With the ascent of Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump showing no signs of abating, cuckservatives across the U.S. are losing their minds, and the GOP cucksultant leading the crybaby parade is Rick Wilson. This week, Wilson published an article at The Daily Beast decrying the rise of the “Troll Party,” his halfwit neologism for Trump supporters and anyone else who thinks conservatives should be, you know, conservative:
That’s what is happening inside the GOP, and why the disease vector, in the form of Donald Trump, puts the entire conservative movement at risk of being hijacked and destroyed by a bellowing billionaire with poor impulse control and a profoundly superficial understanding of the world. The Troll Party puts nationalist, anti-establishment bluster before the tenets of our constitutional republic.
Wilson’s temper tantrum is just the latest in a series of embarrassing meltdowns for both him and the cuck brigade of the conservative movement. Cuckservatives like Wilson claim to support right-wing values, yet now that we have a viable presidential candidate actually espousing those positions, they’re scattering like roaches baking in the sun. It’s clear that these Beltway “conservatives” are more concerned about staying on the cocktail party circuit then actually winning the war of ideas.
A Brief History Of Public Cucking
https://twitter.com/Ricky_Vaughn99/status/642043343355158529
No one man better exemplifies the word “cuckservative” better than Rick Wilson. A political consultant with a long history of sniping at conservatives he believes are too “extreme,” Wilson has had several major meltdowns over the summer. For example, in a move that not even social justice warriors or other professional victims have yet to stoop to, Wilson used a supposed “rape threat” against his daughter to attack Breitbart. This came after he went on CNN, a notoriously left-wing news network, and called Trump supporters “low-information voters”:
Wilson was later forced to recant his accusation after he was rightfully questioned for not reporting the threat to the police.
Despite getting collectively spanked by the Internet for this idiocy, Wilson chose to dig himself in deeper when he insulted conservative commentator Ann Coulter by asking her if Trump paid her for anal sex. This was in response to Coulter Tweeting out a link to the above-linked Breitbart article on Wilson’s false rape blustering:
Once again, Wilson was forced to back down and issue an apology for his big mouth, though he noticeably didn’t apologize to Coulter, the woman he accused of being a prostitute.
Wilson’s opposition to Trump is so extreme—CNN dubbed him Trump’s “hardcore hater“—that he’s actively encouraging other GOP candidates to spurn Trump’s supporters. In appearances on CNN and in articles such as the aforementioned Daily Beast piece, Wilson has repeatedly insulted Trump supporters, calling them “trolls” and “kooks” and claiming that any Republican candidate who tries to appeal to them is “racist” or “xenophobic.”
The joke is that Donald Trump is not only leading the Republican presidential field by wide margins over his competitors, his candidacy has injected a vitality into conservative politics that hasn’t been seen in decades. After eight years of the faux-conservative George W. Bush and lackluster candidate selections in 2008 and 2012, Trump has both the charisma and the platform necessary to take the White House back from the radical left.
@TheRickWilson your “conservative values” extend only as far as the “R” next to a politician’s name. pic.twitter.com/t3gTAmhVYj
— RWDServo (@FashyTom) September 16, 2015
None of this matters to Rick Wilson; he’d rather the GOP lose “honorably” then resort to the winning playbook that Trump is using.
The GOP’s Heart Of Cuckness
https://twitter.com/Ricky_Vaughn99/status/641057721966567424
The continuing crackup over Donald Trump’s campaign has revealed the true priorities of Beltway conservatives such as Rick Wilson, George Will and Jonah Goldberg. Despite claiming to fight for traditional values, these cuckservatives overwhelmingly hail from liberal metropolises, write for left-wing organs such as the Washington Post or Daily Beast, and count leftists among their circle of cocktail buddies. They are almost entirely disconnected from the reality that average Americans—and average conservatives—face, and their flustered hatred of Trump proves it.
The irony is that a few months ago, Wilson was willing to acknowledge the problem of the GOP being too accommodating to the left. In a piece for the Federalist, Wilson slammed “Acela Republicans” (“Acela” referring to the Northeast, named after the Amtrak route connecting Boston and Washington, D.C.) such as New Jersey Governor Chris Christie for their leftist policies, snobby attitude and open contempt for the party’s right-wing base. Yet when given the perfect candidate to send “Acela Republicans” packing, Wilson gets so worked up he has to reach for the smelling salts.
If Trump’s continued performance in the polls and other candidates such as Ted Cruz adopting his tactics is any indicator, cuckservatives such as Rick Wilson are an endangered species. The question remains whether they’ll peacefully step aside in favor of a right-wing renaissance or try to burn down the GOP to assuage their hurt feelings.
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From the start it looked like Trump was trolling the GOP.
And having dealt with the GOP myself in the past, I would say the GOP deserves it.
Heck the GOP is getting off east. Were it up to me the GOP would die in a fire and take a place in hell next door to the Whigs.
And supporting Trump and calling out cucks has been top shelf trolling so far. Makes people think. And that’s more important than any of these empty suits.
Trump and our alt-right “Troll Party” are saving the GOP by fighting it.
One of my slogans is “We have to troll the world to save it”
If the consensus is to do what “feels” good and hope the government will unfuck us, anything rational will be trolling.
Troll Old and Young Alike
Exactly. The reason Trump is dominating the GOP is because all we see are GOP candidates that are willing to practice the same phony outrage and political correctness as the left. Trump could care less about political correctness, which echoes the sentiment of most Americans. The left has done its best to try to silence the opposition by shaming them, and any GOP candidate that stands against that is going to win points.
The bottom line is if you aren’t going to fight the left and show how ridiculous their point of view really is, we don’t want you in office. Period.
Matt i agree with you about Rick Wilson but i’m nowhere near as enthusiastic to support Trump as you are, since i don’t consider him a bonafide conservative. I agree with him on the issue of immigration and PC but i disagree with him far more on most of his left leaning views.
Trump’s record is questionable at best. He’s contributed to the right AND left, and personally praised Hillary Clinton in the past and went so far as to invite her to his wedding.
That, and his frequent support of left wing causes (abortion, homosexual marriage) in the past leads one to question just how legitimately conservative he truly is, regardless of his “evolved” position right now. (where have i heard that before?)
Trump reminds me of Mitt Romney with Bill Clinton’s charmisa thrown in for good measure. He would be cool to pal around with late night at the titty bar, but that doesn’t mean i or anyone else on the legitimate right should vote for him, more so when a true paleocon like Ted Cruz exists in the race. This is just Gingrich/Santorum all over again, with Gingrich stealing a lot of the spotlight and attention with his charisma and intelligence, for the benefit of Romney.
While i’m not saying or implying that Trump is doing this for anyone else’s benefit, it’s clear he is more flash than substance. I’m not trusting my vote to a rockstar, i’m trusting it to someone who has some real substance to back up his remarks and the legitimate a droit credentials to truly turn this country around, even if it’s probably too late to do so.
For anyone who thinks that i just have issue with him on his token support for traditional issues, i also have issue with his fiscal ones too.
Trump on TARP and obama’s SP:
“CAVUTO: Are you for this Obama stimulus that was signed into law today?
TRUMP: Well, something had to be done. And whether it’s perfect or not, nothing is perfect. And it’s a whole trial-and-error thing, Neil.
It’s a very, very tough — we are having — as the congressman just said, we’re having the worst year, the worst couple of years, since the Great Depression. And you mentioned the early ’80s.
I mean, the early ’80s get blown away by this deal, as you know very well. This is far, far more severe than the early ’80s.
CAVUTO: Do you really think so? I mean, back then, we had higher unemployment. You could argue that — that we might be headed there.
But, geez, Donald, I look at these numbers, I don’t — I don’t see the Depression comparison.
TRUMP: Neil, when you look at the banks, had trillions of dollars not been poured into the banks, you would have an insolvent banking system, and then you would absolutely have 1929. They did the right thing.
http://therightscoop.com/trump-on-tarp-and-stimulus-sounds-more-like-a-crony-capitalist-than-a-conservative/”
And that’s just 1 example..there are many more.
