *ahem* NIggers.

    5. by acknowledging what they are, and what drives them. Then not getting mad about it, just dealing with that reality. I mean, what do I really care if women do this kind of thing? I’m not gonna play that game.
      Kind of like, you’re being unreasonable to hate your dog for barking. It’s a dog. It will bark. Deal with it.

      1. I think my problem is that I see the connection of their sluttiness an behavior to the degeneration of our civilization.

        1. People are individuals, not an entire civilization. Deal with them one on one. More and more folks, including women, are starting to realize this is a bad path to be on. Don’t take Tinder to represent everyone– don’t get on it. Its kind of the opposite of bots to attract men. If there aren’t men on the sites the actual women will leave as well.
          Could be funny – Tinder ending up as nothing but bots of both sexes randomly messaging each other.

        2. Mmmm, nah man, these people are individuals but there is a clear pattern here.

        3. Yes there is. But you can’t control a group of people, but you can, as GoJ states- maintain frame in your dealings with individual women. As more men come to the red pill type conclusions, they’ll learn to deal with reality vice romanticized notions.

        5. It’s the open brazenness. Women.. for thousands of years… knew this was the game. So did the men. But… they played the part, each gender, and at least tried to make it feel like genuine interest and connection. In many cases, it was more than try when you had traditional roles for men and women. Now… no roles, no tradition. Women… delusionally… feel ALL the power is now in their hands (pussy). When you have TOTAL POWER, and it is absolute, do you “pretend” or “fake” or “lie” to get what you want? No… you just ask for it and expect it.
          Oh… they are going to get what they want all right. They are now becoming 100% disposable objects for nothing less than sex. So long as a man does not take back his authority… woman will continue to enjoy the party she thinks will last forever.
          It won’t. The end is coming. This… is the climax for feminism and female empowerment in The West. Pun fully intended.

        6. “They are now becoming 100% disposable objects for nothing less than sex. So long as a man does not take back his authority… woman will continue to enjoy the party she thinks will last forever.”
          Yes, my fear is that they will never understand that they are not all powerful.
          I want them to come to terms with the fact that they are spiritually empty without us, but I worry they wont. I worry that they’ll just double down on their pussy power.

        8. You’re absolutely right. There is a story floating around about a group of female engineers who built a female centered clone of tinder with the twist that only women can make first contact. Of course, 20% of guys got 80% of the messages driving away the bulk of men who got no messages.

        1. Witnessing men and women succumb to their lower natures can depress even the most optimistic. Tinder attracts the corrupt and lost. Not everyone succumbs.

    7. By considering them irrelevent.
      No reason to pick up a tool if you arent using it

    8. Oh its hard to hate something beautiful. But its dangerous to let it change you. So i do phase into hatred at times if I let it get to me.

    9. I don’t hate a lion because it kills its prey and consumes it. That’s part of its nature in being a lion. I can no more hold it as something to hate than I could anything else. What I do, is learn its nature and then ensure that I don’t get caught being the prey it stalks. But I don’t blame it or hate it.

  51. All of this… ALL OF IT… would go away with one resounding cry of…
    N. O.
    No.
    By every single western male.
    But instead… thirst… and the end of The West accelerates to ramming speed.

    1. Absolutely. Such a powerful and simple word, yet so few will ever come close to harnessing it’s power!

  52. Nothing but whores, not worthy of our time or effort, especially not our finances. Soon these whores will be disease filled soulless c**ts hitting The Wall and Turbo Hamstering to justify their whore behaviour. Leave them to the beta chumps.

    1. It’s OK. You don’t have to censor the word CUNT.
      Say it aloud…. CUNT.
      Now my friend, type it out in full without shame.

    1. 90% of the females on tinder are likely bots. Just like the Ashley Madison fiasco. The number could be lower but I’m guessing a high percentage are fake

  54. If I were to ever have doubts about my marriage, all it would take is an article like this to affirm the fact that I made the Right Decision over 19 years ago. I can’t imagine being this desperate and having to navigate these murky waters. Rise above this shit!

  56. You have to be one sorry man to send money like that. In fact it is almost to the point where where guys that do that should be considered ones that had it coming to them.

  57. Im glad Im where Im at and nowhere near these large cities filled with IDIOTS.
    Everyday I hope for another Carrington Event to reset the natural order.
    This town needs an enema.

  58. I used to “chase” women, but not anymore. I credit the Red-Hot Pill for that. I am an oldster and not on any of the faggoty social media nonsense. Regards sending money to some girl to talk to her, well I would sooner send her the steam off of my sh*t. Is there an app for that.

