Black Propaganda In Feminism: Part III

While watching the blow up of the #endfathersday hash tag on twitter, I noticed one twitter user referenced on the news was one I was familiar with.


“Naynay” is a sock puppet used by “Bavarian” in his various black propaganda campaigns against online feminists. I have written about some of them previously here and here. After reading other articles about him and his operation, I decided to go straight to the source. I interviewed him on Skype. Here it is:

Douglas: What are the motivations and goals of your group?

Bavarian: (1) We wanted the world to wake up to what deception is and how it’s used to control us; and (2) we wanted to humiliate the most bigoted, hateful, sexist, racists on the planet.My personal motivation is the forced resignation of Lawrence Summers. Are you familiar with that?

Douglas: Not quite

Bavarian: I should clarify: I was upset about his forced resignation.

Douglas: Lawrence Summers, the former president of Harvard University?

Bavarian: Yes.He was forced to resign for proposing a theory about why women weren’t represented in certain fields. I saw this as an attack on free speech, and at Harvard of all places.

Douglas: Why did you choose to utilize such a subversive method?

Bavarian: Because it works.

Douglas: How effective was it with #endfathersday?

Bavarian: Everything happened according to plan. We agitated them until they finally caught on, then our deep sleepers led the purge.

Douglas: Led the purge?

Bavarian: Our deep sleepers were waiting for us to get caught to start accusing real accounts of being Lollipop Operatives.

Douglas: So you are literally involved with ferreting out feminist sock puppets?

Bavarian: Not me, specifically. Our operatives are though.

Douglas: I noticed in some of the articles about “Operation Lollipop” that you are identified as an MRA (men’s rights activist) or PUA (pick up artist), are you either of those?

Bavarian: Absolutely not.

Douglas: Why would people try to label you as either then?

Bavarian: I don’t know. I want to save free speech, especially at institutions of higher learning. They can call me whatever they want. I learned in grade school to just ignore name calling.

Douglas: You seem like a very interesting man. Care to tell me anything about yourself?

Bavarian: What would you like to know?

Douglas: Who you are, your history and what you are about if you don’t mind.

Bavarian: Okay. I grew up in West Germany during the Cold War. From there I moved from place-to-place. I was always the new kid. I graduated college, then served 14 months in Iraq as a convoy escort. I saw children living in mud houses who were actually happy with their lot in life. Then I came back to America where I saw fat spoiled adults complaining about the slightest inconvenience. I desperately wanted to make a change. That’s all I’m comfortable giving out.

Douglas: Have you learned anything new or interesting from your various twitter operations?

Bavarian: I honestly believe that historians will look at what we did and conclude that we lived in an Orwellian society.

Douglas: Was the response from feminists and various media outlets expected or was there anything unexpected?

Bavarian: The worst they can do is name calling. We expected that. Kids used to say I had cooties back when I was in grade school. It really got to me back then. Now I just laugh at it.

Douglas: Do you plan on conducting similar operations in the future?

Bavarian: Several operations are ongoing. But I want people to wake up and realize that this sort of thing happens to them all the time.

Douglas: Do you think your opponents will be able to effectively counter your methods?

Bavarian: I’m not sure. The only reason this operation was so successful is because white women who claim to be feminists are legitimately racist. They only care about advancing their own careers. They couldn’t care less about women in other countries.

Douglas: Is there anyone you would like to give a shout out or thanks to?

Bavarian: History is full of men and women who were tortured and killed for merely proposing a scientific theory that turned out to be true. I’d like to thank them. And like I said, what happened to Lawrence Sumers gave me the motivation to strike back. I love Harvard and I would like to see it return to the bastion of free speech that it once was.

Douglas: Any final thoughts?

Bavarian: George Orwell and Aldous Huxley warned us of what would happen to society. We’ve come to the point where we are attacked for our gender by being called sexist, and we are attacked for our race by being called racist. The irony is too much. I encourage everyone to speak the truth, especially tenured academics.

Douglas: Thank You for your time Bavarian, I look forward to your future projects.

Bavarian: Sure thing.

This concept of subversion done outside of a state actor is quite interesting. I look forward to seeing where it pops up next.