Like i said, he is Mitt Romney and Bill Clinton rolled into one, on social and fiscal issues. I’m not a cuckservative for opposing Trump, anyone supporting Trump irrespective of these facts would actually be the cuckservative here.
Ted Cruz is the real deal, anything less (including Trump) is just pseudoconservative, conservative lite, neoconservative, and so forth.
I figured you for a Cruz man. So am I. My ideal ticket would be Cruz/Paul, or Paul/Cruz. The value of Trump is his demonstrating that you can defy the Establishment and they are powerless if you don’t back down and apologize like they expect.
Agreed, Donald Trump has done a wonderful service in that because of all his FU money he has shaken up the GOP establishment to the point of sheer terror.
I appreciate him for that much at least. Someone like him was sorely needed in the race to point out the Bs.
EXACTLY! I’m totally in lovin’ The Donald right now, and not at all because he’s a viable candidate or someone I want to trust with my vote. He’s giving a stiff middle finger to these drit-bag establihment RINO’s on a daily basis, and they’re scared out of their wits. Even better, he’s completely emasculated Jeb at every opportunity and shown everyone what liberal roll-over he truly is.
I’m with you on the notion that Cruz is the man for the job, but despite his ever changing views, you’ve gotta give The Donald a big high-five terrorizing all of these nitwits.
Why Cruz? all I get here in NYC is that he is a hypocrite because he is anti-immigration yet is Canadian…
Were he actually Canadian, he wouldn’t be eligible to be president.
If I was born on a U.S. base in England, to American parents, I’m not English, I’m American. What you get in NYC is, well, from NYC. Take it with a grain of salt, they’re reaching for anything they can get.
The controversy about Cruz is that only one of his parents was American. I don’t think we’ve had that happen before. But it still doesn’t matter, only 1 parent has to be American for the child to be American. That’s why the birth certificate stuff was such a joke.. even if Obama was born in Kenya, he would still be American if his mom was American. But since so many on the right played this issue up with Obama, that’s why you’re hearing it about Cruz because some of the same people who said Obama is ineligible are now supporting Cruz.
The operative concept was that your parents were there doing business on behalf of the government. The same was true of John McCain.
Cruz’s parents weren’t. He didn’t renounce his Canadian citizenship until he was 43.
Look it up. He didn’t renounce his Canadian citizenship until 2014.
Ted Cruz is not an immigrant. He is a US citizen under section g of 8 U.S. Code § 1401, the US Citizenship law as passed by Congress.
The problem is most people, including sadly, most Americans, are clueless regarding what makes someone a US citizen. They think that the 14th amendment is the be-all-and-end-all of it.
I like Cruz a lot but this kind of ignorance on the part of many voters is what would jeopardize his candidacy. The Democrats will play it to the hilt like they did with Barry Goldwater in 1964.
To be fair it was staffers of Monica Lewinsky’s ex-boyfriend’s wife’s campaign who started the birther nonsense. No GOP candidate ever ran with it (I refuse to call it an “issue” or a “conspiracy theory” because even that gives this preposterous idea undue credibility).
It is sad seeing so many conservatives still buying into it though. But my guess is that 0bama likes it, because the birther nonsense makes persons who buy into it look stupid and uncredible.
The birther nonsense should have been put to bed with the Lakin case.
Canada does stupid birthright citizenship like the US does. Cruz did not seek out or willingly become a citizen of Canada, nor did he act as such by voting in their elections, serving in their military, or other such things that a citizen of that country would do. For him, it was a pure accident of birth.
So you’re saying he was too busy to renounce his citizenship before 2014? Or does he just love America so much that he wanted to remain a citizen of Canada for so long?
Donald Trump, current republican frontrunner, ran with it.
This was more true in 2012 than it is now. My guess is that Trump was flirting with a run in 2012 but he probably didn’t think he could make it.
The birther nonsense IMO is a non-issue now as 0bama isn’t going to be on the ballot.
Doesn’t matter. If your parents are citizens, you are. That makes far more sense than allowing anchor babies to illegals.
If he wasn’t a natural born citizen, he wouldn’t be eligible.
Keeping his Canadian citizenship was stupid, but it doesn’t disqualify him — legally speaking. You of course have every right to hold it against him. I personally don’t care either way because I’m pretty sure we’ll end up with a horrific candidate (Jeb, Christie) versus a horrific candidate (Clinton, O’Malley).
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/08/19/ted-cruz-renounces-canadian-citizenship-in-statement/
Cruz began the formal process in 2013, but prior to that he never thought he was legally a citizen of Canada. It was a number of legal experts who suggested he might be a legal citizen of Canada and that’s what prompted him to start the process.
The opposite of Ted Cruz would be Jorge Ramos, a scumbag who openly brags about voting both here and in Mexico.
One of two things: he’s a damn liar or he ought not to hold any public office since he can’t even be bothered to know his own legal status. Why stick up for a guy who doesn’t have his shit together?
Nobody said he wasn’t an American. It’s not a conspiracy, but Cruz supporters shouldn’t pretend he was never a Canadian.
Well, right. He’s not my guy, I was just covering the legal end of it.
Politically, I don’t even like the label conservative. I’m not sure there’s a term for how crazy I am.
If Cruz gets the nomination, the pubs can kiss another election goodbye. Back a winner folks.
Cruz is as beholden to AIPAC and other like-minded lobbies and their ilk as the rest. Trump “appears” to be someone who might be fed up with the ceaseless attack on America’s founding population by those smiling, hypocritical folks who can never be named. Maybe his position as an insider has made him decide to try and right some wrongs before he his time is up. Much better he than certified puppets like Rubio, Cruz, and the rest of the professional politicians.
My ideal candidate is Cruz, but I support Trump because he seems to be the best option out of the practical possibilities. I just can’t see Cruz winning.
Trump may be a loose cannon and unreliable, but that’s still better than a cannon that we know will reliably hit the wrong target.
His way to loud and proud for his support on Israel, hell end up folding to aipac pressure.
Ted ‘Cruzing for tacos’ wouldn’t be my 1st choice, especially not over Trump.
I base my politics on more than support or non-support of Israel. If that’s his only flaw I’d say he’s light years ahead of Trump, whose entire life has been centered around supporting Leftists (until, amazingly, just recently). Plus that whole “I’ll use eminent domain to steal houses so I can put hotels down on top of them” thing is reprehensible. I like his style and “in your face” way of shaking up the base, but his politics are something else entirely.
Paul is an embarrassment. Trump is playing the game just enough. The only way way anyone will ever know for sure is if Trump actually manages to win the Presidency. If he does, and makes move to seal the borders, put a moratorium on immigration and end the ridiculous one-sided Middle East Policy followed by the US (among many other things) then we’ll know he’s for real. Yes, much of this would have to be via Executive Action, just as the Obama puppet has done for his masters since he was first installed as President of the Sheeple.
I agree Paul seems to have the best overall policies, though I think Obama has proved that pushing your military weight around the world is a safer bet than backing down and letting other countries do it. Paul may need a change there. Cruz would put him in the right place if they were on the same ticket.
Trump needs to step down and teach the rest of them how to truly campaign. Too bad that won’t happen.
Trumps a self-aggrandizing, hypocritical social conservative, crony capitalist who cares nothing for vast majority of the population. He fits perfectly into GOP.
I’m not even sure that he’s a social conservative, to be honest.
That’s what I mean. He occasionally makes mention of supporting conservative values, but I guarantee that dude has paid for more mistress abortions than your neighborhood Planned Parenthood center.
I’d really like it if others started emulating his “in your face” attitude though. We (real libertarians/right wing types) won’t win any more elections or debates by continuing to be nice little milquatoasts who are quick to bow and apologize and beg for forgiveness lest we dare mention something inconvenient from time to time. That’s his value in this race, demonstrating that you don’t have to be that way, and his only value and contribution. But it’s a big contribution, if others take it to heart.
