Having practiced game for a few years now, I’m fairly confident that I’ve just about maxed out on my SMV. I’ve slept with a good number of females in the upper echelon of aesthetic beauty, including a handful of 10s, and have managed to steer clear of the pitfalls caused by said women that sap men financially and emotionally.
However, when thinking back on past ONSs, relationships, short to long term trysts, and everything in between, it became clear to me that there are quite a few tenets that are flawed with regards to achieving (alleged) fidelity with the fairer sex.
They had shown themselves to me over the last few years and even a couple of times during my beta days, but not consistently enough for me to put my finger on it. But they are there nonetheless and here are the first two that stuck out to me.
Dread Game
If you’re familiar with red pill game you’re aware of what we call “dread game.” Dread game is loosely defined as completely disappearing by cutting off all contact from a girl who is engaging in unacceptable behavior such as flaking, bitchiness, and the like.
The purpose of going off the grid is to make it clear to the girl that you can and will walk at any time. The idea is that longer you maintain radio silence, the more she dreads that you are gone for good. Her emotions, ego, and insatiable need for drama are all activated.
When this happens all she can think about is you and the possibility that you could be with another woman which sends her into a frenzy that manifests itself into endless calls and texts begging you to “just call or text” her so that the two of you can “talk and work this out.”
Most of the time dread game is highly effective but here’s the flaw: Most girls have more options than we do…especially the good looking ones.
No matter how many girls a man has in his phone that he could text and have there at a moment’s notice, you can bet your ass that each and every one of those girls has at least twice as many dudes she could contact who would be more than willing to come and bang her brains out in three words or less from her.
One girl I was fucking a while back got stupid and threw a fit about something I was or wasn’t doing (I can’t remember what it was but it was probably silly) and decided to cancel our meetup we’d planned for the next day. So I cut off contact with her for a few days.
She called and texted constantly for the first day and a half but after that she, too, went radio silent. A couple days later she texted me and said she was sorry for being a brat and that she’d like to meet up for a makeup fuck. I agreed, met up, and proceeded to let her drain my balls.
Mission accomplished, right?
Maybe, but not so fast. Her phone was buzzing the entire night from what were no doubt text messages from other guys. It didn’t bother me in the least because I had never considered her for anything other than a fuck doll (I fucked her on our first “date”) and my territorial instinct never kicks in for sluts.
The point is that if you run dread game for too long, a woman could assume that you’re no longer interested, which badly bruises their fragile egos. The need to assuage their egos overwhelms them so they grab their phones or jump on Tinder to find a guy who will reaffirm their attractiveness and desirability.
The opposite could be true, but given the state of the sexual marketplace in the West, it’s probably not…at least most of the time. If you don’t give a shit about the girl it doesn’t matter what she does or who she does it with during your blackout period. So long as she puts her pussy on a platter for you when you start talking again, it’s all good.
So what’s a man to do if a girl he actually likes acts up? If dread game can backfire how do you correct her bad behavior?
Simple. Run dread game but don’t overdo it.
Rather than cutting off all contact for two or three or more days at a time, cut her off for hours at a time. If she texts you wait a few hours before texting back and when you do make sure your texts are short and sweet. For example:
Her: Hey what are you up to? [11:44 AM]
You: busy day [07:01 PM]
You can put your own spin on it, but so long as you keep it short and vague and wait for a few hours before you respond you will illicit feelings of dread within her. The response above will most assuredly compel her to text you back almost immediately and ask you what your busy day consisted of because she’s fishing for anything that has to do with another chick.
This approach accomplishes almost the same dread as a two day absence would, but will also keep her from spiraling out of your orbit on the assumption that you may have moved on.
Matt Forney wrote an article titled All Women Have Sex Within 24 Hours Of Breaking Up With You and it is 1000% true. The fact is that if you let too much time go by before contacting your girl she’ll “break up” with you in her own mind and make her way between the sheets with another man. Count on it.
Again, if she’s a slut bucket you don’t give a shit about, cool. Run standard dread game and let the good times roll. But if you actually like the girl and want to keep her around for a while don’t over game her. Rather, completely withdraw your attention from her for a few hours and make her earn it back little by little.
Huge difference between the dread game you run on sluts and dread game you run on girls you want to keep around.
Pre-Selection
A standard tenet of game is that women don’t want a man that other women don’t want. You could be as ugly as homemade sin but if you’ve got an attractive female with you, your SMV always spikes. This will send their hamsters into overdrive wondering if you’re rich, great in the sack, or if you have high social status.
-Donovan Sharpe
The above excerpt was taken from my article 9 Benefits Of Having Female Friends. In that article, I included screen shots of a text conversation I had with a girl after number closing her.
If you take a look at our exchange via text you saw her initial hesitation to get together on account of having my on-and-off FWB with me when I approached her (my FWB was in another aisle when I opened her, but she later saw us together in the checkout line).
I passed her shit test with flying colors and ended up closing the deal the night we met up. Pre-selection worked like a charm in that case as it had many times before. However, this can sometimes work against you—especially after you’ve started fucking her.
Example 1:
A girl I had been seeing for a couple of weeks stopped texting all of a sudden. I figured it was because she’d met someone else or just wasn’t interested anymore so I didn’t sweat it. It’s all part of the game.
A few weeks later I ran into her at a get together at a mutual friend’s house. We briefly exchanged pleasantries and went our separate ways. After all, we’d only hooked up a few times so neither of us started to develop any sort of feelings for one another.
Later that night I was outside smoking when she came out and lit one up herself. We engaged in a little more small talk until she broached the subject of our little fling:
Her: “So I guess you’re wondering why I stopped calling.”
Me: <shoulder shrug> “Hadn’t really thought about it….figured you lost interest.”
Her: “No, that’s not what it was.”
I shrugged my shoulders again and took another drag.
Her: “I saw a picture of you and so-and-so at your place on Facebook. I kinda looked at her page and I saw that she tags you in a lot of pictures and I didn’t see any other guys on her page so I thought she was your girlfriend or something.”
She went on to explain that she didn’t need any drama in her life because she’d “been there and done that” and didn’t want to fuck with a dude who had a girlfriend.
Example 2:
A woman who works at a company whose building is next to the one I work in caught my attention back in January. She was a petite blonde with a great body and huge tits. She was definitely past the wall and probably headed toward cougardom. But her face was pretty enough for me to attempt to add her to my trophy mantle even if she looked to be pushing 40.
We met up a couple of times for drinks and the conversation and flirtation flowed nicely. I managed to get her back to my place twice where things physically escalated, but on both occasions I couldn’t close the deal.
Again, this was no big deal…nobody bats a thousand. I was certain to get a third opportunity where I would most assuredly penetrate that poon, so I attempted to set up another date:
Once again I was burned by pre-selection. I’m pretty sure Blondie here checked out my page shortly after I got the digits, as all girls normally do to make sure you are who you present yourself to be. But it was obvious that she continued to do so, and when she saw pictures of me with other chicks she decided to eject.
These are the only two instances that I know of where being around attractive women negatively affected the outcomes of my dealings with the second sex. What both of those situations had in common is that it didn’t become a problem for either one of them until after I had gotten physical with them.
Pre-selection works wonders before you hook up, but “post-selection” can and will burn you if you don’t take the necessary measures to avoid your current stable from witnessing your exploits with other girls.