    1. That’s probably smarter than PayPal or GoFundMe. I don’t think you can do “chargebacks” with BitCoin.
      It’s still sad that any guy would pay though.

  61. High value men don’t need to worry. I mean sure at some point we were intimidated by those jacked guys at the gym or that guy at a blog meetup who had large muscles, a huge paycheck, and a ton of charisma. If we look at the average male today, he doesn’t go to the gym, studied liberal arts or business, is 5’10”, is slightly overweight or skinny-fat, only plays video games/fantasy football/watch sports/the office/game of thrones/etc, etc.

  62. I dont know if its my area or what, but i gotta swipe 20+ fake profiles of girls before i see a real one, and theyre usually unattractive anyway. Biggest waste of time, unless you get bonfire or something, but thats still a waste of time. Endless texting and texting…its a fucking fulltime job.

    1. I only cold approach when I’m out doing something or at my favorite bar . That’s also a full time job . It’s never easy my friend

    2. If you approach 20 women in the real world, do you think you could’ve at least gotten laid with one of them? I would say yes. No young man should do online dating

      1. In my 20’s in the UK, I managed around 1 in 10.
        In my 60’s in Asia, I’m doing 7 out of 10.
        Same age girls 18 – 30 but better looking.
        Been jumped twice in the last 6 months, when I wasn’t even looking.
        (Once after an invite to use her apartment swimming pool)
        (Once while I was eating breakfast at a local restaurant)
        Ya gotta love gold diggers!

  64. Look at it this way fellas… If you need to supplement your income, just create one of these (fake) profiles for yourself and see what happens.

  65. This just gives total reasoning as to why men go and join the MGTOW movement. They’re sick and fucking tired of putting up with this kind of extortion and bullshit entitlement.
    I wouldn’t send a turd, let alone a fiver to talk to any skank on the internet. This here is the complete concept of hypergamy, and entitlement that has gone totally untethered. The only kind of payment these women deserve is a pair of balls to the face.

  66. Some of them might be a covert for “pay for sex”.
    If talking to them is like around $500 then I wonder what their sex pay would be.
    Is it that insane that some men are willing to pay for this?
    Why not just approach a girl on the street and initiate conversation? Is that so hard to do?

    1. Yes. Yes it is very difficult. Most guys, myself included can’t approach attractive strangers consistently

  67. These money grubbing skanks may be fleecing the sniveling little simps of the world, but I think we can all at least share a laugh over the fact that this is the best they’re ever going to get. Sure they’ll get something that is only male in the strictest biological sense of the word to pay them for a little superficial attention. But they’ll never get any true satisfaction from it. By the time they’ll realize it, it’ll be too late. The Wall will have already been hit and the descent into complete invisibility to even the biggest of pussified simps will already be well underway. Those perky tits and that firm butt are going to be nothing more than two fried eggs and a plastic bag of cottage cheese nailed to a sack of old potatoes.
    And that’s really the best part of it all, guys. No matter what new lows we find the Strong Independent Western Woman stooping to, time will always be on our side.

    1. I agree . It’s nice being in my mid 40s and running into the attention whores of the past who wouldn’t even consider going out with me. Now they are medicated , complete losers, and only fat old guys in their 60s pay attention to them . They also are flat broke and their skin is starting to age rapidly

        2. Do you have sex with that dog? You’re holding it like it’s your boyfriend

        3. hahahahahhahahahahahahaahh xD xD xD …No, no I don’t… xD Gosh you men on this website are funny.

        4. Next is you will call us losers, small penises, etc… even though most of us are educated professionals.

        6. He means that he’s buying them. This is not me saying something that he hasn’t already said many times. If he had to rely on pickup he’d be a hermit.

        7. I seem to recall you stating that if a man wants to buy women, then so be it C’est la vie, it’s their life, but you keep on barking about the guy. I’m sure you’re the American Gigolo of the 21st century in cow town Ohio which isn’t saying much.

        8. I see… I don’t read much of what he comments. I just found this particular comment interesting because he asked how fat I was on another thread (I’m not fat).. And then I see this where he admits he’s fat. I know, I know. Everyone’s hypocritical, but I didn’t think it’d be so blatant. But yeah, I guess with a lot of money you can do anything. Still…yikes!!

        9. And you live in Columbus!? Whattt? Not that I agree with much of what you or anyone on ROK believe , but small, small world.