Cruz seems to be stepping up a bit more, which is a good sign, and Paul is starting to fire back but unfortunately he’s pretty much out of the race at this point, despite being quite sound in his ideas and ideology. We’ll see what pans out come November. I’ll tell you this much though, if it’s a Jeb! ticket, expect to never see the GOP elected to an office higher than dog catcher ever again in our history.
The “in your face” attitude is what people are looking for. Last elections libertarian candidate Gary Johnson had it and had a lot of us behind him, but of course he was effectively shut out of the election by the GOP/DNC illuminati. Trump has it but unfortunately he doesn’t have the record or wisdom to back it up. On the left Bernie Sanders is cleaning up with that attitude (and it is only a matter of time before the GOP/DNC illuminati pull a Howard Dean/shut him down).
Agreed. That’s what has gotten him this far, his “stone cold steve austin” personality and defiance of PC.
He’s a guy with some legitimate balls (all that FU money probably helps lol) which is why so many Non PC people are singing his praises and raising their hands in support…problem is, when all the cheer leading is done and the Man is in office, he is going to vote according to his beliefs and in the Gordon Gekko “greed is good” business world that Trump lives in and flourishes, the only beliefs that matter at the end of the day are his alone, not any of ours.
I agree with you about Jeb..if he gets it the GOP is DONE.
I believe Trump is is going to do for our side (and our support for Cruz) what Newt did last time to Santorum for the benefit of Romney….cost us an election as he siphons votes away from the legitimate conservative running (even if he isn’t doing it intentionally) for the benefit of the establishment pick.
I see Jeb getting it because of that. I’m an indie but i still hope that the base can beat back the GOP neocons this time, although i doubt it.
Don’t forget Biden might actually jump in.
Remember the leftist motto “never let a good tragedy go to waste.”
He’s making the talk show rounds going on about his dead son, which leads me to think he is going to throw his hat into the race, since Hillary is damaged goods and Bernie is just too fringe as a socialist to appeal to anyone but the most hardcore leftist out there.
Biden is still a connection to obama, which the sheeple on the left will go for and cast their lot in.
I still haven’t ruled out emperor obama running for a third term…he’s joked about it, so we shall see.
He isn’t, he just says he is to appeal to the base. He’s got the classic politician method locked down.
Haha, if they toss Biden into the mix, you know the DNC is quaking in their boots. It might be my time spent living in Vermont and my insight on Vermont thinking (communal but still traditional New England self reliance), but I like Bernie. His self-proclaimed little “s” socialism, to me, doesn’t reach the levels of Obama’s distribution of wealth. Sure he advocates for universal healthcare, which after dealing with all my completely inept private insurance, I’m fine with. Overall, he seems more about leveling the playing field to bring back the middle class.
If you don’t mind the disastrous effect of him taxing the rich at a 90% rate, feel free to vote for him.
Just so you know, that is going to get passed on down to the rest of us, since shit rolls downhill literally just as it does through progressive economic policies.
If Trump keeps the momentum going, we might see a change in GOP politics. More Repub candidates will see they don’t need to quiver every time someone accuses them of being a racist/sexist/etc. Not sure if I’m on the Trump bandwagon but I would love to see a whole slew of Repub senators, Congressmen, and candidates with his “fuck you” attitude.
So I am admittedly ignorant on the intricacies of macro economic policy, but what would the effect be of taxing the ultra wealthy, e.g. >$500 million net worth or $20 million/year at that high of rate? Weren’t the ultra wealthy taxed at outstanding rates (70%ish) in our growth hey-day of the 50’s and 60’s? If you are pulling in $20 million a year, and that gets taxed and knocked down to $8 million – so what? It’s not like jobs are not already being outsourced. Also in this hypothetical, I assume tax loopholes, etc. to prevent income leaving the US before it can be taxed is all sewn up. What is the result of taxing them more and lowering the taxes on us people making under $100k? I’m genuinely curious. A couple million a year is all somebody needs to live on super comfortably, so I don’t see it as a disincentive to work hard. Thoughts? Genuinely curious here.
Trump vs Biden…I’ll bring the beer if you got the popcorn!
Well the first thing about taxes is … it’s isn’t your f’ing money. Now that we’ve dispatched the moral question about looting, onto the wider economic effect of taxation ….
How many calories does a rich person eat per day? In fact the “wealth” of the rich is usually put back into more money making investments. Their wealth includes the cost of the bricks in the buildings they own, etc. It is almost never in giant basement vaults of gold coins in which they dive like Scrooge McDuck.
The free market system tends to deliver money to those who know how to increase its supply — to reward those who also benefit humanity most by their clever production and investment choices.
Any “political” redistribution is not based on productive efficiencies and market demand, but on cronyism and payoffs to protected classes.
So even though forced redistribution is evil in itself (aggravated robbery) it also short circuits the life serving functions of the market by handing gobs of stolen cash to idiots who don’t know how to survive on their own.
The immediate problem is, when you tax the wealthy at that supremely high level you also tend to take away the initiative for the wealthy to want to make money here in the US.
The wealthy have only a tenuous loyalty to the US which will hold insofar as it doesn’t cost more for them to make money here. They didn’t become wealthy by operating businesses where no legitimate profit margin can be sustained. This kind of tax policy will only cause further NAFTA type outsourcing of jobs to overseas companies. As more jobs get outsourced, it’s going to have a cascading effect on our job growth and unemployment, as it becomes even harder to find decent employment and even harder to get off unemployment.
You will also find ripple effects in the value of the dollar, as more of the lower income people hoard their money rather than spend it because of the lack of affordable goods made possible by a healthy competition of companies doing business in the free market for the sake of profit. Giant chains like Walmart might survive the fallout if they end up swallowing up all the rest of the competition (for example) but then you have to factor in that anti trust laws will come into play, so they will either have to fully automate their businesses and lay off 75-90% of their work force or offer their services exclusively online in order to circumvent some of the costs involved in operating their business. (this is just a placebo effect though, since they would need to increase their costs involved in actually shipping the product to the consumer) The government will likely be “forced” to step in to help provide the bulk of the services that are otherwise considered indispensable and not ergo “luxurious” aka a bailout, at the cost of the taxpayers of course as Uncle SCAM becomes a majority owner of many of the larger chains of the US. Somehow i don’t see that happening but who knows?
Then of course there’s the banks, as they find it harder and harder to find liquid assets loaned to them from the 1% wealthiest of clients, as they choose to convert most or all of their funds in overseas bank accounts with far lower taxation rates through the foreign currency of their choice. Since the dollar will further go down as a concomitant effect, the banks will suffer business from the very top down, forcing another TARP level government bailout of banks or outright nationalization of all banks with Uncle SCAM as the sole shareholder…yeah that never works out well whenever it’s been tried.
This of course will trigger another inflation level event, or maybe even hyperinflation of the kind of the 1920’s Weimar Republic, which tend to happen as a “coincidental effect” whenever the government asserts near to total control of a nation’s assets and owes tons to foreign creditors as well.
Anyway, as the cost of goods soars, as the cost of importing goods that are imported through private means escalates, it will be extremely difficult to turn a sustained profit if you are the wealthiest 1% of Americans, and because your net worth already took a hit from the dollar going down in value, your $500 million in the bank ended up becoming worth far less, the more and more that you choose to keep the bulk of your wealth in American currency.
Eventually the government will step in and completely assume responsibility for many of the goods and services right now, which will lead us to a Scandinavian model of high taxation and the Venezuelan model of hard control of goods and cost. In many ways the Greece model of failure is our destiny the more we try to wrest control of the free market away from the natural ebb and flow that normally comes with a consumer driven market that relies on more personal input and less impersonal output from the government.
This will all serve to plunge us back into the dark ages of American finance, as the bread and unemployment lines that wrap around the block will make a strong comeback. The stock market crashing into the roof of hell would also be a possibility.