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51 thoughts on “Black Propaganda In Feminism: Part III”

  1. Bavarian is MRA, PUA, MGTOW, libertarian, etc, even if he doesn’t acknowledge it.
    The Jessica Valentis of the world lack the self-control and self-acceptance to be silent in the face of criticism. They have to lash out because the truth hurts.
    We never need to respond to ad hominems, name-calling, or other irrelevant slings and arrows. Sometimes silence is the best response…along with the subversive, plausibly deniable brilliant maneuvers Bavarian carries out.

        1. The “Illuminati” doesn’t exist. That was invented by a charlatan who contacted some wealthy men asking for donations in exchange for including them in an “ancient society” he had made up. The German police was contacted and he was arrested. The media loved the thought of a secret society though and ran with it. Various writers have been using it ever since.
          However, there is a network, an establishment, in Hollywood and the media, which even media folks themselves have acknowledged. There are no secret meetings though, there are cocktail parties. A few years back a guy released excerpts from an email list where leftist reporters/journalists expressed themselves in hateful terms when discussing people they didn’t like. That’s a sign of an establishment. Not an order, but an establishment.

  2. This was a great contribution Douglas. The end father’s day hashtag is what turned a lot of people onto the true lunacy that is modern day feminism, and for you to track down the guy who organized it and interview him is impressive, original and shows you’re more than the average arm chair pua / philosopher that I see so often on this site.
    Great work

  3. Feminism is a disease, they make life unbearable and their beliefs are unsustainable. The backlash against their bullshit is gaining real steam and they do not even see it coming. Men not marrying, men not innovating, men dropping out of higher education and outright hostility to feminist behavior is just the beginning. Feminism is so corrupted they even alienate their supporters and attack each other in a twisted circle jerk to see who is the biggest victim. The recent economic numbers are supposedly good but they are a mirage the economy is shot to shit and America cannot prop up feminism and it’s bullshit much longer. The system is failing, and men are getting fed up…..

    1. Yup! Greece #2… America better get it’s shit together soon, which it will in my opinion.

    2. I think you’re on to something…however I suspect it will have to reach severe levels of dysfunction before it is understood by the average Joe Bob or before it affects the average Jane Smith, who know very little of what is actually going on in the world.
      If you look at how far things have to go before they are actually acknowledged by American media & the news, you’ll notice that things are already well past having changed before they give any attention to it.
      It would be the ultimate “come uppance” to have the average woman’s life impacted by a lack of available men to pine after them and to lose the princess crown so many of them are raised/led to believe they deserve.

      1. Theyre gonna be left with nothing but manginas.
        I’ve recently started dating international students and girls raised from more traditional cultures in my hometown (Toronto).
        The average north American raised girl doesn’t stand a chance in hell against these women. I forgot what it was like to be with a girl who isn’t fuckig afraid of everything and has at least some standards for herself.

        1. In between the increasing number of less-than-masculine men, women with personality/mental issues, flaky women, and more, things aren’t looking up at all.
          I think wholesome, warm, marriage-worthy women will become more and more in demand (and will get rings pretty quickly), assuming there are men left with enough sense to go after them.
          I still find it depressing to think about how society will be in the future. Its not looking so good…

  4. I would say feminists are subverters, although they may not be aware of it. I would say this Black propaganda is a counter-subversion, although some of the members think its for the lulz, it goes further than that.
    I wrote a piece about collapse by subversion but I am currently writing a ROK article dedicated to the History and methodology of subversion.

    1. You know, if you could come up with some positive forms of subversion, useable by the independents and ‘concerned men’ that frequent the site, it could become a groundbreaking article.
      Similar to AVFM’s ‘urinal stickers’ idea… those things are still popping up everywhere, even if they aren’t tied to AVFM.

      1. Awareness of subversion usually leads to a better society that thinks independently and not along the lines of propaganda and advertisement.
        I am writing the article to make readers aware of subversion not to teach it

  5. The Lawrence Summers episode was appalling, but there was nothing exceptional about it, except perhaps his stature. Episodes like that are how feminism advances. It was inevitable that the person who succeeded him would be a woman, just as it was inevitable that the person who succeeded DSK at the IMF would be a woman. Cry sexism, get a job.
    As for male academics generally, they’ve learned helplessness in the form of discovering the rewards of compliance (especially if they actually lead the attacks against ‘sexism’) and far more the cautionary lesson of what happens to even the most powerful men when they step out of line – how many academics secretly agreed with Summers but decided there and then never to risk speaking their mind for risk of suffering the same fate
    We need some academic heavyweights who are prepared if necessary to go down as martyrs to their integrity, but all of them are too scared, indoctrinated, or feel they have too much to lose.

