Maybe you didn’t deserve it but there you are, talking to the cops. If you answer wrong you can earn a ticket, an ass kicking, jail or all three. Everyone thinks they know what to do but, having worn a badge for over five years, I can say with authority that knowing a few things can definitely help you avoid trouble.
First, a little about me. No, I never shot anyone but my partners did. I had my share of fights and pursuits, which I always won. I never had to violate anyone’s rights to get my job done because it was too easy to arrest legit violators without cheating; people are idiots. I never experienced any of the ratchetness that you see on YouTube except when female officers came out to play.
My motto was always, “manners are nice, politeness is neat but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.”
Who you are up against
Not all cops are fuckwits like the ones featured online. In most cases, the officer has had extensive training in legally getting you to do as he wishes without even touching you. For example, he has probably studied the Reid Interrogation Technique and “Gerbil Voodoo.” Also, his squared-away uniform is designed to stimulate your natural authority-compliance tendencies that you learned in school. He has also dealt with your exact same crime dozens of times over his career and has heard every single explanation and lie you could imagine.
“Please resist”
If you decide to step out of line, he and his partners are schooled in several ways to kick your ass and can easily, legally kill you with the tools on his belt and a few hidden ones that you will never see coming. He runs through scenarios in his head all day long, pre-planning how he will kill you when the time comes. He is way readier than you. You are entering the situation vastly out-gunned, mentally and physically.
You mall-ninjas think that since you spent a month earning a blackbelt at a McDojo and are “pretty good at talking your way outta shit” that you may win the encounter, but this isn’t your mom or a high school hall monitor you are trying to out-smart. Law enforcement officers use these skills daily in the real world and they are better than you at it.
They may look dumb but in many cases that is actually just a front to get you to become overconfident so you’ll screw up. For example, when I was on patrol I used to wear dark-frame glasses with prescription-free lenses in them because they made me look like a nerd. People assumed I was stupid and would try to pull more shit, which I easily saw through and got more arrests. Boom!
Would you ever enter the Octagon against a top-ranked professional MMA fighter? That is who you are against when you try to match wits against the cops. They do this every day.
Rule #1: Shut the fuck up!
The Miranda warning was written to let stupid people know that the only reason the cops are talking to you is that they do not yet have enough probably cause to arrest you. The only way they will get that probable cause is to 1) ask questions or 2) look for evidence. Eliminate #1.
Once they have probable cause, you go to jail, no more talking. Cry all you want about your attorney, which you don’t really have, and something about the officer’s mother, but he can’t hear you because he has already faded a Christian radio station to the back seat of his patrol car to drown out your pathetic cries.
Remember, you cannot say anything to the cops to make yourself sound LESS guilty. Everything you say will be twisted to make you sound more guilty.
Here is an example: “I stopped you today because you were speeding. Is there a reason why you were going so fast?” Here you think you’ll provide some bad-ass excuse to prevent a ticket like, “Yes officer, your wife is waiting for me,” or whatever. But no, every answer you give to the, “Why were you speeding?” question is just an admission that you were, in fact speeding. Correct response: silently hand him your license.
In America, the Fifth Amendment keeps you from having to serve as a witness against yourself, meaning that you are not required to say shit to the police, ever. If you are the suspect in a crime, you can hand them your ID and do nothing else until the encounter is over. If an officer wants to stop you and “just ask a few questions,” you can say, “No thanks, am I being detained?” If the answer is anything but YES, you are free to go.
“Can I resist?”
No you cannot. The cops can stop you for a reasonable amount of time to conduct a brief investigation to determine if a crime has occurred or is about to occur, generally referred to as a Terry Stop. If they detain you longer or arrest you “for nothing,” don’t resist, ever. Doing so risks your health and safety. The time to resist is later in court after you obtain legal representation.
During a traffic stop, can being silent get you a bigger ticket? Yes. Can being compliant sometimes earn a little goodwill? Perhaps but 90% of the time, a cop has already decided, before he pulled you over, if you were going to get a ticket or not.
“But Wayne, I’m innocent, I have nothing to lose by talking.”
My dear moon calf, yes you do. You see, cops have the task of rounding up suspects for the courts to try. They do not care if you are guilty or not—they care if there is probable cause to arrest you. Once you are arrested, they can call the case solved and move on. There are thousands of cases where the wrong person has not only been arrested but convicted, because the cops got them talking and they said something contradictory (suspicious) and ended up in jail.
He isn’t reaching for your participation trophy
Conclusion
Don’t do their job for them, make the cops work. The cops won’t be impressed with your legal knowledge, your ability to quote case law or the fact that your personal lawyer is a stud. None of that Sovereign Citizen bullshit will help you either.
You are facing a trained killer who got into the profession because he has a capacity for violence and has a desire to use it for the good of society. He trains, practices and constantly daydreams about ways to make you spill your guts and admit guilt in ways you can’t even imagine. The best hope you have in getting out of this encounter unscathed is never doing anything illegal, shutting your gob, and not resisting.
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Any thoughts on Scott Adams’ idea of trying to use the words “officer” and “safe” at the start of every interaction? His idea was to hold your hands out the window, palms down (a universal sign of surrender and disarmament) and start the interaction with something along the lines of, “Hello, officer! Let’s be safe today.”
It sounds a bit corny, I know, but I can see some reasons why this idea has merit. In the first place, having your hands plainly visible and disarmed, in a “surrender” position, shows immediate deference to the officer and puts you at a physical disadvantage for running away, fighting, etc. Using the word “officer” also shows deference, and emphasizing safety and friendliness signals that you don’t intend to be a challenge.
Showing a cop that you’ve got a planned script for when he shows up may up his defcon a notch or two.
Keeping your mouth shut is the best thing.
Fair point. You need the right frame, I think, to pull that off.
The hands-out-the-window approach seems reasonable to me, though. A cop can’t necessarily tell if your hands are on the wheel when he approaches (you could have a gun in your lap or something), but you are visibly disarmed when you stick your hands out like that.
If you are in a “must announce,” state for CPL’s, this is your best bet when the Police come up to the window.
If you do need to announce your firearm, you should be upfront and friendly about it while specifying that you own and carry it legally.
“Officer, I am required to let you know that I have a legally licensed firearm in my glove compartment/trunk/hip holster. Would you like to disarm me before we continue?” or something.
I would never offer to be disarmed. Too many Barney Fife’s out there having a negligent discharge of their own weapons. Last thing I want is for one of them to monkey with mine.
Plus, I’m not completely convinced they are planning on giving it back to me.
Turning on the dome light at night and keeping hands visible will definitely help
It depends on the officer. Once there was a “domestic disturbance” in my neighborhood and I was stopped a total of four times in a fifteen minute time frame by as many officers since I supposedly resembled the suspect. The first two were polite, professional and courteous. The fourth laughed at the situation after I explained everything but the third was a complete dick and I did what was mentioned by keeping my hands up and doing my damnedest to kill him with kindness. He still drew his weapon even though I was not carrying, cuffed me and slammed my face into his squad vehicle just so he could check my id card
I’m not a fan of having live weapons pointed at me. If showing my hands takes a bit of the edge out of an encounter, why not?
The ‘safe’ thing seems unnecessary and contrived.
Thays cornball chickenshtt stuff
Why would you show deference to a public servant?
Just be civil and reasonable. That’s all you need to do. Supplicating to someone just makes you look pathetic. Is that what you want your wife and kids to see?
A nice reminder that cops are psychopaths…
And they wonder why locals don’t like them
We didn’t like them when they were C-level, football playing, knuckledraggers in high school either.
If a cop is really doing his job he shouldn’t give a shit who likes him.
I have a cop neighbor, his apartment is full with stolen electronics.
well, I guess that settles that…
In Soviet Russia, cop robs you!
Try harder
Die in a fire.
SONY walkmen all day
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Now who is stealing who’s joke?
that shit’s always been public domain.
Die in a fire.
Id rather not
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some, sure; most arent. a reckless thing to say and I expect more from you mr moose jerky man…
I had too many bad encounters in my youth to ever trust them again… Why do you think I moved to a place where there are barely any of them?
i have no doubt you had bad run ins with them, but you just said ALL of them are pyschos…
that do make for shitty odds….
ACALT!!!
They are trained to do a job and often have to be placed into unpleasant and dangerous situations. Maybe if you had to deal with that for 60 hours a week it might get to you as well.
If the requirements of the job are producing psychopaths, then we should reform those requirements. Maybe cops only work 20 hours a week?
The problem is American society, if you have to deal with society’s fuck ups everyday I bet you would be bitter too.
Please, do not pretend that cops only became violent tits in the past 20 years. These fuckers are direct descendants of King George’s sheriffs and Pinkerton thugs.
LEOs are a hell of a lot less violent now than they were even 10 years ago. Not even close. Use of force requirements have been increasingly limited. Look at federal cases on use of force now compared to even 2007 and it’s a major difference.
Look at the incarceration rates from 1960 and compare them to 2010 well after the civil rights era, and two years into Obama’s presidency, the incarceration rate for black men in 2010 was 4 times that of 1960 just before the civil rights era started. Also white males incarceration rate doubled in the same time period. So tell me how much more enlightened America is in the 21st century than it was when it was a mostly white country?
You’re mixing a bunch of possible variables though. There was a hell of a lot of crime back then too, by all accounts much higher than today. But then we took tough on crime approaches, broken windows policing, escalated the war on drugs, etc… How much of a cop’s daily unpleasant interactions are over shit that in the 1960s cops would never have been expected to get involved in – like domestic disputes? I don’t deny that American culture seems to be headed into the shitter, but that’s still no excuse to brutalize people. And if you can’t keep that clear, you shouldn’t be a cop. Hell, I think we’d be a lot better off if we had a lot less policing.
I’m an older guy I remember how much America changed. The fact is that more people go to prison today than decades ago.
Reagan wasn’t the one stacking the justice system and turning cops into thugs. That started with Bill Clinton and continued ever since.
The Clinton administration got rid of meritocracy and replaced it with affirmative action regarding hiring and promotions. It coinicided with a “strange” media phenomenon when old, white postal workers started killing their colleagues (going postal).
Mystery that.
Wrong evidence. Prisons are big business. Lots of money locking people up.
I would also argue the decline of morality and sense of shame had much to do with it.
Well congrats, we are violating people’s rights much less now than 10 years ago.
You might not like the preogession, but a decade isn’t a very long time frame.
Cops do not have to be cops, it is a priviledge to work as a policeman, many people apply for jobs in the police force. It is the responsibility of the police to accept only the most respectable candidates.
I get your point, but this is no excuse to tolerate this kind of behavior. If a cop gets jaded to the point where he forgets that he’s supposed to act professionally, it’s time for him to find a new job.
“I was just following orders….”
“…got into the profession because he has a capacity for violence and has a desire to use it for the good of society.”
I’m sure you meant to say, “I became a cop because I want to help people.” You never publicly state the truth. Heh.
And if you’re a cop who is being charged after an internal investigation, the same rules apply: shut up and do NOT waive your rights.
He meant to say he’s a pawn for government policy. Soldiers in the military are even more predisposed to violence and are used the same way. They are the fist of the government’s arm.
I’m an Iraq vet, but thanks for your concern.
You are probably aware Israel trains US police officers. They have been doing it since George W Bush former moron in chief.
Have a nice day.
So not true
You clearly not in the real world. Since Bush Jr was in office, he allowed Israelis to train US police in various paramilitary roles. Of all the Western nations, Israeli cops really look like soldiers.
Never even heard of it the four years I was a cop. Bush 43 was president when I was a cop. Your tinfoil hat must be askew.