For a nation as large as the US to have such a high taxation rate would ergo be a disaster of epic proportions. Bernie Sanders would be like the Dr Kevorkian of the US economy in that regard.
Holy shit…i just realized how epic that would be.
Are pretzels ok too?
By the way, there’s nothing wrong with being a little ignorant, since we are all more or less ignorant on one issue or another.
It’s STAYING ignorant that’s the problem…too many people grow comfortable in not knowing, not knowing enough or not caring enough to know what is worth knowing in the world.
99% of them are called obama supporters haha.
Indeed.
I don’t think Trump can be trusted, nor that he would make a good president. But saying that which needs to be said and not bowing and scraping before leftoid media to be liked are qualities that the people are starving to death for. Trump is simply not an empty suit, and look how much success that gets him.
Imagine if Ron Paul did it this way.
I’m actually seeing old Ron Paul slogan posters being recycled with Sanders’ image.
At least the hordes of Bernie supporters are going to learn what 12 million Ron Paul supporters learned about the election process in 2008 and 2012.
(They are going to learn that the system needs to die)
Right, but you are discussing corporate taxes. I’m in agreement that we should let business do their business. Obviously, we have many laws/programs/subsidies/etc. that need to be reformed as well.
I’m talking about, and I believe people like Bernie Sanders are talking about, individual incomes. I still fail to see how earning $20 million but only keeping $8 million of it disincentives people. Give me $1 million dollars a year and I will never want materially for anything in my life and either will my children’s children.
I guess it’s this idea of “disincentives” that I don’t understand or necessarily agree with. I don’t believe people are so economically rational that they would leave the country over being rich versus so-overly-rich-that-I-buy-elephant-foot-umbrella-holders. Again, my idea of increased taxation would also come with a bunch of fiscally conservative spending cuts and general fiscal responsibility and changed governmental policy.
But it isn’t your money and you know that. It’s an intentionally obtuse argument. That’s a fun slogan, but even the most die-hard anarchist libertarian knows that the social compact/government requires money to function. It requires us giving up some of our freedom (aka money) in order to have security.
Would you support increased taxes on the wealthy (income – not on the corporations/businesses that generate the wealth) combined with drastic cuts and revisions to our law/regulations/subsidies (which I admit are cronyism at its finest)?
Well with regard to that, why should Bernie, you or myself dictate to someone who earned their fortune legally how much of a cap they should have on any additions to it?
What if there was a tax on masculinity, purported as necessary by feminists in order to redistribute power equally among both genders through a redistribution of ability? What if feminists said “you can only express 10% of your masculinity at any given time in order to make our society truly homogenized and you will ergo be taxed for the remaining 90%” would you be in favor of that?
It sounds absurd doesn’t it? Which is exactly why it’s coming as these feminists seek more and more means of trying to sabotage the natural and superior abilities of Men in order to level the playing field.
Feminists like socialists operate in the same fashion…they believe that government and not people should determine the ends of any fruitful natural endeavor, and they believe laws should step in to try and course correct what nature never intended to represent equally in the first place.
I support a truly equitable 10% flat tax that would have a de escalating rate of return. The higher up the economic ladder you go, the less in a return you would have even if you paid the same 10% rate as everyone else.
The money that the government would lose on the front end would be more than made up for in the back, as those at the very top have more to further expand on their wealth through job promotion and the R and D involved in any increased efficiency in service. Since only the “legitimately” wealthy (aka those that didn’t chance into wealth) know how to stay wealthy, it behooves them to further take their capital and reinvest it into their business(es) which would have the consequential effect of benefiting everyone else down the economic food chain, to say nothing of the banks.
The dollar would also grow in monetary value as more people have less taxation to stifle spending, as well as having more to invest in savings accounts, giving banks more of an access to lower income liquid on demand resources to then offer to lower tier members seeking loans. This might even lower the housing prices as a result.
This sort of laissez faire approach is very unlikely to happen, since we are moving towards a total bureaucratic dominion of the private sector. It would be nice though.
Well, as I responded to somebody else, the theory of the social compact dictates that we can make people give up a certain portion of their income in order to fund the law and stable environment that they made that money in.
I have trouble with absolutes. I get your point, and on certain days I totally agree with you and want laissez faire life and to smash the state. Let the stupid people die off. Other days, I want to tax the rich varying between because bad circumstance and chance shouldn’t mean people have to live poor (benevolent help) or because fucking people are just so goddamn dumb and if we don’t help them and tell them what to do, they will fucking sink us all (totalitarian elitism).
That’s absurd to think the dumb will sink us. They die and go away – supporting the stupid breeds more stupid. Is it callous? No it’s for the betterment of society and the future. And just curious, have you ever had a job working for a “poor man”? Stop drinking the kool-aid.
Gundog i’m curious, are you in the US? Because i’m wondering if you grew up in a nation that already has this kind of excessive taxation (even more than what we already have here) and so you are already accustomed to it. That might explain things.
I don’t believe in absolutes either, but really the truly stupid will only stay stupid the more you try to assist them instead of assisting them in assisting themselves so that they don’t need your assistance at all. You only end up making them dependent morons through the effort, which of course has a benefit if you want to mass breed a legion of lobotomized morons at your beck and call whenever a certain policy you want supported at the grassroots level comes up. This is how the D’s stay in power here, incidentally.
As the saying goes: “Give a Man a fish and he’ll eat for a day, teach a Man to fish and he’ll eat for a lifetime.”
Also. Paul from the bible said ” For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.”
I guess at the end of the day we will just agree to disagree here…thanks for the interesting conversation regardless.
USA born and bred. Had my working papers at 14 and have been steadily employed since. Hell, I alone make a lot more than average American household.
I think I find some merit to the argument that the game is rigged against the lower classes. In other words, the American dream is dead, or at least stops at middle class. I never expect to be more than upper middle class if I am lucky. That might shade my political leanings a bit.
Yeah, this board is great for having actual civil political conversations.
“I guess it’s this idea of “disincentives” that I don’t understand or necessarily agree with.”
It does. I would tell you some personal stories but it’s a public forum so I’ll pass.
You are looking at it from the wrong direction. You think that 20 million (that was your example I believe) is already in the bag, and now you would be happy holding 8 mil out of it… Well here’s the problem.. That 20 mil doesn’t just come to you. One must take risks, yes investing is risky and you may loose on the deal. I’m not going to even talk about the work, the know how, the stress, etc. So for making 20 mill you would probably have to risk 60 mil (pulled the number out of my ass.. who knows how much money at risk you have to come up with, probably much more than that).. And now, if after it’s all set and done and I know what I’m doing I have to pay 12 million in taxes, my ex-wife (who probably while I was shaking in my boots was blowing 100 assholes), etc. Why would I want to do that? It’s not that I am not happy with the deal.. It’s worse: It simply makes no sense.. It all comes down to risk/reward..Besides, I’m already rich and I can probably make 500 years of rent, so why bother?…
give up a certain portion of their income in order to fund the law and stable environment that they made that money in.
To your point here. They already do. And here’s how you should think of it. Even in a flat tax environment, let alone in our progressive tax law rich people pay a disproportionate amount already.
Think of it this way.. If someone pays an absolute amount of money in taxes that’s let’s say 10 times more than another person does.. These two people use the same roads, the same hospitals, the same everything that’s public, yes? So they take back the same amount. The rich person will not drive 10 times more, will not get sick 10 times more, etc… Hope you get the point.
What you are probably alluding to is HOW they make their money, but that’s a totally different discussion, and I would argue That is Nobody’s Business, as long as it’s legal.
Corporate tax revenues (ie. the amount paid after deductions) are 6x lower now than they were in the 1950s relative to the GDP (amount of money transacted).
http://www.cbpp.org/blog/top-ten-federal-tax-charts
Which economy was better?
The 1950s one where we DID NOT outsource jobs or import illegal immigrants.
Or the current one with EXTREMELY low corporate tax revenues where everything is outsourced.
