There are times in history when a man of humble birth rises to the occasion when his nation is in mortal danger. Mustafa Kemal Atatürk was one of them.
A very brief historical background
The Battle of Lepanto demonstrated that the Ottomans were not unstoppable
During the 16th Century, Europe was awakening from its long medieval slumber. However, the Ottoman Turks also were on the rise. They expanded their territory in the Balkans, overrunning the region entirely. They made inroads into Eastern Europe, and even threatened Central Europe. If Vienna hadn’t held out, the region would’ve been in grave peril. They further expanded elsewhere, taking over North Africa, making further gains in significant parts of the Middle East, and building a powerful navy.
However, after the death of Suleiman the Magnificent, the Turks were bereft of effective leadership for centuries. Succeeding sultans typically were either embarrassingly incompetent or hopelessly decadent. Like so many empires, they coasted along for a good while on initial successes, but became stagnant. Eventually they slipped into a period of decay and corruption. Sounds familiar?
The Ottoman Empire began to crumble, eventually becoming the “Sick Man of Europe”. Nationalist sentiment was on the rise, and revolts occurred in the Balkans. Further, the Ottomans began to lose their grip on North Africa. Russia was ascending, assuming control of territory on their side of the Black Sea and aiding independence in the Balkans.
By the early 20th Century, they had lost nearly all their holdings in Europe, and much of their gains elsewhere were lost. They were rocked by political instability. Their far-flung empire—one of the largest the world had seen—was in deep decline. Turkey itself was very multicultural, and without a strong government to suppress by force the inevitable tensions, fissures in their core homeland became evident.
Following the outcome of WWI, the Ottoman Empire’s extraterritorial holdings were eliminated, mostly to be incorporated into the British and French empires. Further than that, the Treaty of Sèvres would’ve formalized foreign occupation zones deep into their homeland. The treaty never got ratified, because the British went one step further and took over their government.
For the Turks, surely all this was a profound humiliation. It was much like the victors had done to Germany, but worse. The only good news for the Turks was that they were spared a Versailles Treaty style shakedown that devastated the German economy.
Note that it’s not my intention to whitewash the past. (Neither am I going to delve into current events.) Any major country has its share of dirty laundry, and Turkey’s history certainly had its gruesome moments, to say the least. The point is that their nation’s heartland was about to be dismembered; the Turks had every right to resist, just as we must preserve our own nations.
Mustafa Kemal Atatürk’s military career
They came loaded for bear, but resistance was fiercer than expected
The “War to End All Wars” was a great catastrophe setting the stage for the “War to Make the World Safe For Democracy”, which in turn led to the Cold War. This was further the beginning of the (thus far) decline of the West. On the Turkish front, the British sought to clear a shipping lane to their Russian allies through the Dardanelles and eventually to the Black Sea. Winston Churchill, then a naval commander, proposed to take the straits with battleships and ground troops. Overconfidence (a bad habit of his) led him to believe the “Sick Man of Europe” could offer little resistance.
The following campaign became the Battle of Gallipoli. The Turkish commander who repelled the British invasion was none other than Mustafa Kemal. Losses were heavy on both sides, particularly devastating for Australian forces. As the Anzac Cove memorial touchingly declares:
Those heroes that shed their blood and lost their lives…
You are now lying in the soil of a friendly country. Therefore rest in peace. There is no difference between the Johnnies and the Mehmets to us where they lie side by side here in this country of ours…
You, the mothers, who sent their sons from faraway countries wipe away your tears; your sons are now lying in our bosom and are in peace, after having lost their lives on this land they have become our sons as well.
Ataturk, 1934
The British also carried out a campaign in the Ottoman Empire’s remaining Middle Eastern holdings, during which an actual Battle of Armageddon (Megiddo) took place. With great effort, Mustafa Kemal got a handle on the chaotic situation and stopped the British advance at Aleppo.
After the war, foreign troops occupied Istanbul. The victors, poised to divide Turkey, demanded disarmament. Following the Ottoman surrender, Mustafa Kemal became active in nationalist politics. He refused to disband the forces under his command, as ordered by the government at behest of the occupying British. Instead, he worked behind the scenes to encourage resistance.
When the British found out in 1920, they demanded his arrest. While on the run, he got a death warrant. Failure was not an option! This set in motion a chain of events leading to the British dissolving the Ottoman government.
Before long, Turkish resistance led to armed conflict, with Mustafa Kemal soon commanding the military. Fighting erupted on several fronts. Often it was quite gruesome on both sides, though not equaling the horrendous excesses during WWI. The Turks regained control of their homeland, and by October 1922, Turkey was at peace. Thenceforth the policy was reconciliation, not revenge.
Turkey reborn
Education was a major feature of the national renewal
Soon after, the provisional government abolished the Sultanate. The following January, Greece and Turkey agreed to a population transfer. Creating territorial integrity is the best way to alleviate smoldering tensions between diverse populations with long historical grievances. Later in 1923, the Republic of Turkey was born. Mustafa Kemal—who in 1934 was officially dubbed Atatürk, “Father of the Turks”—became its first President, serving until his death in 1938. The 1920s and 1930s were a tumultuous time of grim struggle and energizing rebirth throughout many nations, and Turkey was one of them.
Atatürk steered a strongly secular course. (It’s hard to say how deeply he felt religion; he kept his personal views to himself.) He soon abolished the Caliphate, banned religious garb, and mandated the Turkish language Quran. He banned polygamy and instituted women’s rights—not the crazy feminism we have here, of course, but simply equality under the law.
Other than that, he looked to Western success for inspiration to modernize Turkey. He abolished Sharia law (as well as other religious codes) and instituted one legal system for all, borrowed from elements of European systems. He began standardizing the language and switched to a modified Roman alphabet. He reformed education as well, and did much to remedy the terrible illiteracy problem.
The Great Depression was devastating the world’s economy. On the economic front, Atatürk instituted a plan to pay down the national debt that Turkey had inherited. Agrarian land reforms were implemented, a national bank was established, industry was promoted, and the railroad network grew quickly.
Although not without controversy, Atatürk’s legacy is that of an enlightened reformer who recovered Turkey from a fate of near-oblivion, then bringing his nation out of despotic theocratic backwardness and moving forward into modern civilization. His economic legacy is that Turkey remains the most prosperous Middle Eastern country with the exception of Israel and oil-rich states in the Arabian Peninsula. Turks would do well to keep following his vision, and their labor will further develop their homeland’s economy. Other nations in the region would benefit from Atatürk’s example.
Conclusion
The Turks once were a great world power, but lost their empire that had fattened them on the spoils of conquest. The major problem was that the victors of WWI abrogated their national sovereignty, and their homeland where they were a majority was about to be divided up and reduced to obscurity. They didn’t submit to defeatism; they restored their nation.
As we can see, a course of decline leading to utter ruin can be reversed if the right actions are taken (obviously the sooner the better). With the people’s solidarity—and exceptional individuals—a nation can be reborn. Perhaps this story beginning a century ago may inspire us today.
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Historically significant article. We are in the cultural fight, but it isn’t lost by any means.
If we win before our society dies, we lead a Renaissance.
If we win after, we’re cultural fathers.
It won’t die. Outside of successful genocides, never have I seen a dead society. It ebbs and flows, morality is less common these days, but that also means it is in higher demand. A kid I know is serving a mission in Zimbabwe, rampant immorality. Girls are typically raped by 10, thievery is common. He writes about new baptisms every week. The people over there recognize their poor circumstances as being a result of their behavior, and want to change for the better. We are seeing that here with the rise of the tea party, the red pill movement, and NAWALT movement. Men and women alike are looking at the damage being done by liberalism and want better options.