        10. Will you go away soon ? That stupid dog pic is annoying. In China they eat those things .

        11. I meant I wasn’t gonna say those insults about you… And I’m sorry you’re upset for misinterpreting what I said and that you decided to start a conversation with me. And I’m not sure how that’s relevant in any way, but okay.

        12. I agree, in part, but consider this:
          After age 60, it is good enough if a piece of tight pussy, perk tits, and firm ass is laying and sweating under you.
          It does not matter WHY she is there. At all.
          It is not an ego thing or pride thing for the old rouges.
          Seriously.
          They do not fucking care.

  70. Many tinder bitches also tell you to add them on your instagram. In these cases their sole purpose is to develop a following and sell advertisements because they have X amount of followers (usually in the thousands )

  71. Most guys would be wise to dump social media and online dating. The market is simply over saturated. I keep telling a coworker of mine who’s been grinding his gears for months on tinder. The pendulum has swung back. Old fashioned ground game in the real world is how you get laid….consistently

  72. Just wait until a feminist article appears promoting this as a form of ‘female empowerment’. Is it possible to transfer an amount like just 5 cents just to mess with them? Message her and tell her you can chat to a better looking woman for less and that she needs to lower her price.

  73. After reading this, I really want to troll Tinder….if I had the time. Women love edgy. I’d one up the 50 Shades experience with that of The Story of O or the Marquis de Sade for $100 or more. What I’d do would have lolknee aghast.

  74. Some of these articles I am not sure if the author is naive or is just using whatever possible to push a narrative. This is one of them.
    Various scams have been run on just about every internet platform for 20+ years. There might not even be women on the other side of those accounts. It could be some guy in Nigeria and probably is.
    When someone portraying themselves as a woman on the internet is asking for money that is huge warning you’re dealing with a scammer of some level. It is not necessarily pay-for-play and probably not at all. It’s just a scam. This is like falling for someone who will send you “her” photographs after you send “her” some money.
    Even if the woman pictured is who you’re dealing with, there’s no ‘play’, only ‘pay’. This sort of camwhore situation is the best possible option.
    I can’t believe the scam even works on anyone let alone is taken seriously as anything but a monetary scam.

    1. Well at least some of them are accounts from real women, local TV had an interview with one. She was quite proud of herself for doing this, and quite contemptuous of the very men sending her cash.

      1. It does make it more likely to be real, however a TV news story could be as real as similar topic articles in the dailymail.
        The contempt is par for the course and if she is real she’ll consider men who don’t spend money on her to be cheap.

        1. I do agree with you that once the idea is out there, there will be plenty of guys setting up dummy accounts to do this, and some probably already have.

    2. I can tell you from emprirical and anecdotal experience that majority of the “venmo” me accounts on tinder are real sluts, and not bots or cam girls. The author already addressed how the real people can be filtered through.

      1. A slut has sex for free. A whore charges for it. These are neither. It’s not like they meet any of their marks in person. They just want their marks’ money. Who knows what is on the other end.

        1. I personally matched with several of these sluts. They have their Instagram accounts linked to their tinder account. So as for those individuals I know who’s on the other end

        2. That’s not nearly enough. It’s still just photos. So much out there to simply take. Even if it passes a reverse image search that just changes the probability. To me anyone asking for money on the internet like that is fake until proven otherwise to a rather high degree.

        3. You’re overthinking it, and not dealing with the facts.
          They’re real women. Not sure why you can’t accept that.
          Similar things to this have been floating around before, and women have already been heading towards this in the west for a long time.

    3. No, this is not “one of them.”
      You missed the point completely. These aren’t scammers or bots (in this case) but women who are so far gone they have such a high opinion of themselves & have such poor character they are charging money to men just for them to get to (supposedly) talk to them.
      It’s not the classic “scammer” deal – it’s a new level of attention whore monetizing on the skewed dating market. It is a scam of course in a way, but not in the typical sense.
      He wrote the article to point out the cultural erosion we’re seeing with some women now.
      It’s like people’s reading comprehension today is at all an time low, honestly. Ugh.

      1. No I didn’t miss the point. Try not being so damn naive. It’s the internet, assume male until proven otherwise was one of the earliest rules. Scams of men posing as women are as old as the internet itself. That is before the web. Hell the scams go back into the BITNET and other older networks. Even if it is a woman odds are it is still a scam. It’s not dating. None of these paying men will probably get so much as a phone call. It’s just a scam. Plain old ordinary scam.