They’ll probably just ignore him or not have debates. Ron Paul was extremely popular everywhere I went 4 years ago, small southern towns, NYC, parties with my parents. It seemed at least 50% of everyone I met strongly liked the guy. Yet they marginalize him, give him minimal to no airtime or debate time, and never ever talk about him as if he is a serious candidate (while they talk about hacks like the Godfathers Pizza Guy and Carli Fiorini as if they are legit) and he ends up fading into obscurity.
Doing this would return America to where it was in its heyday. It would result in a more level economic system. Having a huge disparity between the poor and the rich is one of the primary signs of a failing society. If you are interested in learning more I highly recommend the recent documentary
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2215151/
From reading your comments opinions I think you would appreciate it and would have an open mind. The bottom line is of course it makes sense to do so but there is no way in hell it will ever happen because those with $100+ million are so incredibly powerful they will never allow it to happen. And America is too big for any sort of revolt or uprising to force it.
I really wish he’d take the hint (Paul).
The “debate” kept skipping over Paul on the actual issues, the tried to nail him on fringe things. The Agenda is clear.
I used to believe that there should be an absolute flat tax, that rich people should be rewarded for whatever they earn and that taxes punish. But here’s my problem with that argument: That’s fine up to a certain point. I’d place it somewhere between $250,000 to $1 million.
Beyond that it’s no longer true that the guy earning more money is working any harder or busting his ass any more or making tough choices. At that level typically the money is made off the financial system or the government (and these are essentially the same thing). I totally agree that the guy working 80 hours a week should keep twice what the guy working 40 hours a week does.
But that formula breaks down when you get into the world of facebook paper millionaires, golden parachute boys, f9 monkeys, etc. (google these if you don’t know). At that level it’s not even real money they are earning, but typically wall street valuations, equities, and financial instruments. Mark my words, Mark Zuckerburg is supposedly “worth” $40 billion. Facebook will go out of business before it ever earns $40 billion.
It’s wall street dollars versus real dollars. The financial system has corrupted the value of money.
I haven’t heard the “it isn’t your money” line from someone who isn’t at least a crypto-Marxist — i.e. “property is theft” or “From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs.”
These philosophies always require weapons — to enforce the threat of prison or death if they don’t hand over a portion of the product of their labors by those too lazy or stupid too earn it for themselves.
In any event transfer payments (welfare for the lazy) don’t have anything to do with government functions — being limited to police, courts and national defense. These are actually small budget items compared to the transfer theft going on in these “leveling” schemes where the looters steal from the productive elements of society.
And finally, taxes on businesses are taxes on consumers. F’cking idiots think raising taxes on corporations affects the rich — what f’cking morons. The taxes just get passed on in the price — and the f’cking morons have to pay it — thinking they’ve stuck it to the rich. F’cking idiots.
Weren’t the ultra wealthy taxed at outstanding rates (70%ish) in our growth hey-day of the 50’s and 60’s?
You have to adjust for inflation to truly compare the “high” 70%ish tax brackets of the past.
Hardly anyone ever got close to reaching those tax brackets.
Also, the truly wealthy do NOT receive the majority of their money as earned salary income.
They have (and had) other sources of income that are not taxed at the same high rates as earned salary income.
How does this make him any different than the rest of the GOP? It too claims to support social conservatism but then when the rubber meets the road, doesn’t. At least with Trump (and to a certain extent, Carson), a credible benefit of the doubt exists. This doesn’t apply to any other elected GOP politician currently running.
Consider the recent failed Senate vote to defund Planned Parenthood. Mitch McConnell refused to change the Senate rules to allow a simple majority to vote for defunding (it would have passed). Then when the vote failed due to lacking a 60 vote supermajority, he claimed that “he didn’t have the votes.”
Another example is the Iran deal. Normally such a thing would be considered a treaty, and would thus require a 2/3 majority vote in the US Senate to be binding. Not so with the GOP. They passed the “Corker Framework” (named after cuckservatve Senator Bob Corker). It allowed for 0bama to simply present any treaty he liked to the Congress, and if Congress didn’t vote to kill it, it would become law. Of course 0bama could simply veto such a vote, and if it was not overridden, it would become law. We saw the GOP allow 34 Democrats to pass a legally binding treaty.
Ever notice this type of thing never happened with the Democrats when they ran the Senate? Harry Reid, under no circumstances, ever had any problem getting enough votes to pass or stall anything the Democrats wanted or didn’t want to do.
And by “the rich” he means everyone who works. Recall that Bill Clinton’s definition of “the rich” in his 1993 tax hike was anyone making $30,000 a year or more.
Nice straw man, they had more deductions(healthcare wasn’t taxable for example)
And businesses were able to administer IQ test.
Basically most of the laws today didn’t exist
You’re quoting a link from an org that promotes SJ issues and is founded by a Jimmy Carter flunkie and funded by far left progs like George Soros? Ummm ok!
Yep. It starts with the most wealthy but eventually it extends further down, until even the middle class are considered “too wealthy” then VOILA! Norway sky high taxes for everyone!
I doubt the “wealthy” will pay. If they know they’ll lose 90 cents on the dollar after a certain income level most probably won’t bother to earn at that level.
They’ll just transfer their wealth elsewhere. I believe the phenomena is called “rich flight”
You’ve seen this before…Beck left NY because of it, and i believe Hanity did the same. If Bernie becomes president there will be no place in the US to escape 90% taxation, so the only other option is leaving the US period and taking your wealth with you.
Speaking of NY, it will be Detroit in 20 years or less…count on it.
And don’t forget they were liquidating the huge debt from WWII not running up trillions in new debt.
It’s also easy to forget that for the first two decades of the Post War Era, the world on the other side of both oceans was a smoldering ruin. No competition for years.
I believe the technical term would be anti-hero, or someone who doesn’t fit the traditional view of a hero because of non heroic qualities, like chronic assholeishness, greed, etc.
Anyway i’m in full agreement with you.
You see that’s the problem. The GOP is so lost these days, they are not even hypocritical social conservatives any more, nor are they even capitalists.
Heck, give me back at least the GOP of the 1980s that at least played lip service to capitalism and freedom so they could he held to it. Now the GOP is openly “cuck” leftist. There’s nowhere else to go (except put on a brown uniform and start bashing heads in the street)
There is absolutely no difference between the GOP and DNC. Both work for Wall St. Jeb and Hillary were their picks. Trump blows them both out of the water. Give Trump 4 years. It’s IMPOSSIBLE for him to be worse than the piece of shit in office right now. That being said give me Trump/Cruz for 8 and Cruz for another 8 after that.
Agree with everything you said except you need to re-evaluate your opinion of Ted Cruz. What baffles me more is how modern Americans still buy into the farce that is the elections, Democrat vs Republican? lol they are two sides of the same coin. The true masters of America are the figures behind the Federal Reserve system, everyone else is cannon fodder. The same can be said about Britain- Bank of England.
Whoever controls the money supply of a nation, controls its leaders. Period.
I’m already aware of this, it’s why i left the GOP immediately after Romney after i finally came to realize that D’s and R’s are no more than abbreviated letters existing within the same alphabet of autocracy albeit to differing degrees. On another post here i spoke about how the Diogenes cynic and the Cassandra clairvoyant in me consider even Cruz’s election an exercise in futility, since this country is for all intents and purposes, doomed.
Nothing lasts forever…inevitably every great civilization falls to the wayside, as it becomes its own worst enemy. JD Unwin and Arnold Toynbee’s works prove this in droves.
Don’t get me started on the shadow government that truly runs this nation, if not the world. I’ll be here all day 🙂
And the “masters” are Wall St. Well said.
Exactly.
I see the Trumpening as a net positive, a sign of life for the West, but I don’t trust him one bit.
He supports Israel “1000%”, has jewish grandkids, made his money in Manhattan real estate, FFS.
He is very much controlled opposition.
It’s just a good sign to see how far the goalposts are shifting for the opposition that they are controlling.