If we “win” after “our society dies,” I don’t think we win at all. We become a remnant.
Sometimes, I think about monks in the Dark Ages, preserving the knowledge of the Greeks and Romans in a world of limitless barbarism and ignorance. They could not reap any rewards from their protection of the treasures of human knowledge in their lifetimes, instead passing these artistic, philosophical, literary, and historical cultural treasures to another generation of sentinel monks to safeguard it. They sent the wisdom of Antiquity into their future, based on no tangible benefit or gain– merely on the faith and hope that they were doing right. Like a fragile, lone candle light, they passed that protected wisdom from monk to monk for a millennium. The light so precarious, it would go out if only breathed on… but so brilliant that it pushed back the darkness of ignorance, even as a secret treasure, waiting for the right moment to be truly rekindled by people they could not know.
If we fail, that is what we become.
There never was such a thing as the “Dark Ages”. You’ve been misled.
https://infogalactic.com/info/Dark_Ages_(historiography)
Is it a coincidence that this great man is clearly of Caucasian roots ?
There’s massive blending throughout that area.
Just read smth about him in wikipedia. He was born in Selanik and his father is thought to have been of Albanian origin. If not, than probably Greek. In any case he is made in Balkans. He looks like he’s made of good European stock actually.
not a goatfucker so defo not albo!
He’d have been known as Rumelian then, correct?
Maybe.
yes…the Turks in general are a dog of a race and nation, and are now heading down the Islamic route…in fact they are already there
I could care less about the Turks. Just wanted to imply that the greatest man of their nation was actually an European.
The original Turks looked a lot similar to Mongols and other Easterners (Chinese, Japanese, etc.). Only through rape, conversions and mixing, they got the look they have now. Average Turk is a mixture of Mongol (very little percentage-wise), with Arab and Whites (either Slavic or Greek). And nowadays, unless they pull another bloody trick from their sleeve, they will become a minority, being outbred by the Kurds (other group of bloody bastards)….oh the irony of the destiny.
Turkic tribes in central Asia were already caucasian admixed.
Don’t confuse turkic tribes with mongols because they are very different things.
Yes modern turks are a mix of different people.
They look like they look because they are mainly turkified native anatolians, kurds, balkaners, Arabs etc explained also by genetics.
Not though rape but though assimilation and slavery.
Modern Greeks themselves are mixed people and are a mix of different ethnicities which populated the lands that are part of Greece today.
However there are millions of turks that descend from albanians and Muslim bosnians and slavic slaves.
Yeah right, because the Turkish warriors would always court their war-brides…
Regarding what the original Turks looked like,…granted we will never know for sure, however it’s pretty obvious that they didn’t look like Europeans or Mediterraneans. Since the people that remain on their original wherabouts look like this:
http://www.uighur.nl/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/uyghur.jpg
And one of their leaders who lead all the way from Central Asia looked like this:
http://www.metmuseum.org/toah/images/h2/h2_44.30.jpg
or like this:
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/c3/d3/be/c3d3be41a210a53773fbdaa1e04805f0.jpg
I guess you can draw your own conclusions…
They were a mix of mongoloid and Caucasian.
What I said is that turkic people and mongols are different nations and people and not related.
Read my comment again because we are not opposing each other
I understand, if that’s the case, I apologize for any misunderstanding. However it’s pretty obvious that back then they looked a lot more Mongolian than Caucasian. Ancient descriptions seem to confirm this:
The original Turks , the mongoloid ones, cucked themselves into extinction it seems. They left , however , a bad legacy behind. A misch masch of people unified under Islam at the gates of Europe.
I wouldn’t say they cucked themselves. They just intermarried heavily in a region where they were not majority.
That’s pretty much cucking themselves
In English “cuck” is someone who raises another man´s offspring believing they are his, being this offspring a product of his wife’s adultery…Which can also be extended somewhat logically, to people who seem to prefer the heritage of other cultures and other peoples at the expense of their own involving implicit or explicit treachery and/or cowardice. Just saying
A white man who marries a negress and has mulatto kids is a cuck in my eyes.
Since when taking the women of the vanquished is being a “cuck”? Sorry but this goes against everything in history…
If you take their women and keep them as sex slaves or servants , it is ok. If you marry them and have children , it is cucking your genes. Unless those women are of the same race of course , which was mostly the case through the history.
A particular way of looking at it…
Cucking left and right like they were in Ottocuck mode.
I have seen the faces of Eastern europe when I visited Instanbul.
Yes there are darkies and asiatic looking people absolutely, they are Turkic after all, but many of them are visibly Albanian/Serbian/Greek looking.
As I said before one thing is what they looked like 700 year before and what they look like know after centuries of raping, conversion and intermarriage when they weren’t the majority…Moreover Istanbul is not Turkey, hence Erdogan got elected…
The original Turks migrated out of what is most likely the Koreas in modern times.
Ataturk was probably albanian.
He was from balkans and not from caucasus.
You are truly an ignorant.
Read the definition of caucasian.
Wasn’t he a bummer?
Hmmmm…. I got nothing.
Genocidal slaughter and raping en masse of Christian Armenians, Assyrians and Pontic Greeks before illegally confiscating their homes, businesses and other wealth.
Taking Albanian Christian boys as slaves each year as part of the jizya (cizye in Turkish) and forcibly converting them to Islam to become janissaries to the Ottoman Empire.
Castrating African boys and enslaving them to serve as eunuchs in their harems.
Levying 100% or even 200% taxes (the Varlik Vergisi) on the remaining Armenians, etc., which payment was required as part of the cizye under pain of imprisonment and hard labor.
Let’s not elevate this savage history into something even remotely capable of being whitewashed….
Indeed.These fuckers turned the Balkans into a hellhole. My forefathers had to endure hell on Earth to remain Christians.
ha! turks fucking brought you albo goatfuckers to Europe
You are cute , you know ?
the turks invented goatfucking, which was almost an invention, good for them
fuck the turks and their remnants…
just here to tell the truth
in the name of Svarog!
Shut up breitbart
As it turns out, Muslims in the middle east one day came up with the brilliant idea to use goat intestines as a suitable condom. It wasn’t, however, until in 1827 when the British perfected the idea by taking the intestines out of the goat first.
Nah, we pretty much been there for quite a while before the Turks. As pagans to begin with, as Catholics later on, then as Orthodox Christians during yhe Byzantine empire. The muslim thingy happened by force or as a survival mechanism.
If Paul George became Paul Ahmed George, he paid less or no tax, his son wouldn’nt be taken away to fight for the Sultan god knows where etc. Extend that through 500 years and some scars will remain.
But we’re here still. Full of history and proud of our Main man Crusader George Castriota Scanderbeg.
And don’t worry, during these hard times we’re going through in Europe, we might produce another Scanderbeg.
You should pen an article on this.
It will be tough with my English skills , but I’ll try. You can expect smth on this matter sometime in the near future.
Get the knowledge out there! That is more important!
I would’t mind if you took over the task Varonos.
Hmm.. I took my time to answer. In general I got only a very general idea of what the Ottomans did in general to the conquered Christians so writing an article will take time. But also I would want a bit of your help to find sources on what happened to Orthodox Albanians under the Ottoman rule, precisely. If you can find some good articles on the internet that can be translated with goodle translate you can send them to me in my personal email: [email protected] , and then I will be able to start. The reason why I make this request, don’t worry I will commemorate you with your nick, is because that due to Albania’s islamisation it would provide an excellent illustration of what Christians and also whites would face against Islamic majorities, which would be more accessible to westerners, who make the bulk of the readers of RoK. Plus I cannot guarantee that the article will be publicized only that I will write it and that it will possible be posted on August or before September as in September I go to be recruited in the army, a 9-month military service is compulsory here.