        1. I think you did not understand the article, nor the point. This is not men posing as women. “Naivety” does not apply – therefore I’ll disregard that comment.
          Yes, scams go back to the days of ancient history – that’s beside the point.
          Let me repeat this again, as apparently the underlying concept hasn’t sunk in: these aren’t men posing as women.
          You should be far less concerned about the more trivial details and far more concerned that women are doing this now. There is more to this than “scamming.” That’s the issue he based his article on.

        2. If you’re taking this as a sign or indication of ‘typical women today’ then that’s naive. The moment someone on the internet is trying to get money from strangers forget about this being any indication of typical conditions. Face value doesn’t apply on internet dating platforms. Even with real women looking to date face value doesn’t apply.
          Furthermore I didn’t argue all were men posing as women, but some certainly are. On every platform this could be carried out since practically the beginning of internet time that has occurred. There have also been female scammers on the internet for a couple decades. They are simply fleecing money from strangers.
          Tell ya what. You go do a study and pay 100 of these “women” and see how many you can verify are actually women in the dating world. Verification will consist of a photograph with you and her in the same place. Maybe this website will finance it.
          If your and the author’s hypothesis holds you should be able to get a large proportion on a date to squeeze even more money and services out of you. That’s what will happen if we are moving towards an ‘all women are escorts you pay for their time’ model. If I am correct you’ll meet very few if any. They’ll try to string you along and get more remote payments out of you but that will be it.

        3. No, It is not naive to make a statement based on fact and behavior demonstrated frequently by women. It is a fact that this type of behavior is increasing today. I have seen it myself.
          The issue that Brock (who I know, as we met at the RoK meet up some time ago here in Atlanta) is the increasingly selfish/narcissistic/etc behavior of women. He’s writing about what he’s seen.
          There are women who laugh and share with other women about how they can do this to men.
          Scams – the in the general since – are a different subject. AGAIN, we are talking about “everyday” women who are at the point of blatantly getting money from men because they have so little character and unfortunately can get away with it with no repercussions. They are so self-absorbed and feel entitled to do so – our society is not shaming or punishing them for this terrible behavior. That’s basically the point.
          I’m going to assume you aren’t out dealing with women now and seeing what it’s like at times. I have, else I wouldn’t have anything to comment about.
          If you don’t agree with the article, feel free to write an article here demonstrating whatever opinion you think is correct, or take it up with Brock.

        4. I did take it up with the author, see the comment you initially replied to.
          “AGAIN, we are talking about “everyday” women who are at the point of
          blatantly getting money from men because they have so little character
          and unfortunately can get away with it with no repercussions. ”
          No you’re not. You’re talking about profiles on an internet site. It is naive to think that behind these profiles are “everyday women”. Everyday scammers certainly, but everyday women that’s not shown at all. It’s assumed either intentionally or naively. I simply challenge that assumption and behind my challenge is a long history of people using so-called “beta thirst” to scam money out of men. Not just the internet but even brick and mortar matchmaking businesses. Ever notice that traditional matchmaking businesses don’t have published prices? They want to size people up for how much they can take them for.
          Again, show me that there really is this pay-to-date one step beyond pay-for-the-date thing going on. Not just some profile on an internet site/platform. Show me these are women actually dating, actually considering the men paying them as suitors or whathaveyou. That’s all you have to do.
          IMO at the very most what there will be is women who behave like escorts without the name. But I doubt even few will go that far. When pressed to meet in person even after accepting payment these women will be scarce. Either way, it’s just women scamming money.
          Now maybe if a guy has a lot of money and is really big chump they’ll actually “date” him and maybe even marry him to get his fortune but that’s still a scam.
          I need to be shown that pay-to-date is an actual thing. If it is, if there is such a market legitimately then well… I have some ideas. I simply don’t see a legitimate dating market for this beyond the “sugar daddy” thing.

        5. Whoah dog, ease up on being so uptight. Relax.
          Well, anyway I have more important things to do than argue with some guy on the internet about this.
          Have a good week.

        6. “Whoah dog, ease up on being so uptight. Relax.”
          “Well, anyway I have more important things to do than argue with some guy on the internet about this.”
          Says the guy who responded with bold font starting the argument.

  75. I think this article highlights an aspect of the feminine we perhaps haven’t considered before. Apparently, whores charge money. While I don’t have the links to the studies handy, I do have it on good authority that water is wet.