Personally I’ve taken to putting my phone in airplane mode on occasion, deactivating my Facebook account for days at a time, and most importantly, set my account to notify me when someone tries to tag me which gives me the option whether or not I want it to appear on my feed.
There are other things you can do to keep from throwing salt into your own game but those three work for me.
Pre-selection certainly has its merits and works to a man’s advantage much more often than not. But some girls react poorly to seeing pictures of you with attractive women or getting texts at all hours of the night.
Sure, it may evoke feelings of dread and compel her to step up her game and increase her worth to you as is the case most of the time. But there are females who don’t want to feel like they’re constantly competing for your attention. They’re rare to be sure, but they’re out there…trust me.
In The End…
…these two game principles are a staples in a red pill male’s arsenal for a reason. That reason is that the overwhelming majority of the time, they work very well when applied accordingly.
But like I said earlier, there are exceptions to the rule. It’s better to be prepared for what will happen most of the time but if you really want to realize your full potential in terms of notches it would behoove you to keep these alternative techniques at the ready should a situation warrant deployment.
My next article will detail two more game doctrines that I have also found have minor deficiencies in.
Read Next: Can A Man Ever Have Too Much Game?
Two solutions. 1. No Facebook page. 2. Fake Facebook page with no pictures of women.
Or just don’t provide them your Facebook page information. Or keep your Facebook stuff private and only available to your friends.
3- fake FB name. Check this horror show out(of course, it links back to your FB account) the upcoming Peeple app:
http://mashable.com/2015/10/01/peeple-app/#Cqjz2Mw50sqS
In order to post a review, users have to be 21 or older with an
active Facebook account. Reviews must be made under a person’s own name,
and a user must indicate how they know the person they will review in
one of three categories: Personal, professional or romantic.
Anyone who has access to someone’s cellphone number can start a new
profile for them on the site. The person will receive a text informing
them who started their profile and “that they should check out what you
said about them on our app.” The FAQ’s make no mention of how the site
will check on the validity of the number provided.
I’ve been changing up my FB persona so that it’s strictly professional. I also use it to market my business. If a chick wants to scope me out she won’t get any dirt, only gold.
Nice article, but Forney’s “All women have sex within 24 hours of breaking up with you” is the manosphere’s version of the paranoiac feminist BS we make fun of. Add that to statements like “All sex is rape” and “All men are rapists.” Anytime anyone uses the word “all” to make blanket statements about things they have no first-hand knowledge of, alarm bells should go off. There is no “all,” esp. when it comes to male-female things.
I see what you’re saying here, but it wouldn’t be uncanny to say 50% of the time they have sex within 24 hours, which is probably fairly accurate in today’s climate.
true, they probably won’t pass up the chance to LMR the next guy
The slut defense mechanism eventually kicks in, depending on how distraught you left them feeling. Tension is good, but deep rooted hopelessness is a void they’ll find a path of least resistance to fill eventually.
I think Forney may have exaggerated but I have witnessed firsthand that while a woman may not necessarily get laid in 24 hours, she totally can if she wanted to.
And that is all the difference you need to know about.
Girls might not get laid within 24 hrs of a breakup but she can.
Like what Bill Burr said: The reason guys who bang a lot of chicks are players and chicks who bang lots of guys are sluts is because getting girls takes skill. A woman simply has to show up.
You strike me as a concern troll language policing faggot.’
You clearly lack the ability to judge on a gradient and determine, by context, when someone literally means ALL or just saying “all” because it’s easier to get the point across. Very R type leftist thinking.
Have a good day now, y’hear?
I’d just point out that post-selection is probably a good thing. After all, if you’re running game one thing we say all the time is to be direct and straightforward about what you’re looking for. It’s not just about getting in to the 40 year old who caught your eye, but also making sure she’s down for having a casual with you.
If she sees that you’re running a rotation and doesn’t want to be part of that scene, probably best if it never happens. Not like you can’t find other middle aged hot women who are looking for some fun between divorces
As the OP stated re. this 40yo, you’ll find them commonly with her exact MO. Usually the middle aged chicks you can flush out the truth about them very quickly, and that truth is what category she’s placed YOU into.
It’s difficult to coerce yourself into a different category once she’s made that categorical decision, as in that age-range, many have been ridden hard and put away wet so many times, they truly do realize the wall has arrived and they have to exit the carousel or else they lose future quality carousel rides AS WELL as any chance at anything that’s gonna last.
Naturally opening frame has a lot to do with it, and the qualify/dis-qualify can become immediate before wasting time with text chats, and first dates based on her reaction to your frame.
The need for affirmation mentioned during dread game, if run too hard, too long can also be realized by girls claiming they’re “Bi.” So throw that into the mix. Few women as we know are actually Bi, or true lesbians. It’s just an attention seeking lure to get guys interested. However, enough hens liking their pretty-faced pics after you stomp them with dread is equivalent to a DHV man replacing you with interest in her if you “over-dread,” the situation.
I used dread on a girl that took her 2 months to come around. She pulled some more power-attempt shit tests on me and I doubled down on the dread game, probably too soon, and I should have played along a little quicker. She’s likely gone for good now, lesson learned, but I couldn’t pin her for a total slut, and was unsure if I really liked her so zero sum was the result.
That’s why when a girl says she’s Bi it’s best to assume that she means Bipolar
Hey now, not so fast with the assumptions, Mr. Man. She could also be indicating that she flies a Heinkel He 51.
A woman with her own fighter plane. I wouldn’t know whether to laugh, cry, or run for my life.
I was trying to remember how many female pilots I’ve ever met, and you know, I can’t think of one that I’ve ever met in real life. They seem to be hen’s teeth. I know they exist, or so I’m told.
I used to go to night school with the husband of one of the few A-10 pilots the Air Force had at that time.
Fucking mangina to the max. I don’t think he aged past 13 either.
As long as you soft-next her they often boomerang back. I’ve had about four girls now drop out of contact for a year then reconnect for fun and fux. Just be magbiguous. Text or email em once every couple months with a funny video or cool event you are doing. Takes no time and the results can be outstanding.
Never ever get butthurt. Tease, touch, tell. Just keep texts to one-word “Cool”, “Dang”, “Ok”, “Sweet”, etc… Keep it movin and the toes tappin. You will be surprised how many return after a couple spins on the CC.
Has anyone experienced ads that redirects you to another site without clicking on anything while you’re reading an article on this site? Annoying. How to stop this shit?
Mozilla Firefox + AdBlockerPlus plugin/addon maybe?
I’m investigating the source.
The redirecting to another web page thing has ceased. Thanks!
Could be adware on your computer?
Maybe. I’ll look into it. It only does this when reading articles on this site. You read for a minute or so and then it automatically goes to a website saying I won some prize and my virus detector goes off saying that other site contains a virus.
This doesn’t happen with any other sites. I’m using Chrome on an Android phone.
So are their different variations of the “manosphere” ? One article i see you complaining about how horrible women are but in the next is an article talking about how to keep them around. I guess each man can devote his free time to whatever he sees fit but you could buy a nice escort for the amount of money you put in buying clothes, alcohol, and so on with the CHANCE of getting a girl.
Ever wonder why they want to make prostitution illegal?