Varonos you are a man of honour. I’m taking exams atm so I have no time right now , but I’ll start researching next mouth. We’ll keep in touch.
Thank you for your kind words!
OK take your time I will start my research too on Greece. I wish for a fruitful collaboration between us!
And they proved themselves men as worthy of honour as one could ever lavish.
Thank you.I’m not very proud that the majority of my people did fall under Islam , but the converts had a tough time too. It was a difficult choice to make under the sword washed in Christian blood and the heavy taxes. Anyway , the muslims have already done a Genocide on European soil. The struggles of our ancestors need to be renowned , in order to serve as a warning to the West , about what will happen once the muslims take over in numbers. This is one of those stories they don’t like to talk about nowadays.
Indeed. The Balkans and Central Europe know the Musulman and must be the catalysts of bringing this all to light in order to save Europe.
well you do talk a lot of sense for an albanian!
and i can tell you’re not a muzzy!
sure, thats why they were liked by the ottomans and the clintons…
Amen
Not really. The ottoman empire did not have force anyone to convert.
They Were Tolerant Especially To Orthodox People.
Catholic albanians had a bit of a problem because they were seen as the worse enemies of the empire considering that they honored a lot the glories of the Albanian- Ottoman wars and the legacies of Skanderbeg and Lek Dukagjini.
They were also seen as the long hand of the Hambsburgs.
However This Was just for a while and the Catholic albanians were always autonomous and had the right if self governance and religion.
“Not really. The ottoman empire did not have force anyone to convert.
They Were Tolerant Especially To Orthodox People.”
On a parallel universe.
The ottoman empire immediately recognised the Patriarchane of Constandinople and with the passing of time the other national churches also.
Besides the Orthodox Albanians ( including Skanderbeg) other orthodox people either did not fight the ottomans or surrendered easily.
For example Bulgaria was conquered in 1380 almost without war and serbs became vassals in 1390 and sent serbian women in ottoman harems where 6 sultans were born out of serbian womb.
These are simple cold facts.
The Turks were especially harsh on Albanian Orthodoxs compared to the rest , I’ll give you that.
Initially yes, the ottomans were harsh to Orthodox Albanians because they were the only ones to fight and they stopped the Ottomans to conquer Europe and humiliated 2 Sultans but with the passing of time Albanians became the backbone of the empire.
Albanians also cucked on their own Initiative the empire.
Powerful Albanian Lords such as Hail Patrona, Muahmed Ali of Egypt and Ali Pashe Tepelena come to mind.
Yeah, because forcing non-muslims to live like 5th class citizens at the mercy of their masters is so considerate and merciful…/sarcasm
Non Muslim payed taxes but they had the freedom of trade and religion.
And the freedom to be shot/tortured/pestered on a whim. You forgot that little part.
Ok dude. Live in your own imagination.
Whatever makes you happy.
Muslims and non-Muslims were unequal in courts and such , and Christians were second-hand cicitizens even post Jihad. These are facts.
Who needs imagination when historical records are available….
And, the Armenian genocide.
The Armenian Genocide.
The Armenian Genocide…
They were tolerant in the sense that they took 2 children from every Christian household, until they killed basically all of the Armenians.
Their kids were the taxes!
ok, mr. LIBERAL HISTORY BOOK
Mike, I’ve figured out that you aren’t ignorant of what happened. you simply don’t care.
“Mike” is probably shorthand for Mahmoud
sure they were…
is that why around 70% of albos are muzzies??
is that why you were being helped by the likes of clintons??
Skenderbeg was an albanised Serb
well, only the best blood deserves to be a sultan!
second, only southern parts of medieval Serbia (kosovo and macedonia) fell under ottomans in 14th century, the northern parts not until middle 16th century
and those are the facts
I’m not sure. I do believe however that the Turks pushed harder with the convertions in Albania than say Greece , where they gave up early. Maybe because Albanians were much fewer in numbers and it was easier. In school they taught us that we were once all Christians and that the convertion was forced. Think about it. If Albs were these Islamist nationalists and Turks’ lapdogs as you believe , why would our historians teach us such things ? Also they told us that to Albs religion wad never a big deal and national identity is what really mattered. You can think of them as crypto atheists during the Turkish rule. Even today the number of practising christians is higher than the number of practising muslims in Albania. Christianity is percepted as “cool” especially among young people , while Islam is despised. This is all I have to say on the matter.
agreed that religion isn’t that important in albania
also, don’t believe everything ‘your historians’ are teaching you…they’re brainwashing you for their nwo agenda
yeah I should believe that the Turks brought me to Europe from Asia or Africa
the greeks brought you in 15th century, the turks and austrohungarians helped your establishing as a nation in Europe
you should build them a monument next to already existing bill clinton monument in occupied Pristina…
you still have a lot to learn
you are a funny dude
Ah, yes, the “peaceful” conquest of Bulgaria.
https://tinyurl.com/y6u3ofrm
““On the other side of the way were the skeletons of two children lying side by side, partly covered with stones, and with frightful sabre cuts in their little skulls. The number of children killed in these massacres is something enormous. They were often spitted on bayonets, and we have several stories from eye-witnesses who saw little babes carried about the streets, both here and at Otluk-kui, on the point of bayonets. The reason is simple. When a Mahometan has killed a certain number of infidels, he is sure of Paradise, no matter what his sins may be. Mahomet probably intended that only armed men should count, but the ordinary Mussulman takes the precept in broader acceptation, and counts women and children as well. Here in Batak the Bashi-Bazouks, in order to swell the count, ripped open pregnant women, and killed the unborn infants. As we approached the middle of the town, bones, skeletons, and skulls became more numerous. There was not a house beneath the ruins of which we did not perceive human remains, and the street besides was strewn with them.”….”The schoolhouse, to, judge by the walls that are in part standing, was a fine large building, capable of accommodating two or three hundred children. Beneath the stones and rubbish that cover the floor to the height of several feet, are the bones and ashes of 200 women and children burnt alive between those four walls. Just beside the schoolhouse is a broad shallow pit. Here were buried a hundred bodies two weeks after the massacre.”…
…”“…On every side were human bones, skulls, ribs, and even complete skeletons,heads of girls still adorned with braids of long hair, bones of children, skeletons still encased in clothing. Here was a house the floor of which was white with the ashes and charred bones of thirty persons burned alive there. Here was the spot where the village notable Trandafil was spitted on a pike and then roasted, and where he is now buried; there was a foul hole full of decomposing bodies; here a mill dam filled with swollen corpses; here the school house, where 200 women and children had taken refuge there were burned alive, and here the church and churchyard, where fully a thousand half-decayed forms were still to be seen, filling the enclosure in a heap several feet high, arms, feet, and heads protruding from the stones which had vainly been thrown there to hide them, and poisoning all the air.”
Yes, all brainwashed and forcibly converted to Islam after being kidnapped by the Ottoman State. A very efficient and brutal system.
Thanks for the comment, Mehmet.
“is that why around 70% of albos are muzzies?”
Nominal muslims. Secular muslims. Vast majority of them do not care about religion and are fundamentally european in mentality and inclination.
500 years under a powerful empire will leave it’s scar but check this : from Kosovo to Macedonia, Montenegro, and Southern Italy (Calabria and Sicily where the albanian Arberesh live), pretty much wherever Albanians live, George Kastrioti Scanderbeg is the central historical hero of the albanians. That is very telling of where albanians far and wide stand on the issue.