    1. These women are worse than whores. Whores are respectable by comparison, they exchange an actual service for money. These girls are just saying give me money…. note, they may never even respond after the money is sent. Not even an illusory promise.

  76. Scambots aside, it’s just whores milking thirsty simps for money. …Though most will lack the self-awareness to realise they’re whores.

  79. why would you talk to someone if you have to pay them? That makes no sense at all to me. I would rather buy a pet dog.

  80. And the decline of our culture continues…I think I’m going to go and live in a hippy bubble for a while and pretend its all OK.

  82. I feel strong and empowered selling myself for $5. Have to go now, the candle light vigil is starting at the local park. Tonight it’s about empowering woman and rejecting women being seen as sexual objects and judged for our appearance and anti-slut shaming……..gotta go.

  83. Just when I think that Western women couldn’t make themselves more repulsive to men, they show me how I was wrong.

    1. Just imagine if you could send their parents links to the profiles. They would be so proud…

  86. I noticed about a year ago that these young girls were working a lot of money out of these guys on various SM platforms. I concur with your last paragraph. No way I’d settle for an American woman if I were back in my twenties.

    1. What bothers me is that this is just the beginning. What else will we see next?
      Some really crazy stuff, I’m sure. Anything is possible when you can get away with it like these women do.

  87. Fuck outta here
    I wish I would pay a broad 5 dollars for a phone number or picture
    Pussy is out there and when that is not around, Porn is available and my own memory of past shit is in the brain
    These chicks are getting bold Lol
    And you know what, its our fault for allowing them to think this shit can fly. Or, more so dudes that can’t get any and will pay for this because they want just a taste of the real thing. Just even a taste will satisfy them
    What a crazy time we live in. Crazy and unique
    https://fakephilosophy.com/
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/38748134569fd1359726ef302732a505d872006ee458d9e903d97245325a1201.jpg

  88. I’d pay to talk, but I want real intellectual discourse.
    They gotta agree to any subject matter of my choosing, and must accept that a single objective truth exists, and the purpose of our discourse is in the pursuit of Truth.
    If they cannot make any logical argument to refute anything I stated, then they can choose to pass to my next subject, but this automatically acknowledges I wasn’t proven incorrect.
    There will be no, “agree to disagree”, and likewise no “true for me” style post-modernist lines.
    I’d gladly pay, but then we’re doing this for real. No pats on the head, they’re going to let me teach them something.
    Yea… so far I’ve got no takers. I’ve already tried asking a few different girls that put up that offer. They want money to talk, but then they have no intention of talking.

  89. If a woman wants me to listen to her for the rest of her life she better put a ring on it.

  90. Yes, these women have no shame. Never, ever settle down with a woman like this unless you enjoy pain.
    But Tinder didn’t create their bad character — Tinder just reveals it. We should thank Tinder for that.
    As for men who pay women for attention, hey they’re big boys. When the women just use them it will lead some to the red pill. That’s a good thing.

  91. Scam or be scammed…..hmmm, that reminds me of certain (((people)))

  93. The most infuriating part is the fact that no woman is worthy of any man. They should be paying us for our attention. That tweet screen shot is of some worthless skank that even a beta male has more value than. I’m not going to go to the route of “blame yourselves for this”. No f that, bottom feeding cunt sluts who aren’t worth the shit of a low value male much less of a high value male, are the ones at fault. The only initial blame can be laid at the elites and their trickle down social engineering programming that led to this.
    Btw, I matched with several of these sluts on tinder (the social media linked/non bot ones) and ended up having conversations with them. Tried to find out more about this scam. Even scolded them for their whoring behavior.

  94. I cringe every time I see one of those cosplayer girls state “prints are available” lol. That anyone would pay for pictures of girls in cosplay………..

    1. That’s like paying for porn… It’s practically impossible to not find free product.

  95. And the American military/police are still propping this culture up via the barrel of a gun…still feeling patriotic my fellow Zogbots?

  96. If you got a smart mouth it is sometimes funny to talk nonsense sometimes. But women do seem to incessantly talk about something because they’re uncomfortable with silence which stems from their severe insecurity of their looks. The longer you’re in silence the more you begin to see physical appearances and since childhood women are conditioned to keep the noise going to distract you from that mole on their chin it’s partially self defense.
    Anyway this sounds like those fake camgirls on porn sites that fake their address being close to you to try and make you pay for a membership so you can talk with them and maybe jack off. Many of it being viruses. Look at that you even need protection in cyberspace to interact with sluts. Anyway there is better way to monetize their sexuality like a video of a sleeping pretty girl can work wonders

    1. Feminists don’t use defenses, unless it’s redirecting blame on men or just avoiding answering the subject directly.

  99. How awesome! Why hasn’t anyone though of this before? Create a fake profile with hot girl pics and milk the beta males all day 😉!