Cops should be sheepdogs; capable of violence but disposed to protect the sheep from the wolves. You don’t want a sheep as a cop
Lets be honest though. Cops are wolves in sheeps’ clothing.
Your from the UK, cops in Western Europe are very different from the US.
Thank you for telling me… what I already know…
Have you gotten a look at how they dress the past 8 years in the US?
They are a paramilitary force just like the ones in banana republics.
I have actually. Especially in NYC they look slovenly. That mode of dress is creeping over to London.
but ‘americanbob’ just doesn’t have the right ring to it.
That has been true for many years. I remember going there as a new LA Sheriff’s deputy in the late 80s and being shocked at how sloppy the NYPD looked. And still do, apparently.
VIrginia Troopers (when I lived there) always look pristine and proud to me. It always added to their authority and they also acted with real professionalism while they wrote you a ticket. Even though I wasn’t happy about getting a ticket I never felt like it was personal or that they were being threatening.
NYC however… they looked like the police in some third world African country. Slumping against fixtures, dressed like they should be fixing an industrial boiler rather than fighting crime.
On board with the sheepdog parable, but it’s mandated that each department have a sheep quota to fulfill. In the old days if a guy wasn’t trusted in the department, he/she wouldn’t last. Now? Fugetaboutit. I have bud who stayed and he has 2 years to retirement and he is trying to talk the younger guys out of being cops and move on to better careers.
The watchdogs and wolves are the same animal, different names. One waits for the sheep to be prepared to eat, the other sez nothing and eats right now. The sheep, never wins, is always dinner.
Sheepdogs work for the Shepard, not the Sheep. Sheep get periodically fleeced, and sometime eaten.
True, but it is not the fault of the sheepdog. All he is doing is trying to protect the flock and despite his best efforts, bad things still happen to the unwitting sheep.
Also sometimes sheep make personal bad decisions, but that is opening another topic belonging to another chapter.
Officer candidate during oral board interview “I want to become an officer to help people”
Gruff old sgt on the civil service committee, “Why not become a librarian? They help people all the time”
Need a bachelor’s to become a Librarian. Not even kidding. I was looking at a position, you needed to have a Master’s in something something Librarianism.
You mean you need to be a woman with a useless degree.
Exactly
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On the NYC cop cars are the words “Courtesy, Professionalism, Respect.”
CPR.
Geograpy, local customs, procedures & recruitment pools = different experiences may vary
a guy who used to hang in a local pub was a background investigator for applicants- told me the bar was lowered to make sure there was enough diversity..
Heard the same. There is also a correlation that the higher the diversity of the PD, the increase in brutality allegations and law suits.
Thats what happens when you drop standards to fulfill a social engineering quota.
Like the Australian lady who was shot recently by the Somali ‘diversity’ hire.
maybe she mouthed off.
The infidel whore didn’t have her head covered either & was out there half naked in her pajamas…any good Muslim would tell you she had it coming.
Yup. Keep in mind when the kick-ass-female cop or affirmative action hire needs to get physical, they tend to be quicker to escalate the level of force to maintain control of the situation.
More dead people (like your example), lawsuits costing taxpayers, more corruption and a demoralized and subpar PD that will be filled with inferior personnel (eg. Chris Dorner).
Welcome to society at large.
Or they get their asses kicked, or get the male who is forced to play daddy for them killed.
There was a case a few years back, a massive black guy was being escorted by an overweight 50-year old black female officer. He overpowered her, took her weapon, beat her into a coma, w/ permanent brain damage, then proceeded to kill his judge, a reporter, a cop, and an ICE agent. He also beat the shit out of an old, overweight male cop in the process.
Oh yes. A lot never makes into the press. Women are liabilities to everyone.
She shoulda just dummied up, or at least stifled it.
Give them doughnuts, then run, if they have a dog hopefully you have a ham sandwich or something for him.
Walking through the front gate of a military installation one day while they were doing random searches of cars using a dog. Both handler and his buddy were really bored.
Dog is in a car and suddenly lunges forward, handler yells- ‘he’s found something’, his buddy immediately grabs the driver who looks utterly baffled. Dogs head snaps up and….he’s wolfing down a powdered doughnut, powdered sugar and bits of donut flying everywhere. Everybody starts busting down laughing, can’t control the dog who’s diving in for more… except the driver who’s frantically yelling the donuts are for his shop cuz’ it’s his turn and his supervisor is gonna kill him now …
So, dogs will be happy with doughnuts as well…
I didn’t think dogs would like doughnuts that much, that makes it easier since I won’t have to carry a ham sandwich just for the dog.
Well, that dog might have been unusual—but there were doughnut crumbs all over the inside of the car by the time they finally dragged him out– the last of a crueler disappearing down his throat.
Thanks for sharing. lol
Mmmmm dog fried rice…..
Basically the conclusion that I draw from this article is that we need to get rid of cops. Who needs a uniformed “civil” army running around thinking about how they are going to kill us? The rulers do. This was the reason Britain created the police force shortly after the French Revolution. To tax and control. To Protect and Serve the Masters.
Spoken like a true sheep; they see the sheepdog’s teeth, pointy snout and see “wolf.” They get pissed because once in a while the sheepdog nips their heels to keep them in line. They don’t like the sheepdog because he reminds them of the real danger in the world and they’d rather not think about such things. The sheep wish the sheepdog would cash in his teeth, paint himself white and say, “baaaa.”
Until the real wolf arrives, then the sheep all run and hide behind the sheepdog.
Until there is a drug-crazed rapist kicking in your daughter’s door at 2am and you are fifty miles away. Then you want the ultimate warrior to come kick some ass.
Peace-loving people sleep well at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
You speak like a bully. You should keep in mind that your bragging about being able to kill doesn’t scare me and won’t scare many of us on this site. Most of us are trained to kill. I have been training in techniques lethal and non-lethal for decades. The difference is that people like me train to avoid conflict while people like you go out looking for it. I train for that moment when some sick killer threatens my family and I will die before I let it happen.
You train to take people’s money off them at traffic stops and put your boot on their face when they (please) resist. You have no intention of giving your life for anyone because officer safety is paramount. You will never do violence on anyone’s behalf except your own and those that you serve.
A sheepdog will die to protect the flock. A wolf will flee when the odds turn against him.
I wish I could up vote you 1000 times for that one!
And he probably expects to be treated like a “hero” for his “service.”
Thanks brother.
The ultimate warrior…lol a legend in his own mind.
Nope, I do for myself nicely thank you. The only thing a cop needs to do is write the report and call a meat wagon for the body. Castle doctrine baby, when seconds count, the “law” is always somewhere else. You will get no such “hero” worship from me.
And chalk to draw the body outline. The last place they want to be is between some armed street thugs and a Mundane.
Only a sheep would think cops are the sheepdogs.
Passing a cop on the highway on the way to work, I understand how a school of bait fish feel while swimming past a shark. At some point, he is going to prey upon on of us to get some revenue for his political masters.
Perfect analogy
“Peace-loving people sleep well at night because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.”
Your preference for rough men is noted. But wearing a police uniform at the Man Hole is not the same thing.
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Glad you liked it.
Ha, there really was a bad in Norfolk called the Manhole
Perhaps once. Now, we pretty much recognize that anybody that encounters a cop stands upon the edge of experiencing serious violence, no matter who you are, or what you have or have not done. Out of shape suburban dads are just about as likely to get beaten down as hardened gangsters.
The sight of a cop is never a welcome one anymore. Not ever. If I was in danger, I put more faith in my neighbors to defend me than I do any cop. If I need help or have an emergency, I think of the presence of an officer as an additional problem/danger, rather than a solution.
Nothing I’ve written here makes me happy– it is a disgusting state of affairs. But I’ve spoken true.
I would love not to fear the cops. Truly – the service they are intended to provide is noble and just, and I support it 100%.
But when I see a law enforcement vehicle, my blood runs cold. I’ve been pulled over and fined for nothing (literally, in one case – town with a single stop sign, cop waiting for any vehicle he doesn’t recognize so he can charge them with rolling stop, even if they sat at the sign for a few seconds looking up which way to turn).
The assholes in this country deserve 100% of the blame, whether they’re among the elites or the cops or the idiotic populace. Bad citizens breed resentful cops, resentful cops breed resentful regular folks, resentment in general inspires asshole elites to double down.
I am not wise enough to grasp how all our social capital disappeared. But I know this:
This ain’t the way it’s supposed to be.
It wasn’t always this torqued.
The law, and it’s enforcement, is supposed to be the glue that holds communities together. It is not supposed to be a bludgeon against the citizenry or an escape hatch for the elite.
Dude the whole sheepdog metaphor is retarded. Its an idiotic story some colonel came up with to make second class citizens out of people not in government.
>Spoken like a true sheep; they see the sheepdog’s teeth, pointy snout and see “wolf.” They get pissed because once in a while the sheepdog nips their heels to keep them in line.
Cops are not sheep dog because as englishbob said the sheepdog will die for the flock while the cops will run away in any real case of danger (such as during the LA riots when they were nowhere to be found).
Even so the sheepdog does not go and murder the sheep.
>They don’t like the sheepdog because he reminds them of the real danger in the world and they’d rather not think about such things
Danger exists and that is why i am accept it and i accept my coming death. There is no sheepdog protecting you when shit its the fan you either survive it somehow by winning the fight or surviving your injuries or you die. You have to defend yourself in life the pig cops won’t help your ass when you need them the most and you can’t rely on them.
>Until there is a drug-crazed rapist kicking in your daughter’s door at 2am and you are fifty miles away. Then you want the ultimate warrior to come kick some ass.
She must defend herself then and she will either beat the drug crazed rapist, get raped and survive or die either way the first 2 options make her stronger as she will know how to defeat drug crazed rapists.
I don’t want an ultimate warrior.
I want a guy who understands that I have certain unalienable rights granted by my creator as opposed to some words on paper that can be excused when convenient.
I want a guy who will respect that he doesn’t have extra rights because he has a badge.
I want a guy who understands I want to be able to go home at the end of his shift too.
So until I see good cops locking up these so called “few bad apples,” Fuck them.
Also, for your drug crazed rapist story and canine masturbatory analogy….you aren’t the only bad motor scooter on the block. Lots of guys out here have seen a thing or two and aren’t dependent on your ilk to protect themselves or their families. So take you stolen moto-quote and shove it up your bullying ass.
The man who wants to protect himself is a sheep and the one who want’s to rely on a group of people he does not know is not a sheep. That’s some mental gymnastics if I’ve ever seen some.
Bloody Peelers
i’m all for law and order but you sound like a typical little piggy
a.c.a.b
The two big things to remember about traffic stops is to immediately hand over your driver’s license, vehicle registration and proof of insurance to the officer and secondly, make sure you sign the tickets upon receiving them. You should politely decline to answer any questions and refuse to consent to any searches but you must identify yourself and sign the tickets if you don’t want to be arrested.
If you don’t identify yourself to the officer during a traffic stop, then he has no other choice other than to arrest you and put you in jail. At that point they might get around to verifying your identity. As for signing the ticket, this is your habeas corpus right. If you don’t sign the ticket, again you will have to be arrested, put in jail and then hauled before a judge so that the charges can be explained to you.
Fight the ticket in court with the judge, not on the side of the road with a cop. You might not win in the former, but you will always lose with the latter.
Arguing with a cop is like arguing with a waiter; sure you may ‘win’ the argument, but they WILL get the last laugh.
You will not litigate the case at the side of the road.
In all the times I’ve been pulled over the cop already had plenty of evidence for me to get a ticket. I just see staying quiet as the “don’t help” part of it.
Unless you can read minds, the proper and honest response to the question, “Do you know why I pulled you over?” is, “No sir.”