Scanderbeg, national hero of the albanians, known, respected all over europe, declared Athletae Christi by the pope at the time, every major Western European country has a statue of him or a street named after him, his strategies studied till today, Vivaldi even wrote music about him – this guy, national hero of all of the albanians wherever they are.
So muzzies, meh, think whatever you want friend.
It is the other way around. I have visited Turkey and I van safely say that while there are darker, asiatic people there, Turkey is full of us Balkan janissaries. At least Instanbul where I was was full of european looking people. There’s an estimated 4 million albanians in Turkey, majority remained there in the time of the empire, some as a result of population shifts, and some are recent emigrès.
Same goes for other Balkan nations. Today’s Turkey, especially western Turkey is full of Eastern European blood.
Albanians have a great amount of respect about Austria nd Hungaria. Albania’s Scanderbeg and Hungary’s Janoš Hunyadi were two central figures in holding back Ottoman Empire expansion into Europe. Scanderbeg was crucial in halting the Turks back from the Vatican, that is when the Ottomans were at their leanest and meanest.
There is a monument of Austria in Albania, namely, the excellent relationship we mutually have with them.
About Greece. Since Socrates and Plato, Greece had forgotten itself. There were more mosques around the Acropolis by 1821 than they were in all the Arab nations. Christian Orthodox Albanians were the catalyst and the deciding factor in winning Greece’s independence against the Turks. Major figures in the Greek Independence in 1921 were Kolokotroni et al, look that up, get educated.
Scholars and historians all over Greece have already accepted that the Albanians have played an important role in the i dependence and identity of today’s Greece. Know what the fustanella is? Look that up too.
whats that got do with the fact that majority of albanians are muzzies and number of them are in isis too
dont be silly, Greeks hate the albos and want them out of their country, and you say they are grateful for them??
I said Albanians have great respect for Austrians and Hungarians and that feelinng is mutual for them as well. I said that Austria has played a great role in the Albanian independence in 1912.
Don’t read and reply to arguments while jay walking to your Starbux…you’ll miss the point.
It has got everything to do with it.
Understand who George Kastrioti Scanderbeg is and what it meant and still means to Western Europe today.
Your “muzzies” have embraced that man as their national hero far and wide. To the albanians, few other men are as unifying, strong, loved and respected as that figure.
Out of 10+ million Albanians in Balkans less than 100 piss poor fucktard ignorant no future cum stains have joined Isis? Shocker.
Nothings perfect friend. Russians, french even white anglo saxon western euro and american guys have joined Isis for a multitude of reasons – ignorance, money (ya they pay), a need for shiy disturbance, a cause, whatever.
Kosovo and Albanian govt’s have and are dealing with these elements pretty efficiently.
Don’t forget, no other nation has the religious harmony Albanians have amongst themselves.
”Albanians have great respect for Austrians and Hungarians”
thats probably cos they made a nation out of albanians
They made a country with defined borders. And borders do not a country make. Neither do they spawn a totally unique Indo european language.
You’re a fucking retard. Those animals murdered my ancestors for refusing to convert to Islam.
If I saw you in person I would rip your throat out.
Fuck you.
”To the albanians, few other men are as unifying, strong, loved and respected as that figure”
.the clintons perhaps….
hold the albanian propaganda…albanians were headcutting muzzies even before isis
that makes for grim reading
Whose heads were they cutting then? It can’t have been the Serbs for sure. They were being driven out of their lands in Kosovo by the Serbs who at the time had all the tanks and the cool toys. Hordes of poor kosovar albanian villagers,elders and kids were being pushed away,homes burnt, massacres left behind every path the Serbs went through.
And the Serbs ironically put a premium on small Catholic albanian villages in kosovo,just to wipe out any indication that there are Albanian Christians and that albos don’t have a problem with any religion.
No greek , macedonian or any other heads were cut by albanians that anyone knows of or has reported on.
Your Serb paramilitary guys however, oh yeah, those guys went on real nice picnics in Croatia,Bosnia,Kosovo even friggin Slovenia.
Woodrow Wilson to begin with. USA being one of the Great Powers did a lot for the formation of the Albanian state in 1912, hence the adoration and love for the States, whoever is in office.
they sure weren’t cutting peoples heads off like you ”christian” albanians…
They also went along with donating their children as taxes. One male and one female in every household, and they never saw them again.
The Serbs were guardians at the gates and the Bosnians eagerly surrendered and spread their ass cheeks for the Turks. So of course, we bombed the Serbs and gave Kosovo to Euro Akbar.
Sounds like USA bombing ME peasants
well , the ”bosniaks” as they call them now (not Bosnians) are basically an invented ”nation” made of islamised Serbs and partly Croats in Bosnia.
during yugoslavia that ‘ethnic group’ was actually just called ‘muslims’
kid you not!
It has only recently dawned on me that we were lied to about what the Serb action was really about. We were presented with the idea that there were ‘good’ muslims who were being terrorised by Serbian nasties, but I find I need to look again at the background to that whole affair, in light of the way Merkel and the globalists have been clearly trying to bring about an islamic takeover of Europe.
Was it king Stefan Dusan of the Serbs who prepared his vigin daughter and gave it to the Sultan as one of his baby makers?
Fuck the muslims for a second, but didn’t you Serbs massacred and got beef with the christian slovenians, and the Catholic Croatians?
it was a war, and don’t even get me started on croat ustashi
just google ustashi in wwii
yep, you basically fucked over the only nation that truly stands for the christian european identity there – the gatekeepers of europe since 1389.!
no, during his time turks were nowhere near europe
You speak with blind nationalist sentiment, when it’s historically evidenced that Turks endured the greatest calamities during all Balkan conflicts. Balkans were ruled by Turks for over 500 years, and before that, if you can trace your coat of arms to such extensive history, your great great ancestors probably moved to Balkans in the first place because of the Migration of the Clans, yet another Turkish movement. Turkish activity since 389 defines Balkan identity and culture. Learn your past before spreading hateful bile against a civilization you know nothing about.
You saved me a post.
Aren’t those darlings of the sjw’s “the Young Turks”, named after the perpetrators of the Armenian genocide?
Yes. And Ana Kasparian’s head explodes every time this fact is brought to her attention…
Bravo. My ancestors suffered under these animals for centuries and were driven from their ancestral homes right up until the early 1920s. I hate them with every fibre of my being.
you never hear peep about slavery in the Ottoman Empire- it was only ended around 1900, right?
Here in murika, we never ever ever ever here the end of it
More or less. And to even speak of such and the genocides will land you in jail for ‘insulting Turkishness’ or have you killed.
Slavery in the ottoman wad abolished in 1850.
more wikipedia nonsense?
An instruction of the Ministry of Internal Affairs to the Vali of
Bassora of 1897 ordered that the children of liberated slaves should be
issued separate certificates of liberation to avoid both being enslaved
themselves and separation from their parents. George Young, Second
Secretary of the British Embassy in Constantinople, wrote in his Corpus
of Ottoman Law, published in 1905, that by the time the book was written
the slave trade in the Empire was practiced only as contraband.[40] The trade continued up until World War I. Henry Morgenthau, Sr., who served as the U.S. Ambassador in Constantinople from 1913 until 1916, alleges in his Ambassador Morgenthau’s Story that there were gangs trading white slaves during his term in Constantinople.[41] The same author reports that Armenian girls were sold as slaves during the Armenian Genocide of 1915
It was a contraband and outlawed in the empire.