    1. One of two things will happen; either 1 – genius academics will focus less on the historical pedigree of a school, and more on its current relation to “truth”, thus forming a new class of elite perhaps private schools, or 2 – genius academics will go to work in the economy either building/supporting new energy firms or perhaps creating the market through various institutions and banks, or perhaps they’ll become entrepreneurs. If they take the second option, schools will everywhere will lose their former prestige and fall like dominoes as education more and more comes to take place on the job either informally or formally through various training programs. The evil corporation google is already leading the way here by scouting talent straight out of highschool..

      1. schools / universities should always have to demonstrate their relevance, including their economic relevance, and the private sector, if its genuinely free may well be in a position to ‘correct’ some of the damage that is being done, although at present I don’t see any evidence of that. I would hope that at some point academics / thinkers of influence, seeing how their speech and integrity is being compromised will take a stand. To do something like this has a tradition. It is called dissidence. Academics in countries where free speech or human rights are absent or constrained (e.g. china) have always had their dissidents. At present though there is the pretence that this society and its education system is free, which is not the case. Before we can have dissident academics, thinkers etc, there has to be a recognition of what is going on. The snowdens’ and Assange’s of this world are probably the models for action we need

    2. I wonder when will some high ranked male (CEO, dean, politician) actually take a stand when attacked and actually NOT RESIGN/NOT APOLOGIZE???

      1. This is indeed critical. At present there is only appeasement, which simply perpetuates or aggravates the situation. I don’t understand why someone like Brendan Eich for instance can’t make a stand – what more has he got to lose?

  6. I have great respect for Bavarian and his ideals and what happened or Larry Summers was wrong when he was at Harvard. However, Summers should be in jail (at least) for his efforts overturning the Glass Steagall act which has done much to usher in our current era of corruption.

  7. Google ”Crazy
    feminist quotes”, it’s a real eye opener. Here are some examples:
    ”If you think you are emancipated, you might consider the idea of tasting your
    menstrual blood. If it makes you sick, you’ve a long way to go, baby.”
    — Germaine Greer, Marxist, lecturer at the University of Sydney,
    lecturer at the University of Cambridge, columnist at The Sunday Times

    ”Women’s liberation, if it abolishes the patriarchal family, will abolish a
    necessary substructure of the authoritarian state, and once that withers away
    Marx will have come true willy-nilly, so let’s get on with it.”
    — Germaine Greer
    ”The nuclear family must be destroyed… Whatever its ultimate meaning, the
    break-up of families now is an objectively revolutionary process.”
    — Linda Gordon, Professor of the Humanities at New York University,
    appointed to the National Advisory Council on Violence Against Women during the
    Clinton administration

    ”All sex, even consensual sex between a married couple, is an act of violence
    perpetrated against a woman.”
    — Catharine MacKinnon, Marxist, professor of law at the University of

    ”All men are rapists and that’s all they are”
    — Marilyn French, advisor to Al Gore’s presidential campaign,
    assistant professor of English at the College of the Holy Cross in

    ”Marriage as an institution developed from rape as a practice.”
    — Andrea Dworkin, feminist author, homosexual activist, former

    ”When a woman reaches orgasm with a man she is only collaborating with the
    patriarchal system, eroticizing her own oppression…”
    — Sheila Jeffreys, homosexual activist, professor of political
    science at the University of Melbourne, Australia

    ”It is not only men convicted of rape who believe that the only thing they did
    that was different from what men do all the time is get caught.”
    — Catharine A. MacKinnon, Toward a Feminist Theory of the State,
    1989, First Harvard University Press (a legal treatise comparing feminism with
    socialism and communism)

    ”The institution of sexual intercourse is anti-feminist”
    — Ti-Grace Atkinson, homosexual scholar and advocate of ”political lesbianism”,
    early member of NOW

    ”[Acquaintance rape] is more common than left-handedness, alcoholism and heart
    — Naomi Wolf, Rhodes Scholar at Oxford, on Bill Clinton’s re-election
    team, campaign advisor to Al Gore; quote from The Beauty Myth (in the attempt
    to build a case that ”one in four” women have been raped in America)