Absolutely, and I don’t even think there’s a big conflict between the 2. I think most of recognize that having women around can be, at best, a PITA, and, at worst, a life ending decision. However, at the same time, we like to bang women. So, you have to balance the 2 halves of your desire; your desire to be balls deep in someone with the desire to not lose your life because of that balls deep encounter. Hence, game (get balls deep fast), married game (keep them around, don’t lose your stuff, stay balls deep), MGTOW (forgo them entirely, don’t lose your stuff), etc. All colors of the same thing, the desire for a man to have control over his life and not piss it away. Whatever that means to each man individually is what gives rise to the many different flavors of the “manosphere” (how I hate that word).
agreed. It just seems unnecessary at times to dwell so long on women but maybe because that’s because i’ve seen what they are first hand. The majority of them are money or power driven and seek nothing more than instant gratification. Play to their fantasy of being “mysterious” or “powerful” and it’s in the bag
Yup, you pretty much summed up “game” in under 20 words there. 🙂
Actually there are different writers on ROK, each lending his own unique perspective to a variety of topics. The assumption of monolithic speakers is a bit off base, imo.
I understand that and I actually prefer to read your comments over the writers article most time. It just feels somethings are inconsistent
Get rid of FB. You should control the flow of information, not random people on your feed, people who tag you, etc. Plus it’s gay.
“Plus it’s gay.” Truer words have rarely been spoken.
” Plus it’s gay.”
Well put. 🙂
very well done.
These days, getting rid of it doesn’t even solve the problem. I deleted mine a while ago and a girl I hooked up with stalked me via my friends, who take pics of/with me.
That is nuts, I’m only mildly shocked, but definitely feel your pain on that one here, brother!
Yeah I’m really not seeing the advantages of Facebook anymore. That shit was cool back in high school but now its not only less than worthless its a huge liability. Your employer can use it to fuck you, the authorities can use it to fuck you, your girlfriend or other girls your trying to fuck can use it to fuck you (not in a good way), and mark fuckerberg can and most likely will use it to fuck you. Are there even still advantages to having facebook beyond getting empty social validation in the form of likes?
The authorities… yeah, even though my facebook account hasn’t been used in a year and a half, and most of the info on there isn’t real (dob, city, email address, job) I had a small town cop one time call and tell me he looked up my facebook and was going to come pick me up if I didn’t pay $100 for a business license for a transaction I did. (That’s totally illegal, and I told him so, also told him I do not have to pay his silly license fee as I don’t live there and would be happy to forward him a copy of the law clearly stating I am not required to pay it) but the point is if I had my real info in there, who knows what could have happened. Don’t make it any easier for an ex, employer, cop, or girl to get info on you.
I *do* have the facebook messenger app, tied to a separate fake account, not associated with my facebook, and I use that to talk to girls who have facebook only. It doesn’t even have a picture or anything, I think possibly my first name.
Can you explain how your transaction details made it to FB?
That said, why do cops care about your licenses (more to the point, why do we need to ask permission to transact voluntarily?)?
This was a small town, and they are notorious about harassing people for businesses licenses and small fees. They harassed a guy a know for cutting the grass for someone without paying them for a business license first. I owned some property there and the cops thought they could shake me down and claim I needed a business license. I think they do it because if they scare everyone around into paying them $100 for a license, then they get real money. Yeah, it’s insane.
A slightly more honest way of policing. Normally, they wait for you on the side of the road and rob you for driving more than some “limit”.
Highwaymen: https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/f56ba4e2f9194c3e689f69d165518ca87fcdf6dbdc4171e6dcec3c7ff6d8b345.png
I get tons of spam mail from something called ‘fuckbook’. Don’t know if anyone’s ever been fucked over or ‘fucked to the left’ by posting on that site. It can’t be worse than fecebook could it?
feces book indeed
This can only happen on FB if you’re a jackass. I use FB but purely for maintaining contact with people I simply don’t have time to visit. From time to time this is useful.
No one can fuck you on it unless you let them. Don’t be FB friends with your boss, don’t talk about blowing up the airport and don’t allow people to see your friends list or post on your page. If chicks have an issue with this tell them that you live your relationships in the real world not on FB.
That said, I do most of my communication with WA or TG now. I meet chicks in the real world and communicate and/or share directly. I don’t honestly have a lot of time to upload pics of my breakfast, lunch and dinner to FB.
So employers cant ask you for your fb password or make you scroll through it in front of them looking for something trvial to fire you over?
Yeah, I’m pretty sure they can’t do that. If they do, and follow through you can sue them for wrongful dismissal.
Has this happened to you? If so, I would immediately contact a lawyer.
No, I now know that they outlawed being able to demand your fb password but i heard somewhere its still technically legal for an employer to ask you to log in and watch you as you scroll through it.
Well I guess its technically legal for them to ask you anything. However, if they ask, simply tell them “no”. I think they would struggle in front of an employment tribunal explaining that they fired you for refusing to divulge irrelevant personal details.
If this is a concern for you I suggest you contact a employees advice organization. Usually they will give you some advice for free, certainly about your rights.
I disagree, it’s important to be on FB, posting good things and proving you’re leading an interesting life. It would be easy just to tune out, but it’s ineffective if you want to become very socially adept, which is a key element to be good with women. Most women around 18-22 that I’ve met recently use only FB messenger rather than texting. Texting is fading away to exclusive use of FB messenger.
nah forget facebook… you’re more interesting and mysterious without it…. a very straight down the line girl was shit testing me about what i did for a job, so i told her i was an arms dealer…. worked a treat….
as a side note, girls don’t want to get involved with guys who already have a ‘girlfriend’ because they know that if they have to compete it will drive them crazy. it’s team fem. strategy, a solidarity they use on upping their value.
i’d say the counter would be to rapidly get the new one in bed with the current one and have them suck each other off…. now you’ve enabled their inner sex maniac and they’ll be back for more…. easier said than done of course, but if you want to climb a mountain you head for the summit not base camp 1.
All you did was lie about your job, which you could have done with a FB account too. Anyone can pass shit tests by throwing out by pretending to literally be something they’re not. Getting two girls in bed with each other is a tough task and not something you can just do as a counter to something. Attempting it is a way to alienate both women 95% of the time. Too often game discussion turn to the mystical world of The Game, Mystery and other charlatans at the cost of actual gurus like Roosh or Heartiste, and a sign that it has is talking about things like threesomes to counter competition among women. It’s not a realistic strategy.
I disagree. Why be a complete open-book? Nothing dries up a vagina more than having zero mystery.
I on the other hand are content when people don’t know what I’m up to on a daily basis. Why should I care so much about posting shit to give off the idea that I’m having more fun than everyone else?
Why not just meet up with friends and catch up rather than keeping them updating through some digital medium and thus making obsolete necessary social interaction which makes us human?
I don’t think FB requires you to be an open book. Obviously, I am not drying up any vaginas. If anything, it is a massive boost in the social proof department, especially when a girl (inevitably) looks at my phone and sees other hot girls in my messenger bubbles. I think not having a FB can dry up vaginas because it signals you don’t have basic networking and socialization skills in the modern era. Most people now schedule things and learn of some events through FB, and a girl knows if you aren’t on it you aren’t going to some things and you don’t care. Not having a FB doesn’t make you more mysterious, it just makes you a social oddity. You can have a FB and still meet up with friends just as often – I do. FB is a facilitator, not a replacement.
I feel the more disconnected I am, the happier I’ve become. Anyone who needs to get in touch with me knows how to already. Did basic networking and socialization skills not exist before 2006? Was everyone a social oddity before 2006?