Been pulled over a number of times, assuming it was for speeding (I was), in each case it was for something else I wasn’t doing. They verified, then away I went. You’re not required to make a confession at the roadside, and if he believes you did something– see below about the roadside isn’t where you litigate his accusations.
I’ve never been asked this question. Every time I’ve been pulled over the officer would always tell me “The reason I pulled you over was for ______.”
My daughter has gotten my lecture on dealing with the police, and seen the videos by the lawyer Duane (see above). She watched her mother answer the question, and noticed the officer didn’t get out his ticket book until her mom said– because I was speeding. My daughter had thought it was gonna be about a sudden lane change a few moments earlier…
Weirdest was being told, after a somewhat lengthy roadside interrogation, that it was due to my rear license plate light being out. Got home, checked it out and BOTH rear license plate bulbs were fine.
Right, I’ve never even been able to get a word in.
It must have been quota time.
I was fortunate the last time I got pulled over for a burned out light violation. The officer had me get out of the car to look for myself.
Yeah I always answer the invitation to lie “do you know how fast you were going?” With an unblinking “yes.”
I figured he was hoping to ‘smell alcohol’ or something …. just an excuse to get a closer look at me.
Every time I see someone argue with a waiter, I laugh. I don’t even want to imagine what kind of crap they are doing to the bastard’s food in the back.
EXACTLY!
I was at a big lunch with a group of coworkers when one of them got into a stupid snit-fit with the waiter over the appetizer. She punctuated her little tirade by insulting the waiter’s looks and then waving him away like he was a petty nuisance or something.
I stood up, put down enough cash to cover my part of the appetizer and drinks, and just left. I wasn’t going to chance that whatever they were going to do to her food wouldn’t also be done to mine.
Yeah, you don’t want to be part of the collateral damage of what she had coming….
People who treat waitstaff like shit have never worked a day in a restaurant. I once saw a guy piss in some dude’s drink. I never did this type of thing myself, but I didn’t give a fuck if someone got the last laugh on some rude prick.
You’re a Good Man.
I’m always pretty low-key, but this is one thing that gets me incensed…
I’ve experienced what you mentioned too many times in the past with my now “ex” sister-in -law. Every family get together at a restaurant, no matter the quality of the food or service, would result in her attacking the waitstaff and causing a scene. I’ve lost count, the amount of times over the years that I’ve left extra $$$ on the table and pulled the server aside to apologize for my sister-in-law’s vile behavior.
The last incident (about 3 years ago) resulted in the restaurant manager coming to the table to apologize and said that the server “will be reprimanded“… This really lit my ass up, so on the way out, my wife and I approached the manager and asked to speak with the server; the poor girl was in tears and I told the manager to give her a raise and promote her for her professionalism. This particular incident marked the very last time we attended a dinner with this insufferable Cunt. Oh, BTW, the server is now the assistant manager and greets every time we dine.
I grew up in the restaurant business, and I hold food sacred. Anybody who is willing to “serve you” should be shown the highest level of respect.
Treating people in the service industry, etc. like shit is an indicator of serious flaw(s) in character…I had heard this before but I had a temporary roommate that really drove this lesson home
Good on you for speaking up for the waitress’s behalf.
A small litmus test I used to do with dates is watch how she would interact with service staff to get idea what she is actually like. It was pretty accurate.
My parents would cause this sort of crap in the 90’s. I wouldn’t eat the food when it was brought. When they said ‘aren’t you hungry’ I said ‘you just got my food fucked with’.
You… you’re all right.
I get the idea of not saying anything and generally rebuffing a cop’s leading questions. But being a dick while asserting your rights seems like an invitation for the cop to give you as much grief as he can legally get away with.
I don’t mean telling him “Fuck you pig, I don’t gotta say shit to you!”, just stand-offish calculated rudeness like answering “Am I being detained?” like a broken record or quoting the 5th Amendment.
Is there a happy medium?
I wouldn’t say “am I being detained” because as per the Supreme Court, a police officer does have the authority to temporarily detain you during a traffic stop if he has reasonable suspicion that you’ve committed a crime. I.e., he clocks you speeding, you aren’t wearing your seat belt (retarded non-crime IMO, but still the law), your headlight is out, you’re weaving in and out of traffic or driving erratically, etc.
This gets murkier when you go through a police DUI checkpoint (these should be illegal IMO). It gets even crazier when you drive through a Border Patrol checkpoint because the Supreme Court has ruled that the federal government’s power to enforce immigration law as per Article 1 Section 8 supersedes most constitutional protections.
But if he asks things like “can I look in the trunk?” or “can I search the car?” I’d respectfully tell him that I do not consent to these things. But going back to your original point, I do think the key is to be respectful and cordial. Don’t be a dick and the officer might be less of a dick to you.
I have had cops give me HUGE breaks (such as giving me a ticket and not arresting me when I had weed and hash oil on me — a felony in that state) just because I was polite to him and answered all his questions honestly.
I’ve also had the opposite experience of cops giving me as much shit as possible because I’m not being “cooperative.”
Growing up, all I wanted to be was a cop. Arter high school, I fell into my current job that doesn’t find me in awkward scenarios such as getting my ass kicked by someone who dindu nuffin or getting shot at. In 2014, my schedule at work changed up to where I’d have more free time in the morning and I decided to go back to school and pursue my dream of being a cop. Then some asshole in Ferguson decides to be a badass and gets his town burned down. I knew this was the beginning of something bigger and developed a serious case Fuck This Shit.
My hat is off to the guys that are out there making an effort to make the world a little less dangerous.
Probably a lot shorter than reading the article
You may also want to consider an intercom system for your front door should the police show up there. It will allow for you to not talk to the police without them being able to peer into your house and see anything that “might be illegal,” which of course triggers that whole “probable cause” spiel.
This article makes me glad I don’t live in the Hebrew states.
The real problem is not the police, but rather all the laws that they are expected to enforce.
Nobody can count how many laws that exist at federal, state and local levels. Even the police themselves may often be clueless as to what is and is not legal. Then there’s the problem of using laws as a way to raise revenue.
Until the number of and purpose of laws is addressed (this will likely never happen) then this will be an increasing problem.
Well in case you were not paying attention Hebrews are creating much of the laws, many are in
Congress and the Senate at the federal level. Whole bunch of them at the local and state level too in the courts as well.
Get and read his book- ‘You Have the Right to Remain Innocent’, it’s a quick read.
https://www.voscreen.com/life/1304/r6oz1n5m6km5cbza2/es/
This. And – Never call the cops unless you want somebody shot and that somebody might be you.
or your dog.
If you get into some kind of confrontation, you may want to call if you think the other guy/gal might call. First one to call is considered the victim, and there’s always a tendency to give the first account more credence.
Doesn’t matter who calls first, women are always dubbed the victim, no matter what.
Absolutely. Care to guess how many men I process at the county jail for domestic assault compared to women? Some of these guys are scratched up like they tangled with a rabid cheetah.
That’s the Violence Against Woman Act for you… it mandates that police departments which get federal funding always arrest the guy first.
The best thing you can do if a woman in your midst threatens to call the cops is leave.
But the guy in the article said cops have no biases and can see through everything.
I knew a physicist who got arrested for DD after calling the police because his wife brandished a gun at him and threw a TV at him. He should have just kicked her ass.
Great video!
“I used to wear
dark-frame glasses with prescription-free lenses in them because they
made me look like a nerd. People assumed I was stupid and would try to
pull more shit, which I easily saw through and got more arrests. Boom!”
This is why people distrust cops.
That does indicate a certain duplicitous bent, doesn’t it?
That’s signature Israeli training.
you sound jewish
Nope not Jewish. My wife has seen me, no cut.
just fukkin’
Even more crafty – a stealth jew…
Yeah, I noticed that as well. Also, I have lived this. Cops are not out there to protect us, rather they are out there to GET us.
Sort of the whole point of the article
“never doing anything illegal”??? WHO decides that? Not me. According to one researcher, with a best-selling book on the topic, the average US citizen commits 3 felonies a day, without even knowing it. There are 3M “laws” governing/controlling/regulating every aspect of your life from cradle to grave. If a cop wants to arrest you, s/he will find something, if s/he looks hard enough.
Cops are not prosecuters that spend time examining evidence and verifying guilt. They can find probable cause against a ham sandwich if they so chose.
My policy has always been one of avoidance. If you saw a mob of gang bangers you wouldn’t go right up to them and you wouldn’t do anything to make yourself look like an easy target – suspicious to a cop – either. That’s what they are. They’re a gang with a “lawful” leaning. One time I got really messed up and the cops got called. Long story short there was 9 of them vs me. They group tackle and use weapons. There’s no fighting fair and if you expect them to then you’re a fool. Just like what you’d expect from a gang.
This isn’t a sport, it’s combat. If you find yourself in a ‘fair fight’, you didn’t prepare properly.
Worn a badge over five years….. haven’t been there long enough to get over being gung-ho yet and still green enough to think he knows it all.
Interesting. I support law enforcement, hate BLM and think most cops are good guys doing a tough job. That said, the author sounds like an unprofessional human time bomb, a steroid-crazed nut with a shaved chrome dome head and criminal style tattoo’s (which should NOT be permitted for uniformed officers – they shout low IQ white trash). Get this guy off the force. He apparently does not get it. The police exist to protect the respectable working, middle and upper classes from the underclass. If this lunatic thinks he can treat ordinary law-abiding people like this he is bonkers and his department is headed for million-dollar lawsuits. You are PEACE officers, not soldiers and cutizens are NOT the enemy. As for criminals, cops may be armed, trained and equipped but don’t underestimate the hoodlums.
Like any vocation the police certainly have their share of assholes.
carnie barkers for example
Right. full o diks…..
The younger ones I’ve met make me think they are purposely recruiting assholes.
Yep but most are good guys.
Looking at your name I am not surprised about the comment you wrote…
“Nice government issued costume officer! How may I help you?”
I think cops turned the corner from being civil “servants” to a paramilitary group that sees the citizens as some kind of enemy. I think this us vs. them mentality happens in a lot of industries but is very pronounced in law enforcement.
Having spent some time over in both urban and “rural” China (read: villages of 100,000 people), I can say the cops there are NOT the same as the ones here. They are very much another faction with some legal clout that gets called when there is a dispute, but for most of the force their power has not grown to the pater-famlias, don’t look at me even slightly sideways or I will put a 9mm round in your ass way we see in the States. People in China will sit there and argue with cops about what happened without getting pushed to the ground and beaten with a stick.
This attitude they have here, while probably largely grown in response to increasing threats from organizations like gangs, etc., has no place in probably 90% of cops outside of major cities. Officer Dinkleberry of Tomahawk, Indiana (pop. 2403), does not need to think of himself as Rambo facing some hostile army of civilians, but should be there as a helpful symbol of law and order for whom ensuring the safety of the public is the number one consideration.
And then you have to wonder, why has this transformation taken place (I can remember in the 70’s/80’s when cops were people you were taught to respect and ask for directions from), and…to what end?
Agreed. I sometimes socialise with cops, and have seen an us-vs-them mentality set in with them that simply didn’t exist 10 years ago. Lots of things are responsible for it, but there is no denying the reality of the change.
It’s a street gang that happens to be funded by the government.
It’s always existed. Small town to big city. Spend a week riding in a patrol car and you’ll see what I mean.
Allowing what criminals do to dominate all your thoughts transforms you into the same person by proxy. Nietzsche should be required reading in the academy.
At the end you described the local cops in the town I grew up in. They were knew who paid their salaries and treated people with respect. They way they act now is closer to an occupying army, even way out in the suburbs,
Even back then there were shithead local cops pulling stunts to get more tickets, questionable DUI stops, other BS just to make stats. Without real crime going on the tendency is to focus too much on the inconsequential. This is less of a tendency in state police outfits but every agency has it’s problems.