My impression is that Trump is a ‘renegade’ elite breaking from the pack.
Who cares. Being conservative means you get to be a door mat, and lose with the extra caveat of having to be “nice” while doing it.
A true conservative has the balls of Trump with the intellect of Cruz.
It may never happen again in my lifetime…the only reason Trump has that kind of chutzpah is because of all that FU money that allows him to flip off the pimp lobbyists.
Trump/Cruz for 8 followed by Cruz for another 8. Like I said above about Trump it’s “IMPOSSIBLE for him to be worse than the current piece of shit in office.”
If you can settle on Cruz/Trump then we are definitely in agreement 🙂
Please explain what you like about that Israel firster Cuban tranny Cruz, please. Please help me understand.
ed: this was for Ramos and Durt
Perhaps, but America does not need a conservative. It needs someone to take the torch to the leftism, and only THEN can the seeds of inequality be planted, after the field is cleared.
Trump is nowhere nationalistic enough for my taste, but he’s the closest thing to challenging the cult of compassion.
There’s no cult of compassion, you’re taking these people at their word.
Where’s their compassion for poor whites?
The most vile, baseless hatred you will ever hear is from these “compassionate” liberals toward low class whites.
They are status whores, sold out to the biggest racists in the history of humanity – the jews.
The idea is that one can only be compassionate to “marginalized groups”, if they could feel compassion for majority and dominant groups, then it wouldn’t be a cult.
America does not need a conservative? So what does it need then? More of the opposite? Seems like we’ve had more than enough of that already.
Trump isn’t the cure-all candidate that will solve all of America’s problems. Personally his strong support for Israel really bugs me. But he’s the best shot we have to get our interests implemented, and will shift the Overton window more towards the right than any other GOP candidate.
Not to mention, immigration is one of the largest (if not THE largest) issue in our nation today. Shipping out between 11 and 30 million criminals and securing our borders will do wonders for our economy. Dealing a strong blow to political correctness will only improve things as well.
He’s the best step in the right direction that we have. That’s how I think many people are looking at it.
What are your thoughts on Ted Cruz? Between a billionaire who benefited from sweat shops making his brand label and a politician who didn’t, which one do you think is more likely to do something about the II issue?
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/donald-trump-admits-gear-made-china-labels/story?id=13472355
TLDR; what you’re saying is that you’re a cuckservative.
No, what i’m saying is i’m a paleoconservative.
Nice try, goose stepper.
How can a Mexican be a paleoconservative? Paleoconservatives want to deport nonwhites.
I’m not a Mexican you simp. I’m an American with a Colombian-Italian background.
You are so wrong, if Obama didn’t do what he did you would be living in the Iron age.Look it up.
You’re either high on stupidity or just extremely comfortably with being ignorant.
Which is it?
One does not have to like Trump to dislike what the GOP establishment class is doing by relegating a large segment of its base to “moron” status. They are openly sneering and belittling anybody who doesn’t tow the Jeb! line, and are going out of their way to ensure that they consider all of us, even people who are not for Trump but like what he’s shaking up, as idiots.
These people like Wilson are no different in spirit or tone than Gruber. A pox on all of their houses.
There are a lot of better candidates who are either outsiders or have bucked the establishment. Fiorina and Carson are both outsiders, and Rubio went against Charlie Crist (the establishment candidate) and got the nomination in 2010.
Further, there are candidates who have conservative records and didn’t just let the Democrats do what they want. Scott Walker took on the unions, knowing they would try to hit him hard. He fought back and won.
Trump’s history of supporting Democrats and liberals is beyond dispute. In a way, I agree with using the term “cuckservative”, except Trump is the biggest cuckservative of all due to his long, and well-documented, record of supporting the left.
I wouldn’t trust Fiorina as far as i can throw her. She has displayed feminist remarks in the past and her views outside of gender issues are likewise iffy, regardless of her token adherence to the occasional conservative issue.
Carson seems to have a lot of heart, but he comes across as too diffident and inexperienced to truly sell me on an effective presidency.
Walker is pretty milquetoast in my opinion and he has a habit of flip flopping if people challenge him on his views.
I have issues with pretty much everyone (even a slight one with Cruz) but i reserve my deepest disgust for Kasich, Jeb and Christie. They are just out and out total RINOs and they need to be tarred and feathered at the earliest opportunity.
Trump is too non PC to totally dislike, i’d just rather have him be the token mascot since whipping people into a frenzy and making money is all that he seems to be reliably qualified in.
I’d never make him president, but i might make an elephant costume and have him do the rounds in red states for support 🙂
Fiorina has a pretty bad track record dating to her HP and Lucent days. Amazing how this is overlooked.
What about Sen Paul? He seems to be getting marginalized, so I assume he must be the real deal? I honestly dont follow politics anymore…
People also forget Trump’s 4 bankruptcies, in addition to Fiorina’s less than stellar record at HP.
I know people in the hotel industry. Them employ tons of illegals.
Now, hes gonna ship em back, make his own costs skyrocket?
Hes full of shit.
Walker is not as loud as others, and if there was ever a time to flip-flop or back down against the Democrats, it would have been in his fight against Unions.
Rubio is by far the strongest candidate (due to his high favor-ability ratings which are second only to Carson). Although his immigration positions in the past will haunt him, especially with staunch Trump-bots.
I think Trump-bots will have to come to terms with the fact that even Jeb Bush would be better than Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders. Or Joe Biden, who shows increasing likelihood of joining the race.
I hope, for the sake of not having Clinton, Sanders or Biden as President, that anyone who uses the term “cuckservative” liberally will support the GOP nominee, especially if it isn’t Donald Trump (who is, as I’ve said before, the biggest cuckservative of them all).
Agreed, not to mention the fact that i’d never vote for a female into office. That’s like making your mom the boss at work…a recipe for disaster more often than not.
Paul is decent as a candidate, his weakness has been with his record. He isn’t known for anything truly remarkably that he can stand up and run on as a portent of what he would do as President.
I tend to be leery of libertarians (since i consider them hybrid liberals) but i’ve always respected him. Didn’t much appreciate his remarks about Cruz though.
True he stayed the course with the Unions, but then against that seemed to be a very personal issue with him. You will fight the hardest of course on personal issues rather than impersonal ones. Don’t get me wrong i like the guy, i just think he doesn’t have the kind of balls to fight that hard on all the issues that need to be fought hard against.
I disowned Rubio from consideration for his amnesty support and his tepid support of religious rights. He seems ok on gun rights but his support for extending the reach of government when it comes to the Patriot Act and so forth is a thing of concern.
I can’t speak for anyone else but just like last time i’m NOT going to vote for the GOP Establishment pick of Bush or the rest of the big 3 RINOs i mentioned earlier, or Fiorina or Huckabee or Rubio or Trump. Walker and Carson maybe, Paul not very likely and Cruz definitely, but that’s it.
I don’t believe in the “lesser of two evils” method of voting. Voting for someone who is only a few shades better than the enemy only serves to exchange the enemy with someone who is less dangerous but also more likely to end up betraying your principles in the long run.
I wrote in “JESUS” last time when Romney won it and i will do it again…fuck the fallout. This country is on its last legs anyway a vote for a damn RINO or a Rino lite won’t change that, the Diogenes cynic in me barely believes even Cruz can do anything to halt the inevitable.
What about them? It’s called chapter 11. Read about it and educate yourself. Tax laws for businesses. Oh by the way he’s worth 10 billion.
I don’t know about the 4 bankruptcies, but one of them was cause by his cunt wife Ivanka when she divorced him..
Do I strike you as a liberal Daniel?
Why yes, Mr. Jefferson, you do.
Classical liberal through and through. Cheers, mate!
No, not at all. There are different shades of libertarians but generally the ones i’ve run into are the Ron Paul hybrids who are fiscally conservative but are pretty a gauche when it comes to social matters.