Not at all. When you rely on communication through emotionless digital mediums, you become the social oddity. Just because everyone is doing it, doesn’t mean it’s healthy. I pick up the old rotary dial at the family cottage often. I meet up with people on weekends to catch up. I don’t rely on Facebook to keep up with people or to judge their ‘social status’. How many of my ‘friends’ did I actively keep in touch with from my list? Less than 10%.
Facebook is good for communicating with people who are logistically impossible to keep in touch with. Such as family or friends in a different country. But for that, I use Skype to keep in touch with my friends in Kenya, Norway and Germany and family in Scotland.
In an increasingly Orwellian society, you should come to appreciate having less information out there.
Things have evolved since 2006. The methods of social interaction change. In each epoch there are people who resist the new methods and cling to old ones, to their own detriment. There are healthy ways of approaching any medium.
They enrich FB every time they post content – and never get paid. I want to get paid. Similarly, I always remove branding from any clothing or luggage that I buy – why I should I advertise for them, free? And to you first point, yet, – if some one wants to know me, they can ask.
Linkedin is a very different matter – it repays every minute you spend time providing data on your professional competencies.
Don’t understand. You can control the flow of information on FB. What are you talking about?
If you have or ever had FB you have NO internet privacy. They have meta data companies linked in that monitor everything you do on the computer. Even if you cancel your account, they still hook into you when you’re online. You have to get your hard disk wiped or get a new computer.
The fact that so many people can’t seem to live without it shows the level of dysfunctionality in our society. You’d expect it of women, but the guys using it are just as bad.
The way we guys used to size up other guys or when the gaydar would kick in reminds me of FB. When I know a guy’s FB addicted, I don’t seem to notice his size or toughness, I just automatically think I can kick his ass or he’s weak minded.
Totally agree. Dude facebook is run by the SJW mob now, why use the stupid thing? It’s a shill invention anyways, never had any real meaningful purpose in this existence aside from destroying further natural human contact.
Only game in person, and if you don’t have facebook when they ask you for it, tough shit for them, you like to live a little, obviously they don’t.
I stopped posting, checking in for several months. This resulted in two plates that I used to spin, sending me a private email: where are you, what are you up to, etc?
I now believe that women identify a man who posts a lot on FB as beta. If he is posting, he must not be smashing, making money, etc.
Woohoo, Sharpe is back! I need my fellow Manospherians to
chime in on something: so a girl I’ve been banging regularly for about a month now (it has the vibe of an STR, nothing too long-term and certainly not marriage material as I have wisely sworn that off) every so often very passive-aggressively bring up the notion of us both getting STD tests so we can fuck without condoms. Mind you, I have no issue with getting the test as I have nothing to hide, but to me sex without armor is straight-up husband and wife shit only. I have no incentive for this and I don’t see the relevance. Do any of you think she has any motivation besides “Well, it just feels better!”? Sounds shady to me, and really, if she’s so ready and willing to do this with a guy she met at the beginning of September then how often has she done this with previous schmucks (she’s 32 and no doubt has some history)? Thoughts, pretty please?
Tell her you had a close call in the past with a woman who forgot to take her pill, so using a condom is about birth control for you.
Guard the rubber after the fact.
Translation: “I want to be able to feign being, or even get, pregnant because I think you look like a sucker that will take care of me now that I’m getting older and I’m totally tired of riding the carousel”, perhaps?
Oh Dear… what a horrifying concept!
Only if you watch her getting Norplant or other unfakeable b.c. while you two are getting tested.
Even if she’s infertile, an STD test is really only valid for that moment. She’s still only 10 text messages away from banging a different guy when you’re not around.
She’s only nine months away from squirting out little feverish.
When women try convincing you to go without armor if it’s her taking the initiative to go that way…. never mind breaking out one of those extra thick just-in-case condoms, just wash, get dressed and get the fuck out of there. Wanna do it like a badass? do it all without saying a word.
I’m psychic, let me look into my crystal ball…..mmmmmmm…..I see an 18 year baby tumour in your future.
A self-inflicted power drill to the skull is more likely.
I feel sorry for millennials. Game has changed. Its become about texting and facebook. None of this shit existed when Neil Strauss wrote The Game.
The essence of dread is about the relationship between your value and her investment. It is the potential for loss.
Your value (in her eyes) dictates how she will internalize (feel) about you relative to her other options. As we know, how you make a woman feel is the point of origin from which everything else flows. So the crux of dread is about demonstrating your value in ways that lead her hamster to the pellets; it is something she feels not something you “do.”
That said, your value in her eyes can be enhanced by how you cultivate your options. Which is not just about your ability to step away in a moment but more about how she internalizes why you can step away. People bail all the time. But this may not be because they have a rich life with many options.
Said another way, the value of dread is in keeping the dynamic from reaching the point in which there is a stand-off. Since dread is a natural result of her submitting to your frame, which is a result of passively visible manifestations of your superior value, a stand-off happens because something upstream supporting the power dynamic was not accomplished.
It may come to a standoff, sure enough, but ideally dread is not about your power to soft next or ghosting her, which is really more about invoking the principle of least interest, something that is only tangentially tied to value, but rather dread is about encoding the relationship with the power dynamic before it gets to this point. She needs to feel it. In order to feel it she must be invested.
Effective dread is the result of cultivating the ways in which your higher value is reinforced within the relationship dynamic, ideally with no visible effort to bring these value markers into her view.
She just experience these things which then make her feel. If she doesn’t make the experience-feel connection, dread cannot take hold. While the power dynamic of “who needs the ‘relationship’ least has the power” still stands, dread is about reinforcing and signaling to her that you hold this power, without having to take the relationship to the brink to make this determination.
The brink is where hard-dread resides, which is really a kind of ultimatum that happens when her investment in you and her feeling/experiencing your superior SMV has not fully taken hold or when a marriage or LTR has gone nuke-option.
This happens when “soft” or passive dread, which is really just letting the strength of frame and reality of your superior SMV play out within her feelings, fails to germinate.
When dealing with really high SMV women, there is significant headwind for sure, so the brink will happen with some women. And many women are just poor human beings. That’s why we have plates.
But most often dread has fertile ground. Most women have insecurities and most women desire moar. They may bang “like dudes” but their sexuality is most certainly not motivated and reinforced “like dudes”. It is a matter of continually nudging the reality of your superior SMV into view thus allowing them to enter – but only as a guest.
Dread feeds the cycle of her comfort and discomfort, security and
insecurity; she can bask in your high-value but this is interrupted by
the excitement stemming from the intrinsic power of your optionality that naturally accompanies such value.
Yes, this can be difficult when the artificial environments of social media and instant-attention-sex are where she spends the majority of her time, but the real world still trumps. Most women are passively looking for a man to lead them in the real world.
Your scenario has all the makings of dread but it reads to me more like a least-interest standoff, which these days is ubiquitous part of mating, dating, Tindering, and pretty much all M/F social encounters.
When a relationship is low-investment like with mutual fucktoys, the dread element has a narrow bandwidth to begin with. But again, most women do want more. Even if her “investment” is superficially tied to the consumption of your status or feeding her ego, it is still investment. Without this buy-in, it is just two people fucking.