I have some interaction with small community LEOs, and I find them to be polite and engaging. I think it’s got to be tough for them to have normal lives with us regular people. I also appreciate that they maintain the line not to cross of nearby big city thugs.
The late 80s and 90s happened. The Colombians and Jamaicans, along with their drug-waves. Not to mention the rise of the Reactionary semi-evangelical right.
Wait a minute….are you trying t blame the rise of the statist goon on drugs and whitey?
GTFO of here with that shit.
Don’t you know the poorest, most right wing white town has a much higher crime rate than the richest black town… oh wait a minute, that’s backwards, lol.
” the richest black town… oh wait a minute, that’s backwards”
There are no rich black towns – when blacks acquire money they move to wealthy white communities.
Indeed, the police have become an occupying standing army. Two factors, that was the long term design and what is done in the far reaches of an empire eventually come home.
Although weakened severely in recent years the prohibition in the USA of using the military domestically for law enforcement, etc shaped centralizing control of police forces and turning them into that tool. In China there was no need to turn police into a competitive group to other pieces of government so they remained peace officers for dealing with disputes.
One thing is for certain, spend time in just about any foreign country and you will appreciate the level of training even the average cop in the US has. In too many other places, being a cop is a job given out as political favors and the main skill is shakedowns. One look at the bullshit equipment on their belt and the lack of situational awareness most of them have tells you a lot.
There are a multitude of shakedowns average cops (and various other government employees and elected office holders) in the USA participate in. They are just veiled as being for own good and the monies collected as fines, court costs, taxes, civil asset forfeiture etc go to the government for redistribution through the various salaries, pensions, perks and so for the jobs and contracts supported by these rackets.
It’s the same system, it’s just not so obvious and personal as it is elsewhere. It’s also far more efficient and profitable. Those cops in other parts of the world don’t retire with pensions of present values in the millions of dollars unless they managed to personally acquire that much wealth along the way.
They don’t need excessive equipment because the ability to bear arms is considered an earned privilege abroad. Not some haphazard right that enables toddlers to bear 9mms out the womb with no sense of accountability.
Well you could trust both cops and doctors back then. I remember. Cops weren’t scared gear queers with 2 types of mace, a tazer, service gun, bullet proof vests, etc. just for ROTM traffic stops. And if the perp resisted or ran off, the cops would literally run them down, tackle them Mean Joe Green style and arrest them. Single handedly often… or 2 on 1.. Not freaking 5 cops for one scrawny ass dude. Have police deaths gone up that dramatically per capita? Doubt it, I may be wrong though. I often ask myself, if the police, as individuals are so skilled and badass… so logically we’re talking the modal level of toughness here, why the fuck can’t 1-2 guys chicken wing an arm and apprehend the guy. Don’t these guys get trained in Akido and Jiu Jitsu? Shit, friend of a friend of mine actually trains special forces martial arts, some police forces, etc… yet WHY don’t I see them use these skills in the field? From the aggregate modal sense, while the author states most cops aren’t dipshits, for me, the jury is still out on that statement. Maybe not most. but a significant percentage.
Now hire in some women and lower the standards, or some weakling scrawny guys with no self-defense skills, upper level detainment skills, and really we see they’re STILL lacking just the bare bones basics of leverage-point martial arts, which would make so many detainments way faster and safer. Derp, Nope. How many times have I seen videos of guys with military stature, dudes definitely work out, gotta be strong cops, on a 140Lb. man screaming at him “STOP RESISTING, STOP RESISTING,” when the dude can’t get his arm free to the very position the cop is trying to put it in to detain him, so they beat him unnecessarily over and over, yet they wonder why people are hating the cops?
I for one think most of the incidents that started the BLM movement the perp was actually deserving of what he got, at least the publicized ones, except maybe 1 or 2. And yes, I’m a white Trump voter, pro-military, pro-police for the most part.. but geeze, read above article. It’s guilty until proven innocent in the court of law… but really, the court wants all the guilt they can attach a sentence of fine to.
GRock. All of that equipment is not because the cop wants it, it is because of chiefs not wanting the liability. Instead of training, too many departments rely on technology and even cops well trained in martial arts are restricted from using them due to use of force policies, depending on the martial art they know. I know I was trained over 40 years ago as a cop, worked for 25 years in a variety of positions and agencies and the stuff I was trained in originally cannot be used today. The officer who wrote this has some good information for drivers and his tongue planted firmly in his cheek as well.
The guy admits to entrapping people. Easier to do that than raid the heroin lairs I suppose… explains the pathological need to project tough guy to everyone, he’s really trying to convince himself he isn’t ruled by fear.
Remember ED209? And that robot cop movie that took place in South Africa, Chappie? If this the way the cops really think, it would probably best to replace them with cyborgs. It would also reduce payroll as well as liability for local governments, even though most cops are now highly trained paramilitary thugs, they are still human, and have biases, therefore remove the bias by bringing in cyborgs. No one can complain a robot discriminated against them or violated their civil rights.
Darth, what paramilitary group? Because uniforms? Because equipment (which can have duel purposes)? Did you know MANY of the tactics that infantry use today in an urban setting were developed over 40 years ago by SWAT teams to rapidly and safely clear houses? So are the police more military like or is the military more cop like?
Now I did not know some infantry tactics came from SWAT teams…that is something I hadn’t considered. Interesting.
However, what you seem to be referring to is more the accoutrements (tactics, equipment) and origins. What I’m talking about is more the cultural/peceptive part in terms of relationship to the public and how this has shifted. This is the phenomena that I and several others here have noticed, that the police in general seem to have become more authoritarian, even abusive in attitudes toward the public in recent decades. That the relationship has changed from more of a partnership to more of hostility.
Now I am not a police officer, but I do have a friend that is an old timer, and he even noticed that there has been a perceptual shift in the language. One thing he said for example is that the police in his area (a smallish but rather historically famous town) refer to locals as “civilians,” but that this wasn’t the case before. This guy is an old-school Marine who takes his profession very seriously, but objects to calling members of the local population as if they are part of a different group altogether. Because what does the term “civilian” suggest, that the one making the reference is non-civilian, or part of the military.
Oh, I’m old school as well as a cop and there has been a shift, but calling folks civilians goes WAY back. I started over 40 years ago and it was in use then. BTW, the Websters definition of “civilian” is anyone not in the military, police or fire services.
There is a reason it is called policing the world… the US has a different definition of policing than most, that’s all.
What does national policy have to do with local policing Patrick? I gather by your other comments to my posts that you are anti-police. That’s fine. But to opine on something you have apparently no first hand knowledge of is the height of hubris.
Irrelevant.
If you want to compare police vs. military then let’s also discuss the ROE that is more restrictive for troops in a combat zone than it is for LEO back home.
And the ROEs overseas have gotten many of our troops killed too. I suggest you read up on UOF law; Garner v. Tennessee and Graham v. Connor, both US Supreme Court decisions that all use of force policies and state laws must be based on.
Police are the fucking enemy. Never forget this.
It is time we understand that a police officer is nothing more than a mercenary. A war keen coward and bully who only cares about his paycheck. Who would never, ever target a real enemy. A man who only wants to see violence for the sake of violence and not get arrested for it. Police are psychopaths and narcissists who just want an excuse to hurt others, and they damn sure won’t do it to those who can fight back.
Police have safer jobs than truck drivers, fishermen and construction workers. If cops were the heroes they pretend to be, we wouldn’t have MS13 members, crips, bloods, and other non white gangs walking the streets in America. White people as a whole are smart enough to take care of this scourge with minimal casualties within a week, but the cops would rather henpeck suckers who commit minor victimless crimes and will gladly pay fines and thank the cop for his service while they’re at it.
You raise some interesting points. I am curious though, in your vision, what would happen if we did not have police?
I can think of some examples from hunter/gatherers such as the Ju/”oasi and !Kung where they were unneeded because the population densities were so very low. In those cases, families took part in feuds with other groups that basically involved two groups of people throwing projectiles at each other until someone was injured. The injuries were usually mild and in each cases there were ramifications on each side. The ancient Romans also had such a system of extracting blood vengeance on another family if one of their members had done wrong to yours.
But, in a contemporary society with 340+ members, what would happen if tomorrow the police were abolished and there was absolutely no one around to call if someone came and raped your sister then stole all her valuables?
Not asking to create conflict–just curious what your vision and a possible practical application of that vision is.
You are supposing people would be so defenseless and unsuspecting of their sister getting raped in a society with volunteer peace officers. Anything as drastic as any major government institution disappearing tomorrow would have such effects, as power voids tend to be filled rapidly.
We’ll always have law enforcement. But as it stands, with a government that blatantly wants us destroyed, the police are the enemy.
“White people as a whole are smart enough to take care of this scourge with minimal casualties within a week, but the cops would rather henpeck suckers who commit minor victimless crimes and will gladly pay fines and thank the cop for his service while they’re at it.”
^^ THIS X 1000000
Let’s clarify here. It is only in SE Michigan that Muslims are infesting.
Most everything else (with the exception of the downstate cities) is lily-white and rural Americana.
All of the nonsense that you read about is contained in a relatively small geographic area. None of it would fly anywhere else than where it currently is.
“Let’s clarify here. It is only in SE Michigan that Muslims are infesting”
For now… the apes are reproducing like houseflies while whites are not. This really comes down to whites fault for losing the two qualities that enable their survival: 1.) brute force – willingness to kill for their race & heritage and 2.) Their sustainsble reproduction.
Every organization deviates from it’s original purpose to stake out it’s own survival. Law enforcement is no different. If there were no crime there would be no need for cops. That’s why they’re selective about the crimes they choose to stop.
This is true. No disagreements.
And you should play the part… on the surface. The irony that forcing everyone to lie to you makes discerning real criminals impossible is lost on them. It’s even funnier because the natural response to it being harder to catch criminals is to double down, which effectively manufactures criminals.
I remember a friend of mine who went to a South American country back in the early 1990s and said he was shocked that all the cops there looked like soldiers and carried heavy weaponry. Well look what happened? Now its no different in the developed Western world. Much of the justification for this change is the breakdown of community bonds and civility.
It’s simple. Equality. Treat EVERY person like they are a possible MUSLIM terrorist or dindu else you’ll be profiling.
Great article.
Sounds like propaganda.
I lived and worked in occasionally sketchy (from a LEO perspective) environments in East Asia, Eastern Europe, and North Africa. I was white collar, but armed in N. Africa.
I was disabled and retired to the rural midwest, where my family is from. I have had more interactions with police in the past three years here than I had in the prior 15 years anywhere. I am an insomniac, and some of that is due to the fact I am up when most people are not, maybe parked and listening to the radio, reading on the ‘net, or just staring. During this time I have gotten one speeding ticket only.
I recommend always turning on the dome light and raising one’s hands with fingers open on or above the steering wheel. I do not reach for my license before telling the cop it’s in my left hip pocket. I keep the insurance and registration docs on my visor so I don’t have to reach for the glove box. I call the cop “Officer” or perhaps “M’am” if I’m talking to a female. I have been thanked repeatedly by the cops (this is 3-4 a.m., remember) for the hands, light and “it’s in my back pocket, am I clear?” stuff.
Understand, I hate this but as the author of the OP notes, he or she has all the power, and they may well be nervous as hell. Also in my case, the local PD imposes quotas, and this is no time to challenge a corrupt police chief’s policies.
My attorney is also the County Attorney, and he has asked me to make a stink because he’s sick of the over-policing, but obviously you can’t do that without pinning a bullseye on your own back.