Sex slavery happens in mass now days in the west for example.
War time is wartime.
DUMBASS, the royal palace even had sex slaves to the bitter end
Just like rich people do today.
Go and do something with yourself for 30 dollars now.
Produce those examples.
You’re fucking sad having to upvote yourself because your inane ramblings garner no support as they are totally bereft of logic.
The sad fuck you’re answering to has to upvote themselves because their ramblings are totally false and/or void of fact. Don’t waste your energy.
=Massacre of Native/Red Indians
=Africans/Blacks being tortured and brought in as slaves
=Texas and California
=Hawaii
=Forced conversion
=Harboring and Sponsoring Terrorism
=Creating riots and Destroying Countries for Natural Resources
=Trying to act like Big Brother
Seems something very much similar ! as the saying goes; *** you reap what you sow *** !!
“Africans/Blacks being tortured and brought in as slaves”
That was like a blessing to them. Those were the lucky ones. Even as slaves in America they had a much better life then their relatives in Africa. Same goes for their descendants nowadays.
Also I got a book by a slave trader (Conneau’s “A slaver’s logbook or 20 years residence in Africa”) that still I have only partially read that did describe the fate of the blacks that did not get sold… spoiler alert they were toyed with in horific ways by their black captors ’till they died horribly and painfully.
THIS ! This truth needs to be shoved down the throats of the leftist cucks in the US.
The so called ” pontic greeks” were mostly orthodox rum or just orthodox Romans called by the ottomans.
Many were just ottoman orthodox citizens and had orthodox religion and spoke ottoman language like the Karamanlides. Half of them were like this.
They did not have any national conciseness.
Africans used to be castrated everywhere.
Armenians used to have access to all the trade routes of the empire.
Most of the albanians that will the passing of time became the backbone of the ottoman empire became so with their will and though career merit.
The jizza tax in balkans was ended in 1600 for example.
Most albanian prime ministers and governors and military leaders came after 1580 for example including the powerful Albanian Kopryly Dynasty or prime minister that ruled the ottoman empire from 1650 till 1711 and were the most powerful dynasty in the empire’s history after the ottomans themselves.
Some albanian prime ministers were even before that year such as Zagranoz Pasha who conquers Constandinople ( while at the same time Albanians under Skanderbeg were humiliating ottoman armies one after one and saving western Europe and Rome from the Ottoman invasion of Mehmet II).
What I mean is that the empire was based on meritocracy and some ethnicities were rulers and warriors, some were traders and some slaves , that is all.
“Albanian Kopryly Dynasty or prime minister that ruled the ottoman empire from 1650”
Correct.
The albanian Koprulu were powerful, however, they were a breath of fresh air compared to their main adversaries (opposition, political contendant – whatever you wanna call them) the Sheh-Ul Islam.
The latter being much closed minded, too religious and much brutal to their subjects and their policies and ideologies.
I was going to post all of this. Fuck the Turks, the Armenian genocide killed almost a million Christians.
I tip my hat to General Allenby and the British soldiers who conquered the Turks and retook Jerusalem.
I only wish we had that Great Britain in 2017. When Allenby marched into Jerusalem, he is believed to have said, ‘the Crusades are finally over.’
You should see what the Russians did for the Greeks. It blew my mind!
Armenians were people without Importance and they look exotic and even darker than average “turk”.
Most of the white nationalists would confuse Armenians with gypsies.
an ”average turk’ is a fucking mixed meat himself
Don’t forget the Ponts also… In General all Christians inside the new Turkish state had it really bad…
This system had not one redeeming quality. List a possible redeeming quality, and I’ll tell you how it wasn’t a part of Ottoman Empire.
Such taxes were not part of the Rashidun (Original) Caliphate, as well as many of the other things you described. Ataturk wasn’t good at all, he made things more liberal, he even criminalized the calling of the Adhan (Muslim call to prayer). I know of an old man whos teacher was jailed because he defied Ataturk’s law.
That is incorrect. They were implemented under Umar bin al-Khattab, the second caliph of the Rashidun Caliphate.
Sorry, I should have clarified. I meant that such high tax rate was not implemented. The tax rate varied under the Rashidun Caliphate, but was still very low. And it did not apply to women, disabled, elderly, etc.
turks mostly took and converted Serbian boys for janissaries, and some of them made it to the ottoman military and political elite…warrior blood is a warrior blood….not sure about albos though
Both Albanian and Serb boys were taken under the devşirme system.
You speak with no knowledge and are simply parroting black propaganda designed by power brokers who seek to hold influence in geo-strategic Middle East. Learn to think critically before trying to spread shameless political lies.
Thank you for your post, Talaat Pasha. Մենք ուրախ ենք, որ դուք մեռած եք.
Türk savaşçıları ve medeniyeti sonsuz kere dirilir bu dersleri iyi öğren kör cahil.
Turkish “civilization”? I think you are mistaken.
https://tinyurl.com/erdogancrimes “Civilization”, indeed!
Ataturk!Forgot to mention his origin as a Donmeh Man !
The Dönmeh were a group of crypto-Jews in the Ottoman Empire who
converted publicly to Islam, but were said to have retained their
beliefs. The movement was centred in Salonica.
Donmeh, a community numbering several thousand people who are descendants of the followers of the false messiah Shabtai Zvi.
Very well said.
Want to know about a true hero? Read about Charlemagne.
In the alternate history/conspiracy theory world some think Ataturk and the Young Turks represented the Donmeh.
(The Jewish heretic would-be messiah Sabbatai Zvi came to the Sultan expecting he would abdicate in his favor. Instead the Sultan forced him to convert to Islam. Some followers followed. These families are called the Donmeh, outwardly Muslim but secretly practicing their own religion. So it would indeed be very ironic if the Donmeh deposed the Sultan.
Some say the Donmeh are therefore secret Jews, but I would quibble, they are considered heretics.
I won’t endorse the following site I just discovered as I haven’t read it and it seems rather harsh and inflammatory, but looks like a great source of evidence for this theory. It’s a Muslim source actually.
http://www.atajew.com
)
“Some say the Donmeh are therefore secret Jews, but I would quibble, they are considered heretics.”
The donmeh are I think ex-communicant jews – there was one young Donmeh wrote a book about the issue and claimed he wanted to become a formal jew again but was turned down by the rabbinical authorities. Sabbatean elements though may well function on a level above ‘orthodox’ jewry, as there is a long tradition of heretical jewry with complex links to mainstream / orthodox jewry. although all of that is speculative.
The Donmeh are certainly not a conspiracy theory although the degree of their influence is certainly hugely controversial. It’s been said that the Donmeh are a whispered about secret in the near middle east and it is difficult to say how much of that relates to a reality beneath the surface and how much to the popular imagination, which in Turkey at least is sometimes fuelled by the populist government.
In Turkey Erdogan – who has sometimes himself been accused of being Donmeh – seemed to fuel the Donmeh conspiracy theories by asserting that there was a secret shadow government in Turkey running parallel to his own administration – this came about I think during the Ergenekon controversy last decade in relation to the Gulenist movement. It’s not clear whether Gulen is or isn’t Donmeh (although there is more than a suggestion that he is CIA sponsored) however as a socially “moderate” muslim he would seem to fit the bill.
What’s interesting is the situation in Turkey at the moment. The Donmeh do seem to have been an important group – perhaps the most important group – in Turkey, and probably the most influential in keeping Turkey secular. Are they still powerful now that the coup has failed and the Edrogan clamp-down has stifled the opposition? Moreover are they really in league with Sabbatean elements elsewhere?