As for preselection, it is one of the areas in which a man cultivates his demonstrable value. But preselection as a signal of value is still subject to how individual women experience it. It is filtered through their sexual strategy of the moment. A woman in her AF days will respond to your visible trail of poosy differently than a women transitioning to BB. Some measure of comfort must be available for her to grab onto.
From the perspective of plausible deniability, she can’t hamster away her slut alarms if you make your player status so overt that she already feels this going in.
And as you note, there are rapidly diminishing returns. Like dread, the power of preselection comes from her imagination, not the in-her-face(book) of your pussy buffet. Subtle is powerful. It doesn’t take much, especially for high SMV men. These days most women will already assume there have been (or are) plenty of other women.
Think breadcrumbs, not loaves of Wonder.
You should submit this to Britannica.
Pro tip:
Dread Game will not work on a woman with fully intact SMV.
It’s been said on this website, and I echo it, that the closest we could come to thinking like a woman would be to be high on tranquilizers all day, every day. Imagine that. Imagine what your thought processes would be like. That’s what a woman is like.
“Dread” is useless on a mind in that state. That mind is immune to it (that’s the whole point of being on drugs apparently). But nearly a quarter of the women out there happen to be on some kind of head drug, and that does not count the ones using illegal drugs and worst, those that took ecstasy.
They are incapable of dread, and because there’s always a line of thirsty betas out the door, it will fail. In fact a woman has MUCH to dread in this collapsing civilization, but she’s completely oblivious to it all, continuing to vote the country down the toilet.
If you study the “mechanics of Dread Game”, you will note it has echoes of the ways of olde where, for example, if a woman cunts it up and drives a man off, or becomes an untamable shrew, she has a good chance of starving to death in the next hard winter or ending up having to work in a brothel.
Thus the hard-wiring for dread is starvation and/or death. Women are hard-wired to manipulate men because at one time they could not survive without them.
Thus Dread Game is derived from that, but progressives and feminists have done everything they could to get women to challenge that wiring (while at the same time, enforcing the wiring of men further into taking care of women, and going beyond with a trope of “you’ll turn gay if you don’t (pedastalize) have a woman”). They worked the pump very well, women against their wiring, torture men with their own wiring. This is why MGTOW has become popular because you can only push nature so far until you get a reaction.
Dread Game works on post-wall women the best. But unfortunately that means post wall women. But as I like to say, when a woman won’t give you her best years, you are not obligated to be there for her worst. So don’t bother.
There is a common denominator in your stories…..Get rid of facebook
Absolutely. Be a total mystery where she has to be a spy to find out more about you. They always do that anyway. This way, in order for her to know more about you, she has to go out with you.
Curiosity kills the cat, so to speak.
Even then there are still the zombie women. Out of her sight means out of her mind…no matter how much she loved you a couple of days earlier.
And if you don’t use social media most modern women (millenials) won’t stay in touch with you anyways.
Absolutely. If she’s like that, then cut her loose.
Good points on both your assertions, my experience completely.
Exactly.
Keep the frame YOU desire.
Yes, wouldn’t this be a variation on dread game? In a time where everyone tracks each other via location app sharing and constant facebook posting, just not having your info out there drives her crazy wondering where you are and what you are doing. She has to actually spend time with you and ask you in person to find out. Eh, I feel sick writing that, but it’s true.
I wouldn’t call it dread game. Dread game, to me, sounds like something one does when the girl does something bad and withdrawing attention as a form of punishment.
Being a mystery and not having your life out there like an open book sets you apart from everyone else. If she’s into you, she’ll spend hours trying to look you up. You will need to be solid in your game/frame to give her the tingles in this environment. If her attention is easily distracted, your game was not that tight.
The point that she’s spending that much time looking you up and not finding much will mean she’s thinking about YOU. If you make it too easy for her to find out everything about you, it takes the “fun” out of the excitement.
But playing on the same principle of dread game, being that they can’t stand not having total access to you at all times, and when you deny them access, they go crazy. That’s why dread game is supposed to work.
That’s been my experience. I’ve never had any social media presence due to being in a line of work at the time FB was getting huge which strictly prohibited it for reasons of physical safety, and never bothered to start afterwards. In internet terms, I’m a f-ing ghost.
As long as your frame is solid and you handle yourself well socially, the ‘mysterious’ angle of being a ghost is usually the female equivalent of catnip, very similar to the ‘bad boy’ vibe in actual practice. From experience, somewhere around ten percent of women I approach think it’s too weird and bail. However, I have also found that these women are almost always serious FB addiction whores (way beyond the usual), and are absolutely batsh-t nuts. Good riddance.
Got rid of it a month ago. I’ve never been so happy before.
You could have reframed that entire facebook stalk into some chick crack.
“I saw your facebook page and you have a wife. You’re awesome and my pussy wants you, but i just can’t. Sorry.”
“Well I have a GF and I don’t. It’s complicated. She barely talks to me.. [insert calculated vulnerability game here, allow her to fool herself into thinking you’ll branch swing to her, etc.]”
The “I don’t want to be a Jezebel” meme is pretty strong with a lot of women still. Not as many as there used to be, but it’s not something rare even today.
If you’re of enough charm & high value, you can make any woman do anything.
Including murder for you and lie for you.
Never underestimate the sheer power of tight game, and the sheer cognitive dissonance & hamster of the female.
I’m aware. But most men here have very little real life game, and the ones that do seem to have larger goals. This is a learning site, mostly.
This is a powerful concept and I have come to more or less the same conclusion as you. Most women don’t truly have their own sense of morality, it is as flexible and transient as their emotional state and the character of whichever man they are currently leaching off of.
Woman has no mind, heart or soul of her own. In submission to her man she becomes whole. Without the man at her helm she is lost like an article of hardware without the software installed. She’s nothing but a piece of directionless gear blowing in the wind. The term ‘independent woman’ is such a joke. It’s the biggest non sequitor. It’s right up there with ‘GIANT SHRIMP’ or ‘MILITARY INTELLIGENCE’. . lol
This is true. Most guys go through life swearing certain women are just not like that when in fact the vast majority of healthy, nubile women ages 18 – 24 are all indeed like that when it comes to being manipulated by sexy, competent Men. AWALT. There may be extremely rare exceptions but they never make the rule.
Crazy isn’t it? You can understand why the Victorian era, and even the borderline insane middle east is the way it is when it comes to their women. If you let women free, they cause sharp declines of civilization.
This is very apparent when speaking to a girl who is clearly very interested in you.
Note how often she agrees with and “me too’s” you.
For example, telling a girl you aren’t interested in commitment. You’ll get a “me either, so glad we’re on the same page”.
Then two weeks later you’ll get a “so I’m starting to get feelings..”
You have learned.
Somebody here mentioned the icloud celebrity hack that happened earlier this year. I clicked on it. Only recognized maybe 5 out of 20+ of the girls, but it was shocking that even the “sweet innocent” types had full nudity or penetration pics, they are fingering themselves and using dildos and sending pics of it to guys who probably aren’t even their gf. Kate Upton, McKayla Maroney, Kirsten Dunst, the youngest daughter on Downton Abbey, Disney star Vanessa Hudgens, Hayden Panettiere.
When you see that you realize they are all doing it. And not just the celebrities. yup, AWALT.
Want to be depressed? Know what you had to do to attract these women (circa 1930’s-1940′)?
Make a good impression on her father. Have a future and a goal for your lifetime. Be driven and optimistic. Be polite and romantic in ways that today are mocked and ridiculed. And look at the quality of these women, compared to today’s skanks.