The one time I engaged in dialogue — with three cops on my front yard at 1 a.m. — the senior cop actually said, “If you ask one more question I”m arresting you.” Obviously my immediate response was “For what, you moron?” (they would have already arrested me if there were probable cause) but I choked it back.
It’s a good idea to find out if you live in a “stop and identify” state. I do not, so in theory a cop can’t just walk up to me because I’m sitting in my truck at 3 a.m. and demand my ID (they do that to run warrants, maybe get a quick score). Also, find out if your CCW, if you have one pops whenever
police academy or psycho cop?
that would be the trauma that created psycho cop
If anything, this article is somewhat satirical. Most of my buddies who are cops, are just trying to get through their shift.
In my opinion, there is a big difference in how cops behave, if they’re located in the suburbs/a major city. I’ve never had any sort of trouble with them, apart from a ticket or two, but then again I have a law degree and lack a predisposition towards not doing dumb things.
That said, don’t blame the cops, if you’re arguing that all they do is enforce stupid laws. Blame the city council/mayor that enacted that dumb law, which the cops must then enforce.
We as a nation, are where we are because we allow politicians to write all kinds of new laws everyday, many of which criminalize everyday activity.
“I was just following orders…”
Hope that doesn’t come back to bite your apologist ass.
I enjoy how you strawman all cops as unthinking robots who don’t know how to think critically.
As if they don’t get extensive training on how to use firearms, when to escalate, the legal ramifications for discharging a round, etc. Not to mention the fact that cops have to get psychological counseling when they discharge their weapons, and have their actions reviewed by an internal affairs department.
I also have my license to carry, so your ad-hominem fails.
“you strawman all cops as unthinking robots who don’t know how to think critically.”
Truthfully, I’m not sure which would be worse. The unthinking robots just following orders or someone who is a free-thinker who knowingly and willingly violating peoples rights.
I don’t give a flying rats ass about how much training they get. It’s either the wrong sort of training or they didn’t get enough. Otherwise, explain to me how incidents like Hope Steffey’s ass-kicking or flash bangs dropped into cribs alongside sleeping babies occur.
Do you need more incidents, because there are plenty. Because I’d like you to show me convictions, of which there are few.
“have their actions reviewed by an internal affairs department.” Whoop-a-dee-fucking-doo. How many times have we seen officers, investigated by their own offices who are part of the thin-blue-line, get exonerated as having “acted within proper protocol.”
I’m not talking about Mike Brown type incidents (thug OG got what was coming to him for trying to grab an officers weapon.) I’m talking about the recent Castille case or even the case where Ofc. Slager was allowed to plead down to a simple violation of civil rights. Let average Joe skin leather and put a few holes into an Aussie gal because he’s startled and see if Officer Snugnuts doesn’t put the boot to his head at a minimum.
Keep on licking the soles of the jackboots who don’t give a shit about anything but protecting the state and themselves. I wish more of you would come out and say it so I can know who to shun.
To your point about bad cops, I hope they get burned in the legal system.
That said, I suggest adding evidence before you suggest that it occurs as much as you suggest. Otherwise you sound like a raving lunatic that belongs in Antifa.
Finally, between you and me, cops aren’t scary if you confidently know your legal rights.
Adding evidence towards what? I gave four very public incidents that are easily searchable for details and/or video.
It would be one thing if my examples were completely isolated, but they aren’t. There are lots and lots of times where people knew their rights but the cops had other plans and the presumed authority of state sanctioned violence if you resist.
From personal experience in my military service: I was once in a planning meeting for a very public event and personally witnessed high-ranking police officers from various cities, counties, and even the state police discussing certain rights of citizens. Not only did these police (Mostly Lt’s. but all Sgt. and above) not initially know what they actual law they were discussing said, when they were enlightened on it and reminded of both the State and Federal Constitutional right to bear arms, the answer was: “Well, we’re not going to allow it and if someone doesn’t like it they can take it to court.”
So, excuse me if I give a big “eff you,” to anyone who wants to slob some piggy knob and talk about how mighty and lofty their elocution is with cops concerning “rights.”
Badges don’t grant extra rights.
/2 whenever they run your plates. My state hasn’t integrated that record so I don’t disclose if I’m carrying. (When I lived in suburban DC, Virginia cops did have this info; we were trained to put both hands out the window to disclose we were carrying, contrary to what the author here suggests.)
Be careful out there. We can talk about civil forfeiture next time. Now that is another really good reason to stay in your car and stay quiet.
I don’t mind, wherever i go, i simply used common sense and obey the local law, and i never got a tickets (outside of Italy).
Police usually have to deal with growing crimes everywhere, so i may understand, raising of gangs, plus in US is legal to own a gun, hence Police officers must do their job accordly, by the way, simply follows the tips in the video WJ provvided us below and (maybe) you never have your arse kicked.
However, what if a women Police officer stops you? that’s another story!
– good day, is there a problem Officer?
-Officer is sexist, you macho pig! get off the car NOW! You’re under arrest!
– good day, is there a problem Officer?
-So you wear the ROK shirt uh? you macho pig! get off the car NOW! You’re under arrest!
– good day, is there a problem Officer?
-Dont talk to me so loud! you macho pig! get off the car NOW! You’re under arrest!
– good day, is there a problem Officer?
– you didn’t used the turn properly, as a man you believe to do anythings right?? RIGHTTT???
you macho pig! get off the car NOW! You’re under arrest!
– good day, is there a problem Officer?
(she gots her days) you macho pig! get off the car NOW! You’re under arrest!
It’s funny, Italy as a whole is super friendly to Americans, but their justice-system is completely opposite.
Bullshit, that american girl that killed a another at university beat the rap, as did those brain dead fighter pilots who cut the wires on the chair lift and killed people, I WISH AMERICANS WOULD LEAVE ITALY
Wait… is this satire?
Keep . Your . Mouth . Shut!
Once upon a time, there was a single tree in the prairie. That tree had a bird nest on a lone branch with one baby bird.
It was late spring and both parents were out foraging for food when an unusually late snow storm kicked in. This kept the parents from returning to the nest for a long time.
The baby bird wasn’t at all happy about all this and started chirping and complaining. He made one of those “grass is greener” decisions and left the nest searching for someplace better.
THAT didn’t work out all that well because the branches were wet and slippery. The baby bird plopped into a snow bank and now he was worse off than before!
Well, his approach to life was “when you’re unhappy, chirp and complain!” This attracted the attention of a mother buffalo. She wasn’t very good a building nests, nor was she all that adept at picking up baby birds and climbing up trees. She DID however have a nice warm blanket she could donate to his cause …
Which she did.
Oddly enough, this didn’t seem to quiet the baby bird. He continued to chirp and complain!
THIS attracted the attention of a passing coyote. He gently extracted the miserable baby bird from his predicament and removed the smelly debris from his beak, feet and feathers.
Then he ate him.
There are a number of lessons one can derive from this fable.
1. All too often, “there” is no better than “here”. Our hapless hero discovered this when he left the nest.
2. Sometimes in life, people will seem to “dump” on you. Don’t be so quick to judge. They may actually be trying to help you.
3. Sometimes complete strangers will leap to your assistance. Be wary. They may have their own agenda with might not be in your own best interest.
4. Most important! IF you ever find yourself up to your nose “In the Big Muddy”, it’s almost always a good idea to KEEP YOUR DAMN MOUTH SHUT!
Dealing with a cop in your personal life(cousin, brother-in-law, etc.) can be irritating. Because of their Halloween costume, anyone with a lick of sense is going to pretty much kiss their ass, all the time. They eventually just start thinking they’re always right about everything. If you disagree with them, you see the “I should taser you” look, way to fast.
the biggest gang on the street wears blue
Police tickets and fines have cost me more than any criminal ever has.
I don’t think I’ve ever seen a more succinct summary of why we should disband all police forces.
A cop pulled me over and asked me why I was speeding. I said my wife just left me for a cop. He said Wow, I’m sorry, but why were you speeding? I said, I thought you were trying to give her back. The cop laughed and let me off with a warning.
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I hate the fucking cops.
Guess what? They hate you, too.
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I’m pro-hate.
I’m only an amateur but hope to turn pro someday.
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OT: Via Vox Day…
Hmmmm, very interesting.
So, the “white supremacist” leader of a complete clusterfuck that completely trashed the alt-right brand and gave a big optic/political victory to antifa and the left just happened to be an Obama supporter and pro-Occupy movement this time last year. No one else finds that suspicious?
Nowadays? Not really….
So you’re seeing lots of guys who voted for the First Black President joining the KKK these days?
Fickle lot these fukkin kids these days…..
No, it wouldn’t surprise me at all if the guy had joined up to try and create a situation just like this, to try and provoke violence to be blamed on the right.
Yeah, glad some of the more prominent guys saw through the BS and bailed out, like Gavin McInnes did.
I’m pretty sure that Richard Spencer dude is a Fed, too.
There’s a joke that the clan doesn’t exist anymore, and the only people in it are undercover FBI agents.
He was *that* disillusioned by his messiah BHO…
Maybe he is a paid troll.
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Seriously.
Dindu nuffin wrong!
Nothing you tell the police can help you…they are neither the judge nor the court.
Why does anyone ever talk to the cops if you’re not the one who called them?
All jokes aside, if you are in a traffic stop-
Pull over
Roll down window
If dark turn on interior light
Turn off ignition
Retrieve license and proof of insurance
Put license and proof of insurance in left hand
Prop left arm/hand on window sill
Prop right hand on top of steering wheel
Don’t say anything until he asks, if you are one of those who can’t not say anything, just say hello or how are you doing or something similar.
DONT say “what did I do?” He will tell you.
If speeding, when he asks why you were going that fast say something like” I was just going and not really watching it like I should” or something to that effect.
Most of the time (unless you are REALLY fucking up) doing this will have you on your way in few minutes many times with a warning instead of a ticket. This worked for me in countless traffic stops by State Troopers, deputies and city cops.
Unless you are really fucking up or being a dickhead they will send you on your way and that’s it.
Got a ticket this way, but it was the end of the month and I was the duly-appointed sucker.
At least this kept things nice and friendly. If I’d gotten mad, things could have gotten much worse for everyone.
Yep, if you show out and act a fool, you’ll be the one who pays.
They have to write some tickets to do their job or some supervisor somewhere will be on their case. We all get unlucky sometimes.
Yep, those small towns need their revenue. I do wish they’d just rob me instead of giving me a strike against my record, though – I lose my hard-earned money either way, but only one shows up on my background check.
Paying tickets is painful, it’s like throwing money in the fire along with those damn increases in insurance premiums.
A very apt comparison. Both necessary evils that are generally a hindrance and a pain in the dik but every once in a great while they save someone’s ass.
I don’t think it makes drivers any safer to be always checking the sides of the road for cop cars, suddenly decelerating if they spot a potential threat vehicle.
Sure, there are ass-clowns shooting by at 120+mph, zigzagging through traffic – they should be taken in, for sure. But there are situations where being safe on the road can still net you a ticket, and that’s a bit much.
I don’t know. Maybe the states should funnel a bit of tax money down to the small towns or something.
There’s a small town near here (population maybe 650) with a 4 lane state highway through the middle. A couple of years ago they took in over 3MILLION DOLLARS in traffic violations fines. Slow yer ass down going through there.
My first ticket was from a town like that. Their jurisdiction JUST reaches the highway, and they made damn sure there was only one sign for miles indicating a sudden drop from 75 to 60.
That’s predation, and it is inexcusable.
Small towns around here that have the interstate in the city limits have taken to playing highway patrol. I always thought that was kind of wrong since the interstate isn’t really part of the town. Sheriff departments along the interstate enjoy playing highway patrol now too instead of maybe trying to keep the local knuckle heads from stealing anything that isn’t nailed down but, there’s no revenue in that.