    ”[R]ape represents an extreme behavior, but one that is on a continuum with
    normal male behavior within the culture.”
    — Mary Koss, psychology professor at Kent State University, 1982
    ”Men who are unjustly accused of rape can sometimes gain from the experience.”
    — Catherine Comins, Vassar College Assistant Dean of Student Life,
    quoted in Time, 1991

    ”I feel that ‘man-hating’ is an honorable and viable political act, that the
    oppressed have a right to class-hatred against the class that is oppressing
    — Robin Morgan, Marxist, editor of MS Magazine
    ”Female heterosexuality is not a biological drive or an individual women’s
    erotic attraction or attachment to another human animal which happens to be
    male. Female heterosexuality is a set of social institutions and practices… Those
    definitions… are about the oppression and exploitation of women.”
    — Marilyn Frye, homosexual activist, quote from Willful Virgin:
    Essays in Feminism, 1976-1992

    ”Heterosexuality is a die-hard custom through which male-supremacist
    institutions insure their own perpetuity and control over us. Women are kept,
    maintained and contained through terror, violence, and the spray of sperm… [Lesbianism
    is] an ideological, political and philosophical means of liberation of all
    women from heterosexual tyranny…”
    — Cheryl Clarke, highly prominent homosexual activist, on the
    graduate faculty of the Rutgers University Department of Women and Gender
    Studies, quote from Lesbianism, An Act of Resistance

    ”Life in this society being, at best, an utter bore and no aspect of society
    being at all relevant to women, there remains to civic-minded, responsible,
    thrill-seeking females only to overthrow the government, eliminate the money
    system, institute complete automation, and destroy the male sex.”
    — Valerie Solanas, feminist writer, SCUM founder (Society for Cutting
    Up Men), homosexual, Marxist, would-be murderer of Andy Warhol

    ”Since marriage constitutes slavery for women, it is clear that the women’s
    movement must concentrate on attacking this institution. Freedom for women
    cannot be won without the abolition of marriage.”
    — Sheila Cronin, homosexual activist, leader of the feminist
    organization NOW

    ”Rape is nothing more or less than a conscious process of intimidation by which
    all men keep all women in a state of fear.”
    — Susan Brownmiller, newswriter at ABC, published in The New York
    Times, Vogue, The Nation etc, quote from Against Our Will: Men, Women and Rape

    ”Ninety-five percent of women’s experiences are about being a victim. Or about
    being an underdog, or having to survive… women didn’t go to Vietnam and blow things up. They are not
    — Jodie Foster, actress, homosexual, quoted in The New York Times

    ”And if the professional rapist is to be separated from the average dominant
    heterosexual (male), it may be mainly a quantitative difference.”
    — Susan Griffin, homosexual activist, Emmy Award winner, quote from
    Rape: The All-American Crime

    ”If life is to survive on this planet, there must be a decontamination of the
    Earth. I think this will be accompanied by an evolutionary process that will
    result in a drastic reduction of the population of males.”
    –Mary Daly, homosexual activist, professor at Boston College where she refused to admit male
    students to her classes

    ”Being a housewife is an illegitimate profession… The choice to serve and be
    protected and plan towards being a family-maker is a choice that shouldn’t be. The
    heart of radical feminism is to change that.”
    — Vivian Gornick, feminist author, University of Illinois, The Daily
    Illini, 1981

    ”I believe that women have a capacity for understanding and compassion which
    man structurally does not have, does not have it because he cannot have it. He’s
    just incapable of it.”
    — Barbara Jordan, homosexual, congresswoman, adjunct professor at University of Texas
    ”Men’s sexuality is mean and violent, and men so powerful that they can reach WITHIN
    women to fvck/construct us from the inside out. Satan-like, men possess women,
    making their wicked fantasies and desires women’s own. A woman who has sex with
    a man, therefore, does so against her will, even if she does not feel forced.”
    — Judith Levine, columnist, ACLU member, quote from My Enemy, My Love
    ”I was, in reality, bred by my parents as my father’s concubine … What we
    take for granted as the stability of family life may well depend on the sexual
    slavery of our children. What’s more, this is a cynical arrangement our
    institutions have colluded to conceal.”.
    — Sylvia Fraser, Canadian journalist, served on the Arts Advisory
    Panel to the Canada Council for the Arts

    ”If the classroom situation is very heteropatriarchal – a large beginning class
    of 50 to 60 students, say, with few feminist students – I am likely to define
    my task as largely one of recruitment … of persuading students that women are
    — Professor Joyce Trebilcot of Washington University
    ”Overthrowing capitalism is too small for us. We must overthrow the whole …
    — Gloria Steinem, columnist for the magazine New York, editor of MS magazine

    1. Most of these women have also said things that are anti-racist too. Feminism/Anti-racism use the same language and are two sides of the same coin.