  100. Hey Brock, haven’t talked to you since the Atlanta meet-up & get together. Interesting stuff. I had heard about this too, and did indeed see the “Send me $5 and see what happens” in several Tinder profiles already!
    “the best solution might be to head for the greener pastures of developing countries where the epidemic has yet to spread.”
    My thoughts exactly. And my plans exactly. I’ve had enough.

  101. Man….I predict twenty years from now, 70% of the women in their 20’s now will either still be single or divorced with or without kids. We have trained these women into entitled whores. Things won’t be pretty by then….these women will ask for more money from the government and complain even more…..

    1. No sympathy for them whatsoever. Anyone who gets life on easy mode and still can’t get their shit together I’ll simply chuckle at when the consequences come as they age.
      Women don’t see to be able to comprehend that their choices now decide their future later. Then again, have they ever thought in terms of long-term?
      Those women who are pampered and entitled make short-term decisions that take them down a road which will one day be very miserable and lonely, while the few who were taught/raised better and decided to behave better will likely have a more secure, happy life.

  102. Q: What’s the difference between a modern woman and a prostitute?
    A: A prostitute is actually expected to deliver.

  103. Is it true that there men so stupid so thirsty and so starved of sex, that they will pay just to talk to some slit? Really? They won’t go see a prossie an get their end away at a fixed and agreed cost? They would rather talk to a Tinder twat and waste their time talking to them?
    Let them do so! No fucks given here.
    Any man stupid enough to fall for this shell game should have their wallets emptied and their balls bursting at the same time. I cannot believe the level of stupid western males have descended into. Or maybe I had to high an estimation of their intellegence to begin with. Whoring has been around for centuries. the fact that contemporary western males are unaware of their ability to access gash at a fixed price amazes and astounds.
    Next they will be voting for female politicians and teling men from other parts of the world how fucking smart western women are.

  104. …or you can delete all those dating apps and avoid the attention whores you don’t know personally and start meeting girls face to face. Women are starving for real bold masculine contact.

  105. If they pull it off, then why wouldn’t they? Everyone wants easy money.

  106. At least in a strip club, you pay that kind of money and see live T and A and not a digital photo.

  107. A foolish man and his money are soon parted. All we can hope for is that this latest wealth extraction scheme will prompt even more men to swallow the red pill in the future. The future of gender relations in the west is bleak indeed…..

  108. I take great comfort knowing that these charlatans and malignant narcissists are bound, by virtue of their adherence to grotesque falsehoods, to eventually be subjected to the Law of Unintended Consequences. And boy are these bitches in for one hell of a rude awakening when their damnable lies and denial of reality dooms them to abject failure and misery. Enjoy years of monotonous fungible drudgery that will end with the inevitable – being stuffed unceremonioisly under a burka!!

  109. Those chicks in those pics are lame. Lacie’s legs are too short to her torso.
    Amanda looks like a skinny-flabby skank. Cora looks like a tranny.
    Brandi has shit hair and a make-up hidden tart face. Virginia suffers from man-chin.

  110. “… the best solution might be to head for the greener pastures of developing countries where the epidemic has yet to spread.”
    I hate to break it to the author but that berg was calved from the glacier back in the 90’s. East European dating sites are rampant with profiles of lovely young ladies yet the replies come from some dude named Boris. Same with Far East sites as well. Caveat Emptor.

  112. Guys if you want to pay go to backpage. I would be more ashamed of paying a girl to chat, than buying a hooker. Hell I’m a very interesting guy, they get the best end of my chatting with them. Unless they are exceptional. Now if they don’t want to have sex with me, I get that, I’m not young. I am surprised there are good looking woman who do want to have sex with me. Thank God woman have bad eyes

  113. This is fucking disgusting. I know all women are whores but this is a new low

  114. But women are the victims…🙄
    Here is one occasion where I’m glad to be too old for this shit.

  115. Ha! Good luck with that crap ladies. You are just making it that much harder for other women and leaving electronic proof of what whores you really are.

  116. maybe this is just the sperg/sociopath side of me but why would you pay for anything except sex? It’s self-evident. It’s like paying the fuckin cashier to take your money.

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