Mine too. Middle of nowhere.
I’ve received quite a few tickets. However, I have yet to be convicted. Just sign the damn thing, and do the small amount of work to get out of it later, especially if you you don’t have big tits and a pretty face.
It’s worked for me too UC. I try to make sure they can see my hands, it would be a relief to me were I in their position.
If you’ve got crank windows and it looks like they’re going to approach the passenger vice driver said (CHP does this in CA) — DON’T go lunging sideways out of their sight to crank it down.
Wait until they’re at the window looking disgustedly at you, then lean over slowly and crank it down. When they stop laughing at the fact you have crank windows, you’ll probably just get a warning.
They still make those? Lol
In my 2006 Dodge Ram 3500, apparently it was the funniest thing that CHP officer had seen in years….
That’s way too much movement before the cop comes to your window
It’s going to take time for him to get out and get to the car, you should be through with movement long before he gets there and be patiently waiting.
Ok.
But oftentimes, they put that super bright spotlight on you as soon. As you stop
In Louisiana, you’re actually supposed to get out of your car when you get pulled over. I haven’t been pulled over there, but I’ve seen it many times. Weird shit.
Here they want you to stay unless they ask you to get out.
The military used to do the job of the police to maintain law and order. A note to those who “hate the cops”: without them, every neighborhood would have a local Trayvon Martin thug roaming the area at will, raping, murdering, and pillaging as he pleased. Local gangs would have their own road blocks and you would have to pay their fee to get through the roadblock or your tires get slashed and you go nowhere.
Everyone should be very glad the police are there to put the bad guys in check, and to deter those who are generally too cowardly to act upon their criminal impulses from fear of retribution, but without the police, these cowards would have be more bold.
When you deal with such utterly, stupid morons that is the average American citizen, and this applies to every race, gender, and economic background, it is hard to not become jaded. I guarantee if you were to deal every day with the rank stupidity, the whining, the excuses, the scummy atrocious behavior constantly, you too would sharpen your police skills to the finest edge to be prepared to cut down the truly violent. The police are always a target and so they absolutely must be prepared for that one-in-ten-thousand individual who is going to pull a knife or gun on them in an instant.
Police are human and therefore not perfect, but I am thankful they are there, that I don’t have to carry iron on my side like the wild west. You don’t want people taking the law into their own hands and doing “whatever is right in their own eyes” because there are some truly sick and twisted people out there who are only deterred by the police, and their patrols, and their presence.
Thumbs up to the cops! You protect my ass every day, either directly or indirectly.
Its because of people like you, who give up freedom for security that we will end with no freedam AND no security.
I never said I don’t have weapons for backup, or that I rely exclusively upon the police to protect me. Since I do not want, everyday, to peek around before stepping out of the house, always having to watch my back, it is good to know the police are out there patrolling, keeping at bay the lawlessness that is always lurking just under the surface of society.
When there is a natural disaster such as Katrina, what did you see? Roving bands of people looting. Without the police, these people would think, “Oh, nobody can stop me so I’ll just take what I want.” They look for the weak target and pounce. The police protect the weak. I am not weak but should I get to be 80 years old and feeble, half-deaf difficult to hear intruders, and half-blind unable to hit the target unless with the shotgun, I will need help protecting myself.
Sure, the thugs have to be careful with armed citizens, but these lawless punks travel in packs. The police is a large armed force able to deal with them and keep them suppressed.
It is tax money well spent in my opinion and yes, there are corrupt people in the police who dig and skim the tax money off the top for themselves but believe me, it is a better world with the police than without them.
I repeat: I do not want to live in a wild west scenario so I am glad for the police. They do protect my rights by upholding the constitution, unless it is inconvenient for them to do so such as the Cucksville local government not protecting the marchers exercising their right to assemble and speak.
For what it is worth, I am in full support of the 2nd Amendment as all the rest of the constitution. Leftists and lawless ones hate the constitution because it declares that our rights come from God, not the state nor any other institution of Man. They hate that and work ceaselessly to circumvent the constitution until such a time as they have the numbers and power to dispense with it altogether, usually in the form of a contrived “crisis”.
The police are not perfect and there are scumbags on the force because the police are taken from a sampling of the population, of which at least 30% are scumbags in one form or another.
Believe me, you do not want an anarchy situation where everyone has to rely upon themselves for defense. You have to sleep at some point, you know, and that is when the lawless ones, the Sons of Belial strike, when you are sleeping or display vulnerability.
It is easier to let the police handle the general lawlessness because I have better things to do than try to be a policeman myself, and for home defense there are firearms. Both are needed to repel the lawless ones.
Really? I’m very happy living in a town without a police force. If you call 911, eventually the state cops will show up. It’s a quiet town but if you break into somebody’s house, be prepared to be shot. And, we don’t have a bunch of parasites with guns looking to write people tickets all day.
It’s almost like people can figure out how to make things work without government intervention.
Shocking…..
My go-to bearing in any encounter with the police is good natured ignorance. Smile and sound apologetic without actually admitting to anything. I almost never get tickets this way.
I’m not out to mess with or harass people. I’m not out to charge people with petty crap. I’m not out to write bs tickets for my “quota”. I actually work for a dept that encourages us not to be petty. I’m generally friendly and humorous with peopke. The only thing I try to do is arrest serious criminals for legit serious crimes, and then go home. I see through the bs and the political correctness as well.
I get that the system is broken. I am as fed up and jaded as everyone else in the alt-right and manosphere. I signed up well over a decade ago because I truly wanted to help people and do good. I didn’t get into this work for all of the anti-cop cliches—power trip, got bullied in HS, etc. But I too see the problems, and I try to make change or do the right thing when I can.
But I don’t really believe in what we have is worth protecting anymore. I, like most of you, want change. There are a lot more of us, decent guys, than you think.
I know a few men like that. Good men, don’t mean no harm to nobody ‘less they’re rarin’ for a fight or fleeing the scene of a crime.
That’s me. If you are gang banging, breaking into houses, robbing people, shooting people, or doing other serious stuff, then I am all about it. I’m not into messing with otherwise decent people over petty stuff, I generally look for other options instead of charges. I also am not into messing with dumb ass kids doing the same dumb shit I used to do, I’d rather call their parents and hope they learn their lesson. I’m not trying to ruin people’s lives.
Body cams are changing that, know a guy works on a department where the footage is reviewed (required to be on for every interaction with the public). They get a lot of flack for cutting folks a break vice writing tickets/charging them. He hates it, taking away that ability for on the spot exercise of judgment.
“Officer Smith… I see you like corn.”
Great point. Not sure how all their surveillance works, but as I understand it they’re either auto-engaged in the recording process – as, if the cop turns on the lights or sirens the car-attached video cams turn on no matter what, or with body cams, they’re either required to manually turn them on, or dispatch can access the video either in real time or required after the fact….. just in case an incident winds up in court. Cops are being sterilized by the courts and technology.
As one cop put it to me in a family case I was involved in years back. “The difference now is people have a digital trail of everything they do, it’s not necessarily that bad people are doing a LOT more bad things.” In other words, BIG BROTHER has grown tremendously in last decade. Here’s one for ya, did you know that MOST US Interstate Highways have every square mile of roadway recorded 24/7 for review of highway activities? Found that out when a Black Man intentionally hit me on I-75 for road rage his Black wife started in another car against me.
You can’t respond with matching force either if you’re fucked with. The police expect you to just take the attacks and call them and wait while you’re being killed. Just self-defending yourself can quickly be twisted into manslaughter or murder. Ironically the black cop who showed up said:”We’re charging this man with a criminal offense…this is how people get shot and killed in this nation.” Let that sink in. Makes getting a CCW very attractive at this point.
His body cam has to be turned on manually. He’s concerned that if he turns it off when it’s allowed– i.e. bathroom breaks, just driving in the car etc. he’ll forget to turn it back on. If something goes down, then he’ll get accused of having deliberately turned it off to hide something. Hence, he turns it on at the start of shift and never turns it off.
Ruining lives is what todays policies and DAs do.
Old retired state trooper told me one time” son, in my day all we cared about was how fast our patrol car would go and how much liquor we could drink on our days off, now they wanna lock folks up for everything “. It’s not their fault it’s the fault of voters calling their elected officials telling them to “do something!”.
Was that trooper VSP?
Georgia
Yup
You say voter, I read ‘boomer turned yuppie’.
I am hard against the failure of department policy that allows ,or enforces heavy handed tactics and policies , and over aggressive DAs trying to make a name for them selves. I think most people know it is Not the officer that is broken , but the system on the whole. Nothing better than a good cop; and nothing worse than a stupid one , that can only follow policy ,and not think for him self. Think for your self, but stay bladed
Yet now it’s legal for the copshop to reject a guy for being too smart.
I enlisted in the Army for honor, God and country. Ended up in a huge drug bust called “Operation Just Cause.” A lower ranking drug cartel member pissed off George Bush, a globalist. I got out before the US entered the Persian Gulf. Now Muslims are considered a “Religion of Peace” and I’m automatically a Nazi because I’m a white heterosexual southerner.
I don’t want unrestricted immigration, I want boys to become men and girls to becomes young responsible mothers. They lowered the bar for me to become a racist, simply having white skin.
Doesn’t matter I served with minorities and respected them as my “Airborne brothers.” Some where my friends, some were my leaders. I’m a disenfranchised “Fucking White Male” in today’s world.
These Marxists are not going to stop at toppling statues. They aren’t going to tolerate conservative Blacks and Latinos either.
The media is complicit, the government is complicit, Google is complicit. They are owned.
Degenrate consumerism is preferred over informed and educated citizens. The left is using minority groups as biological weapons to create division and chaos. The left will not win, the right will not win. The globalist will. They are funding both sides.
No matter how much you capitulate to the left it’s never enough. Backing down and offering an apology doesn’t matter. Never apologize.
The system is totally corrupted and has been for years. People are just starting to see cracks in the facade. We have been entertained to death, lied to and propagandized to the point a large portion of the population is incapable of rational thought and debate. The lines have been drawn. Our leaders are pawns and don’t give a flying shit about their constituents, their civil responsibility or oath of office.
Yeah we believed “service to country” and our politicians, CEO’s and bankers are fucking us all, black, white, asian. Fucking Orwellian nightmare.
well written
Mao’s cultural revolution didn’t stop at destroying Chinese history either.
Most cops are like you when they aren’t in a fearful state. Most people can’t handle fear.
I believe you man. I wanted to do the same thing a few decades ago. I truly did believe at the time that I could make a difference.
Hahah how naive. I kinda feel for you guys, but I am still terrified of you. You can literally destroy my life if you wanted to.
Speaking of cops, if you haven’t yet you should pick up a copy of The LawDog Files off Amazon. Long-time officer with the Sheriff’s department in a small Texas jurisdiction, lots of very interesting (and hilarious) stories to tell.
1. Avoid cops if at all possible.
2. If pulled over , do nothing. Say nothing.
Give license and ins if asked. Say nothing, or very little if you must answer a yes /no.
3. NEVER , EVER. Call them “sir”. Thays what a frightened 16 yo does.
4. Be calm, even if you were speeding/ took a crazy turn.
5. Don’t let on that you just huffed some paint
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Probably the shit eating grin that gave it away.