On a related note, Ron Paul himself has gone on record as supporting the Iran deal, which fully confirms my beliefs that just as he said years ago, he and Obama’s followers “overlap.”
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/248414-ron-paul-supports-iran-deal
I used to find the idea of different shades of libertarian rather silly, during my heady college days. I’ve come to realize however that there are at least two real kinds, which is, the libertarians you mention, and then conservative-libertarian, which I consider myself.
Basically I’m on board with regular libertarians, except that I disagree with their suicidal border policy (which is, in effect, no border) and I have no problem with a strong standing military, although I don’t particularly want it deployed across the globe or fighting in unjustified undeclared wars.
My “different shades” remarks was meant to highlight the stark differences between what used to pass for libertarian during the time of the Founding Fathers (classic libertarian) the Ron Paul type lib-con hybrids, and the rare “other” type that Statesmen like yourself embody, which you described as “libertarian conservative” which in my minds mean the proportion of libertarian to conservative belief leans more towards the C side.
“Basically I’m on board with regular libertarians, except that I disagree with their suicidal border policy (which is, in effect, no border) and I have no problem with a strong standing military, although I don’t particularly want it deployed across the globe or fighting in unjustified undeclared wars.”
Wouldn’t it just be easier to call yourself a paleoconservative, like i do with myself? You didn’t mention social issues but i gather from your thoughts elsewhere that you generally support traditionally conservative social issues. Am i wrong there?
You and i tend to agree 99% of the time…we might as well be cut from the same philosophical cloth haha
I’ve never really seen the difference between paleos and libertarian-conservatives.
As to social issues, eh, most of the time I’m of the live and let live mindset. Obviously I’m not fond of things where there are victims of course. Throw out the “War on Drugs” entirely, replace it with nothing, etc.
I guess the only real difference is in the semantics. The aesthetics of the philosophy matter less than the philosophy itself of course.
Oh btw go reread what i said just before, i added a bit more that i neglected to originally include.
The war on drugs has been a failing effort, although i wouldn’t support throwing out the baby with the bathwater there.
I actually support the legalization of marijuana in that it has far less pernicious effects than liquor and especially cigarettes..yet those are legal. Washington and Jefferson themselves gew cannabis in their estates…a fact which i enjoy reminding FF conservative fans about 🙂
I’m more of a “live responsibly and let live responsibly” type guy, but to each his own.
Rubio was elected ONLY because of the Tea Party. He did himself in with the gang of eight. He’ll never be elected again which is why he’s running for president. He was called upon by the RNC to split votes in Florida against Trump to ensure Jeb was the nominee. He’ll have a nice job in finance after he finishes his senate term.
I see Daniel upvoted you here six months ago. Does that make you his sock? https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e9f58849d5480103e0eafd1f99c5a9c9744bf3aee9e8e0d1b6d6587c9d1be9f2.gif
I think I know her!
OMG! What the hell is that, and I hope that’s some kind of random internet photo and not something you actually have.
I don’t own the item, but the image is worth a thousand words…
Stop up voting yourself Daniel/Shep/Jed again
Jed?
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You must be reading at about a third grade level if you cannot discern that Jed has a different, older, wiser, and more restrained voice than mine.
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What a genius you are.
Fuck Jeb. Did you notice, when he talks there is a disconnect between his body movements and what he’s saying. Just like his retarded brother.
Another intellectually-deficient post by homocon Matt Forney. I suppose when he’s not rubbing it to his fantasy of eating another man’s cum out of a woman’s vagina, he’s imagining more ways the world “isn’t conservative” enough for him.
Another of his fantasies is, apparently, that conservatism will be homogeneous in its beliefs with no room for discourse against his own personal beliefs. Thus, those who have sandy vaginas over “moderates” are very aptly named “homocons.”
All ad hominem with no substance.
There is no covering up Trump’s well documented political statements and Leftist supporting record I’m afraid. Nobody “evolves” and does a 180 on almost every one of his action-demonstrated beliefs overnight like this.
No kidding. There are a lot of issues with establishment folks like Jeb and Boehner. However, Trump is the ultimate cuckservative: he has supported far more Democrats and liberal ideas than Jeb Bush ever has. His support is on the record, and mostly in the form of *video of him directly saying he supports a certain liberal idea or Democrat.*
If a cuckservative is a so-called Conservative who has liberal sympathies, I can think of no greater cuckservative than someone who donated hundreds of thousands to Democrats and praised Obama/Clinton.
I may have misunderstood your initial post. If so, my bad.
Ad hominem
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy
Yeah attack the arguer and claim that the identifier is using a fallacy
“Let me explain what I mean. The Troll Party’s central characteristic is an ever tightening spiral of self-reinforcing and self-referential purity tests that makes communicating with anyone beyond the febrile and furious a nearly impossible task.”
Hah! The people that have been purged are the people to the right. SJWs always lie, and project.
Trump’s history of supporting Democrats and liberals is beyond dispute. In a way, I agree with using the term “cuckservative”, except Trump is the biggest cuckservative of all due to his long, and well-documented, record of supporting the left.
That’s called “business”. You pay lip service to whoever makes the calls, so when the time comes they answer your call.
“That’s called “business””.
No, it’s called being a cuckold.
Anal: I’d wager an Euro that Wilson wouldn’t even dare think of asking that same question to a 20 y/o hottie.
When JEB asked Donald if he wanted to apologize to his wife, Donald should have replied : “I would love to but my Spanish is bad, its a pity that in 40 years of living in the United States she never picked up English.”
El Jeb couldn’t even find an attractive Latina to marry. With his money could have at least gotten a telenovia “actress”.
Funny meme on that one!
Dude, that’s just wrong. Nice caption, I’m busting a gut over here. To be fair, there’s a pic or two of her circulating from 1984. She was a bit of a petite hottie 30 years ago.
Yesterday Rush Limbaugh pointed out that these races are no longer about ideas but about buying influence. He admits that this is how it probably always was in the past but that now it is more out in the open.
He’s right about this. You aren’t voting for ideas but for the faction who gets the goodies.
So we need to stop picking men and women who do this whenever they are faced with an adversary:
https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2015/09/rick-morty-butt-stuff.gif?w=650
Good pic. I would take Rick for Prez any day. Of course, he would somehow put us in 50 different alternate universes at once, but that’s better than Hilary.
A little off topic, but I found it amusing that Carly Fiorina – the only woman on stage – was the only one who gave a red pill answer to “which woman should we put on the $10 bill?”
She said no one, it’s an empty gesture. It was the perfect answer and she impressed me the most last night. I’m for Cruz at this point, and he gave the most embarrassing answer of all. I wish he would just be himself. I think he’s the guy to realign this country to where it needs to be, but goddamn he needs to loosen up and speak more naturally.
I wish Trump was conservative. He’s not a Marxist like Obama/Clinton. (And good heavens, Bernie is a card carrying socialist!) But he’s a liberal with a few non-liberal ideas. I would compare him somewhat to FDR — though FDR was socialist, he at least fought WWII to kill America’s enemies. I think Obama would like to surrender to America’s enemies. At least Trump (and actually Hillary too) would at least try to defend the USA against Muslim attack. But nevertheless, there are better conservative, true conservative candidates out there.
Yep – I’d been on board if he wasn’t talking about RAISING taxes and wasting more money.
Trump is the good kind of socialist….a National Socialist.
Trump reminds me of Arnold Schwarzenegger who also used to talk tough to Democrats (calling them, “economic girly men”), but who caved into the Dems on virtually every issue. This should’ve come as no surprise to conservatives since Arnold’s liberal record was clear, but nevertheless, conservatives hailed him as a messiah, which is what they’re doing with Trump who also has a liberal record.
Trump’s right-wing supporters are in for a disappointment to say the least.
Uses a rape threat for political talking points yet fails to report said incident to police… Remind you of any particular group of people in this country?…
Makes you wonder who’s really behind his keyboard strokes…
I’m a Canadian and have always had mixed feelings about Trump, Coulter and the ridiculous right down there.