Returning to the Young Turks I don’t know of any proof that Ataturk himself was Donmeh, but some of the Young Turks certainly were, and there influence was almost certainly significant, including perhaps with respect to effecting the end of the Ottoman Empire. This is murky territory where speculation abounds. I believe there is a core of reality here though.
Hi Mr. Mobius, I always just have to chime in about the Donmeh and we always have these discussions.
The idea of a secret religion interests me. Other than that guy who wrote the book it seems they are not allowed to say what they are. And yet it’s an open secret, they have their own graveyards and common surnames.
After he wrote the book he was rejected by religious authorities as a potential bastard. (there’s said to be an annual wife-swap on Zvi’s birthday). That’s interesting, he probably thought Jewish matrilinear inheritance would apply.
Yeah, I wasn’t very clear, the idea that Ataturk himself was Donmeh is considered conspiracy theory. The front page of the site I linked to has an article from impeccable Jewish sources saying that in a private conversation he claimed to actually be a descendant of Zvi.
The other big conspiracy theory is, of course you know, that Sabbateans use hidden political force to change the world to their liking, and not just the Young Turks. Jacob Frank, spiritual descent of Zvi, said “if we can’t all be good, let’s all be bad”; e.g. they want the whole world to become immoral.
“Yeah, I wasn’t very clear, the idea that Ataturk himself was Donmeh is considered conspiracy theory. The front page of the site I linked to has an article from impeccable Jewish sources saying that in a private conversation he claimed to actually be a descendant of Zvi.”
Well the site you linked to is a bit dodgy as you’ve acknowledged. In your last comment you wrote “I won’t endorse the following site I just discovered as I haven’t read it and it seems rather harsh and inflammatory, but looks like a great source of evidence for this theory. It’s a Muslim source actually”. Now that I’ve had a look at it that seems to sum it up pretty well, although I would be inclined to question whether as such it can be a great source of evidence for the theory in question
Actually I find myself wondering whether atajew.com site reflects the kind of conspiracy theory one finds in places like Turkey. The fact is once those sources are packaged in such a wrapper they are fairly easily dismissed because one knows that the individuals in question are taking such evidence as they can find in order to push a political line, in this case the idea that the young turks represented a coup (d’etat) not just against the ottoman sultanate but against islam itself. As a non-muslim that’s another issue as far as I’m concerned – turks will have to decide for themselves whether that’s the case. Having said that as far as I can tell the article linked to from the jewish Forward seems legitimate and though it doesn’t constitute proof it does provide evidence in the form of second hand testimony that Ataturk may have been some kind of crypto-jew, if not necessarily Donmeh, then possibly having a jewish father, who seems to have a concern that the young Mustafa should grow up with a secular outlook and some kind of a jewish education. There also appears to have been a 1973 book by a outspoken rabbi joachim prinz. This comment from liveleak alludes to this “…Prinz, maintains that Ataturk and his finance minister, Djavid Bey, were both committed Dönmeh and that they were in good company because “too many of the Young Turks in the newly formed revolutionary Cabinet prayed to Allah, but had their real prophet [Sabbatai Zevi, the Messiah of Smyrna].” https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=64a_1478778262&comments=1#SBTwLHkGZc4a8PuX.99
It’s certainly a theory that shouldn’t be readily dismissed, although it isn’t necessarily proven either. The atajew site also refers to him as a gay mason as well. I haven’t looked at this but it’s because of these types of allegation (which get thrown at pretty much everyone important) that one does have to be careful. It might be true, but the fact is people are all too ready to believe the worst / most scurrilous. and whether the worst / scurrilous is true or not is not always the issue. Certainly until we get people who are able to properly evaluate evidence then we should proceed cautiously.
Re. “the other big conspiracy theory….that Sabbateans use hidden political force to change the world to their liking, and not just the Young Turks” this is a matter than once again suffers from the same kind of issues: on the one hand an establishment, as well as a broader jewish public that feels uncomfortable about talking about such things (even where they are not sabbatean, or are even anti-sabbatean) and on the other hand conspiracy theorists who are often determined to understand it only in its crudest terms. The fact is we have some facts about sabbateanism, but relatively little that is verifiable beyond the 18th century. The Donmeh aside we don’t even know if it Sabbateanism exists in the way that it is described, i.e. in terms of a group of people who identify as followers of the jewish (false) messiah sabbatai tzvi. In a sense before we get to the matter of the issue of Frankism as a method and ideology for obtaining power and effecting revolution (or whatever) we need to understand what it means to be a sabbatean, and why as you say it may be the case that they are not even permitted to say what they are. If that is true that would be hugely interesting, but if so the question would also arise, why would they not be allowed to say what they are? Simply because they are masons, or conspirators (which we do not know to be the case necessarily) or for some deeper reason. The “if we can’t all be good, let’s all be bad” reasoning seems to relate to the conditions for the coming of the jewish messiah / age of redemption, but beyond that there is also the issue of what Scholem termed the sabbatean idea of ‘redemption through sin’. Why should sin be redemptive? Why should lying be a commandment?
I read something a while back which suggested that Gershom Scholem himself may have been a sabbatean, or at least have had strong sabbatean sympathies. If so what are we talking about? Does that mean Scholem was a jewish mason? I’ve never heard anyone suggesting that and have no reason to believe that was the case.
My feeling is that in the first instance Sabbateanism, should probably be considered in terms of the history of ideas (both jewish and gentile) as we know that, in a largely subterranean rather than overt way, it has influenced jewish movements such as the reform and conservative movements and beyond, and not all of that would necessarily have anything to do with secret societies / masonry etc. (although some of it almost certainly does – e.g. as indicated with Antelman).
To sum what concerns me is perhaps the readiness to assume and argue for conspiracy, and that concern would remain even where evidence of conspiracy exists. In fact I am inclined to believe that there may well be a kernel of truth to many of these claims, but most of the time when people try to interrogate this stuff all that we learn is how they themselves think and evaluate. Having said that if the young turk movement turned out to be largely sponsored by the Donmeh, it wouldn’t surprise me very much.
Thanks for the lengthy reply. I’ve been offline.
The Forward article references a first-hand account of a conversation with Kemal (later Attaturk). This is verifiable, albeit the book is out-of-print. Calling that second hand seems too dismissive to me.
Here’s a later article from the same author as the Forward article (this time in the NY Sun):
http://www.nysun.com/opinion/ataturks-turkey-overturned/58997/
It rehashes the story from the book, leaving out the part where Kemal says he was an actual descendant of Zvi, and goes on to confirms the often-made allegation that the ‘secular’ school Kemal attended was actually run by a Donmeh, a Mr. Simon Zvi.
I don’t mind dodgy sites, I neither dismiss them outright or take everything at face value. In this case they do give actual sources, as in the above discussion. When they give a bare allegation that can be researched, or just kept in mind till later.
Sidenote: My linked article has the following; “Who but a member of a religious minority would want so badly to eliminate religion from the identity of a Muslim majority that, after the genocide of Turkey’s Christian Armenians in World War I and the expulsion of nearly all of its Christian Greeks in the early 1920s, was 99% of Turkey’s population?”
Neatly blames the Armenian genocide on Muslims, when many sources blame that on the Donmeh. (I find it interesting that there seems to be organized Jewish opposition to the whole idea that there was an Armenian genocide. Why? Guilt about Donmeh/crypto-Jew involvement, or they don’t like competition to the Holocaust?)