He is awaited in Valhalla, shiny and chrome
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I live in a ‘socialist’ western european country and my perception of the judicial system was changed when I was interrogated and eventually convicted of a ‘hate crime’ (harmless writing that I stupidly admitted to writing). Most government services put the citizen first and inform you of your rights and the direction you should take but the police is a bit different as I learned; they take pleasure in your naivety and ignorance as getting convictions gets them press and they get to give statements that make them look important and presumably get them laid by clueless females who think they are ‘tough’ and manly (even if they cannot throw a punch to save their hide) because the legal jargon sounds imposing to people unfamiliar with it and you can add the Hollywood image polishing to that. Without getting into some political argument over the necessity of the police force I do think that they do plenty of useful work as well and a lot of that does not involve engaging suspects but supporting social services, the fire department etc.
As for comparing police officers to top ranked MMA fighters or any other elite performers; there’s an old joke in my country about the reason why there are two cops in one squad car; one can write and the other one can read, which means to insinuate that cops do not have to be very bright. Being bright does not hurt but comparing cops to elite athletes in this context does not work. If you want to see intelligent people in the judicial system, look at judges. In a similar vein you would not compare nurses (to draw an analogy from the medical field) to olympic athletes but rather heart or brain surgeons. It’s easier to give a top surgeon or judge steroids and a bad attitude than to give a nurse or cop the brains of those professionals.
Shut the Fuck Up. Great advice for dealing with the police, great advice for life in general.
The whole “cops are just decent, everyday guys (trained to kill) who just want to complete their shift and go home” would work so much better if Police Civil Asset Forfeiture didn’t exceed the total losses from burglary by a billion or so in recent years.
They are, quite literally, more damaging to your wealth than the heroically diverse relieving you of all your worldly goods. Shutting up don’t cut it any more. Your nice, new BMW is the object of the stop, not it’s speed.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-17/police-civil-asset-forfeitures-exceed-value-all-burglaries-2014
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/23/cops-took-more-stuff-from-people-than-burglars-did-last-year/
For the little boys in blue to do anything, they require legal joinder. That is your LEGAL NAME (a corporation, all caps) or anything that connects you to it – like ID, insurance, VIN, docs, etc. You then enter their corporate jurisfiction of the UNITED STATES (corporation) and they can treat you as property. Otherwise, you remain outside of their jurisdiction and under natural law. Lose the name, win the game.
They still have the gun.
The law of cooperation or law of nature is all the same.
“Might is right”
However, in Non-Acid-Dropping World, your little game will get you nothing but time in a jail cell. Reality doesn’t care about theory, and people with guns and the right to kill you could give a shit about your legal ju-jitsu mumbo jumbo.
Good luck with that Sovereign citizen BS
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnSd-E3Hb3Y Heh. Even the other jailed persons thought this guy was funny.
I am a law-abiding white man, and I try to avoid any and all interaction with law enforcement.
I’m living proof white privilege doesn’t exist.
I’ve been arrested for doing nothing wrong.
Neighbors called the cops because my housemate and his girlfriend were fighting.
The police came to my house. I didn’t let them into my house.
They came into my house, anyway They said I had been doing drugs just by looking at me.
I denied it. I hadn’t been doing drugs.
They arrested me because they said my eyes were dilated.
I was taken to jail, booked and given a drug test. Spent the night in jail.
When my case came up at arraignment, I didn’t set any dates or make any plea because I wanted the drug test to come back first.
Eventually the prosecutor dropped the case when the drug test came back negative. They had no case and no evidence.
And then you have to go through the process of getting the record expunged for doing nothing wrong.
The police are not trustowrthy people.
I have even worst stories at the federal level.
I have had my liberty taken away on multiple occasions for no reason.
White privilege doesn’t exist and we don’t live in a free society.
Anybody who votes to increase the size of the government and its police powers is a bloody fool.
This is intentional. Smarter people are more likely to question bad orders. For this reason, many police departments will not hire anyone with a college degree.
the RCMP dont want anyone with an IQ over 113…I assume other law enforcements agencies have similar thresholds
Now, let you detain someone and hold them against their will for no reason. See how fast a kidnapping charge is slapped on you.
Yeah if you’re gonna do that, ya gotta have the Majik Costume.
cause merica…
Of course they gave you attitude. You just reported a crime they have no intention of solving, and it’s going to make the department look bad.
I was arrested last year for walking my dog without a leash sort of. The cop was on foot and wasn’t even dressed as a cop. I thought that he was a security guard at first. This happened in a neighborhood with $5 million dollar houses next to where I was walking. He asked me for my ID while I was walking. I asked if he suspected me of committing a crime and said I’ll ask you one more time or you’re going to jail. I laughed and he slammed me to the ground breaking my eyeglasses and damaging my Rolex. I am a middle aged white upper middle class male with no record. I was taken to jail with one charge only. Resisting arrest without violence. How can this be a stand alone charge? Arrest for what? Doesn’t matter, it’s the JUST- us system and this crazy charge is totally legal. The worse part is while at the county jail, I was asked 12 times by different government employees for my social security number. They said said I will get out faster if I give it. One week later I had criminals all over the USA opening credit cards with 20k limits in my name using my SS#. So not only are the cops corrupt, the jail employees are as well. I have never had identity theft before. So then I had to spend 2k on a lawyer for this 3rd degree misdemeanor bs charge. We go before the c**t judge and my lawyer says look, you give the owner a citation for walking the dog off leash or you impound the dog, you don’t arrest the owner. She disagrees and sets a trial date for August of last year. The day before the trial, the inept prosecutor drops all charges. Some system we have. All about money now and nothing else.
Police are one end of the law as this officer stated. Just one. You have legislation hailing from the federal level on down to the local level. Judges at each level, various forms and levels of counselors.
He just told you his job isn’t to give a shit about you, but rather, to generate arrests to bring people before the courts. And what do the courts do? They collect money, levy fines, throw people in jail which feeds the system. It’s about money guys, that’s it. Granted the system sucks, I mean shit, any guy ass raped in divorce court, family courts, et al knows the truths in what I’m saying here and how “unlawful” cough, cough I mean immoral they are.
Some people arrested are actually criminals, many others are made to stumble over their words during manipulative techniques like the Reid Interrogation Technique and Gerbil Voodoo as he stated himself, to again, create arrests and ultimately collect money. Don’t forget the tone here folks, whether he’s proud of it himself or not. It’s about “arrest generation” masked in the guise of protecting the public from themselves…. wait.. hmmm ?
Officer, to quote you: “The Miranda warning was written to let stupid people know that the only reason the cops are talking to you is that they do not yet have enough probably cause to arrest you.” <<, Calling people stupid, then misspelling “probable cause” as “probably cause” doesn’t help your message here. LOL. Seriously.
Those that know law at the level of a judge, know exactly how to navigate the police interaction process, many semi-seasoned lawyers do too. Law, like computer programming, is “supposed” to be – and in large part still – based on LOGIC. LSATs.. right lawyers? If you’re more logical than cop, with proper compliance, you can most definitely get your own ass out of a sling or avoid it altogether, and in court. For God’s sake don’t walk around afraid of the fucking police because of this article.
While policing is the front-end of administering the law, actually “code,” or “codified law” to be more accurate, just like medicine, this is a “practicing” field, i.e.; law practice, medical practice. Lawyers are thus, “practicing” law. They’re interpreting statutes, and sometimes case-law.
Trained killer: The guy from Ohio who just plowed through 20 people in Charlottesville had 4 months in the military. Does that make him a trained killer? With a car? Whose dreaming of ways to spill peoples guts all over the place a blood-lustful fashion? Maybe so. Who cares, he’s a power faggot. Time for him to go. We’re all trained killers, just to more or lesser extents. 99.9999% of us choose to not kill, self preserve, and preserve those around us. Some of us hone killing skills for self-preservation. Others join the police force or military for various reasons. Some join for: paychecks, to actually help people, for adventure, pay for school, fulfill a latent psychological issue or work though it, brotherhood, or cruise through life doing what seems right to them, situationally aware, and on-guard. The police exist, because we pay them through aggregate voted decisions to have them around, just like the military. It’s probably best both exist, but don’t underestimate the scamming nature of a group of individuals who enforce codified law upon the public that is hundreds of thousands of pages, no man on the planet could ever, nor will ever know, so complicated in fact it’s a “practicing” field when you, the citizen are the ONLY target that is expected to know ALL the laws, yet at any time can and will be forcefully steered towards conviction (at a rate of 90% of the time if I read the article correctly).
A better title for the article may have been: What to Do When the Cops Show Up: From Inside the Mental Depths of the Police State.
With the way the cops acted in Charlottesville, the best advice is don’t trust them. They are your enemy that will kill you for being a white conservative. They’ll get theirs from the liberal crazies they protect and give free reign to destroy, and then the 47% can turn their backs on them if and when they come crawling back.
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will u suggest this if it was a female cop?
Bullshit article with some shit advice. Case in point: “Correct response: silently hand him your license.” LOL. Now that’s great advice from a squared-away, Masonic, tattooed, cock-sucking cop!
In point of fact, 7 of the 8 times I’ve been pulled over for “speeding” over the last 5 years I’ve been let go without a ticket because of the following strategy: never consent to be given a ticket by admission of guilt (and silence is considered consent). Instead, answer every question with an indignant question. Here’s the typical sequence I use, regardless of what the cop is asking me or saying to me:
1) Officer why are you endangering our lives by pulling me over?
2) Why are you claiming I’ve done something I haven’t?
3) Will you show me the proof of your claims?
4) Is it possible you’re mistaken?
5) Is it possible your equipment is faulty?
6) When is the last time your equipment was tested for accuracy? Do you have proof of such test results?
7) Am I free to go? Are you detaining me? Then am I free to go?
If handing over your license at any stage, say that doing so is not an admission of guilt but simply a courtesy because you have nothing to hide.
I can see where this approach would work, depending on the particular police officer. An experienced officer with some court room time under his belt will recognize these questions as the same ones that are likely to beat the ticket in court. So writing the ticket will be a waste of time.
This approach didn’t work for me where I was originally from in Virginia. I was dealing with rural racist cops that were going to ticket my “cracker ass” no matter what. Second of all, they were literally shocked when I showed up in court. One even asked me what I was doing there. I told him I came to beat his ticket. He said “We’ll see about that.” He was obviously pissed when the judge threw it out. I beat two frivolous reckless driving tickets and an expired county sticker in less than five years. It was so obvious I was “guilty” of being white I moved away.
I now live in rural Missouri and the only interactions I have had with the police have been positive. The only major difference seems to be demographic. Imagine that…
White privilege.
I hope you dumped that bitch. She will get you in jail.
Other then stay as silent as possible this article is really full of crap.
Yes you have the right to remain silent. You can do so and decline to answer a cop’s questions. In some circumstances this is the best tactic by far. For instance, if you just shot someone in self defense while legally carrying shut your mouth until you can talk to a lawyer. Other times though it is best to gauge the “politics” of the situation.
Around where I live, the cops care about three things: drunks, drugs, and guns. They use traffic stops as a pretext to find all three. If you are a white guy though driving home from a late night in the office and just happen to run a yellow to red and get pulled over chances are just explaining you are coming from the office, may be a little tired, and need to get home is going to result in the cop letting you go with a verbal warning. Being a dick and to the cop is going to just get you “contempt of cop” treatment, definitely a ticket, and possibly arrested (in most states even simple moving violations are arrest eligible just most of the time police will issue tickets instead of placing you under arrest).
Now when it comes to searches that is a little bit different. You should never consent to a search. If a cop searches your car and finds something illegal consenting is not going to make it easier on you in 99% of circumstances. By consenting you are also removing almost any chance your lawyer will have to suppress the evidence if it was going to be an illegal search.
Also, should you resist the police? Generally that is a very bad idea. However, one exception that is recognized in almost every state is if police are using unreasonable force against you. That means if you are on a rural road and the cop starts beating you for no reason you are allowed to use reasonable force to defend yourself. You don’t just have to lie down and let some rage fueled cop go to town on you. Beware though even if you are justified proving it is going to be hard and you are most likely going to have to do so in a full blown trial unless there is evidence like rock solid video. But balance that against sustaining injuries that can reduce your quality of life for years or decades.