No “Game”. No psychological bullshit. No slutting. Marrying a feminine virgin who will stick with you through real hardships without complaint, nearly guaranteed.
We’ve lost so much.
Dibs on the blonde to the far right.
http://photogrammar.research.yale.edu/photos/service/pnp/fsa/8d05000/8d05500/8d05558v.jpg
And only attention whoring, rode-hard-put-away-wet, tatted up “pin up” models know how to do pin curls anymore…
It’s a crying shame isn’t it?
It is literally the saddest thing to happen to american society. We have lost our most precious resource. Quality marriageable women.
6 girls orbiting an ironing board. How proper puddin’ is that. Fast foreward 75 yrs and the six are still busy orbiting only they aren’t girls anymore. They’re GUYS, and there’s no ironing board in the picture. 2015 and you see Six desperado betas orbiting one black belt carousel ho bag who lays on her back like an ironing board, or she moons up or even straddles while sucking another. Like I said, ho bag 2015 who knows how to sling her pussy and who can take down any beta chump that enters her ring with her. With the rise of empowered ho bags we’ve seen the decline of ironing boards. I go into walmart and I can’t even find an ironing board these days. Dang.
You are not incorrect.
Thag was my grandmothers pretty much verbatim. They were still women, of course, but they grew up in the Depression, stayed home to raise the kids, presumably stayed loyal to my grandfathers, and admonished younger females to “wear makeup and a dress and have a home-cooked meal and a smile on your face when your man gets home from work”. I am not kidding; this concept is totally alien in the USA outside of perhaps Amish/Mennonites nowadays, but the fact it existed not THAT long ago kind of warms the heart, agreed?
Like what Roosh said about “World Game,” being a confident, good man with sufficient resources was enough.
sadly this era is gone, washed away in a tide of materialism and individualism…. better known as egoism….
the fact that no one appreciates, is that playing a supportive role is MORE important than the lead role… hence the expression behind every great man there’s a great woman…..
a busy working man (or woman), needs to come home to a peaceful, well organised home that is supportive and comfortable and well run… either that or live alone in a 700sqft condo with no maintenance…. which is a pretty crappy life in the long run….
the destruction of the family unit produces only worker bees and no quality for them at all…. if couples simply refused to have both partners working and one ran the house you’d have the old lifestyle we used to enjoy…. in 95% of cases it should be the woman, but where the woman works, the man has a shithole to live in and nothing but more stress on his plate… why bother….unless he becomes the house wife, which can probably work in some rare cases, but it’s hardly a new model for society….
great statement made sir.
Agreed Ghost = Great picture! I’m sure all pictured had monster bushes! LOL
To be honest I find the notion that women’s pubic region needs to be shaved clean of hair like a per-puberty girl rather off putting. Shaved neat and trim, landing strip, yeah that’s great, but the whole “bald” thing gives me the creeps.
The reason why game even came about is because of Feminism.
So if you don’t text reply within 4 hours she’s setting up her next hook-up? Just program your phone to send out emoticons and the occasional dick pic at odd times. See how long you can get away with it. If she’s already like that you don’t want to invest any real emotional energy into her anyway.
Facebook: the current epitome of female attention-whoring and beta male whiteknightery for 18-80 year old vaginas. Also, it IS gay. Which reinforces point number one! Tinder, Instagram, etc. running close 2nd in facilitating attention-whoring and the current decline exemplified by generation #Smart Phone Zombie. Thanks again Steve Jobs: douche
Is there any site on the internet where there isn’t white knighting?
I once called out a woman’s BS in an automotive forum and every guy there turned to attack me to defend her honor.
Yes. This one. Not only do we not white knight, we tell women and manginas to fuck off.
I’m no feature writer on ROK, but I’d like to add a few too. I’m engaged now but I devoured game material over a decade ago and turned my life around from virgin college freshman to what many would consider god-tier with women – which incidentally also made me an amazing salesman/marketing guru because the concepts are identical. Anyway:
#1: It’s actually good to have a quick response rate to some girls as far as texts go. If you can answer it immediately, just do it. If you don’t, she’ll text someone else. If you’re not in a relationship then use these to set up a date, but once you’re in one fuckin’ text her back and have some fun convos when you’re available. Be the most fun person to text and make her look forward to seeing you later every time.
#2: Internet dating is superior to the field. Internet dating has become very refined and the usefulness of it vs cold approaches has totally switched. Game tactics are overplayed and now more than ever all you need is a decent profile and some good pics. That doesn’t mean you need to be a male model, but have 3-4 great pics and you’re good to go. I used Army deployment pics and a few other interesting photographs to book and average of 3 dates a week on eHarmony with very minimal work (EH makes it easy and doesn’t require sending random messages to random women). Become a great Internet dater. Hint: It’s very similar to becoming a great Internet marketer.
#3: A lot of PUA’s and game gurus talk about having multiple FB’s and such, but more than 1 or 2 women at a time is very hard to juggle if you work more than 20 hours a week. If you have a large pool of women who like coming over and having sex, all you really have is a large pool of giant sluts who are part of other men’s pools too. You’re just sharing harlots with other dudes and are part of some meta-orgy that’s #1 dangerous to be in and #2 only satisfying for a very short term or if you completely lack any desire for connection with other human beings like a sperg.
“only satisfying for a very short term or if you completely lack any desire for connection with other human beings like a sperg.”
With respect, you replied to “Roman Dmowski” at the top of comments section about the importance of being on Facebook. Facebook, Twitter, ad nauseam, are DESTROYING real connection between human beings. We’re connected online, but everybody is turning into a “smart phone” zombie in person and are becoming very socially awkward. I’ve been studying body language and verbal communication for about 5 years and I can read people like a book because they’ve become so socially inept.
I don’t have Facebook but I’ve never had any problems with women. I simply walk up to the ones I like, look them dead in the eyes, and introduce myself. Now, as for more sophisticated dating sites, I think as long as you’re careful not to end up as a beta provider to a post-wall woman, then it can be a valuable tool for compatibility.
Also, people with Asperger Syndrome aren’t born lacking desire for connection (it’s not a fair statement simply say they don’t want to connect with others). They simply lack the inherent ABILITY to connect with people, and their failed relationships in childhood can often lead to a lack of desire for companionship later in life.
Why not reply to that comment where it’s at then? Why are you being so defensive? Usually being this defensive is a sign that you’re really not quite sure of your actions and are having a serious internal argument with yourself. You also get really defensive about the sperg comment which raises questions.
If you like the cold approach and such thing all the power to you. Different things work for different men. But, I find Internet dating is now the best, and that having a solid Facebook presence is a great asset. A lot of the best salesmen, such as Frederik Ecklund, talk about the importance of a strong social media presence, particularly on Facebook, and in my experience it has paid dividends with women and with clients. I highly recommend using it.
Just because you *claim* I’m being defensive does not make it so, sir. There is no deep meaning for me picking this comment to reply to, it was simply a matter of preference. I like to read completely through the comments section before commenting myself, and my comment was relevant to both of your posts.
I’ll admit that I am more passionate about my beliefs than most, but passion is a quality that is disappearing in the West, and I understand the common backlash against it.
My comment about Asperger Syndrome comes from about 2 years of experience working with patients (children ages 8-17) struggling to form meaningful connections with their peers, leading to future problems in life. I was offering you an educational piece of information, nothing more.