That article is quite convincing, and it’s appearance after Erdogan’s rise to power makes it even more so. He suggests that the kemalist secular state had already been abandoned, although clearly there is some suggestion that it wasn’t yet a fait accompli. The Ergenoken situation still had to play out, and although I’m convinced Erdogan wasn’t behind it himself, the 2016 coup could be seen as a last attempt at the kemalists / or gulenist parallel state to regain control. I think I linked to this article before but it is probably the clearest description of what the allegations are provided you keep it at an evaluative distance. My position is like your when you say “I don’t mind dodgy sites, I neither dismiss them outright or take everything at face value. ” It’s evaluating information that matters. There is a great deal in both the Madsen article that makes sense, even if is partisan and taken on its own the Hillel Halkin articles should certainly be taken seriously. Historians too often avoid such controversy though, so it’s actually quite encouraging that such a piece could be published in a magazine like Forward
Thanks for your discussion of more recent events and how Erdogan might tie into all this. I hadn’t given it much thought.
You’re welcome, and thanks for pointing me to the Hillel Halkin article. It’s certainly tantalising possibility and would make a lot of sense. The Erdogan situation is curious too. There definitely have been plots against him, but at the very least he must have had foreknowledge of the 2016 coup or it’s hard to see that he would have come out of it so much stronger
There was a rumor at the time that Russia warned him, despite frosty relations after Turkey shot down that Russian fighter plane.
I wonder if we’ll ever know what passed at that time. It seems that after the coup attempt Erdogan suggested that the pilots who shot down the russian plane might have had links to the Gulen movement, although he didn’t provide proof. It could be that Erdogan at the time really wasn’t completely in control of elements of the military / airforce (as the coup would appear to suggest) and these really were Gulenists (Donmeh?) forces pursuing a particularist anti-russian (& anti-Syrian?) foreign policy in parallel to that of the Turkish state. On the other hand that could easily just be Erdogan trying to re-frame the situation in changed political circumstances in order to foster better relations with Russia. It would be hard to believe that Erdogan’s foreign policy over the last few years has not been his own in the main (including presumably with regard to supply lines for moderate Syrian rebels etc.?). He’s a slippy fellow is Erdogan: here is a quote re the pilots:
“Underlining that the Russian Su-24 had been warned multiple times for violating Turkish airspace, Erdoğan said the authorities do not know whether the pilots’ decision to down the jet was influenced by their links to Fethullah Gülen, a U.S.-based Islamic scholar said to be behind the failed military coup attempt on July 15.
“We still do not know whether this incident and the links of these people [the pilots] have anything to do with [the downing of the Russian jet]. But these pilots may have links to Pennsylvania,” the president said, referring to the northeastern U.S. state where Gülen has been living since 1999.”
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkish-pilots-who-downed-russian-jet-detained-erdogan.aspx?pageID=238&nID=101899&NewsCatID=338
While Atatürk actions saved the nation for a while, the author is clearly wrong. Atatürk didn’t buck the trend. He just saved what he could, Turkey never recovered its former status or even got to be minor global player until recently and only due to its membership in the NATO. Turkey is like a Billionaire who spent everything he had, ended up in the street but after some austerity and harsh measures, could at least lift himself and get a decent Middle Class status. Impressive, but by no means did become a millionaire again or even a successful little entrepreneur. He just became a common worker with a huge debt and in the verge of losing his mind…
Don’t confuse ottoman empire with what is today turkey.
Ottoman empire was was a muti ethnic and multi cultural empire with a grip of Islamic caliphate and the turkish identity did not exist until the 20th century.
Ataturk United all the muslims of anatolia and declared a so called turkish nation or republic.
Even the ottoman language was a mix of Arabic, persian and turkish.
Most modern “turks” are turkified native anatolians or balkaners, kurds, armenians and Arabs.
41 primer ministers of the empire were albanian and 18 Muslim bosnian.
The ignorance with the definition of terms should end once and for all
Western historiography always creates a mess.
Dude you don’t even know what a Caucasian is. You shouldn’t give opinions on these matters. Osman is term they invented recently to make the Turks look good and give them a pass for their crimes like genocides and such. You know what they were called when they first arrived in Balkans ? Turks. You know what they were called when they left ? Still Turks. If you asked my grandma what an Osman is , she would tell you she never heard the word. If you asked her about the Turks , she would tell you they were around until lately and weren’t exactly nice people. Don’t kid yourself.
Osman is an invented term? ????????
Osman was how they called themselves smart ass and not how westerns called them.
The Osman dynasty considered the term”turk” as offensive for example and to most Muslims of anatolia did not know what a turk was prior to WW1.
For sure we can not ask your illiterate grandmother about scientific opinions.
Western historiography might have referred to them initaly as “turks” and in the beginning maybe they were turkic but things became multi ethnic pretty soon as the empire expanded.
Western historians also called the Eastern Roman Empire as “Byzantine” and invented this term even though the so called Byzantines referred themselves as ROMANS And their empire as Roman Empire.
Cure your low iq ignorance.
Your precious historians in the West and their kind make shit up as it suits the narrative , like they do with everything else. Don’t put too much trust on them. My illiterate grandmother knows the reality first hand.
That is what I said.
They called the ottomans as ” turks” when the ottomans themselves did not recognise such term.
I gave you the example with the eastern roman empire and wrongly used “byzantine” term.
Yeah, except they moved to Greek and away from Latin, and then considered themselves something the same yet the other.
Try reading. You might like it.
And Indians didn’t call themselves indians. Christ man, do you have anything to offer outside of dissembling?
You have have a low IQ nd you are not capable to understand the basis of my words.
It doesn’t matter if they changed from Latin official language to koine greek.
The empire called itself The Roman Empire And It Actually It was The the true heir of the roman empire.
The citizens were called Romans and the emperor was called the emperor of Romans.
Term byzantine was not used anywhere and it was invented by a german historian in 1540.
The Indians were not even a nation but a group of different people.
Bunch of Asians without visas. Andrew Jackson built a wall and made them pay for it.
You can try euphemisms all you want. Turks came to europes doors.Turks made Constantinople Instambul. To the Turk we gave sons to fight for.
Muslims always impose jizya and boost their economy off the slave labor they conquer. As in the Islamic Spain they taxed the hell out of all non-muslims. Eventually after decimating non-muslim populations all the productivity and economic income drops because of the inherent decadance and aversion to work that all lazy, filthy mohammedans submit to.
This might have been true about the Arabic caliphate but not true for ottomans.
Ottoman empire was based on meritocracy
And just for your Information the biggest traders in the big empire were orthodox Christians.
You should check your facts. Protestant France had military and political alliances with the Ottomon Empire. Catholics always fought aganist the muslim locaust. Just like now all these Protestant Lutheran countries sell their people and country to the muslim hordes. Last I checked Poland doesn’t have muslim jihadi attacks everyday. You don’t even have any facts to present but just say some baseless bull.
exactly. Louis XIV would not take action against the Pasha when he laid seige to Vienna, and tried to prevent other European nations taking action. Poland did act, and drove them out.
France was a Roman Catholic country. There were Protestants in France, known as Huguenots, but they were a persecuted minority who eventually moved to other countries.
This empire was an embarrassment. Its rulers were not even ethnically Turkish and were the literal sons of whores. In order to live in society, you had to sell your soul, let alone be members of the “royal” family. The whole model of this empire was mining loosh, especially that of your nearest and dearest.
All empires are like that. Turns out, humans are promiscuous while mooring a bit towards monogamy, for fun you see.
European royals were, for a long time, ethnically of their own. The Ottoman Empire only had that for 2 generations. Their system was to marry slaves, have children with the slaves, and then kill-off all the male heirs except one. The boy with the most manipulative mother got to be king: that was the official system, not the “way things turned-out”.