Don’t be a cuck
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/732d6978a2796d951a956f2a7d1e67758583a909dd7e526e4e2440d93dd27d97.jpg No way, I am a Canuckservative!
Watching our Canadian leadership debate is as exciting as watching vomit dry. Trump is the loud drunk at the dinner party where everyone else is tip toeing around on their best behaviour. You can’t buy this kind of entertainment.
No one should be surprised if within 5 years everyone is too embarrassed to admit they were a conservative. They lose, they are gutless, they pandering on non issues. How much do they pay homage to Israel and yet barely any Jews vote for them. They constantly slit each others throats over who is the most “legitimate” and “nice”. It is embarrassing.
Deeply.
A lot of people are already afraid of admitting they’re conservatives. I still think the movement should be replaced by nationalism.
Is it me or does Wilson look like a defrocked priest ?
These days the only thing “conservative” about these cucks is hating on poor people and make it so the rich become richer. The rest doesn’t even matter to them.
Can someone clue me in about why CK was the cuck king? I don’t usually pay attention to comedians unless they’re being funny at the moment…
I’m drinking so I can’t find the link right now but he did a stand up comedy bit where he was advocating for White women to only have sex and breed with Black men to get revenge on all the Evil terrible White men.
Oh. Wow.
Well, fuck that ginger cuckfuck, then, and his weird racial cuck fantasies.
Of course, when you have a bit about eating crappy food and jerking off all day…
How are you feeling today?
Still drinking.
Well, get nourishment and drink some water.
He tries to put an edgy spin on liberal values and ends up sounding like a hippie with a loud mouth. It’s only funny to people who want their beliefs repeated to them.
Tell that cuckservative retard to calm down. Nobody wants to rape his fat fugly daughter.
I think the bigger story here is the fake candidates the media try to push to the front because they are freaking out over Trump. I read an article about the last debate and it had 2 pictures: Trump, the frontrunner, and Carly Fiorina, the last place, didn’t even qualify to make it into the debate among the 500 other candidates until she bitched and moaned and CNN changed the rules to let her in, the failed CEO who was fired after she destroyed one of the largest companies in America, this nobody that no one cares about. They are trying to shove her down our throats.
Here’s a top headline article from drudge:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/carly-fiorina-seeks-to-capitalize-on-post-debate-buzz/2015/09/17/8512131c-5d5e-11e5-8e9e-dce8a2a2a679_story.html
They want her to be a contender so bad, because she is a bought and paid for do anything she is told soulless weak politician.
Troll Party, eh?
I like it!
“It’s clear that these Beltway “conservatives” are more concerned about staying on the cocktail party circuit then actually winning the war of ideas.”
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I loathe conspiracy theories but the GOP’s behavior toward Trump has been utterly egregious.
Absolute proof the Republican party takes its marching orders from the same folks the Democrats do.
You’d have to be a sperg’s sperg to not see that by now.
It’ll be Bush or Hillary in 2016. These are the two that have been “chosen” by the higher ups.
I think Trump is a distraction, he probably isn’t even serious about actually running. He may just be doing it for free publicity etc for all we know.
I’ve noticed a trend among long time affiliates and groupies of the establishment cuckservatives. They all react to Trump with a degree of contempt not so much because they disagree with him, but because they see their promise of rewards for following the cuckservative establishment types going up in smoke. Trump wrecks the establishment gravy train world unlike any before him since he’s not a career politician and can fund his own campaign. This idiot preacher is no different.
The GOP had this one coming for a while. Trump doesn’t so much represent a party as he does a movement.
This is one thing I’ve always admired about the Democrat party. They always back their candidates to the hilt no matter who is running. You will never see a “cuck-leftist” the same way we see cuckservatives.
When 0bama defeated Monica Lewinsky’s ex-boyfriend’s wife in the primaries in 2008 all of the pundits backed 0bama, and all of Monica Lewinsky’s ex-boyfriend’s wife’s voters and supporters dutifully supported him.
If the GOP had that kind of cohesiveness it wouldn’t be the loser party, at least when it comes to winning elections.
For some reason just about every Republican leader since Reagan left has felt obligated to talk conservative then compromise it all away to the Democrats. This makes the conservative base very frustrated.
Democrats are much better aligned with their voters.
Because they take “winning” advice from Democrats. Of course, that’s about as stupid as any politician can get.
This is how Republicans should deal with leftist whiners.
Reagan wasn’t one of the Establishment. The Bushes hate Reagan, as do most of the RNC. He was the Trump of his time, as should be apparent with what happened in Nashua.
I’ll admit, while I find this guy’s meltdown ridiculous, I am not a Trump fan. If elected as the Republican frontrunner, he would have a minute, if any chance of winning. Too few people would take him seriously, and he’s admitted a lot of views that are quite contrary to the general conservative census, such as his opinion that House Republicans were responsible for the economic meltdown of 2008 rather than Democrats. He’s a likable guy, just not an ideal candidate for president, in my honest opinion.
He kind of reminds me of Herbert Hoover.
Hoover was a brilliant engineer and businessman. Made himself very rich innovating the mining business and running companies. Then he got into politics. He was a Republican but unlike Harding and Coolidge, Hoover had no ideological grounding in limited government conservative beliefs.
He thought he could run the government and economy like a business – and he failed miserably.
Trump and his supporters will ensure that the next president is Hillary. She must be laughing herself to unconsciousness watching the Trump shit show go down.
More likely she’ll have to step out of the race by that time, if she isn’t in jail. Everyone she endorsed in last year’s election got their asses handed to them. BADLY. That alone should show you how viable of a candidate Hillary is. Not very. The rest of the DNC isn’t looking too exciting, either. The only reason anybody even gives a damn about the Republican primaries is because of Trump, and to a lesser extent Carson and Carly. Trump is already looking like to provoke a Reagan-like voter turnout, which means he’ll cut across all political divides and get votes from everyone. Because Reagan was a nationalist/patriot, and so is Trump, and so are most Americans.
I thoroughly enjoy the media losing their minds over Trump. Their comments are so biased. Jeb Bush was obviously told that he would be the winner and now Trump is pissing in the punch bowl. Jeb can’t believe he has to compete and work for votes when he was promised the nomination on a silver platter. Trump’s plain speech without regard for being PC is hilarious.
This man is seriously unhinged. Just like his other #Cuckservative pals. A person who accepts SJW principles hook line and sinker and don’t know exactly what he is “conserving” besides corporate interests and lip service to the constitution ( what is left of it). This band of losers is going to defend western civilization. Don’t make me f#uking laugh! All he wants to conserve is his paycheck for his worthless advice!
All you fags need to vote Trump in the primary and the general to troll the powers that be.
Ann Coulter is a bitch but kinda cool. Rather than go all victim-y, she ridicules the lack of composure of the shithead. Ridicules threats by mangina cucks
…bellowing billionaire with poor impulse control…
Replace “billionaire” with “millionaire” and you have nearly every democrat in the House and Senate.
…echoing former president Richard M. Nixon…
Ah, Nixon the ultimate bogey man. There are few things the Left and RINOs hate more than a Left-of-Center politician who refuses to despise America.
trump has been put there as a safety valve by the powers that be. They know folks have just about had it with the b.s and they fear a mass riot with all the crap that they have screwed us over with for decades. Strictly theater. Trump may make it to the white house, or have a convenient heart attack at just the right time to eliminate him from the race.
I was recently watching a series of racist videos on Cut’s YouTube channel and I felt like something was missing. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbaGn5VkOVlcRgIWAHcrJKA Somewhere in the desert some poor woman is feeling left out – and I for one WILL NOT STAND FOR IT. So I made this video as a tribute.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyQcZdvPRgg
The GOP doesn’t need a deep philosophical conservative to kick them in the ass. They need a doer. Right now, that guy is Donald Trump.
cuckservatives is that a politically correct definition for a SJW cocksucker ??
Get rid of those old fake conservatives and put in some real ones!