Most men come to the comments section of this site open to learning new things, myself included. I’ll take your advise into consideration, and also check out Frederik Ecklund when I have some time.
Gotta keep the cold approach sharp. Use it or lose it. If you had good cold approach back before soc media, then you’re likely stronger than others who pre screen and filter all contact through media. You think you’re a superstar on soc media but try filming yourself in action. Most people who are limited to soc media would likely appear like Napoleon Dynamite in their actual encounters. You’d be amazed how much you’re fooled when plugging into the media modem of communication. Your brain only ‘hears’ a reverb echo of the filtered electronic feedback so most people have a distorted perception of how they project themselves electronically.
I was lucky to meet the daughter of an eccentric wealthy music executive. She was privately educated and had no smart phone. She didn’t believe in them and her dad advised her against them. The wealthy don’t feed their families gmo either. I only ran into this girl while she was working for fun basically wearing a costume. If it weren’t for cold approach, we’d never have met. She was basically invisible on the web. Met in 2011 so she was genX/millennial but she didn’t fit the stereotype. I’ve only met other ‘disconnected’ types (meaning those who abstain from modern trough feeding and buzz entertainment) in religious cults but this girl, she was as real as a hippie flashback or an actual step back in time and culture. She could play several instruments too. Wealthy but not spoiled, privately educated and best of all pure. If and when the grid finally crashes, cold approach will rule the streets.
Imagine doing game or anything for that matter without practice. How many people can still use a slide rule for example? No one has practiced using one in 50 years. Men with slide rules put men on the moon in ’69 but how many people can even use one today? Giving up on cold would be like giving up on your legs or your tongue. Try not moving your tongue for a year and see how you sound ordering a beer. You’d be like ”aah wawa budwawa”. Use it or lose it, like I said.
I’ve never done a paid dating site but I like the idea in theory. I’ve browsed OKStupid and some other apps but never found a girl who’se not fat or old. E Harmony is supposedly for the church girls looking to get married… so of course it makes sense that you can find sluts there haha.. Some friends had good luck with snatch.com but all the girls I see online just look pathetic and .. to use their parlance.. “problematic”
As to your #3, if you’re banging them before the third date they’re sluts anyway. So they are still dangerous and only satisfying in the short term, even if you’re limiting yourself to 1 or 2.
eHarmony is a much better time than OKStupid, and the return on investment makes the $$$ worth it. I met my fiance on eHarmony who was 21 (I’m nearly 30), so it’s not all older women, and I did find many hot, interesting girls in their mid-late 20’s there as well. OKC is worth having if you’re single, in my opinion, but only to toss up a profile and respond to the messages girls send you. I wouldn’t send more than 1-2 first messages there a week, if that, and only to profiles I saw that really piqued my interest. I think if one is single it’s a good policy to have a profile on all the effective, free mediums (OKC, Tinder, etc) and then one profile on a major, paid site like eHarmony or Match. I prefer EH because I like how it eliminates the first message and you get nearly as many convo initiations from women as you’d attempt anyway.
Eharmony has highest barriers to entry. The fees and 10 pages of self descriptive bullshit psuedo-analysis. That eliminates most of the unmotivated people who are window shopping a free dating site like okcupid. The big negative of eharmony is you cant freely message anybody you want. Eharmony actually chooses for you who you can message. It appeals to females who believe the fairy tale that a computer algorithm can determine human compatibility. Match .com is more for women over 30, even the site layout feels like it hasn’t been updated since 1997. Be warned that paid sites enforce double standards that are unfair to men. Any woman at any time can report you for ‘abuse’ just because you aren’t their type. Obviously beta males are going to get less social forgiveness and be reported as abusive, where alphas are going to be perceived as confident or bold for sending the same message. The site operators don’t have time to review the message history. They have a policy that if a certain number of women reported you, then there must be something wrong with you, and you get your account canceled without refund or explanation.
Women in bigger cities are DTF by 2nd or 3rd date these days. If they are dragging it out, probably means you don’t check off enough boxes on their list of requirements.
Interesting.. I would have thought Eharmony was for older people and match was for early 20s post-college girls. It sounds like it is sort of the opposite. I got a groupon for match a few months back so I have a free month. Might as well try the E-H also. I am hoping both have the ability to screen for ethnicity, I’m hoping to find some single foreign girls in my city. Hard to find where they hang out.
Under 30 crowd doesn’t want to pay for online dating. They use free sites meaning tinder, okc, pof. Match is full of women in 30s and 40s, divorced, single moms, past their prime. I’d tell anybody to go month-to-month on a pay site. You get discount for long term membership but that comes with risk that they ban you half way thru because you questioned some broad who’s lying about her age/pics, and they all lie its just a matter of degree and frequency. Single moms who say they don’t have kids, women in their 40s saying they are in their 30s, women who say they’re divorced but are only “separated”. Match feels like throw back to late 1990s, AOL 56k dial up, in terms of technology and user base. Eharmony appears very controlled, for women who are freaked out by men who post shirtless pics on other dating sites.
Also valid points, but I still think his overall view has the right of it.
We have a winner. I have nothing to add or dispute. In many ways, Game is stuck in 2006. This is how we should evolve.
A better understanding of the biological nature of dread game may help. The natural state is polygamous. At a young age the female genes are searching for the best quality Alpha male sperm. The more popular you are with other women the more you prove your quality as an Alpha. They subconsciously would rather have 5 minutes with an Alpha than a lifetime with a Beta. It increase the chance of her children also being Alpha so it is to her gene’s advantage.
Once she gets to about 25 she would, in the natural state, already be the mother of a 10+ year old children. Her fertility and sex drive drop and she can no longer attract the Alpha male by looks alone. Her motivation is to secure resources for her children, as they come of age, by influencing the highest quality male she can using strategy and cruel, sometimes violent behavior towards the other females while establishing alliances and employing deception. If she sees your Facebook and you look like you are devoting your resources to another female she will look for another resource provider. As a women gets older it increasingly become a matter of her wanting your resources.
So the moral of the story is women older than 25 are genetically programmed to want your stuff no matter who you are. Younger women are programmed to want your seed if you are Alpha and the more Alpha the better. If a 25+ women thinks your resources are going somewhere else she will loose interest.
Millennial females are chasing alpha cock until 30.
They will chase Alpha until the fertility hits the wall but after 25+ they want a “relationship” with some sucker who can provide. If you have a harem on Facebook she will keep looking for the provider. Careful or you will end up raising some Alpha’s kid as your own. If she freaks out and stops contact after seeing your Facebook harem it is because she wants her hand in your pocket more than your seed inside belly. Once she has your resources locked down she will divorce you because it was never about you but your stuff.
Agreed.I just see women pushing out the envelope farther than they used to. Social media gives them the illusion of options maybe.
Agreed. In the natural state the Alpha of the troop was a superstar warrior and story teller. Most of the kids in a group were his with Beta males pairing off with the older females. Now they see a fictional Alpha as the ideal and can not treat a regular guy with respect. The everyman becomes the Beta provider. Elvis and the Beetles started it. Now it is Lil Wayne.