The whole “empire” had nothing redeeming about it, far beyond just this custom. It’s the reason we have terrorism and globalism today.
And for all of the slaves they married, you’ll like this, they had very little sex. They were only allowed to have a few women, and only until they got them pregnant. Most of the harem women never had sex at all. The system mined loosh out of people, promising them things that were never delivered.
The so called ” turkish” ethnicity did not exist prior to coming of the 20th century and ataturk actually defined it.
Ottoman empire was indeed multi ethnic and multi cultural with an Islamic tolerant rule.
The ottoman dynasty was haired from a turkic man and end though the males were sons of whores they were directly decedent of his male line.
This is nonsense. Even at the height of Ataturk’s influence, Turkey was a pale shadow of Ottoman power and glory. Ataturk saved nothing, and indeed, less than a century later, every single one of his reforms are being undone by Racip Erdogan, with the popular support of the Turks. Ataturk’s Western-facing Turkey didn’t even last a single century. He was never going to suppress Islam for long. The Sultanate is returning, and Turks will piss on Mustafa Kemal’s grave. If THIS is your model for national renewal, were f#$%ed.
This comment FFTW!!!
If you combine dashed-hope and no joy with the constant fear of going against Satan’s wishes, you get the Ottoman Empire. Not a surprise that opening-up with the West turned out to be a problem: the entire system was based on not having enjoyment in life. You can’t mix sadistic government and light-heartedness, or it collapses.
He would have had a chance if he tried switching religions, but tried to substitute Islam for nothingness and in the end he failed…
Yeah… he adopted the Latin alphabet, he should have adopted Roman Catholicism or something like that to go with it. It would be Christian, but not the same type of Christian as the locals the Turks were always at odds with (Greeks, Armenians, Assyrians). Islam is pure poison.
The only reason a figure like Ataturk was able to appear on the scene was because his country had hit rock bottom: total, total defeat in WW I, loss of their entire empire, and abject national humiliation.
I think the lesson here really should be this: real reform and real change won’t happen unless a country hits rock bottom.
Interesting question: how have places like Germany and Sweden not hit rock bottom, with their current crazy policies?
The state manages to work and provide gibs and jobs. It still has not reached rock bottom. Also democracies are better at giving an appearance of stability, than monarchies, in which you really know who to blame but in democracy you always have to partially blame the people and the people won’t do it because it will ruin their narcissism. If we see change here it will be after a coup as the people validate their ruling. See now in France, I wouldn’t believe a month ago, Macron causes delirium to the French! He will be a failure sure but at this point the public puts hope on him! It will be an Obama like rule that ended in total chaos and the French will probably suffer a serious national schism after that, as Americans start to suffer during the campaign of Trump due to political polarization.
Who the hell Muslim wrote this article?
Atatürk didn’t have to reverse dysgenics though.
He was a real man.
HAHA
She probably gets stressed. Too much sex, not enough donuts.
I will handle the situation with as much delicacy as possible.
You can suck the donut guys dick and get them for free….then pocket the nickel for beer.
Just saying.
The homosexual conservative monster Trump created to fight the liberals, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgDf0w38qO8
Milo
The reprogramming of the entire matrix has begun, feminism is cancer, islam is evil, and the patriarchy rules in all society. It will take approx 5 years to deprogram and reprogram. We done it guys, we win, they lost, and will continue to lose.
Im hearing stories of men walking into their room take the tv off the wall and throwing them in the garbage can outside thats how toxic the brainwashing mind control is. Thats how deep this goes. Thats how toxic it is. When something is so toxic people resort to taking their tvs off the wall and putting them in the trash…we know there is a problem.
Feminism is cancer.
fascinating article and fascinating, revealing comments, that aren’t quite what they seem.
Not sure I can buy in to all this Ataturk hagiography. The young turks had their pros and cons, the main ‘pro’ being that they secularised and westernised a society that right now is likely to be turning significantly towards islamism – which in a 21st century context is worrying. On the other hand how exactly did that happen? Turkey is a deep well of conspiracy theories for a reason
Recep Erdoğan’s rise to power and undoing of Ataturk’s reforms probably changes my opinion. Maybe he just postponed the Turks’ descent into 3rd world craphole like Syia.
Great. Now who’s going to step up and do it?
If we are talking Turkey, Sibel Edmonds anyone?
http://www.classifiedwoman.com/
After the WTC was destroyed she signed up with the FBI as a Turkish translator. However she uncovered nefarious goings on in her department and undue influence of Turkey on the U.S. When she blew the whistle she was fired and enjoined from talking about what she found. I admire how she managed to skirt the rules and reveal some things anyway.
At the time, I thought ‘Turkey? really?’. However over time Turkey seems more and more prominent on the international stage. (And in a nefarious way. It’s even alleged they are backing ISIS, such as by buying oil from them, it’s rather convincing if oil convoys go to Turkey.) Also she made allegations that Dennis Hastert was taking bribes, and he did turn out to be very dirty.
Great Article. Nice Summary.
And the butthurt comments are funny as fuck.
Zsa Zsa Gabor credits Ataturk with taking her virginity when she was sixteen. She married and divorced several times but could never get over her Alpha Widowhood.
Good one
Turkey is a big fucking joke. Their population is actually a mixture of Greeks, Armenians and Kurds who already lived there during the Byzantine Empire. Then they got Turkified and Islamized by the invading Turks from Central Asia.
Somewhere in history these delusional retards started to believe that they were real Turks and committed genocides against Greeks, Armenians and Kurds, who were thus their own people. The real Turks were the elite and rarely mixed with the native populations.
I have to admit that these primitive nomadic Turks did a good job. They turned a highly civilized group of people who were Greek Orthodox and spoke Greek, into inbred retards who follow Islam and speak Turkish.
Sadly you are correct. The real ‘Turks’ are those who are Mongoloid in feature.
please tell me 1 nation in the world who’s not *mixed* with someone?
Enlighten us with your great *genetic*s knowledge.
Cultural identity has nothing to do with genetic history.
“After the war, foreign troops occupied Istanbul”. And they gave it back to the Turks??!! They should have kept it for Europe, re-naming it Constantinople. Specifically, the city was occupied by French, British and Italian troops (see:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Constantinople ). Those three governments should have administered Constantinople for the benefit of all Europeans, with the Greeks invited to come in to re-open the magnificent Hagia Sophia cathedral and keep it as their own. I can’t believe that the victorious Allies just gave Constantinople back to the Turks!
I’m proud to be turk and son of Ataturk. Don’t let ignorant, hateful butthurt armenians lie to you.
I hope Serbs never get into the EU because they are defenders of Christendom against Barbarians as Middle East Muslims and some other Bosniak looking for revenge; I’m Catholic but I consider Croatia a country of cucks who didn’t comprehend its fate as Christian defenders; even in the 90’s they acquiesced the actions of Mujahideen, coming from Croatian seaports to fight agains Serbs. What a shame!
Ataturk’s task was ultimately doomed, because Turkey is a Islamic Nation for long generations. To really save Turkey he would have to relegate Islam to a secondary religion, and that he would never be able to do, because Ataturk was just a polician, not a prophet or crusader.
This advantage we DO have over Turkey: We are not Islamic.
A true leader was Charlemagne, he was the reason why Europe was not overrun by Islam in the period of the Holy Roman Empire, also after his rule Europe made great advances, and that is why the West became dominant. Prior to that Europe was mired in a dark age after the fall of Rome.