    2. I’d never heard the quote from jodie foster, who always gets positive press as a great actress and someone who keeps her private life to herself (until recently). There something slightly disturbing about her history though. Brought up by a man-hating mother who turned gay at the same time as she started vilifying her former husband, nearly every role she’s taken since childhood (or at least since that guy who tried to assassinate reagan) has been that of victim or put-upon female fighting valiantly against male attackers / oppressors. She doesn’t just act in these films. She chooses them. I’m sure she’s a good mother in her own way, but I would be concerned about the influence she’s having on her sons. How can she provide them with a positive male influence… Mel Gibson popping round for dinner aside

    3. Feminists say, “You sexists always quote some fringe feminist. Feminism is about equality!” Note the bio of these creatures. They are not fringe. Professors, writers, NOW management – movement leaders. Andrea Dworkin, Gloria Steinem and Naomi Wolf were some of the founders of feminism, together with Margaret Mead, Betty Friedan, Susan Sonntag.
      Note also how many of these are homosexuals – 9 out of 26, so 34
      percent. When only about one percent of women are homosexual.
      Feminist orgs always have homosexual board members, they are a
      driving force behind this.
      I have seen these kind of quotes in papers that are handed out in “gender studies”. Feminists hope to keep them secret. The media cover for them. These papers discuss “whether the oppressed gender should wage guerrilla war against the oppressors,” and only save “a few for reproduction.” It’s mental masturbation feminist-style.

    4. If looking at the most radical quotes makes you pump your first in support of this site more easily, then have at it. But personally(and from my experience with other feminists) I don’t hate men or traditional family structures. Personally the idea of getting married and having kids has always turned me off a bit, so I’d rather follow my gut and not rely on that for fulfillment. However I hold no qualms or criticisms of women who choose to become housewives/stay-at-home mothers out of personal desire. Whatever your gender, I don’t think the path to happiness is following a life dictated by others(in this case, traditionalists and writers/avid members of this site). BTW, I was raised by a mom and two straight dads(one divorced), all three of whom are conservative Republicans =P Interesting, no?

  8. Anyone who has just found out about this story or has been following it should make an effort to heed the “big picture”, which Bavarian hinted at throughout his interview. Even the timing – story published on 4 July – is yet another (unintentional?) hint. Even if it’s only on a micro scale, Bavarian is one of the few people I’ve seen trying to score one for liberty. Many people claim to be discontent with how things are, but are content to gripe, play the know-it-all, seek refuge in one or another utopian fantasy, or settle for narcissistic victories. Because doing something effective requires too much honesty and too much effort. Too bad for them. Because Bavarian’s success should show to such people that free speech and liberty are worth making an effort for. It harkens back to the wisdom of history in an era of historical amnesia.

  9. Haha. I mentioned NayNay Thompson on the forum. Genius. “Nay Nay can’t stop! Nay nay won’t stop!”

  10. “Bavarian” might enjoy this book :
    Die Alpha-Frau und die Liebe: Wie starke Frauen ihren Partner finden
    Die moderne Frau – ambitioniert, selbstsicher und engagiert – muss ihr
    Licht nicht unter den Scheffel stellen, um auch Glück in der Liebe zu
    haben. Im Gegenteil: Nur wer sich selbst treu bleibt, hat realistische
    Chancen, den Mann fürs Leben zu finden. Sonya Rhodes zeigt, wie starke
    Frauen Alpha-Männchen aussortieren und mit dem richtigen Partner eine
    Beziehung auf Augenhöhe führen können.

  11. Subversion is a good tactic.
    This can be done in many ways. My personal choice is to starve the feminist state of my money at every legal opportunity.

  12. Is it just me or has this thread been severely gutted of comments since it started? Is this whole thing a false flag to filter out infiltrators? Just curious is all

  13. LMAO… NayNay Thompson
    #fuckcisgender had my rolling
    Bavarian deserves to be inducted into some type of Hall of Fame for his work

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