The alpha sees the virgin eye candy as the only virgin soil fit to plant his seed. The young nymph hungers for alpha seed as well. It’s mutual. In this model, an alpha needs not stifle his natural propensity for polygamy but like anything he has to earn it. No one hands you a harem on a silver platter. You strive to build it. You earn it. If not for the regime of sexual marketplace communists in power, this would be the order of the day and quite natural. They want to redistribute the ‘fertile soil’ and artifically make value added fiat commodity of the used up old pedestalized wallskins.
A sound theory.
If a girl cannot wait a couple days to hear from you before banging another guy that’s a girl you don’t need.
That said, its a misnomer that girls have all these options. Girls get approached continuously it is true, but they only care about a small number of these guys. More to the point, sluts aside, girls suffer from 1itis and obsession far more than guys do, to a degree that you cannot believe.
A girl who is getting banged because she doesn’t hear from you for a couple days is a seriously deranged woman. The other guys can keep her.
Bob – yours is the best post on this dread game topic
” If a girl cannot wait a couple days to hear from you before banging another guy that’s a girl you don’t need.” Hear, hear!
The issue with pre-selection is indicative of a woman’s fear. Women are terrified of abandonment. Of course this is only an issue if you and her want to have a relationship. If you don’t and you are just trying to bang, no problem.
That said, pre-selection seems to me to be a weak method of game. You need a girl around you to convince other girls to talk to you? Doesn’t sit well with me.
Pre-selection doesn’t necessarily mean you walk in with a girl already on your arm. I make it a point to talk up all the girls in a social setting if I know them, light flirting, etc then I walk away to my main group. Over the course of the evening the girls come up and talk to me, or flirt with me across a room. Other girls definitely pick up on this. That’s a kind of pre-selection I think.
I get what you’re saying. In your case, you are probably triggering the competitive instincts in a woman. She sees you talking to a hot chick and momentarily you’re by yourself. Immediately, she pounces so she can show that uppedity bitch what’s what.
I do this myself unconsciously. That said, this is a lot more domineering than dragging some chick around with you just to get noticed.
You follow me wherever I go, don’t you, you sick fuck. You sucked my dick last Tuesday and now I’m done with you. Go away. And what happened to your Honda? Sorry about the cum stains. Not really.
These “articles” are absolutely hilarious!!! I am willing to lay very short odds that the closest “Donovan Sharpe” ever got to getting laid when was he gave that other boy a hand job at boarding school.
Any takers?
Here’s a contradiction I’m grappling with. They teach us about DHV, how causing jealousy tingles in girls is a good thing to boost your desirability…yet I’ve experienced this backfire when it caused them to not feel “speshul”. Were they just bad eggs?
That’s called over-gaming. You can over-play your hand.
Dread game isn’t just radio silence, it is her being worried that you have other better options than her, so during that radio silence, she’s worried that you might be exploring those better options(run hamster run!). All those guys who had been hanging around just waiting for a moment to pounce, look all that much more pitiful. One girl I broke up with, said 3 of her male friends immediately confessed their love for her. She was not amused.
I think the best response to the whole player thing, is to say I can’t help it women seem to be attracted to me–maybe I should start wearing homeless cologne to scare them off?
lol @ those text messages.
when ur game so tight that it starts to work against you… i’ve had this shit happ to me the last year and change, after immensely improving my SMV and game.
and it usually happ bc im “too smooth” and the girl invariably asks the same kind of question every time, something akin to “so do you talk to every girl like this?” the implication being that, they think im a fantastic talker, but thats its “too fantastic” AKA im runnin game.
thats when i realized theres an even higher level of game one can aspire to reach: game undetected. in other words, purposely fuckin up, purposely being unsmooth, not overdone, but just enough so that the girl won’t get suspicious that she’s the 10th or 50th girl youve run this game, or said that line to.
Alpha male problems: fucking 15 girls in a month instead of 30, poor guy.
When she said, im looking for someone who will only be with me and only me..= I want a beta sugar daddy white night to fuck up his life so I can be a selfish bitch and have everything be about me me me.
I’m there for the pre selection, I’m not there for the post, so I could care less what the outcome is after I hit dat ass.
Wow, you actually met 2 women of a very different breed… and you won’t accept things for what they are. Mind you, this is coming from the biggest anti-feminist out there (yes, me). Those two women are simply of a different breed and you will never get along with them, no matter what you do. you think it’s a matter of ‘game’, of lying and manipulating better. There are women who simply don’t want a player. There are women who are looking for a real relationship and want to settle down. It baffles me how you seem to understand so little about that. I’ve only seen that stuff in relationship coaching, now I see those women actually acting out on it. Great! They were so damn honest and non-offensive. Some women will step back because you’re not what they want, they don’t see any value in you. You think it’s because you messed up your game, used Facebook wrongly or whatever. The incompatibility is at a much deeper level. You’re just not what they’re looking for and there’s no way to mend that. Hate my words as much as you want, but that’s the truth.
How is that fair for the author in the case of both women? Both have admitted to engaging in behavior that would have been labeled as deviant or uncouth for a wholesome woman (Sleeping with a man who has a boyfriend, or incessantly chasing bad boys). Now because they’ve changed their ways and found morality they deserve a relationship with a man who they deem fruitful, when they themselves didn’t exhibit the same sound judgement in the past? Nonsense!
There are women who are looking for a real relationship after they realize the party is ending, and their options are increasingly getting smaller. The author likely exhibited some type of reliable relationship trait that these women liked, but were set back because he did the very thing they were previously guilty of. Why should he pick up the leftovers of someone else’s good time? If he wants a relationship with a wholesome women, I would concede your points, however in dealing with most women today, game is necessary in getting sex. Most western women are not worthy of a relationship.
The cougar was actually shit testing you in the second example. You could’ve still banged her if you passed. She needed to justify sleeping with a player and you didn’t give her a reason.
So basically, don’t overdo it.
The examples given don’t show faults of Game in the least:
Dread Game: only effective in LTRs and after a girl is hooked, there passive dread Game is best – you having a grand life and showing your value all the time, maybe sometimes flirting with and looking at women with no shame – but that is something that many men do anyway, but hold back – so no reason to hold back on that. Dread Game is utterly useless or ineffective if you know her for a short time and you are casually seeing each other.
Preselection: Only useful at the initial phase. Afterwards you don’t need it. In example 1 of yours she misunderstood you of having a girlfriend and in example 2 the woman was scared by the younger hotter competition. We all know that women past the wall or even past 30 will rather run away from a man who dates hotter younger women. Otherwise they would have to face the fact that they can no longer compete with those young girls – something which they secretly know, but won’t admit because of all the moxy.
So the Game precepts are valid as always – just the examples given are incomplete.
It’s not necessarily that dread game and pre selection are inherently flawed in any way. It’s that you need to be cognizant of certain details in order to apply said principles correctly. In your pre selection case the only reason it worked against you is because the lady was a post wall cougar who truly needed to waste no time in finding her beta bux. Any more time wasted on a non BB suitor and her looks diminish even further and at a certain point even BB won’t be down to get with said chick.
The second example, was a cougar trying to land a beta provider. She saw you didn’t fit the bill, therefore, it didn’t work out. Its probably not your FB.
never been on facebook…..my shit isn’t anybody’s biz
I think you’ve gone too far in your conclusions. So it backfired with 3 girls? In your own words, nobody bats a thousand. Better to relax and run your game while accepting the occasional loss, rather than twist yourself in knots trying to cover
Every…Possible…Outcome.
Just my two bits, your mileage may vary.
Cheers!