Finally, most cops are poorly trained. Fat and out of shape. They are not the “ninjas” this captain cop boy wants you to believe. Most have no idea about the law. They only shoot when required to in order to maintain certification. And their hand on hand training is usually just basic grappling techniques. A lot have power issues or are mentally ill, but especially the mentally ill ones won’t say anything since seeking treatment usually means a leave of absence at a minimum. When dealing with a cop assume they are the equivalent of a high school educated bully whose last glory day was his senior year. Do that and any interaction you have will end up just fine.
This confirms what my ex said about America being a police state.
Yep. Welcome to the USSA.
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Eat shit, you glorified welfare recipient. Most cops these days are little bitches that pull out their guns and call for backup because they don’t want the least bit of harm coming to them. You’re all a bunch of cowards who are too lazy to pick up a shovel and too dumb for school.
The tone of tbis article tells you everything you need to know about cops. “I am thinking of fifty ways to kill you” or whatever the hell you said. Do you think you are in Delta Force or something?
“I am a trained killer.” No you are not, and if you think you are you need to stop being a police officer and join the military. That is the worst mentaility you can have as a cop. What you are is a civil servant working to serve and protect people, not to be their sheepdogs.
Most cops, whether they think so or not, are not “trained killers.” Your typical policeman is thirty pounds overweight and lacks situational awareness. I have also met and seen cops a lot bigger than that even on SWAT. Put any of those guys in a situation where they can’t call for back up and they’re in real trouble. That does not mean you should fight one, what it means is that cops should start thinking before they start saying what “elite” cadre they are. Trust me, they are not.
Here is an idea of how “elite” cops are. Michael Brown, a 300 to 400 lbs fat ass who would probably have had a heart attack if he had tried to jog ten meters, nearly killed one.
I do agree with the sentiment in this article that cops are not your friends. After Charlotesville that assumption has been confirmed as fact.
I’m a bail bondsman. I have been dealing with cops on a daily basis for years. You are right. Most of these walking sacks of donuts can’t do shit on their own. They have to have a baton, a taser, and twelve of their friends. There are some tough badasses on police forces, but they aren’t the average cop, and there aren’t many of them.
This cop obviously does not know what tyranny is or that police commit it all the time. And yes I do have the right and duty to resist it. See John Bad Elk v US. I am not your slave you ass. And I have talked my way out of things with cops and have been very bold and firm when I did it. You sound as if you served in a combat zone and failed to retrain for civilian LE. If all you care about is making arrests and using no discretion or perception then you are the worst kind of cop we need to be rid of.
Discretion is key for any good cop
N.A.C.A.L.T
Yeah, okay. I’ve heard this before, done it before, and still have not seen a charge from several Imperial entanglements.
Just like NAWALT. Just because they won’t destroy your life, doesn’t mean they CAN’T. It’s the fact that they can with impunity that’s the problem.
– Don’t resist.
– Say NOTHING!
– Wait for the lawyer.
Some cops are the salt of the earth, and some are petty, power-crazed mini-Hitlers. Since you have no way of knowing which the person in front of you is: play it safe.
Salt of the earth here. When I come into contact with decent folk, we end up bullshitting, joking, and saying we should grab a beer sometime
Most sheeple still won’t believe this is how they should respond, and will be confident they can chum it up with those wearing badges. They will get what they deserve, just on the principle of sheer stupidity.
Ask them how their families are doing. And that you liked their wife’s dinner the last time you were there.
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Really, I thought getting to know all the local cops was rule #1 in a new town? 🙂
Note: While this did work for my time in the US, maybe things are -that- bad now after all.
Yes. The days of Andy Griffith are long gone.
Todays cops , are 1 of the reasons we were given the 2nd Amendment. You so – called officers of the peace, need to ask your self , who, and what you serve. Your Creator , and the Constitution; or your Department Policy, to enforce unconstitutional laws. Most of you don’t even live in the communities you patrol. If a large protest , by the left ,and the right ; gathered in front of a nuclear arms facility ; you would shut it down , and let people continue to build weapons to kill all of us. You cops are as untrustworthy as any human out there. I don’t trust any one , who will protect people like Soros and the Nazi protectors like the FBI, and CIA.. If you cant tell , I don’t like most cops. I have served with some good ones, Great People , close friends. but they are cops 1st and people 2nd ; in todays Law enforcement. It is the job and the failed authority by big brother Cop I distain; not the human being trying to do a Job.
When they use a gold star and a faggoty costume as a method to inflict violence on people for any immoral and unethical reason under the sun, simply because some parasitic politician wrote words on paper ordering him or her to do so, they are no longer human beings at that point. They are the literal pigs their reputation deserves.
My motto is treat them with respect.
God bless america, land of the free…LOL
Trained killer, give me a f-ckin break. This guy has some issues
“have a plan to kill everyone you meet”
Just what I expect from pigs. May you burn in hell, soon, as you so richly deserve.
Or, “wow, that’s terrible, thanks for letting us know that the police aren’t our friends”
You’re missing a couple points but not bad. If you know the officer talking may well be on the table. Another point is not just looking for pc. Everybody except your great grandma probably has pc to be arrested. You’re also looking for someone and something the prosecutor will want to see cross his desk.
If you live in a small town and you know the cops on good terms talking isn’t off the table. My wife of thirty five years has never received a ticket.
I’ll freely admit the world has changed and not for the better. The days when a cop had everyone for a friend or they would let a kid a few months shy of his license slide if he was driving to work are gone. It’s too bad because it’s all part and parcel of living in a low trust society.
They are part and parcel responsible for a huge component of creating a low trust society.
Who cops? You have cause and effect exactly backwards if that is what you mean. A mixed society with tens of millions streaming in from low trust societies is what has caused this problem. The demonization of legitimate neighborhood authority has accelerated the problem.
I lived through the sixties I know what came first and why.
Ice Cube said “Fuck the police!”. HE got pretty far in life 🙂
“You are facing a trained killer who got into the profession because he has a capacity for violence and has a desire to use it for the good of society.”
But it is obvious that it is not the good of society they serve. Their job is to follow orders. They are not the moral paragons, protectors of the weak and frail. They are attack dogs for the establishment. George Soros has a problem with you? He sends his dogs. The globalists want to silence the dissidents? They order the police to ignore Antifags and arrest any wrongthinkers who are defending themselves. There is nothing noble about being a lapdog.
And not all humans are pathetic sheep who need a strongman in a uniform to protect them. But they still get the sheep dog, biting those who dare to want to move away from the flock.
Thumbs up on the motto.
The only rules that matter are playing to the cops ego, telling him what he wants to hear and then presenting an image he is sympathetic to. Most people think this is the same as being cocky and arrogant. I don’t care how much training you have, most people are human and joined for some reason other than being a psycho. Human tendencies show in their racial profiling. Almost everyone relies on heuristics because the alternative is too mentally demanding. And everyone rationalizes that these weaknesses of their’s do not exist. Ironically, the thing that other people damned themselves with you doing you are also ironically guilty of, as you spell out with your absolute certainty you can see through everyone (something I’ve heard a lot of criminals say and sometimes act on to hilarious effect). Going so far as to think about how you are going to kill everyone you come across reinforces this; you think there is a set of solutions to everything, when really you only got 90% of it figured out. A funny example of this is how so many people use hard drugs because they pass out of your system faster than weed, making it easier to pass drug tests.
For example, appearing nervous when you aren’t and then playing dork. Keep a pair of glasses where the cop will not be able to see you reaching for them as you are pulled over. Stutter a little bit. Most cops will let you off. Worst case scenario is diversion. Best time of my life was talking about how stupid the cop was as I drove away when I was younger. Once got pulled over going 120 mph, with what would have ended my life in the car. Didn’t even get a ticket, and the car smelled of the flower of youth too, haha.
If you come across one who enjoys hurting others there is no card you can play. Best to just avoid.
Police depts around the U.S. have become increasingly Militarized, more likely to violate to Citizen’s rights and are generally more likely to react with disproportionate force. This is directly attributable to depts training in Israel – where a war footing, seige mentality is indoctrinated into them. Hundreds of depts from Florida, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, California, Arizona, Connecticut, New York, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Georgia, Washington state as well as the DC Capitol police have all traveled to Israel for training. Thousands of others have received training from Israeli officials in the U.S. Here is an example that even the most dedicated police groupie would have to acknowledge is outrageous: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwytoxMuk4U
He had knives, the proper response is bullets…
Always a bad idea to hold weapons when the cops arrive
Cold blooded murder plain and simple. They shot the guy right in the
back as he was turning around to lay on the ground. Not to mention he
was picking up his stuff and coming down off the mountain.
Legit lol @ the average cop being in the same universe as a professional MMA fighter in unarmed combat.
Wow. The guy who wrote this sounds like a fear-mongering tool.
Videotape every cop that you see and fight each and every ticket that you receive in court. Do your part to break the system quietly and politely. Only victims drive without a radar detector and a visor or rear-view mirror camera.
Got to be kidding me. I think the writer is white. Nobody cared to post this until the white lady got shot by a cop. or when that white teenager got tased by white cops. now its time to be careful huh ????
Guy I worked with had a case where a 17 yr old slut got caught sneaking back in the house by her asshole dad. She panicked and accused her 18 year old boyfriend of rape. Dad insisted something be done. Cop arrested boyfriend for actual rape, not even stat rape, and booked him in, knowing it was bullshit. I said why did you do that, you could have just written paper, and let the dicks and the DA sort it out.
His answer: Well, I got a felony stat, and they wont file charges anyway, so he will be out in a couple days. He’ll be OK.
It was the kids first lay, too. That mentality, unfortunately, was not uncommon amongst cops I worked with.
” He runs through scenarios in his head all day long, pre-planning how he will kill you when the time comes. He is way readier than you”
Of this I am sure of.
Only good cop is a dead one. Wise words I heard decades ago, and it still serves me well.
Sometimes, you do have to talk to them. Just sayin’ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_identify_statutes
My friend got robbed and beaten up last month. When he went to the police they did nothing.
The hell with the pigs.
This is exactly why cops are perceived as threats to society worthy of being hung rather than respectable civil servants. Their purpose has been denigrated to being nothing more than corporate mercenaries.
My only beef with “cops” is that based on today’s “secular society” in which we live, there shouldn’t be any cops. Meaning, ever since laws were put into place to oppress men and benefit females, no man should EVER seek employment as a cop to uphold and defend laws we all know flat out have their origins from marxism. Just as nobody should ever join the military to defend a country that supports abortion, affirmative action, welfare, EEO, gay marriage, etc. But yet the dumb white idiots will go and enlist in the military to “fight for your freedom” or they’ll go become a cop so that can respond to some “domestic violence” call and put some poor guy in handcuffs because his wife emotionally abuses him and pushed him too far.
The elites CANNOT impose their agenda without a military or police to do so. I blame the military and police every bit as much as the elites such as Soros for pushing marxism on western civilization. Once a country is hi-jacked and marxist anti-christian polices are put into place, every man should refuse to defend such policies. But they do. They’ll go join the military or police for that paycheck and have no problem either killing or arresting members of their own species based on marxist satanic laws and agendas.
There needs to be a new push to make it publicly shameful to be a cop or be in the military. Women should refuse to date cops or military. Thats’ all it would take to put an end to this system really. If women flat out refused to have anything to do with cops or military, then very few men would ever join either. Then, the whole NWO would fall. Gee, imagine that. This world is full of nothing but mindless drones.